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L1[00:01:56] <Michiyo> yeah you can totally
remap documents/desktop/ a hand full of other directories in
windows 7+
L3[00:02:25] <Michiyo> It's currently
pissing off FFXIV but that's ok right now
L4[00:06:07] <CompanionCube> %inv add fucked
politics
L5[00:06:07] *
MichiBot summons 'fucked politics' and adds to her inventory. I
could get some good swings in with this.
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L7[00:14:47] <Michiyo> Sometimes I question
if my coworkers dropped the brain cell they share, and lost
it.
L8[00:14:50] *
Michiyo sighs
L9[00:15:31] <Ariri> Accidental shift+del,
perhaps
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L11[00:17:24] <Michiyo> I really want a
bigger SSD.
L12[00:20:57] <Michiyo> @Forecaster
getting my dev env setup for OS
L13[00:21:20] <Michiyo> I'll try to get
that working for you ASAP.. but work first sadly and I had a
fuckton dumped on me
L16[00:22:55] <Michiyo> Could not determine
java version from '14.0.2'.
L17[00:22:58] *
Michiyo sighs
L18[00:23:00] <Michiyo> or.. not
L19[00:24:14] <Michiyo> I don't HAVE java
14...
L20[00:26:20] <Michiyo> j8 u261, JDK 8u261,
and J6u33...
L21[00:26:36]
<bad at
vijya> oh boy, windows doesn't detect my flash drive
L22[00:26:38]
<bad at
vijya> the one
L23[00:26:42]
<bad at
vijya> formatted for NTFS
L24[00:26:45] <Michiyo> I quit
L25[00:26:46] <Michiyo> afk
L26[00:27:22] <CompanionCube> %slap tories,
BBC, labour in that order.
L27[00:27:22] <MichiBot> CompanionCube is
trying to slap tories, BBC, labour in that order.! They have 5
minutes if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L28[00:28:13] <CompanionCube> Izaya: today
in the fucked up garbage that is UK politics we have such things as
'BBC staff told they could be suspended if they attend LGBT pride
events under new rules'
L29[00:29:11] <CompanionCube> (also labour
party internal shenanigans that i had a muted reaction too for a
while but later i thought more, and the above headline just went
'lol nope fuck this all'
L30[00:29:30] <CompanionCube> skyem:
^
L31[00:29:47]
<ThePiGuy24> man i love this country
L33[00:29:55]
<Ocawesome101> sounds nice lol
L34[00:30:06]
<Ocawesome101> /s
L35[00:30:12] <CompanionCube> ThePiGuy24:
and since hard brexit is coming, we ain't seen nothin yet!
L36[00:30:20]
<ThePiGuy24> weeew
L37[00:30:25]
<ThePiGuy24> cant fucking wait
L38[00:32:14]
<bad at
vijya> >windows shuts down when i try to make install
media
L39[00:32:19]
<bad at
vijya> of c o u r s e
L40[00:32:37] <CompanionCube> everything
under the tories is COOL AND NORMAL
L41[00:37:28] <Amanda> %splash a rude fox
called Inari with mutable coral potion
L42[00:37:28] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable coral potion (New!) that splashes onto a rude fox called
Inari. a rude fox called Inari turns into a tan frog boy until they
have an apple.
L43[00:55:23]
<bad at
vijya> oh neat
L44[00:55:32]
<bad at
vijya> the windows "installation media tool" isn't
downloading anything
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L51[02:11:50] <Michiyo>
java.version=14.0.2
L52[02:11:52] <Michiyo> wtf how??
L53[02:13:40] <Michiyo>
java.runtime.name=OpenJDK Runtime Environment
L54[02:13:40] <Michiyo>
java.runtime.version=14.0.2+12-46
L55[02:13:51] <Michiyo> I don't even HAVE
OpenJDK installed o_o
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L57[02:15:21] <Michiyo> OH WHAT THE FUCK
ECLIPSE?!
L58[02:15:30] <Michiyo>
C:\Users\Michi\.p2\pool\plugins\org.eclipse.justj.openjdk.hotspot.jre.full.win32.x86_64_14.0.2.v20200815-0932\jre
L59[02:27:14] <Michiyo> and even after
changing the JRE env it's still wrong
L60[02:30:21] <Michiyo> fuck it, IDEA it
is
L61[02:38:28] <Michiyo> %flip
L62[02:38:28] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
(╯°□°)╯┻━┻
L63[02:38:35] <Michiyo> duplicate fucking
mods.
L64[02:38:38] *
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L65[03:20:01]
<Kleadron>
solar eclipse
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<bad at
vijya> ah
L69[03:42:24]
<bad at
vijya> oh boy
L70[03:42:29]
<bad at
vijya> i have to have all the drivers
L71[03:42:31]
<bad at
vijya> when i install windows
L72[03:42:32]
<bad at
vijya> apparently
L73[03:48:57]
<bad at
vijya> i'm gonna cry if i need to remove my hard drives and
second ssd just for this garbage
L74[03:57:22]
<bad at
vijya> s i g h
L75[03:57:23]
<bad at
vijya> yeah
L76[03:57:24]
<bad at
vijya> i do
L77[04:00:09]
<bad at
vijya> i tHINK I JUST PULLED A FUCKING MUSCLE IN MY
SHOULDER
L78[04:00:10]
<bad at
vijya> GOD
L79[04:00:11]
<bad at
vijya> FUCKING
L80[04:00:12]
<bad at
vijya> DAMNIT
L81[04:10:29]
<bad at
vijya> if it gives me an error with only my ssd, gpu, and a ps/2
keyboard connected
L82[04:10:32]
<bad at
vijya> i will scream
L83[04:11:08]
<bad at
vijya> HOW
L84[04:11:10]
<bad at
vijya> FUCKING HOW
L86[04:16:01] <Michiyo> I fucking hate MC
Mod dev.
L87[04:20:36] <ben_mkiv> +1
L88[04:20:39] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: I
assume you have SATA controller and chipset drivers loaded?
L89[04:22:35] <Michiyo>
java.lang.NoSuchFieldError: isBlockContainer
L90[04:22:38] <Michiyo> OH GOD FUCKING DAMN
IT
L91[04:26:36]
<bad at
vijya> they should be
L92[04:26:59]
<bad at
vijya> but ay lmao it's wangblows
L93[04:27:25]
<bad at
vijya> honestly it might be more worth my time to use qemu or
w/e
L94[04:27:46]
<bad at
vijya> all i wanted to play was plane game
L95[04:28:06]
<bad at
vijya> which is the only game that doesn't detect my
controller
L96[04:31:53]
<bad at
vijya> in proton, that is
L97[04:32:15] <Izaya> force steam input
on
L98[04:32:18] <Izaya> or off
L99[04:32:21] <Izaya> try all options
L100[04:33:06]
<bad at
vijya> yea
L101[04:33:14]
<bad at
vijya> otherwise the game runs great
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L103[04:51:08]
<bad at
vijya> i now have a free 500gb ssd
L104[04:51:09]
<bad at
vijya> what do
L105[04:57:35] <Ariri> 500gb page
file
L106[05:01:34] <Michiyo> mod a wants
mapping x, mod b wants mapping y, and mod c breaks on either of
them.
L107[05:07:37]
<bad at
vijya> something about nuking a dirve that's only given me
trouble
L108[05:07:40]
<bad at
vijya> feels so good
L109[05:07:44]
<bad at
vijya> well
L110[05:07:51]
<bad at
vijya> a drive with an OS that's given me trouble
L111[05:33:05] <Michiyo> Ok, it took me so
long to get the damn mod into a buildable state I don't have time
to work on it.
L112[05:33:20] <Michiyo> @Forecaster I'll
have to poke this tomorrow.. I still can't run the damn mod in the
IDE for debugging
L113[05:33:24] <Michiyo> Fucking
deps.
L114[05:33:39]
<bad at
vijya> Izaya: i changed nothing and it works
L115[05:33:49]
<bad at
vijya> bandai namco/10
L116[05:35:18] <Izaya> checks out
L118[06:15:15]
<Forecaster> %tonkout
L119[06:15:16] <MichiBot> Golly!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of 4 hours, 16
minutes and 50 seconds (By 5 hours, 51 minutes and 40 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L120[06:15:17] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk points! plus
0.018 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
1.45841372, Position #2 Need 0.0357162 more points to pass
CompanionCube!
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L130[09:21:13] <SquidDev> %tonk
L131[09:21:13] <MichiBot> Holy brick
Batman! SquidDev! You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0
(By 3 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L132[09:21:14] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new
record is 3 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds! SquidDev also gained
0.0031 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need
0.26763564 more points to pass Forecaster!
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L139[09:45:05]
<Forecaster> @Michiyo no real hurry, I
still have to finish updating/porting the modpack platform before I
can even think about launching this thing :P
L140[09:46:49]
<Forecaster> although the sooner the
better cause I will need to update the factory hardware and
software with these new features so I can run a small scale
test
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L147[11:30:52] <Amanda> Inari: do you
think frogs should have apples?
L148[11:31:02] <Inari> nope
L149[11:31:10] <Inari> frogs taste better
with oranges
L150[11:31:22] <Amanda> Good! Enjoy you're
new life as a tan frog boy
L151[11:31:28] <Inari> smh
L152[11:31:31] <Inari> %splash
Amanda
L153[11:31:33] <MichiBot> Inari flings a
shiny amethyst potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. The potion
contained a computer virus! It just changed Amanda's
background...
L154[11:33:03] <Amanda> Rude!
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L159[12:19:00] ***
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L161[12:21:18] <Amanda> I interpreted it
as changing the colour under my fur
L162[12:22:54] <Izaya> >:D got the
first two insect glaives from the rathlos set
L163[12:23:26] <Izaya> I can make the
azure rathlos ones once I kill a few more of those, which will be
my first rarity 7 weapons
L164[12:28:04] <Inari> Noice
L165[12:28:10] <Inari> I'm starting
iceborne soon
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L167[12:54:25] <Izaya> I'm quite a
distance from that, I think
L168[12:54:43] <Izaya> got to fight 3
elder dragons next but I've switched primary weapon type so I've
been killing stuff for mats for the last few days.
L169[13:00:43]
<Forecaster> %sip
L170[13:00:44] <MichiBot> You drink a soft
silver potion (New!). Forecaster's toes turn invisible until have
some bacon.
L171[13:01:06]
<Forecaster> until have some bacon
indeed
L172[13:01:27] <Amanda> close enough, ship
it
L173[13:01:50] <Izaya> wanna
L174[13:01:53] <Izaya> kill some
nergigantes
L175[13:02:01] <Izaya> so I can make the
nergigante weapons
L176[13:02:11] <Izaya> with that absurdly
high dragon damage
L177[13:02:13] <Izaya> >:D
L178[13:10:07] <Amanda> %choose cubes or
observe puppers
L179[13:10:07] <MichiBot> Amanda: Once
you get a taste of "observe puppers" you can't
stop.
L180[13:11:58] <Izaya> is the new one
out?
L182[13:13:53] <Amanda> Yup, it's been out
since yesterday
L183[13:14:07]
<Forecaster> I'm also standing by for it
to show up
L184[13:16:28] <Amanda> Remember, any
tampering or alterations to your Optick™ are not permitted!
L185[13:16:56] <Izaya> hm
L186[13:17:13] <Izaya> I wonder if it's
the same situation as previous Ubisoft games where DXVK actually
helps performance
L187[13:17:16] <Izaya> that'd be
nice
L188[13:18:46] <Amanda> oh good. one of
the impotant controller bindings gets intercepted by the steamlink
app. :D
L189[13:19:29] <Izaya> hm, doesn't run yet
by the looks
L190[13:19:45] <Izaya> by the time it's
available to me it should be working nicely :3
L192[13:34:13] <MichiBot>
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L196[14:13:46] <Inari> l-lewd
L197[14:56:05]
<greysondn>
Literally hurting over going to 1.15.2 and not having OC available.
😦
L198[15:07:11]
<Bob>
1.12.2 is fine :GWlulurdMmmYea:
L199[15:08:04]
<Ocawesome101> 1.12.2 : 1.16.3 :: 1.8.9 :
1.12.2
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L210[15:39:08] <CHRIS2> hi
L211[15:39:20]
<Forecaster> %hello
L212[15:39:22] <MichiBot> Forecaster:
Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel!
Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide
error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one
line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked
into.
L213[15:39:28] <aaaaaaaaa> hello
L214[15:39:36] <aaaaaaaaa> good mod
L215[15:39:44]
<Ocawesome101> yeah opencomputers is
pretty great
L216[15:40:08] <aaaaaaaaa> i agree
L217[15:40:41] <CHRIS2> i am aaaaa but
from other computer
L218[15:40:50] <CHRIS2> in the world
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L225[16:08:51] <chris> ηι
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L228[16:21:29] <Elfi> Good to see
OpenComputers is still keeping the eternal september spirit alive
and strong
L229[16:21:54] *
Amanda giggles
L230[16:22:16] *
Amanda snugs up around Elfi, mewls, wishing that her township
wouldn't flood the watermains with chlorine just because it's
raining out
L231[16:22:47] *
Elfi petpetpets
L232[16:29:24] <Amanda> %choose recent
cubes or older cubes
L233[16:29:24] <MichiBot> Amanda: If I've
learned anything in life it's that you always pick "older
cubes"
L234[16:31:46] <Saphire>
Hm
L235[16:31:51] <Saphire> Aw no bold
:C
L236[16:32:48] <Michiyo>
No bold you
say?!
L237[16:32:53] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L238[16:32:53] <MichiBot> By my throth!
SquidDev! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 5 minutes
and 58 seconds (By 4 hours, 5 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L239[16:32:54] <MichiBot> SquidDev has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.007 tonk points!
plus 0.012 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
1.20977808, Position #3 Need 0.24863564 more points to pass
Forecaster!
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L241[16:43:08]
<bad at
vijya> god
L242[16:43:11]
<greysondn>
But on a serious note, are there any plans to upgrade OC to 1.15.2?
I've looked through everything I could find at this point and
didn't see a yes/no.
L243[16:43:17]
<bad at
vijya> i'm still tilted at last night
L244[16:43:28]
<bad at
vijya> also tl;dr "it'll happen when it happens",
afaict @greysondn
L245[16:43:42]
<greysondn>
I'm totally okay with waiting.
L246[16:43:51]
<greysondn>
Had just wanted to be sure it wasn't an "absolutely
not".
L247[16:44:22] <Michiyo> Sangar has been
gone for a while, payonel is the project maintainer now and is
super busy with life. There have been a handful of people who said
they would port it, and then... never came back
L248[16:44:41] <Michiyo> They stared into
the abyss...
L249[16:44:57] <Amanda> There's also that
one that "ported" it by removing all the actual code of
the mod.
L250[16:45:01]
<bad at
vijya> i can't write scala, all i can write is kotlin, c, and
lua
L251[16:45:39]
<bad at
vijya> also, i've decided to move my linux install to my 500GB
SSD and use my 128GB SSD as a cache
L252[16:46:17]
<greysondn>
Ouch. If it was at least in Java, I could maybe stare it down after
my current project.
L253[16:46:22]
<greysondn>
I didn't realize.
L254[16:46:25]
<greysondn>
What a nightmare.
L255[16:46:29] <ben_mkiv> as a cache for
what?
L256[16:47:19] <Michiyo> OC is a mix of
Scala and Java. IIRC there is a desire to move away from Scala
though
L257[16:47:43] <ben_mkiv> theres a desire
to move at all?
L258[16:47:45]
<bad at
vijya> gonna try to make it so i can make it fetch files from
the SSD if they're accessed often enough
L259[16:47:49] <Michiyo> also IIRC, I
think newer forge versions don't ship scala support, so you have to
add that yourself.
L260[16:47:50]
<bad at
vijya> from my HDDs, that is
L261[16:47:55]
<bad at
vijya> oh yikes
L262[16:48:03] <ben_mkiv> yea scala was
removed
L263[16:48:06]
<greysondn>
More nightmares on top of the already ones.
L264[16:48:35] <Michiyo> So, to move
forward you either HAVE to port Scala -> Java, AND update to
newer Forge/MC internals
L265[16:48:41] <SquidDev> There's Scorge,
which is the scala language adapter. It's not currently maintained,
but I imagine it's relatively easy (compared with the rest of the
update) to fix.
L266[16:48:45] <Michiyo> OR you have to
ship your own scala
L267[16:48:54] <Michiyo> Yeah with that
^
L268[16:49:18]
<greysondn>
As far as moving from 1.12.2 to 1.15.2 - it looks like this will be
the next one that everyone stalls on right now. Much of vanilla
runs better and sucks less in 1.15.2, and that as a basis would
help quite a lot of things. (We'd also get the higher ID
limitations, and a few random things like that which should never
have required mods in the first place.)
L269[16:49:23] <Michiyo> But I know Sangar
and payo were discussing dropping scala back in the before
times
L270[16:49:39] <ben_mkiv> honestly i feel
like a java rewrite would be more sane
L271[16:50:13] <ben_mkiv> that would also
reach more people to fix/improve stuff
L272[16:50:17]
<greysondn>
Moving to 1.16+ isn't practical right now for most mods because
vanilla broke custom dimensions entirely
L273[16:50:24]
<greysondn>
So that's where that's at.
L274[16:50:31]
<bad at
vijya> [x] incredible
L275[16:50:51]
<bad at
vijya> but yeah, i need to look into the source of
Forgelin
L276[16:50:56]
<bad at
vijya> port it to 1.15 just because
L277[16:51:09]
<bad at
vijya> so i can have OSSM on 1.15 :^)
L278[16:51:43]
<bad at
vijya> okay this doesn't seem hard
L279[16:51:57] <ben_mkiv> how did they
break dimensions?
L280[16:52:15] <ben_mkiv> i've played 1.16
with AE2 and was able to use spatial storage without trouble
L281[16:52:22] <ben_mkiv> which uses a
custom dimension
L282[16:54:38] <ben_mkiv> also played with
rats on 1.16, which also has a custom dimension
L283[16:54:49] <SquidDev> Is this 1.16.2
or 1.16.3?
L284[16:54:58] <ben_mkiv> the pack was
1.16.1 iirc
L285[16:55:12] <SquidDev> Yeah. The
changes only came through in 1.16.3.
L286[16:55:13] <ben_mkiv> but he said
1.16+ so...
L287[16:55:19] <ben_mkiv> ok then
nvm
L288[16:55:34] <SquidDev> I think at
least. Mojang made everything all jsony (yay), but also very hard
to extend.
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L293[16:57:18]
<greysondn>
AFAIK it was 1.16+ somewhere; Squid's claim that it's 1.16.3 is
likely correct and would be news to me. I would have assumed that
AN API BREAKING CHANGE WOULD MERIT A MINOR RELEASE but apparently
we don't live in a world with version standards.
L294[16:57:36] <SquidDev> It had no
content changes, so probably wasn't worth it.
L295[16:57:47] <ben_mkiv> welcome to
microsoft
L296[16:57:50] <SquidDev> I imagine they'd
planned to get it into 1.16, but missed the deadline :).
L297[16:57:59] <ben_mkiv> the change
versions when they add content which is interesting for
players
L298[16:58:06] <SquidDev> Hey, this
definitely would have happened pre MS acquisition.
L299[16:58:07] <ben_mkiv> not if they
change stuff which is relevant for modders
L300[16:58:18]
<greysondn>
What, mid 2020?
L301[16:58:34] <ben_mkiv> well ok, then
welcome to the minecraft dev team :P
L302[16:59:03]
<greysondn>
I don't see many mods adopting 1.16.2
L303[16:59:11]
<greysondn>
That doesn't mean they won't
L304[16:59:19]
<greysondn>
But I think it really is a hatred of the 1.16 line at this point
:/
L305[16:59:21]
<greysondn>
But I think it really is a hatred of the 1.16 line at this point 😐
[Edited]
L306[16:59:46]
<greysondn>
There's also the fact that there's this pressure to shift over to
Fabric apparently
L307[16:59:54]
<greysondn>
So I'm just hoping we get that mess sorted out before too
long.
L308[17:00:14]
<greysondn>
Interoperability would at least be nice between the two ecosystems,
but one claims it's not their problem and the other claims they
don't have time or energy.
L309[17:00:45]
<greysondn>
~~Hot take: As a user, I shouldn't have to care about internal
politics of mod ecosystems~~
L310[17:00:46] <Amanda> There's like ~200
mods in ATM6 which is a 1.16.3-based pack
L311[17:01:12]
<greysondn>
"Okay, and?"
L312[17:01:49] <Amanda> why go to 1.16.2
when there's plenty for 1.16.3
L313[17:02:23]
<greysondn>
Apparently, I'm not allowed to have mods I like and "omg I
couldn't live without..."
L314[17:02:34] <Amanda> I said nothing of
the sort.
L315[17:02:46]
<greysondn>
200 mods means nothing if it's not 200 mods I'm actually interested
in.
L316[17:02:54] <Amanda> I'm just wondering
why someone would update to a lower point release than the
latest
L317[17:03:02]
<greysondn>
I already answered this.
L318[17:03:11] <Amanda> like. You don't
have people complaining about the lack of 1.12.1 mods
L319[17:03:27] <SquidDev> There's a
surprising number of people still running 1.16.1, even when IIRC
1.16.2 didn't have any breaking changes.
L320[17:03:42]
<greysondn>
That at least I could believe.
L321[17:03:58]
<greysondn>
I went through every mod for 1.16.x and every mod for 1.15.x on
curseforge.
L322[17:04:10]
<greysondn>
Literally. Every. Mod.
L323[17:04:40]
<greysondn>
What I found was that every mod I cared about wasn't on 1.16, and
wouldn't be. (We can omit MCreator based mods in that listing,
because who cares.)
L324[17:05:20] <Amanda> I mean. 1.16's
only a couple of months old, isn't it? IT'll take awhile for the
forge APIs to settle
L325[17:05:37] <ben_mkiv> yea but plenty
of popular mods are already ported, like AE2, RefinedStorage,
RFTools, ...
L326[17:05:39]
<greysondn>
For a long time, most mods were stalled at 1.12.2.
L327[17:05:43] <ben_mkiv> mekanism*
L328[17:05:52] <Amanda> That's because
Forge was stalled at 1.12
L329[17:06:10] <SquidDev> There's
definitely PRs in the works to get Forge shipshape when it comes to
dimensions. I think everyone is aware it's a problem.
L330[17:06:34] <ben_mkiv> CC afaik is also
on 1.16.x
L331[17:06:42] <Amanda> A lot of breaking
changes were made sometime after 1.12, and forge decided to use
that as an excuse to trim some of thelegacy fat from the APIs
L332[17:06:51] <SquidDev> Hehe, yes we
are. But I have too much free time.
L333[17:07:02] <ben_mkiv> does CC have
persistance by now?
L334[17:07:02]
<greysondn>
CC:Tweaked is on 1.15.2, I don't know about later than that.
L335[17:07:18] <SquidDev> ben_mkiv: The
changes are in the Lua VM, working on getting it integrated into
the main mod.
L336[17:07:21] <Amanda> I may have been
privately reviving some of my old CC messes
L337[17:07:31]
<greysondn>
snaps fingers That's where I know Squid from. Had been trying to
place it XD
L338[17:07:33] <SquidDev> It's rather hard
to retrofit it (funny that).
L339[17:07:37]
<greysondn>
Yes, I'm literally that slow sometimes.
L340[17:07:46] <ben_mkiv> nice to hear
that its on the todo list
L341[17:08:02] <SquidDev> It was that or
have someone complain about it once a month :p.
L342[17:09:09]
<greysondn>
Actually leads to an entirely different question. From the
lua-code-on-the-machine side of things, how different is CC vs OC,
really?
L343[17:09:17] <SquidDev> Very.
L344[17:09:39] <Amanda> OC
L345[17:09:39]
<Ocawesome101> CC uses a Java VM (Cobalt)
while OC uses PUC Lua with a sandboxing script
L346[17:09:53]
<Ocawesome101> that's why OC doesn't allow
most of the debug API
L347[17:10:08]
<greysondn>
Well, that's background mostly?
L348[17:10:19] <Amanda> OC's abstracted to
the point where you don't even need to use Lua in the arches, CC's
much more tied into the lua stuff
L349[17:10:21]
<greysondn>
I meant when I go to write lua code for the ingame machinery.
L350[17:10:43]
<greysondn>
~~Python for CC when~~
L351[17:10:45]
<greysondn>
Um.
L352[17:10:59]
<greysondn>
Even that doesn't matter when I go to write lua code for the ingame
machinery.
L353[17:11:03] <ben_mkiv> python for OC is
a thing
L354[17:11:09] <SquidDev> Python for CC is
a thing.
L355[17:11:10]
<greysondn>
I'm aware.
L356[17:11:15]
<greysondn>
I was not aware of the second.
L357[17:11:29] <SquidDev> The architecture
of the two mods is very different (for instance, OC's components
rather than CC's peripherals), and that kinda propagates downwards.
The two Lua side OSes are rather different.
L358[17:11:34]
<greysondn>
It seems like people keep finding out Python for OC is a thing from
me.
L359[17:12:10] <ben_mkiv> i prefer lua
over python anyways
L360[17:12:21]
<greysondn>
On a scale from one to don't, let's please not do that.
L361[17:12:29] <ben_mkiv> i can't deal
with a language who forces me to use the exact amount of
spaces/tabs to get stuff running
L362[17:12:39]
<greysondn>
Again, let's please not do this.
L363[17:13:00]
<greysondn>
You prefer Lua. I prefer Python. Okay. Good talk.
L364[17:13:52] <ben_mkiv> indeed
L365[17:14:08] <Amanda> I prefer Go.
L366[17:14:15] *
Amanda flees
L367[17:14:25]
<greysondn>
.... Squid, in OC Python is a core that's kinda not mature and hard
to work with. There's not much more than a REPL/interpreter for it,
although it can run python scripts which comply. How's it looking
in CC land?
L368[17:14:29]
<greysondn>
Any more mature?
L369[17:15:08] <ben_mkiv> so what you are
saying is "it runs python but you cant do stuff with
it"?
L370[17:15:18]
<greysondn>
Mate, I've asked nicely to not do this.
L371[17:15:21]
<greysondn>
So please don't do this.
L372[17:15:26] <ben_mkiv> i just
wonder
L373[17:15:31]
<greysondn>
IDGAF.
L374[17:15:37]
<greysondn>
You're being antagonistic,
L375[17:15:46]
<greysondn>
Please knock it the fuck off.
L376[17:15:48] <ben_mkiv> you got serious
anger problems
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L378[17:15:52] <ben_mkiv> my statement was
about the languages
L379[17:15:54]
<greysondn>
Please knock it the *** off. [Edited]
L380[17:16:01]
<greysondn>
Cool.
L381[17:16:02] <ben_mkiv> now i wonder how
usable the OC python integration is
L382[17:16:11] <ben_mkiv> and you start to
rage
L383[17:16:23]
<greysondn>
No, you want to talk about how awful python is, and you're JAQing
off to get there.
L384[17:16:29] <uuhhhhhhhh> it only
supports the basics
L385[17:16:33] <uuhhhhhhhh> most scripts
dont work
L386[17:16:54] <ben_mkiv> thanks
uuhhhhhhhh, so is it able to interact with components at all or
nah?
L387[17:17:04] <uuhhhhhhhh> nope
L388[17:17:08] <uuhhhhhhhh> its just pure
python
L389[17:17:15] <uuhhhhhhhh> wait
L390[17:17:19]
<Ocawesome101> actually
L391[17:17:21] <uuhhhhhhhh> are you
talking about the package
L392[17:17:21]
<greysondn>
It can, it's just a pain.
L393[17:17:23] <uuhhhhhhhh> or the
mod
L394[17:17:24]
<Ocawesome101> yes it can interact with
components
L395[17:17:32] <uuhhhhhhhh> im confused
lol
L396[17:17:45]
<greysondn>
OpenPython is generally held to be "the best we're gonna
get".
L397[17:17:48]
<greysondn>
I was speaking of that.
L398[17:17:50] <ben_mkiv> i only know
about a mod which was on curseforge
L399[17:18:03] <uuhhhhhhhh> ah
L400[17:18:18] <uuhhhhhhhh> i was talkin g
about the package
L401[17:18:23] <ben_mkiv> yea which seems
to be openpython
L402[17:18:32] <uuhhhhhhhh> openpython
supports everything python can do
L403[17:18:37] <uuhhhhhhhh> plus some oc
stuff in the mix
L404[17:18:45] <uuhhhhhhhh> like
components, etc
L405[17:21:55] <SquidDev> Is the python
sandboxed at all? That's definitely been a flaw with
implementations I've seen for CC.
L406[17:22:42]
<greysondn>
The major pain point as far as I've experienced - two, actually -
is that there's no OS (like openOS for Lua ~~I was working off and
on with that before my life happened~~) and there's no robust API
reference for the OC parts (which makes guessing a bit frustrating
at times).
L407[17:22:54]
<greysondn>
As far as sandboxing, I don't know. I never thought to try.
L408[17:23:02]
<greysondn>
I'm the only programmer in a crew of like eight people.
L409[17:23:11] <SquidDev> Ahh, looks like
it is - uses micropython rather than cpython too.
L410[17:23:12]
<greysondn>
Literally the entire server's citizenship.
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<greysondn>
I did ask and it may have gotten lost - is CC's implementation any
more mature than OC's?
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L414[17:24:01]
<greysondn>
For Python integration, I mean
L415[17:24:08] <SquidDev> Oh, lol
no.
L416[17:24:25] <SquidDev> It's literally a
Lua script which bridges calls to/from a separate Python
server.
L417[17:24:37]
<greysondn>
Thought about that.
L418[17:24:44]
<greysondn>
I've done it for BizHawk to do AI work.
L419[17:24:46] <SquidDev> It's very cool,
but somewhat impractical for server use.
L420[17:24:50]
<greysondn>
Just didn't seem - yeah.
L421[17:24:52]
<greysondn>
Exactly that.
L422[17:25:14]
<greysondn>
At that point I'd rather have the RaspberryPi python stuff for
minecraft.
L423[17:25:52]
<greysondn>
I just realized it's cold in here
L424[17:26:05]
<greysondn>
Off-topic, I know
L425[17:30:35]
<Ocawesome101> this entire channel might
as well be offtopic
L426[17:36:01]
<bad at
vijya> time to back up my windows userdata
L427[17:36:39]
<bad at
vijya> `find . -depth | cpio -o6 | lrzip -p 8 >
~/usr_backup.cpio.lrz`
L428[17:40:53]
<bad at
vijya> cpio64 lmao
L429[17:41:22]
<bad at
vijya> ah here's the space engineers saves
L430[17:41:30]
<bad at
vijya> time for very high compression since iirc it's all
XML
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L432[18:02:44]
<greysondn>
*shrug
L433[18:03:04]
<greysondn>
I just use 7Zip, for a lot of reasons, including I can chuck it on
the disc as a portable app with the compressed archive
L434[18:03:32]
<greysondn>
The real advantages come when multiple backups are in one solid
archive together; it just points to the same data instead of
packing it in there twice
L435[18:03:49]
<greysondn>
Not very proud of it, but it's "good enough".
L436[18:04:09]
<greysondn>
Contrary to what Github thinks, I don't think my stuff deserves to
be preserved in an ice vault.
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L439[18:11:24]
<bad at
vijya> i mean, i could do that with my cpio thing if i had a few
hunded GiB of RAM
L440[18:18:51]
<ThePiGuy24> my shitty game that i made
back in 2018 was preserfed for no good reason
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L442[18:22:24] <NewChestPlays> hello
L443[18:22:41] <NewChestPlays> does this
work
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L445[18:24:55]
<bobasrty>
is this a irc channel?
L446[18:25:40] <CompanionCube> yes
L447[18:27:21] <Michiyo> *THIS* is an IRC
channel *THAT* is a Discord channel, and the two are bridged.
L448[18:27:31]
<bobasrty>
doesnt that mean i can get on this channel using oc?
L449[18:27:37]
<ThePiGuy24> correct
L450[18:27:46] <Michiyo> By default the
irc program in OC will connect you here
L451[18:27:46]
<bobasrty>
noice
L452[18:27:51]
<bread™>
esper i think
L453[18:27:52]
<bad at
vijya> god
L454[18:27:56]
<bobasrty>
ah
L455[18:27:56]
<ThePiGuy24> well you can go on the irc
channel that is bridged here
L456[18:27:57] <Michiyo> irc.esper.net
#oc
L457[18:27:59]
<bad at
vijya> the XFA looks wacky without the scarface skin
L458[18:28:21] <uuhhhhhh1> hello
there
L459[18:28:24]
<ThePiGuy24> so its mostly the same
experience, except with less theft of your personal
information
L460[18:28:28] <uuhhhhhh1> oh
goddamnit
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L463[18:28:41] <Michiyo> dot dot dot
L464[18:28:48] <Michiyo> you know you can
just /nick right?
L465[18:29:13] <uuhhhhhhhh> right i forgot
that was a thing
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L467[18:31:15] <bobasrty> hello?
L468[18:31:23]
<ThePiGuy24> yes
L469[18:31:29] <bobasrty> nice it
works
L470[18:31:35]
<bread™>
indeed
L471[18:31:40] <bobasrty> on MineOS
rn
L472[18:31:51]
<bread™>
ew
L473[18:31:52]
<ThePiGuy24> before you ask: corded is the
bridge
L474[18:32:02] <bobasrty> ok
L475[18:32:13] <uuhhhhhhhh> pretty
obv
L476[18:32:21] <bobasrty> im in a
superflat world
L477[18:32:22] <uuhhhhhhhh> its literally
the nickname :P
L478[18:32:31] <bobasrty> the slimes are
annoying af
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L481[18:38:49] <Michiyo> uuhhhhhhhh, You
would be surprised how many people will try to talk to Corded
directly
L482[18:38:56] <Michiyo> so many in face
we had to do this %corded
L483[18:38:57] <MichiBot> Michiyo:
Corded is a relay between IRC and Discord. The user talking is
between the <>
L484[18:39:00] <bobasrty> lol
L485[18:39:35] <Michiyo>
s/face/fact/
L486[18:39:35] <MichiBot> <Michiyo>
so many in fact we had to do this %corded
L487[18:40:09] <bobasrty> alright im gonna
get off minecraft
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L489[18:43:13] <uuhhhhhhhh> bye!
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L497[20:19:46] <Amanda> s/1lie/1
lie/
L499[21:08:35]
<Ariri> It
is, good meme
L500[21:08:39]
<Ariri>
%inari
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L510[22:25:09] <Amanda> %p
L511[22:25:10] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.28s
L512[22:26:54] <Amanda> %P
L513[22:26:55] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.28s
L514[22:35:34] <Amanda> %p
L515[22:35:35] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.28s
L516[22:37:01] <SquidDev> %tonk
L517[22:37:01] <MichiBot> Wild! SquidDev!
You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 6 hours, 4 minutes
and 7 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L518[22:37:02] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new
record is 6 hours, 4 minutes and 7 seconds! No points gained for
stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00607)
L519[22:42:30] <Amanda> %p
L520[22:42:32] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.28s
L521[22:44:00]
<bad at
vijya> Izaya: I can remove the black bars from Ace Combat
7!
L522[22:45:27] <Amanda> %p
L523[22:45:28] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.3s
L524[22:45:34] <Amanda> Wahay, I cen see
new messages again!
L525[22:45:54] <Amanda> %remindme 12h
figure out why miranda's not cleaning up old generations
L526[22:45:55] <MichiBot> I'll remind you
about "figure out why miranda's not cleaning up old
generations" at 10/31/2020 10:45:54 AM
L527[22:51:34] <Amanda> %splash inari with
mutable tan potion
L528[22:51:35] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable tan potion (New!) that splashes onto inari. inari turns
into a green horse boy until they eat a pie.
L529[22:52:09] <Inari> rude
L530[22:52:49] <Amanda> No u
L533[23:00:43] <Amanda> But I don't get
it, there's no values fur 4:3 listed
L534[23:00:57] *
Amanda giggle flees
L535[23:01:10]
<bad at
vijya> yea there are tho
L536[23:01:34]
<bad at
vijya> same thing as the best aspect ratio
L537[23:02:08] <Amanda> "don't
need!"?
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L541[23:21:25]
<bad at
vijya> yea
L542[23:21:27]
<bad at
vijya> but tbh
L543[23:21:33]
<bad at
vijya> it does need some tweaking
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