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L2[00:04:31] <Ocawes​ome101> fact: Linux lets you "download more RAM" with ZRAM
L3[00:04:42] <Ocawes​ome101> I brought my laptop from 4 -> 12-13GB with it
L4[00:04:48] <Blue_595> fact: Z-RAM is also the name of a defunct memory technology
L5[00:04:57] <Blue_595> idk if defunct is the right word actually, i meant obsolete
L6[00:05:07] <Blue_595> fact: bears eat beets
L7[00:05:13] <Blue_595> bears, beets
L8[00:05:16] <Blue_595> battlestar galactica
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L12[00:06:28] <pckay09> ohh
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L14[00:06:41] <Amanda> Well, that's the gaming compy updated. Now to wait for my laptop to finish updating.
L15[00:06:46] <Amanda> And I guess I should update lilac as well.
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L18[00:17:03] <Amanda> %remindme 12h check for downloaded IRCCloud Logs, and delete account
L19[00:17:04] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "check for downloaded IRCCloud Logs, and delete account" at 05/20/2020 06:17:03 AM
L20[00:18:51] <Ocawes​ome101> Blue_595: Interesting
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L24[00:29:21] <Ocawes​ome101> aha, I'm finally getting the hang of Lua patterns
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L27[01:45:14] <Ocawes​ome101> %lua math.log(12)
L28[01:45:14] <MichiBot> 2.484906649788
L29[01:48:27] <ThePi​Guy24> %lua local x = 2 for i=0,10 do x = math.log(x) print(x) end
L30[01:48:27] <MichiBot> 0.69314718055995 | -0.36651292058166 | nan | nan | nan | nan | nan | nan | nan | nan | nan
L31[01:48:44] <ThePi​Guy24> rip
L32[01:54:26] <Ar​iri> %lua print("Hello nyan")
L33[01:54:26] <MichiBot> Hello nyan
L34[01:54:41] <Sagh​etti> actually tho
L35[01:54:58] <Sagh​etti> im so bored that a michibot RPG seems feasible
L36[01:55:43] <Ocawes​ome101> I literally just spent about ten minutes figuring out what the default parameter for `math.log(n, <here>)` is
L37[01:56:01] <Ocawes​ome101> it's `2.718281828459`
L38[01:56:29] <pay​onel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(mathematical_constant)
L39[01:56:29] <Kristo​pher38> it's the e constant
L40[01:56:35] <Ar​iri> ^
L41[01:56:49] <Ocawes​ome101> oh ok
L42[01:56:53] <Kristo​pher38> if you've got a logarithm with an e constant as a base it's called natural logarithm
L43[01:57:04] <pay​onel> @Kristopher38 it wasn't scaling correctly? (bitblt cost)
L44[01:57:10] <pay​onel> i should be, i'll double check that later
L45[01:57:12] <Ocawes​ome101> per the docs:
L46[01:57:16] <Ocawes​ome101> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/foyacopuza
L47[01:57:48] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel haven't really checked properly but it seemed so 🤔 let me retest
L48[01:57:57] <Ocawes​ome101> I guess I could have just looked up the e constant
L49[01:58:25] <Kristo​pher38> but first I need to eat something
L50[01:58:35] <Ocawes​ome101> instead of spending 10 minutes working it out to the 12th decimal place xP
L51[02:15:52] <Kristo​pher38> god I'm starving
L52[02:16:07] <Kristo​pher38> at last my toasts are ready
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L54[02:29:30] <Amanda> Alcohol isn't a good idea when you're on an empty stomach. AIUI anyway, I refuse to touch the stuff... Though you're probably too young for that anyway
L55[02:30:01] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel I thought at first that's because of the color setting, but even on monochrome demo, bitblting the whole buffer vs only the 50x50 animation area doesn't make a difference in fps
L56[02:30:23] <Kristo​pher38> (tested on version with free set)
L57[02:32:49] <Kristo​pher38> also I might've found a bug, shouldn't that third entry be `setCosts(2)` instead of `setCosts(1)`? https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/61780aa36ee0a13bdb29e1c0f5df6271f73a2824/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/server/component/GraphicsCard.scala#L76
L58[02:33:18] <Kristo​pher38> Amanda: who says I'm too young for it? :D
L59[02:43:33] <Amanda> It's a fairly safe bet in this channel
L60[02:54:05] <Kristo​pher38> is it? 🤔 I thought most users who hang out here regularly are adults
L61[02:58:30] <Sagh​etti> not me
L62[03:02:36] <Kristo​pher38> and here I was thinking Saghetti was an adult
L63[03:08:10] <Sagh​etti> i mean
L64[03:08:17] <Sagh​etti> you're not the first one who's done it
L65[03:08:25] <Sagh​etti> people didn't believe me when i said i was 16
L66[03:09:16] <B​ob> :GWomoDrakeYea:
L67[03:15:44] <Kristo​pher38> Well, I haven't exactly been doing load balancing when I was 16
L68[03:16:05] <Amanda> @kristopher38 the median age is probably 14-17
L69[03:16:26] <Amanda> The median age for in here that is
L70[03:16:51] <Amanda> ( when you count out dinosaurs like myself and michiyo )
L71[03:17:01] <Michiyo> ^^^
L72[03:20:32] * Amanda snugsafairy, zzzmews -- night nerds
L73[03:21:13] <Klea​dron> you’d think they are adults
L74[03:23:41] <Sagh​etti> that makes me kinda happy ngl
L75[03:28:39] <pay​onel> @Kristopher38 " bitblting the whole buffer vs only the 50x50 animation area doesn't make a difference in fps" it's not the size of the bitblit
L76[03:28:42] <pay​onel> but the size of the buffer
L77[03:28:52] <pay​onel> i might need to add that detail to the docs
L78[03:29:27] <pay​onel> also, you are right about that typo, dang...it should be 2 not 1
L79[03:29:33] <pay​onel> well crap, that throws some of my perf results
L80[03:29:37] <pay​onel> thanks for noticing that
L81[03:29:46] <pay​onel> % s/some/all/
L82[03:30:07] <pay​onel> anyone know why if, in discord, i type "s/some/all" discord doesn't post my comment at all?
L83[03:30:54] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> I'm finally making my largest ship yet.
L84[03:30:57] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> in SE
L85[03:31:17] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 3km long
L86[03:31:29] <pay​onel> se?
L87[03:32:10] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> space engineers
L88[03:32:14] <pay​onel> ah
L89[03:33:04] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> I've currently got two things built on it :P
L90[03:33:13] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> The first reactor/engine group, and the first hangar bay
L91[03:33:57] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh, and the maintenance corridor that is large enough to fit four military trucks, for some reason.....
L92[03:34:02] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> :GWchinaSakuraThinking:
L93[03:34:09] <pay​onel> ha
L94[03:35:03] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i'm very proud of my elevators though
L95[03:35:27] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> They go to reactor bay 1
L96[03:37:11] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> Anyways, now all I need to do is pull off a ring world in SE and crash it into the desert
L97[03:44:28] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel discord has built in substitution interpreter
L98[03:44:44] <pay​onel> sure. but it doesn't actually do anything :/
L99[03:44:51] <pay​onel> so i'm clearly doing something wrong
L100[03:45:06] <Michiyo> as long as you're replacing from YOUR message it should
L101[03:45:21] <pay​onel> @Kristopher38 did you see my message about the cost of bitblt vs size of buffer?
L102[03:45:24] <Mic​hiyo> test
L103[03:45:31] <Mic​hiyo> testing "/s"/ [Edited]
L104[03:45:33] <Mic​hiyo> yep
L105[03:45:38] <pay​onel> >_>
L106[03:45:42] <Kristo​pher38> Yes
L107[03:45:48] <pay​onel> <_</ [Edited]
L108[03:45:52] <pay​onel> hmm
L109[03:45:53] <Kristo​pher38> I was thinking about it the wrong way this whole time
L110[03:45:54] <pay​onel> i .... ok
L111[03:46:15] <Kristo​pher38> Cause my initial idea was to calculate cost based on the bitblted size
L112[03:46:21] <Kristo​pher38> Not the buffer size
L113[03:46:30] <pay​onel> well that's logical, that would make sense 🙂
L114[03:46:31] <Kristo​pher38> So it kinda stuck in my head like that
L115[03:46:45] <Mic​hiyo> just made my external sata setup for my server.,
L116[03:46:50] <pay​onel> but it would be a mess to sync parts of buffers
L117[03:47:00] <pay​onel> @Michiyo i'm jealous
L118[03:47:05] <Mic​hiyo> Damn thing only takes 2.5" drives, and I had 4 3.5" 4TB drives..
L119[03:47:13] <pay​onel> i ... have funds allocated to build a new server
L120[03:47:17] <Kristo​pher38> Yeah, not worth a change probably, user can allocate more smaller buffers
L121[03:47:24] <Mic​hiyo> so I bought 4 SATA M2F cables and 3d printed a 2x4 HDD bay thingy
L122[03:47:32] <pay​onel> but time .. and massive indecisiveness about what hardware i want...
L123[03:47:39] <pay​onel> oh wow, that's awesome
L124[03:48:04] <Mic​hiyo> I got super lucky.. $80 for the box, another $80 for 4 16core CPUs and now I have 64 cores, 256GB and I'm moving my NAS drives to it :p
L125[03:48:17] <Mic​hiyo> Though, now sadly I've filled it's bays lol
L126[03:48:23] <pay​onel> haha
L127[03:48:26] <Mic​hiyo> Though, now sadly Ive filled it's bays lol [Edited]
L128[03:48:36] <Mic​hiyo> Though, now sadly I've filled its bays lol [Edited]
L129[03:48:57] <Mic​hiyo> now I just have to build the new array, and copy all of the NAS data back to it
L130[03:55:47] <Mic​hiyo> http://tinyurl.com/yc4j3tdg
L131[03:55:48] <Mic​hiyo> Lol..
L132[03:56:30] <Klea​dron> eat the spaghetti
L133[03:57:24] <ThePi​Guy24> mountung 100
L134[03:57:41] <ThePi​Guy24> %s/ung/ing
L135[03:57:41] <MichiBot> <ThePiGuy24> mounting 100
L136[03:57:42] <Mic​hiyo> server lives under my bed currently heh
L137[03:57:56] <Klea​dron> so it's the monster under the bed
L138[03:58:07] <Sagh​etti> this is making me jealous ngl
L139[03:58:24] <Sagh​etti> there's a ton of equipment coming out of the company datacenter
L140[03:58:25] <Mic​hiyo> it's a pretty old box, I got it for super cheap when my work upgraded
L141[03:58:31] <Mic​hiyo> Dell R810
L142[03:58:33] <Sagh​etti> cant ship it up to my datacenter though, covid
L143[03:59:01] <Klea​dron> maybe i should put remote desktop on my pentium 4 computer and shove it under my bed and call it a server
L144[03:59:35] <Klea​dron> if that crappy laptop i have has network boot i could use that with it 🤔
L145[03:59:41] <Sagh​etti> raspi server cluster
L146[03:59:58] <Sagh​etti> ~~hosting 2000 players on like 14 raspi compute modules~~
L147[04:01:48] <Klea​dron> time to buy a copy of windows server 2003
L148[04:04:49] <Klea​dron> that's nice
L149[04:05:04] <Klea​dron> out of curiosity i look at the shopping section of google for windows server 2003
L150[04:05:17] <Klea​dron> around 500 to 600 dollars
L151[04:35:14] <pay​onel> i found an old branch where i was testing some openos ideas
L152[04:36:16] <pay​onel> poll time. just curious, this was the code, very simple
L153[04:36:16] <pay​onel> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/lixivoyiru
L154[04:36:25] <pay​onel> poll time. just curious, this was the code, very simple
L155[04:36:25] <pay​onel> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/upuqurerap [Edited]
L156[04:36:35] <pay​onel> how would people feel about this?
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L158[05:07:45] <Klea​dron> what happens if someone sets home to readonly and it has stuff in it?
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L160[05:20:56] <pay​onel> @Kleadron oc filesystem doesn't support ro dirs, only ro devices
L161[05:21:07] <pay​onel> and mounting over it does nothing to the existing data
L162[05:21:25] <pay​onel> this would be a startup action by openos
L163[05:21:34] <pay​onel> so that people that boot with a ro loot disk have a rw home
L164[05:30:50] <ThePi​Guy24> interesting idea
L165[05:39:45] <Michiyo> My Dedi is about to hit 365 days of uptime ~10 days
L166[05:45:40] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> quick
L167[05:45:48] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> someone cause a brownout
L168[05:46:15] <Michiyo> well, I would hope my Datacenter has backup generators.
L169[05:46:16] <Michiyo> :P
L170[05:59:13] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> release the mice
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L172[06:25:17] <Ocawes​ome101> @payonel that'd be pretty nice actually
L173[06:27:46] <pay​onel> @izaya
L174[06:27:56] <Ocawes​ome101> @Saghetti similar thing happened awhile back to me (search "portal 2 is fun" in the history and you'll find it), also I must agree that I wouldn't've guessed you're 16 because galaxy brain
L175[06:28:32] <Sagh​etti> :crabrave: giga brains represent
L176[06:28:33] <Sagh​etti> jk
L177[06:28:42] <Sagh​etti> actually, almost all the regulars here are really smart
L178[06:28:54] <Sagh​etti> (either that or they actually have a degree in cs, can't relate)
L179[06:29:13] <Ocawes​ome101> true
L180[06:29:21] <Ocawes​ome101> I'm.... ish smart
L181[06:29:32] <Ocawes​ome101> for 13 I think I'm doing pretty well :P
L182[06:29:54] <Sagh​etti> dw, you're doing very well
L183[06:30:09] <Sagh​etti> tip: to increase wisdom, hang out with smart people
L184[06:30:14] <Ocawes​ome101> why thank you
L185[06:30:14] <Sagh​etti> 110% guarantee it works
L186[06:30:24] <Ocawes​ome101> I can see why it would
L187[06:30:29] <Ocawes​ome101> so
L188[06:30:30] <Sagh​etti> another tip to getting better at computer stuff:
L189[06:30:37] <Sagh​etti> read wikipedia articles at 1 am
L190[06:30:38] <payonel> Izaya: did you make a website of the manual? and it would render directly from the source of the manual?
L191[06:30:42] <Ocawes​ome101> speaking of tech stuff in particular
L192[06:30:48] <Sagh​etti> about the most random computer shit you can find
L193[06:30:55] <Sagh​etti> i've done that far too much
L194[06:31:02] <Ocawes​ome101> twice today somebody in my family deferred to me on something tech-related
L195[06:31:14] <Sagh​etti> same, but online
L196[06:31:16] <Ocawes​ome101> both on fairly minor things though
L197[06:31:26] <Sagh​etti> people won't stop sending me crash reports
L198[06:31:31] <Ocawes​ome101> lmao
L199[06:31:50] <Sagh​etti> "Hey Saghetti, I heard you're the guy to talk to about technical issues"
L200[06:31:59] <Sagh​etti> proceeds to send me like a 50kb stack trace
L201[06:32:01] <Ocawes​ome101> nice
L202[06:32:11] <Ocawes​ome101> nice
L203[06:32:19] <Sagh​etti> well, i guess that's what i signed up for
L204[06:32:21] <Sagh​etti> kind of
L205[06:32:27] <Ocawes​ome101> sort of
L206[06:32:29] <Ocawes​ome101> maybe
L207[06:32:30] <Sagh​etti> so we have 2 teams, the support team and the tester team
L208[06:32:38] <Ocawes​ome101> mhm
L209[06:32:46] <Sagh​etti> support team helps out with you everyday questions and problems
L210[06:32:51] <Sagh​etti> they lurk in #support
L211[06:32:59] <Sagh​etti> and then you have testers (the team i'm in)
L212[06:33:12] <Sagh​etti> absolute geeks
L213[06:33:21] <Ocawes​ome101> sounds about right
L214[06:33:26] <Sagh​etti> can you guess which one i'm in?
L215[06:33:36] <Sagh​etti> hint: bruh
L216[06:33:49] <Ocawes​ome101> my dad still knows more about the Linux system than I do but I'm getting close
L217[06:34:00] <Ocawes​ome101> also you're in testers, you just said that :P
L218[06:34:18] <Sagh​etti> wait
L219[06:34:20] <Sagh​etti> i can't
L220[06:34:27] <Sagh​etti> my brain doesn't work well on low sleep
L221[06:34:31] <Ocawes​ome101> > and then you have testers (the team i'm in)
L222[06:34:36] <Sagh​etti> :facepalm:
L223[06:34:43] <Ocawes​ome101> define "low sleep"
L224[06:34:47] <Sagh​etti> no
L225[06:34:47] <Ocawes​ome101> like
L226[06:34:50] <Ocawes​ome101> yes
L227[06:35:02] <Sagh​etti> like 4-5 hours ish
L228[06:35:05] <Sagh​etti> please hel[
L229[06:35:05] <Ocawes​ome101> nice
L230[06:35:19] <Ocawes​ome101> simple solution, three words
L231[06:35:34] <Ocawes​ome101> G O T O B E D
L232[06:35:49] <Sagh​etti> nah man
L233[06:36:29] <Ocawes​ome101> also today I did two things I haven't done before:
L234[06:36:33] <Ocawes​ome101> - enabled zram
L235[06:36:42] <Ocawes​ome101> - updated u-boot
L236[06:36:47] <Ocawes​ome101> both on my Pinebook Pro
L237[06:37:03] <Ocawes​ome101> I now have effectively ~12GB of RAM instead of 4
L238[06:37:36] <Sagh​etti> there are things that need to be tackled
L239[06:37:39] <Sagh​etti> such as
L240[06:37:45] <Ocawes​ome101> cat videos?
L241[06:37:49] <Sagh​etti> "can i host 2000 players on a cluster of raspbery pis"
L242[06:37:49] <Ocawes​ome101> relatable
L243[06:37:53] <Ocawes​ome101> lmao
L244[06:37:59] <Sagh​etti> no seriously
L245[06:38:07] <Ocawes​ome101> or, "why is mac address changing broken"
L246[06:38:11] <Sagh​etti> that's actually something we were considering
L247[06:38:16] <Ocawes​ome101> wtf why
L248[06:38:21] <Ocawes​ome101> I mean
L249[06:38:26] <Ocawes​ome101> I guess maybe the Pi 4
L250[06:38:39] <Ocawes​ome101> with 4GB of RAM + ZRAM
L251[06:38:42] <Sagh​etti> ~~why are all the other staff members building dicks on the hub instead of actually working on it?~~
L252[06:38:49] <Ocawes​ome101> xD
L253[06:38:51] <Sagh​etti> true story actually
L254[06:39:03] <Sagh​etti> i swear, they may be 19, but inside they're still like 12
L255[06:39:27] <Ocawes​ome101> all guys? the male brain doesn't fully mature until like 25
L256[06:39:36] <Ocawes​ome101> though it probably varies person-to-person
L257[06:40:00] <Sagh​etti> another cursed thing were doing
L258[06:40:07] <Ocawes​ome101> > still like 12
L259[06:40:08] <Ocawes​ome101> hey D:<
L260[06:40:11] <Ocawes​ome101> :p
L261[06:40:13] <Sagh​etti> sorry
L262[06:40:14] <Ocawes​ome101> oh continue
L263[06:40:17] <Ocawes​ome101> nah it's fine
L264[06:40:20] <Sagh​etti> we're making the nether 1:64 scale
L265[06:40:33] <Sagh​etti> because the earth is fucking huge
L266[06:40:33] <Ocawes​ome101> the internet uses lossy compression, sarcasm is often lost
L267[06:40:58] <Corded> * <Ocawes​ome101> spits out coffee, except I don't drink coffee and it's 1:40AM
L268[06:41:04] <Ocawes​ome101> you WHAT
L269[06:41:22] <Sagh​etti> and we all know that minecarts in the nether are the best transportation
L270[06:41:32] <Sagh​etti> ice boats? get that garbage outta hee
L271[06:41:35] <Sagh​etti> here*
L272[06:41:53] <Ocawes​ome101> big brain is ice boats in the nether
L273[06:42:14] <Ocawes​ome101> pretty sure the hermits did it
L274[06:42:28] <Ocawes​ome101> alternatively, elytra
L275[06:42:46] <Sagh​etti> also
L276[06:42:51] <Sagh​etti> leaked image of BTE datacenter
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L278[06:43:10] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/y8eqegg2
L279[06:43:21] <Corded> * <Ocawes​ome101> dies of laughter
L280[06:43:30] <Sagh​etti> it's a real thing
L281[06:43:39] <Sagh​etti> one of the guys on the minigames team has this
L282[06:43:43] <Ocawes​ome101> ...
L283[06:43:45] <Ocawes​ome101> wow
L284[06:44:07] <Sagh​etti> so idk if you heard, but server equipment
L285[06:44:09] <Sagh​etti> lots of it
L286[06:44:16] <Ocawes​ome101> is expensive?
L287[06:44:16] <Sagh​etti> but i can't ship it up to the datacenter because covid
L288[06:44:21] <Ocawes​ome101> oh
L289[06:44:22] <Sagh​etti> it's retired
L290[06:44:26] <Ocawes​ome101> yeah i saw that
L291[06:44:28] <Sagh​etti> it's really good gear tho
L292[06:44:29] <Sagh​etti> yeah
L293[06:44:39] <Ocawes​ome101> can I have a couple cores? :P
L294[06:44:41] <The_St​argazer> what are you (what can you) going to do with it?
L295[06:44:53] <Sagh​etti> host thousands of players on our minigame server
L296[06:45:00] <Sagh​etti> and do anti-stonks
L297[06:45:02] <Sagh​etti> :crabrave:
L298[06:45:07] <The_St​argazer> anti-stonks?
L299[06:45:08] <Ocawes​ome101> jk I've got an Azure instance already
L300[06:45:18] <Sagh​etti> we losing money bois
L301[06:45:35] <The_St​argazer> also
L302[06:45:35] <The_St​argazer> if you could give me some of that server space to host ariri's server that'd be nice ;)
L303[06:45:45] <Sagh​etti> i mean
L304[06:45:56] <Sagh​etti> i don't have a hypervisor set up
L305[06:46:01] <Ocawes​ome101> this, but the opposite http://tinyurl.com/yawwbxqh
L306[06:46:06] <Sagh​etti> so i'm hesitant to allow other people access
L307[06:46:08] <The_St​argazer> so
L308[06:46:09] <The_St​argazer> not stonks
L309[06:46:12] <Sagh​etti> stonkn'ts
L310[06:46:19] <The_St​argazer> i like it
L311[06:46:20] <Ocawes​ome101> stonksn't
L312[06:46:21] <The_St​argazer> stonkn't
L313[06:46:22] <Sagh​etti> i remember that one of the staff said we were being a bit greedy trying to make money off of this
L314[06:46:25] <Sagh​etti> and then they remembered
L315[06:46:33] <Sagh​etti> it's gonna host like $800/mo to host this damn thing
L316[06:46:40] <Ocawes​ome101> holy...
L317[06:46:40] <The_St​argazer> oh jesus
L318[06:46:55] <The_St​argazer> @Saghetti you don't need a hypervisor tho
L319[06:46:57] <The_St​argazer> ulimits
L320[06:47:05] <The_St​argazer> proper ulimits + access restrictions
L321[06:47:29] <Sagh​etti> i don't want to deal with that tbh
L322[06:47:32] <Sagh​etti> and also covid :(
L323[06:47:35] <The_St​argazer> it-- it's simple
L324[06:47:41] <Sagh​etti> if i mess it up, i lose access
L325[06:47:41] <The_St​argazer> it's really simple
L326[06:47:48] <The_St​argazer> well-- i-- no??
L327[06:47:49] <Sagh​etti> because datacenter is hundreds of miles awah
L328[06:47:55] <Ocawes​ome101> covid == -1242359870956879 stonks amirite
L329[06:48:00] <The_St​argazer> just don't touch your user account
L330[06:48:02] <The_St​argazer> simple
L331[06:48:37] <The_St​argazer> i mean i could set it up for you
L332[06:48:37] <The_St​argazer> if you wanted
L333[06:48:48] <Ocawes​ome101> how are you planning to uh
L334[06:49:00] <Ocawes​ome101> make $800/mo to host it?
L335[06:49:05] <The_St​argazer> ¯\(ツ)/¯
L336[06:49:12] <The_St​argazer> i don't think Saghetti has a plan either
L337[06:49:13] <Sagh​etti> ¯\(ツ)/¯
L338[06:49:19] <Ocawes​ome101> :P
L339[06:49:23] <Sagh​etti> so the idea is:
L340[06:49:29] <Sagh​etti> cosmetics aren't gonna cut it
L341[06:49:36] <Sagh​etti> so now we provide people their own "sandboxes"
L342[06:49:43] <The_St​argazer> so like
L343[06:49:46] <The_St​argazer> hypixel housing but paid
L344[06:49:49] <Sagh​etti> we were doing this whole thing called enderscript
L345[06:50:00] <Sagh​etti> where you could make your own minigames using a custom chest GUI
L346[06:50:03] <Sagh​etti> very ebic
L347[06:50:09] <The_St​argazer> very unoriginal
L348[06:50:16] <Sagh​etti> ?!
L349[06:50:27] <The_St​argazer> i played a server that did custom minigames once
L350[06:50:29] <The_St​argazer> and it was free
L351[06:50:42] <Ocawes​ome101> > once
L352[06:50:57] <The_St​argazer> ascended creative plots basically
L353[06:51:24] <Ocawes​ome101> also saghetti aren't you like in california?
L354[06:51:28] <Sagh​etti> yeah
L355[06:51:39] <Ocawes​ome101> and the datacenter?
L356[06:51:44] <Sagh​etti> bend, oregon
L357[06:51:49] <Ocawes​ome101> oh wow
L358[06:52:06] <Sagh​etti> yeah
L359[06:52:22] <Sagh​etti> geographically isolated because the whole point of it was to have off-site servers
L360[06:52:29] <Sagh​etti> the main DC is in santa clara
L361[06:52:45] <The_St​argazer> in all seriousness though; i need to find somewhere or someone to host ariri's server because afaik his/her dedicated machine is dying
L362[06:53:03] <Ocawes​ome101> also in other news the OpenFS driver is a little under half-completed
L363[06:53:13] <Ocawes​ome101> I might be able to boot OpenOS on it
L364[06:53:19] <The_St​argazer> and it'll be 30 degrees in Antartica when I let this server die
L365[06:53:27] <Sagh​etti> i'm already squeezing every last bit of power out of my huge beefy nox
L366[06:53:29] <Sagh​etti> box*
L367[06:53:34] <The_St​argazer> and that's celcius, the correct temp system
L368[06:53:41] <Sagh​etti> and we're getting somewhere around 1000 players tops
L369[06:53:45] <Sagh​etti> 😬
L370[06:54:04] <Ocawes​ome101> The_Stargazer: what kind of horsepower do you need?
L371[06:54:07] <The_St​argazer> well
L372[06:54:10] <The_St​argazer> it's a fairly large pack
L373[06:54:15] <The_St​argazer> basically dw20
L374[06:54:19] <The_St​argazer> but with some custom stuff
L375[06:54:22] <Ocawes​ome101> hmm
L376[06:54:52] <The_St​argazer> unfortunately something like Professional Server Hoster x isn't an option
L377[06:54:56] <Ocawes​ome101> so not gonna work on 3 gigs + 1 2.3GHz Xeon core :P
L378[06:55:00] <The_St​argazer> i mean
L379[06:55:00] <The_St​argazer> it might
L380[06:55:10] <The_St​argazer> i can run the client on 4GB
L381[06:55:16] <Ocawes​ome101> yeah
L382[06:55:17] <Ocawes​ome101> but
L383[06:55:18] <Sagh​etti> also i just realized how cheap and flexible aws is
L384[06:55:20] <Sagh​etti> not sponsored
L385[06:55:22] <The_St​argazer> and a server (I think) uses less RAM than a client
L386[06:55:36] <Ocawes​ome101> I have other friends who currently have their own server running on the same instance
L387[06:55:37] <Sagh​etti> crazy server with like 32 cores and 128gb of ram is like $1.25/hr
L388[06:55:51] <Sagh​etti> so a 3 hour event would be $3.75
L389[06:55:51] <Ocawes​ome101> Saghetti: whoa
L390[06:55:55] <Sagh​etti> with that much beef
L391[06:56:11] <Ocawes​ome101> The_Stargazer: Why are pro hosters not an option?
L392[06:56:17] <Sagh​etti> but for a month continuous, it's like $960
L393[06:56:18] <The_St​argazer> Because I don't have a job.
L394[06:56:24] <Ocawes​ome101> ...ah
L395[06:56:28] <The_St​argazer> I'm a highschool student lol
L396[06:56:31] <Ocawes​ome101> :P
L397[06:56:44] <The_St​argazer> i.e. not the kinda person to have a job
L398[06:56:49] <Ocawes​ome101> Saghetti: how about 2 cores + 6GB of RAM?
L399[06:56:54] <Ocawes​ome101> how much is that?
L400[06:57:14] <Sagh​etti> how about
L401[06:57:20] <Sagh​etti> like 4 cores and 8gb of ram
L402[06:57:30] <Sagh​etti> ill check that
L403[06:57:31] <Ocawes​ome101> m'kay
L404[06:57:43] <Sagh​etti> i think that's the capacity they have
L405[06:57:50] <Ocawes​ome101> OwO
L406[06:57:52] <Sagh​etti> close enough to what you said :P
L407[06:57:55] <Sagh​etti> ohno
L408[06:58:00] <Sagh​etti> cardinal sin
L409[06:58:03] <Sagh​etti> this deserves a
L410[06:58:05] <Ocawes​ome101> OwO OwO OwO
L411[06:58:07] <Sagh​etti> %sip Ocawesome101
L412[06:58:08] <MichiBot> This doesn't seem to be a potion I recognize... Make sure it has an appearance and consistency keyword, and the word "potion" in it.
L413[06:58:22] <Ocawes​ome101> %stab Saghetti
L414[06:58:23] <MichiBot> Ocawes​ome101 is stabbing Saghetti with brush for 1d4 => 3 damage! Brush was loaned out to a friend and was never returned.
L415[06:58:59] <Sagh​etti> so like
L416[06:59:07] <Sagh​etti> 2 cores and 8gb of ram is
L417[06:59:07] <Sagh​etti> 0.0832 per Hour
L418[06:59:21] <Sagh​etti> $62/mo
L419[06:59:30] <Sagh​etti> kinda pricey ngl
L420[06:59:46] <Sagh​etti> raspi master race
L421[07:00:00] <Sagh​etti> 56gb of ram and 28 cores for $399 one time
L422[07:00:17] <The_St​argazer> one time?
L423[07:00:21] <Sagh​etti> the cheapest server you can get has 8gb of ram and a dual core pentium
L424[07:00:23] <Ocawes​ome101> that's $728.832/hr
L425[07:00:27] <Sagh​etti> and costs $200 more
L426[07:00:35] <Ocawes​ome101> I have a Pi 4 but my internet is crap
L427[07:00:35] <Sagh​etti> physical hardware
L428[07:00:59] <Sagh​etti> raspis seem like a steal ngl
L429[07:01:45] <Ocawes​ome101> 4xA72+4GB RAM=$55
L430[07:01:59] <Sagh​etti> and it's not only the cost
L431[07:02:04] <Sagh​etti> just look at this thing
L432[07:02:07] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/y946ewcj
L433[07:02:16] <The_St​argazer> is that a raspi?
L434[07:02:17] <Sagh​etti> is that not the cutest raspi you've seen?
L435[07:02:18] <Ocawes​ome101> the thing with the freaking GPU doing all the early init is wack tho
L436[07:02:20] <The_St​argazer> i thought they were bigger
L437[07:02:26] <Sagh​etti> it's a raspi on a module
L438[07:02:28] <The_St​argazer> @Ocawesome101 what
L439[07:02:32] <Sagh​etti> 4 cores and 8gb of ram
L440[07:02:36] <The_St​argazer> oh nice
L441[07:02:39] <Sagh​etti> yes
L442[07:02:42] <Sagh​etti> the bootloader is on the GPU
L443[07:02:43] <The_St​argazer> what's it plug into tho
L444[07:02:55] <The_St​argazer> RAM slot or something?
L445[07:02:58] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/y7sg753u
L446[07:03:01] <Sagh​etti> this very cool board
L447[07:03:03] <The_St​argazer> also: GPU bootloader? damn
L448[07:03:05] <The_St​argazer> oh nice
L449[07:03:07] <The_St​argazer> how much is the board
L450[07:03:11] <Sagh​etti> 7 slots (sad that it's not 8)
L451[07:03:12] <Ocawes​ome101> yea, broadcom bad
L452[07:03:16] <Sagh​etti> it's 189
L453[07:03:20] <Sagh​etti> $189*
L454[07:03:20] <The_St​argazer> oof
L455[07:03:26] <The_St​argazer> that's USD i assume
L456[07:03:27] <Sagh​etti> all modules are *30
L457[07:03:35] <Ocawes​ome101> so that's....
L458[07:03:43] <Sagh​etti> all added up it's $399
L459[07:03:47] <Sagh​etti> 7 modules + board
L460[07:03:51] <Ocawes​ome101> 399
L461[07:03:57] <Ocawes​ome101> less than I paid for my desktop lol
L462[07:04:10] <The_St​argazer> is that a 3+ compute module?
L463[07:04:23] <The_St​argazer> yea
L464[07:04:24] <The_St​argazer> 3+
L465[07:04:38] <Sagh​etti> a 28 core processor from AMD is
L466[07:04:40] <Sagh​etti> drumroll pleae
L467[07:04:46] <Sagh​etti> $2999
L468[07:04:57] <Sagh​etti> and it's just a cpu!!
L469[07:05:05] <The_St​argazer> a 3+ compute module is $78 where i live tho
L470[07:05:12] <Sagh​etti> oof
L471[07:05:17] <CompanionCube> Saghetti: and of course, the VC4 firmware is a closed-source blob, even though it's equivalent to intel's ME.
L472[07:05:38] <Sagh​etti> VC4?
L473[07:06:02] <CompanionCube> the VC4 is the actual name of the 'GPU' you're referring to: VideoCore IV.
L474[07:06:30] <Sagh​etti> oh alr
L475[07:06:55] <Sagh​etti> still, the two things im nervous about are:
L476[07:07:00] <Sagh​etti> 1. clock speed
L477[07:07:02] <Sagh​etti> 2. overheating
L478[07:07:15] <Sagh​etti> it sits at a measly 1.2ghz
L479[07:07:28] <CompanionCube> (Good news is that unlike the ME, you can replace it and there's a WIP FOSS firmware)
L480[07:07:30] <Sagh​etti> you can overclock it to 2ghz, but now you have the problem of #2
L481[07:07:52] <Sagh​etti> i guess i'll just have a huge fan blowing at it
L482[07:07:57] <Sagh​etti> it'll fit in while in a datacenter
L483[07:08:00] <The_St​argazer> that'll work
L484[07:08:01] <The_St​argazer> not
L485[07:08:16] <Sagh​etti> :(
L486[07:08:18] <The_St​argazer> don't think that's how it works
L487[07:08:29] <Sagh​etti> it'll work good enough
L488[07:08:43] <Sagh​etti> these things are pretty small, and ARM is nice and power efficient
L489[07:08:53] <Sagh​etti> and plus i could just add little heat sinks
L490[07:08:57] <Sagh​etti> ooh
L491[07:09:00] <Sagh​etti> huge brain idea
L492[07:09:13] <Sagh​etti> cram like 200 compute modules into a rack mounted server
L493[07:09:30] <Sagh​etti> it could be 1U also
L494[07:09:40] <The_St​argazer> 1 rack unit?
L495[07:09:45] <Sagh​etti> yeah
L496[07:09:49] <Sagh​etti> like a pizzabox server
L497[07:10:08] <Sagh​etti> you would have 2TB of ram and 1024 cores
L498[07:10:37] <Ar​iri> Link to the world and server for AririCraft 1 (ignore the name)
L499[07:10:38] <Ar​iri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/sHwS4FNsDxzJ9MJ
L500[07:10:43] <CompanionCube> is there a reason you're stuck with the broadcom SoC and a compute module with useless-for-you gpio?
L501[07:10:57] <The_St​argazer> i thought the Pi 3+ Computer Module had 1GB RAM
L502[07:11:00] <Sagh​etti> cost effectiveness
L503[07:11:08] <Sagh​etti> 4 cores and 8gb of ram
L504[07:11:26] <The_St​argazer> i automatically type "computer" and not "compute" lol
L505[07:11:29] <Sagh​etti> we can't break the bank on this thing (unfortunately)
L506[07:11:30] <Ocawes​ome101> also Saghetti, when the modules are all in one board do they work in tandem or are they individual units?
L507[07:11:33] <CompanionCube> but if you're doing it at 100s scale couldn't you likely get better options?
L508[07:11:48] <The_St​argazer> `The CM3+ Compute Module contains the guts of a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ (the BCM2837 processor and 1GB RAM)`
L509[07:12:10] <Ocawes​ome101> 4 cores, 1 GB of RAM
L510[07:12:15] <Ocawes​ome101> 8GB of eMMC
L511[07:12:38] <Sagh​etti> bruh moment
L512[07:12:40] <Sagh​etti> what is this
L513[07:12:49] <CompanionCube> wait, they were on about 8G of RAM *in a single module*?
L514[07:12:58] <Ocawes​ome101> no, eMMC
L515[07:13:06] <Ar​iri> I have a pi 3b but i want to get a shiny 4 for some fun times
L516[07:13:13] <The_St​argazer> common mistake, mixing RAM and storage space
L517[07:13:20] <CompanionCube> Won't happen ever, if only because VC4 iirc is 32-bit :p
L518[07:13:25] <Sagh​etti> i assumed it wouldnt have any
L519[07:13:33] <Sagh​etti> (storage space)
L520[07:13:41] <Ocawes​ome101> I have a 3B+ and a 4B, don't use them much tho
L521[07:13:44] ⇨ Joins: Ariri (uid378594@id-378594.highgate.irccloud.com)
L522[07:13:48] <Ocawes​ome101> nope, has up to 32GB of eMMC
L523[07:13:53] <CompanionCube> it's a compute module, where else is the storage gonna be
L524[07:14:00] <Sagh​etti> the board
L525[07:14:09] <Sagh​etti> the container thing whatever
L526[07:14:10] <Ar​iri> Izaya: Download link is 20 or so messages up^
L527[07:14:11] <Sagh​etti> @Ocawesome101 so these act as individual modules, but i have really good software that ties all of them together nicely
L528[07:14:17] <CompanionCube> like the eMMC which is one the board?
L529[07:14:18] <Ocawes​ome101> ah
L530[07:14:20] <Ocawes​ome101> ok cool
L531[07:14:28] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/y9sjn2wf
L532[07:14:31] <Sagh​etti> those are SD card slots
L533[07:14:32] <Sagh​etti> on the bottom
L534[07:14:36] <CompanionCube> ah
L535[07:14:50] <Sagh​etti> welp, this whole plan is stupid now
L536[07:14:53] <Ar​iri> What’s the board for? I skimmed the chat but I didn’t gather it’s purpose
L537[07:14:59] <The_St​argazer> compute modules
L538[07:15:03] <Sagh​etti> tl;dr: lots of slim raspberry pis on a board
L539[07:15:07] <Ar​iri> to compute what
L540[07:15:08] <Ar​iri> oh
L541[07:15:14] <CompanionCube> the compute module is essentilly 'i need an rpi but ~embedded~'
L542[07:15:14] <The_St​argazer> yea that
L543[07:15:16] <Sagh​etti> minecraft server with 2000 players
L544[07:15:23] <Sagh​etti> can't host shit with 1gb of ram though
L545[07:15:31] <Ar​iri> just do it like ltt did lol
L546[07:15:33] <Sagh​etti> welp i guess my journey endshere
L547[07:15:36] <Sagh​etti> ends here*
L548[07:15:38] <The_St​argazer> ltt?
L549[07:15:43] <Sagh​etti> linus tech tips
L550[07:15:44] <Ar​iri> LTT
L551[07:15:45] <The_St​argazer> oh
L552[07:15:47] <Ar​iri> ^
L553[07:16:02] <CompanionCube> you could maybe do shenanigans with bungeecord and an rpi cluster?
L554[07:16:07] <Ar​iri> https://youtu.be/Y4uIvK8Y7t8
L555[07:16:08] <MichiBot> Building the ULTIMATE Minecraft Server | length: 18m 7s | Likes: 80,131 Dislikes: 1,286 Views: 2,202,713 | by Linus Tech Tips | Published On 22/10/2019
L556[07:16:13] <Ar​iri> https://youtu.be/xgr4qibTVCQ
L557[07:16:14] <MichiBot> Our Viewers CRASHED the Ultimate Minecraft Server! | length: 15m 15s | Likes: 60,690 Dislikes: 1,013 Views: 2,094,723 | by Linus Tech Tips | Published On 2/12/2019
L558[07:16:40] <The_St​argazer> it survived for two months i see
L559[07:16:46] <The_St​argazer> well, less than
L560[07:16:48] <The_St​argazer> about 1.5
L561[07:16:54] <Ar​iri> nope
L562[07:17:00] <Ar​iri> just release dates
L563[07:17:03] <The_St​argazer> oh
L564[07:17:09] <Sagh​etti> it needs to be affordable, thats the thing
L565[07:17:11] <The_St​argazer> how long did it actually stay up for
L566[07:17:14] <Ar​iri> i think it was shorter than that bc it got overloaded
L567[07:18:24] <Ar​iri> Saghetti: you want a server with many players for what? modded? for profit with renting or donations?
L568[07:18:44] <CompanionCube> (Fun fact re proprietary blob: The entire SoC itself is managed by a ThreadX-based RTOS that is loaded into the Videocore's VPU during bootup.[)
L569[07:19:16] <Sagh​etti> Ariri: minigame server for this big project
L570[07:19:43] <Sagh​etti> build the earth
L571[07:20:08] <Ar​iri> Why not just have a typical dual cpu setup? isn’t it the same price range?
L572[07:20:37] <Peach​Master> Hello everyone. Does anyone use this networking API called Minitel for OpenComputerss?
L573[07:20:39] <Sagh​etti> they wanted to have a minigame server to keep the community engaged and allow them to take a break from building
L574[07:20:51] <Sagh​etti> Izaya: ^
L575[07:21:04] <Sagh​etti> izaya's the one who made it
L576[07:21:12] <The_St​argazer> use GERTi :^)
L577[07:21:13] <Ar​iri> Heh, Izaya is just the person to help you, PeachMaster
L578[07:21:17] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L579[07:21:17] <MichiBot> Waesucks! Squi​dDev! You beat Li​zzy's previous record of 20 minutes and 42 seconds (By 7 hours, 27 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L580[07:21:18] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.007 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.57107. Position #4 Need 0.10508 more points to pass Li​zzy!
L581[07:21:21] <Sagh​etti> wait for hom to show up
L582[07:21:22] <Sagh​etti> %tonk
L583[07:21:23] <MichiBot> Fudge! Sagh​etti! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of <0 (By 5 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L584[07:21:24] <MichiBot> Saghetti's new record is 5 seconds! Position #18. Need 0.00027 more points to pass expe​rt975!
L585[07:21:33] <The_St​argazer> %tonk
L586[07:21:38] <The_St​argazer> oh
L587[07:21:42] <The_St​argazer> cooldown?
L588[07:21:44] <Sagh​etti> ye
L589[07:21:46] <The_St​argazer> %tonk
L590[07:21:48] <The_St​argazer> how long is it
L591[07:21:52] <SquidDev> It's 15 minutes IIRC.
L592[07:21:52] <Sagh​etti> :facepalm:
L593[07:21:55] <The_St​argazer> oh.
L594[07:21:57] <Ar​iri> deja vu...
L595[07:22:25] <The_St​argazer> on a different subject..
L596[07:22:31] <The_St​argazer> Ariri: i uploaded Rev 0.2 yesterday
L597[07:22:51] <Ar​iri> Mmm I saw, didn’t get around to testing today
L598[07:22:53] <The_St​argazer> should be good; i did a lot of config changes
L599[07:23:01] <Ar​iri> I was strangely tired for only sleeping at 1
L600[07:23:06] <The_St​argazer> ¯\(ツ)/¯
L601[07:23:16] <The_St​argazer> strange tiredness is strange
L602[07:23:50] <Ocawes​ome101> anyways I need to go to bed
L603[07:23:51] <Ocawes​ome101> good night all
L604[07:24:10] <The_St​argazer> o/
L605[07:24:15] <Ar​iri> Oh, also: AmandaC’s mod update is there too, if you fancy trying to use her work for having all the mods updated.
L606[07:24:16] <Ar​iri> I can do it myself, but if you have some downtime it’d be appreciated
L607[07:24:21] <Ocawes​ome101> \o
L608[07:24:25] <Ar​iri> Bye
L609[07:24:38] <The_St​argazer> Ariri: ?
L610[07:24:39] <Sagh​etti> cya
L611[07:24:47] <Sagh​etti> (imagine sleeping, cant relate)
L612[07:24:51] <The_St​argazer> ikr
L613[07:24:58] <The_St​argazer> Ariri: you want me to update the mods? can do
L614[07:25:17] <The_St​argazer> gimme a couple hours
L615[07:26:17] <Sagh​etti> i mean i really wish i could break the bank and go all out on servers
L616[07:26:24] <Ar​iri> I think it’s the dev zip or Temp ACMS.. I swear it had a different name but I guess it’s one of those or both that has the new mods she did awhile back
L617[07:26:28] <Sagh​etti> but that's not an option unfortunately
L618[07:27:01] <The_St​argazer> 1.1.0?
L619[07:27:03] <Ar​iri> Stargazer: Dont fret about it, it’s only if you’re really bored or something, I’ll look into it myself anyways
L620[07:27:21] <The_St​argazer> well; I'll check the dev zip
L621[07:27:26] <The_St​argazer> and also temp ACMS
L622[07:27:59] <Ar​iri> Okay
L623[07:27:59] <Ar​iri> I think the dev one might be with some mod changes, but not Amanda’s updates. My memory could be failing me though
L624[07:28:00] <The_St​argazer> Oh I see
L625[07:28:07] <The_St​argazer> `Ariri's Server Mods (but new).tar`?
L626[07:28:30] <Ar​iri> Oh it might be that yeah
L627[07:28:31] <The_St​argazer> hoping WinRAR can be WinTAR
L628[07:28:32] <The_St​argazer> haha i funny
L629[07:28:37] <Ar​iri> where is it?
L630[07:28:42] <Ar​iri> and yes i think it does
L631[07:28:42] <The_St​argazer> Temp ACMS
L632[07:28:44] <Sagh​etti> WinTARGZ
L633[07:28:56] <The_St​argazer> WinTRARGZIP
L634[07:29:00] <Ar​iri> Oh i’m blind
L635[07:29:09] <The_St​argazer> we all are sometimes lol
L636[07:29:12] <Ar​iri> AdorableCatgirl: WinTSAR
L637[07:29:15] <Sagh​etti> also ngl windows has a cool architecture
L638[07:29:25] <Sagh​etti> in terms of how it works internally
L639[07:29:33] <Ar​iri> ba dum tss?
L640[07:29:42] <Sagh​etti> processes like winlogon, userinit, rundll, etc
L641[07:29:44] <The_St​argazer> i doubt anyone at Microsoft knows how Windows works anymore
L642[07:29:51] <Ar​iri> In actuality, I thought I read-
L643[07:29:55] <The_St​argazer> the team who did the kernel is probably long gone
L644[07:29:56] <Ar​iri> Yeah, that pretty much^
L645[07:30:03] <The_St​argazer> also
L646[07:30:14] <The_St​argazer> Windows """works""" in that it does what it needs to do 25% of the time
L647[07:30:27] <The_St​argazer> 25% is being generous too
L648[07:30:30] <Ar​iri> It’s a big maze of connecting dots without numbers basically, a huge complex mess
L649[07:30:36] <The_St​argazer> yea
L650[07:30:38] <Ar​iri> Cool in its own way I suppose
L651[07:30:40] <The_St​argazer> dots but no numbers
L652[07:30:56] <The_St​argazer> > a huge complex mess
L653[07:30:56] <The_St​argazer> Windows in four words
L654[07:31:59] <Ar​iri> Also see: half-completed connect the dots without the labeling, and with a bunch of scribbling and semi-erased lines
L655[07:32:06] <The_St​argazer> yeah
L656[07:32:07] <The_St​argazer> :P
L657[07:32:18] <Sagh​etti> someone should make a mainframe OS for oc
L658[07:32:20] <The_St​argazer> and then one guy goes "fuck it let's start over" (Windows 8)
L659[07:32:57] <Ar​iri> I was not a big fan of Windows 8 or 8.1, and I really liked getting a free copy of Windows 10
L660[07:33:04] <Ar​iri> .. for about a month
L661[07:33:05] <Nat​sumi>
L662[07:33:10] <Ar​iri> Heh?
L663[07:33:26] <Ar​iri> Nani?
L664[07:33:45] <Forec​aster> . is the command character for Natsumi
L665[07:33:54] <Sagh​etti> ..
L666[07:34:00] <Forec​aster> I think
L667[07:34:12] <Ar​iri> Surely someone has used .. in the beginning of their sentence before
L668[07:34:15] <Sagh​etti> .. for about a month
L669[07:34:15] <Nat​sumi>
L670[07:34:29] <Sagh​etti> .. natsumi is broken ngl
L671[07:34:29] <Nat​sumi>
L672[07:34:45] <Ar​iri> Last I used Natsumi was like late 2017
L673[07:34:50] <Ar​iri> maybe early 2018
L674[07:35:01] <Mic​hiyo> No @Forecaster I don't want to help you
L675[07:35:16] <Forec​aster> `.. <name> <message>`
L676[07:35:24] <Forec​aster> is the add quote command apparently
L677[07:35:52] <Forec​aster> ...
L678[07:35:52] <Ar​iri> .. Forecaster I like to pet Komodo dragons
L679[07:35:58] <The_St​argazer> Aww.
L680[07:36:00] <Ar​iri> Naze
L681[07:36:01] <Mic​hiyo> It's ok, I've killed @Natsumi
L682[07:36:15] <The_St​argazer> F
L683[07:36:30] <The_St​argazer> we have %quote tho
L684[07:36:31] <Mic​hiyo> taskkill /f Nadeko.exe
L685[07:36:35] <Forec​aster> @Michiyo help me with what? :P
L686[07:36:48] <Mic​hiyo> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/mizeqiceme
L687[07:36:53] <The_St​argazer> so why is the bot still "online"
L688[07:36:58] <CompanionCube> Saghetti: isn't it a bit of shame how the better stuff is made up for with crap like the win32 bit
L689[07:36:58] <Ar​iri> wouldn’t it be /IM Nadeko.exe /f ?
L690[07:37:15] <Ar​iri> Or something else
L691[07:37:18] <The_St​argazer> normally when a discord bot is killed, it stops showing as online, right?
L692[07:37:18] <Mic​hiyo> Yes, technically, though to be honest I used taskmgr :P
L693[07:37:26] <Forec​aster> I sent that to Natsumi :P
L694[07:37:29] <The_St​argazer> oh there we go
L695[07:37:29] <Mic​hiyo> You mean like that?
L696[07:37:32] <Mic​hiyo> It takes time.
L697[07:37:41] <Mic​hiyo> @Forecaster I'm well aware.
L698[07:37:47] <The_St​argazer> i think it's if Discord sends a heartbeat and it doesn't get a reponse?
L699[07:37:49] <Mic​hiyo> Bot admins are DMed when you DM the bot it seems
L700[07:37:50] <The_St​argazer> response*
L701[07:38:08] <Mic​hiyo> so Lizzy and I got that :p
L702[07:38:13] <Ar​iri> Wait you made Natsumi?
L703[07:38:15] <The_St​argazer> i don't know much about discord internals ¯\(ツ)/¯
L704[07:38:21] <The_St​argazer> it's probably an instance
L705[07:38:24] <Ar​iri> Or you’re using a copy?
L706[07:38:32] <Mic​hiyo> A copy
L707[07:38:37] <Ar​iri> Ah
L708[07:38:52] <Ar​iri> I was going to get really confused
L709[07:39:06] <Mic​hiyo> I mainly ran Natsumi for the music module, then it broke
L710[07:39:15] <Mic​hiyo> and... meh I never bothered removing the autostart lol
L711[07:39:40] <Ar​iri> I saw, lol
L712[07:39:41] <Ar​iri> Which reminds me I’ve yet to put music on my bot... oh well
L713[07:40:35] <Ar​iri> Also i’m half convinced the bots are becoming self-aware, because at least 3-5 different bots with music functionality I know go down at the exact same time; but, bots without music don’t.
L714[07:41:47] <The_St​argazer> Ariri: Mods should be updated now
L715[07:42:10] <The_St​argazer> I removed the mods from the mods folder that were also in the tar and then copied them from the tar
L716[07:42:16] <The_St​argazer> replacing the old with the new
L717[07:42:17] <The_St​argazer> afk
L718[07:42:46] <Ar​iri> I’ll have a look tomorrow afternoon
L719[07:42:48] <Ar​iri> For now
L720[07:43:02] <Ar​iri> %choose sleepy time or quick video/episode
L721[07:43:02] <MichiBot> Ar​​iri: Wait, what was the question again? Uhh... "quick video/episode"?
L722[07:43:27] <Ar​iri> Arigato Michi :)
L723[07:43:42] ⇦ Quits: Ariri (uid378594@id-378594.highgate.irccloud.com) ()
L724[07:47:11] <Ar​iri> That quick video/episode got the yuri stirred up in me... so much for sleepy time. Thanks youtube
L725[07:47:26] <Forec​aster> mistakes were made
L726[07:48:31] <Ar​iri> Indeed...
L727[07:48:31] <Ar​iri> I think Youtube is learning that I like yuri bc I keep watching the funny lesbian Hololive
L728[07:48:39] <Ar​iri> This isn’t good
L729[07:49:50] <Sagh​etti> ohno
L730[07:51:14] <Izaya> PeachMaster: Still here?
L731[07:51:23] <Izaya> I need to set up my XMPP notification bot again >.>
L732[07:52:59] <CompanionCube> Saghetti: also i maintain that mainframe OSes are lame, even if the hardware isn't.
L733[07:53:34] <Sagh​etti> why tho
L734[07:53:48] <Sagh​etti> coding stuff to work with multi users and remote terminals is kinda cool ngl
L735[07:55:08] <CompanionCube> yeah but you don't need a mainframe for that, let alone something like z/OS.
L736[07:55:27] <Sagh​etti> true multi-user multi-terminal OS for OC
L737[07:55:52] <Sagh​etti> that takes advantage of multiple microcontrollers to do processing
L738[07:56:20] <CompanionCube> i mean irl mainframes do that, so...
L739[07:56:20] <Izaya> god I hate python
L740[07:56:38] <Sagh​etti> also OC storage is too small
L741[07:56:48] <Sagh​etti> 4mb of hard disk and 2mb of ram
L742[07:57:00] <Sagh​etti> >:(
L743[07:57:10] <Izaya> you are insufficiently creative
L744[07:57:19] <Izaya> you can get 810M in a single chest with a tape drive
L745[07:57:24] <Sagh​etti> what do people have against python
L746[07:57:31] <CompanionCube> Izaya: no thoughts on even the limited support of the directx api on linux?
L747[07:57:33] <Izaya> 1620M in a double chest
L748[07:57:56] <Izaya> didn't get around to looking at it yet
L749[07:58:03] <Izaya> was investigating ZNC modules
L750[07:58:06] <Sagh​etti> yeah, but i mean bigger storage in a single item
L751[07:58:15] <CompanionCube> oh?
L752[07:58:19] <Izaya> my choices are perl, python, TCL or C++
L753[07:58:21] <Sagh​etti> i don't want to deal with setting up a system for archiving data using a chest of tapes
L754[07:58:22] <Izaya> maybe I'll learn TCL
L755[07:58:28] <Sagh​etti> and plus, kinda slow
L756[07:58:33] <Izaya> Saghetti: consider:
L757[07:58:40] <Izaya> virtual 'drive' component mapping to tapes
L758[07:59:27] <Izaya> CompanionCube: smells like EEE to me
L759[07:59:34] <CompanionCube> Izaya: why not use C++ and write your own lua-bindings
L760[07:59:34] <Sagh​etti> yeah, but is it slow to pull tapes out of the chest and into a drive?
L761[08:00:00] <Izaya> not hugely, random access speed may be slow but sequential should be fast enough
L762[08:00:13] <Sagh​etti> i mean what do you have against python
L763[08:00:18] <Sagh​etti> works nice for me
L764[08:00:23] <Izaya> it's messy and painful to write
L765[08:00:35] <Izaya> it makes me think of javascript due to how bizarre and inconsistent it is
L766[08:00:43] <Izaya> also everything is OOP
L767[08:00:45] <Izaya> begone
L768[08:00:55] <Sagh​etti> can it work with multiple users accessing files at the same time?
L769[08:01:07] <The_St​argazer> corded machine broke?
L770[08:01:09] <Izaya> if you make the operations atomic, sure
L771[08:01:21] <The_St​argazer> honestly I would use IRC
L772[08:01:22] <The_St​argazer> but
L773[08:01:24] <Sagh​etti> at least its not java
L774[08:01:26] <Izaya> and/or store state in the driver
L775[08:01:27] <The_St​argazer> i have stuff on discord
L776[08:01:31] <Sagh​etti> and it's not as broken as JS
L777[08:01:34] <The_St​argazer> like e.g. the fabric server
L778[08:01:52] <Izaya> The_Stargazer: consider also: #charset
L779[08:02:08] <Izaya> Saghetti: "it's not as bad as these two other shit languages"
L780[08:02:19] <CompanionCube> Izaya: eh, i'd say it wouldn't work well for EEE because of the whole 'open-source' aspect for the kernel interfaces
L781[08:02:22] <Sagh​etti> you cant do ("b" + "a" + + "a").toLowerCase()
L782[08:02:29] <Sagh​etti> and get banana
L783[08:02:33] <Sagh​etti> you get a syntax error
L784[08:02:43] <Sagh​etti> sure, what do you program in then
L785[08:02:46] <Sagh​etti> straight forth?
L786[08:03:01] <Izaya> I'd like to say Lua but I get most of my work done in bash
L787[08:03:05] <CompanionCube> for EEE the proprietary bits must be visible only to you
L788[08:03:10] <Izaya> it does not make me happy but shell scripting is the fastest way to get things done
L789[08:03:25] <Izaya> CompanionCube: "You can use DirectX on Linux... if you run Linux under Windows."
L790[08:03:30] <The_St​argazer> Izaya: #charset?
L791[08:03:56] <Sagh​etti> cant deal with how weird python is
L792[08:04:03] <Sagh​etti> writes everything in bash
L793[08:04:20] <Izaya> I'm not sure if there's a fabric-specific channel but #charset is asie's usual haunt
L794[08:04:32] <Sagh​etti> i mean, makes sense now why you think it's weird
L795[08:04:40] <Izaya> Saghetti: there's a reason that stuff in bash is inconsistent though
L796[08:04:46] <Izaya> because you're just taping shit together
L797[08:05:00] <Izaya> Python doesn't have that excuse, it's a whole language, not just syntax to tape other utilities together
L798[08:05:00] <CompanionCube> Izaya: which would last until the inevitable reimplenation of the shim, like ndiswrapper was/is a thing?
L799[08:05:27] <Izaya> and like I said, bash doesn't make me happy, it just gets shit done.
L800[08:05:54] <The_St​argazer> i thought asie didn't work on fabric anymore?
L801[08:06:00] <The_St​argazer> also: i hate mixins and want them to die currently
L802[08:06:05] <Sagh​etti> it's like making an entire sculpture out of duct tape and superglue
L803[08:06:11] <Izaya> yup
L804[08:06:12] <Sagh​etti> i guess it works
L805[08:06:38] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/img/unix-making-computers-easier-to-use.webm
L806[08:07:03] <CompanionCube> alas there's no half-decent powershell to improve on bash so you're pretty stuck eiht somrthing like it
L807[08:07:24] <Izaya> I use a unix-like system so I have to be proficient with bash
L808[08:07:25] <CompanionCube> (No, MS powershell-for-linux doesn't count.)
L809[08:07:29] <Sagh​etti> cant watch it rn unfortunately
L810[08:07:36] <Izaya> or at least some sort of shell language
L811[08:07:47] <Sagh​etti> also honestly
L812[08:07:50] <Sagh​etti> what the fuck is perl
L813[08:07:57] <Izaya> CompanionCube: powershell is bad enough on windows
L814[08:08:18] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i said something *like* powershell conceptually
L815[08:08:18] <Izaya> Saghetti: I don't know, but I like to believe it's what happens when you extend a pattern matcher to turning completeness
L816[08:08:45] <Izaya> that said, it's very good for processing text
L817[08:08:48] <CompanionCube> not the verbose thing of MS powershell
L818[08:08:54] <Izaya> and given I mostly process text
L819[08:08:58] <Izaya> I should probably learn it
L820[08:09:06] <Izaya> oh, that reminds me
L821[08:09:10] <Izaya> another reason I hate python
L822[08:09:11] <Izaya> pip
L823[08:09:13] <Izaya> pip3
L824[08:09:16] <Izaya> pip2
L825[08:09:24] <Sagh​etti> perl and PHP feels like if somebody took bash and tried to make it an actual language
L826[08:09:34] <Izaya> language specific package managers get >>>/out/
L827[08:09:41] <CompanionCube> unfortunate-ness: wsl would have opengl and dx12...but not vulkan
L828[08:09:50] * CompanionCube curses Izaya with npm
L829[08:09:55] <Izaya> you jest
L830[08:09:58] <Sagh​etti> i honestly dont have much against it
L831[08:10:00] <Sagh​etti> the trick is just
L832[08:10:02] <Izaya> but I've been running a peertube instance on a VPS
L833[08:10:08] <Izaya> node_modules is literally 4GB
L834[08:10:09] <Sagh​etti> dont install python 2
L835[08:10:10] <Izaya> how
L836[08:10:11] <CompanionCube> \i\
L837[08:10:13] <Sagh​etti> it's kinda disgusting ngl
L838[08:10:16] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i inow t
L839[08:10:17] <Izaya> the OS isn't that big
L840[08:10:20] <CompanionCube> i know the feel
L841[08:10:26] <Izaya> debian was using like
L842[08:10:28] <Izaya> 500M
L843[08:10:33] <Sagh​etti> npm is much worse
L844[08:10:36] <Izaya> Saghetti: then you still have pip3
L845[08:10:37] * CompanionCube remembers 'yarn install' with mastodon
L846[08:10:42] <Izaya> which is still a language-specific package manager
L847[08:10:47] <Izaya> which can go fuck itself with a rake
L848[08:10:49] <CompanionCube> of course it deals with rhousands of packages lol
L849[08:10:57] <Izaya> also
L850[08:11:00] <Izaya> virtualenv
L851[08:11:05] <Sagh​etti> alias pip="pip3"
L852[08:11:15] <Izaya> this doesn't solve the problem of pip existing at all
L853[08:11:16] <Sagh​etti> why does python2 even exist
L854[08:11:21] <CompanionCube> Izaya: meanwhile on gentoo: system-wide pip is patched into not working so you don't break the package manager
L855[08:11:24] <Sagh​etti> why is it still aroundn
L856[08:11:37] <Izaya> because python encourages you not to update your stuff
L857[08:11:55] <Izaya> what is the point of virtualenv if not to be lazy and not update stuff
L858[08:15:49] <Sagh​etti> i dont use virtualenv
L859[08:34:13] <Sagh​etti> welp imma head out nowc
L860[08:34:15] <Sagh​etti> cya
L861[08:36:58] <The_St​argazer> o/
L862[08:38:30] <The_St​argazer> so I'm thinking about making most items stack higher in the pack; thoughts?
L863[08:39:10] <The_St​argazer> like e.g. make signs stack to 64 (why do they stack up to 16 max anyway??)
L864[08:41:23] <asie> why limit yourself to 64? https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/stackup
L865[08:43:10] <The_St​argazer> asie: that's the mod I was referencing :P
L866[08:43:43] <The_St​argazer> your niche mods are actually rather cool
L867[08:43:52] <The_St​argazer> the type of mod that I didn't know I needed
L868[08:44:05] ⇦ Quits: Backslash (~Backslash@d137-186-220-152.abhsia.telus.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
L869[08:44:47] <The_St​argazer> the charset download on charset.asie.pl includes all modules, correct?
L870[08:49:53] <asie> corerct
L871[08:49:57] <asie> correct*
L872[08:50:30] <The_St​argazer> great
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L875[08:51:19] <The_St​argazer> if you put MAGE on a server, will it either
L876[08:51:22] <The_St​argazer> a) crash horribly
L877[08:51:24] <The_St​argazer> or b) do nothing
L878[08:51:57] <Forec​aster> no idea what MAGE is but assuming it's a client mod that generally does ntohing
L879[08:52:00] <Forec​aster> no idea what MAGE is but assuming it's a client mod that generally does nothing [Edited]
L880[08:52:25] <Forec​aster> because forge has been instructed to not load client stuff on the server
L881[08:52:30] <payonel> Izaya: shadowcat link to oc manual?
L882[08:52:38] <The_St​argazer> oh, Mildly Advanced Graphics Extensions
L883[08:52:44] <Izaya> https://oc.shadowkat.net/oc/
L884[08:52:45] <The_St​argazer> so yeah, client-side only
L885[08:53:18] <Forec​aster> unless the developer is doing something wildly unusual or messed up with the forge instructions it'll probably do nothing
L886[08:53:19] <payonel> ok cool thanks
L887[08:53:39] <The_St​argazer> asie: are you doing anything cursed with forge
L888[08:54:02] <The_St​argazer> cursedsie™️
L889[08:58:01] <The_St​argazer> playing with proper (i.e. not just for myself) modpack creation is sorta feeling like i'm a child in a candy shop
L890[08:58:13] <The_St​argazer> with little monetary restriction
L891[08:58:33] <Forec​aster> why?
L892[08:58:44] <The_St​argazer> well, i get to play around with building a proper pack
L893[08:58:49] <The_St​argazer> that people will actually use
L894[08:58:59] <The_St​argazer> instead of getting made and then abandoned by me
L895[08:59:22] <The_St​argazer> also nostalgia for mods I played ages ago
L896[08:59:25] <Forec​aster> but you have the exact same candy store otherwise
L897[08:59:30] <Forec​aster> :P
L898[08:59:33] <The_St​argazer> good point
L899[08:59:33] <The_St​argazer> but
L900[08:59:41] <The_St​argazer> this is the first time i've made a pack in
L901[08:59:41] <The_St​argazer> uh
L902[08:59:43] <The_St​argazer> a long time
L903[08:59:46] <The_St​argazer> atleast a year
L904[09:00:01] <The_St​argazer> and it's the first time i've actually properly made a pack
L905[09:00:37] <The_St​argazer> afk
L906[09:02:30] <The_St​argazer> there's also a few mods i'd love to be on 1.12.2
L907[09:02:33] <The_St​argazer> or see updated
L908[09:02:34] <The_St​argazer> well, two
L909[09:03:51] <The_St​argazer> and, in fact, one of those two mods is why I have respect for sites like 9minecraft (shocking, I know)
L910[09:04:05] <The_St​argazer> it's because they help to preserve mods
L911[09:04:25] <The_St​argazer> because, what if the forum post gets deleted? or what if the curseforge page no longer exists?
L912[09:05:35] <Izaya> aren't all the forum posts gonna get deleted
L913[09:05:46] <Izaya> curse said they were closing the forums, right?
L914[09:05:49] <The_St​argazer> the two mods in question that I would love (understatement of the century) to be on 1.12.2:
L915[09:06:05] <The_St​argazer> wait
L916[09:06:06] <The_St​argazer> WHAT
L917[09:06:14] <The_St​argazer> the Artifice mod and the Shadow World mod
L918[09:06:14] <The_St​argazer> i played these mods ages ago
L919[09:06:17] <The_St​argazer> i--
L920[09:06:18] <The_St​argazer> i can't--
L921[09:06:22] <The_St​argazer> w h y
L922[09:06:37] <Forec​aster> ... the problem with sites like 9minecraft is that they upload versions claiming they are other versions and have malware in them
L923[09:06:47] <A_D> ^
L924[09:06:48] <The_St​argazer> do they WANT to remove years and years of people's happiness?
L925[09:06:49] <Izaya> https://www.minecraftforum.net/news/60727-important-minecraft-forum-archive-announcement
L926[09:06:56] <Izaya> oh
L927[09:07:02] <Forec​aster> closing the forums doesn't necessarily mean deleting the posts
L928[09:07:07] <The_St​argazer> curseforge respect -100
L929[09:07:16] <Izaya> sold the site to another company
L930[09:07:18] <Izaya> interesting
L931[09:07:22] <Izaya> I guess that works
L932[09:07:37] <Izaya> guess minecraft forums wasn't making enough money for twitch
L933[09:08:22] <The_St​argazer> hopefully this new company will take better care of years and years of people's collective experiences
L934[09:08:42] <Izaya> I kind of hate curse
L935[09:08:43] <The_St​argazer> curse respect -100 still tho
L936[09:09:00] <Izaya> but curse is only relevant because Mojang never set up community stuff
L937[09:09:03] <The_St​argazer> you don't just say "oh we're going to shut down this really influential place kthxbye"
L938[09:09:05] <Forec​aster> the original post said it would be a read-only archive, they weren't going to delete everything
L939[09:09:13] <The_St​argazer> Izaya: i do too now
L940[09:09:23] <Izaya> Forecaster: I only remembered it in passing
L941[09:09:24] <The_St​argazer> even if they weren't going to delete it
L942[09:09:29] <Izaya> so I posted sauce
L943[09:09:37] <The_St​argazer> closing a really influential place is a dick move
L944[09:09:47] <Izaya> do people like
L945[09:09:50] <Izaya> still use the minecraft forums
L946[09:09:56] <The_St​argazer> ¯\(ツ)/¯
L947[09:09:58] <The_St​argazer> Maybe.
L948[09:10:00] <Forec​aster> I do not
L949[09:10:04] <Forec​aster> I haven't been there in yeras
L950[09:10:09] <Forec​aster> I haven't been there in years [Edited]
L951[09:10:12] * Izaya doesn't like forums
L952[09:10:17] <Izaya> having an account makes me unhappy
L953[09:10:20] <The_St​argazer> there's a few things on there that I'm actually very attached two
L954[09:10:21] <The_St​argazer> too*
L955[09:10:24] <The_St​argazer> i can't spell
L956[09:10:28] <The_St​argazer> i have numbers on my mind
L957[09:10:39] <The_St​argazer> well, there's one thing
L958[09:10:40] <Izaya> also, IRC replaced the forums when I found it
L959[09:12:10] <Klea​dron> i'm going to be excited to check out the new gpu updates
L960[09:12:30] <The_St​argazer> same
L961[09:12:48] <A_D> sounds like an excuse to scrape the entire thing
L962[09:12:56] <The_St​argazer> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/duxitaxobu here's the changelog for ver 0.3 of the AririCraft server pack
L963[09:13:21] <The_St​argazer> the forums?
L964[09:13:22] <The_St​argazer> or curse?
L965[09:13:29] <A_D> yes
L966[09:14:03] <The_St​argazer> both?
L967[09:14:12] <A_D> scrape everything
L968[09:14:22] <A_D> though scraping cf is a bitch, I tried once
L969[09:14:30] <The_St​argazer> SCRAPE ALL THE EVERYTHINGS
L970[09:14:43] <Klea​dron> scrape the scrapers
L971[09:19:10] <The_St​argazer> `A CRITICAL PROBLEM OCCURRED INITIALIZING MINECRAFT - LIKELY YOU HAVE AN INCORRECT VERSION FOR THIS FML` okay, problem one
L972[09:19:15] <The_St​argazer> i have latest forge
L973[09:20:00] <Forec​aster> maybe you need <not> latest forge
L974[09:20:42] <asie> @The_Stargazer i'm not doing much modding at all nowadayss
L975[09:20:51] <The_St​argazer> oh
L976[09:25:08] <The_St​argazer> okay well i think i fixed the problem
L977[09:25:13] <The_St​argazer> looks like it was vanillafix
L978[09:25:30] <The_St​argazer> maybe it's incompatible with foamfix or phosphor
L979[09:27:04] <The_St​argazer> a total of 191 mods according to the loading screen
L980[09:27:05] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L981[09:27:06] <MichiBot> Waesucks! Forec​aster! You beat Sagh​etti's previous record of 5 seconds (By 2 hours, 5 minutes and 37 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L982[09:27:07] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 5 minutes and 43 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00209 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.03774 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L983[09:27:32] <The_St​argazer> now then
L984[09:27:33] <Forec​aster> that count is a lie because forge counts as like 3 mods or something
L985[09:27:35] <The_St​argazer> will it "boot"
L986[09:27:37] <The_St​argazer> yeah
L987[09:27:39] <The_St​argazer> MCP, Forge, FML
L988[09:27:47] <The_St​argazer> and Minecraft also counts as a mod
L989[09:27:51] <The_St​argazer> which is rather funny
L990[09:28:07] <The_St​argazer> the game is a mod for itself
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L992[09:29:47] <The_St​argazer> `Caused by: java.lang.SecurityException: class "paulscode.sound.codecs.CodecJOrbis"'s signer information does not match signer information of other classes in the same package`
L993[09:29:48] <The_St​argazer> java. please, kindly, don't do this.
L994[09:29:59] <The_St​argazer> is there a workaround
L995[09:30:21] <The_St​argazer> aside from removing the likely cause of failure NotEnoughCodecs
L996[09:32:28] <Forec​aster> hmr
L997[09:32:54] <The_St​argazer> java is big stupid most of times
L998[09:32:55] <Forec​aster> if you call Validate on a form field, would you expect that to care if the field is required or not, or do you want to validate it regardless of that...
L999[09:33:10] <Vexatos> hm
L1000[09:33:15] <The_St​argazer> is this more cursed PHP
L1001[09:34:16] <The_St​argazer> NotEnoughCodecs removed, problem fixed (?)
L1002[09:34:17] <Forec​aster> generic uses of the method makes me lean towards it caring about required, but maybe with a parameter to override it...
L1003[09:41:08] <Forec​aster> ... I did not expect this... http://tinyurl.com/y7sg7ybq
L1004[09:41:44] <The_St​argazer> that's whatcha get for using PHP
L1005[09:45:50] <Forec​aster> huh, it was some kind of fluke, probably related to previously submitted form data or something
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L1007[09:50:03] <The_St​argazer> well that's another pack revision mostly done
L1008[09:52:12] <The_St​argazer> also
L1009[09:52:26] <The_St​argazer> cheaper nether portals! http://tinyurl.com/y7rrs6q7
L1010[09:52:29] <The_St​argazer> also they can be on the floor now.
L1011[09:53:50] <The_St​argazer> I have just realized that this means that once you make a 4-block horizontal portal, since it generates the corners in the Nether, you get infinite free portals after one..
L1012[09:53:57] <The_St​argazer> really hope there's a config for that.
L1013[09:57:17] <Forec​aster> sounds like a terrible way to generate obsidian
L1014[09:57:27] <The_St​argazer> well, it's not a generator
L1015[09:57:32] <The_St​argazer> since you need 4 to make a portal
L1016[09:57:34] <The_St​argazer> and you get 4
L1017[09:57:41] <The_St​argazer> you aren't infinitely generating
L1018[09:57:46] <The_St​argazer> you're just making new portals for free
L1019[09:58:12] <Forec​aster> to what purpose?
L1020[09:58:25] <The_St​argazer> ¯\(ツ)/¯
L1021[09:59:04] <Forec​aster> oh... hm
L1022[09:59:32] <Forec​aster> I need to come up with some way to check if one of two fields are filled in, else error
L1023[09:59:41] <Forec​aster> as opposed to both or none being required
L1024[10:00:36] <The_St​argazer> this is hella cool ngl http://tinyurl.com/ycno9g2a
L1025[10:00:48] <Forec​aster> hm, I could simply pass the next field the previous one, and at the end if none validated then it should error
L1026[10:00:50] <The_St​argazer> that's debug view, supposed to be used for debugging i guess
L1027[10:04:47] <Klea​dron> The mod keeps both dimensions loaded at the same time?
L1028[10:05:32] <The_St​argazer> yea basically
L1029[10:05:40] <The_St​argazer> it removes the loading screen
L1030[10:05:52] <The_St​argazer> and basically removes the time between portals
L1031[10:06:09] <Klea​dron> that’s cool
L1032[10:06:24] <The_St​argazer> ikr
L1033[10:06:30] <The_St​argazer> also works with some mods
L1034[10:06:37] <The_St​argazer> e.g. twilight forest and aether legacy
L1035[10:07:19] <Klea​dron> I would assume they would work because they use generic dimension stuff
L1036[10:07:48] <The_St​argazer> it does cause "cascading worldgen lag" according to forge
L1037[10:08:07] <The_St​argazer> `Aether Legacy loaded a new chunk [-15, -42] in dimension 4 (AetherI) while populating chunk [-14, -41], causing cascading worldgen lag.` idk if this is just aether legacy being buggy tho
L1038[10:08:28] <The_St​argazer> Aether II for 1.12.2 is.. not complete sadly
L1039[10:32:18] <The_St​argazer> okay betterportals even works with entities
L1040[10:32:19] <The_St​argazer> this is cool.
L1041[10:33:38] <Forec​aster> why wouldn't it?
L1042[10:34:15] <The_St​argazer> ¯\(ツ)/¯
L1043[10:37:16] <The_St​argazer> wait
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L1049[10:37:32] <The_St​argazer> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/jigebedatu i hope this means what i think it means
L1050[10:37:56] <Forec​aster> I have never used that mod, what does it mean
L1051[10:38:02] <The_St​argazer> which
L1052[10:38:07] <The_St​argazer> the mod the snippet is from or DE
L1053[10:38:25] <The_St​argazer> if you mean DE:
L1054[10:38:33] <The_St​argazer> the chaos guardian does "chaos" damage
L1055[10:38:38] <The_St​argazer> which is basically ascended void damage
L1056[10:38:41] <Forec​aster> DE... the one mentioned in the snippet...
L1057[10:38:45] <The_St​argazer> oh, right
L1058[10:38:46] <The_St​argazer> then yea
L1059[10:38:49] <The_St​argazer> what I think this means is
L1060[10:38:52] <The_St​argazer> it blocks the chaos damage
L1061[10:38:54] <Forec​aster> I have literally no way of telling it's from a different mod
L1062[10:38:59] <The_St​argazer> which iirc can kill creative mode players
L1063[10:39:09] <The_St​argazer> this is from armourplus
L1064[10:39:11] <Forec​aster> that's stupid
L1065[10:39:13] <The_St​argazer> yes
L1066[10:39:15] <The_St​argazer> i know it is
L1067[10:39:24] <The_St​argazer> welcome to draconic evolution
L1068[10:39:54] <The_St​argazer> chaos islands are also spread apart by millions of blocks
L1069[10:40:02] <The_St​argazer> and you need to visit multiple for the reactor
L1070[10:40:07] <The_St​argazer> sound like fun yet?
L1071[10:40:22] <The_St​argazer> i'm thinking of giving the chaos shards a crafting recipe to bypass the needless grind
L1072[10:40:28] <Forec​aster> no
L1073[10:40:33] <The_St​argazer> why not?
L1074[10:40:48] <The_St​argazer> wait, no to what
L1075[10:40:48] <The_St​argazer> the crafting recipe or the "sound like fun" bit
L1076[10:40:53] <Forec​aster> I have no idea what "chaos islands" are
L1077[10:41:06] <The_St​argazer> they're from DE, where the aforementioned chaos guardian boss spawns
L1078[10:42:35] <The_St​argazer> Oh
L1079[10:42:43] <The_St​argazer> And also the chaos guardian can respawn the healing crystals apparently
L1080[10:42:50] <The_St​argazer> Yeah it's basically Ender Dragon 2: Hell Boogaloo
L1081[10:43:42] <The_St​argazer> Huh
L1082[10:43:47] <The_St​argazer> Apparently they're only 10000 blocks apart
L1083[11:16:15] <The_St​argazer> oh yeah also awakened draconium takes like an hour to craft and 64 million RF
L1084[11:16:15] <The_St​argazer> the RF requirement I can get but not taking an hour
L1085[11:16:20] <The_St​argazer> so I added a crafting recipe for it
L1086[11:29:43] <The_St​argazer> also
L1087[11:29:56] <The_St​argazer> >stable-ish fps with 150+ mods on semi-potato
L1088[11:29:58] <The_St​argazer> what is this madness
L1089[11:30:06] <The_St​argazer> above 10fps too
L1090[11:30:10] <The_St​argazer> might just be the flat world tho
L1091[11:32:29] <Forec​aster> flat worlds calm the mind
L1092[11:32:32] <Forec​aster> %sip
L1093[11:32:32] <MichiBot> You drink a shining rainbow potion (New!). Forec​aster gained one million tonk points.
L1094[11:32:52] <The_St​argazer> %tonk
L1095[11:32:52] <MichiBot> Fudge! The_St​argazer! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 2 hours, 5 minutes and 43 seconds (By 3 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1096[11:32:53] <MichiBot> The_Stargazer's new record is 2 hours, 5 minutes and 46 seconds! Position #9. Need 0.09986 more points to pass DaCompu​terNerd!
L1097[11:33:10] <Forec​aster> woo
L1098[11:33:13] <The_St​argazer> corded broke?
L1099[11:33:19] <The_St​argazer> %tonk
L1100[11:33:21] <The_St​argazer> oh
L1101[11:33:26] <Forec​aster> it seems the webhook is just being slow again
L1102[11:33:27] <The_St​argazer> HAHA WHAT
L1103[11:33:31] <The_St​argazer> three seconds
L1104[11:33:35] <The_St​argazer> close tonk
L1105[11:33:40] <Forec​aster> D:
L1106[11:33:44] <The_St​argazer> get tonk'd on
L1107[11:40:22] <The_St​argazer> asie: Preston appears to register compressed items (see image) but there's no way to make these and I don't see a config option; therefore: why does it do this? http://tinyurl.com/ycuf555o
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L1111[12:14:54] <The_St​argazer> +4 mods, nice
L1112[12:15:16] <The_St​argazer> supposed to be 6 (maybe mod count displayed was 188 before? idk)
L1113[12:15:37] <The_St​argazer> -2 mods also tho
L1114[12:15:42] <The_St​argazer> that might be it
L1115[12:16:15] <The_St​argazer> wearable backpacks only lasted a single revision
L1116[12:16:17] <The_St​argazer> big F
L1117[12:17:04] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check for downloaded IRCCloud Logs, and delete account
L1118[12:17:06] <The_St​argazer> AGSHBAH
L1119[12:17:10] <The_St​argazer> "invalid id"
L1120[12:17:15] <The_St​argazer> i thought JEID was supposed to fix this
L1121[12:17:22] <The_St​argazer> java.lang.RuntimeException: Invalid id 4096 - maximum id range exceeded.
L1122[12:17:24] <The_St​argazer> w h y
L1123[12:17:43] <The_St​argazer> or-- wait, did I remove JEID
L1124[12:21:03] <The_St​argazer> oh I don't think JEID was in there
L1125[12:21:57] <The_St​argazer> `java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.NoSuchFieldException: processor` well ok then
L1126[12:22:17] <Forec​aster> Finally found a new iron mine after I lost the first one!
L1127[12:22:36] <The_St​argazer> what game?
L1128[12:26:26] <Forec​aster> definitely not the one Discord says I'm playing about spacey engineering
L1129[12:27:22] <The_St​argazer> oh
L1130[12:27:27] <The_St​argazer> i forgot that exists :P
L1131[12:35:23] <Elfi> You lost a whole mine? Use GPS, you doof
L1132[12:36:33] <The_St​argazer> also I think corded needs a restart
L1133[12:36:39] <The_St​argazer> icons broke
L1134[12:37:30] <DaCompu​terNerd> Why bother, use my ridiculous over-the-top mining ship and dig the whole thing at once
L1135[12:37:32] <Forec​aster> I mined a bit of iron then got distracted by an unknown signal... and forgot to set a marker...
L1136[12:37:48] <Forec​aster> then I couldn't find it again
L1137[12:37:59] <The_St​argazer> ah, the "I forgot to set a waypoint" issue
L1138[12:38:08] <Elfi> You sound like me
L1139[12:38:18] <Elfi> "I SENSE LÄMP" *drops everything and zips over*
L1140[12:38:24] <Elfi> "hey where'd all my jetpack fuel go"
L1141[12:38:44] <The_St​argazer> oh, that reminds me
L1142[12:38:51] <The_St​argazer> Elfi: the ariricraft server reset
L1143[12:38:57] <Elfi> Oh?
L1144[12:38:59] <Elfi> Sadness.
L1145[12:39:10] <Elfi> Oh well, not the worst loss I've endured.
L1146[12:39:15] <The_St​argazer> new pack coming soon™️
L1147[12:39:22] <Elfi> The concept was pretty replicable anyway
L1148[12:39:43] <Elfi> Just requires Astral Sorcery for their marble, and that's not necessarily required, even
L1149[12:39:50] <Elfi> Plus it's been ages since I've been on =>=
L1150[12:40:09] <The_St​argazer> concept of what, the server?
L1151[12:40:37] <The_St​argazer> well, see
L1152[12:40:54] <The_St​argazer> that's uh
L1153[12:40:55] <The_St​argazer> been removed
L1154[12:40:55] <The_St​argazer> didn't realize you guys used it
L1155[12:42:01] <Elfi> yeee
L1156[12:42:47] <Elfi> I had actually built my place so far away because I wanted a high-resonance spot to work from, and... honestly I was lucky to even find one that close =>=
L1157[12:42:55] <The_St​argazer> do you uh
L1158[12:42:55] <The_St​argazer> want me to re-add it?
L1159[12:43:06] <Elfi> idk, depends on if I actually convince myself to boot up MC again
L1160[12:43:22] <The_St​argazer> high-resonance?
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L1162[12:43:46] <Elfi> An area with high starlight activity, as measured by a fosic resonator
L1163[12:43:53] <Elfi> All part of AS mechanics
L1164[12:44:15] <Elfi> but yeh, I could make do with just chisel or something if needs be
L1165[12:44:18] <The_St​argazer> oh
L1166[12:44:30] <Elfi> Architecturally, anywho
L1167[12:44:46] <The_St​argazer> oh
L1168[12:44:48] <The_St​argazer> Speaking of chisel
L1169[12:44:54] <The_St​argazer> we have even more chisel blocks now
L1170[12:45:09] <The_St​argazer> thanks to asie's Unlimited Chisel Works
L1171[12:45:50] <Elfi> If that doesn't have an awesome picture to go with it, I stg
L1172[12:46:04] <Elfi> asie is losing out on marketing potential
L1173[12:46:14] <The_St​argazer> there's a world download btw
L1174[12:46:24] <Elfi> Okie, more than I got for Castle Titania at leas
L1175[12:46:27] <Elfi> oh, actually
L1176[12:46:32] <Elfi> is Botania in?
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L1178[12:47:04] <Inari> .
L1179[12:47:12] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L1180[12:47:13] <MichiBot> You fling a warpy quicksilver potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. An Ocean dagger appears next to Amanda.
L1181[12:47:19] <Inari> D:
L1182[12:47:57] <Forec​aster> wet stabby
L1183[12:48:14] <Elfi> A knifefish
L1184[12:48:45] <The_St​argazer> it is
L1185[12:48:57] <The_St​argazer> botania is remaining\
L1186[12:49:06] <The_St​argazer> the new pack is essentially a fork of the old
L1187[12:51:14] <Elfi> Alrighty
L1188[12:51:27] <Elfi> I'll probably consider doing that instead, esp. if Twilight Forest is around
L1189[12:51:43] <Elfi> Just build a sprawling castle out of mass-manufactured fungal stone
L1190[12:52:02] <The_St​argazer> which it is
L1191[12:52:07] <Elfi> Coolbeans
L1192[12:52:34] <The_St​argazer> you could also base in one of TF's mushroom castles
L1193[12:52:39] <The_St​argazer> idk if they still exist tho
L1194[12:52:43] <The_St​argazer> they did in 1.7.10
L1195[12:52:49] <Elfi> I think they do but tbh I wanna build a purple castle more
L1196[12:53:31] <Elfi> On the dusk horizon stretched eternal, dare you brave the trials of FAIRY CASTLE TITANIA?
L1197[12:53:34] <The_St​argazer> alr, well, the new pack should be done in at most a week
L1198[12:53:41] <The_St​argazer> maybe at the very most 2 weeks
L1199[12:53:57] <Elfi> [CASTLEFAENIA, now on your favourite console]
L1200[12:54:15] <Inari> 🤔
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L1202[12:54:26] <Inari> Will fae your castle
L1203[12:54:29] <The_St​argazer> haha
L1204[12:54:35] <The_St​argazer> what about PC?
L1205[12:54:48] <The_St​argazer> PC <3
L1206[12:58:25] <Inari> PC?
L1207[13:00:14] <The_St​argazer> Steam, basically
L1208[13:01:56] <Elfi> Sure! But on pico8 or something probs.
L1209[13:03:18] <Inari> What are we even talking about
L1210[13:03:34] <Inari> Also
L1211[13:04:15] <The_St​argazer> pico-8 sounds like a CHIP-8 emulator but it's not
L1212[13:04:24] <Inari> Is there really no way to rotate an object around it's center unless I draw it completely centered on 0,0,0 in opengl?
L1213[13:04:49] <The_St​argazer> why do I know what that is?
L1214[13:04:53] <The_St​argazer> my friend m entioned it, once
L1215[13:09:26] <Forec​aster> Inari there's probably an offset somewhere
L1216[13:10:27] <Inari> Hrm
L1217[13:14:35] <t20kdc> Inari: there is a way to rotate an object around it's center: it's called... relativity!
L1218[13:14:58] <t20kdc> Inari: basically, all transformations relative to local 0, 0, 0
L1219[13:15:20] <t20kdc> Inari: however, through further translation and rotation, local 0, 0, 0 can be wherever you want it to be
L1220[13:15:41] <Inari> Hm I guess I need translate rotate translate
L1221[13:17:23] <t20kdc> Inari: yup! if your object has an origin and a separate local pivot, you need to translate by the origin, then the local pivot, rotate, then translate by the negated local pivot
L1222[13:17:26] <Inari> I wonder if theres a tutorial on writing physics engines somewhere. I get the idea of simple stuff like collisions. But more complex scenarios I never read anything about. Like if you have two cubes and one cube falls on the other, I get ho wto collide them and make them not intersect. But say one cube is offset a lot to the left, I don't know the best way to make it tip over
L1223[13:17:47] <Inari> t20kdc: I think it just confuses me how I have ot do all the stuff before drawing
L1224[13:17:54] <t20kdc> Inari: Collisions apply forces. Forces relative to centre of mass creates angular velocity
L1225[13:18:09] <Inari> hmm
L1226[13:18:10] <Inari> makes sense
L1227[13:18:16] <Inari> Figured it would be more complicated :P
L1228[13:18:41] <The_St​argazer> Inari: why write your own?
L1229[13:18:47] <The_St​argazer> there's probably a lib somewhere
L1230[13:19:03] <The_St​argazer> i mean, i have no idea what language this is
L1231[13:19:07] <Inari> Because by using a lib I still don't know how it works
L1232[13:19:08] <t20kdc> Inari: So if something is being forced down by gravity, and has to be pushed upwards, the centre of the contact area represents the origin of a force 'holding it up'
L1233[13:19:45] <The_St​argazer> Inari: Good point
L1234[13:20:03] <Inari> Depneds on the goal though
L1235[13:20:17] <Inari> In my case, I'm just curious how it works. If you just want to get something done it's probably better to use a premade one
L1236[13:21:53] <The_St​argazer> yeah, libs are good for doing serious stuff but not for taking thing apart
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L1238[13:37:27] <The_St​argazer> also, Inari: Ariri mentioned something about you using a cooking mod, is that correct?
L1239[13:37:39] <The_St​argazer> i wanna make sure I don't remove mods that people actually used
L1240[13:38:44] <Inari> No clue
L1241[13:39:27] <The_St​argazer> well, guess it'll stay removed then ¯\(ツ)/¯
L1242[13:39:43] <Inari> I've not been on the server for months, wouldn't exactly say I'm "using" anything
L1243[13:39:43] <Inari> :p
L1244[13:42:37] <The_St​argazer> oh, right
L1245[13:42:44] <The_St​argazer> well, did you use one?
L1246[13:43:54] <The_St​argazer> also: **j a r** http://tinyurl.com/ybmbl2p4
L1247[13:44:21] <Forec​aster> a jar of jars
L1248[13:44:24] <The_St​argazer> yes
L1249[13:44:53] <The_St​argazer> bonus challenge: figure out which mods have been added and removed, then list them as `+ MODNAME` for add, `- MODNAME` for removal
L1250[13:45:14] <Forec​aster> why would anyone do that
L1251[13:45:59] <The_St​argazer> internet points
L1252[13:46:15] <The_St​argazer> %tonk
L1253[13:46:15] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! The_St​argazer! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 5 minutes and 46 seconds (By 7 minutes and 36 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1254[13:46:16] <MichiBot> The_Stargazer's new record is 2 hours, 13 minutes and 23 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00013 x 3 = 0.00039)
L1255[13:46:26] <The_St​argazer> the same logic applies to tonk :P
L1256[13:46:33] <The_St​argazer> also: webhook slow
L1257[13:47:01] <The_St​argazer> darn, shoulda tonkedout
L1258[13:47:09] <The_St​argazer> still, atleast i still hold the record
L1259[13:47:20] <Izaya> unix tools would be good at providing a diff like that
L1260[13:47:22] <The_St​argazer> wonder what the longest tonk record is?
L1261[13:47:27] <Izaya> you could just process out the version numbers
L1262[13:47:36] <Izaya> run diff
L1263[13:47:38] <Izaya> ez
L1264[13:48:05] <Forec​aster> an insane amount from before it reset
L1265[13:48:12] <Izaya> https://weeaboo.space/media/348e4c00d1f8601d4ed19e4cce72780b5b170192ce6b24310f3b7ffe82be7f3b.png
L1266[13:48:48] <The_St​argazer> what's this
L1267[13:49:08] <The_St​argazer> good or bad CSS
L1268[13:50:33] <Inari> @The_Stargazer no clue either :p
L1269[13:50:54] <The_St​argazer> Izaya: is this good, is this bad?
L1270[13:51:06] <The_St​argazer> Inari: well then
L1271[13:51:10] <The_St​argazer> it's staying in the mod pit
L1272[13:51:13] <The_St​argazer> aka
L1273[13:51:17] <The_St​argazer> recycle bin that never gets emptied
L1274[13:51:19] <The_St​argazer> ever
L1275[13:51:32] <The_St​argazer> it's almost like my downloads folder
L1276[13:53:36] <Inari> Cooking mods tend to have the issue that theres little point in using them
L1277[13:53:41] <Inari> So once the novelty wears off you barely do
L1278[13:55:45] <The_St​argazer> yeah
L1279[13:55:56] <The_St​argazer> i lived off of baguettes
L1280[13:57:18] <The_St​argazer> lived? lave?
L1281[13:57:52] <The_St​argazer> MMMMM
L1282[13:58:01] <The_St​argazer> don't you LOVE it when your download fails halfway through
L1283[13:58:08] <The_St​argazer> forcing you to restart it
L1284[13:58:32] <The_St​argazer> ..apparently "lave" means "to wash", TIL.
L1285[13:59:29] <Inari> %splash @The_Stargazer
L1286[13:59:29] <MichiBot> You fling a warpy naqahdah potion (New!) that splashes onto @The_Stargazer. @The_Stargazer has a feeling that their face just appeared on a random vegetable somewhere.
L1287[14:00:19] <The_St​argazer> Bad Inari!
L1288[14:00:20] <The_St​argazer> %loot Inari
L1289[14:00:21] <MichiBot> The_St​​argazer: You stab Inari! It dropped a shiny metal posterior. (Junk)!
L1290[14:00:28] <The_St​argazer> ..aw.
L1291[14:00:44] <The_St​argazer> disappointed
L1292[14:00:52] <The_St​argazer> oh, nvm
L1293[14:00:59] <The_St​argazer> just a slow webhook
L1294[14:01:18] <Inari> You're a slow webhook
L1295[14:01:55] <Lizzy> %tonk
L1296[14:01:56] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Lizzy, you were not able to beat The_Stargazer's record of 2 hours, 13 minutes and 23 seconds this time. 15 minutes and 40 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 57 minutes and 42 seconds!
L1297[14:01:56] <The_St​argazer> D:
L1298[14:02:11] <Lizzy> :<
L1299[14:02:14] <Lizzy> oh
L1300[14:02:18] <Lizzy> oh well
L1301[14:02:31] <The_St​argazer> ha
L1302[14:02:35] <The_St​argazer> get tonk'd
L1303[14:02:46] <The_St​argazer> also corded broke'd
L1304[14:02:53] <Amanda> %stab Inari
L1305[14:02:53] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is stabbing In​ari with baka site for 1d4 => 1 damage! Baka site was shiny enough to be claimed by a dragon.
L1306[14:02:54] <The_St​argazer> everyone is blue discord webhook
L1307[14:04:16] <Forec​aster> you should have used the dagger you got though >:
L1308[14:04:27] <The_St​argazer> it's a water dagger
L1309[14:04:28] <Amanda> I forgot that was an option
L1310[14:04:29] <Lizzy> %stab @The_Stargazer
L1311[14:04:29] <MichiBot> Li​zzy is stabbing @The_Stargazer with an encrypted .zip for 1d4 => 1 damage! The encrypted .zip miscalculated and teleported into space.
L1312[14:04:32] <Amanda> That can be fixed though
L1313[14:04:49] <Amanda> %stab Inari again with the ocean dagger
L1314[14:04:49] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is stabbing In​ari again with the ocean dagger for 1d4 => 4 damage!
L1315[14:05:01] <The_St​argazer> ow
L1316[14:05:09] <The_St​argazer> %inv add unencrypted .zip
L1317[14:05:09] * MichiBot summons 'unencrypted .zip' and adds to her inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1318[14:05:48] <The_St​argazer> i think the fix for the corded issue is to, uh, perform the highly technical process of turning it off and on again
L1319[14:05:58] <The_St​argazer> (corded needs restart)
L1320[14:07:59] <Inari> D:
L1321[14:08:00] <Inari> So rude
L1322[14:10:14] <The_St​argazer> Huh
L1323[14:10:25] <The_St​argazer> The `ls` that comes with Git for Windows is actually inferior to `dir
L1324[14:10:36] <The_St​argazer> at least, by default
L1325[14:10:47] <The_St​argazer> it just dumps the filenames and dir names in un-clean output
L1326[14:15:24] <Amanda> That's just what ls does by default, so you can pipe it into something else, or use it in another shell command. If you want detailed output, do `ls -l`
L1327[14:16:15] <The_St​argazer> nice
L1328[14:16:26] <The_St​argazer> now only if it didn't show Windows-style hidden files..
L1329[14:17:19] <Izaya> "inferior"c
L1330[14:17:31] <Izaya> counter-point: it's easier to process the output of ls
L1331[14:19:06] <The_St​argazer> maybe so, but what if you just want a directory listing?
L1332[14:19:22] <Izaya> ls -l
L1333[14:20:04] <Izaya> though
L1334[14:20:08] <The_St​argazer> i know :P
L1335[14:20:08] <The_St​argazer> see amanda's helpful response
L1336[14:20:10] <Izaya> GNU ls has --color=auto
L1337[14:20:42] <Izaya> you can get a lot of information from just colours - though their flag is misspelled - and that auto-detects whether it's talking to a real terminal
L1338[14:21:08] <The_St​argazer> indeed
L1339[14:21:12] <The_St​argazer> this is GNU ls
L1340[14:21:27] <Izaya> add alias ls='ls --color=auto' to your bashrc ig
L1341[14:21:28] <The_St​argazer> or, slightly modified
L1342[14:24:48] <B​ob> can i get the upgrades of a robot
L1343[14:25:01] <The_St​argazer> this isn't bash tho
L1344[14:25:11] <The_St​argazer> it's Git for Windows ls
L1345[14:25:16] <The_St​argazer> which is basically gnu ls
L1346[14:25:25] <Izaya> ... running from git for windows bash?
L1347[14:25:53] <The_St​argazer> it's basically: "what if you took bits of Linux and shoved them into Windows?"
L1348[14:25:53] <The_St​argazer> the result is a slightly-less-shit system
L1349[14:25:55] <The_St​argazer> no
L1350[14:25:57] <The_St​argazer> from regular cmd
L1351[14:28:44] <Amanda> I'm pretty sure launching the shortcut it installs launches a ported bash
L1352[14:29:06] <Amanda> try running `echo $SHELL`
L1353[14:30:21] <The_St​argazer> it just echos `$SHELL`
L1354[14:30:28] <The_St​argazer> http://tinyurl.com/y7b4fr4s
L1355[14:30:38] <Izaya> why would you use cmd if you have bash installed
L1356[14:30:53] <Izaya> also neat the uBO page for blocked sites changed
L1357[14:31:21] <The_St​argazer> i can type Win-R-cmd fast
L1358[14:32:02] <The_St​argazer> Win-R-bash takes an extra half-second or so to type and another half-second to load
L1359[14:33:01] <Izaya> was about to say xbindkeys
L1360[14:33:03] <Izaya> but uh
L1361[14:33:05] <Izaya> yeah
L1362[14:33:36] <The_St​argazer> autohotkey?
L1363[14:33:44] <The_St​argazer> still, even if i can launch it fast
L1364[14:33:48] <The_St​argazer> it takes ~0.5s to load
L1365[14:34:11] <The_St​argazer> and is actually slower
L1366[14:35:26] <The_St​argazer> so this is the one time a Windows utility wins over a Linux one
L1367[14:35:49] <The_St​argazer> also: bash is more suited for larger tasks
L1368[14:36:03] <The_St​argazer> i normally just open cmd to clear my clipboard with `echo off | clip`
L1369[14:37:44] <The_St​argazer> well, o/
L1370[14:43:37] <Amanda> It wins because it has to emulate a lot of POSIX stuff that Windows just doesn't bother having
L1371[14:43:47] <Amanda> er,because it doesn't have to*
L1372[14:45:02] <The_St​argazer> what, cmd?
L1373[14:45:06] <Amanda> yes
L1374[14:45:22] <Amanda> and air-quote "win"
L1375[14:45:41] <The_St​argazer> makes sense
L1376[14:46:03] <The_St​argazer> it wins for my use-cases
L1377[15:12:25] <Inari> %pet Amanda
L1378[15:12:26] <MichiBot> Inari is petting Amanda with 617 pounds of MySQL queries. Amanda regains 1d4 => 1 hit points! A bug was found in 617 pounds of MySQL queries and it was decommissioned.
L1379[15:12:35] <Inari> heh
L1380[15:15:58] <Inari> Thats 10^23 bytes of mysql queries
L1381[15:16:02] <DaCompu​terNerd> lol
L1382[15:16:13] <DaCompu​terNerd> unsurprising
L1383[15:16:34] <DaCompu​terNerd> depends on the format
L1384[15:16:45] <Inari> so 100k exabytes
L1385[15:17:12] <Inari> Well I just went by a google search that estimates a byte of digital data to weigh 1 attogram
L1386[15:17:12] <Inari> :p
L1387[15:18:10] <DaCompu​terNerd> what is it if printed out on paper that weighs 24 pounds per ream in default Microsoft Word formatting
L1388[15:19:00] <DaCompu​terNerd> i dont have microsoft word so idk how many characters per page it is
L1389[15:19:08] <DaCompu​terNerd> what is it if printed out on paper that weighs 24 pounds per ream in default Microsoft Word formatting, double sided [Edited]
L1390[15:19:20] <Inari> Will print you on gold paper
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L1392[15:19:56] <DaCompu​terNerd> i did say 24 pounds per ream
L1393[15:20:04] <Forec​aster> Will Print, the distant cousin of Will Smith
L1394[15:20:28] <DaCompu​terNerd> i guess default but in a monospace font so it's not dependent on what the data is
L1395[15:20:39] <DaCompu​terNerd> Consolas
L1396[15:20:40] <DaCompu​terNerd> there we go
L1397[15:21:37] <DaCompu​terNerd> a google search says 3000 characters per page
L1398[15:21:46] <DaCompu​terNerd> generally in code it'll be ascii code so that's 3000 bytes per page
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L1400[15:22:14] * AmandaC_ bats at Comcast
L1401[15:22:25] <DaCompu​terNerd> the weight gives 12855 pages
L1402[15:22:27] ⇦ Quits: Amanda (~quassel@c-73-165-85-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 204 seconds)
L1403[15:22:31] <Inari> rip
L1404[15:22:32] *** AmandaC_ is now known as Amanda
L1405[15:22:35] <DaCompu​terNerd> well 12854
L1406[15:22:38] <DaCompu​terNerd> rounds down
L1407[15:22:46] <Inari> AmandaC: you should use ns regain :D
L1408[15:24:01] <DaCompu​terNerd> so in this format 617 pounds is 38.562MB of queries
L1409[15:24:15] ⇦ Quits: AmandaC (~quassel@c-73-165-85-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 189 seconds)
L1410[15:24:21] <Inari> heh
L1411[15:29:31] <Amanda> Inari: I'll set it up someday
L1412[15:30:16] * Inari sets Amanda up
L1413[15:31:03] <Amanda> rude.
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L1415[15:41:39] <Inari> %sip
L1416[15:41:40] <MichiBot> You drink a cloudy currentcorn potion (New!). Inari's skin turn the color of dilithium but with a Cyan glow for 43 minutes.
L1417[15:41:47] <Inari> Neat
L1418[15:41:47] <AmandaC> ffs.
L1419[15:41:54] <AmandaC> %stab Comcast
L1420[15:41:54] <MichiBot> Ama​ndaC is stabbing Comcast with Anything for 1d4 => 3 damage! Anything is eaten by a Grue.
L1421[15:42:00] <Inari> Your internet seems broken
L1422[15:42:05] <AmandaC> indeed.
L1423[15:43:30] ⇦ Quits: Amanda (~quassel@c-73-165-85-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 189 seconds)
L1424[15:46:45] <AmandaC> "He was as happy to help as his choice was volentary"
L1425[15:47:05] <Inari> Heh
L1426[15:51:10] *** AmandaC is now known as Amanda
L1427[16:11:00] <Inari> %fling at Amanda
L1428[16:11:02] <MichiBot> In​ari flings at Ama​nda in a random direction. It hits brand​on3055 right in their lunch. They take 1d4 => 1 damage!
L1429[16:11:07] <Inari> Still not fixed, eh D:
L1430[16:11:16] <Inari> %help fling
L1431[16:12:34] <Forec​aster> fixing it involves either re-introducing the old bug or replacing the matching with regex
L1432[16:12:38] <Forec​aster> and I've been busy
L1433[16:12:45] <Inari> I see
L1434[16:15:43] <Forec​aster> heh, I figured out where the error message spam came from earlier today
L1435[16:16:51] <Forec​aster> when I test stuff in my test file messages get added to the queue, but the test page never displays them or clears the queue, then when I go to a proper page and reloads it it displays all the queued messages and then clears the queue
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L1437[16:32:34] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Webhooks seem a bit borked.
L1438[16:32:54] <Brisingr​Aerowing> I'm getting no profile pictures for IRC users.
L1439[16:33:18] <Brisingr​Aerowing> It might be discord's android app.
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L1441[16:33:51] <Forec​aster> Nope, it's the webhook
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L1445[17:02:29] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> time to investigate a stupid idea
L1446[17:04:11] <Ar​iri> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/fleet-carriers-update-beta-blowout.545392/
L1447[17:06:28] <Forec​aster> ooh it started
L1448[17:06:39] <Forec​aster> didn't expect today to be the day but okay
L1449[17:07:38] <Forec​aster> I might stream trying that out tomorrow night
L1450[17:09:56] <SquidDev> %tonk
L1451[17:09:56] <MichiBot> Consarn it! Squi​dDev! You beat The_St​argazer's previous record of 2 hours, 13 minutes and 23 seconds (By 54 minutes and 37 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1452[17:09:57] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new record is 3 hours and 8 minutes! SquidDev also gained 0.00273 (0.00091 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.10235 more points to pass Li​zzy!
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L1454[18:08:02] <Michiyo> %p
L1455[18:08:04] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mic​hiyo 0.43s
L1456[18:13:43] <Brisingr​Aerowing> %sip
L1457[18:13:44] <MichiBot> You drink a sour violium potion (New!). The bottle turns into a sky dagger.
L1458[18:14:07] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Well, another wacky weapon for my arsenal.
L1459[18:14:18] <Brisingr​Aerowing> %loot
L1460[18:14:18] <MichiBot> Brisingr​​Aerowing: You get a loot box! It contains a Magic furai furai furai! (25%) (25%)
L1461[18:14:28] <Brisingr​Aerowing> A what now?
L1462[18:20:58] <Michiyo> a Magic furai furai furai!
L1463[18:27:06] <Inari> @BrisingrAerowing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwLOBKphxPs (esp. 43 seconds in)
L1464[18:27:07] <MichiBot> 【パイのパイのパイ】大正野球娘。【東京節】 | length: 1m 27s | Likes: 466 Dislikes: 11 Views: 61,561 | by wk wk | Published On 12/11/2016
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L1467[18:35:40] <Ar​iri> It deserves more likes
L1468[18:35:52] <Inari> https://twitter.com/susse/status/1261803348816211968 precious lil pigs
L1469[18:35:52] <MichiBot> Sat May 16 18:38:56 CDT 2020 @susse: atenção para o video definitivo pra se sentir bem na quarentena <https://t.co/2hsbdyFK6V&gt;
L1470[18:36:46] <Forec​aster> > `An array of class names that get added to the table class property.`
L1471[18:36:46] <Forec​aster> What... what did past me mean by that... :|
L1472[18:37:34] <Inari> Past you probably went "Does this make sense? Ehhhh, thats an issue for future me"
L1473[18:37:53] <Forec​aster> pretty sure it made sense at the time when I knew what it did
L1474[18:37:54] <Forec​aster> :P
L1475[18:38:32] <Forec​aster> OH
L1476[18:38:36] <Forec​aster> css classes
L1477[18:38:41] <Forec​aster> right
L1478[18:38:51] <Forec​aster> should probably make that more specific
L1479[18:44:05] <DaCompu​terNerd> that's a problem for future you
L1480[18:44:13] <Inari> Why are eyeballs white
L1481[18:44:22] <Forec​aster> well I already fixed it :P
L1482[18:44:35] <Forec​aster> had to re-write the docs anyway cause I updated the method
L1483[18:45:12] <Forec​aster> back when I wrote this thing I wasn't aware of the much superior option argument rather than having ton of arguments
L1484[18:47:37] <Forec​aster> now the next problem... the table is generated via the database class, so it doesn't have all the options the table class does... I need to do something about that
L1485[18:48:45] <Forec​aster> hm, rather than just calling a method on the database collection that spits out a table, it should just provide a collection of rows, then I can set the table up normally which would give me those options
L1486[18:49:27] <Forec​aster> gonna have to deprecate this method and add a new one to avoid outright breaking a bunch of stuff until I can get to and update them
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L1488[19:07:55] <Forec​aster> Inari: Because they're mostly made out of white stuff?
L1489[19:20:19] <Ocawes​ome101> @Saghetti I believe someone here was/is working on trotwood as a mainframe OS, also psychOS has multiterminal (Monolith will, and also has multiuser)
L1490[19:20:27] <Ocawes​ome101> %tonk
L1491[19:20:28] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Ocawesome101, you were not able to beat SquidDev's record of 3 hours and 8 minutes this time. 2 hours, 10 minutes and 31 seconds were wasted! Missed by 57 minutes and 28 seconds!
L1492[19:20:34] <Ocawes​ome101> Dangit
L1493[19:21:12] <Inari> %sip
L1494[19:21:13] <MichiBot> You drink a mutable aluminium potion (New!). Inari turns into a frog girl until they see a unicorn.
L1495[19:21:22] <Inari> @Forecaster :p
L1496[19:37:17] <Forec​aster> "The bee management sim `Hive Time`"
L1497[19:37:19] <Forec​aster> well alright
L1498[19:37:46] <Inari> I bet it's the bee's knees
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L1500[19:47:25] <Forec​aster> it seems detour worthy
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L1502[19:49:49] <Inari> @Forecaster what about https://store.steampowered.com/app/1049890/Little_Witch_Nobeta/ ?
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L1508[20:09:01] <Forec​aster> I will have a look at that later I suppose
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L1510[20:21:37] <ven000m> Hey guys, is there any Zip file available "ready to extract and upload to a linux server" of ComputerCraft (1.12.2)
L1511[20:21:51] <ven000m> That i just need to upload to my server and boom, it is all configured.
L1512[20:22:15] <pay​onel> 1. this is oc, not cc
L1513[20:22:31] <pay​onel> 2. it's really just easier to grab forge, install it, and add the mod you wants to mods/
L1514[20:22:55] <pay​onel> download the forge installer from here: http://files.minecraftforge.net/
L1515[20:23:01] <ven000m> ok
L1516[20:23:15] <pay​onel> and oc from here https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/opencomputers/files
L1517[20:23:15] <pay​onel> or dev builds from here: https://ci.cil.li/
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L1519[20:23:33] <pay​onel> for cc, https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/computercraft
L1520[20:24:32] <ven000m> im planning to use the server to manage my smart home stuff
L1521[20:24:39] <ven000m> with PHP scripts (HTTP/HTTPS) links
L1522[20:24:46] <ven000m> would you recommend OC or CC?
L1523[20:25:06] <pay​onel> i'm the oc dev, so i recommend oc 🙂
L1524[20:25:16] <pay​onel> SquidDev might recommend cc
L1525[20:25:21] <ven000m> back in 1.8, i also used OC
L1526[20:26:11] <ven000m> great! :)
L1527[20:27:06] <Kristo​pher38> Imagine doing recreation of your house in minecraft and when you flip the switch to turn the lights off, the lights in real life also turn off
L1528[20:27:18] <ven000m> thats my plan.
L1529[20:28:08] <ven000m> whats the JAVA version that you recommend @Corded @payonel ?
L1530[20:28:44] <Kristo​pher38> %corded
L1531[20:28:44] <MichiBot> Kristo​​pher38: Cor​ded is a relay between IRC and Discord. The user talking is between the <>
L1532[20:29:54] <payonel> we're limited on the java jdk we can use when we build the mod, but as a user, just use latest+stable and you'll be fine
L1533[20:31:04] <DaCompu​terNerd> i wonder how much more efficient MineOS could be with the new GPU changes
L1534[20:33:43] <DaCompu​terNerd> on that note, I assume the smaller the region in a bitblt() call, the lower the cost will be?
L1535[20:33:43] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel now the cost to blit a full-size a dirty buffer is the cost of writing 50 (or whatever the maximum vertical resolution of the gpu is) lines to the screen, right?
L1536[20:33:50] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel now the cost to blit a full-size dirty buffer is the cost of writing 50 (or whatever the maximum vertical resolution of the gpu is) lines to the screen, right? [Edited]
L1537[20:34:05] <pay​onel> i think so
L1538[20:34:07] <pay​onel> that sounds right
L1539[20:34:11] <ven000m> Is that a server version? O_O http://files.minecraftforge.net/maven/net/minecraftforge/forge/index_1.12.2.html
L1540[20:34:43] <Kristo​pher38> and setForeground and setBackground are supposed to be free in vram if everything goes according to plan?
L1541[20:34:51] <pay​onel> um, yes
L1542[20:35:06] <pay​onel> i have the solution for that plan, but i need to review the impact
L1543[20:38:25] <Kristo​pher38> @DaComputerNerd it will get a boost when they do a dumb switch to using hardware buffers
L1544[20:38:50] <ven000m> @payonel, http://code.capsload.it/#-M7na08on02bIiCciUhH :(
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L1546[20:39:10] <Kristo​pher38> but their gui system relies on their double buffering library which isn't writtent with hardware buffers in mind
L1547[20:40:10] <Kristo​pher38> they could get a significant boost if their gui was based on mostly-unchanging hardware buffers
L1548[20:40:26] <Kristo​pher38> but it'd have to be designed with those in mind I'd say
L1549[20:42:11] <Kristo​pher38> they'll probably improve the double buffering lib to use hardware buffers after the feature comes out officially
L1550[20:42:24] <payonel> ven000m: how did you install it
L1551[20:43:04] <ven000m> i just downloaded the forge.jar into the folder
L1552[20:44:04] <payonel> uh huh, then?
L1553[20:44:16] <payonel> what did you download exactly?
L1554[20:44:20] <payonel> specifically
L1555[20:44:52] <ven000m> https://files.minecraftforge.net/maven/net/minecraftforge/forge/1.12.2-14.23.5.2854/forge-1.12.2-14.23.5.2854-universal.jar
L1556[20:44:56] <payonel> did you download the "forge installer" like i said?
L1557[20:45:04] <payonel> nope, that's not the "forge installer"
L1558[20:45:44] <ven000m> ok, downloading the installer then ;P
L1559[20:46:21] <payonel> then `java -jar forgeinstaller.jar --installServer`
L1560[20:46:55] <payonel> that just downloads some needed libs to your current dir
L1561[20:47:04] <ven000m> alright! thank you very much
L1562[20:47:06] <payonel> it's not bloatware in random secret places on your system
L1563[20:53:45] <payonel> the next rollout of these features, and a few other things i have planned, i think makes for an official 1.8 update
L1564[20:54:05] <payonel> my backlog for 1.8 is pretty big, so it isn't that soon
L1565[20:54:27] <payonel> BUT, one thing i would like to improve with this update include a tiny change, that openos /home dir always rw
L1566[20:54:38] <payonel> on boot, i can check if /home is ro, and if so, mount /home on tmpfs
L1567[20:54:47] <payonel> i need opinions on this matter - thanks
L1568[20:57:37] <Brisingr​Aerowing> https://reddit.com/r/maybemaybemaybe/comments/gn79rv/maybe_maybe_maybe/
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L1570[20:57:44] <Mr_Cre​eper543> Dose anyone know any good yt tutorial sires for Lua for OC? I've looked but can't find anything for OC, only CC
L1571[20:58:08] <Mr_Cre​eper543> Dose anyone know any good yt tutorial series for Lua for OC? I've looked but can't find anything for OC, only CC [Edited]
L1572[20:58:12] <pay​onel> @Mr_Creeper543 there is a 85% chance i'll be doing a survival series focusing on OC
L1573[20:58:22] <Amanda> payonel: alsomake the installer stop nuking rc.cfg and .shrc
L1574[20:58:22] <pay​onel> in which i'll be doing my lua coding as well
L1575[20:58:41] <pay​onel> amanda: word
L1576[20:58:51] <pay​onel> also, remove `-i` from cp alias? 🙂
L1577[20:58:58] <pay​onel> muahaha
L1578[20:59:45] <ven000m> Eww, http://code.capsload.it/#-M7nepyzmNSkiihBQ5RG @payonel
L1579[21:00:06] <Mr_Cre​eper543> So, until then, how do I learn Lua? I know basic normal Lua, but I don't know the specific libs and commands for OC
L1580[21:00:24] <Amanda> ven000m: you need java8 for modded MC
L1581[21:00:59] <pay​onel> oh i was wrong? i thought to run as a user you could use a more updated java version
L1582[21:01:08] <pay​onel> i thought java 8 rule was just a jdk issue for building the jar
L1583[21:01:24] <payonel> ven000m: sorry i have no idea what i'm talking about
L1584[21:01:26] <payonel> i dont java
L1585[21:01:37] <Amanda> @payonel java9 changed the package semantics, and in doing so changed the default classloader, which breaks MC
L1586[21:02:01] <ven000m> Im doing apt-get install oracle-java8-installer @Amanda right? ;P
L1587[21:02:08] <CompanionCube> isn't 'changed the package semantics' an understatement
L1588[21:02:19] <CompanionCube> java9 is a whole new system for packages/modules
L1589[21:02:36] <Izaya> I'd suggest OpenJDK or OpenJ9 tbh
L1590[21:02:38] <Amanda> CompanionCube: True, but it;s not polite to say "Took them out back and shot them, then necromanced them back" in polite company
L1591[21:02:39] <CompanionCube> also, re lua: https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html
L1592[21:03:08] <Izaya> (OpenJ9 is neat - Java 8 with some performance enhancements from java 9)
L1593[21:03:26] <payonel> so they can break the classloader junk, but thor forbid, they can't add reification because that'd break java 1
L1594[21:03:29] <payonel> or some crap like that
L1595[21:03:40] <Amanda> ven000m: what version of debian / ubuntu are you using?Is the system clockaccurate? Those SSL errors shouldn't happen
L1596[21:03:42] <ven000m> The server installed successfully, you should now be able to run the file forge
L1597[21:03:42] <ven000m> You can delete this installer file now if you wish
L1598[21:03:44] <ven000m> worked @Amanada
L1599[21:03:54] <ven000m> I used Java 8
L1600[21:04:00] <Amanda> huh
L1601[21:04:01] <CompanionCube> Izaya: btw, did you see on EA, shock-and-horror, actually doing something very good for once?
L1602[21:04:03] <Amanda> weird
L1603[21:04:13] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I haven't consumed news in like
L1604[21:04:15] <Izaya> 5 days
L1605[21:04:24] <CompanionCube> https://www.reddit.com/r/commandandconquer/comments/gnevp8/remaster_update_and_open_source_mod_support/?sort=top
L1606[21:04:26] <Amanda> CompanionCube: which random charity did they donate 10,000$ to now, then spend millions boastng about?
L1607[21:04:27] <Izaya> dequbed got me hooked on stellaris and I've done nothing with my waking hours but play
L1608[21:04:43] <CompanionCube> i should play stellaris at one point
L1609[21:04:49] <Amanda> It's fin
L1610[21:04:50] <Amanda> fun*
L1611[21:05:07] <Amanda> Maybe I should further the galactic war between the catopia's and the foxes
L1612[21:05:08] <CompanionCube> it'd go well with my playing of CK2/EU4/HOI4 and eventually CK3
L1613[21:05:40] <Izaya> I have abused research stacking to become the senate
L1614[21:05:44] <Izaya> would recommend, good fun
L1615[21:05:44] <CompanionCube> but tl;dr: 'Today we are proud to announce that alongside the launch of the Remastered Collection, Electronic Arts will be releasing the TiberianDawn.dll and RedAlert.dll and their corresponding source code under the GPL version 3.0 license.
L1616[21:05:54] <Izaya> whoa
L1617[21:06:01] <Izaya> GPL too
L1618[21:06:08] <Izaya> I'd expect a CDDL or MIT
L1619[21:06:12] <CompanionCube> also a map editor, mods and stuff like that
L1620[21:06:15] <Izaya> even a GPLv2
L1621[21:06:18] <Amanda> nice
L1622[21:06:31] <CompanionCube> Izaya: lol why would anyone use CDDL for anything new
L1623[21:06:36] <Amanda> %choose waves or mushrooms
L1624[21:06:36] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I sense some "mushrooms" in your future!
L1625[21:06:45] <Amanda> %choose waves now then?
L1626[21:06:45] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Yes! Do it now!
L1627[21:08:22] <CompanionCube> even if they wanted to be gpl-incompatible out of spite, no need to choose the CDDL, just use MPL2's optional 'incompatible with secondary licenses' clause.
L1628[21:09:29] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel I think /home being ro makes for a nice uninteded feature - it reminds users that they need to install the OS to the hard drive, it would be bad if somebody forgot to install, then made a script and after reboot it would be gone. Think of it as a protection for newbies
L1629[21:10:11] <Izaya> CompanionCube: if not CDDL then something similarly obnoxious
L1630[21:10:39] <CompanionCube> like what i described above?
L1631[21:10:48] <Ocawes​ome101> tfw you have 9.9GB of RAM free on your 4GB laptop
L1632[21:11:04] <Izaya> something "we can call this open source but really it's look but don't touch and/or you can't compete, only contribute"
L1633[21:11:10] <CompanionCube> (or hell, the MPL 1.1, the license from which the CDDL was originally derived, but that's even more obsolete)
L1634[21:11:13] <Izaya> like Thermal Expansion
L1635[21:11:28] <CompanionCube> but you *can't* call that open-source per OSD, no?
L1636[21:11:43] <pay​onel> @Kristopher38 that's precisely why i'm getting opinions
L1637[21:12:00] <pay​onel> instead what i see is a lot of confused youtube let's plays, and questions about "why can't i edit a file"
L1638[21:12:04] <Izaya> did that ever stop anyone
L1639[21:12:33] <Kristo​pher38> @Mr_Creeper543 check out various the APIs https://ocdoc.cil.li/api especially component API, you'll be working with components (devices that are available to lua scripts for manipulation)
L1640[21:12:40] <Kristo​pher38> @Mr_Creeper543 check out various APIs https://ocdoc.cil.li/api especially component API, you'll be working with components (devices that are available to lua scripts for manipulation) [Edited]
L1641[21:13:02] <CompanionCube> Izaya: iirc some cloud vendors are making a go at it, success is mixed i think?
L1642[21:13:17] <Ocawes​ome101> does magi6k still hang out here?
L1643[21:13:46] <CompanionCube> even though OSI isn't playing ball because the 'field of endeavour' clause does in fact exist.
L1644[21:14:21] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel if the user boots off of a floppy, you can either display a warning that the changes the user makes won't be saved after reboot, or display an info that the user should first install the OS is he/she wishes to make changes
L1645[21:14:28] <payonel> %seen Magi6k
L1646[21:14:28] <MichiBot> Magi6k has not been seen
L1647[21:14:40] <payonel> %seen Magi9k
L1648[21:14:40] <MichiBot> Magi9k has not been seen
L1649[21:14:42] <payonel> :)
L1650[21:14:47] <Ocawes​ome101> :O
L1651[21:15:02] <Ocawes​ome101> last p9k commit was in 2017 afaict
L1652[21:15:04] <Izaya> if root is ro, make motd display a warning and suggest that they might need to install?
L1653[21:15:25] <Kristo​pher38> Yeah, something like that, with big angry letters :D
L1654[21:15:31] <payonel> @Kristopher38 btw, reboot doesn't clear tmpfs by default. only poweroff
L1655[21:16:08] <Kristo​pher38> reboot as in calling some reboot function?
L1656[21:16:28] <Amanda> computer.shutdown(true)
L1657[21:16:29] <payonel> yeah `> reboot` from the shell, or `computer.shutdown(true)`
L1658[21:16:52] <Amanda> that reminds me.
L1659[21:17:04] <Z0id​burg> Izaya:
L1660[21:17:18] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> talking about mods
L1661[21:17:20] <Amanda> Izaya: `shutil.shutdown = computer.shutdown` in shutil.lua -- thoughts?
L1662[21:17:21] <Z0id​burg> http://tinyurl.com/y7b2ht2s
L1663[21:17:33] <Ocawes​ome101> interesting, UTF-8 was actually developed for Plan 9
L1664[21:17:34] <Z0id​burg> Got a new headlight bulb for my new vehicle
L1665[21:17:47] <Forec​aster> The crystal prism of Azacath!
L1666[21:18:52] <Izaya> Amanda: seems like a reasonable idea
L1667[21:20:55] <Amanda> Izaya: also, I figured out why my todo program in CPIO doesn't fit in tmpfs... it's uh... 24k total for the todo and lilac-server together.
L1668[21:21:10] <Izaya> :D
L1669[21:21:15] <Amanda> total cpio file is 106k
L1670[21:21:27] <Ocawes​ome101> lzss i
L1671[21:21:27] <Izaya> are you writing the init to the tmpfs or loading it separately?
L1672[21:21:29] <Ocawes​ome101> + t
L1673[21:21:57] <Amanda> writing the init to tmpfs, a psychos install with a rc.cfg and supporting services.
L1674[21:21:58] <Izaya> was actually considering adding a LZ16 loaded to require
L1675[21:23:57] <Amanda> the biggest file that's not from me in the todo cpio is init.lua -- at 20k
L1676[21:24:10] <Izaya> suggestion, never write init.lua to the tmpfs
L1677[21:24:21] <Amanda> oh?
L1678[21:24:41] <Amanda> ... that's actually not a bad idea
L1679[21:24:48] <Amanda> never thought of that
L1680[21:25:17] <Izaya> in your unarchiver and/or loader, just never write it to the tmpfs, keep it in RAM
L1681[21:26:40] <Amanda> ... that also cut off like 20 bytes
L1682[21:26:56] <Amanda> ( from the eeprom )
L1683[21:27:05] <Izaya> neat
L1684[21:28:22] <Amanda> whoops, more like 15 -- I forgot to align after the fork to buffer init.lua
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L1686[21:32:40] <Izaya> but that all gets processed out before it's written? :p
L1687[21:32:48] <Izaya> I should make a util for dealing with EEPROMs
L1688[21:32:55] <Izaya> some basic minification, that sort of thing
L1689[21:33:38] <Amanda> Izaya: I meant after reading from the buffer, cpio states that the headers be 16-bit aligned
L1690[21:33:51] <Izaya> oh
L1691[21:34:06] * Izaya just uses mtar, which doesn't care
L1692[21:34:18] <Izaya> would you be interested in mtar if I ever got around to porting it to PsychOS?
L1693[21:34:24] <Amanda> mtar?
L1694[21:34:35] <Izaya> tentatively "minitel archive"
L1695[21:34:44] <Izaya> pretty much "how stupid can an archive format be"
L1696[21:35:04] <Izaya> the metadata includes: file name length, file name, file length.
L1697[21:35:21] <Amanda> ah
L1698[21:35:39] <Amanda> mostly I use cpio because it's somewhat simple, and I can produce it outside OC
L1699[21:35:56] <Izaya> I have a mtar utility for Linux, but fair.
L1700[21:36:05] <Amanda> then that'd be useful
L1701[21:36:13] <Izaya> (Actually, I think the mtar utility works on both Linux and OpenOS)
L1702[21:36:24] <Izaya> (not sure though, would have to double-check.)
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L1704[21:37:00] <Izaya> also directories are only implied and you pass the library a buffer object
L1705[21:37:18] <Izaya> why is that relevant, you ask? because you can pass it a network stream or a buffer from something to handle compression
L1706[21:37:36] <Izaya> such as liblz16
L1707[21:37:41] <Amanda> or fget
L1708[21:37:48] <Izaya> yup
L1709[21:49:47] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> aaaaa
L1710[21:51:08] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> hi
L1711[21:51:13] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> how are you all
L1712[21:55:39] <Klea​dron> no u
L1713[21:58:10] <Kristo​pher38> I'm sleepy, didn't get though sleep last night
L1714[21:59:18] <Kristo​pher38> But I'm doing maths anyway
L1715[22:31:07] <Forec​aster> %sip
L1716[22:31:08] <MichiBot> You drink a shiny lime potion (New!). Someone just had some of Forec​aster's favourite food and they didn't get any!
L1717[22:31:21] <Forec​aster> D:
L1718[22:31:46] * Michiyo quickly finishes and hides the plate
L1719[22:36:28] <Forec​aster> >:
L1720[22:38:50] <Michiyo> I have no idea what it was, but I assume it was tasty
L1721[22:42:40] <Forec​aster> probably a burger >:
L1722[22:42:52] <Forec​aster> a nice bacon one
L1723[22:43:03] <Michiyo> ooh, does sound good.
L1724[22:46:27] <Brisingr​Aerowing> %sip
L1725[22:46:27] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy pink potion (New!). Brisingr​Aerowing feels like one particular wasp has it out for them suddenly.
L1726[22:46:39] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Not surprised.
L1727[22:46:43] <Forec​aster> but is it a murder wasp
L1728[22:46:54] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Hopefully not.
L1729[22:47:21] <Brisingr​Aerowing> %curse
L1730[22:47:22] <MichiBot> Brisingr​​Aerowing: https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/beertwerks - *BeerTwerks - Mods - Minecraft - CurseForge*: "Jan 10, 2019 ... Things to behold within as of now. Ores, Blocks, Decoration Blocks, Weapons, Tools, Food, Mobs, Armor, Essence Thief (Used to activate ..."
L1731[22:47:44] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Oh. Wrong command.
L1732[22:47:48] <Michiyo> lol
L1733[22:47:53] <Michiyo> %curse OpenSecurity
L1734[22:47:54] <MichiBot> https://minecraft.curseforge.com/forums/modpack-discussions/non-curseforge-modpacks/239094-newbie-confusion - *Newbie Confusion - Non-CurseForge Modpacks - Modpacks ...*: "Apr 29, 2019 ... ... overrides/mods/OpenSecurity-MC1.12.2-1.0-23.jar overrides/mods/OreLib- 1.12.2-3.5.2.2.jar overrides/mods/Placebo-1.12.2-1.6.0.
L1735[22:47:55] <MichiBot> jar 
L1736[22:47:59] <Michiyo> lame.
L1737[22:47:59] <Forec​aster> %curseword
L1738[22:48:00] <Michiyo> :P
L1739[22:48:00] <MichiBot> Forec​​aster: Sard1!1!!
L1740[22:49:08] <Brisingr​Aerowing> %loot Notch
L1741[22:49:09] <MichiBot> Brisingr​​Aerowing: You stab Notch! It dropped a box full of wasps. (Junk)!
L1742[22:49:20] <Forec​aster> haha
L1743[22:49:21] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Sounds about right.
L1744[22:50:54] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> hands @BrisingrAerowing some bugspray
L1745[22:52:18] <Brisingr​Aerowing> I have about 20 cans of wasp killer in my garage. My mom found them on sale.
L1746[22:53:07] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Also, the 1.16 custom dimension stuff looks very cool.
L1747[23:00:13] <Forec​aster> oh hey
L1748[23:00:16] <Forec​aster> crying obsidian
L1749[23:00:32] <Forec​aster> I recall that being a thing that almost got added many years ago but was dropped
L1750[23:01:11] <Forec​aster> heh, yeah, beta 1.3
L1751[23:01:24] <Sagh​etti> yep
L1752[23:01:25] <Sagh​etti> als
L1753[23:01:29] <Sagh​etti> also*
L1754[23:01:42] <Sagh​etti> http://tinyurl.com/ycy7t4gr
L1755[23:01:49] <Sagh​etti> multi processor "computer"
L1756[23:01:56] <Sagh​etti> my first prototype of making a mainframe
L1757[23:02:01] <Forec​aster> neat https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Lodestone
L1758[23:02:31] <Forec​aster> could be used for crafting waypoints in the future :P
L1759[23:02:41] <Forec​aster> or whatever the OC2 equivalent might be
L1760[23:05:52] <Amanda> OC2 will require robots and drones to navigate usin gthe stars, with integration w/ Astral Sorcery
L1761[23:06:02] <Forec​aster> heh
L1762[23:06:21] <Amanda> You can only get your super-chunk position
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L1766[23:19:56] <Forec​aster> `/forum/ucp.php`
L1767[23:19:59] <Forec​aster> I wonder what that is
L1768[23:20:34] <Forec​aster> oh, phpBB forum software apparently
L1769[23:21:26] <Inari|2> Who still even uses forums
L1770[23:22:15] <Forec​aster> you know, people, and stuff
L1771[23:22:30] <Inari|2> I wonder what you'd call reddit. It's sort of a forum since it has threads and is more asynchronous than cahts
L1772[23:22:33] <Inari|2> But isn't really either
L1773[23:23:56] <Forec​aster> https://youtu.be/6UEnVZ3j6UA
L1774[23:23:57] <MichiBot> CLASSICAL SOPRANO surprises audience with STAR TREK | Conductor Rainer Hersch | length: 2m 55s | Likes: 12,047 Dislikes: 110 Views: 247,097 | by Rainer Hersch Fan Channel | Published On 15/5/2020
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