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L1[00:01:56] <Michiyo> yeah you can totally remap documents/desktop/ a hand full of other directories in windows 7+
L2[00:02:14] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/7CDjYWSQEgjnXs9
L3[00:02:25] <Michiyo> It's currently pissing off FFXIV but that's ok right now
L4[00:06:07] <CompanionCube> %inv add fucked politics
L5[00:06:07] * MichiBot summons 'fucked politics' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
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L7[00:14:47] <Michiyo> Sometimes I question if my coworkers dropped the brain cell they share, and lost it.
L8[00:14:50] * Michiyo sighs
L9[00:15:31] <Ariri> Accidental shift+del, perhaps
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L11[00:17:24] <Michiyo> I really want a bigger SSD.
L12[00:20:57] <Michiyo> @Forec​aster getting my dev env setup for OS
L13[00:21:20] <Michiyo> I'll try to get that working for you ASAP.. but work first sadly and I had a fuckton dumped on me
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L15[00:22:55] <Michiyo> Could not create an instance of Tooling API implementation using the specified Gradle distribution 'https://services.gradle.org/distributions/gradle-4.1-bin.zip'.
L16[00:22:55] <Michiyo> Could not determine java version from '14.0.2'.
L17[00:22:58] * Michiyo sighs
L18[00:23:00] <Michiyo> or.. not
L19[00:24:14] <Michiyo> I don't HAVE java 14...
L20[00:26:20] <Michiyo> j8 u261, JDK 8u261, and J6u33...
L21[00:26:36] <bad at​ vijya> oh boy, windows doesn't detect my flash drive
L22[00:26:38] <bad at​ vijya> the one
L23[00:26:42] <bad at​ vijya> formatted for NTFS
L24[00:26:45] <Michiyo> I quit
L25[00:26:46] <Michiyo> afk
L26[00:27:22] <CompanionCube> %slap tories, BBC, labour in that order.
L27[00:27:22] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube is trying to slap tories, BBC, labour in that order.! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
L28[00:28:13] <CompanionCube> Izaya: today in the fucked up garbage that is UK politics we have such things as 'BBC staff told they could be suspended if they attend LGBT pride events under new rules'
L29[00:29:11] <CompanionCube> (also labour party internal shenanigans that i had a muted reaction too for a while but later i thought more, and the above headline just went 'lol nope fuck this all'
L30[00:29:30] <CompanionCube> skyem: ^
L31[00:29:47] <ThePi​Guy24> man i love this country
L32[00:29:51] <Ocawes​ome101> three adders: standard redstone, Project Red redstone, and Project Red redstone on an IC https://tinyurl.com/y5sk5gka
L33[00:29:55] <Ocawes​ome101> sounds nice lol
L34[00:30:06] <Ocawes​ome101> /s
L35[00:30:12] <CompanionCube> ThePiGuy24: and since hard brexit is coming, we ain't seen nothin yet!
L36[00:30:20] <ThePi​Guy24> weeew
L37[00:30:25] <ThePi​Guy24> cant fucking wait
L38[00:32:14] <bad at​ vijya> >windows shuts down when i try to make install media
L39[00:32:19] <bad at​ vijya> of c o u r s e
L40[00:32:37] <CompanionCube> everything under the tories is COOL AND NORMAL
L41[00:37:28] <Amanda> %splash a rude fox called Inari with mutable coral potion
L42[00:37:28] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable coral potion (New!) that splashes onto a rude fox called Inari. a rude fox called Inari turns into a tan frog boy until they have an apple.
L43[00:55:23] <bad at​ vijya> oh neat
L44[00:55:32] <bad at​ vijya> the windows "installation media tool" isn't downloading anything
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L51[02:11:50] <Michiyo> java.version=14.0.2
L52[02:11:52] <Michiyo> wtf how??
L53[02:13:40] <Michiyo> java.runtime.name=OpenJDK Runtime Environment
L54[02:13:40] <Michiyo> java.runtime.version=14.0.2+12-46
L55[02:13:51] <Michiyo> I don't even HAVE OpenJDK installed o_o
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L57[02:15:21] <Michiyo> OH WHAT THE FUCK ECLIPSE?!
L58[02:15:30] <Michiyo> C:\Users\Michi\.p2\pool\plugins\org.eclipse.justj.openjdk.hotspot.jre.full.win32.x86_64_14.0.2.v20200815-0932\jre
L59[02:27:14] <Michiyo> and even after changing the JRE env it's still wrong
L60[02:30:21] <Michiyo> fuck it, IDEA it is
L61[02:38:28] <Michiyo> %flip
L62[02:38:28] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: (╯°□°)╯┻━┻
L63[02:38:35] <Michiyo> duplicate fucking mods.
L64[02:38:38] * Michiyo screams
L65[03:20:01] <Klea​dron> solar eclipse
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L68[03:42:23] <bad at​ vijya> ah
L69[03:42:24] <bad at​ vijya> oh boy
L70[03:42:29] <bad at​ vijya> i have to have all the drivers
L71[03:42:31] <bad at​ vijya> when i install windows
L72[03:42:32] <bad at​ vijya> apparently
L73[03:48:57] <bad at​ vijya> i'm gonna cry if i need to remove my hard drives and second ssd just for this garbage
L74[03:57:22] <bad at​ vijya> s i g h
L75[03:57:23] <bad at​ vijya> yeah
L76[03:57:24] <bad at​ vijya> i do
L77[04:00:09] <bad at​ vijya> i tHINK I JUST PULLED A FUCKING MUSCLE IN MY SHOULDER
L78[04:00:10] <bad at​ vijya> GOD
L79[04:00:11] <bad at​ vijya> FUCKING
L80[04:00:12] <bad at​ vijya> DAMNIT
L81[04:10:29] <bad at​ vijya> if it gives me an error with only my ssd, gpu, and a ps/2 keyboard connected
L82[04:10:32] <bad at​ vijya> i will scream
L83[04:11:08] <bad at​ vijya> HOW
L84[04:11:10] <bad at​ vijya> FUCKING HOW
L85[04:11:38] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y3abmk42
L86[04:16:01] <Michiyo> I fucking hate MC Mod dev.
L87[04:20:36] <ben_mkiv> +1
L88[04:20:39] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: I assume you have SATA controller and chipset drivers loaded?
L89[04:22:35] <Michiyo> java.lang.NoSuchFieldError: isBlockContainer
L90[04:22:38] <Michiyo> OH GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
L91[04:26:36] <bad at​ vijya> they should be
L92[04:26:59] <bad at​ vijya> but ay lmao it's wangblows
L93[04:27:25] <bad at​ vijya> honestly it might be more worth my time to use qemu or w/e
L94[04:27:46] <bad at​ vijya> all i wanted to play was plane game
L95[04:28:06] <bad at​ vijya> which is the only game that doesn't detect my controller
L96[04:31:53] <bad at​ vijya> in proton, that is
L97[04:32:15] <Izaya> force steam input on
L98[04:32:18] <Izaya> or off
L99[04:32:21] <Izaya> try all options
L100[04:33:06] <bad at​ vijya> yea
L101[04:33:14] <bad at​ vijya> otherwise the game runs great
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L103[04:51:08] <bad at​ vijya> i now have a free 500gb ssd
L104[04:51:09] <bad at​ vijya> what do
L105[04:57:35] <Ariri> 500gb page file
L106[05:01:34] <Michiyo> mod a wants mapping x, mod b wants mapping y, and mod c breaks on either of them.
L107[05:07:37] <bad at​ vijya> something about nuking a dirve that's only given me trouble
L108[05:07:40] <bad at​ vijya> feels so good
L109[05:07:44] <bad at​ vijya> well
L110[05:07:51] <bad at​ vijya> a drive with an OS that's given me trouble
L111[05:33:05] <Michiyo> Ok, it took me so long to get the damn mod into a buildable state I don't have time to work on it.
L112[05:33:20] <Michiyo> @Forec​aster I'll have to poke this tomorrow.. I still can't run the damn mod in the IDE for debugging
L113[05:33:24] <Michiyo> Fucking deps.
L114[05:33:39] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: i changed nothing and it works
L115[05:33:49] <bad at​ vijya> bandai namco/10
L116[05:35:18] <Izaya> checks out
L117[05:40:05] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y32dk82o
L118[06:15:15] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L119[06:15:16] <MichiBot> Golly! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 4 hours, 16 minutes and 50 seconds (By 5 hours, 51 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L120[06:15:17] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk points! plus 0.018 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.45841372, Position #2 Need 0.0357162 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L130[09:21:13] <SquidDev> %tonk
L131[09:21:13] <MichiBot> Holy brick Batman! Squi​dDev! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L132[09:21:14] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new record is 3 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds! SquidDev also gained 0.0031 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.26763564 more points to pass Forec​aster!
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L139[09:45:05] <Forec​aster> @Michiyo no real hurry, I still have to finish updating/porting the modpack platform before I can even think about launching this thing :P
L140[09:46:49] <Forec​aster> although the sooner the better cause I will need to update the factory hardware and software with these new features so I can run a small scale test
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L147[11:30:52] <Amanda> Inari: do you think frogs should have apples?
L148[11:31:02] <Inari> nope
L149[11:31:10] <Inari> frogs taste better with oranges
L150[11:31:22] <Amanda> Good! Enjoy you're new life as a tan frog boy
L151[11:31:28] <Inari> smh
L152[11:31:31] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L153[11:31:33] <MichiBot> Inari flings a shiny amethyst potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. The potion contained a computer virus! It just changed Amanda's background...
L154[11:33:03] <Amanda> Rude!
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L160[12:20:41] <Izaya> Amanda's new background: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/63636337
L161[12:21:18] <Amanda> I interpreted it as changing the colour under my fur
L162[12:22:54] <Izaya> >:D got the first two insect glaives from the rathlos set
L163[12:23:26] <Izaya> I can make the azure rathlos ones once I kill a few more of those, which will be my first rarity 7 weapons
L164[12:28:04] <Inari> Noice
L165[12:28:10] <Inari> I'm starting iceborne soon
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L167[12:54:25] <Izaya> I'm quite a distance from that, I think
L168[12:54:43] <Izaya> got to fight 3 elder dragons next but I've switched primary weapon type so I've been killing stuff for mats for the last few days.
L169[13:00:43] <Forec​aster> %sip
L170[13:00:44] <MichiBot> You drink a soft silver potion (New!). Forecaster's toes turn invisible until have some bacon.
L171[13:01:06] <Forec​aster> until have some bacon indeed
L172[13:01:27] <Amanda> close enough, ship it
L173[13:01:50] <Izaya> wanna
L174[13:01:53] <Izaya> kill some nergigantes
L175[13:02:01] <Izaya> so I can make the nergigante weapons
L176[13:02:11] <Izaya> with that absurdly high dragon damage
L177[13:02:13] <Izaya> >:D
L178[13:10:07] <Amanda> %choose cubes or observe puppers
L179[13:10:07] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Once you get a taste of "observe puppers" you can't stop.
L180[13:11:58] <Izaya> is the new one out?
L181[13:12:45] <Izaya> it's not available via my ... preferred channels yet but I heard it was coming out today https://imgur.com/cCy2djU.png
L182[13:13:53] <Amanda> Yup, it's been out since yesterday
L183[13:14:07] <Forec​aster> I'm also standing by for it to show up
L184[13:16:28] <Amanda> Remember, any tampering or alterations to your Optick™ are not permitted!
L185[13:16:56] <Izaya> hm
L186[13:17:13] <Izaya> I wonder if it's the same situation as previous Ubisoft games where DXVK actually helps performance
L187[13:17:16] <Izaya> that'd be nice
L188[13:18:46] <Amanda> oh good. one of the impotant controller bindings gets intercepted by the steamlink app. :D
L189[13:19:29] <Izaya> hm, doesn't run yet by the looks
L190[13:19:45] <Izaya> by the time it's available to me it should be working nicely :3
L191[13:34:12] <Forec​aster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QwMv0_Rkec
L192[13:34:13] <MichiBot> The First Internet Worm (Morris Worm) - Computerphile | length: 14m 21s | Likes: 17 Dislikes: 0 Views: 136 | by Computerphile | Published On 30/10/2020
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L195[14:12:04] <Amanda> Yo Ubisoft, that's not cool! You can't just list a woman as a reward for something! https://nc.ddna.co/s/qD6CqdZKRqW4qrx
L196[14:13:46] <Inari> l-lewd
L197[14:56:05] <grey​sondn> Literally hurting over going to 1.15.2 and not having OC available. 😦
L198[15:07:11] <B​ob> 1.12.2 is fine :GWlulurdMmmYea:
L199[15:08:04] <Ocawes​ome101> 1.12.2 : 1.16.3 :: 1.8.9 : 1.12.2
L200[15:22:04] <bad at​ vijya> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/iweborosol
L201[15:24:05] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yxwrmps2
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L210[15:39:08] <CHRIS2> hi
L211[15:39:20] <Forec​aster> %hello
L212[15:39:22] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L213[15:39:28] <aaaaaaaaa> hello
L214[15:39:36] <aaaaaaaaa> good mod
L215[15:39:44] <Ocawes​ome101> yeah opencomputers is pretty great
L216[15:40:08] <aaaaaaaaa> i agree
L217[15:40:41] <CHRIS2> i am aaaaa but from other computer
L218[15:40:50] <CHRIS2> in the world
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L225[16:08:51] <chris> ηι
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L228[16:21:29] <Elfi> Good to see OpenComputers is still keeping the eternal september spirit alive and strong
L229[16:21:54] * Amanda giggles
L230[16:22:16] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, mewls, wishing that her township wouldn't flood the watermains with chlorine just because it's raining out
L231[16:22:47] * Elfi petpetpets
L232[16:29:24] <Amanda> %choose recent cubes or older cubes
L233[16:29:24] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick "older cubes"
L234[16:31:46] <Saphire> Hm
L235[16:31:51] <Saphire> Aw no bold :C
L236[16:32:48] <Michiyo> No bold you say?!
L237[16:32:53] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L238[16:32:53] <MichiBot> By my throth! Squi​dDev! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 5 minutes and 58 seconds (By 4 hours, 5 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L239[16:32:54] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.007 tonk points! plus 0.012 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.20977808, Position #3 Need 0.24863564 more points to pass Forec​aster!
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L241[16:43:08] <bad at​ vijya> god
L242[16:43:11] <grey​sondn> But on a serious note, are there any plans to upgrade OC to 1.15.2? I've looked through everything I could find at this point and didn't see a yes/no.
L243[16:43:17] <bad at​ vijya> i'm still tilted at last night
L244[16:43:28] <bad at​ vijya> also tl;dr "it'll happen when it happens", afaict @greysondn
L245[16:43:42] <grey​sondn> I'm totally okay with waiting.
L246[16:43:51] <grey​sondn> Had just wanted to be sure it wasn't an "absolutely not".
L247[16:44:22] <Michiyo> Sangar has been gone for a while, payonel is the project maintainer now and is super busy with life. There have been a handful of people who said they would port it, and then... never came back
L248[16:44:41] <Michiyo> They stared into the abyss...
L249[16:44:57] <Amanda> There's also that one that "ported" it by removing all the actual code of the mod.
L250[16:45:01] <bad at​ vijya> i can't write scala, all i can write is kotlin, c, and lua
L251[16:45:39] <bad at​ vijya> also, i've decided to move my linux install to my 500GB SSD and use my 128GB SSD as a cache
L252[16:46:17] <grey​sondn> Ouch. If it was at least in Java, I could maybe stare it down after my current project.
L253[16:46:22] <grey​sondn> I didn't realize.
L254[16:46:25] <grey​sondn> What a nightmare.
L255[16:46:29] <ben_mkiv> as a cache for what?
L256[16:47:19] <Michiyo> OC is a mix of Scala and Java. IIRC there is a desire to move away from Scala though
L257[16:47:43] <ben_mkiv> theres a desire to move at all?
L258[16:47:45] <bad at​ vijya> gonna try to make it so i can make it fetch files from the SSD if they're accessed often enough
L259[16:47:49] <Michiyo> also IIRC, I think newer forge versions don't ship scala support, so you have to add that yourself.
L260[16:47:50] <bad at​ vijya> from my HDDs, that is
L261[16:47:55] <bad at​ vijya> oh yikes
L262[16:48:03] <ben_mkiv> yea scala was removed
L263[16:48:06] <grey​sondn> More nightmares on top of the already ones.
L264[16:48:35] <Michiyo> So, to move forward you either HAVE to port Scala -> Java, AND update to newer Forge/MC internals
L265[16:48:41] <SquidDev> There's Scorge, which is the scala language adapter. It's not currently maintained, but I imagine it's relatively easy (compared with the rest of the update) to fix.
L266[16:48:45] <Michiyo> OR you have to ship your own scala
L267[16:48:54] <Michiyo> Yeah with that ^
L268[16:49:18] <grey​sondn> As far as moving from 1.12.2 to 1.15.2 - it looks like this will be the next one that everyone stalls on right now. Much of vanilla runs better and sucks less in 1.15.2, and that as a basis would help quite a lot of things. (We'd also get the higher ID limitations, and a few random things like that which should never have required mods in the first place.)
L269[16:49:23] <Michiyo> But I know Sangar and payo were discussing dropping scala back in the before times
L270[16:49:39] <ben_mkiv> honestly i feel like a java rewrite would be more sane
L271[16:50:13] <ben_mkiv> that would also reach more people to fix/improve stuff
L272[16:50:17] <grey​sondn> Moving to 1.16+ isn't practical right now for most mods because vanilla broke custom dimensions entirely
L273[16:50:24] <grey​sondn> So that's where that's at.
L274[16:50:31] <bad at​ vijya> [x] incredible
L275[16:50:51] <bad at​ vijya> but yeah, i need to look into the source of Forgelin
L276[16:50:56] <bad at​ vijya> port it to 1.15 just because
L277[16:51:09] <bad at​ vijya> so i can have OSSM on 1.15 :^)
L278[16:51:43] <bad at​ vijya> okay this doesn't seem hard
L279[16:51:57] <ben_mkiv> how did they break dimensions?
L280[16:52:15] <ben_mkiv> i've played 1.16 with AE2 and was able to use spatial storage without trouble
L281[16:52:22] <ben_mkiv> which uses a custom dimension
L282[16:54:38] <ben_mkiv> also played with rats on 1.16, which also has a custom dimension
L283[16:54:49] <SquidDev> Is this 1.16.2 or 1.16.3?
L284[16:54:58] <ben_mkiv> the pack was 1.16.1 iirc
L285[16:55:12] <SquidDev> Yeah. The changes only came through in 1.16.3.
L286[16:55:13] <ben_mkiv> but he said 1.16+ so...
L287[16:55:19] <ben_mkiv> ok then nvm
L288[16:55:34] <SquidDev> I think at least. Mojang made everything all jsony (yay), but also very hard to extend.
L289[16:56:30] <grey​sondn> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/dojemevezu
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L293[16:57:18] <grey​sondn> AFAIK it was 1.16+ somewhere; Squid's claim that it's 1.16.3 is likely correct and would be news to me. I would have assumed that AN API BREAKING CHANGE WOULD MERIT A MINOR RELEASE but apparently we don't live in a world with version standards.
L294[16:57:36] <SquidDev> It had no content changes, so probably wasn't worth it.
L295[16:57:47] <ben_mkiv> welcome to microsoft
L296[16:57:50] <SquidDev> I imagine they'd planned to get it into 1.16, but missed the deadline :).
L297[16:57:59] <ben_mkiv> the change versions when they add content which is interesting for players
L298[16:58:06] <SquidDev> Hey, this definitely would have happened pre MS acquisition.
L299[16:58:07] <ben_mkiv> not if they change stuff which is relevant for modders
L300[16:58:18] <grey​sondn> What, mid 2020?
L301[16:58:34] <ben_mkiv> well ok, then welcome to the minecraft dev team :P
L302[16:59:03] <grey​sondn> I don't see many mods adopting 1.16.2
L303[16:59:11] <grey​sondn> That doesn't mean they won't
L304[16:59:19] <grey​sondn> But I think it really is a hatred of the 1.16 line at this point :/
L305[16:59:21] <grey​sondn> But I think it really is a hatred of the 1.16 line at this point 😐 [Edited]
L306[16:59:46] <grey​sondn> There's also the fact that there's this pressure to shift over to Fabric apparently
L307[16:59:54] <grey​sondn> So I'm just hoping we get that mess sorted out before too long.
L308[17:00:14] <grey​sondn> Interoperability would at least be nice between the two ecosystems, but one claims it's not their problem and the other claims they don't have time or energy.
L309[17:00:45] <grey​sondn> ~~Hot take: As a user, I shouldn't have to care about internal politics of mod ecosystems~~
L310[17:00:46] <Amanda> There's like ~200 mods in ATM6 which is a 1.16.3-based pack
L311[17:01:12] <grey​sondn> "Okay, and?"
L312[17:01:49] <Amanda> why go to 1.16.2 when there's plenty for 1.16.3
L313[17:02:23] <grey​sondn> Apparently, I'm not allowed to have mods I like and "omg I couldn't live without..."
L314[17:02:34] <Amanda> I said nothing of the sort.
L315[17:02:46] <grey​sondn> 200 mods means nothing if it's not 200 mods I'm actually interested in.
L316[17:02:54] <Amanda> I'm just wondering why someone would update to a lower point release than the latest
L317[17:03:02] <grey​sondn> I already answered this.
L318[17:03:11] <Amanda> like. You don't have people complaining about the lack of 1.12.1 mods
L319[17:03:27] <SquidDev> There's a surprising number of people still running 1.16.1, even when IIRC 1.16.2 didn't have any breaking changes.
L320[17:03:42] <grey​sondn> That at least I could believe.
L321[17:03:58] <grey​sondn> I went through every mod for 1.16.x and every mod for 1.15.x on curseforge.
L322[17:04:10] <grey​sondn> Literally. Every. Mod.
L323[17:04:40] <grey​sondn> What I found was that every mod I cared about wasn't on 1.16, and wouldn't be. (We can omit MCreator based mods in that listing, because who cares.)
L324[17:05:20] <Amanda> I mean. 1.16's only a couple of months old, isn't it? IT'll take awhile for the forge APIs to settle
L325[17:05:37] <ben_mkiv> yea but plenty of popular mods are already ported, like AE2, RefinedStorage, RFTools, ...
L326[17:05:39] <grey​sondn> For a long time, most mods were stalled at 1.12.2.
L327[17:05:43] <ben_mkiv> mekanism*
L328[17:05:52] <Amanda> That's because Forge was stalled at 1.12
L329[17:06:10] <SquidDev> There's definitely PRs in the works to get Forge shipshape when it comes to dimensions. I think everyone is aware it's a problem.
L330[17:06:34] <ben_mkiv> CC afaik is also on 1.16.x
L331[17:06:42] <Amanda> A lot of breaking changes were made sometime after 1.12, and forge decided to use that as an excuse to trim some of thelegacy fat from the APIs
L332[17:06:51] <SquidDev> Hehe, yes we are. But I have too much free time.
L333[17:07:02] <ben_mkiv> does CC have persistance by now?
L334[17:07:02] <grey​sondn> CC:Tweaked is on 1.15.2, I don't know about later than that.
L335[17:07:18] <SquidDev> ben_mkiv: The changes are in the Lua VM, working on getting it integrated into the main mod.
L336[17:07:21] <Amanda> I may have been privately reviving some of my old CC messes
L337[17:07:31] <grey​sondn> snaps fingers That's where I know Squid from. Had been trying to place it XD
L338[17:07:33] <SquidDev> It's rather hard to retrofit it (funny that).
L339[17:07:37] <grey​sondn> Yes, I'm literally that slow sometimes.
L340[17:07:46] <ben_mkiv> nice to hear that its on the todo list
L341[17:08:02] <SquidDev> It was that or have someone complain about it once a month :p.
L342[17:09:09] <grey​sondn> Actually leads to an entirely different question. From the lua-code-on-the-machine side of things, how different is CC vs OC, really?
L343[17:09:17] <SquidDev> Very.
L344[17:09:39] <Amanda> OC
L345[17:09:39] <Ocawes​ome101> CC uses a Java VM (Cobalt) while OC uses PUC Lua with a sandboxing script
L346[17:09:53] <Ocawes​ome101> that's why OC doesn't allow most of the debug API
L347[17:10:08] <grey​sondn> Well, that's background mostly?
L348[17:10:19] <Amanda> OC's abstracted to the point where you don't even need to use Lua in the arches, CC's much more tied into the lua stuff
L349[17:10:21] <grey​sondn> I meant when I go to write lua code for the ingame machinery.
L350[17:10:43] <grey​sondn> ~~Python for CC when~~
L351[17:10:45] <grey​sondn> Um.
L352[17:10:59] <grey​sondn> Even that doesn't matter when I go to write lua code for the ingame machinery.
L353[17:11:03] <ben_mkiv> python for OC is a thing
L354[17:11:09] <SquidDev> Python for CC is a thing.
L355[17:11:10] <grey​sondn> I'm aware.
L356[17:11:15] <grey​sondn> I was not aware of the second.
L357[17:11:29] <SquidDev> The architecture of the two mods is very different (for instance, OC's components rather than CC's peripherals), and that kinda propagates downwards. The two Lua side OSes are rather different.
L358[17:11:34] <grey​sondn> It seems like people keep finding out Python for OC is a thing from me.
L359[17:12:10] <ben_mkiv> i prefer lua over python anyways
L360[17:12:21] <grey​sondn> On a scale from one to don't, let's please not do that.
L361[17:12:29] <ben_mkiv> i can't deal with a language who forces me to use the exact amount of spaces/tabs to get stuff running
L362[17:12:39] <grey​sondn> Again, let's please not do this.
L363[17:13:00] <grey​sondn> You prefer Lua. I prefer Python. Okay. Good talk.
L364[17:13:52] <ben_mkiv> indeed
L365[17:14:08] <Amanda> I prefer Go.
L366[17:14:15] * Amanda flees
L367[17:14:25] <grey​sondn> .... Squid, in OC Python is a core that's kinda not mature and hard to work with. There's not much more than a REPL/interpreter for it, although it can run python scripts which comply. How's it looking in CC land?
L368[17:14:29] <grey​sondn> Any more mature?
L369[17:15:08] <ben_mkiv> so what you are saying is "it runs python but you cant do stuff with it"?
L370[17:15:18] <grey​sondn> Mate, I've asked nicely to not do this.
L371[17:15:21] <grey​sondn> So please don't do this.
L372[17:15:26] <ben_mkiv> i just wonder
L373[17:15:31] <grey​sondn> IDGAF.
L374[17:15:37] <grey​sondn> You're being antagonistic,
L375[17:15:46] <grey​sondn> Please knock it the fuck off.
L376[17:15:48] <ben_mkiv> you got serious anger problems
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L378[17:15:52] <ben_mkiv> my statement was about the languages
L379[17:15:54] <grey​sondn> Please knock it the *** off. [Edited]
L380[17:16:01] <grey​sondn> Cool.
L381[17:16:02] <ben_mkiv> now i wonder how usable the OC python integration is
L382[17:16:11] <ben_mkiv> and you start to rage
L383[17:16:23] <grey​sondn> No, you want to talk about how awful python is, and you're JAQing off to get there.
L384[17:16:29] <uuhhhhhhhh> it only supports the basics
L385[17:16:33] <uuhhhhhhhh> most scripts dont work
L386[17:16:54] <ben_mkiv> thanks uuhhhhhhhh, so is it able to interact with components at all or nah?
L387[17:17:04] <uuhhhhhhhh> nope
L388[17:17:08] <uuhhhhhhhh> its just pure python
L389[17:17:15] <uuhhhhhhhh> wait
L390[17:17:19] <Ocawes​ome101> actually
L391[17:17:21] <uuhhhhhhhh> are you talking about the package
L392[17:17:21] <grey​sondn> It can, it's just a pain.
L393[17:17:23] <uuhhhhhhhh> or the mod
L394[17:17:24] <Ocawes​ome101> yes it can interact with components
L395[17:17:32] <uuhhhhhhhh> im confused lol
L396[17:17:45] <grey​sondn> OpenPython is generally held to be "the best we're gonna get".
L397[17:17:48] <grey​sondn> I was speaking of that.
L398[17:17:50] <ben_mkiv> i only know about a mod which was on curseforge
L399[17:18:03] <uuhhhhhhhh> ah
L400[17:18:18] <uuhhhhhhhh> i was talkin g about the package
L401[17:18:23] <ben_mkiv> yea which seems to be openpython
L402[17:18:32] <uuhhhhhhhh> openpython supports everything python can do
L403[17:18:37] <uuhhhhhhhh> plus some oc stuff in the mix
L404[17:18:45] <uuhhhhhhhh> like components, etc
L405[17:21:55] <SquidDev> Is the python sandboxed at all? That's definitely been a flaw with implementations I've seen for CC.
L406[17:22:42] <grey​sondn> The major pain point as far as I've experienced - two, actually - is that there's no OS (like openOS for Lua ~~I was working off and on with that before my life happened~~) and there's no robust API reference for the OC parts (which makes guessing a bit frustrating at times).
L407[17:22:54] <grey​sondn> As far as sandboxing, I don't know. I never thought to try.
L408[17:23:02] <grey​sondn> I'm the only programmer in a crew of like eight people.
L409[17:23:11] <SquidDev> Ahh, looks like it is - uses micropython rather than cpython too.
L410[17:23:12] <grey​sondn> Literally the entire server's citizenship.
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L412[17:23:52] <grey​sondn> I did ask and it may have gotten lost - is CC's implementation any more mature than OC's?
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L414[17:24:01] <grey​sondn> For Python integration, I mean
L415[17:24:08] <SquidDev> Oh, lol no.
L416[17:24:25] <SquidDev> It's literally a Lua script which bridges calls to/from a separate Python server.
L417[17:24:37] <grey​sondn> Thought about that.
L418[17:24:44] <grey​sondn> I've done it for BizHawk to do AI work.
L419[17:24:46] <SquidDev> It's very cool, but somewhat impractical for server use.
L420[17:24:50] <grey​sondn> Just didn't seem - yeah.
L421[17:24:52] <grey​sondn> Exactly that.
L422[17:25:14] <grey​sondn> At that point I'd rather have the RaspberryPi python stuff for minecraft.
L423[17:25:52] <grey​sondn> I just realized it's cold in here
L424[17:26:05] <grey​sondn> Off-topic, I know
L425[17:30:35] <Ocawes​ome101> this entire channel might as well be offtopic
L426[17:36:01] <bad at​ vijya> time to back up my windows userdata
L427[17:36:39] <bad at​ vijya> `find . -depth | cpio -o6 | lrzip -p 8 > ~/usr_backup.cpio.lrz`
L428[17:40:53] <bad at​ vijya> cpio64 lmao
L429[17:41:22] <bad at​ vijya> ah here's the space engineers saves
L430[17:41:30] <bad at​ vijya> time for very high compression since iirc it's all XML
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L432[18:02:44] <grey​sondn> *shrug
L433[18:03:04] <grey​sondn> I just use 7Zip, for a lot of reasons, including I can chuck it on the disc as a portable app with the compressed archive
L434[18:03:32] <grey​sondn> The real advantages come when multiple backups are in one solid archive together; it just points to the same data instead of packing it in there twice
L435[18:03:49] <grey​sondn> Not very proud of it, but it's "good enough".
L436[18:04:09] <grey​sondn> Contrary to what Github thinks, I don't think my stuff deserves to be preserved in an ice vault.
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L439[18:11:24] <bad at​ vijya> i mean, i could do that with my cpio thing if i had a few hunded GiB of RAM
L440[18:18:51] <ThePi​Guy24> my shitty game that i made back in 2018 was preserfed for no good reason
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L442[18:22:24] <NewChestPlays> hello
L443[18:22:41] <NewChestPlays> does this work
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L445[18:24:55] <boba​srty> is this a irc channel?
L446[18:25:40] <CompanionCube> yes
L447[18:27:21] <Michiyo> *THIS* is an IRC channel *THAT* is a Discord channel, and the two are bridged.
L448[18:27:31] <boba​srty> doesnt that mean i can get on this channel using oc?
L449[18:27:37] <ThePi​Guy24> correct
L450[18:27:46] <Michiyo> By default the irc program in OC will connect you here
L451[18:27:46] <boba​srty> noice
L452[18:27:51] <bre​ad™> esper i think
L453[18:27:52] <bad at​ vijya> god
L454[18:27:56] <boba​srty> ah
L455[18:27:56] <ThePi​Guy24> well you can go on the irc channel that is bridged here
L456[18:27:57] <Michiyo> irc.esper.net #oc
L457[18:27:59] <bad at​ vijya> the XFA looks wacky without the scarface skin
L458[18:28:21] <uuhhhhhh1> hello there
L459[18:28:24] <ThePi​Guy24> so its mostly the same experience, except with less theft of your personal information
L460[18:28:28] <uuhhhhhh1> oh goddamnit
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L463[18:28:41] <Michiyo> dot dot dot
L464[18:28:48] <Michiyo> you know you can just /nick right?
L465[18:29:13] <uuhhhhhhhh> right i forgot that was a thing
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L467[18:31:15] <bobasrty> hello?
L468[18:31:23] <ThePi​Guy24> yes
L469[18:31:29] <bobasrty> nice it works
L470[18:31:35] <bre​ad™> indeed
L471[18:31:40] <bobasrty> on MineOS rn
L472[18:31:51] <bre​ad™> ew
L473[18:31:52] <ThePi​Guy24> before you ask: corded is the bridge
L474[18:32:02] <bobasrty> ok
L475[18:32:13] <uuhhhhhhhh> pretty obv
L476[18:32:21] <bobasrty> im in a superflat world
L477[18:32:22] <uuhhhhhhhh> its literally the nickname :P
L478[18:32:31] <bobasrty> the slimes are annoying af
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L481[18:38:49] <Michiyo> uuhhhhhhhh, You would be surprised how many people will try to talk to Corded directly
L482[18:38:56] <Michiyo> so many in face we had to do this %corded
L483[18:38:57] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: Cor​ded is a relay between IRC and Discord. The user talking is between the <>
L484[18:39:00] <bobasrty> lol
L485[18:39:35] <Michiyo> s/face/fact/
L486[18:39:35] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> so many in fact we had to do this %corded
L487[18:40:09] <bobasrty> alright im gonna get off minecraft
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L489[18:43:13] <uuhhhhhhhh> bye!
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L495[20:17:36] <Amanda> I woke up with this shitty idea for a meme in my head, had to release it to the ether https://nc.ddna.co/s/edR5AqnawZ7bngM
L496[20:18:36] <Amanda> ( That's inari's avatar, unless https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/search?search=%3Cinari%3E+%21setmyavatar&chan=oc&case=1lied to me
L497[20:19:46] <Amanda> s/1lie/1 lie/
L498[20:19:46] <MichiBot> <Amanda> ( That's inari's avatar, unless https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/search?search=%3Cinari%3E+%21setmyavatar&chan=oc&case=1 lied to me
L499[21:08:35] <Ar​iri> It is, good meme
L500[21:08:39] <Ar​iri> %inari
L501[21:08:40] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: http://i.imgur.com/XoYgHyi.gif
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L510[22:25:09] <Amanda> %p
L511[22:25:10] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.28s
L512[22:26:54] <Amanda> %P
L513[22:26:55] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.28s
L514[22:35:34] <Amanda> %p
L515[22:35:35] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.28s
L516[22:37:01] <SquidDev> %tonk
L517[22:37:01] <MichiBot> Wild! Squi​dDev! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 6 hours, 4 minutes and 7 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L518[22:37:02] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new record is 6 hours, 4 minutes and 7 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00607)
L519[22:42:30] <Amanda> %p
L520[22:42:32] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.28s
L521[22:44:00] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: I can remove the black bars from Ace Combat 7!
L522[22:45:27] <Amanda> %p
L523[22:45:28] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.3s
L524[22:45:34] <Amanda> Wahay, I cen see new messages again!
L525[22:45:54] <Amanda> %remindme 12h figure out why miranda's not cleaning up old generations
L526[22:45:55] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "figure out why miranda's not cleaning up old generations" at 10/31/2020 10:45:54 AM
L527[22:51:34] <Amanda> %splash inari with mutable tan potion
L528[22:51:35] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable tan potion (New!) that splashes onto inari. inari turns into a green horse boy until they eat a pie.
L529[22:52:09] <Inari> rude
L530[22:52:49] <Amanda> No u
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L532[22:57:08] <bad at​ vijya> finally, i can use best aspect ratio https://tinyurl.com/y6jx8dpy
L533[23:00:43] <Amanda> But I don't get it, there's no values fur 4:3 listed
L534[23:00:57] * Amanda giggle flees
L535[23:01:10] <bad at​ vijya> yea there are tho
L536[23:01:34] <bad at​ vijya> same thing as the best aspect ratio
L537[23:02:08] <Amanda> "don't need!"?
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L541[23:21:25] <bad at​ vijya> yea
L542[23:21:27] <bad at​ vijya> but tbh
L543[23:21:33] <bad at​ vijya> it does need some tweaking
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