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L1[00:24:37] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> https://reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/fikwuo/goodbye_world/
L2[00:40:06] <Elfi> I MUST GO. MY PEOPLE NEED ME.
L3[00:43:41] <ThePi​Guy24> no
L4[00:55:45] <AmandaC> Ah yes, good ol' minecart man
L5[00:58:15] <The_St​argazer> i don't get this
L6[00:58:24] <The_St​argazer> someone explain the joke
L7[00:58:41] <The_St​argazer> oh, it's a video
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L9[01:04:19] <Ocawes​ome101> %tonk !!
L10[01:04:20] <MichiBot> Sard! Ocawes​ome101! You beat ThePi​Guy24's previous record of 8 hours, 22 minutes and 44 seconds (By 3 minutes and 22 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L11[01:04:21] <MichiBot> Ocawesome101's new record is 8 hours, 26 minutes and 7 seconds! Ocawesome101 also gained 0.00054 (0.00006 x 9) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #5. Need 0.11339 more points to pass simo​n816!
L12[01:04:38] <Ocawes​ome101> Ayyy
L13[01:18:59] <DaCompu​terNerd> Sard?
L14[01:19:07] <Ocawes​ome101> ?
L15[01:20:02] <ThePi​Guy24> prkl was just abput to do that
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L22[02:31:35] <Ar​iri> The video made me chuckle, after reading Elfi’s comment
L23[02:32:02] <Ar​iri> DaComputerNerd: Consard it
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L25[02:59:26] <sderlo> hellp
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L27[03:00:02] <Z​ef> god I love people
L28[03:03:41] <Izaya> I don't.
L29[03:04:26] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> same
L30[03:04:30] <Z​ef> It was sarcasm
L31[03:04:35] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> people are stupid
L32[03:05:05] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> fun fact: the internet uses lossy compression for text
L33[03:05:20] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> you often lose sarcasm
L34[03:05:53] <Izaya> personally, I was channeling Forecaster and making a pointless statement that adds nothing to the conversation for my own ego's sake
L35[03:06:06] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> in other news: THERE'S NO FUCKING MILK
L36[03:06:23] <Izaya> just order a box and let whoever you order it from work it out smh
L37[03:06:49] <Izaya> I will note that there were less boxes of milk than usual at the shops on friday
L38[03:06:54] <Izaya> but stupids gonna stupid
L39[03:07:24] <Elfi> Why drink fucking milk when you can just have regular milk?
L40[03:07:33] <Z​ef> http://tinyurl.com/tramvjk
L41[03:08:17] <Z​ef> well fucking milk has an acquired taste, although I don't have that acquired taste
L42[03:23:58] <Ar​iri> hmms in dairy
L43[03:34:21] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i almost said something very nsfw because that's how i be
L44[03:40:05] <Ar​iri> uwu?
L45[03:51:25] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> no
L46[03:52:09] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> ΘШΘ
L47[03:53:25] <Ar​iri> um? https://i.imgur.com/JQGXnx0.png https://i.imgur.com/TTwRfbT.png
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L49[04:19:47] <Elfi> Ah, someone used Botania's shard of Laputa, which rises a spherical mass of land into the sky
L50[04:22:25] <Izaya> neat
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L52[05:16:01] <Ar​iri> oh cool
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L62[09:26:53] <Izaya> Is there an addon that adds a drone-compatible upgrade I can use to detect the biome?
L63[09:27:04] <Forec​aster> Most of the base is filled with carbon dioxide... that's probably bad... http://tinyurl.com/vnptmsx
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L66[11:16:18] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> @Forecaster that's an "oof" right there
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L68[11:28:20] <Forec​aster> wellp
L69[11:28:32] <Forec​aster> updating IDEA has broken the MichiBot project
L70[11:28:39] <Forec​aster> I can't build now
L71[11:29:13] <Forec​aster> latest error: `SLF4J: Class path contains multiple SLF4J bindings.`
L72[11:29:14] <Forec​aster> sigh
L73[11:30:52] <Forec​aster> maybe it's caused by the updated gradle wrapper
L74[11:31:25] <Forec​aster> but the build server successfully built it after the update
L75[11:33:31] <Brain​Stone> Is this the right place for issues with the forum?
L76[11:33:45] <Forec​aster> @𝐿𝒾𝓏𝓏𝒾𝒶𝓃
L77[11:34:06] <Corded> * <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> waves
L78[11:34:10] <Brain​Stone> http://tinyurl.com/skf3yut
L79[11:34:16] <Brain​Stone> Trying to sign up I get this
L80[11:34:19] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> erm
L81[11:34:29] <Forec​aster> you need to remove any metal objects and place them in the tray
L82[11:35:49] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> @BrainStone did you tick this? http://tinyurl.com/u3adf2l
L83[11:36:35] <Brain​Stone> Yes
L84[11:36:49] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> hmm. did you get the keycaptcha come up?
L85[11:37:00] <Brain​Stone> Nope
L86[11:37:06] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> hmm
L87[11:37:32] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> do you use noscript or other form of element-blocking addons?
L88[11:38:04] <Brain​Stone> No. I do not
L89[11:38:34] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> hmm, it would appear that something is blocking your browser loading the keycaptcha stuff
L90[11:39:50] <Forec​aster> security check is coming up for me
L91[11:43:07] <Brain​Stone> I'll try a reload
L92[11:43:20] <Brain​Stone> Nothing comes up
L93[11:43:25] <Brain​Stone> Let me check the console
L94[11:45:19] <Brain​Stone> It's complaining that the capcha script has the MIME-type `text-plain` instead of the JS one
L95[11:46:00] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> hmm, not really much i can do about that since that'd be on the captcha server's side :/
L96[11:46:15] <Forec​aster> what browser are you using
L97[11:46:20] <Brain​Stone> FireFox
L98[11:46:25] <Forec​aster> try in chrome
L99[11:46:29] <Brain​Stone> Hell no
L100[11:46:51] <Forec​aster> ...okay
L101[11:46:54] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> if you're using windows, try edge
L102[11:46:55] <Brain​Stone> I will not install malware on my PC
L103[11:47:01] <Forec​aster> right
L104[11:47:04] <Brain​Stone> Gimme a secx
L105[11:47:05] <Brain​Stone> Gimme a sec [Edited]
L106[11:47:06] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> k, guess you're not using windows then
L107[11:47:12] <Brain​Stone> I am using windows
L108[11:47:15] <Brain​Stone> I meant chrome
L109[11:48:54] <Brain​Stone> Doesn't show there either
L110[11:49:30] <Brain​Stone> The thing is if Chrome were to ignore that wrong MIME type that's just plain awful. Just saying
L111[11:50:15] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> well i mean it's working in FF for me :/
L112[11:50:21] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> idk what to suggest
L113[11:50:28] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> hmm
L114[11:50:46] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> could you try disabling the tracking protection that firefox has for the oc forums?
L115[11:51:25] <Brain​Stone> Nope. Still doesn't show
L116[11:51:47] <Brain​Stone> What geographic location are you from?
L117[11:52:16] <Brain​Stone> Might be that the CDN the captcha service is using is having issues
L118[11:52:35] <Brain​Stone> Regional issues
L119[11:52:43] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> i'm in the UK, Fore's somewhere in europe (can't remember where abouts)
L120[11:53:35] <Brain​Stone> Odd
L121[11:53:45] <Brain​Stone> Wait. I think it uses flash
L122[11:54:07] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> i don't think it does?
L123[11:54:20] <Forec​aster> I have flash blocked
L124[11:54:21] <Forec​aster> so no
L125[11:54:23] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> at least it's working for me with a more-or-less vanilla install of FF
L126[11:54:35] <Brain​Stone> Hm getting odd now
L127[11:57:23] <Brain​Stone> Registration with Discord works
L128[11:58:22] <Brain​Stone> http://tinyurl.com/revq4ny
L129[11:58:37] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> .-.
L130[11:59:42] <Brain​Stone> Btw is there a way to unlink my forum account from Discord, so I can use PW auth?
L131[12:00:08] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> if you set a password, you should then be able to unlink discord i think
L132[12:01:17] <Brain​Stone> I don't see anywhere to set a password
L133[12:02:32] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> click on your name up the top > Account Settings
L134[12:02:33] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> then it should give you various fields, click change on the password one
L135[12:02:45] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> should look lik http://tinyurl.com/t7njj5o
L136[12:02:55] <Brain​Stone> Nope
L137[12:03:09] <Brain​Stone> http://tinyurl.com/wurnmss
L138[12:03:19] <Brain​Stone> http://tinyurl.com/tcjhx98
L139[12:03:28] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> wut
L140[12:03:31] <Brain​Stone> http://tinyurl.com/txfsflz
L141[12:03:33] <Corded> * <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> sighs
L142[12:04:00] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> the forums are in a semi-broken state right now, lemme see if i can stab them enough to get you working
L143[12:04:29] <Brain​Stone> It's fine
L144[12:04:36] <Brain​Stone> I can post just fine etc
L145[12:04:52] <Brain​Stone> You should maybe try getting them to work properly instead 😉
L146[12:10:09] <𝐿𝒾𝓏?​?𝒾𝒶𝓃> that's a work in progress right now
L147[12:10:43] <Brain​Stone> @XyFreak do you have a moment?
L148[12:10:43] <Brain​Stone> I feel like your reactor script isn't determining the power consumption correctly
L149[13:00:43] <Forec​aster> I'm now moving the barracks to the top of the base so they don't have to sleep in CO2 anymore
L150[13:02:02] <B​ob> always good thing to keep the living areas high for oxygen
L151[13:02:13] <Forec​aster> well, it was high when I built it
L152[13:02:22] <B​ob> ah yes i see lol
L153[13:02:29] <Forec​aster> also it would've been fine if I didn't let more than half the base fill up with CO2 :P
L154[13:02:35] <Forec​aster> see the screenshot above
L155[13:07:25] <DaCompu​terNerd> Someone needs more algae terrariums running
L156[13:08:09] <Forec​aster> doesn't help when the base is already "full"
L157[13:08:19] <Forec​aster> what I need is to get rid of the CO2
L158[13:09:11] <Z0id​burg> Got to live machine learning: "I used machine learning to operate the ignition cycle of my car's engine, and it learned to drive the engine in reverse so now I have 5 gears in reverse and one gear that's forward"
L159[13:09:17] <Z0id​burg> XD LOL
L160[13:09:59] <DaCompu​terNerd> There's carbon skimmers
L161[13:10:19] <Forec​aster> I know
L162[13:10:23] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpIsjz-oLOQ nice voice
L163[13:10:24] <MichiBot> ヒロイン育成計画 feat. 涼海ひより（CV：水瀬いのり）／ HoneyWorks | length: 3m 40s | Likes: 171,791 Dislikes: 725 Views: 6,151,784 | by HoneyWorks OFFICIAL | Published On 15/1/2020
L164[13:10:29] <Forec​aster> there's a lot of CO2 by now though
L165[13:10:35] <Forec​aster> it's going to take a while to clear it out
L166[13:10:37] <DaCompu​terNerd> I see
L167[13:11:00] <DaCompu​terNerd> Polluted water can be quite useful honestly. And it boils to normal steam too
L168[13:11:09] <Forec​aster> they're down there in the bottom left http://tinyurl.com/w8aqwzw
L169[13:11:43] <DaCompu​terNerd> I see
L170[13:11:53] <Forec​aster> unfortunately hydrogen has ended up in that room somehow... I need to pump that out of there to make room for the CO2 now xD
L171[13:12:01] <DaCompu​terNerd> Watch any ONI youtubers, out of curiosity?
L172[13:12:07] <Forec​aster> no
L173[13:12:15] <DaCompu​terNerd> Vents in the ceiling could help move the hydrogen
L174[13:12:41] <Forec​aster> I know how gases work
L175[13:12:46] <DaCompu​terNerd> I learned from one a rather neat thing
L176[13:12:46] <DaCompu​terNerd> Boiling salt actually creates energy
L177[13:13:02] <DaCompu​terNerd> The specific heat increases
L178[13:13:11] <simon816> %tonk
L179[13:13:11] <MichiBot> Dagnammit! simo​n816! You beat Ocawes​ome101's previous record of 8 hours, 26 minutes and 7 seconds (By 3 hours, 42 minutes and 44 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L180[13:13:12] <MichiBot> simon816's new record is 12 hours, 8 minutes and 51 seconds! simon816 also gained 0.03339 (0.00371 x 9) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.07284 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L181[13:13:55] <DaCompu​terNerd> Man i forgot about tonk
L182[13:14:48] <Z0id​burg> heh
L183[13:14:59] <Z0id​burg> Ok I need to figure some things
L184[13:15:10] <Z0id​burg> I wonder if C# has TCO
L185[13:15:21] <Z0id​burg> That's kind of super important
L186[13:15:39] <Z0id​burg> Nope. wth
L187[13:16:22] <DaCompu​terNerd> TCO?
L188[13:16:27] <DaCompu​terNerd> What is that?
L189[13:16:30] <Z0id​burg> There is built in trampolining support
L190[13:16:31] <Izaya> tail call optimisation
L191[13:17:02] <DaCompu​terNerd> I see
L192[13:17:14] <DaCompu​terNerd> Perhaps the implementation could change to not need TCO?
L193[13:17:18] <Z0id​burg> TCO is very simple; When the last operation of a function is a call to another function, you can simply jump to it instead of doing a full function call
L194[13:17:29] <Z0id​burg> like a goto
L195[13:17:46] <Izaya> replace the last entry on the stack instead of add to the stack
L196[13:17:46] <Z0id​burg> Lua has TCO
L197[13:17:52] <DaCompu​terNerd> I see
L198[13:18:09] <DaCompu​terNerd> Thus no stack overflows
L199[13:18:27] <Z0id​burg> In Lua, if you do function foo do return foo() end
L200[13:18:29] <Z0id​burg> it will never crash
L201[13:18:34] <DaCompu​terNerd> What is the program, anyways?
L202[13:18:43] <Z0id​burg> sorry I put invalid code there I'm used to Elixir
L203[13:18:43] <Z0id​burg> lol
L204[13:18:53] <Z0id​burg> It's been a while since I wrote Lua
L205[13:19:03] <DaCompu​terNerd> Lol
L206[13:19:08] <Izaya> recursive functions are the big use of TCO
L207[13:19:16] <DaCompu​terNerd> Anyways, what are you working on that needs TCO?
L208[13:19:43] <Izaya> which I never thought were that interesting but then you get into more abstract problems
L209[13:19:47] <Z0id​burg> It's more that it's simple to implement in a languager and optimize generally, and it's nice to have. Recursion is a plus, but consider the following:
L210[13:19:50] <Izaya> or more complicated practical ones
L211[13:19:52] <Izaya> like autocrafting :D
L212[13:20:01] <Z0id​burg> you have a function that calls a lot of functions underneath, not necessarily itself
L213[13:20:22] <Z0id​burg> you can go really deep in a tree of functions with little stack overhead. This supports Declarative interfaces in Imperative languages easily
L214[13:21:06] <DaCompu​terNerd> There is a spot to make suggestions for C#
L215[13:21:16] <Z0id​burg> If you're somebody who worries more about convergence of data than performing operations that cause events, then it can be very nice
L216[13:21:26] <Z0id​burg> It's been suggested a thousand times I'm sure
L217[13:21:30] <Z0id​burg> TCO is not anything new
L218[13:22:21] <Z0id​burg> It could be that the way C#'s compiler optimizes makes it difficult to implement. This would be hard to believe, but it is more likely it would cause a massive impact on the output of programs and confuse a lot of people debugging the code.
L219[13:22:34] <Z0id​burg> it can also make stack traces more confusing to analyze
L220[13:23:08] <Inari> %inv add shoujo manga
L221[13:23:09] * MichiBot summons 'shoujo manga' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L222[13:23:25] <Z0id​burg> Since debugging is a big part of many developers using these kind of languages it would require a lot of extra support just to be debugger friendly perhaps
L223[13:23:53] <20​kdc> TCO is already an... interesting subject in languages like C++ where it's at best a case-by-case basis, due to things like destructor timing
L224[13:24:03] <DaCompu​terNerd> Found a stackoverflow question asking the same thing
L225[13:24:06] <DaCompu​terNerd> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/491376/why-doesnt-net-c-optimize-for-tail-call-recursion
L226[13:24:17] <Z0id​burg> Neat
L227[13:24:31] <DaCompu​terNerd> There are answers you may find interesting
L228[13:24:41] <Z0id​burg> Here's another reason why C# might not support TCO: Java doesn't either, or didn't last I knew
L229[13:25:26] <DaCompu​terNerd> Including one with an official response from microsoft
L230[13:26:58] <Z0id​burg> There is a Minecraft mod developer I can not remember his name, I think he made reactorcraft? I can't remember what mod it was I remember the most of. Either way, it was crashing FreeBSD on boot of Minecraft because he was doing recursion to find the size of the stack instead of iteration or some form of trampoline for his recursive functions. This is bad because FreeBSD does not allocate extra stack space to allow an exception to fire once the
L231[13:26:58] <Z0id​burg> stack is full, so you will never get a stack overflow exception because there is not enough room to do it
L232[13:27:50] <Z0id​burg> His excuse was that iteration was less efficient... no comment on that. It's what you have and it's what you should be using if you are doing deep recursion
L233[13:27:52] <DaCompu​terNerd> Which refers to notable overhead for tail calls in the CLR and that C# code doesn't really tend to include many tail calls, unlike other languages that encourage a style with them, and well written recursion causing a stackoverflow is rare
L234[13:28:35] <DaCompu​terNerd> Furthermore, pointing out that tail calls ARE optimized on x64
L235[13:28:51] <DaCompu​terNerd> Well, "tail recursion"
L236[13:29:19] <Z0id​burg> The way I fixed it was to modify his mod and made the check stack size function return an immediate number instead of actually checking the stack size XD
L237[13:29:23] <Z0id​burg> I was like screw that
L238[13:29:30] <Kristo​pher38> @Z0idburg his name is Reika
L239[13:29:33] <Z0id​burg> YES
L240[13:29:49] <Z0id​burg> That's who it was
L241[13:30:08] <Kristo​pher38> He was here few days ago, but nobody answered his specific question so he probably left
L242[13:30:14] <Z0id​burg> I had that argument with him twice on Teamspeak and one of those times he was asking for my opinion and apparently he didn't like it lol.
L243[13:30:31] <Z0id​burg> I told him to stop overflowing the stack on purpose haha
L244[13:30:31] <Forec​aster> sounds like Reika
L245[13:30:55] <Z0id​burg> "Don't write system dependent code in a system independent vm"
L246[13:31:13] <Forec​aster> he's the one who made his pipes OC cables which caused massive networks that exceeded the default config values
L247[13:31:14] <Kristo​pher38> I get the feeling that he's not the friendliest pal
L248[13:31:25] <DaCompu​terNerd> Quite stubborn
L249[13:31:27] <Z0id​burg> He's a Java programmer
L250[13:32:09] <Z0id​burg> I don't hate all Java programmers but every Java programmer I've interacted in real life in person except for one of them has always been very hipster and stuck up about their programming
L251[13:32:18] <Z0id​burg> It's just a funny coincidence
L252[13:32:32] <B​ob> 👀
L253[13:32:36] <Z0id​burg> LOL
L254[13:32:46] <ThePi​Guy24> java is painful
L255[13:32:52] <B​ob> accurate
L256[13:32:52] <Izaya> s/ful//
L257[13:32:53] <MichiBot> <ThePiGuy24> java is pain
L258[13:32:53] <ThePi​Guy24> even just to look at
L259[13:32:56] <DaCompu​terNerd> I only learned java because the alternative for a specific task was matlab
L260[13:33:14] <Z0id​burg> Well like I said these have all been real interactions in person out and about
L261[13:33:17] <Z0id​burg> in school and crap
L262[13:33:20] <Z0id​burg> I don't know what it is
L263[13:33:24] <Z0id​burg> They remind me of apple hipsters
L264[13:33:36] <DaCompu​terNerd> Not matlab
L265[13:33:42] <DaCompu​terNerd> What's the name
L266[13:33:44] <DaCompu​terNerd> Labview
L267[13:34:02] <Z0id​burg> This one guy in college was trying to tell everyone that it's "not coding its programming if you say coding you're not a real programmer"
L268[13:34:16] <Elfi> Oh, huh
L269[13:34:16] <DaCompu​terNerd> Lmao
L270[13:34:31] <Elfi> He used to lurk in here but he doesn't anymore
L271[13:34:38] <Elfi> Wonder why.
L272[13:35:01] <Forec​aster> I've seen his name appear occasionally
L273[13:35:08] <Forec​aster> %seen Reika
L274[13:35:09] <MichiBot> Reika was last seen 4d 16h 16m 2s ago. Saying: <Re​ika> adapter NBT: https://pastebin.com/vezJzR8z
L275[13:35:25] <Z0id​burg> I've stopped caring about who uses what language really. There are things I really do not like about some languages but it's all the same eventually
L276[13:35:55] <Z0id​burg> I do not like Python because I don't think that one indent should be able to change the entire meaning of what a program does.
L277[13:36:13] <DaCompu​terNerd> If you do need TCO you apparently can call F# code using it from C#
L278[13:36:22] <Elfi> Well, if he's stopped hanging around, honestly, good
L279[13:36:47] <Z0id​burg> I saw a little F# the other day, it was interesting
L280[13:37:12] <Elfi> Deliberately misusing the integration API and then saying we're the ones in the wrong is... not endearing
L281[13:37:47] <dequbed> I still like to smack people who think Java is the epitome of programming but otherwise yeah, language is just syntax most of the time. I just dislike people under the Dunning-Kruger effect. They are *annoying*.
L282[13:38:29] <Elfi> The only good Reika is Reika Truelywaath, fite me
L283[13:39:06] <Z0id​burg> lol
L284[13:39:28] <Z0id​burg> I'm fascinated with Elixir and Erlang myself but for my own purposes
L285[13:39:32] <ThePi​Guy24> i like python due to how well it reads
L286[13:39:56] <ThePi​Guy24> and python kinda enforces a good practice
L287[13:40:24] <Z0id​burg> I wrote a couple of things in Python in college. I always felt like it was really clunky syntax. Not sure why
L288[13:40:28] <Z0id​burg> It wasn't anything unusual
L289[13:40:37] <dequbed> In University I am told that I have to turn in code in C because they "have to be able to correct it or help me with issues". I generally tell them that thanks but I doubt they have people on their team who can do either of those.
L290[13:40:39] <Z0id​burg> I just felt weird writing it
L291[13:40:50] <Izaya> never massively enjoyed python but it doesn't distinctly make me want to die
L292[13:41:07] <DaCompu​terNerd> Lol
L293[13:41:09] <Z0id​burg> lol
L294[13:41:36] <Z0id​burg> Modern library systems and community languages are kind of a double edged sword really.
L295[13:41:58] <Z0id​burg> What makes you money and makes the world go around? gluing together libraries of massive ammounts of junk dependencies with duct tape
L296[13:41:59] <Izaya> man
L297[13:42:02] <Izaya> I don't mind python
L298[13:42:03] <Z0id​burg> hoping it works
L299[13:42:04] <Izaya> but
L300[13:42:06] <Izaya> pip
L301[13:42:09] <Izaya> can get tossed into the sun
L302[13:42:15] <Z0id​burg> but it gets the job done fast and it gets the paycheck
L303[13:42:19] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> @Z0idburg I've seen projects use Fody and its InlineIL addon to insert a 'tail' CIL opcode before the recursive call.
L304[13:42:26] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> That might work.
L305[13:42:27] <Z0id​burg> ah
L306[13:42:37] <Z0id​burg> pip is weird.
L307[13:43:04] <Z0id​burg> There's something about Python's packaging of things that has always made me mad
L308[13:43:14] <Z0id​burg> especially before pip
L309[13:44:24] <Z0id​burg> So the thing is, we wouldn't be where we are and have what we have without crap libraries with tons of junk, but I prefer to sit down at a table with programmers who want to discuss efficient memory models and micro-optimizations
L310[13:44:55] <Z0id​burg> "How can we build a program that does this but in 10KB of space with near realtime event handling?"
L311[13:45:14] <dequbed> I prefer programmers who first ask "Is it worth it?"
L312[13:45:24] <Z0id​burg> well that's the thing
L313[13:47:10] <Z0id​burg> while we can squeeze a 200 MB program into 640K of space or less given the right situation and assuming most of that space isn't graphics or sound or other forms of dense data, it takes a lot of careful design, that takes time.
L314[13:47:31] <Z0id​burg> and people aren't going to pay you or wait for you to come out with a product that is incredibly clean and efficient
L315[13:48:18] <Z0id​burg> What I have noticed is that there are times when somebody is able to easily break down a complicated thing into a very simple idea that just blows everyone's mind
L316[13:48:27] <Z0id​burg> but those are rare
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L319[14:03:45] <Z0id​burg> -
L320[14:14:56] <Forec​aster> %sip
L321[14:14:58] <MichiBot> You drink a ripe aegisalt potion (New!). Forec​aster feels like one particular wasp has it out for them suddenly.
L322[14:15:03] <Forec​aster> ohno
L323[14:18:37] <Ocawes​ome101> %fling Forecaster
L324[14:18:37] <MichiBot> Ocawes​ome101 flings Forec​aster in a random direction. It hits Na​omi right in their lunch. They take 1d4 => 4 damage!
L325[14:18:50] <Forec​aster> hey D:<
L326[14:18:58] <Forec​aster> %fling at @Ocawesome101
L327[14:18:58] <MichiBot> Forec​aster flings a Magic spiky collar! (25%) in a random direction. It hits @Ocawesome101 right in their lunch. They take 1d4 => 1 (Magic +2) => 3 damage!
L328[14:19:32] <Ocawes​ome101> %bap Forecaster
L329[14:19:32] <MichiBot> Ocawes​ome101 baps Forecaster with potion of catgirl transformation!
L330[14:19:41] <Ocawes​ome101> :D
L331[14:20:07] <Ocawes​ome101> %splash Forecaster with a potion of catgirl transformation
L332[14:20:07] <MichiBot> This doesn't seem to be a potion I recognize... Make sure it has an appearance and consistency keyword, and the word "potion" in it.
L333[14:20:16] <Ocawes​ome101> Dangit
L334[14:31:30] <ThePi​Guy24> %splash Ocawesome101
L335[14:31:31] <MichiBot> You fling a molten titanium potion (New!) that splashes onto Ocawesome101. Ocawesome101 thinks "What if, like, *we* are the potions man?". This makes no sense whatsoever.
L336[14:31:46] <ThePi​Guy24> ohgod
L337[14:33:22] <Ocawes​ome101> %stab ThePiGuy24
L338[14:33:22] <MichiBot> Ocawes​ome101 is stabbing ThePiGuy24 with the letter 5 for 1d4 => 3 damage!
L339[14:41:35] <ThePi​Guy24> no
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L341[14:41:36] <Z0id​burg> http://tinyurl.com/vgv9qrz
L342[14:41:42] <Z0id​burg> Winner of the worst tasting cereal contest ^
L343[14:42:18] <Izaya> wouldn't - oh wait you moved from Maine didn't you
L344[14:42:32] <Z0id​burg> no
L345[14:42:37] <Z0id​burg> I am in Maine still
L346[14:42:42] <Izaya> oh
L347[14:42:44] <Izaya> well then
L348[14:42:46] <Izaya> surprising
L349[14:42:55] <Izaya> Maine seems like a place where there would be two types of people:
L350[14:42:56] <Z0id​burg> This girl persuaded me to stay
L351[14:43:03] <Izaya> preppers, with existing stocks to last a year
L352[14:43:07] <Izaya> and people that wouldn't panic
L353[14:43:38] <Z0id​burg> you forget that Maine has been slowly replacing the old people with people who think Maine is fun and luxurious
L354[14:43:45] <Z0id​burg> and all the young people moved away
L355[14:43:48] <Z0id​burg> most of*
L356[14:43:59] <Izaya> >maine
L357[14:44:01] <Izaya> >fun
L358[14:44:03] <Izaya> isn't it like
L359[14:44:05] <Z0id​burg> yes, the older generation thinks like that
L360[14:44:05] <Izaya> horror book land
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L362[14:44:12] <DaCompu​terNerd> and crabs
L363[14:44:38] <Z0id​burg> I don't know why but
L364[14:44:45] <Z0id​burg> the gun stores are empty
L365[14:44:50] <Z0id​burg> all of the ammunition is gone here in Maine
L366[14:44:52] <Izaya> like don't get me wrong
L367[14:44:56] <Izaya> maine has a certain appeal to me
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L369[14:45:04] <Izaya> in that I could fuck off into the bush never to be soon again
L370[14:45:11] <Izaya> s/soon/seen/
L371[14:45:11] <MichiBot> <Izaya> in that I could fuck off into the bush never to be seen again
L372[14:45:41] <Z0id​burg> I have plenty of ammunition
L373[14:46:38] <Izaya> but fun and luxurious are not words that spring to mind
L374[14:46:52] <Izaya> you generally need supporting industry for luxury
L375[14:46:58] <Z0id​burg> Maine is struck with poverty
L376[14:47:00] <Izaya> unless you're gonna have a mansion in central america
L377[14:47:08] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> wait are we talking about the man who said change your config if you wanna use OC with his mod?
L378[14:47:17] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh i was way up there
L379[14:47:35] <Z0id​burg> yeah the thing is all of the outsiders moved to Maine to replace the younger generations and told us what to do
L380[14:47:42] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> @Z0idburg All ammo is gone here too
L381[14:47:43] <Z0id​burg> changed our building codes shut our mills down and quarries
L382[14:47:56] <Z0id​burg> so now we're in even more poverty
L383[14:48:26] <Z0id​burg> drugs and domestic abuse has also become a rpoblem
L384[14:48:52] <Z0id​burg> Maine is not a happy place
L385[14:49:17] <Z0id​burg> You need to live in seclusion deep in the woods to really appreciate it and that takes a lifestyle that most people can't handle.
L386[14:49:26] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i need to start writing MC mods again
L387[14:49:31] <Z0id​burg> you should
L388[14:49:36] <Z0id​burg> I think I remember you writing good ones
L389[14:50:01] <Izaya> AdorableCatgirl: I want a vertical windmill that integrates with Immersive Engineering if you're taking suggestions
L390[14:51:10] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> Izaya: maybe
L391[14:51:21] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> all i made was the EEPROM cards
L392[14:51:24] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> it was okay
L393[14:51:45] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i just know i won't write a mod in java because it brings me p a i n
L394[14:51:50] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i'll use kotlin instead
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L401[15:09:51] <Z0id​burg> @AdorableCatgirl Clojure?
L402[15:10:13] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> no, i'll use k o t l i n
L403[15:10:27] <Z0id​burg> how is that
L404[15:12:36] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> forgelin is a thing
L405[15:12:46] <Z0id​burg> Looks like Kotlin is FP friendly
L406[15:14:03] <Z0id​burg> It also supports TCO supposedly
L407[15:14:22] <dequbed> I wanted to make a mod in Eta once but... eh.
L408[15:15:35] <Z0id​burg> My only other wonder so far is whether or not Kotlin is written mostly in Kotlin or if it is mostly written in Java
L409[15:15:41] <Z0id​burg> That's a huge thing for me
L410[15:15:53] <Z0id​burg> A language should be written in itself as much as possible
L411[15:16:10] <dequbed> Why?
L412[15:16:55] <Z0id​burg> It greatly reduces the contamination of bugs from the implementation language to the target one, is the big one. This is the reason why Perl has a small C core and the rest is written almost entirely in Perl.
L413[15:17:03] <Z0id​burg> For example..
L414[15:17:43] <dequbed> Yeah but you *also* lose all the host language capability for *finding* bugs.
L415[15:18:45] <Z0id​burg> You shouldn't be using that in the first place
L416[15:18:57] <dequbed> I disagree.
L417[15:20:19] <Z0id​burg> In Java this isn't as much of a problem, but especially in the case of say Perl, it makes it more likely for user code to be more platform independent.
L418[15:20:31] <dequbed> I mean for example, the reference compilers for Adga and Curry are written in Haskell. And they benefit greatly from being that. The early Rust compilers were written in OCaml, which made finding bugs *much* easier. Anything based on LLVM isn't written in its language either and that makes everything much easier.
L419[15:21:28] <dequbed> Python is still written in C and no PyPy doesn't count. Lua isn't written in Lua either (although it could be). And they also have the advantage of the interpreter being much easier to debug that way.
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L421[15:21:49] <Z0id​burg> Lua is also a very tiny language
L422[15:21:53] <dequbed> So?
L423[15:22:39] <dequbed> You could argue that writing your local stdlib is better done in the language itself but then again, *not* doing that but making C FFI invisible gives you instant good access to a huge load of libraries. Nim for example.
L424[15:23:17] <dequbed> Dogfooding means one thing and one thing only: Your language is suited for writing an interpreter or compiler in. Nothing more, nothing less.
L425[15:23:29] <Z0id​burg> For some reason I think due to Lua's size and concept of simplicity it makes sense the way it was written in its case
L426[15:23:43] <Z0id​burg> There's not much to it
L427[15:24:05] <dequbed> Yeah, my point. Stuff makes sense in the context. Blatant wide-sweeping statements such as "Any language should be implemented in itself" do not.
L428[15:24:55] <Ocawes​ome101> I’ve played with making a C -> Lua compiler
L429[15:24:59] <Ocawes​ome101> In Lua
L430[15:25:06] <Ocawes​ome101> (It doesn’t work)
L431[15:25:13] <dequbed> I agree that it's a good thing that gcc is written in C and clang in C++. I also agree that Perl probably profited from being written in Perl. But Kotlin using Java or Kotlin really doesn't matter.
L432[15:25:27] <Ocawes​ome101> Also
L433[15:25:39] <Ocawes​ome101> I’m looking back at the code for my first OC OS
L434[15:26:07] <Ocawes​ome101> Perfectly readable, but the code is awful.
L435[15:27:50] <Z0id​burg> So my Jeep is stuck in the mud behind my house
L436[15:27:53] <Z0id​burg> now
L437[15:28:07] <Z0id​burg> Did I tell you about that Izaya?
L438[15:28:43] <Z0id​burg> @Ocawesome101 I should finish Trotwood at some point it's pretty nice I think
L439[15:28:50] <Z0id​burg> And mostly works
L440[15:29:03] <Ocawes​ome101> Remind me what Trotwood is?
L441[15:29:19] <Z0id​burg> My server oriented OS for telecommunications and scalability
L442[15:29:39] <Z0id​burg> resource sharing; You can put 5 computers side by side and share the memory and disk space etc
L443[15:29:42] <Z0id​burg> like its one computer
L444[15:29:57] <Ocawes​ome101> Ah
L445[15:30:00] <Z0id​burg> perfect for throwing a network of microcontrollers down on a railroad system and making it act like one OC computer
L446[15:30:12] <Ocawes​ome101> Microkernel based?
L447[15:30:33] <Z0id​burg> You could sort of say that in a way, it's an actor model system.
L448[15:31:01] <Z0id​burg> has some libraries for building programs similarly to the way you do with OTP in Erlang or Elixir
L449[15:31:16] <Z0id​burg> where a program consists of multiple processes that communicate to eachother
L450[15:32:00] <Z0id​burg> Though the memory model of OC is probably more relatable to an exokernel environment
L451[15:32:20] <ThePi​Guy24> sounds more like cluster(fuck) computing to me
L452[15:33:29] <Ocawes​ome101> Exokernel?
L453[15:35:17] <Z0id​burg> Well, PiGuy coroutines are already a thing provided by Lua, you could think of it more as OTP features for coroutines which are pretty lightweight to begin with, then a process scheduler that uses PIDs that determine which node to initialize processes on
L454[15:35:37] <Z0id​burg> it uses floating point PIDs, which is great in Lua 5.2 and works fine in 5.3
L455[15:36:20] <Z0id​burg> the period is a seperator so its format is N.PID where N is the node the PID is on and PID is the PID on that node, and PID 0 is reserved.
L456[15:37:35] <Z0id​burg> IPC is pretty simple, you can just send to PIDs and the scheduler can register PID names for you, for example you can register a process called :mydatabase and then you can do like send(:mydatabase, ...)
L457[15:37:54] <Z0id​burg> IPC is pretty simple, you can just send to PIDs and the scheduler can register PID names for you, for example you can register a process called :mydatabase and then you can do like send(':mydatabase', ...) [Edited]
L458[15:38:18] <Z0id​burg> there's also a callback library for allowing you to make function calls that send messages for RPC
L459[15:38:27] <Z0id​burg> the VFS works this way.
L460[15:38:41] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i like this
L461[15:39:02] <Z0id​burg> 🙂
L462[15:39:10] <Z0id​burg> I thought I was the only one lol
L463[15:40:47] <Z0id​burg> @Ocawesome101 sorry, so an exokernel is a model of operating system kernel where hardware resources are available at a low level to userland processes, even if they are secured in a permission based system- the idea is to provide raw access to the underlying memory / mechanics. This kind of describes OpenOS in the sense that you're working with components directly.
L464[15:41:09] <Ocawes​ome101> Ah
L465[15:41:11] <Ocawes​ome101> Yeah
L466[15:41:34] <Ocawes​ome101> Whereas something like Fuchas or Proton uses “drivers”, which are abstractions over components.
L467[15:41:49] <Z0id​burg> Imagine if you wrote a program on your Windows computer to access a file and it gave you the hard drive blocks.
L468[15:41:58] <Z0id​burg> or I mean, the memory to the disk controller instead
L469[15:42:09] <Ocawes​ome101> Windows computer?
L470[15:42:15] <Z0id​burg> you know what I mean
L471[15:42:19] <Corded> * <Ocawes​ome101> imagines using Windows
L472[15:42:33] <Corded> * <Ocawes​ome101> hates it
L473[15:42:45] <Ocawes​ome101> But yeah I get what you mean
L474[15:42:49] <Nira​hiel> Hello people
L475[15:42:51] <Z0id​burg> some operating systems restrict access to say the disk controller by isolating this memory to drivers or system services
L476[15:42:56] <Ocawes​ome101> %hello
L477[15:42:56] <MichiBot> Ocawes​​ome101: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L478[15:43:09] <Nira​hiel> Any idea about this error ? http://tinyurl.com/wv8273b
L479[15:43:22] <Nira​hiel> (i'm using computronics' )
L480[15:44:00] <Nira​hiel> I have a creative capacitor connected to the computer so energy shouldn't be an issue
L481[15:44:41] <Nira​hiel> @Vexatos It's your mod, maybe you can enlighten me ?
L482[15:44:47] <Ocawes​ome101> Does the ticket machine have power?
L483[15:45:09] <Nira​hiel> Well, it's connected to the computer via cable, it should have power, right ?
L484[15:46:15] <Nira​hiel> Right ?
L485[15:46:38] <Forec​aster> yes
L486[15:47:10] <Ocawes​ome101> Huh
L487[15:47:24] <Ocawes​ome101> Use an Analyzer on both of them and see how much energy they have
L488[15:49:21] <Nira​hiel> The ticket machine doesn't even report an energy value with the analyzer. (the energy requirement is on in the config file)
L489[15:50:06] <Nira​hiel> Other than that, the computer's 500/500
L490[15:51:19] <Ocawes​ome101> Huh
L491[15:51:44] <Ocawes​ome101> Try running a cable directly from your power source into a computer
L492[15:52:05] <Ocawes​ome101> %s/a computer/your ticket machine/
L493[15:52:06] <MichiBot> <Ocawesome101> Try running a cable directly from your power source into your ticket machine
L494[15:52:54] <Nira​hiel> My power source is the creative capacitor connected to the computer case...
L495[15:54:23] <Nira​hiel> and i have a cable connected from the computer straight to the ticket machine already
L496[15:56:19] <Nira​hiel> http://tinyurl.com/u9ka2up
L497[15:56:41] <Z0id​burg> Hmm. I don't know if I added more things or I have more work to do than I remember
L498[15:56:42] <Z0id​burg> 😄
L499[15:56:44] <Z0id​burg> https://paste.pc-logix.com/atawovodac.txt
L500[15:56:49] <Z0id​burg> my up to date todo list for Trotwood
L501[15:56:54] <Z0id​burg> the last feature is the best
L502[15:57:00] <Z0id​burg> at the bottomn
L503[15:57:09] <Forec​aster> Vexatos probably knows what's what with the ticket machine
L504[15:57:20] <Nira​hiel> I pinged him but no answer
L505[15:57:56] <Forec​aster> I don't see a ping except mine
L506[15:58:01] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> wew @Z0idburg
L507[15:58:50] <Nira​hiel> @Forecaster check when I said "It's your mod, maybe you can enlighten me ?"
L508[15:59:12] <Forec​aster> oh, right
L509[15:59:22] <Forec​aster> well you'll just have to wait
L510[16:11:48] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> @Z0idburg help zorya neo is an abomination
L511[16:11:57] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> https://github.com/Adorable-Catgirl/Zorya-NEO
L512[16:12:18] <Z0id​burg> oooOOOooo
L513[16:12:33] <Z0id​burg> Did you know I have been looking for a suitable first stage bootloader for Trotwood?
L514[16:13:12] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh god
L515[16:13:15] <Z0id​burg> sometimes I use mikrotel
L516[16:13:21] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> this is bloat
L517[16:13:32] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> unless you plan on using the threading in litekernel
L518[16:14:37] <Z0id​burg> Right now I am using a boot stub
L519[16:14:58] <Z0id​burg> which is just an init.lua that does nothing but map filesystem namespaces for it
L520[16:15:05] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> hmm
L521[16:15:13] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i also have an untested vfs
L522[16:15:30] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> https://github.com/Adorable-Catgirl/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/mods/vfs/init.lua
L523[16:15:47] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> currently, only does mount and resolve
L524[16:17:01] <Z0id​burg> Trotwood's VFS only has the following IPC callbacks:
L525[16:17:01] <Z0id​burg> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/rafohotubo
L526[16:17:19] <Z0id​burg> I think I'm going to change the way callbacks work but I don't know yet. I may have a better way
L527[16:17:29] <Z0id​burg> there's no read / write at all
L528[16:17:35] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh lmao
L529[16:17:42] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> mine just gives a proxy to the fs and the path
L530[16:18:11] <Z0id​burg> yeah. So the VFS on this registers filesystem drivers and aliases
L531[16:18:32] <Z0id​burg> open just finds the driver to talk to and that driver gives you a PID to talk to to work on that file
L532[16:18:56] <Z0id​burg> and the filehandle being a PID you can just send close to the PID of the file
L533[16:19:02] <Z0id​burg> or read / write
L534[16:19:42] <Z0id​burg> I haven't quite determined how the cluster filesystem will work.
L535[16:19:54] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i wonder if i can shrink BLT a bit
L536[16:20:13] <Z0id​burg> consistent hashing maybe but something that can weigh against node space
L537[16:20:16] <Z0id​burg> dynamically
L538[16:20:18] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> https://github.com/Adorable-Catgirl/OC-Tsuki/blob/master/ksrc/blt.lua blt being this
L539[16:20:49] <Z0id​burg> so this will make me BLT sandwiches
L540[16:21:28] <Z0id​burg> puts a whole new meaning to sudo make me a sandwich
L541[16:22:24] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> B) binary lua tables
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L544[16:23:24] <Vexatos> @Nirahiel what version of minecraft are you on
L545[16:24:21] <Vexatos> the ticket machine needs railcraft's energy to print stuff
L546[16:24:27] <Z0id​burg> hehe
L547[16:24:29] <Vexatos> on 1.7 that's RF, on 1.12 it's charge
L548[16:24:38] <Z0id​burg> @AdorableCatgirl for serialization?
L549[16:24:38] <Vexatos> as you should be able to see by the power meter
L550[16:24:39] <Nira​hiel> Railcraft energy ?
L551[16:24:40] <Vexatos> in its UI
L552[16:24:42] <Vexatos> charge
L553[16:24:44] <Z0id​burg> or packing in small space
L554[16:24:48] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> serialization
L555[16:24:49] <Vexatos> open the UI of the ticket machine
L556[16:24:51] <Nira​hiel> I thought it was OC's energy
L557[16:25:01] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> and might work for packing into a small space idk
L558[16:25:02] <Vexatos> it can work without OC
L559[16:25:04] <Nira​hiel> I'm on 1.12 btw
L560[16:25:07] <Vexatos> so it needs railcraft energy
L561[16:25:24] <Vexatos> just connect it to the charge network
L562[16:25:43] <Nira​hiel> lemme try. What should I power it with, the 2x2x2 power converter thing ?
L563[16:25:49] <Vexatos> as I said, right click the ticket machine to open the UI
L564[16:25:55] <Vexatos> it should have a power indicator
L565[16:26:02] <Vexatos> I mean that works for converting FE to charge
L566[16:26:05] <Z0id​burg> oh yeah, that's what I needed to make for Trotwood that I don't think is in the TODO list
L567[16:26:08] <Nira​hiel> hang on, i'm re-launching the game
L568[16:26:17] <Z0id​burg> some sort of wrapper library that lets you run OpenOS software
L569[16:26:20] <Z0id​burg> without OpenOS
L570[16:26:27] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> huh
L571[16:26:35] <Z0id​burg> kind of like FreeBSD's linux module
L572[16:26:44] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i have vbios for running various things
L573[16:26:53] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> like, now, people can run MineOS
L574[16:26:57] <Nira​hiel> Oh could you add the locomotive link thingy not only for electric ones but for steam ones as well ?
L575[16:27:10] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> if they want to, for some reason
L576[16:27:14] <Z0id​burg> huh
L577[16:27:50] <Z0id​burg> I was just thinking for example how if someone wanted to run a GERT node on it or something, it would need some way of making calls to OpenOS only functions
L578[16:28:12] <Z0id​burg> and Trotwood's scheduling is pretty much 100% incompatible
L579[16:28:22] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> if GERT provided an EEPROM for that that'd be great :^)
L580[16:29:04] <Z0id​burg> oh yeah that's another thing about the bootloading, the ability to load services that can be accessed from the overlying OS
L581[16:29:05] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i need to add readmes to all the zorya modules
L582[16:29:09] <Z0id​burg> maybe that's the way to do it
L583[16:29:24] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> modules and libraries
L584[16:29:25] <Z0id​burg> kind of like how DOS works
L585[16:29:39] <Z0id​burg> you load code into memory that you can access outside of the bootloading
L586[16:29:56] <Z0id​burg> as if they are bios function calls
L587[16:30:01] <Nira​hiel> Oh so that's what the "network usage" means
L588[16:30:51] <Nira​hiel> Also @Vexatos the power indicator doesn't look like a power indicator at all
L589[16:31:01] <Z0id​burg> AdorableCatgirl, perhaps EEPROM level vcomponent like exposure
L590[16:31:10] <Z0id​burg> so the OS can be presented components that are virtual
L591[16:31:19] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> huh
L592[16:31:24] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i use vcomponent in zorya
L593[16:31:33] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> since my vdev was being fucky wucky
L594[16:31:41] <Z0id​burg> lol
L595[16:32:01] <Z0id​burg> it becomes more like EFI at this point
L596[16:32:08] <Z0id​burg> loading services from hard disk before the OS is loaded
L597[16:32:14] <Z0id​burg> and presenting components to access them
L598[16:32:23] <Vex​atos> @Nirahiel it uses literally the same texture as all other power indicators in railcraft
L599[16:32:25] <Vex​atos> not sure what you mean
L600[16:32:32] <Vex​atos> or did it break again
L601[16:33:00] <Z0id​burg> you can also hide these services form the system so that they can only see the components
L602[16:33:03] <Z0id​burg> protecting the code inside
L603[16:33:07] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> huh
L604[16:33:22] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh, hey, did you see how i fit all kinds of stuff in the EEPROM? @Z0idburg
L605[16:33:36] <Z0id​burg> hmm I think I heard about it whatchya got?
L606[16:33:44] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> Luamin+LZSS :P
L607[16:33:50] <Z0id​burg> really...
L608[16:33:53] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> https://github.com/Adorable-Catgirl/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/src/loader.lua
L609[16:34:10] <Vex​atos> @Nirahiel but thank you for using computronics >-<
L610[16:34:32] <Z0id​burg> doesn't this mean you need an lzss decompressor in the eeprom with it?
L611[16:34:43] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> yep
L612[16:34:50] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> https://github.com/Adorable-Catgirl/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/src/lzss.lua
L613[16:34:58] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> it's tiny
L614[16:35:00] <Z0id​burg> OMG THAT IS TINY
L615[16:35:04] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 254 bytes
L616[16:35:08] <Z0id​burg> you are a genius
L617[16:35:11] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> not mine
L618[16:35:14] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> someone else made it
L619[16:35:16] <Nira​hiel> @Vexatos what "other" power indicators do you mean ?
L620[16:35:29] <Z0id​burg> still I've been looking for something like that for a long time. What's the compression ratio like?
L621[16:35:29] <Nira​hiel> Like, in the electric locomotive ?
L622[16:36:46] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i can't find who made it, sadly @Z0idburg
L623[16:36:57] <Nira​hiel> Electric locomotive power level : http://tinyurl.com/ttepsej
L624[16:37:03] <Z0id​burg> heh
L625[16:37:09] <asie> finished an initial patch for non-BMP Unicode codepoint support
L626[16:37:12] <asie> will send it for PRing soon
L627[16:37:32] <Nira​hiel> You block's power level : http://tinyurl.com/rkmtp2y
L628[16:37:42] <Nira​hiel> Quite different.
L629[16:38:01] <Vex​atos> not the locomotive
L630[16:38:05] <Vex​atos> rolling machine for example
L631[16:38:29] <Inari> Any good Mc tech mods yet?
L632[16:38:38] <asie> or apparently not
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L634[16:40:01] <Nira​hiel> Ah, didn't use the rolling machine yet
L635[16:40:10] <Vex​atos> it's the first railcraft machine you need
L636[16:40:15] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i plan on eventually making an installer where you can select what modules you want to install
L637[16:40:16] <Z0id​burg> I wonder if lzss is a block compression
L638[16:40:34] <Nira​hiel> there is the manual one
L639[16:40:36] <Nira​hiel> i've been using that
L640[16:40:37] <Nira​hiel> xD
L641[16:40:54] <Nira​hiel> But wait, now the rolling machine requires RC's charge ? OMG i think i'll go back to 1.7
L642[16:41:21] <Nira​hiel> Stupid mod authors and their stupid proprietary power systems
L643[16:41:28] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> it's like better LZ77
L644[16:41:50] <Vex​atos> 1.7 also has charge you know
L645[16:42:01] <Vex​atos> it's specific to electric tracks and locomotives there
L646[16:42:06] <Vex​atos> 1.12 just extended it to all machines
L647[16:42:34] <Nira​hiel> and that sucks
L648[16:42:47] <Nira​hiel> how am I supposed to feed power to my rolling machine ?
L649[16:42:52] <Vex​atos> I like the charge system. It's interesting and unique
L650[16:42:59] <Nira​hiel> I don't want to use rails as cables.
L651[16:43:07] <Vex​atos> ...Railcraft has shunting wires
L652[16:43:09] <Vex​atos> those are its cables
L653[16:43:14] <Nira​hiel> "short distances"
L654[16:43:33] <Vex​atos> also that is exactly why 1.12 has a manual rolling machine
L655[16:43:40] <Vex​atos> for before you get power going
L656[16:43:47] <Nira​hiel> Power isn't the issue here
L657[16:43:58] <Forec​aster> just put a converter next to the machine
L658[16:44:33] <asie> the main thing left to do is fixing unicode.sub()
L659[16:44:46] <Nira​hiel> A 2x2x2 converter ?
L660[16:44:50] <Nira​hiel> next to each machine ?
L661[16:44:55] <Vex​atos> no
L662[16:44:57] <Forec​aster> how many do you need...
L663[16:44:59] <Vex​atos> you put all machines in one place
L664[16:45:04] <Vex​atos> and then use a single converter for all of them
L665[16:45:07] <Vex​atos> and your rail network
L666[16:45:23] <Z​ef> A 2x2x2 shape has 24 block surfaces
L667[16:45:58] <Nira​hiel> I don't want a converter in my machine's room, it's ugly
L668[16:46:06] <Vex​atos> then put it outside of your machine room
L669[16:46:07] <Z​ef> It's a machine
L670[16:46:09] <Vex​atos> also I don't find it ugly
L671[16:46:13] <Nira​hiel> Also i have my crafting machines somewhere, and my generators somewhere else, far away. I bring power via Immersive Eng.'s cables.
L672[16:46:19] <Vex​atos> it's one of the fanciest looking things in railcraft
L673[16:46:31] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> that reminds me
L674[16:46:32] <Nira​hiel> i find it ugly
L675[16:46:43] <Vex​atos> well you'll need it anyways
L676[16:46:43] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i need to make IE and all of those play nice with TFC
L677[16:46:44] <Z​ef> If it bothers you enough, make a resource pack
L678[16:46:50] <Vex​atos> in 1.17 you need it to power electric tracks
L679[16:47:02] <Nira​hiel> Yeah, i don't use electric tracks
L680[16:47:04] <Z​ef> 1.17??
L681[16:47:04] <Nira​hiel> x)
L682[16:47:07] <Z​ef> Holy fuck
L683[16:47:11] <Vex​atos> but you have an electric locomotive right there
L684[16:47:19] <Forec​aster> if IE can output EU's you can use the feeder unit
L685[16:47:23] <Nira​hiel> I don't use electric locos
L686[16:47:28] <Vex​atos> oh well
L687[16:47:42] <Nira​hiel> x)
L688[16:47:45] <Vex​atos> not much I can do
L689[16:47:52] <Forec​aster> I vaguely recall IE being capable of outputting EUs
L690[16:48:01] <Z​ef> There's an addon mod
L691[16:48:02] <Nira​hiel> Make your machine use OC's power if available ?
L692[16:48:12] <Vex​atos> they also use OC power if you issue OC commands
L693[16:48:18] <Vex​atos> they still use charge for the actual printing
L694[16:48:36] <Nira​hiel> that's what i'm talking about, let me use OC power for printing
L695[16:48:41] <Vex​atos> it's a railcraft machine of course it uses the same type of power as all other railcraft machines
L696[16:48:55] <Nira​hiel> Nah, it's not a railcraft machine, it's a computronics machine.
L697[16:49:09] <Vex​atos> which is supposed to integrate seamlessly into the railcraft ecosystem
L698[16:49:24] <Nira​hiel> And in the end, i hate all these mods adding their own power system
L699[16:50:01] <Vex​atos> that's a matter of taste
L700[16:50:13] <Vex​atos> on the contrary, I like interesting powe systems and charge is one of the coolest ones
L701[16:50:19] <Vex​atos> on the contrary, I like interesting power systems and charge is one of the coolest ones [Edited]
L702[16:50:30] <Nira​hiel> how "cool" is it ?
L703[16:50:35] <Z​ef> There's a major problem with forge integrating RF into it's system
L704[16:50:43] <Forec​aster> railcraft always had it's own power system since the electric locomotives were added
L705[16:50:47] <Z​ef> It's resulted in an exponential growth of power usage and production
L706[16:50:54] <Vex​atos> yea it's had charge since 2016 or so
L707[16:50:58] <Forec​aster> the other machines were added to that system to avoid having a bunch of different interfaces
L708[16:51:02] <Vex​atos> or even earlier
L709[16:51:09] <Vex​atos> it was just unified
L710[16:51:14] <Vex​atos> so the entire mod uses a single system
L711[16:51:23] <Vex​atos> which it didn't in 1.7
L712[16:51:40] <Elfi> I'm surprised RC didn't move back to MJ like Buildcraft did :P
L713[16:52:08] <Vex​atos> Railcraft updated a year before BC
L714[16:53:30] <Elfi> Oh, hasn't been maintained since then?
L715[16:53:41] <Vex​atos> Both are still maintained
L716[16:53:44] <asie> Non-BMP codepoint support in Java is fun
L717[16:53:47] <asie> (and unintuitive)
L718[16:53:49] <Vex​atos> but now the charge network is there
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L720[16:53:52] <Vex​atos> and it's been there for years
L721[16:53:54] <Vex​atos> so why not use it
L722[16:56:26] <Z​ef> 2014 is when the Flux Transformer was added
L723[16:56:32] <Z​ef> https://railcraft.info/wiki/info:version_history#series_94
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L725[16:58:20] <Nira​hiel> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/idixokomus
L726[17:00:12] <Vex​atos> 2) flux transformer
L727[17:00:25] <Vex​atos> as for 1) the relay is specifically made for short-distance electric networks
L728[17:00:29] <Vex​atos> as you can tell by its 128 block range
L729[17:00:47] <Vex​atos> for long distance routing, you have interfaces to routing switches, routing detectors, routing tracks
L730[17:00:51] <Vex​atos> as well as the digital detector
L731[17:01:05] <Vex​atos> which are all OC-interfaceable
L732[17:02:00] <Nira​hiel> Hum
L733[17:02:04] <Vex​atos> in fact, most tracks in railcraft have an OC interface
L734[17:02:09] <Vex​atos> just place an adapter next to or underneath them
L735[17:02:20] <Vex​atos> same with the routing switch and routing detector
L736[17:02:23] <Nira​hiel> SO I can't even send a message to my train a few thousand blocks away to set it's destination ? T_T
L737[17:02:25] <Vex​atos> you can change the routing table inside those
L738[17:03:11] <Vex​atos> @Nirahiel no, what you do is send a message to another computer on that side which then sends a redstone signal to the track the train is on to start it and also edits the destination in the routing track on its way
L739[17:03:24] <Vex​atos> the locomotive will change its destination as it passes the routing track
L740[17:03:34] <Vex​atos> which is set to the destination you want
L741[17:05:51] <Vex​atos> also, you can obviously interface with the entire railcraft routing equipment
L742[17:06:02] <Vex​atos> i.e. signal blocks and signal boxes
L743[17:06:22] <Vex​atos> with the digital boxes that computronics adds, you can route all trains without even using tickets if you like
L744[17:07:44] <Vex​atos> just allowing you to set the destination of any locomotive anywhere in the world would invalidate the entire railcraft mod
L745[17:07:46] <Vex​atos> that'd suck
L746[17:07:49] <Vex​atos> why would I do that
L747[17:08:08] <Vex​atos> Railcraft has such a cool and complex routing system, I want people to use it
L748[17:08:13] <Vex​atos> just, you know, use it with computers
L749[17:08:51] <Nira​hiel> Well if I can set the destination of a routing track, i don't even need ticket machine or the relay thingy
L750[17:08:59] <Vex​atos> indeed
L751[17:09:07] <Vex​atos> the ticket machines is only really useful in multiplayer
L752[17:09:12] <Vex​atos> if you want actual passenger trains
L753[17:09:20] <Vex​atos> or user-employable cargo trains
L754[17:09:37] <Vex​atos> e.g. "fill this cart up, enter a ticket to your destination, and my Awesome Train Network™ will make sure to deliver it"
L755[17:10:10] <Nira​hiel> Even with passenger trains, i can just set the destination with a routing track.
L756[17:10:17] <Vex​atos> yep
L757[17:10:24] <Nira​hiel> So i don't need your mod after all xD
L758[17:10:28] <Vex​atos> I mean you do
L759[17:10:39] <Vex​atos> modifying routing tracks with opencomputers requires computronics :P
L760[17:10:50] <Vex​atos> all Railcraft<->OC interaction is added by computronics
L761[17:10:56] <Nira​hiel> Ah really ? That sucks
L762[17:11:06] <Nira​hiel> 😦
L763[17:11:21] <Vex​atos> it's one of the biggest parts of computronics
L764[17:11:33] <Vex​atos> and I put a few hundred hours into it
L765[17:11:52] <Z0id​burg> and it says hello world right
L766[17:12:39] <Z​ef> plɹoʍ ollǝɥ
L767[17:12:43] <Vex​atos> I made sure it won't invalidate any part of Railcraft, because I love Railcraft and I want people who want to use it not to just use half of the mod. Computronics doesn't replace railcraft routing, it complements it
L768[17:12:48] <Z0id​burg> %flip Zef
L769[17:12:48] <MichiBot> Z0id​​burg: (╯°□°）╯ɟǝZ
L770[17:12:57] <Z​ef> fez
L771[17:13:26] <Z0id​burg> I never did work on any of my railroad systems
L772[17:13:37] <Z0id​burg> A* is kind of crap when you don't know the size of the railroad
L773[17:14:23] <Nira​hiel> Well i'll use that then... unless i decide to switch to IR. I still can't believe all the RC's machines require charge now. What a stupid idea. I might just give myself admin charge thingies to get unlimited power, since this thing sucks big time imo.
L774[17:14:42] <Vex​atos> it's not hard to just put all RC machines in one place
L775[17:14:47] <Vex​atos> and put a flux transformer next to them
L776[17:15:18] <Z​ef> imagine having to power machines
L777[17:15:18] <Z​ef> smh
L778[17:15:21] <Vex​atos> yea right
L779[17:15:27] <Nira​hiel> I don't like flux transformers
L780[17:15:37] <Z​ef> damn, I couldn't tell
L781[17:15:40] <Nira​hiel> They're too big, the shunting wires power loss are annoying
L782[17:15:47] <Vex​atos> the power loss is tiny >_>
L783[17:15:59] <Z​ef> uh
L784[17:16:06] <Z​ef> don't you use immersive engineering cables?
L785[17:16:10] <Forec​aster> earlier you said power wasn't an issue
L786[17:16:12] <Forec​aster> :P
L787[17:16:24] <Vex​atos> @Zef immersive engineering cables used to have loss too
L788[17:16:26] <Vex​atos> do they still?
L789[17:16:32] <Z​ef> I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking
L790[17:16:46] <Z​ef> FTB wiki seems to say so, but that's always unreliable at best
L791[17:16:57] <asie> okay, sent a draft PR for the non-BMP support ,but it's partially borken
L792[17:17:07] <asie> if anyone wants to take off from here, i won't mind - i might do it at some point in the future
L793[17:17:16] <Nira​hiel> Also i'm "okay" to use it to cross tracks that can't be powered (also another rant, why does my electric tracks turn into non electric when i make them junctions ? ><), but i don't like to use them to power machines, i mean, what the hell ??
L794[17:17:45] <Vex​atos> uh electric junctions do exist
L795[17:17:52] <Forec​aster> that sounds like a bug
L796[17:17:55] <Vex​atos> yea
L797[17:18:01] <Vex​atos> that definitely shouldn't happen
L798[17:18:16] <Vex​atos> you're using a spike on an electric track right?
L799[17:18:23] <Vex​atos> and that turns it into a non electric junction?
L800[17:18:33] <Nira​hiel> http://tinyurl.com/yx552zdz
L801[17:18:34] <Vex​atos> that's definitely a bug
L802[17:18:49] <Nira​hiel> Just spike mauled those electric tracks
L803[17:18:53] <Vex​atos> yea
L804[17:18:56] <Vex​atos> that's a bug 100%
L805[17:19:01] <Vex​atos> report it on github please
L806[17:19:26] <Nira​hiel> The cross one is fine tho http://tinyurl.com/yx6bszwu
L807[17:19:34] <Vex​atos> definitely a bug
L808[17:19:50] <Vex​atos> please report it so it can get fixed
L809[17:19:54] <Vex​atos> <https://github.com/Railcraft/Railcraft/issues/&gt;
L810[17:20:05] <Nira​hiel> not gonna bother
L811[17:20:12] <Michiyo> o_O
L812[17:20:12] <Vex​atos> please do
L813[17:20:15] <Nira​hiel> T_T
L814[17:20:27] <Vex​atos> you're not allowed to complain about bugs if you don't report them
L815[17:20:38] <Z​ef> > complains the entire goddamn time about stuff
L816[17:20:46] <Vex​atos> how is anyone supposed to fix it if noone tells them it exists
L817[17:20:48] <Z​ef> > finds a bug and refuses to do anything about it
L818[17:20:52] <Nira​hiel> Well then I should also report this http://tinyurl.com/szbnkec
L819[17:21:07] <Z​ef> uh yeah
L820[17:21:11] <Z0id​burg> @AdorableCatgirl One of the reasons I wrote Trotwood wasn't just for resource sharing but so I can do foreign RPC to the Internet with a giant cloud of OC computers and connect them to a website or something so I can live control and view whats going on on multiple servers
L821[17:21:33] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oooo
L822[17:21:42] <Z0id​burg> It will never happen because now I have a girlfriend
L823[17:21:44] <Z0id​burg> again
L824[17:21:53] <Z0id​burg> But it's a good dream
L825[17:22:02] <Z​ef> dae girlfriend no computer
L826[17:23:02] <Nira​hiel> And that too http://tinyurl.com/vplaqcy
L827[17:23:20] <Nira​hiel> I'm sure there are other bugs
L828[17:23:38] <Z0id​burg> Anyone running any servers with OC on it lately?
L829[17:23:47] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/5FaJzFoRDzCdbDD
L830[17:24:03] <Z​ef> I was but kinda changed my mind about it
L831[17:24:12] <Z0id​burg> ooh
L832[17:24:38] <Forec​aster> the official railcraft server is going to re-appear soon, probably sometime next month
L833[17:24:39] <Michiyo> not bad video quality from an old ass cheapo moto g4 play
L834[17:24:44] <Z0id​burg> I wonder if PC-Logix is still updated
L835[17:24:51] <Michiyo> The server is down :P
L836[17:24:58] <Z0id​burg> I really like that pack
L837[17:24:59] <Michiyo> I don't even know if the pack will load anymore.
L838[17:25:03] <Vexatos> @Forecaster :o
L839[17:25:38] <Michiyo> which one did you use @Z0idburg? di you have the MMC auto update instance?
L840[17:25:54] <Michiyo> or the one I ran on Technic
L841[17:25:54] <Forec​aster> but it will be completely open
L842[17:26:05] <Z0id​burg> I think it was technic
L843[17:26:10] <Z0id​burg> I haven't played MC in ages
L844[17:26:11] <Michiyo> ahh yeah solder is ded
L845[17:26:19] <Michiyo> I've moved servers and didn't bother setting it back up
L846[17:26:21] <Z0id​burg> I don't even know what people are using these days
L847[17:26:51] <Z0id​burg> I'm curious if EC2 would make a good Minecraft server
L848[17:27:02] <Z0id​burg> We're using it for Space Engineers atm and its working great
L849[17:27:20] <Z0id​burg> my friends and I
L850[17:27:40] <Michiyo> I spun up a MC Server VM on my new r815, was mainly for house members, but I'
L851[17:27:45] <Michiyo> ve considered opening it up
L852[17:27:58] <Z0id​burg> 815 that's a nice box
L853[17:28:02] <Z0id​burg> we have an r610
L854[17:28:20] <Michiyo> 48 cores, 256GB RAM, Eventually will be 64/512
L855[17:28:23] <Z0id​burg> I want an r720XD
L856[17:28:28] <Z0id​burg> with the 24 2.5" HDD bays
L857[17:28:34] <Vexatos> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/208945051848409088/687629834175643657/unknown.png
L858[17:29:01] <Z0id​burg> The hell are you running on, IBM POWER?
L859[17:29:09] <Michiyo> This box is also running a Star Wars Galaxies emu VM, a AION Emu VM, my development City of Heroes PServer stuff
L860[17:29:13] <Z0id​burg> SPARC?
L861[17:29:15] <Michiyo> my torrent box, my plex box..
L862[17:29:15] <Michiyo> lol
L863[17:29:25] <Forec​aster> this is the suggested modlist at the moment https://github.com/Railcraft/RailcraftPatronServer/issues/98
L864[17:29:25] <MichiBot> Title: Mod for 1.12 pack | Posted by: NightwolfBlue | Posted: Mon Mar 02 17:10:35 CST 2020 | Status: open
L865[17:29:32] <Forec​aster> I've yet to go over it myself really
L866[17:29:51] <Vexatos> this one is a dual xeon gold 6230
L867[17:30:01] <Vexatos> not mine of course, but I use it at work
L868[17:30:03] <Michiyo> Still only gets to like 20-30% CPU,. and 48% RAM used
L869[17:30:45] <Z0id​burg> Vexatos, something seems odd about the CPU usage vs memory usage lol
L870[17:30:48] <Vexatos> >[unsure] computronics
L871[17:31:02] ⇨ Joins: FuriousTheCrusader (~furiousth@158.69.124.22)
L872[17:31:14] <FuriousTheCrusader> test
L873[17:31:15] <Vexatos> @Z0idburg ORCA doesn't need much RAM for most things
L874[17:31:18] <Forec​aster> I'm going to veto that one obviously
L875[17:31:24] <Forec​aster> we can't have such a terrible mod on the server
L876[17:31:26] <Vexatos> thanks forecaster
L877[17:31:27] ⇦ Parts: FuriousTheCrusader (~furiousth@158.69.124.22) ())
L878[17:31:28] <Michiyo> FuriousTheCrusader your name is too long for others in the channel to see your messages
L879[17:31:29] <Vexatos> I asgree
L880[17:31:30] <Michiyo> aaand missed.
L881[17:31:31] <Z0id​burg> is that load average accumulative to number of cores? I forget how htop does it
L882[17:31:31] <Michiyo> nice.
L883[17:31:35] <Z0id​burg> and everything
L884[17:31:43] <Z0id​burg> because if so that's incredibly efficient
L885[17:31:51] <Z0id​burg> that's a mean load average of like 0.7
L886[17:32:01] <Vexatos> I never understood the load average number
L887[17:32:13] <Forec​aster> nor `Forecaster's Backpacks`
L888[17:32:13] <Z0id​burg> its the number of processes waiting to be run in teh schedule
L889[17:32:17] <Forec​aster> such an awful mod
L890[17:32:35] <Z0id​burg> first is last minute second is last 5 minutes 3rd is 15 minutes
L891[17:32:43] <Vexatos> but this is four geometry optimizations using 20 threads each running in parallel. I think the way slurm does it is that is actually assigns specific threads to specific processes, and there is no switching between them
L892[17:32:55] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> w10 is broken because >forced update
L893[17:33:01] <Z0id​burg> you are 100% effiicent if you have a load average of 1 at full cpu usage.
L894[17:33:06] <Z0id​burg> or close to it
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L896[17:33:36] <Michiyo> Furious, your previous nick was too long, only ops saw your test message
L897[17:33:37] <Z0id​burg> it means that you have the least ammount of idle time and processes are not waiting unfairly
L898[17:33:47] <Vexatos> well all the software we use is optimized for HPC
L899[17:33:56] <Furious> how do i change my Wocchat nick , it's defaulting to the long nick
L900[17:33:58] <Vexatos> calculations take hours to weeks so every cycle counts
L901[17:34:26] <Furious> everytime i run wocchat my nick gets set to the long one
L902[17:34:29] <Michiyo> you'll need to /part the channel, then /nick someshorternick then /join #oc
L903[17:34:31] <Michiyo> that should do it
L904[17:34:38] <Furious> i just did that
L905[17:34:47] <Z0id​burg> if I had a guess the load average of 77 means that approximately 1 process per thread is in teh queue
L906[17:34:51] <Z0id​burg> which is a nice efficieny
L907[17:34:51] <Furious> but i don't want to that that everytime i run wocchat
L908[17:34:54] <Vexatos> normal ORCA opts don't use much RAM but have a lot of IO throughput for inter process communication
L909[17:35:06] <Michiyo> Then wocchat should save the shorter nick, if not ask @gamax92
L910[17:35:22] <Furious> it didn't save it .. it defaulted to the longer one
L911[17:35:30] <Vexatos> @Z0idburg well I did launch the processes with exactly 20 threads each
L912[17:35:42] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> does nobody QA test shit anymore jfc
L913[17:36:01] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 'cause my discord mobile is royally fucked too
L914[17:37:31] <Furious> and i typed the "test" message to see which nick was being used .. i know only ops could see it
L915[17:38:29] <Furious> if i uninstall wocchat and reinstall it .. will that reset wocchat?
L916[17:38:35] <Michiyo> Then see if you can find a .cfg around somewhere
L917[17:38:40] <Michiyo> I know it saves one just not sure where
L918[17:38:50] <Furious> ok let me check
L919[17:38:51] ⇦ Quits: Furious (~furiousth@158.69.124.22) (Quit: Proudly using WocChat!)
L920[17:39:18] <Michiyo> /etc/wocchat.cfg
L921[17:39:20] <Michiyo> damn it
L922[17:39:33] <Z0id​burg> @Vexatos right but i was talking cpu threads
L923[17:40:12] <Z0id​burg> CPU threading is actually one of those things I never did look into to figure out how they actually work
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L925[17:40:39] <Furious> hey it worked
L926[17:40:44] <Z0id​burg> I understand the concept of multi core and multi CPU design but threading I never looked into.
L927[17:41:28] <Z0id​burg> So what modpacks is everyone using nowaadays?
L928[17:41:51] <Furious> ok so .. can many remote terminals connect to terminal server? i would assume so
L929[17:41:57] <Michiyo> who has time to *play* Minecraft?
L930[17:42:09] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> heyyyy
L931[17:42:17] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> maybe i can use wangblows mow
L932[17:42:19] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> *now
L933[17:42:24] <Michiyo> I barely have time to *MOD* Minecraft
L934[17:42:39] <Z0id​burg> hehe
L935[17:42:59] <Forec​aster> I've never once used a pre-made modpack
L936[17:43:10] <Forec​aster> I've always used a custom one
L937[17:43:15] <Michiyo> ^
L938[17:43:16] <Z0id​burg> it can be handy
L939[17:43:38] <Vexatos> @Z0idburg I installed slurm on it and I just let that and the kernel handle everything for me so I don't really know what's going on
L940[17:43:41] <Z0id​burg> then again I am not up to date with mods today
L941[17:43:50] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> and it worked
L942[17:43:51] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> finally
L943[17:43:54] <Z0id​burg> 😄
L944[17:44:00] <Furious> im playing on my friend's custom modpack
L945[17:44:01] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i need to help my friend make his modpack
L946[17:44:23] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> he wants me to use some crafttweaker scripts so we can use IE in TFC
L947[17:44:30] <Z0id​burg> there's also wondering what version of MC to use
L948[17:44:33] <Furious> can many remote terminals connect to terminal server? i would assume so
L949[17:44:52] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> well
L950[17:44:59] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> either 1.7 or 1.12
L951[17:45:00] <Furious> since it's called a server
L952[17:45:01] <Vexatos> Furious, up to four
L953[17:45:07] <Furious> thanks
L954[17:45:08] <Vexatos> that's why it has four lights
L955[17:45:10] <Z0id​burg> 1.12 was fine
L956[17:45:19] <Z0id​burg> I just don't like the "automatic jump on ledges" thing
L957[17:45:25] <Vexatos> @Z0idburg you can turn that off
L958[17:45:26] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> do people still use 1.6?
L959[17:45:32] <Furious> ohhhh i see
L960[17:45:40] <Vexatos> and then install https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/dont-stub-your-toe so you can still get it while sprinting
L961[17:45:45] <Vexatos> I heard the dev of that mod is pretty cool
L962[17:45:56] <Z0id​burg> booting my shadow
L963[17:46:06] <Z0id​burg> I'm glad I still have my shadow game cloud stuff
L964[17:46:30] <Forec​aster> I've heard he's a jerk and makes mod that don't do what you want
L965[17:46:34] <Forec​aster> like use power from any mod
L966[17:46:58] <Forec​aster> mods*
L967[17:47:14] <Z0id​burg> I think what I need for an EEPROM is something that uses HTTP for the filesystem
L968[17:47:20] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i'm the jerk that --OH I CAN MAKE THAT
L969[17:47:27] <Vexatos> @Forecaster I heard he made backpacks noone uses
L970[17:47:28] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> LEMME WHIP OUT LUACOMP AGAIN
L971[17:47:33] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> LZSS LET'S GO
L972[17:47:35] <Z0id​burg> lol
L973[17:47:50] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i can add an entire multithreading system in if you want too :^)
L974[17:47:53] <Z0id​burg> Somebody please make AdorableCatgirl a superhero video
L975[17:48:14] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i have been listening to eurobeat for days now
L976[17:48:15] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> help
L977[17:48:18] <Z0id​burg> rofl
L978[17:48:25] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i only got my accord stuck in a ditch once
L979[17:48:30] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> and i was just trying to multipoint turn
L980[17:48:49] <Z0id​burg> OMG I was doing that once at night and almost rolled my car over
L981[17:48:53] <Z0id​burg> I was on 3 wheels
L982[17:48:54] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> how
L983[17:49:05] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i just did a three point in two points
L984[17:49:08] <Z0id​burg> I missed the driveway and went into the culvert which was huge
L985[17:49:18] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i'm still not completely used to a 5 speed
L986[17:49:25] <Furious> i have a solar generator upgrade on my tablet and the sun isn't charging it at all
L987[17:49:31] <Z0id​burg> the SUV was balancing and I somehow got back on the road
L988[17:49:37] <Z0id​burg> mine is a 6 speed 😄
L989[17:50:44] <Z0id​burg> but I wish it was 4WD
L990[17:50:54] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oh
L991[17:50:55] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> suv
L992[17:50:57] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> that's
L993[17:51:05] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> that's why
L994[17:51:09] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i was very confused
L995[17:51:12] <Z0id​burg> haha
L996[17:51:15] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> because i mostly drive a 99 accord
L997[17:51:20] <Z0id​burg> you grab the oh shit handles fast
L998[17:51:33] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> since my s10 needs a new transmission finally
L999[17:51:55] <Z0id​burg> I have been looking at a 1973? Jeep J20 3/4 ton truck with a chevy big block in it
L1000[17:52:04] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> lmao
L1001[17:52:05] <Z0id​burg> awesome pickup truck. Bench seat
L1002[17:52:07] <Z0id​burg> no seatbelts
L1003[17:52:23] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i'm gonna be sticking a T5 in my S10
L1004[17:52:39] <Z0id​burg> has a 4 speed granny transmittion with a first gear ratio so huge you can redline it at 10mph
L1005[17:52:54] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> that's
L1006[17:52:57] <Z0id​burg> but you will pull the tow hitch out of the frame before you break the frame
L1007[17:52:59] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> that's worse than my accord
L1008[17:53:22] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> also i have an accord EX
L1009[17:53:27] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> so i have the F23A1 B)
L1010[17:54:47] <Z0id​burg> http://tinyurl.com/rzroesk
L1011[17:54:50] <Z0id​burg> Don't these just look awesome?
L1012[17:55:06] <Z0id​burg> Jeep made some nice trucks back in the day
L1013[17:56:02] <Z0id​burg> They eventually became the wagoneer and then the cherokee iirc
L1014[17:56:11] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> nice
L1015[17:56:21] <Z0id​burg> But I want one with an AMC 401 V8
L1016[17:56:29] <Z0id​burg> with 340 horsepower
L1017[17:56:54] <Z0id​burg> 4 speed transmission its all you need
L1018[17:57:20] <Z0id​burg> Honestly I'm not picky except that I want a truck and it a) needs to have a manual transmission and b) it has to have a bench seat
L1019[17:57:54] <Z0id​burg> and c) It has to have a carburetor
L1020[18:00:00] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> tbh, i would love to swap a 6A12 into my accord
L1021[18:00:31] <Z0id​burg> hmm
L1022[18:00:39] <Z0id​burg> V6?
L1023[18:00:41] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> yea
L1024[18:00:42] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 2.0
L1025[18:00:55] <Z0id​burg> My SUV's V6 is a 3.7
L1026[18:01:13] <Z0id​burg> 2.0 is a tiny V6
L1027[18:01:15] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> yep
L1028[18:01:16] <Z0id​burg> must be good on gas
L1029[18:01:34] <Z0id​burg> I think my friends WRX has a bigger 4 cylinder
L1030[18:01:36] <Z0id​burg> 😄
L1031[18:01:50] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> my accord has a bigger 4 cylinder :P
L1032[18:01:52] <Michiyo> *I* have a bigger 4 cylinder :P
L1033[18:01:53] <Z0id​burg> haha
L1034[18:02:04] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 2.3L
L1035[18:02:12] <Michiyo> 2.2 here lol
L1036[18:02:18] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> my truck has a 2.2
L1037[18:02:37] <Z0id​burg> I want like a chevy malibu or something with the Chevy 9.3L
L1038[18:02:40] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> tbh i would love to get my hands on a Prelude Si
L1039[18:02:43] <Z0id​burg> 572 cu in
L1040[18:02:45] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 4WS
L1041[18:03:08] <Z0id​burg> you can stick a couple of 1100 CFM carburetors on those 572s and get 700+ HP out of them
L1042[18:03:22] <Z0id​burg> with an insane ammount of torque
L1043[18:03:29] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> yea, a BB2
L1044[18:03:55] <Z0id​burg> It'd be cool to have a tunnel ram as well
L1045[18:04:13] <Z0id​burg> but you can't see very well with a tunnel ram
L1046[18:04:51] <Z0id​burg> I guess you can get short ones
L1047[18:05:15] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> lmao
L1048[18:05:20] <Z0id​burg> http://tinyurl.com/wgvw6gp
L1049[18:05:24] <Z0id​burg> this guys tunnel ram is a bit big
L1050[18:05:43] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i also need to redo the paint and clearcoat on the hoods of both my accord and my S10
L1051[18:05:57] <Z0id​burg> finding good cars here is very hard in Maine
L1052[18:06:07] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 'cause it's a black 99 accord
L1053[18:06:16] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i also need to reseal everything
L1054[18:06:17] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> on both
L1055[18:06:37] <Z0id​burg> My friend broke down in new mexico and took his car to the garage because the brake lines broke
L1056[18:06:48] <Z0id​burg> and they looked under it and said "We have never seen so much rust we wont even work on it"
L1057[18:06:51] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> lmao
L1058[18:06:57] <Z0id​burg> so he looks underneath and says, "Looks pretty usual to me"
L1059[18:07:03] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> neither of my rides have a rust problem
L1060[18:07:11] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> even tho i live in Virginia
L1061[18:07:24] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> where we put more salt on the roads than we have in the bay
L1062[18:07:41] <Z0id​burg> I actually grabbed my exhaust pipe under my SUV the other day and it pulled out from under the car
L1063[18:07:43] <Z0id​burg> in one piece
L1064[18:08:12] <Z0id​burg> I was showing someone how the hangers work and realized, "Oh, my exhaust is rusted out, here's an exhaust pipe and muffler for you"
L1065[18:08:32] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> anyways, i gotta go
L1066[18:08:43] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> ALSO
L1067[18:08:55] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> HOW THE FUCK CAN I FIND HEADLAMP ASSEMBLIES FOR MY S10
L1068[18:09:07] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> 'cause i have the Isuzu Hombre, specifically
L1069[18:09:15] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> ya know, the uncommon one
L1070[18:09:40] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> *find/make
L1071[18:09:57] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> example http://tinyurl.com/vd8hevc
L1072[18:10:11] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i love the look of the headlamps but jfc
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L1077[18:17:53] *** ba7888b72413a16a is now known as lord|
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L1081[18:25:18] <Z0id​burg> %tell AdorableCatgirl Check to see if you have something like Kenny-Upull, they are giant junkyards where you bring all your tools and take them apart yourself
L1082[18:25:18] <MichiBot> Z0id​burg: AdorableCatgirl will be notified of this message when next seen.
L1083[18:26:37] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> @Z0idburg I live right by a junkyard where I can do that, they don't have Hombres
L1084[18:27:09] <Z0id​burg> hugh
L1085[18:27:13] <Z0id​burg> huh*
L1086[18:27:29] <Z0id​burg> Rock Auto maybe
L1087[18:27:40] <Z0id​burg> I bought my clutch from rock auto
L1088[18:27:45] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> nope
L1089[18:27:59] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> sadly, my pickup didn't sell well :(
L1090[18:28:08] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> well the hombre didn't
L1091[18:28:13] <Z0id​burg> Might I suggest an aftermarket headlight job
L1092[18:28:20] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> yea, might have to
L1093[18:28:22] <Z0id​burg> Just make one work for a different car
L1094[18:28:52] <Z0id​burg> probably not 100% legal but they don't usually care if there's nothing you can do
L1095[18:28:53] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> i might check to see if the honda passport lights fit
L1096[18:29:35] <Z0id​burg> chances are they used that headlight in other vehicles
L1097[18:31:05] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> ye
L1098[18:34:48] <Z0id​burg> what was that alternative to applied energistics everyone likes?
L1099[18:35:22] <Forec​aster> if you mean what Izaya uses, storage drawers?
L1100[18:37:54] <Z0id​burg> I thought there was one that started with M or somethung that people liked
L1101[18:38:00] <Z0id​burg> it was like AE2 but lighter
L1102[18:39:09] <Forec​aster> there's also Refined Storage which is actually like AE I think
L1103[18:39:16] <Z0id​burg> refined storage that was it
L1104[18:52:47] <Forec​aster> %sip
L1105[18:52:47] <MichiBot> You drink a soft automato potion (New!). Once empty the potion bottle fills with a different potion.
L1106[18:52:53] <Forec​aster> %sip
L1107[18:52:53] <MichiBot> You drink a runny lime potion (New!). Forec​aster shrinks by a negligible amount until Sozin's Comet returns.
L1108[18:52:59] <Forec​aster> aw
L1109[19:05:42] <Z0id​burg> so I got some cool mods
L1110[19:05:48] <Z0id​burg> beta+ looks awesome
L1111[19:05:52] <Z0id​burg> I miss the beta worldgen
L1112[19:05:58] <Z0id​burg> it was so weird
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L1114[19:33:07] <Elfi> %quaff
L1115[19:33:07] <MichiBot> You drink a stirring spice potion (New!). Elfi briefly feel like they have just stepped out of a car.
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L1118[19:43:40] <Ocawes​ome101> %fling at Forecaster
L1119[19:43:40] <MichiBot> Ocawes​ome101 flings Measuring String in a random direction. It hits Forec​aster underneath their foot. They take 1d4 => 3 damage!
L1120[19:43:41] * MichiBot Measuring String was suddenly outlawed and confiscated by the MIB.
L1121[19:43:51] <Ocawes​ome101> :O
L1122[19:48:30] <Forec​aster> what have you done
L1123[19:55:52] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> @Z0idburg do you have a release of Trotwood? It sounds interesting.
L1124[20:04:02] <Z0id​burg> Nope but I think I'll work on the system a bit tonight. I looked at the codebase today and realized I have changed the scheduler a lot
L1125[20:04:11] <Z0id​burg> so its broken until I fix that
L1126[20:04:15] <Z0id​burg> and the github is not up to date
L1127[20:04:32] <Z0id​burg> but the outdated code is at github.com/bhodgins/trotwood
L1128[20:04:44] <Z0id​burg> but the outdated code is at http://github.com/bhodgins/trotwood [Edited]
L1129[20:06:03] <Z0id​burg> wow yeah that is wayyy outdated
L1130[20:06:14] <Z0id​burg> even the fs api is wrong
L1131[20:06:35] <Z0id​burg> I'll work on it tonight. I have Minecraft up
L1132[20:07:06] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> http://tinyurl.com/skr78co
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L1134[20:47:05] <Sagh​etti> demonetized
L1135[21:38:39] <20​kdc> Is this a real video.
L1136[21:39:21] <dequbed> Apparently.
L1137[21:44:44] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> sadly, yes
L1138[21:47:49] <Ar​iri> sponsored by NordVPN
L1139[21:54:21] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> how does the man get sponsored is what i wanna know
L1140[21:54:32] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> anyways
L1141[21:54:37] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> eurobeat doriftu
L1142[22:00:13] <Inari> https://twitter.com/Asuka_Boi/status/1238943616917213190
L1143[22:00:14] <MichiBot> Sat Mar 14 16:42:31 CDT 2020 @Asuka_Boi: when stuck in Italian quarantine the only way to keep sane is getting your whole fucking neighborhood singing cruel… <https://t.co/TI0MevdDMO&gt;
L1144[22:10:50] <Ocawes​ome101> so
L1145[22:10:55] <Ocawes​ome101> Proton finally actually boots
L1146[22:10:59] <Ocawes​ome101> to an actual shell
L1147[22:11:28] <Kristo​pher38> Izaya: I don't remember, did you finish your autocrafting system?
L1148[22:50:39] <Ar​iri> turning an old hp pavilion desktop from a decade ago is much more tedious than i’d hoped, but at least it’s running for now on a makeshift lego testbench
L1149[22:56:42] <Forec​aster> If it's hard to turn try lifting it so the rubber feet aren't touching the table :D
L1150[22:56:56] <Forec​aster> #protips
L1151[22:58:46] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> oops
L1152[22:59:07] <Adorabl​eCatgirl> looks like i'm gonna be carrying maybe
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L1154[23:57:34] <CompanionCube> 'UK ministers will no longer claim 'no successful examples' of Russian interference' i wonder if we will ever find out what they were successful at, then....
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