L1[00:00:21] 
<Bob> lmao
bots dont even know their coordinates or anything
<Bob> lmao
bots dont even know their coordinates or anythingL2[00:00:30] <Bob> and
they cant detect blocks either
<Bob> and
they cant detect blocks eitherL3[00:00:38] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> They do with the
navigation module don't they
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> They do with the
navigation module don't theyL4[00:00:51] <Bob>
doesnt make em be self aware
<Bob>
doesnt make em be self awareL5[00:00:55] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> And they can detect
blocks as well
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> And they can detect
blocks as wellL6[00:01:42] <Bob> just
obstacles
<Bob> just
obstaclesL7[00:02:10] <Bob> its
not blocks
<Bob> its
not blocksL8[00:02:15] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Yes that's the only
thing you need to make them reach their destination
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Yes that's the only
thing you need to make them reach their destinationL9[00:02:44] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Their coordinates, their
destination coordinates and whether if they can continue
walking
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Their coordinates, their
destination coordinates and whether if they can continue
walkingL10[00:02:47] <Bob> you
cant pathfind if you dont have any data about the path either
<Bob> you
cant pathfind if you dont have any data about the path eitherL11[00:03:12] <Bob>
navigation upgrade allows them to see waypoints with relative
coordinates
<Bob>
navigation upgrade allows them to see waypoints with relative
coordinatesL12[00:04:15] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Well that serves me as
well
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Well that serves me as
wellL13[00:04:23] <MGR>
^^
<MGR>
^^L14[00:04:42] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I just want them to move
to a certain fixed place when some event happens
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I just want them to move
to a certain fixed place when some event happensL15[00:05:00] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> For example if they are
low battery or full they must go to a "maintenance
point"
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> For example if they are
low battery or full they must go to a "maintenance
point"L16[00:05:05] <MGR> You'd
need a nav upgrade probably
<MGR> You'd
need a nav upgrade probablyL17[00:05:17] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> And code-wise?
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> And code-wise?L18[00:05:32] <MGR> Not
terribly hard
<MGR> Not
terribly hardL19[00:05:40] <MGR> I
could maybe help tomorrow if you want
<MGR> I
could maybe help tomorrow if you wantL20[00:05:40] <Bob> A*
probs
<Bob> A*
probsL21[00:05:57] <Bob> yet
the robot is the tester
<Bob> yet
the robot is the testerL22[00:08:06] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> And now back to my first
question: do you guys know of any pastebin/oppm package/resource
that could make this easier?
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> And now back to my first
question: do you guys know of any pastebin/oppm package/resource
that could make this easier?L23[00:08:44] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Otherwise it's fine I
can make it work myself, I'm just delegating work
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Otherwise it's fine I
can make it work myself, I'm just delegating workL24[00:08:51] <Bob>
nope
<Bob>
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L26[00:09:38] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Alright I'll experiment
with nav upgrades and try to figure out a solution on my own.
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Alright I'll experiment
with nav upgrades and try to figure out a solution on my own.L27[00:09:54] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Now a second question,
also about robots
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Now a second question,
also about robotsL28[00:10:26] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Is there any way to make
robots emit messages or allow for communication with nearby
players?
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Is there any way to make
robots emit messages or allow for communication with nearby
players?L29[00:10:43] <Izaya> computronics chat
box
L30[00:10:47] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Maybe if they can beep I
can code messages using that(?)
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Maybe if they can beep I
can code messages using that(?)L31[00:11:14] <Bob>
networking ?
<Bob>
networking ?L32[00:11:28] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> No but communication
with players
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> No but communication
with playersL33[00:11:32] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Not other
computers
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Not other
computersL34[00:11:58] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I want players to see
the status of the robots using some kind of human-readable
output
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I want players to see
the status of the robots using some kind of human-readable
outputL35[00:11:58] <Bob>
they'd have to come up and type in
<Bob>
they'd have to come up and type inL36[00:12:04] <Bob> the
light
<Bob> the
lightL37[00:12:33] <Izaya> https://wiki.vexatos.com/wiki:computronics:chat_box
L38[00:12:51] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> The light is a bit
limited... But well I can encode some messages using patterns such
as blinking... alright
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> The light is a bit
limited... But well I can encode some messages using patterns such
as blinking... alrightL39[00:12:55] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Thank you
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Thank youL40[00:13:28] <Bob> if
you got computronics ^
<Bob> if
you got computronics ^L41[00:13:39] <Bob>
soundcarts too
<Bob>
soundcarts tooL42[00:13:55] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I sadly don't. I can try
to convince the other server admins though
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I sadly don't. I can try
to convince the other server admins thoughL43[00:14:13] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Is computronics good?
Looking for subjective opinions here
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Is computronics good?
Looking for subjective opinions hereL44[00:14:31] <Izaya> it adds lots of shit
you didn't know you wanted
L45[00:14:36] <Izaya> and tape drives,
which you definitely wanted
L46[00:14:49] <Bob>
^
<Bob>
^L47[00:14:55] <Bob> you
didnt want but need mmmhm
<Bob> you
didnt want but need mmmhmL48[00:15:21] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Tape drives?
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Tape drives?L49[00:15:54] <Izaya> you can write encoded
audio to them and play it back
L50[00:16:00] <Izaya> or just use them to
store lots of data
L51[00:16:04] <Bob>
yes
<Bob>
yesL52[00:16:26] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Omggg
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> OmgggL53[00:17:20] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> God it would be so cool
if I could just make a robot say something like "inventory
full, returning to base" using sound!!
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> God it would be so cool
if I could just make a robot say something like "inventory
full, returning to base" using sound!!L54[00:17:50] <Izaya> https://0x0.st/is7w.webm
L55[00:18:22] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Well thank you guys for
all the info. I hope I can manage to make really good and smart
~~slaves~~ helpers :D
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Well thank you guys for
all the info. I hope I can manage to make really good and smart
~~slaves~~ helpers :DL56[00:19:42] ⇦
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L57[00:21:45] <Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko There
exists a library to do navigation without waypoints or any sort of
gps system
<Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko There
exists a library to do navigation without waypoints or any sort of
gps systemL58[00:22:08] <Kristopher38> https://github.com/Akuukis/RobotColorWars-Minecraft/blob/master/lib/nav.lua
<Kristopher38> https://github.com/Akuukis/RobotColorWars-Minecraft/blob/master/lib/nav.luaL59[00:23:53] <Kristopher38> it's pretty old though like
most stuff on openprograms, but afaik it was thoroughly tested and
can work with memory constraints of opencomputers
<Kristopher38> it's pretty old though like
most stuff on openprograms, but afaik it was thoroughly tested and
can work with memory constraints of opencomputersL60[00:24:43] <Kristopher38> read on its features here
https://github.com/Akuukis/RobotColorWars-Minecraft#navigation-youtube-video
<Kristopher38> read on its features here
https://github.com/Akuukis/RobotColorWars-Minecraft#navigation-youtube-videoL61[00:27:16] <Kristopher38> I'm also working on my own
lib to do navigation but it's tailored to work with my other libs
and I haven't tested it thoroughly but it works very well for small
distances
<Kristopher38> I'm also working on my own
lib to do navigation but it's tailored to work with my other libs
and I haven't tested it thoroughly but it works very well for small
distancesL62[00:30:24] <Kristopher38> Also your best bet for
communicating with nearby players is by putting a wireless network
card tier 2 into your robot, and making it transmit broadcast
messages, which can be received by tablets which players would have
in their inventory
<Kristopher38> Also your best bet for
communicating with nearby players is by putting a wireless network
card tier 2 into your robot, and making it transmit broadcast
messages, which can be received by tablets which players would have
in their inventoryL63[00:30:46] <Izaya> nah man
L64[00:30:48] <Izaya> chat box
upgrade
L65[00:30:52] <Izaya> spew messages
straight into chat
L66[00:31:01] <Izaya> (if you manage to get
Computronics)
L67[00:32:04] <Kristopher38> Another mod suggestion
would be OpenGlasses, you could render the messages sent by your
robot directly on your UI
<Kristopher38> Another mod suggestion
would be OpenGlasses, you could render the messages sent by your
robot directly on your UIL68[00:38:20] ⇨
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L69[00:42:52] <Mimiru> internet card, have
it send straight to an IRC channel with a IRC <-> Discord
bridge
L70[00:43:09] <Izaya> For example, this
one!
L71[00:43:29] <Mimiru> Or, setup a discord
webhook and go internet card → webhook → Discord
L72[00:43:49] <Izaya> didn't webhooks have
some issue with the internet card?
L73[00:44:16] <Mimiru> Of course, you'd
likely have to have a in between there... so icard → some service →
webhook → discord
L74[00:44:17] <Mimiru> :P
L75[00:45:33] <Izaya> counter-idea
L76[00:45:38] <Izaya> just connect it to
IRC
L77[00:55:32] <Mimiru> :P
L79[01:01:09] <Kleadron>
woah
<Kleadron>
woahL80[01:01:43] <ThePiGuy24> the glitchyness seems to
purely depend on how the server feels
<ThePiGuy24> the glitchyness seems to
purely depend on how the server feelsL81[01:06:30] <Kleadron>
the glitchyness looks cool though
<Kleadron>
the glitchyness looks cool thoughL82[01:06:49] <Kleadron>
it looks like actual glitchyness
<Kleadron>
it looks like actual glitchynessL83[01:06:53] <ThePiGuy24> well it is
<ThePiGuy24> well it isL84[01:07:12] <ThePiGuy24> id prefer if it wasnt there
though
<ThePiGuy24> id prefer if it wasnt there
thoughL85[01:07:22] <Kleadron>
true that's kind of a problem
<Kleadron>
true that's kind of a problemL86[01:08:27] <ThePiGuy24> huh the computer only has a
tier 2 cpu
<ThePiGuy24> huh the computer only has a
tier 2 cpuL87[01:08:43] <ThePiGuy24> wonder what i can acheive
with tier 3 :p
<ThePiGuy24> wonder what i can acheive
with tier 3 :pL88[01:09:14] <ThePiGuy24> neat i have a spare tier 3
cpu
<ThePiGuy24> neat i have a spare tier 3
cpuL89[01:12:30] <ThePiGuy24> tier 3 seems to make it
minorly less glitchy
<ThePiGuy24> tier 3 seems to make it
minorly less glitchyL90[01:19:26] <Kristopher38> yeah, there was a
discussion on another server regarding call limits
<Kristopher38> yeah, there was a
discussion on another server regarding call limitsL91[01:20:34] <Kristopher38> there is a global limit of
how much instructions all cpus in game can execute in one tick
before they are postponed to another, iirc
<Kristopher38> there is a global limit of
how much instructions all cpus in game can execute in one tick
before they are postponed to another, iircL92[01:22:39] ⇦
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L93[01:24:52] <Kristopher38> or it was actually calls or
sth that mattered
<Kristopher38> or it was actually calls or
sth that matteredL94[01:25:21] <Izaya> there's a time limit
that, if you exceed, you get TLWOY errors
L95[01:25:30] <Kristopher38> We were discussing if it
was possible to circumvent the gpu delays, but there's a limit on
how many gpu calls you can make in a single tick
<Kristopher38> We were discussing if it
was possible to circumvent the gpu delays, but there's a limit on
how many gpu calls you can make in a single tickL96[01:25:39] <Izaya> but component calls
are the real limitation
L97[01:26:06] <Kristopher38> oh right, component
calls
<Kristopher38> oh right, component
callsL98[01:26:58] <Kristopher38> anyway, we theoretized that
we could put multiple gpus in one computer or even use multiple
computers with multiple gpus to draw to one screen for rendering
speedup
<Kristopher38> anyway, we theoretized that
we could put multiple gpus in one computer or even use multiple
computers with multiple gpus to draw to one screen for rendering
speedupL99[01:27:36] <Kristopher38> sadly that's not
possible
<Kristopher38> sadly that's not
possibleL100[01:27:44] <Izaya> not how it works,
for better or for worse
L101[01:28:09] <Izaya> the CPU has a
"call budget" and each call eats away at it till you hit
zero
L102[01:28:38] <Kristopher38> yeah, just found it in the
config
<Kristopher38> yeah, just found it in the
configL103[01:30:21] <ThePiGuy24> i might have to make a sneaky
pr to the descent pack and bump it up a little :p
<ThePiGuy24> i might have to make a sneaky
pr to the descent pack and bump it up a little :pL104[01:30:56] <Kristopher38> I respect that this exists
since it's to prevent malicious server lagging
<Kristopher38> I respect that this exists
since it's to prevent malicious server laggingL105[01:31:52] <ThePiGuy24> or it could be too easy to
have a little too much fun
<ThePiGuy24> or it could be too easy to
have a little too much funL106[01:35:51] <Kristopher38> are you using double
buffering tho?
<Kristopher38> are you using double
buffering tho?L107[02:12:09] <Izaya> also, neat, just
read the readme on that colour wars thingo
L108[02:12:15] <Izaya> >
L109[02:12:16] <Izaya> Project is
discontinued until OpenComputers is ported to Minetest or other
open-source alternative to Minecraft. As you know, Minecraft is now
owned by Microsoft. Because Microsoft is a money oriented company
and has a bad reputation like leaking customer information to 3rd
parties (Outlook backdoor) and suggesting misleading content for
computer class programs in highschools (that
L110[02:12:18] <Izaya> should be called MS
Office class, NOT general computer class), I won't create content
for Microsoft and also suggest you to turn to open-source
alternatives.
L111[02:14:11] <Kristopher38> yeah 😒
<Kristopher38> yeah 😒L112[02:16:12] <Izaya> seems reasonable to
me
L113[02:16:21] <Izaya> there was work on
porting OC to Terasology at one point
L114[02:17:52] <Izaya> personally, I think
OC in Minetest is a much more interesting idea than OC in MC
1.13+
L115[02:26:04] <Amanda> Wonder if their
still on GitHub
L116[02:27:13] <Amanda> Also, sadly
minetest doesn't really have a good ui pipeline for something like
oc
L117[02:31:18] <Amanda> there is a
computer mod though, but you need tomake the programs for it as
extension mods, not as files on a virtual hdd
L118[02:32:07] <Amanda> actualy, does
minetest even allow load/eval?
L119[02:32:54] <Izaya> there's a decent
few computer mods for Minetest
L120[02:33:03] <Izaya> vifino and t20kdc
made one a while back, with a ZPU
L121[02:33:08] <Izaya> even had a working
interactive terminal
L122[02:33:13] <Amanda> oh?
L123[02:33:22] <Izaya> the UI system is
pretty ass for stuff like that, though
L124[03:13:20] <Amanda> What's a zpu
again?
L125[03:16:16] <ThePiGuy24> its either a russian
anti-aircraft gun, or a norwegian microprocessor stack
<ThePiGuy24> its either a russian
anti-aircraft gun, or a norwegian microprocessor stackL126[03:16:26] <ThePiGuy24> my guess is the latter
<ThePiGuy24> my guess is the latterL127[03:16:41] <Izaya> really simple
32-bit RISC processor design
L128[03:16:52] <Izaya> designed to be
cheap to implement in FPGAs and similar
L129[03:18:17] <Amanda> I see
L130[03:28:19] <S|h|a|w|n> yay back in the
land of oz
L131[03:49:20] <Amanda> Izaya: happen to
have a link for that?
L132[03:49:31] <Amanda> The minetest mod,
that it
L133[03:50:18] <Izaya> https://github.com/vifino/minetest-computech
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L150[08:40:54] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Xxo6utgNA
L151[08:40:55] <MichiBot> Shirakami
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L157[10:55:58] <Lizzian> %tonk
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L160[10:56:08] <Lizzian> yay
L161[10:58:36] <Izaya> https://img.pawoo.net/media_attachments/files/024/054/826/original/6f513efcb8ee1805.mp4
L162[10:58:43] <Izaya> Forecaster: cat
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L163[10:59:32] <Forecaster> :P
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L167[11:13:39] <DSeeLP> Hi
L168[11:14:22] <Inari> %hello
L169[11:14:22] <MichiBot> Inari: Hello!
Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask
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L170[11:15:34] <DSeeLP> I have a problem
with relays. I use Hwyla and it shows me on the relay "Signal
Strength: 16". How can i increase the Signal Strngth?
L171[11:16:05] <DSeeLP> And the messages
didn't arrive after 16 blocks
L172[11:16:33] <DSeeLP |
DunityGamesNET> Test
<DSeeLP |
DunityGamesNET> TestL173[11:19:33] <Izaya> DSeeLP: tier 1
wireless cards can only communicate over 16 blocks
L174[11:19:38] <Forecaster> you have a tier 1 wireless
card in it I assume
<Forecaster> you have a tier 1 wireless
card in it I assumeL175[11:19:44] *
Izaya has had issues with them not working at all
L176[11:19:51] <Forecaster> it has a range of 16 blocks
by default
<Forecaster> it has a range of 16 blocks
by defaultL177[11:20:08] <Forecaster> the tier 2 wireless card has
a range of 400 blocks by default
<Forecaster> the tier 2 wireless card has
a range of 400 blocks by defaultL178[11:20:45] <Forecaster> these values can be changed
in the opencomputers settings file
<Forecaster> these values can be changed
in the opencomputers settings fileL179[11:23:36] <bauen1> ._. does the
wirelss card tier 1 really only have 16 blocks by default ?
L180[11:23:47] <Izaya> yup
L181[11:23:49] <Izaya> I like it
L182[11:24:07] <bauen1> does oc do some
calculation on it ? (e.g. higher y -> more range)
L183[11:24:22] <Izaya> only for distances
it can't raycast, I believe
L184[11:24:31] <Forecaster> it does not
<Forecaster> it does notL185[11:24:37] <bauen1> because 16 blocks
does sound a bit cruel
L186[11:24:43] <Forecaster> but solid blocks decrease the
signal strength
<Forecaster> but solid blocks decrease the
signal strengthL187[11:24:56] <DSeeLP> i can craft the
relay only with a network card
L188[11:25:08] <Izaya> and, given the
range of T1 cards, I don't foresee it having to guess rather than
raycast
L189[11:25:38] <Izaya> bauen1: I have T1
UCs acting as wireless APs in my base, with T1 wireless cards;
centred, they can cover 3 floors.
L190[11:26:05] <Izaya> I only use them
with drones and uCs and such, but it's easier than cabling most of
the time.
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L195[13:00:07] <S3_> No. It's in another
state so it could be some time
L196[13:00:30] <S3_> And honestly I've
been focusing on making money and saving for a trip out of
country
L197[13:01:02] <S3_> CompanionCube:
^
L198[13:02:09] <S3_> If I end up moving
out of country then I won't be able to take it
L199[13:03:06] <S3_> I'm stripping almost
everything I have right now as it is and I would even more
then
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L204[13:49:39] <Inari> %splash
Amanda
L205[13:49:40] <MichiBot> You fling a
boiling grass potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda feels
the need to use "%shell".
L206[13:49:48] *
Inari flees
L207[13:50:10] <Amanda> %shell Inari's
nii
L208[13:50:10] <MichiBot> Amanda loads
middle-endian x86 into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground
near Inari's nii, Shuudoushi, and progwml6. They take 1d6 =>
4, 1d6 => 2, and 1d6 => 6 splash damage respectively.
L209[14:00:50] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/oX5PdJw
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L212[14:04:22] <Amanda> Inari:I feel like
I've sent this one to you before, but: https://i.imgur.com/rr6ldG7.jpg
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L214[14:18:07] <Inari> Amanda: You
had
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L218[14:54:54] <Forecaster> %splash Inari
<Forecaster> %splash InariL219[14:54:54] <MichiBot> You fling a
fluffy boneboo potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. The ghost of
a plant haunts Inari until the next time they hug someone.
L220[14:55:38] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I need help with a rc
script
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I need help with a rc
scriptL221[14:56:11] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> when running the `rc`
command (when system can init a shell) it runs the script, but it
does not run on system startup
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> when running the `rc`
command (when system can init a shell) it runs the script, but it
does not run on system startupL222[14:56:28] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> the script is
enabled
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> the script is
enabledL223[14:56:33] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> so what am I doing
wrong
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> so what am I doing
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L225[14:58:42] <Forecaster> is this in OpenOS?
<Forecaster> is this in OpenOS?L226[14:58:56] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> Message contained 4 or
more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/naleyokike
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> Message contained 4 or
more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/naleyokikeL227[14:59:01] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> yes, OpenOS
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> yes, OpenOSL228[14:59:05] <Forecaster> %autorun
<Forecaster> %autorunL229[14:59:06] <MichiBot> Forecaster: In
OpenOS, in the file `/home/.shrc` put a single shell command on
each line
L230[14:59:09] <Forecaster> ise that
<Forecaster> ise thatL231[14:59:14] <Forecaster> use that [Edited]
<Forecaster> use that [Edited]L232[14:59:19] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> that only works when the
shell inits
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> that only works when the
shell initsL233[14:59:35] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> this needs to work in a
system with no screen and no gpu
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> this needs to work in a
system with no screen and no gpuL234[14:59:55] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> a system like that does
no init the shell and hence never runs `.shrc`
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> a system like that does
no init the shell and hence never runs `.shrc`L235[15:00:13] <Forecaster> ah, well I have no idea how
rc works
<Forecaster> ah, well I have no idea how
rc worksL236[15:01:09] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I already have
everything set up so the modules run as rc services
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I already have
everything set up so the modules run as rc servicesL237[15:01:23] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> now I only need to make
rc actually run the scripts on boot like it's supposed to do
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> now I only need to make
rc actually run the scripts on boot like it's supposed to doL238[15:01:58] <Forecaster> maybe vexatoast knows how it
works
<Forecaster> maybe vexatoast knows how it
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L242[15:23:08] <Inari> https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/ex59vn/did_i_ask_you_to_stop/
L243[15:25:19] <Inari> Elfi: https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/ex32fu/date_night_for_these_two/
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L246[15:31:17] <Inari> Amanda: sounds like
you :P https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/ex53fs/as_soon_as_i_start_pulling_my_work_out_of_my/
L247[15:45:33] <Brisingr
Aerowing> @SaltyKawaiiNeko There's a file under /etc that lists
things to run on boot. Check if it's there, and add it if it isn't.
I also think you need to enable it first, then start it. Not so
sure on that though.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> @SaltyKawaiiNeko There's a file under /etc that lists
things to run on boot. Check if it's there, and add it if it isn't.
I also think you need to enable it first, then start it. Not so
sure on that though.L248[15:45:49] <Brisingr
Aerowing> Can't remember the file name, and I'm not in game
RN.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> Can't remember the file name, and I'm not in game
RN.L249[15:48:32] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I'll check later
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I'll check laterL250[15:57:39] <ThePiGuy24> interesting, at 30x15 text,
my rotozoom works nearly glitchless
<ThePiGuy24> interesting, at 30x15 text,
my rotozoom works nearly glitchlessL251[16:13:44] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL252[16:13:44] <MichiBot> You drink a
shiny automato potion (New!). The potion contained a computer
virus! It just changed Forecaster's background...
L253[16:13:54] <Forecaster> ohno
<Forecaster> ohnoL254[16:21:19] <Amanda> Inari: your only
job is to provide scritchies! :P
L255[16:25:21] <Forecaster> When you have flashbacks to
your past life as an Egyptian God. https://imgur.com/gallery/xmttgL5
<Forecaster> When you have flashbacks to
your past life as an Egyptian God. https://imgur.com/gallery/xmttgL5L256[16:26:40] <DaComputerNerd> lol
<DaComputerNerd> lolL257[16:27:08] <DaComputerNerd> aw man i forgot to to a
tonkfail before going to bed so I'd be awake when it was
ready
<DaComputerNerd> aw man i forgot to to a
tonkfail before going to bed so I'd be awake when it was
readyL258[16:27:29] <Forecaster> %tonkattempts
<Forecaster> %tonkattemptsL259[16:27:29] <MichiBot> You have 2
attempts left.
L260[16:27:31] <bauen1> nice try
L261[16:27:45] <Forecaster> ?
<Forecaster> ?L264[16:48:10] <Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko if the rc
script throws an exception it might look like it doesn't really
start at boot
<Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko if the rc
script throws an exception it might look like it doesn't really
start at bootL265[16:48:51] <MGR> Ooh
yeah
<MGR> Ooh
yeahL266[16:48:52] <Kristopher38> if it errors* since lua
doesn't have exceptions
<Kristopher38> if it errors* since lua
doesn't have exceptionsL267[16:49:07] <MGR>
Doesn't it log those to /tmp/event.log?
<MGR>
Doesn't it log those to /tmp/event.log?L268[16:49:15] <MGR> Or is
that only event handlers
<MGR> Or is
that only event handlersL269[16:49:21] <Kristopher38> yeah, iirc it does
<Kristopher38> yeah, iirc it doesL270[16:59:09] <Amanda> @Forecaster I
agree, wow, she should be wearing that face mask properly
L271[16:59:35] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> it does not
exception
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> it does not
exceptionL272[16:59:39] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> it does not error
[Edited]
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> it does not error
[Edited]L273[16:59:55] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> remember it works if I
just run `rc` manually
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> remember it works if I
just run `rc` manuallyL274[17:00:15] <Amanda> did you `rc
<job> enable` it?
L275[17:06:23] <Amanda> oh, just saw the
full original message. Not sure,
L276[17:10:55] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/68ad6f350f51362e9c50f2df81efaec30913c452632499875418300b280e0abc.jpg
L277[17:10:58] <Izaya> tfw your mouse is
so fucked you resort to using a steam controller
L278[17:11:28] <Forecaster> <image unrelated>
<Forecaster> <image unrelated>L279[17:11:41] <Izaya> Did I say pic
related?
L280[17:12:10] <Forecaster> did I say you said it?
:P
<Forecaster> did I say you said it?
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L282[17:12:32] <Izaya> you implied it was
expected
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L284[17:15:25] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL285[17:15:25] <MichiBot> You drink a
boiling boneboo potion (New!). Forecaster looks confused as
nothing happens.
L286[17:15:35] <Forecaster> dangit
<Forecaster> dangitL287[17:17:35] <Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko check
/tmp/event.log after booting, or do some debug printing to file, it
can error on startup if some part of the OS hasn't initialized
yet
<Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko check
/tmp/event.log after booting, or do some debug printing to file, it
can error on startup if some part of the OS hasn't initialized
yetL288[17:18:25] <Izaya> I think you can do
io.output("filename") and have your output redirected to
a file
L289[17:19:48] <Kristopher38> rc scripts are run before
the filesystem gets mounted etc.
<Kristopher38> rc scripts are run before
the filesystem gets mounted etc.L290[17:20:06] <Kristopher38> rc scripts are run before
the filesystems gets mounted etc. [Edited]
<Kristopher38> rc scripts are run before
the filesystems gets mounted etc. [Edited]L291[17:20:21] <Kristopher38> except for the main
filesystem
<Kristopher38> except for the main
filesystemL292[17:20:35] <Kristopher38> Message contained 4 or more
newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ititukocux
<Kristopher38> Message contained 4 or more
newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ititukocuxL293[17:20:40] <Kristopher38> that's the boot order
<Kristopher38> that's the boot orderL294[17:23:12] <Kristopher38> so for example if you're
trying to require() a file which is on another filesystem that's
gonna fail at boot unless you specify a path going through
`/mnt/shortuuid/`, but it will work when the system has fully
booted
<Kristopher38> so for example if you're
trying to require() a file which is on another filesystem that's
gonna fail at boot unless you specify a path going through
`/mnt/shortuuid/`, but it will work when the system has fully
bootedL295[17:23:27] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> oh well
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> oh wellL296[17:23:31] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> that does explain
it
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> that does explain
itL297[17:23:57] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> then how do I handle
launching programs that require the OS and filesystem being fully
ready?
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> then how do I handle
launching programs that require the OS and filesystem being fully
ready?L298[17:24:13] <Izaya> rc <service>
start, in your .shrc
L299[17:24:29] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> read again, I won't have
a shell
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> read again, I won't have
a shellL300[17:24:33] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> no gpu and no
screen
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> no gpu and no
screenL301[17:24:36] <Izaya> oh.
L302[17:24:47] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> yes that's the
issue
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> yes that's the
issueL303[17:24:55] <Izaya> Is there space
somewhere in /boot then?
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requiring files from an external filesystem, mounted somewhere
other than /mnt/abc/?
L307[17:25:28] <Forecaster> make the script wait until
these have loaded before they do the thing
<Forecaster> make the script wait until
these have loaded before they do the thingL308[17:25:38] <MGR> /boot
isn't a bad idea tbh
<MGR> /boot
isn't a bad idea tbhL309[17:25:57] <Kristopher38> wiki says /boot is kind of
deprecated tho
<Kristopher38> wiki says /boot is kind of
deprecated thoL310[17:26:07] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> no, requires reference
my libs in `/usr/lib`, mounted in the same disk
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> no, requires reference
my libs in `/usr/lib`, mounted in the same diskL311[17:26:27] <MGR> Since
when has /boot been deprecated?
<MGR> Since
when has /boot been deprecated?L312[17:26:28] <Kristopher38> :GWchadThonkery:
<Kristopher38> :GWchadThonkery:L313[17:26:31] <MGR>
That's news to me
<MGR>
That's news to meL314[17:26:33] <Izaya> That should be fine
then.
L315[17:26:36] <Izaya> In theory.
L316[17:26:42] *
Izaya squints
L317[17:26:49] <Kristopher38> uhh not deprecated, it says
it shouldn't be used
<Kristopher38> uhh not deprecated, it says
it shouldn't be usedL318[17:26:51] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> so basically rc.d is
useless?
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> so basically rc.d is
useless?L319[17:27:03] <Kristopher38> and instead it's
recommended to use rc scripts
<Kristopher38> and instead it's
recommended to use rc scriptsL320[17:27:05] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> its only jobs is to
start services on boot, yet it can't do that
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> its only jobs is to
start services on boot, yet it can't do thatL321[17:27:06] <Izaya> MGR: Now that the
rc system and such is available, it's better to not throw stuff in
system directories, y'know?
L322[17:27:07] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> ?
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> ?L323[17:27:43] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I don't understand why
rc does no defer the service launch so they don't fail because of
the fs not being loaded yet...
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I don't understand why
rc does no defer the service launch so they don't fail because of
the fs not being loaded yet...L324[17:27:57] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I don't understand why
rc does not defer the service launch so they don't fail because of
the fs not being loaded yet... [Edited]
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I don't understand why
rc does not defer the service launch so they don't fail because of
the fs not being loaded yet... [Edited]L325[17:28:13] <Kristopher38> I mean, you could just
modify the boot order
<Kristopher38> I mean, you could just
modify the boot orderL326[17:28:22] <Izaya> So, it's failing
because filesystems aren't mounted?
L327[17:28:28] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I assume
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I assumeL328[17:28:29] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> no idea
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> no ideaL329[17:28:36] <Izaya> Oh, so it may be
unrelated. Nice.
L330[17:28:40] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> it's the only thing that
could explain why it only fails at boot
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> it's the only thing that
could explain why it only fails at bootL331[17:28:42] <MGR> Where
does it talk about /boot?
<MGR> Where
does it talk about /boot?L332[17:29:59] <MGR>
Izaya, I don't see the problem with doing that in OC
<MGR>
Izaya, I don't see the problem with doing that in OCL333[17:30:21] <Izaya> I mean, it works,
but it's messy.
L334[17:30:48] <MGR> I
guess
<MGR> I
guessL335[17:31:19] <Forecaster> %splash @MGR
<Forecaster> %splash @MGRL336[17:31:20] <MichiBot> You fling a
gloopy tuna potion (New!) that splashes onto @MGR. @MGR turns into
a tomato robot dryad boy for 4 hours.
L337[17:31:43] <Izaya> Like, you don't put
things in /bin if you have /usr/bin because /usr/bin is the
designated place for non-system executables
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L340[17:32:28] <Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko if it's
crashing /tmp/event.log will contain the error traceback
<Kristopher38> @SaltyKawaiiNeko if it's
crashing /tmp/event.log will contain the error tracebackL341[17:32:32] <Izaya> (On a real *nix
system, half the time /bin is symlinked to /usr/bin and
/usr/local/bin is where you throw your local stuff)
L342[17:32:33] <Kristopher38> after you boot
<Kristopher38> after you bootL343[17:32:37] <SaltyKawaiiNeko> I cannot check right
now
<SaltyKawaiiNeko> I cannot check right
nowL344[17:32:42] <MGR> I
follow my own extreme legacy experience of when I knew no Linux,
and use /user/programs
<MGR> I
follow my own extreme legacy experience of when I knew no Linux,
and use /user/programsL345[17:32:48] <MGR> But I
don't advise that
<MGR> But I
don't advise thatL346[17:33:01] <Izaya> well that
completely ignores all standards
L347[17:33:03] <Izaya> I'm impressed
L348[17:33:06] <MGR>
Yes
<MGR>
YesL349[17:33:09] <Elfi> I just shove stuff
in ~/.local/bin half the time
L350[17:33:09] <Forecaster> practice what you
preach
<Forecaster> practice what you
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L352[17:33:12] <MGR>
That's why I don't advise it
<MGR>
That's why I don't advise itL353[17:33:13] <Elfi> But that's at least
more portable
L354[17:33:35] <MGR> I
also don't use it on a real Linux system
<MGR> I
also don't use it on a real Linux systemL355[17:33:38] <Izaya> Elfi: that's for
user-level applications rather than stuff you've compiled for the
whole system from source, but I agree
L356[17:33:49] <Elfi> Well yeah
L357[17:54:04] <Amanda> I've taken to just
making a nix expression for most of the programs I use regularly,
and `nix-env -i`'ing the resulting nix store path
L358[17:54:28] <Amanda> I've got one for
ocvm, one for my ebook maker. Shitty experiments go in ~/bin
though
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L360[18:33:21] <Kleadron> hello denezians
of the universe
L361[18:33:49] <Bob>
b
<Bob>
bL362[18:34:19] <Kleadron> n
L363[18:36:39] <Forecaster> excuse you I exist in my own
universe
<Forecaster> excuse you I exist in my own
universeL364[18:37:00] <Mimiru> I reject your
universe, and substitute my own
L365[18:39:21] <Ariri>
where the color purple does not exist
<Ariri>
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L371[18:56:14] <Ocawesome101> Is there a way to make ocvm
run at an OC-like speed? It seems to run several times faster by
default
<Ocawesome101> Is there a way to make ocvm
run at an OC-like speed? It seems to run several times faster by
defaultL372[18:57:41] <Amanda> @Ocawesome101 not
by default. It's on payonel's plans though, I think. He wasn't
happy about me just throwing the equivilent of an os.sleep into t's
main loop, anyway. :P
L373[18:58:07] <Ocawesome101> Hehehe ok
<Ocawesome101> Hehehe okL374[19:00:25] <Elfi> I wonder if a call
counter would helpo
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L376[19:29:37] <Amanda> %8ball be
responsible and wait?
L377[19:29:37] <MichiBot> Amanda: Reply
hazy, try again
L378[19:29:40] <Amanda> %8ball be
responsible and wait?
L379[19:29:40] <MichiBot> Amanda: [ The
Bowling ball doesn't answer ]
L380[19:30:17] <Amanda> Elfi~ Halp,
MichiBot's not giving me financial advice.
L381[19:31:50] *
Elfi writes "yes" on the bowling ball with pixie
dust
L382[19:31:59] <Amanda> awww
L383[19:32:06] *
Amanda snugsafairy
L384[19:33:13] *
Amanda wants to buy a usb armory mk2, but shouldn't spend money
incase she needs to chip in during the next week, since her dad'll
be laid up from a minor surgery done yesterday
L385[19:33:53] *
Elfi squeaks, hugs back =u=
L386[19:35:07] <Amanda> How're you doing
today, Elfi?
L387[19:35:18] <Elfi> Doing good. Getting
some cleaning done
L388[19:40:54] <Forecaster> usb armory?
<Forecaster> usb armory?L389[19:46:49] <Forecaster> oh
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L393[20:25:34] <Amanda> @Forecaster in
case you didn't find it: https://www.crowdsupply.com/f-secure/usb-armory-mk-ii
L394[20:25:56] <Forecaster> it's the first
result...
<Forecaster> it's the first
result...L395[20:26:15] <Amanda> justm aking sure.
:P
L396[20:28:06] <Amanda> %8ball early rain
box?
L397[20:28:06] <MichiBot> Amanda: Without
a doubt
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