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<Ariri> Haha
I hold #1 now
 
L2[00:06:03] 

<Ariri> get
on my l3v3l
 
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<Ariri>
13v31
 
L5[00:06:24] 

<Ariri>
13\/31
 
L6[00:08:01] 

<Ariri> 13\
/31 [Edited]
 
L7[00:10:35] <Izaya> how do we bring up the
leaderboard again
 
L8[00:11:40] 

<Ariri>
uh
 
L9[00:11:43] 

<Ariri>
%list
 
L10[00:11:46] 

<Ariri>
%rank
 
L11[00:12:50] 

<Ariri>
/shurg
 
L12[00:12:55] 

<Ariri>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [Edited]
 
L13[00:13:50] 

<Ariri> So
im reading the lua document manual thing
 
L14[00:14:08] 

<Ariri> so
do i need an ide for lua or will notepad++ do fine
 
L15[00:14:26] 

<Ariri> ive
never like tested or compiled code in ide environments
 
L16[00:14:39] 

<Ariri> at
least not in a while for codes ive actually used
 
L17[00:16:38] <Izaya> I write Lua 100%
inside vim
 
L18[00:16:53] <Izaya> I'd recommend
syntax highlighting but beyond that you don't need
anything
 
L19[00:17:00] 

<Ariri>
okay
 
L20[00:17:07] 

<Bob> for
OC, notepad++ is perfect
 
L21[00:17:07] 

<Ariri> any
other fancy programs i need
 
L22[00:17:18] 

<Bob> for
serious programming use VSCode
 
L23[00:17:18] <Izaya> I recommend Debian
GNU/Linux
 
L24[00:17:25] <Izaya> >using a web
browser for programming
 
L25[00:17:43] <Izaya> I mean I say that but
all IDEs and similar programs are similarly heavy so do whatever I
guess
 
L26[00:17:49] 

<Ariri> you
mean as a bootable?
 
L27[00:18:06] <Izaya> yes
 
L28[00:18:13] <Izaya> developing on Windows
makes me want to die
 
L29[00:18:26] 

<Bob>
^
 
L30[00:18:27] <Izaya> YMMV
 
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L32[00:19:10] 

<Ariri>
Why?
 
L33[00:19:19] 

<Ariri> I
never understoof the preference
 
L34[00:19:26] 

<Ariri> imo
using rPi in headless is harder
 
L35[00:19:32] 

<Ariri> if
thats any reference
 
L36[00:19:33] <Izaya> it's really not
designed as a system to be friendly for programming
 
L37[00:19:49] 

<Ariri> even
tho ud use programs?
 
L38[00:20:03] <CompanionCube>
%tonkleaders
 
L40[00:20:07] <CompanionCube> you
mean?
 
L41[00:20:11] <Izaya> that's the
one
 
L42[00:20:13] 

<bad at
vijya> the raspi is ez
 
L43[00:20:38] <Izaya> it lacks basic tools
like a C compiler or grep by default, the system is not simple by
any stretch, there are no standard ways of doing anything...
 
L44[00:20:39] 

<Ariri> ssh
is kinda pissy for me
 
L45[00:20:41] <CompanionCube> lol
 
L46[00:20:51] <Izaya> also pipes on windows
hahahahahaha
 
L47[00:20:55] 

<Bob>
^
 
L48[00:20:56] <CompanionCube> I've
barely used my pi3 non-headless
 
L49[00:20:59] 

<Ariri>
pipes
 
L50[00:21:01] 

<Bob> That
OS is a joke
 
L51[00:21:08] 

<Ariri> I
was using a Pi W bc it was cheaper
 
L52[00:21:17] 

<Ariri> and
im using Homebridge ;l
 
L53[00:21:23] <CompanionCube> hell, i
barely used my pi1 non-headless
 
L54[00:21:34] 

<Ariri>
Pipes?^
 
L55[00:21:41] <Izaya> >Homebridge is a
lightweight NodeJS server you can run on your home network that
emulates the iOS HomeKit API.
 
L56[00:21:43] *
Izaya screams 
L57[00:21:44] <CompanionCube> my pi3
doesn't actually have X11 installed at all :D
 
L58[00:21:49] 

<Ariri>
Hahaha
 
L59[00:22:00] <CompanionCube> Izaya: yep,
burn it
 
L60[00:22:02] 

<Ariri> Its
really useful tho
 
L61[00:22:04] <CompanionCube> it's
cursed.
 
L62[00:22:06] 

<Ariri>
Bruhhhh
 
L63[00:22:08] <Izaya> Ariri: cat file |
grep word | cut -d ' ' -f 2
 
L64[00:22:13] 

<Ariri> I
love using shortcuts for it
 
L65[00:22:22] 

<Ariri> I
dont understand that^
 
L66[00:22:46] 

<bad at
vijya> everytime i see node.js i wanna blow my brains out
 
L67[00:22:47] <Temia> I need to get a Pi
Zero W for headless embedded purposes. My existing zero is nice,
but having to plug my old LAN adapter in just to work with it is a
pain
 
L68[00:23:06] 

<Ariri> i
dont know half of the references in here bc i never join
communities for anything but gaming and sometimes anime :l
 
L69[00:23:09] <Izaya> cat outputs a file to
the standard output, grep searches its input and outputs lines
containing word, and cut -d ' ' will cut lines on spaces,
and specifying -f 2 will make it output the second
'field'
 
L70[00:23:37] <Temia> What's sad is
that a basic Arch ARM installation on an RPi Zero W with OpenSSH
set up is probably more secure than most IOT devices
 
L71[00:23:51] 

<Ariri>
Ah
 
L72[00:23:56] <CompanionCube> Izaya: also
remember until recently the CLI was balls
 
L73[00:24:02] 

<Ariri>
Lolll
 
L74[00:24:09] 

<Ariri>
Putty im sorry
 
L75[00:24:20] 

<Ariri> I
had to delete my linux bootable a few years back
 
L76[00:24:26] 

<Ariri> i
was running out of flash dirves
 
L77[00:24:35] <CompanionCube> cmd.exe is a
unfixable turd
 
L78[00:24:39] 

<Ariri> and
i messed up my laptop doing dual boot
 
L79[00:24:48] 

<Ariri> true
but thats the first thing I learned
 
L80[00:24:53] 

<Ariri> I
was like 7
 
L81[00:25:07] <CompanionCube> which
linux?
 
L82[00:25:16] 

<Ariri> I
wanna say Ubuntu
 
L83[00:25:24] 

<Ariri>
Whatever was in circulation at the time
 
L84[00:25:33] <CompanionCube> My first was
Ubuntu 9.04
 
L85[00:25:36] 

<Ariri> dont
do the math and guess my age
 
L86[00:25:48] 

<Ariri> i
used it a bit but got a bit confused
 
L87[00:26:06] 

<Ariri>
didnt know how to use resources to figure stuff out beyong
exploration
 
L88[00:26:09] 

<Ariri>
didnt know how to use resources to figure stuff out beyond
exploration [Edited]
 
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L91[00:26:22] 

<Ariri>
this
 
L92[00:26:23] 

<Ariri>
?
 
L93[00:26:49] <CompanionCube> no
 
L94[00:27:05] <CompanionCube> i obtained an
actual disk
 
L95[00:27:21] 

<Ariri>
IzayaBOTToday at 10:17 PM
 
L96[00:27:21] 

<Ariri> I
recommend Debian GNU/Linux
 
L97[00:27:28] 

<Ariri>
Talking about this, wasnt clear
 
L98[00:27:51] *
CompanionCube wouldn't use debian for a desktop 
L99[00:28:01] 

<Ariri>
bloody ell
 
L100[00:28:05] <CompanionCube> it's a
good distro
 
L101[00:28:23] <CompanionCube> but there
are better ones for that :3
 
L102[00:28:34] 

<Ariri>
frick dude i make up my own terms whats the diff
 
L103[00:28:34] 

<Ariri>
lemme google it instead of hving someone explain again
 
L104[00:28:57] 

<Ariri> oh
distro
 
L105[00:29:04] 

<Ariri>
liegit just distribution
 
L106[00:29:05] 

<Ariri>
duh
 
L107[00:29:35] 

<Ariri> Do
these things actually make a huge difference???
 
L108[00:29:44] 

<Ariri> I
always just use what I have
 
L109[00:29:45] <CompanionCube> Define
'huge'
 
L110[00:30:32] 

<Ariri> Like
is it a significant improvement to shutdown my desktop/move to my
laptop and get the files, boot into some kind of linux, set it up,
configure cuz im picky, and use it to code
 
L111[00:31:23] <CompanionCube> That would
be a matter of opinion
 
L112[00:32:01] <CompanionCube> However
coding meshes substantially nicer with a surrounding Linux vs a
surrounding Windows.
 
L113[00:32:26] 

<Ariri> So
not the editing itself
 
L114[00:32:36] 

<Ariri> just
like debugging or something
 
L115[00:32:39] 

<Ariri>
?
 
L116[00:32:41] 

<Ariri>
IzayaBOTToday at 10:20 PM
 
L117[00:32:41] 

<Ariri> it
lacks basic tools like a C compiler or grep by default, the system
is not simple by any stretch, there are no standard ways of doing
anything...
 
L118[00:33:16] 

<Ariri>
Windows^
 
L119[00:33:53] <CompanionCube>
Traditionally the systems have had vastly different
'philosophies' of the Way Things Should Be.
 
L120[00:34:14] <Izaya> *nix systems were
designed by developers by developers
 
L121[00:34:20] <Izaya> see: unix
philosophy
 
L122[00:34:56] 

<Ariri> I
see
 
L123[00:35:03] <CompanionCube> Izaya: you
want a 'for' there
 
L124[00:35:11] <Izaya> yes
 
L125[00:35:14] <CompanionCube> also
 
L126[00:35:15] 

<Ariri> i
get it
 
L127[00:35:20] <CompanionCube> no reboot
needed
 
L128[00:35:26] 

<Ariri> wait
what
 
L129[00:35:40] 

<Ariri>
emu?
 
L130[00:35:42] <CompanionCube> with the
magic of ~VT-x/AMD-V~
 
L131[00:35:51] <CompanionCube> you too can
try out Linux easily
 
L132[00:35:57] 

<Ariri> I
dont know if i have virtualization
 
L133[00:36:03] 

<Ariri> Im
running a 2400G
 
L134[00:36:08] <CompanionCube> CPU?
 
L135[00:36:16] 

<Ariri>
ye
 
L136[00:36:20] <CompanionCube> Full
name?
 
L137[00:36:26] 

<Ariri>
Ryzen 5 2400G
 
L138[00:36:31] 

<Ariri> its
an iGPU
 
L139[00:36:36] <Izaya> you have
virtualisation
 
L140[00:36:39] <CompanionCube> ...of
course it has virtualization
 
L141[00:36:54] 

<Ariri> of
course it does, right
 
L142[00:36:57] <CompanionCube> ~every CPU
in the past decade or longer has had it
 
L143[00:37:02] 

<Ariri>
oh
 
L144[00:37:06] <Izaya> 'not sure I
have virtualisation' is Core 2 Duo grade
 
L145[00:37:27] 

<Ariri> well
my bloody laptop could barely run its own things before klunking
and breaking
 
L146[00:37:34] 

<Ariri> and
i got that in 2014 maybe
 
L147[00:37:42] 

<Ariri> 1.8
ghz
 
L148[00:38:18] 

<Ariri> so
what like virtual box or something then
 
L149[00:38:37] <CompanionCube> VirtualBox
is a good option for Windows.
 
L150[00:38:54] 

<Ariri>
ok
 
L151[00:39:10] 

<Ariri>
should i remap keys for vim or is it better to get used to the
linux shortcuts
 
L152[00:39:16] 

<Ariri> like
ctrl c and stuff
 
L153[00:39:22] <CompanionCube> (Hyper-V
exists too, but you likely don't have ot and VirtualBox is
simpler to use)
 
L154[00:39:24] <CompanionCube> fuck
vim
 
L155[00:39:25] 

<Ariri> or
whatever they are
 
L157[00:39:38] 

<Ariri>
wut
 
L158[00:39:50] <Izaya> use whatever editor
you like
 
L159[00:39:51] <CompanionCube> I
don't like it. Never had.
 
L160[00:39:56] <Izaya> as long as it has
syntax highlighting
 
L161[00:40:03] 

<Ariri>
bloody ell
 
L162[00:40:07] <CompanionCube> Know just
enough to be able to type and quit.
 
L163[00:40:09] 

<Ariri>
**both**
 
L164[00:40:15] 

<Ariri>
frick it
 
L165[00:40:22] <Izaya> most distros come
with a competent editor
 
L166[00:40:25] <CompanionCube> ^
 
L167[00:40:33] <CompanionCube> by the
way
 
L168[00:40:52] 

<Ariri> ill
see if i can finally finish setting up one vm tomm, never finished
making any
 
L169[00:40:59] 

<Ariri>
always got busy or distracted
 
L170[00:41:05] <CompanionCube> You'll
pry ctrl-c and ctrl-v from my cold, dead hands.
 
L171[00:41:26] 

<Ariri>
Meaning you like them
 
L172[00:41:49] <CompanionCube> yes.
 
L173[00:41:56] 

<Ariri>
ok
 
L174[00:42:06] <CompanionCube> I even use
them in emacs :p
 
L175[00:42:18] 

<Ariri> why
does like ssh use diff shortcuts than linux and all that
 
L176[00:42:27] <CompanionCube> SSH
doesn't
 
L177[00:42:36] 

<Ariri> like
ctrl c was termintte on my rPi
 
L178[00:42:43] 

<Ariri>
raspbian*
 
L179[00:42:56] 

<Ariri> and
now ctrl t or something is in OC
 
L180[00:42:56] <payonel> fwiw, vscode with
lau-language-server is very nice for oc+lua programming
 
L181[00:43:05] <CompanionCube> bash uses
ctrl-c to send SIGINT.
 
L182[00:43:20] <payonel> i might put
together a api file, which the lua-language-server extension can
use to help define methods
 
L183[00:43:28] <CompanionCube> Since there
is no text selected when this happens, this is not a problem for me
:p
 
L184[00:43:37] 

<Ariri>
ah
 
L185[00:44:02] 

<Ariri>
payonel: Wait so u have a definition within ur enviro?
 
L186[00:45:07] <payonel> yes and no. go to
definition, and autocompletion works for openos stuff
 
L187[00:45:26] <payonel> but i could add
an api definition that would give details on params and
return
 
L188[00:45:33] <payonel> and machine api
stuff
 
L189[00:45:37] 

<Ariri>
Quick ?: would understanding a coroutine as a subroutine be wrong,
it just doesnt run simultaneosly, it pauses the main routine
 
L190[00:45:42] 

<Ariri> Ah I
see^
 
L191[00:45:52] <payonel> i haven't,
just saying that is well supported with these tools
 
L192[00:46:23] 

<Ariri> So
now im even less clear on which editor to use now...
 
L193[00:46:35] <Izaya> try a few
 
L194[00:46:36] 

<Ariri> i
just need syntax highlighting supposedly
 
L195[00:46:37] <CompanionCube> Find one
you like.
 
L196[00:46:50] <Izaya> 's like a
bike, try a few and decide which suits you best
 
L197[00:46:53] <CompanionCube> ^
 
L198[00:47:07] 

<Ariri>
Alright then
 
L199[00:47:22] *
CompanionCube uses nano and emacs for different things 
L200[00:47:24] 

<Ariri>
*downloads like 10*
 
L201[00:47:56] <Izaya> vim will confuse
you. emacs will confuse you. IDEs will have hundreds of
buttons.
 
L202[00:48:01] <CompanionCube> ^
 
L203[00:48:09] <payonel> i recommend any
editor that 1. you like, and 2. has some language linting
 
L204[00:48:29] 

<Ariri> I
have Notepad ++ installed and I have used that
 
L205[00:48:31] 

<Ariri> for
a while
 
L206[00:48:42] <Izaya> look into Notepadqq
if you like it
 
L207[00:48:47] <payonel> does it
understand lua? or have you added a plugin/extension for it to do
lua?
 
L208[00:48:58] 

<Ariri> I
think so
 
L209[00:49:00] 

<Ariri>
lemme check
 
L210[00:49:11] <Izaya> that said, an
editor you can use over ssh or similar is always an excellent
thing
 
L211[00:49:23] <Izaya> ie I can be logged
in from work, like now, and work on stuff at home
 
L213[00:50:21] 

<Ariri>
Would SSHs be blocked by certain ISPS if i were to work on a domain
netowkr
 
L214[00:50:24] 

<Ariri>
network
 
L215[00:50:32] 

<Ariri> er
not ISPS
 
L216[00:50:34] <Izaya> it's often
blocked by companies and schools but otherwise no
 
L217[00:50:35] 

<Ariri> same
thin
 
L218[00:50:41] <CompanionCube> Izaya: I
use nano over SSH
 
L219[00:50:44] 

<Ariri> ah
darn
 
L220[00:50:49] <CompanionCube> or on
occasion emacs+tramp
 
L221[00:50:54] <Izaya> that said
 
L222[00:51:04] <Izaya> blocked just means
you haven't put in enough effort to get around it :^)
 
L223[00:51:10] <CompanionCube> ^
 
L224[00:51:12] 

<Ariri>
True
 
L225[00:51:19] 

<Ariri> Ive
been looking for ways
 
L226[00:51:25] 

<Ariri> But
havent found any solid ones
 
L227[00:51:33] 

<Ariri>
theyve covered my old holes :(
 
L228[00:51:43] <CompanionCube> old
holes?
 
L229[00:51:54] 

<Ariri> They
use two factor for gradebooks now ;-;
 
L230[00:52:06] <CompanionCube> You. I like
you.
 
L231[00:52:11] 

<Ariri> like
old ports and tricks i used to do to exploit the network
 
L232[00:52:14] 

<Ariri>
Me?
 
L233[00:52:20] <CompanionCube> Yes.
 
L234[00:52:31] 

<Ariri> Well
thats a first
 
L235[00:52:42] <CompanionCube> I like the
implications of the first statement.
 
L236[00:52:44] 

<Ariri> Ive
been a pesky bugger who doesnt know anything the whole time
 
L238[00:53:26] 

<Ariri>
Speaking of which^ they have a shared NAS that doenst allow .bat
(bad but easy and fun ik) so i put into plain text lmao
 
L239[00:53:49] <CompanionCube> did they
also block .vbs and .js?
 
L240[00:54:18] 

<Ariri>
Izaya: So could I use my rPi with SSH and use port forwarding
 
L241[00:54:19] 

<Ariri>
?
 
L242[00:54:37] <Izaya> you could forward
the ssh ports so you could log into your pi
 
L243[00:54:38] 

<Ariri> I
think so but again, i save it on their sever as plain text and just
copy paste into vbs
 
L244[00:54:40] 

<Ariri> i
can run them
 
L245[00:54:49] 

<Ariri> but
not save them on logoff
 
L246[00:55:01] 

<Ariri> bc
its a virtual server
 
L247[00:55:16] 

<Ariri>
Okay^^
 
L248[00:55:29] <CompanionCube> a ephermeal
network share's a bit weird/
 
L249[00:55:57] 

<Ariri> And
then id just file transfer them over to put into pastebin or
something when neeeded?^
 
L250[00:55:57] <Izaya> once you have a
network that 99% supports ssh nothing else compares tbh
 
L251[00:56:18] <Izaya> you can move files
easily and log into any machine easily
 
L252[00:56:26] 

<Ariri>
noice
 
L253[00:56:30] <CompanionCube> Izaya: what
about a plan9grid
 
L254[00:56:43] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
ultimate zen
 
L255[00:57:15] <Izaya> if it were a little
more practical I'd unironically run all my stuff on
9front
 
L256[00:57:21] <Izaya> servers,
anyway
 
L257[00:57:32] <Izaya> need drawterm for
Haiku for maximum memetic value
 
L259[00:58:34] <CompanionCube> are you
trying to break into some server
 
L260[00:58:41] <CompanionCube> of
 
L261[00:58:51] <CompanionCube> you cut off
the 'i'
 
L262[00:58:53] 

<Ariri> no
its mine but i dont remember the password, and termius wont show
it
 
L263[00:59:25] <CompanionCube> no root
login?
 
L264[00:59:42] <Izaya> imagine using
passwords rather than keys
 
L265[01:00:00] 

<Ariri> wth
are keys now
 
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L267[01:00:07] 

<Ariri>
other than the door kind
 
L268[01:00:11] 

<Ariri>
no??
 
L269[01:00:16] <Izaya> Ariri: what if I
told you you could enter your password for other machines at login
and then never have to enter a password for the rest of your
session
 
L270[01:00:18] <Izaya> (except sudo)
 
L271[01:00:24] 

<Ariri> I
just did homebridge i dunno wut i was doing
 
L272[01:00:35] 

<Ariri>
huhhh
 
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L274[01:00:37] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
that's just krb5 no?
 
L275[01:00:50] <Izaya> CompanionCube: yes
but also ssh keys and an ssh agent
 
L276[01:00:51] <CompanionCube> Available
and used by Windows too
 
L277[01:01:07] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
however
 
L278[01:01:18] <CompanionCube> >not
passphrasing your SSH keys
 
L279[01:01:22] <Izaya> CompanionCube: I
do
 
L280[01:01:25] <Izaya> hence once at
login
 
L281[01:01:32] <CompanionCube>
>infinite timeout
 
L282[01:01:36] <Izaya> gotta unlock the
keys to add them to the agent
 
L283[01:01:45] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
screensaver locks the keyring
 
L284[01:01:47] <Izaya> :^)
 
L285[01:02:09] <Izaya> if I'm on the
computer for 8 hours without the screensaver activating, it's
fine, if not, it gets locked when the screensaver activates
 
L286[01:02:57] <CompanionCube> SSH keys
are essentially passwords that you have jnstead of remember
 
L287[01:03:11] 

<Ariri> so
keys are client based?
 
L288[01:03:16] <CompanionCube> powered by
the same type of cryptography as TLS
 
L289[01:03:33] 

<Ariri> wow
ok
 
L290[01:03:45] <CompanionCube> You add the
public part of your key to the remote end
 
L292[01:04:02] 

<Ariri> the
what now
 
L293[01:04:15] 

<Ariri> oh
got it
 
L294[01:04:18] 

<Ariri> host
keys
 
L295[01:04:36] <Izaya> like host
keys
 
L296[01:04:43] <Izaya> same method more or
less
 
L297[01:04:49] <Izaya> but the other way
around
 
L298[01:04:49] 

<Ariri>
ye
 
L300[01:05:02] 

<Ariri> well
i can login to ssh from my phone to change the rPi password
 
L301[01:05:03] <Izaya> the server uses it
to verify your client, rather than your client using them to verify
the server
 
L302[01:05:08] 

<Ariri> bc
for some reason it wont work
 
L303[01:05:13] 

<Ariri>
ahhh
 
L304[01:05:26] 

<Ariri> i
did not see that when exploring the bios
 
L305[01:05:32] 

<Ariri> bios
thing
 
L306[01:05:37] 

<Ariri> blue
screen
 
L307[01:05:49] <CompanionCube> strictly
speaking
 
L308[01:05:53] <CompanionCube> A pi has no
BIOS
 
L309[01:06:01] 

<Ariri> so
then should i put Putty on a usb
 
L310[01:06:08] 

<Ariri> Yeah
but idk terms :(
 
L311[01:06:15] 

<Ariri> I
mean the blue config screen
 
L312[01:06:19] <CompanionCube> oh
 
L313[01:06:20] 

<Ariri> that
isnt a cmmand line
 
L314[01:06:28] <CompanionCube> that's
just a raspbian program
 
L315[01:06:45] <CompanionCube> using the
ncurses toolkit
 
L316[01:06:57] 

<Ariri>
looks like an old bios to me, so when you dont talk to ppl u end up
callin it wierd stuff
 
L317[01:07:23] 

<Ariri> wait
a min
 
L318[01:07:27] <CompanionCube>
They're both the same interface style so it's easy to
confuse them
 
L319[01:07:59] 

<Ariri> bruh
im dumb
 
L320[01:08:09] <Izaya> hang around on IRC
enough and not only will you learn stuff, your typing speed will
increase significantly
 
L321[01:08:09] 

<Ariri> i
typed in the hostname instead of pi
 
L323[01:08:11] <CompanionCube> (Actually,
ncurses programs can look rather nicer than ye olde BIOes)
 
L324[01:08:13] <Izaya> also you'll
get carpal tunnel
 
L325[01:08:22] 

<Ariri>
Carpal tunnel?
 
L326[01:08:27] 

<Ariri> a
finger issue?
 
L327[01:08:39] <Izaya> wrist
 
L328[01:08:43] 

<Ariri>
ah
 
L329[01:08:46] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
I'm typing this from a tablet, so...
 
L330[01:08:50] 

<Ariri>
yikes
 
L331[01:08:53] <Izaya> CompanionCube: RIP
your wrists
 
L332[01:09:07] 

<Ariri> i
also use irc on my phone sometimes
 
L333[01:09:08] 

<Ariri>
lmao
 
L334[01:09:15] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
it's 7inch
 
L335[01:09:16] <Izaya> I am using a Dell
SK-8135 presently
 
L336[01:09:34] <CompanionCube> wrists
aren't involved :p
 
L337[01:09:36] <Izaya> at some point I
have to get off my ass and solder my Gergo kit together
 
L338[01:09:37] 

<Ariri> so
keys yeah
 
L339[01:09:50] <Izaya> still haven't
decided what switches to use
 
L340[01:09:50] 

<Ariri>
basically the pi looks for a key from what im connecting from
 
L341[01:10:09] <CompanionCube> technically
it's the other way around
 
L342[01:10:17] <CompanionCube> your client
says 'i have this key here'
 
L343[01:10:23] 

<Ariri>
:o
 
L344[01:10:41] <CompanionCube> if the
server has it on the list of keys it accepts the connection
 
L345[01:10:53] 

<Ariri>
ah
 
L346[01:11:45] <CompanionCube> (The list
is ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. It's per-user.)
 
L347[01:12:10] 

<Ariri> ooh
i think i got
 
L348[01:12:11] 

<Ariri>
it
 
L349[01:12:20] 

<Ariri>
sha256 yay my fav
 
L350[01:12:35] <CompanionCube> SHA256
isn't key materia;
 
L351[01:12:57] 

<Ariri>
thats what it made it with...
 
L352[01:13:16] 

<Ariri> oh
and it says rsa 2048
 
L353[01:13:18] <CompanionCube> sha256 is a
hash of something elss
 
L354[01:13:23] 

<Ariri> my
other somewhat fav
 
L355[01:13:29] <CompanionCube> RSA is more
like it
 
L356[01:13:44] 

<Ariri> i
like sha
 
L357[01:13:45] 

<Ariri>
tho
 
L358[01:13:46] 

<Ariri>
like
 
L359[01:13:52] 

<Ariri>
"Sha!"
 
L360[01:14:10] 

<Ariri> Then
again RSA could be like Risa
 
L361[01:14:24] 

<Ariri> wait
so do i use the .pub on my client?
 
L362[01:14:25] <CompanionCube> I bet you
liked SHAttered then :p
 
L363[01:14:48] 

<Ariri>
Haha
 
L364[01:15:08] <CompanionCube>
anyway
 
L365[01:15:18] <Izaya> you generate the
key on your client and put the .pub into your
~/.ssh/authorized_keys
 
L366[01:15:23] <CompanionCube> the .pub
file is the one you give out
 
L367[01:15:33] 

<Ariri>
gotcha
 
L368[01:15:36] <CompanionCube> the id_rsa
file must never leave your control
 
L369[01:15:43] <Izaya> imagine using rsa
keys
 
L370[01:15:46] <CompanionCube> whoever has
it can use the key
 
L371[01:15:48] <Izaya> ssh-keygen -t
ed25519 or bust
 
L372[01:15:57] 

<Ariri>
fr?
 
L373[01:16:02] 

<Ariri>
should i
 
L374[01:16:10] <CompanionCube> If you
want.
 
L375[01:16:16] <CompanionCube>
Doesn't really matter.
 
L376[01:16:16] <Izaya> honestly it's
fine nobody has practical quantum computers yes
 
L377[01:16:18] <Izaya> yet
 
L378[01:16:22] 

<Ariri>
yet
 
L379[01:16:24] 

<Ariri>
yup
 
L380[01:16:36] 

<Ariri> cant
wait for those
 
L381[01:16:36] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
won't those break ED25519 too
 
L382[01:16:42] <Izaya> CompanionCube: yes,
but slower
 
L383[01:16:43] 

<Ariri> all
my passwords will be bust
 
L384[01:16:50] <Izaya> or rather, it needs
more qubits
 
L385[01:16:57] <Izaya> or something
 
L386[01:17:06] *
Izaya squints 
L387[01:17:11] <Izaya> it's been a
while since I read into it
 
L388[01:18:11] <CompanionCube> (I'm
not joking about the private part never leaving your
control.)
 
L389[01:18:33] 

<Ariri> wait
what
 
L391[01:18:37] 

<Ariri> yeah
^
 
L392[01:19:07] <Izaya> uhm
 
L393[01:19:23] <Izaya> why are you copying
that key to the machine it's already on as the private
key
 
L394[01:19:28] 

<Ariri>
Oh
 
L395[01:19:36] 

<Ariri> I
thought i was copying it so send
 
L396[01:19:38] 

<Ariri>
to
 
L397[01:19:54] 

<Ariri> so i
should send it to my desktop then
 
L398[01:19:59] <Izaya> you ssh-copy-id
<server to copy key to>
 
L399[01:20:05] <Izaya> assumes there is
sshd running on the remote machine
 
L400[01:20:06] 

<Ariri>
gotcha
 
L401[01:20:29] <Izaya> so you should
generate the key on your desktop and ssh-copy-id pi@pi-theta
 
L402[01:20:53] <CompanionCube> yeah,
don't do something stupid like ftp the private key over a
network
 
L403[01:21:18] 

<Ariri> well
its my priv network but wdym Izaya
 
L404[01:21:22] 

<Ariri> the
pi gen'd the key
 
L405[01:21:30] <Izaya> right
 
L406[01:21:36] <CompanionCube> you gen the
key on the *client*
 
L407[01:21:38] <Izaya> that's the
private key so the pi can log into other machines
 
L408[01:21:54] <Izaya> you copy the public
key to machines you want to log into
 
L409[01:22:04] 

<Ariri>
oh
 
L410[01:22:08] <Izaya> so you generate a
key on your desktop
 
L411[01:22:12] 

<Ariri> so
im doing this backwards
 
L412[01:22:14] <Izaya> and ssh-copy-id to
the pi
 
L413[01:22:18] <Izaya> so you can log into
the pi
 
L414[01:23:19] <Izaya> from the
desktop
 
L415[01:23:30] 

<Ariri>
ok...
 
L416[01:24:04] <Izaya> keys are passwords
but stronger and more convenient
 
L417[01:24:20] 

<Ariri>
should i remove the key already on the pi then
 
L418[01:24:46] <Izaya> no just use that to
log into remote machines when you get them
 
L419[01:24:59] 

<Ariri>
ok
 
L420[01:26:30] <CompanionCube> Ever used
github?
 
L421[01:26:34] 

<Ariri> lol
the ed gen was quicker than the other
 
L422[01:26:44] 

<Ariri> a
little bit
 
L423[01:26:47] 

<Ariri>
why?
 
L424[01:27:03] <Izaya> man I haven't
checked github in weeks
 
L425[01:27:07] <Izaya> I should probably
do that
 
L426[01:27:24] <CompanionCube> GitHub
supports using keys as an easy authentication method
 
L427[01:27:53] 

<Ariri> so i
save both the public and private key to my desktop, and copy the
private one into my pi?
 
L428[01:28:12] <CompanionCube> *public*
one
 
L429[01:28:18] 

<Ariri>
ok
 
L430[01:28:33] 

<Ariri>
*saves to desktop*
 
L431[01:29:56] <CompanionCube> consider
this: the private key is like the password itself. The public key
is like a secure hash of the password. (This isn't how it
works, but it's an OK analogy)
 
L432[01:30:09] 

<Ariri> ah
ok
 
L433[01:30:19] 

<Ariri>
makes sense
 
L434[01:30:38] 

<Ariri> so
then i make an authorized_keys file in the pi?
 
L435[01:30:47] <CompanionCube> yep
 
L436[01:30:58] <CompanionCube> ssh-copy-id
is an easy way
 
L437[01:34:31] 

<Ariri>
stuck
 
L438[01:34:41] 

<Ariri>
h-how i make file...
 
L439[01:37:02] <CompanionCube> for?
 
L440[01:37:15] 

<Ariri>
nm
 
L441[01:37:18] 

<Ariri> u
didnt see that
 
L442[01:37:25] <CompanionCube> Lies
:p
 
L443[01:37:32] 

<Ariri>
shh
 
L444[01:38:24] 

<Ariri>
ssh
 
L445[01:44:45] 

<Ariri> Host
key did not appear in manually selected list
 
L446[01:49:15] <CompanionCube> what
 
L447[01:50:46] 

<Ariri> Got
it
 
L448[01:50:56] 

<Ariri>
right?
 
L450[01:51:39] <CompanionCube> yep
 
L451[01:51:48] 

<Ariri>
yayyy
 
L452[01:51:53] <CompanionCube> enjoy your
passwordless shell prompt
 
L453[01:52:09] 

<Ariri>
:)
 
L454[01:52:49] 

<Ariri> so
passwords still work then
 
L455[01:52:56] <CompanionCube> yep
 
L456[01:53:14] 

<Ariri>
ok
 
L457[01:53:26] <CompanionCube> but it will
try your key first
 
L458[01:53:41] 

<Ariri>
ah'
 
L459[01:54:25] 

<Ariri> wait
i did a passphrase tho
 
L460[01:54:32] 

<Ariri>
unless that doenst work with ed
 
L461[01:57:08] <CompanionCube> It
does
 
L462[01:57:19] 

<Ariri> it
didnt ask for it
 
L463[01:57:53] <CompanionCube> it
won't always
 
L464[01:58:10] 

<Ariri>
o
 
L465[01:58:57] <CompanionCube> depending
on configuration, it will either ask only the first time you use it
after starting the agent, or that plus when you haven't used
it in a while
 
L466[01:59:13] 

<Ariri>
ah
 
L467[02:01:57] <CompanionCube> the
passphrase means it's not an instant 'you lose' if
someone obtains your private key, but still
 
L468[02:02:47] 

<Ariri> hmm
ok
 
L469[02:02:54] 

<Ariri>
should prob get a better usb then
 
L470[02:03:19] <CompanionCube> huh?
 
L471[02:03:40] 

<Ariri> its
kinda old, slow, and made of plastic and im gonna use it more
now
 
L472[02:03:47] 

<Ariri> i
have a portable ssh client on it
 
L473[02:03:50] 

<Ariri>
thats the relevance
 
L474[02:03:57] 

<Ariri> and
irc clients
 
L475[02:04:23] 

<Ariri> its
too slow for encryption imo
 
L476[02:05:04] <CompanionCube> it's
just disk storage
 
L477[02:05:18] <CompanionCube> it's
I/O performance is irrelevant.
 
L478[02:05:49] 

<Ariri> oh,
i thought Cryptographic Services was a bit I/O intensive
 
L479[02:06:20] <CompanionCube> Not disk
i/o :p
 
L480[02:06:37] 

<Ariri>
:o
 
L481[02:06:48] 

<Ariri>
sometimes it says that in task manager tho
 
L482[02:07:14] <CompanionCube> it's
windows
 
L483[02:07:29] 

<Ariri>
o
 
L484[02:07:45] <CompanionCube> who knows
what the hell's going on sometimes
 
L485[02:08:33] 

<Ariri>
tru
 
L486[02:08:59] <CompanionCube> all SSH
needs in terms of i/o is to read your keys from disk, and a
terminal to use
 
L487[02:09:20] 

<Ariri> no i
mean the whole drive
 
L488[02:09:25] 

<Ariri> i
have other media on there
 
L489[02:09:28] 

<Ariri> to
encrypt
 
L490[02:09:33] 

<Ariri>
%tonk
 
L491[02:09:33] <MichiBot> You still hold
the record Ariri, for now... 11 hours, 57 minutes and 44
seconds
 
L492[02:09:50] 

<Ariri>
~madrov
 
L493[02:09:58] 

<Ariri>
~markov
 
L494[02:09:58] <ocdoc> Usage: ~markov
nick
 
L496[02:10:06] 

<Ariri>
~markov ocdoc
 
L498[02:10:11] <Izaya> a terminal you s-
what
 
L499[02:10:21] <CompanionCube> do you do
full-disk encryption?
 
L500[02:10:35] 

<Ariri> for
my main drive yeah
 
L501[02:10:39] <CompanionCube> ah
 
L502[02:10:39] 

<Ariri> and
now for my usb
 
L503[02:10:46] 

<Ariri>
encrypting it now
 
L504[02:10:52] 

<Ariri>
Izaya: huh
 
L505[02:11:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
nice
 
L506[02:12:19] 

<Ariri> tbh
if i didnt game id trade that for my desktop
 
L507[02:12:47] <Izaya> I
wouldn't
 
L508[02:12:49] <Izaya> fuckin Intel
8080
 
L509[02:13:07] <Izaya> not even a 68?? or
65??
 
L510[02:13:11] <CompanionCube> also
resolution's crap on the terminal
 
L511[02:13:30] 

<Ariri>
eh
 
L512[02:13:39] 

<Ariri>
gives me Computer Games vibed
 
L513[02:13:42] 

<Ariri>
vibes
 
L514[02:13:45] 

<Ariri> War
Games
 
L515[02:13:48] 

<Ariri>
whatver it is
 
L516[02:14:19] <Izaya> literally the setup
from War Games
 
L517[02:14:27] <Izaya> IMSAI 8080, not
sure what terminal though
 
L518[02:14:45] 

<Ariri> I
knew that
 
L519[02:14:56] 

<Ariri> I
just have bad memory so i second guessmyself
 
L520[02:15:08] 

<Ariri> my
mind fools me
 
L521[02:15:19] 

<Ariri> i
knew the right side was for sure tho
 
L522[02:17:15] <CompanionCube> Izaya: the
shape vaguely reminds me of an adm-3a or somethinf
 
L523[02:35:30] <Izaya> tfw have to resort
to graphs to explain my backup strategy
 
L524[02:37:01] 

<Ariri>
oof
 
L525[02:40:23] 

<Ariri> be
back tomm, gn
 
L526[02:40:33] <Izaya> o/
 
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L528[05:49:16] <Lizzy> hmm, backups....
that's something i should start doing....
 
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L530[06:08:51] <Skye> ~markov Lizzy
 
L532[06:09:18] <Lizzy> lol
 
L533[06:09:30] <Skye> ~markov Skye
 
L534[06:09:31] <ocdoc> wifi works like a
tower of power macs and puts you into an anime girl!
 
L536[06:09:43] <Skye> Hmmm
 
L537[06:09:52] <Skye> WiFi turns you into
an anime girl?
 
L538[06:10:19] <Skye> ~markov Izaya
 
L539[06:10:25] <ocdoc> I'll confirm
that TACEATS1 sucks for a bit thanks to Classic Shell and ModernMix
so I would be reasonable :|
 
L541[06:10:48] <Skye> ~markov
CompanionCube
 
L542[06:10:49] <ocdoc> ShadowKatStudios,
you can renew FREE domain yourself if you can.
 
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L544[06:11:05] <Skye> ~markov
ShadowKatStusios
 
L545[06:11:05] <ocdoc> Please wait
...
 
L546[06:11:09] <Skye> ...
 
L547[06:11:16] <ocdoc> Nickname does not
exist
 
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L549[06:11:17] <Skye> ~markov
ShadowKatStudios
 
L550[06:11:18] <ocdoc> Please wait
...
 
L551[06:11:21] <ocdoc> So I can use most
robot to change the drives?
 
L552[06:14:12] 

<Bob>
mm
 
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L554[07:05:57] <AmandaC> I dont know how,
but I read that last markov as "...use moist robot
to...'
 
L555[07:06:42] <AmandaC> damn quantum
"i"s
 
L556[07:28:15] <t20kdc> %stab
quantum-stuff
 
L557[07:28:16] *
MichiBot stabs quantum-stuff with a Shiny Inari! (10%) doing 20
damage 
L558[07:28:40] <t20kdc> ... a... Shiny
Inari? Do Shiny Inaris even have a pointy area to stab with?
 
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L561[08:48:50] <simon816> >buys new
phone
 
L562[08:49:07] <simon816> >instantly
voids warranty and installs lineageos
 
L563[08:49:13] <Izaya> sounds sane to
me
 
L564[08:52:32] 

<Bob>
>buys phone
 
L565[08:52:32] 

<Bob>
>gets fucked by default frimware not allowing root but old
frimware does
 
L566[08:52:44] 

<Bob>
company is like, oh hey lets not allow root
 
L567[08:53:13] <simon816> I bought it
_because_ it had lineageos support
 
L568[08:53:17] <Izaya> remember
 
L569[08:53:25] <Izaya> if you don't
have root, it's not your device
 
L570[08:53:29] <simon816> ^
 
L571[08:57:24] 

<Bob>
^
 
L572[08:57:37] 

<Bob> as i
buy it the company announced that on their twiter
 
L573[08:57:42] 

<Bob> as if
they would do it for me
 
L574[08:57:48] 

<Bob>
~~dumbasses~~
 
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L580[09:17:37] <Inari> Vexy!
 
L581[09:19:50] 

<Bob>
OwO
 
L582[09:19:53] 

<Bob>
Who's this
 
L583[09:27:20] 

<Kodos>
%tonk
 
L584[09:27:20] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Kodos, you were not able to beat Ariri's record of 11 hours,
57 minutes and 44 seconds this time. 9 hours, 54 minutes and 20
seconds were wasted! Missed by 2 hours, 3 minutes and 23
seconds!
 
L585[09:35:35] <simon816> 12 hours is
proving quite the challenge :p
 
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L588[10:46:50] 

<Ariri>
Heh
 
L589[10:47:10] 

<Bob>
e
 
L590[10:47:40] 

<Ariri> Hee
hee
 
L591[10:48:05] 

<Bob>
Buehuehueheu
 
L592[10:48:14] <payonel> Izaya: what are
some phones that gives root out of the box?
 
L593[10:48:51] 

<Forecaster>
the new iWood
 
L594[10:49:00] 

<Ariri>
Xioami
 
L595[10:49:03] 

<Ariri>
Oppo
 
L596[10:49:13] 

<Ariri>
Cyanogen
 
L597[10:49:23] 

<Ariri>
Xiaomi
 
L598[10:49:26] 

<Bob> i
don't think its a phone Cyanogen
 
L599[10:49:27] 

<Ariri>
Whatever it is
 
L600[10:49:35] 

<Bob> Not a
phone
 
L601[10:49:38] 

<Bob> an
OS
 
L602[10:49:59] 

<Ariri>
Phones that come with that os have roof I think
 
L603[10:50:02] 

<Ariri>
Root
 
L604[10:50:34] 

<Bob>
Cyanogen is dead btw, Lineage is the new way to go
 
L605[10:51:10] 

<Bob> but
there are no phones with LineageOS preinstalled
 
L606[10:51:14] 

<Ariri>
Yeah
 
L607[10:51:54] 

<Ariri> But
what’s the difference between having root already and just rooting
any os
 
L608[10:52:02] 

<Ariri> I
know very little about it
 
L609[10:52:07] 

<Bob> Some
phones don't allow rooting
 
L610[10:52:18] 

<Bob>
because some manufacteres are evil and dumb
 
L611[10:52:28] 

<Bob> phones
dont come prerooted
 
L612[10:52:32] 

<Bob>
security risk and quite big
 
L613[10:52:46] 

<Bob> but
without root you cant really use a phone fully, advanced user
stuff
 
L614[10:53:00] 

<Ariri> I
see
 
L615[10:53:12] 

<Bob>
rooting basically allows anything
 
L616[10:53:17] 

<Ariri> So
like jailbreak
 
L617[10:53:19] 

<Bob>
Android runs on Linux kernel so
 
L618[10:53:20] 

<Ariri> As I
understand it
 
L619[10:53:23] 

<Bob> a PP
le
 
L620[10:53:31] 

<Ariri>
Ye
 
L621[10:53:41] <payonel> @ariri my
question was specifically "phones out of the box", i
wasn't interested in a list of phones that can/have been jail
broken
 
L622[10:53:51] 

<Bob>
^
 
L623[10:53:52] <payonel> so xioami and
oppo?
 
L624[10:53:54] 

<Ariri>
O
 
L625[10:53:58] 

<Ariri> I’m
pretty sure
 
L626[10:53:58] 

<Bob> i
don't think prerooted phone sexist
 
L627[10:54:13] 

<Ariri> I
think they have a sort iof rooting thing I heard in a convo
 
L628[10:54:18] 

<Ariri>
Lemme look
 
L629[10:54:29] 

<Bob> ios
jailbreak ew
 
L630[10:54:36] 

<Bob> ios is
easy since you only have one IOS to deal with
 
L631[10:54:37] 

<Ariri>
Unlike rooting other mobile phones that sounds like a lot of scary
work, Xiaomi or Redmi phones rooting can be done with less effort.
Xiaomi releases the Developer ROM for all kinds of Xiaomi and Redmi
phones, you can simply flash the Developer ROM to your phone to get
root privileges on Xiaomi or Redmi phones.
 
L632[10:54:55] 

<Ariri> True
but they make it so secure nowadays @Bob
 
L633[10:55:04] 

<Ariri> Only
one existed for iOS 12
 
L634[10:55:05] 

<Bob> Yea
but no
 
L635[10:55:11] 

<Bob>
))
 
L636[10:55:24] 

<Ariri>
-
 
L637[10:55:35] 

<Ariri>
Oh
 
L638[10:55:43] 

<Ariri>
Rooting a Mi doesn’t void warrant
 
L639[10:56:23] 

<Ariri>
Particular oppo devices can be rooted, not all, my bad, they
apparently lock the boot loader now
 
L640[10:56:44] 

<Bob> as i
bought my Nokia phone, HMD disabled boot unlocking
 
L641[10:56:50] 

<Bob> what
kind off bullshit is this
 
L643[10:57:16] 

<Bob> XDA
devlopers mmm
 
L644[10:57:16] 

<Ariri>
Maybe this phones can be rooted
 
L645[10:57:25] 

<Ariri>
Particular models*
 
L646[10:57:39] 

<Bob> not
every model of everyphone can be moded
 
L647[10:57:44] 

<Ariri>
Ye
 
L648[10:57:55] 

<Ariri> I’m
talking about oppo specifically
 
L649[10:59:50] 

<Ariri> So
payonel id look more into it just to make sure before u put money
into it but I think these oppo models and xioami phones can be
rooted easily
 
L650[11:00:19] 

<Ariri> Last
I checked tho, there’s only one affordable xioami, they’re premium
phones but damn they look nice
 
L651[11:00:22] 

<Bob> Buying
phone usually requires some research so
 
L652[11:00:36] 

<Ariri> Ye I
know but I’m just saying
 
L653[11:00:43] 

<Ariri> No
guarantees tm
 
L654[11:01:30] 

<Bob> wwho
needs them
 
L655[11:02:05] <payonel> well, i have a
phone that works :)
 
L656[11:02:08] 

<Ariri> No
guarantees what I’m saying is correct*
 
L657[11:02:14] <payonel> i'm not
looking to buy a new phone until it doesnt
 
L658[11:02:21] <payonel> was just curious
what ppl knew
 
L659[11:02:24] 

<Ariri>
Ah
 
L660[11:02:40] 

<Ariri> I
might get an Android one day
 
L661[11:02:46] 

<Ariri> I’m
keeping my iPhone tho
 
L662[11:02:57] 

<Ariri>
*gets kicked*
 
L663[11:03:40] <Izaya> payonel: basically
none, but there are manufacturers that allow you to flash custom
firmware without fucking around
 
L664[11:03:49] <Izaya> the Nexus 5 was
popular for that because it didn't void warranty
 
L665[11:04:21] 

<Bob>
o
 
L666[11:04:29] <Izaya> developer edition
phones usually are like that, but Motorola let you unlock your BIOS
by uploading some debug info to their site which is what I
did
 
L667[11:04:31] <Izaya> but uh
 
L668[11:04:41] <Izaya> PinePhone and
Librem 5, both soon(TM) will run real loonix
 
L669[11:06:23] 

<Ariri> I
actually thought the PinePhone was a joke earlier oop
 
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L671[11:06:34] <Izaya> nah it's
uh
 
L672[11:06:41] <Izaya> well, it's as
real as the Librem 5 at this stage
 
L673[11:06:46] <Izaya> there are developer
kits in the wild
 
L674[11:07:06] 

<Ariri>
Ah
 
L675[11:07:07] <Izaya> it's basically
the same hardware as the Pine64 boards anyway so
 
L676[11:07:40] 

<Ariri> Oh
ye ok
 
L677[11:08:40] <Izaya> I am hype about
it
 
L678[11:08:46] <Izaya> an affordable phone
running a decent OS
 
L679[11:08:50] <Izaya> the first on the
market
 
L680[11:08:50] 

<Ariri> Yeet
yeet
 
L681[11:09:01] 

<Ariri>
*about time*
 
L682[11:09:09] <Izaya> I mean I say
that
 
L683[11:09:14] <Izaya> but there was the
N900 like a decade ago
 
L684[11:09:27] 

<Ariri> Ooh
ye I was jk
 
L685[11:09:29] 

<Ariri>
Mostly
 
L686[11:09:48] 

<Ariri> But
I mean hey people still buy 1000 dollar phones so whatever
 
L687[11:10:07] 

<Ariri> Even
2000 bc apparently double the money means double the screens
 
L688[11:10:13] 

<Ariri>
Which broke pretty quick
 
L689[11:10:28] <Izaya> shocking
 
L690[11:10:45] 

<Ariri>
Lol
 
L691[11:11:08] 

<Ariri>
Hopefully the other company will do the butterfly screen
better
 
L692[11:11:52] <Izaya> dumb gimmick
 
L693[11:11:58] <Izaya> still no good input
method for phones
 
L694[11:12:22] 

<Ariri>
Wdym
 
L695[11:12:29] 

<Ariri> *NES
controller*
 
L696[11:12:38] 

<Ariri>
Duh
 
L697[11:12:39] <Izaya> but
 
L698[11:12:42] <Izaya> how does one type
well
 
L699[11:12:47] 

<Ariri>
Uh
 
L700[11:12:50] 

<Ariri> Two
of them
 
L701[11:12:57] 

<Ariri>
Yes
 
L702[11:13:02] <Izaya> I unironically
think the Valve Index controllers will be good for phone
input
 
L703[11:13:07] 

<Ariri> Pro
gamer move
 
L704[11:13:22] 

<Ariri> Wait
what are Index controllers
 
L706[11:13:43] <Izaya> these bizarro
monstrosities
 
L707[11:13:43] 

<Ariri>
Ohhh
 
L708[11:13:55] <Izaya> notable in that
they have a pressure-sensitive touchpad on the back
 
L709[11:13:58] 

<Ariri> Look
like a sawed steering wheel but hey
 
L710[11:14:13] 

<Ariri>
People have played Minecraft with a steering wheel so
 
L711[11:14:21] 

<Ariri> Ooh
ok^
 
L712[11:14:25] <Izaya> ie you could do a
4-key plus button + joystick chording keyboard
 
L713[11:14:58] 

<Ariri>
Yes
 
L714[11:15:00] 

<Ariri> Very
cool
 
L715[11:15:56] <Izaya> I'd prefer
something more compact with actual buttons for each finger but
whatever
 
L716[11:16:29] <Izaya> 4 buttons on the
back, a joystick, and 2 buttons on the top
 
L717[11:16:43] <Izaya> should get out my
drawing tablet and sketch one out
 
L718[11:16:57] 

<Ariri> I
can see it in my head
 
L719[11:17:06] 

<Ariri> It’d
be neat
 
L720[11:17:15] 

<Ariri> Er
functional
 
L721[11:17:17] <Izaya> perfect as a
keyboard, practical for controlling an emulator
 
L722[11:17:24] 

<Ariri> Some
adjective I can’t think of
 
L723[11:17:34] 

<Ariri>
Yes
 
L724[11:18:00] <Izaya> 5 more buttons than
a phone, too
 
L725[11:18:02] <Izaya> :D
 
L726[11:18:28] 

<Ariri>
Speaking of emulator, any one know good controllers for them, bc I
can’t find my 3ds and playing on my phone is a lil hard
 
L727[11:20:02] <Izaya> lemme see if I can
find the one I have
 
L729[11:21:26] 

<Ariri>
Interesting
 
L730[11:21:38] 

<Ariri>
Haven’t seen a shape like that
 
L731[11:22:04] <Izaya> yeah it looks like
it's uh
 
L732[11:22:10] <Izaya> designed for other
sorts of entertainment
 
L733[11:22:25] 

<Ariri> That
too lol
 
L734[11:22:26] <Izaya> wonder if it has
rumble
 
L735[11:22:28] *
Izaya coughs 
L736[11:22:38] 

<Ariri> I
mean it could be
 
L737[11:22:40] 

<Ariri>
^
 
L738[11:23:31] 

<Ariri>
Doesn’t say
 
L739[11:23:48] <Izaya> if that had the
buttons on the other side it'd be perfect
 
L740[11:23:57] <Izaya> ever seen the steam
pinwheel keyboard?
 
L741[11:24:47] 

<Ariri>
Don’t think so
 
L742[11:25:15] <Izaya> daisy wheel
rather
 
L744[11:25:31] 

<Ariri> Oh
wow wth
 
L745[11:25:33] 

<Ariri>
Looks cool
 
L746[11:25:38] <Izaya> it's designed
for a controller
 
L747[11:25:50] <Izaya> left stick to
select a cluster, then buttons to select a letter from the
cluster
 
L748[11:26:01] 

<Ariri>
Ohh
 
L749[11:26:04] <Izaya> managed about 20WPM
on it at one point
 
L750[11:26:07] 

<Ariri>
Pretty neat
 
L751[11:26:09] 

<Ariri>
Wow
 
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L754[11:29:03] 

<Ariri> Tfw
Netflix does a bath scene and you’re watching anime in the living
room
 
L755[11:29:20] *
Izaya hmms 
L756[11:29:36] <Izaya> I'd probably
have to roll my own controller if I intended to get what I want
x_X
 
L757[11:29:37] 

<Ariri>
%drink% anime water
 
L758[11:29:56] <Izaya> wonder if I can get
some sort of ez to use uC with bluetooth
 
L759[11:30:35] <Izaya> ESP32
 
L760[11:30:36] <Izaya> okey
 
L761[11:30:53] 

<Ariri>
Yes
 
L762[11:31:11] <Izaya> >NodeMCU is an
open source Lua based firmware for the ESP32 and ESP8266 WiFi SOC
from Espressif
 
L763[11:31:15] <Izaya> >:D
 
L764[11:31:17] 

<Ariri>
*kickstarter time*
 
L765[11:31:26] <Izaya> why would I do
that
 
L766[11:31:27] 

<Ariri> Oh
neat
 
L767[11:31:29] <Izaya> I have an
income
 
L768[11:31:39] 

<Ariri> Mass
manufacturing
 
L769[11:31:44] 

<Ariri> Bc
I’d buy it
 
L770[11:31:46] 

<Ariri> I
dunno
 
L771[11:31:50] <Izaya> a bigger issue
would be the case
 
L772[11:31:51] 

<Ariri> I
was sort of joking
 
L773[11:31:55] 

<Ariri>
Yeah
 
L774[11:32:03] 

<Ariri> 3D
printing???
 
L775[11:32:08] <Izaya> not sure how else
I'd do it
 
L776[11:32:08] 

<Ariri> Or
salvaging
 
L777[11:32:21] 

<Ariri>
That’s what I used to do when i was little
 
L778[11:32:25] 

<Ariri> Not
very practical tho
 
L779[11:32:38] <Izaya> yeah finding
something that would be the right shape would be a stretch
 
L780[11:32:49] 

<Ariri> Yeah
true
 
L781[11:33:11] <Izaya> ESP32 with
integrated OLED display, neat
 
L782[11:33:30] <Izaya> ESP32 with built-in
H-bridge motor driver, also neat
 
L783[11:33:41] 

<Ariri>
Sweet
 
L785[11:37:02] <Izaya> one of those, a few
buttons, and maybe an LED ring
 
L786[11:37:34] 

<Ariri>
That’d be cool
 
L787[11:37:35] <Izaya> batteries are also
a thing x_x
 
L788[11:37:41] 

<Ariri> I’d
replace the grip tho
 
L789[11:37:45] 

<Ariri> Or
cover it
 
L790[11:37:57] <Izaya> what do I need
batteries for I have a USB OTG adaptor
 
L791[11:38:06] <Izaya> I'll just
power the controller FROM THE PHONE >:D
 
L792[11:38:16] 

<Ariri>
That’s true too
 
L793[11:38:30] 

<Ariri> It’d
be a bit draining with the motor tho no
 
L794[11:38:40] <Izaya> the motor was just
a neat thing available
 
L795[11:38:45] <Izaya> no screen and no
motor drivers
 
L796[11:38:46] 

<Ariri>
Oh
 
L797[11:38:54] 

<Ariri>
Alright then
 
L798[11:38:59] <Izaya> gonna go for a
vanilla ESP32 dev board
 
L799[11:39:11] <Izaya> tape a joystick and
some buttons to it
 
L800[11:39:16] <Izaya> figure out some
sorta shitty battery setup
 
L801[11:39:36] <Izaya> and run it as a
generic bluetooth keyboard
 
L802[11:39:38] <Izaya> >:D
 
L803[11:39:46] 

<Ariri>
Maybe parallel lions from a batter pack or something
 
L804[11:40:00] 

<Ariri>
Battery
 
L805[11:46:30] <Izaya> I wonder
 
L806[11:46:41] <Izaya> could I implement
the keyboard as a 'matrix' of a sort
 
L807[11:47:02] <Izaya> probably more work
than it's worth
 
L808[11:47:08] 

<bad at
vijya> tbh
 
L809[11:47:25] <Izaya> better off to just
connect each switch to one pin given I have a whole 4 buttons
planned
 
L810[11:47:28] 

<bad at
vijya> next thing i wanna get is a 3d printer
 
L811[11:47:31] <Izaya> maybe I should go 6
buttons just for fun
 
L812[11:47:38] <Izaya> yeah I want a 3D
printer but that's like 500 ausbucks
 
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L814[11:51:21] <Izaya> well anyway
 
L815[11:51:33] <Izaya> that has been
tonight's session of drunken ideas with Izaya, good
night
 
L816[11:55:35] 

<bad at
vijya> there's cheap 3d printers lmao
 
L817[11:57:12] 

<Ariri> Good
night
 
L818[11:58:25] 

<Bob>
b
 
L819[12:00:22] 

<Forecaster>
I love how someone went to a planet, dumped a bunch of containers
and placed a few drones who are told to guard a square against
intruders
 
L820[12:00:42] 

<Forecaster>
but they don't actually care if you take the containers as
long as you don't remain in the square for too long
 
L822[12:01:06] 

<Lizzian>
lol
 
L823[12:03:52] 

<Forecaster>
the drones are now guarding an empty square
 
L824[12:06:00] <nos> Is there a
bug/feature in OC that lets you delete chunks?
 
L825[12:06:43] <Inari> I mean, certainly
not a feature?
 
L826[12:07:44] <payonel> nos: no
 
L827[12:07:58] 

<Forecaster>
that sounds like a great feature, for a griefer mod
 
L828[12:10:34] 

<bad at
vijya> so
 
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L831[12:13:05] <nos> It might be related
to a couple of strange problems I saw on the 1.7 server I was
playing on.
 
L832[12:14:03] <nos> My computer would
shut down then the chunk was unloaded, and another person's
would not show anything on the screen.
 
L833[12:14:43] <nos> Other computers
worked fine.
 
L834[12:15:31] <payonel> patch 1.7.5
coming soon
 
L835[12:15:46] <payonel> 1. i'll be
creating a milestone in github for 1.7.5 issues
 
L836[12:16:00] <payonel> 2. 1.7.5 will be
the last to support 1.7.10, 1.10, and 1.11
 
L837[12:19:25] <ben_mkiv> feelsbad
 
L838[12:19:39] <ben_mkiv> will be the
first to support 1.13 would be neat :P
 
L839[12:20:03] 

<Bob> 1.13
oof
 
L840[12:26:44] 

<bad at
vijya> so
 
L841[12:26:57] 

<bad at
vijya> new update coming to Zorya soon™
 
L842[12:27:09] 

<bad at
vijya> v2.0 is gonna be a big restructuring.
 
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L845[12:56:05] <AmandaC> payonel:
it'll also include the analyzer upgrade, right? :P
 
L846[12:57:41] <lopezt> anyone can suggest
a mc server with a modpack containng oc?
 
L847[13:00:49] <payonel> AmandaC: yep
:P
 
L848[13:01:36] <AmandaC> purrfect
 
L849[13:08:33] 

<Ariri> Ikr
lol @Forecaster I just go back and forth or I’ll shoot them out the
square
 
L850[13:09:00] 

<Forecaster>
I didn't need to shoot anything
 
L851[13:09:30] 

<Ariri> No
the containers I mean, it was the first time I Did it and it was
easier
 
L852[13:09:55] 

<Forecaster>
no need for that either
 
L853[13:10:12] 

<Forecaster>
I just made a pass and picked up a container, then went back the
other way and picked up another one
 
L854[13:10:19] 

<Ariri> Yeah
I know now but I never did many srv missions
 
L855[13:10:20] 

<Forecaster>
then dumped them in the ship and repeated
 
L856[13:10:28] 

<Ariri> Now
I only planetary scans
 
L857[13:10:30] 

<Ariri>
Do
 
L858[13:10:39] 

<Ariri>
Yeah^
 
L859[13:13:31] 

<Forecaster>
I'm grinding ranks with the federation
 
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L861[13:25:00] 

<Forecaster>
ugh
 
L863[13:30:03] 

<ayangd>
What is the best way to write docs about my project?
 
L864[13:30:29] 

<ayangd> *in
what form
 
L865[13:30:56] 

<Forecaster>
I hear Da Vinci liked writing mirrored notes
 
L867[13:39:50] <MichiBot> Thu Jun 13
07:49:15 CDT 2019 @estwebber: Rory Stewart says if Boris prorogues
that he (Rory) will sit across the road in Methodist Hall and hold
an alternative parliament
 
L868[13:44:51] 

<bad at
vijya> ayy
 
L869[13:46:22] 

<bad at
vijya> i think i've got a good way to dump binary files as
strings so i can embed them into lua scripts
 
L871[13:48:21] 

<bad at
vijya> probably faster ways of doing it but
 
L872[13:48:23] 

<bad at
vijya> lmao
 
L873[13:49:55] 

<Ariri> how
th do i disable superfetch entirely, regedit doesnt do
anything
 
L874[13:50:01] 

<Ariri> Its
so annoyin
 
L875[13:50:31] 

<Forecaster>
what is superfetch
 
L876[13:51:47] 

<Ariri> its
Windows 10 stupid ass pre cache thing supposed to load programs in
advance but its stupid and uses dumb amounts of memory and IO
 
L877[13:52:21] 

<Ariri>
Lowkey wanna just delete the porgram
 
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<Bob>
Windows 10 is a joke
 
L880[14:01:32] 

<Ariri>
ok
 
L881[14:01:37] <AmandaC> @Ariri it
doesn't matter? If something needs that ram, I assume Windows
is going to unload whatever it's pre-fetched, so what's
it hurt to have the ram in use?
 
L882[14:02:08] <AmandaC> Cache memory is
memory that can be cleaned out safely without causing apps to catch
fire
 
L883[14:02:27] 

<Ariri> not
really, bc it even does that while gaming and in load, which causes
lag, and it doesnt unload like at all or fast enough
 
L884[14:02:39] 

<Ariri> it
creates mad lag on minecraft
 
L885[14:02:49] 

<Ariri> even
when using 80% of my ram
 
L886[14:02:58] 

<Ariri> was
even worse when i only had 8 gb
 
L887[14:03:13] <AmandaC> games don't
use the sustem memory management usually
 
L888[14:03:25] <AmandaC> They carve out
chunks of memory, the subdivide it for their own purposes in the
game
 
L889[14:03:31] 

<Ariri> i
dont even know wth its preloading
 
L890[14:04:16] 

<Ariri> no
but even as the applications im actively using get bigger, it
doesnt unload and then it starts hdd swapping
 
L891[14:04:22] 

<Ariri> its
a gimmick
 
L892[14:04:50] 

<Ariri> and
itll do it under load, so my disk activity will skyrocket and
everything slows down
 
L893[14:05:03] *
AmandaC shrugs 
L894[14:05:10] *
AmandaC goes back to playing with her oc codebase 
L895[14:10:28] 

<Bob>
E
 
L896[14:10:40] 

<Bob> love2d
after OC lmao
 
L897[14:10:48] <Inari> Wow
 
L898[14:10:53] <Inari> nuclear power sucks
in efficiency
 
L899[14:11:21] 

<Forecaster>
E:D would be a lot more interesting if the FSD didn't let you
straight up ignore orbital mechanics while in-system
 
L900[14:11:36] <Inari> Yeah, it's a
shame there arent really orbital mechanics
 
L901[14:15:44] <AmandaC> payonel: I
discovered an interesting issue with the lua-language-server thing.
It doesn't take to `require` being redefined well at all
 
L902[14:16:12] <AmandaC> payonel: It
totally breaks the normal cross-file type inferrence
 
L903[14:16:56] <AmandaC> payonel: This can
be worked around, but it's not pretty.
 
L904[14:18:09] 

<Bob> i need
to learn lua weak tables
 
L905[14:18:19] 

<Bob> __mode
metamethod and k v
 
L907[14:20:41] <MichiBot> 
Title:
Doesn't handle require being redefined well at all. 
|
Posted by: AmandaCameron 
| Posted: Thu Jun 13 14:20:20
CDT 2019 
| Status: open
 
L908[14:23:10] <bauen1> did anyone ever
attempt to seperate "userspace" and "operating
system" or does the sandboxing just cost too much ram /
performance ?
 
L909[14:23:58] *
CompanionCube wonders if that's possible in the lua
environment 
L910[14:25:41] 

<Bob> Yes
but..
 
L912[14:26:39] 

<Ariri> just
download more dedicated rams
 
L913[14:27:06] <bauen1> watching that
hurts ... a lot
 
L914[14:27:11] <bauen1> ram has gotten way
too pricey
 
L915[14:27:23] 

<Ariri>
speakign of E:D, why does the fsd slow down when u pass the orbit
lines of planets and stuff
 
L916[14:27:27] 

<Ariri> yeah
right^
 
L917[14:27:48] 

<Ariri> i
paid 130 for 16gb og ddr4 3000 in total
 
L918[14:27:58] 

<Ariri> more
expensive than my cpu ffs
 
L919[14:28:17] 

<Ariri>
almost*
 
L920[14:31:04] 

<bad at
vijya> CompanionCube: It should be possible if you load with
different function enviroments
 
L921[14:31:20] 

<bad at
vijya> bauen1: I'm going to try to do so with my kernel,
Tsuki.
 
L922[14:31:41] <bauen1> same here
 
L923[14:31:59] 

<bad at
vijya> But first, I'm rewriting my BIOS :^)
 
L924[14:32:11] 

<bad at
vijya> Zorya v2.0, here we come
 
L925[14:32:31] <bauen1> if performance
really is an issue, you can just have one sandbox for the entirety
of userspace, and if yomeone decides they really need
"security" they can have another env for a subgroup i
guess
 
L926[14:32:44] 

<bad at
vijya> now with more SECURITY and MODULES
 
L927[14:32:53] 

<bad at
vijya> and options
 
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L931[14:48:49] 

<bad at
vijya> ok then
 
L932[14:51:31] 

<bad at
vijya> fUCK
 
L933[14:51:36] 

<bad at
vijya> MY BIOS IS JUST A BIT TOO BIG
 
L934[14:52:24] <bauen1> time to start
using runtime compression
 
L935[14:52:51] <bauen1> also why does the
buffer API use unicode for the mode ._.
 
L936[14:54:26] <simon816> INSERT INTO meta
VALUES('auth_uid_for_type:com.android.skynet','10053');
 
L937[14:54:28] <simon816> hmmm
 
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L939[14:56:56] 

<Ariri> Does
OC wireless have any limits to using wires for adapters and
stuf
 
L940[14:57:13] 

<Bob>
?
 
L941[14:58:07] 

<Ariri> like
ComputerCraft does, using a wireless network doesnt work with most
programs
 
L942[14:58:47] 

<Bob> uh
then CC should be horrible
 
L943[14:59:01] 

<Bob> in OC
you can use wireless and wired stuff at the same time
 
L944[14:59:09] 

<Bob> OC is
better
 
L945[14:59:19] 

<Ariri> So
it doesnt make a difference then
 
L946[14:59:36] 

<Ariri> yeah
but CC worked for me, v simple
 
L947[14:59:44] 

<Bob> Using
a wireless card or relay doesnt do anything bad
 
L948[14:59:55] 

<Bob> just
connects to the pc / network as all things should be
 
L949[15:00:39] 

<Ariri> ok,
so wireless card and what
 
L950[15:01:09] 

<Bob> relay
with wireless card
 
L951[15:01:16] 

<bad at
vijya> HAHA
 
L952[15:01:17] 

<Ariri>
ok
 
L953[15:01:17] 

<bad at
vijya> I GOT IT
 
L954[15:01:21] 

<bad at
vijya> 4066 BYTES
 
L955[15:01:23] 

<Bob> @bad
at vijya :GWlulurdMmmYea:
 
L956[15:01:30] 

<Bob> minify
Lua tm
 
L957[15:01:34] 

<bad at
vijya> that's what i did
 
L958[15:01:36] 

<bad at
vijya> but even then
 
L959[15:01:45] 

<bad at
vijya> i had to start local-ing a lot of function calls
 
L960[15:01:52] 

<Bob>
loxalize everythinf
 
L961[15:01:53] 

<bad at
vijya> like even gpu.fill and gpu.set
 
L962[15:01:54] 

<Ariri> wait
the tooltip says components will not be visible
 
L963[15:01:55] 

<Bob>
yes
 
L964[15:02:04] 

<bad at
vijya> hell
 
L965[15:02:11] 

<bad at
vijya> i even had to make some strings variables
 
L966[15:02:14] 

<Bob> @Ariri
relays just pass network messages not components oe energy
 
L967[15:02:19] 

<Bob>
ye
 
L968[15:02:21] 

<bad at
vijya> like "zorya-modules/" and
"init.lua"
 
L969[15:02:32] 

<Ariri> I
need to connect an energy storage
 
L970[15:02:37] 

<Bob>
no
 
L972[15:02:40] 

<Ariri> for
monitoring
 
L973[15:02:43] 

<Bob> power
relay thingy
 
L974[15:02:50] 

<Bob> power
sharer or whatev it is
 
L975[15:03:00] 

<bad at
vijya> yeah so
 
L976[15:03:08] 

<bad at
vijya> there's no way i can have a fallback mode
 
L977[15:03:13] 

<bad at
vijya> anymore
 
L978[15:03:32] 

<bad at
vijya> if you somehow bork the install
 
L979[15:03:46] 

<bad at
vijya> you've gotta grab a Lua EEPROM and repair your
system
 
L980[15:04:27] 

<Ariri> No i
need it to monitor an energy sphere in a remote location for a
programs automation
 
L981[15:04:36] 

<Bob> Eadely
doable
 
L982[15:04:43] 

<Bob> Link
cards or modems
 
L983[15:04:54] 

<Bob> modems
imply wireless and wired networks
 
L984[15:05:21] 

<Ariri> so
itll work as if connected by wire
 
L985[15:05:35] 

<bad at
vijya> now
 
L986[15:05:42] 

<Bob>
Ye
 
L987[15:05:46] 

<bad at
vijya> i'm gonna work on the modules in a bit
 
L988[15:05:49] 

<Bob> but
modem have their own component and event
 
L989[15:05:57] 

<Bob> so not
quite as a wire
 
L990[15:06:09] 

<Bob> but
you can make a remote component library
 
L991[15:06:24] 

<Ariri> its
not my program...
 
L992[15:06:39] 

<Ariri> im
gonna start that in another modpack
 
L993[15:07:01] 

<Bob> Wont
matter, OC is the same across everywhere
 
L994[15:07:15] 

<Ariri> i
know but i have no real reason to automate much here rn
 
L995[15:07:27] 

<Bob>
automate the automaton
 
L996[15:07:54] 

<Ariri>
?
 
L997[15:08:09] 

<Bob> make
robots make robots that will automate stuff
 
L998[15:08:13] 

<Bob> make
robots to make robots
 
L999[15:08:27] 

<Ariri> lol
whats what i said for kamikaze bots
 
L1000[15:08:34] 

<Ariri>
swagger points
 
L1001[15:08:48] 

<Ariri>
robots make robots to go out and blow people up
 
L1002[15:09:10] 

<Ariri>
"look for Draconic Reactor, place TNT, ignite"
 
L1003[15:09:23] 

<Bob>
robots dont have eyes
 
L1004[15:09:25] 

<Ariri>
"get the hell out asap"
 
L1005[15:09:29] 

<Bob>
neither block detectors
 
L1006[15:09:53] 

<Ariri>
whatever
 
L1007[15:09:55] 

<Ariri>
coords then
 
L1008[15:10:41] 

<Bob>
coords should work but still
 
L1009[15:10:45] 

<Ariri>
eh
 
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<Forecaster> woo I'm a Lt. commander
in the Federation
 
L1014[15:20:15] 

<Forecaster> only 3 more ranks to go
 
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<Bob>
stroke at a new level
 
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<Bob>
bruh
 
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L1034[16:11:31] 

<Bob>
apparently metamethod index < if statement for speed
 
L1035[16:26:52] <AmandaC> calling a
function is slower than a branch? shock! awe!
 
L1036[16:27:05] <AmandaC> :P
 
L1037[16:27:50] <AmandaC> %8ball torment
myself with the parkour some more?
 
L1038[16:27:50] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
Without a doubt
 
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L1040[16:28:53] <AmandaC> right, I guess
I'll give it a try before moving on to other games
 
L1041[16:32:15] 

<Ariri>
tfw when ur usually 6-8 gb modpack drops to 2 gb
 
L1042[16:35:30] 

<Bob>
Java GC decides to finally kick in
 
L1043[16:37:48] 

<Ariri>
never did that before, and it just lagged me lol
 
L1044[16:39:00] 

<Bob> Ye
it lags because the GC uses CPU to see if a thing is garbage and
not and collects it
 
L1045[16:39:19] 

<Bob>
get a more agressive GC
 
L1046[16:39:27] 

<Bob> so
MC has less time to create garbage
 
L1047[16:39:32] 

<Bob>
and less RAM usage
 
L1048[16:39:40] 

<Bob>
CPU usage will increase but be smooth
 
L1049[16:40:00] <bauen1> has nobody tried
to reimplement some of the more intensive code parts of minecraft
in something like C to increase performance ?
 
L1050[16:40:54] 

<Bob> If
minecraft needed to be performant, it wouldnt be written the way
its written now and work on Java and OpenGL
 
L1051[16:41:08] 

<Bob>
Lua is perfect since its small and really fast
 
L1052[16:41:17] 

<Bob>
faster than other scripting languages
 
L1053[16:41:26] 

<Bob>
Lua is built on C so its C of some sort
 
L1054[16:45:49] <alexandria> bauen1:
isn't that the entire idea of the windows C++ port
 
L1055[16:46:18] 

<Bob>
:GWlulurdMmmYea:
 
L1056[16:46:22] 

<Bob>
Ahahaa
 
L1057[16:46:28] 

<Bob>
Isnt MineOS enough
 
L1058[16:48:47] 

<Ariri>
o
 
L1059[16:49:27] <bauen1> right ms did a
thing
 
L1060[16:50:04] <bauen1> i should try
that if i ever come near a windows computer with mc installed
 
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L1062[17:09:52] <t20kdc> alexandria: If
only. If only that was the idea behind it.
 
L1063[17:10:12] <t20kdc> alexandria: If
only it was just an honest attempt to improve performance that
could just be ported to other platforms.
 
L1064[17:10:22] <t20kdc> alexandria:
That'd have been nice.
 
L1065[17:12:26] 

<bad at
vijya> lol
 
L1066[17:12:33] 

<bad at
vijya> they just want more money tbh
 
L1067[17:15:57] <lopezt> bauen1: thats a
fancy name you have
 
L1068[17:16:21] <lopezt> what discord you
guys are lingering around?
 
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L1070[17:21:27] <Inari> bauen1: Fun fact,
Java can be faster than C :D
 
L1071[17:36:47] <payonel> AmandaC: why
are you redefining require? :)
 
L1072[17:38:35] <AmandaC> payonel:
I'm not, per say
 
L1073[17:39:00] <AmandaC> payonel: from
the list plugin's perspective, require is built in and handled
specially
 
L1074[17:39:42] <AmandaC> payonel: so
openos / my pxe bootloader's definition is shadowing that, and
breaking a function of the extension
 
L1075[17:40:25] <AmandaC> payonel: I
solved it for my pxe by making require part of the package package
and then defining it in the netbooted code with the env
 
L1076[17:42:20] <AmandaC> Err, lua not
list
 
L1077[17:51:35] 

<EveryOS> Does OpenComputers have a way to
yield without blocking execution? In CC there is queueEvent, but I
am not sure if OC has an equivalent
 
L1078[17:52:26] <AmandaC> ... queueEvent
doesn't yield
 
L1079[17:52:54] 

<EveryOS> In CC you can run queueEvent
right before yield to skip the wait
 
L1080[17:53:23] 

<EveryOS> Or, if you need events still, you
can do it right after the yield and at the beginning of the
program
 
L1081[17:53:34] <AmandaC> Just yield with
a timeout of 0
 
L1082[17:53:48] 

<EveryOS> Ah, thanks
 
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<EveryOS> How does OC's os.clock
compare to real time? What do I multiply it by to get
seconds?
 
L1088[18:14:58] 

<Ariri>
if its in ticks, 20
 
L1089[18:15:09] 

<EveryOS> Thank you, I will try that
 
L1090[18:15:14] 

<Ariri>
unless the server is configd differently, but it shouldnt be
 
L1091[18:16:39] 

<Ariri>
```os.clock has been reimplemented to return the approximate CPU
time, meaning the time the computer has actually been running in an
executor thread. This is not the same as the time the computer has
been running, for that see computer.uptime.```
 
L1092[18:16:42] 

<Ariri>
@EveryOS
 
L1093[18:17:14] 

<EveryOS> I know, I saw that in a wiki, I
was just wondering what the conversion to seconds is
 
L1094[18:17:41] 

<Ariri>
oh yeah, 20 ticks per second / 0.05 seconds per tick
 
L1095[18:17:52] 

<EveryOS> Thank you
 
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L1101[21:17:35] <payonel> @EveryOS the oc
machine api yields to get signals, there is no way around
that
 
L1102[21:17:47] <payonel> however, a
single coroutine yield does not mean you lose a game tick
 
L1103[21:18:55] <payonel> if you push a
signal and then pull for that signal immediately after, you'll
see that signal approximately 80 times per second
 
L1104[22:24:41] <CompanionCube>
%tonkout
 
L1105[22:24:42] <MichiBot> Willikers!
CompanionCube! You beat Ariri's previous record of 11 hours,
57 minutes and 44 seconds (By 59 minutes and 37 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
 
L1106[22:24:43] <MichiBot> CompanionCube
has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.012 tonk
points! plus 0.011 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 0.62112
 
L1107[22:24:55] <CompanionCube>
muahaha
 
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<Ariri>
Damn you
 
L1111[23:46:05] 

<Ariri>
I will reclaim the throne
 
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<Ariri>
CompanionCube: So you did tonkout to reset it to 0 right?
 
L1114[23:49:20] 

<Ariri>
Still not sure
 
L1115[23:49:26] 

<Ariri>
@ me
 
L1116[23:49:28] <CompanionCube> yes
 
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