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L1[00:04:46] <Izaya> >triple screens
L2[00:04:55] <Izaya> rookie numbers https://social.shadowkat.net/media/cdbad8d2540947df1e8e9e5adf65ab620a19cd84f96187970af26d2d7573fa3d.png
L3[00:13:24] <pentadyne> well I give up
L4[00:14:08] <pentadyne> apparently with local worked, result = os.execute(program), result should equal the argument passed to os.exit but it doesnt
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L6[01:28:34] <lopezt> anyone else has issues with memory in his programs?
L7[01:36:58] <Forecaster> no
L8[02:29:38] <payonel> agris: poke
L9[02:40:10] <payonel> Izaya: yp?
L10[02:40:12] <payonel> up*
L11[02:40:24] <Izaya> Hi
L12[02:40:41] <payonel> so...that weird hang-crash agris reported?
L13[02:41:25] <Izaya> Is this the one from yesterday involving lshw?
L14[02:41:33] <payonel> yeah
L15[02:41:38] <payonel> turns out the checksum of the OpenComputers-MC1.12.2-1.7.4.153.jar in his pack did not match
L16[02:41:48] <Izaya> Oh, huh
L17[02:41:49] <payonel> so i unpacked it, ran some more checksums
L18[02:42:08] <payonel> real: 50b8fda6131ff585013271c3e2a39026fa221df0 ./assets/opencomputers/lib/lua52/native.64.so
L19[02:42:15] <payonel> fake: 44fb0e613338958298e0cfd2e022cec2e82cebee ./assets/opencomputers/lib/lua52/native.64.so
L20[02:42:24] <payonel> that's the only difference
L21[02:42:25] * Izaya squints
L22[02:42:38] <payonel> i'm saying, everything else in the jar is a match
L23[02:42:41] <Izaya> Seems a little specific to be corruption, no?
L24[02:42:43] <payonel> someone swapped the lua native
L25[02:42:48] <payonel> yep
L26[02:42:57] <Izaya> Iiiiiinteresting.
L27[02:42:59] <payonel> and of course...i've been running this on my server
L28[02:43:00] <payonel> :/
L29[02:43:06] <Izaya> Oh shit.
L30[02:43:08] <payonel> i need to start testing crap in my vms
L31[02:43:25] * Izaya pokes CompanionCube
L32[02:43:36] <Izaya> I don't know shit about disasm but...
L33[02:43:42] <payonel> i do
L34[02:43:49] <Izaya> Oh hey have you run 'strings' against it?
L35[02:43:55] <CompanionCube> Izaya: what is it
L36[02:44:54] <Izaya> Possible intentional replacement of the lua natives in someone's copy of OpenComputers, thoughts?
L37[02:45:19] <CompanionCube> native code is a PITA to decompile
L38[02:45:38] <CompanionCube> were they lazy and didn't bother to strip the .so?
L39[02:48:07] * CompanionCube would initially assume good-faith unless something sticks out when poking at the native
L40[02:48:49] <CompanionCube> Izaya: you know, i haven't tried out ghidra yet...
L41[02:49:17] <Izaya> The NSA RE tool?
L42[02:49:24] <CompanionCube> yep
L43[02:51:11] <CompanionCube> also, i wonder if javac is deterministic wrt .class output
L44[02:52:51] <CompanionCube> https://dzone.com/articles/reproducible-builds-in-java suggests it is
L45[02:53:14] <CompanionCube> so if you were assuming good faith it's plausible if unlikely that they built the mod from source.
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L47[02:54:45] <CompanionCube> payonel: ^ (also strings tends to reveal what external functions a ELF file uses, so Izaya's suggestion is a good idea.)
L48[02:57:09] <bauen1> payonel: is the modified native available for download somewhere ?
L49[02:57:32] <bauen1> and if your concerned about your server, there's tools like chkrootkit and stuff
L50[02:58:14] <bauen1> actually, having the real and fake for download would be nice
L51[02:58:54] * CompanionCube approves
L52[02:58:55] <bauen1> there's also a tool called diffoscope on debian that can help show the differences
L53[02:59:37] <bauen1> (and don't run 'ldd' on something you believe to be of evil origin, since that will more or less run the binary)
L54[03:00:28] <payonel> bauen1: diffoscope? sounds cool, i'll give it a look
L55[03:00:33] <payonel> i'll share both files, in a min
L56[03:00:52] <Forecaster> %sip random
L57[03:00:52] <MichiBot> You drink a liquid strawberry potion (New!). Forecaster recovers some mana.
L58[03:01:04] <Forecaster> woo strawberry mana
L59[03:02:52] <CompanionCube> bauen1: can't execute a .so, though
L60[03:03:16] <CompanionCube> but that's a little surprising bit of the manpag3
L61[03:03:33] <bauen1> ldd will still load the .so and might execute some parts of it
L62[03:03:53] <bauen1> or rather it will put the ld through linuxs loader and then try to figure out what is linked / was loaded
L63[03:04:44] <CompanionCube> are we talking stuff like the ELF magics from PoC||GTFO
L64[03:05:07] <CompanionCube> bauen1: indeed, i saw that bit
L65[03:05:23] <CompanionCube> (Although it also mentions that a new-enough glibc may not do this.)
L66[03:06:07] <bauen1> well on every system i've seen so var, ldd is just a shell script that literally invokes the binary
L67[03:06:14] <bauen1> s/var/far/
L68[03:06:14] <MichiBot> <bauen1> well on every system i've seen so far, ldd is just a shell script that literally invokes the binary
L69[03:12:48] <payonel> https://cloud.pig64.com/index.php/s/7Ia5MqmSxlDZLIj
L70[03:18:46] <bauen1> oh boy those are not anywhere nearly the same
L71[03:20:54] <ben_mkiv> didnt he run them anyways before?
L72[03:22:32] <CompanionCube> bauen1: the size difference...well
L73[03:24:15] <CompanionCube> good news: strings reveals it likely does include some version of a lua interpreter and stuff.
L74[03:24:21] <bauen1> it does
L75[03:25:07] <payonel> cool - i saw that as well
L76[03:25:13] <payonel> and it does run the lua machines :)
L77[03:25:22] <CompanionCube> payonel: btw your dnssec is b0rk
L78[03:25:36] <payonel> how so?
L79[03:25:46] <bauen1> the fake one has been compiled on a much newer debian system with a much newer gcc, without debug and probably with more optimisations applied
L80[03:25:54] <CompanionCube> unbound complains about one of the parent domains
L81[03:27:21] <CompanionCube> goddammit it appeaes everything is now b0rk on that pi
L82[03:27:33] <CompanionCube> (As in, every domain)
L83[03:27:43] <payonel> CompanionCube: why do you feel compelled to inspect?
L84[03:28:00] <CompanionCube> payonel: because unbound issues servfail when it happens :p
L85[03:28:15] <payonel> why are you running unbound on it?
L86[03:29:34] <CompanionCube> because it works well as a local DNS resolver
L87[03:30:26] <CompanionCube> (also allows to redirect queries for just one private TLD elsewhere)
L88[03:31:16] <payonel> CompanionCube: i dont know what you are saying is wrong with my site
L89[03:31:29] <CompanionCube> payonel: let me check
L90[03:32:30] <CompanionCube> works now, must've cached bad data at some point between last use and now
L91[03:42:58] <CompanionCube> payonel: at least there's no obvious trace of malice, and no obvious differences in what the shared libraries use
L92[03:43:34] <payonel> just curiously, there versions causes oc to hang+crash when returning certains table sets from component callbacks
L93[03:44:35] <CompanionCube> perhaps an optimization is causing things to go awry?
L94[03:44:42] <payonel> perhaps
L95[03:45:07] <payonel> it is odd to me that someone would rebuild that file alone, and then bundle the oc jar with the same name as our official release
L96[03:45:13] <CompanionCube> see above
L97[03:45:35] <CompanionCube> if javac is deterministic there's no way of knowing if they rebuilt the other files.
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L99[03:46:02] <payonel> there are a plethora of natives, and the oc project doesn't build the natives
L100[03:46:11] <payonel> they would have had to rebuild that native specifically
L101[03:46:21] <payonel> and no other native was rebuilt
L102[03:46:32] <CompanionCube> hm, that is definitely weird.
L103[03:46:42] <payonel> anyways, perhaps no malice
L104[03:46:58] <payonel> perhaps an attempt to make oc faster, optimizing the lua natives build
L105[03:47:03] <payonel> quite possibly
L106[03:47:15] <CompanionCube> yeah, i was going to suggest that too
L107[03:47:36] <payonel> i just don't like that whoever did that, bundled oc with that pack naming it: OpenComputers-MC1.12.2-1.7.4.153.jar
L108[03:48:15] <CompanionCube> maybe they didn't want to rebuild everything so just repacked the jar?
L109[03:48:30] <payonel> yeah, perhaps. but i would rename the jar
L110[03:49:19] <payonel> %tell agris turns out you have a custom build of oc. not made by us. if you remove the OpenComputers jar from your pack, and replace it with an official build, your bug goes away
L111[03:49:20] <MichiBot> payonel: agris will be notified of this message when next seen.
L112[03:50:56] <CompanionCube> if it is the compiler then at least that's easy to reproduce
L113[03:51:59] <bauen1> the compiler version and debian version is in the .info section, so it might be possible to compile a native with less differences (probably with -O3 and no -g)
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L117[04:37:41] <Saphire> Weeeeeeeeee
L118[04:37:48] <Saphire> I updated my site uwu
L119[04:37:55] <Saphire> Made a little page https://saphi.re/projects/
L120[04:42:55] <Forecaster> dammit
L121[04:43:04] <Forecaster> almost get me trapped reading Freefall >:
L122[04:48:24] <Saphire> Muahahaha
L123[04:48:35] <Saphire> It's an evil page
L124[04:49:27] <Saphire> Hmph, spams history though c.c
L125[04:50:54] <Forecaster> what history?
L126[04:52:44] <Saphire> Browser history
L127[04:52:54] <Saphire> ... Just like reading the comic does <.<
L128[04:53:08] <Forecaster> it doesn't show up in history for me
L129[04:54:36] <Forecaster> oh wait, yeah it does, in the actual history tab
L130[04:57:32] <bauen1> @Saphire that is a nice comic page
L131[04:58:17] <Saphire> Yeah, it's a nice comic by itself
L132[04:58:18] <bauen1> %tonkout
L133[04:58:19] <MichiBot> Sard! bauen1! You beat Ariri's previous record of 5 hours, 40 minutes and 53 seconds (By 33 minutes and 12 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L134[04:58:20] <MichiBot> bauen1 has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! plus 0.005 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.04482
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L141[05:59:18] <Inari> .
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L144[06:43:44] <Forecaster> %sip random
L145[06:43:45] <MichiBot> You drink a dull amethyst potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a lizard crocodile boy.
L146[06:44:01] <Forecaster> that's a bit redundant
L147[07:23:30] <Inari> I find it interesting theres no ASMR stores yet. Seems like a market gap
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L150[08:22:03] <t20kdc> %sip random
L151[08:22:03] <MichiBot> You drink a resonating diamond potion (New!). t20kdc grows a mustache.
L152[08:22:11] <t20kdc> ...oh no, not again.
L153[08:27:37] <Bob> %drink random
L154[08:27:38] <MichiBot> You drink a solid radiation potion (New!). After the first sip the potion poofs away.
L155[08:27:50] <Bob> Oh no
L156[08:27:52] <Izaya> rather short half-life
L157[08:28:03] <Forecaster> maybe oh yes, since it was radiation
L158[08:30:53] <AmandaC> Inari: what would an ASMR store sell?
L159[08:34:47] <bauen1> @Saphire that is a nice comic page
L160[08:34:55] <bauen1> and you've ruined my productivity
L161[08:35:09] <Saphire> C:
L162[08:35:27] <Saphire> You have already saif that it is nice~
L163[08:38:34] <t20kdc> maybe if I sip another one the mustache will go away
L164[08:38:35] <t20kdc> %sip random
L165[08:38:35] <MichiBot> You drink a ripe metal potion (New!). t20kdc feels slightly slower.
L166[08:38:43] <t20kdc> MichiBot hates me
L167[08:39:10] <bauen1> right i meant to replace the text
L168[08:39:16] <bauen1> but the enter key was easier to hit
L169[08:43:31] <Inari> AmandaC: ASMR services
L170[08:44:00] * AmandaC stares blankly at Inari
L171[08:44:01] <Inari> "After the first sip"
L172[08:44:04] <Inari> So Izaya is dead now
L173[08:44:11] <Inari> AmandaC: What? D:
L174[08:44:18] <Izaya> Inari: ???
L175[08:44:32] <Inari> Izaya: If it has such a short half life it is /EXTREMELY/ radioactive
L176[08:44:34] <Inari> So you're dead
L177[08:44:49] <Izaya> that makes sense
L178[08:44:50] <Izaya> carry on
L179[08:44:54] <Forecaster> you mean bob
L180[08:45:00] <Inari> Oh
L181[08:45:01] <Forecaster> bob drank the radiation potion
L182[08:45:01] <Inari> Yes, Bob
L183[08:45:02] <Inari> :P
L184[08:45:08] <Inari> @Bob my condolences
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L186[08:45:12] <Izaya> pretty much anyone in the channel tbh if it's so radioactive
L187[08:45:17] <Inari> Haha
L188[08:45:18] <Inari> Probably
L189[08:47:10] <AmandaC> oh dear. "Firefighters respond to <local> post office"
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L192[09:07:55] <Inari> AmandaC/ payonel: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/309526717398122496/591978678641229854/65117079_2311374479190231_8786825560820023296_n.png
L193[09:08:10] <AmandaC> Inari: catloaf. :3
L194[09:09:24] <bauen1> Izaya: btw your vt100 implementation breaks as soon as it comes across an invalid or unsupported escape sequence
L195[09:09:37] <Izaya> I should investigate this.
L196[09:09:47] * Izaya adds to list
L197[09:09:53] <bauen1> ie. io.write("Hello\27 world!\n")
L198[09:10:05] <AmandaC> What's the `wc -l` on that list, Izaya? :P
L199[09:11:00] <Izaya> 24
L200[09:11:20] <AmandaC> not too bad
L201[09:11:26] <Izaya> I have a month break in my course presently so I intend to get most of them done
L202[09:19:18] <Izaya> https://0x0.st/z2HB.jpg
L203[09:19:54] <Forecaster> dinoboat
L204[09:21:56] <Izaya> https://0x0.st/z2H_.jpg
L205[09:22:24] <Lizzy> a fire inside what looks to be a wooden hut, totally safe
L206[09:22:25] <Forecaster> that fire seems a bit unsafe
L207[09:22:38] <Forecaster> I presume that is inside the boat
L208[09:22:44] <Izaya> yup!
L209[09:22:51] <Izaya> though you've just made me consider adding a chimney
L210[09:22:52] <Izaya> nice! :D
L211[09:23:15] <Forecaster> well, the fire is surrounded by rocks, so it is up to code
L212[09:33:01] <Izaya> Forecaster: 4u https://0x0.st/z2HJ.jpg
L213[09:33:20] <Forecaster> nice
L214[09:37:17] <Izaya> tis complete https://0x0.st/z2HB.jpg
L215[09:40:21] <Inari> Whats that
L216[09:40:37] <Inari> Ark?
L217[09:40:43] <Izaya> yeah
L218[09:40:46] <Inari> Ah
L219[09:41:00] <Inari> I've considered trying Rust. Ark seems similar, but I'm not sure I like the dino theme
L220[09:41:21] <Izaya> official PvP will make you want to die on both
L221[09:41:27] <Izaya> but yes ARK is basically rust with dinosaurs
L222[09:41:45] <Inari> Haha
L223[09:42:00] <Inari> Yeah, while the PvP aspect seems kinda interesting, in practice it feels like it would make it infuriating to play
L224[09:42:27] <Inari> Welyn's vids are realtively fun to watch though
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L226[09:51:39] <Inari 『 おにいでれ 』> :f http://tinyurl.com/yxz645g8
L227[09:52:45] <AmandaC> Inari: wehre the fuck do you find these atrocities?
L228[09:52:52] <Inari> xD
L229[09:52:54] <Inari> Steam forums
L230[09:53:00] <AmandaC> ah, that explains it
L231[10:08:33] <bad at vijya> Izaya: Could I have a link to your vt100 implementation?
L232[10:08:58] <Izaya> https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/Embedded/vt100.lua
L233[10:09:32] <bad at vijya> Thanks!
L234[10:13:32] <Izaya> bauen1: now that I'm looking at it I'm seeing a few bugs, thanks
L235[10:16:20] <bauen1> vt100 is somewhat nice to use, but somewhat of a pain to implement
L236[10:20:05] <bauen1> Izaya: btw did you try to implement telnet to real world machines ?
L237[10:20:12] <Izaya> nah
L238[10:20:21] <bauen1> if you implement enough of vt100 you should be able to actually use ncurses apps
L239[10:20:34] <Izaya> just in-game ones
L240[10:23:12] <Kodos> %tonk
L241[10:23:14] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Kodos! You beat bauen1's previous record of <0 (By 5 hours, 24 minutes and 53 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L242[10:23:15] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 5 hours, 24 minutes and 53 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.00541 tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L243[10:24:07] <Bob> Ms.Inari i don't feel so good
L244[10:25:12] <Lizzy> welll shit
L245[10:25:32] <Lizzy> just erased the partition table of the wrong drive.....
L246[10:27:07] <Bob> Welcome
L247[10:30:19] <Lizzy> AHA
L248[10:30:24] <Lizzy> think i got it back....
L249[10:31:49] <Lizzy> YES
L250[10:31:50] <Lizzy> phew
L251[10:33:05] <Lizzy> top tip, always double-check what you're performing actions on
L252[10:34:57] <Forecaster> especially if you're a sugreon
L253[10:35:03] <Forecaster> especially if you're a surgeon [Edited]
L254[10:43:06] <Inari> s/sur/stur/
L255[10:43:06] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> especially if you're a sturgeon [Edited]
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L257[11:21:02] <Lizzy> root drive if you could like, not run out of space before i can free some up that'd be nice
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L260[11:27:34] <Lizzy> hmm, yay shit broke
L261[11:32:34] <Saphire> Aw?
L262[11:32:44] <Saphire> Ow
L263[11:33:15] <Lizzy> i think the ssd i was copying stuff to randomly disconnected, now the kernel doesn't want to know about it and so i can't do stuff properly
L264[11:33:50] <Saphire> uh oh
L265[11:33:59] <Saphire> ...drives disconnecting and not reappearing is bad
L266[11:34:16] <Lizzy> it's fine, i was only doing a copy and not a move and it's not yet an important drive
L267[11:34:57] <Lizzy> idk if it was the drive or this usb3 enclosure just crapped out with me copying my steam library to the drive in it
L268[11:41:12] <bauen1> look at dmesg and it will probably tell you what to blame
L269[11:42:17] <Lizzy> something happened with the drive and now btrfs is having issues cause it can't access the drive
L270[11:43:09] <Saphire> Nightmare scenario:
L271[11:43:20] <Saphire> win10 automatically formats unknown drives
L272[11:44:30] <bauen1> oh it also loves to format filesystems it doesn't know
L273[11:44:51] <Saphire> ...wait wait it actually does it?
L274[11:45:15] <bauen1> only if you click yes
L275[11:45:22] <bauen1> but it will ask you the second you plug the drive in
L276[11:45:43] <bauen1> someday someone will accidentally format my multiboot usb driver, that's gonna be fun
L277[11:51:07] <Lizzy> one thing windows will do automatically during updates sometimes is wipe the ESP it uses and then updates stuff. so if you're dualbooting keep your linux ESP seperate from Windows' one
L278[11:51:59] <bauen1> just keep windows in a nice little sandbox where it can't do much bad and use a proper operating system ...
L279[11:52:41] <Lizzy> i generally use linux exclusively these days
L280[11:53:21] <Lizzy> but i had issues in the past with my old laptop where i'd need to re-set up refind because at the time i had linux on a seperate partition
L281[11:53:45] <bauen1> oh macos / linux dual boot is a joy
L282[11:53:55] <bauen1> especially when macos updates and decides it's the only thing worth booting to
L283[11:56:00] <Lizzy> windows used to do that, it'd put it's boot entry first. can't exactly remember how i stopped it from doing that. I think a combination of giving linux it's own drive and ESP and also adding a password to the bios
L284[11:56:41] <bad at vijya> so
L285[11:56:52] <bad at vijya> i had a fun experience with an optiplex gx270
L286[11:57:23] <Izaya> god I hate those
L287[11:57:31] <Izaya> and by hate I mean am ambivalent towards
L288[12:07:10] <Z0idburg> bauen1 When I got handed a macbook at my last job it lasted 5 minutes then I wiped the disk and single booted FreeBSD on it
L289[12:07:37] <Z0idburg> and I just used FreeBSD on it for the time I was there.
L290[12:20:38] <Ariri> Mmm yes I love when it takes 4 hours to install a DE
L291[12:20:52] <Z0idburg> WMs dude
L292[12:20:56] <Z0idburg> don't use DEs
L293[12:21:15] <Ariri> Too late for that and plus I’m not gonna DD it
L294[12:21:44] <Ariri> Its just for working on stuff I can’t do on windows until I get comfortable enough for it
L295[12:24:11] <Z0idburg> you're doing it wrong
L296[12:24:54] <Ariri> ?
L297[12:25:54] <Zef> Anybody know what'll cause Jei to show 8 ingots instead of 1 in recipies
L298[12:27:07] <Z0idburg> When I first started using *nix, it was Linux, and I had to figure out how to connect to the Internet. That meant finding firmware installing drivers etc
L299[12:27:39] <Z0idburg> in fact the FIRST time I did actually I had to figure out on my own how to even use everything from command line
L300[12:27:46] <Z0idburg> and I didn't have an Internet connection then
L301[12:27:54] <Z0idburg> somehow I figured out some of the commands and went from there, not sure how
L302[12:28:09] <Z0idburg> it was many many years ago
L303[12:28:09] <Izaya> when I first started with x86 it was solaris and it just werked
L304[12:28:14] <Izaya> came with GNOME 2 and CDE
L305[12:28:18] <Z0idburg> OH IZAYA
L306[12:28:22] <Z0idburg> you should see my ride
L307[12:28:24] <Ariri> @Zef What pack? I had a similar issue in another pack that showed 63
L308[12:28:29] <Z0idburg> I'm driving a 1985 CJ7
L309[12:28:38] <Z0idburg> it's blue and I got the doors and top off this morning
L310[12:28:59] <Izaya> I don't know too much about them but it looks alright
L311[12:29:02] <Z0idburg> If I had a way of taking a picture I would
L312[12:29:14] <Z0idburg> http://tinyurl.com/y3xqnyme
L313[12:29:14] <Z0idburg> Yeah like this one
L314[12:29:15] <Zef> It's a custom pack
L315[12:29:42] <Z0idburg> probably would do really well in australia off road
L316[12:29:43] <Zef> It's interfering with the way refined storage autocrafts
L317[12:29:50] <Z0idburg> you think?
L318[12:29:51] <Ariri> yeah thats what mine did
L319[12:29:59] <Zef> Saying I need like 300 ingots to craft something simple
L320[12:30:10] <Ariri> and then theyd never come back
L321[12:30:23] <Z0idburg> going to grab lunch
L322[12:30:26] <Ariri> my bet is its refined storafe, heard it gets buggy the more recipes u use
L323[12:30:36] <Ariri> try using the rf tools crafter if u have it
L324[12:30:52] <Ariri> it may be slower and take more room but it could owkr
L325[12:30:54] <Ariri> work
L326[12:31:26] <Ariri> oof ill be back letting my DE reinstall bc my ssh timed out, @ me if u need me
L327[12:33:22] * Izaya gives Ariri tmux
L328[12:34:02] <bauen1> @Z0idburg i'm on linux only since 1.4 years now
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L330[12:36:35] * Lizzy wishes there was an easy way to use mosh with Bastion hosts
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L332[12:39:57] <Lizzy> hmm, though probably some form of VPN would be better for that kind of thing and then just use mosh over that...
L333[12:40:02] * Lizzy adds it to her todo list
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L336[12:44:19] <bad at vijya> man i just
L337[12:44:31] <bad at vijya> i have the most finicky computer
L338[12:44:38] <bad at vijya> an optiplex gx270
L339[12:44:47] <bad at vijya> which, for some reason
L340[12:44:55] <bad at vijya> hates existing
L341[12:46:45] <Lizzy> hmm, okay my system also seems to be incapable of waiting till it has a network connection before attempting to mount nfs shares -_-
L342[12:47:28] <bad at vijya> my optiplex doesn't like storage mediums
L343[12:49:42] <Izaya> it is
L344[12:49:45] <Izaya> ...
L345[12:49:47] <Izaya> 4 AM
L346[12:49:49] <Izaya> fuck me
L347[12:51:41] * Lizzy sighs
L348[12:52:08] <Lizzy> okay, this usb3 sata drive enclosure cannot handle large quantities of data at once...
L349[12:52:33] <Lizzy> yup, it's locked up again
L350[12:53:40] * Lizzy sighs
L351[12:53:57] <Bob> 19:53
L352[12:53:59] <Bob> smh
L353[12:54:03] <Vexatos> in other news, selene now supports broadcast calls, yet another feature stolen from julia, using the only ascii character that was left I think
L354[12:55:05] <Lizzy> lets go reboot again and in the mean time i'll decide how i want to connect this drive
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L356[13:02:51] <Lizzy> hmm, okay to get to the sata ports on my board i need to take the gpus out and both of them are quite toasty at the moment so i'ma have to let them cool down for a bit
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L358[13:10:42] <Inari> AmandaC / payonel: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/344256550640287755/592051233909374996/0859b8e46ecab4cdd895336850ea4edfcbb941113c21c1ec749f62569bfa5806_1.jpg2.jpg?width=677&height=677
L359[13:18:35] <Bob> ^
L360[13:18:40] <Bob> Accurate
L361[13:31:00] <Inari> Wow
L362[13:31:05] <Inari> Arks normal price is 54 Euros?
L363[13:31:09] <Inari> Who pays that much for it
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L368[13:59:32] <Z0idburg> I got rained out big time at lunch time
L369[13:59:47] <Z0idburg> it was sunny and warm and the wind was blowing
L370[13:59:52] <Z0idburg> I had my top and doors off of the car
L371[13:59:57] <Z0idburg> then, all of a sudden...
L372[14:00:14] <Z0idburg> There I am on the road feeling rain on my head
L373[14:06:02] <bauen1> Lizzy: maybe the usb3 enclosure can't handle the power requirements of the ssd / your usb port doesn't provide power ?
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L375[14:09:17] <Z0idburg> I would highly doubt that
L376[14:09:25] <Z0idburg> the first part of that
L377[14:09:28] <Z0idburg> that wouldn't be to spec
L378[14:09:48] <Z0idburg> power consumption of an SSD is far below even a USB2 power output
L379[14:13:19] <Lizzian> it's not power consumption, it's connected to a powered dock
L380[14:13:48] <Lizzian> it might have been heat related with the controller, i don't think i've ever done massively fast transfers to it before
L381[14:14:13] <Lizzian> i've always done hdd -> ssd in the past. this time it was an NVMe SSD to an SSD
L382[14:22:13] <Z0idburg> if you can afford the replacements I think SSDs are great for disk block cacheing
L383[14:22:23] <Z0idburg> which is what I am going to experiment with on my OVH dedi
L384[14:23:29] <Z0idburg> thankfully the number of writes on an SSD before they start losing sectors is actually extremely high regardless what people day
L385[14:23:31] <Z0idburg> say*
L386[14:23:50] <Z0idburg> and with the proper cacheing drivers you can do distributed sector cacheing on disk
L387[14:23:59] <Z0idburg> so that you wear out the disk evenly
L388[14:25:30] <Z0idburg> besides what most people don't know is that the quality of the modern SSDs are actually able to last longer than mechanical drives now in many situations
L389[14:26:02] <Z0idburg> they aren't like what they were 10 years ago
L390[14:26:41] <bauen1> if you can afford ssds that is
L391[14:27:53] <Forecaster> I've yet to buy a single SSD
L392[14:28:12] <Forecaster> maybe next overhaul I should do that
L393[14:31:44] <Lizzian> @Z0idburg my home server uses bcache to do just that. I have a 240GB SSD as the cache and a 3TB hdd as the backing store
L394[14:32:05] <Z0idburg> works well?
L395[14:32:10] <Lizzian> seems to yeah
L396[14:32:20] <Z0idburg> I want to use it with a SAN
L397[14:32:28] <Z0idburg> so that I can cache blocks from an iscsi SAN
L398[14:32:33] <Lizzian> i don't have enough data / don't use it enough though to see if it's actually being benificial
L399[14:32:48] <Forecaster> https://youtu.be/-j2wupurm4s
L400[14:32:49] <MichiBot> Playable Minecraft in a Chest | length: 6m 55s | Likes: 18,747 Dislikes: 183 Views: 170,208 | by SethBling | Published On 22/6/2019
L401[14:32:58] <Z0idburg> this way I can store Minecraft worlds on a remote SAN over the network
L402[14:33:05] <Z0idburg> and common blocks will just be local
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L404[14:34:33] <Lizzian> i would use some form of SSD-based caching for my dedi, but it's only useful if you have lots of smaller files. my dedi is mainly just a hypervisor and stores the full disk files either on the hdd array or ssd array
L405[14:36:45] <Lizzian> my ideal plan would be to have the VM disks on some form of SAN device and then have two or more hypervisor servers for load balancing / redundancy purposes
L406[14:37:17] <Lizzian> i do currently have the money for it, but that's only because i'm still living with my dad
L407[14:38:05] <Lizzian> i'd need to find a new job that pays better before i can move out or i'd need to stop a lot of the things i do
L408[14:39:36] <Lizzian> i think i'ma wait till after the summer to start looking for new jobs, but i'll probably also step up the searching around the end of this year / start of next year
L409[14:50:16] <Z0idburg> Do you have a degree?
L410[14:51:35] <Lizzian> not that i know of
L411[14:51:44] <Z0idburg> I went to college because I had no money, and then went to work in the field because I had no money
L412[14:51:45] <Z0idburg> XD
L413[14:51:49] <Forecaster> maybe you have a ninja degree
L414[14:52:02] <Z0idburg> I got my associates and half a couple of engineering degrees
L415[14:52:16] <Z0idburg> and I may be paying them off but I don't regret it
L416[14:56:53] <Lizzian> okay, trying to put this SSD in my pc might be a bit of a challange
L417[14:59:25] <Lizzian> i could swap out the other Sata SSD i have in it at the moment since that's not always mounted (it's my pc's one for the non-vm'd windows)
L418[14:59:38] <bauen1> payonel: OpenOS's handleing of \027[(%d+)[ABCD] should be changed to \027[(%d*)[ABCD] with the number defaulting to 1
L419[15:03:30] <Lizzian> hmm, so spotify's android app updated and now there doesn't seem to be an easy way to see all my saved songs ffs
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L421[15:07:00] <AmandaC> I decided to just start downloading + buying my music instead of streaming it.
L422[15:09:17] <Lizzian> i did do that a while back, but i always listen to a varying amount of stuff these days that streaming it is a little bit more convenient for me
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L424[15:24:30] <payonel> bauen1: i'll fix that
L425[15:30:49] * payonel pokes agris
L426[15:33:04] <Lizzian> yay, i have no video output right now -_-
L427[15:33:19] <payonel> with your new laptop?
L428[15:33:48] <Lizzian> no, my desktop
L429[15:33:52] <Lizzian> i'm on my laptop right now
L430[15:34:12] <Lizzian> all i did was swap an ssd over...
L431[15:34:21] <Lizzian> and linux can see my vega...
L432[15:34:29] <Lizzian> but the bios doesn't display shit
L433[15:37:07] <Lizzian> and of course i fucked up the ioshield when installing my motherboard into this case so now there's a small bit of metal in the way of the onboard hdmi port -_-
L434[15:39:28] <bauen1> @Lizzian a flex saw can solve a lot of issues
L435[15:39:36] <Lizzian> -_-
L436[15:39:50] <Lizzian> ?
L437[15:39:50] <bauen1> vt100 support is coming along (now supporting arrow keys) https://i.imgur.com/f9jF6in.png
L438[15:39:54] <bauen1> %tonk
L439[15:39:54] <MichiBot> I'm sorry bauen1, you were not able to beat Kodos's record of 5 hours, 24 minutes and 53 seconds this time. 5 hours, 16 minutes and 41 seconds were wasted! Missed by 8 minutes and 12 seconds!
L440[15:39:56] <Lizzian> okay, think i might have something
L441[15:40:32] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/8KJpqsf.png well my DE aint loading either smh, all i see is this
L442[15:40:49] <Lizzy> i have one screen working...
L443[15:40:50] <Ariri> maybe it bc im running it off a slow ass usb but idk
L444[15:41:19] <Ariri> whats the issue
L445[15:41:22] <Ariri> bios?
L446[15:41:28] <Lizzy> i have no idea
L447[15:41:37] <Lizzy> think my vega is having a bit of a fit
L448[15:41:46] <Lizzy> does xrandr see the other two displays...
L449[15:42:10] <Ariri> vega or vga
L450[15:42:13] <Lizzy> aha, got one
L451[15:42:14] <Lizzy> Vega
L452[15:42:18] <Lizzy> as in Vega64
L453[15:42:43] <Lizzy> okay, i now have two displays
L454[15:43:02] <Ariri> try a driver reinstall? or maybe some appliation settings
L455[15:43:24] <Lizzy> the driver is baked into the kernel
L456[15:43:39] <Ariri> duuudeee remind be never to install linux on a shit usb again
L457[15:43:42] <Ariri> oh
L458[15:43:56] <Lizzy> lemme go shuffle the display port connections again, should get the third back to function
L459[15:44:51] <Lizzy> well
L460[15:45:11] <Lizzy> did a wiggle now xrandr can only see 1 monitor dispite it still working with 2
L461[15:45:24] <Lizzy> yay for technology
L462[15:45:39] <bauen1> You can install linux on a shitty usb drive just fine, even debian with root on the usb, just have to tune a few settings and now have too many expectations about performance (but a crappy usb1 linux would still outperform win10 on the hdd laptops at school)
L463[15:45:56] <Lizzy> nvm
L464[15:46:01] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/O0HsxN2.gifv
L465[15:46:01] <Lizzy> lost the second screen again
L466[15:46:13] <Ariri> it takes bloody forever to do anything
L467[15:46:15] <Lizzy> xrandr is so confused
L468[15:46:17] <Ariri> the speed
L469[15:46:44] <Bob> Hard drive .exe is not responding
L470[15:47:01] <Ariri> took 3 min to load the desktop
L471[15:47:54] <bauen1> @Ariri make sure to have /tmp as a tmpfs and mount everything on the usb with discard and noatime / relatime and commit=900 or something like that
L472[15:48:19] <ben_mkiv> so you run arch in virtualbox? oO
L473[15:48:26] <Ariri> uhhhh
L474[15:48:30] <bauen1> also i would recommend a light desktop environment like xfce for installing on a usb
L475[15:48:35] <payonel> Inari: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61hqrMI0UKL._SX522_.jpg
L476[15:48:37] <Lizzian> yay, lost everything again
L477[15:48:42] <Ariri> never used linux before dude, gonna need a few tutorials to figure that out
L478[15:48:56] <ben_mkiv> get sure all the virtualization features are enabled, my mainboard had them disabled in the bios by default
L479[15:49:01] <ben_mkiv> vtd and whatever
L480[15:49:03] <Lizzian> i wonder if these displayport to dvi cables are shit
L481[15:49:04] <bauen1> are you installing arch without having used linux before ?
L482[15:49:19] <Ariri> yeah im running 64 bit so i have to have virtualization
L483[15:49:24] <Ariri> you betcha i am
L484[15:49:27] <Z0idburg> My first distribution was Slackware
L485[15:49:27] <Ariri> no clue what im doing
L486[15:49:35] <Z0idburg> I highly recommend it for a beginner that wants to learn
L487[15:49:45] <Ariri> well i used ubunti for 5 min if that counts for anything
L488[15:49:50] <Ariri> like when i was 9
L489[15:49:58] <bauen1> that's a bit like jumping down a cliff in a wingsuit and figureing out how everything works on the way down, i like your approach to learning
L490[15:50:00] <Z0idburg> I only mentor people with supreme dedication
L491[15:50:01] <ben_mkiv> my first distribution was suse 5.2
L492[15:50:04] <ben_mkiv> for like 2 days
L493[15:50:10] <Z0idburg> the rest can go somewhere and become ubuntians
L494[15:50:14] <ben_mkiv> until i gave up because i couldnt get the ps2 mouse working
L495[15:50:19] <bauen1> @Ariri arch wiki on mount options / fstab will tell you how to change that stuff
L496[15:50:31] <Ariri> okay
L497[15:50:36] <bauen1> and just really install xfce4 if your on a usb drive
L498[15:50:47] <Z0idburg> robots shouldn't be robots
L499[15:50:54] <Z0idburg> humans should be able to robot
L500[15:50:58] <bad at vijya> so
L501[15:51:03] <bad at vijya> guess what
L502[15:51:07] <Ariri> its not the DE thats rly the problem, its a fault usb, does 100 read and only 12 write
L503[15:51:13] <bad at vijya> i kinda forgot about zorya v2 again
L504[15:51:20] <Ariri> i thought it would do for now but guess not
L505[15:51:24] <bad at vijya> l m a o
L506[15:51:25] <bauen1> well if the DE is a bit bloaty that causes extra problems
L507[15:51:47] <Ariri> i read kde plasma was okay tho
L508[15:51:50] <Ariri> oh well
L509[15:51:54] <Ariri> took a day to install
L510[15:52:07] <bauen1> https://www.archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/xfce4/ (optionally https://www.archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/xfce4-goodies/)
L511[15:52:46] <bauen1> if you're carefull about shutting down before pulling the usb, disableing journaling could ensure a longer lifetime of the usb and improve performance
L512[15:52:48] <bad at vijya> yo what about cinnamon
L513[15:52:58] <bauen1> > a real desktop environment
L514[15:53:24] <Ariri> the usb is temporary i hope, looking for a new one
L515[15:53:38] <Lizzian> okay yeah, these displayport to dvi cables are shit
L516[15:53:44] <bauen1> actually cinammon seems quite light so that might be a good option too
L517[15:53:44] <bad at vijya> oh yeah disable journaling and atime
L518[15:53:48] <bauen1> ^
L519[15:54:08] <bad at vijya> i disabled atime on my SSD linux install
L520[15:54:33] <bad at vijya> iirc you have to add `noatime, nodiratime` to the mount args
L521[15:55:38] <Lizzy> okay, back to one monitor now
L522[15:56:02] <bad at vijya> anyways
L523[15:56:15] <bad at vijya> i had a great idea for my OS in OC, since i got lazy with making my own filesystem
L524[15:56:24] <bad at vijya> why don't i make a discount ext2 :^)
L525[15:56:54] <Corded> * <Lizzian> sighs
L526[15:57:37] <Ariri> if i install xfce, what happens to kde
L527[15:57:45] <bad at vijya> wot
L528[15:57:52] <bad at vijya> it's not that dumb
L529[15:58:01] <bad at vijya> also kde will stay installed
L530[15:58:07] <bad at vijya> wait what distro are you using
L531[15:58:11] <Ariri> arch
L532[15:58:13] <bauen1> the login manager will usually allow you to change the de
L533[15:58:17] <bad at vijya> oh
L534[15:58:29] <Ariri> ok just checking
L535[15:58:57] <Ariri> what the f*ck
L536[15:59:09] <Ariri> i rebooted and uefi is gone again
L537[15:59:18] <Ariri> fuck this
L538[15:59:29] <Ariri> grub*
L539[15:59:56] <payonel> Lizzy: glad you got something
L540[16:00:12] <bad at vijya> you can remove kde with `sudo pacman -Rucs plasma-desktop`
L541[16:00:15] <bad at vijya> iirc
L542[16:00:33] <Ariri> doesnt matter now, its gone or sometihing
L543[16:00:38] <Ariri> ugh
L544[16:00:42] <Lizzian> payonel well, i now have the second screen again but not the first
L545[16:00:43] <bad at vijya> that removes uneeded deps, things that depend on plasma, and unneded packages
L546[16:00:45] <Ariri> i didnt even do anything
L547[16:00:47] <bad at vijya> *uneeded
L548[16:00:49] <payonel> heh
L549[16:00:52] <bad at vijya> also welcome to UEFI
L550[16:01:15] <Ariri> i just rebooted it and its back uefi
L551[16:01:24] <Ariri> which is stupid
L552[16:01:33] <bad at vijya> you need to get your install image and move grub to `(efi partition)/boot/bootx64.efi`--oh
L553[16:01:48] <Lizzy> okay, got the third now working via hdmi now
L554[16:01:52] <Ariri> i did a reboot before and it went to the DE
L555[16:01:58] <Ariri> but now its miraculously gone
L556[16:02:19] <Ariri> i did the whole setup thing 3 times now
L557[16:02:30] * Lizzy sighs
L558[16:02:31] <Ariri> followed a youtube and the wiki guide
L559[16:03:27] <Ariri> great
L560[16:03:31] <bad at vijya> try moving the efi image
L561[16:03:46] <bad at vijya> it sounds dumb but it just really be like that sometimes
L562[16:04:17] <Ariri> so use my install iso and do what
L563[16:05:42] <Ariri> i dont understand why it suddenly didnt work tho
L564[16:06:01] <bad at vijya> uefi is dumb sometimes
L565[16:06:11] <Ariri> im using grub tho
L566[16:06:15] <Ariri> i followed the wiki on it
L567[16:07:00] <bad at vijya> but are you booting from UEFI or compatibility mode?
L568[16:07:20] <Ariri> uefi i think, the default bootloader
L569[16:07:27] <Ariri> bc grub is gone now
L570[16:07:28] <Ariri> again
L571[16:07:39] <bad at vijya> okay so
L572[16:07:40] <Lizzy> i don't think virtualbox has a CSM
L573[16:07:50] <bad at vijya> OH
L574[16:07:50] <Ariri> so now im in the install iso
L575[16:07:52] <bad at vijya> IT'S VIRTUALBOX
L576[16:07:57] <bad at vijya> I WISH I KNEW THIS
L577[16:08:05] <bad at vijya> so, basically
L578[16:08:09] <bad at vijya> i have no fucking clue
L579[16:08:20] <Ariri> well fuck then
L580[16:08:31] <Ariri> guess its windows only for me then
L581[16:08:52] <Lizzy> i'll see if i can help out in a bit once i've unfucked my pc
L582[16:08:52] <Ariri> i dont have time to do this a 4th time i have 20 assignments due
L583[16:09:03] <Ariri> alright
L584[16:09:22] <bad at vijya> anyways i need to go back to gutting Ext2 and making it more fit for OpenComputers
L585[16:12:31] <Lizzy> okay, display 1 is now working through my 970 but it's getting some real bad artifacting
L586[16:14:30] <bad at vijya> i remember
L587[16:14:33] <bad at vijya> at one point
L588[16:14:39] <bad at vijya> i said i was gonna make a leenoox distro
L589[16:14:43] <bad at vijya> i never got around to that
L590[16:15:21] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/2tKUjkp.png im doing something
L591[16:15:30] <Ariri> i disabled efi and did boot existind os
L592[16:17:11] <Ariri> taking a bloody while tho
L593[16:17:58] <bad at vijya> tbh i think i'm just gonna make a comfy package manager with lua
L594[16:18:11] <bad at vijya> it'll make me feel happy
L595[16:18:50] <bad at vijya> tho i do wonder how well hammer would run in linux
L596[16:18:59] <bad at vijya> i'd imagine it'd run well
L597[16:19:01] <bad at vijya> since, well
L598[16:19:03] <bad at vijya> it's hammer
L599[16:19:04] <Ariri> is talking about penetration software on this irc not allowed
L600[16:19:08] <Ariri> might ask about it later
L601[16:19:20] <bad at vijya> and hammer doesn't run on windows 10 so
L602[16:19:21] <Ariri> vijya ill take a hammer to linux rn
L603[16:19:25] <Ariri> ugh
L604[16:19:31] <Ariri> a real one
L605[16:19:31] <bad at vijya> git gud
L606[16:19:36] <bad at vijya> g i t g u d
L607[16:19:56] <Ariri> *insert angry owo here*
L608[16:20:21] <bad at vijya> so
L609[16:20:22] <Ariri> its still blinking away
L610[16:20:31] <bad at vijya> i wonder if my PC can run CSNO
L611[16:20:39] <bad at vijya> my laptop, that is
L612[16:20:44] <bad at vijya> in linux and in wangblows
L613[16:20:50] <Ariri> csgo csno
L614[16:21:05] <Lizzy> right, ordered some new displayport to hdmi cables and they'll be here tomorrow
L615[16:21:15] <CompanionCube> why were you using UEFI in virtualbox
L616[16:21:25] <CompanionCube> that's a weird place to be using UEFI
L617[16:21:32] <Lizzy> in the mean time my pc will just have to stay partially assembled
L618[16:21:48] <bad at vijya> also
L619[16:21:54] <bad at vijya> after like a month of using my current computer
L620[16:21:56] <bad at vijya> i gotta say
L621[16:21:59] <Ariri> it was a vbox setting
L622[16:22:07] <Ariri> on by default i think
L623[16:22:14] <bad at vijya> this bristol ridge APU is way more comfy than any i3
L624[16:22:15] <Ariri> it worked nonethless
L625[16:22:33] <Ariri> how long does it take to boot ffs
L626[16:22:53] <bad at vijya> mostly because gpu is not a literal potato
L627[16:23:22] <bad at vijya> anyways
L628[16:23:25] <bad at vijya> i need to go plug my PC in
L629[16:23:32] <CompanionCube> also
L630[16:23:53] <CompanionCube> installing from a VM to a USB is weird
L631[16:23:56] <bad at vijya> also btw, gallium d3d9+dxvk is godtier
L632[16:24:03] <CompanionCube> unless you were planning to boot from that USB later
L633[16:24:32] <CompanionCube> (as in, boot the USB on real hardware)
L634[16:24:38] <Ariri> i was looking to do something like that
L635[16:24:47] <Ariri> but i also wanted it bc i have to move machines sometimes
L636[16:25:17] <Ariri> and i wanna try my hand in penetration stuff later on once i get more exp in linux
L637[16:25:40] <Ariri> its still booting
L638[16:25:47] <Ariri> im gonna assume it isnt working
L639[16:26:15] <CompanionCube> rule of thumb: if your linux takes quite a few minutes to boot, something has gone very wrong
L640[16:26:21] <CompanionCube> most likely in the 'broken' sense
L641[16:26:39] <Ariri> yeah well
L642[16:26:46] <Ariri> remind me never to shut down the vm then
L643[16:26:46] <Lizzy> okay, lets see how my laptop handles VR
L644[16:27:06] <Lizzy> @Ariri never shut down the vm
L645[16:27:18] <Ariri> thanks
L646[16:27:35] <PhantomMario> hello
L647[16:27:37] <CompanionCube> the thing about VMs is you don't have to shut them down when you want to stop using them
L648[16:27:41] <PhantomMario> i have a question
L649[16:27:53] <Lizzy> ask the question
L650[16:27:53] <Ariri> yeah but i was increasing the ram to match my swap
L651[16:27:55] <CompanionCube> since it's virtual you can just dump the state somewhere on the host
L652[16:28:05] <CompanionCube> virtualbox even has good UI for it.
L653[16:28:19] <Ariri> %attack ari
L654[16:28:28] <Ariri> %attack slap Ariri
L655[16:28:28] * MichiBot slaps Ariri with cattle prods doing 5 damage
L656[16:28:40] <PhantomMario> im trying to use a mircrontroller to load a chunk but it isnt working
L657[16:28:43] <Ariri> thatll do
L658[16:28:49] <PhantomMario> its my first time using this mod
L659[16:29:01] <Lizzy> do you have the chunkloader upgrade in it?
L660[16:29:06] <PhantomMario> yes
L661[16:29:13] <Lizzy> hmm
L662[16:29:17] <PhantomMario> it keeps saying no bootable.lua
L663[16:29:22] <PhantomMario> i dont know what to do D:
L664[16:29:26] <Lizzy> oh
L665[16:29:38] <Ariri> Do u have EEPROM and Lua floppy
L666[16:29:38] <Lizzy> microcontrollers are not like normal computers
L667[16:29:46] <Ariri> nm
L668[16:29:54] <Lizzy> so you can't use the Lua BIOS EEPROM
L669[16:29:56] <Ariri> idk what im saying
L670[16:30:08] <Lizzy> you'd need to make your own EEPROM that runs it
L671[16:30:15] <PhantomMario> how
L672[16:31:02] <Lizzy> it's a bit complicated and if you've only just started playing with the mod i'd advise to start with the computer case stuff rather than a microcontroller
L673[16:32:45] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/9MfXe7Q.png does it just mean theres no MBR loader or none at all
L674[16:33:03] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/AixeQ76.png
L675[16:33:19] <Lizzy> GPT is not MBR
L676[16:33:56] <Ariri> 1st scrshot says no bootloader under mbr
L677[16:34:22] <Lizzy> i can see that
L678[16:35:09] <Lizzy> and it's because you're using a GUID Partition Table on your disk which doesn't have the same stuff as MBR disks do
L679[16:35:26] <payonel> PhantomMario: what is your end goal?
L680[16:35:39] <Ariri> so thats fine then
L681[16:35:46] <PhantomMario> to have a chunkloader XD
L682[16:35:50] <Ariri> am i just gonna have to reinstall everything
L683[16:35:57] <Bob> @PhantomMario microcontrollers can not have hard disk nor floppies so you need to put a script on the eeprom
L684[16:35:58] <Ariri> arent there better ways to have a chunkloader?^
L685[16:36:08] <Bob> and eeproms dont have any OpenOS libraries
L686[16:36:08] <PhantomMario> thats what im trying
L687[16:36:26] <Bob> you need to use another PC and flash a script that chunkloads to an eeprom
L688[16:36:58] <Bob> i dont know how chunkloader upgrade works but i sure did microcontroller EEPROM scripts
L689[16:37:01] <Lizzy> @Ariri probably, from what it sounds like you installed it in (U)EFI mode and are now trying to boot it from normal MBR/Legacy mode. you will prbably need to re-install
L690[16:37:06] <Bob> its quite tricky but possible
L691[16:37:14] <Bob> ~w custom oses
L692[16:37:14] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/tutorial:custom_oses
L693[16:37:21] <Lizzy> I would suggest something other than Arch for your first Linux Distro though
L694[16:37:26] <Ariri> i installed grub
L695[16:37:38] <Ariri> manjaro then?..
L696[16:37:56] <payonel> why use a microcontroller just for a chunkloader?
L697[16:38:01] <Ariri> ^
L698[16:38:01] <Bob> @PhantomMario read this then to flash a script on an eeprom go to a computer, place the wanted eeprom to flash in the slot then on the computer do eeprom.set(script) that will write the script to the eeprom
L699[16:38:03] <Lizzy> haven't used it myself but from what i've heard it's a bit easier to get going than straight Arch
L700[16:38:07] <payonel> i suppose they have a chunkloader upgrade in the microcontroller?
L701[16:38:12] <Bob> ^
L702[16:38:14] <Bob> probably
L703[16:38:20] <Ariri> yeah but i tend to do stuff like that
L704[16:38:24] <Bob> you can have one upgrade in a microcontroller
L705[16:38:30] <Ariri> i usually manage fine but guess not
L706[16:38:36] <Bob> OC only packs rock ?
L707[16:38:45] <payonel> you could just put this code in the eeprom then: `while true computer.pullSignal(math.huge) end` :)
L708[16:38:59] <CompanionCube> Lizzy: no need for a reinstall really
L709[16:39:02] <Ariri> Lizzy it was working fine until a 2nd rebootm thats what im confused about
L710[16:39:03] <Bob> But he needs to initialize the chunk loader
L711[16:39:11] <CompanionCube> boot from live disk, chroot, install GRUB in legacy mode, reboot
L712[16:39:18] * Lizzy shrugs
L713[16:39:24] <Ariri> i had to basically remount everything the first time
L714[16:39:35] <Lizzy> I've never had any success with grub in legacy mode
L715[16:39:35] <Ariri> like half the install
L716[16:40:50] <Ariri> http://tinyurl.com/yye54ntd
L717[16:40:53] <Ariri> is this normal?
L718[16:41:12] <CompanionCube> that is indeed the archdisk's splash screen
L719[16:41:24] <Ariri> the boot command i mean
L720[16:41:27] <Ariri> for using grub
L721[16:41:38] <Ariri> i was using a diffrent bootloader before but neither works now
L722[16:41:43] <CompanionCube> that is indeed the boot command for chainloading something else
L723[16:41:59] <Ariri> hmm ok
L724[16:42:29] <Ariri> maybe ill just make an entirely new vm then and move the vdi over later when i want a bootable
L725[16:42:33] <Ariri> or just try majaro
L726[16:42:38] <Ariri> or just try manjaro [Edited]
L727[16:42:53] <CompanionCube> manjaro is a good choice
L728[16:42:59] <CompanionCube> well, good choice for you
L729[16:43:04] <Ariri> ouch
L730[16:43:18] <CompanionCube> (there are problems, but they're irrelevant for you)
L731[16:43:52] <Z0idburg> why don't you just build your own distribution as your first Linux experience?
L732[16:43:59] <Z0idburg> you could be the next Patrick Volkerding
L733[16:44:17] <Ariri> i cant even install one properly
L734[16:44:21] <CompanionCube> obviously they should have a Trial By Fire and have the first linux install be LFS :p
L735[16:44:21] <Ariri> lol
L736[16:44:26] <Z0idburg> honestly it's not hard
L737[16:44:46] <Z0idburg> but you definitely should have *nix systems experience
L738[16:44:58] <Ariri> that i dont
L739[16:46:19] <Ariri> i know how to do everything but what i should smh
L740[16:46:35] <Z0idburg> you know how to everything you should?
L741[16:46:36] <Z0idburg> ok
L742[16:46:38] <Ariri> need some obscure thing that nobody does? regedit? some stupid gimmick? i gotchy
L743[16:46:48] <Ariri> but actual programming or linux
L744[16:46:50] <Ariri> nahhh
L745[16:46:55] <Z0idburg> you have some device that's not working properly and it's usb what do you do
L746[16:47:13] <Ariri> turn it on and off
L747[16:47:18] <Ariri> im kidding
L748[16:47:21] <Z0idburg> lol
L749[16:47:21] <Ariri> drivers or soemthing
L750[16:47:23] <Ariri> depends
L751[16:47:46] <Ariri> maybe scan it with some tools
L752[16:47:47] <Z0idburg> Most Linux distributes have tools to help you figure this kind of stuff out
L753[16:48:23] <Ariri> yeah i have 100 some installers on my hdd, windows doesnt come with jack to help in those regards
L754[16:48:45] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/FYbzgMX.png
L755[16:49:01] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/jLBlVqn.png
L756[16:49:32] <Bob> SpeedFan.exe :GWpaboaWeSmart:
L757[16:49:39] <Ariri> lol
L758[16:50:20] <Ariri> i save every installer in the cloud storage and its actually helpful sometimes
L759[16:50:25] <Ariri> stupid things i do
L760[16:53:09] <Ariri> so what DE were you guys recommending i should use for manjaro
L761[16:53:13] <Ariri> cinnamon or something
L762[16:56:31] <bad at vijya> cinnamon or xfce, compare both, choose whichever you like
L763[16:56:45] <CompanionCube> cinnamon and xfce are good 'normal' choices
L764[16:57:00] <CompanionCube> KDE's rather heavyweight, but also good.
L765[16:57:28] <Ariri> im gonna end up doing pen testing so xfce prob better huh
L766[16:57:35] <Ariri> ill try cinnamon too tho
L767[16:59:35] <Ariri> is 4gb ram and 32 mb vmem okay?
L768[16:59:42] <CompanionCube> more than enough
L769[17:00:05] <Ariri> alright
L770[17:00:18] <Ariri> and then Cube, have u made vms into bootables before
L771[17:00:43] <Z0idburg> for example, using lsusbx ariri
L772[17:00:48] <Z0idburg> lsusb and lsmod*
L773[17:00:55] <CompanionCube> not exactly
L774[17:01:10] <CompanionCube> though i think i've done the reverse at least one time
L775[17:01:24] <Ariri> Z0id i see
L776[17:01:38] <Z0idburg> sorry I've been on the phone
L777[17:01:49] <Ariri> does it work decently cube
L778[17:04:06] <CompanionCube> iirc it worked 'enough'
L779[17:04:55] <Ariri> okay
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L784[17:30:04] <Ariri> it took 2 min to install Manjaro on my HDD bless
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L787[18:02:42] <Ariri> Lizzy, so is this fine for bootloader than https://i.imgur.com/fKkvh5T.png
L788[18:03:13] <Lizzy> errrr
L789[18:03:27] <Ariri> mbr
L790[18:03:32] <Ariri> bad pic
L791[18:03:42] <Lizzy> yeah, choose the top option, should be good
L792[18:03:50] <Ariri> aight thx
L793[18:13:13] <stephan48> ben_mkiv: thanks for linking me your github robot stuff for compact machines last week - currently integrating it - works nicely so far
L794[18:15:48] <ben_mkiv> its not optimal, but did the job for me, so far
L795[18:17:31] <ben_mkiv> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=cac8208d211d0c9ae61abed9d7212d91 well that matching was unexpected
L796[18:17:32] <ben_mkiv> xD
L797[18:17:46] <stephan48> yup. currently trying to implement it to build the tunnels - works nicely until i get to the hoppers :D as soon as the robot places it, the redstone vanishes into the hopper. might cheat by implementing that the "extra item" will be stored in the robots tool slot
L798[18:18:02] <stephan48> hah
L799[18:18:06] <ben_mkiv> does it drop to early?
L800[18:18:27] <stephan48> not drop but as soon as the robot is placing the hopper, the robots inventory empties into the hopper
L801[18:18:34] <ben_mkiv> oh
L802[18:18:55] <ben_mkiv> if you make any updates which improve it i would appreciate a link ;)
L803[18:19:00] <stephan48> sure
L804[18:19:14] <stephan48> i am working on linking it to my ME system
L805[18:20:19] <stephan48> need to figure out where i stole f.e. the waypoint lib i use from(it handles moving a bit more conservative and thus avoids more blocking cases - mainly by going up in the Ys a bit more)
L806[18:30:09] <stephan48> the tool hack would only work if crafting one recipe - if two or more are crafted there are additional items that would need safe keeping
L807[18:30:59] <Lizzy> okay, lets hope that it was just the usb3 caddy and not this ssd that failed earlier
L808[18:31:25] <ben_mkiv> what kind of SSD?
L809[18:31:30] <Lizzy> SATA
L810[18:31:32] <ben_mkiv> once had a crucial which didnt last very long
L811[18:31:39] <Lizzy> and it's going better
L812[18:31:47] <ben_mkiv> while my intel ssd is working for ~10 years now
L813[18:32:05] <Lizzy> so i think it was just that the caddy didn't like my entire steam library being transported through it
L814[18:32:12] <stephan48> eh i will go to bed. enough problem solving for today
L815[18:32:22] <ben_mkiv> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 63929
L816[18:32:34] <Lizzy> although, one change i have made is giving the `ssd` mount option when i mounted the drive
L817[18:32:44] <ben_mkiv> 7.3 years poweron :>
L818[18:33:19] <ben_mkiv> bless intel
L819[18:33:29] <stephan48> please don't :D
L820[18:33:39] <ben_mkiv> except for celeron cpus
L821[18:33:54] * stephan48 crosses out celeron
L822[18:34:18] <ben_mkiv> never had trouble with intel, except for the really poor celeron performance
L823[18:34:20] <Lizzy> my first laptop had a Celeron C900 and it managed to run portal
L824[18:34:25] <Lizzy> i was proud of it
L825[18:34:25] <ben_mkiv> they are a waste of money and resources
L826[18:34:55] <stephan48> but that said, i don't like CPU manufacturers politics in generel.
L827[18:35:22] <ben_mkiv> its just political because they dont have any competitors :P
L828[18:35:28] <ben_mkiv> amd is nutz
L829[18:36:00] * ben_mkiv looks at his burned radeon 7950 -.-
L830[18:36:13] <Lizzy> whenever i have the money and the need to upgrade my pc again i'll probably go ryzen
L831[18:36:54] <ben_mkiv> whenever i upgrade my gpu i'll go for nvidia instead of amd
L832[18:38:12] <bad at vijya> lmao
L833[18:38:15] <Lizzy> eh, i went with AMD when i last did my upgrade
L834[18:38:21] <bad at vijya> i've only had hell with nvidia
L835[18:38:40] <ben_mkiv> hell is fine for me
L836[18:38:50] <bad at vijya> tho i haven't used AMD/ATI since like
L837[18:38:56] <bad at vijya> well the ATI days
L838[18:45:54] <CompanionCube> to hell with nvidia
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L841[18:50:01] <Lizzy> yay, SSD survived
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L844[18:58:39] <bad at vijya> like
L845[18:58:48] <bad at vijya> continuing from what i was saying previously
L846[18:59:08] <bad at vijya> this laptop is my first new experience with AMD graphics
L847[18:59:32] <bad at vijya> and it's a hell of a lot smoother than my old ATI Radeon 9550
L848[19:00:12] <bad at vijya> *and* it was pretty much just install and go in Linux, unlike my desktop's GTX 1050
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L850[19:03:19] * Lizzy hmms, should probably learn SELinux one of these days
L851[19:06:38] <stephan48> is there a way to scroll on OC screens?
L852[19:07:09] <stephan48> or should i just really implement propper error handling and a logfile in my stuffs?
L853[19:07:10] <bad at vijya> pipe your command into less
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L857[19:47:58] <payonel> stephan48: no, i dont have a buffered shell on openos
L858[19:48:22] <payonel> less works well, and io redirection is a good solution
L859[19:49:11] <AmandaC> did you ever fix the too long without yielding in less?
L860[19:50:08] <payonel> do you recall the repro?
L861[19:50:25] <AmandaC> just piping anything into less was triggering it for me
L862[19:50:40] <AmandaC> `components | less` did it
L863[19:50:42] <payonel> i'm loading up oc right now to test something, i'll play a bit with that
L864[19:57:21] <ben_mkiv> you better test that secret 1.14.2 build, dont you?
L865[19:57:57] <ben_mkiv> yesterday someone said to me "just mod for 1.14.2 and you wont have metaindex issues" :P
L866[20:04:57] <payonel> AmandaC: i get no tlwy exception
L867[20:05:01] <payonel> i tested a few variations
L868[20:06:19] <AmandaC> payonel: you may have fixed it already then
L869[20:06:45] <payonel> i did redo /bin/less in the last 6 months
L870[20:48:12] <AmandaC> payonel: is my mr merged up to 1.12 yet? Trying to determine if I should switch to using the official dev builds instead of my fork
L871[20:48:47] <AmandaC> If not no rush, I've been fine with my fork
L872[21:09:04] <The_Stargazer> will OC play nice with libuv?
L873[21:32:21] <Ariri> What irc do u guys use on linux
L874[21:32:31] <Lizzy> Hexchat
L875[21:32:32] <Ariri> i finished installing manjaro
L876[21:32:45] <Ariri> oh same thing i use on windows
L877[21:32:50] <Ariri> thouthg there was better
L878[21:32:51] <Ariri> okay
L879[21:33:05] <Lizzy> hexchat is pretty good imo
L880[21:34:16] <Ariri> https://i.imgur.com/fKkvh5T.png hey thats pretty cool, inbuilt imgur
L881[21:34:26] <Ariri> nm
L882[21:34:34] <Ariri> https://imgur.com/xU711zu.png
L883[21:34:50] <Ariri> is this a normal thing
L884[21:34:59] <Lizzy> sudo?
L885[21:35:17] <Lizzy> or do you mean it asking you for your password?
L886[21:35:29] <Ariri> the lecture thing
L887[21:35:41] <Lizzy> oh, yeah that's normal on first time sudoing
L888[21:35:50] <Ariri> interesting
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L890[21:37:03] <Ariri> installed by default, also sweey
L891[21:37:12] <Ariri> s/sweey/sweet
L892[21:37:13] <MichiBot> <Ariri> installed by default, also sweet
L893[21:37:21] <Ariri> i like this
L894[21:37:59] <Lizzy> i might put manjaro on my laptop when i eventually get around to putting linux on it
L895[21:39:17] <Lizzy> hmm, well my sleeping schedule isn't going to be fixed anytime soon -_-
L896[21:39:22] <Lizzy> i'ma go to bed
L897[21:42:19] <Ariri> gn
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L900[22:24:31] <bad at vijya> i use irssi on linux B)
L901[22:25:33] <pentadyne> is there any way to tell where my program is being run in openos
L902[22:25:44] <pentadyne> like the shell's current directory
L903[22:26:15] <pentadyne> yeah nvm it was in the documentation and I probably should have read that first
L904[22:37:24] <CompanionCube> Ariri: hexchat is indeed a good GUI client
L905[22:37:43] <CompanionCube> if you want to know mine, CTCP VERSION :)
L906[22:45:23] <CompanionCube> also, sudo settings are in /etc/sudoers. Make sure to use visudo so you dom
L907[22:45:31] <CompanionCube> *don't fuck it up
L908[22:45:38] <Izaya> Ariri: >less stable arch
L909[22:45:50] <Izaya> Literally why
L910[22:46:26] <CompanionCube> Izaya: they were having issues with regular arch
L911[22:53:30] <Ariri> i dont know how to use any linux distro so dont hate me too much
L912[22:55:55] <Ariri> !setmyavatar https://i.imgur.com/mNVUnhv.jpg
L913[23:02:12] <pentadyne> where do I find openos source code?
L914[23:02:26] <pentadyne> yeah guess what I should stop asking questions
L915[23:02:34] <pentadyne> cause I found it
L916[23:04:04] <Ariri> whats the FiSHLiM plugin on IRC
L917[23:04:14] <Ariri> s/IRC/HexChat
L918[23:04:16] <MichiBot> <Ariri> whats the FiSHLiM plugin on HexChat
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L920[23:15:04] <AmandaC> Ariri: do you change your avatar this often on Discord?
L921[23:19:05] <AmandaC> I've used the same avatar for like, at least 4 years now
L922[23:19:13] <AmandaC> probably more
L923[23:19:28] <AmandaC> I picked it back when the bitching about gnome3 was still very loud
L924[23:20:50] <Izaya> >avatars
L925[23:21:29] <Izaya> Side note, the one redeeming feature of reddit is the lack of avatars
L926[23:24:26] <AmandaC> Izaya: Those IE wires going to the computers in your demo video of the netbooting, what's that?
L927[23:24:42] <AmandaC> I decided to give IE a try since I went and accidentally nuked my instance.
L928[23:24:44] <bad at vijya> g u h n o m e 3
L929[23:24:50] <Izaya> Network
L930[23:24:57] <AmandaC> What mod adds it?
L931[23:25:03] <Izaya> they're from Zetta Industries
L932[23:25:06] <AmandaC> ah
L933[23:25:26] <AmandaC> Was that fixed up so it's not generating a new component ID every launch?
L934[23:25:39] <AmandaC> for it's components, that is
L935[23:25:49] <Izaya> Not sure
L936[23:25:54] <Izaya> Only use it for the wires tbh
L937[23:26:16] <AmandaC> heh
L938[23:26:33] <AmandaC> you get it off curseforge, or some Jenkins instance?
L939[23:28:55] <AmandaC> eh,c ursrforge was last updated the same day as the last commit, I'll use that
L940[23:29:01] <AmandaC> time for sleeps though, night nerds.
L941[23:29:18] <Izaya> o7
L942[23:29:31] * Izaya gives AmandaC minecraft.shadowkat.net
L943[23:44:53] <Ariri> on discord? no i was just indecisive
L944[23:49:12] <Ariri> and my discord pfp was diff than my irc one, my last cmd was updating it too match, didnt know that was visible
L945[23:49:33] <Ariri> which didnt work it appears
L946[23:51:10] <Ariri> !setmyavatar https://i.imgur.com/mNVUnhv.jpg
L947[23:51:19] <Ariri> yes?
L948[23:51:30] <Ariri> nope
L949[23:52:58] <Izaya> why wouldn't it show up it's just a message
L950[23:54:24] <Ariri> dunno, mayb cuz / cmds dont but i didnt think about it too much
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