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L2[00:02:16] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L3[00:02:16] <MichiBot> Yay! Compan​ionCube! You beat your own previous record of 4 hours, 52 minutes and 21 seconds (By 9 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L4[00:02:17] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.30031, Position #2 Need 0.10099 more points to pass Va​ur!
L5[00:06:02] <Michiyo> ben_mkiv, WTF do I need to do to add camo to a block?
L6[00:08:56] <ben_mkiv> yes
L7[00:09:07] <Michiyo> I switched to extending BlockCamo, changed the constructor, changed the register in ContentRegistry, and added the facing stuff to the blockstate json
L8[00:09:10] <Michiyo> and I crash on placing
L9[00:09:11] <Michiyo> Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot set property PropertyDirection{name=facing, clazz=class net.minecraft.util.EnumFacing, values=[north, south, west, east]} as it does not exist in BlockStateContainer{block=opensecurity:mag_reader, properties=[variant]}
L10[00:13:58] <ben_mkiv> well... i dont really recall everything in detail
L11[00:14:06] <ben_mkiv> but did you check if the blockstate json is fine?
L12[00:14:30] <ben_mkiv> honestly i dont know why theres facing in the blockstate at all...
L13[00:14:37] <ben_mkiv> *in the camo stuff
L14[00:14:45] <Michiyo> Nor do I, but it was crashing because of it.. lol
L15[00:15:10] <Michiyo> The block state *was* unchanged, and this was working. I copied the facing stuff out of the door controller to confirm and it still crashes
L16[00:16:13] <Michiyo> haaaang on... if this was it I'm going to stab someone
L17[00:16:29] <ben_mkiv> welcome to modded minecraft
L18[00:16:45] <Michiyo> please wait 30 minutes for a 2 mod MC instance to load.
L19[00:17:24] <Michiyo> nope, still crashes >_>
L20[00:18:29] <Michiyo> https://paste.pc-logix.com/jaguhonuza.sql
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L22[00:19:12] <Amanda> Well there's your problem, you're using SQL instead of java
L23[00:19:14] * Amanda flees
L24[00:19:15] <Michiyo> https://paste.pc-logix.com/menotufoyi.json the blockstate for mag_reader
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L26[00:19:19] <ben_mkiv> you also added the necessary stuff in the tileentity?
L27[00:19:21] <Michiyo> lmao Amanda
L28[00:19:28] <Michiyo> the what.
L29[00:19:35] <ben_mkiv> yes
L30[00:19:48] <ben_mkiv> the mimic block is stored on the tileentity iirc
L31[00:20:09] <Michiyo> TileEntityOSCamoBase
L32[00:20:15] <ben_mkiv> yea
L33[00:20:16] <Michiyo> OH, I need to swap the OS to extent that..
L34[00:20:21] <Michiyo> err
L35[00:20:23] <Michiyo> TE
L36[00:20:24] <Michiyo> ffs
L37[00:20:55] <Michiyo> I was looking at the DC TE like... I don't SEE anything special
L38[00:21:01] <Michiyo> then I noticed the other extend lol
L39[00:22:07] <Michiyo> "Lewed with two dudes with food!"
L40[00:22:09] <Michiyo> Thanks Minecraft
L41[00:22:13] <Michiyo> I can't type, nor spell
L42[00:22:18] <Michiyo> so blergh
L43[00:22:21] <ben_mkiv> but that might be not related, but might have been the next trouble you ran into
L44[00:22:28] <Michiyo> LOL
L45[00:22:32] <Michiyo> Great timing
L46[00:22:33] <ben_mkiv> is it crashing when you place the magreader, or when you apply camo?
L47[00:22:38] <Michiyo> as it crashed as you said that
L48[00:22:41] <Michiyo> on place
L49[00:23:18] <Michiyo> Hmm
L50[00:23:27] <Michiyo> I wonder if it's because the MagReader does `public enum EnumType implements IVariant`
L51[00:23:36] <Michiyo> for the texture changes on action
L52[00:23:51] <Michiyo> cause I don't override on placed or anything
L53[00:24:20] <ben_mkiv> ah wait
L54[00:24:24] <ben_mkiv> you really do it on the mag reader
L55[00:24:32] <ben_mkiv> it's probably somehow conflicting
L56[00:24:53] <ben_mkiv> as the magreader has different blockstates where it changes it appearance, like when activated and such
L57[00:25:15] <Michiyo> yeah, idle, active, success, and error
L58[00:25:48] <ben_mkiv> are you running inside of dev environment with breakpoints?
L59[00:25:50] <Michiyo> gonna build without that and see if it works
L60[00:25:52] <Michiyo> LOL
L61[00:26:00] <ben_mkiv> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenSecurity/blob/3bc111a9a8138a5fbecfc90c0b52e3b9a8b3cd56/src/main/java/pcl/opensecurity/common/blocks/BlockMagReader.java#L97
L62[00:26:03] <Michiyo> no. because fucking dependency hell
L63[00:26:05] <ben_mkiv> this may cause trouble
L64[00:26:18] <ben_mkiv> add a print before and after that setBlockState() call then
L65[00:26:21] <Michiyo> it tells me it's missing deps, I add them and then it tells me it has duplicate deps...
L66[00:27:32] <Michiyo> Eclipse tells me it can't do some shit with gradle 4.1 and that other stuff is broken
L67[00:27:41] <Michiyo> and Idea lets me actually WORK on the project, but I can't launch it
L68[00:27:49] <Michiyo> so I build, then copy to MC and launch
L69[00:28:09] <ben_mkiv> yea but thats pretty sure the issue
L70[00:28:45] <Michiyo> System.out.println("hdjsfg[oohzdrg");
L71[00:28:45] <Michiyo> worldIn.setBlockState(pos, state.withProperty(VARIANT, EnumType.IDLE));
L72[00:28:45] <Michiyo> System.out.println("hdjsfg[oohzdrg x2!");
L73[00:28:46] <Michiyo> lol
L74[00:28:58] <ben_mkiv> yea no, it'll probably already crash onBlockPlaced
L75[00:29:04] <Michiyo> ok, launching
L76[00:29:29] <ben_mkiv> where it tries to write the facing in the variant field of the blockstate, which isnt compatible
L77[00:29:43] <ben_mkiv> have fun figuring that one out... xD
L78[00:29:53] <ben_mkiv> as i dont know if or how you could work around that
L79[00:30:36] <Michiyo> yeah it never prints that.
L80[00:30:42] <Michiyo> I'm just not sure why it NEEDS a facing lol
L81[00:31:56] <ben_mkiv> maybe to render the mimic block with the correct facing
L82[00:32:48] <ben_mkiv> or because i had facing in some block which extends camo, and instead of figuring out the issue that you have now, i just put the property on the camostuff xD
L83[00:32:57] <Michiyo> lmfao
L84[00:33:13] <Michiyo> I just yanked out all of the IVariant shit out to see if it works
L85[00:34:08] <Michiyo> Yep, now I just need to include the on activated to camo it.
L86[00:34:21] <Michiyo> Honestly meh on losing the lights... it makes me sad, but I want to camo this damn block
L87[00:34:21] <Michiyo> lol
L88[00:34:38] <Michiyo> Or... maybe I could add another block that strictly allows camo ing.
L89[00:34:42] <Michiyo> hmmmmmmmm
L90[00:37:18] <ben_mkiv> wait
L91[00:39:24] <ben_mkiv> well, theres probably ways around it, but i can't tell you for sure
L92[00:39:34] * Michiyo shrugs
L93[00:40:03] <ben_mkiv> what you would have to do is replace pretty much anything which uses blockstate in the magreader to get the blockstate from the super (occamo) class, and then add the variant stuff to it
L94[00:40:24] <ben_mkiv> so that it ends up with a blockstate which has the camo properties and the variant property from the magreader
L95[00:40:57] <Michiyo> That sounds like WAY to much work to hide a mag reader beside my frame door.
L96[00:40:58] <Michiyo> :P
L97[00:41:59] <ben_mkiv> beside the fact that you could just use an RFID reader which is hidden or a card/upgrade in a µC
L98[00:42:10] <ben_mkiv> xD
L99[00:42:28] <Michiyo> Eh, I don't want it to open because I walk close though
L100[00:42:41] <Michiyo> other than that, fair point.
L101[00:42:42] <Michiyo> :P
L102[00:42:50] <ben_mkiv> add a button an only scan on redstone signal
L103[00:42:53] <ben_mkiv> and*
L104[00:43:24] <ben_mkiv> µC needs some smarthome stuff with wireless buttons :P
L105[00:43:30] <ben_mkiv> rather add that xD
L106[00:45:06] <Amanda> %choose en or jp
L107[00:45:06] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Out of these two choices? I'd say "jp".
L108[00:45:38] <Amanda> Elfi~ you can't just go casting a resurrection spell on an entire town! You'll use up all your mana and pass out~
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L121[02:53:59] <Michiyo> @Forecaster https://ci.pc-logix.com/job/OpenCargo/13/ build that SHOULD drop the inventory contents on break
L122[03:26:05] * Amanda curls up around Elfi, draping her tail over her to use as a blanket
L123[03:26:10] <Amanda> Night nerds
L124[03:29:08] * Elfi curls up with, wingblankets, zzz
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L128[05:09:47] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L129[05:09:48] <MichiBot> Holy extremely short fork Batman! Compan​ionCube! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 5 hours, 7 minutes and 31 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L130[05:09:49] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 5 hours, 7 minutes and 31 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00513)
L131[05:10:06] <CompanionCube> Izaya: https://www.devever.net/~hl/omi
L132[05:11:09] <CompanionCube> %inv add malicious RAM
L133[05:11:09] * MichiBot summons 'malicious RAM' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L134[05:13:19] <CompanionCube> also probably Skye / ThePiGuy
L135[05:14:42] <Izaya> CompanionCube: the idea of serially attached RAM is interesting though
L136[05:15:05] <Izaya> makes me wonder if it'll be practical to build open hardware RAM
L137[05:15:18] <CompanionCube> sucks about POWER10 though
L138[05:19:46] <Ariri> Maybe we could actually download our own RAM soon :P
L139[05:20:39] <Ariri> The design, that is
L140[05:35:06] <Ariri> Izaya, https://youtu.be/Dru9_wk9fWY
L141[05:35:07] <MichiBot> HCS Celestis MK.3 [750m length cargo ship, NO MODS] | length: 2m 1s | Likes: 10 Dislikes: 0 Views: 86 | by Jan Altherr Music | Published On 28/8/2020
L142[05:36:40] <Izaya> I always get unreasonably annoyed with SE stuff because sci-fi style designs always work better
L143[05:36:46] <Izaya> and what I want is rockets
L144[05:36:59] <Izaya> I like that bridge though.
L145[05:37:21] <Izaya> A shame the camera plugin is so crashy, having windows on the bridge really seems wrong to me.
L146[05:38:40] <Ariri> Yeah, and saying 'activate viewscreen' is cooler
L147[05:39:23] <Izaya> the bridge belongs in the middle of your rough cube
L148[05:39:52] <Ariri> Yes
L149[05:40:04] <Izaya> next time I do a SE server I'm disabling ion engines and adding that thruster rotation mod
L150[05:40:41] <Ariri> F-302s inbound
L151[05:42:07] <Izaya> going to strongly encourage water-based economies and rocket designs
L152[05:42:08] <Izaya> B)
L153[05:43:04] <Ariri> Reminds me of that first episode in Voyager
L154[05:43:15] <Izaya> also, being stingy with fuel
L155[05:43:41] <Izaya> accelerate up to speed in the direction you want to go and then wait
L156[05:43:56] <Elfi> What'll really happen: ships designed to succ hydrogen from derelicts
L157[05:44:03] <Izaya> yees
L158[05:44:12] <Izaya> might try a higher speed limit mod too
L159[05:44:25] <Izaya> 1km/s is low in the grand scheme of things
L160[05:44:38] <Izaya> teleporting through asteroids isn't reliable enough to exploit I reckon
L161[05:44:47] <Ariri> escape velocity or bust
L162[05:45:07] <Izaya> make it practical to travel without a jump drive
L163[05:48:38] <Ariri> Random thought: for an objective/speed-driven world, you could have something like a mycelial spore planet to power a spore drive-like propulsion method
L164[05:49:02] <Elfi> Mushoom
L165[05:49:05] <Ariri> Whoever can reach the surface first and develop the technology can instantly transport anywhere
L166[05:49:14] <Ariri> Yis, mushoom highway
L167[05:49:29] <CompanionCube> mushroom mushroom!
L168[05:49:33] <Elfi> Mushnyoom
L169[05:50:08] * Ariri nods
L170[05:52:00] <Izaya> I wonder if they fixed laser teansceivers yet
L171[05:58:58] <Ar​iri> https://www.polygon.com/features/2021/2/4/22264605/elite-dangerous-newbies-trapped-forced-labor
L172[06:08:17] <Izaya> heard about that
L173[06:08:19] <Izaya> lmao
L174[06:14:17] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: hey guess what i had an idea for
L175[06:14:21] <bad at​ vijya> homebrew computer time again
L176[06:14:33] * Izaya whispers "TMS9900"
L177[06:15:25] <bad at​ vijya> no
L178[06:15:32] <bad at​ vijya> that's too sane
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L181[06:39:10] <Sagh​etti> the saga is finally over https://tinyurl.com/y4enwfyb
L182[06:39:12] <Sagh​etti> and it only took 11 hours
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L184[07:32:09] <Ariri> %choose MC or KSP
L185[07:32:10] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: I sense some "KSP" in your future!
L186[07:33:29] <Ariri> %8ball are you sure about that right now?
L187[07:33:29] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: Signs point to yes
L188[07:33:52] <Ariri> ok ma'am
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L190[08:10:20] <minas_tirith> It must feel so cool to walk the lands where our great ancestors once lived, to see the remains of their settlements, etc
L191[08:39:46] <Ar​iri> Izaya, https://youtu.be/UxwTIJ03f2g
L192[08:39:47] <MichiBot> Godzilla - Eminem vs Emilia - Long ver. | length: 1m 5s | Likes: 25,065 Dislikes: 362 Views: 323,078 | by sosakubito | Published On 28/11/2020
L193[08:53:12] <minas_tirith> The first man who rubbed two sticks together and made fire
L194[08:53:27] <minas_tirith> The first men to band together and build walls around their village
L195[08:53:33] <minas_tirith> To tame the wilderness
L196[09:11:43] <ThePi​Guy24> bah why does the windows font rendering make me want to forcibly remove my eyes
L197[09:14:53] <Izaya> heh
L198[09:15:06] <Izaya> burning fuel to figure out how much I need
L199[09:15:17] <Izaya> went and made a drink, still half full
L200[09:15:32] <Izaya> 2 minutes burn left
L201[09:17:01] <Izaya> turns out I need twice as much oxidiser as I'm packing
L202[09:17:02] <Izaya> what a pain
L203[09:25:01] <minas_tirith> Alcohol is fuel
L204[09:25:17] <minas_tirith> Izaya, you didn't answer my question yesterday
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L208[09:52:07] <Izaya> yup
L209[09:55:40] <minas_tirith> Izaya, "do you play guitar"
L210[09:57:20] <Izaya> Behold, the MunTick MkI, the first part of hypothetical a hypothetical Mun base for resource extraction purposes. https://social.shadowkat.net/media/e555994d3b8e40665e8859135bff186939f678d55361e90d679d3642fbb71483.jpg
L211[09:59:03] <Izaya> Has a kerbin TWR of "ha, no" and a Mun TWR of 1.4 or so. Should be suitable for landing.
L212[09:59:39] <Izaya> Might see how little fuel I can put in it to land it.
L213[10:35:13] <Forec​aster> @Michiyo nope
L214[11:12:14] <ThePi​Guy24> aaa why is there very little good documentation (atleast what i can find) regarding forge modding
L215[11:14:37] <Forec​aster> writing docs is a lot of works
L216[11:14:41] <Forec​aster> writing docs is a lot of work [Edited]
L217[11:22:27] <B​ob> forge modding 🥸
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L220[12:05:43] <Forec​aster> I just now realised that the particle collider can make deuterium more efficiently than fractionators...
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L224[12:41:38] <Forec​aster> almost unlocked antimatter fuel rods!
L225[12:41:40] <Forec​aster> woo
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L229[13:12:13] <bauen1> %tonk
L230[13:12:14] <MichiBot> Dagnammit! bau​en1! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of 5 hours, 7 minutes and 31 seconds (By 2 hours, 54 minutes and 53 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L231[13:12:15] <MichiBot> bauen1's new record is 8 hours, 2 minutes and 25 seconds! bauen1 also gained 0.01746 (0.00291 x 6) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #5. Need 0.09979 more points to pass ThePi​Guy24!
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L233[13:14:48] <minas_tirith> %sip
L234[13:14:49] <MichiBot> You drink a sweet diamond potion (New!). minas_tirith loses exactly a handful of luck.
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L236[13:26:37] <Forec​aster> ah shoot
L237[13:27:01] <Forec​aster> I can't use the antimatter fuel rods to generate power outside of the icarus yet
L238[13:27:11] <Forec​aster> I guess I need the artificial star generator for that
L239[13:33:21] <minas_tirith> Are there mosquitoes in space?
L240[13:33:40] <Teris> Only when summoned through the dark and ancient arts
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L243[13:41:00] <Forec​aster> hm...
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L245[13:41:22] <Forec​aster> is there a way to tell if a modem_message event is from a linked card...
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L247[13:41:46] <M​GR> The port will equal 0
L248[13:42:55] <Forec​aster> ah right, that makes sense, and the port cannot be 0 with normal network cards
L249[13:43:14] <ThePi​Guy24> get the address of the linked card and compare it with the address the event came from
L250[13:43:22] <Forec​aster> oh, past me knew that already apparently,
L251[13:43:30] <Forec​aster> my relay code checks if the port is 0 already
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L253[14:21:21] <PC2> hi
L254[14:21:56] <minas_tirith> PC2, hello
L255[14:21:59] <Amanda> PC2: Don't PM random people
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L257[14:22:18] <minas_tirith> Hello gigel
L258[14:22:27] <gigel> hi
L259[14:22:41] <gigel> exit
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L261[14:22:49] <PC2> testing system
L262[14:23:25] <PC2> e
L263[14:23:42] <Teris> How is Amanda the one that always ends up getting unwanted messages?
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L265[14:24:09] <Amanda> Teris: probably because "hurr durr gurlz" and people thinking IRC mens Initiate Relationship Chat
L266[14:24:27] <minas_tirith> IRC is a dating app
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L268[14:24:57] <Te​ris> Ok
L269[14:25:04] <Amanda> I stopped going to several freenode channels just because I'd frequently get 2AM PMs from (usually indian) men going "hi\n I hrny"
L270[14:25:20] <Te​ris> That sounds really annoying
L271[14:25:32] <Inari> ohi
L272[14:25:35] <Amanda> The perils of an obviously-demme nick on IRC.
L273[14:25:41] <Amanda> femme*
L274[14:26:13] <stephan48> :/
L275[14:26:17] <Inari> Just install one of them scripts that don't allow pms unless permitted
L276[14:26:36] <stephan48> and here i thought irc was a telephonesystem... oh no thats discord
L277[14:26:54] <Te​ris> Yep
L278[14:26:56] <minas_tirith> The telephone is a bit quiet today
L279[14:27:11] <Te​ris> Go to Antarctica and start dialing
L280[14:28:35] <stephan48> ^ we ejected many of the people from the other side into space where they now live as mosquittos... since there where not that many in Antarctica to begin with its gone quiet over there
L281[14:29:28] <Amanda> Inari: why'd you let me go to another star system without bringing belts again!?
L282[14:29:42] <Te​ris> It's gone back to being dark and obscure again?
L283[14:29:55] <Inari> Amanda: rip?
L284[14:30:04] <minas_tirith> It is a dark and stormy night in Antarctica
L285[14:30:07] <stephan48> why did you miss your orion's belt again?
L286[14:30:53] <stephan48> https://www.geocam.ru/en/in/antarctica/ doesn't look like dark or stormy
L287[14:31:11] <Te​ris> None of those look like phone booths
L288[14:31:21] <Te​ris> I guess the trek got a little harder
L289[14:31:42] <minas_tirith> It shows a big dish
L290[14:31:48] <minas_tirith> That must be the telephones antenna
L291[14:31:58] <Te​ris> And yet there's no phone booth
L292[14:32:04] <Te​ris> You'll have to look harder minas
L293[14:33:01] <st​e48> yea, there should be one somewhere around there
L294[14:33:10] <st​e48> maybe on the underside?
L295[14:33:30] <Te​ris> Could be
L296[14:33:31] <stephan48> why is my alter ego talking via the phone?
L297[14:33:38] <minas_tirith> Yeah they must need something so they don't fall off the earth
L298[14:33:57] <minas_tirith> Since its the pole
L299[14:34:00] <stephan48> but isn't the earth flat to prevent this?
L300[14:34:01] <minas_tirith> the bottom pole
L301[14:34:10] <Inari> Hello, I'm a fox in socks
L302[14:34:15] <Te​ris> What obscure, ancient, and dark arts do they use?
L303[14:34:17] <minas_tirith> Inari, hewwo
L304[14:34:53] <Amanda> Man, I was hoping they'd have the machine upgrading in place befor eI had to do this
L305[14:35:06] <minas_tirith> The earth hides many dark secrets from aeons past
L306[14:35:14] <stephan48> which ones for example?
L307[14:35:15] <Te​ris> Oh goody
L308[14:35:17] <Te​ris> Tell them to us
L309[14:35:28] <stephan48> which upgrade?
L310[14:35:50] <minas_tirith> There were things before man walked the planet, and there will be things long after we are gone
L311[14:36:03] <Te​ris> Yes yes
L312[14:36:06] <Te​ris> But reveal them to us
L313[14:36:12] <Te​ris> We want to know the ancient arts
L314[14:36:43] <minas_tirith> Such matters are not good for mans sanity...let things that crawl underneath us, remain wherever they are
L315[14:36:56] <minas_tirith> Lest the walk the surfaces again and want to reclaim what was always theirs all along
L316[14:37:08] <Inari> I now kinda want forearm gloves, fingerless but with hand, and white with cute fox pawprints on the palms
L317[14:37:21] <minas_tirith> Inari, programmer socks are very nice
L318[14:37:21] <Te​ris> It's ok to say you don't know minas. We don't punish acknowledgements of that
L319[14:38:12] <Inari> minas_tirith: They are. And comfy. Though I generally prefer solid colour ones with just a single stripes on top
L320[14:38:27] <minas_tirith> Inari, you make a good point about those arm gloves
L321[14:38:33] <minas_tirith> I should probably purchase a pair too
L322[14:38:40] <Inari> Cool
L323[14:38:45] <Inari> tell me if you find any like I described
L324[14:38:45] <Inari> :p
L325[14:38:52] <stephan48> yea one of these dark arts might be called animals then
L326[14:39:10] <Te​ris> Could that be true?
L327[14:39:51] <minas_tirith> Socks are so cliche I forgot how many boys wear one of those arm gloves too
L328[14:40:09] <Te​ris> Socks are popularly worn because they tend to be useful
L329[14:40:22] <minas_tirith> Programmer socks are more decorative in nature
L330[14:40:36] <Inari> I mean
L331[14:40:42] <Te​ris> What's wrong with decoration?
L332[14:40:42] <Inari> 90% of the reason I wear socks is cause they cute at least xD
L333[14:41:17] <minas_tirith> Exactly
L334[14:46:11] <minas_tirith> Inari, have you heard of screening? If you get a blank arm band you could try printing it yourself
L335[14:46:34] <Inari> sounds like a pain
L336[14:47:17] <minas_tirith> Its an interesting art
L337[14:47:34] <Inari> Is that that kinda thing they use on t-shirt and causes a weird layer of print that peels off after 3 washes?
L338[14:48:14] <minas_tirith> A proper screen should be permanent
L339[14:48:32] <minas_tirith> And I think screen differs from just heat pressing a paper onto the shirt or whatever
L340[14:48:59] <minas_tirith> But I cannot say anything before trying out this obscure art myself
L341[14:49:33] <Te​ris> But how old is the art?
L342[14:49:46] <minas_tirith> Ancient
L343[14:49:49] <stephan48> was it there before humans arrived on this earth?
L344[14:49:50] <Inari> https://i.etsystatic.com/7732185/r/il/be3bd8/645639292/il_570xN.645639292_tjy8.jpg apparently there exists this on Etsy, but I was thinking of a variant with just cloth, not fur
L345[14:50:13] <minas_tirith> This seems part of someones fursuit
L346[14:50:21] <Te​ris> Will it be there after humans have left the earth?
L347[14:50:49] <minas_tirith> Our works, if they aren't also destroyed, will be there for posterity for anyone who walks this planet
L348[14:51:10] <minas_tirith> Inari, but yes I have seen many boys wear such arm bands
L349[14:51:19] <minas_tirith> And it was a good reminder for me to make/purchase one myself
L350[14:51:21] <stephan48> what if they destroy itselves?
L351[14:51:28] <Inari> minas_tirith: no girls?
L352[14:51:32] <stephan48> or decay?
L353[14:51:34] <minas_tirith> Some girls too
L354[14:51:37] <minas_tirith> But mostly boys
L355[14:51:39] <Inari> :p
L356[14:52:00] * Inari wonders if minas_tirith is a brolita
L357[14:52:37] <minas_tirith> I looked it up, no too extravagant for my liking
L358[14:53:21] <Inari> I mean, can wear one of the more downplayed styles like classic or casual
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L360[15:04:56] <minas_tirith> Welcome DICK
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L362[15:06:57] <B​ob> %bye
L363[15:06:58] <MichiBot> B​ob: Oh, well, bye I guess...
L364[15:07:07] <minas_tirith> %sip
L365[15:07:07] <MichiBot> You drink a seeping nectar potion (New!). minas_tirith's favourite hat is suddenly fire.
L366[15:07:11] * Inari pours some of her honey store onto Amanda's belts to see how they work with fluids
L367[15:07:15] <minas_tirith> %tonk
L368[15:07:16] <MichiBot> minas_​tirith: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L369[15:09:57] * Amanda glares at Inari
L370[15:10:10] * Inari wags her tail innocently
L371[15:10:11] <Inari> Hm?
L372[15:10:23] <Amanda> Now I've got boxes of honey on my solar sail belt!
L373[15:10:35] <Inari> boxes?
L374[15:11:20] <Amanda> Yes, ask fluids are helpfully boxed into some kind of container for use on a belt
L375[15:11:29] <Inari> I see
L376[15:11:30] <Inari> Odd!
L377[15:11:32] <Amanda> All*
L378[15:20:10] * Inari pours milk onto Amanda's belts too to test the theory that all fluids behave that way
L379[15:20:28] <Amanda> %bite Inari
L380[15:20:29] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is trying to bite Ina​ri! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
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L382[15:20:40] <Inari> D:
L383[15:20:44] <Inari> %counterattack
L384[15:20:48] <Inari> sad
L385[15:20:49] <Inari> %defend
L386[15:20:49] <Amanda> Milk doesn't go on the turbine belt!
L387[15:20:49] <MichiBot> Specify an action as the first parameter: block, guard, deflect, parry, counterspell, dodge
L388[15:20:58] <Inari> %guard
L389[15:20:59] <MichiBot> Inari managed to partially guard Amanda wielding the dead meme. With a 14 vs 12 Inari only takes half of the 4 damage.
L390[15:21:14] <Amanda> ... wielding a dead meme? How? I was biting her...
L391[15:21:35] <ThePi​Guy24> it was a cat meme
L392[15:22:03] <minas_tirith> %cat meme
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L394[15:23:07] <minas_tirith> Hi
L395[15:23:44] <artem1> hi
L396[15:23:55] <artem1> привет
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L398[15:24:08] <minas_tirith> What are you testing
L399[15:26:09] <Optional o​pt = null;> hi artem 👋
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L401[15:29:03] <minas_tirith> stephan48, are you ukrainian
L402[15:29:17] <stephan48> why?
L403[15:29:23] <minas_tirith> your name
L404[15:29:35] <Te​ris> I don't see the connection
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L406[15:29:52] <minas_tirith> привет
L407[15:29:58] <ZXC> hye
L408[15:30:08] <ZXC> im testing
L409[15:30:11] <Te​ris> English only please
L410[15:30:15] <minas_tirith> testing what?
L411[15:30:18] <Amanda> Stephan/steve is pretty common name in the states?
L412[15:30:28] <Te​ris> Yes it is
L413[15:30:29] <Amanda> and I imagine elsewhere
L414[15:30:30] <ZXC> can u see my ip ?
L415[15:30:37] <minas_tirith> Yes
L416[15:30:41] <minas_tirith> ZXC
L417[15:30:51] <minas_tirith> are you trying to configure a znc
L418[15:30:51] <ZXC> im need report that
L419[15:31:17] <ZXC> all system
L420[15:31:17] <stephan48> yea hailing from Pripyat but moved to Germany 20 years ago.. my home automation sensors started to go haywire so I had to move.
L421[15:31:20] <Amanda> your IP isn't a) nearly as identifiable as you think to a small party and b) that private
L422[15:31:44] <Amanda> everything you talk to on the internet sees your IP, most log it as well
L423[15:31:58] <ZXC> oki ip is private ?
L424[15:32:05] <minas_tirith> The internet is a very obscure technology
L425[15:32:06] <M​GR> .............
L426[15:32:08] <M​GR> no
L427[15:32:13] <stephan48> as are telephones
L428[15:32:16] <Amanda> everything load a webpage? It knows your IP, log into a MC server, they've got your IP
L429[15:32:28] <M​GR> If you touch anything online it knows your IP
L430[15:32:34] <Amanda> ^
L431[15:32:46] <minas_tirith> ZXC, you might want to see a znc for that. But then if you don't own the znc servers, the znc itself can see everything you are doing on irc
L432[15:32:47] <Inari> Sure, but other people on that server don't know your IP :p And how identifiable it makes you kinda depends on your ISP
L433[15:33:03] <ZXC> im reporting all devs
L434[15:33:16] <M​GR> :weebStare:
L435[15:33:18] <Amanda> Inari: I don't think any specific ISP would give the full details of an IP to just anyone
L436[15:33:33] <ZXC> thx for your time
L437[15:33:45] <ZXC> bye
L438[15:33:53] <Amanda> Sure, good luck reporting the devs of a '80s protocol to anyone.
L439[15:34:13] <minas_tirith> ZXC, it is the reality of this technology
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L441[15:35:52] <stephan48> Amanda, in Germany: download some current movies via torrent you might be suprised how quick you get a letter from some law form asking you to pay €€€
L442[15:36:03] <stephan48> just depends on who is asking
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L444[15:36:53] <minas_tirith> ZXC, its still visible
L445[15:37:22] <ZXC> tell me my ip numbers
L446[15:37:23] <Amanda> stephan48: Well, sure, but that's because the MAFIAA has the money and legal bullshitery to pressure every ISP into that. And in the US at least, one major ISP also is a member of the MAFIAA
L447[15:37:24] <stephan48> ZXC is still visible?
L448[15:37:32] <stephan48> just one?
L449[15:37:35] <ZXC> numbers
L450[15:37:49] <Te​ris> 185.116.156.219
L451[15:38:00] <Amanda> Joe Q Rando isn't going to get much out of an ISP, I would hope
L452[15:38:03] <stephan48> ZXC: 123.456.789.0
L453[15:38:18] <minas_tirith> Does germany have special ips?
L454[15:38:21] <stephan48> Teris... he just asked for numbers!
L455[15:38:23] <stephan48> yes we do
L456[15:38:32] <ZXC> fk
L457[15:38:37] <minas_tirith> Tell me about these obscure ips
L458[15:38:46] <Te​ris> It's too dangerous
L459[15:38:56] <ZXC> thx u for nifo
L460[15:39:06] <ZXC> info
L461[15:39:16] <ZXC> bye have nice day
L462[15:39:21] <Te​ris> minas you couldn't stand holding any more knowledge and so I'm taking steps to shield you from that
L463[15:39:30] <Te​ris> You'll have to level up your capacity by studying hard
L464[15:39:38] <stephan48> be carefull minas, they can be dangerous! don't look any further: 2a00:1450:4016:805::2003
L465[15:39:41] <stephan48> yes
L466[15:39:47] <stephan48> your brain will burst
L467[15:39:52] <minas_tirith> ip6 is very dark and obscure
L468[15:41:09] <stephan48> obscure? yes. we don't know whats hiding between the ::!
L469[15:41:13] <stephan48> it will surely be monsters
L470[15:41:25] <Amanda> bunch-a 0's
L471[15:41:57] <minas_tirith> 8 bytes of horror
L472[15:42:14] <ZXC> im so scared now
L473[15:42:39] <Amanda> again, really, there's not much randos on the internet can do with your IP
L474[15:42:41] <minas_tirith> wait
L475[15:42:43] <minas_tirith> its 16 bytes
L476[15:42:45] <ZXC> im dont want use dis mod
L477[15:42:55] <minas_tirith> ipv6 has huge range
L478[15:43:07] <ZXC> u are devs ?
L479[15:43:11] <Amanda> no
L480[15:43:15] <stephan48> worse... ADMINS
L481[15:43:18] <minas_tirith> ZXC, I don't know about minecraft
L482[15:43:36] <minas_tirith> it probably has its own ways of showing ip to servers idk
L483[15:43:41] <ZXC> im very scared
L484[15:43:42] <Te​ris> It does not
L485[15:43:48] <Inari> What do you mean it's own ways
L486[15:43:59] <Te​ris> And if you don't know about minecraft and don't want to know I question the wisdom of you staying here
L487[15:44:06] <Te​ris> It seems quite contradictory
L488[15:44:20] <minas_tirith> I will be more than happy to learn
L489[15:44:34] <Te​ris> Then start using mods
L490[15:44:45] <Inari> it literally uses tcp/ip
L491[15:45:15] <stephan48> oh no Inari i failed once by revealing the secret german ip format and you revealed tcp/ip to them! we are doomed
L492[15:45:22] <minas_tirith> Everything does, but for example if you are on youtube google knows your ip but not randoms
L493[15:45:31] <minas_tirith> whereas on irc often everyone knows your ip
L494[15:46:01] <ZXC> why need to konw ip ?
L495[15:46:19] <Amanda> because you need to be able to talk to us?
L496[15:46:19] <minas_tirith> Its the way the internet developed
L497[15:46:45] <Amanda> IRC Porbbaly uses ips/hostnames to distinguish between alice coming from one place or another
L498[15:46:50] <minas_tirith> stephan48, will merkel get you assassinated
L499[15:47:03] <ZXC> im bye 0-0
L500[15:47:03] <stephan48> possibly
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L504[15:57:29] <minas_tirith> These are dark times
L505[15:57:39] <Te​ris> Oh yes
L506[15:57:45] <Te​ris> Absolutely
L507[16:00:56] <Inari> I dunno, seem pretty light by now, few weeks ago it was darker a lot earlier in the day
L508[16:02:08] <minas_tirith> Us humans are a species that love to war each other
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L511[16:07:08] <minas_tirith> Bro
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L517[17:22:11] <Va​ur> %sip
L518[17:22:13] <MichiBot> You drink a fragrant rød potion (New!). Vaur loses exactly a handful of luck.
L519[17:23:27] <minas_tirith> It is apparently day time in antarctica now
L520[17:23:30] <minas_tirith> %sip
L521[17:23:30] <MichiBot> You drink an eroded jumbonium potion (New!). minas_tirith: Nothing seemed to happen...
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L523[17:26:08] <Sligg> hi
L524[17:26:08] <minas_tirith> Hi Sligg
L525[17:26:19] <Sligg> how are you ?
L526[17:26:29] <minas_tirith> I am ok
L527[17:26:47] <Sligg> it is so cool irc
L528[17:26:48] <minas_tirith> привет
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L530[17:27:22] <Ar​iri> Izaya, dequbed: https://youtu.be/7cqbKf1P4HQ
L531[17:27:23] <MichiBot> From the launchpad to the Mun in 13 seconds [KSP .20.2] | length: 33s | Likes: 7,582 Dislikes: 164 Views: 252,781 | by Nate072 | Published On 12/7/2013
L532[17:30:44] * Inari offers @Ariri some honey
L533[17:31:09] <minas_tirith> Inari, have you started a honey farm?
L534[17:31:36] * Ariri puts some in their tea
L535[17:31:37] <Ariri> danke
L536[17:31:44] <Inari> No, but honey is tasty, and foxes can eat it
L537[17:32:29] <minas_tirith> Ariri, it seems it is daylight in Antarctica
L538[17:32:47] <Ariri> I read your message the first time
L539[17:32:58] <minas_tirith> Ok
L540[17:34:24] <Inari> Makes me wonder if we'll see a Bee VTuber haha
L541[17:37:09] <Ariri> We have gorilla, moth, zombie, peacock... I don't see why not lol
L542[17:37:23] <minas_tirith> %def vtuber
L543[17:51:42] <Michiyo> @Forecaster "nope" ?
L544[17:52:08] <Inari> minas_tirith: YouTuber's (originally, but also Twitch, etc) that use 3d models instead of actual cams
L545[17:52:40] <minas_tirith> So whats so new or special about this phenomenon that they needed to make up a new word
L546[17:53:16] <Inari> that it's using 3d models instead of cams?
L547[17:53:41] <minas_tirith> I don't think 3d/cartoon characters were new but idk
L548[17:54:05] <Inari> using them in place of yourself sorta is. It's not an animated show (though Kizuna is/was I guess)
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L552[18:02:30] <minas_tirith> superminor2, привет
L553[18:02:55] <minas_tirith> Hi
L554[18:04:21] <Te​ris> minas you can never be sure about the weather in Antarctica until you go there
L555[18:04:24] <Te​ris> I await your call
L556[18:05:27] <minas_tirith> Thanks Teris
L557[18:09:00] <Inari> minas_tirith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uMjvR_t30k&t=35m as an example
L558[18:09:00] <MichiBot> [SKYRIM] MASTER LEVEL SUFFERING | length: 3h, 11m 11s | Likes: 29,708 Dislikes: 139 Views: 389,837 | by Gawr Gura Ch. hololive-EN | Published On 1/2/2021
L559[18:11:57] <minas_tirith> Inari, so its just anime girl avatars doing yt vids
L560[18:12:16] <Inari> well, it's people streaming, but instead of a facecam, they use a 3d model
L561[18:12:20] <Te​ris> That is what Inari said
L562[18:12:20] <Inari> Doesn't have to be a girl, or even anime
L563[18:12:23] <minas_tirith> yeah
L564[18:16:47] <Michiyo> Amanda, was it you that was doing OC stuff with Tuth's Elevators?
L565[18:16:55] <Amanda> no
L566[18:17:03] <Michiyo> Damn..
L567[18:17:07] <Michiyo> I remember SOMEONE in here was.
L568[18:17:23] <Amanda> I think they were on the discord side.
L569[18:26:16] <Mr. Al​ Patino> is there any OC emulator?
L570[18:26:26] <i develo​p things> what OS are you on?
L571[18:26:32] <Mr. Al​ Patino> windows
L572[18:26:41] <i develo​p things> https://github.com/zenith391/ocemu
L573[18:27:04] <Mr. Al​ Patino> how do i use it?
L574[18:28:52] <i develo​p things> read README.md
L575[18:29:37] <Mr. Al​ Patino> i read it but it sounds confusing as hell
L576[18:32:33] <Mr. Al​ Patino> lol nvm i did it
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L579[18:36:44] <Mr. Al​ Patino> @i develop things thanks for the help
L580[18:36:52] <i develo​p things> np
L581[18:36:58] <i develo​p things> all i did was post the link lmao but ok
L582[18:37:38] <dequbed> @"i develop things" You did help them not having to google :P
L583[18:38:04] <i develo​p things> ....true
L584[18:38:12] <minas_tirith> Software is magical
L585[18:38:12] <i develo​p things> :pong:
L586[18:38:29] <i develo​p things> software is pain sometimes
L587[18:38:40] <minas_tirith> Its a dark and obscure art
L588[18:38:44] <Ariri> life is pain
L589[18:38:50] <minas_tirith> Indeed
L590[18:38:56] <minas_tirith> Life is blood shed and death
L591[18:39:08] <Ariri> I have no retracted my statement
L592[18:39:10] <Ariri> now*
L593[18:39:30] <minas_tirith> Why
L594[18:39:49] <Ariri> You
L595[18:40:07] <i develo​p things> software isn't "a dark and obscure art"
L596[18:40:09] <Ariri> Inari, I like how that was your first example of a vtuber lol
L597[18:40:09] <minas_tirith> @i develop things I think the problem of dependency management is still in some senses not properly solved
L598[18:40:16] <i develo​p things> it's a sequence of bits that tell a computer what to do
L599[18:40:44] <Te​ris> You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean minas_tirith
L600[18:41:16] <minas_tirith> Teris, I see inclusion of libraries, packaging up your program then releasing it etc as parts of the same ultimate issue
L601[18:41:38] <minas_tirith> @i develop things but these bits are obscure
L602[18:41:41] <Mr. Al​ Patino> @i develop things well it worked but the screen is tiny XD i think there is an OC code that sets the size
L603[18:41:42] <Te​ris> I too see your problems with that as part of a bigger issue
L604[18:41:55] <Te​ris> But my vision has already been established as clearer than yours
L605[18:41:58] <i develo​p things> somewhere in `ocemu.cfg` @Mr. Al Patino
L606[18:42:02] <minas_tirith> Which is Teris
L607[18:42:03] <minas_tirith> ?
L608[18:42:07] <Mr. Al​ Patino> ok
L609[18:43:12] <Te​ris> An insufficient level of mechano-electo-chemical impulses occuring within an approximately 1200 cm^3 space
L610[18:43:36] <Mr. Al​ Patino> this? https://tinyurl.com/y5ozv2pr
L611[18:44:00] <minas_tirith> Look here, what it feels to me is that while writing code is tough but what is often tougher to me is ensuring the appropriate deps, environment etc exists in your users system too, and how to make that possible to replicate easily
L612[18:44:11] <i develo​p things> simple
L613[18:44:18] <i develo​p things> just write everything using Lua and VT100
L614[18:44:24] <Ariri> yabai
L615[18:44:46] <minas_tirith> And how will lua save me from the operating system and libraries?
L616[18:44:51] <minas_tirith> lua too must have libraries
L617[18:44:57] <minas_tirith> and different language versions etc
L618[18:45:29] <minas_tirith> Teris, I'll be the first to admit I have a low iq. There is no need to point that out.
L619[18:45:45] <Te​ris> There is a need when you don't do research
L620[18:46:15] <minas_tirith> I did research, and it turned out that installing software is tough
L621[18:46:33] <minas_tirith> Writing and packaging it up for others, tougher
L622[18:46:39] <Te​ris> I see
L623[18:46:47] <i develo​p things> lua is entirely ANSI C
L624[18:47:02] <Ariri> They're not pointing out a low IQ (and neither am I saying you have it), but you just use the same words for everything and structure as a fact, rather than as a 'I personally don't understand this despite my effort to do so'
L625[18:47:05] <i develo​p things> so if you just use the standard lua libraries and vt100 like i do you'll be fine
L626[18:47:29] <Mr. Al​ Patino> so i guess i cant adjust the size
L627[18:47:48] <minas_tirith> @i develop things, and if I just use stdlibs and C89 I'll be fine too...but more often than not software requires using libraries written by others
L628[18:48:03] <i develo​p things> i wrote a text editor entirely in standard Lua
L629[18:48:06] <minas_tirith> And the moment libraries come up, thats the moment we have opened ourselves to the general problem of dep management
L630[18:48:06] <i develo​p things> two, actually
L631[18:48:13] <minas_tirith> Thats nice
L632[18:48:24] <minas_tirith> But we can't just write everything as a monolithic program in lua can we?
L633[18:49:11] <minas_tirith> or in any langauge
L634[18:49:21] <minas_tirith> The need for libraries hasn't been obviated anywhere
L635[18:49:52] <i develo​p things> i wrote a keyboard input library in standard lua
L636[18:50:02] <i develo​p things> i wrote a terminal interfacing library in standard lua
L637[18:50:43] <dequbed> I mean I have written a lot of code with zero libraries and dependency management but I don't think I'm the kind of programmer you're talking about :P
L638[18:51:24] <minas_tirith> @i develop things, indeed and the thing with software is that someone out there might build something higher level on top of your libs, then someone else use his as the base libraries for his project and so on...
L639[18:56:35] <bad at​ vijya> aw yeah
L640[18:56:37] <bad at​ vijya> VELX time
L641[18:56:38] <bad at​ vijya> B)
L642[18:56:44] <bad at​ vijya> wait does tcc support ARM
L643[18:56:49] <bad at​ vijya> aarch64, rather
L644[18:56:51] <i develo​p things> i doubt it, minas_tirith
L645[18:56:52] <minas_tirith> Does it?
L646[18:56:57] <minas_tirith> Interesting
L647[18:57:05] <i develo​p things> (r.e. dependency management)
L648[18:57:18] <minas_tirith> Explain @i develop things
L649[18:57:52] <bad at​ vijya> >arm64-asm.c, arm64-gen.c, arm64-link.c
L650[18:57:56] <minas_tirith> at least in C world, these things seem to get rather hairy...makefiles often have a list of dependencies on packages that isn't written down previously
L651[18:58:16] <bad at​ vijya> ah, ASM doesn't work yet
L652[18:59:01] <bad at​ vijya> oh well
L653[18:59:09] <minas_tirith> python has venvs that do a lot in isolating out environments
L654[18:59:28] <bad at​ vijya> >trying to figure out why serial cable isn't working
L655[18:59:30] <minas_tirith> still not a panacea of course
L656[18:59:41] <bad at​ vijya> >realize switch may have been flipped
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L658[19:13:21] <minas_tirith> Honestly how is it such a offensive fact that I found that installing and replicating softwares sometimes gets really hairy
L659[19:24:55] <dequbed> %bonk minas_tirith with clue by four
L660[19:24:55] <MichiBot> dequbed bonks minas_tirith on the head with with clue by four for 1d​4 => 1 damage!
L661[19:26:34] <minas_tirith> %kill dequbed
L662[19:28:44] <dequbed> To do that you need quite a bit more than what you bring to the table :)
L663[19:29:41] <Ariri> Indeed. I know, because I've tried
L664[19:32:11] <minas_tirith> dequbed, all the clues in the world won't change the fact that building/insalling some softwares is really confusing...and its not always due to the fault of the one who wrote/packaged it.
L665[19:33:30] <dequbed> minas_tirith: You finding anything complicated or whatever is not an offensive fact. Not even close. In fact, most in here don't care one way or another. You then extrapolating from that sample size of n=1 to everybody else including the people in here, pinging them with unsolicitated advice, general haplessnes, putting words into their mouths and generally not understanding that other people in here actually do have expertise in their hobbies and
L666[19:33:30] <dequbed> jobs. *That* is what is rubbing people the wrong way.
L667[19:34:33] <minas_tirith> I am sure there are many highly talented people here, I never doubted that
L668[19:35:00] <Inari> Ariri: haha, I figured an English one is nice to link, and Gura is gura
L669[19:35:19] <dequbed> minas_tirith: I never claimed you did.
L670[19:36:31] <Ariri> Inari, yup, Gura is gura. Also weird that skyrim was the game being played for two separate 1M milestones..
L671[19:40:08] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4kdDrO1I4 vTuber German lessons
L672[19:40:08] <MichiBot> [Eng sub] Kiara intimidates you in German. | length: 33s | Likes: 10,679 Dislikes: 121 Views: 127,131 | by blueAwoo | Published On 17/1/2021
L673[19:41:13] <CompanionCube> minas_tirith: look into things like nixos
L674[19:41:36] <minas_tirith> CompanionCube, I know of nixos and it is the next thing I will be experimenting on
L675[19:41:48] <dequbed> Or on a less grand scale package management of any language that isn't C or Python.
L676[19:41:52] <minas_tirith> Definitely very on point regarding an attempt to solve this problem
L677[19:42:20] <minas_tirith> dequbed, well thats nice but I don't have the choice in saying what language the devs should use for the software I needed to install at some moment.
L678[19:43:26] <minas_tirith> ie yes the choice of language and package management is mine when starting a project myself; not so when using something made by others
L679[19:43:47] <dequbed> Yeah and exactly that is fucking point why so many in here are fucking fed up with you. It's a problem *you* have in *your* specific situation but you talk around like *everybody* does in *every* situation, completely ignoring the people that show you that it really it Just. You.
L680[19:44:13] <minas_tirith> Am I the only person in the world who had to build some C project from source?
L681[19:44:22] <minas_tirith> and ran into issues while doing the make?
L682[19:44:38] <dequbed> No but you are right now the only person acting like a baby in a completely unrelated channel.
L683[19:44:56] <dequbed> s/baby/baby about it/
L684[19:44:56] <MichiBot> <dequbed> No but you are right now the only person acting like a baby about it in a completely unrelated channel.
L685[19:45:02] <minas_tirith> I am sorry, I felt that was just the natural course of the dialog
L686[19:45:07] <dequbed> Yeah no it's not.
L687[19:45:09] <minas_tirith> But I'll stop talking about that matter
L688[19:46:28] <dequbed> minas_tirith: That won't help. This is not an insulated problem. People in here have a problem with the general way you talk. I don't *think* you're intending to piss people off but for the last 6 days or so you very much have.
L689[19:46:28] <minas_tirith> I apologize if anything I said was felt to be prickly or spammy
L690[19:49:13] <minas_tirith> Okay
L691[19:50:12] <minas_tirith> Again I apologize if I was prickly or spammy
L692[19:56:57] <Va​ur> %sip
L693[19:56:59] <MichiBot> You drink an invisible automato potion (New!). Vaur has no memory of drinking a potion.
L694[19:57:23] <Va​ur> I guess I should sip soon 🤔
L695[20:06:42] <bad at​ vijya> BORDERS, MONARCH https://tinyurl.com/y44gcj49
L696[20:06:44] <bad at​ vijya> I NEED MY B O R D E R S
L697[20:07:25] <bad at​ vijya> see also: the best ace the federation has vs some mute merc with a plane made for killing communists
L698[20:08:29] <BlackS​hephard> hey
L699[20:13:04] <BlackS​hephard> so you guys are good at open computers right?
L700[20:13:31] <Amanda> Don't ask to ask, just ask your question
L701[20:13:50] <Michiyo> Opan Compaurters?
L702[20:13:57] <Michiyo> Never heard of it!
L703[20:14:03] * Michiyo glances around
L704[20:14:51] <bad at​ vijya> what's a computer
L705[20:15:12] <i develo​p things> what's a dicsord
L706[20:15:46] <Ariri> chaos
L707[20:15:54] <BlackS​hephard> So i wanna automate a IC2 fluid reactor
L708[20:15:56] <Michiyo> They're right you know.
L709[20:16:19] <BlackS​hephard> i play on GT:NH, and i want to sell excess power on the server i'm on
L710[20:17:55] <BlackS​hephard> the plan is to wireless transmit power to the customers bases, but i need a way to record how much power they consume so i can charge them, and i need a way to communicate this data to a central computer so i know how much power is being drawn
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L712[20:19:28] <i develo​p things> there's some sort of meter you can use if you have the right mods iirc
L713[20:19:31] <i develo​p things> that's about all i know of it tho
L714[20:19:43] <i develo​p things> TPG24 has a neat graphing library you might be able to use
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L716[20:20:11] <ThePi​Guy24> its neat as long as you dont look at the code for it :p
L717[20:20:16] <i develo​p things> lmao
L718[20:20:47] <BlackS​hephard> so i have very limited coding
L719[20:21:44] <BlackS​hephard> i mean is this too hard to accomplish with limited knowledge
L720[20:21:56] <BlackS​hephard> i mean i assume there is already code out there that automates IC2 reactors
L721[20:22:55] <M​GR> I know there is an RF meter, but I don't know about an IC2 meter. You'd need a block capable of interacting with OC that can read IC2 power figures
L722[20:23:17] <Va​ur> %sip
L723[20:23:18] <MichiBot> You drink a dusty pink potion (New!). Vaur turns into a sloth until they have A Stainless steel potion.
L724[20:23:35] <BlackS​hephard> well this pack is fully greg tech integrated
L725[20:24:16] <BlackS​hephard> i don't think the coding is hard, just getting it to run on an open computer is rough,
L726[20:24:36] <BlackS​hephard> my plan is to install Mine OS or some other form of graphical operating system
L727[20:24:43] <BlackS​hephard> and then code it all in that
L728[20:24:49] <BlackS​hephard> with the built in IDE
L729[20:25:09] <M​GR> I recommend using an external editor like Notepad++ or Adobe Brackets
L730[20:25:34] <BlackS​hephard> well what language does open computers use?
L731[20:25:41] <BlackS​hephard> i am most familar with python
L732[20:26:05] <Michiyo> Lua
L733[20:26:18] <Michiyo> %tutorial
L734[20:26:19] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/lua/index.htm
L735[20:26:22] <Michiyo> and %pil
L736[20:26:23] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html#P1
L737[20:26:30] <Michiyo> will be your friends in your learning adventures
L738[20:28:07] <BlackS​hephard> i mean
L739[20:28:19] <BlackS​hephard> should i still run the Mine OS
L740[20:28:25] <BlackS​hephard> and run code within that or no?
L741[20:28:41] <BlackS​hephard> like it gets rid of a lot of the more difficult stuff you know, makes it more user friendly
L742[20:28:51] <Michiyo> Personaly? I wouldn't touch MineOS with a 10' poll
L743[20:28:57] <BlackS​hephard> why?
L744[20:29:03] <Michiyo> It's bloated AF mainly
L745[20:29:16] <BlackS​hephard> are there alternatives?
L746[20:29:20] <BlackS​hephard> i mean its quite impressive
L747[20:29:37] <Michiyo> Sure if you don't mind throwing T3 everything at it...
L748[20:29:48] <M​GR> OpenOS suits most use cases
L749[20:30:05] <BlackS​hephard> but its just a console if i recall right?
L750[20:30:09] <Michiyo> I just use stock OpenOS. MineOs doesn't "remove the difficult stuff" really.. it just makes it so you do more with touch events... lol
L751[20:30:35] <BlackS​hephard> Open OS if i recall is simply a console operating system right?
L752[20:30:57] <Michiyo> Yes, and so is MineOS, it just lies to you lol
L753[20:31:16] <Michiyo> it draws pretty blocks on a console terminal.
L754[20:31:24] <BlackS​hephard> makes sense
L755[20:31:38] <BlackS​hephard> isn't that what all Graphical OS's are anyways?
L756[20:32:10] * Michiyo sighs
L757[20:32:23] <Michiyo> Knock yourself out with MineOS. Enjoy
L758[20:32:27] <BlackS​hephard> ok
L759[20:32:39] <BlackS​hephard> so also, so for the power thing right
L760[20:34:17] <BlackS​hephard> couldn't i just have a computer record the current and voltage draw at the customer constantly, and when there is a non zero current and voltage value, it multiplies that measured voltage and current, then multiplies it by the amount of time it measures the power draw
L761[20:35:00] <BlackS​hephard> constantly checks if there is a current and voltage, multiplies by time if it detects one, appends that value to a list or something in the program
L762[20:35:17] <BlackS​hephard> sends that value to the main computer at the reactor
L763[20:35:47] <BlackS​hephard> see idk how you make a variable in a program that you can like... send places... or access in other programs...
L764[20:36:08] <M​GR> Assuming that IC2 supports measuring current and voltage through OC, that is possible
L765[20:37:02] <BlackS​hephard> ok
L766[20:37:04] <BlackS​hephard> next
L767[20:37:10] <BlackS​hephard> how can i make the computers secure
L768[20:37:17] <BlackS​hephard> so like, make it so they have a login
L769[20:37:30] <BlackS​hephard> Mine OS allows that, idk if Open OS has that
L770[20:38:04] <M​GR> https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:computer OpenOS has the addUser command
L771[20:38:15] <BlackS​hephard> ok
L772[20:38:23] <BlackS​hephard> so question, are servers and stuff kinda unneccesary?
L773[20:38:31] <BlackS​hephard> for most things
L774[20:38:48] <M​GR> If you're using MineOS, servers are quite helpful for their additional RAM capacity
L775[20:39:09] <M​GR> If you are not, then they're not usually necessary unless you're controlling large numbers of components at once
L776[20:39:10] <Michiyo> Servers are also nice because they are the only way you can use component busses to support more than 16 components
L777[20:39:18] <BlackS​hephard> wait
L778[20:39:30] <BlackS​hephard> so MGR are you familiar with mine OS
L779[20:39:36] <M​GR> Not really
L780[20:39:42] <BlackS​hephard> is there an alternative
L781[20:39:47] <M​GR> OpenOS
L782[20:39:50] <BlackS​hephard> that takes the benefits of it but isn't as intensive
L783[20:42:30] <i develo​p things> KittenOS Neo is interesting
L784[20:42:36] <BlackS​hephard> whats it like
L785[20:42:41] <i develo​p things> its goal is to run well in 192k of memory
L786[20:42:54] <i develo​p things> well, it's a GUI OS
L787[20:43:12] <i develo​p things> more similar to perhaps barebones Linux WMs than to macOS, though
L788[20:44:21] <BlackS​hephard> is there not a windows style OS
L789[20:44:46] <i develo​p things> there isn't
L790[20:46:10] <Forec​aster> @Michiyo no blocks dropped from the reader at least
L791[20:46:19] <Michiyo> OH
L792[20:46:21] <Forec​aster> Items rather
L793[20:46:24] <Michiyo> Right... I forgot about that.
L794[20:46:31] <Michiyo> I forgot I linked you to the build lol
L795[20:48:22] <Michiyo> huh, interesting. I'll admit I didn't test it... didn't even implement it in my IDE, just via gitweb.. lol
L796[20:48:32] <Michiyo> I'll fire it up in IDE and try to figure it out
L797[20:48:35] <Michiyo> eventually
L798[21:03:32] <CompanionCube> Izaya: so, my brother got imperator rome in a humble bundle but didn't want so yay free present. It'd now be possible to do a cursed thing where the imperator rome start is converted to hoi4 through multiple stages.
L799[21:06:28] <BlackS​hephard> also
L800[21:06:59] <BlackS​hephard> is there a way to wirelessly charge and send commands to nano bots?
L801[21:07:19] <BlackS​hephard> i'm kinda dissapointed with nanobots tbh, i thought there would be more things you could do with them
L802[21:07:44] <BlackS​hephard> my plan to make sure people pay for their electrical power is to force them to eat nanobots before i start giving them power
L803[21:07:45] <Va​ur> %sip
L804[21:07:46] <MichiBot> You drink a concentrated sapphire potion (New!). Vaur turns into a golem goat boy until Sozin's Comet returns.
L805[21:08:16] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y4vdcbo5
L806[21:08:19] <bad at​ vijya> AAAAAAAAAAA
L807[21:15:59] <bad at​ vijya> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA https://tinyurl.com/y59dluuo
L808[21:17:04] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L809[21:17:05] <MichiBot> Geez! Compan​ionCube! You beat bau​en1's previous record of 8 hours, 2 minutes and 25 seconds (By 2 minutes and 25 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L810[21:17:06] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 8 hours, 4 minutes and 50 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00036 (0.00004 x 9) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.10063 more points to pass Va​ur!
L811[21:17:18] *** TPG24 is now known as ThePiGuy24
L812[21:17:54] <CompanionCube> i wonder how much of the gap will be filled in 8 hours lol
L813[21:28:32] <Amanda> Inari: How mature of you to take responsibility for that I %told you. :3
L814[21:30:11] <Inari> Amanda: meow?
L815[21:30:33] <Va​ur> %sip
L816[21:30:35] <MichiBot> You drink an invisible electrum potion (New!). Vaur's favourite hat is suddenly fire.
L817[21:30:45] <Amanda> I sent you a tell last night
L818[21:30:56] <Inari> Oh right
L819[21:31:04] <Inari> I got distracted by the conversation as I joined :P
L820[21:31:18] <Amanda> and you've not rfuted the alligation, so clearly you've taken responsibility!
L821[21:31:24] <Inari> haha
L822[21:31:25] <Inari> rude
L823[21:36:45] <Mr. Al​ Patino> is there an easy way to make an interface?
L824[21:39:44] <Inari> I believe Forecaster had a draw-your-interface thing?
L825[21:52:35] <Mr. Al​ Patino> ?
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L830[22:20:22] <Forec​aster> https://towerofawesome.org/oc_interface_designer/
L831[22:20:31] <Forec​aster> it's a prototype, but it works to an extent
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L833[22:21:06] <Poopy> what
L834[22:21:11] <Poopy> yes
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L836[22:21:19] <Amanda> k
L837[22:23:55] <CompanionCube> Izaya: Skye: today on government hacking stuffs: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55953247 backstory is going through much effort to secure the devices....only to have them pwned via a seized domain and a malicious update. Did they really put all that effort in but didn't flippin sign the OS?
L838[22:25:01] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y2s65oap
L839[22:33:13] <Forec​aster> woop https://tinyurl.com/y6p3jwzt
L840[22:35:21] <Forec​aster> 75 MW right there
L841[22:39:30] <Forec​aster> I don't think power will be an issue anymore https://tinyurl.com/y2gadwed
L842[22:46:23] <Michiyo> %calc 1*2
L843[22:46:24] <MichiBot> 1*2 1* => 2 1*
L844[22:46:33] <Michiyo> @Forecaster ^? lol
L845[22:46:46] <Michiyo> It's also done '<MichiBot> 1024*6 1024*6 => 6144 6144' lol
L846[22:47:02] <Shuud​oushi> Wtf lol
L847[22:47:20] <Shuud​oushi> How are basic math functions gacked?
L848[22:47:47] <Shuud​oushi> %calc 1x2
L849[22:47:47] <MichiBot> 1x2 => 2
L850[22:48:14] <Shuud​oushi> That's not how i expected that to handle math functions
L851[22:48:39] <Shuud​oushi> %calc 1x4(x)
L852[22:48:39] <MichiBot> 1x4(x) 1x4(x) => 16x
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L856[22:59:42] <Amanda> %choose rain box ; now or later
L857[22:59:42] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: now rain box
L858[22:59:57] * Amanda miaows at Inari incessently until she turns on the rain box
L859[23:00:13] <Inari> Amanda: no!
L860[23:00:21] * Inari hands Amanda the honey box instead
L861[23:01:13] <Amanda> Stop trying to implicate me in your honey theft crimes! D:
L862[23:02:33] <Inari> :3
L863[23:04:06] <Forec​aster> first bits of actual shell! https://tinyurl.com/y35zylpr
L864[23:05:42] <Inari> noice,noice
L865[23:05:50] <Forec​aster> funky
L866[23:06:04] <Forec​aster> it's drawing solar sails from the swarm to form the shell https://tinyurl.com/yxpqexap
L867[23:06:41] <Forec​aster> that's what it looks like at least
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L869[23:22:59] <CompanionCube> %inv add nevada company town
L870[23:22:59] * MichiBot summons 'nevada company town' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L871[23:26:00] <Amanda> %give MichiBot Inari's notes on the fesibility of nuclear pantsu
L872[23:26:01] * MichiBot accepts Inari's notes on the fesibility of nuclear pantsu and adds it to her inventory
L873[23:27:14] <CompanionCube> (not a joke see https://apnews.com/article/legislature-legislation-local-governments-nevada-economy-2fa79128a7bf41073c1e9102e8a0e5f0)
L874[23:28:14] <Forec​aster> oh, well that's confirmed, the shell has drained the swarm now
L875[23:30:26] <Forec​aster> but I guess it makes the sails permanent so they don't expire and need to be maintained
L876[23:42:07] <Izaya> CompanionCube: that's a pretty neat story though
L877[23:42:22] <CompanionCube> which?
L878[23:42:31] <Izaya> the encrochat one
L879[23:42:36] <CompanionCube> indeed
L880[23:47:16] <Amanda> %choose DSP or continue playing with rofi stuff
L881[23:47:17] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I sense some "DSP" in your future!
L882[23:48:16] <Amanda> oh hey, steam update. Wonder if that'll fix the daily-ish SIGSEVG
L883[23:49:04] <Forec​aster> nice, a little more efficient to launch the sails into an orbit that is outside the shell now
L884[23:49:20] <Izaya> oh, good to see it's not just me
L885[23:49:48] <Amanda> Izaya: it's not quite daily for me, but every so often I'd switch to WS4 and it'd be nowhere to be seen
L886[23:54:41] <Amanda> I hope they release the building upgrading soon, I could do with upgrading the solar sail production, and it'd be a pain to do otherwise
L887[23:54:54] <Forec​aster> yeah
L888[23:57:08] <Izaya> I assume it's something to do with the runtime libraries vs my system libraries
L889[23:57:32] <Izaya> Amanda: you're on Nix and can run multiple versions at once, right? You should try to run Steam in an environment that's effectively identical to the latest Ubuntu LTS
L890[23:58:48] <Amanda> Izaya: I believe that's what the steam expression already does. It basically does a chroot of a basic-bitches ubuntu LTS, using the allpackages that valve packages, and throws steam into it
L891[23:59:10] <Izaya> hmm
L892[23:59:18] * Izaya shrugs
L893[23:59:34] <Izaya> I'm using the steam-runtime wrapper but that's only thinly insulated from the system
L894[23:59:37] <Amanda> The only exceptions being graphics stuff, because ofc that's got a rapidly-changing ABI and no long-term support
L895[23:59:40] <Izaya> steam-native doesn't run any more lmao
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