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L1[00:09:03] <MichiBot> CompanionCube REMINDER: tonk
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L3[01:59:50] <Dudblockman> I just realized... CS 2420 has actually been incredibly useful.
L4[02:01:00] <Dudblockman> I looked back on how I approached my OC based storage system and realized that I could make it far better by using some of the systems I have learned
L5[02:02:12] <Dudblockman> ~~finally some education that seems genuinely useful in my life~~
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L7[04:22:03] <Forecaster> https://www.amazon.com/Big-Mouth-Billy-Bass-Compatible/dp/B07657LKNZ/ref=?tag=drsynth-20
L8[04:22:06] <Forecaster> because why not
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L12[07:33:02] <Kodos> %tonk
L13[07:33:04] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Kodos, you were not able to beat CompanionCube's record of 13 hours, 55 minutes and 30 seconds this time.
L14[07:33:05] <MichiBot> 8 hours, 5 minutes and 14 seconds were wasted!
L15[07:33:17] <Kodos> RIP
L16[07:33:21] <Kodos> Anyone playing X4?
L17[07:33:53] <stephan48> mh. i might buy it
L18[07:34:18] <Kodos> Getting ready to get breakfast and settle in on a stream of it probably
L19[07:34:42] <stephan48> did not look much at it before
L20[07:34:53] <stephan48> but i am also thinking about playing the first games again
L21[07:35:21] <stephan48> i did not enjoy the flight controls much but i liked to just build stuff
L22[07:37:33] <Forecaster> I'm going to stream it sometime I think
L23[07:37:45] <Forecaster> didn't realize they released it already
L24[07:38:14] <stephan48> some one told me today
L25[07:38:28] <stephan48> but as that person is somewhere on the globe(unknown) and i am in europe
L26[07:38:44] <stephan48> today might be quite a fluid term.
L27[07:43:59] * Lizzy pokes Izaya about the kernel command line for KPTI
L28[07:44:22] <Kodos> Fore, let me know if/when you do, I'll come watch
L29[07:48:31] <gartral> %tonk
L30[07:48:32] <MichiBot> I'm sorry gartral, you were not able to beat CompanionCube's record of 13 hours, 55 minutes and 30 seconds this time.
L31[07:48:33] <MichiBot> 15 minutes and 28 seconds were wasted!
L32[07:49:37] <gartral> I donott understand what that is supposed to be/do <,<
L33[07:50:11] <Lizzian> the goal is to get the longest tonk
L34[07:50:46] <Lizzian> which is basicallly to get the most time between the last tonk and when you do the tonk
L35[07:50:54] <stephan48> i.e. now you need to wait 13h 55min and atleast 31 sec until you %tonk
L36[07:50:58] <stephan48> then you would "win"
L37[07:51:17] <Lizzian> of coursse if anyone fails to beat the tonk the time resets anyway
L38[07:51:21] <stephan48> the next person would need atleast the same amount of time diff
L39[07:51:25] <stephan48> and that
L40[07:52:23] <gartral> omg I could so cheat by making a timed trigger in my ZNC
L41[07:52:54] <Lizzian> you could, but since you've told us you might do it we would just make Michibot ignore you
L42[07:53:26] <stephan48> sure do it
L43[07:53:50] <gartral> hey just because I said I could, doesn't mean I will.
L44[07:54:21] <stephan48> nobody stops you(or anybody) besides your own guilt and shame - the basic law of cheating in multiplayer. and then theres retribution(blocking, shunning)
L45[07:54:29] <gartral> what's the point of the challenge if it's reduced to what is in essence a bot
L46[07:54:29] <Lizzian> yeah, but if we do start noticing that you do it like, 2-3 seconds after the max time it'll look suspicious
L47[07:56:47] <gartral> iono, maybe my asbie brain works differently... I get accused of cheating alot for mearly pointin out HOW to cheat.
L48[07:56:48] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L49[07:57:45] <stephan48> no worries, but pointing this out is usually the easiest deterent
L50[07:58:06] <Lizzian> i'm not accusing you, i'm just letting you know what what happen if you did
L51[07:58:35] <stephan48> and i am sure Mimiru can be persuaded to show you a test channel if you want to develop a PoC in a non abusing way
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L53[08:15:47] <Asm> hi
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L55[08:34:02] <Forecaster> %bye
L56[08:34:03] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Oh, well, bye I guess...
L57[09:03:40] <Izaya> Lizzy: pinged you with it almost 24 hours ago
L58[09:04:10] <Lizzy> you said you were gonna send it to me about 24 hours ago, i didn't see the actuall line at all
L59[09:04:25] <Lizzy> unless you posted it in a different channel
L60[09:04:41] <Lizzy> nvm found it
L61[09:05:17] <Lizzy> ah, i think you pinged me when i was streaming
L62[09:05:27] <Lizzy> thaanks
L63[09:16:46] <Inari> New business idea: an accelerated, immersive retro experience. You pay a subscription and start in a Retro year of your choosing. From that time game magazine articles are compiled into a monthly gaming magazine you get each month about the upcoming releases from that time, as well as reviews, and the like. Then you also get the games of your choosing as they release. But it's a bit accelerated as
L64[09:16:53] <Inari> said so you don't hve to wait ages between games you're interested in
L65[09:21:05] <Forecaster> what
L66[09:22:37] <Inari> Like, you get a game magazine about the games that were reviewed/previewed in game magazines in May, June, and July of 1995. And you pickt he ones that catch your interest, and you get those to play through and such. And then a month later you get anohter magazine for August, September, October 1995
L67[09:24:53] <Forecaster> what if you don't have the system
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L70[09:30:01] <Inari> You buy it, or theres some all-purpose system
L71[09:32:54] <Forecaster> relying on nostalgia to that degree may not be a great business model :P
L72[09:35:41] <Inari> Hm it'd be more for people who want to experience how things were during that game period, than people who experienced it
L73[09:53:13] <Lizzy> home time yay
L74[09:53:59] <Forecaster> yay
L75[09:54:04] <Forecaster> for me too soon
L76[10:18:54] <Lizzian> I had a productive day of "work" which consisted of mostly minecraft
L77[10:19:07] <Izaya> sounds like a good day
L78[10:19:42] <Lizzian> It was, I got a fair few bits of my IR/OC stuff done
L79[10:20:08] <Lizzian> All whilst connecting to an mc server over an ssh tunnel
L80[10:21:15] <Izaya> with compression on? :D
L81[10:21:55] <Lizzian> Can't actually remember, think I did
L82[10:22:23] <Lizzian> I'll check my laptop when I get home
L83[10:22:36] <Skye> Trains.
L84[10:22:42] <Skye> !
L85[10:22:43] <Skye> !!
L86[10:22:46] <Skye> Trains!!
L87[10:22:51] <Lizzian> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484789851422720010/518090821787189259/2018-11-30_15.38.05.png yes
L88[10:23:26] <Lizzian> Also that was me accidentally releasing the points too early
L89[10:27:53] <CheeseAlmighty> **dejavu**
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L91[10:31:19] <Lizzy> Yes
L92[10:32:00] <Forecaster> Yes
L93[10:32:19] <Izaya> Yes
L94[10:32:20] <Skye> Lizzy: automatic train system when
L95[10:32:25] <Izaya> argh
L96[10:32:43] <Lizzy> Soon ™
L97[10:33:11] <Lizzy> Skye: ^
L98[10:33:52] <Skye> Yes
L99[10:53:59] <Lizzy> Hmm, just thinking, the trains might not be that automated since I haven't worked out yet how to precisely control them but other aspects should be easy to automate
L100[11:03:33] <Skye> Lizzy: I have a few ideas?
L101[11:03:57] <Lizzy> Yeah?
L102[11:05:18] <Skye> Lizzy: calculate the brake force needed from the braking distance
L103[11:06:31] <Lizzy> That's one of the things that needs to be worked out, the other is acceleration and maintaining speed
L104[11:08:10] <Lizzy> That can be stage 2 or whatever. Think for now I'm just gonna focus on assisting people drivers (cause I'll likely need those systems for the automatic stuff as well)
L105[11:08:11] <Skye> Copy the speed and brake calculations
L106[11:14:17] <Kodos> What are you even using for those trains?
L107[11:17:45] <Lizzy> The ones in the screenshot? Immersive railroadiy
L108[11:19:52] <Kodos> Thought as much. So you can drift in those?
L109[11:24:06] <Lizzy> Apparently yes
L110[11:24:39] <Michiyo> lol
L111[11:35:09] <Lizzy> yay home
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L113[11:46:49] <Bob> http://tinyurl.com/yarr3v3m
L114[11:46:56] <Bob> Is this normal that i get that at every server launch
L115[11:47:01] <Bob> something is defenitely wrong
L116[11:47:05] <Bob> but all OC pc's work
L117[11:47:21] <Bob> http://tinyurl.com/yblmvlf2
L118[11:47:24] <Bob> also while i was scroling
L119[12:00:05] <gamerred> guys is it possible to update a table entree while the program is still running? like I want it to be like if I press a button on a screen it will raise,lower the number based on what one?
L120[12:01:54] <Lizzy> yes
L121[12:03:16] <gamerred> ah that means I need to learn that
L122[12:08:16] <payonel> @bob ignore the glyph warning
L123[12:08:35] <payonel> i ... probably should have made that a debug statement
L124[12:08:42] * Izaya aaaaaaaaas
L125[12:08:45] <payonel> as for https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125649403162656768/518120729582108681/unknown.png
L126[12:08:48] <payonel> check with vex
L127[12:09:30] <payonel> but i think thats from the optimized file saving code. are you on a traditional forge server?
L128[12:10:25] <Vexatos> Guess you can turn that down to info
L129[12:10:29] <Vexatos> it appears twice
L130[12:10:50] <Vexatos> SafeThreadPool.withPool
L131[12:14:36] <gamerred> btw on my txt file for my lua prog it has new lines and it keeps putting \n anyway to remove that and have it replace those with new lines?
L132[12:15:08] <Skye> Uhh... Example of the text file?
L133[12:16:31] <gamerred> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/oyizuyoguw
L134[12:16:48] <gamerred> which is causing my code to fail
L135[12:17:34] <gamerred> basically I want it to read from a external table
L136[12:18:00] <Skye> Uhhh
L137[12:18:06] <Skye> Can I see your code?
L138[12:19:33] <gamerred> I took that part of the code out since I couldnt get it working still got the txt file I want it to read from
L139[12:22:53] <gamerred> file I want oc to read from http://tinyurl.com/y87lyk8q
L140[12:23:14] <gamerred> see this file I want it to read from however I dont know how to read table from file do now string not table
L141[12:23:24] <gamerred> know*
L142[12:24:29] <Skye> Erm... I can't really help without seeing code.
L143[12:24:50] <McMaarten> Just asking, but is there any program created with an AI build-in
L144[12:25:07] <Izaya> define AI
L145[12:25:15] <Izaya> do you mean machine learning or..?
L146[12:25:20] <McMaarten> Yep
L147[12:25:23] <McMaarten> Machine learning
L148[12:25:37] <Izaya> I don't know of any
L149[12:25:43] <McMaarten> well
L150[12:25:59] <Izaya> the basic concepts of a neural network are pretty easy to implement but uh, good luck, I guess
L151[12:26:22] <McMaarten> I don't know how they work so that'll be hard then..?
L152[12:26:25] <gamerred> Well all I need to know is like how to read a certain line # of a txt file
L153[12:26:26] <payonel> @gamerred you want to read a table from a file?
L154[12:26:31] <gamerred> Yes
L155[12:26:41] <payonel> you have two options
L156[12:26:47] <Izaya> if you don't know how they work you probably shouldn't be using them :^)
L157[12:27:03] <McMaarten> True.. :D
L158[12:27:06] <payonel> load("return " .. data) or deserialize(data)
L159[12:27:17] <gamerred> I know them in other languages just not lua equivelent
L160[12:28:34] <payonel> @gamerred do you know what load() does?
L161[12:28:43] <gamerred> havent messed with that yet
L162[12:28:50] <payonel> it's a core lua method
L163[12:29:19] <payonel> %lua local f = load("a = 1 a = a + 3 print(a)") print(type(f), f())
L164[12:29:20] <MichiBot> 4 | function
L165[12:29:27] <Skye> Uh I'm not sure if you're be able to load the line directly without syntax errors
L166[12:29:57] <payonel> @gamerred load() is how we compile lua text into a lua function
L167[12:30:08] <payonel> s/lua text/lua syntax/
L168[12:30:09] <MichiBot> <payonel> @gamerred load() is how we compile lua syntax into a lua function
L169[12:30:51] <payonel> so if you have a file with a table, like: '{ "foobar", field = "data" }'
L170[12:31:02] <payonel> then you can load that as executable lua code
L171[12:31:34] <gamerred> still pass the file through filesystem or io or whatever correct?
L172[12:31:53] <payonel> load() is for text, not a file
L173[12:32:19] <payonel> so if you have a file, you would need to read its contents into a string
L174[12:33:53] <gamerred> yeah which thats adding \n at each line break thats my issue lol
L175[12:34:25] <payonel> lua has no problem with \n
L176[12:34:30] <payonel> it's just whitespace
L177[12:35:49] <gamerred> turns out I do got a backup after all of how I tried it. forgot I backed it up
L178[12:36:10] <McMaarten> Is there a program which allows remote shell? would be nice
L179[12:36:22] <payonel> yes, psh
L180[12:36:57] <McMaarten> 'psh'?
L181[12:37:12] <payonel> mmhmm
L182[12:37:14] <payonel> oppm install psh
L183[12:37:20] <McMaarten> I'll try
L184[12:37:37] <payonel> it's honestly a bit beta
L185[12:37:38] <payonel> but it works
L186[12:37:43] <McMaarten> nice
L187[12:37:44] <payonel> i'm still imporving it
L188[12:37:47] <gamerred> wait is this my issue for my file read I am doing srl.serialize(items) shouldnt it be unserialize since its a table syntax?
L189[12:38:40] <payonel> serialize turns a value to a string representation, unserialize turns that string representation back into a value
L190[12:39:22] <gamerred> yeah but since its reading from a txt file do I need to unserialize or normal serialize if its in the table layout?
L191[12:39:38] <payonel> @mcmaarten if you end up using psh from today's version, i strongly recommend you update again tomorrow
L192[12:39:47] <McMaarten> I will
L193[12:40:21] <McMaarten> I'm actually trying to make my own remote shell, but I'm just trying to get some inspiration.
L194[12:44:26] <payonel> @McMaarten the core, pivotal aspect of a remote shell should run on io
L195[12:44:36] <payonel> consider this function, which is how psh works: https://github.com/OpenPrograms/payonel-Programs/blob/master/psh/usr/lib/psh/client.lua#L27
L196[12:45:10] <McMaarten> interresting
L197[12:45:47] <gamerred> fixed it that was my issue
L198[12:46:07] <gamerred> from the txt file I just had to unserialize first
L199[12:50:02] <McMaarten> how does psh exactly work thou
L200[12:51:20] <payonel> the details: `psh --help` but in short, on a remote machine run the daemon: `rc pshd start` and on your local machine run `psh -f`
L201[12:51:32] <payonel> `psh -f` tells psh to connect to the 'f'irst remote it finds
L202[12:51:43] <payonel> if you know the remote address: psh <remote_address>
L203[12:52:01] <payonel> psh with no command, just like ssh, runs the shell on the remote machine
L204[12:52:12] <payonel> or you can pass a command: psh <remote_address> <cmd>
L205[12:52:48] <payonel> and you can have pshd start on boot by using `rc pshd enable`
L206[12:52:50] <Izaya> payonel: for my OS, any advantage to having the shell control I/O handles of each program it launches vs just giving the program the same I/O handle as the shell?
L207[12:53:08] <payonel> implement io.up
L208[12:53:13] <payonel> sorry, typo
L209[12:53:14] <payonel> io.dup
L210[12:53:23] <payonel> and give each proc a dup of its parent
L211[12:53:46] <McMaarten> Host won't respond for some reason
L212[12:53:49] <payonel> Izaya: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/lib/io.lua#L120
L213[12:54:54] <Izaya> payonel: neat, that'd work
L214[12:55:10] <McMaarten> Is it because I use wireless network cards
L215[12:55:17] <payonel> Izaya: btw, that io.dup has a tiny missing feature, the mt should include: __newindex = function(dfd, key, value) dfd.fd[key] = value
L216[12:55:33] <payonel> @McMaarten wireless should work fine/the same
L217[12:55:39] <payonel> youre running pshd on the remote host?
L218[12:55:46] <McMaarten> yep
L219[12:55:54] <McMaarten> pshd service is started on `computer 1`
L220[12:56:09] <McMaarten> and the command `psh -l` has been executed on `computer 2`
L221[12:56:15] <Izaya> should've used minitel /s
L222[12:56:16] <McMaarten> but no hosts respond
L223[12:57:40] <payonel> sec, work, brb
L224[12:59:22] <payonel> Izaya: oh quiet :P psh is coming along
L225[12:59:36] <payonel> i'm focusing on the sockets, they're really great....once i finalize the protocol
L226[13:00:03] <payonel> @McMaarten and on pc1, if you run `rc pshd status` it is happy?
L227[13:00:42] <McMaarten> output: `started`
L228[13:00:55] <payonel> and `psh -l` is just silent
L229[13:00:56] <payonel> ?
L230[13:01:04] <McMaarten> does `rc pshd start` need to be executed with BOTH client and host
L231[13:01:10] <payonel> no no
L232[13:01:15] <McMaarten> good
L233[13:01:17] <payonel> pshd is like sshd
L234[13:01:43] <payonel> you're on 1.7.3?
L235[13:01:43] <McMaarten> Just silence..
L236[13:01:47] <McMaarten> Yep!
L237[13:02:22] <payonel> well, lame.....ok, try this: rc pshd enable; reboot
L238[13:02:25] <payonel> on pc1
L239[13:02:41] <payonel> also do a force restart on pc2
L240[13:02:47] <payonel> then, on pc1, run dmesg
L241[13:02:53] <McMaarten> oh okay
L242[13:02:54] <payonel> and then on pc2, psh -l
L243[13:03:12] <Izaya> payonel: psh over minitel when
L244[13:03:13] <McMaarten> ok
L245[13:03:27] <McMaarten> It receives some connections
L246[13:03:28] <payonel> Izaya: psh and sockets are very very well separated
L247[13:03:40] <payonel> Izaya: i can very nicely test psh code by using mock sockets
L248[13:03:51] <payonel> Izaya: the socket api for client code is as simply as push and pull
L249[13:03:59] <Izaya> so I take it, when I tell it to use minitel sockets over your socket libraries
L250[13:03:59] <payonel> Izaya: so the psh code has no modem code in it
L251[13:04:23] <payonel> Izaya: you could provide a socket-proxy-wrapper for minitel connections
L252[13:04:34] <payonel> like a translation layer, to mock push and pull
L253[13:04:50] <payonel> in other words, you could completely fake payo sockets
L254[13:05:06] <McMaarten> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/sevenebuca
L255[13:05:08] <payonel> @McMaarten but `psh -l` is otherwise silent?
L256[13:05:08] <Izaya> sounds fairly easy and like my favorite sort of bodge job
L257[13:05:15] <McMaarten> yep
L258[13:05:27] <Izaya> also goddamnit I've ended up using the US spelling of favourite >.>
L259[13:05:28] <McMaarten> oh it gave me something
L260[13:05:34] <McMaarten> that took long
L261[13:05:47] <McMaarten> what do i do with the address
L262[13:06:00] <payonel> @mcmaarten haha, pc2 printed the result finally?
L263[13:06:07] <McMaarten> yep!
L264[13:06:23] <payonel> haha, well, after i finalize my socket lib i'll definitely look into that
L265[13:06:35] <payonel> @McMaarten that's the remote address you can connect to
L266[13:06:37] <payonel> sort of like an ip
L267[13:06:40] <McMaarten> Ah
L268[13:06:50] <McMaarten> What's the command for that
L269[13:06:52] <payonel> `psh -f ...` lets you specify part of an address
L270[13:07:01] <payonel> just `psh <remote_address>`
L271[13:07:15] <payonel> or use -f which lets you omit the address, or specify the start of an address
L272[13:07:39] <McMaarten> What is it **supposed** to do after running the `psh remoteaddressthingy`
L273[13:07:50] <McMaarten> because nothing is showing up
L274[13:07:55] <McMaarten> on pc 2
L275[13:07:57] <payonel> @McMaarten have you used ssh before?
L276[13:08:06] <McMaarten> no i feel dumb now :D
L277[13:08:18] <McMaarten> its secure shell right
L278[13:08:27] <payonel> @McMaarten psh is ssh without the s :)
L279[13:08:35] <McMaarten> what?
L280[13:08:42] <McMaarten> that simple... lmao
L281[13:08:51] <payonel> ssh is secure shell, yes, psh is payo shell :/
L282[13:09:01] <payonel> it's for running shells on a remote address
L283[13:09:05] <payonel> without any security
L284[13:09:10] <McMaarten> OOF
L285[13:09:15] <Izaya> do you have the protocol documented somewhere
L286[13:09:16] <payonel> unless you ran it on top of a secure socket layer
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L288[13:09:20] <payonel> which i haven't provided
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L290[13:09:28] <McMaarten> pc 2 is still not showing anything up
L291[13:09:29] <payonel> Izaya: i'm very close to having it official
L292[13:09:34] <Izaya> okey
L293[13:09:47] <payonel> Izaya: it is pretty simple
L294[13:09:50] * Izaya will probably just end up doing telnet-over-minitel for their OS
L295[13:09:50] <McMaarten> oh it said somnethin
L296[13:10:32] <McMaarten> I don't understand what it's doing rn
L297[13:10:35] <payonel> Izaya: 4 messages: connect, accept, packet, and close
L298[13:10:51] <McMaarten> OHHH
L299[13:10:55] <McMaarten> I UNDERSTAND!
L300[13:11:05] <payonel> anyways, i'll write something up for it once i finalize one of the states i'm reviewing
L301[13:11:14] <Izaya> alright
L302[13:11:15] <McMaarten> I'm going trough stuff of pc 1 on pc 2
L303[13:11:27] <McMaarten> that makes no sense but its so funny :D
L304[13:11:33] <payonel> @McMaarten makes no sense? :)
L305[13:11:45] <McMaarten> :)
L306[13:11:45] <McMaarten> i can even reboot it holy
L307[13:11:56] <payonel> @McMaarten so yeah...psh is very beta right now
L308[13:12:01] <McMaarten> i see
L309[13:12:08] <payonel> i have a lot of fixes locally, just ironing out a socket layer issue
L310[13:12:16] <Izaya> oh payo did I show you the poster I made
L311[13:12:21] <payonel> i dont think so
L312[13:12:48] <Izaya> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/master/img/minitel-ad.jpg
L313[13:13:04] <McMaarten> Minitel API?
L314[13:13:20] <McMaarten> cool
L315[13:13:50] <payonel> Izaya: cute
L316[13:14:01] <Izaya> was going for an 80s computer magazine ad look
L317[13:14:05] <payonel> Izaya: we should debate the merits of payo sockets to minitel :)
L318[13:14:08] <Izaya> I think it worked nicely
L319[13:14:20] <payonel> yeah, i really like your poster :)
L320[13:14:56] <McMaarten> Wait... What if we send the command `rc pshd stop` from pc 2 to pc 1
L321[13:15:00] <McMaarten> :)
L322[13:15:18] <payonel> @mcmaarten the purpose of pshd it accepting psh connections
L323[13:15:32] <payonel> so, the intent of stopping the daemon is to only stop accepting new connections
L324[13:15:37] <payonel> which is the same as stopping sshd irl
L325[13:15:38] <McMaarten> ai
L326[13:15:46] <Skye> So now payonel has sockets? Dun dun dun
L327[13:15:50] <payonel> so, the design is that nothing happens to your current connection
L328[13:16:12] <payonel> @mcmaarten however, i do believe in that beta version you have, there is a bug with stopping the daemon
L329[13:16:20] <Izaya> Skye: maybe they'll be interesting enough to add as another socket layer for minitel :D
L330[13:16:22] <payonel> but, yeah, that's fixed in my local dev commit
L331[13:16:22] <McMaarten> well...
L332[13:16:34] <McMaarten> I can't edit files yet
L333[13:16:42] <Skye> Oh god.
L334[13:16:43] <McMaarten> *Ikr its in beta*
L335[13:16:48] <payonel> @McMaarten psh works with io only
L336[13:16:56] <McMaarten> ah
L337[13:17:00] <payonel> any application that uses the gpu for direct rendering is not going to work
L338[13:17:13] <payonel> that said, any application COULD be rewritten to use io properly
L339[13:17:22] <McMaarten> nice
L340[13:17:30] <payonel> /bin/edit is NOT properly written with io
L341[13:17:37] <payonel> why? it was made before openos had vt100 support
L342[13:17:49] <payonel> however, i do pan to add a type of gpu forwarding on psh
L343[13:17:49] <McMaarten> is it going to be rewritten in next openos version
L344[13:17:53] <payonel> similar to -X with ssh
L345[13:18:09] <payonel> well, i've rewritten edit a few times :)
L346[13:18:14] <McMaarten> oof...
L347[13:18:21] <payonel> but it's never good enough to sneak into an update :)
L348[13:18:32] <Temia> I still want to go back and see about tackling extended GPUs, but that sounds like so much effort at this point .w.
L349[13:18:32] <McMaarten> yay :)
L350[13:19:08] <Izaya> payonel: when I write the editor for mine I'll make sure it doesn't use anything beyond I/O
L351[13:19:16] <Izaya> and then there'll be a good vi clone for OpenOS too :D
L352[13:19:23] <payonel> excellent :)
L353[13:19:28] <Skye> Temia: a lazy way to do it would be to have a graphics overlay with a transparent colour
L354[13:19:31] <McMaarten> When will OpenOS support multiple screens
L355[13:19:44] <Temia> Yeah
L356[13:19:47] <McMaarten> or am i just dumb and does it already support it
L357[13:19:51] <Skye> Izaya: skedi
L358[13:19:51] <McMaarten> :)
L359[13:19:59] <Izaya> Skye: sked works everywhere that runs lua
L360[13:20:05] <Skye> Lol
L361[13:20:17] <Temia> I was thinking either that or running it under the text layer, with black as transparent
L362[13:20:19] <payonel> @McMaarten openos core will (probably) never, to be honest. but i am currently working in the community software arena now
L363[13:20:32] <McMaarten> yay
L364[13:20:38] <McMaarten> let's hope it will
L365[13:20:40] <Izaya> soon: https://static.mastodon.technology/media_attachments/files/001/595/316/original/7d659483a554aa27.png
L366[13:20:41] <payonel> psh first, then scrolling and screen probably
L367[13:20:42] <Temia> Canvas resolution would probably be independent from screens with its own set of limitations
L368[13:21:24] <McMaarten> Are there going to be primary displays, in case it gets added?
L369[13:21:40] <McMaarten> I guess it will because of older programs not support multiple displays?
L370[13:22:12] <Skye> Temia: maybe allow selecting any colour to be transparwnt, or even tweak the API to have a transparent option?
L371[13:22:19] <Skye> It's lua, after all
L372[13:22:33] <Temia> Maybe.
L373[13:22:48] <McMaarten> Is there the possibility to run like C#, C++ or C on a OC computer
L374[13:22:54] <Bob> Payonel yes im on a trad forge server
L375[13:23:02] <Bob> foamfix + vanillafix + JVM args
L376[13:23:08] <Bob> 2768
L377[13:23:13] <payonel> @bob i dont remember your issue
L378[13:23:15] <payonel> what's wrong?
L379[13:24:49] <Bob> File warning or something
L380[13:24:55] <Bob> Did the server never started thing
L381[13:25:04] <Skye> @McMaarten not really, not efficiently, or without a different mod to add the low level code
L382[13:25:11] <payonel> oh, that was vex's work with file saving. ask hiim if it's bad
L383[13:25:49] <Bob> ?
L384[13:26:38] <Vexatos> well that means FMLServerStartingEvent wasn't fired ,-,
L385[13:26:51] <Vexatos> s ouh
L386[13:28:18] <Bob> Since it works, i think the new save system isnt compatible with the old detector, payoneo
L387[13:28:21] <Bob> payonel*
L388[13:28:38] <payonel> heh, payo neo
L389[13:28:41] <payonel> i like that
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L391[13:30:26] *** payoneo is now known as payonel
L392[13:31:13] <Vexatos> it means something tried to save files before FMLServerStartingEvent
L393[13:31:50] <Bob> ?
L394[13:33:57] <payonel> Izaya: this is the perfect E:D review for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=Fa0b2Kd2xhU
L395[13:33:57] <MichiBot> Elite Dangerous VR Is An Absolute Nightmare - This Is Why | length: 16m 1s | Likes: 54,010 Dislikes: 1,729 Views: 1,655,915 | by UpIsNotJump | Published On 22/2/2018
L396[13:34:08] <Izaya> Excellent channel.
L397[13:34:35] <payonel> i really want to enjoy E:D
L398[13:34:38] <payonel> but i'm terrified
L399[13:35:26] <Lizzy> i need to play E:D again
L400[13:51:31] <Lizzy> %oclogs
L401[13:51:32] <MichiBot> Lizzy: https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/
L402[14:30:48] <Bob> e
L403[14:31:02] <Bob> i need to convert io.read to arrays
L404[14:31:34] <Bob> ?
L405[14:32:19] <Bob> Since my lua level is under 0 out of 10...
L406[14:33:00] <Forecaster> you just need to grind a bunch it sounds like
L407[14:34:23] <Bob> Yep i do
L408[14:35:13] <Dudblockman> I was just thinking of something absurdly silly...
L409[14:35:16] <payonel> @bob huh?
L410[14:35:25] <payonel> you could use io.lines
L411[14:35:49] <payonel> or, local t = {} repeat local data = io.read() table.insert(t, data) until not data
L412[14:35:59] <payonel> i'm not sure what you're trying to do though
L413[14:36:03] <Bob> any good lua guide
L414[14:36:13] <payonel> the book, or pil
L415[14:36:26] <Bob> pil ?
L416[14:36:28] <Dudblockman> Dunno if its capable via automation, but using a drone to rip a server out of the rack, fly it to another rack, jam it in, and then send it the wake message over the network.
L417[14:36:31] <Izaya> %pil
L418[14:36:33] <MichiBot> Izaya: https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html#P1
L419[14:36:52] <Dudblockman> It just sounds so... stupid
L420[14:36:54] <Dudblockman> I love it
L421[14:37:04] <Izaya> I imagine it'd work if you could get the drone above the rack
L422[14:37:14] <Izaya> they can't really suck from a specified direction beyond up/down last I heard
L423[14:37:25] <Bob> You should be capable
L424[14:37:30] <Dudblockman> Or a robot I guess
L425[14:37:38] <Dudblockman> But it just sounds absurdly silly
L426[14:37:45] <Bob> *pipes*
L427[14:37:49] <Dudblockman> Just to transplant a server like that
L428[14:38:00] <payonel> @Dudblockman i haven't looked at the inventory interface of racks
L429[14:38:10] <Izaya> I've heard a story where they had a server with an insane uptime
L430[14:38:12] <payonel> test it first with an inventory controller on a robot next to a rack
L431[14:38:12] <Izaya> like 4 years
L432[14:38:17] <payonel> see what you see, see what you can remove
L433[14:38:19] <Izaya> and they wanted to keep it, but they were moving building
L434[14:38:20] <Dudblockman> It popped into my head because I was thinking about a theoretical gray goo bot
L435[14:38:41] <Dudblockman> And I was thinking about how it would be nice to have a central commander
L436[14:38:47] <Izaya> so they packed up the UPS and the server, got in a taxi, drove across town and hooked it up
L437[14:38:56] <Dudblockman> Because decentralized networks are... more annoying
L438[14:39:04] <Dudblockman> Easier to have a 'master'
L439[14:39:33] <Dudblockman> And then I thought about how the central master would be left behind if the swarm moved on
L440[14:39:45] <Dudblockman> And then I thought "why not pick up the master and move it"
L441[14:39:55] <Izaya> so uh
L442[14:39:59] <Izaya> why not make the master a drone
L443[14:40:09] <Bob> o
L444[14:40:20] <Dudblockman> And I also humored myself at the thought of trying to power the server via carpeted capacitors
L445[14:40:37] <Dudblockman> Abducting all the local sheep and cats via drones with the lasso upgrade
L446[14:40:47] <Bob> using sheep wool an steam turbine fuel ?
L447[14:40:50] <Dudblockman> YOU WILL FEED THE SWARM
L448[14:41:52] <Dudblockman> Just this entire skynet picture I have in my head is hilarious
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L450[14:42:34] <Dudblockman> Robots chewing the world up
L451[14:42:43] <Dudblockman> Drones abducting the local wildlife
L452[14:42:57] <Dudblockman> Autocrafting more robots and drones
L453[14:43:55] <Dudblockman> The central skynet server commanding the swarm
L454[14:45:58] <Dudblockman> And this all started because I was thinking about my drone-based storage and autocrafting system concept
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L456[14:50:16] <Skye> Izaya made a drone swram
L457[14:50:20] <Skye> it crashed a server
L458[14:50:23] <Izaya> ^
L459[14:50:25] <Izaya> bad idea
L460[14:50:35] <AmandaC> Wait, really?
L461[14:50:42] <Skye> first BTM
L462[14:50:48] <AmandaC> How'd that happen?
L463[14:51:03] <Skye> they all followed him and went into a single block
L464[14:51:05] <Lizzy> "more? More!" probably
L465[14:52:08] <payonel> @McMaarten still using psh?
L466[14:52:13] <payonel> any other issues?
L467[15:00:01] <Compu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDYXgsMzwSI
L468[15:00:01] <MichiBot> christmas isn't real | length: 2m 17s | Likes: 55,996 Dislikes: 1,900 Views: 677,147 | by bill wurtz | Published On 27/11/2018
L469[15:03:26] <payonel> %logs
L470[15:03:26] <MichiBot> payonel: https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/
L471[15:04:37] <payonel> Mimiru: is there a raw version of the log?
L472[15:05:39] <Lizzian> you could do the download all option
L473[15:06:20] <payonel> oh hmm
L474[15:19:39] <payonel> LUA
L475[15:19:39] <MichiBot> Lua*
L476[15:21:36] <Michiyo> @Lizzian the download all just dumps out the mysql
L477[15:21:41] <Michiyo> payonel, yes but it's a per log thing
L478[15:21:49] <Michiyo> (The download all will be fixed... one day)
L479[15:21:55] <Lizzian> ah
L480[15:23:06] <Michiyo> theres https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/view?chan=oc&plain=true&log=2018-11-30.log though.. that still has an html tag that replaced "Corded" with the discord logo
L481[15:23:24] <Michiyo> and also makes links clickable.. hmm
L482[15:24:16] <Michiyo> oh.. https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/view?chan=oc&plain=true&nolinks=true&log=2018-11-30.log
L483[15:25:21] <Michiyo> there, moved Discord image thing out of plain
L484[15:25:52] <payonel> ok nice
L485[15:25:55] <payonel> thanks Michiyo
L486[15:26:15] <Michiyo> np
L487[15:26:23] <Michiyo> one day the download all link will work again
L488[15:26:45] <Michiyo> it's just really slow with the move to the DB instead of flat files..
L489[15:27:05] <payonel> i only care for latest (current day or last 24h)
L490[15:27:25] <payonel> so day by day, in raw form
L491[15:27:54] <Michiyo> well, easy enough with the above link, just change the date
L492[15:27:55] <Michiyo> :P
L493[15:28:00] <payonel> aye
L494[15:57:16] <Lizzy> https://youtu.be/cObM9oDF6S0 more things
L495[15:57:17] <MichiBot> [OpenComputers] Immersive Signal Block probably | length: 37s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 0 | by Elizabeth | Published On 30/11/2018
L496[15:58:07] <Lizzian> might want to wait an hour or so cause of shit quality, thanks youtube
L497[15:59:04] <Lizzian> and yes, i did put Gas Gas Gas on just for that video but now i'm listening to it anyway lol
L498[16:24:18] <Skye> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4q3i5aw6XQ @Lizzian, maybe you should try to recreate parts of this video? :P
L499[16:24:18] <MichiBot> Controlling Trains - Network Rail engineering education (3 of 15) | length: 11m 33s | Likes: 2,519 Dislikes: 233 Views: 1,110,864 | by Network Rail | Published On 27/3/2012
L500[16:24:55] <Lizzy> you've posted that before, i think
L501[16:26:07] <Skye> Lizzy, you could do the signal colours bit.
L502[16:27:48] <Lizzy> The eventual plan will be a 4 aspect signal similar to the ones in use along the london-southend line near me. that's proceed, advanced caution, caution and stop
L503[16:28:03] <Lizzy> i think that's their 'official' names
L504[16:28:47] <Lizzy> also later iterations (maybe tomorrow) will actually be able to work out multiple consecutive blocks rather than just one on a loop
L505[16:29:55] <Skye> it's danger, not stop
L506[16:30:04] <Skye> :P
L507[16:30:10] <Skye> also that's all UK signalling
L508[16:30:25] <Skye> clear, prelimary caution, caution, danger
L509[16:30:32] <Lizzy> ah, i haven't been anywhere other than my local area so i didn't kow
L510[16:49:53] <stephan48> %tonk
L511[16:49:55] <MichiBot> I'm sorry stephan48, you were not able to beat CompanionCube's record of 13 hours, 55 minutes and 30 seconds this time.
L512[16:49:56] <MichiBot> 9 hours, 1 minute and 23 seconds were wasted!
L513[16:54:52] <AmandaC> %choose drugs or halucinagenics
L514[16:54:53] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Why not both?
L515[16:54:59] <stephan48> hahaha
L516[16:55:14] <AmandaC> Right, halucinate it is
L517[16:55:41] * AmandaC cuddles up in her nook of the ceiling, starts reading some
L518[16:56:30] <AmandaC> %roll 1d2
L519[16:56:30] <MichiBot> AmandaC: [2]
L520[16:56:34] <AmandaC> sounds good
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L525[17:51:37] <Z0idburg> Huh
L526[17:51:43] <Z0idburg> Today I learned of the term Snowflake
L527[17:51:56] <Z0idburg> dafuq is that shit
L528[17:52:17] <Z0idburg> I shouldn't be 30 and already concerned in fear for the future generations
L529[17:52:22] <Z0idburg> that's just messed up
L530[17:52:44] <Z0idburg> that's something that's supposed to happen when you're old enough to have a cane
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L532[17:54:05] <Izaya> as in special snowflake?
L533[17:54:52] <Z0idburg> yes
L534[17:55:40] <MGR> You just learned that?
L535[17:55:41] <MGR> ?
L536[17:56:31] <Z0idburg> apparently
L537[17:56:36] <Z0idburg> I never heard that term before
L538[17:56:48] <Z0idburg> all this time I've been calling them emotionally retarded
L539[17:56:54] <Izaya> https://0x0.st/sGZy.jpg
L540[17:56:57] <Izaya> kek that works too
L541[17:57:14] <Z0idburg> OH HEY it's whats her face
L542[17:57:24] <Z0idburg> from SG0
L543[17:57:31] <Z0idburg> rigght?
L544[17:57:41] <Izaya> and plain S;G
L545[17:58:06] <Izaya> kurisu a qt
L546[17:58:20] <Izaya> iunno I thought it was more interesting than that fucking pikachu
L547[17:58:52] <Z0idburg> Oh it looks more like the other girl that looks like kurisu
L548[17:58:55] <Z0idburg> in SG0
L549[17:59:03] <Z0idburg> but I guess I haven't seen either of em for a while
L550[17:59:05] <Skye> Wut
L551[17:59:19] <Z0idburg> so I thought SG0 was going to be all about how to save Kurisu then it ended and still no Kurisu
L552[17:59:20] <Z0idburg> lol
L553[17:59:28] <Z0idburg> I was like aww man
L554[17:59:44] <Z0idburg> ohi skye
L555[17:59:55] <Izaya> someone didn't watch after the credits
L556[18:00:03] <Z0idburg> I didnt
L557[18:02:56] <Kleadron> http://tinyurl.com/y9u82a4s
L558[18:04:53] <Z0idburg> NOOOOOOOO
L559[18:05:02] <Z0idburg> get it away get it awaaaaaaaay
L560[18:05:11] <Izaya> >Pentium 4
L561[18:05:12] <Z0idburg> That logo is going to give me nightmares
L562[18:05:14] <Izaya> feels warm man
L563[18:05:44] <Z0idburg> Needs to be Pentium 5
L564[18:05:49] <Z0idburg> XD lolololol
L565[18:06:00] <Z0idburg> Well that was a joke but I just realized
L566[18:06:08] <Z0idburg> didnt they make a "pentium" a few years back?
L567[18:06:13] <Z0idburg> that was basically like the semprons of inte
L568[18:06:15] <Z0idburg> intel*
L569[18:06:48] <Izaya> I mean, you've been able to get pentium-branded chips for like 10 years
L570[18:06:51] <Izaya> low-end parts
L571[18:07:10] <Izaya> G3258 was actually pretty nice, could OC to like 4.5Ghz
L572[18:07:18] <Z0idburg> heh
L573[18:07:27] <Z0idburg> I need a new 486 motherboard
L574[18:07:30] <Z0idburg> I've been very sad
L575[18:07:41] <Z0idburg> Even a 386 would be ok but a 486 runs FreeBSD
L576[18:13:24] <Z0idburg> Izaya you've maintained a lot of memory from the older hardware days, lots of things I've forgotten
L577[18:13:58] <Z0idburg> did any 486 motherboards have any sort of case standard?
L578[18:14:05] <Z0idburg> because some of them don't
L579[18:14:37] <Izaya> That was pre-ATX
L580[18:14:39] <Izaya> probably AT?
L581[18:14:51] <Z0idburg> yes AT
L582[18:15:03] <Z0idburg> however, not all 486 motherboards had the same IO port style
L583[18:15:08] <Z0idburg> some of them had risers
L584[18:15:12] <Z0idburg> and the cards were sideways
L585[18:15:21] <Z0idburg> and I'm sure the position of those cards isn't standard at all
L586[18:15:34] <Z0idburg> then, some hjad many more IO slots than others
L587[18:15:40] <Z0idburg> like a LOT more than normal
L588[18:15:46] <Z0idburg> more than you had IRQs for
L589[18:15:49] <Izaya> More than 7?
L590[18:16:07] <Skye> Baby AT
L591[18:16:08] <Izaya> Baby AT may also be relevant
L592[18:16:14] * Izaya high-fives Skye
L593[18:16:17] <Z0idburg> yes I think I saw one with 8 ISA 16 bit if you include the what you call it port that hercules video cards used
L594[18:16:19] <Z0idburg> V something
L595[18:16:28] <Izaya> VESA
L596[18:16:32] <Z0idburg> no
L597[18:16:52] <Izaya> VLB?
L598[18:17:58] <Z0idburg> maybe
L599[18:18:02] <Z0idburg> https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/163371025292_/Vintage-486-Motherboard-PCCHIPS-CHIP-11-with-CPU.jpg
L600[18:18:08] <Z0idburg> the bottom 3 ports
L601[18:18:43] <Izaya> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Vlb.jpg
L602[18:18:50] <Z0idburg> yes
L603[18:19:01] <Izaya> VESA Local Bus, or VLB
L604[18:19:29] <Z0idburg> oh thats what vlb was so then yes
L605[18:19:31] <Z0idburg> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7ywAAOSwhZ5bxSR1/s-l1600.jpg
L606[18:19:33] <Z0idburg> also
L607[18:19:36] <Z0idburg> 8 port mobo
L608[18:19:57] <Izaya> that looks like a baby AT board
L609[18:20:01] <Z0idburg> ...
L610[18:20:04] <Z0idburg> it looks like a 386 board
L611[18:20:20] <Z0idburg> itis not ZIF and has a coprocessor socket
L612[18:20:21] * Izaya has never paid much attention
L613[18:20:33] <Z0idburg> I don't remember any non ZIF 486s but can be wrong
L614[18:20:58] <Izaya> I know full-size ATX allows for 7 slots so there's that
L615[18:21:24] <Z0idburg> hm
L616[18:21:37] <Z0idburg> I have a baby AT board lying around
L617[18:21:40] <Z0idburg> if thats the case
L618[18:21:45] <Z0idburg> it's pretty small
L619[18:21:58] <Z0idburg> also it has a type of memory I could not identify
L620[18:22:00] <Z0idburg> that is older than EDO
L621[18:22:03] <Z0idburg> but isn't DIP
L622[18:22:09] <Z0idburg> I don't remember them at all
L623[18:22:15] <Skye> SIMM?
L624[18:22:22] <Skye> 30 pin SIMM?
L625[18:22:26] <Z0idburg> maybe, I can count the pins its so -- yes
L626[18:22:28] <Z0idburg> about that much
L627[18:22:42] <Skye> That's cheap on ebay
L628[18:22:43] <Skye> It's like
L629[18:22:52] <Skye> Soldering the DIP chips to a card
L630[18:22:56] <Skye> With minimal routing
L631[18:23:02] <Skye> There is no logic
L632[18:23:04] <Z0idburg> my other 486 board that isnt working has EDO which is the memory I always remembered
L633[18:23:08] <Z0idburg> yeah
L634[18:23:20] <Skye> You'd need at least 4 slots of the same size
L635[18:23:25] <Skye> Due to 32 bit bus
L636[18:23:27] <Z0idburg> oh really
L637[18:23:31] <Z0idburg> yeah that makes sense
L638[18:23:44] <Skye> It has got 8 slots... So...
L639[18:24:04] <Z0idburg> but I was hoping to get a new 486 motherboard that I can get a case for
L640[18:24:12] <Z0idburg> and put it together
L641[18:24:41] <Z0idburg> it makes me wonder if ATX cases are backwards compatible with AT
L642[18:24:50] <Z0idburg> in terms of screw points
L643[18:24:57] <Z0idburg> and IO
L644[18:25:39] <Z0idburg> I suppose I could lasercut / 3D print or CNC my own case?
L645[18:25:52] <Z0idburg> I have a friend with a lasercutter
L646[18:26:05] <Z0idburg> actually I have acces sto all three of those
L647[18:26:24] <Z0idburg> 3D printing one would be a bit weird
L648[18:26:31] <Z0idburg> and the laser cant cut metal
L649[18:27:19] <Z0idburg> I could lasercut fiberglass but fiberglass is brittle I thought
L650[18:27:52] <Izaya> acrylic?
L651[18:28:01] <Z0idburg> Never used that
L652[18:28:09] <Z0idburg> how does that stuff work?
L653[18:29:20] <Skye> You can heat it to bend it.
L654[18:29:32] <Skye> You can lasercut it.
L655[18:29:46] <Skye> It's pretty strong
L656[18:29:50] <Z0idburg> hm
L657[18:29:52] <Skye> It's in many different colours
L658[18:29:57] <Z0idburg> is that like plexi/lexan?
L659[18:29:59] <Izaya> Not overly brittle, can be clear
L660[18:30:22] <Izaya> Easy enough to cut with a saw, too
L661[18:30:26] <Z0idburg> huh
L662[18:30:34] <Z0idburg> hazaedous like ceramic?
L663[18:30:41] <Izaya> I don't think so.
L664[18:30:55] <Izaya> If you heated your saw it'd cauterize the cut anyway :^)
L665[18:31:10] <Skye> If schools can use it... Then it's unlikely to be too bad.
L666[18:31:22] <Z0idburg> lol
L667[18:31:27] <Z0idburg> ceramic is nasty
L668[18:31:48] <Skye> It's a type of plastic
L669[18:31:52] <Izaya> design and tech at school is where I was using it so it can't be that bad
L670[18:32:12] <Z0idburg> acrylic?
L671[18:32:48] <Z0idburg> I have a resparator for cutting ceramic ?
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L674[18:33:34] <Izaya> smiling_face_with_open_mouth_and_smiling_eyes indeed
L675[18:33:45] <Z0idburg> lol
L676[18:33:47] <Skye> Acrylic is safe enough
L677[18:33:52] <Z0idburg> cool
L678[18:34:04] <Izaya> there was a big thing here a while back
L679[18:34:19] <Izaya> about how people were getting like, lung cancer or whatever, from cutting concrete without watering it down
L680[18:34:48] <Izaya> not good for you
L681[18:35:03] <Z0idburg> they used to put a lot of other stuff in concrete and most of those people work with it every single day
L682[18:35:22] <Z0idburg> it's like coal minig
L683[18:35:24] <Z0idburg> mining*
L684[18:35:34] <Z0idburg> you'll be fine if you've been down there once
L685[18:35:39] <Z0idburg> probably
L686[18:35:52] <Izaya> if you keep it covered in water it stops most of the dust but that wasn't happening
L687[18:35:52] <Z0idburg> but you sure as hell don't want to be exposed to it on a daily basis
L688[18:36:42] <Z0idburg> I always mized my cement by hand but the trick is to do it outdoors
L689[18:36:53] <Z0idburg> and to not make a dusty mess if you can help it
L690[18:36:59] <Z0idburg> but a little dust flies and you'll be fine
L691[18:37:32] <Z0idburg> you want an area full of ventilation because even if you don't get a disease from it it's not fun to get anything in your lungs no matter what it is
L692[18:37:41] <Z0idburg> like for example sawdust
L693[18:38:24] <Z0idburg> Izaya I think it's more dangerous when I see people carry around pressure treated wood that's still wet with their bare hands
L694[18:38:36] <Z0idburg> that stuff wil lmake you really fucking sick
L695[18:40:13] <Z0idburg> When it dries it's perfectly safe, and I was really mad when some dumbass mother made our town tear down the wooden playground because her kid got a splinter
L696[18:40:30] <Z0idburg> I've probably gotten a lot deper larger splinters than any of her kids combined from that playground
L697[18:40:38] <Z0idburg> big deal
L698[18:42:35] <Z0idburg> on the other hand Izaya I redid my entire foundation pointing and even rebuilt parts of my entire brick and stone foundation to my house with mortar, which can be concrete based. That stuff is tons of fun
L699[18:43:46] <Skye> Goodnight
L700[18:44:05] <Z0idburg> skye you go to bed so early!
L701[18:44:20] <Skye> Timezones
L702[18:44:27] <Skye> It's 1am here roughly
L703[18:44:29] <Z0idburg> I tease really, I know you'r ein another timezone
L704[18:47:52] <Izaya> that stuff would all be really interesting but I'm not in a position to do it right now I'm afraid
L705[18:49:30] <Z0idburg> no?
L706[18:50:18] <Izaya> give it a few years and I'll be able to do stuff more interesting than work on computers and motorcycles I imagine
L707[18:50:32] <Izaya> tfw not living out in the bush any more
L708[18:54:59] <Z0idburg> OMG WTF progressive
L709[18:55:09] <Z0idburg> these frigging automated payment systems right?
L710[18:55:25] <Z0idburg> YOU CAN HEAR RECORDED TYPING IN THE BACKGROUND WHEN YOU ANSWER ITS QUESTIONS
L711[18:55:34] <Z0idburg> it's a stupid software program
L712[18:55:36] <Z0idburg> ...
L713[18:55:54] <MGR> The typing is extremely annoying
L714[18:56:40] <Z0idburg> you've dealt withit too?
L715[18:57:02] <Z0idburg> some places they play this like, 1970s / 1960s style computer synth beeps
L716[18:57:04] <Z0idburg> instead
L717[18:57:08] <Z0idburg> it's weird af
L718[18:58:49] <Z0idburg> wtf
L719[18:58:54] <Z0idburg> cat is eating the cast iron frying pan
L720[18:59:26] <MGR> I've heard the typing
L721[19:00:21] <Z0idburg> welp $150 later
L722[19:00:35] <Z0idburg> I feel like I paid $150 for hearing a robot type
L723[19:16:46] <AmandaC> @Z0idburg probably similar lines of thnking as the artifical "uhm" and "er..."s added by the version of Duplex they showed off at I/O
L724[19:20:44] <Z0idburg> bhmm
L725[19:21:09] <Z0idburg> You know I also just noticed GMail tried to type for me while I was typing
L726[19:21:11] <Z0idburg> wtf is this crap
L727[19:21:20] <Z0idburg> I'm glad it asked me if I wanted it shut off
L728[19:21:33] <Z0idburg> It's almost like people are just lazy now
L729[19:21:38] <Z0idburg> and can't think for themselves
L730[19:21:59] <Izaya> Something like that.
L731[19:22:05] <Izaya> though
L732[19:22:11] <Izaya> >not using a real mail client
L733[19:22:15] <AmandaC> IT's almost like the human condition is to type the same set of things over and over, in a way that a sufficently advanced algroythem can replicate it in a mostly-natural looking way.
L734[19:22:22] <Z0idburg> Yes it's interesting, it's really cool it can do that, just stop pushing your values onto my shit
L735[19:22:23] <Z0idburg> lol
L736[19:22:26] <Izaya> I mean surely gmail being slower than molasses is encouragement
L737[19:23:22] <AmandaC> .markov S3
L738[19:23:29] <AmandaC> What was ocdoc's command char again?
L739[19:23:35] <Izaya> ~
L740[19:23:41] <AmandaC> ~markov S3
L741[19:23:43] <ocdoc> I need to finish it all manually installed forge XD
L742[19:23:57] <AmandaC> Drop the last two tokens, and that'd work.
L743[19:24:08] <Z0idburg> When I was a kid I remember when things seemed so new, new things that you never saw before in technology etc, everything was so cool. Did I want it? Yes, but it was my choice, of course, most of it I could never have then, but I I admired that it was something I could do if I wanted instead of an everyday adaptation
L744[19:24:59] <Z0idburg> I feel like I am being forced to adapt to the changes of the world every day. It's okay to have a few, but there are plenty of things like cell phones.. poeple don't understand why I can't use them effectively like other people can
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L746[19:26:13] <Z0idburg> It's not like I expected the world to be the same today when it was the mid 90s
L747[19:26:37] <Z0idburg> but I didn't expect everyone to be expected to be part of it
L748[19:27:08] <AmandaC> You clearly had a more optimistic idea of humans than I did when I was younger.
L749[19:27:16] <Z0idburg> In the 90s things were very different. You weren't even expected to have a computer.
L750[19:27:21] <Z0idburg> Oh?
L751[19:27:25] <AmandaC> It's always been clear to me that the state of humans is "You fit in, or you're an outcast"
L752[19:27:51] <Z0idburg> Well it is highly possible that part of this is due to Maine being on the edge of the bandwagon
L753[19:27:51] <AmandaC> Adapt or die (socially)
L754[19:27:58] <Z0idburg> we tend to adopt things much more slowly
L755[19:28:19] <Z0idburg> and part of that is not geographical, but that most of us are senior citizens
L756[19:30:47] <Z0idburg> AmandaC: That's the thing, I do feel like quite an outcast. Though I don't think it hinders my survival
L757[19:31:20] <Z0idburg> I don't actually go around people telling them that they're wrong for the way they live
L758[19:31:38] <Z0idburg> however, I do honk at people and yell at them to put their fucking phone away at intersections
L759[19:32:01] <AmandaC> anyway, back to cube crack with me
L760[19:32:04] <Izaya> That's endangering other people rather than just themselves
L761[19:32:16] <Z0idburg> ?
L762[19:33:24] <Izaya> Driving while using a phone is endangering other people on the road
L763[19:33:35] <Z0idburg> yes
L764[19:33:52] <Z0idburg> but I don't even like it when people stop at an intersection and pull out their phone because they're at a red light
L765[19:34:03] <Z0idburg> that's WHY it takes 5 minutes to get on the highway onramp from 300 feet away
L766[19:34:16] <Z0idburg> because the light goes green and it takes 5 frigging red lights to get on
L767[19:34:28] <Z0idburg> and only a few cars go through
L768[19:34:54] <Z0idburg> I'm actually thinking of stopping from yelling at these people
L769[19:35:02] <Z0idburg> and installing a camera in my car
L770[19:35:22] <Izaya> hm
L771[19:35:22] <Z0idburg> so that when I see somebody do that, I can honk, then take a picture
L772[19:35:34] <Z0idburg> then upload it to facebook or something
L773[19:35:36] <Izaya> the flat tuning of these headphones makes these songs sound different
L774[19:35:40] <Z0idburg> and make a list of idiots
L775[19:36:02] <Z0idburg> nah, facebook is dumb
L776[19:36:10] <Z0idburg> but it would be useful since almost everyone uses facebook anyways
L777[19:39:52] <Z0idburg> Izaya: http://i.imgur.com/swNlDoE.jpg
L778[19:40:06] <Z0idburg> Look accurate?
L779[19:40:18] <Izaya> somewhat
L780[19:40:37] <Izaya> https://v.redd.it/ej7lo6wx9p801
L781[19:41:43] <Z0idburg> dahek
L782[19:42:30] <Izaya> oh did you see the australian space program
L783[19:43:00] <Izaya> https://cdn2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/wsg/image/1460/49/1460497846254.webm
L784[19:43:36] <Z0idburg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEDkQL52adc
L785[19:43:36] <MichiBot> Deer Fight | length: 1m 40s | Likes: 477 Dislikes: 27 Views: 140,807 | by G4ViralVideos | Published On 4/4/2013
L786[19:43:37] <Z0idburg> ?
L787[19:44:39] <Z0idburg> I feel like he should have held onto that plane
L788[19:44:50] <Izaya> and as far as wildlife goes...
L789[19:44:52] <Izaya> https://cdn2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/wsg/image/1517/52/1517524991313.webm
L790[19:45:22] <Z0idburg> lol wat
L791[19:46:20] <Z0idburg> I think my next paycheck I'm going to dump like $800 into my credit card
L792[20:04:57] <Lizzy> %remindme 8h attach metal to desk to increase structual integrity
L793[20:04:58] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "attach metal to desk to increase structual integrity" at 12/01/2018 04:04:57 AM
L794[20:24:06] <Z0idburg> I need a chord progression
L795[20:30:56] <Z0idburg> ok
L796[20:30:57] <Z0idburg> https://clyp.it/af3h3qoy
L797[20:30:59] <Z0idburg> testing
L798[20:31:25] <Mimiru> %tonk
L799[20:31:25] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Mimiru, you were not able to beat CompanionCube's record of 13 hours, 55 minutes and 30 seconds this time.
L800[20:31:26] <MichiBot> 3 hours, 41 minutes and 30 seconds were wasted!
L801[20:31:29] <Mimiru> shity
L802[20:31:32] <Mimiru> -y
L803[20:31:37] <Z0idburg> I know it does sound shitty
L804[20:31:48] <Z0idburg> I should come up with a different chord progression
L805[20:32:19] <Izaya> oh, S3, wanna see something neat?
L806[20:32:25] <Z0idburg> whats that
L807[20:32:32] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/img/xmpp-qr.png
L808[20:32:38] <Z0idburg> uh
L809[20:32:43] <Z0idburg> is that your eeprom for OC?
L810[20:32:44] <Z0idburg> ?
L811[20:32:47] <Z0idburg> minitel?
L812[20:32:49] <Z0idburg> microtel*
L813[20:32:58] <Izaya> Conversations added a feature that lets you add a contact (including their OMEMO fingerprints) by scanning a QR code
L814[20:33:11] <Z0idburg> oh?
L815[20:33:17] <Z0idburg> what is conversations?
L816[20:33:26] <Izaya> XMPP client for Android
L817[20:33:34] <Z0idburg> OH NO XMPP
L818[20:33:35] <Z0idburg> ewwwww
L819[20:33:41] <Izaya> hey man
L820[20:33:44] <Z0idburg> I was excited for a second
L821[20:33:50] <Izaya> the protocol is messy but
L822[20:34:04] <Izaya> it's the most practical secure IM setup currently available
L823[20:34:09] <Izaya> https://zxing.org/w/decode?u=https%3A%2F%2Fshadowkat.net%2Fimg%2Fxmpp-qr.png
L824[22:10:10] <Z0idburg> I dunno
L825[22:10:20] <Z0idburg> what about diversadial
L826[22:10:21] <Z0idburg> ?
L827[22:13:22] <Izaya> I'll admit, that's probably not monitored by Five Eyes countries
L828[22:13:30] <Izaya> not for online communication, anyway
L829[22:13:44] <Izaya> unless they decode modem tones, which I suppose wouldn't be that much of a stretch
L830[22:14:40] <Z0idburg> heh
L831[22:15:25] <Z0idburg> then again
L832[22:16:50] <Z0idburg> you can use them to spoof both aller ID string and number
L833[22:17:45] <Z0idburg> I can't give details, but I was looking at some trouble somebody was having with their phone line today
L834[22:18:26] <Z0idburg> and it turns out that they were receiving anonyous calls even when their line rejects them
L835[22:19:07] <Z0idburg> well what was happening is that the asshats calling him were spoofing their actual caller ID string as "anonymus caller" so that anonymous call blocking wouldn't catch it.
L836[22:25:11] <Izaya> neat
L837[22:28:31] <Izaya> still
L838[22:28:38] <Izaya> they don't use caller ID for monitoring
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L840[23:55:22] <AmandaC> Psi is an... Interesting magic mod
L841[23:55:46] <AmandaC> Guess I'll sleep instead of continuing to toy with it
L842[23:55:59] <AmandaC> Night nerds
L843[23:56:44] <Izaya> o7
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