L1[00:06:27] <CompanionCube> dammit
L2[00:16:56] <Vampyre> Michiyo, ah, ok
thanks anyway
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L4[00:17:27] <Vampyre> I'll just give up on
adding color to my life and focus on getting the keyboard
working
L5[00:17:34] <PSEL> Hello
L6[00:17:40] <Amanda> %hello
L7[00:17:40] <MichiBot> Amanda: Hello!
Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask
your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L8[00:17:40] <Vampyre> hi
L9[00:17:57] <PSEL> I'm back xD
L10[00:18:26] <Amanda> %choose corrosive
gas or observe puppers or Zeus's family-friendly story time or
something new
L11[00:18:26] <MichiBot> Amanda: I have a
pamphlet that says never to engage in "Zeus's family-friendly
story time", so you should definitely do it!
L12[00:18:41] <PSEL> Does anyone know
WebDisplay?
L13[00:20:31] 
<Forecaster> That's probably a good
pamphlet to listen to...
<Forecaster> That's probably a good
pamphlet to listen to...L14[00:21:38] <Michiyo> PSEL I know it
exists
L15[00:21:44] <Michiyo> that is the extent
of my knowledge
L16[00:22:14] <Bob> why
have WebDisplays wgen you have IRC
<Bob> why
have WebDisplays wgen you have IRCL17[00:22:22] <Bob> why
have WebDisplays when you have IRC [Edited]
<Bob> why
have WebDisplays when you have IRC [Edited]L18[00:24:17] <Amanda> @Forecaster this
Zeus doesn't believe Prometheus when he tells him the REAL origin
of aphrodite
L19[00:25:20] <PSEL> WebDisplays allows you
to watch youtube
L20[00:25:52] <Bob> i
have chrome
<Bob> i
have chromeL21[00:26:00] <PSEL> xDDD
L22[00:26:12] <PSEL> So do I, but it's
fun
L23[00:26:15] <PSEL> xD
L24[00:26:18] <Amanda> I have a Nvidia
Shield for youtube... and other stuff
L25[00:26:34] <Amanda> like side-loaded
stadia
L26[00:26:54] *
Amanda goes off to listen to Zeus and Prometheus
banter
L27[00:30:11] <PSEL> you can you modify a
mod?
L28[00:30:24] <PSEL> you open a jar
file?
L29[00:30:32] <PSEL> Amanda?
L30[00:30:37] <PSEL> Amanda
L31[00:31:02] <Vampyre> pretty much all
mods have the sources available, so you don't need the jars
L32[00:31:12] <Vampyre> to modify the
mod
L33[00:31:13] <Amanda> Huh?
L34[00:32:18] <Forecaster> If you modify a mod, does it
become a modmod
<Forecaster> If you modify a mod, does it
become a modmodL35[00:32:26] <Vampyre> heh
L36[00:32:43] <PSEL> bc I want to upgrade
Web Displays to support video playblack from sites other than YT
xD
L37[00:32:48] <Vampyre> recursive modding!
modception!
L38[00:33:57] <Forecaster> If you don't know how a jar
file works that might be a bit of an overreach
<Forecaster> If you don't know how a jar
file works that might be a bit of an overreachL39[00:35:13] <Amanda> Man, gotta love how
the discord app can be signed in enough to pop a notification for
an at-everyone but not too show the chat when I click it
L40[00:35:36] <Amanda> s/click/tap/
L41[00:35:37] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
Man, gotta love how the discord app can be signed in enough to pop
a notification for an at-everyone but not too show the chat when I
tap it
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L43[01:01:30] <Vampyre> ok, code pushed to
https://github.com/Vampyric-OC/OCFramebuffer again
and this is what I got now: https://winaoe.org/oc/OCDB2.png
L44[01:02:06] <Vampyre> colors are optional
and next up is keyboard
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L46[01:33:50] <Amanda> %tell Inari who
knew? Using an RPG toplay the dunking game: Not a good idea.
https://nc.ddna.co/s/raWcZngLxHQqDG9
L47[01:33:50] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L51[02:55:12] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L52[02:55:12] <MichiBot> Willikers!
CompanionCube! You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 2
hours, 57 minutes and 49 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L53[02:55:13] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's
new record is 2 hours, 57 minutes and 49 seconds! CompanionCube
also gained 0.00296 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2.
Need 0.01453 more points to pass Vaur!
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L55[03:23:08] <Izaya> Ariri: that looks
like something out of KSP
L56[03:53:42] <Ocawesome101> hmm yes
L57[03:53:49] <Ocawesome101> laptop display
looks like a CRT with rendering issues
L58[03:53:57] <Ocawesome101> complete with
the artifacting
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L60[04:00:45] *
Amanda tucks in around Elfi, zzzmews and dreams of buttered corn on
the cob which she is suddenly craving for some reason only known to
the goddesses
L61[04:00:57] <Amanda> Night nerds
L62[04:33:44] <Ariri> Izaya, yes, but I
would probably have to get such a TWR, lol
L63[04:36:38] <Ariri> s/to/to edit a few
files to
L64[04:36:39] <MichiBot> <Ariri>
Izaya, yes, but I would probably have to edit a few files to get
such a TWR, lol
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L69[04:42:29] <i develop
things> shit
<i develop
things> shitL70[04:42:31] <i develop
things> shit
<i develop
things> shitL71[04:42:32] <i develop
things> shit
<i develop
things> shitL72[04:42:43] <i develop
things> laptop display seems entirely broken
<i develop
things> laptop display seems entirely brokenL73[04:42:43] <Michiyo> ...
L74[04:42:47] <i develop
things> persists across reboots
<i develop
things> persists across rebootsL75[04:42:48] <Michiyo> oh, damn..
L76[04:43:01] <i develop
things> flickers heavily
<i develop
things> flickers heavilyL77[04:44:05] <i develop
things> works fine on an external display, and i think
unplugging from said display CAUSED the issue to happen
<i develop
things> works fine on an external display, and i think
unplugging from said display CAUSED the issue to happenL78[04:44:09] <i develop
things> i'm on discord from a different machine because of
that
<i develop
things> i'm on discord from a different machine because of
thatL79[04:44:34] <i develop
things> gonna try disassembling it and reseating the display
connector.... if, that is, i can get this one very stubborn screw
out
<i develop
things> gonna try disassembling it and reseating the display
connector.... if, that is, i can get this one very stubborn screw
outL80[04:46:12] <i develop
things> currently supergluing it to a screwdriver
<i develop
things> currently supergluing it to a screwdriverL81[04:49:27] ⇦
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L82[04:50:19] <Izaya> blu-tac is easier
usually
L83[04:50:24] <Izaya> not necessarily as
effective though
L84[04:51:17] <i develop
things> also i don't have any as far as i know, so, y'know
<i develop
things> also i don't have any as far as i know, so, y'knowL85[04:51:38] <Izaya> oh
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L87[04:51:45] <Izaya> well that does make
it harder, doesn't it? :p
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things> yeah it does
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L94[05:20:00] <i develop
things> this is what the display looks like, except flickering
https://tinyurl.com/yyepngd8
<i develop
things> this is what the display looks like, except flickering
https://tinyurl.com/yyepngd8L95[05:27:06] <Izaya> looks like cable
issues if there's no cracks in the screen, yeah
L96[05:29:05] <Izaya> hmhm
L97[05:29:31] <i develop
things> looks like this after connecting and disconnecting a
monitor (which disables the internal display) https://tinyurl.com/y5e9tzur
<i develop
things> looks like this after connecting and disconnecting a
monitor (which disables the internal display) https://tinyurl.com/y5e9tzurL98[05:29:44] <Izaya> thoughts on a mod
that mirrors player actions and block updates between servers so
you could have two servers running the world with players in them
but have them geographically far apart?
L99[05:30:06] <Izaya> ... ookay that looks
like GPU or GPU memory wonkiness
L100[05:30:10] <i develop
things> saghetti was working on something similar
<i develop
things> saghetti was working on something similarL101[05:30:11] <i develop
things> maybe
<i develop
things> maybeL102[05:30:21] <i develop
things> persists across reboots though. i guess it could be a
driver issue.
<i develop
things> persists across reboots though. i guess it could be a
driver issue.L103[05:30:33] <i develop
things> GG panfrost.
<i develop
things> GG panfrost.L104[05:30:44] <Izaya> today's arbitrary
complaint
L105[05:31:03] <Izaya> SD cards in the
pinephone can't be changed without pulling the battery
L106[05:31:12] <i develop
things> actually they can
<i develop
things> actually they canL107[05:31:16] <i develop
things> you just have to be careful about it
<i develop
things> you just have to be careful about itL108[05:31:22] <Izaya> [concern]
L109[05:31:44] <Izaya> the upside is that
I can leave my jumpdrive SD card in there and only push it in when
I need to access the internal storage over USB
L110[05:31:59] <Izaya> but it just kinda
floats happily in its spot
L111[05:32:27] <Izaya> https://pleroma.mouse.services/media/72edcce38f4921dec2b6148ea2c18861bd5a90578f6439e7ef487b7a5f6d814f.png
L112[05:32:37] <i develop
things> heh
<i develop
things> hehL113[05:36:27] ⇦
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L114[05:42:23] <Saphire>
...uhhhhhh
<Saphire>
...uhhhhhhL115[05:44:11] <i develop
things> given that it's the same artefact across all reboots ima
go with display cable
<i develop
things> given that it's the same artefact across all reboots ima
go with display cableL116[05:45:21] <i develop
things> also this laptop is about to die
<i develop
things> also this laptop is about to dieL117[06:03:55]
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L120[06:04:32] <breadpusher> hay lol
L121[06:04:37] <breadpusher> hi
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L123[06:24:58] <CompanionCube>
%tonkout
L124[06:24:58] <MichiBot> Awesome!
CompanionCube! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 57
minutes and 49 seconds (By 31 minutes and 57 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L125[06:24:59] <MichiBot> CompanionCube
has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points!
plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
0.0841, Position #2 Need 0.00753 more points to pass Vaur!
L126[06:50:22] <Kodos>
Which version of Pam's HarvestCraft has the shipping bin? Is it in
1.16.4 or 1.12
<Kodos>
Which version of Pam's HarvestCraft has the shipping bin? Is it in
1.16.4 or 1.12L127[07:02:50] ⇦
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L130[07:56:41] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL131[07:56:42] <MichiBot> Goshhawk!
Forecaster! You beat CompanionCube's previous record of <0 (By
1 hour, 31 minutes and 43 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L132[07:56:43] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 1 hour, 31 minutes and 43 seconds! Forecaster also gained
0.00153 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need
0.00593 more points to pass ThePiGuy24!
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L134[09:23:50] <Inari> .
L135[09:27:10] <Inari> Amanda: haha
L137[09:38:30] <MichiBot> Fri Jan 08
07:06:02 UTC 2021 @SaphireLattice: So, with all recent events...
Didn't want to do this but oh well.
L138[09:39:04] <Saphire>
(thread about why you would likely want to avoid or be careful with
trying to play or contribute to space station 14)
<Saphire>
(thread about why you would likely want to avoid or be careful with
trying to play or contribute to space station 14)L139[09:46:51] ⇦
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L140[09:50:07] <Izaya> > discord
guild
L141[09:50:10] <Izaya> > toxic
L142[09:50:12] <Izaya> shocking
L143[09:53:21] <Vampyre> Saphire, internet
is full of idiots, it's almost like it's an extension of a world
full of idiots ;-)
L144[09:54:05] <Forecaster> nah it's definitely discords
fault /s
<Forecaster> nah it's definitely discords
fault /sL145[09:54:50] <Vampyre> I always wonder
with nazi's and neonazi's if they ever truely read up on the court
reports of the nuerburg trials...
L146[09:55:04] <Saphire> Izaya: missing
the point >.>
L147[09:55:06] <Vampyre> no horror story
comes even close to that
L148[09:55:21] <Izaya> Saphire: I mean,
you're not wrong
L149[09:55:29] <Kodos>
What MMOs are on steam that aren't terrible
<Kodos>
What MMOs are on steam that aren't terribleL150[09:58:29] <Izaya> Vampyre: it amuses
me greatly that if neo-nazis ever got what they wanted, they'd be
the first to go, and I imagine it wouldn't be pleasant
L151[10:04:25] <Vampyre> I'm not even sure
what they want exactly... I'm not even sure they know that
L152[10:04:38] <Vampyre> as I said, world
full of idiots ;-)
L153[10:04:45] <Izaya> I'm working on the
name alone, but you're probably right
L154[10:05:58] <Elfi> Honestly, I can't
trust anything named Space Station 14 to be anything BUT neonazi
shit
L155[10:10:40] <Latibro>
Mod dev: Is it possible to register a custom API (a java class) to
be loaded using "require()" method in lua?
<Latibro>
Mod dev: Is it possible to register a custom API (a java class) to
be loaded using "require()" method in lua?L156[10:13:40] <Izaya> not a dev but I've
never seen any work like that
L157[10:13:45] <Izaya> custom component
though?
L158[10:14:28] <Izaya> I'm fairly sure
that's well documented
L159[10:16:10] <Latibro>
The custom component I know of, but wanted my api to be accesable
without having to add a component. As I see it more as a library
then a psysical component
<Latibro>
The custom component I know of, but wanted my api to be accesable
without having to add a component. As I see it more as a library
then a psysical componentL160[10:16:50] <Izaya> you might be able
to add it as a component that's part of the computer instance
L161[10:17:21] <Izaya> but OpenOS
require() wouldn't even know how to look for a non-Lua
library
L162[10:23:05] <Izaya> ... I guess you
might be able to force it into the Lua environment itself
L163[10:23:15] <Izaya> not sure how
operating systems would cope with that
L164[10:25:57] <Latibro>
Thanks for your thougts I will try to dig into the
environment
<Latibro>
Thanks for your thougts I will try to dig into the
environmentL165[10:30:14] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL166[10:30:15] <MichiBot> Dagnammit!
Vaur! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 1 hour, 31 minutes
and 43 seconds (By 1 hour, 1 minute and 49 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L167[10:30:16] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 2 hours, 33 minutes and 32 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00206 (0.00103 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#1.
L168[10:32:43] <Forecaster> dangit
<Forecaster> dangitL169[10:32:52] <Forecaster> I mean, dagnammit
<Forecaster> I mean, dagnammitL170[10:39:39] <Vaur> I
mean you already had tonked and its a bit low to tonkout ^^
<Vaur> I
mean you already had tonked and its a bit low to tonkout ^^L171[10:47:21] <Forecaster> I was intending to tonk again
>:
<Forecaster> I was intending to tonk again
>:L172[11:15:31]
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L173[11:17:32] <Vaur> but
why ? you dont gain tonk from yourself right ?
<Vaur> but
why ? you dont gain tonk from yourself right ?L174[11:25:20] <Forecaster> no, but I would have kept
anyone else from getting the points, and kept the record, meaning
more points if I managed to tonk out later
<Forecaster> no, but I would have kept
anyone else from getting the points, and kept the record, meaning
more points if I managed to tonk out laterL175[12:11:07] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER:
look into fixing nixos config, since it's apparently broken
L176[12:12:57] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL177[12:12:57] <MichiBot> You drink a
shimmering dalekanium potion (New!). The bottle turns into a
sword.
L178[12:13:27] <Forecaster> %stab @Vaur "the
sword"
<Forecaster> %stab @Vaur "the
sword"L179[12:13:27] <MichiBot> Forecaster is
trying to stab @Vaur! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt
to %defend against it!
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L183[12:19:01] <MisterRogers> Is there a
way to query a chest contents with a computer?
L184[12:19:23] <MisterRogers> Also is
there a way to automate Twilight forest uncrafting table?
L185[12:19:23] <Forecaster> transposer or adapter with
inventory controller in it
<Forecaster> transposer or adapter with
inventory controller in itL186[12:20:33] <Forecaster> does it require clicking
something in the gui?
<Forecaster> does it require clicking
something in the gui?L187[12:20:53] <MisterRogers> Not,
really?
L188[12:22:37] <Forecaster> then, probably?
<Forecaster> then, probably?L189[12:25:30] <MisterRogers> Also can you
craft without a robot?
L190[12:25:40] <Forecaster> no
<Forecaster> noL191[12:28:33] <Vampyre> you can also use
an extra utilities 2 analog crafter with a transposer, if you
really hate robots, but robots are better and faster
L192[12:30:38] <MisterRogers> I don't hate
robots, just curious if you could interact with a crafting table
with a computer, that's all.
L193[12:31:01] <Forecaster> the vanilla crafting table
doesn't have an inventory, so no
<Forecaster> the vanilla crafting table
doesn't have an inventory, so noL194[12:31:11] <Forecaster> mod ones, maybe, if it has an
inventory
<Forecaster> mod ones, maybe, if it has an
inventoryL195[12:31:50] <Vampyre> depending on the
tabble. a few like the hell forge and draconic can be made to work,
but most crafting tables are being difficult
L196[12:33:48] <Forecaster> plenty of mods add automated
crafting tables, if they work with a hopper they should work with
OC
<Forecaster> plenty of mods add automated
crafting tables, if they work with a hopper they should work with
OCL197[12:34:11] <Forecaster> as long as they don't require
clicking something in a GUI to activate them it should be
doable
<Forecaster> as long as they don't require
clicking something in a GUI to activate them it should be
doableL198[12:37:16] <Izaya> also, for taking
stuff apart, the OC disassembler may interest you
L199[12:39:53] <MisterRogers> OC
disassembler with vanilla configuration only works with OC
stuff.
L200[12:47:55] <Izaya> true enough
L201[12:48:44] <Izaya> but if you have an
uncrafting table, I'm sure a more expensive (requires power to run,
and lossy) version would be acceptable for you and/or your server
admin
L202[12:48:59] <Izaya> figured it was
worth bringing up, either way
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<Forecaster> %sipL206[13:33:18] <MichiBot> You drink a
liquid violium potion (New!). Oh no, Forecaster got a health
potion, there's probably a boss fight coming!
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L209[14:02:46] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL210[14:02:47] <MichiBot> You drink a
sweet dirt potion (New!). Vaur feels like a champion!
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L212[14:03:49] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL213[14:03:50] <MichiBot> Dogast! Vaur!
You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 33 minutes and 32
seconds (By 1 hour and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L214[14:03:51] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 3 hours, 33 minutes and 35 seconds! No points gained for
stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.001 x 3 = 0.003)
L215[14:06:22] <Izaya> Elfi: https://pomf.lain.la/f/l6g9hbng.jpg
L216[14:14:33] <Amanda> @Latibro OpenOS's
require is provided by OpenOS. the "bare-metal" lua
environment in OC doesn't have any concept of a fs, that's only
exposed via components, that OpenOS (and other OSes) fanegal into
being somewhat-"standard"-looking
L217[14:18:32] <Elfi> Awwwww
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L222[14:26:23] <SteadySpring8> Hey. I was wondering how
the adapter works? does the block i want to connect only be next to
it or do i need to do something else? Should it automatically add
the component to the componentlist?
<SteadySpring8> Hey. I was wondering how
the adapter works? does the block i want to connect only be next to
it or do i need to do something else? Should it automatically add
the component to the componentlist?L223[14:27:11] <Amanda> Depends on
thecomponent, an the block, what are you trying to attach to?
L224[14:27:52] <SteadySpring8> agricraft computer seed
analyzer
<SteadySpring8> agricraft computer seed
analyzerL225[14:28:08] <Amanda> oh. I think that's
actuallt broken in 1.12
L226[14:28:13] <SteadySpring8> oh damn
<SteadySpring8> oh damnL227[14:28:14] <Amanda> on the agricraft
side
L228[14:28:20] <SteadySpring8> that sucks
<SteadySpring8> that sucksL229[14:31:57] <dequbed> Huh. Somebody(TM)
should fix that.
L230[14:32:37] <Amanda> is agricraft even
oss? I couldn't find it's sourcewhen I noticed that being broken
awhile ago
L231[14:33:00] <dequbed> https://github.com/AgriCraft/AgriCraft/ Wouldn't be
in the pack otherwise.
L232[14:33:29] <Amanda> oh, heh
L233[14:33:37] <Amanda> lastest commit:
"Fix OpenComputers integration"
L234[14:34:41] <Amanda> "When the
other PR's in the Agricraft repo get merged I might do a new
release on CF."
L235[14:35:04] <Amanda> So I guess you've
just got to wait for the next CF update
L236[14:38:43] <SteadySpring8> oh so its fixed already?
haha
<SteadySpring8> oh so its fixed already?
hahaL237[14:39:52] <Amanda> only in the source
tree, not been released as a stable releasae yet
L238[14:40:06] <Amanda> and it was only
fixed 2 days ago
L239[14:40:21] <SteadySpring8> ah
<SteadySpring8> ahL240[14:40:41] <SteadySpring8> lets hope it gets merged
soon then 😄
<SteadySpring8> lets hope it gets merged
soon then 😄L241[14:41:46] <Amanda> it's merged, just
not released, and I don't see a CI for dev builds
L242[14:41:54] <dequbed> It is merged,
it's just not released as .jar. If you absolutely positively need
it to be fixed you can build that .jar yourself.
L243[14:42:21] <Amanda> you'll have to
build infinityliba s well, it looks like
L244[14:42:42] <SteadySpring8> i meant its not merged to
master. and i think ill wait before going down that rabbit hole
lol
<SteadySpring8> i meant its not merged to
master. and i think ill wait before going down that rabbit hole
lolL245[14:43:02] <dequbed> 1.12 builds
aren't compiled from master regardless, it will likely *never* be
merged to master.
L246[14:43:19] <SteadySpring8> well im just dumb then
😛
<SteadySpring8> well im just dumb then
😛L247[14:43:19] <Amanda> https://github.com/AgriCraft/AgriCraft/tree/1.12.2
L248[14:43:28] <Amanda> that's
"master" for 1.12.2
L249[14:43:46] <Amanda> it's merged, just
not compiled and released yet for anyone to download easily
L250[14:44:02] <SteadySpring8> ah
<SteadySpring8> ahL251[14:44:29] <dequbed> TBF I don't
particularly like the branching scheme I've seen most mods use but
that is an academic matter.
L252[14:47:19] <Amanda> dequbed: tbh I'm
genuinely curious how you'd handle multiple upstream(MC) versions
in such a repo?
L253[14:48:18] <Amanda> this seems like
the best we can have if we want a single repo for multiple
versuons, and we want to maintain more than one of those
versions
L254[14:48:30] <dequbed> Drop the master
branch entirely. As soon as one maintains more than one version the
concept of a "main" branch does not make sense anymore.
Have e.g. `1.12.2-stable`, `1.16.4-stable`, `1.16.4-develop` where
stable artifacts are generated from -stable, daily from
-develop
L255[14:48:44] <Amanda> I see
L256[14:48:47] <dequbed> If new features
are to be added to old versions branches like `1.12.2-develop` are
cretaed
L257[14:50:32] <dequbed> But at the same
time I would primarily evaluate if it even makes sense to have them
in the same repo in the first place. For many mods issues that
apply to one version do not at all transfer to other versions and
upgrading to latest is not always an option. If different people
maintain the mod it quickly gets to the point where just having
multiple GH repos, one for each major version makes more sense in
terms of ownership, issues etc. But you can
L258[14:50:32] <dequbed> get nearly the
same effect with a bunch of work on issue scopes.
L259[14:51:53] <dequbed> In other words:
Snagar currently builds `OpenComputers: The Return of Snagar`. If
that targets 1.16.4, is basically a rewrite and will have
completely different issues, does it make particular sense to keep
in in the same GH repo?
L260[14:52:59] <Amanda> true, but AIUI
theplans are if there ever is a complete rewrite, it'd be OC2, and
in a new repo
L261[14:53:40] <dequbed> Absolutely. And
I'm not trying to judge over that decision. But for how many mods
is a version update basically a complete rewrite?
L262[14:53:50] <Amanda> fair
L263[14:54:13] <Izaya> dequbed: https://shpposter.club/media/4c17a9e746d844f22ada2823d1caf8d00fd263d8efbb1504b9dbdaef703eeb4b.png
L264[14:54:22] <dequbed> Especially given
the versioning most mods have settled in with them only being
ported to the peer-pressure version of MC, i.e. 1.12, then skipping
everything to 1.16, etc.
L265[14:54:51] <dequbed> Izaya: Neutral
evil.
L266[14:54:59] <ThePiGuy24> i usually hold it the
"chaotic good" way because i dont like dropping my
tea
<ThePiGuy24> i usually hold it the
"chaotic good" way because i dont like dropping my
teaL267[14:55:01] <dequbed> And chaotic
neutral.
L268[14:55:14] <dequbed> And Lawful evil
as well <.<
L269[14:55:38] <Izaya> chaotic good but
thumb on reverse
L270[14:55:56] <dequbed> Izaya: I
literally have a cup where I sheared off the handle and it's my
favourite tea cup.
L271[14:56:00] <ThePiGuy24> i hold normal glasses neutral
evil sometimes
<ThePiGuy24> i hold normal glasses neutral
evil sometimesL272[15:01:54] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya:
https://neue.city/media/9708754410036f123643852fea00fd16fad7ec2b3e6651774cdfec75c7479a72.jpg
L273[15:12:24] <Izaya> https://pars.ee/system/media_attachments/files/105/500/216/888/175/713/original/3ea3ffa08f818a9c.png
L274[15:15:01] <Amanda> %remindme 48h try
updating nixos again
L275[15:15:02] <MichiBot> I'll remind you
about "try updating nixos again" at 01/11/2021 03:15:01
PM
L276[15:16:01] <Amanda> Hopefyllty nothing
major's gotten out that can bypass my firewalls in the last 3
weeks, It's been awhile since I updatedmy laptop,it seems
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L286[17:13:24] <bad at
vijya> Izaya: s ip
<bad at
vijya> Izaya: s ipL287[17:16:45]
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L288[17:21:48] <ThePiGuy24> ok i think
imma get a pinephone now as since the UK is no longer in the EU,
there isnt much stopping them from getting real spy happy
L289[17:25:30] <ThePiGuy24> ono they dont
sell the manjaro version anymore
L290[17:26:05] <Izaya> did they do a
manjaro convergence package
L291[17:28:25] <ThePiGuy24> they did both of these but
with manjaro instead of kde https://tinyurl.com/y2ljn4kb
<ThePiGuy24> they did both of these but
with manjaro instead of kde https://tinyurl.com/y2ljn4kbL292[17:29:03] <Izaya> oh
L293[17:29:08] <Izaya> better KDE than
manjaro
L294[17:29:12] <Izaya> :^)
L295[17:29:36] <Izaya> either way, it's
the same hardware and you can flash pmOS onto all of them
L296[17:29:48] <Izaya> or, indeed,
mobian
L297[17:30:02] <ThePiGuy24> fuck it, im
buying it
L298[17:30:09] <ThePiGuy24> it will pay
for itself in the long run
L299[17:30:18] <Izaya> in 5 years you'll
think
L300[17:30:24] <Izaya> "man, this
thing was pretty cool"
L301[17:30:27] <Izaya> and buy a new
battery for it
L302[17:31:57] <Izaya> real talk if you
have another phone you'll probably want to stick with it for
another few months even if your pinephone arrives tomorrow
L303[17:32:01] <Izaya> I can't do MMS
yet
L304[17:32:47] <ThePiGuy24> not bothered
about MMS
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L306[17:32:52] <ThePiGuy24> only need
SMS
L307[17:32:57] <Izaya> group SMS is MMS is
all
L308[17:33:15] <ThePiGuy24> only person i
ever text is my mother
L309[17:33:29] <Izaya> that said, chatty,
the purism SMS program is libpurple based and natively supports
XMPP
L310[17:33:32] <Izaya> which is very
neat
L311[17:33:34] <Izaya> even OMEMO
L312[17:34:13] <ThePiGuy24> ill just carry
my old phone around, just with mobile data permanantly off
L313[17:34:31] <bad at
vijya> Izaya: speaking of
<bad at
vijya> Izaya: speaking ofL314[17:34:38] <Izaya> whatcha got
L315[17:34:39] <bad at
vijya> i should work on my thing:tm:
<bad at
vijya> i should work on my thing:tm:L316[17:35:00] <Izaya> so many projects to
do, so little time and motivation to do them
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L318[17:36:29] <bad at
vijya> jokes on you
<bad at
vijya> jokes on youL319[17:36:38] <bad at
vijya> i'm getting decently far with ls444
<bad at
vijya> i'm getting decently far with ls444L320[17:36:43] <bad at
vijya> i'm doing the hard part
<bad at
vijya> i'm doing the hard partL321[17:36:50] <bad at
vijya> which is netcode
<bad at
vijya> which is netcodeL322[17:40:13] <Forecaster> Lizzy Michiyo the carrier is
now in a system with a guardian beacon
<Forecaster> Lizzy Michiyo the carrier is
now in a system with a guardian beaconL323[17:41:00] <ThePiGuy24> aight it has
been purchased
L324[17:41:47] <Forecaster> and amanda
<Forecaster> and amandaL325[17:43:29] <bad at
vijya> i got prey
<bad at
vijya> i got preyL326[17:43:31] <bad at
vijya> it's fun
<bad at
vijya> it's funL327[17:48:21] <Forecaster> you might want to check out
the beacon if you've never seen one before
<Forecaster> you might want to check out
the beacon if you've never seen one beforeL328[17:48:36] <Forecaster> and you can collect keys
there that are used to unlock guardian tech
<Forecaster> and you can collect keys
there that are used to unlock guardian techL329[17:49:57] <Vaur>
%tonkout
<Vaur>
%tonkoutL330[17:49:57] <MichiBot> Geez! Vaur! You
beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 33 minutes and 35 seconds
(By 12 minutes and 31 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L331[17:49:58] <MichiBot> Vaur has tonked
out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.004
bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.10069,
Position #1
L332[17:50:04] <Forecaster> I did it but I realized the
ship I was in had no cargo space....
<Forecaster> I did it but I realized the
ship I was in had no cargo space....L333[17:50:07] <Forecaster> also dammit!
<Forecaster> also dammit!L334[17:50:38] <Vaur> I
was wanting to let it tick up more ... but I saw you typing and
panicked 😄
<Vaur> I
was wanting to let it tick up more ... but I saw you typing and
panicked 😄L335[17:51:20] <Izaya> discord mind games,
eh?
L336[17:52:40] <Vaur> yeah
... I know some people have blue shells waiting in the back
<Vaur> yeah
... I know some people have blue shells waiting in the backL337[17:52:46] <Vaur>
(that's going to hurt)
<Vaur>
(that's going to hurt)L338[17:54:14] <ThePiGuy24>
%shellcount
L339[17:54:14] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24: You
have 1 Blue Shell, 3 Red Shells, and 5 Green Shells
L340[17:54:36] <Forecaster> at least you can't get more
than one :P
<Forecaster> at least you can't get more
than one :PL341[17:59:01] <CompanionCube> ThePiGuy24:
re spying: https://privacyinternational.org/news-analysis/4359/victory-high-court-against-governments-use-general-warrants
L342[18:00:11] <ThePiGuy24> good
L343[18:00:41] <ThePiGuy24> but who's to
enforce it
L344[18:16:31] <Forecaster> Jeff
<Forecaster> JeffL345[18:16:40] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL346[18:16:41] <MichiBot> Potzblitz!
Forecaster! You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 26
minutes and 43 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L347[18:16:42] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 26 minutes and 43 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00045
tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.00548 more
points to pass ThePiGuy24!
L348[18:20:34] <Izaya> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Galilean_moon_Laplace_resonance_animation_2.gif
L349[18:21:51] <dequbed> ThePiGuy24: If
you truly have that little faith in the democratic institutions of
your country then there is little the EU could have done for you.
I'm not saying that you must put blind faith in the stability and
invincibility of your democracy, but you shouldn't just presume it
has been dissolved either.
L350[18:22:33] <ThePiGuy24> im just saying
that this country has a track record of not valuing peoples
privacy
L351[18:22:50] <ThePiGuy24> and thats put
lightly
L352[18:22:55] <dequbed> And it also has a
long and trusted track record of having a democracy.
L353[18:23:16] <ThePiGuy24>
"democracy"
L354[18:23:22] <dequbed> Previous
invasions of privacy have happened using this democracy, not
despite of it.
L355[18:23:33] <ThePiGuy24> as in, you can
choose which fuck you want to ruin the country next
L356[18:24:49] <dequbed> Exactly. You *get
to choose*.
L357[18:25:08] <dequbed> And if you
/don't/ vote for a fuck that fuck DOES NOT get to ruin your
country.
L358[18:26:33] <Izaya> dequbed, how would
I get an atmosphere that has the colours of oxidised copper? ie
blue-green
L359[18:26:41] <Izaya> does not have to be
human-friendly
L360[18:26:47] <dequbed> Ah, was about to
ask that.
L361[18:27:17] <dequbed> Uh.. do you need
to answer now? I'm currently building I can look up charts
later
L362[18:27:30] <Izaya> no I'm in no
rush
L363[18:27:41] <dequbed> Also blue-green
in mid-day or green evenings?
L364[18:27:59] <Izaya> was thinking
mid-day
L365[18:28:06] <dequbed> yikes
L366[18:28:09] <dequbed> That is one dead
planet
L367[18:28:15] <dequbed> Or one living on
UV alone
L368[18:31:15] <Izaya> apparently methane
largely provides neptune's blue
L369[18:33:11] <dequbed> Izaya: What class
star?
L370[18:35:47] <Izaya> either G or K
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L372[18:42:59] <dequbed> Izaya: Does an
atmosphere of gaseous Lithium sound acceptable? :P
L373[18:43:13] <Izaya> that sounds
excellent and I love it
L374[18:43:38] <dequbed> I was not being
serious <.<
L375[18:43:43] <dequbed> However, it would
in theory work.
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L377[18:44:58] <dequbed> I have no idea
how you plan on sciencing away an atmosphere made of /gaseous/
lithium but ... uh.... yeah. That would scatter light quite
effectively. Very greeeeeeen around the star going over blue to
purple the farther away you look.
L378[18:45:46] <Izaya> pretty
L379[18:46:04] <dequbed> We can get that
with more reasonable gas compositions as well.
L380[18:46:35] <dequbed> Do you take
something other than the metal that boils at 1600K?
L381[18:47:59] <Izaya> That does seem a
tad easier to handle.
L382[18:49:13] <dequbed> Something caustic
like a mostly chlorine atmosphere could work. Or slightly more
liveable, Sulfur oxides.
L383[18:50:27] <dequbed> You would then
see a lot of SO2 and SO3. If you find something to keep it in
balance, probably some molecular oxygen as well.
L384[18:51:10] <dequbed> With those you
could actually have a real atmosphere too as in something more than
the 0.01 bar you'd get with gaseous Li :P
L385[18:51:35] <Izaya> I saw a thing where
someone was evolving a biosphere from first principles
L386[18:52:14] <Izaya> and there were
plants that ran on some H/S molecule rather than
photosynthesising
L387[18:52:34] <Izaya> maybe the place
wouldn't need anything more than UV, eh?
L388[18:54:01] <Izaya> anyway, cursed
hydrogen sulfide based life wasn't the idea
L389[18:54:03] <Izaya> hmhm
L390[18:55:10] <dequbed> Izaya: So I just
checked the absorption lines and well ... yes. If you put
significant amounts of sulfur oxides (guesstimation some 20%) into
your atmosphere you will get a very vibrant green sky.
L391[18:55:31] <Izaya> :D
L392[18:55:39] <Izaya> that's a lot
L393[18:56:43] <Izaya> so you have charts
and graphs for this stuff? what do I need to look up so I can avoid
pestering you for these?
L394[18:58:39] <dequbed> Uh the primary
factor of atmospheric colour is Rayleigh scattering for any gaseous
substance. Rayleigh scattering is a physical process of particles
in general, and does not depend on elements in general.
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L396[18:59:30] <dequbed> However, it does
depend on the polarizability (if that is the english word for it)
of the particle in question. So I got myself a polarization chart
of different gases from NIST and got going :p
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L398[18:59:59] <dequbed> I don't have a
"This gas means this sky colour" chart that's usable
without the background knowledge sadly ... I should get on that
<.<
L399[19:00:01] <Vampyre> mornin
L400[19:00:21] <Izaya> > Rayleigh
scattering results from the electric polarizability of the
particles.
L401[19:00:28] <Izaya> well, that word is
right
L402[19:00:31] <Izaya> :D
L403[19:00:50] <Izaya> I'll do some
reading
L404[19:00:53] <Vampyre> interesting
confersation going on
L405[19:01:01] <Izaya> low-key regretting
not doing any sciences in year 11
L406[19:01:03] <Izaya> oh well
L407[19:01:27] <dequbed> Then, if you want
to actually calcuate the exact colours of your sky you have to also
take into account Mie scattering which is predominant when the
particle in question is about the same size as the wavelenght to be
scattered.
L408[19:01:52] <dequbed> You have that as
well of course since your atmosphere does not consist of pure,
atomic gases but also dust and debris.
L409[19:02:17] <dequbed> And large
molecues but I have not heard of those being a major factor for
visible light on /any/ planetary body.
L410[19:02:38] <Izaya> helium is stable as
an atomic gas, right?
L411[19:02:55] <dequbed> All noble gases
are rather stable as atoms.
L412[19:03:07] <Izaya> funny voice planet
tim,e
L413[19:03:15] <dequbed> That depends on
the amount of valence(?) electrons (Look, I learned that stuff in
german gimme a break)
L414[19:03:22] <Vampyre> maybe clouds of
some elements can be visible and have different colors ;-)
L415[19:03:37] <dequbed> Basically its one
of those "if you go down on the element chart it behaves about
exactly the same" things
L416[19:03:43] <Izaya> yeah
L417[19:03:56] <Izaya> noble gases have a
full outer shell and as such don't react with other elements
much
L418[19:04:28] <dequbed> Anyway, Helium is
a big nono in terms of polarizability because well ... it's fucking
Helium.
L419[19:04:35] <Izaya> :D
L420[19:06:01] <dequbed> Anyway, all of
that also of course depends on the spectral pattern of your star
but you can figure out that one :P
L421[19:06:59] <Izaya> basically you need
to figure out what will be best scattered by your atmospheric gases
and balance that against the bands of light your star puts out to
get the colours you want?
L422[19:07:00] <dequbed> And absorption
lines are of course also relevant because unless the energy
absorbed is enough to break apart the molecule (and even then) the
particle that does the absorbing will release that energy again.
But in a random direction
L423[19:07:11] <dequbed> Well no, not
quite
L424[19:07:34] <dequbed> Because above
point. If your atmosphere absorbs one wavelenght really really well
it will scatter that fucking *everywhere*
L425[19:07:47] <dequbed> Or make heat out
of it.
L426[19:08:57] <Izaya> "can I have
blue-green light?" "for atmospheric scattering?"
"yeeeeeees" *actually absorbs, resulting in
heating*
L427[19:09:11] <dequbed> Well
L428[19:09:39] <dequbed> See absorption
bands are the driving factor for most of the energy that reaches
your planet.
L429[19:10:03] <Vampyre> wouldn't a
blue/green looking atmosphere not mostly absorb red?
L430[19:10:35] <dequbed> uh... no.
L431[19:11:49] <Vampyre> well, green
plants adsorb blue and red mostly
L432[19:12:07] <Vampyre> that's why
they're green, ain't it?
L433[19:13:42] <dequbed> Izaya: Anyway,
the really fun parts starts there because that absorption also
affects polarization and is (one of) the reasons why our atmosphere
is polarized etc.
L434[19:14:21] <dequbed> And at that point
you're basically studying astrophysics. Which is fun, really!
Buuuut maybe a bit much just for writing a book :P
L435[19:16:30] <dequbed> Vampyre: Well ...
you're conflating a few different things here. The reason why the
sky is blue is due to the sun being more or less a parallel source.
Plants and all dye colours are based on absorbing (and respectively
turning into heat) all /other/ wavelenghts and thus appearing one
colour.
L436[19:17:42] <Michiyo> @Forecaster what
is a guardian beacon? lol
L437[19:18:56] <Vampyre> yah, ok, but if
we are talking planet colors from the outside, that changes
L438[19:19:12] <Vampyre> earth is not blue
if you look at it from space
L439[19:19:23] <Vampyre> mostly green and
blue
L440[19:19:34] <Vampyre> blue because of
the water even
L441[19:19:46] <Forecaster> Michiyo: A large satellite
made by an ancient race of beings called the Guardians
<Forecaster> Michiyo: A large satellite
made by an ancient race of beings called the GuardiansL442[19:20:13] <dequbed> Vampyre: No,
earth is blue from space. Very much so
L443[19:20:25] <Vampyre> but also above
land?
L444[19:20:43] <dequbed> Yes
L445[19:21:35] <Vampyre> no, really, it's
not ;-)
L446[19:22:01] <Vampyre> earths blue is
because of the water if you look from the outside, and indead all
the scattering if you look from the inside
L448[19:23:05] <dequbed> Vampyre: You're
not even wrong but you're not right for the reasons you think you
are :p
L449[19:23:28] <Vampyre> heh, well,
ok
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L454[20:55:19] <Eiim> I'm quite new to OC,
although I've tinkered around with CC before, and I'm trying to use
the GPU. I see of the wiki under "Budget and Energy
Costs" is a section on buffers, but none of the commands seem
to exist. Do they just not exist yet in 1.7.5.192? A bit of looking
around on GH suggested that may be the case, but I'm not
certain.
L455[20:56:42] <ThePiGuy24> no they are only available in
the dev builds at the moment
<ThePiGuy24> no they are only available in
the dev builds at the momentL456[20:56:51] <Bob> ^ no
reason to use CF releases at this point lol
<Bob> ^ no
reason to use CF releases at this point lolL458[20:57:26] <Eiim> thanks!
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L460[21:10:40] <Forecaster> oh wow, the E:D server just
went down completely
<Forecaster> oh wow, the E:D server just
went down completelyL461[21:11:04] <Forecaster> @Ariri I saw you online
earlier did you also get disconnected?
<Forecaster> @Ariri I saw you online
earlier did you also get disconnected?L462[21:14:01] <Forecaster> now the launcher says OK
again, hopefully it works now
<Forecaster> now the launcher says OK
again, hopefully it works nowL463[21:15:45] <Amanda> %choose try and
save your corrosive gas or scribble on Inari's napkins
L464[21:15:45] <MichiBot> Amanda: Hold on
tightly! "try and save your corrosive gas" is a wild
ride!
L465[21:16:39] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL466[21:16:39] <MichiBot> Geez! Vaur! You
beat Forecaster's previous record of 26 minutes and 43 seconds (By
2 hours, 33 minutes and 14 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L467[21:16:40] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 2 hours, 59 minutes and 58 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00255 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L468[21:17:13] <Vaur> ...
sigh
<Vaur> ...
sighL469[21:22:56] <Amanda> know what. I'm
going to give up on my progress from the 27th, I can't be bothered
trying to undo this food death spiral over and over
L470[21:24:36] <Forecaster> those are fun
<Forecaster> those are funL472[21:26:10] <MichiBot> Sat Jan 09
17:55:51 UTC 2021 @SaphireLattice: Woohoo! <https://t.co/tWOlPXov0H>
L474[21:29:49] <MichiBot> The WORST
Money I've Ever Spent | length: 15m 25s | Likes:
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L475[21:30:15] <Forecaster> Lets all put our routers
inside faraday cages to protect us against harmful waves!
<Forecaster> Lets all put our routers
inside faraday cages to protect us against harmful waves!L476[21:38:16] <Forecaster> they're actually some kind of
organizers for papers or booklets and similar, but they're charging
10x the price for them as "signal blockers"
<Forecaster> they're actually some kind of
organizers for papers or booklets and similar, but they're charging
10x the price for them as "signal blockers"L477[21:38:43] <Bob>
they're somehow making money
<Bob>
they're somehow making moneyL478[21:38:45] <Bob> and
thats what counts
<Bob> and
thats what countsL479[21:40:20] <Forecaster> it's a disgusting scam
<Forecaster> it's a disgusting scamL480[21:42:08] <Bob> of
course it is
<Bob> of
course it isL481[21:56:30] <MGR>
Sadly, people fall for that sort of thing 😦
<MGR>
Sadly, people fall for that sort of thing 😦L482[22:15:31]
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L484[22:17:55] <Forecaster> yeah people being ignorant
enough to fall for it is bad, but preying on that ignorance is
just....
<Forecaster> yeah people being ignorant
enough to fall for it is bad, but preying on that ignorance is
just....L485[22:19:32] ***
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L486[22:22:48] <Ariri>
@Forecaster I was away watching Bloodshot but my client hasn’t
disconnected (it usually does after being put to sleep) so I think
it was a brief interrupt
<Ariri>
@Forecaster I was away watching Bloodshot but my client hasn’t
disconnected (it usually does after being put to sleep) so I think
it was a brief interruptL487[22:23:00] <Ariri>
Some chatter in AXI seems to agree
<Ariri>
Some chatter in AXI seems to agreeL488[22:23:10] <Forecaster> it was, the servers went down
for a little bit
<Forecaster> it was, the servers went down
for a little bitL489[22:46:45] ⇦
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L492[23:26:01] <Bob> how
come `component.internet.request(...)` is callable 🤔 or was this
fixed
<Bob> how
come `component.internet.request(...)` is callable 🤔 or was this
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