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L1[01:06:05] <Kristo​pher38> @payonel I've seen a few people complain about T1 wireless cards not working, as in they had a setup where there were two computers literally next to each other, both with T1 wireless cards and the communication wouldn't work between them. I don't know if they were running the latest version though, and I haven't tested it myself, but the repro steps should be self-explanatory from the issue explanation. Anyway, somebody finally opened an issue
L2[01:06:05] <Kristo​pher38> on this :P
L3[01:06:59] <pay​onel> i repro'd that today in some testing
L4[01:07:12] <pay​onel> but i must say....why do people make such empty issues when reporting bugs
L5[01:07:22] <pay​onel> no repro, no sample code, no explanation of setup
L6[01:07:32] <Kristo​pher38> Yeah, it's lame
L7[01:11:35] <Amanda> @payonel IT NO WERK FIX IT
L8[01:11:53] * Amanda replies with "IT BROK WHAT MORE KOULD U NEED?!"
L9[01:12:23] <pay​onel> oc community is best community
L10[01:13:00] <Amanda> %remindme 10h check that your ME network isn't dying
L11[01:13:00] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "check that your ME network isn't dying" at 05/07/2020 05:13:00 AM
L12[01:17:48] ⇨ Joins: AmandaC (~quassel@c-73-165-85-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
L13[01:20:14] <AmandaC> %bite Comcast
L14[01:20:15] <MichiBot> Ama​ndaC is biting Comcast for 1d6 => 1 damage!
L15[01:20:21] <AmandaC> D:
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L17[01:20:38] <AmandaC> Why haven't I been doing very much damage!? I call hax
L18[01:20:47] *** AmandaC is now known as Amanda
L19[01:21:42] <Lizzy> %bite Comcast
L20[01:21:43] <MichiBot> Li​zzy is biting Comcast for 1d6 => 4 damage!
L21[01:23:03] <Amanda> %inv add a machine that goes ding
L22[01:23:03] * MichiBot summons 'a machine that goes ding' and adds to her inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L23[01:24:41] <pay​onel> @Kristopher38 of course it doesn't repro in my dev env
L24[01:24:54] <CompanionCube> Izaya: Skye: today on hypocrisy we have boris johnson and priti patel using signal
L25[01:30:12] <Kristo​pher38> D:
L26[01:33:16] <AshleighTheCutie> whats wrong with signal, or am i missing something
L27[01:33:46] <CompanionCube> AshleighTheCutie: the issue is that, especially feor patel, this is massive hypocrisy consider her beliefs and past government policy
L28[01:33:50] <pay​onel> T1 wireless if fixed in dev builds
L29[01:33:55] <pay​onel> forgot i already fixed this
L30[01:34:05] <AshleighTheCutie> ah
L31[01:34:15] <pay​onel> @Kristopher38 tell your people to use latest. get latest dev builds from https://ci.cil.li/
L32[01:34:20] <pay​onel> duplicate of #3195
L33[01:34:29] <pay​onel> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/3195
L34[01:34:30] <MichiBot> Title: Tier 1 Wireless Cards Can Not Receive Messages | Posted by: Cr​uor | Posted: Tue Dec 24 18:51:13 CST 2019 | Status: closed
L35[01:34:34] <CompanionCube> she literally signed barr's letter to facebook how they shouldn't use e2e, so...
L36[01:34:53] <AshleighTheCutie> makes sense now, gotcha
L37[01:40:26] <Ar​iri> My server is back up. \o/
L38[01:40:36] <AshleighTheCutie> yaaay
L39[01:43:51] <AshleighTheCutie> what went wrong, do you know?
L40[01:44:39] <Amanda> Definitely those foxes chewing on important wires
L41[01:44:54] <AshleighTheCutie> foxes are cute
L42[01:45:09] <Amanda> They're a scourge!
L43[01:45:12] <Ar​iri> On boot, it said failed to start the CUPS scheduler. Couldn't manage to fix it, but that showed up at the same time that terminal emulator showed "file input/output error" on attempt to run. So I just used the cli to run the server instead, meh.
L44[01:45:25] <Ar​iri> I prefer them both in my Worlds.
L45[01:45:43] <AshleighTheCutie> them both? both of wat
L46[01:46:13] <Ar​iri> Foxz+catz
L47[01:46:22] <AshleighTheCutie> ah
L48[01:46:24] <AshleighTheCutie> yee
L49[01:46:36] <AshleighTheCutie> both are extremely cute
L50[01:50:58] <Lizzy> Amanda, I am partially hurt by that statement! (mainly the part of me that's fox)
L51[01:51:34] <Amanda> D:
L52[01:52:16] <Amanda> Lizzy's a traitor!? How will the cats take over the milky way!?
L53[01:52:28] <AshleighTheCutie> ono
L54[01:52:34] <AshleighTheCutie> dis nawt gud
L55[01:52:36] <Lizzy> i am no trator! I am also part cat
L56[01:53:21] <Lizzy> and also part angel / demon, though those parts don't always make themselves known
L57[01:55:30] <Amanda> %choose unbury the laptop and update story?
L58[01:55:31] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Oh, I've heard about that. You'll want to wait until tomorrow.
L59[01:55:38] <Amanda> Sounds good
L60[01:56:13] * Amanda tucks in around Elfi, contemplates second dinner then sleeps
L61[01:56:28] <AshleighTheCutie> good night
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L64[02:01:24] <AshleighTheCutie> nya
L65[02:05:07] <Ar​iri> nyarn it
L66[02:06:23] <AshleighTheCutie> nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
L67[02:08:03] <AshleighTheCutie> i will outnya you
L68[02:09:46] <Ar​iri> Oh ho? You dare to challenge me?
L69[02:10:25] <Ar​iri> Discord.js... Why wont you do the same thing in a new command I made, doing the same thing with different arguments... grr
L70[02:10:50] <AshleighTheCutie> >:D
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L72[02:14:50] <murlocking2> Hi, I want to make a mob farm using a vanilla spawner, was wondering if the robot emulate a fake player and allow the spawner to spawn mobs while I'm away.
L73[02:28:54] <Ar​iri> I thought they just had to be chunk loaded, in which case a chunkloader upgrade or an alternative would do the job
L74[02:31:06] <B​ob> vanilla spawners need players
L75[02:32:35] <Ar​iri> Oh
L76[02:33:34] <murlocking2> I have cursed earth in my custom modpack, so I think that will be useful in that case.
L77[02:33:44] <murlocking2> I'm getting an error for my robot
L78[02:34:37] <murlocking2> 'if not robot.durability() <= 0.2 and robot.count(1) <= 0 then' returns 'attempt to compare boolean with number'
L79[02:43:07] <Ar​iri> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/afetodifog
L80[02:43:07] <Ar​iri> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/duyekowezeStatus update attempted. (${args[0].toUpperCase()}, ${text3})Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/vexuconeki
L81[02:43:07] <Ar​iri> If these two are identical, why does the former give me a `cannot read property setActivity of undefined` if they're called the exact same way?
L82[02:43:26] <Ar​iri> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/huluzoyoxe
L83[02:43:27] <Ar​iri> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/gayekosugaStatus update attempted. (${args[0].toUpperCase()}, ${text3})Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/kaqusomuxi
L84[02:43:27] <Ar​iri> If these two are identical, why does the former give me a `cannot read property setActivity of undefined` if they're called the exact same way? [Edited]
L85[02:43:41] <Z0id​burg> 9:42PM up 999 days, 6:09, 2 users, load averages: 0.45, 0.39, 0.33
L86[02:44:46] * Amanda sends a specially-craftes TCP packet to Sophia
L87[02:46:19] <Z0id​burg> lol
L88[02:46:30] * Amanda also lures a mud-caked cow over to Sophia
L89[02:46:34] <Z0id​burg> We just happened to check it tonight and were like wow what are the chances
L90[02:46:52] * Amanda curls up, zzmews
L91[02:46:58] <Amanda> Night nerds
L92[02:47:04] <Z0id​burg> poor Amanda is sleepy
L93[02:47:38] <Ar​iri> Noight
L94[02:49:45] <Ar​iri> nine nine nine nyine nyine nyan nyan nyan
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L97[04:24:21] <Ocawes​ome101> Z0idburg: bruh
L98[04:26:11] <Ocawes​ome101> `23:25:44 up 16 days, 2:19, 6 users, load average: 0.79, 1.23, 1.13`
L99[04:26:32] <Ocawes​ome101> my desktop has been up for probably close to 100 days now
L100[04:27:27] <Sagh​etti> my server had 136 days
L101[04:28:16] <Ocawes​ome101> my mom's laptop probably has 100+ days cause Macs never need to be rebooted ;P
L102[04:29:41] <pay​onel> i cant prove it to you, but, i work for an office with ~500 developers/managers/etc all using laptops+desktops. widnows, ubuntu, and mac
L103[04:30:14] <pay​onel> and of the 3, mac is the most unreliable - need the most reboots, and has the most warnings about accepting updates
L104[04:30:22] <pay​onel> according to our IT support department
L105[04:30:50] <Ocawes​ome101> huh
L106[04:31:26] <pay​onel> and this not unique to my current job. this has been my experience for most of my career (been a software developer for roughly 18 years)
L107[04:31:33] <pay​onel> yikes...i'm getting old
L108[04:31:40] <Ocawes​ome101> huh
L109[04:32:23] <pay​onel> now, i will admit, i used to work for msft and i was a engineer on windows longhorn
L110[04:32:38] <pay​onel> and that thing was horribly unreliable -> it eventually was rebranded as vista
L111[04:32:47] <Ocawes​ome101> w a i t
L112[04:32:52] <Ocawes​ome101> you worked on Longhorn??
L113[04:32:55] <pay​onel> yes
L114[04:33:01] <Ocawes​ome101> nice
L115[04:33:04] <pay​onel> haha
L116[04:33:24] <pay​onel> my contribution i think was part of a very solid and reliable library, but, that was just one part i guess
L117[04:33:53] <Ocawes​ome101> well, I mean, OpenOS seems pretty solid and reliable so I'm inclined to believe you :P
L118[04:33:58] <pay​onel> haha
L119[04:34:40] <Ocawes​ome101> let me guess... you're ~40?
L120[04:34:46] <pay​onel> will be next year
L121[04:35:29] <Ocawes​ome101> I was guessing based on >software dev for 18 years >probably started at ~20 give or take a couple years
L122[04:35:48] <Ocawes​ome101> and here I am almost in high school lol
L123[04:35:53] <pay​onel> yep. went to college first
L124[04:36:36] <Ocawes​ome101> unrelated - how much of OpenComputers / OpenOS did you write?
L125[04:36:50] <Sagh​etti> yes
L126[04:37:07] <Ocawes​ome101> lol
L127[04:37:16] <pay​onel> oc stuff is scattered all over the place. maybe 10% has been fixed/modified by me in oc-proper
L128[04:37:22] <pay​onel> openos is 99% redone
L129[04:37:34] <pay​onel> sangar wrote openos <=1.5
L130[04:37:42] <pay​onel> i made some fixes to 1.5
L131[04:37:57] <Corded> * <Ocawes​ome101> finds OC1.4, looks at OpenOS
L132[04:37:59] <pay​onel> 1.6 was when i redid it
L133[04:38:27] <Ocawes​ome101> was there a specific reason you did it?
L134[04:38:34] <pay​onel> at first, pipes
L135[04:38:41] <pay​onel> then std io
L136[04:38:45] <pay​onel> then .. .shell parsing bugs
L137[04:38:51] <pay​onel> then process env issues
L138[04:38:57] <pay​onel> then ... tty performance
L139[04:39:01] <pay​onel> then tty wide char support
L140[04:39:10] <pay​onel> then <thinks...> threads at some point
L141[04:39:12] <pay​onel> symlinks
L142[04:39:21] <pay​onel> process error handling
L143[04:39:23] <pay​onel> um
L144[04:39:32] <pay​onel> then redid pipes
L145[04:39:35] <pay​onel> and process loading
L146[04:39:44] <pay​onel> it was just...all over the place
L147[04:39:46] <Ocawes​ome101> in short, everything
L148[04:40:28] <pay​onel> the hardest part of openos has definitely been the "don't break people's stuff"
L149[04:40:48] <Ocawes​ome101> ~~sounds like Windows~~
L150[04:42:27] <pay​onel> hehe 🙂
L151[04:45:01] <Ocawes​ome101> \o/ no `package.delay` in old OpenOS
L152[04:45:22] <pay​onel> yeah, and no package.delay in ocos
L153[04:45:30] <Ocawes​ome101> g o o d
L154[04:46:01] <Ocawes​ome101> I don't think I've ever written an OS that couldn't run fairly well on a completely T1 machine with 192k of RAM
L155[04:46:25] <pay​onel> openos does a lot more than a minimal os
L156[04:46:32] <Ocawes​ome101> and that's with very little memory optimization
L157[04:46:34] <Ocawes​ome101> that's true
L158[04:47:23] <pay​onel> the problem with openos and memory isn't just the large feature set
L159[04:47:38] <Ocawes​ome101> is it the metatables everywhere? :P
L160[04:47:43] <pay​onel> but new people want to be able to install openos on 1 stick of T1 ram, and do some simple script without running out of memory
L161[04:47:48] <pay​onel> things should mostly work out of the box
L162[04:47:57] <Ocawes​ome101> right
L163[04:48:07] <pay​onel> so it's not just "make it fit in 192k ram"
L164[04:48:14] <pay​onel> but it actually leaves ~80k free
L165[04:48:27] <pay​onel> sorry, 70k, not 80k
L166[04:48:35] <pay​onel> anyways, it's aggresively optimized for low mem
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L168[04:48:37] <Ocawes​ome101> so does OCOS (how do you stylize it?) just have dynamically loaded modules or something?
L169[04:49:14] <pay​onel> it isn't dynamic at all, its design uses modules
L170[04:49:23] <pay​onel> if you want more, you enable more. if you want less, you disable more
L171[04:49:38] <Ocawes​ome101> that's... more or less what I meant
L172[04:49:44] <AshleighTheCutie> lol
L173[04:49:51] <Ocawes​ome101> is it a microkernel, then?
L174[04:50:07] <pay​onel> yeah. moreso
L175[04:50:29] <pay​onel> some procedures are more important and get first class status
L176[04:50:41] <Ocawes​ome101> both my attempts at a proper microkernel have failed, mostly because of crappy IPC
L177[04:50:44] <pay​onel> in the real world, more would be in modules than what i do
L178[04:50:48] <pay​onel> but i save memory in these cases
L179[04:51:06] <Ocawes​ome101> mhm
L180[04:51:19] <pay​onel> but if i consider it to be a core procedure, i add it to the kernel
L181[04:51:31] <Ocawes​ome101> like filesystem management?
L182[04:52:01] <pay​onel> yes, though, that part is quite different
L183[04:52:05] <pay​onel> + from openos
L184[04:52:10] <pay​onel> anyways, it's in development 🙂
L185[04:52:16] <pay​onel> well, paused currently
L186[04:52:43] <Ocawes​ome101> so that makes it more of a hybrid kernel
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L188[04:53:40] <AshleighTheCutie> welcome ^^
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L192[04:55:13] <Ocawes​ome101> will OCOS have user accounts?
L193[04:55:28] <pay​onel> undecided
L194[04:55:47] <Sagh​etti> OCOS: Server Edition
L195[04:56:02] <AshleighTheCutie> nO
L196[04:56:08] <Ocawes​ome101> lol
L197[04:56:32] <Sagh​etti> and allow standard OCOS to tunnel to a OCOS server
L198[04:56:33] <Ocawes​ome101> also I ditched the idea of an initramfs for Monolith
L199[04:56:40] <Ocawes​ome101> since I wasn't using it anyway
L200[05:02:17] <Ocawes​ome101> AshleighTheCutie: MGR made a deal with me not to release Monolith until we get GERTi v1.3 ported to it
L201[05:02:39] <Ocawes​ome101> so now you have a general ETA, maybe-kinda-sorta-ish
L202[05:03:40] <AshleighTheCutie> oki
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L204[05:48:57] <Izaya> that must've been an interesting discussion
L205[05:52:43] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> initramfs is fun
L206[05:54:16] <Sagh​etti> initrd where its at
L207[05:54:21] <Ocawes​ome101> Izaya: ?
L208[05:54:29] <AshleighTheCutie> found a funny OC bug
L209[05:54:40] <Ocawes​ome101> Saghetti: I decided it wasn't practical :P
L210[05:54:45] <Ocawes​ome101> ATC: oh?
L211[05:54:45] <AshleighTheCutie> holding down Shift while pressing backspace doesnt backspace
L212[05:54:50] <Izaya> ah shit
L213[05:55:17] <Ocawes​ome101> ATC: interesting
L214[05:55:31] <Izaya> would TCP break on arch if I'm running it in a container on debian with an older kernel
L215[05:55:33] <AshleighTheCutie> even though it does on any other text box on my system
L216[05:55:50] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> Izaya: why
L217[05:56:04] <Izaya> because TCP is broken in an arch container running on debian
L218[05:56:25] <ThePi​Guy24> %tonk
L219[05:56:26] <MichiBot> Sard! ThePi​Guy24! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 2 hours, 22 minutes and 3 seconds (By 5 hours and 33 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L220[05:56:27] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24's new record is 7 hours, 22 minutes and 36 seconds! ThePiGuy24 also gained 0.01503 (0.00501 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #5. Need 0.12757 more points to pass simo​n816!
L221[05:57:10] <pay​onel> AshleighTheCutie can you run dmesg and press backspace and tell me the codes you get?
L222[05:57:17] <AshleighTheCutie> oki, gimme a sec
L223[05:57:18] <pay​onel> e.g. `8 14`
L224[05:58:25] <Izaya> shift-backspace and backspace should generate different key codes, no?
L225[05:58:49] <Ocawes​ome101> on OCVM they don't
L226[05:59:06] <AshleighTheCutie> normal backspace: 8 & 14
L227[05:59:07] <AshleighTheCutie> Shift+Backspace: 8 & 14
L228[06:00:54] <pay​onel> ok where is the bug? in shell or edit or where?
L229[06:01:05] <AshleighTheCutie> anywwhere it seems
L230[06:01:14] <AshleighTheCutie> ewait no, edit it would seem
L231[06:01:17] <AshleighTheCutie> huh
L232[06:01:20] <AshleighTheCutie> hang on
L233[06:01:29] <pay​onel> you're talking about oc, not ocvm, right?
L234[06:02:04] <AshleighTheCutie> OC, and it seems to only be edit
L235[06:02:21] <pay​onel> yeah, i see it in edit too. just an edit bug
L236[06:02:26] <pay​onel> ok
L237[06:02:51] <AshleighTheCutie> i thought it was everywhere xd
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L239[06:07:54] <pay​onel> AshleighTheCutie ok thanks. i have a fix
L240[06:08:03] <AshleighTheCutie> yeey
L241[06:08:07] <AshleighTheCutie> thanku
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L243[06:10:08] <pay​onel> you can `wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/bin/edit.lua -O /bin/edit.lua`
L244[06:10:13] <pay​onel> and `rm /etc/edit.cfg`
L245[06:10:15] <pay​onel> then it should work
L246[06:10:37] <Ar​iri> For JS, is there a better way to turn an array into a string so I don't have to regex the `,` into whitespaces?
L247[06:10:43] <Ar​iri> For JS, is there a better way to turn an array into a sentence string so I don't have to regex the `,` into whitespaces? [Edited]
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L251[07:30:41] <Forec​aster> @Ariri what do you mean?
L252[07:31:59] <Ar​iri> If args = ['these', 'are', 'my', 'arguments'}
L253[07:31:59] <Ar​iri> How can I make args into "these are my arguments" when the size and content will vary
L254[07:32:24] <Forec​aster> %is ["these","are","words"].join(" ")
L255[07:32:40] <Forec​aster> %js ["these","are","words"].join(" ")
L256[07:33:16] <Forec​aster> Uh
L257[07:33:34] <Ar​iri> That will make it into "these,are,my,arguments" no?
L258[07:33:41] <Forec​aster> No
L259[07:34:23] <Forec​aster> It is not tostring
L260[07:35:16] <Forec​aster> %test
L261[07:35:16] <MichiBot> Forec​​aster: No.
L262[07:35:40] <Ar​iri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/GNQdZ33oA6GpR3q/preview
L263[07:35:41] <Ar​iri> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ozitoguhotJoined args: ${text}Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ifaziyaburSentence form: ${text}`)
L264[07:35:41] <Ar​iri> ```
L265[07:35:50] <Forec​aster> Huh, I could have sworn there was a js command
L266[07:36:02] <Ar​iri> (~setstatus is not part of args btw)
L267[07:36:03] <Izaya> optiplex 9020m arrived
L268[07:36:04] <Izaya> it's so cute
L269[07:36:06] <Izaya> :D
L270[07:37:02] <Forec​aster> @Ariri did you not see the argument I gave to join
L271[07:37:49] <Ar​iri> I missed that part on w3... I get what you mean now
L272[07:38:04] <Forec​aster> The default is , but you can specify the join char
L273[07:39:01] <Ar​iri> That makes things easier, thanks.
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L275[07:40:32] <Saghetti> its me again
L276[07:40:56] <Saghetti> late night ramblimg saghetti
L277[07:41:39] <Saghetti> OC mainframes are pretty cool
L278[07:42:27] <Saghetti> sad that there isnt really a lot of software that is built for servers
L279[07:42:35] <Ar​iri> Hello, late night ramblimg saghetti
L280[07:42:37] <Saghetti> or just not that i know of
L281[07:42:48] <Saghetti> sup
L282[07:43:01] <Ar​iri> tis I, late night debugging Ariri
L283[07:44:18] <Saghetti> d
L284[07:44:24] <Saghetti> fun*
L285[07:44:48] <Saghetti> whatcha debugging?
L286[07:45:23] <Ar​iri> My rinky dinky Discord copy of MichiBot
L287[07:45:39] <Ar​iri> Gonna make a tonk system and stuff when I get a db setup
L288[07:45:46] <Saghetti> oh cool
L289[07:46:15] <Saghetti> i wonder if theres a standalone tonk game
L290[07:46:19] <Ar​iri> Right now trying to figure out how to run a function if a message includes any of the multiple values
L291[07:46:36] <Ar​iri> My best guess is a modified hot potato game
L292[07:47:19] <Saghetti> wouldnt you be able to just steal michibot's code
L293[07:47:26] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/895623a8e5f85e1d7bffef533afd0141ea80a68caece08ebc7251291deb71ed3.jpg
L294[07:47:27] <Saghetti> and adapt it for discord?
L295[07:47:31] <Izaya> look how smol it is
L296[07:47:47] <Ar​iri> Its in javascript, for one, and I want to learn the language too
L297[07:48:03] <Saghetti> cant see the image
L298[07:48:04] <Ar​iri> Its in javascript and I want to learn the language too [Edited]
L299[07:48:19] <Ar​iri> http://tinyurl.com/y9rjjz7t
L300[07:48:24] <Ar​iri> Image^
L301[07:48:34] <Ar​iri> Its weeny
L302[07:48:34] <Saghetti> oh ty
L303[07:48:44] <Saghetti> another problem though
L304[07:48:49] <pay​onel> http://tinyurl.com/ycha4fv7
L305[07:48:55] <Forec​aster> I have a similar computer
L306[07:49:13] <Forec​aster> I use it as a media client for my TV
L307[07:49:18] <Saghetti> this web browser dont have tabs
L308[07:49:19] <Izaya> yeah that's the plan for this one
L309[07:49:36] <Forec​aster> and client for streaming steam games
L310[07:49:39] <Izaya> kodi and steam
L311[07:50:01] <Izaya> Saghetti: not sure how useful it'd be on an e-paper screen anyway
L312[07:50:04] <Izaya> not enough colours
L313[07:50:10] <Forec​aster> it's not powerful whatsoever (can barely run a 2D game with physics) but it works to stream things to
L314[07:50:32] <Izaya> this one has a laptop haswell i3
L315[07:50:45] <Izaya> I'm hoping that's enough CPU power to decode 1080p HEVC video
L316[07:50:54] <Forec​aster> I don't remember what mine has in it, but it's not powerful at all
L317[07:51:03] <Izaya> it'll be an improvement over the core 2 duo machine I have behind the TV now, anyway
L318[07:51:07] <Saghetti> so if i clicked it, it would close my irc
L319[07:51:07] <Saghetti> im assuming its a smol pc
L320[07:51:07] <Saghetti> i mean monochrome is cool
L321[07:51:35] <Lizzy> A top tip if you're putting a server in a hard to reach place: actually install some way to remote into it before you put stuff in front of it
L322[07:51:37] <Saghetti> my cisco firewall actually has a dual core intel i3
L323[07:51:39] <Forec​aster> but I got it for free so I can't complain
L324[07:51:41] <Izaya> considering getting another one to use as a smol server
L325[07:51:55] <Izaya> logs and such
L326[07:51:58] <Izaya> monitoring
L327[07:52:41] <Saghetti> 1u pizza box servers are cute
L328[07:52:58] <Izaya> god I'd love a 19"x19" server
L329[07:53:09] <Izaya> exactly the size my rack can deal with
L330[07:53:57] <Izaya> I found a $250 4U ATX server case
L331[07:54:13] <Izaya> not quite enough drive bays for my plans but I can convert the 5.25" bays into 3.5" bays
L332[07:54:32] <Izaya> v tempting
L333[07:55:43] <Saghetti> o_O
L334[07:55:43] <Saghetti> 4u??
L335[07:55:43] <Saghetti> wow
L336[07:55:51] <Inari> 32u!
L337[07:56:02] <Izaya> if I go smaller they get deeper
L338[07:56:13] <Izaya> and I only have a comm rack, not a real server rack
L339[07:56:43] <Saghetti> the server that's as tall as the entire rack
L340[07:56:58] <Saghetti> hundreds of drive bays
L341[07:57:03] <Izaya> :D
L342[07:57:43] <Saghetti> also on the subject of srvers
L343[07:57:55] <Saghetti> any good oc server software?
L344[07:57:58] <Izaya> > when the server is the whole rack tall so they rack components instead of servers
L345[07:58:06] <Izaya> server software?
L346[07:58:25] <Saghetti> like mainframe thing
L347[07:58:53] <Saghetti> where you can remote into an oc server
L348[07:59:03] <Saghetti> multiuser and multitasking
L349[07:59:14] <Saghetti> is that what minitel is?
L350[07:59:20] <Izaya> PsychOS includes a networked terminal server that runs over Minitel
L351[07:59:39] <Izaya> There's psh for OpenOS but I'm not sure if you can do multi-user stuff with that
L352[07:59:44] <Saghetti> so minitel is just oc telnet
L353[07:59:49] <Izaya> no
L354[07:59:52] <Izaya> minitel is a network stack
L355[08:00:27] <Saghetti> so like tcp/ip for oc?
L356[08:00:34] <Izaya> yeah
L357[08:00:45] <Saghetti> ooooh
L358[08:00:50] <Izaya> I stole a lot of ideas from AppleTalk
L359[08:01:09] <Saghetti> appletalk sounds cool ngl
L360[08:02:22] <Saghetti> i wonder if you could use mirors to do appletalk infared around corners
L361[08:02:39] <Saghetti> or maybe use it witha toslink cable
L362[08:02:51] <Izaya> minitel in practice has two layers - one that does packet routing and reliability, and another that gives you streams on top of it
L363[08:02:52] <Inari> Will toss your link
L364[08:03:32] <Saghetti> so analogous to ip and tcp basically
L365[08:03:42] <Saghetti> sounds like fun
L366[08:04:30] <Izaya> notable weirdness: designed to be simple to implement, uses hostnames as addresses, does mesh flood routing with a route cache
L367[08:06:06] <Saghetti> i mean for me, just a peer to peer stream protocol would work
L368[08:06:39] <Saghetti> cursed idea: OpenOS Server 2020
L369[08:07:45] <Saghetti> and OpenOS Enterprise Edition with support for directory services
L370[08:07:53] <CompanionCube> Izaya: and you stole the name from france's internet-competitor :)
L371[08:08:25] <Izaya> yup
L372[08:08:39] <Izaya> they shut it down in like
L373[08:08:40] <Izaya> 2012
L374[08:09:00] <Izaya> oh, also potentially interesting: requires no routing infrastructure
L375[08:10:02] <Izaya> every node is also a router so stuff Just Works tm
L376[08:10:14] <Saghetti> ip addresses replaced with networl card addresses
L377[08:10:39] <CompanionCube> Saghetti: i once had the cursed idea that for BTM I would resurrect the dead OSI protocols and use them in OC somehow
L378[08:10:52] <Izaya> CompanionCube: next I'll write a rip-off of Inside AppleTalk called Inside Minitel
L379[08:11:01] <Saghetti> btm?
L380[08:11:17] <CompanionCube> Saghetti: in-game modded minecraft convention
L381[08:11:28] <Saghetti> oh ok
L382[08:11:40] <CompanionCube> but the event was canceled so it never materialised
L383[08:11:52] <Saghetti> so like hosting minecon on a giant mc server
L384[08:12:10] <CompanionCube> and in one instance actually watching minecon live insid3 the server
L385[08:12:46] <Saghetti> google stadia in mc
L386[08:12:50] <CompanionCube> there's video of that happening, btw, even if the quality is obviously worse than 144p lol
L387[08:13:05] <Saghetti> we can finally do minecraft ception
L388[08:13:31] <CompanionCube> but yeah, was quite the expedition of various mods
L389[08:14:11] <Saghetti> GSM in OC
L390[08:15:00] <Saghetti> petiton to make a system-on-card
L391[08:15:16] <Saghetti> so i can put my computer in my computer
L392[08:15:30] <CompanionCube> what's more enterprise than the thing that LDAP is apparently L compared to or something
L393[08:15:53] <Saghetti> (then i could do proper SIM cards)
L394[08:16:57] <Saghetti> javacard is weiiird
L395[08:17:47] <CompanionCube> Izaya: 'inside minitel' would be a short document though
L396[08:18:44] <Izaya> yeah there's not a lot to it
L397[08:18:47] <Izaya> maybe I should do it
L398[08:20:44] <Saghetti> man i wish i could do fun oc stuff
L399[08:20:55] <Saghetti> but i currently need to work on bungeecord backend server managment and load balncing
L400[08:21:07] <Saghetti> using redis of course
L401[08:21:23] <Saghetti> redis is actually addictive
L402[08:21:45] <Saghetti> you cant stop once youve started
L403[08:22:38] <Saghetti> s/managment/management/
L404[08:22:38] <MichiBot> <Saghetti> but i currently need to work on bungeecord backend server management and load balncing
L405[08:23:15] <Saghetti> s/balncing/balancing
L406[08:23:15] <MichiBot> <Saghetti> but i currently need to work on bungeecord backend server management and load balancing
L407[08:23:53] <Saghetti> wait how does michi know what message to correct?
L408[08:24:05] <Saghetti> experimen tim
L409[08:24:08] <Saghetti> e
L410[08:24:26] <Saghetti> s/foo/bar/
L411[08:24:37] <Saghetti> ah ok
L412[08:24:42] <Saghetti> thats how
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L414[08:32:56] <Saghetti> im out for npw
L415[08:32:59] <Saghetti> peace
L416[08:33:12] <Saghetti> now*
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L427[09:15:47] <ander> hey,body?
L428[09:15:59] <Forec​aster> %hello
L429[09:16:00] <MichiBot> Forec​​aster: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L431[09:16:48] <Forec​aster> %bye
L432[09:16:49] <MichiBot> Forec​​aster: Oh, well, bye I guess...
L433[09:17:03] <Alaura> Do we know when OC might see the daylight of 1.15?
L434[09:17:21] <Forec​aster> whenever payonel finishes OC2
L435[09:17:52] <Alaura> Good to know, I need my OC fix, been going back to 1.12 just to play with it and code in it, can't wait to see what OC2 brings to the spotlight of 1.15.2
L436[09:25:29] <pay​onel> y'all keep talking about oc2 ... i really announced this too early
L437[09:25:46] <Vexatos> yes you did
L438[09:26:00] <SquidDev> Correct thing to do is now vanish for three years. Worked for CC :p.
L439[09:26:06] <pay​onel> haha
L440[09:26:51] <Vexatos> SquidDev, implying CC2 will be released tomorrow
L441[09:27:05] <pay​onel> yep. we're doing a joint release
L442[09:27:16] <Klea​dron> Oh shit
L443[09:27:49] <Alaura> Computer craft 2 with Open computers 2, will still be using OC2 for as long as im playing MC, more accustomed to the many blocks OC adds.
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L445[09:38:33] <Ala​ura> Eyo.
L446[09:39:28] <Forec​aster> hi
L447[09:49:05] <Corded> * <andrew[a​ndrboot]> is back with more stupid question, i have a variable that puts out a value of either 0.xx or -0.xx
L448[09:49:27] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> i try to do a $value >0 but it doesn't seem to trigger then the value is 0.xx or -0.xx
L449[09:49:53] <pay​onel> lua?
L450[09:50:18] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> yea
L451[09:50:39] <pay​onel> it should work then
L452[09:50:44] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> 😦
L453[09:50:47] <pay​onel> although, $ isn't lua
L454[09:50:53] <pay​onel> you must have another issue
L455[09:50:59] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> $value was a representative 😛
L456[09:51:12] <Forec​aster> show your code
L457[09:51:13] <pay​onel> a bad one 😛
L458[09:51:42] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> https://pastebin.com/H8wSSVJZ | line 389
L459[09:52:09] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> and for the 'intergratoin' reference - https://github.com/TeamOpenIndustry/ImmersiveRailroadingIntegration/blob/50ec208298cf2cd97afe93675bbc80419b64a271/src/main/java/cam72cam/immersiverailroading/thirdparty/CommonAPI.java
L460[09:52:22] <pay​onel> ` stock.throttle >0.0` ?
L461[09:52:27] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> yea
L462[09:52:34] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> tried 0 also no go
L463[09:52:38] <pay​onel> there is a whole lot more on that line than just >0
L464[09:52:42] <pay​onel> ` if ( stock.throttle >0.0 and stock ~= nil and stock.horsepower ~= nil and rsdetect.getInput(1) == 0 and not stock.tag == '') then`
L465[09:52:49] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> yea the rest of it works fine 😛
L466[09:52:52] <pay​onel> `0` == `0.0` there is no dif
L467[09:52:55] <pay​onel> sure it does
L468[09:52:58] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> hmm
L469[09:55:16] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> okay you have a point 🙂
L470[09:56:10] <pay​onel> im normally more helpful 🙂
L471[09:56:15] <pay​onel> but it's 2am here and i'm off to ebd
L472[09:56:18] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> no worries 🙂
L473[09:56:19] <pay​onel> i.e. bed
L474[09:56:26] <pay​onel> good luck. print more 🙂
L475[09:57:10] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> hah. yea
L476[10:00:47] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVx3Xp9OVE8
L477[10:00:48] <MichiBot> Animal Crossing | Horror Movie Trailer | length: 1m 53s | Likes: 15,673 Dislikes: 41 Views: 140,944 | by Evil Imp | Published On 1/5/2020
L478[10:03:32] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> So, it should work even if the vaslue is like 0.319999996304512 ?
L479[10:03:55] <Forec​aster> %lua 0.319999996304512 > 0
L480[10:03:55] <MichiBot> true
L481[10:04:02] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> hmm
L482[10:04:13] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> my print output is true.
L483[10:04:14] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> wierd
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L485[10:30:51] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> %lua not 0.319999996304512 < 0
L486[10:30:52] <MichiBot> main:1: attempt to compare boolean with number
L487[10:31:11] <Corded> * <andrew[a​ndrboot]> sighs
L488[10:31:28] <Kristo​pher38> You need to wrap your comparison in parens
L489[10:31:49] <Kristo​pher38> %lua not (0.319999996304512 < 0)
L490[10:31:50] <MichiBot> true
L491[10:31:53] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> ah.
L492[10:32:10] <Kristo​pher38> Lua is first evaluating that not on your 0.31999
L493[10:33:20] <Forec​aster> dammit...
L494[10:33:39] <Forec​aster> I need 20 computer components to make a basic assembler, but this base don't sell them :|
L495[10:36:38] <Forec​aster> !!!
L496[10:36:58] <Forec​aster> 49 computers from a drop! just what I needed
L497[10:40:02] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> Is it safe to do and not #stock.tag >0 or better to do == ''
L498[10:40:11] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> its a string that is returned or , nill?
L499[10:40:14] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> *nil
L500[10:40:27] <immibis> Forecaster: lol what kind of modpack is that
L501[10:40:38] <Forec​aster> Space Engineers :P
L502[10:40:47] <immibis> oh, not minecraft
L503[11:11:25] <Kristo​pher38> @andrew[andrboot] I can't understand what you mean
L504[11:11:31] <Kristo​pher38> Ideally post specific examples
L505[11:13:01] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check that your ME network isn't dying
L506[11:19:19] <Inari> I need to try Space Engineers again
L507[11:19:27] <Inari> But it always seems to have a lack of things to actually do
L508[11:20:13] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> okay! making progress
L509[11:20:36] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> https://pastebin.com/H8wSSVJZ | line 391 , if the number is a '-0.XX' then it crashes, and errors with attempting to compare nil with a number.
L510[11:20:56] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> should I just change it to compare with nil? and it will match oh damn
L511[11:20:58] <Forec​aster> my current goal is to get my starting vehicle unstuck and actually able to traverse by either converting it to a hover vehicle or by enabling it to fly
L512[11:21:10] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> so doing nil, covers nothing or less then 0?
L513[11:21:20] <Forec​aster> no
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L515[11:21:33] <Forec​aster> 0 is not nil
L516[11:21:41] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> right, but if it is less then 0 its nil?
L517[11:21:45] <Forec​aster> no
L518[11:21:49] <Forec​aster> a number is not nil
L519[11:21:51] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> according.. to my output?
L520[11:22:00] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> oh. the output is -0.XX
L521[11:22:12] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> not just 0.XX
L522[11:24:04] <andrew[a​ndrboot]> thats okay, i will use both ,see how we go
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L527[12:42:42] <Amanda> %bite Comcast
L528[12:42:42] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is biting Comcast for 1d6 => 6 damage!
L529[12:42:49] <Amanda> Finally!
L530[12:55:36] <Forec​aster> mmm grinders http://tinyurl.com/yaqz4exo
L531[13:03:35] <B​ob> ah yes
L532[13:03:48] <B​ob> ~~15 deaths~~
L533[13:03:58] <Forec​aster> no I bought them
L534[13:06:41] <Kristo​pher38> why would you
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L536[13:08:07] <Forec​aster> to disassemble for the cobalt
L537[13:08:09] <Amanda> to melt down
L538[13:08:26] * Amanda melts down Inari's trinkets
L539[13:08:36] <Inari> Rude D:
L540[13:08:38] <Inari> %splash Amanda
L541[13:08:38] <MichiBot> You fling a solid diamond potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. The next pie Amanda eats tastes slightly less good.
L542[13:08:54] <Amanda> good thing I don't eat pie that often
L543[13:10:04] <Forec​aster> YES
L544[13:10:10] <Amanda> NO!
L545[13:10:12] <Forec​aster> finally got enough cobalt for the last grid
L546[13:12:11] <Forec​aster> and proper assembler!
L547[13:12:12] <Forec​aster> finally
L548[13:12:53] <B​ob> that time you need 1500 steel plates but you've found all ores but iron
L549[13:12:58] <Forec​aster> oh
L550[13:13:02] <B​ob> platinum before iron
L551[13:13:11] <Forec​aster> but my one wind turbine is not enough to power it
L552[13:13:18] <Forec​aster> I have no ores except nickel
L553[13:19:47] <Kristo​pher38> oof
L554[13:19:53] <Amanda> Time to go mining?
L555[13:25:46] <Forec​aster> yes, for nickel :P
L556[13:25:50] <Forec​aster> cause I need motors
L557[13:27:01] <Forec​aster> there, second wind turbine, now the refinery can run without complaining, hopefully the assembler has enough power now too
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L562[13:36:51] <B​ob> attach big ore detector to small car
L563[13:36:52] <B​ob> profit
L564[13:42:11] <Forec​aster> yeah, that'd be great, except my car is stuck on a mountain :P
L565[13:42:29] <Forec​aster> driving in this environment is near impossible
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L567[13:42:44] <Forec​aster> hence the earlier goal of converting it to either a hover vehicle or a flying vehicle
L568[13:48:22] <Forec​aster> and it's gonna have to be hover, cause I haven't unlocked thrusters yet
L569[13:56:14] <Izaya> thoughts on smol computers to use as routers
L570[13:58:02] <B​ob> OC IRL achieved
L571[14:03:27] <Forec​aster> now I just need 4 gravity components...
L572[14:03:39] <Forec​aster> which cost 460k each...
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L575[14:15:05] <Izaya> man
L576[14:15:10] <Izaya> do you ever do something
L577[14:15:12] <Izaya> and it works
L578[14:15:20] <Izaya> and you wish it didn't because it's a horrible hack
L579[14:15:32] <Izaya> anyway
L580[14:15:36] <Izaya> recommend OpenWRT routers pls
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L582[14:38:54] <Kristo​pher38> do you ever do something
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L584[14:38:59] <Kristo​pher38> and the tests pass
L585[14:39:31] <Izaya> no
L586[14:39:35] <Kristo​pher38> and you are wondering how did you manage to do it the first time
L587[14:39:52] <Kristo​pher38> do it right*
L588[14:40:03] <Kristo​pher38> but then it doesn't work in your debug environment for some reason
L589[14:46:23] <Kristo​pher38> it's a debugger error...
L590[14:49:11] <Kristo​pher38> yeah, what can go wrong if you use a debugger which is using stdlib functions and set one of the them to nil...
L591[14:50:29] * Amanda sets Inari to nil
L592[14:50:43] <Inari> %lua Amanda = nil
L593[14:51:24] <Kristo​pher38> `print` uses `tostring` internally so if you set `tostring` to nil everything that requires printing won't work
L594[14:51:33] <Amanda> Inari~ I'm bored~
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L596[14:55:27] <Inari> Amanda: See a doctor?
L597[14:55:42] <Amanda> Why? I'm not sick, just bore.
L598[14:55:44] <Amanda> d
L599[15:04:30] <Forec​aster> Amanda is turning into a were-drill! D:
L600[15:04:54] <Amanda> more like neko-drill, since I'm not a human. :3
L601[15:04:54] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L602[15:04:55] <MichiBot> Dad-Sizzle! Squi​dDev! You beat ThePi​Guy24's previous record of 7 hours, 22 minutes and 36 seconds (By 1 hour, 45 minutes and 52 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L603[15:04:55] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.28024. Position #6 Need 0.03936 more points to pass ThePi​Guy24!
L604[15:08:05] <Ocawes​ome101> %lua string.dump(print)
L605[15:08:05] <MichiBot> main:1: attempt to call field 'dump' (a nil value)
L606[15:11:20] <B​ob> e
L607[15:13:20] <Amanda> NOw listen here you little shits, you've already somehow meme'd F and B, no more letters!
L608[15:14:15] <Forec​aster> https://loadingartist.com/comic/stuck-up/
L609[15:14:24] <Forec​aster> cat related
L610[15:31:57] <Amanda> %choose keep sitting aorund or space fishies
L611[15:31:57] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about "keep sitting aorund"
L612[15:32:09] <Amanda> %choose do you have a lot of gold nuggets?
L613[15:32:09] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Hm. I can't choose. Ask me again in a couple of minutes.
L614[15:32:19] <Amanda> ...
L615[15:36:57] <Amanda> guess I'll go back into MC and see how my quarry is going
L616[16:00:46] <Kristo​pher38> lua goes oof http://tinyurl.com/y6uds9ph
L617[16:04:18] * AshleighTheCutie pats Amanda
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L622[16:39:27] <Amanda> %choose space fishies?
L623[16:39:27] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Hm. I can't choose. Ask me again in a couple of minutes.
L624[16:39:43] <Amanda> %remindme 2m ask again
L625[16:39:43] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "ask again" at 05/07/2020 10:41:43 AM
L626[16:40:32] <Inari> %sip
L627[16:40:32] <MichiBot> You drink a liquid black potion (New!). Inari hears a train whistle in the distance.
L628[16:41:43] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: ask again
L629[16:42:40] <Sagh​etti> imagine playing space engineers
L630[16:44:36] <Amanda> %choose space fishies?
L631[16:44:36] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Why would you do that when you could do something else instead?
L632[16:46:50] <Inari> Ugh
L633[16:46:57] <Inari> Why does U buntu not want to install now
L634[16:47:26] <Forec​aster> maybe you put a space where there shouldn't be one and it was insulted
L635[16:49:15] <Inari> Come onnnnnnnn
L636[16:49:39] * Amanda installs Windows ME oon Inari's left eye
L637[16:49:44] <Inari> D:
L638[16:49:54] <AshleighTheCutie> Inari: what version and release? e.g. Ubuntu 19.04 Server, etc.
L639[16:50:02] <AshleighTheCutie> and what hardware?
L640[16:50:21] <Amanda> %8ball noms?
L641[16:50:22] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I don't think that's a question...
L642[16:50:32] <Amanda> %8ball NOOOOOMMMSS?
L643[16:50:32] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Signs point to yes
L644[16:50:33] <AshleighTheCutie> noms...
L645[16:50:42] * Amanda goes on the hunt in the kitchen
L646[16:50:43] <AshleighTheCutie> om nom nom
L647[16:51:30] <AshleighTheCutie> anyone here got any cool drone remote control programs?
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L649[16:55:01] <SquidDev> %tonk
L650[16:55:01] <MichiBot> Sard! Squi​dDev! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 50 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L651[16:55:02] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new record is 1 hour, 50 minutes and 6 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00184)
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L653[16:55:38] <Inari> Well , screw Ubuntu then
L654[16:56:02] <AshleighTheCutie> what version?
L655[16:56:02] <Amanda> Inari'll build her own distro! with Tenticles! and Hookers! and... forget the distro
L656[16:56:17] <Inari> 🤔
L657[16:56:38] <AshleighTheCutie> i'll be leaving now
L658[16:57:06] <Inari> Lets try mint
L659[16:57:12] <Inari> AshleighTheCutie: 19.10 or so
L660[16:57:21] <AshleighTheCutie> on what hardware?
L661[16:57:27] <Inari> virtualbox :p
L662[17:05:52] <Kristo​pher38> so turns out implementing load() is way more complicated than I thought
L663[17:07:38] <Sagh​etti> do you need to make a lua compiler in lua?
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L665[17:08:38] <Kristo​pher38> nah
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L667[17:09:47] <Kristo​pher38> just making it return a function that's gonna run in my vm rather than in the real lua creates a lot of bugs
L668[17:10:54] <Sagh​etti> if you didn't do that, you wouldn't be able to be oc compatibler
L669[17:10:55] <Sagh​etti> if you didn't do that, you wouldn't be able to be oc compatible [Edited]
L670[17:10:59] <Sagh​etti> no bytecode loading
L671[17:12:31] <Kristo​pher38> load can also load a string containing code
L672[17:12:46] <Kristo​pher38> not sure if I understood you tho
L673[17:12:53] <Kristo​pher38> negations bad for brain
L674[17:12:53] <Sagh​etti> but OC wont let you load bytecode due to security reasons
L675[17:13:38] <AshleighTheCutie> what command do I run in lua to view the current tablet energy
L676[17:13:41] <Kristo​pher38> yeah, but I can load bytecode :P why shouldn't I allow it, and also I can disable it easily
L677[17:13:59] <AshleighTheCutie> it souldnt allow you to load bytecode
L678[17:14:03] <AshleighTheCutie> shouldnt*
L679[17:14:12] <Forec​aster> computer.getEnergy or something like that
L680[17:14:15] <Sagh​etti> computer.getStoredEnergy()
L681[17:14:23] <Sagh​etti> something along those lines
L682[17:15:01] <AshleighTheCutie> huh
L683[17:15:10] <AshleighTheCutie> i put an end at the end of the profram to end it
L684[17:15:17] <AshleighTheCutie> and it says EOF expected near end
L685[17:15:24] <AshleighTheCutie> program*
L686[17:15:26] <Forec​aster> that's not how that works
L687[17:15:37] <Forec​aster> programs end when they reach the end of the file
L688[17:15:42] <AshleighTheCutie> oh
L689[17:15:50] <AshleighTheCutie> good to know, thanks
L690[17:16:12] <Kristo​pher38> the issue with load() is, I could get away with using the builtin one if it didn't allow for custom environments, but it does, if the caller supplies one, everything on my side breaks because my functions now don't see any of their upvalues :P
L691[17:17:10] <Kristo​pher38> besides, why should the code from load() run in a normal Lua VM anyway, from logical point of view it should run in my VM
L692[17:17:11] <AshleighTheCutie> hm
L693[17:17:22] <AshleighTheCutie> the command returns attempt to index a nil value
L694[17:17:37] <AshleighTheCutie> this is on a tablet, should i use tablet.getStoredEnergy instead?
L695[17:20:10] <Forec​aster> maybe
L696[17:20:18] <Forec​aster> use whatever works
L697[17:23:14] <AshleighTheCutie> how do i put strings together in print?
L698[17:23:23] <Forec​aster> ..
L699[17:23:27] <AshleighTheCutie> the full line of code (and the only line of code) is:
L700[17:23:56] <AshleighTheCutie> print(computer.energy() + "/" + computer.maxEnergy())
L701[17:24:04] <Forec​aster> not +
L702[17:24:05] <Forec​aster> ..
L703[17:24:06] <AshleighTheCutie> im getting am arithmetic error
L704[17:24:15] <AshleighTheCutie> look, im a total newb
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L707[17:27:34] <AshleighTheCutie> oh
L708[17:27:56] <AshleighTheCutie> you werent sighing at me
L709[17:27:59] <Izaya> https://neckbeard.xyz/media/ced80ed8d82df2159b7e78d4f046aa234fe93fe50da6f9f93c3cab9573639a7b.mp4
L710[17:28:06] <AshleighTheCutie> you were telling me how
L711[17:28:11] <AshleighTheCutie> im an idiot
L712[17:28:13] <Forec​aster> yes :P
L713[17:28:23] <Forec​aster> sorry, didn't think about that
L714[17:29:03] <AshleighTheCutie> it's fine
L715[17:31:02] <Inari> https://i.imgur.com/n1BI0IZ.png
L716[17:31:59] <AshleighTheCutie> anyway, my lil energy programs works now
L717[17:32:07] <AshleighTheCutie> program*
L718[17:32:16] <AshleighTheCutie> thanku for help
L719[17:39:36] <AshleighTheCutie> huh, the programs was working
L720[17:40:11] <AshleighTheCutie> but now it says "attempt to index a nil value (global "computer")
L721[17:42:25] <B​ob> computer is a global by default iirc, try requiring it if youre on openOS tough
L722[17:47:02] <AshleighTheCutie> how do i require it?
L723[17:47:23] <AshleighTheCutie> sorry, was working on schoolwork
L724[17:47:24] <Izaya> ~w require
L725[17:47:25] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-require
L726[17:47:39] <B​ob> basic Lua ^^
L727[17:49:06] <AshleighTheCutie> so, local computer = require(computer)?
L728[17:49:18] <Izaya> read it again
L729[17:49:59] <AshleighTheCutie> aaaaaaa i have no clue what im doing
L730[17:50:26] <AshleighTheCutie> brb, reading the whole thing and trying not to get frustrated
L731[17:52:17] <B​ob> you almost got it
L732[17:55:42] <Izaya> Hm, the Lua docs don't have argument types.
L733[17:56:20] <AshleighTheCutie> global computer = require(computer)?
L734[17:56:28] <Izaya> nop
L735[17:56:32] <Izaya> require takes a string
L736[17:56:55] <Izaya> so unless previously, computer = "computer", neither of those would work, even if global was a valid keyword
L737[17:57:13] <AshleighTheCutie> so confused
L738[17:57:32] <Izaya> require takes a string as an argument
L739[17:57:35] <Amanda> AshleighTheCutie: quotes make a string
L740[17:57:40] <AshleighTheCutie> ah
L741[17:57:46] <B​ob> you haven't defiend astring
L742[17:57:49] <Amanda> foo ~= "foo" unless foo is set to "foo"
L743[17:57:52] <B​ob> so you feed whatever computer variable holds
L744[17:58:06] <AshleighTheCutie> brb, school work
L745[17:58:17] <AshleighTheCutie> i just wanna know why it worked before but not now
L746[17:58:17] <B​ob> cause as Amanda said `foo` points to the value in that variable while `"foo"` is a string
L747[17:59:02] <B​ob> there is no reason it can't work , time does not affect anything
L748[17:59:34] <AshleighTheCutie> let me put the one line of source coed here, for dissection and disgnostics
L749[17:59:38] <AshleighTheCutie> code*
L750[18:01:11] <AshleighTheCutie> 'print(computer.energy() .. "/" .. computer.maxEnergy())'
L751[18:01:17] <AshleighTheCutie> that's it, and it worked befotre
L752[18:01:20] <AshleighTheCutie> before*
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L755[18:01:39] <AshleighTheCutie> the error is...
L756[18:02:16] <AshleighTheCutie> 'attempt to inxes a nil value (global "computer)'
L757[18:02:26] <Amanda> did you try that in a lua shell, then made it into a script? In the shell, it'll auto-require stuff. in a script you have to do it yourself.
L758[18:02:55] <AshleighTheCutie> oh
L759[18:02:57] <AshleighTheCutie> oh dear
L760[18:03:01] <AshleighTheCutie> this is.. annoying
L761[18:03:08] <AshleighTheCutie> ill come back to this after schoolwork
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L763[18:19:51] <Forec​aster> okay...
L764[18:20:13] <Forec​aster> worth noting: linked cards with the same address is not good
L765[18:23:29] <B​ob> oof
L766[18:27:36] <Forec​aster> yeah
L767[18:27:48] <Forec​aster> so, copying mcu's didn't really work out for me
L768[18:28:03] <Forec​aster> but now the network<->tunnel relay is working
L769[18:28:17] <Forec​aster> now I just need some way to specify if it's one-way or not
L770[18:28:23] <Forec​aster> probably use the eeprom data for that
L771[18:29:29] <Forec​aster> oh no!
L772[18:29:31] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/yd9fjr85
L773[18:30:20] <Forec​aster> my PayPal (that I almost never use) has been limited, as this daily report (never received daily reports from PayPal before)!
L774[18:34:29] <M​GR> Yes, that's definitely from PayPal
L775[18:35:25] <B​ob> can i have that word document please ?
L776[18:36:21] <Forec​aster> why would you want that
L777[18:36:57] <Elfi> Sounds like Bob wants to have some fun
L778[18:38:01] <B​ob> F U N
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L780[18:44:37] <Amanda> %ping
L781[18:44:39] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 1.41s
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L783[18:47:55] <AshleighTheCutie> henlo
L784[18:49:16] <B​ob> :e:
L785[18:49:45] <AshleighTheCutie> huh?
L786[19:14:10] <Amanda> %stab @Bob
L787[19:14:10] <MichiBot> Ama​nda is stabbing @Bob with the crab emoji 🦀 for 1d4 => 1 damage! The crab emoji 🦀 tried to report a bug with no log and mysteriously vanished.
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L789[19:14:36] <B​ob> oh noes
L790[19:16:27] <Ar​iri> MichiBot silences the crab and covered it up. What did it know that she doesn’t want public
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L792[19:18:09] <AshleighTheCutie> henlo again
L793[19:18:25] <AshleighTheCutie> the computer running wocchat started crashing again
L794[19:22:07] <Forec​aster> you need to tell it sternly to stop doing that
L795[19:24:37] <Ocawes​ome101> %seen Izaya
L796[19:24:38] <MichiBot> Izaya was last seen 1h 27m 5s ago. Saying: require takes a string as an argument
L797[19:25:31] <Ocawes​ome101> Izaya: PsychOS is a microkernel
L798[19:25:32] <Ocawes​ome101> fight me
L799[19:27:58] <Forec​aster> %stab @Ocawesome101
L800[19:27:58] <MichiBot> Forec​aster is stabbing @Ocawesome101 with An out-of-tune Banjo for 1d4 => 2 damage! The out-of-tune Banjo angered a gnome and didn't get away in time.
L801[19:28:43] <pay​onel> %pet @Inari
L802[19:28:44] <MichiBot> pay​onel is brushing @Inari with an ounce of corporate paternalism. @Inari regains 1d4 => 2 hit points! The ounce of corporate paternalism didn't have an immunity to the common cold!
L803[19:30:44] <Kristo​pher38> Daily reminder to not use PayPal because they can screw over you as they please
L804[19:37:36] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L805[19:37:37] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket! Forec​aster! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of 1 hour, 50 minutes and 6 seconds (By 52 minutes and 28 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L806[19:37:38] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 42 minutes and 35 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00174 (0.00087 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.04137 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L808[19:41:46] <Amanda> Well, that's not nightmare fuel at all: https://nc.ddna.co/s/CGwzb8bcNQCm5py
L809[19:42:04] <Sagh​etti> beautiful
L810[19:53:38] <ThePi​Guy24> ayyy someone else here that plays scrap mechanic
L811[19:57:29] <Forec​aster> hm, turns out opening 1000 ports takes a while...
L812[19:57:47] <Forec​aster> I was wondering why the mcu didn't do anything for a while after first starting
L813[19:57:53] <Forec​aster> now I realize it's opening ports
L814[19:59:52] <M​GR> Can you even have 1000 ports open?
L815[19:59:55] <M​GR> I know there's a limit
L816[20:00:05] <Forec​aster> well it's not complaining
L817[20:00:23] <Forec​aster> and port 1 is working, so it hasn't closed them
L818[20:01:01] <M​GR> From examining the config files of a random modpack I have on hand, it's 16
L819[20:01:16] <M​GR> Yours might be configured differently, but it is configurable
L820[20:01:25] <Forec​aster> I haven't touched the configs
L821[20:01:33] <Forec​aster> I never do
L822[20:02:00] <M​GR> Then it might be a limit of 16 ports at once
L823[20:02:36] <Amanda> My main problem with SM's survival mode: https://nc.ddna.co/s/3fpy7gLTKJCP2Tz
L824[20:02:38] <Amanda> Can't see shit.
L825[20:03:15] <Amanda> and unless I'm missing it, there's no option for gamma adjustment
L826[20:03:37] <Forec​aster> @MGR turns out any port above 16 doesn't work
L827[20:03:47] <Forec​aster> @MGR turns out any port above 16 isn't working [Edited]
L828[20:03:48] <M​GR> Oof
L829[20:04:11] <Forec​aster> well... hm
L830[20:04:43] <Forec​aster> fortunately for these I only need one particular port
L831[20:04:53] <Forec​aster> but uh
L832[20:05:12] <Forec​aster> I might have to require specifying in the eeprom data which ports to open
L833[20:05:32] <Forec​aster> this confirms relays are magic
L834[20:05:50] <M​GR> They really are
L835[20:06:10] <Forec​aster> at least this'll reduce the bootup time, since there's no point having a 1,1000 loop
L836[20:06:18] <Ocawes​ome101> hrm, KDE's keyboard shortcuts have broken
L837[20:06:22] <Ocawes​ome101> again
L838[20:06:43] <Ocawes​ome101> it was kinputd5 or something that broke, and I can't remember how I fixed it
L839[20:07:00] <Forec​aster> also I guess modem.open will open up to 16 ports, then just silently fail and return false until some are closed
L840[20:07:20] <Forec​aster> which makes sense
L841[20:08:03] <Amanda> it should return false, someErrorMessage
L842[20:08:06] <Amanda> IIRC
L843[20:08:41] <Forec​aster> yes but there's no way to read that in a mcu without making it hard fail
L844[20:08:52] <ThePi​Guy24> my main problem with sm atm is that it isnt working
L845[20:11:15] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i'm gonna make an MCU into an active TN router
L846[20:16:45] <Ocawes​ome101> holy shit
L847[20:16:59] <Ocawes​ome101> my laptop has officially spawned nearly 3 million processes
L848[20:17:33] <Ocawes​ome101> Xorg is PID 2952382
L849[20:20:38] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> ok
L850[20:21:49] <Ocawes​ome101> right, updated mirrors, `-Syyu` time
L851[20:22:38] <t20kdc> Ocawesome101: what's your uptime
L852[20:22:41] <Ocawes​ome101> ....1400MB download. Riiiiight, that'll take all day
L853[20:22:47] <Ocawes​ome101> uptime? a little over 16 days
L854[20:23:16] <Ocawes​ome101> :O `1128 KiB/s`
L855[20:23:21] <Ocawes​ome101> my internet is working again!
L856[20:23:21] <t20kdc> 16 days and you have PIDs that high? What kind of background processes do you have spawning, and how many...?
L857[20:24:12] <t20kdc> on average, you presumably have around 2 processes spawning every second. that doesn't make sense.
L858[20:24:55] <Ocawes​ome101> I've been running a lot of terminal commands, and I've had a couple `watch` commands running for several days
L859[20:25:20] <Ocawes​ome101> `vim` is my text editor of choice
L860[20:26:08] <Ocawes​ome101> basically all my OpenComputers OS dev work is done from the terminal
L861[20:26:50] <t20kdc> the watch commands might explain it - if you had 4 of them running at once the entire time
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L863[20:28:50] <Ocawes​ome101> `watch -n 0.1 free -hwt --giga`, and for a while `watch -n 0.1 uptime`
L864[20:29:02] <Ocawes​ome101> so that's 10-20 PIDs per second
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L866[20:38:45] <Forec​aster> alright, the relay thingy is done, finally
L867[20:39:14] <Ocawes​ome101> congrats
L868[20:39:28] <Forec​aster> configurable with the eeprom data segment with an ini like format
L869[20:39:28] <Sagh​etti> is there like IANA for oc?
L870[20:39:34] <Sagh​etti> standardized list of ports
L871[20:39:39] <M​GR> Yes
L872[20:39:40] <Forec​aster> no
L873[20:39:57] <Sagh​etti> if so, I'd like to register a few ports
L874[20:40:00] <Sagh​etti> for OCGSMA
L875[20:40:00] <M​GR> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OC-Programs/blob/master/Reserved%20OC%20network%20card%20ports.txt
L876[20:40:06] <Sagh​etti> for OCGSM [Edited]
L877[20:40:22] <M​GR> What ports do you want to register?
L878[20:40:46] <CompanionCube> 2https://oc.cil.li/forum/49-openengineering-task-force/
L879[20:40:49] <Sagh​etti> not sure yet actually
L880[20:41:54] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> actually me and izzy have a database of ports
L881[20:42:54] <Ocawes​ome101> @Saghetti what is OCGSM?
L882[20:43:03] <Sagh​etti> GSM for OC
L883[20:43:07] <Sagh​etti> cellular network
L884[20:43:19] <Ocawes​ome101> that would be pretty neat ngl
L885[20:43:31] <Ocawes​ome101> can drones carry network cards? Internet cards specifically
L886[20:43:51] <M​GR> Yes
L887[20:44:26] <Ocawes​ome101> nice
L888[20:45:24] <Forec​aster> oooh
L889[20:45:36] <Forec​aster> Elite Fleet Carriers can now store ships for the owner by default
L890[20:45:55] <Forec​aster> the shipyard module is only required to allow visitors to store their ships now
L891[20:45:56] <Forec​aster> :D
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L893[20:46:33] <Forec​aster> also `"Towards the end of the beta, join us for a BETA BLOWOUT, where Fleet Carriers will be available to almost anyone who has not yet had the opportunity to test them for themselves!"`
L894[20:46:35] <Forec​aster> woo
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L896[20:47:15] <Ocawes​ome101> jesus christ
L897[20:47:15] <Forec​aster> it says that during the blowout period the carrier price will be reduced to 1M credits
L898[20:47:27] <Ocawes​ome101> `~/Documents/opencomputers` -> 1.5GB
L899[20:47:31] <Forec​aster> that means I can try one if I manage to during that window
L900[20:47:53] <Forec​aster> I don't have 5B credits but I definitely have 1M credits
L901[20:50:03] <CompanionCube> Izaya: Skye: today on government wankery: https://twitter.com/someshjha7/status/1258421242538930177
L902[20:50:04] <MichiBot> Thu May 07 10:39:39 CDT 2020 @someshjha7: The Uttar Pradesh government exempts industries in the state from ALL LABOUR LAWS for the next 3 YEARS.
L903[20:50:33] <Amanda> %choose br or lr
L904[20:50:34] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Once you get a taste of "lr" you can't stop.
L905[20:50:44] <Amanda> WATCH ME!
L906[20:53:08] <Sagh​etti> ~/Desktop/minecraft > 43GB
L907[20:53:10] <Sagh​etti> @Ocawesome101
L908[20:53:18] <Sagh​etti> it's full of goodies
L909[20:53:24] <Ocawes​ome101> holy crap
L910[20:53:43] <Forec​aster> AshleighTheCutie around?
L911[20:53:43] <Ocawes​ome101> damn, I guess I've got a lot of text files
L912[20:53:45] <Sagh​etti> obscure server projects, plugins, eclipse files, various builds of bukkit, spigot, forge
L913[20:53:52] <Ocawes​ome101> tar + gz brings it down to 28M
L914[20:53:57] <Ar​iri> That's nothing, Ive got over 100G
L915[20:54:03] <Sagh​etti> jaw drops
L916[20:54:18] <Ar​iri> even with compressed backups (not that compressed bc cpu time, but decently)
L917[20:55:24] <Ocawes​ome101> my entire Documents folder is somehow like 4 gigabytes
L918[20:55:30] <Ocawes​ome101> I didn't know I had that much stuff
L919[20:55:36] <CompanionCube> my pathetic multimc intance set: 3.0G /home/samis/media/software/MutliMC
L920[20:55:52] <Ar​iri> My entire Windows user was over 300GB last week.
L921[20:56:01] <CompanionCube> though apparently ZFS has saved 0.6G in compression, so that's nice.
L922[20:56:11] <Ar​iri> Appdata was around 240GB
L923[20:56:28] <Sagh​etti> the real question is
L924[20:56:33] <Sagh​etti> how am i going to do sim cards?
L925[20:56:46] <Sagh​etti> i really wish there was a system on card
L926[20:57:06] <Ocawes​ome101> /home/ocawesome101: 7.7GiB (8,238,070,467); 92,946 files, 14,158 sub-folders
L927[20:57:22] <Ocawes​ome101> @Saghetti make eSIM cards based on modem addresses
L928[20:57:32] <Sagh​etti> so now it's
L929[20:57:40] <Sagh​etti> OpenComputers CDMA
L930[20:57:47] <Sagh​etti> (cdma kinda sucks tho)
L931[20:57:57] <Ocawes​ome101> what protocol are you going to use?
L932[20:58:06] <Ocawes​ome101> consider: GERT
L933[20:58:11] <Ar​iri> If anyone here has done anything with CUDA, should I get a GPU with support higher than Compute 3.0 for data processing, or is the minimum fine? Looking for gpus on OfferUp and the minimum I need is a 760 but a 780 and higher could do if I need higher than 3.0
L934[20:58:36] <Ocawes​ome101> red or green?
L935[20:58:38] <CompanionCube> lol CUDA
L936[20:58:43] <Sagh​etti> yeah im prob using gert
L937[20:58:51] <M​GR> @Ocawesome101 CUDA only runs on NVIDIA
L938[20:58:55] <Ocawes​ome101> oh ok
L939[20:59:04] <Sagh​etti> the whole idea is that this is basically just a transport layer
L940[20:59:11] <Ocawes​ome101> TLS :)
L941[20:59:16] <pay​onel> @Ariri depends on the softare you plan to run. you'll only see a difference if the software is taking advantage of it
L942[20:59:19] <CompanionCube> if you want portable, there's OpenCL and probably Vulkan Compute.
L943[20:59:21] <Sagh​etti> idk the correct terminology
L944[20:59:29] <Sagh​etti> your data will be sent as long as both parties are near a base station
L945[21:00:18] <Sagh​etti> currently tallying up my home folder
L946[21:00:30] <Sagh​etti> it took like 10 mins
L947[21:00:53] <Sagh​etti> C:\Users\Waltermin > 184GB
L948[21:00:58] <CompanionCube> ZFS/samis 407G 344G 98.9M /ZFS/samis
L949[21:01:08] <Sagh​etti> it used to be bigger
L950[21:01:11] <Ar​iri> I'm going to be writing my own ML/AI work with images and stuff similar to Waifu2x, which has a recc. minimum of compute 3.0, but if I get higher then what advantages would I get? Speed?
L951[21:01:11] <Ar​iri> I used a version with OpenCL (I think its the CPU one) but since I dont have a GPU then I'm okay with any.
L952[21:01:24] <Sagh​etti> but i moved all of my really big archive stuff to my archive drive
L953[21:01:27] <Sagh​etti> like ISOs and stuff
L954[21:02:01] <CompanionCube> OpenCL and CPU would be unlikely
L955[21:02:02] <Sagh​etti> E:\ > 1.28TB
L956[21:02:19] <Sagh​etti> over 1 terabyte of assorted huge files
L957[21:02:33] <Ar​iri> OpenCV?
L958[21:02:47] <CompanionCube> that's for computer vision
L959[21:02:56] <CompanionCube> it's in the name lol
L960[21:03:19] <Sagh​etti> opencv + python is cool
L961[21:03:29] <Sagh​etti> i made a script that automatically makes those shitty reddit videos
L962[21:04:18] <Sagh​etti> just give it a link and it uses PRAW, OpenCV, Selenium, FFmpeg, and other libraries to make a very high quality video
L963[21:04:29] <Sagh​etti> ultimate content farm
L964[21:04:44] <Ar​iri> I'm not sure what Im using currently then...
L965[21:04:45] <Ar​iri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/4QdwccsyqtnAtpE/preview
L966[21:04:45] <Sagh​etti> just give it a link and it uses PRAW, OpenCV, Selenium, FFmpeg, eSpeak, and other libraries to make a very high quality video [Edited]
L967[21:05:07] <M​GR> =-=
L968[21:05:11] <M​GR> Woops
L969[21:05:34] <Ocawes​ome101> >windows
L970[21:05:35] <Ocawes​ome101> smh
L971[21:05:47] <Ar​iri> It says OpenCV and OpenCL on Git
L972[21:05:50] <Sagh​etti> >makes windows in oc
L973[21:05:51] <Sagh​etti> smh
L974[21:05:52] <CompanionCube> could be using both
L975[21:05:56] <Ocawes​ome101> lol
L976[21:06:04] <Ocawes​ome101> open-nt doesn't work
L977[21:06:07] <Ar​iri> Ocawesome101: Original.
L978[21:06:20] <Sagh​etti> just like the real nt
L979[21:06:24] <Ocawes​ome101> ayy
L980[21:06:31] <CompanionCube> you already have a stronk GPU, no point buyin nvidia just for CUDA
L981[21:06:45] <Sagh​etti> (meanwhile i'm using windows right now)
L982[21:06:49] <Ar​iri> That's the bit, I don't. Its a R5 2400G
L983[21:06:49] <Sagh​etti> i have sinned
L984[21:07:11] <CompanionCube> but it says vega on the screenshot
L985[21:07:17] <Ar​iri> But whatever this is using, its doing 418.547[GFLOPS]
L986[21:07:27] <M​GR> 2400G uses the vega arch I believe
L987[21:07:42] <Ar​iri> It has RX Vega built-in
L988[21:07:42] <Ar​iri> I can use that instead of CUDA?
L989[21:07:55] <Ocawes​ome101> oh joy, I get to wait for 257 packages to install on this ~80MB/s eMMC + RK3399 lol
L990[21:08:02] <M​GR> CUDA is a software library
L991[21:08:02] <Ocawes​ome101> *357
L992[21:08:04] <M​GR> or an API
L993[21:08:10] <M​GR> That's different from your GPU arch
L994[21:08:43] <M​GR> CompanionCube, you're confusing the Vega arch in general from a specific GPU or card like the Vega 64
L995[21:08:53] <CompanionCube> apparently so
L996[21:09:00] <Ar​iri> Yeah, I'm not sure which I should develop in. I can get a nvidia gpu for cuda, unless using something for vega will yield the same result
L997[21:09:09] <CompanionCube> anyway, wikipedia says a 2400G has 2k GFLOPS
L998[21:09:11] <M​GR> OpenCL will run on AMD cards
L999[21:09:13] <CompanionCube> or thereabouts
L1000[21:09:55] <M​GR> Whether OpenCL is better than CUDA is unknown to me and likely as subjective as questions on what programming language is the best
L1001[21:10:16] <Ar​iri> I'm going to be doing some ml/ai work if that helps
L1002[21:10:19] <M​GR> You'd best research the performance of the tools you plan to use on NVIDIA and AMD cards and weigh that
L1003[21:10:27] <M​GR> It varies tool by tool unfortunately
L1004[21:10:34] <Ocawes​ome101> Markup Language / Artificial Intelligence? :P
L1005[21:10:40] <M​GR> Machine Learning
L1006[21:10:42] <CompanionCube> Machine Learning, probably
L1007[21:10:44] <Ar​iri> ^
L1008[21:10:58] <Ocawes​ome101> ah
L1009[21:11:06] <CompanionCube> there's also the 'how much do you hate nvidia's proprietary bullshit' factor
L1010[21:11:11] <Ar​iri> Hmm alright. Thanks.
L1011[21:11:45] <Ar​iri> I guess Ill just get a better heatsink and call it a day.
L1012[21:11:47] <Amanda> isn't cuda just a fork of OpenCL with some propitary patches?
L1013[21:11:53] <CompanionCube> no they're very different
L1014[21:12:00] <Amanda> or am I thinking of something else
L1015[21:12:00] <M​GR> ^
L1016[21:12:25] <M​GR> CUDA came first I believe
L1017[21:12:27] <CompanionCube> CUDA is ~2 years older
L1018[21:12:43] <M​GR> Yep
L1019[21:12:55] <Vexaton> https://www.khronos.org/news/press/khronos-group-releases-opencl-3.0 btw
L1020[21:13:01] <Amanda> Wasn't OpenCL around in the mid/early '00s?
L1021[21:13:24] <M​GR> 2009\
L1022[21:13:31] <Amanda> ah
L1023[21:13:53] <CompanionCube> that would bee OpenGL
L1024[21:13:55] <Amanda> That sound sabout right, actualy. I remember it coming out, and being a hot mess on my then-main machine, a netbook
L1025[21:14:03] <Ocawes​ome101> ayy, upgrade finished
L1026[21:14:07] <Ocawes​ome101> be back in a sec
L1027[21:14:11] <Amanda> Intel Atom processor
L1028[21:14:12] <CompanionCube> they're from the same peeps
L1029[21:14:56] <Amanda> I wish thermodynamics was more lenient. I'd love to have my main machine be a 10in netbook again
L1030[21:15:06] <Vexaton> OpenCL 3 is looking good and might actually be widely supported unlike OpenCL 2
L1031[21:15:31] <Vexaton> Amanda, we're getting to the point where you should ask quantum mechanics for leniency
L1032[21:15:42] <Vexaton> transistors are already like 12 atoms in size
L1033[21:15:46] <Amanda> heh
L1034[21:15:59] <CompanionCube> how so? /me vaguely remembers them giving up and declaring everything new to be 'optional' what's the point of a new revision for that?
L1035[21:16:04] <Vexaton> that's about the size of the molecules that I calculate
L1036[21:17:30] <Vexaton> CompanionCube, opencl 2 features are optional in opencl 3
L1037[21:18:10] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh yeah, the ports database me and izzy run
L1038[21:18:13] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-ports
L1039[21:18:24] <Vexaton> IIRC nvidia could not support OpenCL 2.x due to some missing feature
L1040[21:18:31] <Vexaton> but it can support OpenCL 3.x now
L1041[21:18:37] <Vexaton> by simply not implementing the optional stuff
L1042[21:19:28] <CompanionCube> how much of the features?
L1043[21:21:29] <Vexaton> I think all of the 2.x features are optional
L1044[21:21:38] <Vexaton> nvidia already said they will support 3.x
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L1046[21:22:37] <Forec​aster> %tell AshleighTheCutie since you said you wanted to see the relay code when it was done: https://gist.github.com/Forecaster/2dfee9f4d31ee4f2d76a03988f816a1a
L1047[21:22:38] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: AshleighTheCutie will be notified of this message when next seen.
L1048[21:23:10] <CompanionCube> so is there any measurable again aside from the marketing value of the higher number?
L1049[21:32:15] <Vexatos> CompanionCube, read the announcement
L1050[21:33:00] <Vexatos> async data copy stuff for example
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L1054[22:07:42] <Brisingr​Aerowing> https://www.reddit.com/r/programminghorror/comments/gelpuh/birth_year_slider
L1055[22:08:56] <Forec​aster> it's not the worst choice
L1056[22:09:07] <Forec​aster> imagine a list of radio buttons
L1057[22:22:17] <Michiyo> I demand checkboxes!
L1058[22:23:27] * Lizzy demands chicken nuggies
L1059[22:23:41] <Michiyo> I change my demands to be inline with Lizzy's!
L1060[22:24:28] <Sagh​etti> checkboxes so that you can select your age in binary
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L1062[22:47:19] <pay​onel> @Forecaster you're not using the redstone proxy you grab
L1063[22:47:53] <Forec​aster> oh right, I was going to add support for wakeonlan
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L1065[22:48:43] <pay​onel> and i know it likely is uncommon, but i do recommend pack() as opposed to {} for these general purpose library utilities
L1066[22:48:51] <AshleighTheCutie> michibot just said i have 1 tell waiting for me, but didnt say what it was
L1067[22:48:56] <pay​onel> it beging: the chance for nil to mess this up
L1068[22:49:10] <pay​onel> being*
L1069[22:49:30] <Forec​aster> I tried but I got an error saying table.pack was nil
L1070[22:50:01] <Forec​aster> AshleighTheCutie it sends the message as a notice when you say something
L1071[22:50:08] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L1072[22:50:08] <MichiBot> Fudge! Squi​dDev! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 2 hours, 42 minutes and 35 seconds (By 29 minutes and 55 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1073[22:50:09] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.28624. Position #6 Need 0.03336 more points to pass ThePi​Guy24!
L1074[22:50:14] <pay​onel> table.pack was nil where? not in lua 5.2 or 5.3
L1075[22:50:14] <AshleighTheCutie> oh, oki
L1076[22:50:18] <AshleighTheCutie> it just did actually
L1077[22:50:26] <Forec​aster> I use 5.3 only
L1078[22:50:42] <pay​onel> table.pack is not nil unless you have a problem in your env
L1079[22:50:50] <Forec​aster> 🤷
L1080[22:50:53] <pay​onel> no
L1081[22:50:59] <pay​onel> i dont accept that 🙂
L1082[22:55:48] <Forec​aster> well uh, I literally don't know
L1083[23:22:18] <Amanda> %choose beep beep it's a scrap heap or just irradiate
L1084[23:22:19] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Elementary dear Watson, "beep beep it's a scrap heap" is the obvious choice!
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L1086[23:33:39] <Kristo​pher38> yeah, use table.pack over {}
L1087[23:36:00] <Kristo​pher38> I had a few bugs involving nils because I didn't use it
L1088[23:42:51] <Ar​iri> What’s the difference between the Plex app with a subscription vs hosting your own Plex server?
L1089[23:43:12] <Ar​iri> Why would I want to host my own, other than using my own content?
L1090[23:49:12] <Forec​aster> You still have to host your own sever
L1091[23:49:49] <Forec​aster> The subscription just gives you some extra features, mostly with the mobile apps though
L1092[23:50:07] <Michiyo> well, I mean you get like a handful of streaming things right now with the Plex Pass I don't *think* you need a server running to use them
L1093[23:50:09] <Forec​aster> Like being able to download something and watch it offline
L1094[23:50:23] <Michiyo> but yeah, 99.9% of Plex is tied to running a server and using said server even with the pass
L1095[23:50:42] <Ar​iri> Oh.
L1096[23:50:42] <Ar​iri> Yeah, I read something about TIDAL so I got confused.
L1097[23:50:53] <Forec​aster> Oh, I don't think that was a thing when I had it
L1098[23:51:33] <Ar​iri> In that case, should I direct Plex to a directory within my Nextcloud so I can share media download links with it or is file downloading already a feature
L1099[23:51:56] <Forec​aster> Only for the owner
L1100[23:53:20] <Forec​aster> I can download stuff from my sever via the web gui, but if I allow someone else to access or they can't download the source files, only steam
L1101[23:53:37] <Forec​aster> I have ftp set up for that instead
L1102[23:53:52] <Ar​iri> I see
L1103[23:54:43] <Forec​aster> I can download stuff from my sever via the web gui, but if I allow someone else to access it they can't download the source files, only steam [Edited]
L1104[23:59:25] <AshleighTheCutie> beep beep im a sheep
L1105[23:59:37] <Ar​iri> beep boop im a bot
L1106[23:59:51] <AshleighTheCutie> hehe
L1107[23:59:51] <Ocawes​ome101> bip bop I'm a top
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