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L1[00:15:10] <ZefTheFox> Imagine if discord had messages for everytime someone went offline and online
L2[00:16:47] <Izaya> but you all have a bouncer
L3[00:17:05] <Izaya> I presume it has messages for when some leaves a channel or guild, no?
L4[00:24:46] <DFrostedWang> Can I use OC to access a smeltery controller?
L5[00:25:10] <ZefTheFox> DFrost I think you need a mod for that
L6[00:25:25] <DFrostedWang> actually I just found that mod... yeah... can't install that atm though :(
L7[00:25:27] <DFrostedWang> damn
L8[00:25:49] <ZefTheFox> Izaya it's all configuratable, the most discord does on its own is a join message in a specified channel
L9[00:26:08] <DFrostedWang> Right now my computer is literally just a timer block for redstone because the P:Red timer block doesn't work in compact machinery. I want to upgrade it in such a way that it only dumps fluid out when it has x7 items in it
L10[00:26:09] <Izaya> mmh
L11[00:26:10] <DFrostedWang> so it never clogs up
L12[00:26:10] <Izaya> well
L13[00:26:12] <ZefTheFox> You stay in the discord as long as you like, if you go offline you're still in it
L14[00:26:23] <Izaya> yeah, but if someone leaves the guild does it show a message?
L15[00:26:31] <DFrostedWang> Any suggestions for rigging that up besides that mod?
L16[00:26:31] <ZefTheFox> Not without a bot
L17[00:26:40] <Izaya> huh
L18[00:26:43] <Izaya> interesting design
L19[00:26:51] <Izaya> guess you just have to check the user list then, I guess
L20[00:26:57] <ZefTheFox> dynobot.net is the one I tend to use
L21[00:27:16] * Izaya has their client set to hide quit/join/mode messages for people that haven't talked recently
L22[00:27:25] <ZefTheFox> Well I think the audit log shows it
L23[00:27:32] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/TUz7Go0.png
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L25[00:27:53] <ZefTheFox> Irc is an interesting thing
L26[00:28:04] <Izaya> IRC stronk
L27[00:28:11] <DFW> What's really interesting is that the "h" in your name doesn't show up in minecraft
L28[00:28:19] <ZefTheFox> What?
L29[00:28:28] <DFrostedWang> Yeah it's Zef?eFox
L30[00:28:29] <Izaya> probably the Corded non-breaking space
L31[00:28:43] <DFrostedWang> ZefT?eFox rather
L32[00:28:51] <ZefTheFox> That is incredible
L33[00:28:51] <Izaya> so when you have IRC and Discord you don't get pinged when you talk in Discord
L34[00:29:10] <DFW> That's why I have to pick one or the other, literally talking in discord would ping me on irc
L35[00:29:10] <Izaya> in a normal client it doesn't show up but OC's a little wonky
L36[00:29:27] <ZefTheFox> Well if you think that's me it's not lol
L37[00:29:37] <Izaya> but it does normally stop pings though
L38[00:29:43] <Izaya> can't say I've tested it though
L39[00:29:44] <ZefTheFox> Unless it does that for everyone
L40[00:29:56] <Izaya> yeah it does that for everyone
L41[00:30:01] <ZefTheFox> Also are you saying just saying someone's name pings them on irc?
L42[00:30:05] <Izaya> yes
L43[00:30:08] <Izaya> that's how it works
L44[00:30:11] <ZefTheFox> Weirf
L45[00:30:14] <Izaya> nah
L46[00:30:14] <DFW> You mean the one in minecraft? I mean I'm logged into here via an opencomputers terminal
L47[00:30:19] <Izaya> makes perfect sense
L48[00:30:48] <Izaya> DFW: yeah either the client is mangling it somewhat or the screen freaks out or the VT100 layer freaks out
L49[00:30:48] <ZefTheFox> Well kinda, because there are situations where you'd want to say someone's name without pinging them
L50[00:31:07] <Izaya> I'd prefer not to be talked about and not know it
L51[00:31:29] <DFrostedWang> http://puu.sh/Cb3Ih/7307d17a36.png
L52[00:31:35] <ZefTheFox> I guess
L53[00:31:45] <ZefTheFox> Oh it's you
L54[00:31:46] <Izaya> payonel: any input on why the NBSP is being mangled?
L55[00:32:24] <ZefTheFox> Well anyways I'm really proud of my ibm 5150 case
L56[00:32:38] <Izaya> I thought it was neat
L57[00:33:03] <Izaya> Zef: the big thing about saying someone's name pinging them is that it doesn't require anything extra in the protocol
L58[00:33:29] <Izaya> I assume Discord has some sort of messy notification signal for when someone says your name in the protocol somewhere
L59[00:33:44] <Izaya> whereas IRC it's just "is the current nick or any of the notify words in that message?"
L60[00:33:57] <DFW> and it's done locally too, and I bet discord's is on the server
L61[00:33:59] <Izaya> ^
L62[00:34:05] <DFW> like the server decides if you get notified... whereas in irc it's up to your client
L63[00:34:17] <DFW> can discord even set up notify words?
L64[00:34:31] <Izaya> admittedly I've never written a Discord client or bot, but fuck writing for something that webby
L65[00:34:52] <DFW> Fuck webby in general, she was always an annoying little shit
L66[00:35:00] <DFW> although in the new series she's alright
L67[00:35:04] <DFW> Kate Micucci
L68[00:35:09] * Izaya squints
L69[00:35:11] <Izaya> what
L70[00:35:16] <DFrostedWang> lol just off on a tangent
L71[00:35:20] <ZefTheFox> Discords ping system works off a descriminator
L72[00:35:23] <DFrostedWang> new Duck Tales is hella good
L73[00:35:23] <ZefTheFox> @ZefTheFox
L74[00:35:39] <ZefTheFox> I just pinged myself I wonder how that'll show
L75[00:35:46] <DFrostedWang> @ZefTheFox
L76[00:35:49] <DFrostedWang> Did that ping you?
L77[00:35:55] <ZefTheFox> Yes it did
L78[00:36:02] <DFrostedWang> But just saying ZefTheFox won't
L79[00:36:05] <ZefTheFox> http://tinyurl.com/y8mt3uzd
L80[00:36:09] <ZefTheFox> Yeah
L81[00:36:17] <Izaya> how inconvenient
L82[00:36:22] * Izaya talks about ZefTheFox behind their back
L83[00:36:23] <DFrostedWang> I do use discord for a lot of stuff
L84[00:36:35] <ZefTheFox> Every user on discord is assigned a 4 number descriminator
L85[00:36:37] <Izaya> I refuse to be used or encourage others to be used by user-hostile services
L86[00:36:37] <DFrostedWang> but I have my irc channels too
L87[00:36:51] <ZefTheFox> @ ZefTheFox#6324
L88[00:37:04] <DFrostedWang> Discord will be gone in a few years I'm sure, some new thing will have replaced it and people will either hold on to something terrible or go back to IRC
L89[00:37:11] <ZefTheFox> That's how it's composed, if that didn't already show up
L90[00:37:12] <DFrostedWang> same as with every other messaging program except IRC
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L92[00:37:27] <ZefTheFox> Discord has been growing
L93[00:37:32] <DFrostedWang> That's interesting that it quits me instead of timing out when I ctrl+c
L94[00:37:44] <Izaya> it'll get sold off and disappear
L95[00:37:47] <Izaya> no sweat
L96[00:37:49] <ZefTheFox> Ctrl c os a soft interrupt
L97[00:37:50] <Izaya> IRC is eternal
L98[00:38:09] <ZefTheFox> The program gets it as an event
L99[00:38:37] <ZefTheFox> I've been using kik for 2 years with my friends
L100[00:39:36] <ZefTheFox> Before that it was Skype
L101[00:39:49] <Izaya> and in 5 years it'll be something totally different
L102[00:39:55] <Izaya> the eternal IM churn
L103[00:40:06] <ZefTheFox> And Jesus Christ was I stupid for thinking skype was good
L104[00:40:16] <Izaya> skype was okay for a while
L105[00:40:19] <Izaya> then Microsoft bought it
L106[00:40:23] <ZefTheFox> You're acting just like some Linux users
L107[00:40:56] <Izaya> I'm not even talking shit here
L108[00:40:57] <ZefTheFox> "this is superior and will always survive and has no flaws and this and that"
L109[00:41:13] <ZefTheFox> Good point
L110[00:41:24] <Izaya> skype was okay until a few years after microsoft bought it out
L111[00:41:42] <Izaya> they switched from a fancy P2P system to totally client-server, fucked up the interface, and as of a few years ago it's full of ads
L112[00:41:48] <ZefTheFox> I do love the channel and role system discord has
L113[00:42:17] <ZefTheFox> Yeah Skype has gone to total shit
L114[00:42:24] <AmandaC> Microsoft changed the Skype client to use some exchange / outlook chat protocol after they bought it
L115[00:42:27] <Izaya> that's neat and all but XMPP has end-to-end encryption for group chats as well as fun stuff like that :^)
L116[00:42:46] <Izaya> but IRC is so dumb it will outlast the heat death of the universe
L117[00:43:06] <Izaya> you can write a client in bash if you're brave enough and it's dead simple to parse most of it
L118[00:43:15] <AmandaC> It's literally sending exchange XML blobs around now
L119[00:43:34] <Izaya> the protocol is somewhat hairy due to being like 30 years old but the basic concepts are so dumb they can't go wrong
L120[00:43:37] <ZefTheFox> Word documents are just zipped xmls
L121[00:43:48] <AmandaC> %xkcd social clients
L122[00:43:49] <MichiBot> AmandaC: https://xkcd.com/1810/ - *xkcd: Chat Systems*: "Chat Systems. | · >|. Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/1810/ Image URL (for hotlinking/embedding): ..."
L123[00:43:59] <AmandaC> Nope
L124[00:44:16] <AmandaC> CBA to try and find the right one
L125[00:44:20] <ZefTheFox> Fucking slack
L126[00:44:21] <Izaya> %xkcd im protocols
L127[00:44:22] <MichiBot> Izaya: https://xkcd.com/927/ - *xkcd: Standards*: " · >|. Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/927/ Image URL (for hotlinking/embedding): https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.&quot;
L128[00:44:25] <Izaya> nope
L129[00:44:37] <Izaya> %xkcd team chat
L130[00:44:39] <MichiBot> Izaya: https://xkcd.com/1782/ - *xkcd: Team Chat*: " · >|. Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/1782/ Image URL (for hotlinking/embedding): https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/team_chat.&quot;
L131[00:44:41] <Izaya> HAH
L132[00:44:47] <Izaya> that's the one
L133[00:44:49] <ZefTheFox> Slack is literally discord but default light theme
L134[00:45:03] <Izaya> Discord is literally slack but dark theme and not as secure
L135[00:45:07] <DFrostedWang> ^
L136[00:45:17] <DFrostedWang> But IRC can be secure af too if you want
L137[00:45:21] <Izaya> also gamer branding
L138[00:45:29] <DFrostedWang> What surprises me is the lack of IRC in office settings
L139[00:45:35] <Izaya> DFrostedWang: I prefer XMPP if I'm worried about security
L140[00:45:50] <DFrostedWang> it's the perfect use-case, being that you can run it on the company intranet with your own private, secure server
L141[00:45:50] <Izaya> you *can* use OTR over IRC but that's only any good for 1:1
L142[00:45:54] <ZefTheFox> Because offices are usually filled with technically disabled people
L143[00:46:03] <DFrostedWang> I work in a call center as of a few weeks ago
L144[00:46:07] <DFrostedWang> so I am well aware
L145[00:46:11] <DFrostedWang> the worst type of office lol
L146[00:46:23] <ZefTheFox> I'm 16 and I'm aware
L147[00:46:24] <ZefTheFox> Lol
L148[00:46:37] <Izaya> at work we just use email
L149[00:46:43] <Izaya> \o/
L150[00:46:45] <ZefTheFox> I see enough stuff from tech support subs and stuff
L151[00:46:55] <Izaya> email is shit but at least it works on basically anything
L152[00:46:57] * AmandaC grabs a cane, waves it around in the direction of zef
L153[00:46:59] <ZefTheFox> Email is usable, that's about it though
L154[00:47:15] <ZefTheFox> I making you feel old?
L155[00:47:27] <Izaya> email is 50 years old and the cruft is kinda overgrowing on it
L156[00:47:40] <AmandaC> Damn kids, literally a decade younger than me
L157[00:47:42] <ZefTheFox> Wtf kinda English did I use lol
L158[00:48:23] * AmandaC mutters all the way to her pillow, dozes. Night nerds
L159[00:48:23] <DFrostedWang> I'm 21 so it's only half a decade
L160[00:48:27] <ZefTheFox> Yeah I'm probably pretty young compared to many people here
L161[00:48:34] <Izaya> I think email needs to have a new standard written up basically requiring encryption and being easy to follow
L162[00:48:38] <Izaya> but you do that and then you have
L163[00:48:41] <Izaya> %xkcd standards
L164[00:48:42] <MichiBot> Izaya: https://xkcd.com/927/ - *xkcd: Standards*: "Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/927/ Image URL (for hotlinking/ embedding): https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png. HOW STANDARDS ..."
L165[00:48:47] <Izaya> sleep well AmandaC
L166[00:49:06] <DFrostedWang> yeah that's why IRC always wins, because new standards come and go but IRC just chugs along in the background, knowing you'll eventually find yourself crawling back
L167[00:49:32] <Izaya> IRC also needs a new easy to follow standard with some of the cruft removed
L168[00:49:35] <DFrostedWang> Can we interface with AE2 without any additional mods?
L169[00:49:42] <Izaya> but I mean that's been tried at least once and hasn't caught on
L170[00:49:45] <ZefTheFox> Probably not
L171[00:49:46] <Izaya> DFrostedWang: depends on the OC version
L172[00:49:55] <DFrostedWang> I'm getting back into MC after a good year of not playing so it's been a minute
L173[00:49:59] <DFrostedWang> I'm on the latest version on 1.12.2
L174[00:50:00] <Izaya> works on 1.7.10 and the latest 1.12 IIRC
L175[00:56:44] <DFrostedWang> Btw what's the deal with plan9k
L176[00:56:53] <DFrostedWang> don't know what to think about it, any point to use it over openos?
L177[00:57:39] <ZefTheFox> No
L178[00:57:49] <ZefTheFox> I'm pretty sure it's depreciated
L179[01:02:13] <Izaya> it does coop multitasking more
L180[01:02:21] <Izaya> and has native support for an amount of IP networking
L181[01:02:25] <Izaya> but I gather it's more or less abandoned
L182[01:08:18] <Izaya> this is your server on windows https://my.mixtape.moe/ithbqp.png
L183[01:09:31] <DFrostedWang> whose server?
L184[01:10:01] <Izaya> well, in this case, mine
L185[01:10:22] <DFrostedWang> My server is like https://puu.sh/Cb4sC/256e3e57ce.png
L186[01:10:33] <Izaya> kek
L187[01:10:37] <Izaya> feels bad
L188[01:10:38] <DFrostedWang> but nobody is on it
L189[01:10:47] <Izaya> oh I don't mean Minecraft server
L190[01:10:51] <DFrostedWang> oh
L191[01:10:53] <DFrostedWang> what sort you mean then
L192[01:10:58] <Izaya> I mean server in general
L193[01:11:00] <DFrostedWang> oh
L194[01:11:09] <Izaya> that box is running 3 Windows virtual machines
L195[01:11:20] <Izaya> as well as about 15 linux virtual machines
L196[01:11:29] <DFrostedWang> http://puu.sh/Cb4ul/3c2fb3f6b6.png This is my *desktop* lol I could probably run a couple VMs no prob
L197[01:11:36] <Izaya> one Windows VM uses more memory than all of the Linux VMs combined
L198[01:11:37] <DFrostedWang> my actual server is in another location and offline right now :(
L199[01:11:59] <DFrostedWang> I run three linux VMs and a single windows VM which I pass the single GPU through to
L200[01:12:02] <DFrostedWang> so it's a gaming server lol
L201[01:12:23] <DFrostedWang> 32gb memory and windows takes half that
L202[01:12:32] <Izaya> yup
L203[01:12:48] <Izaya> I'm just using these VMs to do certs so I'm giving them like 2-4GB each
L204[01:13:08] <Izaya> but I don't even have 2GB allocated to all the linux VMs
L205[01:13:20] <Izaya> (to be fair I run the Minecraft server in a container so it's not counted)
L206[01:13:48] <DFrostedWang> I use mine for various little bits... like for example I gave one of them the hardware to read basically anything (disks, microsd, sd, even has hotswap usb) and it's literally got like 500mb ram and is just for file transfers
L207[01:14:10] <DFrostedWang> 'cause linux lets me read any filesystem I want and windows is a pain to do that sort of thing with
L208[01:14:18] * Izaya nods
L209[01:15:24] <DFrostedWang> Server has an 8350 though so it's not gonna be doing much with that anyway
L210[01:32:39] <DFrostedWang> You know honestly besides just doing things that I already do with redstone in a smaller block, I don't see much use in opencomputers
L211[01:33:56] <Izaya> beyond some more complicated logic to do with some mods I can see the logic there
L212[01:34:26] <Izaya> I enjoy it mostly because it's a goal to work towards more than something I use in overly productive ways
L213[01:36:23] <DFrostedWang> I'm thinking I should really force myself to use it instead of project red
L214[01:36:31] <DFrostedWang> but even then the amount of stuff I use P:red for is pretty limited
L215[01:36:44] * Izaya enjoys setting up networks and such
L216[01:37:09] <DFrostedWang> I don't even understand it well enough to get into that sort of thing
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L218[01:37:29] <DFrostedWang> amateur would be a generous term for me
L219[01:37:31] <BILLPC2684> hello :3
L220[01:38:06] <DFrostedWang> If I run a cable to an adapter it "just works" right
L221[01:38:10] <DFrostedWang> or do I need to do stuff to mount it
L222[01:38:15] <Izaya> ey
L223[01:38:21] <Izaya> DFrostedWang: it'll pop up as a component
L224[01:38:30] <DFrostedWang> cool
L225[01:38:37] <Izaya> DFrostedWang: I do stuff like this for fun https://oc.shadowkat.net/minitel/img/minitel-ad.jpg
L226[01:38:38] <DFrostedWang> not the adapter though, the stuff next to it, right?
L227[01:38:46] <Izaya> I find I don't actually use the mod in a practical manner, though
L228[01:39:00] <Izaya> well, the adapter will represent the thing next to it
L229[01:39:18] <DFrostedWang> being a multisided block, I assume it can do anything next to it?
L230[01:39:27] <Izaya> probably but unsure
L231[01:39:29] <DFrostedWang> Is there a way I can send redstone out of it?
L232[01:39:32] <DFrostedWang> or a similar block?
L233[01:39:37] <Izaya> that'll need a redstone block
L234[01:39:40] <Izaya> the uh
L235[01:39:41] <DFrostedWang> oh that's a thing
L236[01:39:43] <DFrostedWang> cool
L237[01:39:44] <Izaya> redstone I/O block IIRC
L238[01:39:48] * Izaya doesn't remember
L239[01:39:51] <Izaya> there's also the redstone card
L240[01:40:18] <DFrostedWang> Basically what I'm thinking about doing is having a computer running literally all the redstone I use and just lighting up different parts of the screen when redstone triggers
L241[01:40:26] <DFrostedWang> because it would look cool
L242[01:40:27] <DFrostedWang> :D
L243[01:44:05] <DFrostedWang> How tf do I use a rack mounted disk drive?
L244[01:45:34] <BILLPC2684> hey has enyone gotten bit32 is a nil value in a program?
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L246[01:45:44] <TheGamingAutomyst> Hey
L247[01:46:48] <Izaya> DFrostedWang: you put it in the rack, line up the heavy line, right click on it to insert a disk
L248[01:47:35] <DFrostedWang> oh there we go, thanks
L249[01:52:13] <TheGamingAutomyst> midi causes "Too Long without Yielding" message
L250[01:59:12] <BILLPC2684> i keep telling you it's not from midi
L251[02:03:46] <DFrostedWang> Can I not connect bundled cable straight to the computer?
L252[02:04:13] <DFrostedWang> like I can send a signal out a white cable and pass through the bundle, but I can't hook it up to send straight from that to a white cable
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L256[02:10:28] <ZefTheFox> I'm not sure if oc has that functionality
L257[02:11:34] <BILLPC2684> my server restarted so we both lost connction(lol)
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L260[02:13:09] <DFrostedWang> @ZefTheFox It says you can use setBundledOutput with side and color
L261[02:13:18] <DFrostedWang> but it only works with the regular wire, not with bundled cable
L262[02:13:56] <ZefTheFox> Rednet?
L263[02:14:09] <ZefTheFox> I'm pretty sure that's what it's for
L264[02:14:56] <DFrostedWang> yeah but that's minefactory reloaded
L265[02:15:04] <DFrostedWang> is it not P:Red compatible?
L266[02:15:06] <DFrostedWang> that's kinda lame
L267[02:25:04] <BILLPC2684> whats not compatible with ProjectRed?
L268[02:39:48] <DFrostedWang> BILLPC2684: setBundledOutput
L269[02:43:53] <DFrostedWang> actually "For bundled input/output we currently only support ProjectRed for Minecraft 1.12"
L270[02:44:02] <DFrostedWang> that's from the redstone page on the website, so why isn't it working?
L271[02:44:28] <DFrostedWang> http://puu.sh/Cb66A/6770aa8895.png
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L273[02:49:27] <DFrostedWang> http://puu.sh/Cb6cd/d7242f2cda.png
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L275[02:59:30] <dequbed> Izaya: Email doesn't have that much cruft if you disregard backwards-compatability and just tell people to use a good client.
L276[02:59:40] <Izaya> yes but nobody does
L277[02:59:53] <Izaya> and that's a human issue and not a technology issue
L278[02:59:57] <dequbed> I do.
L279[03:00:10] <Izaya> is thunderbird good
L280[03:00:18] <dequbed> Good enough
L281[03:00:23] <Izaya> alright so
L282[03:00:28] <Izaya> at least two people use good clients then
L283[03:00:46] <dequbed> But only if you disable HTML-Email
L284[03:00:57] <dequbed> Because Thunderbird supports too much JS (that is, any at all)
L285[03:01:06] <Izaya> HTML does not improve email
L286[03:02:46] <dequbed> Also, encryption on email will always be bad simply because the completely asyncronous nature of Email is much much more important than having PFS or ephemeral keys
L287[03:04:42] <dequbed> Izaya: But you can run OMEMO over IRC if you implement it. With IRCv3 you can even do that kind of cleanly.
L288[03:05:13] <Izaya> True enough
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L294[06:29:21] <Forecaster> multi-bird pets https://i.imgur.com/pmiUXrk.gifv
L295[06:32:33] <Izaya> this isn't just petting
L296[06:32:36] <Izaya> this is ... advanced petting
L297[06:41:28] <Izaya> https://i.redd.it/cpner0f0hr121.jpg
L298[07:08:04] <S3> oh hey dequbed
L299[07:08:54] <dequbed> S3: hm?
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L303[07:12:26] <S3> I was saying Hi
L304[07:12:47] <S3> Man I had no idea it was going to snow
L305[07:12:58] <dequbed> Uh.. Hello back I guess?
L306[07:13:51] <S3> Even the main roads look awesome, should do a sunday drive today
L307[07:15:01] <S3> https://tinyurl.com/y78oydrb
L308[07:16:12] <S3> I had no idea it was going to snow
L309[07:16:14] <dequbed> Hey, at least you pulled over to take that picture +1
L310[07:16:17] <S3> oops
L311[07:16:28] <S3> I didn't take that picture lol
L312[07:16:33] <S3> the police did
L313[07:16:46] <dequbed> At least *they* pulled over to take that picture :p
L314[07:16:50] <S3> But, if I can get my car fixed I probably will go out
L315[07:16:59] <S3> there's a chance they didn't
L316[07:17:04] <S3> :D
L317[07:18:14] <S3> I'm kidding, yeah so the thing about our roads
L318[07:18:20] <S3> is you never want to drive down the edges of them
L319[07:19:21] <S3> because the ice creeps up the edges
L320[07:19:31] <S3> during winter you'll see 18 wheelers driving down the center line
L321[07:19:56] <S3> not on that road, that road i s really wide
L322[07:19:59] <S3> that's 1A
L323[07:22:27] <dequbed> I don't think the police would drive at speed that close to the edge even mid-summer.
L324[07:24:25] <S3> they do
L325[07:24:45] <dequbed> ... I tend to forget just *how* stupid american police is. Disregard me.
L326[07:24:52] <S3> they drive wherever they want
L327[07:25:05] <S3> they also drive really fucking fast on that road
L328[07:25:27] <S3> I remember once I was driving that road, it's about half an hour trek until you get to town
L329[07:25:52] <S3> and all of a sudden I heard sirens then blue lights and I had to pull way way over against the ditch
L330[07:26:11] <S3> I normally drive about 60-65 mph on that road
L331[07:26:35] <S3> and they were going so fast that even if I didn't pull over I would have just pretty much felt like I was sitting still
L332[07:26:40] <dequbed> What's that in real units again?
L333[07:27:13] <S3> 96-104km/h
L334[07:27:38] <dequbed> thanks
L335[07:27:45] <S3> a lot of people drive 110+km/h
L336[07:27:47] <S3> on that
L337[07:28:06] <S3> it's the limit is actually 88.5 according to google
L338[07:28:20] <dequbed> Dunno what that road looks like without snow, but 110km/h is really not that fast for a highway.
L339[07:28:32] <S3> but +/- 10Mph is no problem out in rural areas
L340[07:28:43] <S3> no it's not
L341[07:28:56] <S3> it's just a state route but
L342[07:29:25] <S3> \what annoys me is that when I go out of state many states nearby their roads are like 10 Mph less on average
L343[07:29:36] <S3> so sometimes I'm going like 20Mph pver
L344[07:29:41] <S3> and don't even realize it lol
L345[07:30:12] <S3> but anyays that road is relatively nice in the summer, but it has steep hills
L346[07:30:30] <S3> see if I cant find something..
L347[07:31:04] <dequbed> Yeah, I'm spoiled by the German Autobahn.
L348[07:32:02] <S3> https://bdn-data.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2014/08/10062841_H13397015-600x857.jpg
L349[07:32:12] <S3> so this is what it is like in summer
L350[07:32:39] <S3> the page I got that from questions that roads safety lol, which is hilarious because I tell people it's one of the most dangerous roads in Maine
L351[07:34:53] <S3> there's very little police out there
L352[07:34:59] <S3> I very rarely see them
L353[07:35:20] <S3> the thing is its a decently long stretch in the middle of nowhere and a lot of people drive it really fast drunk coming back from town
L354[07:35:57] <S3> in the middle of the night most people hug the edge of the road
L355[07:36:08] <S3> because of all of the head on accidents that have happened
L356[07:37:52] <S3> In the summer it's heavily packed with tourists, and some of them, especially those from New York can't fucking read
L357[07:37:59] <S3> and pose a danger to the road almost every time I see them
L358[11:02:07] <vifino> hello!
L359[11:02:34] <vifino> actually, make that a "hello.", the exclamation point makes it sound like i'm excited.
L360[11:16:03] <vifino> i just said no to a wedding invitation i received a long time ago, they'll be married in two weeks.
L361[11:16:09] <vifino> i feel like a bad person now.
L362[11:19:55] <Forecaster> I'm sure the wedding will be completely ruined by you not being there
L363[12:09:32] <Inari> %loot
L364[12:09:32] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains a rosary.
L365[12:09:35] <Inari> %tonk
L366[12:09:36] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Inari, you were not able to beat simon816's record of 15 hours, 1 minute and 23 seconds this time.
L367[12:09:37] <MichiBot> 14 hours and 6 seconds were wasted!
L368[12:09:44] <Mimiru> damn it..
L369[12:09:45] <Mimiru> lol
L370[12:09:55] <Inari> Sorry D:
L371[12:10:52] <simon816> rip
L372[12:16:13] <Kleadron> merry happy thanks easter
L373[12:18:10] <Kleadron> %loot
L374[12:18:30] <Kleadron> huh
L375[12:18:36] <Kleadron> %loot
L376[12:18:41] <Kleadron> wtf
L377[12:18:42] <Mimiru> no reply means error..
L378[12:19:05] <Mimiru> some of the inventory stuff isn't working
L379[12:19:15] <Mimiru> so sometimes loot hits an "invalid" item
L380[12:19:22] <Inari> Nah
L381[12:19:27] <Inari> It stick it into the invnetory
L382[12:19:28] <Inari> \o/
L383[12:19:40] <Inari> Or was that fixed?
L384[12:19:47] <Mimiru> what..?
L385[12:19:48] <Kleadron> %loot
L386[12:19:52] <Inari> %inv list
L387[12:19:52] <MichiBot> Inari: Here's my inventory: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/inventory
L388[12:20:30] <Inari> a Magic mysterious fix for the %give command! (25%) Kleadron 48 years ago
L389[12:20:31] <Inari> those
L390[12:20:45] <Mimiru> I still have no idea what you mean
L391[12:20:47] <Mimiru> but mkay.
L392[12:21:28] <Mimiru> It's very likely this migraine I've had for a fucking week
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L395[12:23:12] <Forecaster> it's supposed to take an item from MichiBot and add it to that users inventory, which it does (the web gui can't tell the difference), but then it fails to print it to the chat
L396[12:23:24] <Inari> I see :P
L397[12:23:29] <Inari> bad web ui then
L398[12:23:49] <Forecaster> it hasn't been updated to support that yet, because those changes are obviously incomplete
L399[12:57:30] <ZefTheFox> mrcrayfish's video sytle is awful
L400[12:57:40] <ZefTheFox> His mods are good but I don't like his youtube
L401[13:08:32] <Kodos> His mods are too hokey
L402[13:08:50] <Kodos> We need a good furniture mod for 1.12
L403[13:14:35] <ZefTheFox> His furniture mod is avalible for 1.12 but I think an alright replacement is decocraft2
L404[13:35:34] <ZefTheFox> *hes explaining his machines by just calling it a furnace*
L405[13:58:05] <Forecaster> http://tinyurl.com/yav7noyr
L406[13:58:10] <Forecaster> we have contact
L407[14:12:25] <payonel> Izaya: got it
L408[14:13:20] <payonel> Izaya: [from my docs] return patterns; nil: always indicates an error or invalid state (e.g. trying to use a closed socket); false: always indicates an incomplete attempt on a valid state. specifically, timeouts and interrupts
L409[14:14:04] <payonel> so, for example, if you use server_socket:accept(math.huge) --[[ block for math.huge seconds waiting for the next client socket ]]
L410[14:14:27] <payonel> it can return false BEFORE a timeout, if that thread/proc receives an "interrupted" signal
L411[14:14:53] <payonel> bam! no blocking calls, and easily deterministic failure states
L412[14:16:16] <payonel> Izaya: i'm considering adding a return to socket:pull()
L413[14:16:40] <payonel> socket:pull() returns a var arg that is identical to what ever the remote puts in socket:push()
L414[14:17:02] <payonel> but if pull times out (e.g. socket:pull(timeout) where timeout passes), it returns 0 args
L415[14:17:50] <payonel> i can't return false/nil there because..those might be valid args pushed
L416[14:18:45] <payonel> but if i instead always return true/false like pcall does, i can indicate result of the call
L417[14:18:59] <payonel> but i also like the cleanliness of pull() as it is now, and how it matches push()
L418[14:19:05] <payonel> s/matches/mirrors/
L419[14:19:06] <MichiBot> <payonel> but i also like the cleanliness of pull() as it is now, and how it mirrors push()
L420[14:20:43] <payonel> right now user code has to check if the socket is good anytime pull returns an empty list
L421[14:21:17] <payonel> stuff like: if not socket:wait(0) then --[[the socket is invalid]] end
L422[14:21:27] <ZefTheFox> I feel betrayed
L423[14:21:34] <ZefTheFox> railcraft isn't for 1.12
L424[14:22:03] <Forecaster> it is in-dev
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L427[15:29:13] <CompanionCube> so this is A Thing: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/polkit/polkit/issues/74
L428[15:29:31] <CompanionCube> title: 'unprivileged users with UID > INT_MAX can successfully execute any systemctl command'
L429[16:27:53] <AmandaC> @Forecaster good job getting newserver.org
L430[16:31:19] <AmandaC> ( I assume that's actually just a hosts file entry, though I'll never understand why people think a valid TLD is required for it. )
L431[16:33:35] <Skye> "www.securepaynet.net uses an unsupported protocol." wut
L432[16:34:24] <Forecaster> It's a host entry yes
L433[16:34:53] <Forecaster> And I know it's not, it's just muscle memory
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L437[19:05:40] <Temia> systemd, ladies and gentlemen]
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L439[19:23:13] <TheGamingAutomyst> how do i upload a lua file to a server and copy it on my IRL pc
L440[19:26:02] <ZefTheFox> Do you have access to the servers files
L441[19:27:08] <ZefTheFox> TheGamingAutomyst
L442[19:27:41] <TheGamingAutomyst> i just want to upload a lua file to a website and be able to copy it
L443[19:28:54] <ZefTheFox> I don't get what you're saying, why can't you just open the lua file?
L444[19:30:17] <TheGamingAutomyst> theres a lua file on my OC computer that i want to have accees to on my IRL computer
L445[19:30:26] <TheGamingAutomyst> access*
L446[19:30:48] <ZefTheFox> Do you have direct acess to that minecraft world?
L447[19:31:12] <TheGamingAutomyst> no im on my friends server
L448[19:31:37] <ZefTheFox> Try pastebin commands?
L449[19:31:46] <ZefTheFox> I don't remember if oc has them
L450[19:31:55] <ZefTheFox> you'd need an internet card
L451[19:32:07] <TheGamingAutomyst> already do since im talking on here
L452[19:32:21] <ZefTheFox> oh you're using the ingame irc client
L453[19:32:27] <TheGamingAutomyst> yes
L454[19:32:50] <ZefTheFox> Well if there is a pastebin command you should just be able to upload to pastebin and get a code for it
L455[19:33:02] <TheGamingAutomyst> alright ill try that
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L458[19:35:35] <TheGamingAutomyst> it worked thx
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L465[20:39:19] <Z0idburg> That's okay Vifino
L466[20:39:30] <Z0idburg> By long time ago I thought they married years ago
L467[20:39:32] <Z0idburg> LOL
L468[20:44:48] <Z0idburg> %w KBGR
L469[20:44:49] <MichiBot> Current weather for Bangor International, ME Current Temp: 37°F/3°C Feels Like: 31°F/-1°C Current Humidity: 100% Wind: From the NNW 8 Mph/13 Km/h Conditions: Overcast
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L471[20:48:57] <EcmaXp> I will rewrite OpenPython with rust
L472[20:49:18] <EcmaXp> JVM is pretty slow :(
L473[20:51:30] <Z0idburg> Gross.
L474[21:00:35] <Z0idburg> @EcmaXp As much as I dislike the JVM, most of that is due to the laziness and recklessness of programmers who use it.
L475[21:00:51] <Z0idburg> not to mention, Python isn't nececessarily known for beinr.g top performance eithe
L476[21:01:03] <Z0idburg> not to mention, Python isn't nececessarily known for being top performance either. [Edited]
L477[21:02:12] <Z0idburg> I don't care if something is slow as long as it is efficient. The slower it is th emore efficient it better be. Unfortunately, code on the JVM is generally very inefficient for many reasons including above.
L478[21:03:52] <EcmaXp> JVM is slow and my mod include Arm(Thumb) CPU emulation + micropytho firmware
L479[21:04:32] <Z0idburg> and thumb is also inefficient as a load store architecture ?
L480[21:04:42] <Z0idburg> but for its own purposeful reasons
L481[21:04:48] <EcmaXp> Yes.
L482[21:05:35] <EcmaXp> So i will try JIT thumb instruction code to x86-64 instruction and execute native way
L483[21:06:01] <EcmaXp> https://github.com/CensoredUsername/dynasm-rs
L484[21:06:33] <Z0idburg> But then you have efficiency side effects from the conversion.
L485[21:06:47] <Z0idburg> "artifacts" I call them
L486[21:07:03] <Z0idburg> redundant instructions that otherwise wouldn't have to be there
L487[21:07:23] <Z0idburg> "artifacts" I suppose I would call them [Edited]
L488[21:08:07] <Z0idburg> But then you have the side effects of efficiency loss from the conversion. [Edited]
L489[21:09:05] <EcmaXp> Yes, difference architecture. Example) ADD instruction in thumb has setting NZCV but another ADD will not; while x86 ADD setting FLAGS always
L490[21:09:24] <EcmaXp> And sandbox still required.
L491[21:09:59] <EcmaXp> A. Parse and build control flow
L492[21:10:12] <Z0idburg> How reliable do you think a homebrew optimization would work?
L493[21:10:22] <EcmaXp> Yes?
L494[21:10:24] <Z0idburg> worth the time?
L495[21:10:52] <EcmaXp> No idea
L496[21:10:53] <EcmaXp> A..
L497[21:10:56] <Z0idburg> lol
L498[21:11:11] <EcmaXp> Maybe it will release after 2019 Jan
L499[21:12:20] <EcmaXp> Stability is most important because errorous instruction will crash minecraft server
L500[21:12:27] <EcmaXp> Worried situation
L501[21:14:48] <Z0idburg> Why would it crash the server?
L502[21:17:06] <EcmaXp> Execute native x86-64 asm code and my mistake?
L503[21:17:21] <EcmaXp> I am not familiar with x86-64
L504[21:17:54] <Z0idburg> Oh, I see what you're doing now, you're not emulating x86
L505[21:17:59] <EcmaXp> Yes
L506[21:18:12] <EcmaXp> Native way execute
L507[21:18:24] <Z0idburg> I would not do that under any circumstances
L508[21:18:55] <Z0idburg> that would be the most massive security problem you may ever write
L509[21:20:45] <CompanionCube> did you see my commentary on a certain mod last night
L510[21:21:02] <EcmaXp> So i will leave that as option
L511[21:21:10] <EcmaXp> Ehh... me?
L512[21:21:13] <EcmaXp> I didnt
L513[21:21:24] <CompanionCube> I mean Z0idburg really :p
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L515[21:21:50] <EcmaXp> Aha
L516[21:22:17] <CompanionCube> Someone wrote a mod for x86 computers in Minecraft
L517[21:22:20] <CompanionCube> and I took it apart.
L518[21:22:58] <Z0idburg> you know
L519[21:23:20] <Z0idburg> If you'r etruly running on thumb16 EcmaXp
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L521[21:23:55] <Z0idburg> then you could convert to 6502 machine code, which would increase load store operations efficiency by maybe 20 - 30%
L522[21:24:32] <CompanionCube> (the quality of the mod's code was the same as that of the initial idea)
L523[21:24:50] <Z0idburg> optimized 6502 of course
L524[21:25:05] <Z0idburg> a 6502 can perform load modify and store operations much, much faster than ARM can
L525[21:25:14] <Z0idburg> in less instructions
L526[21:28:43] <Z0idburg> EcmaXp, I would ,much more appreciate a BEAM architecture mod for OC
L527[21:28:54] <Z0idburg> if there was a BEAM arch I would be so overjoiced
L528[21:29:00] <Z0idburg> overjoyed*
L529[21:29:23] <CompanionCube> what would you run on it though
L530[21:29:41] <BILLPC2684> hey does enyone know how to get keyboard input with event.pull or something?
L531[21:29:48] <CompanionCube> unless you only used it in servrs
L532[21:29:53] <CompanionCube> then there'd be a use maybe
L533[21:30:44] <Z0idburg> Well first of all I think I'd make every computer represented by an actor
L534[21:30:52] <Z0idburg> and they could communicate with actors they create
L535[21:31:04] <Z0idburg> and communicate with other actors / computer actors using modems
L536[21:31:36] <Z0idburg> you could make one computer into many
L537[21:31:42] <Z0idburg> or many into one
L538[21:32:10] <Z0idburg> remember the multiple actor thing with erlang isn't about performance
L539[21:32:35] <Z0idburg> it's about latency and reliability
L540[21:32:42] <Z0idburg> and I suppose scalability
L541[21:33:39] <Z0idburg> I think the more difficult question I would have CompanionCube would be, what woulkd it "run on"?
L542[21:34:09] <Z0idburg> compile BEAM with gcj? not a chance.. I highly doubt you could
L543[21:34:42] <EcmaXp> 6502?
L544[21:34:58] <Z0idburg> What about it?
L545[21:35:30] <EcmaXp> I dont think micropython will not compile in 6502 cpu
L546[21:35:41] <Z0idburg> LOL
L547[21:35:43] <EcmaXp> *-not
L548[21:35:44] <Z0idburg> double negatives?
L549[21:35:45] <EcmaXp> Aaaa
L550[21:35:45] <Z0idburg> ?
L551[21:36:06] <Z0idburg> you're right. Python will have a bit of trouble on a 6502.
L552[21:36:24] <Z0idburg> Even if you could do it the memory space would require a sophisticated MMU
L553[21:36:26] <EcmaXp> Did you hear about micropyhon?
L554[21:36:48] <Z0idburg> No, I stay the heck away from Python because I really don't like it,
L555[21:36:49] <EcmaXp> *micropython: http://micropython.org
L556[21:37:02] <EcmaXp> Python for embedded machine
L557[21:37:17] <Z0idburg> Not surprised
L558[21:37:18] <EcmaXp> So actually it is just a C program
L559[21:37:19] <EcmaXp> Haha
L560[21:37:30] <EcmaXp> As like CPython
L561[21:37:36] <Z0idburg> there's micro lua or whatever too
L562[21:37:47] <Z0idburg> See that's another thing
L563[21:37:51] <Z0idburg> c is already inefficient as shit
L564[21:37:51] <EcmaXp> Surprised
L565[21:38:04] <Z0idburg> the last thing I want to do is create a giant mess and run it on a microcontroller lol
L566[21:38:06] <Z0idburg> as neat as it is
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L568[21:39:58] <EcmaXp> I will comeback later
L569[21:40:09] <EcmaXp> After write a prototype
L570[21:40:23] <EcmaXp> Estimated time: 1 ~ 2 week
L571[21:40:41] <Z0idburg> https://learnyousomeerlang.com/
L572[21:40:49] <EcmaXp> ()()()
L573[21:40:51] <EcmaXp> (())
L574[21:41:57] <CompanionCube> I assume you already know of JavaScript for microcontroller
L575[21:42:02] <CompanionCube> if you want an even bigger messs
L576[21:42:11] <Z0idburg> oh yeah
L577[21:42:17] <Z0idburg> eeeeeevil
L578[21:43:17] <EcmaXp> Java~~script~~
L579[21:43:45] <Z0idburg> here
L580[21:43:55] <Z0idburg> just create a codewar arch
L581[21:43:56] <Z0idburg> ?
L582[21:44:02] <Z0idburg> nothing but codewar instructions
L583[21:44:46] <Z0idburg> everyone knows what codewar is?
L584[21:45:18] <Z0idburg> it's when you poop in the ram trying to stop other processes from executing
L585[21:45:24] <Z0idburg> you need to be the last one standing
L586[21:45:33] <Z0idburg> not actually poop"
L587[21:45:50] <Z0idburg> but you know what I mean, you write a progrsam to sort of poison other programs
L588[21:46:11] <CompanionCube> core wars?
L589[21:47:24] <Z0idburg> I don't remember it originally being plural
L590[21:47:44] <CompanionCube> apparently it isn't
L591[21:48:06] <Z0idburg> CORE WAR
L592[21:48:07] <Z0idburg> sorry
L593[21:48:20] <Z0idburg> https://www.corewars.org/
L594[21:48:44] <Z0idburg> been a long time since I've seen it
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L596[21:55:59] <Z0idburg> logan fixed it
L597[21:56:14] <Z0idburg> logan2611
L598[22:31:52] <logan2611> what did I fix now?
L599[23:14:43] <ZefTheFox> So I have a song lyric stuck in my head "white collars and black magic from the halls of congress to the pyramids of egypt"
L600[23:15:24] <Izaya> so this happened
L601[23:15:26] <Izaya> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ec2-graviton-performance
L602[23:20:15] <CompanionCube> tl;dr?
L603[23:20:41] <Izaya> fast for ARM, but not great for a lot of workloads
L604[23:21:00] <Izaya> beats x86 processors at some things but not most
L605[23:21:51] <CompanionCube> ah, so unsurprising mediocrity
L606[23:22:18] <Izaya> it's cheaper
L607[23:22:22] <Izaya> that's something
L608[23:22:43] <CompanionCube> how much though?
L609[23:29:17] <Izaya> lots cheaper per core once it gets above 4 cores
L610[23:29:50] <Izaya> 4 ARM cores is $0.102/h, 4 x86 cores is $0.1664/h
L611[23:30:22] <Izaya> 8 ARM is $0.204/h, 8 x86 is $0.3328 or more
L612[23:31:32] <Izaya> hrm
L613[23:31:40] <Izaya> cheaper for very parallel workloads, I s'pose
L614[23:32:06] <Izaya> I was expecting the 1C variant to be stupid cheap but the lowest memory amount is 2GB so that bumps prices up a lot I imagine
L615[23:41:38] <CompanionCube> Izaya: but very parallel workloads might fit on GPU better
L616[23:41:44] <Izaya> true enough
L617[23:42:37] <CompanionCube> and ARM doesn't usually mix with GPUs worth a damn so you can't save money on unused CPU
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