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L1[00:01:06] <Izaya> apparently there's a POSIX archive format that is neither tar nor cpio and nobody uses
L2[00:01:19] <CompanionCube> is it pax
L3[00:01:39] <CompanionCube> itshappening.jpg: 'Huge queues of lorries form at ports as the end of the Brexit transition period approaches'
L4[00:09:57] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L5[00:09:59] <MichiBot> Wild! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 48 minutes and 55 seconds (By 28 minutes and 36 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L6[00:10:00] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.7177085, Position #2 Need 0.12507141 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L14[01:19:16] <bad at​ vijya> I WAS SUMMONED
L15[01:19:34] <bad at​ vijya> At work tho
L16[01:19:37] <bad at​ vijya> Bbl after 11
L17[01:19:44] <Izaya> but it's 12
L18[01:19:59] <bad at​ vijya> 11 US Eastern
L19[01:20:06] <bad at​ vijya> 23h, rather
L20[01:20:33] <Izaya> 2300-5000
L21[01:20:38] <bad at​ vijya> Back to work
L22[01:30:04] <ThePiGuy24> 2300-50000
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L25[01:45:40] <dequbed> CompanionCube: I feel for ya. I'll enjoy my one-day-shipping of parts from Mouser and DigiKey because EU while you will have days of delay.
L26[01:47:42] <CompanionCube> dequbed: aside from the general terribleness of the situation, you can't even have the comfort of schadenfreude because it's like that scene in the big short where they get chewed out for celebrating betting against the US's economy.
L27[01:48:14] <Izaya> hah!
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L29[02:02:41] <dequbed> CompanionCube: I'd send you cookies and chocolate but I doubt those will get through customs ;)
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L31[02:02:47] <CompanionCube> :)
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L40[03:19:00] <Ko​dos> %tonk
L41[03:19:01] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Ko​dos! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 9 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L42[03:19:02] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 3 hours, 9 minutes and 2 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.00315 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.12650663 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L43[03:19:10] <Ko​dos> %sip
L44[03:19:10] <MichiBot> You drink a porous naqahdah potion (New!). Kodos feels slightly stronger.
L45[04:09:34] <Amanda> %splash a sleeping Inari with mutable blue potion
L46[04:09:35] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable blue potion (New!) that splashes onto a sleeping Inari. a sleeping Inari turns into a fairy boy until they see a star fall.
L47[04:16:51] <bad at​ vijya> Nice
L48[04:16:57] <bad at​ vijya> Today has made me want to puke
L49[04:17:12] <bad at​ vijya> I am horrible with people.
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L51[04:51:11] * Amanda cuddles up around Elfi, zzzmewd
L52[04:51:52] <Amanda> Night nerds
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L63[06:38:18] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L64[06:38:19] <MichiBot> Woooo! Forec​aster! You beat Ko​dos's previous record of 3 hours, 9 minutes and 2 seconds (By 10 minutes and 15 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L65[06:38:20] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 19 minutes and 17 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00068 (0.00017 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.12439141 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L69[10:08:51] <Forec​aster> ouch... https://tinyurl.com/ycwzscd5
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L71[10:09:47] <Forec​aster> I don't even meet the minimum specs
L72[10:10:07] <Forec​aster> for the cpu
L73[10:10:11] <Forec​aster> I barely do for gpu
L74[10:34:30] <Z0id​berg> Almost a year since the 1000 day mark
L75[10:34:31] <Z0id​berg> tiberius% uptime
L76[10:34:31] <Z0id​berg> 5:23AM up 1225 days, 14:50, 2 users, load averages: 0.28, 0.31, 0.30
L77[10:40:42] <Michiyo> %calc 1225/365
L78[10:40:42] <MichiBot> 1225/365 => 3.3561645
L79[10:40:48] <Michiyo> dang.
L80[11:03:46] <Forec​aster> sigh, I basically have to replace everything except the PSU, harddrives and possibly the GPU
L81[11:04:57] <Michiyo> :(
L82[11:05:23] <Forec​aster> so new MB, CPU and RAM, because all of those go together
L83[11:05:52] <Michiyo> my next upgrade is going to be about $800 in board/CPU and I'm going to lose half my RAM
L84[11:06:12] <Forec​aster> will have to wait a month or so
L85[11:06:30] <Forec​aster> then I will get the money from an invoice I will be sending out soon
L86[11:06:59] <Forec​aster> it'll be more than $1400 so it should do the trick
L87[11:07:41] <Elfi> I feel like moore's law is slowing down enough that my computer should hold me well
L88[11:08:06] <Michiyo> I bought into a basically dead end platform when I upgraded last. :/
L89[11:08:10] <Forec​aster> yeah, this might be the last upgrade I need for a while, but my current CPU is like 4 years old now
L90[11:08:36] <Michiyo> my baord can support Gen 2 ThreadRipper, which seems to get me like 3-10% more performance, for about $1500.
L91[11:08:54] <Michiyo> OR, I can swap board/ram for a ryzen 7 and get a 33% boost with an actual upgrade path :P
L92[11:09:10] <Forec​aster> I basically have nothing that's not completely outrageous without upgrading the MB because it's too old
L93[11:09:28] <Forec​aster> heck I had to update the BIOS to boot from an SSD
L94[11:09:29] <Michiyo> err
L95[11:09:35] <Michiyo> s/ram/CPU/
L96[11:09:35] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> OR, I can swap board/CPU for a ryzen 7 and get a 33% boost with an actual upgrade path :P
L97[11:09:46] <Michiyo> Oof...
L98[11:09:57] <Elfi> I think my computer's original build date is pushing like 5 or 6
L99[11:10:08] <Izaya> 4790 stronk
L100[11:10:16] <Forec​aster> my case is 15 years old now
L101[11:10:29] <Elfi> Only issue I'm having with it is a memory bottleneck and that's only because of me using the onboard video
L102[11:10:35] <Forec​aster> fortunately it's the oldest part I have
L103[11:10:36] <Izaya> if you're not using a 90s EATX server case what are you doing
L104[11:10:42] <Elfi> Man
L105[11:10:54] <Elfi> You're making me miss my old supermicro tower
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L107[11:11:36] <Elfi> Other things I miss: my amiga monitor
L108[11:12:04] <Forec​aster> weh, I want to be rich
L109[11:12:33] <Izaya> wouldn't it be nice
L110[11:12:42] <Forec​aster> it would
L111[11:13:13] <Forec​aster> it'd be so nice to just throw money at this problem, just get the highest end pre-built computer shipped to me
L112[11:14:09] <Izaya> I'd be okay with a new GPU, honestly. Can't really afford a car.
L113[11:14:47] <Forec​aster> I have a car, but I need CPU
L114[11:22:56] <Forec​aster> https://i.imgur.com/HFSgunl.jpg
L115[11:24:23] <Izaya> apparently ZZR250s are going for like 4 grand now
L116[11:24:39] <Izaya> 4x what they're worth IMO and I have one
L117[11:25:57] <Forec​aster> Elfi: ^
L118[11:26:17] <Elfi> Wow
L119[11:27:19] <Elfi> I am about ready to go googling for what's the most power-efficient midrange card
L120[11:27:36] <Elfi> Because low-end doesn't exist anymore
L121[11:28:22] <Izaya> man I wanted to buy like, a 4GB 550 for my grandad's computer
L122[11:28:30] <Izaya> they're only $20 less than an 8GB 580
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L124[11:32:07] <purpelairplanes> hi
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L128[11:54:19] <crewielana> hi
L129[11:54:30] <Forec​aster> %hello
L130[11:54:30] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L132[11:54:38] <Forec​aster> %bye
L133[11:54:39] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Oh, well, bye I guess...
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L145[15:03:01] <repol​ainen> Hello, I have a question concerning the old issue https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1841 I think it is totally valid request as I don't understand why anyone would use drones for anything now (moving pigs on the leash? seriously?)
L146[15:03:02] <MichiBot> Title: [Request]: Drones upgrade that allows item use | Posted by: Stalkstalks | Posted: Wed Jun 01 00:04:13 UTC 2016 | Status: closed
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L148[15:13:03] <Va​ur> %tonk
L149[15:13:03] <MichiBot> Va​ur: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L150[15:13:45] <Va​ur> %tonk 25850
L151[15:13:45] <MichiBot> Fudge! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 3 hours, 19 minutes and 17 seconds (By 5 hours, 16 minutes and 8 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L152[15:13:46] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 8 hours, 35 minutes and 26 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.02108 (0.00527 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #16. (Overtook Saghetti) Need 0.00555 more points to pass Snai​lDOS!
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L155[15:17:47] <Amanda> Drones can also interact with inventories, so they can be used as curriors, if you want to use tools, use a robot
L156[15:22:21] <Amanda> And playwers act as inventories in 1.10(?)+ so one idea someone had was to make drones find and strip players who are hostile of their weapons and armor
L157[15:41:25] <Forec​aster> https://tinyurl.com/ycu88flq
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L161[17:26:46] <Grumpz> hi
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L176[18:41:41] <i develo​p things> > calls and SMS just work now
L177[18:41:41] <i develo​p things> Izaya: nice, isn't it?
L178[18:41:56] <Izaya> it is /o/
L179[18:42:04] <Izaya> and good timing too because I don't have an alternative now
L180[18:42:14] <Izaya> a shame MUCs are a little flaky in Chatty
L181[18:42:16] <i develo​p things> heh
L182[18:42:26] <i develo​p things> i have a google voice number i use for mms
L183[18:42:34] <i develo​p things> little bit annoying but i don't use it much anyway
L184[18:42:44] <Izaya> MUCs with OMEMO just sorta, don't work
L185[18:42:52] <Izaya> which is a shame, because otherwise I wouldn't even need Dino installed
L186[18:43:57] <Izaya> OMEMO in 1:1 chats works nicely
L187[18:45:05] <Izaya> in theory because it's libpurple based you could install pidgin-opensteamworks and get Steam chats in there
L188[18:45:12] <Izaya> among other things
L189[18:45:15] <bad at​ vijya> wait
L190[18:45:15] <bad at​ vijya> what
L191[18:45:44] <Izaya> pidgin-opensteamworks uses the mobile steam API to provide a libpurple interface for steam
L192[18:45:49] <Izaya> chatty is libpurple-based
L193[18:45:56] <bad at​ vijya> ah ic
L194[18:46:12] <Izaya> so in theory you could get steam chats in your SMS/XMPP program
L195[18:46:44] <Izaya> the plugin doesn't do group chats though so it's of limited utility
L196[18:46:46] <Izaya> nice touch though
L197[18:46:48] <ThePi​Guy24> wouldnt suprise me if valve started releasing steam on ARM sometime in the near future :p
L198[18:46:57] <Izaya> ehhhhh
L199[18:47:22] <bad at​ vijya> JIT x86 to ARM
L200[18:47:23] <Izaya> there aren't really any usable ARM machines
L201[18:47:25] <bad at​ vijya> :^)
L202[18:47:52] <Izaya> actually, I tell a lie, there are server and workstation boards with PCI-e
L203[18:48:04] <Izaya> they might as well support RISC-V though
L204[18:48:52] <Izaya> given the low volume of ARM stuff Steam would be usable on
L205[18:49:01] <Izaya> if they want to release the Steam Link client more widely though...
L206[18:49:16] <ThePi​Guy24> (ngl i mainly just want it for RPi and Pinephone :p)
L207[18:49:29] <bad at​ vijya> steamlink on pinephone would be nice
L208[18:49:42] <ThePi​Guy24> no not steam link, steam itself :p
L209[18:49:44] <Izaya> it does have an absolutely monstorous display
L210[18:50:24] <bad at​ vijya> nah i mean like
L211[18:50:25] <bad at​ vijya> for me
L212[18:50:28] <bad at​ vijya> steam link would be nice
L213[18:51:00] <ThePi​Guy24> wonder which would be easier to get working, RPi version of steam link or Android version
L214[18:51:07] <Izaya> in theory you could run the RPi version, yeah
L215[18:51:35] <Izaya> if you're using pmOS you'd probably have to run a GNU/Linux container because I doubt it'd run on musl
L216[18:52:05] <Izaya> but it'd be lighter than running it on x86 under qemu
L217[18:52:08] <Izaya> which I've done before B)
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L219[18:55:15] <i develo​p things> oh
L220[18:55:16] <i develo​p things> also
L221[18:55:30] <i develo​p things> i hear MMS is somewhat sort of close to working with Chatty / Phosh
L222[18:56:24] <Izaya> Haven't tried yet but hopefully
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L227[19:02:53] <Izaya> man I still need to play with that Pentium III machine
L228[19:03:08] <Izaya> do you think I can run both the slot 1 processor and a socket 370 processor at the same time
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L234[19:35:08] <bad at​ vijya> this entire build is just
L235[19:35:12] <bad at​ vijya> "this is a tight fit...."
L236[19:39:19] <Inari> the best kind of fit owo
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L247[19:55:30] <ThePi​Guy24> Inari %lewd
L248[19:55:31] <MichiBot> ThePi​Guy24: What did in​ari do now?!
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L251[20:45:56] <Amanda> ...goddesses above, that's a sudden dose of "feel-old"
L252[20:46:19] <Amanda> I just realised a probably non-trivial amount of my music collection is songs older than the kids in here
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L254[20:47:41] <Izaya> embrace boomer music
L255[20:48:42] <Amanda> the song I'm currently listening to is from 2000 -- almost 21 old enough to drink in most of the US. ._.
L256[20:51:01] <Amanda> rather, the album it's listed under is, it may be older, as is the case for a lot of dance/elcectronic music...
L257[20:56:21] <Amanda> %choose RS or AE
L258[20:56:22] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I'm 40% "AE"!
L259[20:57:30] <dequbed> Amanda: Remember when the new milennium kids where these annoying little kids?
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L262[21:01:52] <Amanda> dequbed: ?
L263[21:02:50] <dequbed> Kids born in 2000 are adults now q.q
L264[21:04:18] <Amanda> yup
L265[21:12:23] <Sap​hire> Heh
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L267[22:05:01] <dequbed> Amanda: Unrelated but https://youtu.be/p8GcHoSIPDg
L268[22:05:04] <MichiBot> Pipelinefunk - concert - Saxophone with a crazy natural echo from the pipeline / Armin Küpper | length: 4m 2s | Likes: 823,677 Dislikes: 9,822 Views: 19,528,723 | by Armin Küpper | Published On 9/6/2020
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L271[22:51:36] <Michiyo> Ever mean to hit Shift-C, and hit Ctrl-C by accident, then spent 60 seconds cursing life waiting for a important process to finish shitting itself so you can start it back up which takes like 20 minutes?
L272[22:51:38] <Michiyo> q_q
L273[22:52:15] <Forec​aster> Nope
L274[22:52:25] <Michiyo> Yeah, that's pretty specific... lol
L275[22:53:03] <Forec​aster> Not really an issue in windows :P
L276[22:53:14] <Michiyo> This happened on Windows.
L277[22:53:16] <Michiyo> lol
L278[22:53:22] <Forec​aster> At most I could accidentally copy something
L279[22:53:47] <Michiyo> This program specifically uses Ctrl-C to close.
L280[22:53:49] <Michiyo> On windows
L281[22:53:56] <Forec​aster> Ah
L282[22:54:14] <Forec​aster> Weird
L283[22:54:28] <Forec​aster> Unless it's command-line
L284[22:54:30] <Michiyo> Production code from a large MMO Producer too
L285[22:54:40] <Michiyo> Eh, kinda.. it runs in a console window lol
L286[22:55:17] <Forec​aster> Well then it's not weird
L287[22:57:58] <ThePi​Guy24> can somewhat relate
L288[22:58:48] * Michiyo twiddles her thumbs waiting for this to finish starting back up
L289[22:59:05] <Michiyo> 12 of 53 maps started..
L290[22:59:36] <Michiyo> it starts up in pairs, each pair takes 15 seconds to over a minute to start
L291[23:00:47] <ThePi​Guy24> i have a discord bot that takes over an hour to start for no good reason, and sometimes i want to copy some of its output, so i Crtl+Shift+C, but sometimes i forget the Shift
L292[23:00:57] <Michiyo> An hour?!
L293[23:01:09] <Michiyo> And I thought MichiBot's ~45 seconds was bad.
L294[23:01:10] <Michiyo> lol
L295[23:01:14] <ThePi​Guy24> yeah somethings borken about it but i cba fixing it
L296[23:01:23] <Amanda> ... how the hell...
L297[23:01:38] <Amanda> Are you hitting a dead endpoint with a stupid-high timeout or someting!?
L298[23:01:53] <ThePi​Guy24> its pretty rare that i have to restart it, because i can reload the commnds without restarting the bot
L299[23:03:04] <Izaya> > when you change a value with gsettings and it crashes your session and prevents you from logging in
L300[23:03:27] <Izaya> > your session is on wayland because of course it is so there's no xorg-session.log to figure out what's wrong
L301[23:06:44] <Amanda> Izaya: there's a good chance it's logged in the journald
L302[23:06:49] <Amanda> `journalctl -ef`
L303[23:07:00] <Izaya> pmOS doesn't use systemd
L304[23:07:04] <Amanda> ah
L305[23:07:07] <Amanda> no idea then. :D
L306[23:07:10] <Izaya> :D
L307[23:07:39] <ThePi​Guy24> recompile wayland to printf fucking everything and run like dogshit
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L309[23:20:20] <Izaya> fucking
L310[23:20:23] <Izaya> is the pinephone real
L311[23:20:28] <Izaya> the modem module, right
L312[23:21:11] <Izaya> so you interact with it by spewing hayes commands to it over serial
L313[23:21:20] <Izaya> but you can also use adb to get a shell on it
L314[23:21:46] <Izaya> and it's a single-core ARM SOC with 512M of RAM and flash, pretending to be a dialup modem
L315[23:21:59] <Izaya> and it has a coprocessor that actually talks to the WAN
L316[23:22:12] <Izaya> the mobile network coprocessor has a mobile network coprocessor
L317[23:22:42] <Izaya> the module itself is running embedded linux of some sort
L318[23:26:12] <ThePi​Guy24> run doom on the modem
L319[23:26:23] <Izaya> it's certainly powerful enough
L320[23:27:01] <Izaya> up to 1.3Ghz
L321[23:27:07] <Izaya> and that's ARM
L322[23:27:21] <Izaya> I bet you could do 1024x768 in software with that
L323[23:27:58] <dequbed> Izaya: That's pretty normal though. Like all the OEM modems I have looked at run either Minix or Linux.
L324[23:28:17] <Izaya> yeah I imagine it is
L325[23:28:21] <Izaya> it's just cursed
L326[23:28:26] <dequbed> Oh yeah totally
L327[23:28:36] <dequbed> But have you *looked* at the PSTN?
L328[23:28:55] <Izaya> in more detail than I'd care to have tbh
L329[23:29:03] <dequbed> A modem running Minix acting like it's still using pilot tones for anything is like the *least* cursed thing.
L330[23:29:35] <Izaya> a normal phone has the modem integrated into the main processor but they wanted to avoid the baseband being able to r/w main memory
L331[23:29:45] <Izaya> so we have ... this.
L332[23:29:58] <dequbed> I mean read the SIM spec and you know why :p
L333[23:30:03] <dequbed> Embedded Java /o/
L334[23:30:19] <dequbed> Distributed over GSM sideband communication \o\
L335[23:30:24] <dequbed> Running with no authentication \o/
L336[23:30:47] <dequbed> And you thought Silent SMS were bad ;P
L337[23:33:01] <dequbed> But hey, it lets you play Pong on the side of a buidling so %shrug
L338[23:33:03] <MichiBot> deq​ubed: No you shrug!
L339[23:35:25] <dequbed> Izaya: https://youtu.be/PZRUtKYCpms?t=107
L340[23:35:26] <MichiBot> Project Blinkenlights: Blinkenlights | length: 11m 14s | Likes: 193 Dislikes: 3 Views: 24,847 | by Tim Pritlove | Published On 5/5/2012
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L343[23:51:53] <dequbed> Izaya: wanna have a fun moment of future terror?
L344[23:52:00] <Izaya> whatcha got for me
L345[23:53:11] <dequbed> Izaya: In 100 years time infrastructure tech like the interwebs, driving cars et.al. will be defined by backwards compatibility and heaping on more and more stuff on old technology as PSTN is now.
L346[23:53:38] <Izaya> oh okay
L347[23:54:15] <Izaya> dequbed: I've told you about A Deepness in the Sky, right?
L348[23:54:33] <dequbed> You haven't lived until you connected an old analog telephone over isdn to an LTE modem but I'd rather keep that out of my immediate vicinity
L349[23:55:34] <Izaya> I mean
L350[23:55:59] <Izaya> I've connected an analog phone to a VDSL modem/router
L351[23:56:07] <Izaya> which was acting as a SIP client
L352[23:56:30] <Amanda> %choose cubes or rain box
L353[23:56:31] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Eeny, meeny, miny, cubes.
L354[23:56:33] <Izaya> over the phone connection the actual phone was plugged into previously
L355[23:57:34] <dequbed> Izaya: I mean if you look at the right parts the PSTN is incredibly cool *because* it's so strongly focused on backwards and forwards compatability. But it makes for some absolutely cursed tech stacks.
L356[23:59:49] <Izaya> I bring up A Deepness in the Sky because one of the main characters is a programmer-archaeologist that spends an amount of time looking through 8000 years of unix cruft
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