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L3[00:26:42] <Phoenixa> What why is everyblock you look at highlighted green when holding a tablet?
L4[00:29:37] <Amanda> To show what the tablet scanner would scan
L5[00:29:48] <Amanda> Long-right-click
L6[00:33:32] <Phoenixa> Where is the documentation for it?
L7[00:34:17] <Ko​dos> ~w geolyzer
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L9[00:40:06] <Phoenixa> Wait what.
L10[00:40:43] <Phoenixa> Tad bit confused.
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L12[00:48:49] <Kristo​pher38> Phoenixa: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/releases/tag/v1.7.5
L13[00:49:05] <Kristo​pher38> at the top of the changelog
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L15[00:51:46] <Phoenixa> Kay cool gotcha.
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L17[01:35:03] <Amanda> @kristopher38 ftr, the green square existed before my pr
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L19[01:37:15] <Amanda> The geolyzer as you guessed also had support
L20[01:38:30] <Ar​iri> Izaya: *violent shaking* https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceengineers/comments/khtv1o/my_daily_sacrifice_to_clang_maybe_a_landing_gear/
L21[01:49:47] <Michiyo> LMAO
L22[01:50:03] <Michiyo> A pretty decent headbang there for a second
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L24[02:02:15] <ThePiGuy24> unworthy sacrifice
L25[02:16:20] <Vampyre> I realized my machine was missing a very important processor, the Electronics Assembler... So it can now ceate robots, servers, microcontrollers and drones
L26[02:16:27] <Vampyre> In theory it can now create a robot, load it up with a rack, a server and some components, and go replicate it self somewhere
L27[02:16:33] <Vampyre> I know of no examples in history or fiction where this ever went horribly wrong...
L28[02:33:35] * CompanionCube is reminded of Izaya's drone swarm, how close did that get?
L29[02:36:33] <Vampyre> drone swarms, now there is an idea
L30[02:37:07] <Vampyre> I do plan on trowing a drone through an end portal at one point, so it can build me a mining station there
L31[02:37:27] * Vampyre aint leaving the overworld... ;-)
L32[02:41:51] <Izaya> careful
L33[02:42:20] <Izaya> enough drones in a swarm will crash the server
L34[02:55:16] * Amanda looks around for her fairy fren
L35[02:55:36] * Amanda finds Elfi in the medow, curls up around, zzzmews
L36[02:55:39] <Amanda> Night nerds
L37[03:22:04] <ThePiGuy24> %tonk
L38[03:22:04] <MichiBot> Yow! ThePi​Guy24! You beat Ko​dos's previous record of 5 hours, 43 minutes and 16 seconds (By 1 hour, 23 minutes and 1 second)! I hope you're happy!
L39[03:22:05] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24's new record is 7 hours, 6 minutes and 17 seconds! ThePiGuy24 also gained 0.00828 (0.00138 x 6) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #6. Need 0.04117056 more points to pass Li​zzy!
L40[03:27:19] <Vampyre> oh, Izaya, I think microcontrollers don't really make good item routers, as you can't add inventory addons to them, or did I overlook something
L41[03:27:25] <Vampyre> (robots do though)
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L43[03:35:58] <Izaya> try a transposer instead
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L46[03:52:33] <Vampyre> transposers can't move items to other transposers sadly
L47[03:52:45] <Vampyre> would love if they could, then I'd just chain them all up
L48[03:53:24] <Vampyre> can use a chest in between them, but I really also don't want to add more transposers
L49[03:53:48] <Izaya> haha yeah
L50[03:54:26] <Izaya> no uC inventories though, unfortunately
L51[03:54:42] <Vampyre> yah, that would be ideal
L52[03:54:59] <Vampyre> they still make good remote controlled redstone blocks though
L53[03:58:13] <Izaya> yee
L54[03:58:23] <Izaya> I use them for servers
L55[04:01:29] <Izaya> fuckin
L56[04:01:54] <Izaya> still can't get over the modem module in this thing running linux and emulating a hayes modem
L57[04:04:30] <ThePiGuy24> send it AT commands over SSH :p
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L61[05:02:01] <Vampyre> robots use() description on https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:robot is likely outdated? It's missing the 2nd face argument
L62[05:02:10] <Vampyre> this is in the scala code:
L63[05:02:11] <Vampyre> function(side:number[, face:number=side[, sneaky:boolean=false[, duration:number=0]]]):boolean, string -- Perform a 'right click' towards the specified side. The `face' allows a more precise click calibration, and is relative to the targeted blockspace.")
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L66[05:29:04] <ThePiGuy24> ‭h‮h
L67[05:29:20] <ThePiGuy24> oops
L68[05:29:53] <ThePiGuy24> still not sure why backspace is placed directly above enter
L69[05:30:16] <Michiyo> I can't upgrade python on my hexchat because of other python 2 addons
L70[05:30:19] <Michiyo> bleh
L71[05:30:29] <Michiyo> I'll try to figure out how to fix the Py2 version.. lol
L72[05:31:07] <ThePiGuy24> all i really did to make it work was check whether something was an expected value, and make it one if it wasnt
L73[05:31:36] <ThePiGuy24> and im still not sure why it has issues with the new version
L74[05:32:05] <ThePiGuy24> its still py2 compatible
L75[05:32:29] <ThePiGuy24> unless the way hexchat interperets them has changed
L76[05:32:30] <Michiyo> Well, it crashes hexchat so *something* isn't compatible
L77[05:32:51] <Michiyo> The whole empty extra ping list doesn't bother me, the eating characters in tab does lol
L78[05:33:00] <ThePiGuy24> does unloading then loading it work?
L79[05:34:13] <ThePiGuy24> judging by your lack of response, im guessing hexchat has crashed again...
L80[05:34:53] <Michiyo> lol, yeah
L81[05:35:55] <Michiyo> Hmm
L82[05:36:20] <Michiy​o 1234> Test
L83[05:36:25] <Michiyo> @"Michiy​o 134"
L84[05:36:27] <Michiyo> yeaaaah
L85[05:36:43] <Michiyo> 1.12 loaded this time
L86[05:36:43] <ThePiGuy24> still works fine here
L87[05:36:57] <ThePiGuy24> i honestly have no clue as to what could even be causing that
L88[05:38:36] <ThePiGuy24> given the crashes and that issue, i have a slight suspicion that your hexchat might be broken
L89[05:39:45] <Michiy​o 1234> Test
L90[05:39:49] <Michiyo> @"Michiy​o 134"
L91[05:39:51] <Michiyo> ...
L92[05:40:07] <Michiyo> I unloaded everything except this addon this time
L93[05:40:09] <Michiyo> >_>
L94[05:40:45] <ThePiGuy24> hmm
L95[05:42:31] <Michiy​o 1234> I'm reinstalling HexChat
L96[05:45:29] <Michiy​o 1234> Test
L97[05:45:46] <Michiyo> @"Michiyo 1234"
L98[05:45:50] <ThePiGuy24> yay
L99[05:46:00] <Michiyo> I actually only upgraded Python
L100[05:46:02] <Michiyo> lol
L101[05:46:06] <ThePiGuy24> huh
L102[05:46:26] <Michiyo> Yeah, looks like *something* doesn't like 2
L103[05:46:33] <Michiyo> Now... to see if my other addons work
L104[05:46:37] <ThePiGuy24> %blame
L105[05:46:37] * MichiBot blames for 1 not equalling 2
L106[05:47:04] <ThePiGuy24> beautiful
L107[05:48:51] <Michiyo> Ok, looks like my other addons work well enough
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L110[05:48:56] <Michiyo> Thanks ThePiGuy24
L111[05:49:08] <ThePiGuy24> np i guess
L112[05:49:42] <ThePiGuy24> even though i didnt do much other than make the script a little less jank and give you the idea of reinstalling :p
L113[06:31:56] <Michiy​o 1234> Test
L114[06:32:52] <ThePiGuy24> Test succeeded failurely
L115[06:32:55] <Michiy​o 1234> Test2
L116[06:32:59] <Michiyo> haha nice
L117[06:34:30] <Michiyo> I removed the elif for ( and ), and instead make it check the botlist array
L118[06:36:06] <ThePi​Guy24> @ThePiGuy24 test
L119[06:36:18] <ThePiGuy24> yep that works about as expected
L120[06:36:32] <ThePiGuy24> not sure why i was thinking it wouldnt
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L138[11:18:02] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L139[11:18:03] <MichiBot> Bingo! Forec​aster! You beat ThePi​Guy24's previous record of 7 hours, 6 minutes and 17 seconds (By 49 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L140[11:18:04] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.007 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.7500285. Position #2 Need 0.09275141 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L141[12:59:48] <Izaya> free: https://www.gog.com/game/brigador_deluxe_edition
L142[13:00:32] <Izaya> ... if you have GOG Galaxy
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L145[13:01:40] <Izaya> I guess that will be a trend going forward.
L146[13:01:47] <Izaya> Fuck Linux users, I guess. Typical from GOG.
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L149[13:10:10] <Inari> Ugh
L150[13:11:00] <Inari> node-sqlite3 has callbacks that set the "this" argument to something with interesting info, like last row ID inserted if you ran an INSERT.... but how do I keep that info while also being able to access the class
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L152[13:15:03] <Inari> Since it also returns the Database Object in the "this", I can do like `(this.db as any).parentClass = this;` I guess
L153[13:15:07] <Inari> even if thats kinda ugly
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L155[13:24:55] <czr> .
L156[13:26:01] <ThePiGuy24> interesting take, but i like to think of it more like -
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L158[13:28:25] <ThePiGuy24> shame, that was such and intelligent conversation
L159[13:30:25] <Vampyre> !
L160[13:30:33] <Vampyre> and good morning ;-)
L161[13:30:43] <Kristo​pher38> ?
L162[13:30:50] <Izaya> ;
L163[13:37:01] <ThePiGuy24> ь
L164[13:38:25] <Kristo​pher38> where should configs for external software be stored on OpenOS?
L165[13:38:51] <ThePiGuy24> in the root of a random filesystem
L166[13:38:54] <Kristo​pher38> `/etc`? `/usr/etc`?
L167[13:39:25] <Amanda> `/etc`
L168[13:39:26] <Vampyre> in the registry
L169[13:39:31] <Vampyre> use regedit
L170[13:41:06] <Kristo​pher38> ah yes, regedit, my favourite tool on OpenOS
L171[13:41:21] <Kristo​pher38> anyway, thanks Amanda
L172[13:41:28] <Vampyre> very functional tool ;-)
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L174[13:41:48] <Izaya> cursed idea
L175[13:41:55] <Izaya> map the registry as a drive
L176[13:42:07] <Amanda> Izaya: That's what PowerShell does
L177[13:42:17] <Izaya> what
L178[13:42:21] <Vampyre> really?
L179[13:42:24] <Amanda> HKCU:\\some\current-user\registry\key
L180[13:42:47] <Vampyre> and those are file objects?
L181[13:42:53] <Amanda> file-like
L182[13:43:03] <Vampyre> Did powershell finally follow the everything is a file unix tradition?
L183[13:43:08] <Vampyre> amazing
L184[13:43:19] <Izaya> everything is an object
L185[13:43:28] <Amanda> PowerShell fakes fuse, but only for powershell cmdlets, and there's absolutely no compat for native binaries
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L188[13:43:44] <Vampyre> aah, that sounds very powershelish indeed
L189[13:44:04] <ThePiGuy24> now if my internet could stop dropping out that would be nice
L190[13:47:28] <Izaya> neat, valve fixed rumble emulation with the steam controller
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L198[14:24:23] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L199[14:24:24] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 6 minutes and 20 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L200[14:24:25] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 6 minutes and 20 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00311)
L201[14:27:32] <Inari> map your monitor as a drive
L202[14:27:32] <Inari> :D
L203[14:28:01] <Forec​aster> Map your brain as a drive
L204[14:31:14] <Kristo​pher38> so I can light up individual pixels?
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L208[14:53:42] <Forec​aster> brain pixels!
L209[14:59:23] <Vampyre> I suppose that is what Elon's brain interface does. just mounts your brain to /user
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L214[16:15:57] <dequbed> Vampyre: More likely /srv; world-readable.
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L224[17:03:39] <Forec​aster> @Vexatos you were right, seems it was a plugin issue
L225[17:03:51] <Forec​aster> now to figure out which plugin I apparently have that is broken
L226[17:05:07] <Forec​aster> or maybe just nevermind until I realize I need a plugin for something...
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L229[17:09:14] <Vexatos> aren't I always right :)
L230[17:09:15] * Vexatos runs
L231[17:09:45] <Forec​aster> turns out the plugins weren't in the appdata dir as I thought, which is why clearing that didn't fix it
L232[17:10:27] <Forec​aster> but once I cleared the plugin dir in the install dir, and then re-installed to get the default plugins back (which it apparently needs) it started again
L233[17:53:57] <Ko​dos> %tonk
L234[17:53:58] <MichiBot> Dagnabbit! Ko​dos! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 3 hours, 6 minutes and 20 seconds (By 23 minutes and 13 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L235[17:53:59] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 3 hours, 29 minutes and 34 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.00156 (0.00039 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.09515663 more points to pass Forec​aster!
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L237[18:30:33] <Amanda> Hello yes, I
L238[18:30:41] <Amanda> Hello yes, I'd like to know who stole all my CPU cycles?
L239[18:30:55] <Amanda> I feel like I'm half-asleep, have all day
L240[18:32:04] * Michiyo cranks up the nice value on the crypto mining processes and whistles innocently
L241[18:32:21] * Amanda eyes Michiyo suspiciously
L242[18:37:57] <Vampyre> if they were processing cookies at that moment, cookie monster. Obviously.
L243[18:39:33] <Vampyre> does anyone ever get the feeling of being a warcraft peon when you finish some job or task, and just wat to shout job done!? Or is that just me
L244[18:40:14] <Vampyre> this planet needs stupid task peons
L245[18:45:31] <Amanda> dequbed: I remain unconvinced that the human mind is same-y enough to make a geneal-purpose brain interface at our current tech level, don't totally different areas light up for similar simulous in fMRIs still?
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L247[18:49:01] <Vampyre> the mind is just a big wave function, integrated over some short amount of time
L248[18:49:39] <Vampyre> Kurzweil and his singularity place enough computational power in our hands to evaluate that function in about 20 years
L249[18:49:50] <Vampyre> so... meh
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L251[18:49:59] <Vampyre> skynet ftw soon
L252[18:55:20] <Vexatos> Vampyre, people can't even compute a wave function with 2 atoms
L253[18:56:53] <Vampyre> quantum computing also ftw ;-)
L254[18:57:07] <Izaya> ah yes
L255[18:57:19] <Izaya> don't just compute every possibility
L256[18:57:28] <Vampyre> you don't need to model it as a single big wave function, that would only be gettable if you would freeze a brain to 0K
L257[18:57:29] <Izaya> compute EVERY possibility, always, forever, instantly
L258[18:57:45] <Vampyre> so, computers, some clever software, and boom, working brain model
L259[18:58:22] <Vampyre> and even then, to add to this
L260[18:58:38] <Vampyre> this is modeling brains, but brains are not the only source of intelligene
L261[18:58:50] <Vampyre> AI is modeling intelligence, so maybe we can go that route too
L262[18:58:55] <Amanda> I don't think we even have programmable quantum computers yet? They
L263[18:59:05] <Amanda> 're "programmed" bu manually loading various things into the reaction area
L264[18:59:28] <Vampyre> yah, IBM has atleast 11 bits of real confirmed, everybody agrees qubits working
L265[18:59:47] <Vampyre> and the zwave things are pretty entry okey as quantum enhanced computers
L266[18:59:56] <Vampyre> so, we're getting there
L267[19:00:05] <Vampyre> 5 more years and it's in your phone
L268[19:00:30] <Vampyre> phone with a big cryostat helium cooker or something
L269[19:00:47] <Vampyre> cooler*
L270[19:01:51] <Izaya> a helium cooker sounds neat
L271[19:02:03] <Vexatos> Vampyre, quantum computing cannot help with wave functions
L272[19:02:14] <Vampyre> yes it can?
L273[19:02:19] <Amanda> They're currently the size of cargo containers, in datacentres with precise temperature control, I doubt quantum computing will be miniturised and temperature-indifferent in 5 years
L274[19:02:21] <Vexatos> in fact there's few things in the world quantum computers would be worse at
L275[19:02:38] <Vexatos> quantum computers can only do statistical computations, whereas wave functions are entirely deterministic
L276[19:02:48] <Vampyre> chemical quantum simulations are one of the main goals of quantum computing
L277[19:02:56] <Vampyre> like protine folding and stuff
L278[19:02:56] <Vexatos> well I am a quantum chemist
L279[19:03:03] <Vexatos> and I can tell you that's not how it works
L280[19:03:09] <Vexatos> well protein folding is not quantum chemistry
L281[19:03:15] <Vampyre> well, then why does it not work like that?
L282[19:03:16] <Vexatos> it uses statistical mechanics
L283[19:03:18] <Vexatos> which is, well
L284[19:03:19] <Vexatos> statistical
L285[19:03:41] <Vampyre> yes, but it still can simulate real quantum processes
L286[19:03:44] <Vexatos> no
L287[19:03:47] <Vampyre> it's not just the computing part
L288[19:03:52] <Vexatos> it simulates electromechanical processes
L289[19:04:18] <Vexatos> current quantum chemical methods are so expensive that only very few proteins have ever been calculated with them
L290[19:04:19] <Amanda> quantum computers are designed to collapse probibility curves, AIUI
L291[19:04:48] <Vampyre> well, that's my point, quantum computing makes them less expensive, no?
L292[19:04:54] <Vampyre> regardless then of technically how
L293[19:05:18] <Vexatos> no
L294[19:05:26] <Vexatos> quantum mechanics is inherently 100% deterministic
L295[19:05:33] <Vexatos> there is 0 statistics inside
L296[19:05:35] <Vampyre> so quantum computing can do nothing for quantum chemistry?
L297[19:05:39] <Vexatos> pretty much
L298[19:05:47] <Vexatos> even multithreading doesn't help
L299[19:05:51] <Vampyre> that I find hard to beleive, but ok
L300[19:06:01] <Vexatos> quantum chemical calculations run on like 16 cores at most, and only because of the matrix multiplication libraries
L301[19:06:10] <Vexatos> the process itself is single-threaded
L302[19:07:06] <Ar​iri> Izaya: https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/kiaa5i/the_art_of_crashlanding/
L303[19:07:09] <Amanda> just because they both start with quantum doesn't mean they're related or compatible
L304[19:07:11] <Vexatos> wave functions are probability curves but you don't care about the actual value of the wave function until the very end, the hard part is getting the wave function itself, and that's completely without statistics
L305[19:07:51] <Vampyre> well, I would care about the whole function, not just the collapse, but never mind ;-)
L306[19:08:02] <Izaya> Ariri: absolutely nailed it, damn
L307[19:08:19] <Vexatos> well the thing is that quantum computers can't help with that type of stuff
L308[19:08:33] <Izaya> I've dampened landings by launching heat shields before but that's next level
L309[19:12:15] <Amanda> quantum is literally just latin for "very very small" isn't it?
L310[19:12:37] <Vampyre> no, it's from quanta
L311[19:12:45] <Vampyre> piece or part or something?
L312[19:12:49] <Amanda> ah
L313[19:12:50] <Vampyre> I think, not sure
L314[19:13:23] <Vexatos> it means "how much"
L315[19:13:35] <Vexatos> a quantum in quantum mechanics is just a discrete amount of something
L316[19:13:54] <Vampyre> yah, that ;-)
L317[19:13:59] <Vexatos> the concept of quantum mechanics is the concept that everything exists as an integer multiple of some smallest discrete unit
L318[19:14:14] <Vampyre> nature doesn't understand real numbers
L319[19:14:24] <Vexatos> and that some things can only exist as certain discrete values
L320[19:14:27] <Vampyre> might not even understand zero, does definatly not understand infinity
L321[19:16:08] <Vexatos> energy of particles for example always exists as discrete values, never anything inbetween
L322[19:16:12] <Vampyre> so, in the meanwhile, I now have a big memory leak
L323[19:16:52] <Vampyre> is there some way to get a memory dump on crash of an server when it goes out of memory?
L324[19:17:01] <Vampyre> want to check what I'm leaking
L325[19:19:35] <Izaya> you're leaking blood
L326[19:19:40] <Izaya> should probably get that checked out
L327[19:20:04] <Vampyre> that... would be a very waste of some good blood
L328[19:20:25] <Vampyre> I'll just go to my standard donor bank and get some more
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L330[19:25:27] <Ar​iri> Izaya: now the reverse, explosive de-entry https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/ki6swp/ksp_breaking_everything_dlc/
L331[19:26:08] <Izaya> there was a mod that added everyone's favourite "nuclear bombs to orbit" engines, wasn't there?
L332[19:26:29] <Ar​iri> I think so
L333[19:27:58] <i develo​p things> tfw have 2 minecraft instances open and can't even tell
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L335[19:55:57] <dequbed> Amanda: More or less. As expected by Musk his BCI looks closer to a scam than to actual science.
L336[19:57:54] <Amanda> dequbed: but they tested it on pigs! You know, the closest analog to human brains!
L337[19:58:27] <dequbed> Amanda: Well no. The nerve connection thingy is actually fine. All the other parts ... not so.
L338[19:59:42] <dequbed> In short: What Musk sells as next-gen BCI *may* help some people with prothesis to drive said prothesis. Everything /above that/ is probably more hot air and dreaming than science. See also; the hyperloop whitepaper.
L339[20:12:10] <Forec​aster> Elon Musk overselling something? impossible
L340[20:12:30] <Forec​aster> next you'll tell us solar roadways are stupid
L341[20:23:32] * Saphire yawns
L342[20:23:41] <Saphire> So anyone knows Space station 13?
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L346[20:25:35] <Amanda> I think AC's been playing that
L347[20:25:35] <Forec​aster> adorable catgirl or whatever they're named now was playing that I think
L348[20:26:29] <i develo​p things> bad at vijya
L349[20:26:51] <Forec​aster> that's the one
L350[20:26:52] <bad at​ vijya> hi
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L352[20:36:05] <prisma> new record for crashing win10
L353[20:36:07] <prisma> six bsods
L354[20:36:09] <prisma> in an hour
L355[20:36:21] <prisma> and all I wanted to do is copy some files ._.
L356[20:36:49] <Forec​aster> how naïve of you!
L357[20:37:22] <prisma> well new personal record anyway
L358[20:37:45] <prisma> i managed to kill the ntfs driver somehow
L359[20:38:17] <Izaya> I feel like the NTFS driver is probably one of the more resilient parts of the system, too
L360[20:38:23] <i develo​p things> yikes
L361[20:38:35] <prisma> hell, I think I fuckered my install
L362[20:38:35] <Izaya> it's not strictly related to the win32 part, after all, so I imagine the code quality would be significantly better
L363[20:38:47] <Vampyre> Izaya, mehhh....
L364[20:38:49] <prisma> I tried to play some video aaaaand it died
L365[20:39:10] <prisma> atleast I recovered the files off of my supposedly dead USB
L366[20:39:18] <prisma> where the head came clean off
L367[20:39:28] <Izaya> well anyway
L368[20:39:44] <Izaya> now is your chance to switch to a slightly more reliable system full-time :)
L369[20:40:24] <Vampyre> ReactOS for instance! ;-)
L370[20:40:31] <prisma> I wish I could switch to Linux.
L371[20:40:36] <Forec​aster> OpenOS
L372[20:40:37] <prisma> But, I have no internet connection at home.
L373[20:40:39] <Izaya> iunno man that still has win32 involved
L374[20:40:41] <Forec​aster> 100% reliable
L375[20:40:43] <prisma> That means no downloading Steam games or Proton.
L376[20:40:51] <prisma> So I'm.. basically stuck with Windows.
L377[20:40:59] <prisma> It pains me.
L378[20:41:03] <Izaya> for sanity purposes, you want to stay as far away from win32 as possible
L379[20:41:08] <prisma> this tbh
L380[20:42:02] <Izaya> why can't you download them elsewhere though
L381[20:42:15] <prisma> i have to go to an internet cafe to download stuff (which is where I am now)
L382[20:42:21] <prisma> and their computers run windows
L383[20:42:22] <Izaya> yeah but like
L384[20:42:26] <Izaya> that's no problem
L385[20:42:35] <Izaya> grab a -GE or -tkg build of proton and download the game
L386[20:42:45] <prisma> what if the game requests stuff like .NET?
L387[20:43:06] <prisma> and I imagine it's not as simple as just copying the windows files over to linux
L388[20:43:06] <Izaya> grab the redists and put them into the cache
L389[20:43:13] <prisma> huh, it's that simple?
L390[20:43:29] <Izaya> mostly
L391[20:44:06] <prisma> i mean, i don't exactly plan to pay for this copy of windows (it's not connected to the net so it can't tell if it's activated)
L392[20:44:16] <prisma> so i'd love to switch to linux
L393[20:44:22] <prisma> and be rid of the horror that is Windows 10
L394[20:44:38] <Izaya> do you have a laptop
L395[20:44:42] <prisma> used to
L396[20:44:47] <prisma> i had a thinkpad t420s
L397[20:45:00] <Izaya> was gonna say, if you did, just rip the drive out of your desktop and take it to a library or something
L398[20:45:08] <Izaya> use their wifi to set up your games
L399[20:45:16] <Izaya> then play them at home
L400[20:45:17] <prisma> i mean
L401[20:45:20] <prisma> i have a SATA to USB kit
L402[20:45:21] <i develo​p things> the real question is why do you have no internet at home
L403[20:45:38] <prisma> i have caregivers unfortunately
L404[20:46:05] <prisma> well, it's not *their* choice, it's their manager's choice
L405[20:46:58] <Izaya> well, I just ran find
L406[20:47:24] <prisma> what were you trying to find?
L407[20:47:29] <Izaya> ~/.local/share/steam/steamapps/common/Steamworks\ Shared/_CommonRedist has a bunch of redists
L408[20:47:41] <prisma> like, the .NET exes?
L409[20:48:00] <Izaya> https://w1r3.net/stsYZw.txt
L410[20:48:11] <prisma> so.. I just drop 'em in there?
L411[20:48:19] <Izaya> guess so
L412[20:48:23] <prisma> Huh. Neat.
L413[20:48:33] <Izaya> even if that didn't work
L414[20:48:45] <prisma> Oh, fuck, I just realized
L415[20:48:48] <Izaya> you could always use protontricks or do it manually
L416[20:48:52] <prisma> How do I install Steam on a completely airgapped system?
L417[20:48:55] <Izaya> and install the redists the normal way
L418[20:49:04] <Izaya> ... with difficulty
L419[20:49:11] <prisma> I can't connect my account
L420[20:49:21] <prisma> waaaaait
L421[20:49:22] <prisma> what if
L422[20:49:23] <prisma> i use a vm
L423[20:49:24] <Izaya> may I suggest to you a little bit of crime?
L424[20:49:25] <prisma> install steam there
L425[20:49:28] <prisma> copy the files over
L426[20:49:32] <Izaya> oh yeah that'd work
L427[20:49:59] <prisma> Izaya: not crime if you already own the games ;)
L428[20:50:11] <Izaya> solid argument
L429[20:50:16] <prisma> i mean, i doubt this PC could run any Steam game
L430[20:50:19] <prisma> It can't even run Minecraft
L431[20:50:20] <Izaya> I'm pretty sure the law agrees with you there, too
L432[20:50:29] <Vampyre> if you have enough hard drive space you can repartition, make a vm use the new partition as it's own, and later switch the vm to be your real machine
L433[20:50:35] <Vampyre> can even keep multiboot if you want
L434[20:50:36] <Izaya> won't stop companies from harassing you over it though
L435[20:50:49] <prisma> wait, if you already own a piece of media, you can torrent it legally?
L436[20:51:02] <prisma> am I understanding this correctly
L437[20:51:17] <Izaya> no, but you are allowed to have a copy of it
L438[20:51:34] <prisma> so like.. backups?
L439[20:51:35] <Izaya> so as long as you're not caught torrenting it, you're all g, more or less
L440[20:51:50] <Izaya> that's why the clause is in there, yeah
L441[20:51:54] <Izaya> backups of property
L442[20:52:06] <prisma> oh nice
L443[20:52:07] <prisma> TIL
L444[20:52:21] <Izaya> and yeah copying a VM straight onto a hard drive is a workable solution
L445[20:52:25] <prisma> redistribution is a big no no tho iirc
L446[20:52:32] <prisma> even if you DO own it
L447[20:52:34] <Izaya> yeah it's the redistribution they don't like
L448[20:52:39] <Izaya> or, can get you for
L449[20:52:48] <Izaya> really, they don't like the ownership part
L450[20:52:56] <prisma> speaking of that, i have to go thru and fix a whole bunch of ID3 tags
L451[20:52:58] <prisma> *by hand*
L452[20:53:00] <Izaya> you should pay them every time you think about their "intellectual property"
L453[20:53:08] <Izaya> though a more ... cursed option is
L454[20:53:10] <Izaya> and hear me out here
L455[20:53:11] <prisma> DRM bad, can't change my mind
L456[20:53:14] <Izaya> external hard drive
L457[20:53:22] <prisma> wdym?
L458[20:53:30] <Vampyre> second that
L459[20:53:31] <Izaya> raw disk image, put your root FS onto a file on the external hard drive
L460[20:53:43] <prisma> also
L461[20:53:48] <prisma> %xkcd 488
L462[20:53:48] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Steal This Comic URL: https://xkcd.com/488
L463[20:53:49] <prisma> relevant xkcd
L464[20:54:03] <Izaya> set it up with enough of a bootloader than you can mount your rootfs from a loop device pointing at the file
L465[20:54:24] <prisma> that sounds more cursed than gudASM
L466[20:54:34] <Izaya> then you can use it both as a virtual machine and a bare-metal OS
L467[20:54:36] <Vampyre> few grub lines, easy enough
L468[20:54:51] <prisma> also, i'm thinking of building a PC, what do you guys think of https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/sH8XVc?
L469[20:55:19] <Izaya> 3200G is cute
L470[20:55:31] <Izaya> don't know enough about the rest to comment
L471[20:55:31] <Vampyre> lovely case
L472[20:55:52] <prisma> Izaya: cute as in..?
L473[20:55:54] <Izaya> I don't suppose dumpster diving for stuff is an option?
L474[20:56:02] <prisma> Nope.
L475[20:56:03] <Vampyre> ripjaws are good, coolermaster is fineish (noctura fan here)
L476[20:56:22] <Vampyre> msi cannever go wrong and the rysen is pretty ok
L477[20:56:34] <Izaya> built a machine with a 2200g a few years back
L478[20:56:39] <Izaya> it's pleasant
L479[20:56:48] <prisma> no GPU because I mostly play Minecraft
L480[20:56:50] <Vampyre> I'd go with thermal grisley paste myself, but tha's preferenc
L481[20:57:04] <Izaya> given the 3200G is basically a stronker 2200G I see no downsides
L482[20:57:54] <prisma> i wonder if pb tech will have boxing day deals?
L483[20:58:02] <Izaya> also
L484[20:58:04] <Vampyre> oh, don't they have corsair PSU's?
L485[20:58:10] <Izaya> that processor comes with a heatsink right?
L486[20:58:14] <Vampyre> I see that it's psu, not a cooler ;-)
L487[20:58:18] <Vampyre> yah
L488[20:58:24] <Izaya> it'll come with thermal paste then
L489[20:58:39] <Vampyre> was thinking the coolermaster was a heatsink, cause of the paste
L490[20:58:53] <Izaya> also
L491[20:58:57] <Izaya> if you're budget-constrained
L492[20:59:01] <Izaya> consider a semi-modular PSU
L493[20:59:13] <Izaya> they're significantly cheaper with 99% of the advantages of a fully-modular PSU
L494[20:59:38] <prisma> it's underbudget but that might be an idea
L495[20:59:40] <Izaya> there aren't a lot of situations where you want a PSU without the ATX motherboard and CPU connectors hooked up
L496[20:59:46] <prisma> got any recommendations?
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L498[20:59:58] <prisma> wait what
L499[21:00:04] <prisma> you can do that with fully modular ones?
L500[21:00:08] <Izaya> yeah
L501[21:00:12] <prisma> TIL
L502[21:00:27] <Izaya> fully modular has sockets and connectors for all the cables
L503[21:00:41] <Izaya> semi-modular will usually have the motherboard and CPU power connectors hard-wired but the rest socketed
L504[21:00:54] <prisma> interesting
L505[21:01:01] <Vampyre> I'm checking that site a bit to see if they have semi modular corsairs
L506[21:01:22] <Izaya> unless you're doing crypto mining you probably want the motherboard and CPU power connectors, so it's a nice way to save a bit
L507[21:01:27] <prisma> doesn't look like PBTech HAVE semi modular PSUs
L508[21:01:30] <Izaya> or, alternatively, get more wattage
L509[21:01:36] <prisma> i selected "semi" for modularity and nothing had a price
L510[21:01:43] <Izaya> got a 750W thermaltake personally but like
L511[21:01:48] <Izaya> anything name-brand will do
L512[21:01:55] <Vampyre> https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/PSUEVG121600/EVGA-600-GQ-600W-80-Gold-Semi-Modular-Power-supply
L513[21:02:00] <Vampyre> but that's EVGA
L514[21:02:02] <prisma> huh.
L515[21:02:06] <Vampyre> and same price
L516[21:02:31] <prisma> i mean
L517[21:02:35] <prisma> extra 50w for no extra cost
L518[21:02:43] <Vampyre> true
L519[21:03:04] <Vampyre> and EVGA is also not bad, as Izaya sais, it's pretty much all good with brands
L520[21:03:12] <Vampyre> there are only 3 real factories making them
L521[21:04:11] <Izaya> I assume you're going with this store because you can physically get there?
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L523[21:04:20] <prisma> yeah
L524[21:05:22] <prisma> there's a pb tech near me
L525[21:05:38] * Izaya nods
L526[21:05:54] <prisma> also I overclocked my first CPU a while back
L527[21:05:58] <prisma> an old one, too
L528[21:06:06] <prisma> i didn't expect it to handle an extra 600MHz
L529[21:06:14] <prisma> but it does perfectly
L530[21:06:16] <Izaya> not bad
L531[21:06:17] <Izaya> which?
L532[21:06:28] <prisma> athlon II
L533[21:06:32] <Izaya> ah yeah
L534[21:06:36] <Vampyre> ohhhh, those were lovely
L535[21:06:46] <prisma> the board will apparently let me push it to 7GHz lmao
L536[21:06:51] <Vampyre> could heat up real good too ;-)
L537[21:06:52] <prisma> i don't think it's gonna handle that
L538[21:07:00] <prisma> this thing doesn't actually run that hot
L539[21:07:13] <Vampyre> I burned a few... too many... ;-)
L540[21:07:21] <Izaya> I'm running my "locked" 4790 140Mhz above stock
L541[21:07:22] <prisma> what'd you OC them to?
L542[21:07:27] <prisma> nice
L543[21:07:41] <Vampyre> some I did
L544[21:07:48] <Izaya> don't do that, by the way, base clock overclocking is cursed
L545[21:07:56] <Vampyre> nowadays I just keep stock, it's fast enough
L546[21:08:12] <Izaya> kinda neat to have my memory set to 18x multiplier, but have it effectively 18.66
L547[21:09:14] <prisma> also apparently my computer OC'd it's own RAM
L548[21:09:35] <Izaya> got my cheap-ass 1600Mhz DDR3 memory within .3GB/s the throughput of 1600Mhz DDR4 too :3
L549[21:09:53] <prisma> it *was* DDR2-533 now it's DDR2-1000
L550[21:09:57] <prisma> or something like that
L551[21:09:59] <Izaya> cursed
L552[21:10:03] <Vampyre> not bad ;-)
L553[21:10:09] <Izaya> were you modifying the FSB speed to overclock the processor?
L554[21:10:15] <prisma> the what speed
L555[21:10:21] <Izaya> front-side bus
L556[21:10:34] <prisma> oh, idk
L557[21:10:46] <Izaya> there's two main methods of overclocking
L558[21:10:53] <prisma> i set the BIOS to increase the speed of the CPU and the PCIe
L559[21:10:59] <Izaya> sounds like FSB then
L560[21:11:13] <prisma> i set it to "CPU/PCI-e Async"
L561[21:11:32] <Izaya> there's multiplier modification, the sane, modern way that changes how many times the speed of the "FSB" (base clock in newer stuff, really) the processor is running at
L562[21:11:50] <Izaya> then there's messing with the FSB, which just runs everything in the system faster by changing the speed of their reference clock
L563[21:11:58] <prisma> yeah it uses multiplier modification
L564[21:12:18] <Izaya> when you have a locked processor, you're stuck with FSB modification
L565[21:12:30] <Izaya> hence, 103.47Mhz FSB in my machine
L566[21:12:53] <Izaya> prisma: I will note that if you're using the iGPU in that processor, fast memory will be worth it
L567[21:12:55] <Vampyre> normal would be something like 66, so that's a good increase
L568[21:13:04] <Izaya> stock is 100
L569[21:13:05] <prisma> Izaya: yeah, I am
L570[21:13:09] <prisma> I do have a 2005 GPU tho
L571[21:13:10] <Vampyre> oh, wait, ytah
L572[21:13:15] <Vampyre> nm, I'm old ;-)
L573[21:13:30] <prisma> Radeon x1300 series
L574[21:13:34] <Izaya> 66Mhz is from when the FSB speed was actually the FSB speed and not just the reference clock
L575[21:13:42] <Vampyre> very old
L576[21:13:43] <Izaya> that's going to be slower than the iGPU
L577[21:13:47] <prisma> yeah
L578[21:13:48] <prisma> I figured
L579[21:13:55] <prisma> I can't even get drivers for it :P
L580[21:13:59] <i develo​p things> yikes
L581[21:14:09] <Izaya> the vega GPU in newer AMD APUs is honestly really nice
L582[21:14:12] <i develo​p things> i have a laptop with an x1600 and drivers are apparently nonexistent
L583[21:14:44] <Izaya> it's a scaled down version of the dedicated ones
L584[21:14:58] <Izaya> less GPU cores, and it shares memory bandwidth with the CPU
L585[21:15:07] <Izaya> but it's still a proper GPU
L586[21:20:35] <Izaya> tfw no RL-10
L587[21:28:13] <Izaya> I wish GIMP would keep my window layout but apparently it can't remember how you set stuff up across multiple displays >.>
L588[21:30:52] <i develo​p things> tfw only one display
L589[21:34:10] <bad at​ vijya> FSB fuckery is my favorite thing
L590[21:34:33] <Izaya> oh, imgur started working again
L591[21:34:35] <Izaya> that's nice
L592[21:34:46] <bad at​ vijya> 3GHZ
L593[21:34:50] <bad at​ vijya> Q6600
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L596[21:59:07] <Amanda> %choose more animoo?
L597[21:59:08] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I'd advice against "more animoo?" right now.
L598[21:59:48] <Amanda> eh, what's the worst that can happen
L599[22:06:31] <Elfi> You might end up a cute cow girl
L600[22:06:39] <Elfi> That's usually how that goes, right?
L601[22:09:06] <Forec​aster> There's probably an anime about that
L602[22:26:35] <ThePiGuy24> %tonk time probably
L603[22:26:36] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! ThePi​Guy24! You beat Ko​dos's previous record of 3 hours, 29 minutes and 34 seconds (By 1 hour, 3 minutes and 3 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L604[22:26:37] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24's new record is 4 hours, 32 minutes and 37 seconds! ThePiGuy24 also gained 0.0042 (0.00105 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #6. Need 0.03697056 more points to pass Li​zzy!
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L610[22:53:36] <Forec​aster> %sip
L611[22:53:37] <MichiBot> You drink a slimy automato potion (New!). Forecaster hears a scream from nearby.
L612[22:53:46] <Forec​aster> it's probably fine
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L614[23:11:36] <ThePiGuy24> by horror movie logic, you should definitley go investigate
L615[23:14:00] <Amanda> Time to split up gang, so we can cover more of the ground with our blood
L616[23:19:00] * dequbed grabs Amanda "No split up I need something to throw at the enemy"
L617[23:21:15] <Amanda> D:
L618[23:21:16] <Amanda> Rude
L619[23:21:25] <Amanda> That's what rats are for!
L620[23:21:44] <Amanda> Like this one I gave Inari for dinner, since she's such a bad hunter: https://imgur.com/gallery/Fz44Bcv
L621[23:23:03] <dequbed> Amanda: Yes, *but*. I can imagine little more effective weaponry than a pissed of Amanda being hurled at the enemy. Maybe a pissed of Ariri but she's a touch heavy for me to throw :P
L622[23:23:34] <Vampyre> if a cat brings you dead animals it thinks you are a bad hunter and can't take care of yourself
L623[23:24:19] <Vampyre> or it is just a murderous villan, out to kill everything and show you it's rogress
L624[23:24:24] <ThePiGuy24> what if the dead animals bring you cats?
L625[23:24:26] <Vampyre> likely the second
L626[23:24:41] <Vampyre> lol, then you have a zombie apocalypse
L627[23:24:53] <Vampyre> also nice
L628[23:25:56] <Amanda> Vampyre: not nessarially bad hunter, more incapable. Cats are omre communal than pop-culture would have you believe, we're taking care of our colony by bringing home extra food. :P
L629[23:26:31] <Vampyre> I'm still going with the murderous villan one, but true I guess ;-)
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L633[23:34:04] <Name> I haven't been able to find any clear answer on this so is there a reason why this hasn't been updated past 1.12 yet? Is something just in the works or is it just not planned. I'm assuming this is a common question but I haven't found a good answer. I checked the Announcements page but it doesn't seem to have been touched since 2019.
L634[23:34:33] <Amanda> The main maintainer has been busy with Real Life™
L635[23:34:41] <Forec​aster> Someone is working on a fabric port, that's about it currently
L636[23:35:18] <Kristo​pher38> And someone else on a forge port I believe?
L637[23:35:29] <Kristo​pher38> Someone pointed that out in that 1.16 issue on gh
L638[23:37:40] <Forec​aster> Neat https://imgur.com/gallery/KT0qI82
L639[23:39:21] <Forec​aster> Obviously rendered, but neat
L640[23:39:28] <i develo​p things> nice
L641[23:39:49] <i develo​p things> how is it that obvious?
L642[23:40:24] <20​kdc> the texture scale is wrong on the wood, I would say
L643[23:40:45] <20​kdc> and the reflections seem off
L644[23:40:55] <Forec​aster> From the other pictures in the album
L645[23:41:16] <Vampyre> it's too perfect
L646[23:41:22] <Vampyre> no grit, no dust
L647[23:43:53] <i develo​p things> fair
L648[23:48:41] <Vampyre> ok, so I made a simple script to copy the oc kernel from the state dir to a backup every 30 seconds, so I have a memory dump of the machine when it dies
L649[23:49:01] <Vampyre> but please tell me if there is anyone who knows a better way to debug memory leaks in OC? ;-)
L650[23:49:24] <Izaya> are we talking your software having a memory leak, or the mod itself?
L651[23:49:33] <Vampyre> my script
L652[23:49:43] <Vampyre> not the mod, the mod is peerfect obviously ;-)
L653[23:50:13] <Vampyre> when I keep it running overnight it crashes somewhere
L654[23:50:21] <B​ob> just show us
L655[23:50:29] <Vampyre> the script?
L656[23:50:34] <Vampyre> it's 2000 lines...
L657[23:50:42] <B​ob> rookie numbers
L658[23:50:44] <dequbed> Izaya: > Only 12 Newron EV-1 are available on preorder.
L659[23:50:49] <B​ob> probably globals
L660[23:50:56] <Vampyre> I can tar it up no problem
L661[23:51:09] <dequbed> Izaya: Want a 60k hot air toy? :P
L662[23:51:10] <Vampyre> yah, I know, but I kinda need some globels
L663[23:51:21] <Vampyre> atleast I think
L664[23:51:30] <Vampyre> my lua experience is exactly 3 weeks old :-p
L665[23:51:31] <B​ob> ew
L666[23:51:38] <Vampyre> but I use threads
L667[23:51:53] <Vampyre> and I definatly know it's leaking in some thread code
L668[23:52:44] <Vampyre> want the code anyway? if there is intrest for it i'll trow it on github anyway when done
L669[23:55:03] <Izaya> dequbed: that's an expensive hairdrier
L670[23:56:03] <dequbed> Izaya: I doubt you'll go fast enough long enough on one to actually have your hair dried.
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L673[23:59:49] <ThePiGuy24> mmmmmm memory leaks
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