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<Forecaster>
%loot
<Forecaster>
%lootL8[02:35:26] <dequbed> Wait, so since openos
is the OS coming preinstalled on the machines, absorbs all
competitors and says it does everything better than $rival, doesn't
that make it OC's Windows? o.o
L9[02:35:37] <dequbed> And if so, what does
that make payonel? <.<
L10[02:36:04] *
Izaya mumbles something about developers, developers,
developers
L11[02:36:30] <Forecaster>
no loot >:
<Forecaster>
no loot >:L12[02:37:06] <Izaya> also, >does
everything better than its rivals
L13[02:37:08] <Izaya> >compares to
windows
L14[02:37:14] <Izaya> there's something
wrong with this picture
L15[02:37:19] <dequbed> I said *says it
does everything better* ;)
L16[02:37:32] <Izaya> oh, so you did
L17[02:37:34] <Izaya> continue
L18[02:37:42] <dequbed> break
L19[02:37:58] <Izaya> goto
L20[02:38:05] <dequbed> Heathen!
L21[06:05:09] <Saphire> dequbed: goto is
just another way to say jmp
L22[06:07:14] <Z0idburg>
basically
<Z0idburg>
basicallyL23[06:07:42] <Z0idburg>
dequbed: GOSUB!
<Z0idburg>
dequbed: GOSUB!L24[06:09:12] <Z0idburg>
In my hex editor for the TRS-80 Coco I wrote, I used gosub
heavily
<Z0idburg>
In my hex editor for the TRS-80 Coco I wrote, I used gosub
heavilyL25[06:09:45] <Z0idburg> I
used 8 registers for passing / receiving parameters, A, B, C, D and
A$, B$, C$, D$.
<Z0idburg> I
used 8 registers for passing / receiving parameters, A, B, C, D and
A$, B$, C$, D$.L26[06:10:12] <Z0idburg>
they were reserved for the entire program for both parameters to
the routines and return values.
<Z0idburg>
they were reserved for the entire program for both parameters to
the routines and return values.L27[06:11:29] <Z0idburg> I
even had a solution for local variables, I think I used Q$ and Q
for that
<Z0idburg> I
even had a solution for local variables, I think I used Q$ and Q
for thatL28[06:11:44] <Z0idburg>
to handle routines that could overrite variables.
<Z0idburg>
to handle routines that could overrite variables.L29[06:13:15] <Z0idburg>
yeah I forget. I somehow did this thing where I would preserve data
somewhere.. then piut it back
<Z0idburg>
yeah I forget. I somehow did this thing where I would preserve data
somewhere.. then piut it backL30[06:13:50] <Z0idburg>
I'd jave to load the program from tape and check it out to see how
I handled that.
<Z0idburg>
I'd jave to load the program from tape and check it out to see how
I handled that.L31[06:26:36] ⇨
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L35[08:20:29] <Kodos>
Okay, so, serious question
<Kodos>
Okay, so, serious questionL36[08:20:37] <Kodos> Does
anyone here have, or know someone with, fibromyalgia
<Kodos> Does
anyone here have, or know someone with, fibromyalgiaL37[08:21:08] <AmandaC> No, but I have died
after having a vaginal mesh implanted. (Sorry. )
L38[08:21:42] <Kodos> I
mean, that sucks, but congrats on not staying dead?
<Kodos> I
mean, that sucks, but congrats on not staying dead?L39[08:22:08] <AmandaC> (( The sorry was
for the joke reply to the serious question, I couldn't help myself
))
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L47[10:59:09] <Saphire>
So
<Saphire>
SoL48[10:59:17] <Saphire> I
published that thing :V
<Saphire> I
published that thing :VL50[11:19:06] <EcmaXp
(SkyBox)> robot
<EcmaXp
(SkyBox)> robotL51[11:32:48] <Lizzian> :(
didn't get satisfactory alpha key
<Lizzian> :(
didn't get satisfactory alpha keyL52[11:38:30] <Forecaster>
me neither >:
<Forecaster>
me neither >:L53[11:39:10] <Izaya> that seems
L54[11:39:14] <Izaya> unsatisfactory
L55[11:39:31] *
Izaya applies stab-proof jacket
L56[11:40:02] <Corded> * <Forecaster>
stabs Izaya with a stab-proof-proof knife
L57[11:41:10] <Lizzian>
There's always the next stage
<Lizzian>
There's always the next stageL58[11:41:54] <Vexatos> you cannot be
stabbed if you have no physical body!!!
L59[11:42:20] <Izaya> will being
incorporeal solve being stabbed previously?
L60[11:43:01] <Forecaster>
what if it's a silver knife
<Forecaster>
what if it's a silver knifeL61[11:43:30] <Izaya> what if I stab you
first
L62[11:46:17] <Compu> what
if nu
<Compu> what
if nuL63[11:46:34] <AmandaC> no no no,
@Forecaster don't waste one-use items like that on that. Just use a
regular knife, on his head or other extremedies
L64[11:46:53] <AmandaC> After all, a jacket
doesn't cover everything
L65[11:47:07] *
Izaya turtles
L66[11:47:21] <AmandaC> There's also
elemental damage
L67[11:47:34] *
AmandaC nods, throwing a molotov at Izaya
L68[11:47:47] <Izaya> >not having
fireproof clothes by default
L69[11:49:12] <AmandaC> https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1052587590933569537?s=19
L70[11:51:50] <Lizzian>
>not being completely fireproof by default
<Lizzian>
>not being completely fireproof by defaultL71[11:53:37] <Izaya> :|
L72[11:53:40] <Izaya> https://a.uguu.se/OmbOvoiRxXDU_108407.jpg
L73[11:55:07] <Wuerfel_21>
a dented thinkpad?
<Wuerfel_21>
a dented thinkpad?L74[11:55:41] <Izaya> it's ...
bending
L75[11:55:49] <Izaya> this explains some of
the missing screws, I suppose
L76[12:01:28] *
Temia screams
L77[12:03:42] <Wuerfel_21>
my laptop doesn't bend. It just gets cracks in the screen
bezel
<Wuerfel_21>
my laptop doesn't bend. It just gets cracks in the screen
bezelL78[12:04:02] <Wuerfel_21>
and the disc drive stops working
<Wuerfel_21>
and the disc drive stops workingL79[12:04:04] <Izaya> quality
L80[12:04:18] <Izaya> well, since
re-assembling this thing I haven't had any functionality
issues
L81[12:04:23] <Izaya> this is the first
weirdness I've had
L82[12:05:24] <Wuerfel_21>
but it was affordable and has dedicated GPU and ExpressCard, so
that's always good. Also i ordered a 500GB hard drive and they put
in a 750GB drive. yay i guess.
<Wuerfel_21>
but it was affordable and has dedicated GPU and ExpressCard, so
that's always good. Also i ordered a 500GB hard drive and they put
in a 750GB drive. yay i guess.L83[12:06:02] <Izaya> >dedicated
GPU
L84[12:06:04] <Izaya> blegh
L85[12:06:37] <Izaya> common failure point,
increases power consumption, and is generally little better than
the iGPU
L86[12:09:39] <Wuerfel_21>
`little better than the iGPU` Top 10 anime lies
<Wuerfel_21>
`little better than the iGPU` Top 10 anime liesL87[12:10:26] <Izaya> unless you have a 10
series MaxQ it's probably trash
L88[12:10:37] <Wuerfel_21>
and it's only really a failure point if the laptop is designed for
form over function and thus lacks proper cooling
<Wuerfel_21>
and it's only really a failure point if the laptop is designed for
form over function and thus lacks proper coolingL89[12:10:38] <Izaya> and/or your iGPU is a
GMA945
L90[12:10:45] <Izaya> in which case haruhi
help your soul
L91[12:11:36] <Izaya> not worth the extra
money or power consumption
L92[12:11:54] <Izaya> just hook up an eGPU
if you want to run games heavier than the iGPU can handle
L93[12:12:30] <Wuerfel_21>
my iGPU is `Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000`
<Wuerfel_21>
my iGPU is `Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000`L94[12:12:30] <Wuerfel_21>
my dGPU is `NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M`
<Wuerfel_21>
my dGPU is `NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M`L95[12:12:30] <Wuerfel_21>
it's a lot better and can also do CUDA and has OpenGL drivers that
don't reek.
<Wuerfel_21>
it's a lot better and can also do CUDA and has OpenGL drivers that
don't reek.L96[12:12:37] <Wuerfel_21>
my iGPU is `Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000`
<Wuerfel_21>
my iGPU is `Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000`L97[12:12:37] <Wuerfel_21>
my dGPU is `NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M`
<Wuerfel_21>
my dGPU is `NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M`L98[12:12:38] <Wuerfel_21>
it's a lot fasterand can also do CUDA and has OpenGL drivers that
don't reek. [Edited]
<Wuerfel_21>
it's a lot fasterand can also do CUDA and has OpenGL drivers that
don't reek. [Edited]L99[12:12:42] <Wuerfel_21>
my iGPU is `Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000`
<Wuerfel_21>
my iGPU is `Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000`L100[12:12:42] <Wuerfel_21>
my dGPU is `NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M`
<Wuerfel_21>
my dGPU is `NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M`L101[12:12:42] <Wuerfel_21>
it's a lot faster and can also do CUDA and has OpenGL drivers that
don't reek. [Edited]
<Wuerfel_21>
it's a lot faster and can also do CUDA and has OpenGL drivers that
don't reek. [Edited]L102[12:12:52] <Izaya> 6 lines of spam,
nice
L103[12:13:23] <Izaya> iunno about you but
Intel drivers are generally nicer than the NVIDIA ones IME, even if
the hardware is generally weaker
L104[12:13:38] <Izaya> CUDA is a valid
point though
L105[12:13:56] <Izaya> I think the HD 3000
is too old for Vulkan too so it's not like you can abuse that
L106[12:14:11] <Wuerfel_21>
neither of these two does Vulkan
<Wuerfel_21>
neither of these two does VulkanL107[12:14:43] <Izaya> ack
L108[12:14:50] <Izaya> need at least an
ivy bridge chip for vulkan
L109[12:14:55] <Izaya> or skylake on
windows
L110[12:16:13] <Izaya> maybe I should look
into an ivy bridce chip for my laptop that might be nice
L111[12:16:26] <Izaya> but then I need to
buy the processor AND something to flash the BIOS with
L112[12:16:34] <Izaya> tfw
L113[12:18:20] <Izaya> then again
expecting any game that supports vulkan to run well on something as
weak as a HD 4000...
L114[12:18:31] <Wuerfel_21>
i'll just get a powerful desktop pc and relegate the laptop to
field duty
<Wuerfel_21>
i'll just get a powerful desktop pc and relegate the laptop to
field dutyL115[12:18:47] <Izaya> any laptop can run
ssh
L116[12:18:49] <Izaya> that's all you
need
L117[12:19:16] <Wuerfel_21>
actually, i need many more things than ssh.
<Wuerfel_21>
actually, i need many more things than ssh.L118[12:19:31] <Izaya> X11, I guess.
L119[12:19:38] <Izaya> X11 and ssh is all
you need
L120[12:19:53] <Izaya> assuming you don't
include X11 forwarded applications
L121[12:19:56] <Wuerfel_21>
recently, i've been using the propeller IDE/serial programmer
software a lot
<Wuerfel_21>
recently, i've been using the propeller IDE/serial programmer
software a lotL122[12:20:06] <Wuerfel_21>
that needs to run, i guess
<Wuerfel_21>
that needs to run, i guessL123[12:20:24] <Izaya> why are laptops
with decent serial ports so uncommon
L124[12:20:27] <Izaya> it makes me
unhappy
L125[12:22:18] <Wuerfel_21>
i'm using an FTDI cable. But true RS232 is available as ExpressCard
cards
<Wuerfel_21>
i'm using an FTDI cable. But true RS232 is available as ExpressCard
cardsL126[12:23:59] <Wuerfel_21>
i've "successfully" used the FTDI cable at 3 megabaud.
but it dropped out a lot, but i think that has to do with the
serial buffers being too small
<Wuerfel_21>
i've "successfully" used the FTDI cable at 3 megabaud.
but it dropped out a lot, but i think that has to do with the
serial buffers being too smallL127[12:24:52] <Temia> 3 megabaud? I'd
figure the slew rate of the chips isn't up to snuff either
L128[12:25:39] <Wuerfel_21>
there is no corruption at all! it only tends to discard long
stretches of bytes
<Wuerfel_21>
there is no corruption at all! it only tends to discard long
stretches of bytesL129[12:26:06] <Wuerfel_21>
but all the bytes that are recieved are perfect
<Wuerfel_21>
but all the bytes that are recieved are perfectL130[12:26:36] <Temia> Fair.
L131[12:27:00] <Wuerfel_21>
no parity, i may add (altough it would be easy-ish to implement on
the propeller, as the AND instruction writes parity to the
carry)
<Wuerfel_21>
no parity, i may add (altough it would be easy-ish to implement on
the propeller, as the AND instruction writes parity to the
carry)L132[12:28:18] <Temia> Oh, you were using
it with your propeller?
L133[12:29:19] <Wuerfel_21>
yep
<Wuerfel_21>
yepL134[12:30:19] <Wuerfel_21>
i wanted to take screenshots of my graphics driver, but i don't
have a capture card and the quality would be terrible, anyways. So
i wrote a version that send video over serial
<Wuerfel_21>
i wanted to take screenshots of my graphics driver, but i don't
have a capture card and the quality would be terrible, anyways. So
i wrote a version that send video over serialL135[12:30:31] <Wuerfel_21>
at some 4 FPS
<Wuerfel_21>
at some 4 FPSL137[12:34:36] <Lizzy> err, what
L138[12:34:48] <Lizzy> just got a message
saying i'm the founder of this channel...
L139[12:35:13] <Izaya> wasn't it
originally #opencomputers then we ended up here for ... some
reason?
L140[12:35:45] <Lizzy> no, i mean i
reconnect to irc, and in the buffer playback was -ChanServ- You are now founder on #OC (as
Lizzy).
L141[12:36:13] <Lizzy> @Sangar did you let
your NS expire?
L142[12:38:28] <Vexatos> yes yes he
did
L143[12:38:36] <Vexatos> good job
snagar
L144[12:38:42] <Izaya> well that's a thing
now
L145[12:38:48] <Wuerfel_21>
`snagar`
<Wuerfel_21>
`snagar`L146[12:38:58] <Lizzy> mwahahaha, i am
Supreme Overlady
L147[12:39:19] <Lizzy> of irc anyway, i
think Mimiru has the discord lol
L148[12:39:54] *
CompanionCube found a very big ripoff on HN today
L149[12:40:00] <CompanionCube> https://thehelm.com/
L150[12:40:30] <Lizzy> @Sangar when you
have re-registered with nickserve lemme know and I (may) give you
back founder :P
L151[12:40:46] <CompanionCube> it looks
all well and good...until you go to the shop and see the
price
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L153[12:43:56] <CompanionCube> like, who
would pay $499 and then a subscription fee for a mailserver?
L154[12:44:28] <Kleadron>
at least one person
<Kleadron>
at least one personL155[12:45:02] <Izaya> I'd say "there
has to be some market for it" but I don't think anyone
actually got to thinking about that part
L156[12:45:26] <CompanionCube> Izaya: it's
wierd that the subscription fee is the most reasonable part of the
pricing
L157[12:45:46] <Izaya> a $500 +
subscription cost is insanity for what is basically a RPi with a
hard drive
L158[12:46:06] <CompanionCube> you're
essentially paying $99/yr tunnel+backups+support
L159[12:46:11] <CompanionCube> which isn't
that horrific
L160[12:46:19] <Izaya> could be
worse
L161[12:49:36] <Compu> but
$500 tho
<Compu> but
$500 thoL162[12:49:53] <CompanionCube> yeah, i
wonder how they could justify that base price
L163[12:50:14] <Compu>
maybe they'll claim they only use the best hardware or something
dumb like that
<Compu>
maybe they'll claim they only use the best hardware or something
dumb like thatL164[12:50:36] <CompanionCube> but you
don't need the best hardware for a personal mail server :P
L165[12:50:57] <Izaya> >ARM Cortex
A72
L166[12:51:01] <Izaya> recent, I
suppose
L167[12:51:09] <Izaya> >2GB of
undefined speed ECC RAM
L168[12:51:11] <Izaya> eh.
L169[12:51:22] <Izaya> >128GB of
SSD
L170[12:51:38] <Izaya> we're looking at
like $200 of hardware here
L171[12:51:47] <Izaya> tops
L172[12:51:55] <Vexatos> and a $300 apple™
fee
L173[12:52:03] <Izaya> probably the dumb
case
L174[12:52:05] <Vexatos> sounds normal to
me
L175[12:52:10] <Compu>
maybe they put an apple logo on the hardware
<Compu>
maybe they put an apple logo on the hardwareL176[12:52:11] <Wuerfel_21>
why would you even use a personal mail server? Don't most big
servers have a whitelist that only includes other big servers and
everything else goes straight to the spam folder
<Wuerfel_21>
why would you even use a personal mail server? Don't most big
servers have a whitelist that only includes other big servers and
everything else goes straight to the spam folderL177[12:52:19] <Wuerfel_21>
why would you even use a personal mail server? Don't most big
servers have a whitelist that only includes other big servers and
everything else goes straight to the spam folder? [Edited]
<Wuerfel_21>
why would you even use a personal mail server? Don't most big
servers have a whitelist that only includes other big servers and
everything else goes straight to the spam folder? [Edited]L178[12:52:24] <Izaya> It's not that
there's a whitelist
L179[12:52:35] <Izaya> it's more that the
filters are obnoxiously strict and it's easy to get
blacklisted
L180[12:52:40] <CompanionCube> it's just
that they don't trust random residential IPs because spam
L181[12:52:40] <Lizzy> ^
L182[12:52:52] <CompanionCube> there's a
reason the service includes a tunnel to somewhere else
L183[12:52:57] <Compu> also
that sounds similar to this with an SSD https://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php
<Compu> also
that sounds similar to this with an SSD https://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.phpL184[12:53:14] <Lizzy> I can attest to
Izaya's statement since i've had to unblock my email server from
microsoft's stuff twice now
L185[12:53:18] <CompanionCube> (oh, and
that's even if your ISP actually lets you do mail. It's not
common)
L186[12:53:23] <Compu> or,
if u don't need video output, this https://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G150229074080
which has a built in connector for said SSD
<Compu> or,
if u don't need video output, this https://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G150229074080
which has a built in connector for said SSDL187[12:53:35] <Izaya> tfw ISP gives 0
fucks
L188[12:53:37] <Izaya> feels good
L189[12:53:43] <Vexatos> wait ISP can
block things?
L190[12:53:47] <Wuerfel_21>
most people that can't set up a mail server on a spare computer
they already have will likely habe a residential connection
<Wuerfel_21>
most people that can't set up a mail server on a spare computer
they already have will likely habe a residential connectionL191[12:53:47] <Vexatos> certainly not
over here >_<
L192[12:53:55] <Compu> they
can in the US
<Compu> they
can in the USL193[12:54:04] <CompanionCube> Vexatos:
blocking port 25 isn't entirely unheard of
L194[12:54:08] <Compu> net
neutrality was repealed so they can basically do whatever they
want
<Compu> net
neutrality was repealed so they can basically do whatever they
wantL195[12:54:08] <CompanionCube>
particularly for shit ISPs
L196[12:54:12] <Vexatos> that'd be like
the post refusing to deliver your letter
L197[12:54:24] <Izaya> the post doesn't
refuse to deliver letters at random?
L198[12:54:27] <Izaya> bloody
auspost
L199[12:54:28] <Compu> not
unheard of
<Compu> not
unheard ofL200[12:54:38] <Vexatos> German post is
pretty damn nice
L201[12:54:51] <Vexatos> basically
guaranteed 1-day delivery across the entire country
L202[12:55:05] <Wuerfel_21>
My mom technically has a business plan because they offer higher
upload speed there
<Wuerfel_21>
My mom technically has a business plan because they offer higher
upload speed thereL203[12:55:06] <Izaya> your country is v
smol though
L204[12:55:13] <Izaya> so it's not like
that's a huge achievement
L205[12:55:22] <Compu> how
does the Exynos 5422 compare to the cortex a72
<Compu> how
does the Exynos 5422 compare to the cortex a72L206[12:55:35] <Wuerfel_21>
I wonder wether i can run a mail server there and be not
blacklisted
<Wuerfel_21>
I wonder wether i can run a mail server there and be not
blacklistedL207[12:55:49] <Izaya> wouldn't be
surprised if the Exynos 5422 contains several Cortex cores
L208[12:56:04] <CompanionCube> case in
point: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18238827
L210[12:57:21] <Lizzy> to run a mail
server and not be instantly blocked by any major mail servers, you
need to have at least an rDNS record that points to your system's
hostname/ip. bonus points for SPF/DKIM and DMARC
L211[12:57:55] <Izaya> as far as mail goes
I'm not even bothering
L212[12:58:03] <Lizzy> even then you will
still get blocked by microsoft
L213[12:58:14] <Izaya> I have a cock.li
address (@tfwno.gf, specifically) and that'll do I guess
L214[12:58:24] <Izaya> vc is a reasonable
human being
L215[12:58:42] <Izaya> https://vc.gg/
L216[13:00:02] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
so
L217[13:00:19] *
CompanionCube also wonders how badly it will go when they run out
of $$$
L218[13:00:27] <CompanionCube> are you
stuck with a $500 brick
L219[13:00:36] <Izaya> knowing
startups...
L220[13:03:19] <ZefTheFox>
What are some things you guys have used the servers for?
<ZefTheFox>
What are some things you guys have used the servers for?L221[13:03:36] <Wuerfel_21>
the ingame ones?
<Wuerfel_21>
the ingame ones?L222[13:03:40] <ZefTheFox>
yeah
<ZefTheFox>
yeahL223[13:03:49] <Izaya> lotsa display
outputs
L224[13:03:51] <Izaya> also routers
L225[13:04:01] <Wuerfel_21>
I generally use them as my main PCs because they have more RAM
slots
<Wuerfel_21>
I generally use them as my main PCs because they have more RAM
slotsL226[13:04:10] <Wuerfel_21>
and more card slots
<Wuerfel_21>
and more card slotsL227[13:04:24] <ZefTheFox>
I've made an "internet" of sorts before, back before I
knew anything really valuable about networking
<ZefTheFox>
I've made an "internet" of sorts before, back before I
knew anything really valuable about networkingL228[13:04:35] <Wuerfel_21>
and you can put floppy drives in the rack to save space
<Wuerfel_21>
and you can put floppy drives in the rack to save spaceL229[13:05:10] <ZefTheFox>
I know you can do amazing things with it but I personally haven't
thought of anything
<ZefTheFox>
I know you can do amazing things with it but I personally haven't
thought of anythingL230[13:05:22] <Izaya> advanced mode: 4
network cards in one server for routing between networks
L231[13:05:44] <ZefTheFox>
ohno
<ZefTheFox>
ohnoL232[13:06:06] <ZefTheFox>
I just got my braces off and it's awful
<ZefTheFox>
I just got my braces off and it's awfulL233[13:07:07] <Lizzy> add another server,
designate a side for inter-server communication then add a network
card and linked card to the second server
L234[13:07:47] <Izaya> Lizzy: consolidate
all your edge connections to one point
L235[13:08:10] <Izaya> so you have 3
connections to switches and one to the core router
L236[13:10:18] <ZefTheFox>
I'll have to do more research into networking before doing
that
<ZefTheFox>
I'll have to do more research into networking before doing
thatL237[13:11:12] <Izaya> do you have a
moment to talk about our lord and savior saint ignuicus
L238[13:11:15] <Izaya> I mean
L239[13:11:21] <Izaya> do you have a
moment to talk about the minitel networking stack
L240[13:13:10] <Wuerfel_21>
i do have a minitel network on my server. noone uses it but it's
there
<Wuerfel_21>
i do have a minitel network on my server. noone uses it but it's
thereL241[13:13:24] <Izaya> yay
L242[13:13:28] <Izaya> kinda
L243[13:13:52] <Izaya> anyway
L244[13:13:54] <Izaya> I must sleep
L245[13:14:09] <Izaya> so have a thing I
prepared earlier https://track9.mixtape.moe/alawco.jpg
L246[13:16:54] <Wuerfel_21>
looks like an old magazine ad. You just need to make the heading
bigger
<Wuerfel_21>
looks like an old magazine ad. You just need to make the heading
biggerL247[13:17:58] <Izaya> Work in
progress
L248[13:18:36] <Izaya> Figured I'd put it
up when I redid oc.shadowkat.net
L249[13:18:52] <Izaya> %remindme 9h redo
oc.shadowkat.net
L250[13:18:52] <MichiBot> I'll remind you
about "redo oc.shadowkat.net" at 10/17/2018 10:18:52
PM
L251[13:19:59] <Wuerfel_21>
a real™ computer ad always has a huge heading: http://tinyurl.com/y7gzxpn2
<Wuerfel_21>
a real™ computer ad always has a huge heading: http://tinyurl.com/y7gzxpn2L252[13:21:57] <Izaya> And smaller
text
L253[13:21:59] <Izaya> Hmhm.
L254[13:22:47] <Izaya> I imagine you have
a wide selection of computer ads?
L255[13:23:37] <Wuerfel_21>
not really. but i could gather some more
<Wuerfel_21>
not really. but i could gather some moreL256[13:25:38] <Izaya> Here are mine
https://shadowkat.net/img/cp/
L257[13:27:11] <Wuerfel_21>
wow, that's one slow file server
<Wuerfel_21>
wow, that's one slow file serverL258[13:27:34] <Izaya> seeding a few
torrents
L259[13:27:41] <Izaya> 20Mbps only goes so
far
L260[13:30:49] <Wuerfel_21>
one of the images in the directory reminds me of this one i took at
some point: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/338081788335489024/422897023948292096/20171020_220937.jpg
<Wuerfel_21>
one of the images in the directory reminds me of this one i took at
some point: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/338081788335489024/422897023948292096/20171020_220937.jpgL261[13:32:13] <Wuerfel_21>
it's like a 15 kHz CRT family reunion
<Wuerfel_21>
it's like a 15 kHz CRT family reunionL262[13:32:58] <Wuerfel_21>
And all of them are kindof crap
<Wuerfel_21>
And all of them are kindof crapL263[13:34:08] <Wuerfel_21>
The black one has corrupted firmware that has problems setting up
the analog muxers so you need to split the sync signal into the
front and the RGB into the back
<Wuerfel_21>
The black one has corrupted firmware that has problems setting up
the analog muxers so you need to split the sync signal into the
front and the RGB into the backL264[13:34:28] <Wuerfel_21>
The silver one just has kindof meh picture
<Wuerfel_21>
The silver one just has kindof meh pictureL265[13:34:53] <Wuerfel_21>
the tiny one has terrible quality and needs frequent percussive
maintenence
<Wuerfel_21>
the tiny one has terrible quality and needs frequent percussive
maintenenceL267[13:35:26] <ZefTheFox>
still needs optimised
<ZefTheFox>
still needs optimisedL268[13:35:28] <Wuerfel_21>
the beige one is monochrome (that lewd green) and smells of old
cigarettes
<Wuerfel_21>
the beige one is monochrome (that lewd green) and smells of old
cigarettesL269[13:35:54] <ZefTheFox>
What's that monitor on?
<ZefTheFox>
What's that monitor on?L270[13:37:00] <Wuerfel_21>
which one?
<Wuerfel_21>
which one?L271[13:39:32] <Wuerfel_21>
oh, i read "on" as "for". It's sitting on a
Commodore 128 DCR
<Wuerfel_21>
oh, i read "on" as "for". It's sitting on a
Commodore 128 DCRL272[13:42:35] <CompanionCube> apparently
earlier this month was this nick's 8th anniversary
L273[14:05:02] <Wuerfel_21>
in another server, someone argued that X is better than Y
"because the design is more modern". To which i replied
with this: http://tinyurl.com/ybme2zow
<Wuerfel_21>
in another server, someone argued that X is better than Y
"because the design is more modern". To which i replied
with this: http://tinyurl.com/ybme2zowL274[14:06:38] <Wuerfel_21>
apparently, some quick recoloring makes the old nasty win 2 look
like the shiny modern win 10
<Wuerfel_21>
apparently, some quick recoloring makes the old nasty win 2 look
like the shiny modern win 10L275[14:11:57] <ZefTheFox>
I really do not like modern design
<ZefTheFox>
I really do not like modern designL276[14:12:07] <Skye> I wish we could
reach a balance
L277[14:12:15] <Skye> Well designed and
functional
L278[14:17:00] <Wuerfel_21>
i don't like the word modern because it implies that the design is
somehow newer and or better than those before it. when really,
they're, wether they intend to or not, just bringing back something
they did some decades ago. And it isn't really better, either. A
lot of "modern" designs are barely customizable (remember
the classic windows theme where you can change the global window
background and text colors?), waste screen space and time (f
<Wuerfel_21>
i don't like the word modern because it implies that the design is
somehow newer and or better than those before it. when really,
they're, wether they intend to or not, just bringing back something
they did some decades ago. And it isn't really better, either. A
lot of "modern" designs are barely customizable (remember
the classic windows theme where you can change the global window
background and text colors?), waste screen space and time (fL279[14:17:00] <Wuerfel_21>
silly animations) and often lack options/features/settings that the
non-"modern" versions of the software have. And don't get
me started on hardware design.....
<Wuerfel_21>
silly animations) and often lack options/features/settings that the
non-"modern" versions of the software have. And don't get
me started on hardware design.....L280[14:20:33] <Vexatos> @Wuerfel_21 the
word modern in Latin literally just means "current"
L281[14:20:57] <Wuerfel_21>
i know
<Wuerfel_21>
i knowL282[14:22:45] <Wuerfel_21>
but the way it is used in design, it essentially means "this
is new and shiny and everything before is crap and needs to be
purged from existence"
<Wuerfel_21>
but the way it is used in design, it essentially means "this
is new and shiny and everything before is crap and needs to be
purged from existence"L283[14:23:22] <Compu>
Skye: linux?
<Compu>
Skye: linux?L284[14:24:50] <CompanionCube> any
self-described 'modern' design is usually trash for multiple
reasons
L285[14:24:59] <CompanionCube> (and
customization isn't even the first one)
L286[14:26:19] <CompanionCube> (the first
one would be the cardinal sin: function following form.)
L287[14:42:47] <Skye> Linux software
either looks pretty or works somewhat
L288[14:42:47] <Toothless the
Dragon> what do tablets need to use floppy drives?
<Toothless the
Dragon> what do tablets need to use floppy drives?L289[14:43:12] <Skye> Basically linux can
look pretty, but good luck doing anything without dropping to the
command line
L290[14:43:14] <Skye> Uhh
L291[14:43:24] <Skye> For OC tablets you
need to use the assembler
L292[14:43:26] <Wuerfel_21>
@Toothless the Dragon i think you need to add one in the
assembler
<Wuerfel_21>
@Toothless the Dragon i think you need to add one in the
assemblerL293[14:43:41] <Skye> Add in the floppy
drive in a slot?
L294[14:43:55] <Wuerfel_21>
then you can access it by uhhhh shift-rightclick, i think?
<Wuerfel_21>
then you can access it by uhhhh shift-rightclick, i think?L295[14:44:10] <Toothless the
Dragon> ohh i see, you add the disk drive into the upgrade
slot
<Toothless the
Dragon> ohh i see, you add the disk drive into the upgrade
slotL296[14:44:30] <Toothless the
Dragon> was confusing, since its not really an
"upgrade" per say
<Toothless the
Dragon> was confusing, since its not really an
"upgrade" per sayL297[14:49:58] <Wuerfel_21>
well, IIRC you need to put the keyboard there, too, so the concept
isn't very obscured
<Wuerfel_21>
well, IIRC you need to put the keyboard there, too, so the concept
isn't very obscuredL298[14:50:20] <Toothless the
Dragon> yeah i just made a few and forgot keyboard OOF
<Toothless the
Dragon> yeah i just made a few and forgot keyboard OOFL299[14:51:12] <AmandaC> payonel: OSK for
tablets in OpenOS when? :P
L300[14:51:42] <CompanionCube>
insufficient screen resolution for that i think
L301[15:03:04] <Wuerfel_21>
eh, even a T1 screen could do it
<Wuerfel_21>
eh, even a T1 screen could do itL302[15:03:29] <Wuerfel_21>
and the windowing API is there, too
<Wuerfel_21>
and the windowing API is there, tooL303[15:08:08] <Wuerfel_21>
a t1 screen has 40 columns of text. My random laptop keyboard i
have in front of me has 18 columns of keys.
<Wuerfel_21>
a t1 screen has 40 columns of text. My random laptop keyboard i
have in front of me has 18 columns of keys.L304[15:08:28] <Wuerfel_21>
and that includes a numpad
<Wuerfel_21>
and that includes a numpadL305[15:09:17] <CompanionCube> giving up
half of your screen to a keyboard is a sucky design
L306[15:11:36] <Wuerfel_21>
but it's a compromise for not putting in an actual keybord. also,
if you do it really compact, it's only 6 text lines. a T2 screen
has 25 lines. that's way less than half
<Wuerfel_21>
but it's a compromise for not putting in an actual keybord. also,
if you do it really compact, it's only 6 text lines. a T2 screen
has 25 lines. that's way less than halfL307[15:20:52] <AmandaC> %choose new or
old
L308[15:20:53] <MichiBot> AmandaC: You
*could* do new, I guess.
L309[15:20:57] <AmandaC> Okay
L310[15:21:02] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L311[15:21:02] *
MichiBot brushes AmandaC with blue blood. 2 health
gained!
L312[15:21:28] <Inari> AmandaC: heh
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L316[15:48:26] <ZefTheFox>
How would I create a new file using the filesystem api?
<ZefTheFox>
How would I create a new file using the filesystem api?L317[15:48:33] <dequbed> Saphire: Yes I
know, and that is (part of) the problem with goto.
L318[15:49:20] <dequbed> vifino: context?
o.O
L319[15:56:49] <Wuerfel_21>
goto is useful when you're using a language as a transpilation
target. Also, computed goto tends to be faster than
switch/case
<Wuerfel_21>
goto is useful when you're using a language as a transpilation
target. Also, computed goto tends to be faster than
switch/caseL320[15:59:51] <ZefTheFox>
nvm
<ZefTheFox>
nvmL322[16:08:29] ⇦
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L323[16:17:23] <ZefTheFox>
This is the coolest thing I've made so far
<ZefTheFox>
This is the coolest thing I've made so farL324[16:39:52] ⇦
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L328[18:56:20] <Z0idburg> I
have a 66 block!
<Z0idburg> I
have a 66 block!L329[18:56:25] <Z0idburg>
in my house
<Z0idburg>
in my houseL331[18:57:49] <Z0idburg>
this is what a 66 blcok is
<Z0idburg>
this is what a 66 blcok isL332[18:58:38] <payonel> AmandaC: what is
osk?
L333[19:00:00] <payonel> dequbed: openos
isn't preinstalled though
L334[19:00:21] <payonel> dequbed: and, i
definitely don't claim to do it better :)
L335[19:09:59] <Wuerfel_21>
payonel, OSK is short for on-screen-keyboard
<Wuerfel_21>
payonel, OSK is short for on-screen-keyboardL336[19:31:14] <Z0idburg> I
thought it stood for One Sad Kilobyte
<Z0idburg> I
thought it stood for One Sad KilobyteL337[19:31:15] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L338[19:31:53] <vifino> dequbed: payonel
was sugoi
L339[19:32:36] <vifino> dequbed: also, i
reinstalled my workstation, i forgot how good gentoo feels.
L340[19:32:52] <vifino> 4.2Ghz octacore,
LTO and everything. It's fast. :)
L341[19:33:07] <payonel> @ZefTheFox i dont
recommend you interface with a filesystem api
L342[19:33:11] <payonel> you should be
using io
L343[19:34:10] <vifino> "gentoo and
hardbass" is my mood.
L344[19:36:06] <Wuerfel_21>
a truly dangerous mix
<Wuerfel_21>
a truly dangerous mixL345[19:45:39] <vifino> well, now i'm
recompiling it all for an even more dangerous mix
L346[19:46:11] <vifino> gentoo, -O3, LTO,
graphite, IPA and hardbass.
L347[19:46:31] <payonel> `emerge -e
@world` ftw
L348[19:46:44] <Wuerfel_21>
i don't think i've ever gotten anything to work with LTO
<Wuerfel_21>
i don't think i've ever gotten anything to work with LTOL349[19:47:03] <Wuerfel_21>
granted, the only thing i tried it on was my Wii port of
cannonball
<Wuerfel_21>
granted, the only thing i tried it on was my Wii port of
cannonballL350[19:47:26] <Wuerfel_21>
were compiling with LTO just resulted in a black screen
<Wuerfel_21>
were compiling with LTO just resulted in a black screenL351[19:47:30] <Izaya> I have an LTO tape
drive here
L352[19:47:38] <vifino> <_<
L353[19:47:53] <Wuerfel_21>
LTO = link time optimization
<Wuerfel_21>
LTO = link time optimizationL354[19:48:01] <vifino> HARDBASS PLAY YOU
BLYAT
L355[19:48:14] <Izaya> yeah I know
L357[19:49:52] <MichiBot> The vodka
cooled PC | length: 22m 1s | Likes: 112,757 Dislikes: 1,872 Views: 2,094,162 | by Life of
Boris | Published On 18/8/2018
L358[19:49:58] <vifino> seen it
L359[19:50:08] <vifino> i'm gonna do that
too, maybe
L360[19:50:21] <vifino> not with vodka,
but with havanna club
L361[19:50:29] <vifino> i'm a german
hacker after all, no? ;)
L362[19:50:53] <Izaya> are you the hacker
known as krautchan
L363[19:50:54] <Z0idburg>
vifino
<Z0idburg>
vifinoL364[19:51:00] <Wuerfel_21>
As far as i can tell, german hackers drink club mate
<Wuerfel_21>
As far as i can tell, german hackers drink club mateL365[19:51:00] <vifino> correct
L366[19:51:01] <Z0idburg>
sending text messages to people using dialup modems
<Z0idburg>
sending text messages to people using dialup modemsL367[19:51:02] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L368[19:51:12] <vifino> @Wuerfel_21 ever
been to a ccc event?
L369[19:51:16] <vifino> we drink
tschunk.
L370[19:51:45] <vifino> tschunk is club
mate, havanna club, brown sugar and lime.
L371[19:52:11] <Wuerfel_21>
that sounds strange
<Wuerfel_21>
that sounds strangeL372[19:52:21] <vifino> but it's so
good.
L373[19:52:22] <Wuerfel_21>
then again, i don't drink alcohol
<Wuerfel_21>
then again, i don't drink alcoholL374[19:54:21] <Wuerfel_21>
My bevereges of choice are vanilla coke and extremly sugar-infused
fruit tea
<Wuerfel_21>
My bevereges of choice are vanilla coke and extremly sugar-infused
fruit teaL375[19:56:08] <Izaya> >vanilla
coke
L376[19:56:11] *
Izaya vomits
L377[20:05:39] <vifino> same
L378[20:06:12] <vifino> like if you mix it
with cherry coke, 90/10, maybe, MAYBE
L379[20:07:49] <Wuerfel_21>
drink it while eating ketchup pringles for maximum pleasure
<Wuerfel_21>
drink it while eating ketchup pringles for maximum pleasureL380[20:08:37] <Izaya> >ketchup
pringles
L381[20:08:44] <Izaya> That is either
terrible or excellent
L382[20:09:46] <vifino> what the
fuCK
L383[20:09:50] <vifino> i am
disgusted.
L384[20:11:18] <Wuerfel_21>
CK
<Wuerfel_21>
CKL385[20:11:45] <vifino> yes, starting to
yell half-way through fuck
L386[20:11:51] <Wuerfel_21>
also, i can testify that ketchup pringles are excellent
<Wuerfel_21>
also, i can testify that ketchup pringles are excellentL387[20:11:53] <vifino> because what the
fuCK is this
L388[20:12:26] <Wuerfel_21>
then again, i eat pringles in a very strange way: i lick them
before i eat them
<Wuerfel_21>
then again, i eat pringles in a very strange way: i lick them
before i eat themL389[20:12:50] <vifino> ok you gotta be
making that shit up
L390[20:13:00] <vifino> I REFUSE TO
BELIEVE IT ANY OTHER WAY
L391[20:13:46] <Wuerfel_21>
no, that is actually what i do. I am strange
<Wuerfel_21>
no, that is actually what i do. I am strangeL392[20:19:53] <Temia> Ketchup chips are
boss.
L393[20:19:55] <Temia> Signed, a
canadian.
L394[20:21:27] <vifino> you're weird
anyway, Temia.
L395[20:21:32] <Temia> WHAT
L396[20:21:47] <vifino> (in a good way,
mostly)
L397[20:21:59] <vifino> but ketchup chips?
nuh-uh.
L398[20:22:38] <Temia> They're in pretty
much any Canadian grocery store
L399[20:22:45] <vifino> yuck.
L400[20:23:16] <Wuerfel_21>
catgirls + ketchup chips = yum?
<Wuerfel_21>
catgirls + ketchup chips = yum?L401[20:23:16] <Temia> Have you had
them?
L402[20:23:32] <Temia> I'm a minotaur
though. '^'
L403[20:23:56] <Wuerfel_21>
or that, i guess
<Wuerfel_21>
or that, i guessL404[20:25:27] <Wuerfel_21>
then again, what do i have to go off?
<Wuerfel_21>
then again, what do i have to go off?L405[20:26:02] <vifino> Temia: yes, they
are weird.
L406[20:26:18] <Temia> Oh, okay.
L407[20:26:19] <Temia> Fair.
L408[20:26:38] <Temia> My corded icon has
horns, doesn't it?
L409[20:26:48] <Wuerfel_21>
what is wiered and not yum: salt&vinegar pringles
<Wuerfel_21>
what is wiered and not yum: salt&vinegar pringlesL410[20:27:03] <Izaya> that's because
you're eating pringles
L411[20:27:11] <Izaya> tastes way better
as normal potato crisps
L412[20:27:15] <Temia> Aren't pringles
just... processed chips anyway?
L413[20:27:29] <vifino> it tastes a lot
like lots of flavour enhancer and sugar.
L414[20:27:32] <Temia> Ugh, now I want
ketchup chips
L415[20:27:35] <Temia> Why do you do this
to me
L416[20:27:40] <Izaya> go eat some
then
L417[20:27:41] <vifino> real ketchup
tastes less terrible.
L418[20:27:47] <Wuerfel_21>
Temia: yes it does, but heck if i took avatars as more than icons,
the implications would be... strange
<Wuerfel_21>
Temia: yes it does, but heck if i took avatars as more than icons,
the implications would be... strangeL419[20:27:49] <CompanionCube> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45891126
it's partly because bad writing
L420[20:28:00] <CompanionCube> but this
sounds very cyberpunk
L421[20:28:00] <Temia> That sounds like
you had bad ketchup chips, Vifino D:
L422[20:28:05] <Izaya> almost as if
avatars are meaningless
L423[20:28:34] <vifino> heck, i agree with
Izaya, salt and vinegar chips are nice sometimes.
L424[20:28:54] <Izaya> vifino: buttered
white bread, salt and vinegar chips
L425[20:28:56] <Izaya> delicious
L426[20:30:55] <vifino> it would be nice
to eat food.
L427[20:31:22] <Wuerfel_21>
now i'm hungry, too. what a terrible fate.
<Wuerfel_21>
now i'm hungry, too. what a terrible fate.L428[20:31:28] <Izaya> food is nice
sometimes
L429[20:31:31] <Izaya> tfw eating right
now
L430[20:31:42] <Izaya> chicken kiev for
breakfast except it's after midday
L431[20:32:10] <CompanionCube> (also,
jesus that's an overreaction to cheating)
L432[20:32:26] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
cyberpunk is now
L433[20:32:30] <Izaya> we've been
cheated
L434[20:32:56] <Izaya> our future doesn't
have /cyb/ robot waifus or flying cars or anything
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L436[20:33:13] <Temia> Just you wait
L437[20:33:13] <CompanionCube> we only get
the bad parts
L438[20:33:17] <Temia> I will become the
robot waifu
L439[20:33:25] <vifino> Temia: feel free
to bring some ketchup chips to me..
L440[20:33:27] <Izaya> o-oh
L441[20:33:37] <vifino> wait what, robot
waifu?
L442[20:33:43] <CompanionCube> but i don't
want a robot cow waifu
L443[20:33:45] <Izaya> Temia: I'm glad
someone's working on it, then
L444[20:33:47] <Temia> And then I will
lead the robot waifu revolution +_+
L445[20:33:48] <vifino> hopefully not
using keyboards as we know it
L446[20:33:56] <vifino> man i hate
keycodes.
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L448[20:34:33] <vifino> also, apparently,
my screen locker is in @system now.
L449[20:34:43] <Temia> THE CUTIES SHALL
INHERIT THE EARTH
L450[20:34:49] <vifino> .. didn't know my
base system needs an X11 screen locker.
L451[20:34:50] <CompanionCube> vifino: in
the future the only input device is a bad-quality touchscreen but
it has no keycodes
L452[20:34:53] <CompanionCube> and
wat
L453[20:34:58] <CompanionCube> how is that
in @system
L454[20:35:03] <vifino> i don't know
L455[20:35:20] <vifino> might be some
leftovers from @world
L456[20:35:31] <vifino> maybe i didn't
emerge it all the way or something.
L457[20:35:38] <vifino> maybe just deps,
because i am rebuilding things.
L458[20:35:48] <vifino> (i love emerge's
--jobs)
L459[20:36:07] <Wuerfel_21>
`I will lead the robot waifu revolution` haha that ship has sailed
a long time ago
<Wuerfel_21>
`I will lead the robot waifu revolution` haha that ship has sailed
a long time agoL460[20:36:19] <Temia> Darn, late to the
punch again ;_;
L461[20:36:21] <vifino> high parallelity
make flags plus -j will result in a lot of cpu usage.
L462[20:37:20] <Izaya> https://betamax.video/videos/watch/72cbe528-7fc2-43cb-9a4c-8ec8fdfdd80d
L463[20:37:20] <Temia> Well, I haven't
seen enough executives defenstrated from their penthouses by robot
girls so CLEARLY WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING WELL ENOUGH
L464[20:37:28] <CompanionCube> as the
phrase goes
L465[20:37:29] <Compu> but
temia, i'm the robot waifu
<Compu> but
temia, i'm the robot waifuL466[20:37:40] <CompanionCube> if your
load isn't roughly equal to cpu cores during a compile
L467[20:37:43] <Temia> :D
L468[20:37:46] <CompanionCube> there's not
enough parallelism
L469[20:38:12] <vifino> yep
L470[20:38:23] <vifino> to two
times*
L471[20:38:32] *
CompanionCube silently wishes for epyc/threadripper
L472[20:38:34] <vifino> load average of
27, getting there.
L473[20:38:39] <CompanionCube> 32 cores
onnomnomno
L474[20:38:56] <Izaya> tfw finally got
4C/8T
L475[20:38:59] <vifino> i'm probably
getting either an epyc rig or a talos 9.
L476[20:39:07] <vifino> talos power
9*
L477[20:39:16] <vifino> ie talos 2
L478[20:39:30] <Izaya> did you guys see
the even more cost reduced board Raptor is working on?
L479[20:39:35] <vifino> yeah
L480[20:39:36] <Izaya> It's one I could
actually consider \o/
L481[20:39:42] <CompanionCube> how 'low
cost'
L482[20:39:45] <vifino> but only one
processor ;(
L483[20:39:46] <Izaya> only like
800AUD
L484[20:39:49] <CompanionCube>
....huh
L485[20:40:08] <CompanionCube> less than
£500
L486[20:40:41] <CompanionCube> Izaya: if
it makes you feel better my 8 cores are bulldozer
L487[20:40:49] <vifino> lol
L488[20:40:52] <CompanionCube> so while
there's no PSP...it's bulldozer.
L489[20:40:54] <vifino> i feel bad for
you
L490[20:40:57] <Izaya> ... so you have
like 4 cores?
L491[20:41:02] <vifino> yeah
L492[20:42:11] <CompanionCube> very
acceptable compie
L493[20:42:17] <CompanionCube> comple
though
L494[20:42:52] <CompanionCube> 30-40m to
do a firefox build at nice 19
L495[20:43:14] <vifino> with what flags?
:P
L496[20:43:15] <Izaya> vifino: my issue is
the >only 2 DIMM slots
L497[20:43:22] <Izaya> but it's DDR4 so
you can just get fuckhuge sticks
L498[20:43:34] <vifino> Izaya: like you'd
get more than 64gb
L499[20:43:37] <CompanionCube> vifino: the
standard safe ones
L500[20:43:50] <Izaya> vifino: overkill
for me presently but I like to keep my options open
L501[20:43:56] <vifino> CompanionCube: do
you have at least an -march=native?
L502[20:44:03] <vifino> or are you really,
really..
L503[20:44:09] <vifino> like... how do i
put this.
L504[20:44:24] <CompanionCube> vifino: is
that not part of the standard safe ones :P
L505[20:44:27] <Izaya> "are you a
genkernel pleb"?
L506[20:44:43] <vifino> oh, you don't mean
the standard flags
L507[20:44:46] <vifino> oh my god
L508[20:45:01] <vifino> i was very very
upset just now
L509[20:45:04] <vifino> ._.
L510[20:45:07] <CompanionCube> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Safe_CFLAGS :p
L511[20:45:30] <vifino> yeah i know
L512[20:45:37] <vifino> basically
-march=native -O2 -pipe
L513[20:45:54] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
genkernel does an OK job of being a fancy makefile.
L514[20:46:09] <vifino> also woop, python
compiled with -O3, LTO, graphite, IPA and PGO :D
L515[20:46:21] <vifino> now portage will
be faster
L516[20:46:22] <Izaya> I'm just
shitposting I don't even have a custom kernel
L517[20:47:27] *
CompanionCube should likely update his
L518[20:47:32] <CompanionCube> i've not
done it since july
L519[20:47:37] <vifino> i use
genkernel-next, it does what i want
L520[20:47:39] <CompanionCube> maybe when
4.19 comes out
L521[20:47:50] <Izaya> Linux nagato
4.18.12-arch1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 4 01:01:27 UTC 2018
x86_64 GNU/Linux
L522[20:47:54] <Izaya> zero fucks
given
L523[20:48:09] *
CompanionCube is on 4.17.6
L524[20:48:18] <vifino> Linux zen
4.17.11-ck #1 SMP PREEMPT <snip>
L525[20:48:35] <CompanionCube> Linux
mute-ai 4.17.6-ck #1 SMP PREEMPT
L526[20:48:44] *
vifino ^5 CompanionCube
L527[20:48:48] <Izaya> do any of the
patchsets actually significantly improve gaming
L528[20:49:02] <vifino> depends?
L529[20:49:24] <CompanionCube> vifino: i
also have basically zero modules
L530[20:49:28] <CompanionCube> build-in
all the things
L531[20:49:56] <vifino> con kolivas'
kernel is pretty good, does slightly better multitasking.
L532[20:50:10] <vifino> konivas?
L533[20:50:23] <vifino> i think it's the
former. dunno
L534[20:50:42] <CompanionCube> vifino: did
you compile yours with march=native? i did because why not
L535[20:50:53] <vifino> duh?
L536[20:51:16] <vifino> it does make a
difference if you have a modern cpu last i checked
L537[20:51:51] <vifino> or, well, at least
the compiler has the option
L538[20:52:07] *
CompanionCube uses dracut for initramfs not genkernel
L539[20:52:24] <vifino> i also use dash as
my /bin/sh because i love scripting.
L540[20:52:30] <vifino> and prelink my
whole system.
L541[20:52:48] <CompanionCube> that last
one's a joke right?
L542[20:52:52] <vifino> nope.
L543[20:53:05] <CompanionCube> y'know
prelinking and ASLR are not a thing together
L544[20:53:12] <vifino> pfft
L545[20:53:48] <Izaya> am I a bad person
if I turned off meltdown mitigation
L546[20:54:01] <CompanionCube> i do
it
L547[20:54:05] <vifino> -R does enough™,
CompanionCube.
L548[20:54:08] <CompanionCube> but then
again i'm on an AMD CPU
L549[20:54:40] <CompanionCube> vifino: why
have some when you can have the whole shebang
L550[20:54:42] <vifino> this is no server,
it doesn't matter™.
L551[20:55:21] <vifino> it's a
habit.
L552[20:55:49] <vifino> and, yknow, it
doesn't matter.
L553[20:56:02] *
CompanionCube wonders who has the bigger kernel image
randomly
L554[20:56:08] <vifino> oh
L555[20:56:13] <vifino> oh so this is what
it comes down to
L556[20:56:21] <vifino> "who's got
the biggest"?
L557[20:56:24] <CompanionCube> lol
L558[20:56:36] <Izaya> but is bigger
better or worse?
L559[20:56:43] <vifino> neither.
L560[20:56:45] <CompanionCube> ^
L561[20:56:48] <Wuerfel_21>
I wonder: how does computed goto work in PIC mode? (i.e. so/dll
files and those stupid PIE executables)
<Wuerfel_21>
I wonder: how does computed goto work in PIC mode? (i.e. so/dll
files and those stupid PIE executables)L562[20:57:06] <vifino> relative
jumps?
L563[20:57:21] <CompanionCube> doesn't
amd64 have RIP-relative addressing or something?
L564[20:57:26] <vifino> yes.
L565[20:57:30] <vifino> relative
jumps.
L566[20:58:01] <vifino> every sane arch
does relative jumps.
L567[20:58:26] *
CompanionCube has very few non-PIE executables
L568[20:58:34] <Wuerfel_21>
i guess that makes sense
<Wuerfel_21>
i guess that makes senseL569[20:59:12] <Wuerfel_21>
PIE is tha shiz though. No inline ASM, no fun.
<Wuerfel_21>
PIE is tha shiz though. No inline ASM, no fun.L570[21:00:10] <vifino> also,
CompanionCube, i have apparmor enforced. many profiles.
L571[21:00:26] <vifino> what does PIE have
to do with assembly?
L572[21:00:46] *
CompanionCube isn't on hardened profile
L573[21:00:53] <Wuerfel_21>
PIE can't do assembly without rewriting the assembly for it
<Wuerfel_21>
PIE can't do assembly without rewriting the assembly for itL574[21:01:04] <vifino> only if you're
writing bad assembly?
L575[21:01:43] <vifino> CompanionCube:
apparmor and libressl i have.
L576[21:01:56] <vifino> you complain about
prelink? don't mind. :^)
L577[21:03:04] <CompanionCube> i assume
you like apparmor because selinux a shit? (which is likely
true)
L578[21:03:06] <Wuerfel_21>
well, when you expect to read stuff from a constant address, having
the whole memory map scrambled around, that won't work
<Wuerfel_21>
well, when you expect to read stuff from a constant address, having
the whole memory map scrambled around, that won't workL579[21:04:14] <Wuerfel_21>
also, static linking with LTO is the way™
<Wuerfel_21>
also, static linking with LTO is the way™L580[21:04:35] *
CompanionCube glares at Wuerfel_21
L581[21:04:36] *
Izaya writes executables to tape
L582[21:04:41] <Izaya> Am I doing it
right?
L583[21:04:50] <CompanionCube> what is it
with people and static linking
L584[21:04:55] <vifino> CompanionCube:
yeah, selinux is not so friendly
L585[21:05:06] <vifino> apparmor has
easier rules -> less effort to write rules
L586[21:07:08] *
CompanionCube does not understand why people like to statically
link all the things for programs
L587[21:07:22] <vifino> it's faster
:^)
L588[21:07:27] <Wuerfel_21>
static linking with LTO can have better performance, because the
compiler can know what the library is doing when you call it, so it
doesn't need to refetch stuff. Then again, it is late and i'm just
saying wiered things on the internet again
<Wuerfel_21>
static linking with LTO can have better performance, because the
compiler can know what the library is doing when you call it, so it
doesn't need to refetch stuff. Then again, it is late and i'm just
saying wiered things on the internet againL589[21:08:55] <vifino> oof, pgo, -O3,
LTO, graphite made the build go from 1:45m to 6:12m
L590[21:09:21] <vifino> expected, but a
bit sad.
L591[21:09:41] <CompanionCube> vifino:
hey, at least you're not building LLVM on my previous phenom
computer
L592[21:09:48] <CompanionCube> that was a
special kind of pain
L593[21:09:52] <vifino> oh.. oh no
L594[21:10:04] <vifino> i just realized,
i'll be building llvm with this
L595[21:10:13] <vifino> welp, good i have
32gb ram
L596[21:10:27] <CompanionCube> llvm isn't
that bad if you have enough cores
L597[21:10:34] <CompanionCube> (and
ram)
L598[21:10:42] <vifino> ... no shit,
sherlock.
L599[21:10:44] <vifino> LTO.
L600[21:10:45] <vifino> Graphite.
L601[21:10:48] <vifino> PGO.
L602[21:10:54] <CompanionCube> on ye olde
phenom a vanilla build took hours
L603[21:10:58] <CompanionCube> because 2GB
RAM
L604[21:11:13] <CompanionCube> (and it had
to be 3 jobs because 5 caused responsiveness to go shit)
L605[21:11:32] <CompanionCube> (oh, and no
tmpfs for /var/tmp/portage either)
L606[21:13:51] <vifino> i have a zram for
/var/tmp/portage set up
L607[21:26:42] <vifino> nvm i apparently
already built llvm
L608[21:26:45] <vifino> ._.
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L613[22:18:52] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER:
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L614[22:19:05] <Izaya> right