L1[00:11:34] <Mimiru> everything
L2[00:13:27] <payonel> heh
L3[00:19:40] <payonel> Mimiru: do you have a
specific?
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L6[01:00:27] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L7[01:00:28] <MichiBot> CompanionCube! You
beat Michiyo's previous record of 1 hour, 28 minutes and 21
seconds! I hope you're happy!
L8[01:00:29] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new
record is 1 hour, 45 minutes and 14 seconds
L9[01:00:46] <CompanionCube> woo, nice round
number.
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L11[01:01:48] <CompanionCube> Mimiru: third
time was the charm...for me :)
L12[01:04:09] <Izaya> https://a.uguu.se/7uFI7FC2AHxW_22248.png
L13[02:50:34] 
<Kodos>
%tonk
<Kodos>
%tonkL14[02:50:39] ⇦
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L15[02:50:47] <Kodos> I
uhh I think I broke it
<Kodos> I
uhh I think I broke itL16[02:51:02] <Kodos>
Also, anyone here play EVE Online?
<Kodos>
Also, anyone here play EVE Online?L17[02:54:15] <payonel> %tonk
L18[02:57:09] <Kodos>
payonel, you're too late
<Kodos>
payonel, you're too lateL19[02:57:15] <Kodos> And
likely already detached
<Kodos> And
likely already detachedL20[03:02:32] <Forecaster>
I've *played* EVE at one point
<Forecaster>
I've *played* EVE at one pointL21[03:02:35] <Forecaster>
does that count?
<Forecaster>
does that count?L22[03:04:11] <Kodos>
Maybe? How long and what did you do
<Kodos>
Maybe? How long and what did you doL23[03:04:53] ⇦
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L24[03:05:23] <Kodos> I
basically have a formula I want to use alongside a lua program that
will http request live prices of Ore and calculate what's currently
best to mine. Maybe even switch off of Lua, and go php/python, and
have a small database table of ores and prices at all the hubs, and
see not only what's best to mine but also where the best sell spot
is currently
<Kodos> I
basically have a formula I want to use alongside a lua program that
will http request live prices of Ore and calculate what's currently
best to mine. Maybe even switch off of Lua, and go php/python, and
have a small database table of ores and prices at all the hubs, and
see not only what's best to mine but also where the best sell spot
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L26[03:10:40] <Forecaster>
I've got some mining ships
<Forecaster>
I've got some mining shipsL27[03:12:27] <Forecaster>
I used to just play solo
<Forecaster>
I used to just play soloL28[03:12:41] <Kodos> Oooh
what sort of mining ships do you have? And are you planning on ever
using them again or can I has them ?
<Kodos> Oooh
what sort of mining ships do you have? And are you planning on ever
using them again or can I has them ?L29[03:13:02] <Forecaster>
I haven't played in years now :P
<Forecaster>
I haven't played in years now :PL30[03:13:06] <Kodos>
Neat
<Kodos>
NeatL31[03:13:16] <Kodos> That
means you probably have something I could use ?
<Kodos> That
means you probably have something I could use ?L32[03:13:21] <Forecaster>
I forget, the big mining platform with three turrets
<Forecaster>
I forget, the big mining platform with three turretsL33[03:13:29] <Kodos>
Covetor or Hulk
<Kodos>
Covetor or HulkL34[03:13:37] <Forecaster>
Yeah
<Forecaster>
YeahL35[03:13:41] <Forecaster>
One of those
<Forecaster>
One of thoseL36[03:13:41] <Kodos> Got
nerfed, 2 turrets now
<Kodos> Got
nerfed, 2 turrets nowL37[03:13:57] <Kodos> But
I still use them
<Kodos> But
I still use themL38[03:14:07] <Kodos>
Basically Hulk is T2 Covetor
<Kodos>
Basically Hulk is T2 CovetorL39[03:14:17] <Kodos>
There's 3 variants of the barges/exhumers, as they're called
<Kodos>
There's 3 variants of the barges/exhumers, as they're calledL40[03:14:23] <Kodos> One
for yield, one for cargo hold, and one for tank
<Kodos> One
for yield, one for cargo hold, and one for tankL41[03:14:31] <Forecaster>
Oh yeah
<Forecaster>
Oh yeahL42[03:14:33] <Kodos>
Covetor/hulks are the yield
<Kodos>
Covetor/hulks are the yieldL43[03:14:58] <Kodos> I
solo mine a fuckton, so I use the hold ones and just fill/empty
mine
<Kodos> I
solo mine a fuckton, so I use the hold ones and just fill/empty
mineL44[03:15:01] <Forecaster>
I've also got a cargo scoop of some sort
<Forecaster>
I've also got a cargo scoop of some sortL45[03:15:11] <Kodos> If
you were indy, it's probably a Noctis
<Kodos> If
you were indy, it's probably a NoctisL46[03:15:14] <Forecaster>
I've also got a cargo ship of some sort [Edited]
<Forecaster>
I've also got a cargo ship of some sort [Edited]L47[03:15:23] <Kodos> Or
depending on your faction, a T1 hauler
<Kodos> Or
depending on your faction, a T1 haulerL48[03:15:37] <Kodos>
Badger, Iteron, Mammoth, or the other one
<Kodos>
Badger, Iteron, Mammoth, or the other oneL49[03:15:49] <Forecaster>
Badger I think
<Forecaster>
Badger I thinkL50[03:15:54] <Forecaster>
Maybe
<Forecaster>
MaybeL51[03:16:01] <Kodos> Do
you remember what color it was
<Kodos> Do
you remember what color it wasL52[03:16:01] <Forecaster>
I don't remember
<Forecaster>
I don't rememberL53[03:16:07] <Forecaster>
Gray?
<Forecaster>
Gray?L54[03:16:10] <Kodos>
Badger then
<Kodos>
Badger thenL55[03:16:13] <Kodos> Gray
is caldari
<Kodos> Gray
is caldariL56[03:16:17] <Forecaster>
Yeah
<Forecaster>
YeahL57[03:16:29] <Kodos>
You're likely remembering it being called a Badger Mk 2
<Kodos>
You're likely remembering it being called a Badger Mk 2L58[03:16:33] <Kodos>
Which it was back then
<Kodos>
Which it was back thenL59[03:16:45] <Kodos> Now
it's just Badger, and the Mk 2 is called a Tayra
<Kodos> Now
it's just Badger, and the Mk 2 is called a TayraL60[03:16:57] <Kodos> My
Tayra is min-maxed for hold space, and is named Tayra Smith
<Kodos> My
Tayra is min-maxed for hold space, and is named Tayra SmithL61[03:17:10] <Forecaster>
Looked it up, yeah that's the one
<Forecaster>
Looked it up, yeah that's the oneL62[03:17:24] <Kodos> She
likely looks different now though ? New models and such
<Kodos> She
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L64[03:18:07] <Tasty> question, how do i
connect via the irc program ingame?
L65[03:18:13] <Forecaster>
I think I have the client installed still
<Forecaster>
I think I have the client installed stillL66[03:18:46] <Forecaster>
@Tasty with the program on the irc loot disk
<Forecaster>
@Tasty with the program on the irc loot diskL67[03:18:57] <Tasty> i mean what do i put
in
L68[03:19:08] <Kodos> Type
`man irc` and it should have instructions
<Kodos> Type
`man irc` and it should have instructionsL69[03:19:25] <Kodos> or
maybe it was just `irc`
<Kodos> or
maybe it was just `irc`L70[03:20:35] <Tasty> it says "irc
<nickname> <server:port>"
L71[03:20:39] <Tasty> i need to know the
server
L72[03:21:05] <Forecaster>
irc.esper.net
<Forecaster>
irc.esper.netL73[03:21:12] <Tasty> thank you
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L76[03:36:12] <Kodos>
Anywho, tabbing back in to EVE For now. FOrecaster, if you get
around to getting on, feel free to donate all your stuff to me if
you don't decide to start playing again
<Kodos>
Anywho, tabbing back in to EVE For now. FOrecaster, if you get
around to getting on, feel free to donate all your stuff to me if
you don't decide to start playing againL77[03:36:23] <Kodos> I
will make sure it gets put to good use
<Kodos> I
will make sure it gets put to good useL78[03:38:16] <Forecaster>
I probably wont do that :P
<Forecaster>
I probably wont do that :PL79[03:38:30] <Forecaster>
if you want someone to help with mining though I can probably do
that
<Forecaster>
if you want someone to help with mining though I can probably do
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L81[03:39:20] <Forecaster>
oh wow, the Tayra looks neat
<Forecaster>
oh wow, the Tayra looks neatL82[03:40:36] <Kodos>
Doesn't it though?
<Kodos>
Doesn't it though?L83[03:40:42] <Kodos> Also
what's your name ingame?
<Kodos> Also
what's your name ingame?L84[03:41:26] <Forecaster>
`Dyir Ryom`
<Forecaster>
`Dyir Ryom`L85[03:47:01] <Forecaster>
I can fly the Tayra without Omega, but not the mining ship
<Forecaster>
I can fly the Tayra without Omega, but not the mining shipL86[03:56:18] <Kodos>
Sounds about right, y eah
<Kodos>
Sounds about right, y eahL87[03:57:40] <Kodos>
Which ship did you have? THe cov or the hulk
<Kodos>
Which ship did you have? THe cov or the hulkL88[04:08:10] <Forecaster>
I have a Covetor and a Retriever it seems
<Forecaster>
I have a Covetor and a Retriever it seemsL89[04:11:44] <Kodos>
Nice, that's yield and hold respectively
<Kodos>
Nice, that's yield and hold respectivelyL90[04:11:48] <Kodos> Both
T1
<Kodos> Both
T1L91[04:12:10] <Kodos> I
have 11 retrievers, and 6 covetors (I built spares because I get
ganked sometimes in our wh)
<Kodos> I
have 11 retrievers, and 6 covetors (I built spares because I get
ganked sometimes in our wh)L92[04:12:44] <Kodos> I'm
15 days from being in an Orca though ?
<Kodos> I'm
15 days from being in an Orca though ?L93[04:17:20] <Forecaster>
for training?
<Forecaster>
for training?L94[04:17:31] <Kodos>
Yar
<Kodos>
YarL95[04:17:37] <Forecaster>
I have the training for that
<Forecaster>
I have the training for thatL96[04:17:43] <Kodos> The
fitted hull is in my hangar
<Kodos> The
fitted hull is in my hangarL97[04:17:51] <Kodos> Just
gotta wait until I can use it
<Kodos> Just
gotta wait until I can use itL98[04:17:53] <Forecaster>
far off from being able to buy one though xD
<Forecaster>
far off from being able to buy one though xDL99[04:18:03] <Kodos> I'm
at 1.3 bil right now
<Kodos> I'm
at 1.3 bil right nowL100[04:18:11] <Forecaster>
I only have 25m
<Forecaster>
I only have 25mL101[04:18:24] <Kodos> Do
what I do, go to the trade hub and tell jokes for moneys ?
<Kodos> Do
what I do, go to the trade hub and tell jokes for moneys ?L102[04:18:30] <Forecaster>
what
<Forecaster>
whatL103[04:18:47] <Kodos>
Yerp
<Kodos>
YerpL104[04:19:03] <Kodos> I
sit in Jita when we're close, and tell jokes with my hat out so to
speak
<Kodos> I
sit in Jita when we're close, and tell jokes with my hat out so to
speakL105[04:19:18] <Kodos> I
never just ask for money, I tell them to tip me what they felt like
the laugh was worth
<Kodos> I
never just ask for money, I tell them to tip me what they felt like
the laugh was worthL106[04:19:54] <Forecaster>
I could fly a Bowhead too
<Forecaster>
I could fly a Bowhead tooL107[04:19:57] <Kodos> Nice
dude
<Kodos> Nice
dudeL108[04:20:10] <Kodos> I
think my corp has one built, just not used it yet
<Kodos> I
think my corp has one built, just not used it yetL109[04:20:28] <Forecaster>
wait, missing one skill for that, but that's just 2 hours and
44m
<Forecaster>
wait, missing one skill for that, but that's just 2 hours and
44mL110[04:21:01] <Forecaster>
waaaaay off from being able to afford that though xD
<Forecaster>
waaaaay off from being able to afford that though xDL111[04:21:17] <Kodos> You
think that's expensive, go price a Rorqual
<Kodos> You
think that's expensive, go price a RorqualL112[04:21:56] <Forecaster>
it's not that much higher than the Bowhead
<Forecaster>
it's not that much higher than the BowheadL113[04:22:07] <Kodos> Ah,
thought it was higher for some reason
<Kodos> Ah,
thought it was higher for some reasonL114[04:22:36] <Forecaster>
I cannot fly a Rorqual
<Forecaster>
I cannot fly a RorqualL115[04:22:48] <Forecaster>
I'm missing about a months worth of training for that
<Forecaster>
I'm missing about a months worth of training for thatL116[04:22:59] <Forecaster>
nearly two actually
<Forecaster>
nearly two actuallyL117[04:23:30] <Kodos>
Yeah, I'm about 3 months out from the hull, but 9 months from a
solid fit
<Kodos>
Yeah, I'm about 3 months out from the hull, but 9 months from a
solid fitL118[04:23:46] <Kodos>
Nevermind the core stuff like tank and power/cpu management
<Kodos>
Nevermind the core stuff like tank and power/cpu managementL119[04:25:06] <Forecaster>
hm
<Forecaster>
hmL120[04:25:15] <Forecaster>
I recall having some planetary facilities somewhere
<Forecaster>
I recall having some planetary facilities somewhereL121[04:25:21] <Forecaster>
I wonder what happened to those
<Forecaster>
I wonder what happened to thoseL122[04:25:31] <Kodos>
Well, PI is omega only so I'm not even sure you could access
them
<Kodos>
Well, PI is omega only so I'm not even sure you could access
themL123[04:25:43] <Forecaster>
but I should be able to see them
<Forecaster>
but I should be able to see themL124[04:26:07] <Kodos> E
Menu > INdustry > PLanetary production
<Kodos> E
Menu > INdustry > PLanetary productionL125[04:26:22] <Kodos> (E
Menu being the Neocom button at top left)
<Kodos> (E
Menu being the Neocom button at top left)L127[04:27:21] <Kodos>
You're probably rich tbh
<Kodos>
You're probably rich tbhL128[04:27:22] <Kodos>
idk
<Kodos>
idkL129[04:27:35] <Forecaster>
I am?
<Forecaster>
I am?L130[04:27:37] <Forecaster>
xD
<Forecaster>
xDL131[04:27:37] <Kodos> One
of my corpmates accidentally handed me his PI resources when we
were trading
<Kodos> One
of my corpmates accidentally handed me his PI resources when we
were tradingL132[04:27:43] <Kodos> It
was like... 20 bil worth of shit
<Kodos> It
was like... 20 bil worth of shitL133[04:28:00] <Forecaster>
I don't remember how this works
<Forecaster>
I don't remember how this worksL134[04:28:09] <Kodos> He
didn't realize what had happened, but I did, so I asked him about
it in TS, and you could almost hear his face go pale over
comms
<Kodos> He
didn't realize what had happened, but I did, so I asked him about
it in TS, and you could almost hear his face go pale over
commsL135[04:28:31] <Kodos> You
have to go to that planet's Customs office
<Kodos> You
have to go to that planet's Customs officeL136[04:28:37] <Kodos> THen
launch it from the pad to it
<Kodos> THen
launch it from the pad to itL137[04:28:41] <Forecaster>
it's a fertilizer production facility
<Forecaster>
it's a fertilizer production facilityL138[04:28:43] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL139[04:28:56] <Kodos> So
literal X isk worth of shit then
<Kodos> So
literal X isk worth of shit thenL141[04:29:15] <Forecaster>
I dunno
<Forecaster>
I dunnoL142[04:29:24] <Forecaster>
I've forgotten how to navigate this xD
<Forecaster>
I've forgotten how to navigate this xDL143[04:29:41] <Kodos>
Click the rocket to move stuff to the CO (Customs office)
<Kodos>
Click the rocket to move stuff to the CO (Customs office)L144[04:29:48] <Kodos> Also
30 fert is not gonna beworth a ton
<Kodos> Also
30 fert is not gonna beworth a tonL145[04:29:49] <Kodos>
?
<Kodos>
?L146[04:29:59] <Kodos> I
assumed there'd be like... thousands of items
<Kodos> I
assumed there'd be like... thousands of itemsL148[04:31:28] <Kodos>
Yep
<Kodos>
YepL149[04:31:33] <Forecaster>
yeah, that one is omega restricted
<Forecaster>
yeah, that one is omega restrictedL150[04:31:41] <Kodos> All
of the Planetary Management skills are
<Kodos> All
of the Planetary Management skills areL151[04:31:50] <Forecaster>
and I need that to start the resource extraction to get the
facility going again
<Forecaster>
and I need that to start the resource extraction to get the
facility going againL152[04:31:52] <Kodos>
Can't even mine in anything but a venture
<Kodos>
Can't even mine in anything but a ventureL153[04:32:11] <Forecaster>
dammit, I might have to re-activate...
<Forecaster>
dammit, I might have to re-activate...L154[04:43:56] <Forecaster>
wellp, the facility is not idle anymore
<Forecaster>
wellp, the facility is not idle anymoreL155[04:44:01] <Kodos> RIP
Wallet?
<Kodos> RIP
Wallet?L156[04:44:59] <Forecaster>
uh oh, cluster shutdown
<Forecaster>
uh oh, cluster shutdownL157[04:46:42] <Kodos> Aye,
daily DT
<Kodos> Aye,
daily DTL158[04:47:42] <Kodos> And,
since it's DT, I am off to bed. o7
<Kodos> And,
since it's DT, I am off to bed. o7L159[04:47:45] <Kodos>
%tonk
<Kodos>
%tonkL160[04:47:52] <Kodos>
Right, duh
<Kodos>
Right, duhL161[04:47:53] <Kodos> Not
here
<Kodos> Not
hereL162[04:47:55] <Kodos>
RIP
<Kodos>
RIPL163[04:48:01] <Kodos>
Anywho, o7
<Kodos>
Anywho, o7L164[05:01:31] ⇦
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@Inari 『 おにいでれ 』 https://raikou2.donmai.us/bc/68/__original_drawn_by_komomo_ptkrx__bc683a6b30e2108d5b254469db8482fe.png
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@Inari 『 おにいでれ 』 https://raikou2.donmai.us/bc/68/__original_drawn_by_komomo_ptkrx__bc683a6b30e2108d5b254469db8482fe.pngL167[05:05:28] <Skye> %tonk
L168[05:05:34] <Skye> Wait...
L169[05:05:43] <Skye> MichiBot is
dead.
L170[05:05:45] <Skye> Rip
L171[06:11:40] *
AmandaC boops Inari
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L182[09:13:19] <ZefTheFox>
The legendary ***s e g m e n t a t i o n f a u l t***
<ZefTheFox>
The legendary ***s e g m e n t a t i o n f a u l t***L183[09:14:49] <MGR>
%tonk
<MGR>
%tonkL184[09:14:51] <MichiBot> MGR! You beat
CompanionCube's previous record of 1 hour, 45 minutes and 14
seconds! I hope you're happy!
L185[09:14:52] <MichiBot> MGR's new record
is 8 hours, 14 minutes and 22 seconds
L186[09:28:35] <gerard> A
bug in my proxy scraper did set all the proxies to "not
working": http://tinyurl.com/y8yjaz5u
<gerard> A
bug in my proxy scraper did set all the proxies to "not
working": http://tinyurl.com/y8yjaz5uL187[09:28:36] <gerard>
:FeelsBadMan:
<gerard>
:FeelsBadMan:L188[09:28:54] <gerard> So
I have to check everything once again
<gerard> So
I have to check everything once againL189[09:47:13]
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L190[09:52:30] <ZefTheFox>
are there any other ranks than "junior member" on the
forums?
<ZefTheFox>
are there any other ranks than "junior member" on the
forums?L191[10:00:35] <ZefTheFox>
also is there a way to save a post?
<ZefTheFox>
also is there a way to save a post?L192[10:01:03] <Lizzian>
err, i think there's multiple depending on how many posts you have,
can't remember them off the top of my head
<Lizzian>
err, i think there's multiple depending on how many posts you have,
can't remember them off the top of my headL193[10:01:08] <Lizzian>
and what do you mean by save?
<Lizzian>
and what do you mean by save?L194[10:01:26] <Izaya> considering
everything in Elite: Dangerous is several hundred years used
L195[10:01:32] <Izaya> the ships don't
rattle enough
L196[10:01:53] <payonel> do they rattle at
all?
L197[10:01:56] <ZefTheFox>
Like so you can get back to that post easily
<ZefTheFox>
Like so you can get back to that post easilyL198[10:02:01] <Izaya> not really :|
L199[10:02:12] <ZefTheFox>
I guess I can just bookmark it then
<ZefTheFox>
I guess I can just bookmark it thenL200[10:02:19] <Lizzian>
not on the forums, no. but you have the bookmark features of your
browser
<Lizzian>
not on the forums, no. but you have the bookmark features of your
browserL201[10:02:42] <ZefTheFox>
I found a really good tutorial on the sound card from
computronics
<ZefTheFox>
I found a really good tutorial on the sound card from
computronicsL202[10:02:44] <Izaya> I want them to
rattle and shudder and sound like it's 50/50 they're gonna
explode
L203[10:02:59] <Lizzian>
and while topics may get archived, we don't ever delete them unless
they're breaking rules
<Lizzian>
and while topics may get archived, we don't ever delete them unless
they're breaking rulesL204[10:04:21] <Bob> any
way to tweak / upgrade GPUs
<Bob> any
way to tweak / upgrade GPUsL205[10:04:29] <Bob> using
addons or mod config
<Bob> using
addons or mod configL206[10:05:17] <Lizzian> i
think there's some bits about call limites or whatnot in the
config, payonel will know more though
<Lizzian> i
think there's some bits about call limites or whatnot in the
config, payonel will know more thoughL207[10:05:39] <payonel> nothing gpu
specific
L208[10:05:45] <payonel> i dont know about
addons
L209[10:05:52] <payonel> @bob what are you
thinking?
L210[10:06:32] <Bob> more
actions per second
<Bob> more
actions per secondL211[10:06:52] <ZefTheFox>
Use a screen buffering program?
<ZefTheFox>
Use a screen buffering program?L212[10:09:16] <payonel> @bob the higher
the tier of gpu, the great the call budget
L213[10:10:00] <payonel> but no, those
call budgets aren't exposed via config
L214[10:10:21] <Bob> i know
:p
<Bob> i know
:pL215[10:10:38] <payonel> then why did you
ask?
L216[10:11:02] <Bob> higher
tier ?
<Bob> higher
tier ?L217[10:11:08] <Bob> i have
too big GUIs
<Bob> i have
too big GUIsL218[10:11:24] <Bob> i
should use a GPU / Screensize detection funciton
<Bob> i
should use a GPU / Screensize detection funcitonL219[10:12:18] <Lizzian>
payonel, did the frame buffering / swapping thingy ever get
implemented?
<Lizzian>
payonel, did the frame buffering / swapping thingy ever get
implemented?L220[10:12:59] <payonel> no, i still think
about it though
L221[10:13:11] <Lizzian>
ah, okay
<Lizzian>
ah, okayL222[10:14:32] <payonel> an idea i like
most currently is to allow you to write to an unbound gpu
L223[10:15:00] <payonel> and then refresh
your screen when you bind
L224[10:15:16] <payonel> so that rebinding
is functionally a swap
L226[10:23:05] <Inari> %tonk
L227[10:23:06] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Inari,
you were not able to beat MGR's record of 8 hours, 14 minutes and
22 seconds this time.
L228[10:23:07] <MichiBot> 1 hour, 8
minutes and 16 seconds were wasted!
L229[10:25:11] <Wuerfel_21>
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/335301501947740161/512493835184635905/unknown.png
<Wuerfel_21>
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/335301501947740161/512493835184635905/unknown.pngL231[10:25:39] <MGR> Also,
brutal
<MGR> Also,
brutalL233[10:35:49] <Temia> y i k e s
L234[10:41:59] <Izaya> I liked the 'kill
anyone that disagrees the list is already sorted' sort
L235[10:49:05] <Izaya> muahahahahaha
L236[10:49:31] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/mtmnfm.jpg
L237[10:51:23] <MGR> They
have boosters now?
<MGR> They
have boosters now?L238[10:51:26] <MGR> That's
cool
<MGR> That's
coolL239[10:51:41] <Izaya> this is unlocked on
live, too, not the beta
L240[10:51:49] <MGR> I need
to get back into Elite sometime
<MGR> I need
to get back into Elite sometimeL241[10:51:56] <Izaya> once the Krait
Phantom drops properly I'll be ready
L242[10:51:56] <Lizzian>
same
<Lizzian>
sameL243[10:52:05] <MGR> Maybe
after I finish the Aurora Chronicles
<MGR> Maybe
after I finish the Aurora ChroniclesL244[10:52:05] <Izaya> Guardian FSD
booster and power plant...
L245[10:53:49] <Izaya> need to get more
scans but real soon now
L246[11:08:09] <Izaya> %remindme 12h set
up ZNC network for fuel rats IRC
L247[11:08:10] <MichiBot> I'll remind you
about "set up ZNC network for fuel rats IRC" at
11/15/2018 11:08:10 PM
L248[11:13:15] <ZefTheFox>
https://preview.redd.it/wpg4p6utcey11.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=f16bc963496c45cc299638d01bc2942176969f51
<ZefTheFox>
https://preview.redd.it/wpg4p6utcey11.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=f16bc963496c45cc299638d01bc2942176969f51L249[11:13:17] <ZefTheFox>
this is scary
<ZefTheFox>
this is scaryL250[11:13:48] <MGR> I
don't see a problem
<MGR> I
don't see a problemL251[11:14:01] <ZefTheFox>
*the computers aren't secured in the rack*
<ZefTheFox>
*the computers aren't secured in the rack*L252[11:14:09] <MGR> I
don't see a problem
<MGR> I
don't see a problemL253[11:14:09] <ZefTheFox>
they're just sitting in there at wonky angles
<ZefTheFox>
they're just sitting in there at wonky anglesL254[11:14:28] <Forecaster>
eh, as long as it works :P
<Forecaster>
eh, as long as it works :PL255[11:14:39] <ZefTheFox>
**it
<ZefTheFox>
**itL256[11:14:45] <ZefTheFox>
**its a datacenter** [Edited]
<ZefTheFox>
**its a datacenter** [Edited]L257[11:18:14] <Bob> *as
long as there is no eartquake*
<Bob> *as
long as there is no eartquake*L258[11:18:20] <Bob> bruh
my english
<Bob> bruh
my englishL259[11:24:10] <Forecaster>
maybe all the screws failed, all at once
<Forecaster>
maybe all the screws failed, all at onceL260[11:48:23] <ZefTheFox>
So I'm actually working on the "shell" for openos,
changing the close function so it ignores all the events the window
previously listened for
<ZefTheFox>
So I'm actually working on the "shell" for openos,
changing the close function so it ignores all the events the window
previously listened forL261[12:35:19] <Inari> https://www.zdnet.com/article/researchers-discover-seven-new-meltdown-and-spectre-attacks/
Oh look, its that again
L262[12:35:47] <Inari> And of course on
GPUs too https://www.networkworld.com/article/3321036/data-center/gpus-are-vulnerable-to-side-channel-attacks.html
L263[12:37:31] <CompanionCube> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46222026
L264[12:37:42] <CompanionCube> 'Japan's
new cyber-security minister has dumbfounded his country by saying
he has never used a computer.'
L265[12:38:10] <Forecaster>
seems legit
<Forecaster>
seems legitL266[12:38:19] <Inari> how do you
literally have never used a computer
L267[12:38:51] <MGR> You'd
be surprised
<MGR> You'd
be surprisedL268[12:39:10] <Forecaster>
probably has a smartphone/tablet
<Forecaster>
probably has a smartphone/tabletL269[12:39:25] <Corded> * <MGR> is
triggered by "What's a computer ads"
L270[12:39:28] <MGR>
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
<MGR>
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻L271[12:40:12] <Kodos>
%tonk
<Kodos>
%tonkL272[12:40:14] ⇦
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L273[12:40:14] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Kodos,
you were not able to beat MGR's record of 8 hours, 14 minutes and
22 seconds this time.
L274[12:40:15] <MichiBot> 2 hours, 17
minutes and 6 seconds were wasted!
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L276[12:44:06] <CompanionCube> such
record
L277[12:44:07] <CompanionCube> very
long
L278[12:44:13] <CompanionCube> (not
really, but eh)
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L281[12:55:50] <Forecaster>
hmr
<Forecaster>
hmrL282[12:56:11] <Forecaster>
I've got a "station container" stored at a station
<Forecaster>
I've got a "station container" stored at a stationL283[12:56:17]
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L284[12:56:17]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L285[12:56:24] <Forecaster>
it's too big disassembled to move for me...
<Forecaster>
it's too big disassembled to move for me...L286[12:56:52] <Forecaster>
I don't remember why I have it
<Forecaster>
I don't remember why I have itL287[12:57:03] <Kodos>
That's just a station container, I use about 15 of them at home
base to sort my stuff
<Kodos>
That's just a station container, I use about 15 of them at home
base to sort my stuffL288[12:57:15] <Kodos>
Keeps you from having a clusterfuck of one main inventory
<Kodos>
Keeps you from having a clusterfuck of one main inventoryL289[12:57:22] <Forecaster>
yeah but why do I have one at a random station...
<Forecaster>
yeah but why do I have one at a random station...L290[12:57:30] <Forecaster>
it's the only thing there
<Forecaster>
it's the only thing thereL291[12:57:33] <Kodos> Are
you looking at personal assets?
<Kodos> Are
you looking at personal assets?L292[12:57:38] <Forecaster>
yeah
<Forecaster>
yeahL293[12:57:41] <Kodos>
Right click the container > View Contents
<Kodos>
Right click the container > View ContentsL294[12:57:58] <Forecaster>
it's not assembled...
<Forecaster>
it's not assembled...L295[12:58:09] <Kodos> Oh,
you probably bought it not realizing it was not at the station you
were at, and left it
<Kodos> Oh,
you probably bought it not realizing it was not at the station you
were at, and left itL296[12:58:10] <MGR> A: Did
you just say the pole is on fire? C: Yes. A: Have you called the
fire department? C: No. What does the fire department have to do
with my internet? I need my internet. A: Please hold.
<MGR> A: Did
you just say the pole is on fire? C: Yes. A: Have you called the
fire department? C: No. What does the fire department have to do
with my internet? I need my internet. A: Please hold.L297[12:58:17] <MGR> ---
Quote 1/2
<MGR> ---
Quote 1/2L298[12:58:27] <Forecaster>
that's possible
<Forecaster>
that's possibleL299[12:59:00] <Forecaster>
I need to acquire a cargo ship with more than 50k m3 space so I can
move it
<Forecaster>
I need to acquire a cargo ship with more than 50k m3 space so I can
move itL300[12:59:22] <Kodos>
They're not very much and I think most NPC stations sell them
<Kodos>
They're not very much and I think most NPC stations sell themL301[12:59:36] <Forecaster>
it's the principle of the thing! D:
<Forecaster>
it's the principle of the thing! D:L302[12:59:50] <Kodos> Lol
well you're not gonna get 50k in an alpha ship
<Kodos> Lol
well you're not gonna get 50k in an alpha shipL303[12:59:58] <Kodos>
Completely maxed out, my Tayra is only 33.5k
<Kodos>
Completely maxed out, my Tayra is only 33.5kL304[13:00:03] <Kodos>
You'll need a DST which is T2
<Kodos>
You'll need a DST which is T2L305[13:02:01] <vifino> greetings.
L306[13:02:39] <MGR>
Greetings! How do you do?
<MGR>
Greetings! How do you do?L307[13:03:18] <Kodos> I am
excited for the day when I get around to playing MC again. I want
to try a new way of playing
<Kodos> I am
excited for the day when I get around to playing MC again. I want
to try a new way of playingL308[13:03:49] <MGR> What
way would that be?
<MGR> What
way would that be?L309[13:04:20] <Wuerfel_21>
~~Zero leftclick challenge~~
<Wuerfel_21>
~~Zero leftclick challenge~~L310[13:06:13] <Wuerfel_21>
I wonder, can you actually see the vanilla credits without left
clicking (outside of the main menu, ofc)
<Wuerfel_21>
I wonder, can you actually see the vanilla credits without left
clicking (outside of the main menu, ofc)L311[13:06:23] <Wuerfel_21>
I wonder, can you actually see the vanilla credits without left
clicking? (outside of the main menu, ofc) [Edited]
<Wuerfel_21>
I wonder, can you actually see the vanilla credits without left
clicking? (outside of the main menu, ofc) [Edited]L312[13:06:59] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> rebinds the function to some other button
L313[13:08:17] <Wuerfel_21>
hmm, you really only need some eyes of ender
<Wuerfel_21>
hmm, you really only need some eyes of enderL314[13:08:20] <Lizzian>
%tonk
<Lizzian>
%tonkL315[13:08:21] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Lizzian, you were not able to beat MGR's record of 8 hours, 14
minutes and 22 seconds this time.
L316[13:08:22] <MichiBot> 28 minutes and 8
seconds were wasted!
L317[13:08:49] <Wuerfel_21>
the hard part there is killing enough endermen and blazes
<Wuerfel_21>
the hard part there is killing enough endermen and blazesL318[13:09:02] <MGR> and
the dragon
<MGR> and
the dragonL319[13:09:45] <Wuerfel_21>
you usually use a bow to kill the dragon, anyways.
<Wuerfel_21>
you usually use a bow to kill the dragon, anyways.L320[13:09:51] <Kodos>
Well, I was reading a reddit post about how people like to play,
and one guy told a story of how he mainly likes to build, so he was
automating all of his building materials. So as I build, I'm going
to set that up
<Kodos>
Well, I was reading a reddit post about how people like to play,
and one guy told a story of how he mainly likes to build, so he was
automating all of his building materials. So as I build, I'm going
to set that upL321[13:10:39] <MGR> That's
true, and that's cool
<MGR> That's
true, and that's coolL322[13:10:57] <Kodos> I'm
excited because when I play solo, I've never really known what I
wanted to do, so I usually end up in creative fucking about
<Kodos> I'm
excited because when I play solo, I've never really known what I
wanted to do, so I usually end up in creative fucking aboutL323[13:11:04] <Kodos> So
now I have a goal and a purpose
<Kodos> So
now I have a goal and a purposeL324[13:11:51] <MGR>
"At this point his eyes get that unfocused look like Elmer
Fudd after stepping on a rake, or like a third-floor suit getting
told that putting it on a spreadsheet doesn't make it true."
--- Quote 2/2
<MGR>
"At this point his eyes get that unfocused look like Elmer
Fudd after stepping on a rake, or like a third-floor suit getting
told that putting it on a spreadsheet doesn't make it true."
--- Quote 2/2L325[13:13:18] *
Inari eats AmandaC
L326[13:13:22] <Inari> ( https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsEN373XQAYnRy1.jpg:large
)
L327[13:13:35] *
AmandaC bites Inari's tounge
L328[13:13:40] <MGR> Oh
my
<MGR> Oh
myL329[13:20:31] <Panakotta00> is there a way to do stuff
like that in OC?
<Panakotta00> is there a way to do stuff
like that in OC?L331[13:20:32] <Panakotta00> -> and i want that to
happen with `event.listen` and not `event.pull`
<Panakotta00> -> and i want that to
happen with `event.listen` and not `event.pull`L332[13:20:51] <MGR>
Yes
<MGR>
YesL333[13:21:13] <Panakotta00> and how?
<Panakotta00> and how?L334[13:21:39] <Panakotta00> becaus when i put that into a
boot file in OpenOS then arg is nil
<Panakotta00> becaus when i put that into a
boot file in OpenOS then arg is nilL335[13:21:45] <Panakotta00> because when i put that into
a boot file in OpenOS then arg is nil [Edited]
<Panakotta00> because when i put that into
a boot file in OpenOS then arg is nil [Edited]L337[13:22:16] <MGR> That
should work
<MGR> That
should workL338[13:22:47] <Kodos> That
will print the entire message, looks like he's just wanting the
sender
<Kodos> That
will print the entire message, looks like he's just wanting the
senderL339[13:23:13] <MGR>
Ohhh
<MGR>
OhhhL341[13:23:46] <MGR> ~w
modem
<MGR> ~w
modemL342[13:23:46] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:modem
L344[13:24:13] <MGR>
Fixed
<MGR>
FixedL345[13:25:00] <Forecaster>
why even . . . if you don't need those arguments for anything
<Forecaster>
why even . . . if you don't need those arguments for anythingL346[13:25:17] <MGR> Fair
point ?
<MGR> Fair
point ?L347[13:34:43] ⇦
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L348[13:34:55] <McMaarten>
%tonk
<McMaarten>
%tonkL349[13:34:57] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
McMaarten, you were not able to beat MGR's record of 8 hours, 14
minutes and 22 seconds this time.
L350[13:34:58] <MichiBot> 26 minutes and
34 seconds were wasted!
L351[13:35:03] <McMaarten>
8 hours??!!
<McMaarten>
8 hours??!!L352[13:35:13] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L353[13:35:17] <McMaarten>
Well
<McMaarten>
WellL354[13:35:21] <McMaarten>
congratulations on that ?
<McMaarten>
congratulations on that ?L355[13:35:21]
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L356[13:35:35] <MGR> Thank
you
<MGR> Thank
youL357[13:39:17] ⇦
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L359[13:50:18] <Kodos> Only
because my 2 AM Tonk broke the bot
<Kodos> Only
because my 2 AM Tonk broke the botL360[13:50:27] <MGR>
Yep
<MGR>
YepL361[13:55:27] *
CompanionCube blames Kasen
L362[13:55:32] <CompanionCube> *
Kodos
L363[14:00:51] <asie> %tonk
L364[14:00:52] <MichiBot> I'm sorry asie,
you were not able to beat MGR's record of 8 hours, 14 minutes and
22 seconds this time.
L365[14:00:53] <MichiBot> 25 minutes and
55 seconds were wasted!
L366[14:00:53] <asie> %tonk
L367[14:01:05] <asie> there really is a
time limit now
L368[14:01:07] <asie> uh
L369[14:01:31] <Forecaster>
there is a ratelimit yes
<Forecaster>
there is a ratelimit yesL370[14:21:30] ⇦
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L372[14:39:01] <Inari> Forecaster:
reatelimit?
L373[14:39:04] <Inari> Oh
L374[14:39:11] <Inari> I didn't see the
second %tonk
L375[14:39:14] <Inari> %whatislove
L376[14:39:15] <MichiBot> Inari: Love
is... Inari a bath!
L377[14:39:18] <Inari> D:
L378[14:39:32] <Inari> "abath" -
to be in a bath
L379[14:39:35] <Inari> Similar words:
afloat
L380[14:44:29] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TwHJe51rj8
L381[14:44:29] <MichiBot> Menhera-chan
's song ! | length: 2m 1s | Likes: 184 Dislikes: 4
Views: 2,553 | by Hiệp Humble | Published On
7/11/2018
L382[14:46:52] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr8NmmTV4AIzmaM.jpg:large
coming through!
L383[14:49:42] <Forecaster>
my hovercraft is full of cat
<Forecaster>
my hovercraft is full of catL384[14:49:59] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsEJjdQU0AEAzky.jpg:large
just stretching!
L386[15:06:48] <Forecaster>
no idea who that is
<Forecaster>
no idea who that isL387[15:07:26] <20kdc>
presumably someone who greets you with
++++++++[->+++++++++<]>.+.<
<20kdc>
presumably someone who greets you with
++++++++[->+++++++++<]>.+.<L389[15:07:50] <ZefTheFox>
they be flexing
<ZefTheFox>
they be flexingL390[15:08:10] <MGR>
...
<MGR>
...L391[15:08:15] <Forecaster>
how modest
<Forecaster>
how modestL392[15:08:24] <MGR>
Wow
<MGR>
WowL393[15:08:32] <Skye>
hmmm
<Skye>
hmmmL394[15:08:32] <20kdc>
"a basic encryption program for you lazy people" --
PixelToast on the CC forums
<20kdc>
"a basic encryption program for you lazy people" --
PixelToast on the CC forumsL395[15:08:39] <20kdc> they
be eating bagels
<20kdc> they
be eating bagelsL396[15:08:59] <Skye>
Pixeltoast is also known as v^, right?
<Skye>
Pixeltoast is also known as v^, right?L397[15:09:08] <ZefTheFox>
Wait
<ZefTheFox>
WaitL398[15:09:12] <ZefTheFox>
I recognize that name
<ZefTheFox>
I recognize that nameL399[15:09:20] <Skye> there
were here for a while
<Skye> there
were here for a whileL400[15:09:27] <Skye> I am
not sure if that person is pixeltoast though
<Skye> I am
not sure if that person is pixeltoast thoughL402[15:09:51] <Forecaster>
so no
<Forecaster>
so noL403[15:10:03] <Forecaster>
unless they have two accounts?
<Forecaster>
unless they have two accounts?L404[15:10:30] <ZefTheFox>
I don't think they play minecraft?
<ZefTheFox>
I don't think they play minecraft?L405[15:10:37] <ZefTheFox>
I'm asking now lol
<ZefTheFox>
I'm asking now lolL406[15:12:15] <Skye> I
don't think they are the same
<Skye> I
don't think they are the sameL407[15:13:36] <Mimiru> iirc pixeltoast is
ping, and v^ who ran the bot ^v
L408[15:14:43] <Mimiru> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/view.php?chan=oc&log=2016-07-21.log#L39
L409[15:14:44] <Mimiru> yes
L410[15:16:27] <Forecaster>
I prefer HD-toast myself
<Forecaster>
I prefer HD-toast myselfL411[15:26:43] <ZefTheFox>
How about *vector toast*
<ZefTheFox>
How about *vector toast*L412[15:31:07] <Forecaster>
that sounds too much like someone else I know...
<Forecaster>
that sounds too much like someone else I know...L413[15:31:29] <Inari> Oh wow, thats
pretty https://twitter.com/RehnSturm256/status/1063182321409449984
L414[15:31:29] <MichiBot> Thu Nov 15
15:29:53 CST 2018 @RehnSturm256: @SuicidalChan Good morning~
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L416[15:38:18] <ZefTheFox>
From the embed in discord: @SuicidalChan Good morning~
<ZefTheFox>
From the embed in discord: @SuicidalChan Good morning~L417[15:38:21] <ZefTheFox>
lol
<ZefTheFox>
lolL418[15:40:04]
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L427[16:14:41] <KatsFerDays> Hello?
L428[16:14:57] <MGR>
%hello
<MGR>
%helloL429[16:14:58] <MichiBot> MGR: Hello!
Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask
your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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%bye
<MGR>
%byeL436[16:16:30] <MichiBot> MGR: Oh, well,
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L439[16:40:51] <Forecaster>
did I really make a User object and not put in a password
field...
<Forecaster>
did I really make a User object and not put in a password
field...L440[16:40:52] <Forecaster>
:|
<Forecaster>
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L442[17:00:26] <rashdanml> \o/
L443[17:05:32] <ZefTheFox>
faces
<ZefTheFox>
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Feet
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L447[17:34:15] <ZefTheFox>
"multiplayer boobs" seems good
<ZefTheFox>
"multiplayer boobs" seems goodL448[17:36:51] <Kleadron>
:GWmythsBlobGlare:
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L463[18:40:34] <AmandaC> %choose keep
reading about the crazy lesbian peasent or read about the crazy
lesbian borderline-goddess or ☢️
L464[18:40:38] <MichiBot> AmandaC: If I've
learned anything in life it's that you always pick ☢️
L465[18:40:53] *
AmandaC nods, starts the radiation generator
L466[18:42:41] <AmandaC> I think I'll read
the new chapter about the guy who got The Santa Clause'd into being
God first though
L467[18:58:11] <Kodos>
Also, If you are interested in Star Citizen, they are doing another
Freefly event for Black Friday. From Nov 23 to Dec 1, everyone will
be able to test out ships in the game. All you need is an account
and you'll be able to download the launcher and get into the PU.
Each day, a different ship manufacturer will open their entire
currently existing ship inventory for all to use. If you don't have
an account, and want an extra 5k credits to use
<Kodos>
Also, If you are interested in Star Citizen, they are doing another
Freefly event for Black Friday. From Nov 23 to Dec 1, everyone will
be able to test out ships in the game. All you need is an account
and you'll be able to download the launcher and get into the PU.
Each day, a different ship manufacturer will open their entire
currently existing ship inventory for all to use. If you don't have
an account, and want an extra 5k credits to useL468[18:58:11] <Kodos>
ingame, feel free to DM me for my referral link ?
<Kodos>
ingame, feel free to DM me for my referral link ?L469[18:59:50] <Izaya> I might look into
that
L470[18:59:56] <Izaya> question is: will
it run under Proton
L471[19:02:23] <Kodos> IIRC
They have intentions of supporting Linux, but not until after a
final release
<Kodos> IIRC
They have intentions of supporting Linux, but not until after a
final releaseL472[19:02:27] <Kodos> Or
rather, a full release
<Kodos> Or
rather, a full releaseL473[19:02:34] <Kodos> ie
in some years
<Kodos> ie
in some yearsL474[19:02:35] <CompanionCube> that seems
like a bad plan
L475[19:02:49] <CompanionCube> wait until
everything's done and *then* port it?
L476[19:02:57] <CompanionCube> I feel bad
for whoever ends up having to do that.
L477[19:03:09] <Kodos> I
don't think Linux was ever meant to be a gaming platform really
until recently
<Kodos> I
don't think Linux was ever meant to be a gaming platform really
until recentlyL478[19:03:16] <Kodos> Even
now, it's... finicky
<Kodos> Even
now, it's... finickyL479[19:03:38] <Izaya> nothing is really a
gaming platform save consoles
L480[19:03:42] <CompanionCube> true, but
if you intend to be cross-platform in the future you're going to
have a fun time when that happens
L481[19:03:48] <Izaya> some things have
had more resources put into it than others
L482[19:03:51] <CompanionCube> unless you
keep the effort resasonable from the start
L483[19:04:03] <CompanionCube> which is
hard to do when you only run on one platform
L484[19:07:12] <Wuerfel_21>
`nothing is really a gaming platform save consoles` actually,
Windows arguably is. a) M$ pushed windows 95 gaming b) Windows
ships with high quality games such as, dependig on the version,
Solitaire or candy crush c) there's features like the game explorer
in win 7 o the game mode in win 10
<Wuerfel_21>
`nothing is really a gaming platform save consoles` actually,
Windows arguably is. a) M$ pushed windows 95 gaming b) Windows
ships with high quality games such as, dependig on the version,
Solitaire or candy crush c) there's features like the game explorer
in win 7 o the game mode in win 10L485[19:07:23] <CompanionCube> ...
L486[19:07:31] <CompanionCube> b) is a bad
reason and you know it.
L487[19:08:02] <Izaya> also
L488[19:08:03] <Wuerfel_21>
are you saying that solitaire and minesweeper aren't the most
hardcore games ever?
<Wuerfel_21>
are you saying that solitaire and minesweeper aren't the most
hardcore games ever?L489[19:08:12] <Izaya> Windows 95 ~=
NT
L490[19:08:14] <20kdc> a)
Only in the sense that Microsoft shoved DirectX in people's faces
enough, and we all know how well that's ended up (two graphics
APIs, making game porting more difficult)
<20kdc> a)
Only in the sense that Microsoft shoved DirectX in people's faces
enough, and we all know how well that's ended up (two graphics
APIs, making game porting more difficult)L491[19:08:49] <20kdc> and
b) ... not really sure I'd define those as high quality
games.
<20kdc> and
b) ... not really sure I'd define those as high quality
games.L492[19:08:54] <CompanionCube> they're
irrelevant from a gaming platform perspective
L493[19:09:11] <CompanionCube> and candy
crush is a moneygrabbing mediocre puzzle game, no?
L494[19:09:22] <Wuerfel_21>
`not really sure I'd define those as high quality games` that was
sarcasm
<Wuerfel_21>
`not really sure I'd define those as high quality games` that was
sarcasmL495[19:09:24] <Izaya> now if they
packaged Bejeweled...
L496[19:09:26] <CompanionCube> windows
isn't even the primary platform
L497[19:10:09] <Izaya> either way, Windows
NT is a server platform with gaming stuff shoved into it after the
fact, making it not particularly good at either
L498[19:10:38] <Izaya> 20kdc: fear not,
DirectX's time is ending
L499[19:10:47] <CompanionCube>
indeed
L500[19:11:10] <CompanionCube> Windows is
and remains a good gaming platform primarily because of inertia and
the network effect.
L501[19:11:21] <Izaya> ^
L502[19:11:34] <20kdc>
Well, yeah, they've walked straight into a corner with DX12
"Let's make a Vulkan-style API required" while OpenGL's
taken a much more balanced approach
<20kdc>
Well, yeah, they've walked straight into a corner with DX12
"Let's make a Vulkan-style API required" while OpenGL's
taken a much more balanced approachL503[19:11:36] <Izaya> not (significantly)
because of any actual attributes of the platform
L504[19:11:48] <Wuerfel_21>
The Xbone also runs the NT kernel, AFAIK. Then again, the X-Bone is
kindof a meh platform to begin with.
<Wuerfel_21>
The Xbone also runs the NT kernel, AFAIK. Then again, the X-Bone is
kindof a meh platform to begin with.L505[19:12:13] <CompanionCube> Windows
Phone runs the NT Kernel too
L506[19:12:54] <20kdc> All
sorts of things "run the NT kernel" but in practice,
there's still platform differences. The connecting thread is
DirectX (which is, as noted before, their lock-in strategy)
<20kdc> All
sorts of things "run the NT kernel" but in practice,
there's still platform differences. The connecting thread is
DirectX (which is, as noted before, their lock-in strategy)L507[19:13:29] <CompanionCube> also NT !=
Win32
L508[19:15:10] <20kdc> If
we assume someone with source access, the conclusion is that the
average game developed by your average 'DirectX is fine' dev will
be more difficult to port outside Microsoft-owned platforms, but
the reason for that is primarily going to be DirectX, and secondly
occasional other BS Microsoft's pulled (UTF-16 for
*everybody*!)
<20kdc> If
we assume someone with source access, the conclusion is that the
average game developed by your average 'DirectX is fine' dev will
be more difficult to port outside Microsoft-owned platforms, but
the reason for that is primarily going to be DirectX, and secondly
occasional other BS Microsoft's pulled (UTF-16 for
*everybody*!)L509[19:15:22] <CompanionCube> saying
Windows is a good gaming platform because xbone is equivalent to
saying FreeBSD is a good gaming platform because of the
PlayStation.
L510[19:16:40] <Kleadron>
does the playstation actually use freebsd
<Kleadron>
does the playstation actually use freebsdL511[19:16:54] <Izaya> yeah
L512[19:16:54] <20kdc> last
I heard it was some weird thing called 'ORBIS'
<20kdc> last
I heard it was some weird thing called 'ORBIS'L513[19:17:02] <CompanionCube> I believe
at least one of them is partially derived from FreeBSD
L514[19:17:11] <Kleadron>
cool
<Kleadron>
coolL515[19:17:20] <Izaya> it uses the FreeBSD
kernel at least
L516[19:17:35] <Izaya> go watch the talk
about porting Linux to it
L517[19:17:38] <Wuerfel_21>
Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ireluqokag
<Wuerfel_21>
Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ireluqokagL518[19:18:01] <CompanionCube> 'The
PlayStation 4 system software is the updatable firmware and
operating system of the PlayStation 4. The operating system is
Orbis OS, based on FreeBSD 9.'
L519[19:18:46] <Wuerfel_21>
heck, most linux distros don't even have the tool you need to
calibrate a gamepad preinstalled
<Wuerfel_21>
heck, most linux distros don't even have the tool you need to
calibrate a gamepad preinstalledL520[19:19:27] <Izaya> you don't have to
track down a tool and download it from some shady site on linux
though
L521[19:19:57] <20kdc> If
you account for the ability to get older versions of libs &
containerize, binary compatibility can be extremely stable because
*kernel* devs don't break stuff. But if you *don't* then it's quite
the opposite with libraries breaking all over the place, because
nobody seems to understand what a 'stable API' means.
<20kdc> If
you account for the ability to get older versions of libs &
containerize, binary compatibility can be extremely stable because
*kernel* devs don't break stuff. But if you *don't* then it's quite
the opposite with libraries breaking all over the place, because
nobody seems to understand what a 'stable API' means.L522[19:20:26] <Izaya> if you statically
compiled games it'd have no trouble
L523[19:20:45] <Izaya> the issue is that
that isn't really practical
L524[19:21:15] <Wuerfel_21>
`track down a tool and download it from some shady site` when does
that ever happen anywhere though? All the sites i download shiz
from aren't shady. If you get your software from Softonic or smth
you're at fault, lol
<Wuerfel_21>
`track down a tool and download it from some shady site` when does
that ever happen anywhere though? All the sites i download shiz
from aren't shady. If you get your software from Softonic or smth
you're at fault, lolL525[19:21:51] <Izaya> literally any time
you want to install anything on windows
L526[19:21:58] <20kdc>
Also, multiple windowing systems wasn't a problem on Linux until
the Wayland & Mir people got involved...
<20kdc>
Also, multiple windowing systems wasn't a problem on Linux until
the Wayland & Mir people got involved...L527[19:22:00] <Izaya> no package manager
means you have to rely on third parties
L528[19:22:29] <CompanionCube> also
L529[19:22:34] <CompanionCube> X11 works
~everywhere
L530[19:22:50] <CompanionCube> MIr's
dead
L531[19:22:59] <CompanionCube> Wayland's
likely too immature still.
L532[19:24:18] <Wuerfel_21>
(disclaimer: i've mostly used debian/ubuntu based distros) the
distro's own repos suck. Perpetually out of date and the SDL
package was broken at some point. So you end up downloading stuff
from the web or assing PPAs, anyways.
<Wuerfel_21>
(disclaimer: i've mostly used debian/ubuntu based distros) the
distro's own repos suck. Perpetually out of date and the SDL
package was broken at some point. So you end up downloading stuff
from the web or assing PPAs, anyways.L533[19:24:49] <CompanionCube> there's a
reason debian being out of date is a meme
L534[19:24:58] <CompanionCube> that's the
price paid for their stability.
L535[19:25:00] <Wuerfel_21>
(disclaimer: i've mostly used debian/ubuntu based distros) the
distro's own repos suck. Perpetually out of date and the SDL
package was broken at some point. So you end up downloading stuff
from the web or adding PPAs, anyways. [Edited]
<Wuerfel_21>
(disclaimer: i've mostly used debian/ubuntu based distros) the
distro's own repos suck. Perpetually out of date and the SDL
package was broken at some point. So you end up downloading stuff
from the web or adding PPAs, anyways. [Edited]L536[19:25:12] <Izaya> ubuntu's repos,
which most people would end up using, are more updated
L537[19:25:33] <20kdc> They
definitely have their priorities out of whack, at least when it
comes to must-update packages like any game with a multiplayer
component...
<20kdc> They
definitely have their priorities out of whack, at least when it
comes to must-update packages like any game with a multiplayer
component...L538[19:26:05] <Izaya> I don't think
Debian really prioritises games much
L539[19:26:38] <20kdc>
Still, the slow-and-steady approach is much better than the
"Wayland all the things" approach
<20kdc>
Still, the slow-and-steady approach is much better than the
"Wayland all the things" approachL540[19:28:31] <20kdc> it
really boils down to library developers thinking they can up their
major version once every nanosecond
<20kdc> it
really boils down to library developers thinking they can up their
major version once every nanosecondL541[19:28:40] <20kdc>
sonames do not *help* this situation
<20kdc>
sonames do not *help* this situationL542[19:29:07] <20kdc>
because they make cases where a library didn't actually change
enough (because see note on library developers upping their major
version) completely fail
<20kdc>
because they make cases where a library didn't actually change
enough (because see note on library developers upping their major
version) completely failL543[19:29:16] <Izaya> IMO X11 could use a
cleanup but replacing it outright is a little overkill – just
remove the 30-year-old cruft
L544[19:30:00] <Wuerfel_21>
Wayland lacks the amazing network forwarding feature X11 has
<Wuerfel_21>
Wayland lacks the amazing network forwarding feature X11 hasL545[19:30:21] <Izaya> aye
L546[19:30:37] <Izaya> it's not perfect
but the fact I can do ssh -X host program and have it appear on my
local machine...
L547[19:30:38] <20kdc>
Network forwarding's a good feature, but it's also actually a bit
reliant on that cruft, because that cruft if used correctly
preserves network bandwidth
<20kdc>
Network forwarding's a good feature, but it's also actually a bit
reliant on that cruft, because that cruft if used correctly
preserves network bandwidthL548[19:33:25] <CompanionCube> wayland and
btrfs seem to be perpetually stuck in 'Soon we will have X
feature!'
L549[19:33:28] <Izaya> I mean, sure, but
do we need the print spooler?
L550[19:33:41] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
wasn't XPrint baleeted
L551[19:34:42] <Izaya> I think it's gone,
but just remove as much similar BS as possible
L552[19:34:45] <Wuerfel_21>
`but do we need the print spooler` I mean why not?
<Wuerfel_21>
`but do we need the print spooler` I mean why not?L553[19:35:03] <CompanionCube> (how many
years has network transparency/RAID56 been in 'It's coming
Soon(tm)' state)
L554[19:35:15] <20kdc> Ok,
the print spooler can go (everybody's on CUPS and that seems to
work well enough), but... you probably get the point
<20kdc> Ok,
the print spooler can go (everybody's on CUPS and that seems to
work well enough), but... you probably get the pointL555[19:35:42] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
btrfs raid5 and 6 is stable and safe, appatently
L556[19:35:49] <20kdc>
things like geometric primitives are rather useful to save
bandwidth, though granted I doubt GTK+ would ever use them
<20kdc>
things like geometric primitives are rather useful to save
bandwidth, though granted I doubt GTK+ would ever use themL557[19:35:50] <CompanionCube>
source?
L558[19:36:29] <CompanionCube> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID56
doesn't inspire confidence
L559[19:37:05] *
Izaya pages dequbed
L560[19:45:02] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1542300214674.jpg
L561[19:45:35] <Wuerfel_21>
also, AFAIK some wayland servers inexplicably can't decorate
windows, so you get lots of fun, ranging from odd looking
decorations to no decorations at all
<Wuerfel_21>
also, AFAIK some wayland servers inexplicably can't decorate
windows, so you get lots of fun, ranging from odd looking
decorations to no decorations at allL562[19:47:33] <ZefTheFox>
So power is out here, and one of the main highways of pa has
powerlines down on it and is closed
<ZefTheFox>
So power is out here, and one of the main highways of pa has
powerlines down on it and is closedL563[19:47:45] <Izaya> Gee I wonder which
ones those are
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L570[20:16:43] <20kdc>
Wuerfel\_21: It's less "inexplicably" and more "some
people seem to believe in a magical land where every application
will client-side-decorate in a manner consistent with the
environment, no matter how many different frameworks that version
every 2 weeks would be involved"
<20kdc>
Wuerfel\_21: It's less "inexplicably" and more "some
people seem to believe in a magical land where every application
will client-side-decorate in a manner consistent with the
environment, no matter how many different frameworks that version
every 2 weeks would be involved"L571[20:17:50] <20kdc> some
people say Wayland doesn't *mean* client-side-decorations but the
people responsible for these wayland compositors think
otherwise
<20kdc> some
people say Wayland doesn't *mean* client-side-decorations but the
people responsible for these wayland compositors think
otherwiseL572[20:19:46] *
CompanionCube wonder how these people think SDL could decorate a
window
L573[20:20:28] <20kdc> SDL2
does have a solution for undecorated windows but it's a solution
that 1. is designed to be *opt-in* by the application and 2. thus
requires the application to cooperate
<20kdc> SDL2
does have a solution for undecorated windows but it's a solution
that 1. is designed to be *opt-in* by the application and 2. thus
requires the application to cooperateL574[20:20:59] <CompanionCube> iirc what
they have now are shitty fallback decorations
L575[20:21:06] <20kdc> the
thing is, windows decorated by the Wayland server are *technically*
described by an extension last I heard
<20kdc> the
thing is, windows decorated by the Wayland server are *technically*
described by an extension last I heardL576[20:21:22] <CompanionCube> and then
supporting KDE's protocol for actually good decorations
L577[20:21:33] <20kdc> ^
that
<20kdc> ^
thatL578[20:23:22] <CompanionCube> GNOME on
the other hand seem to not give a fuck because CSD all the
things.
L579[20:24:32] <20kdc>
GNOME's approach to Wayland is a perfect storm of disaster.
Wayland's compositor architecture was already asking for *inherent*
- I repeat, *inherent* instability because if the compositor goes
down your windows go down with it (less of a problem with X11
because the X server was stable & didn't take unnecessary
risks)
<20kdc>
GNOME's approach to Wayland is a perfect storm of disaster.
Wayland's compositor architecture was already asking for *inherent*
- I repeat, *inherent* instability because if the compositor goes
down your windows go down with it (less of a problem with X11
because the X server was stable & didn't take unnecessary
risks)L580[20:25:01] <20kdc> then
they add their Javascript+C-object-oriented-but-badly stuff to
it
<20kdc> then
they add their Javascript+C-object-oriented-but-badly stuff to
itL581[20:25:24] <20kdc>
essentially, the results are... what you'd expect
<20kdc>
essentially, the results are... what you'd expectL582[20:26:49] <20kdc> a
desktop environment with no recovery mechanism *at all* for a
compositor built on a stack of cards
<20kdc> a
desktop environment with no recovery mechanism *at all* for a
compositor built on a stack of cardsL583[20:27:04] <20kdc>
unless things have changed recently with their implementation of
Wayland (some sort of proxy maybe)
<20kdc>
unless things have changed recently with their implementation of
Wayland (some sort of proxy maybe)L584[20:37:59]
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L585[20:38:36] <arketec> +payonel thanks,
thats good news, looking forward to it
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L588[21:04:44] <ZefTheFox>
My favorite number is `math.huge`
<ZefTheFox>
My favorite number is `math.huge`L589[21:08:01] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
huh
L590[21:08:14] <CompanionCube> Haiku got a
small hotpicks article in the latest Linux Format
L591[21:19:56] <Izaya> Oh?
L592[21:44:05] <CompanionCube> yep
L593[21:44:13] <CompanionCube> about the
recent release
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L600[23:08:10] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER:
set up ZNC network for fuel rats IRC
L601[23:13:26] <payonel> %tonk
L602[23:13:26] <MichiBot> payonel! You
beat MGR's previous record of 8 hours, 14 minutes and 22 seconds! I
hope you're happy!
L603[23:13:27] <MichiBot> payonel's new
record is 9 hours, 12 minutes and 34 seconds
L604[23:14:02] <payonel> Michiyo: i'd like
to trade my points for cash, thanks
L605[23:14:53] <payonel> btw, what's the
difference between Mimiru and Michiyo ?
L606[23:14:57] <payonel> Izaya: poke
L607[23:15:10] <Izaya> ey
L608[23:15:32] <payonel> i didn't have
anything to say, really
L609[23:15:35] <payonel> just poking
L610[23:15:53] <Mimiru> I'm Michiyo
L611[23:15:56] <Mimiru> and that's
Mimiru
L612[23:16:04] <payonel> :P
L613[23:16:36] <payonel> do you feel like
Mimiru some days, and like Michiyo other days?
L614[23:16:56] <Mimiru> Michiyo is me on
my server that I have access to from work
L615[23:17:05] <Izaya> payonel: was
considering writing a lib to resolve ports to protocol names and
vice versa
L616[23:17:07] <Izaya> thoughts?
L617[23:17:13] <Mimiru> I don't use the
bouncer cause it kept me from seeing scrollback when my desktop
disconnects
L618[23:17:28] <payonel> Mimiru: ah
L619[23:18:10] <payonel> Izaya: would
protocols be self describing? like, you ping a port and query its
interface?
L620[23:18:22] <Izaya> no like it's just
data
L621[23:18:42] <Izaya> ports.minitel[70] =
"FRequest"
L622[23:19:56] <payonel> that is not
structured the way i would have guessed
L623[23:20:19] <Izaya> top level would be
OC ports
L624[23:20:53] <Izaya> so ports[4096] =
"minitel", for example, but ports.minitel[4096] would be
whatever minitel stack protocol uses ports 4096
L625[23:22:06] <payonel> "whatever
minitel stack protocol uses ports 4096"
L626[23:22:09] <payonel> can you explain
that to me
L627[23:22:25] <Izaya> minitel has ports
but minitel itself works on port 4096 (unless you intentionally
change it)
L628[23:22:51] <Izaya> ie FRequest runs on
Minitel port 70 but the Minitel packets go over OC port 4096
L629[23:23:08] <payonel> is "minitel
port 70" not the same as port 70?
L630[23:23:35] <Izaya> if you grab the
modem_message event the port field is 4096
L631[23:24:10] <payonel> so minitel ports
are virtual ports?
L632[23:24:12] <Izaya> yeah
L633[23:24:19] <payonel> why call them
ports? is that normal (irl) ?
L634[23:24:35] <Izaya> they can also be
strings
L635[23:24:58] <Izaya> using virtual ports
as part of the protocol has two big advantages:
L636[23:25:09] <payonel> i understand the
benefits
L637[23:25:09] <Izaya> a) T1 wireless
cards work fine because Minitel only uses one port
L638[23:25:17] <payonel> just the name is
... not what i would have guessed
L639[23:25:18] <Izaya> oh okay
L640[23:25:28] <Izaya> it was originally
intended to be a protocol string
L641[23:25:29] <payonel> like, i might
have called it a channel
L642[23:25:42] <Izaya> but due to reasons
I can't remember the specifics of it ended up as numbers
L643[23:25:55] <payonel> or...just a
datagram type (with a type-id)
L644[23:26:09] <payonel> sure
L645[23:26:11] <Izaya> ah, but there's a
separate packet type field :^)
L646[23:26:25] <Izaya> (unreliable,
reliable, or reliable acknowledgement)
L647[23:27:44] *
CompanionCube forgot to tonk and then payonel took the record
:(
L648[23:28:15] <Izaya> but uh, iunno, I
thought it'd be useful
L649[23:28:22] <Izaya> there's like 8
different projects for recording used ports
L650[23:28:33] <payonel> what other
protocols are there? oh okay
L651[23:30:26] <Izaya> pull in all the
data from them, have them as tables backing the main one
L652[23:31:18] <Izaya> throw in nmap's
favorite 1000 ports as a last resort
L653[23:31:57] <Izaya> could even throw
together a nice webpage with searching in
L654[23:38:18] <payonel> hmm, i would just
want to know what services/drivers my machine currently
understands/can use
L655[23:39:01] <Izaya> so you can ask
"hey what programs on this box know how to talk to
x"?
L656[23:39:45] <payonel> or, ping the
network for available protocols
L657[23:40:12] <Izaya> a service for
asking what services are running on the machine?
L658[23:40:18] <Izaya> so you can say
"
L659[23:40:27] <Izaya> "hey ask x
host what it's running"?
L660[23:40:35] <payonel> yes, both
L661[23:40:39] <payonel> local check, and
broadcast query
L662[23:40:46] <payonel> i mean, those are
two separate things of course
L663[23:40:55] <Izaya> an interesting
idea
L664[23:40:57] <payonel> but i'm saying,
that type of descorvery is valuable
L665[23:41:05] <payonel> discovery*
L666[23:41:40] <Izaya> you could have a
service that allows other programs to register that they host x
service
L667[23:42:21] <Izaya> have it queryable
over the network also