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L1[00:08:46] <The_Stargazer> rip
L2[00:08:49] <The_Stargazer> what happened to them?
L3[00:08:53] <The_Stargazer> out of power?
L4[00:08:58] <The_Stargazer> or EEPROM issue?
L5[00:17:31] <DEMONITIZED BOI> eeprom
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L7[00:20:02] <The_Stargazer> what happened to it?
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L9[00:27:16] <The_Stargazer> How do I print all received modem messages that match the criteria in my `if` statement?
L10[00:30:49] <The_Stargazer> My current code doesn't do anything (probably because I had an extra variable in there by accident.. oops!)
L11[00:30:54] <The_Stargazer> will test without that stray variable
L12[00:37:20] <The_Stargazer> ...still nope
L13[00:42:15] <The_Stargazer> okay
L14[00:42:51] <The_Stargazer> how do I get the port, sender, and two messages from `event.listen("modem_message", onReceive)`
L15[00:43:28] <Izaya> onReceive will get the signal data as arguments
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L18[00:45:05] <DEMONITIZED_BOI> potatos
L19[00:45:11] <DEMONITIZED BOI> o
L20[00:45:51] <The_Stargazer> ah
L21[00:46:06] <The_Stargazer> i have it set to do that
L22[00:46:14] <Izaya> I wonder if I can make an Antique Atlas work in the Twilight Forest
L23[00:46:15] <The_Stargazer> but it's still not sending messages to all clients :/
L24[00:46:52] <The_Stargazer> when client A sends message to server A it's supposed to send message to clients B and C
L25[00:47:08] <The_Stargazer> right now, client B isn't receiving what client A sends
L26[00:48:15] <The_Stargazer> also, how to fill one line of the screen with a single character?
L27[01:06:26] <Zef> gpu.fill?
L28[01:09:42] <fingercomp> or `gpu.set`, which is faster
L29[01:12:03] <Zef> That sets a single character though, doesn't it?
L30[01:12:57] <Zef> Oh wait it can print a string
L31[01:13:03] <fingercomp> it sets a line of characters
L32[01:13:13] <fingercomp> the line can be either horizontal or vertical
L33[01:13:24] <Zef> However then you'd have to do a bit of extra stuff to give it a line of characters the width of the screen
L34[01:13:55] <fingercomp> `gpu.set(x, y, char:rep(width))`
L35[01:14:11] <Izaya> just do rep(200)
L36[01:14:16] <Izaya> overflow is discarded
L37[01:17:51] <Zef> Oh my god there's a repeat function
L38[01:18:07] <Zef> That would make things so much easier
L39[01:18:51] <The_Stargazer> is 0,0 x,y the top-left corner?
L40[01:19:31] <fingercomp> it's 1, 1
L41[01:19:35] <The_Stargazer> ah
L42[01:19:53] <Zef> Lua starts at 1
L43[01:22:28] <The_Stargazer> How do I print messages without changing the cursor position?
L44[01:23:32] <Zef> Gpu.set
L45[01:23:56] <The_Stargazer> how do I do that with gpu.set (a function I've never used)?
L46[01:24:14] <The_Stargazer> developing a chat program is much easier said than done
L47[01:24:42] <The_Stargazer> payonel: does OCEmu support the data card?
L48[01:24:43] <Izaya> io.write("\27[s\27[x;yHMessage\27[u")
L49[01:25:24] <Izaya> Look into the term API's "window" stuff
L50[01:25:58] <Izaya> https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-misc/src/branch/master/minitel-chat/chat.lua
L51[01:26:06] <The_Stargazer> okay so basically I want my program to look like the builtin IRC program except it uses a different protocol, I should probably look at that program's code
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L53[01:29:21] <The_Stargazer> thinking of making a p2p (linked card) file sharing program
L54[01:29:28] <Void> Does anyone have any video tutorials for Computronics cassettes?
L55[01:29:41] <The_Stargazer> No, but I can give you a text tutorial
L56[01:30:08] <The_Stargazer> Put the tape in the drive -> Run `tape write /path/to/dfpwm/file.dfpwm` -> Run `tape play` -> Listen
L57[01:30:30] <The_Stargazer> You'll need LionRay and a program to convert your songs to WAVs
L58[01:31:12] <Void> Already have the dfpwm. How do I get MC to detect it? Preferably on a server?
L59[01:31:30] <The_Stargazer> Is it in your OC drive?
L60[01:32:13] <Void> The cassette is in a tape drive connected to an advanced computer
L61[01:32:26] <Izaya> advanced?
L62[01:32:30] <Izaya> I presume you mean tier 2 or 3
L63[01:32:57] <Void> Er.. sorry I’m on FTB Ult Reloaded
L64[01:33:08] <Void> CC: Tweaked is on here
L65[01:33:14] <Izaya> o-oh
L66[01:33:22] <Izaya> forgot CC existed for a minute there, sorry
L67[01:33:28] <Void> Lol it’s ok
L68[01:33:53] <Void> #cc was some other thing I didn’t recognize so I came here
L69[01:33:54] <Izaya> with OC it's easy enough to do stuff with the tape drive but I have no idea what the support is like from CC
L70[01:34:03] <Izaya> #computercraft is the CC channel
L71[01:34:20] <Void> Ah ok
L72[01:35:30] <Void> It seems they have some kind of integration. Turtles support Computronics items
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L76[01:43:41] <Inari> .
L77[01:44:57] <Inari> AmandaC: hehe
L78[01:47:17] <Void> Wh
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L86[04:17:00] <Kodos> %tonkout
L87[04:17:01] <MichiBot> Sard! Kodos! You beat CompanionCube's previous record of 5 hours, 8 minutes and 21 seconds (By 10 minutes and 50 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L88[04:17:02] <MichiBot> Kodos has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.70115
L89[04:41:49] <The_Stargazer> payonel: can you link two OCVM emulators together?
L90[04:42:42] <Bob> network ?
L91[04:43:11] <The_Stargazer> yeah, like linked cards
L92[04:43:28] <The_Stargazer> and can you add components to it?
L93[04:43:43] <Bob> i dont know about that
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L95[04:53:14] <The_Stargazer> does 1.7.10 use less RAM than 1.12.2?
L96[04:53:21] <The_Stargazer> I would assume so
L97[04:54:31] <Bob> Try it
L98[04:54:39] <Bob> 1.12.2 requires FoamFix
L99[04:54:47] <The_Stargazer> foamfix?
L100[04:54:56] <Bob> +1.8 memory fix
L101[04:55:03] <The_Stargazer> huh
L102[04:55:06] <The_Stargazer> never heard of it
L103[04:55:08] <The_Stargazer> what's it do?
L104[04:55:33] <Bob> Makes so the game uses less RAM
L105[04:55:40] <Bob> Look at the curseforge page
L106[04:55:43] <Bob> explains it
L107[04:56:09] <Izaya> this is counter-intuitive
L108[04:56:26] <Izaya> my mordhau ability scales with blood alcohol content
L109[04:57:09] <The_Stargazer> so wait
L110[04:57:13] <The_Stargazer> the more booze you drink
L111[04:57:16] <The_Stargazer> the better you play?
L112[04:57:22] <The_Stargazer> am I understanding this rigt
L113[04:57:27] <The_Stargazer> am I understanding this right [Edited]
L114[04:58:01] <Izaya> correct
L115[04:58:28] <Bob> i don't see anything wrong
L116[04:58:38] <Bob> alcohol gives superpowers
L117[04:59:25] <Bob> @The_Stargazer for me 1.12.2 is unplayeable until i slap Optifine, FoamFix and some other FOSS mods, without i get 3fps with i get decent 60-50
L118[04:59:58] <Bob> VanillaFix is good aswell
L119[05:00:04] <Bob> especially for crash interception
L120[05:00:08] <Bob> so your game doesnt close
L121[05:01:31] <Bob> RandomPatches fixes bugs for mojang and so on, Phosphor is also cool for worldgen
L122[05:01:53] <The_Stargazer> so wait
L123[05:01:55] <The_Stargazer> with vanillafix
L124[05:02:00] <The_Stargazer> if a java exception occurs
L125[05:02:06] <The_Stargazer> will it still crash normally?
L126[05:02:24] <The_Stargazer> normally what happens is Java runs out of RAM
L127[05:05:19] <Bob> @The_Stargazer If a crash happends, its intercepted and stopped so you just return to menu or game even continues, if its something very severe like out of Memory then yea it cant stop that
L128[05:05:28] <Bob> but it can save some time really
L129[05:05:33] <Bob> and fixes additional bugs
L130[05:05:41] <The_Stargazer> `there is not enough memory for the java runtime environment to continue`
L131[05:05:49] <The_Stargazer> `the page file is too small to perform this operation`
L132[05:06:33] <The_Stargazer> also: the page for FoamFix suggests using BetterFPS as well if the CPU has low L2/L3 cache - what's that?
L133[05:06:48] <The_Stargazer> I don't think this CPU *has* any L3 cache, none shows up in task manager
L134[05:06:54] <The_Stargazer> 112KB L1, 2MB L2
L135[05:09:50] <Bob> BetterFPS frecks my game too much so i removed it
L136[05:09:58] <Bob> i use JVM args aside
L137[05:10:19] <The_Stargazer> which ones?
L138[05:10:41] <The_Stargazer> I have (alongside standard) `-Xmx3G -Xmn1G`
L139[05:10:42] <Bob> A lot i filorgot
L140[05:10:51] <The_Stargazer> what's `-Xms` do?
L141[05:10:53] <Bob> A lot i forgot [Edited]
L142[05:10:58] <Bob> Minimal memory
L143[05:11:05] <Bob> allocated to the VM
L144[05:11:13] <The_Stargazer> should I set it?
L145[05:11:30] <The_Stargazer> also, I thought `-Xmn` was min RAM?
L146[05:12:28] <Bob> I do not speak Java so i might be wrong
L147[05:13:02] <The_Stargazer> neither do I haha
L148[05:13:09] <The_Stargazer> although I have a friend who does, I'll ask him
L149[05:13:12] <Izaya> -Xms
L150[05:14:02] <The_Stargazer> jesus christ steam is slow
L151[05:14:04] <Corded> * <Forecaster> wonders if people have heard of this thing called google
L152[05:14:14] <The_Stargazer> it's been allocating disk space for the past hour
L153[05:14:26] <Bob> Also Borderlands Bundle for 5€, was 235€
L154[05:14:37] <Bob> Gotta play BL2 and Presequel tm
L155[05:15:30] <The_Stargazer> I already bought all the games I wanted last steam sale, so there's nothing much for me to buy
L156[05:21:59] <The_Stargazer> Does FoamFix work during the startup phase of the game (before main menu)?
L157[05:25:32] <The_Stargazer> windows explorer is using more RAM than firefox
L158[05:25:33] <The_Stargazer> what
L159[05:25:56] <Bob> I dont know such things
L160[05:26:09] <Bob> When it loads, it loads as a core mod so it might but i have no idea
L161[05:40:51] <The_Stargazer> in this place we speak lua not java haha
L162[05:41:59] <Izaya> >Oh no, I'm running out of space, better enable compression!
L163[05:42:10] <Izaya> >/dev/mapper/home on /home type btrfs (rw,relatime,compress=lzo,space_cache,subvolid=621,subvol=/home)
L164[05:43:06] <The_Stargazer> for me it's more like
L165[05:43:06] <The_Stargazer> >Oh no I'm out of space!
L166[05:43:06] <The_Stargazer> [windows explorer proceeds to crash repeatedly]
L167[05:43:28] * Izaya gives The_Stargazer compress.exe (and a copy of debian)
L168[05:43:50] <Izaya> or is it compact.exe
L169[05:43:52] <Izaya> fuck knows
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L171[05:46:25] <Forecaster> yay I'm a "Serf" in the Empire. http://tinyurl.com/y3qt7q7n
L172[05:46:46] <Forecaster> but more importantly, only 37% left from Rear Admiral in the Federation
L173[05:46:50] <The_Stargazer> my drive is already compressed
L174[05:48:21] <The_Stargazer> what game is that?
L175[05:48:42] <Izaya> Forecaster: doing some serfing, eh?
L176[05:49:20] <The_Stargazer> wonder if in 2050 we'll be able to use RAM from other computers
L177[05:49:26] <The_Stargazer> like a sort of shared RAM thing
L178[05:49:33] <Izaya> you could do that in 2008
L179[05:49:35] <Izaya> t. did that in 2008
L180[05:49:46] <The_Stargazer> who's t.?
L181[05:50:01] <Izaya> s/t./I /
L182[05:50:02] <MichiBot> <The_Stargazer> who's I ?
L183[05:50:06] <Izaya> fuckin close enough
L184[05:50:12] <The_Stargazer> haha
L185[05:50:23] <The_Stargazer> sentence doesn't make sense tho :)
L186[05:50:42] <Izaya> anyway yeah, export tmpfs over NFS, then mount the NFS share, make a swapfile on the NFS mount, use that as swap
L187[05:51:00] <The_Stargazer> none of that made sense
L188[05:51:03] <The_Stargazer> what's NFS
L189[05:51:11] <Izaya> Network File System
L190[05:51:20] <Izaya> have you never used a computer network
L191[05:51:21] <The_Stargazer> and doesn't linux have a special partition type for swap
L192[05:51:28] <Izaya> "yes"
L193[05:51:30] <The_Stargazer> iirc 82 or 83, one of them
L194[05:51:33] <Izaya> but you can just use a file
L195[05:51:40] <Izaya> because partitions are just files
L196[05:51:45] <The_Stargazer> everything
L197[05:51:46] <The_Stargazer> is a file
L198[05:51:49] <Izaya> correct
L199[05:51:59] <Izaya> so swap operates on files, not partitions
L200[05:52:03] <Izaya> partitions are a subset of files
L201[05:52:06] <The_Stargazer> maybe humans are just files in a massive Unix network
L202[05:52:10] <The_Stargazer> /dev/hum1435
L203[05:52:30] <The_Stargazer> maybe the universe is a file in a Unix network ?
L204[05:52:48] <Izaya> unix is not pure enough to be what the universe runs on
L205[05:53:01] <Izaya> it's either a lisp machine or some sort of haskell supermachine
L206[05:53:02] <The_Stargazer> what is?
L207[05:53:03] <Izaya> maybe it's urbit
L208[05:53:13] <Izaya> cc tA who isn't here anyway
L209[05:53:22] <The_Stargazer> i've heard of lisp and haskell from xkcd but what's urbit
L210[05:54:13] <Izaya> I don't know enough about it to describe it
L211[05:54:20] <Izaya> I just have a friend that never shuts up about it
L212[05:54:20] <The_Stargazer> that reminds me: download more xkcd
L213[05:55:13] <The_Stargazer> ...
L214[05:55:17] <The_Stargazer> steam are you shitting me
L215[05:55:30] <The_Stargazer> you stopped the allocation of disk space (which takes forever)
L216[05:55:38] <The_Stargazer> and now I have to do it all over again
L217[05:56:02] <The_Stargazer> welp
L218[05:56:13] <The_Stargazer> the uptime for this laptop is going to exceed a day
L219[05:56:40] <The_Stargazer> i can guarantee that now
L220[05:56:52] <Izaya> rookie numbers
L221[05:57:08] <Izaya> 06:57:02 up 196 days, 22:51, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.01
L222[05:57:17] <The_Stargazer> goddamn
L223[05:57:20] <The_Stargazer> that's like
L224[05:57:22] <The_Stargazer> half a year
L225[05:57:28] <Izaya> I've had one over a year at one point
L226[05:57:34] <Izaya> It didn't come back up when I rebooted it.
L227[05:57:53] <The_Stargazer> it died?
L228[05:57:58] <Izaya> yeah uh
L229[05:58:04] <Izaya> arch without a full -Syu for a year
L230[05:58:06] <Izaya> not good for it
L231[05:58:21] <The_Stargazer> remind me: what's -Syu
L232[05:58:27] <The_Stargazer> I know -S is sync
L233[05:58:52] <Izaya> pacman -Syu updates the package lists and updates all packages
L234[05:59:17] <The_Stargazer> why didn't it come back up?
L235[05:59:33] <Izaya> don't remember
L236[05:59:35] <Izaya> installed OpenBSD
L237[06:30:19] <The_Stargazer> can you pipe output from `wget` into `sh` in OC?
L238[06:33:31] <Inari> probably
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L243[06:52:09] <Z0idburg> hello
L244[06:52:56] <The_Stargazer> hi
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L247[07:07:13] <The_Stargazer> >6 hours
L248[07:07:16] <The_Stargazer> it's gonna be a long night
L249[07:10:33] <Forecaster> 6 hours of what
L250[07:10:46] <The_Stargazer> 5 hours of Steam downloading
L251[07:10:50] <The_Stargazer> 5 - 6
L252[07:16:34] <The_Stargazer> at less than 1MB/s
L253[07:17:47] <Izaya> you say that like it's a small amount
L254[07:19:42] <The_Stargazer> you've experienced less?
L255[07:20:58] <Izaya> that's fast for aus friendo
L256[07:21:22] <The_Stargazer> what speeds do you normally get?
L257[07:21:41] <The_Stargazer> i always thought australia was worse than nz
L258[07:22:17] <Izaya> well, I'm lucky in that I'm about 300m from the nearest exchange so I have good signal to the DSLAM
L259[07:22:54] <The_Stargazer> the dwhat
L260[07:23:03] <Izaya> ie I could probably get 100Mbps - 10MB/s - in theory
L261[07:23:21] <The_Stargazer> what's a dslam
L262[07:23:22] <Izaya> but I'm on 50Mbps so that's great
L263[07:24:02] <The_Stargazer> mb/s is mbps / 8 isn't it?
L264[07:24:05] <Izaya> where I was previously I was on ADSL1 which has a peak maximum speed of, IIRC, 1.2MB/s, if you're on top of the DSLAM. But we weren't, we were about 50km away, so we got speeds approaching 56kbps
L265[07:24:31] <Inari> @The_Stargazer, no "p" means "per" so the same as "/"
L266[07:24:37] <The_Stargazer> the heck is a DSLAM
L267[07:24:48] <Izaya> no, Mbps and MB/s are different measurements
L268[07:24:55] <Izaya> well, mbps and MB/s
L269[07:24:56] <The_Stargazer> ^
L270[07:25:00] <Inari> Yes
L271[07:25:01] <The_Stargazer> exactly
L272[07:25:05] <Inari> but mbps and mb/s are the same
L273[07:25:05] <Inari> :p
L274[07:25:10] <The_Stargazer> uh
L275[07:25:12] <The_Stargazer> no
L276[07:25:27] <Izaya> Digital Subscriber Line Access ... something
L277[07:25:30] <The_Stargazer> in what world are megabits/sec and megabytes/sec the same
L278[07:25:35] <Inari> Mb is a Megabit
L279[07:25:39] <Inari> MB is a megabyte
L280[07:25:46] <Inari> Capitalizaion matters
L281[07:25:48] <Izaya> it's the ADSL modem basically, on the ISP side
L282[07:25:53] <The_Stargazer> Indeed
L283[07:26:01] <Inari> so mbps and mb/s are the same
L284[07:26:03] <Inari> Same capitalization
L285[07:26:12] <The_Stargazer> okay
L286[07:26:15] <The_Stargazer> when I say mbps
L287[07:26:17] <The_Stargazer> I mean Mbps
L288[07:26:22] <Inari> Cool
L289[07:26:25] <Inari> When I say m, I mean km
L290[07:26:27] <The_Stargazer> and when I say mb/s I mean MB/s
L291[07:26:34] <The_Stargazer> i'm lazy okay
L292[07:26:40] <Inari> Stop being lazy
L293[07:26:41] <The_Stargazer> %lua return 50 / 8
L294[07:26:41] <MichiBot> 6.25
L295[07:26:55] <The_Stargazer> I believe that is the formula for converting Mbps to MB/s
L296[07:27:12] <The_Stargazer> divide it by eight
L297[07:27:25] <Izaya> they are not necessarily related
L298[07:27:39] <The_Stargazer> well, eight bits is a byte
L299[07:27:50] <The_Stargazer> so eight megabits = ....one megabyte?
L300[07:27:55] <Izaya> sure, but on a line with 8N1 parity, you need 9 bits to transmit one byte
L301[07:28:00] <Inari> Yes
L302[07:28:05] <The_Stargazer> 8N1?
L303[07:28:18] <The_Stargazer> wait, why do you need nine bits?
L304[07:28:20] <Izaya> 8 bits per byte, no start bit, one parity bit
L305[07:28:41] <The_Stargazer> parity is like error checking isn't it
L306[07:28:47] <Izaya> yeah
L307[07:28:59] <The_Stargazer> so what's the parity bit for?
L308[07:29:05] <The_Stargazer> checking if the message is OK?
L309[07:29:07] <Izaya> error checking
L310[07:29:34] <The_Stargazer> if the parity bit is unset, does that mean the check failed?
L311[07:29:51] <The_Stargazer> iirc some RAID levels use parity
L312[07:30:00] <Izaya> the parity is calculated from the contents of the byte
L313[07:30:09] <Izaya> if it doesn't match the calculation, there's an error
L314[07:30:51] <The_Stargazer> there are 10 types of people
L315[07:30:52] <The_Stargazer> those who understand how bits and binary work and those who don't
L316[07:31:02] <Bob> parity bit is to veryfy the previous bits
L317[07:31:04] <Inari> And those who didn't expect the joke to be in base 3
L318[07:31:16] <The_Stargazer> haha
L319[07:31:36] <The_Stargazer> i can never remember which base is what
L320[07:31:47] <Inari> I mean
L321[07:31:52] <The_Stargazer> i know base 10 is decimal
L322[07:31:57] <Inari> ah, that
L323[07:31:57] <Inari> :p
L324[07:32:01] <The_Stargazer> and base 16 is hex, base 36 is hexatrigesimal
L325[07:32:09] <The_Stargazer> okay I know some bases
L326[07:32:14] <Inari> Learn counting :p
L327[07:32:29] <Bob> base 2 binary
L328[07:32:32] <Bob> base 3 trinary
L329[07:32:41] <The_Stargazer> trinary?
L330[07:32:43] <Izaya> I wanna try a 36-bit machine one day
L331[07:32:47] <The_Stargazer> is that like
L332[07:32:49] <Inari> Which is kinda odd
L333[07:32:51] <The_Stargazer> 0 1 2
L334[07:33:01] <Inari> Because if you follow the pattern, 2 should be di-
L335[07:33:17] <Inari> Yes
L336[07:33:27] <Inari> Base 3 maens theres 3 numbers, if you start from 0: 0 1 2
L337[07:34:14] <The_Stargazer> so base 10
L338[07:34:15] <The_Stargazer> 0123456789
L339[07:34:17] <The_Stargazer> it all makes sense!
L340[07:34:18] <Inari> Yes
L341[07:34:29] <The_Stargazer> if i talk slow it means my internet is saying no
L342[07:34:48] <Inari> Computer says no
L343[07:34:54] <The_Stargazer> ^
L344[07:35:04] <Forecaster> %tonk
L345[07:35:05] <MichiBot> Consarn it! Forecaster! You beat Kodos's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 18 minutes and 4 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L346[07:35:06] <The_Stargazer> Computer says screw you
L347[07:35:06] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 18 minutes and 4 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.0033 tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L348[07:35:15] <Forecaster> %sip random
L349[07:35:16] <MichiBot> You drink a runny bombastium potion (New!). Forecaster feels slightly slower.
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L351[07:35:46] <The_Stargazer> -1 to RAM
L352[07:36:01] <Inari> %drink random
L353[07:36:01] <MichiBot> You drink a shimmering rock potion (New!). Inari feels a strong urge to recycle the potion bottle.
L354[07:36:14] <The_Stargazer> `Player 'Forecaster' lost one RAM stick!`
L355[07:36:19] * Inari fills it with AmandaC's poo
L356[07:36:43] <Trainfan91> Does Any1 here port openos programs to mineos?
L357[07:36:57] <Bob> it runs on OpenOS
L358[07:37:01] <Bob> so it is compatible
L359[07:37:01] <The_Stargazer> aren't they like
L360[07:37:03] <Bob> why mineos aswell
L361[07:37:06] <Bob> horrible
L362[07:37:10] <Trainfan91> gui
L363[07:37:20] <CompanionCube> dammit Forecaster
L364[07:37:29] <Trainfan91> i like gui's
L365[07:37:42] <Inari> So make one
L366[07:37:42] <Inari> :3
L367[07:37:56] <Trainfan91> don't know how...
L368[07:38:11] <Bob> OpenOS gui programs use the GPU component
L369[07:38:21] <Bob> i doubt alot of poeple use MineOS graphical Lib
L370[07:38:22] <Bob> its too heavy
L371[07:38:23] <The_Stargazer> if you don't know
L372[07:38:27] <The_Stargazer> learn
L373[07:38:49] <The_Stargazer> making programs is a fun learning experience
L374[07:38:59] <Trainfan91> not for me
L375[07:39:01] <The_Stargazer> I didn't know how to do drones and microcontrollers, and now I do
L376[07:39:13] <Trainfan91> define "FUN"
L377[07:39:37] <The_Stargazer> An emotional release, which has a good outcome.
L378[07:39:45] <The_Stargazer> Sometimes involved with the release of seratonin.
L379[07:39:52] <Inari> FUN ^ 10 x int ^ 40 = ir2
L380[07:39:55] <The_Stargazer> (I have no idea what I'm saying)
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L382[07:40:23] <Trainfan91> #blame inari
L383[07:40:45] <Trainfan91> %blame inari
L384[07:40:46] * MichiBot blames inari for the existence of trolls
L385[07:40:48] <The_Stargazer> what's there to blame on Inari?
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L387[07:41:28] <The_Stargazer> IIRC the whole point of OC is to build and design your own programs
L388[07:41:53] <Trainfan91> %blame MichiBot
L389[07:41:53] * MichiBot blames herself for bridge fees
L390[07:42:04] <Trainfan91> lol
L391[07:42:13] <The_Stargazer> Huh. MichiBot has a handler for that. Neat.
L392[07:42:23] <Inari> Thus FUN = sqrt_10((ir2)/(int^40))
L393[07:42:43] <Inari> WAit
L394[07:42:58] <Inari> Yeah, that should fit
L395[07:43:26] * Inari hides the potion bottle
L396[07:44:45] <Trainfan91> i like mineos because it FEELS so similar to a modern os
L397[07:44:59] <Bob> why you need an modern OS in MC
L398[07:45:02] <Trainfan91> well, minus the speed
L399[07:45:11] <Bob> no speed
L400[07:45:26] <Trainfan91> because it's easier to use
L401[07:45:52] <Bob> x : doubt
L402[07:46:07] <Trainfan91> tell me honestly win10 isn't easier to use than dos
L403[07:46:26] <The_Stargazer> (is he comparing OpenOS to DOS)
L404[07:46:32] <Bob> WINDOWS BUEHUEHUE
L405[07:46:35] <Bob> sorry
L406[07:46:40] <The_Stargazer> ^
L407[07:47:05] <Trainfan91> ok, osx to apple 2
L408[07:47:16] <Trainfan91> which is easier?
L409[07:47:24] <Izaya> depends what you want to do
L410[07:47:28] <The_Stargazer> Is it OK if you like Linux *and* Windows
L411[07:47:31] <Izaya> it's easier to write BASIC on an Apple ][
L412[07:47:37] <The_Stargazer> >apple
L413[07:47:43] <The_Stargazer> neither
L414[07:47:46] <Izaya> it's easier to talk to the hardware directly on an Apple ][
L415[07:47:49] <The_Stargazer> because it's apple
L416[07:48:22] <The_Stargazer> Ease of use is relative
L417[07:48:56] <Bob> Termux on My phone
L418[07:48:58] <Bob> donhe
L419[07:49:11] <Trainfan91> fair point, but i still want to port a MIDI player to mineos
L420[07:50:02] <Trainfan91> %pet MichiBot
L421[07:51:06] <Trainfan91> how to i pet michibot again?
L422[07:51:34] <Trainfan91> %tonk
L423[07:51:34] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Trainfan91, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 3 hours, 18 minutes and 4 seconds this time. 16 minutes and 29 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 1 minute and 35 seconds!
L424[07:51:45] <Trainfan91> srry
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L426[07:52:06] <Forecaster> MichiBot can't pet herself
L427[07:52:28] <Trainfan91> %pet
L428[07:53:01] <Trainfan91> %pet Corded
L429[07:53:02] * MichiBot brushes Corded with Bruttosozialprodukt. 5 health gained!
L430[07:53:17] <Trainfan91> ok, lol
L431[07:53:48] <Trainfan91> %pet Trainfan91
L432[07:53:49] <MichiBot> Trainfan91: Don't pet yourself in public.
L433[07:54:09] <Trainfan91> i LITERALLY LOL'D
L434[07:55:11] <Trainfan91> BRUH...
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L436[07:56:41] <The_Stargazer> Well then/
L437[07:56:43] <The_Stargazer> s//.
L438[07:56:49] <The_Stargazer> Well then. [Edited]
L439[08:00:05] <The_Stargazer> let's just pretend that never happened
L440[08:01:34] <AmandaC> Inari: do THAT'S what you've been doing with all the stolen poops
L441[08:01:41] <AmandaC> So*
L442[08:15:58] <Inari> ffs Minecraft
L443[08:16:23] <Inari> I go on a stupid expedition to make a nether bridge but no, of course theres this stupid mechanic of "close" nether portals ending up in the same
L444[08:16:38] <Inari> AmandaC: of course
L445[08:20:12] <ben_mkiv> https://i.imgur.com/KZV3ueM.png openglasses2 got thermalvision :P
L446[08:21:29] <AmandaC> ben_mkiv: but does lava appear as a great source?
L447[08:21:36] <AmandaC> Heat*
L448[08:21:38] <ben_mkiv> no, just entities for now
L449[08:21:55] <AmandaC> Or other hot liquids
L450[08:22:19] <ben_mkiv> i was thinking about adding support for fire and such, but couldnt come up with a performant solution yet
L451[08:22:55] <AmandaC> There's a field in the liquid dictionary for temperature
L452[08:23:07] <ben_mkiv> and for entities it was quite "easy" to cheat into the entityglowing renderer which renders them through walls
L453[08:23:36] <ben_mkiv> wouldnt be that easy for blocks
L454[08:24:48] <ben_mkiv> but compared to ActuallyAdditions Infrared Goggles... https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/ftb_gamepedia/c/cb/Engineer%27s_Infrared_Goggles.png
L455[08:24:56] <Forecaster> just spawn slimes for each block, would probably work great!
L456[08:30:45] <The_Stargazer> how do you have multiple components of the same type connected, and use both?
L457[08:30:59] <Forecaster> component.proxy
L458[08:31:02] <ben_mkiv> didnt i tell you like 24h ago?
L459[08:31:07] <The_Stargazer> oh yea
L460[08:31:19] <The_Stargazer> and how do you check if there *are* multiple components?
L461[08:31:32] <ben_mkiv> https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/opensecurity?comment=60
L462[08:31:49] <Forecaster> loop through and check for duplicate names I guess
L463[08:31:52] <ben_mkiv> look at that comment and replace os_doorcontroller by your components name
L464[08:31:59] <The_Stargazer> will do
L465[08:32:17] <The_Stargazer> funny thing is I'm asking this because I'm making a program for opensecurity haha
L466[08:32:19] <ben_mkiv> #component.list("redstone") > 1
L467[08:32:27] <Bob> component.proxy(addres).method()
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L469[08:32:31] <ben_mkiv> that tells you if theres more than one
L470[08:32:50] <The_Stargazer> thank
L471[08:32:55] <The_Stargazer> thanks [Edited]
L472[08:33:09] <Bob> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/imexecezak
L473[08:35:13] <The_Stargazer> seems to always return 0\
L474[08:35:15] <The_Stargazer> seems to always return 0 [Edited]
L475[08:35:29] <The_Stargazer> http://tinyurl.com/y2wljr9b
L476[08:35:56] <ben_mkiv> !seen marcin212
L477[08:36:00] <ben_mkiv> %seen marcin212
L478[08:36:00] <MichiBot> marcin212 was last seen 208d 12h 16m 42s ago. Quitting
L479[08:37:20] <Bob> @The_Stargazer because its not an arraw
L480[08:37:22] <Bob> array*
L481[08:37:29] <Bob> its a table with non numerical keys
L482[08:37:46] <The_Stargazer> How do I get the length of it then?
L483[08:38:06] <Forecaster> by doing what ben told you
L484[08:38:27] <Bob> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/gitotigebi
L485[08:39:00] <Bob> you need to use pairs or convert table to array
L486[08:39:03] <ben_mkiv> putting # in front of a table gives you its size
L487[08:39:08] <ben_mkiv> so #component.list("redstone")
L488[08:39:10] <Bob> array only
L489[08:39:22] <The_Stargazer> #component.list("internet") = unexpected symbol
L490[08:39:37] <ben_mkiv> well, show the whole line
L491[08:39:43] <The_Stargazer> `stdin:1: unexpected symbol near '#'`
L492[08:39:50] <Bob> http://tinyurl.com/y5zg575y
L493[08:39:52] <The_Stargazer> http://tinyurl.com/y526zt9k
L494[08:40:26] <Bob> i would rather convet the table to an array for later but still
L495[08:40:33] <Bob> table size works great
L496[08:40:39] <Bob> but slower probably ?
L497[08:40:41] <ben_mkiv> oh, then i was wrong
L498[08:42:24] <Bob> yep
L499[08:42:34] <Bob> # exclusively for array sizes
L500[08:49:18] <Bob> you can make a metatable but still
L501[08:50:01] <Bob> setmetatable(component.list("internet"),{__len = table.size})
L502[08:50:07] <Bob> but why multiple internet cards at frist ?
L503[08:51:58] <The_Stargazer> just chose that one at random ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L505[09:08:44] <Bob> why tm
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L512[09:48:27] <Bob> Inari|3 when
L513[09:51:39] <Forecaster> Whenever Half Life 3 is released :P
L514[09:52:53] <Forecaster> https://youtu.be/LobzUVTiYVM
L515[09:52:54] <MichiBot> Fleet Carrier Teaser | length: 32s | Likes: 466 Dislikes: 9 Views: 4,160 | by Elite Dangerous | Published On 6/7/2019
L516[09:56:05] <Forecaster> ooo
L517[10:07:14] <Inari> Lots of space stuff currently
L518[10:09:15] <Forecaster> aren't we all space stuff when you think about it
L519[10:11:04] <Inari> Your face is space stuff
L520[10:14:52] <Gary Gygax> Open computer
L521[10:15:06] <Forecaster> Close computer
L522[10:15:06] <Gary Gygax> Oh wrong discord :/
L523[10:15:20] <Bob> Right IRC
L524[10:15:23] <Gary Gygax> I thought voltz added an oc channel
L525[10:15:36] <Bob> anything related to OC aswell goes here
L526[10:16:01] <Gary Gygax> Yeah but on the voltz server I'm the only one who does oc
L527[10:16:14] <Gary Gygax> So I was like, yay more.
L528[10:16:53] <Bob> here everyone does OC
L529[10:18:23] <Forecaster> well...
L530[10:18:37] <Forecaster> it's more accurate to say everyone here has at some point
L531[10:22:58] <Bob> well yea
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L534[10:47:02] <Forecaster> %sip random
L535[10:47:02] <MichiBot> You drink a viscous rock potion (New!). Forecaster is now Borg.
L536[10:47:09] <Forecaster> oh dear
L537[10:55:15] * AmandaC glares at Forecaster
L538[10:55:22] <AmandaC> What do you think you're doing in the anartic?
L539[10:57:53] <Forecaster> nothing!
L540[11:17:30] <Ariri> Resistance is futile.
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L542[11:32:25] <payonel> @The_Stargazer you can use network cards between ocvm instances
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L544[11:32:57] <windowsagent> helllo
L545[11:33:04] <payonel> o/
L546[11:34:29] <Forecaster> %hello
L547[11:34:29] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L548[11:34:44] <windowsagent> Okay
L549[11:35:01] <windowsagent> I'm just amazed by the capabilities of this OS.
L550[11:35:20] <Forecaster> this channel is for the mod, not just the OS
L551[11:35:31] <Forecaster> assuming you're talking about OpenOS
L552[11:35:31] <windowsagent> Oh, okay.
L553[11:35:39] <windowsagent> I'm using MineOS
L554[11:35:45] <Vexaton> ah yes, reading through 700 slides for a 20 minute oral exam, so fun
L555[11:35:56] <Forecaster> that's not an official os
L556[11:36:02] <windowsagent> But I'm impressed by the mod itself.
L557[11:36:10] <windowsagent> And yes I know it's a third party one.
L558[11:36:49] <windowsagent> But wow. Just wow.
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L560[11:44:03] <Forecaster> 79% there!
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L562[11:58:26] <Kodos> %tonk
L563[11:58:27] <Inari> 79%?
L564[11:58:27] <MichiBot> Willikers! Kodos! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 3 hours, 18 minutes and 4 seconds (By 48 minutes and 48 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L565[11:58:28] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 4 hours, 6 minutes and 52 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.00324 (0.00081 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L566[11:58:51] <windowsagent> What's that?
L567[11:59:01] <Forecaster> http://tinyurl.com/y3d466px
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L575[13:05:04] <The_Stargazer> payonel: how do you link the two instances together?
L576[13:05:12] <The_Stargazer> (or is that not what you meant)
L577[13:08:17] <AmandaC> @The_Stargazer they just auto-connect and form a network
L578[13:08:34] <The_Stargazer> oh, it's automatic?
L579[13:08:44] <AmandaC> one of them opens a socket, makes a lock that tells the others they don't need to, and then the others connect to it
L580[13:08:54] <The_Stargazer> neat
L581[13:09:27] <The_Stargazer> note to self: build OCVM
L582[13:10:01] <The_Stargazer> running a VM inside a VM
L583[13:10:24] <The_Stargazer> where the second VM is OCVM and the first VM is an actual OS VM
L584[13:18:07] <The_Stargazer> >5KiB/s
L585[13:18:12] <The_Stargazer> wtf why
L586[13:20:37] <The_Stargazer> it gets to 90% and then the speed just
L587[13:20:40] <The_Stargazer> plummets
L588[13:34:25] <bauen1> @The_Stargazer you can specify a port (and ip) in the config to which the modem will connect to / listen on
L589[13:34:57] <bauen1> We should make a network of ocvm computers
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L594[13:55:36] <CompanionCube> https://twitter.com/dclauzel/status/1147525512794988544 oof
L595[13:55:37] <MichiBot> Sat Jul 06 10:19:36 CDT 2019 @dclauzel: Ouch <https://t.co/eBqW0TJHTV&gt; #Ubuntu #Canonical #sécurité <https://t.co/KYPVFO5G7U&gt;
L596[13:56:02] <CompanionCube> Izaya Skye ^
L597[13:58:16] <AmandaC> Not so much hacked, as had 10-11 new repos added to them
L598[14:00:38] <CompanionCube> well, the github likely got compromised to add them...
L599[14:00:40] <AmandaC> The screnshot shows 120 repositories, github now says 109
L600[14:01:00] <CompanionCube> ype, it's been reverted
L601[14:01:10] <AmandaC> github *does* have some ability for orgs to restruct who can do what, but by default anybody can add new repositories
L602[14:01:50] <AmandaC> ( anybody in the org)
L603[14:04:13] <AmandaC> I don't consider someone guessing someone's password "hacking" and that's likely all that was
L604[14:04:54] <AmandaC> and it'd be obvious whose account wwas "hacked" to be locked down promptly anyway, and see if anything was committed as them
L605[14:43:22] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/309529094452936705/597129550723416145/FB_IMG_1562437106002.jpg
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L607[15:09:20] <Squall124> Hi people ! I'm playing on Modern Skyblobk 3.5.0, with OpenComputers v1.7.2.67 and MultiStorage v1.4.11
L608[15:09:20] <Squall124> I want to use robots to sort colossal chests in EnderChest, but I can't find a way to identify EnderChests' colors from the robot. Any solution ?
L609[15:10:50] <Bob> make a table with enderchest colors and their coordinates
L610[15:11:02] <Bob> and Colosal chests are lag generators so i wouldn't recommend them
L611[15:11:33] <Bob> we need an robot block inspect upgrade then
L612[15:11:40] <ben_mkiv> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/2802 did you check that?
L613[15:12:17] <Squall124> I know colossal chests aren't the best options, but in my current tech level they are the best one. So you suggest the only way is to hardcode the chest position with the associated colors ?
L614[15:12:25] <Squall124> ben_mmkiv : gonna check this
L615[15:12:32] <ben_mkiv> that probably requires an adapter, no idea if that can be used in robots, too
L616[15:12:48] <ben_mkiv> MFU maybe? no idea
L617[15:13:11] <Squall124> I ttried with geolyzer but I can't get info for the colors
L618[15:13:22] <Bob> geolyser can return block NBT ?
L619[15:13:31] <Bob> if it can then you are able to get the chests color codes
L620[15:13:33] <ben_mkiv> afaik it can
L621[15:13:47] <Bob> so yes
L622[15:13:53] <Bob> Geolyser defenitely
L623[15:14:53] <ben_mkiv> nah, no NBT
L624[15:14:55] <ben_mkiv> just properties
L625[15:15:14] <Squall124> I didn't get any NBT tag. And As far as I found infos about this, it's intended NOT to get NBT tags
L626[15:16:38] <cyb0124> @DEMONITIZED BOI The SpongeForge issue with robots (IndexOutOfBoundsException) just got fixed
L627[15:17:50] <Squall124> ben_mkiv: I'm watching the link you gave, I'm nut used at all to scala so it's hard for me to understand how to use this
L628[15:19:27] <Squall124> And I see it is about integration/enderstorage. The EnderChests in modern skyblock are from MultiStorage :/
L629[15:19:39] <ben_mkiv> then you are probably screwed
L630[15:19:51] <ben_mkiv> https://i.imgur.com/qojQqcu.png
L631[15:19:56] <ben_mkiv> thats an adapter next to a ender chest
L632[15:20:07] <Squall124> Damn, first time I find something undoable with opencomputers :/
L633[15:20:52] <ben_mkiv> its doable, just not in your environment :P
L634[15:20:52] <Squall124> Thank you, gonna check if it works with multistorage
L635[15:22:05] <ben_mkiv> it wont
L636[15:23:31] <Squall124> Indeed it doesn't :'(
L637[15:24:32] <ben_mkiv> but neither does it with robots for enderstorage
L638[15:24:39] <ben_mkiv> why arent adapter in robots a thing? :P
L639[15:24:45] <ben_mkiv> yet... xD
L640[15:25:41] <Squall124> :/
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L642[15:27:34] <Squall124> And it seems nobody made an integration of multistorage for opencomputers :/
L643[15:28:29] <Squall124> so the only workarounds I can think of are 1) Hardcode the chest position with the items it's meant to store 2) use a sign to indicate what item goes in the chest
L644[15:29:49] <Squall124> Thank anyway for your help
L645[15:31:31] <Bob> yea probs
L646[15:37:08] <ben_mkiv> does someone know how i enabled that crap? https://i.imgur.com/T5AJVAj.png
L647[15:37:20] <ben_mkiv> the diagonal line on the highlighted block
L648[15:38:23] <Forecaster> the target thing is a texture I think
L649[15:44:26] <Bob> i dont think so
L650[15:44:28] <Bob> its not
L651[15:44:31] <Bob> why would it be a texture
L652[15:44:40] <Bob> ben there is a mod to change the outline maybe you have it on
L653[15:44:40] <Bob> ?
L654[15:48:07] <Zef> https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/aitskv/sevtech_does_anyone_know_what_this_diagonal_line/
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L661[16:40:53] <Prof_David> Moin moin
L662[16:41:02] <Prof_David> English? Deutsch?
L663[16:41:21] <Bob> Руски
L664[16:41:25] <Bob> Nah english here
L665[16:41:28] <Prof_David> ok
L666[16:41:29] <Bob> %hello
L667[16:41:30] <MichiBot> Bob: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L668[16:42:50] <Prof_David> I created my own robot.lua. Wrote it on a floppy and copied into the /lib/robot.lua (overwrite). However I can not see the changes there. Is this file protected?
L669[16:43:07] <Prof_David> It seems like I can not delete this file even though it is on the hd.
L670[16:44:01] <CompanionCube> there are no 'protected' files
L671[16:44:15] <Prof_David> hmmkay
L672[16:44:24] <Bob> use /usr/lib for personnal libraries and therr arent protected files nor an security system within OpenOS
L673[16:44:32] <Prof_David> I have to dig deeeper
L674[16:45:55] <Bob> If i would get space on the hard drive i wouldnt overwrite OpenOS libs, but you should be able to do that
L675[16:46:12] <Bob> you may not see the changes because the old robot library is still loaded
L676[16:46:29] <Prof_David> hmm
L677[16:46:43] <Bob> and since its a library its stored in package.preload and the only way to remove / clean it is to reboot and require again
L678[16:47:10] <Bob> OC Lua is a tiny bit different but works the same way for packages, the loading and caching of them is still the same
L679[16:49:02] <Bob> And If you edit OC files externally, changes dont apply unless you have buffering disabled or reload the drive
L680[16:49:10] <Bob> flush and reload
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L684[16:51:09] <Prof_David> reboot did the trick
L685[16:51:52] <Prof_David> so if I understand you correctly /usr/lib is prefered over /lib when call require?
L686[16:53:33] <Bob> No not really
L687[16:53:42] <Bob> the order is defined by package.path
L688[16:54:01] <Bob> just /usr/lib is prefered to not mess with system stuff
L689[16:54:33] <AmandaC> It might be checked before /lib, but otherwise it's just convention
L690[16:54:45] <Bob> robot lib is used by robots operating OpenOS might require some stuff
L691[16:54:52] <Bob> i dont use robots much so i cant tell but yea
L692[16:55:17] <AmandaC> ( But I believe /lib is checked first, but if you make, for example, a lib called term and place it in /lib, you're clobbering the term library of OpenOS, and things will be unhappy )
L693[16:55:44] <Bob> Yea
L694[16:55:48] <Bob> Better not touch system libs
L695[16:55:58] <Bob> make your own and make so require returns a table
L696[16:56:00] <Bob> easy
L697[16:58:16] <Prof_David> seems like /lib is prefered as it is the first entry in package.path
L698[16:58:35] <AmandaC> It's "preferred" in that manner, uyes
L699[16:58:50] <Prof_David> anyway, if I mess up, I will simply install from a new one
L700[16:58:55] <AmandaC> but you're encuraged to place your own libraries in /usr/lib so that you have zero risk of breaking things in OpenOS
L701[16:59:00] <Prof_David> the robot has a disk drive anyay
L702[16:59:05] <Prof_David> *anyway
L703[16:59:18] <Prof_David> also with same name?
L704[17:00:15] <Prof_David> what happens if I have a robot.lua in /lib and in /usr/lib? Do these get fused?
L705[17:01:44] <Prof_David> I expected first wins
L706[17:04:13] <Bob> No
L707[17:04:24] <Bob> it requires the frist one
L708[17:04:29] <Bob> the one in /lib
L709[17:04:36] <Prof_David> ok thanks
L710[17:04:42] <Bob> since in package.path /lib comes frist
L711[17:04:49] <Bob> actually you may try but i doubt
L712[17:06:13] <Bob> One will return its stuff so it will stop at some point
L713[17:06:25] <Prof_David> I mean, I could reorder in package.path and place my updated script in /usr/lib
L714[17:06:28] <Bob> You cant fuse tables by overwriting
L715[17:06:29] <Bob> Yea
L716[17:06:45] <Bob> You could but you will probably break OpenOS robot controll features
L717[17:06:48] <Bob> and why doing that
L718[17:06:56] <Bob> if you can just overwrite then
L719[17:07:09] <Bob> robot2.lua done
L720[17:07:10] <Prof_David> I'm borne with a resistance to good advices, I rather mess up my OS and place it in /lib :)
L721[17:08:56] <Bob> Youre free too
L722[17:09:55] <Prof_David> Just to be sure, once I craft a new OS based on a manual and a floppy I do have a fresh start?
L723[17:10:33] <Prof_David> Just to make sure I'm not messing up with a shared resource
L724[17:13:11] <AmandaC> the reason using /usr/lib is preferred to using /lib is if you happen to name your library something that OpenOS alredy has, **your** code breaks, instead of **all of OpenOS**
L725[17:14:56] <Bob> ^
L726[17:15:14] <Bob> If theres something wrong in the system /lib then the whole thing can crash
L727[17:15:19] <Bob> so its really not recommended
L728[17:15:26] <Bob> Amanda is right
L729[17:16:39] <AmandaC> and you can always force the /usr/lib version to be loaded by passing '/usr/lib/foo.lua' instead of 'foo' -- OpenOS itself will only ever use 'foo' for it's own libraries
L730[17:16:43] <Prof_David> teh whole thing means robot or minecraft?
L731[17:17:19] <AmandaC> the robot
L732[17:17:28] <Bob> The robot obviously
L733[17:17:28] <Prof_David> ah ok
L734[17:17:33] <Bob> an Lua error cant break MC
L735[17:17:49] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot your grandma's glass eye-ball
L736[17:17:50] * MichiBot accepts your grandma's glass eye-ball and adds it to her inventory
L737[17:17:51] <Bob> Especially how OC sandboxes it
L738[17:18:06] <Prof_David> ok nice
L739[17:19:42] <Prof_David> thank you very much for your help
L740[17:19:46] <Bob> Unless your configs are edited, Lua can't break out
L741[17:19:59] <Prof_David> that was really fast and informative
L742[17:20:00] <Bob> No problem, feel free to ask more thins here or just jump in in randon discutions
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L744[17:26:11] <Bob> Well we know the topic so
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L746[17:37:33] <Forecaster> %tonkout ?
L747[17:37:34] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins! Forecaster! You beat Kodos's previous record of 4 hours, 6 minutes and 52 seconds (By 1 hour, 32 minutes and 14 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L748[17:37:35] <MichiBot> Forecaster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.6423
L749[17:37:40] <Forecaster> woo
L750[17:54:02] <AmandaC> %8ball more littlewood?
L751[17:54:02] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Without a doubt
L752[17:54:46] <The_Stargazer> huh
L753[17:54:56] <The_Stargazer> `gjggfuiii` was in my text box
L754[17:55:09] <The_Stargazer> is my computer trying to tell me something
L755[17:55:43] <AmandaC> nope, clearly one of Lizzy's kittens walked across your keyboard
L756[17:56:51] * AmandaC carries the errent kitten back to Lizzy, meows
L757[18:03:59] * Lizzy wondered where Fae had gotten to
L758[18:04:19] * Lizzy accepts the kitten, cuddles tightly
L759[18:04:29] * AmandaC cuddles up against Lizzy, loading up littlewood now
L760[18:04:42] * Lizzy gives small ear-scritches to AmandaC
L761[18:05:08] * AmandaC purrs softly
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L763[18:08:13] <JacobTDC> How do you install wget?
L764[18:08:25] <JacobTDC> The internet disk isn't a thing...
L765[18:09:00] <Lizzy> it's part of standard openos now IIRC
L766[18:09:30] <JacobTDC> Oh... I hadn't thought of trying it. Thanks.
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L768[18:12:03] <Bob> Petition to rename IRC floppy to Instant Reply Chat
L769[18:14:38] <Izaya> false advertising is illegal
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L771[19:01:27] <Kodos> %tonk
L772[19:01:28] <MichiBot> By my throth! Kodos! You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 23 minutes and 53 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L773[19:01:29] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 1 hour, 23 minutes and 53 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.0014 tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L774[19:04:37] <Zef> http://tinyurl.com/y5xfmb7t
L775[19:19:42] <Bob> cursed
L776[19:22:04] <Zef> Binary transmission of characters
L777[19:22:16] <Zef> From opencomputers to computercraft
L778[19:33:13] <The_Stargazer> OCVM compilation take 2: Now with an extra 512 megabytes of Random Access Memory!
L779[19:33:19] <The_Stargazer> let's see if it'll compile
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L781[19:37:03] <The_Stargazer> nope
L782[19:37:12] <The_Stargazer> it did crash VirtualBox though
L783[19:45:48] <CompanionCube> what
L784[19:46:29] <payonel> @The_Stargazer you're on windows? can you couldn't get it to compile with cygwin?
L785[19:46:39] <The_Stargazer> cygwhat?
L786[19:46:46] <payonel> o_O
L787[19:47:02] <The_Stargazer> what's cygwin?
L788[19:47:08] <The_Stargazer> it's not a thing I've heard of
L789[19:47:12] <payonel> are you on windows?
L790[19:47:18] <The_Stargazer> indeed I am
L791[19:47:26] <payonel> then you should look into cygwin
L792[19:47:28] <payonel> google
L793[19:47:48] <The_Stargazer> does it require a large amount of storage space?
L794[19:47:56] <The_Stargazer> I have, uh
L795[19:47:57] <The_Stargazer> 12MB
L796[19:48:46] <Izaya> blergh I need to sort out my paperwork
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L800[19:56:38] <JacobTDC> Is it possible to reprogram a microcontroller once assembled?
L801[19:58:41] <The_Stargazer> yes
L802[19:58:49] <The_Stargazer> shift-rightclick with the new EEPROM
L803[19:58:54] <The_Stargazer> it'll give you the old one back
L804[19:59:05] <JacobTDC> Oh. Cool. Thanks.
L805[19:59:09] <payonel> or recraft it with the eeprom you want to replace
L806[19:59:10] <The_Stargazer> np
L807[19:59:16] <The_Stargazer> you can do that?
L808[19:59:25] <payonel> yes
L809[19:59:25] <JacobTDC> If I don't install one when I make it, can I add one later?
L810[19:59:30] <payonel> yes
L811[19:59:35] <JacobTDC> K.
L812[20:00:23] <JacobTDC> I'm going to connect my Minecraft to the IoT (internet of things). I'm so excited!
L813[20:00:54] <JacobTDC> So, just to be clear, I can reassemble a microcontroller?
L814[20:01:43] <The_Stargazer> yea
L815[20:01:55] <payonel> you can swap its eeprom, and you can also completely dissemble it in the dissembler
L816[20:01:55] <The_Stargazer> put it in a disassembler
L817[20:02:07] <The_Stargazer> just curious, how are you going to connect MC to the IoT?
L818[20:02:16] <JacobTDC> Internet Card
L819[20:02:20] <JacobTDC> And redstone card.
L820[20:02:27] <The_Stargazer> Ah
L821[20:09:14] <JacobTDC> I originally had ComputerCraft, but I felt like it was too overpowered in my mod pack.
L822[20:09:37] <JacobTDC> OpenComputers is more expensive and better ballanced.
L823[20:10:15] <Zef> If it's not expensive enough there's a hardcore recipies option
L824[20:11:31] <JacobTDC> Hmm. What kind of changes do the recepies have?
L825[20:12:22] <Zef> The only one I know of is having to use grog and "etch" the circuit boards
L826[20:12:44] <JacobTDC> Ooooo.... That sounds cool...
L827[20:14:59] <Izaya> It's quite painful.
L828[20:15:06] <Izaya> Highly recommended for fans of GregTech
L829[20:16:28] <JacobTDC> Well, I think it adds a little bit of realism to it. I might enable it, but I'm probably too lazy. XD
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L832[20:28:45] <Ariri> Oh?
L833[20:30:26] <Ariri> %tonk
L834[20:30:28] <MichiBot> Voldemort! Ariri! You beat Kodos's previous record of 1 hour, 23 minutes and 53 seconds (By 5 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L835[20:30:29] <MichiBot> Ariri's new record is 1 hour, 28 minutes and 59 seconds! Ariri also gained 0.00018 (0.00009 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L836[20:41:25] <bad at vijya> did someone say
L837[20:41:27] <bad at vijya> IoT
L838[20:41:29] <bad at vijya> and MC
L839[20:41:38] <bad at vijya> reeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
L840[20:41:44] <Izaya> the S in IoT is for security
L841[20:43:19] <bad at vijya> kek
L842[20:43:36] <bad at vijya> it's like how the f in -- *[banned]*
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L844[20:44:22] <AdorableCatgirl> hey gamers
L845[20:44:28] <AdorableCatgirl> now i'm in IRC
L846[20:46:36] <AdorableCatgirl> man i should work on my kernel finally
L847[21:18:26] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/27f72dd1-1a58-40da-b470-2e01cea5e177/2019-07-07_12.18.01.png
L848[21:18:33] <Izaya> expanding my operation :^)
L849[21:25:14] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/d030ffbc4fa2c04cc0896fe9d9f846e48cdcf5e38604b33957f52b2ca4e646a0.png
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L855[21:33:09] <AdorableCatgirl> i wanna set up a server but i don't want to manage it
L856[21:33:09] <Ariri> i could prob set up a server
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L858[21:33:09] <Ariri> ive done a few
L859[21:33:56] <Ariri> I wanna trasnfer my CMDR from ED to pc but dont wanna lose my shi[
L860[21:33:59] <Ariri> I wanna trasnfer my CMDR from ED to pc but dont wanna lose my ship [Edited]
L861[21:34:02] <Ariri> so much grindf
L862[21:34:09] *** progwml6_ is now known as progwml6
L863[21:34:13] <AdorableCatgirl> oof
L864[21:34:23] <AdorableCatgirl> i have a rather large 1.7.10 modpack
L865[21:34:48] <Ariri> hmm
L866[21:34:52] <Ariri> how many mods
L867[21:34:56] <AdorableCatgirl> sev
L868[21:34:58] <AdorableCatgirl> *sec
L869[21:35:01] <AdorableCatgirl> i have to find t
L870[21:35:03] <AdorableCatgirl> it
L871[21:35:08] <Ariri> okie
L872[21:35:18] <Corded> * <Ariri> pats MichiBot
L873[21:35:24] <Ariri> Sad
L874[21:35:47] <Ariri> %pat MichiBot
L875[21:35:53] <AdorableCatgirl> 59
L876[21:36:03] <AdorableCatgirl> 59 mods
L877[21:36:04] <Ariri> thats rather large?
L878[21:36:07] <AdorableCatgirl> well
L879[21:36:17] <AdorableCatgirl> probably more like a mod has a memory leak
L880[21:36:22] <AdorableCatgirl> and i cba to find it
L881[21:36:25] <Ariri> oh
L882[21:36:55] <AdorableCatgirl> i can DM you the mod list
L883[21:36:59] <AdorableCatgirl> on discord
L884[21:37:00] <Ariri> People here have repeatedly said, "Make-a-leak-ism" or something, if it has Mekanism
L885[21:37:02] <Ariri> okay
L886[22:02:54] <The_Stargazer> can you `dofile` files from the internet?
L887[22:04:21] <Izaya> if you download them first, sure
L888[22:08:15] <The_Stargazer> can I pass os.execute("wget https://site.com/path/to/file.lua&quot;) to dofile()?
L889[22:08:55] <The_Stargazer> can I pass `os.execute("wget https://site.com/path/to/file.lua&quot;)` to dofile()? [Edited]
L890[22:09:12] <Izaya> no
L891[22:09:52] <Izaya> if we had curl you could use that and read from stdout
L892[22:10:00] <Izaya> but no wget only does to file
L893[22:10:01] <Izaya> hmm
L894[22:10:12] <AdorableCatgirl> here we goOOOO
L895[22:10:33] <Izaya> - does not tell wget to output to stdout unfortunately
L896[22:10:34] <AdorableCatgirl> i should probably update OC while i'm at it
L897[22:11:38] <Kodos> %tonkout
L898[22:11:38] <MichiBot> Potzblitz! Kodos! You beat Ariri's previous record of 1 hour, 28 minutes and 59 seconds (By 12 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L899[22:11:39] <MichiBot> Kodos has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.001 tonk points! Current score: 0.70679
L900[22:22:07] <AdorableCatgirl> it still pisses me off that the new minecraft launchers don't have a log tab
L901[22:22:43] <Ariri> isnt it a setting?
L902[22:22:50] <The_Stargazer> like
L903[22:22:52] <The_Stargazer> an actual tab
L904[22:22:55] <The_Stargazer> like the old launcher had
L905[22:27:31] <Izaya> people talk about the old launcher and I'm pretty sure they're talkin about something other than the one they were using in beta
L906[22:29:12] <AdorableCatgirl> like
L907[22:29:15] <AdorableCatgirl> the 4th one
L908[22:29:30] <AdorableCatgirl> the one before the e l k e c t r o n . j a y e s s one
L909[22:29:45] <Izaya> there's an electron one now?
L910[22:29:48] <Izaya> kek
L911[22:29:56] <Izaya> makes me happy I haven't used the official launcher in years
L912[22:30:49] <AdorableCatgirl> oh?
L913[22:30:55] <AdorableCatgirl> how the fuck you launch it
L914[22:31:15] <Izaya> MultiMC, like a normal person
L915[22:31:19] <The_Stargazer> wait, the new launcher is electron?
L916[22:31:23] <AdorableCatgirl> ah
L917[22:31:26] <AdorableCatgirl> fair enough
L918[22:31:26] <The_Stargazer> it seems like everything is electron
L919[22:31:29] <AdorableCatgirl> iirc it's electron
L920[22:31:32] <AdorableCatgirl> lemme check
L921[22:31:45] <The_Stargazer> twitch, atom, github desktop
L922[22:31:45] <Izaya> The_Stargazer: web developers are cheaper than competent programmers
L923[22:31:52] <The_Stargazer> (iirc github desktop is electron)
L924[22:32:09] <AdorableCatgirl> yeah it is
L925[22:32:15] <AdorableCatgirl> it's electron
L926[22:32:21] <AdorableCatgirl> electron makes me angry
L927[22:32:30] <AdorableCatgirl> electron is the fucking bane of my existance
L928[22:33:18] <Izaya> electron is just a symptom of a larger problem
L929[22:33:42] <AdorableCatgirl> so is my lack of a will to live, your point?
L930[22:33:42] <Izaya> that being, computers are too complicated
L931[22:34:02] <AdorableCatgirl> yeah
L932[22:34:06] <AdorableCatgirl> computers are complicated
L933[22:34:10] <Izaya> like
L934[22:34:15] <Izaya> computers are complicated anyway
L935[22:34:23] <AdorableCatgirl> like looking at the linux kernel
L936[22:34:25] <AdorableCatgirl> for instance
L937[22:34:26] <Izaya> but they're way more complicated than they should be
L938[22:34:45] <AdorableCatgirl> 2.3 is like the last version i can sorta understand
L939[22:34:56] <Izaya> both major architectures in use are horrendous
L940[22:35:04] <AdorableCatgirl> but maybe that's just me looking at all the newer versions have to offer and going
L941[22:35:07] <AdorableCatgirl> "oh fuck that"
L942[22:35:10] <Izaya> (x86_64 and ARM are both shitshows for different reasons)
L943[22:35:14] <AdorableCatgirl> yeah
L944[22:35:21] <AdorableCatgirl> but i mean like
L945[22:35:22] <AdorableCatgirl> powerpc
L946[22:35:36] <Izaya> has its own set of issues
L947[22:36:33] <AdorableCatgirl> and we can't forget mips
L948[22:36:52] <Izaya> hardly even RISC when it started
L949[22:37:04] <Izaya> I hope RISC-V turns out alright
L950[22:37:07] <AdorableCatgirl> me too
L951[22:37:25] <AdorableCatgirl> trying to write things for MIPS scares me a little
L952[22:37:33] <AdorableCatgirl> especially after looking into the linux kernel source code
L953[22:37:43] <Izaya> but the devices that attach to stuff are as much a problem as the processor itself
L954[22:38:08] <AdorableCatgirl> nvidia
L955[22:38:25] <Izaya> closer
L956[22:38:37] <AdorableCatgirl> well generally fuck nvidia as is
L957[22:38:43] <AdorableCatgirl> and realtek
L958[22:38:45] <Izaya> basically everything in the north and south bridge parts of the chipset are a mess
L959[22:38:52] <AdorableCatgirl> fair
L960[22:39:20] <AdorableCatgirl> well
L961[22:39:22] <Izaya> we have no standardised way of accessing devices
L962[22:39:24] <Izaya> any devicesz
L963[22:39:32] <AdorableCatgirl> what should i do while multimc compiles
L964[22:39:41] <Izaya> ingest sustinence
L965[22:39:58] <AdorableCatgirl> already did that :(
L966[22:40:11] <AdorableCatgirl> why do things take so long to compile smh
L967[22:40:26] <Izaya> MultiMC took like 3 minutes
L968[22:40:30] <AdorableCatgirl> i'm just gonna blame C++ just because C++
L969[22:40:33] <Izaya> make some popcorn and watch the pretty coloured lights
L970[22:40:48] <AdorableCatgirl> my cpu is
L971[22:40:48] <AdorableCatgirl> slow
L972[22:41:00] <AdorableCatgirl> it's like a power efficient Q6600
L973[22:41:10] <Izaya> at least it has 4 cores
L974[22:41:15] <Izaya> could be worse :D
L975[22:41:18] <AdorableCatgirl> yeah
L976[22:41:23] <AdorableCatgirl> it could be a celeron 900
L977[22:41:32] <AdorableCatgirl> thermal throttling
L978[22:41:38] <AdorableCatgirl> running at 800MHz
L979[22:41:42] <Ariri> *had one of those*
L980[22:41:52] <Izaya> how bout a pentium III 500Mhz
L981[22:42:08] <AdorableCatgirl> at leAST IT ISN'T THERMAL THROTTLING
L982[22:42:17] <AdorableCatgirl> ALL THE FUCKING TIME
L983[22:42:18] <Izaya> it doesn't know how to thermal throttle
L984[22:42:20] <Izaya> 128M of RAM
L985[22:42:23] <Izaya> a whole
L986[22:42:26] <Izaya> 6GB of disk
L987[22:42:27] <Ariri> thermal thotting
L988[22:42:34] <AdorableCatgirl> ha
L989[22:43:16] <Izaya> on the upside, very sharp 16-bit 1024x768 14" screen
L990[22:43:32] <AdorableCatgirl> my K6/2 had more ram and disk space
L991[22:43:38] <AdorableCatgirl> *K6/2 build
L992[22:43:50] <AdorableCatgirl> 256MB RAM and 13GB of disk
L993[22:43:51] <AdorableCatgirl> B)
L994[22:43:58] * Izaya was describing the laptop they used in school
L995[22:44:01] <AdorableCatgirl> oh
L996[22:44:03] <Izaya> best keyboard on a laptop ever
L997[22:44:15] <AdorableCatgirl> i had a lil desktop
L998[22:44:15] * Izaya is, of course, referring to the ThinkPad 600X
L999[22:44:17] <AdorableCatgirl> it was nice
L1000[22:44:25] <AdorableCatgirl> the PSU died
L1001[22:44:27] <Ariri> Lenovo has the better laptops tbh
L1002[22:44:27] <AdorableCatgirl> fried the board
L1003[22:44:30] <Ariri> for school at least
L1004[22:44:47] <AdorableCatgirl> i'm stil sad
L1005[22:44:47] <Izaya> I'd go for a Dell nowadays
L1006[22:44:49] <AdorableCatgirl> :(
L1007[22:44:54] <Izaya> if we're talking new
L1008[22:44:56] <Ariri> tho i dont see the use of the red button for mouse
L1009[22:45:03] <AdorableCatgirl> i want my comfy K6/2 back
L1010[22:45:11] <Izaya> Ariri: it's infinitely better than the touchpad
L1011[22:45:21] <Izaya> plus doesn't need you to take your hands off the home row of the keyboard
L1012[22:45:23] <AdorableCatgirl> ^
L1013[22:45:25] <Ariri> new yeah maybe dell but my school uses lenovos and they run decently
L1014[22:45:36] <Ariri> I dont use homerow at all
L1015[22:45:44] <Izaya> you don't use the keyboard?
L1016[22:45:48] <Ariri> I couldnt quite get the hang of it
L1017[22:45:49] <AdorableCatgirl> touchpads are hot garbage
L1018[22:45:57] <AdorableCatgirl> past like
L1019[22:45:59] <Ariri> No i dontuse homerow, i just... tyoe
L1020[22:45:59] <AdorableCatgirl> 2009
L1021[22:46:17] <Ariri> like my hands are probably at wasd and hovering somewhere else
L1022[22:46:29] <AdorableCatgirl> my 2007 Satellite L305 had a godtier touchpad
L1023[22:46:37] <AdorableCatgirl> it worked pretty much flawlessly
L1024[22:46:39] <Izaya> evidently you need to spend more time on IRC
L1025[22:46:40] <Ariri> lenovo touchpads aint bad tho, and i try to bring a usb mouse anyways
L1026[22:46:47] <AdorableCatgirl> and had a nice keyboard to boot
L1027[22:46:58] <AdorableCatgirl> eye are sea
L1028[22:47:12] <Ariri> I spend a lot of time on discord, not that id see the use of homerow anyways
L1029[22:47:12] <Ariri> they tried to teach us it in school but i no like
L1030[22:47:21] <AdorableCatgirl> i mean
L1031[22:47:27] <AdorableCatgirl> i place my fingers in weird places
L1032[22:47:30] * Izaya is only relatively fast at typing because of the years spent on IRC
L1033[22:47:30] <The_Stargazer> for those moments when Minecraft runs outta RAM and you were about to open task manager to close some processes to save RAM
L1034[22:47:30] <The_Stargazer> new key combination: ctrl-shift-goddamnit
L1035[22:47:33] <AdorableCatgirl> but i always find my way back
L1036[22:47:50] <Ariri> ive been typing essentially since i was born
L1037[22:48:01] <Izaya> evidently not enough
L1038[22:48:17] <Ariri> how
L1039[22:48:24] <Ariri> and what i meant was^
L1040[22:48:44] <Ariri> thats why i resisted homerow, bc it was vastly diffrent and i didnt see the pro of it
L1041[22:48:51] <Ariri> then again, i was like 7
L1042[22:49:12] <Izaya> typing technique will end up making you faster and slow the onset of RSI
L1043[22:49:32] <Ariri> I have a technique
L1044[22:49:48] <Ariri> just not a standard one
L1045[22:50:11] <Izaya> oh well
L1046[22:50:40] <AdorableCatgirl> i rest one hand on W, A, and D, and the other wherever it falls, really.
L1047[22:50:44] <AdorableCatgirl> i just r e m e b e r
L1048[22:50:51] <AdorableCatgirl> *remember
L1049[22:51:01] <Izaya> well my point is
L1050[22:51:04] <AdorableCatgirl> i can remember where keys are, but not how to spell words
L1051[22:51:29] <Ariri> debating getting compression gloves anyways bc i think im getting carpal tunnel
L1052[22:51:33] <Izaya> either way
L1053[22:51:43] <Izaya> having to move your hands off the keyboard slows you down
L1054[22:51:49] <AdorableCatgirl> yeah
L1055[22:52:01] <Izaya> so the less you do that the better
L1056[22:52:03] <AdorableCatgirl> and since most touchpads are unreliable gabage anyways
L1057[22:52:05] <AdorableCatgirl> *garbage
L1058[22:52:30] <Izaya> and while a trackpoint is a worse pointing device than an actual mouse, it's better than a touchpad and you don't have to move your hands off the keyboard
L1059[22:52:39] <Ariri> I only used them for maybe an 1 hr and a half at a time at the most anyways, i prefer working at home
L1060[22:52:45] <Ariri> yeah that makes sense^
L1061[22:53:03] <AdorableCatgirl> like
L1062[22:53:15] <AdorableCatgirl> if i have a touchpad that works reliably, i don't mind
L1063[22:53:20] <AdorableCatgirl> again, my toshiba
L1064[22:53:25] <AdorableCatgirl> but if it just
L1065[22:53:27] <AdorableCatgirl> doesn't work
L1066[22:53:32] <AdorableCatgirl> then fuck that shit
L1067[22:53:38] * Izaya will not buy a laptop without a trackpoint now
L1068[22:54:03] <Izaya> or a good keyboard
L1069[22:54:14] <Izaya> so basically anything built after 2011 is already dead to me
L1070[22:54:17] <AdorableCatgirl> why can't i get a laptop like my old toshiba with modern hardware
L1071[22:54:23] <AdorableCatgirl> :(
L1072[22:54:26] <AdorableCatgirl> i want my 16:10 screen
L1073[22:54:34] <Izaya> because manufacturers want people to want macbooks because they have large margins
L1074[22:54:34] <AdorableCatgirl> nice keyboard and touchpad
L1075[22:55:13] <AdorableCatgirl> fair
L1076[22:55:37] <Izaya> but all computers suck so whatever
L1077[22:55:39] <AdorableCatgirl> my laptop is le_meecbook_meem but it was cheaper than the rest for the hardware inside
L1078[22:55:45] <AdorableCatgirl> so
L1079[22:55:50] <AdorableCatgirl> let's see what it gets me
L1080[22:57:23] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L1081[22:57:25] <MichiBot> Dagnabbit! CompanionCube! You beat Kodos's previous record of <0 (By 45 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1082[22:57:26] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 45 minutes and 45 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00076 tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L1083[22:57:44] <CompanionCube> :(
L1084[22:57:57] <Izaya> I don't know what that means
L1085[22:58:14] <CompanionCube> Kodos: pointless tonkout was pointless.
L1086[22:58:32] <AdorableCatgirl> what
L1087[22:59:24] <AdorableCatgirl> multimc is already better
L1088[22:59:31] <AdorableCatgirl> it has a fucking console
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L1090[23:00:19] <tpzker> I’m going to test something as I’ve been wondering if this would work: @Paradoxical#2936
L1091[23:00:31] <Paradoxical> Nope
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L1093[23:01:23] <CompanionCube> Izaya: re: devices, isn't that what PCI(e?) and USB are for? ;p
L1094[23:01:37] <Izaya> CompanionCube: but how do you talk to the PCI-e controller
L1095[23:02:02] <Izaya> admittedly there are some standards around those but still
L1096[23:02:43] <CompanionCube> AdorableCatgirl: well, rhere are simpler kernels out there but those can lack lots of features
L1097[23:03:20] * CompanionCube glares in the direction of xv6 and Sortix. Not MINIX/L4, that's cheating :p
L1098[23:04:02] <CompanionCube> (disclaimer: have a cosmetic sortix cloak on Freenode. And have ported a cli app to it once.)
L1099[23:05:09] <The_Stargazer> why is component.filesystem.exists() returning false on an empty file that exists?
L1100[23:06:06] <AdorableCatgirl> CompanionCube: Fair
L1101[23:06:26] <AdorableCatgirl> also wow
L1102[23:06:43] <AdorableCatgirl> MultiMC is gonna make debugging my modpack a lot easier
L1103[23:06:55] <Izaya> I'm just amazed you weren't already using it
L1104[23:07:04] <AdorableCatgirl> i'm a masochist i guess
L1105[23:07:05] <The_Stargazer> it should return true
L1106[23:07:13] <AdorableCatgirl> i mean like i use lua for everything
L1107[23:07:54] <The_Stargazer> http://tinyurl.com/yxj97u5j
L1108[23:08:00] <CompanionCube> is the new launcher distinct from the 'twitch app' thing
L1109[23:08:30] <CompanionCube> because not only have i never touched that abomination, i couldn't even if i felt like it
L1110[23:09:01] <The_Stargazer> also, how to create a file in Lua?
L1111[23:10:10] <AdorableCatgirl> rm -rf /
L1112[23:10:22] <The_Stargazer> haha
L1113[23:10:36] <The_Stargazer> how to **create** a file
L1114[23:10:36] <The_Stargazer> not how to **remove every** file
L1115[23:10:44] <The_Stargazer> also
L1116[23:10:52] <The_Stargazer> isn't it rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
L1117[23:10:56] <CompanionCube> ^
L1118[23:10:59] <The_Stargazer> or is no-preserve-root not a thing in OpenOS
L1119[23:11:06] <CompanionCube> i'd assume not
L1120[23:11:07] <AdorableCatgirl> not a thing on openos iirc
L1121[23:11:08] <The_Stargazer> yes, it is
L1122[23:11:11] <CompanionCube> that was a GNU extension
L1123[23:11:18] <The_Stargazer> http://tinyurl.com/y4wjsxw6
L1124[23:11:29] <The_Stargazer> it is a thing it appears
L1125[23:11:40] <AdorableCatgirl> i s2g if WINE tries to open URLs
L1126[23:11:49] <The_Stargazer> s2g?
L1127[23:11:52] <The_Stargazer> swear to god?
L1128[23:11:55] <AdorableCatgirl> yea
L1129[23:11:57] <CompanionCube> AdorableCatgirl: fucking wine and mimetypes
L1130[23:12:04] <AdorableCatgirl> wine and mimetypes
L1131[23:12:14] <The_Stargazer> they do not mix?
L1132[23:12:16] <AdorableCatgirl> makes me want to drink and drive off a cliff
L1133[23:12:27] <The_Stargazer> drink wine
L1134[23:12:38] <The_Stargazer> and then throw the bottle into the ocean
L1135[23:12:44] <AdorableCatgirl> ha maybe i should have made a joke about drinking wine
L1136[23:12:49] <CompanionCube> i remember when it configured them so that local .html documents opened in wine's IE or somethinf equally BS.
L1137[23:13:42] <CompanionCube> there was also notepad.exe for something..;;
L1138[23:13:58] <AdorableCatgirl> notepad wants to open EVERYTHING
L1139[23:14:22] <AdorableCatgirl> if it's text, it MUST BE OPENED
L1140[23:14:26] <CompanionCube> (why would anyone want to voluntarily use wine's notepad. I mean, really.)
L1141[23:14:34] <AdorableCatgirl> no clue
L1142[23:14:40] <AdorableCatgirl> i use either micro or sublime
L1143[23:20:58] <The_Stargazer> when I use linux I stick to `nano`
L1144[23:21:05] <CompanionCube> AdorableCatgirl: you should totally try this OS just 'cause: https://sortix.org/trianglix/
L1145[23:21:11] <The_Stargazer> infact, in my .bash_aliases I aliased edit to nano
L1146[23:21:28] <The_Stargazer> doesn't work with sudo though
L1147[23:21:36] * CompanionCube uses emacs or nano, depending on situtation
L1148[23:22:01] <CompanionCube> for general-purpose editing there's emacs
L1149[23:22:42] <CompanionCube> for stuff needing root or on other machines and when deciding not to use TRAMP there's nano
L1150[23:24:16] <The_Stargazer> also
L1151[23:24:25] <The_Stargazer> why use rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
L1152[23:24:29] <The_Stargazer> when you can use
L1153[23:24:35] <The_Stargazer> rm -rfv --no-preserve-root /
L1154[23:24:39] <CompanionCube> better
L1155[23:24:40] <The_Stargazer> and watch it burn
L1156[23:24:47] <CompanionCube> use rm -rfv /*
L1157[23:25:00] <The_Stargazer> does that bypass --no-preserve-root?
L1158[23:25:07] <CompanionCube> maybe?
L1159[23:25:23] <CompanionCube> alternatively 'cd /; rm -rfv *'
L1160[23:25:59] <The_Stargazer> actually the full command would need a `sudo` if on a real Linux system
L1161[23:26:18] <The_Stargazer> also: my trackpad doesn't work with edit, sad
L1162[23:27:17] <The_Stargazer> is `psh` an actual shell?
L1163[23:27:27] <The_Stargazer> i'm wondering whether to shorten `pshare` to `psh`
L1164[23:28:43] <CompanionCube> i'm not aware of anything reasonably popular by that name
L1165[23:29:44] <CompanionCube> although there's apparently an obscure 'perl shell' :p
L1166[23:29:45] <The_Stargazer> i just don't want people to think it's a shell
L1167[23:30:15] <The_Stargazer> also, if i were to go with `[letter]sh` i'd go with `fsh` (**F**ile **Sh**are)
L1168[23:30:25] <The_Stargazer> is fsh a thing?
L1169[23:30:33] <The_Stargazer> not to be confused with fish
L1170[23:30:47] <CompanionCube> why not fshr?
L1171[23:30:57] <The_Stargazer> good point
L1172[23:31:38] <CompanionCube> that is closer to file-share and more distinguished from 'fish'
L1173[23:32:17] <The_Stargazer> yeah
L1174[23:35:31] <Paradoxical> flshr
L1175[23:38:50] <Paradoxical> More sadistically,
L1176[23:38:50] <Paradoxical> tar -cvJf /backup.tar.xz / && echo “Backup done!” && rm -rfv /*
L1177[23:40:27] <The_Stargazer> can you send a file over `modem.broadcast()`?
L1178[23:41:49] <The_Stargazer> also
L1179[23:41:54] <The_Stargazer> how the fuck does fs.openw ork
L1180[23:41:56] <The_Stargazer> how the fuck does fs.open work [Edited]
L1181[23:42:18] <The_Stargazer> specifically
L1182[23:42:23] <The_Stargazer> component.filesystem.open
L1183[23:42:54] <The_Stargazer> it just returns nil
L1184[23:42:58] <The_Stargazer> and the path???
L1185[23:43:14] <The_Stargazer> modes 'w' and 'a' state the system cannot find the file
L1186[23:43:18] <The_Stargazer> BUT IT EXISTS????
L1187[23:43:31] <The_Stargazer> all i wanna do is read/write operations
L1188[23:44:35] <The_Stargazer> okay io.open() works way better
L1189[23:46:51] <The_Stargazer> but how do i write with it
L1190[23:47:46] <The_Stargazer> nvm figured it out
L1191[23:49:29] <Zef> You'd need to read the file and send the contents of the file
L1192[23:49:39] <Zef> I'd suggest doing it in chunks so there would be no size limit
L1193[23:49:52] <The_Stargazer> How do I get files from the internet?
L1194[23:51:06] <The_Stargazer> (in Lua)
L1195[23:53:04] <The_Stargazer> mode 'a' is append correct?
L1196[23:54:51] <The_Stargazer> nvm, figured it out again
L1197[23:55:21] <The_Stargazer> just do multiple `out = request.read()` and `file:write(out)`
L1198[23:55:32] <The_Stargazer> the former has to be done twice
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