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L4[02:06:43] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> I guess I will need a separate discode channel sometime later. (for OpenPython)
L5[02:06:56] <Izaya> everything else OC is in #oc
L6[02:06:59] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> But now is the time to build an operating system. T_T
L7[02:07:06] <Izaya> and then you'd have to set up another IRC channel and bridge that
L8[02:07:23] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> Aha
L9[02:07:33] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> every discord channel tunneled with irc channel?
L10[02:07:37] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> liek #oc-js ?
L11[02:07:44] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> *like
L12[02:07:47] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> like #oc-js ? [Edited]
L13[02:07:47] <Izaya> I didn't know there was an oc-js
L14[02:07:56] <Izaya> Guess not.
L15[02:08:25] <Izaya> Either way, you're shutting out IRC users if you do that, which not only includes tinfoil hatters like me, but anyone ingame
L16[02:10:10] <Izaya> besides, it's not like this place is full of on-topic chat most of the time anyway
L17[02:10:13] <Izaya> hey that reminds me
L18[02:10:30] <Izaya> the micropython arch shows MIPS as the platform, right?
L19[02:10:44] <Izaya> oh
L20[02:10:48] <Izaya> Cortex-M0, not MIPS
L21[02:10:50] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> seeing
L22[02:10:56] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> yes, different arch
L23[02:11:05] <Izaya> https://oc.cil.li/uploads/monthly_2018_10/2018-10-18_23_17_53.png.720ef985e9ac6c3a451aac8b52db3ba6.png
L24[02:11:15] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> Yes?
L25[02:11:25] <Izaya> intentional or?
L26[02:11:32] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> I made it, but frankly I still have a lot of shortcomings.
L27[02:11:44] <Izaya> I assume it's not actually emulating an ARM chip because the access to components seemed pretty natural
L28[02:11:47] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> Yes, interpreter only.
L29[02:12:07] <Izaya> alright, so just a graphical thing
L30[02:12:09] <Izaya> was curious
L31[02:12:20] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> cursor not blinking
L32[02:12:22] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> know
L33[02:12:38] <Izaya> cursor doesn't blink on my OS :D
L34[02:12:45] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> It's just working! But not perfectly.
L35[02:13:31] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> I have not yet decided what to do with the API design.
L36[02:13:34] <Izaya> https://static.mastodon.technology/media_attachments/files/001/595/316/original/7d659483a554aa27.png
L37[02:13:39] * Izaya laughs in coroutine
L38[02:14:26] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> Hmm..
L39[02:23:07] <Kleadron> How did you get the colored monitors
L40[02:25:07] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> lzaya: ?
L41[02:27:55] <Izaya> can I suggest switching to a font that differentiates between lowercase Ls and capital is
L42[02:28:02] <Izaya> but anyway
L43[02:28:04] <Izaya> dye
L44[02:29:05] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> maybe you need change hex font?
L45[02:29:18] <Izaya> no I mean you
L46[02:29:29] <Izaya> my name has a capital i at the start, not a lowercase L
L47[02:29:34] <Izaya> I'm saying you should use a different font
L48[02:29:52] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> aha
L49[02:29:57] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> sorry but i can't change
L50[02:30:05] <Izaya> oh right, no freedom
L51[02:30:07] <Izaya> >.>
L52[02:30:16] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> ok Izaya
L53[02:30:18] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> done [?
L54[02:30:27] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> now i will remember you
L55[02:30:34] <Izaya> :P
L56[02:30:38] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> ?
L57[02:30:44] <Izaya> this has happened with several users and it's kinda funny
L58[02:31:03] <Izaya> bad choice of fonts on the part of your client's developers
L59[02:31:04] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> IlIlIlIlIlIlIl
L60[02:31:31] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> http://tinyurl.com/ycstqa8a
L61[02:31:37] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> looks like this
L62[02:31:56] <Izaya> one's slightly shorter than the other
L63[02:32:01] <Izaya> great differentiation
L64[02:32:03] <Izaya> 10/10
L65[02:32:14] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> in my editor
L66[02:32:14] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> http://tinyurl.com/yah9a4oh
L67[02:32:23] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> 1.0
L68[02:32:26] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> 1.0/1.0
L69[02:32:27] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> 100%
L70[02:32:27] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/9NuseSf.png
L71[02:32:35] <Kleadron> jesus christ you use white theme
L72[02:32:43] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> yes?
L73[02:32:50] <Izaya> nothing wrong with a light theme in a well-lit room
L74[02:32:54] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> i like dark but use white theme
L75[02:32:54] <Izaya> and/or outside
L76[02:33:09] <Izaya> bonus points: switch themes based on time of day
L77[02:33:30] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> I work in a bright spot, so when I use the dark editor I see my face ...
L78[02:33:48] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> It is daytime now. (KST: GMT +9)
L79[02:42:25] <Izaya> at one point I had my laptop set up to switch to a dark gtk theme between 5PM and 7AM, and light the rest of the time
L80[02:42:49] <Izaya> so the whole system would go dark at 5, it was pretty good
L81[02:43:04] <Izaya> never managed to convince my browser to switch on stylish at the same time though :|
L82[02:43:24] <Kleadron> http://tinyurl.com/y7ladowg
L83[02:43:52] <Izaya> I used to have my HDDs with space ship icons
L84[02:43:53] <Izaya> that was neat
L85[02:44:50] <Kleadron> im copying 200 gigabytes of crap onto it
L86[02:45:02] <Kleadron> its my old hard drive that used to have windows 10 on it
L87[02:45:06] <Kleadron> but it broke
L88[02:45:17] <Kleadron> the installation broke not the drive itself
L89[02:45:24] <Izaya> oh I was gonna say
L90[02:45:45] * Izaya would definitely know nothing about using dying drives for storage, no sir
L91[02:46:02] <Kleadron> hell no
L92[02:46:12] <Kleadron> unless its an old computer you dont give a shit about
L93[02:46:31] <Izaya> in my case it was steam library and windows install
L94[02:46:36] <Izaya> neither of which are worth anything
L95[02:46:47] <Izaya> any actual data went on the file server
L96[02:47:08] <Izaya> (as it turns out, Windows 7 Ultimate and 8.1 Embedded did have an advantage over pro: NFS support)
L97[02:47:16] <Kleadron> i found a meme graveyard on it and i had to copy it off of there
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L104[04:28:48] <Lizzy> Skye, dequbed it would seem that the thing to pause if there's less than 2 active clients didn't work
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L109[05:55:51] <dequbed> Izaya: Wait. Does Discord really fail so fucking hard that you can't read 'Illinois' in their font? Even Microsoft manages that.
L110[05:56:02] <Izaya> By the looks :D
L111[05:56:09] <dequbed> Oh god -.-
L112[05:56:24] <Izaya> And of course, you can't configure the only client you're allowed to use according to the EULA
L113[05:56:56] <dequbed> Yeah, just don' use discord in the first place?
L114[05:57:21] <Izaya> that approach works well for me
L115[05:57:32] <Izaya> apparently some people are too distracted by the shiny to realise it's shit though
L116[05:58:03] <dequbed> Lizzy: *doing a Robbin William voice* what year is it?!
L117[05:58:13] <Lizzy> 1941
L118[05:58:18] <dequbed> Oh okay.
L119[05:59:06] <Lizzy> i woke up this morning and it didn't pause for some reason
L120[06:01:21] <Lizzy> also all my track is electric now
L121[06:03:07] <dequbed> Izaya: I mean if you look at it there are actually very few clients that can do as much as Discord does, especially as one monolithic package, fewer of those are (basically) zero-conf and even fewer still have free or even cheap externally hosted options.
L122[06:03:42] <Izaya> you're not wrong
L123[06:03:50] <Izaya> but it doesn't change the fact it's trash
L124[06:04:44] <dequbed> Izaya: Yes, not my point. But there are actual reasons to use discord beside "shiny".
L125[06:06:19] * Lizzy should really be getting ready to go out for a family meal
L126[06:19:22] <Kodos> Anyone remember the stacks on stacks mod that was in 1.12
L127[06:19:30] <Kodos> the name of the new one, rather
L128[06:32:49] <MichiBot> Mimiru REMINDER: >
L129[06:39:02] <Izaya> do we have idlerpg
L130[06:39:04] <Izaya> >
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L133[07:12:48] <Kodos> !tonk
L134[07:12:54] <Kodos> %tonk
L135[07:12:55] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Kodos, you were not able to beat asie's record of 3 weeks, 6 days, 15 hours, 4 minutes and 38 seconds this time.
L136[07:12:56] <MichiBot> 1 day, 5 hours, 8 minutes and 59 seconds were wasted!
L137[07:13:02] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> %기잇
L138[07:13:03] <Kodos> Welp
L139[07:13:12] <Kodos> Right, so
L140[07:13:16] <Kodos> Does anyone have Forestry's discord
L141[07:13:34] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> % rotate from 응
L142[07:14:20] <Inari> Heh
L143[07:20:56] <Kodos> Hokay, this is a neat modpack now
L144[07:22:58] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> %tonk
L145[07:23:03] <Vexatos> @Kodos you still need the forestry discord?
L146[07:23:08] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> !tonk
L147[07:23:17] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> ?
L148[07:23:33] <Temia> Mooooo
L149[07:23:42] <Temia> Delete discord
L150[07:23:56] * AmandaC lays on Temia's tail, bats at it playfully when it twitches
L151[07:24:20] * Temia eeps and flicks her tailtuft o.o
L152[07:24:21] <Kodos> Thanks Vex ❤
L153[07:26:30] <vifino> good day, people.
L154[07:26:42] <Inari> Temia: But why
L155[07:26:57] <Temia> Deleeeeeete
L156[07:27:00] <Inari> AmandaC: Now, now, Temia might smell ike beef, but she's not there to be eaten
L157[07:27:20] <AmandaC> I didn't say anything about eating her, just laying on her tail because it's amusing and twitchy!
L158[07:27:57] <Temia> I'm okay with my tail being a cat toy >.>
L159[07:28:12] <vifino> .. toy?
L160[07:28:36] <Temia> Uh-oh
L161[07:28:51] <Temia> Catboy's getting the zoomies <<
L162[07:28:54] * AmandaC hisses at vifino "Mine!"
L163[07:29:00] * Temia tailflicks
L164[07:30:48] <vifino> .-.
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L166[07:31:44] * AmandaC gets bored of the tail, flops across Temia's lap instead, yawns
L167[07:32:09] <AmandaC> I wish I knew why my head feels so congested
L168[07:33:13] * Temia petpets
L169[07:33:24] <Kodos> https://puu.sh/BOAX9/f7b32778e3.png Crate of cakes anyone?
L170[07:33:39] <Corded> * <20kdc> nabs a cake
L171[07:33:55] <Corded> * <20kdc> runs off to evade death-by-Kodos
L172[07:34:06] <vifino> ooo that's a lot of cake
L173[07:34:12] * AmandaC steals the crate while kodos is occupied.
L174[07:34:41] <Kodos> This is a really neat mod tbh
L175[07:34:43] <Temia> Amanda took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible
L176[07:34:52] <AmandaC> D:
L177[07:35:42] <Kodos> There's 64 cakes, minus the one 20 nabbed
L178[07:35:44] <AmandaC> %choose laundry or psycopathic lesbians
L179[07:35:44] <MichiBot> AmandaC: The proof is in the pudding. Definitely psycopathic lesbians.
L180[07:36:17] <vifino> lol
L181[07:45:44] <20kdc> *mumbles 'I will be back...'* http://tinyurl.com/ychlj8om
L182[07:47:59] <Inari> Wat
L183[07:54:56] <20kdc> ...the plan is simple! Flying saucers that are totally unlike hastily remodelled Drones to abduct cakes.
L184[07:55:07] <Saphire> Oh
L185[08:01:59] <Lizzian> Meep meep
L186[08:03:01] <Skye> Beep boop
L187[08:03:11] <Skye> AmandaC: what are psychopathic lesbians? O_o
L188[08:03:22] <Kodos> Also we need Microblocks CBE support for cables in 1.12
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L190[08:11:42] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> Microblocks in Minecraft modding
L191[08:11:52] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> https://xkcd.com/927/
L192[08:11:53] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Standards Posted on: 7/20/2011
L193[08:11:58] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> I like that
L194[08:21:46] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Does anyone have a program that allows a microcontroller detect a redstone signal to control a device?
L195[08:22:05] <Izaya> 20kdc: it amazes me you bothered to add a copyright to that
L196[08:30:05] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Um where can I go to find a program that can do this for me?
L197[08:38:57] <Kodos> @FullMetalJuggernaut The microcontroller example program found on the Youtube video should be easy enough to edit to do this
L198[08:39:12] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Please link it
L199[08:39:13] <Kodos> Keeping in mind that microcontrollers can't access external components, however
L200[08:39:48] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I am using my computer to program the stupid thing
L201[08:39:59] <Kodos> What are you wanting to control with the uC
L202[08:40:04] <Kodos> (uC is microcontroller)
L203[08:40:35] <FullMetalJuggernaut> A mekanism energy cube to only discharge power at night
L204[08:41:00] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Also I need help using the irc client on my computer
L205[08:41:53] <FullMetalJuggernaut> http://tinyurl.com/y92anbgk
L206[08:42:18] <MGR> the second argument doesn't have to be []
L207[08:42:37] <MGR> And the port isn't all 5's
L208[08:42:45] <Kodos> Yeah, I don't think you can use a uC to control the energy cube, as that would be an external component
L209[08:42:53] <Forecaster> the [] means those arguments are optional
L210[08:43:26] <Forecaster> it should connect to esper by default
L211[08:43:39] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Ok I will take that off
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L213[08:44:20] <mariojug> Test
L214[08:44:25] <Forecaster> Hi
L215[08:44:28] <mariojug> Hey it worked
L216[08:44:32] <Forecaster> yep
L217[08:44:59] <mariojug> I'm literally on the internet in minecraft
L218[08:45:07] <Forecaster> mhm
L219[08:45:25] <mariojug> I need to change screens also
L220[08:45:28] <Inari> Or are you?
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L222[08:45:54] <mariojug> tier 3 mangles the text on a 1366+768 screen
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L224[08:46:50] <Inari> You could probably just change resolution?
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L226[08:47:47] <mariojug> Well, I just finished changing the screen
L227[08:48:05] <Inari> You could probably just change resolution?
L228[08:48:13] <mariojug> Wait you could do that?
L229[08:48:16] <mariojug> how?
L230[08:48:28] <Forecaster> resolution <width> <height>
L231[08:48:59] <mariojug> so I need to change screens again?
L232[08:49:29] <Forecaster> if you want
L233[08:49:30] <Inari> Well you don't need to
L234[08:49:31] <Forecaster> I dunno
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L236[08:50:05] <mariojug> a biger screen is nice
L237[08:50:15] <mariojug> sorry have to log out for the second time
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L240[08:51:29] <mariojug> Sorry for the spam
L241[08:52:40] <mariojug> also for 1366*768 what is the optimal resolution for the tier 3 monitor?
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L243[08:57:04] <mariojug> resolution 1280 720
L244[08:57:31] <mariojug> exit
L245[08:57:45] <Inari> Um
L246[08:57:54] <Inari> OC monitors don't have that kinda resolution :D
L247[08:58:14] <mariojug> well please tell me the resolution I need to use
L248[08:58:22] <Kodos> 160x50 is the max for a T3 screen
L249[08:58:27] <Inari> No clue, try around? but the resoltuion is in columns and rows
L250[08:58:30] <Inari> Not in pixels
L251[08:58:55] <Kodos> Also typing your resolution in IRC isn't going to do much ?
L252[08:58:57] <mariojug> I seriously need to get a gui for this ting
L253[08:59:30] <Inari> I think they realised that much
L254[08:59:34] <Inari> Thats why they typed exit after
L255[08:59:35] <Inari> :p
L256[08:59:51] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L257[08:59:51] * MichiBot pets AmandaC with a devouress. 6 health gained!
L258[09:00:15] <mariojug> I did.
L259[09:00:22] <mariojug> Also I'm a he.
L260[09:01:02] <mariojug> so how do I close the program?
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L262[09:01:25] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Just learnt it's Ctrl+d
L263[09:01:33] <Inari> Is itn ot ctrl-alt-c?
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L265[09:02:28] <Izaya> ctrl-d is still EOF
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L269[09:08:20] <gamerred> guys is it possible to have 2 computers accessing the same adaptor?
L270[09:09:18] <Forecaster> not without them also sharing every other component
L271[09:09:25] <MGR> ^
L272[09:10:09] <gamerred> ah well I just want 1 program that runs to auto craft ae like I got now and 1 that does exporting only ores. that possible?
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L274[09:10:27] <Kodos> Why not just set up export buses
L275[09:10:30] <mariojugger> I am back on my minecraft computer
L276[09:10:56] <gamerred> yeah I want a function that controls export bus so I got 1 export bus for like 30 ores instead of 1 per 9
L277[09:12:24] <Kodos> Hm, I'd have swore you could set up oredict filters on buses
L278[09:12:27] <Kodos> I could be wrong
L279[09:12:31] <gamerred> basically my goal is it will output say all copper ores except the one thats already correct>convert it>import back
L280[09:12:53] <Kodos> Ahh, what other mods are you using? Some mods offer a method of unifying ores into a single type
L281[09:13:31] <gamerred> yeah I got 2 mods to add a machine to oredict them to the right 1 and trying to set up a automation system for them
L282[09:15:08] <gamerred> I also want it to be computer controlled so I can have a screen that does like it tells ya what its doing ?
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L284[09:20:48] <gamerred> besides the default ae dont do oredict matching
L285[09:21:41] <gamerred> hey anyone know how to use the open computers ae api on export bus I am confused on what it says?
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L287[09:22:50] <gamerred> I just dont know what it means by database:address, entry:number
L288[09:23:06] <Forecaster> it means it wants a database upgrade
L289[09:23:36] <Forecaster> and you have to provide it with the databases address (uuid) and the number of the entry inside the database you want to match
L290[09:23:42] <Forecaster> which you'll have set previously
L291[09:24:06] <gamerred> ah great then that means I gotta learn database management from it then
L292[09:24:15] <Forecaster> ~oc databse
L293[09:24:15] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/component:database
L294[09:25:22] <gamerred> can you use that to select certain items like in this case ores?
L295[09:25:42] <Forecaster> no, it's a specific item
L296[09:25:51] <Forecaster> so a specific ore block from a specific mod
L297[09:26:44] <gamerred> I mean like name ic2:resource with damage value of 1 can I do that?
L298[09:26:52] <Forecaster> dunno
L299[09:26:58] <gamerred> in that case thats copper ore
L300[09:30:45] <gamerred> so I can connect 2 computers on 1 network? just cause there is 2 adaptors both requires and 1 of them is on the same network?
L301[09:32:12] <Forecaster> if you have two computers on the same network and don't have a router between them they'll share all componetns
L302[09:32:26] <Forecaster> what that will do is fill up the component limit on both computers very quickly
L303[09:32:30] <Forecaster> likely resulting in errors
L304[09:33:27] <gamerred> so either I do it that way or I attach a 2nd adaptor to in this my me controller since I need to get data from that then?
L305[09:33:44] <Forecaster> probably yeah
L306[09:34:36] <gamerred> that or I can find a way to make it 1 program with 2 diff screens lol
L307[09:35:23] <gamerred> cause I want screen A is whats being crafted while screen B is whats being exported
L308[09:38:16] <gamerred> in the snippet I see if db.get(dbSlot).label can I do like instead of how they show it change it to detect its its instead copper ore or what not?
L309[09:44:48] <gamerred> hmm found something that might help with what I am trying to achieve
L310[09:45:34] <gamerred> ae has store for database so I am guessing I can mix it with that to do what I wanna achieve
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L315[10:27:29] <Z0idburg> Ok guys
L316[10:27:32] <Z0idburg> https://clbin.com/rWb8z
L317[10:27:41] <Z0idburg> I just generated this using a perl script I wrote in like a minute
L318[10:27:51] <Z0idburg> whats so cool about this ?
L319[10:27:56] <Z0idburg> if anyone can guess
L320[10:28:37] <Z0idburg> they aren't just words
L321[10:34:17] <Inari> Looks like morse code made by someone who doesn't understand morse code
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L323[10:37:23] <Inari> (i.e. no space between letters)
L324[10:43:30] <Z0idburg> The lack of space is on purpose Inari
L325[10:43:57] <Z0idburg> my program removes them
L326[10:44:04] <Z0idburg> to make it easier to find something
L327[10:44:13] <Z0idburg> and yes it is morse code
L328[10:45:08] <mariojug> That's pretty cool. Also I'm pretty much getting ready to raid a woodland mansion
L329[10:46:02] <Z0idburg> I made an inari friendly one
L330[10:46:04] <Z0idburg> https://clbin.com/g3gOr
L331[10:46:18] <Z0idburg> What it is is that all f these words are palindromes in morse code
L332[10:47:38] <Z0idburg> nvm it didnt upload the right one
L333[10:47:51] <Z0idburg> https://clbin.com/pbUuT
L334[10:47:54] <Z0idburg> there inari friendly ^
L335[10:49:14] <Z0idburg> oh hey poop is a palindrome in both morse code and the english alphabet
L336[10:58:43] <Forecaster> dammit
L337[10:58:58] <Forecaster> why does VLC keep starting with the video output as a separate window from the main one
L338[11:05:31] <20kdc> Forecaster: There's an option to enable/disable that.
L339[11:05:46] <20kdc> It's in...
L340[11:06:06] <20kdc> "Preferences/Integrate video in interface", I think.
L341[11:07:37] <20kdc> Enabling it should get rid of the separate window. I think. It's a bit of a weirdly written option name.
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L343[11:12:29] <Forecaster> that's already enabled
L344[11:12:38] <Forecaster> it's doing it randomly
L345[11:12:49] <Forecaster> closing it and re-opening has it open it normally
L346[11:12:53] <Forecaster> it's annoying
L347[11:15:53] <mariojug> is there a program that can give you a precise location for a woodland mansion?
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L350[11:24:41] <Inari> https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/9p5uyp/latest_tos_update_revokes_your_right_to_sue/
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L353[11:40:28] <Z0idburg> Unfortunately Inari that's not valid in the United states and no matter the policy / terms of service / contracts if something happens such that the us court system determines is unethical then discords policy means nothing.
L354[11:40:32] <Z0idburg> so yes, you can sue them.
L355[11:40:49] <Inari> It is valid
L356[11:42:02] <Z0idburg> The thing is Inary this has been done before and the turnout was not good for the other end
L357[11:42:45] <Z0idburg> It pretty much ended up in a demonstration of federal power over corporate terms of service
L358[11:43:41] <Inari> Link?
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L360[11:55:41] <Z0idburg> It's just how US law works. Yes, what they are doing is legal. However, it is always suceptable to federal decision. Even if you give up your rights on paper, you can still approach them legally. We've talked about that in some of our POS classes
L361[11:56:42] <Z0idburg> the Us system works on a basis of claims and complaints
L362[11:58:11] <Z0idburg> I wish I could find a place to plug in my caller ID
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L364[12:24:43] <ZefTheFox> so I've got a machine with windows 3.1 on it
L365[12:24:55] <ZefTheFox> and I think I'm going to use some accounting programs on it
L366[12:24:56] <ZefTheFox> lol
L367[12:38:18] <nxsupert> Just a quick question , who made the corded bot?
L368[12:45:46] <Forecaster> .source
L369[12:45:53] <Forecaster> .info
L370[12:53:44] <vifino> Michiyo, presumably.
L371[13:17:31] <Inari> @Z0idburg but the supreme court seems to thikn its fine
L372[13:21:40] <Mimiru> @nxsupert Originally DV8FromTheWorld, I took his bot and modified the hell out of it though
L373[13:26:17] <nxsupert> Ah. I was just wondering how the nicknames were changed for each message and stayed changed.
L374[13:26:26] <nxsupert> discord side
L375[13:33:43] <Forecaster> Webhook
L376[13:45:33] <Bob> Webhook feature in server management
L377[13:45:52] <Bob> usefull for connecting forums / irc to discord
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L379[13:50:49] <kpk123> кому окна нужны?
L380[13:50:59] <Forecaster> English
L381[13:51:05] <kpk123> тебе окна?
L382[13:51:14] <Forecaster> %translate кому окна нужны?
L383[13:51:15] <MichiBot> who needs Windows?
L384[13:51:22] <Forecaster> %translate тебе окна?
L385[13:51:23] <MichiBot> You window?
L386[13:51:27] <MGR> Is that Russian?
L387[13:51:37] <Forecaster> dunno, maybe
L388[13:52:01] <MGR> I believe it's Cyrillic, so it has to be Russian or a related language
L389[13:52:04] <kpk123> ладно, я думаю тут никому окна не нужны
L390[13:52:07] <kpk123> до свидания
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L392[13:52:27] <Forecaster> %translate ладно, я думаю тут никому окна не нужны,
L393[13:52:28] <Forecaster> до свидания
L394[13:52:28] <MichiBot> Okay, I think anyone here do not need Windows
L395[13:52:45] <MGR> Potentially a bot
L396[13:52:48] <Forecaster> %translate до свидания
L397[13:52:49] <MichiBot> Good bye
L398[13:52:59] <Forecaster> I think it was a spammer basically
L399[13:53:00] <Forecaster> bot or not
L400[13:53:05] <MGR> Yep
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L404[14:07:06] <Inari> Nuu
L405[14:07:12] <Inari> whatanime.ga is down
L406[14:07:16] <Inari> %pet AmandaC furiously
L407[14:07:16] * MichiBot brushes AmandaC furiously with romantic fireworks. 9 health gained!
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L411[15:09:11] <Vexatos> Lizzy, may I ask why this channel is +s?
L412[15:09:22] <Vexatos> Pretty sure that wasn't the case two weeks ago
L413[15:09:26] <Lizzy> idk, i didn't set that
L414[15:09:30] *** Lizzy sets mode: -s
L415[15:09:55] <Vexatos> There we go, 10th largest public channel on esper again :3
L416[15:11:36] <Vexatos> (esper really is tiny)
L417[15:16:49] <Inari> Heh
L418[15:18:38] <Inari> Michiyo: 2081-01-04.log and 2017-12-29.log of #ocadmin are broken :<
L419[15:29:23] <Inari> Hrm, I'm bored
L420[15:30:14] <Inari> Interesting, thats the first time in a while I've felt bored
L421[15:30:20] <Inari> Feels good
L422[15:30:25] <Inari> i mean, it doesn't
L423[15:30:30] <Inari> But better than being stressed or so
L424[15:30:31] <Inari> :D
L425[15:33:17] <vifino> 2081 seems to be in the future, no?
L426[15:35:03] <Inari> *2018
L427[15:35:14] <Inari> %fling vifino
L428[15:35:15] * MichiBot flings a pawprint stamp in a random direction. It hits vifino on the left hand. They take 5 damage.
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L430[15:38:37] <mariojug> okay how do I change the network for the irc
L431[15:38:43] <mariojug> like from esper to freenode
L432[15:39:06] <Inari> Buy the DLC
L433[15:39:29] <MGR> You enter a different IP into the program's startup
L434[15:39:43] <mariojug> can you list an example?
L435[15:40:21] <MGR> Freenode's IP?
L436[15:43:11] <Izaya> don't need to put in an IP, just a hostname of some sort
L437[15:43:44] <MGR> Yeah
L438[15:43:56] <Izaya> so chat.freenode.net should work
L439[15:44:39] <Inari> What does IP even stand for
L440[15:45:03] <Inari> Ah right
L441[15:45:06] <mariojug> okay
L442[15:45:16] <mariojug> brb
L443[15:45:17] <Inari> It would usually be IP Address, but most people leave the second part out
L444[15:45:20] <Inari> Makes more sense
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L447[15:47:44] <mariojug> oka I got something
L448[15:48:32] <mariojug> But I had issues with the username since you know, I didn't put int one.
L449[16:04:35] <Sezze> I have an angel upgrade on my robot but robot.place() still doesn't work. A bug or am I misunderstanding something?
L450[16:05:21] <MGR> Does it work when the robot is placing atop another block?
L451[16:05:32] <Sezze> Yup, but not in mid air
L452[16:05:52] <Sezze> I have checked that I do indeed have an angel upgrade
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L454[16:07:37] <MGR> That's interesting
L455[16:07:39] <MGR> ~w angel
L456[16:07:39] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/item:angel_upgrade
L457[16:07:53] <MGR> It *should* work
L458[16:08:03] <MGR> Does it happen everywhere in midair or only in one spot?
L459[16:08:15] <Sezze> Everywhere, both with place and placeDown
L460[16:08:25] <Sezze> It returns false, no other explanation
L461[16:08:56] <MGR> ?
L462[16:09:06] <Sezze> Bug? ?
L463[16:09:06] <MGR> Try making another robot with an angel upgrade?
L464[16:09:18] <Sezze> I'll give it a try
L465[16:09:25] <MGR> Just trying to rule out if it's that robot that is bugged or something else
L466[16:10:56] * Temia adds a creative Angel upgrade. [THE BEAST INTENSIFIES]
L467[16:12:10] <Sezze> Nope did not work ?
L468[16:12:42] <logan2611> what version?
L469[16:13:00] <MGR> Interesting
L470[16:13:04] <MGR> What's your OC version?
L471[16:13:15] <MGR> What block are you trying to place?
L472[16:13:18] <Sezze> 1.7.2.67 mc 1.12.2
L473[16:13:26] <Sezze> trying to place wool
L474[16:13:48] <Sezze> just tested two other materials, so none seem to work
L475[16:14:01] <MGR> Try pulling all the other mods from your modpack and testing with just OC
L476[16:14:08] <MGR> Maybe it's some form of weird interaction
L477[16:14:14] <MGR> (backup your world)
L478[16:14:47] <Sezze> I'm currently not using any other mods (other than thermal expansion for power)
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L480[16:15:37] <MGR> Huh
L481[16:15:57] <Sezze> I could try it in the modpack I'm writing the program for, it's just more lightweight to use no other mods while programming
L482[16:16:08] <Sezze> But maybe the modpack would work for some reason?
L483[16:16:15] <MGR> No, adding mods shouldn't fix it
L484[16:16:23] <MGR> I think it's a bona fide bug at this point
L485[16:16:48] <Sezze> damn, right when I was almost done with this large program I'm been working on for 3 days as well ? ?
L486[16:17:43] <Sezze> How quickly do the developer(s) react to bugs like this?
L487[16:17:57] <MGR> Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
L488[16:18:03] <MGR> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L489[16:18:06] <logan2611> 4
L490[16:18:11] <MGR> Could be pretty fast or could be a while
L491[16:18:24] <MGR> You'll get a response fairly quickly, but no clue on how long it will take to fix
L492[16:18:46] <Sezze> Where do I contact them? If it'll take an entire 4 I better do it right away
L493[16:19:15] <MGR> OC GitHub
L494[16:19:21] <MGR> Open an issue
L495[16:19:48] <Sezze> damn 206 open issues
L496[16:23:24] <Izaya> Many suggestions.
L497[16:25:59] <Sezze> True good point
L498[16:26:10] <Sezze> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2965
L499[16:26:11] <MichiBot> Title: Angel Upgrade doesn't work | Posted by: Sezze | Posted: Sun Oct 21 16:25:40 CDT 2018 | Status: open
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L501[16:28:17] <Sezze> Isn't Sangar who's online one of the developers?
L502[16:28:34] <MGR> He had to give up the mod due to lack of time
L503[16:29:37] <Sezze> Alright, well all I can do is wait then
L504[16:31:21] <MGR> ?
L505[16:31:22] <MGR> Yep
L506[16:31:36] <Sezze> can you maybe disable the build limit in the configs?
L507[16:32:00] <MGR> How high up are you trying to build?
L508[16:32:42] <Sezze> just a few blocks above ground, but I also have the flying upgrade
L509[16:35:15] <MGR> Then you should be fine
L510[16:37:14] <Sezze> can robot.use() be used to place blocks? Maybe that one works?
L511[16:37:43] <MGR> I'd try it
L512[16:38:40] <Sezze> nah didn't work..
L513[16:39:10] <MGR> Worth a shot
L514[16:39:26] <Sezze> and I can't find an option for this in the config either, that would have been a good temporary workaround
L515[16:45:20] <Sezze> Oh apparently this was known and has been fixed, it's just only available in the dev build oddly enough
L516[16:45:31] <Sezze> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2573
L517[16:45:32] <MichiBot> Title: Robot can't place blocks in the air | Posted by: Litvinosss | Posted: Sun Oct 22 10:47:06 CDT 2017 | Status: closed
L518[16:45:37] <MGR> Huh
L519[16:46:45] <Sezze> Was fixed 29 days ago but that issue was opened up a year ago, that sure took a while to fix
L520[17:10:01] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I need some help
L521[17:10:11] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Trying to change the name of a floppy disk
L522[17:10:18] <FullMetalJuggernaut> http://tinyurl.com/y933mzs8
L523[17:10:33] <FullMetalJuggernaut> ok wrong screenshot
L524[17:12:06] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I keep getting this error http://tinyurl.com/ybpfo646
L525[17:50:26] <vifino> Izaya: wake up.
L526[17:50:41] <vifino> wait, lemme summon him.
L527[17:50:46] <vifino> BEOS
L528[17:50:54] <vifino> HAIKU
L529[17:51:02] * vifino waits
L530[17:51:30] <MGR> @FullMetalJuggernaut try doing /mnt/70f
L531[17:51:57] <FullMetalJuggernaut> ok I will
L532[17:52:57] <FullMetalJuggernaut> seriously has anyone ever made a GUI os for opencomputers?
L533[17:53:30] <Izaya> vifino: am at work
L534[17:53:37] <MGR> 20kdc has made KittenOS NEO
L535[17:53:42] <MGR> I hear it's pretty good
L536[17:53:49] <FullMetalJuggernaut> ok please give me a link
L537[17:53:53] <vifino> Izaya: well at least i summoned you.
L538[17:54:04] <FullMetalJuggernaut> can I install it on the same drive as open os?
L539[17:54:09] <Izaya> always connected to the wired
L540[17:54:13] <vifino> guess no openrct2 at work?
L541[17:54:40] <MGR> @FullMetalJuggernaut You can run OpenOS as a VM inside KittenOS
L542[17:55:02] <Izaya> If you wrote some way to choose which to boot you can happily run both off the same drive
L543[17:55:47] <FullMetalJuggernaut> okay I will
L544[17:56:06] <Izaya> MGR: you can, but it's pretty flaky
L545[17:56:14] <Izaya> at present, anyway
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L547[17:57:10] <MGR> Ah
L548[17:57:40] <Izaya> events in particular cause strange issues
L549[17:58:21] <FullMetalJuggernaut> okay I found it
L550[17:58:29] <FullMetalJuggernaut> so.. how do I install it?
L551[17:58:32] <FullMetalJuggernaut> https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS
L552[18:04:27] <Izaya> put the install.lua on a drive and it'll install to that drive
L553[18:04:32] <Izaya> as init.lua
L554[18:05:17] <FullMetalJuggernaut> do I need to download the project and put it in a folder?
L555[18:05:23] <Izaya> no
L556[18:05:25] <Izaya> releases page
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L558[18:05:56] <FullMetalJuggernaut> oh so you wget?
L559[18:06:07] <Izaya> yup
L560[18:06:07] <FullMetalJuggernaut> oh so use? wget? [Edited]
L561[18:06:18] <Izaya> move your existing init.lua, then wget it to /init.lua, and reboot
L562[18:06:38] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I'm a noot at open os
L563[18:06:59] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I'm a nootbat open os so I mostl need step by step instructions [Edited]
L564[18:07:13] <Izaya> mv /init.lua /init.lua.old
L565[18:07:20] <Izaya> wget [url] /init.lua
L566[18:07:35] <FullMetalJuggernaut> okay do that in open os?
L567[18:07:44] <Izaya> yes
L568[18:07:55] <FullMetalJuggernaut> also how do I make my hardrive bigger?
L569[18:08:03] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I want to make it 10MB
L570[18:08:14] <Izaya> should be in the config file
L571[18:08:31] <FullMetalJuggernaut> so cd /config?
L572[18:08:38] <Izaya> no
L573[18:08:44] <Izaya> the OpenComputers config file in your mods folder
L574[18:08:45] <FullMetalJuggernaut> or config in wndows?
L575[18:08:48] <Izaya> that or build a RAID
L576[18:08:51] <FullMetalJuggernaut> oh I will
L577[18:09:02] <Izaya> you can get 12MB out of 3 4MB drives
L578[18:10:50] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I don't see a config file for opencomputers
L579[18:11:12] <Izaya> .minecraft/mods/OpenComputers/something.conf
L580[18:11:15] <Izaya> I forget the exact file name
L581[18:11:44] <FullMetalJuggernaut> oh so I have to open the .jar file?
L582[18:11:50] <Izaya> no
L583[18:11:58] <Izaya> .minecraft/mods/OpenComputers/something.conf
L584[18:12:19] <Izaya> wait
L585[18:12:21] <Izaya> it might be in config
L586[18:12:29] <Izaya> .minecraft/config that is
L587[18:14:02] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I see it
L588[18:14:29] <Izaya> man wtf is with Word making tables invisible half the time
L589[18:14:43] <Izaya> LibreOffice doesn't have this issue
L590[18:29:03] <FullMetalJuggernaut> ok well that code you gave me didn't work http://tinyurl.com/yd6wdwut
L591[18:30:32] <Izaya> evidently because you didn't input it correctly
L592[18:30:47] <Izaya> you're missing a space in the mv command
L593[18:32:37] <Compu> @FullMetalJuggernaut read what it says on screen, it's literally telling u how to use the command
L594[18:33:05] <Izaya> >delete requests are free
L595[18:33:06] <Izaya> kek
L596[18:40:38] <Z0idburg> @FullMetalJuggernaut shoulda grown up before a GUI was something everyone had ?
L597[18:41:23] <FullMetalJuggernaut> The GUi became widely advailabe back in 1984
L598[18:41:43] <Izaya> and most people didn't actually have one till after 1995
L599[18:42:05] <Z0idburg> ^^^^^
L600[18:42:21] <Z0idburg> wideley available is a load of bs
L601[18:42:30] <Z0idburg> yes they existed
L602[18:43:00] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Apple Macintosh anyone?
L603[18:43:09] <Izaya> if we're splitting hairs I thought Windows 1.0 came out in 1983
L604[18:43:16] <Compu> apple macintosh ≠ widely available
L605[18:43:19] <Compu> that shit was expensive
L606[18:43:52] <Compu> and also didn't run as fast as things like DOS because of the limited hardware
L607[18:44:00] <Z0idburg> most people trhat had apple anything then had apple IIs
L608[18:44:08] <Izaya> Computers were expensive
L609[18:44:43] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Ok downloaded the os.
L610[18:44:49] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Not I have to install it
L611[18:44:53] <dequbed> Compu: Weird. It's almost as if wasting CPU cycles on useless graphics allows for less CPU cyles for actual work :p
L612[18:45:07] <Z0idburg> RIGHT?
L613[18:45:10] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Now I have to install it [Edited]
L614[18:45:22] <Compu> @FullMetalJuggernaut did u move the init.lua file and then copy the download file in to replace init.lua?
L615[18:46:01] <Compu> if so then just reboot the computer
L616[18:46:05] <Compu> it'll install automatically
L617[18:46:36] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Yes
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L619[18:46:48] <Compu> then just reboot the computer
L620[18:46:49] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Okay
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L622[18:48:09] <Z0idburg> The mouse was invented in the 1960s, ok
L623[18:48:17] <Compu> true
L624[18:48:22] <Z0idburg> but nobody had one for a very long time
L625[18:48:26] <Compu> technically there were DOS games with GUIs
L626[18:48:29] <Compu> ie lemmings
L627[18:48:33] <Compu> or simcity
L628[18:48:34] <Z0idburg> lemmings was great
L629[18:48:42] <Z0idburg> I had a couple of floppy disks with lemmings
L630[18:48:52] <Z0idburg> probably still do somewhere
L631[18:48:54] <Compu> does the incredible machine count as a dos game?
L632[18:48:57] <Z0idburg> YES
L633[18:49:00] <Z0idburg> I have that
L634[18:49:03] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I suck http://tinyurl.com/yar8f7l3
L635[18:49:10] <Compu> uh
L636[18:49:10] <Z0idburg> tbh the incredible machine 2 was better
L637[18:49:12] <dequbed> Compu: <pendatic>shouldn't that be e.g. not i.e.?</pendantic>
L638[18:49:15] <Z0idburg> and less annoying
L639[18:49:44] <FullMetalJuggernaut> so how do I fix this?
L640[18:49:45] <Compu> @FullMetalJuggernaut boot the open os floppy, then cd into the hard drive and copy the file u downloaded into init.lua
L641[18:50:01] <FullMetalJuggernaut> okay
L642[18:50:09] <Izaya> so I take it you didn't download it to /init.lua
L643[18:50:23] <Compu> check the ID of ur hard drive by looking at it's tooltip
L644[18:50:46] <Compu> then do `cd /mnt`
L645[18:50:50] <Compu> and then `ls`
L646[18:51:00] <Z0idburg> I mean there was also VBDOS
L647[18:51:03] <Compu> there should be a folder there with the first few characters of the ID
L648[18:51:09] <Compu> so cd into that folder
L649[18:51:38] <Izaya> Victoria Bitter DOS
L650[18:51:44] <Z0idburg> ?
L651[18:51:45] <Compu> u probably ended up downloading the file into /home so then `cd /home` and then `ls`
L652[18:52:14] <Z0idburg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnSPVeF2knE
L653[18:52:15] <MichiBot> Visual Basic for DOS quick tour (VBDOS) | length: 8m 29s | Likes: 3 Dislikes: 0 Views: 65 | by dreambyte | Published On 16/6/2018
L654[18:52:43] <Z0idburg> basically quickbasic with gui features
L655[18:52:53] <Compu> the ls command there should list the file, so just do `cp filename /mnt/insertIDfolder/init.lua`
L656[18:52:56] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I wish I had a list of commads for this
L657[18:53:10] <Z0idburg> @FullMetalJuggernaut it's a *nix friendly command set
L658[18:53:14] <FullMetalJuggernaut> How to mount the hardrives?
L659[18:53:21] <Izaya> should mount on boot
L660[18:53:33] <Compu> replace filename with the name of the file from ls and replace insertIDfolder with the folder from before with the first few characters of the ID of ur hard drive
L661[18:53:43] <Compu> THEN remove the open os floppy and reboot
L662[18:54:16] <Compu> and just to be clear, it's a lowercase L in ls, not an upper case I
L663[18:54:23] <Z0idburg> use something lkike this
L664[18:54:24] <Z0idburg> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/33/01/3d330145906ba483e0196c547c463455.png
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L666[18:54:30] <Z0idburg> it may not be acurate but it's something
L667[18:56:22] <Z0idburg> damn it Compu
L668[18:56:30] <Z0idburg> Now I have to go find my TIM CD
L669[18:56:39] <Z0idburg> and install it
L670[18:57:00] <Z0idburg> I don't have Windows on my computer so I can only install the DOS version but now I gotta find it
L671[18:57:33] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Ok I need to access the hardisk on my PC and it says that the mounted hardisk is a directory
L672[18:57:56] <Z0idburg> and the problem is...
L673[18:58:01] <dequbed> Z0idburg: WINE can work surprisingly well for those old games.
L674[18:58:11] <Compu> @Z0idburg dosbox, install windows 3.11
L675[18:58:25] <Z0idburg> I couldn't get 3.1 installed
L676[18:58:28] <Compu> i can
L677[18:58:53] <Compu> want me to just give u a zip of my dosbox c drive and my dosbox config?
L678[18:58:55] <Z0idburg> I currently run FreeDOS, and I thought in order to get it working you needed the MS-DOS version of himem.sys, eyc
L679[18:58:57] <Z0idburg> etc*
L680[18:59:19] <Z0idburg> but I didn't try it yet
L681[18:59:45] <Z0idburg> so far it just says unsupported DOS version when I boot up my computer and type win
L682[19:00:00] <Z0idburg> other than that memory may be an issue
L683[19:00:12] <Compu> heres my dosbox config, tho u can't use this directly since i run linux and even if u run linux ur home folder path won't be the same http://tinyurl.com/ybk6tuwr
L684[19:00:25] <Z0idburg> I'm not worried about that
L685[19:00:31] <Z0idburg> I'm not using dosbox anyways
L686[19:00:36] <Z0idburg> this is FreeDOS on a Pentium II
L687[19:01:50] <Compu> https://mega.nz/#!0hshWajb!g2nMEEobY-ay5zANMO7_23-JkSuJ_KJVEo2gRoRbqMk and heres a zip of my dosbox c drive
L688[19:04:25] <Z0idburg> connecting to a BBS hold on
L689[19:04:43] <Z0idburg> I don't have a network card
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L691[19:06:09] <Bafton> Hi Compu
L692[19:06:20] <Izaya> every now and then I sit there and think how amazing it is that millions of people in my country alone get into several-ton lumps of metal with 500HP engines and drive around every day and only like 200 people die every year
L693[19:06:25] <Bafton> You know what would be cool
L694[19:06:28] <Izaya> I now realise how similar this is to computing
L695[19:06:46] <Bafton> if this IRC client via BBS supported file transfers to Kermit
L696[19:07:26] <Bafton> Most people do not have 500HP
L697[19:07:36] <Izaya> okay but like you know what I mean
L698[19:07:39] <Bafton> Heck my car has 215HP and it is dangerous af
L699[19:07:42] <Izaya> cars go fast
L700[19:07:46] <Izaya> and weigh a lot
L701[19:07:55] <Bafton> They do. You just need a heavier car
L702[19:08:02] <dequbed> Izaya: What? Death by tons of metal in computing has gone with mainframes.
L703[19:08:14] <Izaya> there's a lot of energy in a 1-ton car going 110km/h
L704[19:08:25] <Bafton> 1 ton is too light
L705[19:08:42] <Bafton> The car I rode around in growing up was 3 tons :D
L706[19:08:52] <dequbed> Bafton: 1 ton is very reasonable for a small car. Izaya is not in America :)
L707[19:09:06] <Izaya> I can’t say I pay attention to car weights tbh
L708[19:09:06] <Bafton> yes but its too light for accidents
L709[19:09:27] <dequbed> If you get hit by a car you don't get to ask if it was 1 ton or 1.7 ton.
L710[19:09:32] <Bafton> the goal in an accident is to be in a bigger car than theirs
L711[19:09:36] <Izaya> my point is there’s a lot of kinetic energy in a heavy object going 30m/s+
L712[19:09:39] <Compu> electric cars >.>
L713[19:09:45] <Izaya> and yet very few people die, considering
L714[19:09:47] <dequbed> Bafton: No. The goal is being in the safer car.
L715[19:10:18] <Bafton> safer is relative
L716[19:10:21] <Bafton> physics.
L717[19:11:11] <Bafton> you're better off hitting a reinforced concrete wall in a light car that's collapsable than a really havy one
L718[19:11:12] <Bafton> but
L719[19:11:21] <dequbed> Yes, if you mash a 40 ton truck into a 1/2/3 ton car the truck will win hands down. But in a frontal crash between a Volvo and a much heavier but worse built car the people in the Volvo will most likely sustain less damage.
L720[19:11:42] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Okay I think kitten OS needs a eeprom
L721[19:11:54] <Compu> more weight on the bottom of the car reduces the chance of rollover, which increases safety in the more common crashes
L722[19:12:11] <Compu> @FullMetalJuggernaut no it uses the same eeprom as openos
L723[19:12:13] <Bafton> Ok I am going to disconnect now back to the forum because I don't want to tie up the phone line
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L725[19:12:39] <FullMetalJuggernaut> I completely followed your instructions and.it still goes into unrecoverable error
L726[19:13:01] <Compu> then u did not completely follow my instructions
L727[19:13:09] <Compu> ok lets walk through it together in DM
L728[19:13:14] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Okay
L729[19:13:43] <dequbed> Izaya: Yes but you know, most people are actually trying to not kill themselves or other people. And driving a car is surprisingly straightforward.
L730[19:13:59] <dequbed> Especially with modern basically drive-by-wire cars.
L731[19:14:25] <Izaya> yeah most people don’t want to die but like damn you’d expect more accidents to happen considering the equipment involved
L732[19:14:32] <Izaya> it just spins me out to think about it
L733[19:15:17] <dequbed> Izaya: Well but people are aware that cars are dangerous. Most accidents happen because people forget that what their doing is very, very deadly. Not just limited to cars.
L734[19:15:18] <Z0idburg> one thing that's very annoying about new cars is air bags
L735[19:15:44] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Because they save your life and you want to die?
L736[19:15:49] <Z0idburg> also they put stupid shit into cars like antilock brakes and traction control
L737[19:16:00] <Z0idburg> so more people who cant drive drive now
L738[19:16:06] <Izaya> I’d ask wtf you’re on about but I’m presently browsing gumtree to find a motorbike for cheap so wtf do I know about safety
L739[19:16:16] <Z0idburg> ?
L740[19:16:55] <Z0idburg> its not like airbags don't have a purpose, but air bags do get in the way
L741[19:17:09] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Of what? Dying?
L742[19:17:09] <Z0idburg> and can also prevent you from controlling a car in an accident more than it benefits sometimes
L743[19:17:54] <dequbed> You know what kind of forces have to be involved for Airbags to trigger? You're not in control of your car anyway at that point. You're talking complete bs right now.
L744[19:18:08] <MGR> Also, generally traction control is a *good thing*
L745[19:20:03] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Right now you seem like one of those "purists" who will kill themselves because they have absolutely no understanding of what the systems they are "purifying" themselves of are actually doing. Which is okay, but please never act on your presumptions.
L746[19:21:05] <Compu> found the problem guys, i think he downloaded the .git file for kitten os's github and not the inst.lua file
L747[19:21:11] <dequbed> Izaya: Also, have you *STILL* not found a bike?!
L748[19:21:22] <Izaya> dequbed: keeping my options open
L749[19:21:25] <Izaya> can't get the license yet
L750[19:21:42] <dequbed> What? Aren't you already 18?
L751[19:21:54] <Izaya> gotta do a course on the 27th and 28th then I can actually apply for my license
L752[19:22:17] <dequbed> Ookay. And you can only buy a bike with a license?
L753[19:22:17] <Izaya> there’s a specific course for bikes that’s a requirement for getting the license
L754[19:22:46] <Izaya> I figure I might as well keep looking until I can actually do something with it
L755[19:22:54] <Izaya> http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/geared/your_licence/getting_a_licence/on_your_bike.html
L756[19:23:29] <dequbed> Izaya: Why does your gov's websites need JS? <.<
L757[19:23:34] <Z0idburg> dequbed, Nah. There are some things that I find super important, like seat belts, or helmets when you're riding a bike. But some things are just really annoying, like anti lock brakes. they're retarded.
L758[19:23:44] <Z0idburg> dequbed, Nah. There are some things that I find super important, like seat belts, or helmets when you're riding a bike. But some things are just really annoying, like anti lock brakes. they're ridiculous [Edited]
L759[19:23:49] <Izaya> there’s a v nice blue ZZR250 on gumtree for $1k
L760[19:23:53] <Izaya> dequbed: because it's 2005
L761[19:24:20] <dequbed> Izaya: Also "licnece". Do they not spellcheck?
L762[19:25:11] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Do... do you even know what ABS is *doing*?!
L763[19:25:46] <dequbed> HOLY FUCK. Are you *trying* to prove my point?!
L764[19:25:57] <MGR> ^
L765[19:26:03] <dequbed> Only this time you'll get *other* people killed.
L766[19:26:17] <dequbed> I retract my statement. PLEASE NEVER GET INTO A DRIVER SEAT. EVER.
L767[19:26:27] <Z0idburg> I drive every day lol
L768[19:26:43] <dequbed> Until you understand the basic mechanics and safety mechanism of your car that is.
L769[19:26:53] <Z0idburg> What kind of place do you live in?
L770[19:26:54] <dequbed> Then at least do it as far away as possible from me.
L771[19:27:09] <dequbed> Germany, City.
L772[19:27:25] <Z0idburg> ok. So, I would asusme that you guys at least get some harsh weather conditions there.
L773[19:27:41] <dequbed> Seldomly, but yes.
L774[19:28:01] <Z0idburg> It's extremely icy and dangerous here in the Winter time. the roads are all vry hilly and windy and are ribvers of solid ice, and often clear and invisible too
L775[19:28:12] <Z0idburg> And I'm saying anti lock brakes are annoying ?
L776[19:28:22] <Z0idburg> hence why I drive a car without them again
L777[19:28:29] <FullMetalJuggernaut> um @20kdc I need your help
L778[19:28:50] <MGR> I'd like to comment that I also drive on icy roads
L779[19:28:54] <MGR> I have no such issues
L780[19:29:21] <MGR> (i also pushed my friend's car out of an ice ditch, but there was no helping that)
L781[19:29:43] <dequbed> Oh. Okay. So you have a situation where a definite safety feature may be less safe. OH I KNOW! Let's rip them out alltogether! Instead of.. you know.. installing a switch to turn off ABS when it actually is less safe (read: Basically *never*). You know, the kind of switch all european cars have to have.
L782[19:29:46] <Z0idburg> if you're experienced in conditions like this for prolonged periods of time you realize that the computers in these vehicles do not operate exactly the same way an experienced driver does who is used to a car with rear wheel drive fishtailing down the road
L783[19:30:17] <Z0idburg> not saying they don't have a purpose, and I think that they are a great option for people who aren't control freaks with their own driving
L784[19:30:35] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Or you know, humans with human reaction times.
L785[19:33:21] <Z0idburg> these computers can also sometimes cause problems, but rarely, but my feeling is I'd rather be responsible for my own injuries than something else. A explanation of that one, someone who is close to me had a problem where the computer seizzed the power steering and blew the tire in the process, and flipped her car over on the road a ways back. very rare, and possibly could have been prevented if the tires were newer, but these things can fail.
L786[19:34:03] <Z0idburg> needless to say she shouldn't have been driving 80mph, but I feel like these things are too computerized these days and shouldbe more simple.
L787[19:34:39] <dequbed> I'd have to check, but I'm *pretty* sure what you just described is not possible in a street-legal car in the US because a computer is now allowed to excercise that level of control over steering input.
L788[19:36:07] <Compu> hey guys
L789[19:36:31] <Compu> anyone know anything about this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503722482130223104/503725031055163422/2018-10-21_20.22.09.png @FullMetalJuggernaut seems to be getting this when booting from the kitten os inst.lua
L790[19:36:48] <dequbed> Also now we're in the baseless feeling part. The problem was not mainly (if at all) with the computer but other factors (unsafe driving, bad tires), but *OF COURSE* it's the computers fault. I can somewhat understand why one would blame the computer (because it's a hard to understand black box), but realistically - if she was driving a 1960 Ford, would that not have happened?
L791[19:37:55] <Compu> is there an issue in the latest inst.lua for kitten os or something?
L792[19:39:11] <Izaya> Compu: check with the analyser
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L794[19:39:42] <FullMetalJuggernaut> brb going to take a shower
L795[19:41:09] <Izaya> dequbed: https://stats.shadowkat.net/
L796[19:41:19] <dequbed> Izaya: Your driving laws are weird. But honestly, every driving law looks very weird for everbody else.
L797[19:41:21] <Izaya> (I forget whether I showed you already)
L798[19:41:32] <dequbed> You did not
L799[19:41:44] <Izaya> we collectd now
L800[19:42:09] <dequbed> 200GB for logs? THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBERS!
L801[19:42:20] <Izaya> it's what I had on hand
L802[19:42:27] <dequbed> And it's more than enough
L803[19:42:30] <Z0idburg> well, if the people who told her what happened to her car were right, then probably not at that time. I personally like how my car mostly just has computerized fuel injection, I mean it also reads data from 4 o2 sensors, A downside is that it's getting harder to get parts for my car.
L804[19:42:37] <dequbed> You're not trying to get ISO certified anyway :p
L805[19:42:41] <Izaya> btrfs compression and all
L806[19:43:23] <Z0idburg> transmission ebuild kits are getting harder to find and I need a new fork soon
L807[19:43:51] <Z0idburg> I figured I should replace the bearings while I'm at it
L808[19:44:13] <dequbed> Z0idburg: I have yet to see a transmission that is harder to rebuild because of computers. At most, you have a few more holes in the case for sensors.
L809[19:44:19] <Compu> Izaya unreadable error?
L810[19:44:38] <Izaya> ???
L811[19:44:42] <Z0idburg> my transmission doesn't connect to the computer, dequbed...
L812[19:44:51] <Compu> tho apparently putting the inst.lua on a blank hard drive and not one with open os on it fixes the issue?
L813[19:44:58] <Izaya> huh
L814[19:45:07] <Izaya> it should work on one with OpenOS but who knows I guess
L815[19:45:09] <Z0idburg> the only electronic part in my transmission is the reverse sensor for when I put it in reverse.
L816[19:45:15] * Izaya pages @20kdc
L817[19:45:16] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Then the part comment was because your car is now old as fuck and parts are hard to get I assume?
L818[19:45:18] <Z0idburg> I know this because I had my transmission out a month ago
L819[19:45:24] <Z0idburg> yes
L820[19:45:35] <Compu> i really want an electric car
L821[19:45:39] <dequbed> Also, as it should be. Not a friend of automatic transmission tbh.
L822[19:45:47] <Z0idburg> I just put a brand new flywheel and clutch on with a brand new throwout bearing
L823[19:46:03] <dequbed> Except for ^ case. Planetary gear transmissions for electric motors are <3
L824[19:46:31] <Izaya> electric cars seem neat but all the ones I've seen are botnet
L825[19:46:33] <Z0idburg> you know what would be hilarious I always thought?
L826[19:46:41] <Izaya> cars should not connect to the internet
L827[19:46:53] <Z0idburg> having a flight throttle shift stick for a CVT
L828[19:46:55] <dequbed> Izaya: Rip out the antennas and you're golden :p
L829[19:46:59] <Compu> [8:42 PM] Compu: what did the analyzer say tho?
L830[19:47:00] <Compu> [8:43 PM] FullMetalJuggernaut: unreadavle error
L831[19:47:03] <Z0idburg> I always thought that'd be funny
L832[19:47:04] <Compu> Izaya ^
L833[19:47:26] <Izaya> huh
L834[19:47:29] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Impossible to control, way too much effort, basically no payoff. But I'd look neat.
L835[19:47:35] <Izaya> not sure what to make of that
L836[19:47:40] <Z0idburg> well thats the point
L837[19:47:52] <Z0idburg> at that point you should put in two flight yokes
L838[19:47:53] <Z0idburg> ?
L839[19:48:40] <dequbed> If CVT I'd have it linked to the ECU to drive the diesel engine behind it in the most efficient PP all the time. That's pretty much the only situation where a CVT is of any use.
L840[19:48:48] <Compu> Izaya i think he's just being unclear, hold on while i probe for more details
L841[19:49:00] <Z0idburg> my other car is a cvt and I think it's dangerous
L842[19:49:01] <dequbed> And at that point just go dieselelectric on your truck.
L843[19:49:07] <Z0idburg> I want to trade it in for a standard
L844[19:49:28] <dequbed> Z0idburg: An actual, full CVT? What car is that?
L845[19:49:44] <Z0idburg> I think any car that can go just as fast in reverse as it can in drive, with sometimes up to a 2 second latency and then instantaneous torque is dangerous
L846[19:50:05] <Compu> @Z0idburg direct drive electric
L847[19:50:10] <Compu> well not direct drive
L848[19:50:14] <Compu> but single speed i mean
L849[19:50:17] <Z0idburg> right
L850[19:50:24] <Compu> much simpler, a lot less can go wrong
L851[19:50:27] <dequbed> ... None of those are defining features of CVTs in the first place =.=
L852[19:50:27] <Z0idburg> its a subaru forester, that one
L853[19:50:31] <Z0idburg> I don't really like it
L854[19:51:11] <Z0idburg> so like, if I'm getting on the highway, and I need to step on it because I had to yield or something and come to a stop on the edge of an onramp (causing an accident at a yield on highway is a federal crime)
L855[19:51:17] <Z0idburg> then it like lags for like 2 seconds if it isnt lined up
L856[19:51:24] <Z0idburg> and it's just really annoying
L857[19:51:35] <Z0idburg> with my older car it's a lot easier
L858[19:51:42] <Z0idburg> because I can just throw it into first and go
L859[19:52:42] <Z0idburg> ok, you just reminded me of something dequbed. I was driving back home on a 6 - 8 hour drive at night the weekend before this one right? and the temperature went below 38 degrees
L860[19:53:01] <Z0idburg> so every 3 minutes the car went "DING!" and said warning roads may be icy on the screen
L861[19:53:10] <Izaya> 3.3.. degrees for everyone not american
L862[19:53:11] <Z0idburg> and apparently theres no way to shut that shit off
L863[19:53:15] <Compu> electric has that torque and no lag in it
L864[19:53:42] <Z0idburg> yeah I understand the deal with electrics, it's just I find the cvt annoying and I feel that it's going to breakeasier
L865[19:53:46] <Z0idburg> I don't know why
L866[19:53:53] <Compu> electrics don't have a CVT
L867[19:53:59] <Compu> it's just single speed gearing
L868[19:54:06] <Z0idburg> compu we're talking two different things
L869[19:54:18] <Compu> that happens sometimes
L870[19:54:19] <Z0idburg> I'm talking about gas cvt lol
L871[19:54:27] <Compu> the prius has a CVT
L872[19:54:30] <Z0idburg> my subaru forester is a gas cvt
L873[19:54:47] <Z0idburg> but my other car is just an old stick shift with a 3.7L gas engine
L874[19:55:01] <Z0idburg> and weighs 5000 pounds when I load it up
L875[19:55:09] <dequbed> Compu: electric cars can have CVTs as well. Unusual but even electric motors have power curves.
L876[19:55:13] <Z0idburg> but I travel with the subaru because it gets much better mileage
L877[19:55:33] <Compu> it's rarely needed tho
L878[19:55:34] <Z0idburg> yeah, I wish they made a stick shift electric that'd be fun
L879[19:55:39] <dequbed> wat
L880[19:55:41] <Z0idburg> you wouldn't need the same kind of clutch system
L881[19:55:47] <dequbed> And what exactly would you "shift"?
L882[19:56:25] <Compu> well theres nothing saying u can't have a normal transmission in an electric car, it just needs to be strong enough to handle the torque
L883[19:56:27] <Z0idburg> well gears of course. have you never used electric motors? gear ratios will change torque.
L884[19:56:46] <Z0idburg> you will likely decrease your mileage
L885[19:56:54] <Compu> tho usually the way electric motor torque goes it's not needed to have multiple gears
L886[19:57:01] <Z0idburg> but take this for example, do you remember san francisco buying electric busses?
L887[19:57:05] <Z0idburg> they couldnt make it up the hill
L888[19:57:08] <Z0idburg> XD
L889[19:57:19] <dequbed> As it happens
L890[19:57:22] <Z0idburg> if they had gears they'd be able to increase torque to get up the hill
L891[19:57:30] <Z0idburg> without using more energy
L892[19:57:40] <Z0idburg> as in more energy output
L893[19:57:40] <dequbed> No, by using more energy all the time
L894[19:57:42] <Compu> ye don't cheap out on the motor if ur going single speed
L895[19:57:51] <Z0idburg> you know what I mean
L896[19:58:01] <dequbed> They would have also gotten up the hill if they managed to correctly specify what they need.
L897[19:58:04] <Z0idburg> you wouldn't have to output as much power from the electrical system
L898[19:58:08] <dequbed> But you know, details.
L899[19:58:38] <Compu> trolleybusses exist
L900[19:58:49] <Compu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus
L901[19:59:05] <Compu> it's a busy that draws power from an overhead line like a tram does
L902[19:59:11] <Compu> it's a bus that draws power from an overhead line like a tram does [Edited]
L903[19:59:14] <dequbed> Z0idburg: No, I don't know what you're meaning. Last I checked power was well defined and you can't do less work for the same work.
L904[20:00:51] <Z0idburg> also it may be easier to build gears and othermrechanical parts to handle the stress of torque than to make a fee parts that can sustain the stress in the example of a crane
L905[20:01:12] <Z0idburg> few*
L906[20:01:18] <Z0idburg> weird wording
L907[20:01:57] <Z0idburg> but maybe not
L908[20:02:02] <dequbed> Completely different kinds of stresses. You're point being?
L909[20:02:05] <dequbed> Your*
L910[20:02:13] <Z0idburg> my point being is I am getting tired
L911[20:02:16] <Compu> iirc most electric cars use a gear ratio so the motor spins faster than the wheels? i could be remembering wrong tho
L912[20:02:16] <Z0idburg> lol
L913[20:02:49] <Z0idburg> Compu: right, and there's nothing wrong with having a transmission system tofurther increase torque if need be, even if it is just a 2 speed transmission
L914[20:03:07] <dequbed> Compu: Electric motors are really good at a few thousand RPM. Yeah, you don't want your wheels do go that fast.
L915[20:03:17] <Z0idburg> on one of the robots my high school team and I built we had a two speed pneumatic transmission manufactured for us
L916[20:03:34] <Z0idburg> and of course this was electric
L917[20:03:34] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Except friction, cost and general uselessness.
L918[20:04:08] <Z0idburg> the point of a transmission is generally for underdrive
L919[20:04:22] <Compu> anyways the new autopilot stuff by tesla is doing good except when idiots ignore the warnings and treat it like a fully self driving car where they can set it and then fuck off
L920[20:04:54] <Z0idburg> modern cars like mine have an overdrive 6th gear but 5th is 1:1 and everything below 5th is more torque. This is how my 3.7L 250ft/lb of torque can put out over 1000 foot pounds
L921[20:04:56] <dequbed> Compu: Yes, maybe. Still botnet. Still breaks in very unexpected ways.
L922[20:05:09] <Z0idburg> the engine doesnt put out 1000 fooit pounds, but the transmission can
L923[20:05:28] <Z0idburg> and then the differential increases it a bit more depending on the ratio of that
L924[20:05:36] <Compu> yes it still breaks, thus the warnings, thus why it tells u to pay attention and keep ur hand on the wheel so u can take over if it has an issue
L925[20:05:52] <Compu> tesla does not claim it's ready for full autonomy yet, u still have to pay attention
L926[20:06:07] <Z0idburg> yeah I don't get why people trusted that
L927[20:06:08] <Compu> but some people ignore all that and then wonder why the car crashed into a wall
L928[20:06:11] <Izaya> S3: what's the max symmetric speed of VDSL?
L929[20:06:14] <Z0idburg> I don't even use cruise control
L930[20:06:15] <dequbed> No, not exactly. The transmission is converting X torque at Y RPMs to Z torque at A RPMs.
L931[20:06:32] <Z0idburg> my stick shift has cruise control, but I don't use it, because if I fall asleep at the wheel or some shit
L932[20:06:34] <dequbed> Also, Compu: what are all you people doing with all the time you save by writing 'u' instead of correctly spelling 'you'?
L933[20:06:38] <Compu> like when u set the autopilot it pops up this big warning that u still have to pay attention and be ready to take over control
L934[20:06:59] <Compu> but it's like some people see a big red warning and their brain just blocks it out
L935[20:07:16] <Z0idburg> Compu: oh yeah.. so I have a friend ewho is a pilot and was once flying over the ocean
L936[20:07:18] <Z0idburg> at night
L937[20:07:26] <Z0idburg> he hit the autopilot button while reading a map
L938[20:07:28] <Compu> dequbed things not appropriate for an SFW channel like this
L939[20:07:45] <dequbed> This is very much not SFW.
L940[20:07:54] <Izaya> >#oc
L941[20:07:56] <Izaya> >sfw
L942[20:07:57] <dequbed> Izaya: Also, not S3 but 400MBit total Bandwidth?
L943[20:08:01] <Izaya> Maybe nowadays
L944[20:08:06] <Z0idburg> and next thing you know after a while he was spiraling down towards the ocean, but he caught it and straightened out then pulled on the yoke and was good
L945[20:08:07] <Compu> the channel on discord is not marked NSFW and theres literal children here
L946[20:08:12] <Compu> i would get in trouble
L947[20:08:19] <Izaya> dequbed: so in theory you could do 200Mbps symmetric?
L948[20:08:22] <Z0idburg> but he had gone from like 18,000 feet to a few thousand
L949[20:08:25] <dequbed> Izaya: Aye
L950[20:08:26] <Izaya> not bad
L951[20:09:02] <Z0idburg> I really really want to get my pilots license but you have to do like what 10 -20 hours I think I was told of flight time and then another 10-20 just to go above the clouds
L952[20:09:19] <Z0idburg> I think 10 hours is with a copilot and 10 is by yourself
L953[20:09:24] <Z0idburg> I forget
L954[20:09:33] <dequbed> Z0idburg: Sorry to say but your friend is a shit pilot <.< If you're even in the position to fuck something up so royaly you have to have done everythign wrong beforehand.
L955[20:09:39] <Compu> i was talking about tesla cars @Z0idburg
L956[20:09:43] <Compu> not planes
L957[20:09:54] <Izaya> tesla planes
L958[20:09:56] <Z0idburg> my friend is an amazing pilot. if he was a shit pilot he would have pulled up before he straightened the plane
L959[20:10:08] <Z0idburg> he taught people how to fly for years in the air force
L960[20:10:24] <dequbed> I take he flew alone in the dark VFA then?
L961[20:10:42] <dequbed> Because HOW THE FUCK did he not notice the drop *immediatly* otherwise?
L962[20:10:51] <dequbed> Or his copilot for that matter.
L963[20:10:58] <Z0idburg> it didn't drop immediately as far as I was told
L964[20:11:06] <Z0idburg> it was more of a very gradual transition
L965[20:11:25] <dequbed> Point still stands. If the horizont is suddenly moving you tend to notice.
L966[20:11:28] <Z0idburg> he was trying to calculate how much time he needed to get a tailwind or something to make it across the ocean iirc
L967[20:11:47] <Z0idburg> this was at night
L968[20:11:52] <Z0idburg> he said you couldn't see anything, and over the ocean
L969[20:11:58] <Z0idburg> I said that at the beginnin lol
L970[20:12:43] <dequbed> Then that's an excuse
L971[20:12:54] <dequbed> Still, IFR people .-.
L972[20:13:19] <dequbed> The buttons DO STUFF. They are not just there to be pretty and make noises.
L973[20:13:33] <Z0idburg> lol
L974[20:13:38] <Z0idburg> I really like flying with him
L975[20:13:52] <Z0idburg> he takes me up to about 1000 feet and then says ok you got the controls
L976[20:14:11] <Z0idburg> it's a lot of fun, and I wish I had the money to do it myself
L977[20:15:15] <dequbed> It's funny. USAF pilots tend to be extreme. Either they are ridicolously good with their machines or really. really. bad. But if he survived 10 years he is probably not one of the latter category.
L978[20:15:55] <Z0idburg> my experience is that it's pretty much just like the old similators except that the plane jumps around a lot in the wind and it takes strength to move the rudder and flaps on the plane to steer, it may be because its an older plane though but my hypothesis is that part of it is that when you're in a small plane flying 200Mph that's a lot of wind resistance to push against?
L979[20:16:28] <Compu> Izaya it doesn't show the error? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503722482130223104/503738075147665420/2018-10-21_21.14.31.png
L980[20:16:29] <Z0idburg> I didn't ask him
L981[20:16:29] <dequbed> Uh yes. If you're flying manual and not by wire you're actually pushing against 200-400km/h winds.
L982[20:16:41] <Izaya> huh
L983[20:16:55] <Izaya> so it works on a blank drive?
L984[20:16:57] <Z0idburg> and the headsets are fun
L985[20:17:02] <Compu> nope
L986[20:17:04] <Izaya> also damn this keyboard it makes me double-press space sometimes
L987[20:17:14] <Compu> he installed open os on the blank drive and used confusing language
L988[20:17:14] <Z0idburg> well you have rudder pedals and you bank to steer yes
L989[20:17:15] <dequbed> But hey, if a engine fails and you have to push a flap 30 degs into the wind it becomes a *great* workout.
L990[20:17:35] <Z0idburg> he said he had the trim on so that could have also been a factor
L991[20:18:03] <Compu> it does not work on a blank drive and he just installed open os to the blank drive and downloaded the init.lua into the home folder and said it worked, very confusing but no it does not work
L992[20:18:56] <Izaya> to install KOS NEO you need to boot the inst.lua file as init.lua
L993[20:19:16] <Compu> i know
L994[20:19:43] <Compu> that error is what happens when he does that on his old open os drive, replacing the open os init.lua with the KOS NEO inst.lua
L995[20:19:59] <Compu> this does not happen for me on my server, only for him on his server
L996[20:20:17] <Izaya> bizarre
L997[20:20:27] <Compu> oh apparently that error in the screenshot was it booting of a blank drive with ONLY the inst.lua renamed to init.lua on it
L998[20:20:35] <Compu> oh apparently that error in the screenshot was it booting off a blank drive with ONLY the inst.lua renamed to init.lua on it [Edited]
L999[20:20:36] <FullMetalJuggernaut> how much ram does kitty os need?
L1000[20:20:37] <Izaya> huh
L1001[20:20:46] <Izaya> runs on T1
L1002[20:20:51] <Compu> ^
L1003[20:20:56] <Compu> u have tier 3 ram
L1004[20:20:58] <Compu> more than enough
L1005[20:21:03] <Izaya> won't run a web browser on T1 but it'll run the OS
L1006[20:21:48] <Compu> any idea what's going on?
L1007[20:21:51] <Compu> cuz i'm confused
L1008[20:22:15] <Compu> hmm
L1009[20:22:25] <Compu> gonna ask him to try something
L1010[20:25:06] <Z0idburg> oh shit it's almost 10pm
L1011[20:25:10] <Z0idburg> I gotta hit the road soon
L1012[20:25:34] <FullMetalJuggernaut> Nothing http://tinyurl.com/y8gjxg7p
L1013[20:25:52] <FullMetalJuggernaut> absolutely nothing
L1014[20:25:53] <Z0idburg> so, my temperature sensor problem in the subaru, I'm wondering if I unplug the sensor if itl beep at me continuously with a temp sensor failure XD
L1015[20:26:03] <Z0idburg> because I don't really need it..
L1016[20:26:32] <Z0idburg> good thing I'm not driving it tonight
L1017[20:26:55] <Z0idburg> it's 36F / 2C right now
L1018[20:27:18] <Z0idburg> but it's going to suck this winter
L1019[20:28:44] <Z0idburg> hey fullmetal, that will cause problems ?
L1020[20:29:18] <Z0idburg> I should have been paying attention all along to fullmetal
L1021[20:29:28] <Z0idburg> I have no idea what they are doing
L1022[20:29:48] <Compu> they're trying to install kitten os but apparently wget is not actually writing anything to the file?
L1023[20:29:55] <Z0idburg> uh
L1024[20:30:00] <Compu> like
L1025[20:30:03] <Compu> it's creating the file
L1026[20:30:07] <Z0idburg> yeah I see that
L1027[20:30:09] <Compu> and then writing nothing to it
L1028[20:30:16] <Compu> but yet it says success and such
L1029[20:30:25] <Z0idburg> where is he downloading it
L1030[20:30:31] <Z0idburg> like what dir is he in
L1031[20:30:32] <Compu> `wget http://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/releases/download/neo-r6/inst.lua init.lua`
L1032[20:30:44] <Compu> he's in the root of a blank hard drive
L1033[20:30:46] <Z0idburg> ok
L1034[20:30:51] <Compu> booted from the open os floppy
L1035[20:31:06] <Compu> i'm having him retry downloading it
L1036[20:31:41] <Z0idburg> does wget on OpenOS let you name the file like that?
L1037[20:31:56] <Z0idburg> do you think it could be interfering? Well, it must be working ..
L1038[20:31:57] <Compu> yes
L1039[20:32:00] <Z0idburg> it created the file
L1040[20:32:02] <Compu> yeah
L1041[20:32:24] <Z0idburg> oh also
L1042[20:32:30] <Z0idburg> it doesn't look like he's downloading the raw file?
L1043[20:32:39] <Z0idburg> looks like that will also grab the github html
L1044[20:32:39] <Compu> if redownloading the file doesn't work i'll have him try downloading it without the init.lua and then renaming it
L1045[20:32:45] <Compu> it will?
L1046[20:32:53] <Z0idburg> doesnt github have a /raw/ thing?
L1047[20:32:58] <Z0idburg> for downloading files directly
L1048[20:33:01] <Compu> no it's a release
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L1050[20:33:12] <Compu> the release will download the raw file
L1051[20:33:14] <Z0idburg> Ok I didn't know github had that
L1052[20:33:26] <Z0idburg> Never used that feature
L1053[20:33:39] <Z0idburg> hmm
L1054[20:34:07] <Z0idburg> ok!
L1055[20:34:09] <Compu> @Z0idburg https://i.imgur.com/LYYX1qC.png
L1056[20:34:12] <Z0idburg> I found something\
L1057[20:34:23] <Z0idburg> when I type http://github.com it forces me to https://
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L1059[20:34:32] <Z0idburg> think that may be doing weird shenanigans?
L1060[20:34:37] <Z0idburg> if wget is expecting no SSL
L1061[20:34:40] <Compu> https://i.imgur.com/gcJTmi1.png
L1062[20:34:46] <Compu> hmm
L1063[20:34:48] <Compu> maybe
L1064[20:34:54] <Compu> i'll try https too
L1065[20:35:05] <Z0idburg> I don't know if OpenOS wget supports SSL but
L1066[20:35:07] <Compu> shouldn't wget handle redirects?
L1067[20:35:11] <Z0idburg> why not
L1068[20:35:18] <Izaya> wget https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/releases/download/neo-r6/inst.lua /mnt/[blank-drive]/init.lua
L1069[20:35:26] <Z0idburg> yeah but I wondered if it tried to handshake as http and it was https response
L1070[20:36:10] <Compu> no it should just get a redirect response
L1071[20:36:14] <Compu> unless github fucked up
L1072[20:36:15] <Z0idburg> hmm
L1073[20:36:19] <Z0idburg> yeah
L1074[20:41:42] <Z0idburg> SHENANIGAN GREMLINS!
L1075[20:41:48] <Z0idburg> that's the culprit
L1076[20:42:25] <Compu> and now he wants to download the .git file again
L1077[20:42:33] <Compu> how frustrating
L1078[20:43:42] <Z0idburg> ahahahahaha
L1079[20:44:07] <Z0idburg> why not just have him download it himself and extract it in the hard drive directory on his PC
L1080[20:44:17] <Z0idburg> if its a managed drive its right there
L1081[20:44:25] <Compu> because at this point i'm not ready to go through explaining how to do that
L1082[20:44:34] <Izaya> just use the installer ree
L1083[20:44:46] <Z0idburg> I always turn off disk caching because thats how I write stuff
L1084[20:45:10] <Z0idburg> I always code on emacs or something and just reboot the OC computer (because I was writing Os stuff)
L1085[20:45:23] <Z0idburg> I also personally thing my OS is amazing but thats me ?
L1086[20:45:33] <Izaya> tfw crazy enough to use a line editor to write stuff for my OS
L1087[20:45:38] <Z0idburg> I need to get back to working on that
L1088[20:46:03] <Z0idburg> imo izaya a text editor should really be so simple that it just interfaces a line editor
L1089[20:46:08] <Z0idburg> ?
L1090[20:46:19] <Z0idburg> make the line editor have all the hardened features
L1091[20:46:34] <Z0idburg> and text editor just adds multi line features
L1092[20:46:39] <Izaya> I mean, the one I've been using is basically ex but lua patterns
L1093[20:47:20] <Z0idburg> I should look into how syntax highlighting is done. I feel like parsing but thing is parsing is very language dependent
L1094[20:47:27] <Compu> ok
L1095[20:47:29] <Compu> new thing
L1096[20:47:31] <Z0idburg> and a lot of syntax highlighters are code structure independent
L1097[20:47:42] <Z0idburg> at least to some extent
L1098[20:47:46] <Compu> `wget https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/releases/download/neo-r6/inst.lua init.lua` gives https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503722482130223104/503746042936950813/2018-10-21_21.46.32.png
L1099[20:48:26] <Izaya> is that the direct output or did you cat the file
L1100[20:48:29] <Compu> does someone else wanna take over?
L1101[20:48:46] <Izaya> because the file is compressed
L1102[20:48:47] <Z0idburg> ok. I hate to be the guy that continues to point fingers but too long without yielding is an unacceptable error and shoulw never happen EVER.
L1103[20:48:52] <Compu> Izaya that's the output given when doing the wget command, it does not download the file
L1104[20:48:57] <Izaya> o-oh
L1105[20:48:57] <Z0idburg> any time I see one I just want to yell at the programmer
L1106[20:48:58] <Izaya> huh
L1107[20:49:06] <Compu> yeah
L1108[20:49:12] <Compu> someone else wanna handle this?
L1109[20:49:28] <Compu> did he download a beta version of the mod or something?
L1110[20:49:50] <Compu> @Z0idburg what does too long without yielding even mean tho
L1111[20:51:03] <Compu> wait a sevc
L1112[20:51:04] <Compu> sec*
L1113[20:51:12] <Compu> Izaya maybe i'm confused
L1114[20:51:12] <Z0idburg> well without saying it means what it says, it basically means that the program did not stop executing to allow other corotines to execute (including the system itself)
L1115[20:51:16] <Compu> lemme ask for clarification
L1116[20:51:35] <Z0idburg> you can't "busy wait" in OC
L1117[20:51:50] <Z0idburg> you have to tell your process to stop and let another process run
L1118[20:52:04] <Z0idburg> or let the computer run in additional case
L1119[20:52:06] <Izaya> https://sergalassets.b-cdn.net/media_attachments/files/000/505/577/original/9f0e83fcf4012482.jpg
L1120[20:52:13] <Compu> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/amalewocal
L1121[20:52:17] <Compu> pls send help
L1122[20:52:28] <Z0idburg> I dunno how to explain it better:
L1123[20:52:37] <Compu> ok Izaya i was wrong, it was the edit command, i know what to do now
L1124[20:52:52] <Z0idburg> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/oleyonejem
L1125[20:52:55] <Z0idburg> this will not work
L1126[20:53:09] <Z0idburg> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/tokejaxima
L1127[20:53:11] <Z0idburg> This will work
L1128[20:53:55] <Z0idburg> so essentially wget is probably off doing something without yielding control back to OpenOS
L1129[20:54:11] <Z0idburg> or waiting for something
L1130[20:54:22] <Compu> ok so
L1131[20:54:35] <Compu> the issue was not wget
L1132[20:54:38] <Compu> it was edit
L1133[20:54:43] <Z0idburg> ...
L1134[20:54:59] <Compu> theres some characters in the inst.lua that edit does not like and he was not very clear what he meant
L1135[20:55:14] <Compu> anyways `wget https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/releases/download/neo-r6/inst.lua init.lua` works just fine and it's installing kitten os now
L1136[20:55:24] <Z0idburg> OH
L1137[20:55:29] <Izaya> yeah uh
L1138[20:55:34] <Izaya> non-printable characters
L1139[20:55:35] <Izaya> lots of them
L1140[20:55:40] <Compu> this has been very frustrating for me
L1141[20:55:41] <Z0idburg> yeah so does it have windows line endings?
L1142[20:55:43] <Compu> glad it's over
L1143[20:55:47] <Z0idburg> I forgot all about that stuff
L1144[20:55:52] <Compu> no idea
L1145[20:55:54] <Z0idburg> Windows likes to use both
L1146[20:55:59] <Compu> but gedit doesn't like it either
L1147[20:56:01] <Z0idburg> \r\n
L1148[20:56:07] <Compu> and gedit supports windows line endings
L1149[20:56:16] <Z0idburg> sorry I ordered a keyboard online and iyts not an english keyboard but I'm dealing with it
L1150[20:56:23] <Z0idburg> for my laptop
L1151[20:56:27] <Z0idburg> I have no idea what language its in
L1152[20:56:44] <Z0idburg> I have it in US qwerty mode and the enter key is oddly shaped
L1153[20:56:49] <Saphire> Rer
L1154[20:56:52] <Saphire> Dragons
L1155[20:56:57] <Z0idburg> hi Saphire
L1156[20:57:57] <Compu> @Z0idburg https://i.imgur.com/qStaoVs.png
L1157[20:58:19] <Saphire> Hi
L1158[20:58:45] <Saphire> Compu, what the fuck?
L1159[20:58:59] <Compu> no idea
L1160[20:59:07] <Compu> that's what gedit gives trying to open the file
L1161[20:59:13] <Compu> the inst.lua for kitten os
L1162[20:59:18] <Saphire> ... How about
L1163[20:59:22] <Saphire> Line endings
L1164[20:59:42] <Saphire> Probably trying to open the file with Windows endings
L1165[20:59:52] <Compu> kate doesn't like it either https://i.imgur.com/s19Ri8B.png
L1166[21:00:03] <Saphire> Can you throw the file at me?
L1167[21:00:05] <Saphire> As is
L1168[21:00:15] <Z0idburg> saphire wants to trim it!
L1169[21:00:42] <Saphire> Ooh, I see the link now
L1170[21:00:45] <Z0idburg> wait this doesnt look like a normal line ending problem
L1171[21:00:48] <Saphire> Scrolling up is important
L1172[21:01:12] <Compu> wine notepad seems to not mind as much https://i.imgur.com/mLVLOq5.png
L1173[21:01:22] <Compu> still looks kinda garbage-ish tho
L1174[21:01:59] <Izaya> like I said, it has a significant amount of compressed data
L1175[21:02:02] <Z0idburg> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
L1176[21:02:35] <Compu> anyways opencomputers doesn't seem to mind one bit
L1177[21:02:41] <Izaya> yup
L1178[21:02:52] <Izaya> gets decoded into actual code and then load()ed
L1179[21:03:10] <Compu> so what is it, a zip file encoded into the text at the end of the file?
L1180[21:03:18] <Izaya> not a zip
L1181[21:03:21] <Izaya> custom compression
L1182[21:03:24] <Compu> ah
L1183[21:03:25] <Compu> fun
L1184[21:03:31] <Izaya> not 100% sure how it works but the idea was to keep the installer under 64k
L1185[21:03:46] <Izaya> so it fits in the tmpfs
L1186[21:03:58] <Compu> ah
L1187[21:04:07] <Compu> why not just rely on the internet card?
L1188[21:04:28] <Izaya> what if you don't have an internet card?
L1189[21:05:20] <Saphire> ...it is garbage
L1190[21:05:24] <Saphire> hexedit says so
L1191[21:05:31] <Compu> u could craft an internet card
L1192[21:05:45] <Izaya> what if internet access is disabled
L1193[21:05:51] <Compu> u need one to really do a whole lot with kitten os anyways, gotta be able to use claw
L1194[21:06:03] <Izaya> not entirely true
L1195[21:06:10] <Izaya> you *could* make it use a local repo
L1196[21:06:22] <Compu> heh
L1197[21:06:45] <Compu> wonder if u could make a repo server in an OC network and have it serv the files to the computer over the network cards
L1198[21:07:26] <Izaya> yeah it's def. doable
L1199[21:07:34] <Izaya> just patch oppm to use fget rather than wget
L1200[21:07:50] <Compu> not oppm
L1201[21:07:51] <Compu> claw
L1202[21:07:57] <Compu> kitten os uses claw
L1203[21:08:01] <Izaya> could patch claw to use fget rather than oppm
L1204[21:08:07] <Saphire> Izaya: it's tar
L1205[21:08:09] <Izaya> talked to 20kdc about that at one point
L1206[21:08:20] <Compu> not sure open os commands work in kitten os
L1207[21:08:37] <Izaya> they don't but I have fget for KOS NEO so
L1208[21:08:58] <Z0idburg> my OS doesn't have any commands but the software on it provides them, such as ocdms
L1209[21:09:05] <Z0idburg> ocdms provides overlay commands
L1210[21:09:14] <Compu> ah
L1211[21:09:17] <Z0idburg> I wanted something simple
L1212[21:09:45] <Compu> now i'm confused
L1213[21:09:48] <Compu> ur OS?
L1214[21:09:50] <Z0idburg> the way you use it is more like a database
L1215[21:09:52] <Compu> what OS is that?
L1216[21:10:07] <Saphire> Z0idburg, so you're basically doing it like *nix, using shell?
L1217[21:10:26] <Z0idburg> well what actually happens is that commands are overlayed by layers of processes
L1218[21:10:29] <Saphire> The commands are illusion!
L1219[21:10:34] <Z0idburg> that operates like a database
L1220[21:10:46] <Compu> i wonder if u could make a terminal emulator for kitten os
L1221[21:10:47] <Z0idburg> you're configuring the dsystem more than you are controlling it
L1222[21:10:59] <Z0idburg> kittenos has a nice terminal emu
L1223[21:11:03] <Compu> it does?
L1224[21:11:18] <Z0idburg> I've seen 20kdc use it
L1225[21:11:23] <Z0idburg> it's impressive
L1226[21:11:31] <Compu> i never seen it
L1227[21:11:31] <Izaya> oh, the virtualisation software?
L1228[21:11:37] <Compu> i just use metamachine
L1229[21:11:41] <Z0idburg> oh yeah nvm thats what I am refering too nvm
L1230[21:11:44] <Compu> which is not a terminal emulator
L1231[21:11:47] <Compu> it's a VM manager
L1232[21:11:48] <Z0idburg> uyeah I forgot
L1233[21:11:51] <Izaya> Compu: https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/tree/master/KittenOS
L1234[21:11:52] <Compu> ye
L1235[21:11:57] <Z0idburg> still cool stuff
L1236[21:12:04] <Compu> yes i know about minitel
L1237[21:12:05] <Z0idburg> Izaya's terminal stuff is nice too
L1238[21:12:16] <Compu> been told about it like 3 times since joining this server
L1239[21:12:21] <Z0idburg> in fact my OS is slowly leaning towards depending on parts of minitel
L1240[21:12:27] <Izaya> re fget on KOS NEO
L1241[21:12:40] <Izaya> it exists n stuff
L1242[21:12:51] <Izaya> but I haven't gotten it to a point where I'm happy enough to PR it into the claw repo
L1243[21:13:06] <Compu> kitten os doesn't really have commands since it's entirely gui based, it has apps and libraries but not commands
L1244[21:13:10] <Z0idburg> Compu: My current in dev OS is Trotwood, it's an OS that you can't do anything useful unless you yield
L1245[21:13:28] <Z0idburg> and it runs across multiple OC computers
L1246[21:13:30] <Compu> sounds somewhat mlp related
L1247[21:13:55] <Z0idburg> it is really just an actor model library is all
L1248[21:13:58] <Z0idburg> with software on top of it
L1249[21:14:13] <Compu> @Z0idburg https://ponyos.org/
L1250[21:14:17] <Compu> o3o
L1251[21:14:20] <Z0idburg> wait a minute
L1252[21:14:23] <Z0idburg> I have heardof this
L1253[21:14:29] <Izaya> owo whats this
L1254[21:14:52] <Izaya> https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/007/315/591/original/023066a92b576e19.png
L1255[21:14:57] <Compu> a linux ish OS with a custom kernel
L1256[21:15:12] <Z0idburg> I have seen this..
L1257[21:15:19] <Compu> the kernel is built from scratch
L1258[21:15:22] <Z0idburg> yeah I was working oin *nix like OSes in the past
L1259[21:15:31] <Z0idburg> until I realized something about OC and Minecraft
L1260[21:15:37] <Izaya> I should poke my OS more, I want to have multiple vtys on one physical tty
L1261[21:15:47] <Z0idburg> I realized that a *nix like OS is not very efficient for Minecraft.
L1262[21:15:52] <Compu> it's techically not linux, it's it's own thing
L1263[21:15:52] <Z0idburg> at least I don't think so
L1264[21:16:02] <Compu> but the way it behaves is linux-ish
L1265[21:16:13] <Z0idburg> so I was determined to come up with something that is very minecraft friendly
L1266[21:16:19] <Compu> it's also not for OC
L1267[21:16:19] <Izaya> I think the OS should be more Lua-oriented
L1268[21:16:23] <Compu> it's for irl computers
L1269[21:16:33] <Compu> or more accurately, for virtualbox really
L1270[21:17:24] <Z0idburg> the idea for Trotwood is that you asess your minecraft needs in a scalable manner with collections of processes to to converge solutions for problems
L1271[21:17:49] <Z0idburg> these problems range from automation to automation networking and more
L1272[21:17:52] <Z0idburg> storage managemenyt
L1273[21:18:25] <Z0idburg> when you have an automation problem you write a program for it in a tree of miniature processes
L1274[21:18:54] <Compu> `scalable manner with collections of processes to to converge solutions for problems` my brain shut down while reading this, reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4
L1275[21:18:55] <MichiBot> "Weird Al" Yankovic - Mission Statement | length: 4m 35s | Likes: 21,672 Dislikes: 847 Views: 3,177,300 | by alyankovicVEVO | Published On 22/7/2014
L1276[21:18:59] <Z0idburg> these processes are designed to crash when they fail and rebuild the tree structure as needed to remain in service
L1277[21:19:19] <Z0idburg> it makes it easy to create software that cannot easily fail.
L1278[21:20:14] <Z0idburg> parts of your automation system can crash and the program remains stable. Which is a great thing to have.
L1279[21:20:27] <Z0idburg> additionally, the parts that crashed can continue to handle your problem
L1280[21:21:39] <Z0idburg> instead of storing everything in files, most of your projects are favorably stored in record databases that are used like lookup tables. You can of course use other forms of data, but Trotwood makes it easy to store in memory databases to look up and store information in a format you desire
L1281[21:21:55] <Z0idburg> as well as help you sync them to non volatile storage and read from
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L1283[21:22:16] <M0x3005> Hi
L1284[21:22:21] <Z0idburg> Hey there.
L1285[21:22:38] <Z0idburg> Comptu: So yeah very different from *nix ?
L1286[21:23:02] <Z0idburg> I'd say it's very different from most anything for an actual OS
L1287[21:23:40] <Compu> ye
L1288[21:24:40] <Z0idburg> It's based on the principles of Erlang
L1289[21:24:52] <Z0idburg> A great programming language
L1290[21:30:04] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> github unstable
L1291[21:30:05] <EcmaXp (SkyBox)> sad
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L1293[21:35:11] <FullMetalJuggernaut> well I got kity os to work
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L1295[22:21:24] <Brisingr Aerowing> @Z0idburg that OS sounds interesting.
L1296[22:30:32] <Z0idburg> @Brisingr Aerowing well if I can get some time to work on it more the OS itself is almost finished I just haven't had a chance to finish some key features
L1297[22:30:48] <Z0idburg> Almost every OS that's out there emulates something that already is a thing
L1298[22:30:53] <Z0idburg> as an OS
L1299[22:31:37] <Z0idburg> But in the world of Minecraft automation I think it's a lot less hacky and more practical to think of Minecraft computer mods as a means of control systems, not some sort of hack of programs
L1300[22:32:02] <Z0idburg> But I do appreciate the *nix feel that has already been provided at the same time
L1301[22:33:46] <Z0idburg> For example, if I am using Galacticraft and have a mars base, and I want to monitor some redstone inputs, the means of getting alerts / alarms on those redstone inputs on my earth base is not very non trivial, but is much less trivial than it should be
L1302[22:35:38] <Z0idburg> with openos I would have to likely write some code to handle modems / link cards etc
L1303[22:36:01] <Z0idburg> but in trotwood the only thing I need is to send(pid, message)
L1304[22:37:52] <Z0idburg> nothing in Trotwood stops you from doing it the other way, it's just that trotwood computers act in a cluster like a supercomputer
L1305[22:38:03] <Z0idburg> so processes exist across computers in a "group"
L1306[22:38:25] <Z0idburg> so intra-networking is simply IPC
L1307[22:46:20] <Z0idburg> Izaya, I did it again!
L1308[22:46:24] <Izaya> ???
L1309[23:05:52] <AmandaC> She played with your heart, got burnt by the flames
L1310[23:06:04] * AmandaC goes off to sleep
L1311[23:10:52] <Z0idburg> I monologued
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