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L1[00:00:29] <Izaya> wanna know the secret about the Odette series?
L2[00:00:42] <Izaya> all the functional parts are an afterthought
L3[00:01:43] <Izaya> it only has any remotely significant thrust forwards, there's no good placement for guns, and the hangar was literally "can I fit anything into this space otherwise"
L4[00:08:17] <Ocawes​ome101> dang that's a nice robot
L5[00:08:39] <Ocawes​ome101> the UI there looks exactly like the current one... did you only just record that?
L6[00:09:05] <Ocawes​ome101> robots can still be made at 10k CPU afaik
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L9[00:39:48] <Ariri> Ocawesome: Yeah I just recorded it, game was only 1.3gb lol and I couldnt find my old screencaps
L10[00:41:07] <Ariri> The UI has went from orange to blue, and some redesigns, but bits like loading screens, circles, and basic bay layout are nostalgic
L11[00:44:15] <Ariri> I kind of want to play it again with a party tbh
L12[00:44:24] <Ocawes​ome101> "only" 1.3gb
L13[00:44:44] <Ocawes​ome101> i might be able to at some point, though tomorrow because i'm supposed to be off the computer in 15 minutes
L14[00:46:57] <Ariri> It actually only downloaded 874mb of content through steam, which is less than I thought it would be considering all the models, volumetrics, maps, etc
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L16[00:47:21] <Brisingr​Aerowing> ...and Twitch has broken again.
L17[00:47:34] <Ocawes​ome101> 1.3gb on my internet takes between 1 and 4 hours to download usually
L18[00:47:39] <Brisingr​Aerowing> I'm seriously in awe at how many bugs that app has.
L19[00:47:51] <Ocawes​ome101> portal 2's 7gb takes ~8h
L20[00:48:11] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Ouch.
L21[00:48:36] <Brisingr​Aerowing> I can download about 5-7 GB / hour.
L22[00:49:02] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Unless Frontier screws things up.
L23[00:49:08] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Which they do quite often.
L24[00:49:38] <Ocawes​ome101> i get ~8mbit/s down in the middle of the day when my internet is good
L25[00:49:43] <Ariri> At about 300mb/s down on an ssd, I can do about 30 gigs in 45 min
L26[00:49:55] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Their speed test once gave me -100 mbit/s download and NaN upload.
L27[00:49:58] <Ariri> Well, thats how long Genshin Impact took at least
L28[00:50:19] <Izaya> tfw 50/20Mbps
L29[00:50:31] <Ariri> 1.3gb from 1-4 hours is like what 10-30mb/s? FeelsBadMan
L30[00:50:47] <Ocawes​ome101> i mean
L31[00:50:48] <Brisingr​Aerowing> My speed varies wildly. The numbers above are a rough average.
L32[00:50:48] <Ariri> er, minute? quick mafs wrong rn
L33[00:50:51] <Ocawes​ome101> it's actually not that bad usually
L34[00:50:59] <Ocawes​ome101> considering the speed, that is
L35[00:51:13] <Brisingr​Aerowing> It's been faster lately, though I haven't had to download massive files.
L36[00:51:22] <Ocawes​ome101> i can play multiplayer games and usually stream 720p maybe 1080p video
L37[00:52:11] <Ariri> I did a recursive wget of a ~220gb open directory in less than a day, so I suspect there is actually some worth to the high prices I pay for my service
L38[00:52:30] <Ariri> Just less than a day I suppose, maybe 20 hours
L39[00:56:18] <Ariri> Glad to see Steam's download speeds have increased dramatically since I last checked, got 256mbps peak over 2.6gb of data
L40[00:56:37] <Ocawes​ome101> rate my jungle thing http://tinyurl.com/y2mpwash
L41[00:57:22] <Ocawes​ome101> specifically the vine
L42[00:58:36] <Ariri> Not bad, would make the center bit more unifrom and the drooping part a tad more streamlined, but maybe thats just me
L43[00:58:51] <Ocawes​ome101> i mean
L44[00:59:10] <Ocawes​ome101> i just randomly built this by holding right click and flying between them so uh
L45[00:59:26] <Ariri> Id say its a great success then
L46[00:59:58] <Ocawes​ome101> ty :P
L47[01:00:49] <Ariri> Might actually look more like Tarzan style vibes if you put some real vines scattered around it
L48[01:01:12] <Ariri> Sort of a thick forest vibe
L49[01:01:39] <Ariri> %s/style vibes/style vines
L50[01:01:39] <MichiBot> <Ariri> Might actually look more like Tarzan style vines if you put some real vines scattered around it
L51[01:01:39] <Ocawes​ome101> i actually do have real vines on it, they just haven't grown
L52[01:02:02] <Ariri> Ah
L53[01:02:19] <ThePi​Guy24> %s/b/v/g
L54[01:02:20] <MichiBot> <Ariri> Sort of a thick forest vive
L55[01:02:46] <Ocawes​ome101> %s/v/b/g
L56[01:02:46] <MichiBot> <Ariri> Sort of a thick forest bibe
L57[01:02:55] <ThePi​Guy24> meant to do n but eh
L58[01:03:09] <Ocawes​ome101> %s/b/🅱️/g
L59[01:03:10] <MichiBot> <ThePiGuy24> meant to do n 🅱️ut eh
L60[01:03:16] <Ocawes​ome101> ooooops lol
L61[01:03:45] <Ariri> I did actually mean vibe that time
L62[01:04:02] <Ariri> For lack of a better word in my hea
L63[01:04:04] <Ariri> d
L64[01:04:06] <ThePi​Guy24> %s/b/n/g
L65[01:04:06] <MichiBot> <Ariri> For lack of a netter word in my hea
L66[01:04:12] <ThePi​Guy24> oof
L67[01:04:34] <Izaya> got some words for you nerds
L68[01:04:38] <Izaya> USB type C is a psyop
L69[01:04:43] <Ariri> sick rhyme Izaya
L70[01:05:06] <bad at​ vijya> what is usb c
L71[01:05:13] <Izaya> see?
L72[01:05:14] <Ariri> psyop? As in psychological operations?
L73[01:05:17] <Izaya> yes
L74[01:05:21] <Ocawes​ome101> no, C
L75[01:05:24] <ThePi​Guy24> usb c is wonky, as in there are too many pins that can break
L76[01:05:35] <ThePi​Guy24> and short together
L77[01:05:48] <Ariri> But gb/s go brrr
L78[01:05:48] <ThePi​Guy24> and other inconvenient stuff
L79[01:06:14] <ThePi​Guy24> just use ethernet with a few extra wires glued to it
L80[01:06:17] <Izaya> how is it a psyop you ask? simple. it doesn't exist.
L81[01:06:34] <Ariri> Actually I have like 3 usb c cables and an adapter that I use for nothing but my MDR1000XM3s and... thats about it actually
L82[01:06:39] <Ocawes​ome101> wouldn't that be less reliable piguy?
L83[01:06:43] <Ariri> other than that, it means little to me
L84[01:06:56] <Izaya> > USB headphones
L85[01:07:01] <Ariri> Izaya, 'ah I c'
L86[01:07:03] <Izaya> oh, wireless
L87[01:07:04] <Izaya> carry on
L88[01:07:12] <ThePi​Guy24> the only thing that seems to fail on ethernet for me is that fkn plastic tab
L89[01:07:22] <Ariri> I have wired corsair void pros for my usb, but it also has 7.1 so...
L90[01:07:34] <Ariri> I didnt want to get the wireless ones tbh
L91[01:07:41] <Izaya> what if I told you that you can get surround sound on any headphones
L92[01:08:16] <Izaya> oh while we're at it, firewire > USB don't @ me
L93[01:08:17] <Ariri> I would say that I've tried it and I prefer VSS through sound cards more
L94[01:08:28] <Ariri> Havent used firewire much, no @s from here
L95[01:08:47] <Izaya> I assume that means virtual surround sound
L96[01:08:51] <Ariri> Yes
L97[01:08:53] <ThePi​Guy24> lets go back to when we measured bandwidth in $Hz;or k or M
L98[01:09:04] <ThePi​Guy24> %choose lets go back to when we measured bandwidth in $Hz;or k or M
L99[01:09:04] <MichiBot> ThePi​Guy24: lets go back to when we measured bandwidth in or kHz
L100[01:09:13] <ThePi​Guy24> close enough
L101[01:09:21] <ThePi​Guy24> anyway sleps
L102[01:09:22] <Izaya> in which it abuses timing based on 3D positioning of the sound source to trick you into perceiving the location of a sound?
L103[01:09:57] <Ariri> Well the way Dolby Surround does it actually does help me percieve sounds in 3d space
L104[01:10:05] <Izaya> because uh
L105[01:10:09] <Izaya> OpenAL has a HRTF mode
L106[01:10:15] <Ariri> So not as much a trick, and if I could afford actual 7.1 headphones I'd get them
L107[01:10:24] <ThePi​Guy24> hrthefuck
L108[01:10:32] <Izaya> do 7.1 headphones actually contain 8 speakers?
L109[01:10:34] <Izaya> https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/1fzonq/psa_for_games_using_openal_including_minecraft/
L110[01:10:53] <Ariri> If they arent VSS, then Im pretty sure they do
L111[01:11:00] <Ariri> multiple drivers per earcup
L112[01:11:04] <Izaya> those are valid carry on
L113[01:11:28] <Izaya> headphones sold with "surround sound" that just uses HRTF and similar pisses me off
L114[01:12:44] <Ariri> That's why I opted for actual Dolby certified stuff, it actually shows each channel properly through my Voicemeeter VUs
L115[01:20:14] <Izaya> https://fedi.valkyrie.world/media/c044115c7f231e4af118be61555d74e53f60c1394dbccf54d1ff29fdcd8621f1.png
L116[01:22:08] <Izaya> > all this shit and only one actually useful device
L117[01:22:10] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/GZKFDz0.png
L118[01:23:10] <Amanda> %choose risk another 5h night?
L119[01:23:10] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Hm. I can't choose. Ask me again in a couple of minutes.
L120[01:23:36] <Izaya> last night I was reading TMoHS books
L121[01:23:43] <Izaya> usually they're divided into short stories
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L123[01:23:58] <Izaya> figured "oh, I'll go to sleep when I finish this one"
L124[01:24:03] <Izaya> book 7 is one story.
L125[01:25:57] <Amanda> TMoHS?
L126[01:26:14] <Amanda> %choose cubecrack or halucinate then veg out
L127[01:26:14] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I want a divorce. I'm taking half the "cubecrack".
L128[01:26:15] <Izaya> The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
L129[01:26:19] <Amanda> ah
L130[01:27:12] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/i_9RXMz_xRcaWuI4/bo7SwusRToa9fK5sxDVkCw.jpg
L131[01:27:15] <Izaya> Good stats though
L132[01:28:05] <Amanda> Izaya: wouldyu happen to know if you can disable the gestures for the frontlight? I almost never need it, and I keep activating it and killing my battery
L133[01:28:10] <Amanda> ( in KOReader )
L134[01:28:22] <Izaya> I believe there is a setting for it
L135[01:28:30] <Izaya> or at least you could probably unbind it
L136[01:28:49] <Amanda> is that something I can change from the UI?
L137[01:29:04] <Izaya> yeah
L138[01:29:12] <Izaya> I remember a setting somewhere for gestures
L139[01:31:34] <Amanda> ahha
L140[01:31:36] <Amanda> found it
L141[01:32:42] <Amanda> right, going to put my laptop away before I get any ideas about workspace 4
L142[01:33:39] <Izaya> I wonder if I can have this automatically upload reading stats somewhere
L143[01:33:47] <Izaya> what if I could put my reading stats in grafana
L144[01:35:02] <Izaya> Amanda: additionally, 1% brightness frontlight significantly helps when it's actually dark but doesn't use much battery
L145[01:36:25] <Ariri> Speaking of KOReader, why does orientation changes while reading sometimes take ages (relatively speaking)?
L146[01:38:18] <Izaya> it can do orientation changes?
L147[01:40:11] <Ariri> Yeah, when you rotate the device it does it by default, and Im sure theres a menu thing for it too
L148[01:40:19] <Izaya> huh
L149[01:40:27] <Izaya> didn't know it had a gyro/accelerometer
L150[01:40:35] <Izaya> maybe mine doesn't
L151[01:40:42] <Ariri> Not sure if your specific model has one, but the libra does at least
L152[01:40:48] <Ariri> supports all 4 orientations
L153[01:41:03] <Izaya> I wonder if mine can do USB host
L154[01:41:10] <Izaya> it'd be neat to use it for a map with a USB GPS thingo
L155[01:43:00] <Ariri> Would want to see that
L156[01:43:10] <Ariri> %s/W/I w
L157[01:43:10] <MichiBot> <Ariri> I would want to see that
L158[01:43:21] <Ariri> out of interest
L159[01:43:43] <Izaya> I think they use such devices for glider navigation
L160[01:56:58] <Amanda> Izaya: I've got a reading light by my bed I can use, so pretty much the only reason I'd using it was if I was traveling
L161[01:57:17] <Izaya> half the lights in my house don't work
L162[01:57:25] <Amanda> I'd be using the front light*
L163[01:58:15] <Amanda> My bedroom window goes out to the back porch, so without lights my room would be dark for most of the day
L164[01:58:53] <Izaya> my bedroom light is imprisoned in a glass UFO and the lamp's bumb has blown
L165[01:59:08] <Izaya> but I don't care because I sleep on the couch most of the time anyway
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L167[02:02:47] <Ariri> Hey I've got one of those too, and I hate it
L168[02:03:13] <Ariri> I mounted the fan perfectly, even better than it originally was, but damn is the design of the fan terrible
L169[02:23:04] <Amanda> Ariri: that game was that video from earlier? The robots
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L171[02:23:25] <Ariri> Robocraft? Yes, v old ga,e
L172[02:23:27] <Ariri> game
L173[02:23:42] <Amanda> Don't think I've ever heard of it before
L174[02:24:30] <Ariri> It was very fun
L175[02:24:39] <Ariri> I compare SE to robocraft on occasion
L176[02:31:43] <Izaya> > v old
L177[02:31:47] <Izaya> > less than 10 years old
L178[02:31:53] * Izaya questions in AoE 2
L179[02:48:50] <Amanda> %remimdme 10h see if you can burn your paws with blaze gold toolrod
L180[02:49:06] <Amanda> %remindme 10h see if you can burn your paws with blaze gold toolrod
L181[02:49:06] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "see if you can burn your paws with blaze gold toolrod" at 10/14/2020 12:49:05 PM
L182[02:50:21] <Amanda> There's something surreal about looking though a tsv on your phone that was generated by a game mod, planning out tools
L183[02:51:31] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L184[02:51:31] <MichiBot> I'm sorry CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Ariri's record of 8 hours, 16 minutes and 50 seconds this time. 3 hours, 31 minutes and 28 seconds were wasted! Missed by 4 hours, 45 minutes and 21 seconds!
L185[02:51:36] <CompanionCube> rip
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L187[03:25:16] * Elfi plans a trip to Izaya's house to fix all the poor lämps
L188[03:25:32] * Amanda tucks I'm around elfi, lays her head on her lap
L189[03:25:49] <Elfi> :o
L190[03:26:00] <Amanda> Pleas don't play another fae trick and turn my tireds into awakes again, elfj
L191[03:26:03] * Elfi petpets Amanda... dozes off with z.z
L192[03:26:18] * Amanda yawns, zzzmews
L193[03:26:34] <Amanda> Night elfi, night nerds
L194[03:27:13] <Amanda> Here's hoping I actually can sleep, so I don't go on 5h of sleep for the third night in a row
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L196[04:00:19] <Ocawesome101> o/
L197[04:02:55] <Ariri> 5h is fun tho
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L203[04:57:19] <dequbed> Izaya: if USB-C is a psyop what did I engineer my usb charging subsystem around then? o.o
L204[05:03:17] <dequbed> Izaya: And firewire is much worse than USB in every regard except one and that one doesn't count anymore either. Full @-ing you because people might believe you.
L205[05:20:41] <dequbed> Well actually in April of this year the last patents on IEEE 1394 in the MPEG LA pool expired so after 26 years you can at least implement firewire royality free now like you can USB since .. oh wait USB has never and will never charge royalities.
L206[05:25:18] <Izaya> dequbed: evidently, you are part of the psyop
L207[05:39:20] <CompanionCube> the real psyop is wireless charging
L208[05:39:26] <CompanionCube> hax much?
L209[05:46:47] <dequbed> Izaya: Apparently I am. Still, please stop saying IEEE 1394 is better than USB, we need to get away from that sentiment 7 or so years ago.
L210[05:48:32] <dequbed> CompanionCube: Lol the real psyop is USB-PD. It's wired charging communicated over wireless protocol transported over a wired medium.
L211[05:53:32] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/I1x9Nv9.png
L212[06:22:24] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/n2Lz0Um.png
L213[06:29:37] <Izaya> I'm mildly annoyed.
L214[06:30:18] <Izaya> Turns out ls -l queries isReadOnly, for the filesystem in general, every time it shows a file
L215[06:30:48] <Izaya> doesn't even ask if the file itself is read only, just whether the filesystem it resides on is
L216[06:30:51] <Izaya> incredible
L217[06:31:04] <Izaya> but it asks once for each file
L218[06:31:26] <dequbed> Sounds like a bug.
L219[06:31:51] <Izaya> Either a bug or it's half implemented
L220[06:32:16] <Izaya> or worse, it's intentional, "just in case the filesystem went read-only while we were in the middle of listing files"
L221[06:34:19] <Izaya> anyway, to sum up my solution
L222[06:34:21] <Izaya> local iro = px.isReadOnly()
L223[06:34:23] <Izaya> function px.isReadOnly()
L224[06:34:25] <Izaya> return iro
L225[06:34:27] <Izaya> end
L226[06:41:20] <dequbed> Izaya: Y'know every time I read the Matrix specification my mind blanks and just leaves me with one overarching question. Why. Why do they do HTTPS .well-known and /afterwards/ SRV-lookup? WHY do they define their own hostname format that's wholly incompatible with DNS? WHY did they build their own signing format? WHY did they re-invent the wheel at every possible step of the way even when there are better, more general and more battle-tested alter
L227[06:41:21] <dequbed> natives already in productive use? q.q
L228[06:42:06] <Izaya> the only real response I've been able to come up for anything along the lines of "why [...] matrix" is
L229[06:42:10] <Izaya> "webshits gonna webshit"
L230[06:42:34] <Izaya> they don't want to know what already exists, they want to do everything over HTTP(S)
L231[06:42:40] <Izaya> if they could do DNS over HTTP(S) they would
L232[06:42:43] <Izaya> ... wait a minute
L233[06:42:46] * Izaya squints at Firefox
L234[06:43:59] <dequbed> Izaya: My University added a matrix server. But they disabled federation. So instead of an open, federated communication channel easily accessible for all students and faculty we get yet another shitty walled garden.
L235[06:45:00] <Izaya> ... At least it allows arbitrary clients and is nominally FOSS I guess?
L236[06:45:25] <dequbed> I haven't tried connecting with a different client than the web one.
L237[06:45:38] <Izaya> don't worry
L238[06:45:41] <Izaya> all the clients are the web one
L239[06:45:45] <dequbed> No.
L240[06:46:01] <dequbed> There are native clients, including one written in C++/Qt5.
L241[06:46:23] <Izaya> (I jest, but it all uses the same HTTP(S) endpoints, even if it's native software, so unless they're explicitly filtering, you should be fine)
L242[06:47:37] <Izaya> (Though, this is an education institution, so I wouldn't put it past them.)
L243[06:48:16] <dequbed> That's one of the things I don't get about Matrix. Why it was adopted over XMPP. It's not that much simpler, it's not more efficient. The only reasons I can come up with is that the XMPP ecosystem is splintered to intelligeble bits and ignorance of XMPP (because they heard about Matrix, switched away from worse walled gardens and never looked at XMPP).
L244[06:48:53] <Izaya> I have no fucking idea.
L245[06:49:16] <Izaya> Imagine if the money that got thrown at Matrix to solve problems XMPP solved 20 years ago was invested in XMPP clients instead
L246[06:49:39] <dequbed> Pretty much my point, yes.
L247[06:49:50] <Izaya> I keep asking and nobody can give me a reasonable answer.
L248[06:50:31] <Izaya> The best I've got is "because it works everywhere" which is a) a fucking lie b) no better than XMPP, there are web clients for XMPP
L249[06:50:53] <Izaya> actually, there's an argument that it does media related stuff better - voice and video that is
L250[06:50:59] <Izaya> but that's literally just a lack of client development
L251[06:51:05] <Izaya> the protocols are written
L252[06:51:12] <dequbed> Yep, Jingle is much older than Matrix alltogether.
L253[06:51:43] <Izaya> but I try to avoid shitting on Matrix too had because like
L254[06:52:08] <Izaya> it may just be webshit XMPP, but at least it's not Discord/Slack/Teams/MSN/other worse implementations of IRC's core concept
L255[06:52:25] <dequbed> None of the ones you listed implements IRC's core concept.
L256[06:52:49] <Izaya> the relay part?
L257[06:52:52] <Izaya> yup.
L258[06:53:21] <Izaya> I was referring to the text chat part, though. They are functionally little better than IRC, and much less flexible.
L259[06:54:53] <dequbed> Since half of the ones you mentioned implement some sort of structured cross-channel lookup ("communities") and at least 3 implement some sort of voice/video communication comparing them with IRC is faulty at best.
L260[06:55:32] <Izaya> ._.
L261[06:55:35] <CompanionCube> Izaya: imo it probably has something to do with cohesion, targeting and mindshare.
L262[06:56:09] <dequbed> Izaya: Teams is about text chat about as much as IRC is about open federation: Once a thing not even in the slightest relevant today.
L263[06:56:30] <Izaya> I have never used Teams.
L264[06:57:54] <CompanionCube> (also there's something to be said about one-to-one chats just being a special case iirc, xmpp works differently, not sure if better)
L265[06:58:20] * CompanionCube wonders if the stink of XML is also a factor
L266[06:58:41] <dequbed> CompanionCube: XMPP does not "work differently" in that regard to Matrix. Both use single-endpoint communicaiton.
L267[06:59:06] <Izaya> I was under the impression matrix didn't know what a 1:1 chat was so it created a temporary channel
L268[07:00:03] <dequbed> Izaya: Well yes - but if you're arguing at that level you are comparing XMPP to HTTP. XMPP *does* bring it's own protocol specifically designed for message passing while Matrix relies on push-pull HTTP for message transfer. Anything channel is implement *on top* of those protocols regardless.
L269[07:00:39] <CompanionCube> also isnt there something in the spec about allowing protocol encodings less webshit than json?
L270[07:00:50] <Izaya> no I don't mean like, actually connecting twice
L271[07:01:08] <dequbed> CompanionCube: No absolutely not. Matrix core is fixed on RESTful HTTP exchaning JSON objects.
L272[07:01:28] <Izaya> I mean I thought it makes a virtual temporary channel with two occupants and uses that to abstract multi-user chats and 1:1 chats in the same way
L273[07:01:43] <dequbed> Matrix *is by definition* an eventually consistent JSON database communicating over HTTP.
L274[07:01:54] <CompanionCube> a quick google search reveals https://matrix.org/blog/2019/03/12/breaking-the-100-bps-barrier-with-matrix-meshsim-coap-proxy
L275[07:02:13] <dequbed> Izaya: Yes, that's how rooms work. Everything is a room and so on.
L276[07:04:32] <Izaya> CompanionCube: note that it's replacing parts of the Matrix/HTTP/TCP/IP stack with conceptually similar things
L277[07:05:46] <Izaya> or at least, vs how they use it
L278[07:05:49] <dequbed> CompanionCube: That draft was pre-poc playing around sort of things. Nobody ever realistically expected any of that to become mainstream.
L279[07:12:22] <CompanionCube> yeah, it's more of an exaple of how it seems to be less intrinsically tied to the web universe than most other web chat things
L280[07:16:51] <CompanionCube> ah, here we are, it's very Real Soon Now vaporware, but: 'More efficient optional transports will in future be supported as optional extensions - e.g. a packed binary encoding over stream-cipher encrypted TCP socket for low-bandwidth/low-roundtrip mobile usage.'
L281[07:18:04] <dequbed> Izaya: bytheby I'm debating building a recipe db using XML. Since you love XML so much and all that :p
L282[07:22:22] <CompanionCube> o.o
L283[07:22:52] <CompanionCube> why XML in particular? i suppose it's not as weird as say, RDF...
L284[07:23:53] <dequbed> Why not? Recipes are structured documents and I'm not going to define my own format like Mealmaster when there is already a well-established structured document format with ubiquos language support.
L285[07:24:15] <dequbed> s/ubiquos/ubiquitous/
L286[07:24:15] <MichiBot> <dequbed> Why not? Recipes are structured documents and I'm not going to define my own format like Mealmaster when there is already a well-established structured document format with ubiquitous language support.
L287[07:25:43] <dequbed> More importantly they are documents first, structured second compared to structured data first that may contain some text. In the latter case something like JSON (or rather Ion) would be the better solution.
L288[07:27:19] <Ariri> %choose watch the 3h stream at 0030 or be sensible
L289[07:27:20] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: I spy with my robotic eye something beginning with "be sensible"!
L290[07:27:35] <ThePi​Guy24> sounds lame
L291[07:27:40] <dequbed> CompanionCube: i.e. encoding the equivalent of "bake at <temperature unit="celsius" amount=200 /> for <time amount=0:30:0 />" in JSON is a royal PITA.
L292[07:27:58] <Ariri> TPG24: Yes... but it is wise
L293[07:28:52] <dequbed> But that allows to make the americans happy (by converting to degF), make the owners of gas ovens happy (by converting to a random number in the range of 1-30) and allows for richer experience without having to try to parse out times.
L294[07:33:08] <ThePi​Guy24> just tell the americans to suck it up and learn to use more sensible units of measurement
L295[07:35:41] <Ariri> yeah, tell them americans
L296[07:36:40] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 I do that already. But even then having rich text is helpful, i.e. I would like to link instructions like "julienne" to a site or at least have them explained on hover, reference stuff, segment recipes into parts easily etc. possible in structured data format, easier in structured document formats.
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L298[07:56:25] <Izaya> https://i.redd.it/zw7hd1hr5ys51.png
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L300[08:08:55] <Ariri> Honoka represents America fairly well
L301[08:09:13] <Ariri> Silly, lazy, and bad at English
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L305[09:04:10] <Izaya> this is cute https://github.com/capnmidnight/Calla
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L307[10:57:12] <Forec​aster> https://youtu.be/nl0QDkAwxWY
L308[10:57:12] <MichiBot> The Worst Looking Rockets Ever Designed! | length: 12m 6s | Likes: 8,534 Dislikes: 121 Views: 101,806 | by Scott Manley | Published On 13/10/2020
L309[11:08:03] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L310[11:08:03] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forec​aster, you were not able to beat Ar​iri's record of 8 hours, 16 minutes and 50 seconds this time. 8 hours, 16 minutes and 31 seconds were wasted! Missed by 18 seconds!
L311[11:08:09] <Forec​aster> dammit
L312[11:08:16] <Forec​aster> %tonkattempts
L313[11:08:16] <MichiBot> You have 1 attempt left.
L314[11:15:13] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: sacrafice an apple to satiate the shame
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L320[12:08:31] <MichiBot> You have 1 attempt left.
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L325[12:43:26] <!0§A.​pjals™> why does this happen everytime i try to use tmux :( http://tinyurl.com/yxk7aze3
L326[12:43:29] <!0§A.​pjals™> lol
L327[12:44:21] <SkyCr​after0> f
L328[12:45:08] <!0§A.​pjals™> well it actually works
L329[12:45:11] <!0§A.​pjals™> but the shell always complains
L330[12:49:06] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: see if you can burn your paws with blaze gold toolrod
L331[13:03:35] <dequbed> Saphire: https://mastodon.chaosfield.at/@dequbed/105033273888979338
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L333[13:36:51] <Forec​aster> whoops
L334[13:36:52] <Forec​aster> https://torrentfreak.com/massive-pirate-anime-site-uses-visitors-connections-to-ddos-competitor-201014/
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L337[13:49:32] <SkyCr​after0> jesus fuck
L338[14:15:14] <MTM​123> Hello. I suppose there isn't any way to get a real timestamp from within OpenOS?
L339[14:16:45] <M​GR> I believe you can use the last modified date for files
L340[14:24:03] <dequbed> Also you can use the Internet card and get the outside time via HTTP or similar means.
L341[14:26:12] <B​ob> you can cheat with file timestamps or do internet requests
L342[14:31:59] <MTM​123> alright one of those approaches might work thanks
L343[14:33:22] <SkyCr​after0> theres something that mineos does that doesnt use http
L344[14:33:37] <SkyCr​after0> so it might be worthwhile finding what MIneOS does
L345[14:37:09] <Amanda> Probably the file timestamp thing
L346[14:44:58] <SkyCr​after0> maybe
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L348[15:10:32] <Ocawes​ome101> @MTM123 specifically you need the file timestamp from a file in the tmpfs
L349[15:12:50] <MTM​123> hmm I see thanks
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L354[15:46:29] <izderno> hi, does someone have informations about a mc 1.15/1.16 version of opencomputers ?
L355[15:46:41] <Forec​aster> eventually
L356[15:47:04] <Ocawes​ome101> there's an effort to port the current one but it'll be awhile; there may be a new version sometime in the next 10 years; other than that, no
L357[15:48:02] <izderno> by version i meant a port of course
L358[15:48:20] <Forec​aster> same thing
L359[15:48:22] <izderno> thanks for the answers
L360[15:48:24] <Ocawes​ome101> then yeah, wait for someone to port it
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L362[15:58:36] <SquidDev> Or use ComputerCraft
L363[15:58:37] * SquidDev ducks
L364[15:58:58] <Corded> * <Ocawes​ome101> thows a chair at SquidDev
L365[15:58:59] <SquidDev> Oh, they've left :(.
L366[16:05:47] <dequbed> @Ocawesome101 No. We don't throw chairs here at people for suggesting CC. Sometimes the best method of dealing with the complexity and idiosyncracies of OC is to not use OC at all but use CC. Especially if you do not enjoy said complexity.
L367[16:05:58] <SkyCr​after0> computercraft > opencomputers
L368[16:06:02] <SkyCr​after0> >:D
L369[16:06:12] <dequbed> Sure, if you feel that way that's valid.
L370[16:06:36] <SkyCr​after0> im getting into opencomputers
L371[16:06:41] <SkyCr​after0> but I started with CC
L372[16:06:53] <SkyCr​after0> mostly I just need to learn the OC-Specifics
L373[16:07:08] <dequbed> Just because it's more complex/accurate/restricted doesn't mean it's "better". It's a /mod for a game/ ffs. The "best" one is the one you enjoy most fullstop.
L374[16:08:55] <SkyCr​after0> well currently im integrated OC with CC for my project
L375[16:09:08] <SkyCr​after0> because OC can store thousands of times more data per block than CC
L376[16:09:15] <SkyCr​after0> actually its like 12x but w/e
L377[16:14:18] <SquidDev> https://irc.squiddev.cc/uploads/2a8f2f7d3fa995f2/Payonel%20says%20nice%20things.png In the words of payonel.
L378[16:17:16] <B​ob> backstabbed
L379[16:22:20] <Forec​aster> %sip
L380[16:22:20] <MichiBot> You drink a light oculemon potion (New!). Forecaster gains a negligible amount of luck.
L381[16:28:04] <SkyCr​after0> %sip
L382[16:28:04] <MichiBot> You drink a basic radiation potion (New!). SkyCrafter0's skin turn the color of the rainbow but with a silver glow until someone stops looking at them.
L383[16:28:15] <SkyCr​after0> bruhwhat
L384[16:28:27] <SkyCr​after0> naw there must be a potion to reverse it
L385[16:28:28] <SkyCr​after0> %sip
L386[16:28:29] <MichiBot> You drink a gloomy orange potion (New!). Tonk moved forward 2 hours.
L387[16:28:36] <SkyCr​after0> wait wat
L388[16:28:41] <SkyCr​after0> does that actually affect tonk?
L389[16:28:43] <SkyCr​after0> %tonk
L390[16:28:43] <MichiBot> I'm sorry SkyCrafter0, you were not able to beat Ariri's record of 8 hours, 16 minutes and 50 seconds this time. 1 hour, 20 minutes and 40 seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 hours, 56 minutes and 10 seconds!
L391[16:28:49] <SkyCr​after0> o
L392[16:37:17] <Ocawes​ome101> @Sky %sip antidote
L393[16:37:17] <MichiBot> Ocawesome101 reverts to their original state before any potions.
L394[16:37:29] <S​ky> ah
L395[16:37:56] <grantlmul> %sip water
L396[16:37:56] <MichiBot> grantlmul drinks some water. Wait... this isn't water... it's A Ripe Rubium potion!
L397[16:38:09] <grantlmul> no its water
L398[16:38:35] <S​ky> %sip
L399[16:38:35] <MichiBot> You drink a shimmering pearlpeas potion (New!). 2 nearby pebbles suddenly shift slightly in Sky's direction.
L400[16:38:44] <S​ky> woah
L401[16:38:47] <S​ky> p e b b l e s
L402[16:38:56] <S​ky> so what if
L403[16:39:00] <S​ky> %sip tonk
L404[16:39:00] <MichiBot> This doesn't seem to be a potion I recognize... Make sure it has an appearance and consistency keyword, and the word "potion" in it.
L405[16:39:11] <S​ky> %sip hard tonk potion
L406[16:39:11] <MichiBot> You drink a mutable transparent potion (New!). Sky turns into an orange water until they say the phrase "Jeez Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious".
L407[16:39:30] <S​ky> an orange water?
L408[16:39:40] <S​ky> uh
L409[16:39:52] <S​ky> well if im water i guess i dont have a mouth
L410[16:40:01] <S​ky> so i am water forever
L411[16:54:34] <S​ky> %ignore
L412[16:54:34] <MichiBot> I had an exception... ow. Here's the stacktrace: https://paste.pc-logix.com/axolupalal
L413[16:54:39] <S​ky> wack
L414[17:16:15] <Nathan -​ Car Gang> @izderno i am making some progress with a port maybe if im lucky by the end of the year?
L415[17:18:31] <Forec​aster> there is nobody named that as far as I can tell
L416[17:18:46] <Nathan -​ Car Gang> oh he was here earlier
L417[17:19:21] <Forec​aster> ah, yes that person
L418[17:19:34] <Forec​aster> they left shortly after their last message
L419[17:19:37] <Nathan -​ Car Gang> oh
L420[17:20:12] <Nathan -​ Car Gang> i do plan on transitioning away from scala too for the port
L421[17:22:17] <Forecaster> %restart
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L426[17:49:22] <B​ob> i just opened explorer, and windows froze lmao
L427[17:49:28] <B​ob> couldn't alt tab, had to force close
L428[17:49:41] <B​ob> is my pc this bad
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L430[18:52:48] <bad at​ vijya> all this for a meme http://tinyurl.com/y2c9yx2e
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L432[19:23:21] <Ariri> o.o
L433[19:24:55] <Ocawes​ome101> hmmmm
L434[19:25:00] <Ocawes​ome101> falkon is a pretty decent browser
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L439[21:06:04] <CompanionCube> isn't it just chromium tho
L440[21:23:20] <grantlmul> *technically* its Qt WebEngine
L441[21:23:29] <grantlmul> but yeah
L442[21:23:58] <ThePi​Guy24> wait why is corded speaking?
L443[21:24:22] <ThePi​Guy24> http://tinyurl.com/yy4qrewx
L444[21:28:32] <Ocawes​ome101> :O
L445[21:28:48] <Ocawes​ome101> yeah it's Qt WebEngine
L446[21:37:18] <Nathan -​ Car Gang> payonel whats the point of Delegator.scala
L447[21:37:18] <Mic​hiyo> Oh, is corded broken too
L448[21:37:30] <Mic​hiyo> great, that means that Discord broke something in the API
L449[21:39:32] <Mic​hiyo> yea
L450[21:39:35] <Mic​hiyo> Discord broke it
L451[21:40:45] <Brisingr​Aerowing> %blame Discord
L452[21:40:46] * MichiBot blames Discord for not being fast enough
L453[21:41:43] <ThePi​Guy24> well thats certainly one thing that its badat
L454[21:41:46] <ThePi​Guy24> *bad at
L455[21:43:36] <Va​ur> definitly broken on the api
L456[21:45:26] <grantlmul> e
L457[21:45:48] <grantlmul> well i mean im still g
L458[21:46:47] <Va​ur> mason just got pinged about it though, they are on the case
L459[21:49:02] <Mic​hiyo> Per the Official Discord API Discord server, there is an API issue right now causing some stuff to not work
L460[21:49:02] <Mic​hiyo> this SHOULD fix itself
L461[21:49:32] <gran​tlmul> was going to say there havent been any changes since the 24th
L462[21:50:10] <Mic​hiyo> They did just implement some changes
L463[21:50:30] <Izaya> broken is the eternal state I guess
L464[21:50:35] <Mic​hiyo> http://tinyurl.com/y5wvabwf
L465[21:50:49] <Va​ur> > Think we might know root cause
L466[21:50:49] <Va​ur> > Not rate limits deploy related, separate service. I think night will stop by shortly haha
L467[21:51:11] <Mic​hiyo> Well that's something, where are you getting this from @Vaur ?
L468[21:51:14] <Va​ur> > MasonToday at 23:49
L469[21:51:14] <Va​ur> > Think we might know root cause
L470[21:51:14] <Va​ur> > Not rate limits deploy related, separate service. I think night will stop by shortly haha [Edited]
L471[21:51:24] <Va​ur> discord developpers servers
L472[21:51:30] <Va​ur> discord developpers server [Edited]
L473[21:51:34] <Izaya> guild
L474[21:51:35] <Mic​hiyo> I'm in like 4 Discord guilds, so trying to track down info is fun
L475[21:52:04] <Mic​hiyo> I'm in the guild for the API I use, I'm in the testers guild, the official API guild, and.. something else lol
L476[21:52:36] <Mic​hiyo> OH, and the guild for the OTHER API I use.. lol
L477[21:53:18] <Va​ur> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/linodugosi
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L479[22:10:16] <Michiyo> Test
L480[22:10:22] <Mic​hiyo> Nope lol
L481[22:11:35] <Va​ur> avatar is working again though
L482[22:13:45] <Michiyo> That's something atleast
L483[22:20:36] <Michiyo> .
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L485[22:26:05] * Michiyo stabs Discord
L486[22:34:03] <bad at​ vijya> perfect https://tinyurl.com/y4v97kr6
L487[22:34:34] <bad at​ vijya> but i get an "attempt to index nil value" when i do `lcpio -o`
L488[22:34:37] <bad at​ vijya> so that's not fun
L489[22:51:20] <Va​ur> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/xeqebuxepe
L490[22:52:11] <bad at​ vijya> "hm, i should probably fix this unbalanced stack stuff"
L491[22:52:36] <bad at​ vijya> "or i could just see how big the stack is by the end of the function and just pop it all away"
L492[22:53:29] <Va​ur> > MasonToday at 00:52
L493[22:53:29] <Va​ur> > There's also maybe a chance that some new webhook functionally snuck into these deploys like being able to edit or delete previous webhook messages :ablobwhistle: Maybe try putting /messages/<message_id> at the end of a PATCH or DELETE request with your webhook id and token
L494[23:08:15] <Michiyo> Yeah sadly it webhooks are handled by JDA, so I don't have direct control of them
L495[23:08:33] <Michiyo> Oh
L496[23:08:33] <Michiyo> Hey
L497[23:08:38] <Michiyo> My name!
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L499[23:22:03] <SkyCrafter0> test
L500[23:22:12] <grantlmul> gaming?
L501[23:22:32] <SkyCrafter0> webhook names work it seems
L502[23:22:34] <SkyCrafter0> cool
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