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L3[00:53:37] <PrismaticYT> Game crashes
sometimes when I open the Remote Terminal
L4[00:53:41] <PrismaticYT> Crash report:
https://pastebin.com/zfTqYeyU
L5[00:54:13] <PrismaticYT> (this just
randomly starts happening and I have no idea what makes it start,
I've never encountered it before 1.7.3)
L6[00:54:17] <PrismaticYT> Also I'm using
1.7.10
L7[00:58:58] <PrismaticYT> I'm pretty sure
it's an OC bug because of the line "at
li.cil.oc.client.GuiHandler$.getClientGuiElement(GuiHandler.scala:116)"
(I'm not very familiar with Java code but "li.cil.oc"
means "OpenComputers" I'm guessing?)
L8[01:11:24] <PrismaticYT> It just starts
happening and then I can't use any Remote Terminal (even if I
replace it and the Terminal Server) - will try using monitor and
keyboard and see if the bug extends to that too (most likely won't
but hey it's worth a shot)
L9[01:13:51] <PrismaticYT> I have no idea
why it happens, but it does.
L10[01:23:36] <PrismaticYT> Nope, doesn't
extend to screen + keyboard (as expected).
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L12[01:27:49] <Trainfan91> THIS IS A TEST:
IF U SEE THIS U R 2 CLOSE
L13[01:29:00] <Trainfan91> So, Could u read
it?
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L16[02:13:02] <Skye> Uh
L17[02:14:48] <Fira__> Too close for
missiles! I'm switching to primaries! Guns Guns Guns!
L18[03:06:16] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1544086164107.jpg
L19[03:14:53] 
<Lizzian> oh
dear
<Lizzian> oh
dearL20[03:14:58] <Lizzian>
that doesn't look good
<Lizzian>
that doesn't look goodL21[05:14:57] <EcmaXp>
OMG
<EcmaXp>
OMGL22[05:20:40] <Forecaster>
OpenModularGods
<Forecaster>
OpenModularGodsL23[05:22:55] <EcmaXp>
?
<EcmaXp>
?L24[06:01:32] <ZefTheFox>
I'm gonna try to get a windows mixed reality headset
<ZefTheFox>
I'm gonna try to get a windows mixed reality headsetL25[06:01:54] <MGR>
Nice
<MGR>
NiceL26[06:02:15] <ZefTheFox>
My gpu is even listed on their site as compatible
<ZefTheFox>
My gpu is even listed on their site as compatibleL27[06:02:22] <ZefTheFox>
It's really rare for that
<ZefTheFox>
It's really rare for thatL28[06:02:23] <MGR> What's
your GPU?
<MGR> What's
your GPU?L29[06:02:51] <ZefTheFox>
They tend to list an Nvidia one and say "equivalent
cards"
<ZefTheFox>
They tend to list an Nvidia one and say "equivalent
cards"L30[06:02:56] <ZefTheFox>
Rx 460
<ZefTheFox>
Rx 460L31[06:03:05] <MGR> 460 is
not a bad card ?
<MGR> 460 is
not a bad card ?L32[06:03:22] <MGR> It
comes in right around the 1050, which also isn't a bad card for
1080p
<MGR> It
comes in right around the 1050, which also isn't a bad card for
1080pL33[06:03:26] <ZefTheFox>
Not at all, the vrams a little less than the card it replaced
<ZefTheFox>
Not at all, the vrams a little less than the card it replacedL34[06:03:47] <ZefTheFox>
But I'm pleased with the performance
<ZefTheFox>
But I'm pleased with the performanceL35[06:03:56] <ZefTheFox>
I don't need nor want 4k
<ZefTheFox>
I don't need nor want 4kL36[06:04:11] ⇦
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Oh here comes the quit and join wall
<ZefTheFox>
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L42[06:05:57] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L43[06:06:03] <MGR> It has
less VRAM than the 360?
<MGR> It has
less VRAM than the 360?L44[06:06:34] <MGR> It
shows the same for me
<MGR> It
shows the same for meL45[06:06:40] <MGR> 360 is
2GB and 460 is 2GB
<MGR> 360 is
2GB and 460 is 2GBL46[06:08:19] <ZefTheFox>
I used to have an r7 370
<ZefTheFox>
I used to have an r7 370L47[06:08:27] <ZefTheFox>
4GB varient
<ZefTheFox>
4GB varientL48[06:08:38] <MGR>
Ohhh
<MGR>
OhhhL49[06:08:51] <MGR> The
card it replaces *for you*. I thought you meant in AMD's product
stack
<MGR> The
card it replaces *for you*. I thought you meant in AMD's product
stackL50[06:08:55] <ZefTheFox>
It died so I sent it in for a replacement and received the rx
460
<ZefTheFox>
It died so I sent it in for a replacement and received the rx
460L51[06:09:11] <ZefTheFox>
Yeah
<ZefTheFox>
YeahL52[06:09:22] <MGR> I have
a spare 370 kicking around
<MGR> I have
a spare 370 kicking aroundL53[06:09:46] <MGR> The
7870 was getting up there in age by the time it hit the 300 series,
but it was still a solid card
<MGR> The
7870 was getting up there in age by the time it hit the 300 series,
but it was still a solid cardL54[06:10:06] <ZefTheFox>
It was still a great card
<ZefTheFox>
It was still a great cardL55[06:10:14] <ZefTheFox>
Perfectly capable for what I played
<ZefTheFox>
Perfectly capable for what I playedL56[06:10:36] <MGR>
Yeah
<MGR>
YeahL57[06:11:07] <MGR> That
tier is a solid 1080p card
<MGR> That
tier is a solid 1080p cardL58[06:11:19] <ZefTheFox>
And 1080 is what I use
<ZefTheFox>
And 1080 is what I useL59[06:11:33] <ZefTheFox>
It ran gta 5 at mid-high
<ZefTheFox>
It ran gta 5 at mid-highL60[06:12:10] <ZefTheFox>
I just realized how old gta 5 is
<ZefTheFox>
I just realized how old gta 5 isL61[06:12:13] <ZefTheFox>
Wholy crap
<ZefTheFox>
Wholy crapL62[06:23:21] ⇨
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L63[06:24:02] <MGR> You
should upgrade to a Titan RTX for your 1080p GTA V. It's definitely
necessary
<MGR> You
should upgrade to a Titan RTX for your 1080p GTA V. It's definitely
necessaryL64[07:12:21] <ZefTheFox>
Yeeeeeaaaaah totally
<ZefTheFox>
Yeeeeeaaaaah totallyL65[07:34:40] <Forecaster>
Is this right or am I math'ing completely wrong? http://tinyurl.com/y9ox9msv
<Forecaster>
Is this right or am I math'ing completely wrong? http://tinyurl.com/y9ox9msvL66[07:44:08] ⇦
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L68[07:58:43] <ZefTheFox>
I can't tell you without seeing the number set
<ZefTheFox>
I can't tell you without seeing the number setL69[07:59:01] <MGR>
^
<MGR>
^L70[07:59:07] <MGR>
Average depends on the number set
<MGR>
Average depends on the number setL71[08:12:47] <Forecaster>
maybe average is the wrong term
<Forecaster>
maybe average is the wrong termL72[08:12:56] <Forecaster>
I want the mid-point between the min and max value
<Forecaster>
I want the mid-point between the min and max valueL73[08:16:01] <MGR>
Oh
<MGR>
OhL74[08:16:20] <MGR> Then
your math is wrong on the second one at least
<MGR> Then
your math is wrong on the second one at leastL75[08:16:28] <MGR> And
the 4th and 5th
<MGR> And
the 4th and 5thL76[08:16:34] <MGR> and
the 3rd
<MGR> and
the 3rdL77[08:16:41] <MGR> All of
them look wrong except for the 1st one
<MGR> All of
them look wrong except for the 1st oneL78[08:16:49] <Forecaster>
it's the same calculation
<Forecaster>
it's the same calculationL79[08:17:07] <Forecaster>
`(max - min) /2`
<Forecaster>
`(max - min) /2`L80[08:17:56] <MGR> That's
not giving you the midpoint
<MGR> That's
not giving you the midpointL81[08:18:03] <Forecaster>
I figured
<Forecaster>
I figuredL82[08:18:09] <MGR>
Because 140 is 100 away from 40, but not 320
<MGR>
Because 140 is 100 away from 40, but not 320L83[08:21:59] ⇨
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L84[08:22:12] <Inari> Boobp
L85[08:30:02] <Forecaster>
dangit math >:
<Forecaster>
dangit math >:L86[08:35:16] <Forecaster>
ah, it should be `((max - min) / 2) + min` I think
<Forecaster>
ah, it should be `((max - min) / 2) + min` I thinkL87[08:38:42] <Forecaster>
`Math.floor(((max - min) /2) + min)`
<Forecaster>
`Math.floor(((max - min) /2) + min)`L89[08:39:30] <Forecaster>
that works
<Forecaster>
that worksL90[08:54:40] <AmandaC> payonel: have you
tested psh with a headless/GPU-less computer?
L91[09:23:44] <AmandaC> Inari: http://imgur.com/gallery/OwiTRJ9
L93[09:40:47] <AmandaC> payonel: seems a
GPU is required ( and I may have fucked up my wiring before
discovering this )
L94[09:49:17] <Inari> AmandaC: o.o
L95[09:52:19] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/RR539O9 pretty
L96[10:21:47] <Kodos> I
believe that's wrong
<Kodos> I
believe that's wrongL97[10:21:54] <Kodos> Oh,
scrolled up
<Kodos> Oh,
scrolled upL98[10:21:55] <Kodos>
Foiled again
<Kodos>
Foiled againL99[10:42:58] <Forecaster>
ohno
<Forecaster>
ohnoL100[10:47:54] ⇦
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L101[10:48:13] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L102[10:48:22] <MGR> I hope
my computer's ok
<MGR> I hope
my computer's okL103[10:55:23]
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L105[10:56:02] <Lizzy> %tonk
L106[10:56:03] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Lizzy,
you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 16 hours, 52
minutes and 1 second this time.
L107[10:56:04] <MichiBot> 13 hours, 47
minutes and 16 seconds were wasted!
L108[10:56:07] <Lizzy> ah fuck
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L115[11:31:57] <Kodos>
RIP
<Kodos>
RIPL116[11:33:41] <simon816> does tonk work
anywhere in a message?
L117[11:33:56] <Forecaster>
no
<Forecaster>
noL118[11:34:18] <Forecaster>
commands have to be in the beginning
<Forecaster>
commands have to be in the beginningL119[11:34:19] <simon816> aw, though about
a remindme where the bot tonks :p
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L121[11:35:20] <Forecaster>
MichiBot doesn't look for commands in her own messages either
<Forecaster>
MichiBot doesn't look for commands in her own messages eitherL122[11:35:36] <MGR>
........
<MGR>
........L123[11:35:38] <MGR> That's
weird
<MGR> That's
weirdL124[11:35:43] <MGR> My
internet must have cut out
<MGR> My
internet must have cut outL125[11:52:38] <Michiyo> Oh, sorry I
tripped over the cord..
L126[11:52:42] <Michiyo> I turned it back
on though
L127[11:53:16] <MGR> Thank
you
<MGR> Thank
youL128[11:58:43] <payonel> AmandaC: it
should work without one, no i haven't specifically tested that
yet
L129[11:58:49] <payonel> AmandaC: i'll fix
that tonight
L130[11:58:54] <payonel> sorry :(
L131[11:59:29] <AmandaC> payonel: Not too
big a deal, just throwing a T1 GPU fixes it
L132[11:59:43] <AmandaC> payonel: I
suspect /bin/sh has something like `if not component.gpu then exit
`
L133[11:59:52] <AmandaC> because it'll
connect, then immediately disconnect
L134[11:59:52] <payonel> yes, almost
L135[12:00:04] <payonel> it asks the
terminal, which has window data, which is being faked by the psh
host
L136[12:00:07] <payonel> but ... yeah,
i'll investigate
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L139[12:12:12] <payonel> AmandaC: besides
the gpu issue, how has your experience been?
L140[12:12:51] <AmandaC> payonel: havn't
messed with it much, got stuck in a resource loop shortly after I
finished assembling it, still getting my base server set up.
LP
L141[12:15:16] <FLORANA>
hey is it posible to use threads without openOS?
<FLORANA>
hey is it posible to use threads without openOS?L142[12:15:34] <payonel> AmandaC: resource
loop?
L143[12:15:44] <MGR> Lua
Coroutines will let you do some of the same things
<MGR> Lua
Coroutines will let you do some of the same thingsL144[12:15:47] <AmandaC> payonel: as in,
iron / copper / etc
L145[12:16:03] <payonel> ah, i was worried
you were talking about psh
L146[12:16:25] <FLORANA>
Lua Coroutines?
<FLORANA>
Lua Coroutines?L147[12:16:27] <payonel> @FLORANA openos
threads are really cool :)
L148[12:16:41] <payonel> yeah, openos
threads are just Lua coroutines with a lot of magic
L149[12:16:46] <FLORANA>
yah but i'm trying to make my own OS
<FLORANA>
yah but i'm trying to make my own OSL150[12:17:07] <payonel> @FLORANA are you
unfamiliar with coroutines?
L151[12:17:18] <FLORANA>
pretty much...
<FLORANA>
pretty much...L152[12:17:49] <payonel> @FLORANA running
a coroutine is like a typical function call
L153[12:18:06] <payonel> @FLORANA BUT ...
a function call that gets a call stack. are you familiar with call
stacks?
L154[12:18:23] <FLORANA>
yes i do emulation
<FLORANA>
yes i do emulationL155[12:18:45] <FLORANA>
(well it's more of a custom emulation but yes it has a stack)
<FLORANA>
(well it's more of a custom emulation but yes it has a stack)L156[12:18:46] <payonel> ok, so a
coroutine a function call that gets its own, brand new and shiny,
call stack
L157[12:19:11] <payonel> from the
perspective of the coroutine, there is no calling function, it is
at the very bottom(start) of the call stack
L158[12:19:47] <payonel> and, at ANY point
(i.e. any frame in the call stack, after calling any number of
functions) you can coroutine.yield()
L159[12:19:50] <FLORANA> so
like `init functions` -> loop -> `tick functions`?
<FLORANA> so
like `init functions` -> loop -> `tick functions`?L160[12:20:15] <payonel> um can you
explain your "so like" example a bit more?
L161[12:20:23] <FLORANA>
... idk
<FLORANA>
... idkL162[12:20:33] <payonel> ok i'll go on a
bit more
L163[12:20:34] <FLORANA> i
though though ahead... sorry
<FLORANA> i
though though ahead... sorryL164[12:20:41] <AmandaC> payonel: okay,
yeah, my wires were mixed. It needs both a GPU **and** a
screen
L165[12:20:54] <payonel> AmandaC: lame,
DEFINITELY a bug
L166[12:20:57] <payonel> AmandaC:
sorry
L167[12:21:20] <payonel> @FLORANA so, to
create a coroutine, you supply a function
L168[12:21:21] <AmandaC> payonel: would it
log anything anywhere other than /tmp/event.log if it was a
hard-crash?
L169[12:21:32] <payonel> so instead of
calling foo(), you: local co = coroutine.creae(foo)
L170[12:21:44] <AmandaC> ( /tmp appears to
be empty once I hot-plugged a screen / kb is why I ask )
L171[12:21:53] <FLORANA> so
coroutine is a built in function?
<FLORANA> so
coroutine is a built in function?L172[12:21:56] <payonel> then, when you
resume (call) your coroutine (`co` in this case), it just calls
foo()
L173[12:22:18] <payonel> @FLORANA it is a
like an upgrade function call, it is a function call that ALSO gets
a new call stack
L174[12:22:41] <FLORANA>
so...
<FLORANA>
so...L175[12:22:54] <payonel> @FLORANA like,
you know how main() is the first frame in a call stack (c-style
stuff)
L176[12:23:15] <FLORANA>
yah
<FLORANA>
yahL177[12:23:29] <payonel> and if you call
foo(), now you have 2 frames in your call stack: main ->
foo
L178[12:23:38] <payonel> until you return
back to main
L179[12:23:50] <FLORANA>
well accualy it runs the file then runs main() after loading all
the files
<FLORANA>
well accualy it runs the file then runs main() after loading all
the filesL180[12:24:13] <FLORANA>
sorry...
<FLORANA>
sorry...L181[12:24:19] <payonel> i'm not talking
about how a program loads
L182[12:24:24] <payonel> i'm talking about
call stacks
L183[12:24:33] <FLORANA> i
know but thats how c is
<FLORANA> i
know but thats how c isL184[12:24:39] <FLORANA>
enyway
<FLORANA>
enywayL185[12:24:43] <payonel> yes, i'm talking
about c
L186[12:25:43] <FLORANA> i
can kinda see how easy threading could be in assembly
<FLORANA> i
can kinda see how easy threading could be in assemblyL187[12:25:58] <payonel> anyways, to
create a coroutine, you supply a function pointer
L188[12:26:08] <payonel> and when you run
that coroutine, it invokes the function
L189[12:26:13] <AmandaC> payonel: once
I've got it going, it seems arrow keys and tab don't work across
the connection
L190[12:26:25] <payonel> if you were to
inspect the callstack, from within that invoked function, you would
see no calling method
L191[12:26:32] <payonel> the coroutine
begins a new callstack
L192[12:26:55] <FLORANA>
can the functions access global vars?
<FLORANA>
can the functions access global vars?L193[12:26:58] <payonel> AmandaC: that is
[mostly] correct, openos doesn't communicate tabs over io
L194[12:27:16] <payonel> @florana in lua,
coroutines are loaded in the current _ENV, so yes
L195[12:27:39] <payonel> @florana and
technically, it isn't because of coroutines, it is the function you
give it
L196[12:27:47] <payonel> the function is
loaded in its specified or current _ENV
L197[12:28:00] <payonel> so
"global" is relative to how you loaded/created the
function
L198[12:28:08] <payonel> AmandaC: but
arrow keys should work
L199[12:28:17] <FLORANA>
ok, makes sence
<FLORANA>
ok, makes senceL200[12:28:17] <payonel> unless you are
trying to do custom key_down behavior
L201[12:28:22] <FLORANA>
*that makes sence
<FLORANA>
*that makes senceL202[12:28:52] <payonel> @florana so now
that you have a new call stack, and you've called 5 or 6 functions
higher in a call stack, if you call coroutine.yield() -- the ENTIRE
callstack is "paused"
L203[12:28:58] <AmandaC> payonel: at least
the history function doesn't work
L204[12:29:00] <payonel> suspened*
L205[12:29:03] <payonel> suspended*
L206[12:29:15] <payonel> AmandaC: um...oh,
i haven't pushed a fix for that
L207[12:29:16] <payonel> :)
L208[12:29:23] <payonel> AmandaC: cutting
edge dev build :)
L209[12:29:31] <payonel> well, minus a
couple of days
L210[12:29:43] <FLORANA> so
yield() will pause but will how will it continue?
<FLORANA> so
yield() will pause but will how will it continue?L211[12:30:09] <payonel> @FLORANA so think
back to where you created your coroutine, in the outside world of
the coroutine
L212[12:30:36] <payonel> from there, you
created it, and to start the coroutine you called:
coroutine.resume(co)
L213[12:31:15] <payonel> that resume call
is a BLOCKING call until you call coroutine.yield() from inside the
coroutine (or until the coroutine throws an exception, or until the
last stack frame is popped [i.e. return])
L214[12:31:32] <payonel> but if you
yield() from a coroutine, the `co` object is only suspended, not
dead
L215[12:31:54] <payonel> from inside the
pocket dimension of the coroutine, the yield() call is
BLOCKING
L216[12:32:01] <FLORANA>
got it
<FLORANA>
got itL217[12:32:21] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/309529094452936705/520301434504478740/47465552_723468408009365_2943519144407990272_o.png?width=986&height=677
L218[12:33:10] <FLORANA>
korean dominos...
<FLORANA>
korean dominos...L219[12:33:23] <payonel> @FLORANA so the
pocket dimension is frozen (suspended) until the outside dimension
resumes it again
L220[12:33:26] <payonel> i have a
mtg
L221[12:33:49] <Inari> She looks kinda
weird though
L222[12:33:54] <Inari> Like her torso
looks too deep
L223[12:37:33] <AmandaC> payonel: poke me
once it's gone through CI?
L224[12:38:19] <AmandaC> ( Assuming it's
an OpenOS change )
L225[12:40:22] <payonel> AmandaC: for the
gpu+screen issue with psh? i'm actually going to fix it on
psh
L226[12:40:38] <payonel> AmandaC: i'm
going to make psh fully implemented on the official 1.7.3
version
L227[12:40:40] <AmandaC> payonel: for the
up/down
L228[12:40:50] <AmandaC> ( history )
L229[12:40:50] <payonel> yeah, that also
is a psh bug
L230[12:40:54] <AmandaC> ah, okay
L231[12:41:05] <payonel> but even other
issues i have found, that ARE kernel bugs
L232[12:41:15] <payonel> i'm
"patching" things from psh
L233[12:41:26] <payonel> and, when i push
openos fixes, psh will detect that and not patch
L234[12:41:46] <payonel> anyways, you
shouldn't have to update openos
L235[12:49:17] <Kleadron> i
installed Ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop yesterday
<Kleadron> i
installed Ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop yesterdayL236[12:49:32] <payonel> @Kleadron i run
the same on my laptop
L237[12:49:33] <Kleadron>
its pretty cool and it is probably the most refined distro i have
used
<Kleadron>
its pretty cool and it is probably the most refined distro i have
usedL238[12:49:45] <FLORANA>
ubuntu is alright
<FLORANA>
ubuntu is alrightL239[12:50:03] <Kleadron>
However im not going to go around and praise linux like its my cat
and tell people to install it every second of their life
<Kleadron>
However im not going to go around and praise linux like its my cat
and tell people to install it every second of their lifeL240[12:50:05] <payonel> well, it's my
only linux option from work
L241[12:50:09] <payonel> i do very much
like it though
L242[12:50:21] <FLORANA>
what ubuntu?
<FLORANA>
what ubuntu?L243[12:50:24] <payonel> yes
L244[12:50:37] <FLORANA>
you do know that just debian right?
<FLORANA>
you do know that just debian right?L245[12:51:03] <payonel> me? i dont
understand the question
L246[12:51:03] <FLORANA>
well mostly debian with extra software for ubuntu
<FLORANA>
well mostly debian with extra software for ubuntuL247[12:51:23] <FLORANA>
distros works in branches
<FLORANA>
distros works in branchesL248[12:51:31] <Kleadron>
punctuation is important
<Kleadron>
punctuation is importantL249[12:51:53] <payonel> are you asking me
if i know that ubuntu is a derivation of debian and uses its
package management system?
L250[12:52:47] <FLORANA>
from base -> debian -> multiple OS'(like ubuntu) ->
L/Kubuntu, ZorinOS and such
<FLORANA>
from base -> debian -> multiple OS'(like ubuntu) ->
L/Kubuntu, ZorinOS and suchL251[12:53:13] <payonel> what the
relevance of the question? why were you verifying i know
that?
L252[12:53:14] <Kleadron>
someone should make an ancestory tree
<Kleadron>
someone should make an ancestory treeL253[12:53:46] <dequbed> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
L254[12:53:47] <FLORANA>
your only allowed to use ubuntu thats pretty stupid
<FLORANA>
your only allowed to use ubuntu thats pretty stupidL255[12:54:03] <payonel> haha, oh
that
L256[12:54:11] <payonel> no, it's not like
that
L257[12:54:21] <FLORANA> ok
cuz there are loads of distros that are based on debian that
supports all the programs ubuntu does
<FLORANA> ok
cuz there are loads of distros that are based on debian that
supports all the programs ubuntu doesL258[12:54:36] <payonel> it has very
little to do with that
L259[12:54:57] <FLORANA>
@Kleadron there is one
<FLORANA>
@Kleadron there is oneL260[12:55:04] <payonel> there is a
developer tools department that builds and maintains the
installations and software packages we use
L261[12:55:15] <payonel> they provide a
custom installation for mac, windows, and ubuntu
L262[12:55:18] <Kleadron>
@FLORANA lmao really
<Kleadron>
@FLORANA lmao reallyL263[12:55:40] <payonel> so, if i want to
have security clearance and access to the private network and
tools, i have to be using a machine with one of those OS images
they prepare
L264[12:55:59] <dequbed> @Kleadron: See
the link I posted.
L265[12:56:29] <FLORANA> i
just don't know where it is XD
<FLORANA> i
just don't know where it is XDL266[12:57:22] <FLORANA>
here we are: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg/170px-Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg.png
<FLORANA>
here we are: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg/170px-Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg.pngL267[12:57:43] <Kleadron>
that is a lot of distros
<Kleadron>
that is a lot of distrosL268[12:57:51] <FLORANA>
yep
<FLORANA>
yepL269[12:58:12] <FLORANA>
debian is one of the biggest
<FLORANA>
debian is one of the biggestL270[12:58:27] <FLORANA>
reason why it's at the top
<FLORANA>
reason why it's at the topL271[13:00:08] <FLORANA>
for me i like arch when i'm not using a debian based system
<FLORANA>
for me i like arch when i'm not using a debian based systemL272[13:00:35] <Inari> Edge becomes
chromium-based. Interesting.
L273[13:00:49] <FLORANA>
what?
<FLORANA>
what?L274[13:01:29] <FLORANA>
why
<FLORANA>
whyL275[13:02:05] <Inari> 1. We will move to
a Chromium-compatible web platform for Microsoft Edge on the
desktop. Our intent is to align the Microsoft Edge web platform
simultaneously (a) with web standards and (b) with other
Chromium-based browsers. This will deliver improved compatibility
for everyone and create a simpler test-matrix for web
developers.
L276[13:02:16] <Kleadron>
Inari: they arent going to call it edge from an article i
read
<Kleadron>
Inari: they arent going to call it edge from an article i
readL277[13:02:52] <Inari> Dunno, the phrasing
in this seems to not indicate any new name
L278[13:03:41] <FLORANA> i
understand chromium is open sourced... but still
<FLORANA> i
understand chromium is open sourced... but stillL279[13:03:55] <payonel> HEY! there i
am!
L280[13:03:56] <FLORANA>
that sounds wrong
<FLORANA>
that sounds wrongL281[13:04:06] <payonel> I (sort of...) am
on the distro list
L282[13:04:14] <Inari> Wrong how?
L283[13:04:21] <payonel> i worked on a
distro years ago, just 2 of us devs
L284[13:04:47] <payonel> well, there were
4, but the other 2 were temps
L285[13:05:08] <FLORANA>
edge is almost as just as bad as IE
<FLORANA>
edge is almost as just as bad as IEL286[13:05:21] <FLORANA>
and trying to make it better with chrome?
<FLORANA>
and trying to make it better with chrome?L287[13:05:27] <FLORANA>
and trying to make it better with chrome/ium? [Edited]
<FLORANA>
and trying to make it better with chrome/ium? [Edited]L288[13:05:50] <FLORANA> i
don't see it working/mixing well
<FLORANA> i
don't see it working/mixing wellL289[13:06:01] <Inari> I mean, sounds like
they'll base it on webkit or something
L290[13:06:11] <Inari> Thus it should be
at a minimum as good as webkit
L291[13:07:57] <Forecaster>
they could still do a terrible job implementing it :P
<Forecaster>
they could still do a terrible job implementing it :PL292[13:08:06] <Inari> xD
L293[13:08:12] *
Inari feeds AmandaC some warm sake
L294[13:15:39] <FLORANA>
btw payonel what distro did you make?
<FLORANA>
btw payonel what distro did you make?L295[13:31:09] <payonel> @FLORANA i wrote
a bunch of tools for it, it was a long time ago (16 years
ago)
L296[13:31:17] <payonel> the beginning of
my c++ days
L297[13:31:30] <payonel> but i wouldn't
say i made it
L298[13:31:47] <payonel> but i was there,
i was part of it
L299[13:32:20] <payonel> there was the
ceo, he did the hard stuff, and me, the junior dev, doing the fun
stuff :)
L300[13:34:16] <payonel> @FLORANA anyways,
because the team was so small, my real name is actually quite
google-able given the distro name
L301[13:34:23] <payonel> so, i can't
L302[13:38:32] <Michiyo> anyone used
Rocket UniVerse?
L303[13:39:01] <Michiyo> I've got a 1.1 GB
file that comes from a UniVerse database... but I have no idea how
to use it.
L304[13:39:29] <Michiyo> it doesn't seem
to be a backup, it doesn't seem to be a raw DB file.. opening it in
a hexeditor it looks like console output from the AIX server it
runs on...
L305[13:39:31] <Michiyo> I'm confused
:D
L306[13:40:00] <CompanionCube> maybe it's
a logfile?
L307[13:40:26] <Michiyo> Customer data is
in here, but just... presented oddly
L308[13:41:15] <CompanionCube> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_U2 this
is...interesting
L309[13:44:47] *
AmandaC stops rampaging in the road, cuddles up against
Inari
L310[13:47:48] <Michiyo> CompanionCube,
it's painful is what it is :P
L311[13:48:06] <CompanionCube> what's your
ultimate goal here?
L312[13:49:00] <Michiyo> We're trying to
get data out of it, into anything sane... we convert agency data
from various vendor formats into ours
L313[13:49:10] <Michiyo> and this is the
first one of these we've had so new process and all.
L314[13:50:02] <CompanionCube> apparently
they have standard connectors available
L315[13:50:03] <Michiyo> Some SQL standard
would be great cause our generic conversion can use them
L316[13:50:39] <Michiyo> main issue right
now is, I have no idea how to get this chunk of data *into*
UniVerse, lmao
L317[13:50:51] <CompanionCube> (such as
ODBC somewhere)
L318[14:03:16] <AmandaC> payonel: I've
long since forgotten where I got the helper function you use in the
rc.d for pshd (might have even been psh1.0), but it seems the
version in newer pshd doesn't work quite right with how I'm using
it in my lilac-server: https://nc.ddna.co/s/gJbLaYF6KZSNK5w
L319[14:09:46] <payonel> AmandaC: can i
see the lilac server code?
L320[14:12:27] <AmandaC> payonel: https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/oc-fileserver/blob/master/lilac/server/etc/rc.d/lilac-server.lua
is the rc.d -- which I just updated to throw in a
`io.write("\n")` before the two returns, and https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/oc-fileserver/blob/master/lilac/server/lib/daemon.lua#L87-125
is the daemon
L321[14:12:59] <AmandaC> Well, the `start`
function of the daemon anyway, it's a massive mess of code.
<.<;
L322[14:16:14] <AmandaC> and thinking
back, I may have swiped that util function from psh1.0 after all,
since psh was really the only example I could find of daemon-type
servers
L323[14:16:35] <payonel> yeah it's
definitely like my rc pshd service
L324[14:16:40] <AmandaC> ( And I wasn't
familiar enough with openos yet to blaze my own trail )
L325[14:16:41] <payonel> i recognize all
the code
L326[14:16:48] <payonel> pshd 2.0 made
some minor tweaks
L327[14:17:00] <AmandaC> yeah, like making
the colours use the tty code, I saw.
L328[14:17:05] <AmandaC> WHich is why I
stole 2.0! :P
L329[14:17:41] <payonel> ah :)
L330[14:17:49] <AmandaC> ( I'm comfortable
enough now to try and re-do it another way if you're uncomfortable
with my theft. :P <3 )
L331[14:18:00] <payonel> wah!? haha
no
L332[14:18:46] <payonel> but i'm not
seeing any issue with how youre using it
L333[14:19:33] <payonel> it is odd that it
was working before, but not now
L334[14:19:37] <AmandaC> It's likely
because you assumed(/specified) that the messages being printed
would have a trailing `\n`
L335[14:19:40] <payonel> you know what
tho
L336[14:19:49] <AmandaC> ( I may have made
that same modification to the 1.0 version I swiped )
L337[14:20:00] <payonel> ah true ^
L338[14:20:01] <payonel> but
L339[14:20:08] <payonel> i also have a bug
in pshd that you can't restart it
L340[14:20:12] <payonel> :)
L341[14:20:16] <payonel> i just remembered
that
L342[14:20:23] <payonel> haha
L343[14:20:30] <payonel> well, clearly i
made it broken somehow
L344[14:20:32] <AmandaC> Pushing a commit
with an attribution for the stolen code, at least. :P
L345[14:20:49] <payonel> ok so two things
to fix
L346[14:20:52] <payonel> or 3
L347[14:20:59] <payonel> AmandaC is very
good at finding all my bugs
L348[14:21:05] <AmandaC> haha. :D
L349[14:21:20] <payonel> 1. headless pshd,
2. input history, 3. rc restart
L350[14:21:27] <Celtic>
:o
<Celtic>
:oL351[14:21:32] <Celtic>
Heyo. o/
<Celtic>
Heyo. o/L352[14:21:36] <payonel> also, maybe i'll
make the rc service api something separate
L353[14:21:39] <payonel> @Celtic o/
L354[14:22:05] <Celtic>
Doin' some work on pshd, eh? :D
<Celtic>
Doin' some work on pshd, eh? :DL355[14:22:16] <Celtic> Or
well, psh, rather.
<Celtic> Or
well, psh, rather.L356[14:22:29] <payonel> both,
technically
L357[14:22:39] <payonel> i bundle the two
together in "psh"
L358[14:22:47] <Celtic>
Yeah, that was kind of what I was going for. ;P
<Celtic>
Yeah, that was kind of what I was going for. ;PL359[14:23:00] <Celtic>
That's the general layout of SSH type services anyway, I
believe.
<Celtic>
That's the general layout of SSH type services anyway, I
believe.L360[14:23:11] <AmandaC> @20kdc If you're
around, mind refreshing my memory for the config setting to
add/change to make KOS just log in automatically?
L362[14:36:16] <20kdc> that
should do it
<20kdc> that
should do itL363[14:39:41] <AmandaC> yeah, I
remembered that kos has docs after I asked, and went and looked.
:P
L364[14:42:47] <Celtic>
rtfm? ;P
<Celtic>
rtfm? ;PL365[14:47:02] <AmandaC> That only works
when tfm is actually useful, which more often than not isn't the
case. :P
L366[14:47:18] <AmandaC> So I've defaulted
to asking first for years now
L367[14:48:06] <AmandaC> payonel: is there
any chance of tab-complete being fixed? I think that bothers me
more than the lack of history working. :P
L368[14:48:54] <AmandaC> or would it
require changes in OpenOS?
L369[14:49:49] <payonel> AmandaC: i'll
consider it, for sure (for you ?)
L370[14:49:54] <AmandaC> hehe. :3
L371[14:50:48] <AmandaC> payonel: isn't
tab completion handled by the tty/io code anyway? ISTR that's what
I monkey patched for my little hack for a prettier tab complete,
anyway.
L372[14:51:03] <payonel> i have a feeling
that the real fix would require an openos change, but i prefer to
not depend on openos fixes at this stage (like i mentioned)
L373[14:51:14] <AmandaC> yeah, I
understand
L374[14:52:01] <payonel> it is technically
handled by the cursor, which live between the shell/process(called
the host irl) and io
L375[14:52:05] <payonel> and tty*
L376[14:52:58] <payonel> irl the cursor
communicates tab key hits to the host
L377[14:53:26] <payonel> the issue is
that...again irl.... the io layer (tty) sends tab to cursor, which
sends it to the host
L378[14:53:36] <payonel> which is how tab
complete in shell works
L379[14:53:47] <AmandaC> yeah, good ol'
^I
L380[14:54:29] <payonel> but in openos,
the tab detection is in the cursor layer
L381[14:54:34] <payonel> so it comes from
cursor to host
L382[14:54:37] <payonel> but not from io
to cursor to host
L383[14:55:04] <payonel> thus, for a io
layer tool such as psh, it doesn't have one of the connections in
this workflow
L384[14:55:23] <payonel> [psh:io]
[cursor]--tabs-->[host]
L385[14:55:28] <payonel> instead of
L386[14:55:38] <payonel>
[psh:io]--tabs-->[cursor]--tabs-->[host]
L387[14:55:56] <payonel> anyways, i can
fake it, because psh can create and control its own cursor
L388[14:56:13] <payonel> but it's going to
be slightly hacky, and one more step further from real world
L389[14:56:31] <payonel> but to fix it
right would be a much bigger change
L390[14:56:37] <payonel> anyways, yeah,
i'll do that
L391[15:05:07] <payonel> AmandaC: would
you like that rc launcher in its own oppm?
L392[15:05:13] <payonel> i think i'd like
to do that
L393[15:05:24] <payonel> pretty
lightweight
L394[15:05:29] <payonel> anyways, i'll be
afk for a whiles
L395[15:05:30] <AmandaC> payonel: the rc.d
boilerplate I "borrowed"?
L396[15:05:30] <payonel> o/
L397[15:05:43] *
payonel calls out "yep, that one" as he walks away from
the keyboard
L398[15:05:56] <AmandaC> might not be a
bad idea, it's pretty useful, and easy to use
L399[15:07:33] <Inari> New wallpaper
business idea: Take all the calculation some 3d game makes to get
from one frame to the next. Assemble them in one giant function,
print that out on wallpaper
L400[15:07:44] <Inari> (mathematical
function that is, not code)
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L578[16:26:15] <Compu>
omai
<Compu>
omaiL579[16:26:17] <Compu> a
netsplit
<Compu> a
netsplitL580[16:32:02] <AmandaC> %roll 1d3
L581[16:32:02] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
[1]
L582[16:43:41] <AmandaC> %choose new or
old
L583[16:43:41] <MichiBot> AmandaC: The
proof is in the pudding. Definitely old.
L584[16:43:47] <AmandaC> %roll 1d2
L585[16:43:48] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
[2]
L586[16:43:51] <AmandaC> right
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L588[16:46:34] <ety> o/
L589[16:46:38] <MGR>
Hello!
<MGR>
Hello!L590[16:48:02] ⇦
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L592[16:49:31] <PrismaticYT> How do I set
the max memory to 128MB?
L593[16:49:52] <PrismaticYT> Currently the
maximum memory is 65536KB which I assume is ~64MB?
L594[16:50:15] <MGR>
Yes
<MGR>
YesL595[16:50:22] <PrismaticYT> Okay.
L596[16:50:23] <MGR> You'd
increase that number to 128000
<MGR> You'd
increase that number to 128000L597[16:50:36] <PrismaticYT> Hang on
L598[16:50:40] <PrismaticYT> Let me pull
up the config
L599[16:51:20] <PrismaticYT> The default
value is 67108864 (or 64*1024*1024)
L600[16:51:35] <PrismaticYT> Wouldn't
changed that to 128000 decrease it?
L601[16:51:52] <PrismaticYT> 128000 is 6
characters, 67108864 is 8.
L602[16:51:58] <ety> :|
L603[16:52:22] <MGR> Oh, it
must be in terms of bytes
<MGR> Oh, it
must be in terms of bytesL604[16:52:27] <MGR> Not in
terms of kilobytes
<MGR> Not in
terms of kilobytesL605[16:52:34] <MGR>
128,000,000 instead
<MGR>
128,000,000 insteadL606[16:52:38] <MGR>
That'll be 128 MB
<MGR>
That'll be 128 MBL607[16:52:42] <PrismaticYT> Okay I'll try
that thanks
L608[16:52:52] <payonel> no that would be
128 Mb
L609[16:53:25] <MGR> RAM is
measured in bits in the config?
<MGR> RAM is
measured in bits in the config?L610[16:53:45] <PrismaticYT> No, I think
it's measured in KB?
L611[16:53:54] <MGR> Or are
you trying to convey the Megabytes Mebibytes difference?
<MGR> Or are
you trying to convey the Megabytes Mebibytes difference?L612[16:53:58] <PrismaticYT> yeah
L613[16:53:58] <PrismaticYT> "The
sizes of the six levels of RAM, in kilobytes"
L614[16:54:14] <payonel> you'd want
67108864+67108864 which is 134217728
L615[16:54:20] <PrismaticYT> oh okay
L616[16:54:37] <PrismaticYT> what's the
difference between megabytes and mebibytes?
L617[16:54:40] <payonel>
128000000/1024/1024 is 122 MB
L618[16:54:45] <ety> 1000 vs 1024
L619[16:54:51] <PrismaticYT> yeah
L620[16:54:58] <MGR> If
it's measured in KB then 67108864 would be 67 GB of RAM
<MGR> If
it's measured in KB then 67108864 would be 67 GB of RAML621[16:55:02] <MGR> That
can't make any sense
<MGR> That
can't make any senseL622[16:55:03] <PrismaticYT> If I recall
linux uses mebibytes (might be wrong)
L623[16:55:14] <PrismaticYT> The max size
is in bytes I think
L624[16:55:19] <ety> everyone but hard
drive manufacturers ;P
L625[16:55:20] <MGR>
payonel, you're confusing Megabytes with Mebibytes
<MGR>
payonel, you're confusing Megabytes with MebibytesL626[16:55:22] <payonel> yeah, i didn't
mean megabits
L627[16:55:26] <PrismaticYT> but the size
of the RAM sticks themselves is in KB
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L629[16:55:35] <MGR> A
Megabyte is 128,000,000, and a Mebibyte is what you said
<MGR> A
Megabyte is 128,000,000, and a Mebibyte is what you saidL630[16:55:48] <MGR>
Mebibyte is MiB last I recall
<MGR>
Mebibyte is MiB last I recallL631[16:55:53] <ety> ^
L632[16:55:59] <freacknate> hello :)
L633[16:56:05] <PrismaticYT> Does Linux
use MiB or MB? I think it uses MiB.
L634[16:56:10] <PrismaticYT> Might be
wrong tho
L635[16:56:11] <ety> some people aren't
very good at making the distinction when it's written though,
tbf.
L636[16:56:34] <ety> o/ freacknate
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L639[16:56:55] <freacknate> o/ ety
L640[16:57:06] <PrismaticYT> Also I found
a bug yesterday (well actually I discovered it age ago)
L641[16:57:17] <PrismaticYT> Rightclicking
with the remote terminal can cause a crash
L642[16:57:32] <payonel> yeah, i've heard
about this crash
L643[16:57:32] <ety> I just experienced
that about ~5 minutes ago.
L644[16:57:38] <PrismaticYT> It's
annoying.
L645[16:57:42] <ety> It wasns't until I
broke the terminal server host though
L646[16:57:43] <payonel> which really
sucks, becaues the remote terminal code is something i spent a lot
of time hardening
L647[16:57:49] <ety> Worked fine before
that. Broke after that.
L648[16:57:50] <payonel> but it doesn't
crash in all scenarios
L649[16:57:58] <PrismaticYT> once it
starts for me it never stops
L650[16:57:59] <payonel> yeah
L651[16:58:05] <payonel> i'm very
sorry
L652[16:58:08] <payonel> i'll fix it ...
soon
L653[16:58:10] <payonel> before xmas
L654[16:58:11] <PrismaticYT> Is it
fixable?
L655[16:58:14] <payonel> of course
L656[16:58:17] <payonel> oh, for
you?
L657[16:58:22] <PrismaticYT> no
L658[16:58:24] <PrismaticYT> in the
code
L659[16:58:29] <payonel> yes of course
:|
L660[16:58:33] <PrismaticYT> good
L661[16:58:34] <payonel> everything is
fixable in the code :)
L662[16:58:42] <PrismaticYT> was gonna
say
L663[16:58:59] <payonel> yeah, i missed a
workflow
L664[16:59:02] <payonel> i dont have a qa
team :)
L665[16:59:05] <PrismaticYT> you missed a
what\
L666[16:59:10] <payonel> workflow
L667[16:59:12] <payonel> like, a use
case
L668[16:59:24] <payonel> test case
L669[16:59:31] <PrismaticYT> ohh ok
L670[16:59:39] <payonel> i do a lot of
testing, but obviously....i test it how i code it
L671[16:59:41] <payonel> :)
L672[16:59:48] <PrismaticYT> and that is
how exactly
L673[16:59:50] <ety> payonel j/c are you
doing automated build testing?
L674[17:00:18] <payonel> are you asking if
i wrote tests for the terminal server user right click and gui
open? ah...NO
L675[17:00:27] <payonel> you are welcome
to submit a PR for just an integration test
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L677[17:00:50] <Inari> %pet payonel
L678[17:00:51] *
MichiBot pets payonel with Inari. 9 health gained!
L679[17:00:55] <Inari> o.o
L680[17:00:59] *
payonel blushes
L681[17:01:07] <payonel> haha
L682[17:01:36] <ety> Oh no I meant in
general; was more just curious if oc had automated testing on
commits
L683[17:02:08] <payonel> yes, but there
aren't a lot of tests there
L684[17:02:09] <payonel> some
L685[17:02:17] <payonel> mostly around how
our component node network attaches
L686[17:02:26] <payonel> and i have my own
repo for testing openos
L687[17:02:40] <payonel> with a little
over a thousand tests that run
L688[17:05:21] <AmandaC> %choose
halucinate or irradiate or play
L689[17:05:21] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
irradiate is for cool kids!
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L692[17:13:08] <PrismaticYT> what happened
while I was gone
L693[17:14:38] <AmandaC> We solved world
cancer and killed hunger
L694[17:15:04] <Inari> (in the process, we
found out htat cancer cells are tasty when cooked)
L695[17:20:24] <Kleadron>
what
<Kleadron>
whatL696[17:32:42] <PrismaticYT> gtg
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L698[17:44:33] <FLORANA>
hey is there s TIC channel or do we talk about it here?
<FLORANA>
hey is there s TIC channel or do we talk about it here?L699[17:44:45] <FLORANA>
cuz idk what i did and it crashed the cat
<FLORANA>
cuz idk what i did and it crashed the catL700[17:44:53] <FLORANA>
*game
<FLORANA>
*gameL701[17:44:57] <FLORANA>
why did i type cat?
<FLORANA>
why did i type cat?L702[17:45:36] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/w6qojMT
L703[17:46:28] <FLORANA>
...
<FLORANA>
...L704[17:48:45] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/bzOcPnF so good
L705[17:49:59] <FLORANA> so
it tryed to index string by-1
<FLORANA> so
it tryed to index string by-1L706[17:50:09] <FLORANA> so
it tryed to index string by -1 [Edited]
<FLORANA> so
it tryed to index string by -1 [Edited]L707[17:55:05] <payonel> @florana why
would we know about TIC bugs here?
L708[17:55:22] <payonel> besides just
general chance someone is a user
L709[18:00:09] <FLORANA>
cuz the discord side litteraly says `OpenComputers/TIS-3D`
<FLORANA>
cuz the discord side litteraly says `OpenComputers/TIS-3D`L710[18:01:34] ⇦
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L711[18:01:42] <FLORANA>
thats why i asked
<FLORANA>
thats why i askedL712[18:04:16] <Michiyo> TIC... or TIS..?
cause there is a letter difference there :P
L713[18:04:35] <Michiyo> TIS-3D is another
mod by Sangar, I'm not even sure what TIC is :p
L714[18:15:39] <AmandaC> %choose puddle or
rain
L715[18:15:40] <MichiBot> AmandaC: My
grandfather always told me that puddle is the way to go!
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L718[18:23:05] <PrismaticYT> how do I
change max RAM to 128MB again?
L719[18:23:07] <PrismaticYT> I
forgot
L720[18:23:56] <PrismaticYT> also, can
anyone reccomend a good custom OS? (with GUI interface)
L721[18:25:12] <CompanionCube> GUI?
mineOS.
L722[18:26:24] <PrismaticYT> already using
that but for some reason it's slow (in the screenshot on the forum
post it's faster than what I've got despite having 64MB of RAM (4x
3.5 RAM, which is 32MB)
L723[18:36:14] <Z0idburg> I
like Inari's cat
<Z0idburg> I
like Inari's catL724[18:36:38] <Z0idburg>
gettin its teeth brushed
<Z0idburg>
gettin its teeth brushedL725[18:39:35] <PrismaticYT> how do I
change max RAM to 128MB? I forgot.
L726[18:43:10] <PrismaticYT> i'm guessing
it's 64*1024*1024*2?
L727[18:43:12] <PrismaticYT>
(134217728)
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L729[18:50:19] <PrismaticYT> Also, running
du -hs from the root directory causes a "too long without
yielding" error.
L730[18:51:19] <Z0idburg>
who wrote du..
<Z0idburg>
who wrote du..L731[18:51:47] <PrismaticYT> it's a
program included in openOS
L732[18:51:50] <Z0idburg>
Prismatic, why would you need 128MB? That's way too much
<Z0idburg>
Prismatic, why would you need 128MB? That's way too muchL733[18:51:56] <Z0idburg> I
know what du is
<Z0idburg> I
know what du isL734[18:52:01] <PrismaticYT> oh ok
L735[18:52:04] <Z0idburg>
I'm just mad at them
<Z0idburg>
I'm just mad at themL736[18:52:10] <PrismaticYT> Because why
not? I have stupidly high RAM sizes
L737[18:52:14] <PrismaticYT> Tier 3.5 is
32MB
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L739[18:52:27] <TheGamingAutomyst>
Hey
L740[18:52:36] <Z0idburg>
My computer at home IRL doesn't even have 1MB wtf
<Z0idburg>
My computer at home IRL doesn't even have 1MB wtfL741[18:52:50] <FLORANA>
lol
<FLORANA>
lolL742[18:53:33] <Z0idburg>
people these days and their blasted excessive memory
requirements..
<Z0idburg>
people these days and their blasted excessive memory
requirements..L743[18:53:35] <PrismaticYT> The default
max RAM is ~64MB but by default you can only use 4MB (4x T3.5
RAM)
L744[18:53:51] <Z0idburg>
4MB is a shitton
<Z0idburg>
4MB is a shittonL745[18:54:16] <FLORANA>
i've already filled ~4TB
<FLORANA>
i've already filled ~4TBL746[18:54:20] <PrismaticYT> Also I wanna
see how MineOS runs with 128MB of RAM
L747[18:54:25] <FLORANA>
and thats just gerneral use
<FLORANA>
and thats just gerneral useL748[18:54:40] <Z0idburg>
My solution for high memory applications in Open Computers doesn't
involve increasing the size of memory at all
<Z0idburg>
My solution for high memory applications in Open Computers doesn't
involve increasing the size of memory at allL749[18:54:51] <Z0idburg>
it instead involves clustering multiple computers together
<Z0idburg>
it instead involves clustering multiple computers togetherL750[18:54:57] <PrismaticYT> Waait
what
L751[18:55:00] <PrismaticYT> You can do
that?
L752[18:55:16] <Z0idburg>
Why not?
<Z0idburg>
Why not?L753[18:55:21] <Z0idburg>
You have networking
<Z0idburg>
You have networkingL754[18:55:33] <Z0idburg>
Once you have networking you can do IPC
<Z0idburg>
Once you have networking you can do IPCL755[18:55:34] <PrismaticYT> How does that
even work?
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L757[18:55:41] <PrismaticYT>
IPwhatnow
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L759[18:56:51] <Z0idburg>
My solution wouldn't necessarily be your solution, but I resolve
this by designing my system to be a tree of processes that
distribute across multiple computers and perform IPC over network
connections using network cards or linked cards, etc
<Z0idburg>
My solution wouldn't necessarily be your solution, but I resolve
this by designing my system to be a tree of processes that
distribute across multiple computers and perform IPC over network
connections using network cards or linked cards, etcL760[18:57:03] <Z0idburg>
the benefit isn't performance, it's scalability
<Z0idburg>
the benefit isn't performance, it's scalabilityL761[18:57:17] <PrismaticYT> What's an
IPC
L762[18:57:36] <Z0idburg> I
am currently working on a way to even allow computers in an
OpenComputers cluster fail and fix itself
<Z0idburg> I
am currently working on a way to even allow computers in an
OpenComputers cluster fail and fix itselfL763[18:57:47] <Z0idburg>
Inter Process Communication
<Z0idburg>
Inter Process CommunicationL764[18:58:01] <PrismaticYT> 131MB, close
enough.
L765[18:58:06] <Z0idburg>
It's nothing new, it's a very traditional concept
<Z0idburg>
It's nothing new, it's a very traditional conceptL766[18:58:17] <PrismaticYT> 134217728
isn't 128MB exactly but eh
L767[18:58:55] <TheGamingAutomyst> how do
you use navigation upgrade
L768[18:59:48] <Z0idburg>
for example, you may have process A wait for train xyz to pass by.
The moment it passes by it sends a message to process B on some
Computer somewhere. this then may send a message or two to process
C to update some sort of live database and fire off events wich may
send messages off to process B or even D
<Z0idburg>
for example, you may have process A wait for train xyz to pass by.
The moment it passes by it sends a message to process B on some
Computer somewhere. this then may send a message or two to process
C to update some sort of live database and fire off events wich may
send messages off to process B or even DL769[19:00:00] <PrismaticYT> 131MB makes
MineOS run fast
L770[19:00:06] <PrismaticYT> the minecode
IDE is now usable
L771[19:00:22] <PrismaticYT> I'm
confused
L772[19:00:28] <PrismaticYT> Explain it in
simple terms
L773[19:00:44] <FLORANA>
which mineOS, the accual PC OS or the OC OS?
<FLORANA>
which mineOS, the accual PC OS or the OC OS?L774[19:00:51] <PrismaticYT> OC OS
L775[19:00:58] <Z0idburg>
ok more RAM should never make something run faster
<Z0idburg>
ok more RAM should never make something run fasterL776[19:01:00] <PrismaticYT> There's a PC
OS?
L777[19:01:03] <Z0idburg>
less RAM could make it run slower.
<Z0idburg>
less RAM could make it run slower.L778[19:01:18] <PrismaticYT> More RAM =
More memory to store things = Faster
L779[19:01:28] <FLORANA>
MineOS: Minecraft hosting improved | a comprehensive guide to a
completely managed, self-contained minecraft server
<FLORANA>
MineOS: Minecraft hosting improved | a comprehensive guide to a
completely managed, self-contained minecraft serverL780[19:01:28] <TheGamingAutomyst> so it
sends data to a server and the server communicates with the
host
L781[19:01:48] <FLORANA>
basicly a linux server OS dedicated to minecraft
<FLORANA>
basicly a linux server OS dedicated to minecraftL782[19:01:54] <Z0idburg>
Prosmatic, Not necessarilyt. You should have enough memory to
perform your job.
<Z0idburg>
Prosmatic, Not necessarilyt. You should have enough memory to
perform your job.L783[19:01:59] <Z0idburg>
in the first place.
<Z0idburg>
in the first place.L784[19:02:07] <PrismaticYT> well 64MB
apparently wasn't enough
L785[19:02:11] <PrismaticYT> I have NO
IDEA why
L786[19:02:21] <Z0idburg>
because some people can't write software.
<Z0idburg>
because some people can't write software.L787[19:03:13] <Z0idburg>
Just to let you know
<Z0idburg>
Just to let you knowL788[19:03:31] <Z0idburg>
the whole more ram = faster idea is why we live in a world IRL with
really shitty inefficient computing
<Z0idburg>
the whole more ram = faster idea is why we live in a world IRL with
really shitty inefficient computingL789[19:03:46] <Z0idburg>
its the people who think that ways' fault
<Z0idburg>
its the people who think that ways' faultL790[19:04:12] <CompanionCube> it can make
things faster
L791[19:04:16] <CompanionCube> but it
doesn't in OC
L792[19:04:39] <PrismaticYT> Honestly I
just wanted to see big RAM numbers
L793[19:04:52] <PrismaticYT> This config
should probably never be run on a server.
L794[19:05:11] <PrismaticYT> (at least not
without a lot of RAM)
L795[19:05:39] <CompanionCube> servers
have a lot of ram though
L796[19:05:47] <CompanionCube> it's
required because java and minecraft
L797[19:05:53] <TheGamingAutomyst> how do
you use navigation upgrade
L798[19:06:03] <PrismaticYT> No
idea.
L799[19:06:22] <Z0idburg>
PrismaticYT, guess how much my computer upstairs has
<Z0idburg>
PrismaticYT, guess how much my computer upstairs hasL800[19:06:32] <PrismaticYT> No
idea.
L801[19:06:35] <PrismaticYT> 6GB?
L802[19:06:36] <CompanionCube>
16/32G?
L803[19:06:44] <PrismaticYT> 8GB??
L804[19:06:45] <Z0idburg>
No
<Z0idburg>
NoL805[19:06:52] <PrismaticYT> 1MB?
L806[19:07:08] <Z0idburg>
Less
<Z0idburg>
LessL807[19:07:13] <PrismaticYT> 512KB?
L808[19:07:16] <CompanionCube> 640K?
1K?
L809[19:07:39] <PrismaticYT> 64K?
L810[19:07:50] <TheGamingAutomyst> wll
anyone who does know
L811[19:07:54] <TheGamingAutomyst>
well*
L812[19:08:09] <Z0idburg>
Yes, 65K
<Z0idburg>
Yes, 65KL813[19:08:14] <Z0idburg>
64*
<Z0idburg>
64*L814[19:08:27] <PrismaticYT> Are you using
a Commodore 64 by any chance?
L815[19:08:39] <FLORANA>
XD
<FLORANA>
XDL816[19:08:41] <Z0idburg>
No
<Z0idburg>
NoL817[19:09:13] <FLORANA>
can you even run lua on a C64?
<FLORANA>
can you even run lua on a C64?L818[19:09:17] <TheGamingAutomyst> im
using windows 10 on a gaming pc playing minecraft and using tablets
so no om not using C64
L819[19:09:19] <Z0idburg>
Yes
<Z0idburg>
YesL820[19:09:28] <Z0idburg>
but it's complicated
<Z0idburg>
but it's complicatedL821[19:09:30] <TheGamingAutomyst>
im*
L822[19:09:41] <FLORANA>
where da diskette?
<FLORANA>
where da diskette?L823[19:09:43] <Z0idburg> I
run Forth on it instead
<Z0idburg> I
run Forth on it insteadL824[19:09:50] ⇦
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L825[19:10:18] <Z0idburg>
PrismaticYT: I store all of my files on audio casette tape
<Z0idburg>
PrismaticYT: I store all of my files on audio casette tapeL826[19:10:31] <FLORANA>
sounds good
<FLORANA>
sounds goodL827[19:10:38] <TheGamingAutomyst> i love
lsiening to raw binary data sounds great
L828[19:10:42] <FLORANA>
lol
<FLORANA>
lolL829[19:10:45] <TheGamingAutomyst>
listening*
L830[19:11:56] <Z0idburg>
lol
<Z0idburg>
lolL831[19:12:11] <Z0idburg> I
was talking with a fellow the other day
<Z0idburg> I
was talking with a fellow the other dayL832[19:12:38] <Z0idburg>
and something I thought of is time dependant modulation
<Z0idburg>
and something I thought of is time dependant modulationL833[19:12:39] <TheGamingAutomyst> uh
...ok
L834[19:14:38] <Z0idburg>
the idea is to make use of carrier wave modulation that is
dependant on some sort of hashing
<Z0idburg>
the idea is to make use of carrier wave modulation that is
dependant on some sort of hashingL835[19:15:14] <Z0idburg>
if two machines start communicating at the same time, or if someone
one were to predict the other, then they could cummunicate
<Z0idburg>
if two machines start communicating at the same time, or if someone
one were to predict the other, then they could cummunicateL836[19:15:19] <Z0idburg>
otherwise it would just appear scrambled
<Z0idburg>
otherwise it would just appear scrambledL837[19:16:59] <TheGamingAutomyst>
yeah
L838[19:18:26] <Izaya> ayy forth
L839[19:20:05] <Z0idburg>
the problem I need to resolve is the whole deal where if another
machine has the same starting seed and records the conversation it
can see the entire message line
<Z0idburg>
the problem I need to resolve is the whole deal where if another
machine has the same starting seed and records the conversation it
can see the entire message lineL840[19:20:59] <FLORANA>
hey is it posible to get the Modem address via software?
<FLORANA>
hey is it posible to get the Modem address via software?L841[19:21:57] <MGR> In
OC?
<MGR> In
OC?L842[19:22:01] <MGR>
Component.modem.address
<MGR>
Component.modem.addressL843[19:22:02] <FLORANA>
yes
<FLORANA>
yesL844[19:22:20] <FLORANA> k
cuz i was looking at the wiki and got nothing about that
<FLORANA> k
cuz i was looking at the wiki and got nothing about thatL845[19:31:02]
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L846[19:31:04] <PrismaticYT> back
again
L847[19:31:18] <PrismaticYT> can anyone
recommend a GUI 3d print file editor?
L848[19:31:43] <PrismaticYT> I've tried
the 3D Print app in MineOS but that doesn't work - there's no
option to change which side you're editing
L849[19:33:30] <FLORANA>
there is print3D though oppm
<FLORANA>
there is print3D though oppmL850[19:33:42] <PrismaticYT> can that edit
.3dm files?
L851[19:33:59] <FLORANA> no
you just edit it with a text editor
<FLORANA> no
you just edit it with a text editorL852[19:34:10] <Izaya> I believe KOS NEO
has 3D printer software
L853[19:34:23] <FLORANA>
altho there is a online 3D model maker
<FLORANA>
altho there is a online 3D model makerL854[19:34:33] <PrismaticYT> Isn't that
just text though?
L855[19:34:41] <FLORANA>
yes
<FLORANA>
yesL856[19:34:46] <PrismaticYT> That's the
problem
L857[19:34:54] <PrismaticYT> I tried
making 3dm files via text in the past...
L858[19:35:06] <PrismaticYT> "no
block" error or something like that.
L859[19:35:12] <FLORANA>
just gotta learn the sence of cordnets
<FLORANA>
just gotta learn the sence of cordnetsL860[19:35:59] <PrismaticYT> I wish
MineOS' 3D Print application had support for changing the side
you're editing
L861[19:37:01] <Z0idburg>
fix it
<Z0idburg>
fix itL862[19:37:21] <PrismaticYT> how
L863[19:37:39] <PrismaticYT> also - Izaya
where is that?
L864[19:37:53] <PrismaticYT> I tried
KittenOS NEO v6 and I never saw 3d printer software
L865[19:38:26] <Izaya> iunno
L866[19:38:31] <Izaya> Try the package
manager?
L867[19:38:46] <PrismaticYT> The
whatnow?
L868[19:38:56] <PrismaticYT> KittenOS NEO
has a package manager..?
L869[19:40:05] <PrismaticYT> also for some
reason in the basic terminal (exiting MineOS w/ Ctrl-Alt-C-R)
backspace acts like Ctrl-Backpace..
L870[19:41:45] <PrismaticYT> it acts like
ctrl is always pressed
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L872[19:55:36] <ety> o/
L873[19:56:02] <ety> So wocchat on oc
defaults to this channel, which makes me wonder how many people
here are using wocchat/etc from MC IG?
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L875[20:03:19] <MGR> Not a
whole lot
<MGR> Not a
whole lotL876[20:03:33] <MGR> Most
are using either a real IRC client or Discord
<MGR> Most
are using either a real IRC client or DiscordL877[20:03:44] <MGR>
Probably a few use wocchat though
<MGR>
Probably a few use wocchat thoughL878[20:07:32]
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L879[20:07:34] <PrismaticYT> How does
MineOS' internet boot work?
L880[20:09:44] <MGR> You'd
probably want to ask the MineOS devs
<MGR> You'd
probably want to ask the MineOS devsL881[20:10:20] <PrismaticYT> I don't speak
Russian tho
L882[20:12:33] <ZefTheFox>
Well I'm pretty sure they'd know more about it then us
<ZefTheFox>
Well I'm pretty sure they'd know more about it then usL883[20:12:49] <ZefTheFox>
And mineos probably uses a real world standard
<ZefTheFox>
And mineos probably uses a real world standardL884[20:13:20] <PrismaticYT> So I'm
guessing how it works is the URL contains an init.lua and then it
boots from that
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L889[20:44:08] <PrismaticYT> How do I pass
morse code to computer.beep()?
L890[20:44:23] <PrismaticYT> nvm just had
sound off
L891[20:47:11] <PrismaticYT> wonder if
someone made a text to morse code beep program already
L892[20:54:34] <TheGamingAutomyst> can a
computer locate another computer
L893[20:58:27] <PrismaticYT> in terms of
XYZ?
L894[21:00:07] <TheGamingAutomyst>
yes
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L896[21:02:09] <TheGamingAutomyst> like
that would be cool if that was a thing
L897[21:02:26] <TheGamingAutomyst> and how
would the computer grab it's own coords
L898[21:03:26] <Izaya> you can triangulate
the location from wireless signal strengths
L899[21:09:44] <TheGamingAutomyst> how do
i test strength
L900[21:10:59] <Izaya> it's in the
event
L901[21:11:01] <Izaya> ~w signals
L902[21:11:01] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:signals
L903[21:59:43] <AmandaC> Tfw you realise
fictional wireless protocols are being caught up by real life ones
already
L904[22:00:00] <AmandaC> (re: signal
strength)
L905[22:00:59] <AmandaC> Izaya: have you
messed with psh2.0 yet?
L906[22:01:26] <AmandaC> I think if I've
got the spoons for it tomorrow I'll start on a Kos client for
it
L907[22:02:06] <AmandaC> (though I could
also just load metamachine onto it I guess)
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L909[22:04:28] <AmandaC> (("it"
being my Kos tablet))
L910[22:05:29] *
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tired
L911[22:06:10] <AmandaC> Right, since it's
not that unreasonable to do so, night nerds
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