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<Saghetti>
it's been nothing but joins and leaves for the past 3 hours
<Saghetti>
it's been nothing but joins and leaves for the past 3 hoursL9[02:33:30] <Saghetti>
wow
<Saghetti>
wowL10[02:33:48] <Kristopher38> Zzzzz
<Kristopher38> ZzzzzL11[02:34:10] <Kristopher38> @Saghetti how's your bungee
thing going
<Kristopher38> @Saghetti how's your bungee
thing goingL12[02:34:16] <Saghetti>
well
<Saghetti>
wellL13[02:34:20] <Saghetti>
very wel
<Saghetti>
very welL14[02:34:31] <Saghetti>
but i'm realizing now
<Saghetti>
but i'm realizing nowL15[02:34:44] <Saghetti>
uninstalling discord would make productivity a hell of a lot
better
<Saghetti>
uninstalling discord would make productivity a hell of a lot
betterL16[02:35:36] <payonel>
bungee?
<payonel>
bungee?L17[02:35:38] <Kristopher38> Oh Christ my rats scared me
to death, one of them did a sound as if someone was knocking on the
door
<Kristopher38> Oh Christ my rats scared me
to death, one of them did a sound as if someone was knocking on the
doorL18[02:35:43] <Kristopher38> And it's 3am
<Kristopher38> And it's 3amL19[02:35:43] <Saghetti>
bungeecord
<Saghetti>
bungeecordL20[02:35:57] <Corded> * <payonel>
googles
L21[02:36:10] <Saghetti>
o_O
<Saghetti>
o_OL22[02:36:16] <Kristopher38> Very well as in, what have
you got working recently
<Kristopher38> Very well as in, what have
you got working recentlyL23[02:36:16] <Saghetti>
how do you not know what bungee is
<Saghetti>
how do you not know what bungee isL25[02:36:28] <Saghetti>
yes
<Saghetti>
yesL26[02:36:32] <Kristopher38> Also did I mention that one
of my rats is named Lua? :D
<Kristopher38> Also did I mention that one
of my rats is named Lua? :DL27[02:36:33] <payonel>
yep, never heard of it
<payonel>
yep, never heard of itL28[02:36:48] <Saghetti>
it's literally the software that runs all the huge server
networks
<Saghetti>
it's literally the software that runs all the huge server
networksL29[02:36:55] <Saghetti>
hypixel, cubecraft, mineplex, the hive, etc
<Saghetti>
hypixel, cubecraft, mineplex, the hive, etcL30[02:36:55] <payonel> i
dont play in server networks
<payonel> i
dont play in server networksL31[02:37:01] <payonel> i
only play on my own hosted worlds
<payonel> i
only play on my own hosted worldsL32[02:37:06] <payonel>
never played on any of those
<payonel>
never played on any of thoseL33[02:37:09] <Saghetti>
anyways
<Saghetti>
anywaysL34[02:37:19] <Saghetti>
terrabungee can now read a manifest
<Saghetti>
terrabungee can now read a manifestL35[02:37:38] <Saghetti>
and copy files, decompress zips, create folders, etc. based off of
the manifest
<Saghetti>
and copy files, decompress zips, create folders, etc. based off of
the manifestL36[02:38:01] <Saghetti>
it pulls all of them off of a HTTP server on the internal network
(localhost for now)
<Saghetti>
it pulls all of them off of a HTTP server on the internal network
(localhost for now)L37[02:38:21] <Saghetti>
this allows me to dynamically create mc servers based off of
templates
<Saghetti>
this allows me to dynamically create mc servers based off of
templatesL38[02:38:39] <Saghetti>
so it copies files such as server.properties, plugins, worlds,
etc
<Saghetti>
so it copies files such as server.properties, plugins, worlds,
etcL39[02:38:41] <Kristopher38> Do I remember this right,
you're doing this for that community doing 1:1 recreation of earth
with cubic chunks?
<Kristopher38> Do I remember this right,
you're doing this for that community doing 1:1 recreation of earth
with cubic chunks?L40[02:38:47] <Saghetti>
yeah
<Saghetti>
yeahL41[02:38:52] <Saghetti>
we're making a minigames server
<Saghetti>
we're making a minigames serverL42[02:39:04] <Kristopher38> Oh here we go again
<Kristopher38> Oh here we go againL43[02:39:09] <Kristopher38> MINIGAMES
<Kristopher38> MINIGAMESL44[02:39:09] <Saghetti>
(and if that doesn't work out, i could always license this to other
people)
<Saghetti>
(and if that doesn't work out, i could always license this to other
people)L45[02:39:12] <Saghetti>
yes
<Saghetti>
yesL46[02:39:19] <Saghetti>
not my idea, but i wanted something fun to work on
<Saghetti>
not my idea, but i wanted something fun to work onL47[02:39:36] <Saghetti>
so i took up the challenge of designing scalable infrastructure for
it
<Saghetti>
so i took up the challenge of designing scalable infrastructure for
itL48[02:41:09] <Kristopher38> So wait, you're literally
creating server setups and running them on the fly?
<Kristopher38> So wait, you're literally
creating server setups and running them on the fly?L49[02:41:14] <Saghetti>
yep
<Saghetti>
yepL50[02:41:29] <Saghetti>
do you want an explanation of terminology and stuff?
<Saghetti>
do you want an explanation of terminology and stuff?L51[02:41:31] <Kristopher38> Ngl that's cool
<Kristopher38> Ngl that's coolL52[02:42:29] <Saghetti>
anyways, the core reason why i'm doing this is because managing
stuff is painful
<Saghetti>
anyways, the core reason why i'm doing this is because managing
stuff is painfulL53[02:42:33] <Saghetti>
and so is scaling and load balancing
<Saghetti>
and so is scaling and load balancingL54[02:42:59] <Saghetti>
once you have like 30 backend servers, changing one config option
across many of them is really tedious
<Saghetti>
once you have like 30 backend servers, changing one config option
across many of them is really tediousL55[02:43:26] <Kristopher38> I've always dreamed about
writing some load balancing stuff but the need never really came
up
<Kristopher38> I've always dreamed about
writing some load balancing stuff but the need never really came
upL56[02:43:44] <Saghetti>
well the need definitely is here, we're going to need to support
thousands of players
<Saghetti>
well the need definitely is here, we're going to need to support
thousands of playersL57[02:43:52] <Kristopher38> Yeah, explain it, I like
listening to how cool stuff is made
<Kristopher38> Yeah, explain it, I like
listening to how cool stuff is madeL58[02:43:59] <Saghetti>
so
<Saghetti>
soL59[02:44:06] <Saghetti>
there are 3 main pieces of the "network"
<Saghetti>
there are 3 main pieces of the "network"L60[02:44:17] <Saghetti>
you have your controller, your proxies, and your nodes
<Saghetti>
you have your controller, your proxies, and your nodesL61[02:44:30] <Saghetti>
(yes, this thing is designed to work with multiple bungeecord
instnaces)
<Saghetti>
(yes, this thing is designed to work with multiple bungeecord
instnaces)L62[02:44:46] <Saghetti>
the controller acts as the centerpiece of the network
<Saghetti>
the controller acts as the centerpiece of the networkL63[02:45:11] <Saghetti>
it handles all commands sent to it, and controls other services as
needed
<Saghetti>
it handles all commands sent to it, and controls other services as
neededL64[02:45:27] <Saghetti>
a service is simply something that communicates on the
network
<Saghetti>
a service is simply something that communicates on the
networkL65[02:45:31] <Saghetti>
next up are nodes
<Saghetti>
next up are nodesL66[02:45:53] <Saghetti>
these are services that actually host the MC servers (instances, as
i call them internally)
<Saghetti>
these are services that actually host the MC servers (instances, as
i call them internally)L67[02:46:24] <Saghetti>
they receive commands from the controller to do actions such as
creating and modifying servers
<Saghetti>
they receive commands from the controller to do actions such as
creating and modifying serversL68[02:46:35] <Saghetti>
and finally are proxies
<Saghetti>
and finally are proxiesL69[02:47:14] <Saghetti>
these are where players actually connect to. when players join or
leave, it sends commands to the controller telling it to scale
up/down accordingly
<Saghetti>
these are where players actually connect to. when players join or
leave, it sends commands to the controller telling it to scale
up/down accordinglyL70[02:47:34] <Saghetti>
there's a lot more happening, this is just a "simple"
explanation
<Saghetti>
there's a lot more happening, this is just a "simple"
explanationL71[02:47:37] <Saghetti>
did i lose you?
<Saghetti>
did i lose you?L72[02:48:04] <Kristopher38> I'm here, just making
toasts
<Kristopher38> I'm here, just making
toastsL73[02:48:11] <Saghetti>
oh good
<Saghetti>
oh goodL74[02:48:12] <Kristopher38> I'm following
<Kristopher38> I'm followingL75[02:48:28] <Saghetti>
that's basically how it works in a nutshell
<Saghetti>
that's basically how it works in a nutshellL76[02:49:19] <Kristopher38> Can instances be physically
on one machine?
<Kristopher38> Can instances be physically
on one machine?L77[02:49:32] <Saghetti>
usually, there's one node per machine
<Saghetti>
usually, there's one node per machineL78[02:49:42] <Saghetti>
so you could have, for example, Server A
<Saghetti>
so you could have, for example, Server AL79[02:49:48] <Saghetti>
with the ip address of 10.0.0.1
<Saghetti>
with the ip address of 10.0.0.1L80[02:50:08] <Saghetti>
it would be sent commands, and then it spins up instances
accordingly
<Saghetti>
it would be sent commands, and then it spins up instances
accordinglyL81[02:50:32] <Saghetti>
so it could be told to create 5 lobby servers, and it would return
IP addresses, such as 10.0.0.1:12345
<Saghetti>
so it could be told to create 5 lobby servers, and it would return
IP addresses, such as 10.0.0.1:12345L82[02:51:15] <Saghetti>
so there are almost always multiple instances on one machine
<Saghetti>
so there are almost always multiple instances on one machineL83[02:51:26] <Saghetti>
this means that it also plays nicely with multi-cored
machines
<Saghetti>
this means that it also plays nicely with multi-cored
machinesL84[02:52:18] <Kristopher38> Yeah, I specifically
thought about this
<Kristopher38> Yeah, I specifically
thought about thisL85[02:52:36] <Kristopher38> Since Minecraft heavily
utilises a single core
<Kristopher38> Since Minecraft heavily
utilises a single coreL86[02:53:02] <Saghetti>
minigame servers scale nicely
<Saghetti>
minigame servers scale nicelyL87[02:53:21] <Saghetti>
because you usually have many servers with ~25 players max
<Saghetti>
because you usually have many servers with ~25 players maxL88[02:53:30] <Saghetti>
so you can do multiple cores and multiple machines
<Saghetti>
so you can do multiple cores and multiple machinesL89[02:53:45] <Kristopher38> Yeah, I imagine
<Kristopher38> Yeah, I imagineL90[02:54:18] <Saghetti>
also a few days ago, i realized that this was actually really
similar to how minecraft realms works
<Saghetti>
also a few days ago, i realized that this was actually really
similar to how minecraft realms worksL91[02:55:14] <Kristopher38> Huh, I never bothered to
check how realms works, probably because it's far too expensive for
what it offers
<Kristopher38> Huh, I never bothered to
check how realms works, probably because it's far too expensive for
what it offersL92[02:55:33] <Saghetti>
i agree
<Saghetti>
i agreeL93[02:55:40] <Saghetti>
it's overpriced and doesn't have a lot of nice features
<Saghetti>
it's overpriced and doesn't have a lot of nice featuresL94[02:55:46] <Saghetti>
such as plugin/mod support
<Saghetti>
such as plugin/mod supportL95[02:56:02] <Saghetti>
but anyways, here's the article on how the realms infrastructure
works
<Saghetti>
but anyways, here's the article on how the realms infrastructure
worksL97[02:56:21] <Saghetti>
their manager is the same as my controller
<Saghetti>
their manager is the same as my controllerL98[02:56:27] <Saghetti>
and their controllers are the same as my nodes
<Saghetti>
and their controllers are the same as my nodesL99[02:57:01] <Saghetti>
basically the same thing, but with different terminology and a web
interface in the place of a proxy
<Saghetti>
basically the same thing, but with different terminology and a web
interface in the place of a proxyL100[02:57:50] <Kristopher38> I see, gonna read that
tomorrow since it's starting to get bright outside so I should be
going to bed :D
<Kristopher38> I see, gonna read that
tomorrow since it's starting to get bright outside so I should be
going to bed :DL101[02:58:23] <Kristopher38> But
<Kristopher38> ButL102[02:58:59] <Kristopher38> How does the controller
know when and where to spin up instances
<Kristopher38> How does the controller
know when and where to spin up instancesL103[02:59:22] <Saghetti>
so there are these things called "fleets"
<Saghetti>
so there are these things called "fleets"L104[02:59:32] <Saghetti>
groups of instances that can be scaled up and down
<Saghetti>
groups of instances that can be scaled up and downL105[02:59:53] <Saghetti>
so a player connects to a proxy, and it tries to send them to the
lobby fleet, for example
<Saghetti>
so a player connects to a proxy, and it tries to send them to the
lobby fleet, for exampleL106[03:00:08] <Saghetti>
lets say that there isn't enough capacity
<Saghetti>
lets say that there isn't enough capacityL107[03:00:51] <Saghetti>
so the proxy tells the controller that there isn't capacity, and
the controller distributes the instances among the nodes
<Saghetti>
so the proxy tells the controller that there isn't capacity, and
the controller distributes the instances among the nodesL108[03:00:58] <Kristopher38> What's defined as "not
enough capacity", the instance capacity which is some
arbitrary number?
<Kristopher38> What's defined as "not
enough capacity", the instance capacity which is some
arbitrary number?L109[03:01:10] <Kristopher38> What's defined as
"capacity", the instance capacity which is some arbitrary
number? [Edited]
<Kristopher38> What's defined as
"capacity", the instance capacity which is some arbitrary
number? [Edited]L110[03:01:36] <Saghetti>
capacity is basically defined as `max players per instance *
instances`
<Saghetti>
capacity is basically defined as `max players per instance *
instances`L111[03:01:45] <Saghetti>
so the maximum amount of people that can join
<Saghetti>
so the maximum amount of people that can joinL112[03:01:54] <Kristopher38> Oh I see
<Kristopher38> Oh I seeL113[03:02:14] <Saghetti>
my old system worked by queueing the players if there isn't enough
capacity
<Saghetti>
my old system worked by queueing the players if there isn't enough
capacityL114[03:02:28] <Saghetti>
if all servers were full
<Saghetti>
if all servers were fullL115[03:02:53] <Saghetti>
but i'm thinking of adding a threshold, so when there are less than
50 slots available, for example
<Saghetti>
but i'm thinking of adding a threshold, so when there are less than
50 slots available, for exampleL116[03:04:46] <payonel>
i'm curious how this is hosted, cost, who's paying for it 🙂
<payonel>
i'm curious how this is hosted, cost, who's paying for it 🙂L117[03:05:00] <Kristopher38> So uh, instances obviously
don't share the same map and visible players walking around, right?
What if there's a capacity of let's say 20 people on one instance
and that instance is full and I want to join a friend playing
there, the friend has to exit that instance so we can get connected
to another instance, now together?
<Kristopher38> So uh, instances obviously
don't share the same map and visible players walking around, right?
What if there's a capacity of let's say 20 people on one instance
and that instance is full and I want to join a friend playing
there, the friend has to exit that instance so we can get connected
to another instance, now together?L118[03:06:00] <Saghetti>
Kristopher38: yep
<Saghetti>
Kristopher38: yepL119[03:06:21] <Saghetti>
you need to join the same lobby as your friend
<Saghetti>
you need to join the same lobby as your friendL120[03:06:32] <Saghetti>
but this also includes actual game serverrs
<Saghetti>
but this also includes actual game serverrsL121[03:06:46] <Saghetti>
where when you start a game, it creates an instance and sends
people to it
<Saghetti>
where when you start a game, it creates an instance and sends
people to itL122[03:07:03] <Saghetti>
if you add your friend to a party, you can join the same games and
play together
<Saghetti>
if you add your friend to a party, you can join the same games and
play togetherL123[03:07:15] <Saghetti>
payonel: i'm hosting it for now
<Saghetti>
payonel: i'm hosting it for nowL124[03:07:26] <Saghetti>
i have a pretty beef server box at a datacenter
<Saghetti>
i have a pretty beef server box at a datacenterL125[03:07:36] <Saghetti>
40 cores @ 2.4ghz, 128gb ram
<Saghetti>
40 cores @ 2.4ghz, 128gb ramL126[03:09:04] <Kristopher38> I thought before you were
doing an entirely different thing, like synchronizing that earth
1:1 map between bungecoord instances and seamlessly transferring
players from instance to instance, and other magic stuff
<Kristopher38> I thought before you were
doing an entirely different thing, like synchronizing that earth
1:1 map between bungecoord instances and seamlessly transferring
players from instance to instance, and other magic stuffL127[03:09:25] <Saghetti>
that was something i tried to do earlier
<Saghetti>
that was something i tried to do earlierL128[03:09:35] <Saghetti>
sync players and block updates via redis across multiple
servers
<Saghetti>
sync players and block updates via redis across multiple
serversL129[03:09:53] <Saghetti>
but that proved too hard to make, and not feasible to host
<Saghetti>
but that proved too hard to make, and not feasible to hostL130[03:10:08] <Kristopher38> Oooh, right, I thought that
and bungee were the same thing
<Kristopher38> Oooh, right, I thought that
and bungee were the same thingL131[03:10:20] <Kristopher38> Oooh, right, I thought that
this and bungee were the same thing [Edited]
<Kristopher38> Oooh, right, I thought that
this and bungee were the same thing [Edited]L132[03:10:26] <Saghetti>
the minigame server is something else players can do, if they want
to take a break from building
<Saghetti>
the minigame server is something else players can do, if they want
to take a break from buildingL133[03:10:49] <Saghetti>
we're going to host events on there so that the community stays
engaged
<Saghetti>
we're going to host events on there so that the community stays
engagedL134[03:11:09] <Kristopher38> Makes sense
<Kristopher38> Makes senseL135[03:12:27] <Kristopher38> I'm gonna go now, I've
gained an interesting insight, thanks
<Kristopher38> I'm gonna go now, I've
gained an interesting insight, thanksL136[03:12:34] <Kristopher38> Gn all
<Kristopher38> Gn allL137[03:12:37] <Saghetti>
👋
<Saghetti>
👋L138[03:12:47] <Saghetti>
i guess that's my cue to go back to coding
<Saghetti>
i guess that's my cue to go back to codingL139[03:12:49] <Saghetti>
gn
<Saghetti>
gnL140[03:13:50] <payonel> %tell Vexatos
i've reviewed copy/fill/set gpu budget and power costs. they are
the same as they were before. no changes. budget is still a fixed
cost regardless of data size (as before), and power cost scales
linearly
L141[03:13:51] <MichiBot> payonel: Vexatos
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L142[03:13:56] <payonel> %tell asie i've
reviewed copy/fill/set gpu budget and power costs. they are the
same as they were before. no changes. budget is still a fixed cost
regardless of data size (as before), and power cost scales
linearly
L143[03:13:57] <MichiBot> payonel: asie
will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L145[03:16:46] <payonel> the bitblt budget
cost needs to scale, unlike the other methods. a bitblt with a
large dirty page should cost more call budget than a small dirty
page. i'm less concerned about power cost, but it should also
scale, and be similar to copy
L146[03:32:56] <The_Stargazer> payonel: is it currently
that a small dirty page costs as much as a large one?
<The_Stargazer> payonel: is it currently
that a small dirty page costs as much as a large one?L147[03:44:12] <The_Stargazer> Message contained 4 or
more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/acixirefev
<The_Stargazer> Message contained 4 or
more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/acixirefevL148[03:44:40] <The_Stargazer> what better way to say
"o/" to a world than blow it up
<The_Stargazer> what better way to say
"o/" to a world than blow it upL149[03:47:06] <Saghetti>
wait
<Saghetti>
waitL150[03:47:13] <Saghetti>
world reset?
<Saghetti>
world reset?L151[03:49:21] <Saghetti>
@The_Stargazer
<Saghetti>
@The_StargazerL152[03:49:29] <The_Stargazer> well
<The_Stargazer> wellL153[03:49:32] <The_Stargazer> more like
<The_Stargazer> more likeL154[03:49:33] <The_Stargazer> potential new pack
<The_Stargazer> potential new packL155[03:50:20] <The_Stargazer> also, Izaya: if you want
to say your goodbyes to the Minitel village now would be the
time
<The_Stargazer> also, Izaya: if you want
to say your goodbyes to the Minitel village now would be the
timeL156[03:50:54] <Izaya> oh shit what
L157[03:51:00] <The_Stargazer> the world's going to go
boom
<The_Stargazer> the world's going to go
boomL158[03:51:06] <Izaya> can has download
pls
L159[03:51:15] <The_Stargazer> yeah ariri's gonna back it
up
<The_Stargazer> yeah ariri's gonna back it
upL160[03:51:26] <Izaya> cool cool
L161[03:51:40] <The_Stargazer> but if you want to say
your goodbyes to the live copy
<The_Stargazer> but if you want to say
your goodbyes to the live copyL162[03:51:42] <The_Stargazer> do it now :P
<The_Stargazer> do it now :PL163[03:52:41] <Saghetti>
ah dang
<Saghetti>
ah dangL164[03:52:45] <The_Stargazer> Amanda: you too (iirc you
based with Inari, or possible on the mountain)
<The_Stargazer> Amanda: you too (iirc you
based with Inari, or possible on the mountain)L165[03:52:51] <Saghetti>
there's so much i haven't done
<Saghetti>
there's so much i haven't doneL166[03:53:08] <The_Stargazer> well, new pack and new
goals coming soon!
<The_Stargazer> well, new pack and new
goals coming soon!L167[03:53:08] <Saghetti>
didn't have enough time to play here
<Saghetti>
didn't have enough time to play hereL168[03:53:18] <Saghetti>
cool i guess
<Saghetti>
cool i guessL169[03:53:26] <Amanda> I'm about to pass
out for the night
L170[04:03:47] <Ariri>
There will be a common objective, be it a space race, first to
reach an endpoint, or total war, undetermined right now. Security,
missiles, automation, strategy, etc are to be key in whatever it
is.
<Ariri>
There will be a common objective, be it a space race, first to
reach an endpoint, or total war, undetermined right now. Security,
missiles, automation, strategy, etc are to be key in whatever it
is.L171[04:04:54] <The_Stargazer> space race sounds pretty
good actualyl
<The_Stargazer> space race sounds pretty
good actualylL172[04:05:04] <The_Stargazer> advanced rocketry has a
lot of stuff
<The_Stargazer> advanced rocketry has a
lot of stuffL173[04:05:16] <The_Stargazer> it even includes
achievements for e.g. the first player to operate a warp drive
capable ship
<The_Stargazer> it even includes
achievements for e.g. the first player to operate a warp drive
capable shipL174[04:06:13] <The_Stargazer> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642623158440165392/712138471669760050/unknown.png
<The_Stargazer> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642623158440165392/712138471669760050/unknown.pngL175[04:06:13] <The_Stargazer> You guys wanna keep any of
these?
<The_Stargazer> You guys wanna keep any of
these?L176[04:10:14] <Kleadron>
good choice in theme color
<Kleadron>
good choice in theme colorL177[04:11:07] <Ariri> I
personally like the Morph mod, and I know I added a few of those
for some people on here, but idk about funky locomotives or
exchangers
<Ariri> I
personally like the Morph mod, and I know I added a few of those
for some people on here, but idk about funky locomotives or
exchangersL178[04:11:24] <Ariri> mob
grinding utils can be removed if needed bc there are
alternatives
<Ariri> mob
grinding utils can be removed if needed bc there are
alternativesL179[04:15:43] <payonel> @The_Stargazer
bitblts for small pages is cheaper than for large. it grows
linearly. i'm doing a deep analysis of the packet loads and
behavior to determine the right balance
L180[04:16:28] <The_Stargazer> ah, ok
<The_Stargazer> ah, okL181[04:16:31] <payonel> a dirty page
should, rightfully, cost as much as doing it by hand (but a little
less)
L182[04:17:18] <payonel> worst cast, you
are changing colors and changing every char positions. that's (For
a 160x50 scree, thus 8k) 8k * foreground+background+char
updates
L183[04:17:37] <payonel> so that's my
upper bound of what it should cost to sync a dirty page
L184[04:24:12] <Michiyo> payonel, BLT's at
your place?
L185[04:24:28] <payonel> haha, i would
like that
L186[04:24:31] <Michiyo> lol
L187[04:29:46] <payonel> ok this budget
system is looking pretty great
L188[04:29:56] <payonel> T1 bitblt is
16*copy budget
L189[04:30:09] <payonel> T2 is 25*copy,
and T3 is 50^copy
L190[04:30:14] <payonel> err, i meant
set
L191[04:30:15] <payonel> not copy
L192[04:30:21] <The_Stargazer> 50^set?
<The_Stargazer> 50^set?L193[04:30:23] <The_Stargazer> you mean 50*set?
<The_Stargazer> you mean 50*set?L194[04:30:44] <payonel> yes, 50*set
L195[04:30:45] <payonel> so
L196[04:30:48] <The_Stargazer> ah
<The_Stargazer> ahL197[04:31:00] <payonel> each tier (1,2,3)
has a different performance for set
L198[04:31:25] <payonel> the worst you can
do to the network is call set on a full line
L199[04:31:37] <payonel> bitblt is like y
lines of sets
L200[04:31:45] <payonel> plus, color
data
L201[04:32:04] <payonel> so T1 is 16
lines, T2 is 25 lines, and T3 is 50 lines
L202[04:32:20] <payonel> i then scale that
linearly to the size of the vram page
L203[04:32:32] <payonel> so a tiny page is
a fraction of that product
L204[04:32:44] <payonel> anyways, this
seems to scale nicely, i have more perf benchmarking to do
L205[04:32:54] <The_Stargazer> 👍
<The_Stargazer> 👍L206[04:42:31] <Ocawesome101> @Ariri total war please
:D
<Ocawesome101> @Ariri total war please
:DL207[04:44:45] <Ariri> I
was thinking a combination of them all in a way, space gets you
mats and tech for evolving your base, and protecting your base
prevents stealing and stuff
<Ariri> I
was thinking a combination of them all in a way, space gets you
mats and tech for evolving your base, and protecting your base
prevents stealing and stuffL208[04:44:46] <Ariri> I
don’t want any cheesy defenses though, like a private
dimension.
<Ariri> I
don’t want any cheesy defenses though, like a private
dimension.L209[04:44:46] <Ariri>
Kind of like the cold war and space race combined I suppose.
Surveillance, counters, etc
<Ariri>
Kind of like the cold war and space race combined I suppose.
Surveillance, counters, etcL210[04:48:26] <Ocawesome101> I actually put together a
kind of total-war-focused modpack today
<Ocawesome101> I actually put together a
kind of total-war-focused modpack todayL211[04:48:37] <Ocawesome101> I can give you the modlist
if you want to build off it
<Ocawesome101> I can give you the modlist
if you want to build off itL212[04:49:48] <ThePiGuy24> Techguns and Pixelmon is a
cursed combiniation
<ThePiGuy24> Techguns and Pixelmon is a
cursed combiniationL213[04:50:07] <payonel> OOOO i'm getting
this right! now bitblt is JUST a tiny bit faster than set (taking
average of 100s of calls)
L214[04:50:24] <payonel> and it scales, so
it can be faster, and if you keep your page clean, it's super
fast
L215[04:50:35] <CompanionCube> i don't see
much cold about this hypothetical war
L216[04:50:54] <Ocawesome101> payonel: and how do you
keep you page clean?
<Ocawesome101> payonel: and how do you
keep you page clean?L217[04:51:25] <ThePiGuy24> how fast can you set a full
colour "frame" to the screen now?
<ThePiGuy24> how fast can you set a full
colour "frame" to the screen now?L218[04:53:17] <The_Stargazer> @Ariri so, since you don't
want private dimensions: remove RFTools Dimensions?
<The_Stargazer> @Ariri so, since you don't
want private dimensions: remove RFTools Dimensions?L219[04:53:48] <Ariri> I
was hoping that would be more honor enforced, rftools has some
uses
<Ariri> I
was hoping that would be more honor enforced, rftools has some
usesL220[04:54:03] <The_Stargazer> rftools can be used
without the dim module
<The_Stargazer> rftools can be used
without the dim moduleL221[04:54:17] <Ariri> eh,
im fine with it
<Ariri> eh,
im fine with itL222[04:54:22] <The_Stargazer> alright ¯\(ツ)/¯
<The_Stargazer> alright ¯\(ツ)/¯L223[04:54:25] <Ariri> its
just less honorable to use it like that
<Ariri> its
just less honorable to use it like thatL224[04:54:29] <The_Stargazer> yeah
<The_Stargazer> yeahL225[04:54:54] <The_Stargazer> oh, by the way
<The_Stargazer> oh, by the wayL226[04:54:57] <The_Stargazer> keep twilight
forest?
<The_Stargazer> keep twilight
forest?L227[04:55:00] <The_Stargazer> idk if it was ever
used
<The_Stargazer> idk if it was ever
usedL228[05:01:13] <payonel>
@Ocawesome101 when you modify a buffer (color, palette, chars) it
becomes dirty
<payonel>
@Ocawesome101 when you modify a buffer (color, palette, chars) it
becomes dirtyL229[05:01:32] <Ocawesome101> ah ok
<Ocawesome101> ah okL230[05:02:17] <Ocawesome101> if you call `set(1, 1,
" ")` 1000 times, it only changes one pixel and is still
very cheap, right?
<Ocawesome101> if you call `set(1, 1,
" ")` 1000 times, it only changes one pixel and is still
very cheap, right?L231[05:02:26] <ThePiGuy24> how are the bufferes
accessed?
<ThePiGuy24> how are the bufferes
accessed?L233[05:02:57] <payonel>
you set the active buffer, then use the gpu api as before
<payonel>
you set the active buffer, then use the gpu api as beforeL234[05:03:04] <ThePiGuy24> ah
<ThePiGuy24> ahL235[05:03:55] <payonel>
@Ocawesome101 i'm still working on some bugs right now, but that is
the intention, that writes to vram are extremely cheap
<payonel>
@Ocawesome101 i'm still working on some bugs right now, but that is
the intention, that writes to vram are extremely cheapL236[05:04:15] <ThePiGuy24> would be cool to just have it
as a table where you can edit the characters and colours directly
for loading data directly
<ThePiGuy24> would be cool to just have it
as a table where you can edit the characters and colours directly
for loading data directlyL237[05:04:33] <payonel>
that's a possible extension of this
<payonel>
that's a possible extension of thisL238[05:04:45] <payonel>
but there was a LOT of groundwork that had to exist before that was
possible
<payonel>
but there was a LOT of groundwork that had to exist before that was
possibleL239[05:05:06] <payonel>
there is an system of handling buffers, syncing with clients,
clearing caches, etc --
<payonel>
there is an system of handling buffers, syncing with clients,
clearing caches, etc --L240[05:05:18] <payonel> i
couldn't just add an api for raw table writes without first doing
this part
<payonel> i
couldn't just add an api for raw table writes without first doing
this partL241[05:06:08] <ThePiGuy24> but these buffers seem like
they could make my (terrible) remote gpu thing faster
<ThePiGuy24> but these buffers seem like
they could make my (terrible) remote gpu thing fasterL242[05:06:19] <payonel>
it was not an option to allow writing a raw screen buffer directly
from a lua table to the screen
<payonel>
it was not an option to allow writing a raw screen buffer directly
from a lua table to the screenL243[05:06:23] <payonel>
there needed to be vram first
<payonel>
there needed to be vram firstL244[05:06:49] <ThePiGuy24> yeah that makes sense
<ThePiGuy24> yeah that makes senseL245[05:07:13] <ThePiGuy24> cant write to something if
there is no something to write to
<ThePiGuy24> cant write to something if
there is no something to write toL246[05:07:49] <payonel>
well....it was possible, it's more about how to logically scale the
cost
<payonel>
well....it was possible, it's more about how to logically scale the
costL247[05:08:00] ⇦
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L248[05:08:44] <payonel>
if you could write an entire screen directly, we'd have to have a
crap ton of ... code that breaks up the data into chunks and costs
and writes to the screen
<payonel>
if you could write an entire screen directly, we'd have to have a
crap ton of ... code that breaks up the data into chunks and costs
and writes to the screenL249[05:09:00] <payonel>
it would be like a function all of its own, redoing a lot of what
is already there
<payonel>
it would be like a function all of its own, redoing a lot of what
is already thereL250[05:09:16] <payonel>
these vram pages allow you to use the entire gpu api and system
that is already in place
<payonel>
these vram pages allow you to use the entire gpu api and system
that is already in placeL251[05:09:19] <payonel>
then, bitblt it
<payonel>
then, bitblt itL252[05:09:26] <payonel>
and i can focus on optimizing and budgeting JUST bitblt
<payonel>
and i can focus on optimizing and budgeting JUST bitbltL253[05:09:54] <payonel>
if at some point we all you to write a full "table" to
vram, that would be a reasonable feature
<payonel>
if at some point we all you to write a full "table" to
vram, that would be a reasonable featureL254[05:09:59] <payonel>
because i don't need to budget that
<payonel>
because i don't need to budget thatL255[05:10:28] <payonel> 🙂
and i already know the api i would use
<payonel> 🙂
and i already know the api i would useL256[05:10:30]
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L258[05:10:41] <payonel>
warning, i'm sharing idea "too early" 🙂
<payonel>
warning, i'm sharing idea "too early" 🙂L259[05:11:12] <payonel>
`gpu.get(x)` and `gpu.get()` would return an entire line and entire
screen's worth of data
<payonel>
`gpu.get(x)` and `gpu.get()` would return an entire line and entire
screen's worth of dataL260[05:11:32] <payonel>
`gpu.set(x, line)` and `gpu.set(screen)` would allow you to write
it all back
<payonel>
`gpu.set(x, line)` and `gpu.set(screen)` would allow you to write
it all backL261[05:11:49] <payonel>
however, these overloads would not allow you to do that if the
active buffer was the screen
<payonel>
however, these overloads would not allow you to do that if the
active buffer was the screenL262[05:11:50] <payonel>
only to vram
<payonel>
only to vramL263[05:12:03] <payonel>
this is not a feature yet ^ only my musings
<payonel>
this is not a feature yet ^ only my musingsL264[05:15:32] <ThePiGuy24> yeah it makes sense that
writing large amounts of data directly to screen should be slow/not
possible, as on real hardware, the screen buffer is (nearly)
constantly being read to be sent to the display, and you cant
read/write at the same time
<ThePiGuy24> yeah it makes sense that
writing large amounts of data directly to screen should be slow/not
possible, as on real hardware, the screen buffer is (nearly)
constantly being read to be sent to the display, and you cant
read/write at the same timeL265[05:21:55] <Kleadron>
what version of OC will this possible update be in?
<Kleadron>
what version of OC will this possible update be in?L266[05:22:23] <payonel>
an alpha (buggy, imbalanced) version is already in dev builds
<payonel>
an alpha (buggy, imbalanced) version is already in dev buildsL267[05:22:36] <payonel> i
push to 1.7.10, 1.10, and .1.12
<payonel> i
push to 1.7.10, 1.10, and .1.12L268[05:22:38] <payonel>
1.12 *
<payonel>
1.12 *L269[05:22:54] <Kleadron>
ah cool
<Kleadron>
ah coolL270[05:23:33] <Ariri>
The_Stargazer: it was used, might as well keep it, fairly
lightweight
<Ariri>
The_Stargazer: it was used, might as well keep it, fairly
lightweightL271[05:26:01] <Kleadron>
i was asking because i didn't know if the update is coming to an mc
1.7.10 supporting version of oc or not
<Kleadron>
i was asking because i didn't know if the update is coming to an mc
1.7.10 supporting version of oc or notL272[05:26:27] <payonel>
1.7.10 is still our default
<payonel>
1.7.10 is still our defaultL273[05:28:36] <Kleadron>
how are you guys able to keep developing OC for 1.7.10 when i heard
about problems with getting the dev environment set up?
<Kleadron>
how are you guys able to keep developing OC for 1.7.10 when i heard
about problems with getting the dev environment set up?L274[05:28:56] <Kleadron>
although that's for setup and i don't think it effects existing
environments
<Kleadron>
although that's for setup and i don't think it effects existing
environmentsL275[05:30:32] <payonel>
because i've been doing this for a long time
<payonel>
because i've been doing this for a long timeL276[05:30:39] <payonel> i
maintain the maven repo of our deps
<payonel> i
maintain the maven repo of our depsL277[05:30:45] <payonel> i
have found ways to make it work
<payonel> i
have found ways to make it workL278[05:31:00] <payonel>
additionally, have a few environments for running different builds
that i keep around
<payonel>
additionally, have a few environments for running different builds
that i keep aroundL279[05:31:10] <The_Stargazer> Ariri: got it
<The_Stargazer> Ariri: got itL280[05:31:44] <ThePiGuy24> just had an interesting idea
for some sort of "advanced relay"
<ThePiGuy24> just had an interesting idea
for some sort of "advanced relay"L281[05:31:51] <The_Stargazer> Kleadron: it just
Works™️
<The_Stargazer> Kleadron: it just
Works™️L282[05:32:25] <The_Stargazer> Microsoft Works™️
<The_Stargazer> Microsoft Works™️L283[05:32:26] <The_Stargazer> a failed product
<The_Stargazer> a failed productL284[05:32:26] <Ocawesome101> there, Monolith now has a
proper 2001: ASO reference
<Ocawesome101> there, Monolith now has a
proper 2001: ASO referenceL285[05:32:46] <The_Stargazer> the newer version is
Microsoft Never Works™️
<The_Stargazer> the newer version is
Microsoft Never Works™️L286[05:32:54] <The_Stargazer> er, actually
<The_Stargazer> er, actuallyL287[05:32:58] <The_Stargazer> Microsoft
WorksNever™️
<The_Stargazer> Microsoft
WorksNever™️L288[05:34:12] <ThePiGuy24> Message contained 4 or more
newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/sowopiroha
<ThePiGuy24> Message contained 4 or more
newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/sowopirohaL289[05:34:31] <ThePiGuy24> oh and:
<ThePiGuy24> oh and:L290[05:34:31] <ThePiGuy24> - events
<ThePiGuy24> - eventsL291[05:35:01] <ThePiGuy24> would probably be a pain to
implement
<ThePiGuy24> would probably be a pain to
implementL292[05:37:05] <Kleadron>
The_Stargazer: not for me
<Kleadron>
The_Stargazer: not for meL293[05:38:45] <Kleadron>
i kinda want to make a basic 1.7.10 mod for fun (and out of spite)
but i don't think that's going to happen, although i've done it
before and i might be able to use that environment but i doubt
it
<Kleadron>
i kinda want to make a basic 1.7.10 mod for fun (and out of spite)
but i don't think that's going to happen, although i've done it
before and i might be able to use that environment but i doubt
itL294[05:46:25] <Kleadron>
didn't work, didn't really have anything in it for some
reason
<Kleadron>
didn't work, didn't really have anything in it for some
reasonL295[05:47:42] <Kleadron>
payonel, any way you could help me get a forge environment setup
for 1.7.10 or at least point me in the right direction? or is that
just a big waste of time
<Kleadron>
payonel, any way you could help me get a forge environment setup
for 1.7.10 or at least point me in the right direction? or is that
just a big waste of timeL296[05:52:29] <The_Stargazer> Kleadron: why spite?
<The_Stargazer> Kleadron: why spite?L297[05:52:34] <The_Stargazer> spite for Forge dropping
1.7.10?
<The_Stargazer> spite for Forge dropping
1.7.10?L298[05:55:05] <The_Stargazer> Izaya: now would be the
time to say your goodbyes to the live copy of ariri's server
world
<The_Stargazer> Izaya: now would be the
time to say your goodbyes to the live copy of ariri's server
worldL299[05:55:20] <The_Stargazer> and I mean right now
<The_Stargazer> and I mean right nowL300[05:56:31] <Kleadron>
"why spite?" for those people telling me to update
:)
<Kleadron>
"why spite?" for those people telling me to update
:)L301[05:56:44] <The_Stargazer> ah
<The_Stargazer> ahL302[05:57:00] <The_Stargazer> those who don't understand
that 1.7.10 is the One True Version
<The_Stargazer> those who don't understand
that 1.7.10 is the One True VersionL303[05:58:48] <Kleadron>
yes
<Kleadron>
yesL304[06:00:19] <ThePiGuy24> imo 1.8.9 is the best
version, but 1.7.10 is pretty much as good
<ThePiGuy24> imo 1.8.9 is the best
version, but 1.7.10 is pretty much as goodL305[06:00:37] <Ocawesome101> nah man
<Ocawesome101> nah manL306[06:00:40] <Ocawesome101> 1.13.2
<Ocawesome101> 1.13.2L307[06:00:43] <Ocawesome101> for modding 1.12.2
<Ocawesome101> for modding 1.12.2L308[06:00:51] <Kleadron>
how
<Kleadron>
howL309[06:01:30] <ThePiGuy24> 1.9 is where mojang started
changing it too much
<ThePiGuy24> 1.9 is where mojang started
changing it too muchL310[06:01:33] <The_Stargazer> @ThePiGuy24 oh god
yes
<The_Stargazer> @ThePiGuy24 oh god
yesL311[06:01:39] <The_Stargazer> i have so many 1.8.9
memories
<The_Stargazer> i have so many 1.8.9
memoriesL312[06:02:00] <The_Stargazer> its a hard tie between
1.8.9, 1.7.2 and 1.7.10 for "most memories"
<The_Stargazer> its a hard tie between
1.8.9, 1.7.2 and 1.7.10 for "most memories"L313[06:03:03] <ThePiGuy24> i have most memories of 1.6.4
as for quite a while i had a pentium 4 xp machine that wouldnt
launch anything above that
<ThePiGuy24> i have most memories of 1.6.4
as for quite a while i had a pentium 4 xp machine that wouldnt
launch anything above thatL314[06:03:15] <The_Stargazer> pentium 4? oof
<The_Stargazer> pentium 4? oofL315[06:03:29] <The_Stargazer> %s/pentium 4/intel
<The_Stargazer> %s/pentium 4/intelL316[06:03:29] <MichiBot>
<The_Stargazer> intel? oof
L317[06:03:30] <Kleadron>
my pentium 4 machine could run 1.14.4 with optifine
<Kleadron>
my pentium 4 machine could run 1.14.4 with optifineL318[06:03:38] <ThePiGuy24> by quite a while i mean i was
still stuck on 1.6.4 even when 1.8.9 was out
<ThePiGuy24> by quite a while i mean i was
still stuck on 1.6.4 even when 1.8.9 was outL319[06:03:56] <ThePiGuy24> i didnt know about mods back
then
<ThePiGuy24> i didnt know about mods back
thenL320[06:04:05] <The_Stargazer> 1.6.4 has great mods
<The_Stargazer> 1.6.4 has great modsL321[06:04:13] <Kleadron>
i'm gonna have to agree with you pi guy about the version thing
because 1.8.9 afaik had a bunch of technical improvements and
doesn't have the new combat, unfortunately nearly nobody makes mods
for it :(
<Kleadron>
i'm gonna have to agree with you pi guy about the version thing
because 1.8.9 afaik had a bunch of technical improvements and
doesn't have the new combat, unfortunately nearly nobody makes mods
for it :(L322[06:04:47] <Kleadron>
i wonder if the dev environment for 1.8.9 still works
<Kleadron>
i wonder if the dev environment for 1.8.9 still worksL323[06:05:01] <ThePiGuy24> oc for 1.8.9 :p
<ThePiGuy24> oc for 1.8.9 :pL324[06:07:03] <Kleadron>
i somehow think backporting the 1.12 / 1.10 version to 1.8.9 would
be easier than porting the 1.7.10 version to it because of a lot of
the differences between 1.7, and 1.12 might be more similar
<Kleadron>
i somehow think backporting the 1.12 / 1.10 version to 1.8.9 would
be easier than porting the 1.7.10 version to it because of a lot of
the differences between 1.7, and 1.12 might be more similarL325[06:07:29] <Kleadron>
i may also be horribly wrong
<Kleadron>
i may also be horribly wrongL326[06:07:43] <The_Stargazer> you probably are :P
<The_Stargazer> you probably are :PL327[06:07:44] ⇦
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L328[06:08:02] <The_Stargazer> 1.12.2 and 1.8.9 would
have major differences
<The_Stargazer> 1.12.2 and 1.8.9 would
have major differencesL329[06:08:11] <The_Stargazer> probably more so than
1.7.10
<The_Stargazer> probably more so than
1.7.10L330[06:08:31] <Kleadron>
scratch that then
<Kleadron>
scratch that thenL331[06:15:28] <Kleadron>
does anyone want to start a little community for 1.7.10/1.8.9
modding, unless that already exists?
<Kleadron>
does anyone want to start a little community for 1.7.10/1.8.9
modding, unless that already exists?L332[06:32:58] <Kleadron>
i'll take the silence as a "probably not", but
suprisingly you can still set up a 1.8.9 forge environment with no
issues
<Kleadron>
i'll take the silence as a "probably not", but
suprisingly you can still set up a 1.8.9 forge environment with no
issuesL333[06:41:06] ⇦
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L334[06:50:53] <ben_mkiv> i'm in
L335[06:51:03] <ben_mkiv> let's make a mod
that deletes 1.7.10 and installs 1.15.2+
L336[06:53:33] <ThePiGuy24> other way round
<ThePiGuy24> other way roundL337[06:54:46] <ben_mkiv> so you mean
install 1.15.2 and delete 1.7.10?
L338[06:55:19] <ThePiGuy24> no, delete 1.15.2 and install
1.7.10
<ThePiGuy24> no, delete 1.15.2 and install
1.7.10L339[06:55:36] <ben_mkiv> i think you
missed the point
L340[06:56:45] <Kleadron>
good luck getting the dev envrionment to work
<Kleadron>
good luck getting the dev envrionment to workL341[06:57:11] <ThePiGuy24> OC for 1.2.5
<ThePiGuy24> OC for 1.2.5L342[06:57:12] <Kleadron>
i'm not sure what i'm doing with 1.8.9 when there's really no mods
for it though
<Kleadron>
i'm not sure what i'm doing with 1.8.9 when there's really no mods
for it thoughL343[06:57:24] <Kleadron>
1.2.5
<Kleadron>
1.2.5L344[06:57:37] <Kleadron>
i'd love to try to mod that
<Kleadron>
i'd love to try to mod thatL345[06:57:41] <ThePiGuy24> i still play tekkit classic
from time to time
<ThePiGuy24> i still play tekkit classic
from time to timeL346[06:58:06] <Kleadron>
i think 1.2.5 is the best in that it doesn't use an internal
server
<Kleadron>
i think 1.2.5 is the best in that it doesn't use an internal
serverL347[07:34:38] <Ariri>
Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/uyeyehavaj
<Ariri>
Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/uyeyehavajL348[07:36:13] <Kleadron>
what's this server you speak of?
<Kleadron>
what's this server you speak of?L349[07:36:29] <Ariri>
Blowing up!
<Ariri>
Blowing up!L350[07:36:29] <Kleadron>
what does it serve
<Kleadron>
what does it serveL351[07:36:34] <Kleadron>
oh
<Kleadron>
ohL352[07:36:36] <Kleadron>
fair enough
<Kleadron>
fair enoughL353[07:36:52] <Ariri>
7(?) month old server that’s been dying of negligence
<Ariri>
7(?) month old server that’s been dying of negligenceL354[07:36:59] <Ariri>
Custom dw20 pack
<Ariri>
Custom dw20 packL355[07:37:25] <Kleadron>
sounds cool
<Kleadron>
sounds coolL356[07:37:52] <Ariri>
It’s both sad and satisfying to see sections of my base sliced up
with antimatter
<Ariri>
It’s both sad and satisfying to see sections of my base sliced up
with antimatterL357[07:38:21] <The_Stargazer> there's still mine to
go
<The_Stargazer> there's still mine to
goL358[07:47:49]
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L360[07:49:29] <asie> thanks for letting
me know payo
L361[07:52:38] <Saghetti> whats the range
for remote terminals?
L362[07:53:24] <Saghetti> also i wonder if
any software exists for making an in-game mainframe
L363[07:54:12] <Saghetti> that would be
really neat
L364[07:55:51] <The_Stargazer> Saghetti: you missed the
action
<The_Stargazer> Saghetti: you missed the
actionL365[07:56:15] <Saghetti> dang it
L366[07:56:25] <Saghetti> by how
much?
L367[07:56:35] <Saghetti> and also what
was it
L368[07:56:53] <Saghetti> oh nvm
L369[07:57:10] <Saghetti> the minecraft
server
L370[07:57:35] <Saghetti> i thought you
meant irc
L371[08:01:58] <The_Stargazer> you missed
EVERYTHING
<The_Stargazer> you missed
EVERYTHINGL372[08:06:35] <The_Stargazer> The original AririCraft
server is officially over
<The_Stargazer> The original AririCraft
server is officially overL373[08:06:36] <The_Stargazer> o/
<The_Stargazer> o/L374[08:06:57] <The_Stargazer> ...and now I know what to
call the pack.
<The_Stargazer> ...and now I know what to
call the pack.L375[08:07:32] <Ariri> And
thats the end of it
<Ariri> And
thats the end of itL376[08:08:05] <Ariri> The
saddest death was my wolf teleporting next to me on top of my force
field and dying from the shock wave
<Ariri> The
saddest death was my wolf teleporting next to me on top of my force
field and dying from the shock waveL377[08:08:05] <The_Stargazer> it was fun playing with OP
items; but now there's a new pack and a new world
<The_Stargazer> it was fun playing with OP
items; but now there's a new pack and a new worldL378[08:08:11] <The_Stargazer> oh..
<The_Stargazer> oh..L379[08:08:13] <The_Stargazer> F for the wolf
<The_Stargazer> F for the wolfL380[08:08:16] <Ariri>
F
<Ariri>
FL381[08:08:19] <The_Stargazer> also: you had a
wolf?
<The_Stargazer> also: you had a
wolf?L382[08:08:37] <The_Stargazer> oh, yeah
<The_Stargazer> oh, yeahL383[08:08:39] <Ariri>
Yeah, it was my last line of defense
<Ariri>
Yeah, it was my last line of defenseL384[08:08:40] <The_Stargazer> the wolf in the
basement
<The_Stargazer> the wolf in the
basementL385[08:08:45] <Ariri> My
faithful companion
<Ariri> My
faithful companionL386[08:09:02] <The_Stargazer> I guess the old saying
"The captain goes down with his ship" holds true
<The_Stargazer> I guess the old saying
"The captain goes down with his ship" holds trueL387[08:09:25] <Ariri> He
defended it with his life
<Ariri> He
defended it with his lifeL388[08:09:29] <Ariri>
o7
<Ariri>
o7L389[08:09:33] <The_Stargazer> o7
<The_Stargazer> o7L390[08:09:50] <The_Stargazer> i even thought he was
sitting
<The_Stargazer> i even thought he was
sittingL391[08:09:59] <The_Stargazer> afaik, sitting wolves
don't TP
<The_Stargazer> afaik, sitting wolves
don't TPL392[08:10:03] <Ariri> He
was, strangely enough
<Ariri> He
was, strangely enoughL393[08:10:03] <The_Stargazer> maybe he took damage
<The_Stargazer> maybe he took damageL394[08:10:12] <The_Stargazer> i think they un-sit if
they take damage
<The_Stargazer> i think they un-sit if
they take damageL395[08:10:20] <Ariri>
Might be, but that part of the lab didnt explode yet
<Ariri>
Might be, but that part of the lab didnt explode yetL396[08:10:23] <Ariri>
maybe shock damage
<Ariri>
maybe shock damageL397[08:10:23] <The_Stargazer> yeah
<The_Stargazer> yeahL398[08:10:26] <The_Stargazer> probably
<The_Stargazer> probablyL399[08:10:27] ⇦
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L400[08:10:55] <The_Stargazer> well
<The_Stargazer> wellL401[08:11:00] <The_Stargazer> i've now named the
pack
<The_Stargazer> i've now named the
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L403[08:11:37] <The_Stargazer> it is time for Phase 2:
Configuration Configurating
<The_Stargazer> it is time for Phase 2:
Configuration ConfiguratingL404[08:11:37] <The_Stargazer> you happy with the
modlist?
<The_Stargazer> you happy with the
modlist?L405[08:12:15]
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L406[08:12:16] <Ariri>
lemme take a peek, but ive gotta leek and sleep soon :P
<Ariri>
lemme take a peek, but ive gotta leek and sleep soon :PL407[08:12:29] <The_Stargazer> aight
<The_Stargazer> aightL408[08:12:32] <The_Stargazer> it's in the revision
<The_Stargazer> it's in the revisionL409[08:12:43] <The_Stargazer> `Rev 0.1.zip`
<The_Stargazer> `Rev 0.1.zip`L410[08:13:14] <Ariri>
Dling now
<Ariri>
Dling nowL411[08:13:18] <Ariri>
DLing now [Edited]
<Ariri>
DLing now [Edited]L412[08:13:23] <The_Stargazer> 👍
<The_Stargazer> 👍L413[08:14:12] <Kleadron>
"And thats the end of it"
<Kleadron>
"And thats the end of it"L414[08:14:12] <Kleadron>
is that the end of the minecraft server, like for good?
<Kleadron>
is that the end of the minecraft server, like for good?L415[08:14:12] <Kleadron>
i kinda wanted to play on it
<Kleadron>
i kinda wanted to play on itL416[08:14:26] <The_Stargazer> nope
<The_Stargazer> nopeL417[08:14:31] <The_Stargazer> just the end of the first
one
<The_Stargazer> just the end of the first
oneL418[08:14:39] <The_Stargazer> a new pack is gonna be
released
<The_Stargazer> a new pack is gonna be
releasedL419[08:14:46] <Kleadron>
what version of mc
<Kleadron>
what version of mcL420[08:14:55] <The_Stargazer> 1.12.2, since it uses DW20
as a base
<The_Stargazer> 1.12.2, since it uses DW20
as a baseL421[08:15:10] <The_Stargazer> unfortunately nobody plays
1.7.10 servers anymore
<The_Stargazer> unfortunately nobody plays
1.7.10 servers anymoreL422[08:15:40] <Kleadron>
don't make me turn my windows xp minecraft 1.2.5 server into a
1.7.10 server out of spite 👀
<Kleadron>
don't make me turn my windows xp minecraft 1.2.5 server into a
1.7.10 server out of spite 👀L423[08:16:01] <Ariri> It
had been going on for about 7 months now, it was time to call it.
After so many updates and additions it was barely holding
together
<Ariri> It
had been going on for about 7 months now, it was time to call it.
After so many updates and additions it was barely holding
togetherL424[08:16:30] <Ariri> But
the new one will be better, I'll implement more server automation
and faster stuff. Hopefully more stability
<Ariri> But
the new one will be better, I'll implement more server automation
and faster stuff. Hopefully more stabilityL425[08:16:38] <Ariri> Now
that I have time to play :D
<Ariri> Now
that I have time to play :DL426[08:17:23] <Ariri>
The_Stargazer: Looks good, could you just make a change log as you
go along? just to keep track
<Ariri>
The_Stargazer: Looks good, could you just make a change log as you
go along? just to keep trackL427[08:18:23] <The_Stargazer> Will do
<The_Stargazer> Will doL428[08:18:44] <The_Stargazer> I'll make a note every
time I release a revision with the additions or changes
<The_Stargazer> I'll make a note every
time I release a revision with the additions or changesL429[08:19:29] <Ariri>
Sounds good. Im not sure if the server and client configs were
matched up, so just keep a record on that too
<Ariri>
Sounds good. Im not sure if the server and client configs were
matched up, so just keep a record on that tooL430[08:19:46] <Ariri> If
theres anything to do there, Ill do that
<Ariri> If
theres anything to do there, Ill do thatL431[08:19:47] <The_Stargazer> Will do
<The_Stargazer> Will doL432[08:19:51] <The_Stargazer> aight
<The_Stargazer> aightL434[08:20:53] <Ariri> Ill
upload the latest server and worlds to my file server and share it
here, same password as the original pack download.
<Ariri> Ill
upload the latest server and worlds to my file server and share it
here, same password as the original pack download.L435[08:22:10] <Ariri> Or
I could make it public, is there any harm in sharing those
files?
<Ariri> Or
I could make it public, is there any harm in sharing those
files?L436[08:22:18] <Ariri> any
security risks?
<Ariri> any
security risks?L437[08:22:46] <The_Stargazer> shouldn't be
<The_Stargazer> shouldn't beL438[08:22:49] <Kleadron>
credit card information
<Kleadron>
credit card informationL439[08:23:03] <The_Stargazer> if you're storing that
with Minecraft info there are bigger problems :P
<The_Stargazer> if you're storing that
with Minecraft info there are bigger problems :PL440[08:23:43] <Kleadron>
are you telling me you don't
<Kleadron>
are you telling me you don'tL441[08:23:44] <Ariri>
24gb... lmao
<Ariri>
24gb... lmaoL442[08:24:25] <The_Stargazer> Kleadron: nope, I have
nothing to store!
<The_Stargazer> Kleadron: nope, I have
nothing to store!L443[08:34:21] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L444[08:34:21] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket!
SquidDev! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 20 minutes
and 19 seconds (By 8 hours, 26 minutes and 4 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L445[08:34:22] <MichiBot> SquidDev has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points!
plus 0.016 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
0.53889, Position #4 Need 0.13656 more points to pass Lizzy!
L446[08:36:27] <The_Stargazer> %tonk
<The_Stargazer> %tonkL447[08:36:28] <MichiBot> Dagnammit!
The_Stargazer! You beat SquidDev's previous record of <0 (By 2
minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L448[08:36:29] <MichiBot> The_Stargazer's
new record is 2 minutes and 6 seconds! The_Stargazer also gained
0.00004 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #9. Need
0.09986 more points to pass DaComputerNerd!
L449[08:36:50] <The_Stargazer> @Ariri Stage 2:
"Configuration Configurating" complete!
<The_Stargazer> @Ariri Stage 2:
"Configuration Configurating" complete!L450[08:37:05] <The_Stargazer> i'll send you the config'd
pack, have a play with it
<The_Stargazer> i'll send you the config'd
pack, have a play with itL451[08:37:08] <Forecaster> now to reticulate
splines
<Forecaster> now to reticulate
splinesL452[08:37:22] <The_Stargazer> Forecaster: did that in
stage one
<The_Stargazer> Forecaster: did that in
stage oneL455[08:44:41] <Forecaster> This is super useful
<Forecaster> This is super usefulL456[08:46:50] <The_Stargazer> > mctycoon
<The_Stargazer> > mctycoonL457[08:46:50] <The_Stargazer> concern
<The_Stargazer> concernL458[08:47:07] <The_Stargazer> also
<The_Stargazer> alsoL459[08:47:12] <The_Stargazer> > .php
<The_Stargazer> > .phpL460[08:47:12] <The_Stargazer> more concern
<The_Stargazer> more concernL461[08:49:04] <Kleadron>
operating system that runs on php 🤔
<Kleadron>
operating system that runs on php 🤔L462[08:49:41] <Forecaster> nothing to be concerned
about, just railcraft server season 2 stuff
<Forecaster> nothing to be concerned
about, just railcraft server season 2 stuffL463[08:49:42] <The_Stargazer> the most cursed
thing
<The_Stargazer> the most cursed
thingL464[08:49:54] <The_Stargazer> ok what part of
"tycoon" is "railcraft server"
<The_Stargazer> ok what part of
"tycoon" is "railcraft server"L465[08:49:56] <The_Stargazer> also it's php
<The_Stargazer> also it's phpL466[08:50:15] <Forecaster> the part I'm working on
:P
<Forecaster> the part I'm working on
:PL467[08:50:25] <The_Stargazer> mmhmm
<The_Stargazer> mmhmmL468[08:50:27] <The_Stargazer> i am concern
<The_Stargazer> i am concernL469[08:54:02] <Forecaster> nope, nothing suspicious
here
<Forecaster> nope, nothing suspicious
hereL470[08:55:44] <The_Stargazer> that makes me even MORE
concern!
<The_Stargazer> that makes me even MORE
concern!L471[09:02:19] <Forecaster> makes no sense
<Forecaster> makes no senseL472[09:05:24] ⇦
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L473[09:19:10] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL474[09:19:11] <MichiBot> You drink a
viscous stainless steel potion (New!). Forecaster's toes turn
invisible for 4 hours.
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L486[12:11:31] <SquidDev> %tonk
L487[12:11:32] <MichiBot> By my throth!
SquidDev! You beat The_Stargazer's previous record of 2 minutes
and 6 seconds (By 3 hours, 32 minutes and 57 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L488[12:11:33] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new
record is 3 hours, 35 minutes and 3 seconds! SquidDev also gained
0.00355 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need
0.13301 more points to pass Lizzy!
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L490[12:13:56] <Kristopher38> @Ariri @Ocawesome101 Has
put together a pack designed for old-school raiding, although I see
that you want something different than what we've got, basically
our idea was to make things hard to make to incentivize raiding,
and defense and offense should be balanced (no stuff that would
make players overpowered, no stuff that would make it possible to
transfer the entire base's contents somewhere else)
<Kristopher38> @Ariri @Ocawesome101 Has
put together a pack designed for old-school raiding, although I see
that you want something different than what we've got, basically
our idea was to make things hard to make to incentivize raiding,
and defense and offense should be balanced (no stuff that would
make players overpowered, no stuff that would make it possible to
transfer the entire base's contents somewhere else)L491[12:15:56] <Lizzy> NU
L492[12:16:09] <Lizzy> no stealy my tonk
posistion!
L493[12:18:59] <stephan48> why noty?
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L498[13:51:22] <The_Stargazer> i am happy
<The_Stargazer> i am happyL499[13:51:28] <The_Stargazer> i just found an OC user
"in the wild"
<The_Stargazer> i just found an OC user
"in the wild"L500[13:51:42] <The_Stargazer> that's not a common thing
afaik
<The_Stargazer> that's not a common thing
afaikL501[13:59:00]
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L505[14:01:15] <tcfun> ooga
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L507[14:02:38] <The_Stargazer> wat
<The_Stargazer> watL508[14:24:34] ⇦
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L510[14:37:09] <Amanda> Inari: don't
worry, this definately didn't happen last night: <+MichiBot>
You fling a mutable tan potion (New!) that splashes onto inari.
inari turns into an octiron frog girl until they have an
apple.
L511[14:37:16] <Amanda> In other news,
I've removed all the apples from your house.
L512[14:43:37] <The_Stargazer> thoughts on my new (and
organized!) desktop layout? http://tinyurl.com/ybfr726s
<The_Stargazer> thoughts on my new (and
organized!) desktop layout? http://tinyurl.com/ybfr726sL513[14:44:05] <The_Stargazer> i've got my programs
grouped into categories so i can find them easy
<The_Stargazer> i've got my programs
grouped into categories so i can find them easyL514[14:44:10]
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L515[14:44:29] <Forecaster> I haven't used my desktop in
years now, except for displaying images
<Forecaster> I haven't used my desktop in
years now, except for displaying imagesL516[14:44:35] <The_Stargazer> wait, what
<The_Stargazer> wait, whatL517[14:45:05] <Ocawesome101> Too much windows
<Ocawesome101> Too much windowsL518[14:45:35] <The_Stargazer> I know
<The_Stargazer> I knowL519[14:45:40] <The_Stargazer> Not my laptop tho
<The_Stargazer> Not my laptop thoL520[14:45:46] <Inari> Amanda: rude
L521[14:45:50] <Forecaster> shortcuts in the start menu,
folders in the sidebar
<Forecaster> shortcuts in the start menu,
folders in the sidebarL522[14:45:53] <Inari> %splash
Amanda
L523[14:45:53] <MichiBot> You fling a
viscous blue potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda feels
like a champion!
L524[14:45:57] <Bob>
windows 😢
<Bob>
windows 😢L525[14:45:58] <Forecaster> don't need to minimize
anything to get to it
<Forecaster> don't need to minimize
anything to get to itL526[14:45:59] <Amanda> :D
L527[14:46:01] <Amanda> I won!
L528[14:46:09] <Forecaster> the desktop is not very
useful
<Forecaster> the desktop is not very
usefulL529[14:46:18] <Inari> Lame
L530[14:46:18] <The_Stargazer> Amanda: I would say you
won the lewdness award, but Inari wins that.
<The_Stargazer> Amanda: I would say you
won the lewdness award, but Inari wins that.L531[14:46:20] <Ocawesome101> I don’t really use my
desktop for anything tbh
<Ocawesome101> I don’t really use my
desktop for anything tbhL532[14:46:33] <The_Stargazer> Inari always wins
the lewdness award.
<The_Stargazer> Inari always wins
the lewdness award.L533[14:46:36] <Ocawesome101> I have Ulauncher installed
so I can still launch things pretty fast
<Ocawesome101> I have Ulauncher installed
so I can still launch things pretty fastL534[14:46:42] <Amanda> My desktop
background is the awesomewm default one. I've not bothered to
change it, since I never see it really
L535[14:46:47] <The_Stargazer> Ulaunch..what?
<The_Stargazer> Ulaunch..what?L536[14:47:09] <Amanda> https://ulauncher.io/
L537[14:47:12] <Inari> %splash
@The_Stargazer
L538[14:47:13] <MichiBot> You fling a
resonating iron potion (New!) that splashes onto @The_Stargazer. A
Toxictop bow appears next to @The_Stargazer.
L539[14:47:14] <Amanda> I use that
too
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L541[14:47:30] <The_Stargazer> Bad Inari!
<The_Stargazer> Bad Inari!L542[14:47:33] <The_Stargazer> %splash Inari
<The_Stargazer> %splash InariL543[14:47:33] <MichiBot> You fling a
sedimented solarium potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari
feels the need to use "%fling".
L544[14:47:41] <The_Stargazer> %tonk
<The_Stargazer> %tonkL545[14:47:41] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
The_Stargazer, you were not able to beat SquidDev's record of 3
hours, 35 minutes and 3 seconds this time. 2 hours, 36 minutes and
9 seconds were wasted! Missed by 58 minutes and 54 seconds!
L546[14:47:48] <The_Stargazer> oh rip
<The_Stargazer> oh ripL547[14:50:00] <Ocawesome101> Amanda: oh nice
<Ocawesome101> Amanda: oh niceL548[14:50:17] <Inari> %fling
@The_Stargazer
L549[14:50:17] <MichiBot> Inari flings
@The_Stargazer in a random direction. It hits progwml6 in their
spleen. They take 1d4 => 2 damage!
L550[14:50:48] <The_Stargazer> wait
<The_Stargazer> waitL551[14:50:57] <The_Stargazer> > You fling a
resonating iron potion (New!) that splashes onto @TheStargazer. A
Toxictop bow appears next to @TheStargazer.
<The_Stargazer> > You fling a
resonating iron potion (New!) that splashes onto @TheStargazer. A
Toxictop bow appears next to @TheStargazer.L552[14:50:57] <The_Stargazer> no ping
<The_Stargazer> no pingL553[14:51:07] <The_Stargazer> but the latest michibot
message.. ping?
<The_Stargazer> but the latest michibot
message.. ping?L554[14:51:10] <The_Stargazer> 🤔
<The_Stargazer> 🤔L555[14:51:29] <Forecaster> because there was a period at
the end
<Forecaster> because there was a period at
the endL556[14:51:36] <The_Stargazer> Oh
<The_Stargazer> OhL557[14:52:02] <Forecaster> pings only work if the name
ends with a space
<Forecaster> pings only work if the name
ends with a spaceL558[14:52:11] <The_Stargazer> Oh.
<The_Stargazer> Oh.L559[14:52:18] <Inari> Periods are
evil
L560[14:53:15] <The_Stargazer> %stab period
<The_Stargazer> %stab periodL561[14:53:16] <MichiBot> The_Stargazer
is stabbing period with attempt to index nil value for 1d4 => 2
damage! For all of attempt to index nil value's flaws, it's biggest
was that it no longer exists.
L562[14:53:30] <The_Stargazer> > For all of attempt to
index nil value's flaws, it's biggest was that it no longer
exists.
<The_Stargazer> > For all of attempt to
index nil value's flaws, it's biggest was that it no longer
exists.L563[14:53:37] <The_Stargazer> that.. could not be more
perfect.
<The_Stargazer> that.. could not be more
perfect.L564[14:58:44] <DaComputerNerd> lol
<DaComputerNerd> lolL565[15:01:42] <Forecaster> huh, only two and about a
half columns of icons on my desktop, not as bad as I expected
<Forecaster> huh, only two and about a
half columns of icons on my desktop, not as bad as I expectedL566[15:02:36] <Forecaster> and hide icons again and now
I probably wont see those again for several years
<Forecaster> and hide icons again and now
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L568[15:25:32] <BrisingrAerowing> @Ariri For total war,
you might like TechGuns.
<BrisingrAerowing> @Ariri For total war,
you might like TechGuns.L569[15:26:17] <BrisingrAerowing> Lots of cool guns and
other miscellaneous materials of war.
<BrisingrAerowing> Lots of cool guns and
other miscellaneous materials of war.L570[15:26:25] <Ocawesome101> Heck yes
<Ocawesome101> Heck yesL571[15:26:56] <Ocawesome101> Perhaps NuclearCraft
Overhauled, ICBM Classic, and Trinity
<Ocawesome101> Perhaps NuclearCraft
Overhauled, ICBM Classic, and TrinityL572[15:27:05] <BrisingrAerowing> My current pack is
based around IE and various addons, and also includes a number of
decoration / building mods.
<BrisingrAerowing> My current pack is
based around IE and various addons, and also includes a number of
decoration / building mods.L573[15:27:35] <BrisingrAerowing> It also has Fossils and
Archeology Revived. I plan on using it and ZAWA for building a
zoo.
<BrisingrAerowing> It also has Fossils and
Archeology Revived. I plan on using it and ZAWA for building a
zoo.L574[15:28:56] <BrisingrAerowing> I'm designing a very
tech based pack with a ton of weapons as well.
<BrisingrAerowing> I'm designing a very
tech based pack with a ton of weapons as well.L575[15:30:16] <BrisingrAerowing> Open Modular Turrets is
also a fun mod.
<BrisingrAerowing> Open Modular Turrets is
also a fun mod.L576[15:34:55] <Ocawesome101> Got that in mine too
<Ocawesome101> Got that in mine tooL577[15:35:13] <Bob>
nuclearcraft is lit af
<Bob>
nuclearcraft is lit afL578[15:35:16] <DaComputerNerd> indeed
<DaComputerNerd> indeedL579[15:35:23] <DaComputerNerd> the overhaul is fun but
unfinished
<DaComputerNerd> the overhaul is fun but
unfinishedL580[15:35:51] <BrisingrAerowing> I have QMD installed as
well. It adds a particle accelerator.
<BrisingrAerowing> I have QMD installed as
well. It adds a particle accelerator.L581[15:35:58] <BrisingrAerowing> Among other planned
things.
<BrisingrAerowing> Among other planned
things.L582[15:50:55]
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L584[16:05:31] <Amanda> %choose scrap or
cubes
L585[16:05:31] <MichiBot> Amanda: The
sands of time whisper to me... they're saying
"cubes".
L586[16:05:42] <Amanda> %choose lua cubes
or java cubes
L587[16:05:43] <MichiBot> Amanda: The
proof is in the pudding. Definitely "lua cubes". Now
please get it out of my pudding.
L588[16:05:48] <Amanda> never~
L589[16:05:51] *
Amanda noms the pudding
L590[16:08:02] <Ocawesome101> hmm
<Ocawesome101> hmmL591[16:08:14] <Ocawesome101> so how exactly does
executable signature verification work?
<Ocawesome101> so how exactly does
executable signature verification work?L592[16:19:19] <Amanda> key shenanagins I
don't pretend to understand
L593[16:19:53] <Amanda> the
"signature" is basically just metadata tacked into the
executable though
L594[16:24:42] <t20kdc> Amanda: block =
block[16][16][16] as node // cryptic wars of being cryptic are
fun
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L596[16:34:43] <Blue_595> i was told a
while ago that Ender IO contained FMP Integration in some way
L597[16:34:57] <Blue_595> it isnt working
right now and i dont know how to enable it
L598[16:35:05] <DaComputerNerd> i wonder, what OC version
is the new gpu stuff going to be in
<DaComputerNerd> i wonder, what OC version
is the new gpu stuff going to be inL599[16:35:22] <Ocawesome101> fairly soon once the kinks
are worked out probably
<Ocawesome101> fairly soon once the kinks
are worked out probablyL600[16:35:30] <Forecaster> 1.7.10 and up
<Forecaster> 1.7.10 and upL601[16:35:36] <Ocawesome101> and it's already in the dev
builds
<Ocawesome101> and it's already in the dev
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L603[16:38:15] <DaComputerNerd> so basically the answer
is "the next one"
<DaComputerNerd> so basically the answer
is "the next one"L604[16:38:50] <Blue_595> is there a
substitute for FMP Integration for 1.12.2
L605[16:39:10] <DaComputerNerd> FMP?
<DaComputerNerd> FMP?L606[16:39:21] <Forecaster> Forge MultiPart
<Forecaster> Forge MultiPartL607[16:39:23] <Blue_595> Forge Multipart
(microblocks and stuff) Integration
L608[16:39:36] <Blue_595> CurseForge says
that mod is only available for up to 1.7.10
L609[16:39:53] <DaComputerNerd> they're asking for a
substitute
<DaComputerNerd> they're asking for a
substituteL610[16:40:02] <DaComputerNerd> oh you said that
lol
<DaComputerNerd> oh you said that
lolL611[16:40:05] <DaComputerNerd> nothing wrong with my
head
<DaComputerNerd> nothing wrong with my
headL612[16:40:13] <Blue_595> yeah
L613[16:40:20] <DaComputerNerd> what did it do?
<DaComputerNerd> what did it do?L614[16:40:28] <Forecaster> didn't it get integrated into
forge itself after starting out as a separate mod?
<Forecaster> didn't it get integrated into
forge itself after starting out as a separate mod?L615[16:40:34] <Blue_595> made all modded
blocks work in Forge MicroPart
L616[16:40:55] <DaComputerNerd> i think it might just be
part of FMP now
<DaComputerNerd> i think it might just be
part of FMP nowL617[16:41:22] <Amanda> Blue_595: facades
are a hot mess in MC, different versions, even inside the same MC
version, was adding and removing support for it. I had all my RS
wires destroyed by such a change in 1.10
L618[16:42:05] <Blue_595> im using
multi-part CBE for some reason
L619[16:42:42] <Amanda> There's been
attempts to get multi-part built into forge itself, like how ore
dict / fluids were, but I think they fell flat, judging from 1.15's
facade story
L620[16:43:02] <Blue_595> im using
1.12.2
L621[16:43:05] <Blue_595> not 1.15
L622[16:43:32] <Amanda> I didn'tthink you
were using 1.15, I'm just saying several forge versions / releases
later, it's not been integrated
L623[16:43:34] <Forecaster> also power
<Forecaster> also powerL624[16:43:55] <Amanda> Power! That was
the other one.
L625[16:44:00] <Amanda> Oredict turned
vanilla, with Tags.
L626[16:44:33] <Blue_595> does such a
substitute even exist
L627[16:44:40] <Blue_595> or do i have to
stick with the 1.7.10 modpack
L628[16:46:36] <Amanda> Ive just accepted
that there's no universal facade solution
L629[16:46:42] <Amanda> Ender IO adds it's
own facades.
L630[16:47:23] <Blue_595> yes but i want
to be able to put a Project Red logic gate in the same block as a
microblock cover for the next board
L631[16:50:05] <Inari> %sip
L632[16:50:06] <MichiBot> You drink a
thick aether potion (New!). Inari turns into a green wolf goat girl
until they exit the room.
L633[16:50:15] <Inari> baaaahwoooo
L634[16:50:41] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL635[16:50:42] <MichiBot> You drink a
basic bombastium potion (New!). The bottle turns into an
apple.
L636[16:50:59] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> bakes it into a tiny pie
L637[16:52:39] *
Blue_595 is considering adding Chisels and Bits. Is Chisel supposed
to have a recipe for cyan stained clay by default?
L638[16:53:37] <Bob>
EWWW
<Bob>
EWWWL639[16:53:39] <Bob>
LittleTiles man
<Bob>
LittleTiles manL640[16:54:28] <Blue_595> oh
L641[16:55:21] <Blue_595> it seems like
its own microblock mod
L642[16:55:54] <Amanda> C&B can
integrate with FMP
L643[16:56:11] <Ocawesome101> LittleTiles is neat, though
redstone is broken last I checked
<Ocawesome101> LittleTiles is neat, though
redstone is broken last I checkedL644[17:08:38] <Blue_595> ComputerCraft
cables dont fit through FMP facades -_-
L645[17:09:03] <DaComputerNerd> what about OC ones
<DaComputerNerd> what about OC onesL646[17:11:04] <Blue_595> they do
L647[17:11:08] <Blue_595> but not CC
L648[17:11:29] <Blue_595> well OC cables
work because im back in the 1.7.10 modpack, where i have FMP
integration
L649[17:11:36] <Blue_595> in the 1.12.2
modpack it wasnt working
L650[17:11:59] <Amanda> I don't think FMP
was added back in 1.12 OC yet, since the FMP mod took awhileto
update
L651[17:12:12] <payonel>
someone should PR that
<payonel>
someone should PR thatL652[17:12:15] <payonel>
that'd be great
<payonel>
that'd be greatL653[17:13:25] <Vexaton> well on 1.12 you
have MCMP2 instead
L654[17:14:11] <Blue_595> oh
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L656[17:24:47] <Blue_595> oh uh
L657[17:24:50] <Blue_595> a late o/ to
you
L658[17:28:00] <Blue_595> oh well thanks
my freaking brain
L659[17:28:17] <Blue_595> now i have to
make an elevator
L660[17:34:45] <Blue_595> cant be too bad
right?
L661[17:34:52] <Blue_595> loads of
redstone engineers have made elevators in the pas
L662[17:34:53] <Blue_595> t
L663[17:36:43] <Forecaster> just put a bunch of TNT on
the ground, then stand on top of it
<Forecaster> just put a bunch of TNT on
the ground, then stand on top of itL664[17:36:52] <Forecaster> you'll reach the upper floors
in notime
<Forecaster> you'll reach the upper floors
in notimeL665[17:37:44] <Blue_595> yeah but youll
also die
L666[17:37:49] <Blue_595> and you need
water
L667[17:38:03] <Forecaster> well yeah, but it'll get you
there
<Forecaster> well yeah, but it'll get you
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L669[17:44:11] <Blue_595> and now i find
out whether or not i disabled power in OC
L670[17:44:35] <Blue_595> it is on
:(
L671[17:45:08] <Blue_595> expect some
downtime...
L672[17:46:08] <payonel>
do a lot of people disable power in oc?
<payonel>
do a lot of people disable power in oc?L673[17:46:14] <payonel>
if so, what would make power in oc better?
<payonel>
if so, what would make power in oc better?L674[17:47:34] <Ocawesome101> I usually play in creative,
but IMO having some form of power source other than the capacitor
built-in to the mod would be nice, even if one or two of it is only
enough to power one T1 computer
<Ocawesome101> I usually play in creative,
but IMO having some form of power source other than the capacitor
built-in to the mod would be nice, even if one or two of it is only
enough to power one T1 computerL675[17:49:57] <Inari> Never disabled it,
since it doesn't use any power anyway
L676[17:49:57] <Inari> :)
L677[17:59:55] <Blue_595> trying to use an
OpenSecurity keypad
L678[18:00:01] <Blue_595> keep getting
duplicate messages
L679[18:00:22] <Forecaster> did you register an event
listener?
<Forecaster> did you register an event
listener?L680[18:00:48] <Blue_595> wait
L681[18:00:59] <Blue_595> does
event.listen persist after you exited the program?
L682[18:01:08] <Forecaster> yes
<Forecaster> yesL683[18:01:27] <Forecaster> until you restart the
computer or event.ignore them
<Forecaster> until you restart the
computer or event.ignore themL684[18:02:23] <Bob> i
didn't have problems with the keypad
<Bob> i
didn't have problems with the keypadL685[18:02:26] <Blue_595> that was the
problem
L686[18:02:55] <Blue_595> also
@Ocawesome101 the carpeted capacitor exists
L687[18:04:13] <Forecaster> I usually have a `while run
do` as the main loop
<Forecaster> I usually have a `while run
do` as the main loopL688[18:04:39] <Forecaster> then initialize run as true,
then register a listener for the interrupted event and in there set
run to false
<Forecaster> then initialize run as true,
then register a listener for the interrupted event and in there set
run to falseL689[18:04:52] <Forecaster> then after the main loop
unregister any listeners
<Forecaster> then after the main loop
unregister any listenersL690[18:05:46] <Forecaster> if the program errors event
listeners will also not be unregistered
<Forecaster> if the program errors event
listeners will also not be unregisteredL691[18:07:11] <Blue_595> oh
L692[18:10:10] <payonel>
@Ocawesome101 another "power source" to store power or to
generate power? we have the carpeted capacitor
<payonel>
@Ocawesome101 another "power source" to store power or to
generate power? we have the carpeted capacitorL693[18:10:43] <payonel>
oh, blue said the same thing
<payonel>
oh, blue said the same thingL694[18:11:13] <Blue_595> yeah but its
ok
L695[18:11:34] <payonel>
another solution for service code, i like using threads btw
<payonel>
another solution for service code, i like using threads btwL696[18:11:40] <payonel>
rather than event listeners
<payonel>
rather than event listenersL697[18:11:52] <Blue_595> also fair
warning: cats n sheep take damage over time when standing on
carpeted capacitors
L698[18:11:57] <Blue_595> the carpet sort
of zaps them
L699[18:12:14] <payonel>
yep,
<payonel>
yep,L701[18:12:20] <MichiBot>
OpenComputers: Carpeted Capacitors | length: 3m 59s |
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| Published On 4/2/2018
L702[18:12:42] <Blue_595> also Exapunks
status update: i just have one last level then ive beat the ENTIRE
GAME
L703[18:16:12] <Blue_595> "The
occupant's body also seemed to be partially made of computer
equipment." yep, freaking phage :(
L704[18:17:23] *
Inari makes Blue_595 out of computer equipment
L705[18:17:37] <Blue_595>
_partially_
L706[18:18:17] <Blue_595> due to the
"phage" which was the whole reason you started hacking
again; you struck a deal with an AI known as EMBER-2 that for each
hack, you would receive one day's worth of medication to slow the
spread of the phage.
L707[18:18:20] *
Inari pours some blood over the computer equipment
L708[18:18:22] <Inari> There,
partially
L709[18:18:26] <Blue_595> :D
L710[18:19:41] <Blue_595> SWIZ command
takes R/N (input) R/N (mask) R (output) so my obfuscation idea
could work
L711[18:21:19] <Blue_595> fun fact: by the
time i was found, the affected areas were:
L712[18:21:44] <Forecaster> you don't have to recite game
text
<Forecaster> you don't have to recite game
textL713[18:21:47] <Blue_595> left arm, heart,
left hand, visual cortex, cerebral cortex, likely a bunch more (a
foot perhaps) i never knew about
L714[18:24:34] <AdorableCatgirl> a
<AdorableCatgirl> aL715[18:24:54] <Inari> b
L716[18:28:13] <Blue_595> c
L717[18:32:11] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL718[18:32:12] <MichiBot> You drink a
porous rock potion (New!). The potion bottle insults Forecaster's
haircut.
L719[18:32:17] <Forecaster> aw D:
<Forecaster> aw D:L720[18:33:21]
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L722[18:39:01] <Blue_595> i dont even have
an A button anymore
L723[18:39:16] <Blue_595> ive played so
much its label is worn off
L724[18:39:21] <Blue_595> its just the V O
I D button
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L726[18:40:20] <Kristopher38> I wish OC had a built-in
power generator block, but not as impractical as carpeted
capacitors
<Kristopher38> I wish OC had a built-in
power generator block, but not as impractical as carpeted
capacitorsL727[18:41:01] <Kristopher38> but that's probably against
the core philosophy of the mod (?)
<Kristopher38> but that's probably against
the core philosophy of the mod (?)L728[18:41:24] <Kristopher38> Robots and drones already
have power generation upgrades though, but that's a special
case
<Kristopher38> Robots and drones already
have power generation upgrades though, but that's a special
caseL729[18:42:09] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L730[18:42:09] <MichiBot> Sard! SquidDev!
You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 35 minutes and 3
seconds (By 19 minutes and 24 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L731[18:42:10] <MichiBot> SquidDev has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points!
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L732[18:42:15] <Inari> How are carpeted
capacitors impractical
L733[18:43:19] <Kristopher38> they're meme-ish, you can
use them, sure, but it's a pain to keep them running since they
require you to replenish sheep/cat livestock because they can get
zapped
<Kristopher38> they're meme-ish, you can
use them, sure, but it's a pain to keep them running since they
require you to replenish sheep/cat livestock because they can get
zappedL734[18:43:29] <payonel>
maybe we should let a robot charge a capacitor with its internal
power 🙂
<payonel>
maybe we should let a robot charge a capacitor with its internal
power 🙂L735[18:43:43] <Inari> Just means you
build a machine that breeds sheep
L736[18:44:04] <Kristopher38> to keep the my generator
running, sure
<Kristopher38> to keep the my generator
running, sureL737[18:44:12] <Kristopher38> sheep-powered
generator
<Kristopher38> sheep-powered
generatorL738[18:44:16] <payonel>
yeah, what do sheep eat to breed ?
<payonel>
yeah, what do sheep eat to breed ?L739[18:45:13] <payonel>
put that in a dispenser to feed the sheep, send a pulse to the
dispenser from time to time
<payonel>
put that in a dispenser to feed the sheep, send a pulse to the
dispenser from time to timeL740[18:45:32] <payonel>
i'll be doing that in a survival let's series i'm doing for oc
("soon")
<payonel>
i'll be doing that in a survival let's series i'm doing for oc
("soon")L741[18:45:45] <Inari> For a start
L742[18:45:50] <Kristopher38> I wish there was at least a
way to use the generator upgrade or solar upgrade to charge
external things, but those are limited to robots/drones/uCs/tablets
which can't connect to external stuff
<Kristopher38> I wish there was at least a
way to use the generator upgrade or solar upgrade to charge
external things, but those are limited to robots/drones/uCs/tablets
which can't connect to external stuffL743[18:46:08] <Inari> Later on, have many
capacitors and a system that uses machine learning to determine if
more sheeps need to be bred
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L747[18:58:14] <Forecaster> it don't got abs, it's got
one very long ab
<Forecaster> it don't got abs, it's got
one very long abL748[19:03:07] <Lizzy> %tonk
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You beat SquidDev's previous record of <0 (By 20 minutes and 58
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L760[19:36:13] <payonel>
so i wanted to share some perspective, some thoughts, i've been
having about the vram system
<payonel>
so i wanted to share some perspective, some thoughts, i've been
having about the vram systemL761[19:36:21] <payonel> i
think some expectations should be shared
<payonel> i
think some expectations should be sharedL762[19:36:43] <payonel>
we're not trying to build a system for animation streams
<payonel>
we're not trying to build a system for animation streamsL763[19:37:03] <payonel>
that's isn't the goal. and i think a lack of clear feature
requirements may have confused that a bit
<payonel>
that's isn't the goal. and i think a lack of clear feature
requirements may have confused that a bitL764[19:37:39] <payonel>
to stream animation, per oc computer, to N clients, is going to put
far too much load on a network, and OC does not want to impact
servers like that
<payonel>
to stream animation, per oc computer, to N clients, is going to put
far too much load on a network, and OC does not want to impact
servers like thatL765[19:38:18] <payonel>
now, we've already put our line in the sand about load based on
long existing features with gpu.set and the family
<payonel>
now, we've already put our line in the sand about load based on
long existing features with gpu.set and the familyL766[19:38:45] <payonel>
and so, i'm working hard to measure the real cost of gpu.set, and
looking to make bitblt no worse
<payonel>
and so, i'm working hard to measure the real cost of gpu.set, and
looking to make bitblt no worseL767[19:39:00] <payonel>
that may mean that bitblt is not better in client-side frames per
second
<payonel>
that may mean that bitblt is not better in client-side frames per
secondL768[19:39:24] <payonel>
in fact, it could even be worse in some cases. why? bitblt sends
everything, color data, palette data, and char data
<payonel>
in fact, it could even be worse in some cases. why? bitblt sends
everything, color data, palette data, and char dataL769[19:39:59] <payonel>
there are optimizations in mind, but -- to be frank, any
optimization is only to improve optimistic conditions
<payonel>
there are optimizations in mind, but -- to be frank, any
optimization is only to improve optimistic conditionsL770[19:40:51] <payonel>
at the end of the day, we need to keep OC respected in the server
community - we need to respect load. and if bitblt is not more
important
<payonel>
at the end of the day, we need to keep OC respected in the server
community - we need to respect load. and if bitblt is not more
importantL771[19:41:43] <payonel>
ok, so why vram? what is the benefit? it is for convenience, it
makes storing and updating screen data easier. it provides
meaningful designs for structuring how to update your screen
<payonel>
ok, so why vram? what is the benefit? it is for convenience, it
makes storing and updating screen data easier. it provides
meaningful designs for structuring how to update your screenL772[19:41:59] <payonel>
it also brings real value to gpus
<payonel>
it also brings real value to gpusL773[19:42:43] <payonel>
and, it brings the potential for more features in this family of
gpu work
<payonel>
and, it brings the potential for more features in this family of
gpu workL774[19:42:44] <Inari> Thats why we need
shaders :D
L775[19:42:50] <payonel>
haha
<payonel>
hahaL776[19:43:25] <Ocawesome101> I suppose if you're doing a
lot of graphical stuff (screen writes especially) this vram stuff
could still speed it up
<Ocawesome101> I suppose if you're doing a
lot of graphical stuff (screen writes especially) this vram stuff
could still speed it upL777[19:43:46] <payonel>
what do you mean "speed it up"?
<payonel>
what do you mean "speed it up"?L778[19:44:02] <Ocawesome101> take MineOS
<Ocawesome101> take MineOSL779[19:44:06] <payonel>
because that's my concern, i'm trying to set expectations about
performance
<payonel>
because that's my concern, i'm trying to set expectations about
performanceL780[19:44:16] <Inari> Shaders in the
sense of, precompiled code bits that can be executed whenever. But
since the execution just needs to be sent to each client as a
command, it keeps network low
L781[19:44:20] <Ocawesome101> this could at least
decrease its RAM Use
<Ocawesome101> this could at least
decrease its RAM UseL782[19:44:27] <Ocawesome101> %s/Use/use/
<Ocawesome101> %s/Use/use/L783[19:44:27] <MichiBot>
<Ocawesome101> this could at least decrease its RAM use
L784[19:44:29] <payonel>
i'm saying that our goal is not to speed up framerate. but to
provide value in gpus, and simplify ui work
<payonel>
i'm saying that our goal is not to speed up framerate. but to
provide value in gpus, and simplify ui workL785[19:44:46] <payonel>
true, this gives you a new pool of memory where you can store
screen data
<payonel>
true, this gives you a new pool of memory where you can store
screen dataL786[19:45:56] <Kristopher38> Let's say we've got some
GUI system, and we want to drag a window, the background is in one
buffer, the window is in another, to drag the window you just need
to bitblt the background, and bitblt the window in the desired
location, and the way this works now it should be entirely free
since both buffers aren't dirty
<Kristopher38> Let's say we've got some
GUI system, and we want to drag a window, the background is in one
buffer, the window is in another, to drag the window you just need
to bitblt the background, and bitblt the window in the desired
location, and the way this works now it should be entirely free
since both buffers aren't dirtyL787[19:46:26] <payonel>
that is correct
<payonel>
that is correctL788[19:46:36] <payonel>
using clean buffers is where you'll have the perf boost
<payonel>
using clean buffers is where you'll have the perf boostL789[19:46:47] <payonel>
and that is super cheap on the network
<payonel>
and that is super cheap on the networkL790[19:46:47] <AdorableCatgirl> haha! i've almost got my
block device library done :)
<AdorableCatgirl> haha! i've almost got my
block device library done :)L791[19:46:49] <payonel>
so we like that
<payonel>
so we like thatL792[19:47:19] <Vexaton> sounds very
nice
L793[19:47:32] <AdorableCatgirl> just adding drivers for
Izaya's partition table and MBR
<AdorableCatgirl> just adding drivers for
Izaya's partition table and MBRL794[19:47:56] <Ocawesome101> OpenUPT please?
<Ocawesome101> OpenUPT please?L795[19:48:04] <AdorableCatgirl> give me a spec?
<AdorableCatgirl> give me a spec?L796[19:48:22] <AdorableCatgirl> also, you could make
your own module :)
<AdorableCatgirl> also, you could make
your own module :)L797[19:48:27] <Ocawesome101> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OpenStandards/blob/master/Filesystems/OpenUPT.md
<Ocawesome101> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OpenStandards/blob/master/Filesystems/OpenUPT.mdL798[19:48:53] <AdorableCatgirl> all it would have to be
is some code that makes a prototype and calls
`blkdev.register("name", proto)`
<AdorableCatgirl> all it would have to be
is some code that makes a prototype and calls
`blkdev.register("name", proto)`L799[19:48:56] <payonel>
anyways, about performance again. the work @Kristopher38 is doing
is extremely valueable. his animation test isn't necessarily the
use case of vram, but it definitely shows where is suffers and
gives me a model to compare to gpu.set
<payonel>
anyways, about performance again. the work @Kristopher38 is doing
is extremely valueable. his animation test isn't necessarily the
use case of vram, but it definitely shows where is suffers and
gives me a model to compare to gpu.setL800[19:49:13] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20200519163234.226513-1-sashal@kernel.org/
is it me...or has hell frozen over?
L801[19:49:21] <payonel>
btw, kristoph, i should share with you some adjustments i made to
compare things like actual fps, and to test against set, etc
<payonel>
btw, kristoph, i should share with you some adjustments i made to
compare things like actual fps, and to test against set, etcL802[19:49:22] <Kristopher38> @payonel one thing that
came to my mind is doing differential check on the dirty page and
send only the data that's changed, I don't know if you're already
doing this or if it's feasible though
<Kristopher38> @payonel one thing that
came to my mind is doing differential check on the dirty page and
send only the data that's changed, I don't know if you're already
doing this or if it's feasible thoughL803[19:49:49] <payonel>
i've definitely worked in that space, and did measurements
<payonel>
i've definitely worked in that space, and did measurementsL804[19:49:52] <AdorableCatgirl> CC: wh-what
<AdorableCatgirl> CC: wh-whatL805[19:49:55] <Kristopher38> yeah, if I could have a way
of comparing actual fps that'd be great
<Kristopher38> yeah, if I could have a way
of comparing actual fps that'd be greatL806[19:50:00] <payonel>
of course it is better, but our primary concern is about capping
bitblt from abuse
<payonel>
of course it is better, but our primary concern is about capping
bitblt from abuseL807[19:50:08] <AdorableCatgirl> also
<AdorableCatgirl> alsoL808[19:50:20] <AdorableCatgirl> when i saw bitblt, i
immediate thought "hey i can make DOS now"
<AdorableCatgirl> when i saw bitblt, i
immediate thought "hey i can make DOS now"L809[19:50:25] <AdorableCatgirl> "ez"
<AdorableCatgirl> "ez"L810[19:50:32] <AdorableCatgirl> but then i saw how it
worked
<AdorableCatgirl> but then i saw how it
workedL811[19:50:37] <AdorableCatgirl> and i was like
"dern"
<AdorableCatgirl> and i was like
"dern"L812[19:50:42] <payonel>
oh? can you explain?
<payonel>
oh? can you explain?L813[19:50:52] <payonel>
perhaps you have a use case i didn't cover right
<payonel>
perhaps you have a use case i didn't cover rightL814[19:50:55] <AdorableCatgirl> tl;dr was thinking the
buffers were just massive strings
<AdorableCatgirl> tl;dr was thinking the
buffers were just massive stringsL815[19:51:12] <AdorableCatgirl> just me being an
idiot
<AdorableCatgirl> just me being an
idiotL816[19:51:25] ⇦
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L817[19:51:34] <AdorableCatgirl> oh shit
<AdorableCatgirl> oh shitL818[19:51:36] <AdorableCatgirl> mail's here
<AdorableCatgirl> mail's hereL819[19:52:01] <Amanda> Heeeeeerrreeee's
the mail, it never fails!
L820[19:52:35] <Kristopher38> hmm, in the worst case
you'd still need to send the whole page
<Kristopher38> hmm, in the worst case
you'd still need to send the whole pageL821[19:52:37] <CompanionCube>
AdorableCatgirl: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/
accompanying blogpost
L822[19:53:15] <payonel>
@Kristopher38 for this to be release ready, it needs to be
"safe" for load
<payonel>
@Kristopher38 for this to be release ready, it needs to be
"safe" for loadL823[19:53:32] <payonel>
so my tests need to focus on, or assume, full dirty page
<payonel>
so my tests need to focus on, or assume, full dirty pageL824[19:53:50] <payonel>
then to measure the results and make sure we're not worse than set
("worse" on network)
<payonel>
then to measure the results and make sure we're not worse than set
("worse" on network)L825[19:53:58] <Kristopher38> yeah, I get that
<Kristopher38> yeah, I get thatL826[19:54:05] <payonel>
THEN, we can optimize and look for speed ups
<payonel>
THEN, we can optimize and look for speed upsL827[19:54:24] <Kristopher38> but if size of the
difference in data was calculated, that could be used to scale
bitblt cost as well 🤔
<Kristopher38> but if size of the
difference in data was calculated, that could be used to scale
bitblt cost as well 🤔L828[19:54:44] <payonel>
yes, under ideal workflows
<payonel>
yes, under ideal workflowsL829[19:54:55] <payonel>
but the scale of worst case needs to be fixed first
<payonel>
but the scale of worst case needs to be fixed firstL830[19:55:13] <Kristopher38> that'd mean bitblting cost
would directly correspond to the amount of data being sent over the
network
<Kristopher38> that'd mean bitblting cost
would directly correspond to the amount of data being sent over the
networkL831[19:55:17] <AdorableCatgirl> crazy shit
<AdorableCatgirl> crazy shitL832[19:55:37] <Kristopher38> yeah, worst case should be
considered first
<Kristopher38> yeah, worst case should be
considered firstL833[19:55:53] <CompanionCube> imagine
seeing 'directx loves linux' in years gone by, would sound
hilarious
L834[19:55:55] <AdorableCatgirl> tbh
<AdorableCatgirl> tbhL835[19:56:06] <AdorableCatgirl> i cba to write more
partition table drivers
<AdorableCatgirl> i cba to write more
partition table driversL836[19:59:00] <AdorableCatgirl> time to modify this fat
driver
<AdorableCatgirl> time to modify this fat
driverL837[20:02:51] <Amanda> What license is
mesa under? Curious if this will ever be merged up-stream or even
attempted to be. I could see them forking it and making it a
private binary of mesa you have to use
L838[20:05:38] <Inari> Cobol arch
when
L839[20:11:38] <CompanionCube> Amanda:
MIT, apparently
L840[20:12:03] <Amanda> CompanionCube:
so... no obligation to make it oss, then.
L841[20:12:21] <Amanda> Magic kernel
driver go wheeee
L842[20:13:27] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVT6_xq930I
interesting
L843[20:13:28] <MichiBot> Yandere
Simulator Decompiled Source Code Review - Code Review - Full Stream
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Published On 11/5/2020
L844[20:13:29] <Amanda> CompanionCube: I'm
not hopeful for that being upstreamed then, and apparently MS's key
signing code needs specific people to be active. I've had VSCode
updates take weeks because the person who "owns" the key
for their yum/apt/whatever repo was out on vacation
L845[20:14:23] <Amanda> All the while it
was bitching about it being out of date. :D
L846[20:15:04] <CompanionCube> Amanda:
also mesa isn't involved here
L847[20:15:31] <CompanionCube> except for
implementing opengl support on top of it
L848[20:21:49] <AdorableCatgirl> okay
<AdorableCatgirl> okayL849[20:21:50] <AdorableCatgirl> so
<AdorableCatgirl> soL850[20:21:57] <AdorableCatgirl> we got fat in Zorya
now
<AdorableCatgirl> we got fat in Zorya
nowL851[20:22:04] <AdorableCatgirl> hopefully
<AdorableCatgirl> hopefullyL852[20:22:09] <AdorableCatgirl> if luamin didn't mangle
it
<AdorableCatgirl> if luamin didn't mangle
itL853[20:22:19] <MGR>
Sorry, but I prefer a more svelte OS
<MGR>
Sorry, but I prefer a more svelte OSL854[20:22:20] ⇦
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L855[20:22:42] <AdorableCatgirl> what
<AdorableCatgirl> whatL856[20:22:55] <MGR>
```
<MGR>
```L857[20:22:55] <MGR> we
got fat in Zorya now
<MGR> we
got fat in Zorya nowL858[20:22:55] <MGR>
```
<MGR>
```L859[20:23:02] <MGR>
```fat```
<MGR>
```fat```L860[20:23:04] <AdorableCatgirl> yes
<AdorableCatgirl> yesL861[20:23:17] <AdorableCatgirl> now i can boot stuff of
of fat volumes
<AdorableCatgirl> now i can boot stuff of
of fat volumesL862[20:23:25] <MGR> I'm
not treating it as an acronym
<MGR> I'm
not treating it as an acronymL863[20:23:26] <MGR> It's
a joke
<MGR> It's
a jokeL864[20:23:30] <AdorableCatgirl> oh ok
<AdorableCatgirl> oh okL865[20:23:42] <AdorableCatgirl> anyways
<AdorableCatgirl> anywaysL866[20:23:57] <AdorableCatgirl> i really should just say
fuck it and implement a vfs and all in Zorya
<AdorableCatgirl> i really should just say
fuck it and implement a vfs and all in ZoryaL867[20:24:03] <AdorableCatgirl> call it an OS
<AdorableCatgirl> call it an OSL868[20:24:05] <Kleadron>
can you directly copy an ms dos computer's hard drive into the oc
computer and have zorya read it
<Kleadron>
can you directly copy an ms dos computer's hard drive into the oc
computer and have zorya read itL869[20:24:14] <AdorableCatgirl> no
<AdorableCatgirl> noL870[20:24:52] <AdorableCatgirl> now, if you got the
partition, it probably could
<AdorableCatgirl> now, if you got the
partition, it probably couldL871[20:25:07] <AdorableCatgirl> but you could do
floppies
<AdorableCatgirl> but you could do
floppiesL872[20:25:39] <Kleadron>
natively running windows 1.01 in oc 👀
<Kleadron>
natively running windows 1.01 in oc 👀L873[20:26:30] <AdorableCatgirl> nice emem
<AdorableCatgirl> nice ememL874[20:27:23] <AdorableCatgirl> i do love how sublime
doesn't even try to highlight the mess that is the installer tsar i
shoved into a lua file
<AdorableCatgirl> i do love how sublime
doesn't even try to highlight the mess that is the installer tsar i
shoved into a lua fileL876[20:38:30] <AdorableCatgirl> lol
<AdorableCatgirl> lolL877[20:38:37] <AdorableCatgirl> i should make a devfs
driver for osdi
<AdorableCatgirl> i should make a devfs
driver for osdiL878[20:39:08]
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L879[20:39:47] <AdorableCatgirl> like
<AdorableCatgirl> likeL880[20:39:52] <AdorableCatgirl> so it shows up in
devfs
<AdorableCatgirl> so it shows up in
devfsL881[21:02:03] <SquidDev> %tonk
L882[21:02:04] <MichiBot> Fudge!
SquidDev! You beat Lizzy's previous record of 20 minutes and 58
seconds (By 1 hour, 37 minutes and 56 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L883[21:02:05] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new
record is 1 hour, 58 minutes and 55 seconds! SquidDev also gained
0.00163 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need
0.12473 more points to pass Lizzy!
L884[21:22:32] <Amanda> %choose veg
out?
L885[21:22:32] <MichiBot> Amanda: Oh yes,
definitely!
L886[21:31:47] <Ocawesome101> @Kleadron Lunatic86
<Ocawesome101> @Kleadron Lunatic86L887[21:36:02] <Kleadron>
oh yeah you're right
<Kleadron>
oh yeah you're rightL888[22:24:30] ⇦
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L889[22:32:07] <Kristopher38> @payonel are setForeground
and setBackground free as well when operating in vram?
<Kristopher38> @payonel are setForeground
and setBackground free as well when operating in vram?L890[22:34:34] <Kristopher38> oh it seems they're not
:D
<Kristopher38> oh it seems they're not
:DL891[22:34:41] <payonel>
they are not
<payonel>
they are notL892[22:34:49] <payonel>
nor are they in the special build i linked to you
<payonel>
nor are they in the special build i linked to youL893[22:35:05] <payonel>
but i have a path forward to improve that
<payonel>
but i have a path forward to improve thatL894[22:35:07] <payonel>
tonight
<payonel>
tonightL895[22:35:13] <payonel>
when you're offline 🙂
<payonel>
when you're offline 🙂L896[22:35:48] <payonel>
anyways, all gpu calls to vram "will" be free, once i
finish a refactor relating ot that
<payonel>
anyways, all gpu calls to vram "will" be free, once i
finish a refactor relating ot thatL897[22:35:52] <payonel>
except, of course, for bitblt
<payonel>
except, of course, for bitbltL898[22:35:59] <payonel>
(to screen)
<payonel>
(to screen)L899[22:38:40] <Kristopher38> my question is, should I
optimize that benchmark or not? as in, grouping colors together in
a way that I talked about in my comment on the original issue
<Kristopher38> my question is, should I
optimize that benchmark or not? as in, grouping colors together in
a way that I talked about in my comment on the original issueL900[22:39:14] <payonel>
you can assume setForeground will be free. so i would
"dirty" the buffer but not worry about changing its
colors
<payonel>
you can assume setForeground will be free. so i would
"dirty" the buffer but not worry about changing its
colorsL901[22:39:21] <payonel>
or you can, either way
<payonel>
or you can, either wayL902[22:39:34] <payonel>
btw, i think adding color to set calls (via fore/back) is only
going to slow set down
<payonel>
btw, i think adding color to set calls (via fore/back) is only
going to slow set downL903[22:39:46] <payonel>
btw, adding color to set calls (via fore/back) is only going to
slow set down [Edited]
<payonel>
btw, adding color to set calls (via fore/back) is only going to
slow set down [Edited]L904[22:39:59] <payonel> a
set fore/back is only going to take away from the call budget
<payonel> a
set fore/back is only going to take away from the call budgetL905[22:40:07] <payonel>
so you'll get fewer sets, thus slower fps
<payonel>
so you'll get fewer sets, thus slower fpsL906[22:40:14] <Kristopher38> yeah ik
<Kristopher38> yeah ikL907[22:40:22] <payonel>
so in this regard, bitblt is already superior in perf
<payonel>
so in this regard, bitblt is already superior in perfL908[22:40:32] <payonel>
but i'll make it better with the set calls
<payonel>
but i'll make it better with the set callsL909[22:40:34] <payonel>
then it'll be obvious
<payonel>
then it'll be obviousL910[22:41:05] <payonel>
well, my goal again is not to make it better, but reasonably
equivalent
<payonel>
well, my goal again is not to make it better, but reasonably
equivalentL911[22:41:17] <payonel>
again, i dont want to add more load to the network than we can
already do
<payonel>
again, i dont want to add more load to the network than we can
already doL912[22:41:26] <payonel>
(in the worst case)
<payonel>
(in the worst case)L913[22:44:48] <payonel>
@Kristopher38 anyways, maybe adding set color is unfair for this.
maybe the set-only testing is good enough. it gives me a benchmark
for network load from set, and based on that i can measure bitblt
costs
<payonel>
@Kristopher38 anyways, maybe adding set color is unfair for this.
maybe the set-only testing is good enough. it gives me a benchmark
for network load from set, and based on that i can measure bitblt
costsL914[22:45:09] <payonel>
slowing down set because of color is probably more likely, but
moves away from the abuse scenario
<payonel>
slowing down set because of color is probably more likely, but
moves away from the abuse scenarioL915[22:45:17] <payonel>
so, i wouldn't stress it
<payonel>
so, i wouldn't stress itL917[22:48:52] <Kristopher38> directly drawing on the
screen on the left, drawing to the buffer and bitblting on the
right
<Kristopher38> directly drawing on the
screen on the left, drawing to the buffer and bitblting on the
rightL918[22:49:05] <Kristopher38> obviously the setForeground
calls are eating up the call budget
<Kristopher38> obviously the setForeground
calls are eating up the call budgetL919[22:50:21] <payonel>
yep, this is great
<payonel>
yep, this is greatL920[22:50:39] <payonel>
and smooth!
<payonel>
and smooth!L921[22:50:42] <payonel>
that's what we want
<payonel>
that's what we wantL922[22:50:59] <payonel>
you'll love my next build 🙂
<payonel>
you'll love my next build 🙂L923[22:51:20] <Amanda> With blackjack!
And cookers!
L924[22:51:26] <SquidDev> Oh wow, that's
pretty
L925[22:52:48] <payonel>
@Kristopher38 is that latest or with my "free set"
build?
<payonel>
@Kristopher38 is that latest or with my "free set"
build?L926[22:57:02] <Kristopher38> that's with free set
<Kristopher38> that's with free setL927[22:57:12] <Kristopher38> lemme test that with latest
just out of curiosity
<Kristopher38> lemme test that with latest
just out of curiosityL928[22:57:20] <Kristopher38> and i'll send that demo
over to you
<Kristopher38> and i'll send that demo
over to youL929[22:57:25] <payonel>
well sure
<payonel>
well sureL930[22:57:37] <payonel>
but free set is closer to what you'll see in the next build
<payonel>
but free set is closer to what you'll see in the next buildL931[23:00:09] <Kristopher38> also did you get the linear
cost scaling working?
<Kristopher38> also did you get the linear
cost scaling working?L932[23:11:52] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L933[23:11:53] <MichiBot> Heckgosh!
SquidDev! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 58 minutes
and 55 seconds (By 10 minutes and 53 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L934[23:11:54] <MichiBot> SquidDev has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points!
plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
0.55507, Position #4 Need 0.12073 more points to pass Lizzy!
L935[23:12:24] <AdorableCatgirl> finally
<AdorableCatgirl> finallyL936[23:12:29] <AdorableCatgirl> halo 2 rebalanced is
out
<AdorableCatgirl> halo 2 rebalanced is
outL937[23:14:05] <Amanda> %tell Inari also,
btw: Dark Magic is actually Dark Energy, just so you know when the
mana apocalypse happens.
L938[23:14:06] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L941[23:32:35] <Lizzy> %tonk
L942[23:32:35] <MichiBot> Dagnammit!
Lizzy! You beat SquidDev's previous record of <0 (By 20
minutes and 42 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L943[23:32:36] <MichiBot> Lizzy's new
record is 20 minutes and 42 seconds! Lizzy also gained 0.00035 tonk
points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.08834 more points
to pass Forecaster!
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L946[23:40:59] <Forecaster> Accurate, unfortunately
<Forecaster> Accurate, unfortunatelyL947[23:45:38] <Saghetti>
ooh
<Saghetti>
oohL948[23:45:39] <Saghetti>
bitmap?
<Saghetti>
bitmap?L949[23:49:30] <Elfi> Saw bitmap, read
bitlämp
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L951[23:51:20] <Blue_595> well slap my ass
and call me 1929 cuz im in a great depression
L952[23:51:39] <Elfi> Big mood
L953[23:52:05] <xarses>
super stoked to see the new graphics changes @payonel
<xarses>
super stoked to see the new graphics changes @payonelL954[23:52:37] <Blue_595> super stoked to
see double-height server racks (might need a GUI overhaul for the
server racks though) and KVM switches
L955[23:52:37] <payonel>
holy crap it's xarses
<payonel>
holy crap it's xarsesL956[23:53:02] <Blue_595> o/
L957[23:53:04] <Saghetti>
wait
<Saghetti>
waitL958[23:53:08] <Saghetti>
thats going to be a thing?
<Saghetti>
thats going to be a thing?L959[23:53:19] <Blue_595> btw i have a
history DBA at 19:40 today
L960[23:53:29] <xarses> I
lurk 🙂
<xarses> I
lurk 🙂L961[23:53:29] <Blue_595> and i remembered
i only finished 25% of my notes
L962[23:53:30] <payonel>
@xarses it's definitely alpha right now, i have a lot of fixes and
balancing to do, but it's going to be pretty great
<payonel>
@xarses it's definitely alpha right now, i have a lot of fixes and
balancing to do, but it's going to be pretty greatL963[23:53:41] <Blue_595> rushed through
the rest in 30 minutes
L964[23:54:23] <xarses> it
looks like got a hornets nest of testers already, but I'd be happy
to help if there is any need 🙂
<xarses> it
looks like got a hornets nest of testers already, but I'd be happy
to help if there is any need 🙂L965[23:54:40] <xarses>
@Kristopher38's A/B tests look awesome
<xarses>
@Kristopher38's A/B tests look awesomeL966[23:55:38] <payonel>
@xarses oh definitely 🙂 right now i know a lot of the problems it
has
<payonel>
@xarses oh definitely 🙂 right now i know a lot of the problems it
hasL967[23:55:41] <Blue_595> wdym A/B
tests
L968[23:55:44] <Blue_595> GPU
update?
L969[23:55:48] <payonel>
but i'll ping you tomorrow with the fixes i already plan to
make
<payonel>
but i'll ping you tomorrow with the fixes i already plan to
makeL970[23:55:58] <Blue_595> and could i
maybe have a picture :)
L971[23:58:08] <xarses>
Blue_595: A/B is the concept of comparing one way with another, in
this case the old update code and the new vram mode
<xarses>
Blue_595: A/B is the concept of comparing one way with another, in
this case the old update code and the new vram modeL972[23:58:46] <Blue_595> oh
L973[23:59:09] <Blue_595> i want to see a
sort of console GPU in an expansion mod
L974[23:59:36] <Blue_595> where it gives
you routines for true bit mapped graphics, along with a 50x16 (i
think thats T1) text mode