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loot box! It contains a pretty average hat.
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L17[06:15:07] <tim4242>
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%lootL18[06:15:07] <MichiBot> tim4242: You get a
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L19[06:58:33] <AmandaC> Lizzy: you might be
able to get away with just adding `[::]:(port)` to the listening
things
L20[06:58:52] <AmandaC> That's the
ipv6 equivalent of 0.0.0.0
L21[07:07:19] <Lizzy> AmandaC, https://github.com/jvinet/knock/issues/8
doesn't seem yet to have been included at all... i'll try
the [::] stuff though in case that magically works
L22[07:07:20] <MichiBot> Title:
Consider ipv6 | Posted by: tigerfoot | Posted: Sat
Mar 01 04:31:22 CST 2014 | Status: open
L23[07:08:15] <Lizzy> hmm, actually lets go
look at some of the forks
L24[07:10:27] <Lizzy> it would seem
there's a fork with ipv6 stuff
L25[07:27:03] <Durex77>
who know servers 1.7.10 with OC ?
<Durex77>
who know servers 1.7.10 with OC ?L26[08:11:20] ⇦
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L28[08:59:41] <Inari> AmandaC: https://preview.redd.it/4v307vz3whq11.jpg and you
thought cats sitting on keyboards was bad
L29[08:59:58] <Inari> * https://i.redd.it/4v307vz3whq11.jpg fixed url
:P
L30[09:00:02] <Inari> Temia: ^ birb
L31[09:07:16] <AmandaC> Inari: I've
never thought it bad to sit on the warms, though?
L32[09:10:10] *
AmandaC sits down next to Inari's tower's output vent,
having caused sufficent warms by sitting on the input
vent
L33[09:15:07] *
Lizzy wonders if AmandaC wants to sit next to her computer, that is
currently outputting a steady 63C :P
L34[09:15:40] <AmandaC> but that's all
the way over theeerrreeee
L35[09:16:13] <Lizzian>
well, give it enough time and this'll warm the room up
<Lizzian>
well, give it enough time and this'll warm the room upL36[09:21:54] <Mettaton_Fab> my PC doesnt want to heat
the room
<Mettaton_Fab> my PC doesnt want to heat
the roomL37[09:22:21] <Mettaton_Fab> all the heat it produces
only moves into a fanless area
<Mettaton_Fab> all the heat it produces
only moves into a fanless areaL38[09:22:43] <Izaya> tfw GPU idles on
53C
L39[09:24:05] <Mettaton_Fab> tfw cpu idles at 55°C
<Mettaton_Fab> tfw cpu idles at 55°CL40[09:24:13] <Izaya> bulldozer?
L41[09:24:32] <Mettaton_Fab> nah
<Mettaton_Fab> nahL42[09:24:35] <Mettaton_Fab> Q6600
<Mettaton_Fab> Q6600L43[09:25:11] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/CmsOYVj.png
L44[09:26:33] <vifino> my thinkpad also
idles at 54 ish degrees.
L45[09:27:11] <vifino> Izaya: what terminal
do you use?
L46[09:27:15] <vifino> st?
L47[09:27:18] <vifino> urxvt?
L48[09:27:23] <Izaya> xfce4-terminal or
urxvt
L49[09:27:37] <Izaya> depending on whether
I'm using xfce or not
L50[09:27:42] <vifino> xfce4-terminal
should be a vte-based one, right?
L51[09:28:04] <vifino> try building and
running sled with the new ANSI output.
L52[09:28:04] <Izaya> I think so
L53[09:28:09] <Izaya> ooo
L54[09:28:22] <vifino> needs 24bit color
and unicode, but the result is pretty good.
L55[09:29:06] <vifino> needs a beefy cpu
for bigger windows, beware.
L56[09:29:16] <Izaya> define beefy
L57[09:29:33] <vifino> my t61 is not too
happy with some animations.
L58[09:29:46] <vifino> might be musl's
fault though.
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L60[10:08:01] <Z0idburg>
Hm.
<Z0idburg>
Hm.L61[10:08:39] <Z0idburg>
Izaya, you don't happen to know where you can get PSU
enclosures that hold multiple PSU units that fit in a normal PSU
form factor, do you?
<Z0idburg>
Izaya, you don't happen to know where you can get PSU
enclosures that hold multiple PSU units that fit in a normal PSU
form factor, do you?L62[10:08:51] <Izaya> I can't say I
do
L63[10:09:37] <Z0idburg>
I'm looking at some barebones 4U server chassis, and I'm
having trouble finding any.
<Z0idburg>
I'm looking at some barebones 4U server chassis, and I'm
having trouble finding any.L64[10:09:52] <Z0idburg> I
can find PSUs everywhere for servers
<Z0idburg> I
can find PSUs everywhere for serversL65[10:10:00] <Z0idburg>
just not the enclosure bays
<Z0idburg>
just not the enclosure baysL66[10:10:43] <Z0idburg> I
found one!
<Z0idburg> I
found one!L67[10:10:50] <Izaya> :D
L68[10:10:55] <Z0idburg>
they were under the redundant power supply section of newegg
<Z0idburg>
they were under the redundant power supply section of neweggL69[10:10:59] <Z0idburg>
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=redundant%20power%20supply&Submit=ENE
<Z0idburg>
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=redundant%20power%20supply&Submit=ENEL71[10:13:15] <Izaya> looks
reasonable
L72[10:13:22] <Z0idburg>
It's a bit pricey
<Z0idburg>
It's a bit priceyL73[10:13:34] <Z0idburg>
but has a lot of space
<Z0idburg>
but has a lot of spaceL74[10:13:43] <Izaya> aye plenty of space
in a deep 4U chasis
L75[10:14:49] <Z0idburg> I
am unsure whether I should go AMD or intel. AMD can be more
expensive when opterons are involved
<Z0idburg> I
am unsure whether I should go AMD or intel. AMD can be more
expensive when opterons are involvedL76[10:14:56] <Z0idburg>
but more cores = more erlang fun
<Z0idburg>
but more cores = more erlang funL77[10:15:29] <vifino> >opterons
L78[10:15:31] <Z0idburg> I
can get this a little cheaper, but this is a motherboard I was
looking at for it: https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-DDR3-Server-Motherboard-X9DR3-F/dp/B007S9ZTP2
<Z0idburg> I
can get this a little cheaper, but this is a motherboard I was
looking at for it: https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-DDR3-Server-Motherboard-X9DR3-F/dp/B007S9ZTP2L79[10:15:47] <vifino> just get some amd
ryzen/threadripper chips.
L80[10:15:48] <Z0idburg>
which takes LGA 2011 Xeons
<Z0idburg>
which takes LGA 2011 XeonsL81[10:15:55] <Izaya> did you hear about
the possible supermicro compromise
L82[10:16:01] <Z0idburg>
wat?
<Z0idburg>
wat?L83[10:16:11] <Z0idburg>
no
<Z0idburg>
noL84[10:16:16] <vifino> yeah, you're
definitly gonna want a supermicro board, Z0idburg.
L85[10:16:16] <Izaya> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
L86[10:16:32] <Izaya> how much you trust
the story is one thing but uh
L87[10:16:34] <Izaya> that's a
thing
L88[10:16:48] <Z0idburg>
ok what happened
<Z0idburg>
ok what happenedL89[10:17:08] <vifino> China™.
L90[10:17:18] <Izaya> tl;dr supermicro has
been accused of putting backdoor chips on server boards but all
companies involved are denying it
L91[10:17:27] <Inari> Izaya: What a
terrible theme
L92[10:18:16] <vifino> Izaya: what a
terrible os.
L93[10:18:26] <vifino> nice theme,
though.
L94[10:18:38] <Izaya> what
L95[10:18:42] <Inari> What OS
L96[10:19:00] <vifino> debian?
L97[10:19:01] <Z0idburg>
well
<Z0idburg>
wellL98[10:19:10] <Inari> Dunno
L99[10:19:14] <Z0idburg>
it would be quite a feat to do that
<Z0idburg>
it would be quite a feat to do thatL100[10:19:14] <Inari> WAs talking about
the Bloomberg theme
L101[10:19:28] <Z0idburg>
because they would have to intentionally put it in the full design
period
<Z0idburg>
because they would have to intentionally put it in the full design
periodL102[10:19:31] <Izaya> vifino: to what are
you referring
L103[10:19:37] <vifino> oh, i was talking
about https://i.imgur.com/CmsOYVj.png
L104[10:19:44] <Inari> See
L105[10:19:47] <Inari> thats a better dark
theme
L106[10:19:53] <Izaya> vifino: 's
just arch
L107[10:19:53] <Inari> It understands that
you don't put #fff on #000
L108[10:19:55] <Izaya> I'm lazy
L109[10:20:03] <Z0idburg> a
lot of people woulkd have to be involved to pull something like
that off for supermicro
<Z0idburg> a
lot of people woulkd have to be involved to pull something like
that off for supermicroL110[10:20:04] <vifino> Izaya: oh, i
thought you'd still use debian.
L111[10:20:10] <Izaya> I use debian on
servers
L112[10:20:14] <Z0idburg>
its not something you can just plug in
<Z0idburg>
its not something you can just plug inL113[10:20:15] <Izaya> but it's
easier to get games working on arch
L114[10:20:24] <Z0idburg>
well if I get this server in
<Z0idburg>
well if I get this server inL115[10:20:27] <Z0idburg>
FreeBSD is going on it
<Z0idburg>
FreeBSD is going on itL116[10:20:36] <vifino> yeah, it's
easier when you're not years behind on updates.
L117[10:20:48] <Z0idburg>
right now I have a dual xeon proliant G3 server
<Z0idburg>
right now I have a dual xeon proliant G3 serverL118[10:20:54] <Z0idburg>
it is connected to a dialup modem
<Z0idburg>
it is connected to a dialup modemL119[10:20:55] <vifino> yuck.
L120[10:20:59] <vifino> cool.
L121[10:21:01] <Z0idburg>
so you can log in / dialout over ssh at any time
<Z0idburg>
so you can log in / dialout over ssh at any timeL122[10:21:09] <Izaya> G3... what CPU gen
is that
L123[10:21:18] <vifino> pre-nehalem
L124[10:21:20] <Z0idburg>
its shitty is what it is
<Z0idburg>
its shitty is what it isL125[10:21:25] <Z0idburg>
it's 32bit
<Z0idburg>
it's 32bitL126[10:21:30] <Izaya> netbust?
L127[10:21:38] <vifino> sounds about
right
L128[10:21:41] <Z0idburg>
the ultra320 drives are failing in it
<Z0idburg>
the ultra320 drives are failing in itL129[10:21:55] <Z0idburg>
so I'm thinking of building a server from scratch
<Z0idburg>
so I'm thinking of building a server from scratchL130[10:22:02] <Z0idburg>
with more storage options
<Z0idburg>
with more storage optionsL131[10:22:05] <vifino> Izaya: you know
the cat-v guys?
L132[10:22:12] <Izaya> tfw dual P3 1Ghz
server with 768M of RAM and 150GB of Ultra320 SCSI drives
L133[10:22:18] <Z0idburg>
we're going to set it up in a friends basement who has
fiber
<Z0idburg>
we're going to set it up in a friends basement who has
fiberL134[10:22:20] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L135[10:22:22] <Izaya> vifino: I know of
the place/project, not really the people
L136[10:22:45] <vifino> at least two or
three are going to a vintage computing festival in berlin, making a
9front stand and stuff..
L137[10:22:45] <Z0idburg>
yes I'vre had a dual P3 intel server board before but with
4GB
<Z0idburg>
yes I'vre had a dual P3 intel server board before but with
4GBL138[10:22:50] <Z0idburg>
and ultra160s
<Z0idburg>
and ultra160sL139[10:22:52] <Z0idburg> 7
of them
<Z0idburg> 7
of themL140[10:22:56] <Z0idburg>
oh ph oh
<Z0idburg>
oh ph ohL141[10:23:00] <Izaya> fug I only have
5
L142[10:23:06] <Z0idburg>
can you put ultra160 drives in a 320 interface?
<Z0idburg>
can you put ultra160 drives in a 320 interface?L143[10:23:09] <vifino> kinda tempted to
just come there to meet some 9front guys.
L144[10:23:12] <Z0idburg>
you can apparently gpo the other directin
<Z0idburg>
you can apparently gpo the other directinL145[10:23:14] <Izaya> yeah I think
so
L146[10:23:19] <Z0idburg>
maybe ill do that as a temp fix
<Z0idburg>
maybe ill do that as a temp fixL147[10:23:33] <Z0idburg>
because right now at my house
<Z0idburg>
because right now at my houseL148[10:23:35] <Izaya> it's a shame
mine doesn't have AGP, it'd be a beast of a machine
L149[10:23:35] <Z0idburg> I
have no DHCP
<Z0idburg> I
have no DHCPL150[10:23:49] <Z0idburg>
because the bootloader got shot
<Z0idburg>
because the bootloader got shotL151[10:23:56] <Z0idburg>
and I hadn't moved it to netboot yet
<Z0idburg>
and I hadn't moved it to netboot yetL152[10:23:56] <Izaya> vifino: old
computers and 9front sounds like a good time
L153[10:24:13] <vifino> yeah.
L154[10:24:22] <vifino> it's in like
a week though.
L155[10:24:30] <vifino> and in berlin,
which is half way across germany.
L156[10:24:38] <Z0idburg>
you know what'd be nice
<Z0idburg>
you know what'd be niceL157[10:24:51] <Z0idburg>
if I could find a nice server board with pci express
passthrough
<Z0idburg>
if I could find a nice server board with pci express
passthroughL158[10:24:54] <Z0idburg>
so I can run Xen
<Z0idburg>
so I can run XenL159[10:25:00] <Z0idburg>
run VMs on it for my little servers and experiments
<Z0idburg>
run VMs on it for my little servers and experimentsL160[10:25:06] <vifino> erlangonxen is
dead, Zoidburg.
L161[10:25:07] <King Seff /
Stumblinbear> Hey is anyone interested in my big
reactor/turbine/battery management script?
<King Seff /
Stumblinbear> Hey is anyone interested in my big
reactor/turbine/battery management script?L162[10:25:08] <Z0idburg>
then run windows 10 gaming VM
<Z0idburg>
then run windows 10 gaming VML163[10:25:09] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L164[10:25:11] <Izaya> Z0idburg: I got
myself a Catalyst 3750 because I was sick of 10/100 and now
I'm re-organising the server setup
L165[10:25:28] <Izaya> I'm gonna get
myself some cute Optiplex 9020s and stick them on a shelf in a
small rack
L166[10:25:34] <Izaya> you can fit 2 laid
down in a 19" rack
L167[10:25:35] <King Seff /
Stumblinbear> Needs some optimizations before I'd release
it, however
<King Seff /
Stumblinbear> Needs some optimizations before I'd release
it, howeverL168[10:25:39] <Z0idburg>
oh shit thats right I have to buy a KVM now
<Z0idburg>
oh shit thats right I have to buy a KVM nowL169[10:25:47] <Z0idburg>
to connect all of my computers together
<Z0idburg>
to connect all of my computers togetherL170[10:25:57] <Z0idburg>
so, my Pentium 1 box is screwy
<Z0idburg>
so, my Pentium 1 box is screwyL171[10:26:04] <Izaya> I have two KVM
switches but I have no idea where they are
L172[10:26:07] <Z0idburg>
FreeDOS was like your bios is broken
<Z0idburg>
FreeDOS was like your bios is brokenL173[10:26:16] <Z0idburg>
so I got my hands on a Pentium II box
<Z0idburg>
so I got my hands on a Pentium II boxL174[10:26:27] <Z0idburg>
and I can't get it to install FreeDOS for some reason
<Z0idburg>
and I can't get it to install FreeDOS for some reasonL175[10:26:44] <Z0idburg> I
got too many problem projects atm
<Z0idburg> I
got too many problem projects atmL176[10:27:00] <Z0idburg>
my dialup modem has no dialtone right now because my MTA doesnt get
DHCP yet
<Z0idburg>
my dialup modem has no dialtone right now because my MTA doesnt get
DHCP yetL177[10:27:16] <vifino> oh, Z0idburg, you
like thinkpads right?
L178[10:27:17] <Z0idburg>
and I havent logged into configure it
<Z0idburg>
and I havent logged into configure itL179[10:27:19] <Z0idburg>
yes
<Z0idburg>
yesL180[10:27:29] <Z0idburg>
anything older than 530s
<Z0idburg>
anything older than 530sL181[10:27:30] <vifino> my t61 has a
quadcore now =)
L182[10:27:39] <Z0idburg>
how..
<Z0idburg>
how..L183[10:27:40] <Z0idburg>
heh
<Z0idburg>
hehL184[10:27:45] <Z0idburg> I
have a t60
<Z0idburg> I
have a t60L185[10:28:05] <Z0idburg> I
have a T530 right now but not very impressed with it
<Z0idburg> I
have a T530 right now but not very impressed with itL186[10:28:20] <Z0idburg>
it';s nice but it's like a hybrid between good design and
sucky
<Z0idburg>
it';s nice but it's like a hybrid between good design and
suckyL187[10:28:29] <vifino> chinese bios from
51nb + a few wires rerouted on the mobo + mutilated core2quad
extreme
L188[10:28:32] <Z0idburg>
and my scroll lock is missing
<Z0idburg>
and my scroll lock is missingL189[10:28:41] <Z0idburg>
THESE TGINGS HAVE NO DAMN SCROLL LOCK OR BREAK KEY WTF
<Z0idburg>
THESE TGINGS HAVE NO DAMN SCROLL LOCK OR BREAK KEY WTFL190[10:29:14] <Z0idburg>
that sounds scary vifino
<Z0idburg>
that sounds scary vifinoL191[10:29:47] <vifino> so i now have a
t61 running a 1066MHz FSB while thinking it runs at 800MHz,
overclocking the RAM, GPU and pretty much everything else.
L192[10:30:30] <vifino> 45W TDB in a
laptop designed for max 35W is a bit wonky.
L193[10:30:35] <vifino> TDP*
L194[10:30:48] <vifino> so, naturally, i
undervolted the core2quad.
L195[10:30:59] <vifino> (with a patched
acpi table)
L196[10:31:45] <Izaya> new thinkpad
keyboard is mediocre, news at 11
L197[10:31:51] <Mettaton_Fab> vifino, that sounds
adventurous
<Mettaton_Fab> vifino, that sounds
adventurousL198[10:31:58] <Mettaton_Fab> and dangerous, maybe even
explosive
<Mettaton_Fab> and dangerous, maybe even
explosiveL199[10:32:02] <vifino> probably.
L200[10:32:06] <Z0idburg> I
read somebody bought a T520 keyboard and put it in a T530
<Z0idburg> I
read somebody bought a T520 keyboard and put it in a T530L201[10:32:13] <vifino> it works
surprisingly well.
L202[10:32:13] <Z0idburg>
problem is, a couple of keys stop working
<Z0idburg>
problem is, a couple of keys stop workingL203[10:32:16] <Izaya> I was listening to
a thing a while back
L204[10:32:22] <Izaya> they were trying
out raytracing on a T60
L205[10:32:30] <Z0idburg>
lol
<Z0idburg>
lolL206[10:32:36] <Izaya> it melted the WiFi
antenna and that caught in the fan
L207[10:32:49] <Z0idburg>
not surprising
<Z0idburg>
not surprisingL208[10:32:59] <Z0idburg> I
have had to pull out dust poop from that fan
<Z0idburg> I
have had to pull out dust poop from that fanL209[10:33:00] <vifino> Z0idburg: you need
to reflash the EC to make that work
L210[10:33:08] <Z0idburg>
the fan in those have space around the fan like 1/2"
<Z0idburg>
the fan in those have space around the fan like 1/2"L211[10:33:11] <Z0idburg>
circularly
<Z0idburg>
circularlyL212[10:33:18] <Izaya> I got an R61 for
free a few days back but I haven't gotten it booting yet
L213[10:33:21] <Z0idburg>
so a giant dust shit just sort of builds up and raps around
it
<Z0idburg>
so a giant dust shit just sort of builds up and raps around
itL214[10:33:21] <Izaya> fan error
L215[10:33:29] <Z0idburg>
O
<Z0idburg>
OL216[10:33:31] <Z0idburg>
OH
<Z0idburg>
OHL217[10:33:35] <vifino> i have liquid
metal as the interface between the cooler and the cpu die(s) and
gpu
L218[10:33:36] <Z0idburg> I
had that problem with mine
<Z0idburg> I
had that problem with mineL219[10:33:40] <Z0idburg>
do you know how I fixed it?
<Z0idburg>
do you know how I fixed it?L220[10:33:43] <vifino> i live
dangerously.
L221[10:33:46] <Z0idburg>
You don't want to know...
<Z0idburg>
You don't want to know...L222[10:33:55] <Izaya> fire?
L223[10:33:59] <Z0idburg> I
too the thinkpad and bashed it on the edge of the desk
<Z0idburg> I
too the thinkpad and bashed it on the edge of the deskL224[10:34:04] <Z0idburg>
and it stopped saying fan error
<Z0idburg>
and it stopped saying fan errorL225[10:34:12] <Z0idburg>
the corner with the fan of corse
<Z0idburg>
the corner with the fan of corseL226[10:34:15] <Izaya> I did the same
thing with just the fan assembly
L227[10:34:19] <Izaya> no dice
L228[10:34:34] <Izaya> need to get a can
of compressed air I guess
L229[10:34:36] <Z0idburg> I
had lots of problems with the fan error thing beforre it really
stopped doing it
<Z0idburg> I
had lots of problems with the fan error thing beforre it really
stopped doing itL230[10:34:48] <Z0idburg> I
took it apart and noticed it would stop spinning iirc
<Z0idburg> I
took it apart and noticed it would stop spinning iircL231[10:34:50] <Z0idburg>
it was a long time ago
<Z0idburg>
it was a long time agoL232[10:34:52] <Izaya> is it safe to soak
the fan assembly in water?
L233[10:35:02] <Z0idburg> I
don't remember
<Z0idburg> I
don't rememberL234[10:35:10] <Z0idburg> I
don't see why not?
<Z0idburg> I
don't see why not?L235[10:35:15] <Z0idburg>
the fan is not close to the cpu
<Z0idburg>
the fan is not close to the cpuL236[10:35:33] <Z0idburg>
or maybe I am thinking not being close to the cpu
<Z0idburg>
or maybe I am thinking not being close to the cpuL237[10:35:35] <Z0idburg>
gpu*
<Z0idburg>
gpu*L238[10:35:39] <Izaya> I figure if I let
it dry for 24+ hours it should be fine anyway
L239[10:35:39] <AmandaC> as long as you
put it in a jar of rice before returning it to the case
L240[10:35:42] <Z0idburg>
its like this tube thing assembly
<Z0idburg>
its like this tube thing assemblyL241[10:35:43] <Izaya> before trying
it
L242[10:35:53] <Z0idburg> I
used to put my T60 in the freezer for a while
<Z0idburg> I
used to put my T60 in the freezer for a whileL243[10:35:57] <Z0idburg>
when it overheated
<Z0idburg>
when it overheatedL244[10:36:06] <Z0idburg>
like 15 mins
<Z0idburg>
like 15 minsL245[10:36:19] <vifino> Izaya: do not blow
in air with the fan plugged in
L246[10:36:24] <vifino> generator.
L247[10:36:35] <Izaya> ofc not
L248[10:36:58] <Z0idburg>
rofl
<Z0idburg>
roflL249[10:37:34] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/usvhzb.jpg
L250[10:37:41] <Z0idburg> I
just learned somethingf else
<Z0idburg> I
just learned somethingf elseL251[10:37:43] <Z0idburg>
ye sthat is it
<Z0idburg>
ye sthat is itL252[10:37:48] <Z0idburg>
so that fan will come out easily
<Z0idburg>
so that fan will come out easilyL253[10:37:52] <Izaya> not so
L254[10:37:55] <Z0idburg>
there's little things you pry or whatever
<Z0idburg>
there's little things you pry or whateverL255[10:37:59] <Izaya> it has tiny screws
that I can't get out
L256[10:38:08] <Z0idburg>
oh I forgot those were there
<Z0idburg>
oh I forgot those were thereL257[10:38:13] <Z0idburg> I
remember there being metal tabs I had to bend
<Z0idburg> I
remember there being metal tabs I had to bendL258[10:38:42] <Z0idburg>
so I just learned not to put a caramel apple on a paper towel
<Z0idburg>
so I just learned not to put a caramel apple on a paper towelL259[10:38:47] <Z0idburg>
unless you want to eat paper towel
<Z0idburg>
unless you want to eat paper towelL260[10:39:04] <Izaya> tasty
L261[10:39:25] <Izaya> in other news
I'm unironically considering buying one of those rear panel to
serial port header things
L262[10:39:38] <Izaya> but they're
meant to go in a slot so I'd have to take it out of that
L263[10:39:42] <Izaya> because my case has
a spot for it
L264[10:39:44] <Z0idburg>
I'm not very impressed with the new caramel apple kits
<Z0idburg>
I'm not very impressed with the new caramel apple kitsL265[10:39:54] <Z0idburg>
you just wrap caramel around the apple as a little disc
<Z0idburg>
you just wrap caramel around the apple as a little discL266[10:40:00] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/osihcc.jpg
L267[10:40:05] <Z0idburg>
When I did it as a kid it was very dangerous
<Z0idburg>
When I did it as a kid it was very dangerousL268[10:40:11] <Z0idburg>
and you dealt with molten caramel
<Z0idburg>
and you dealt with molten caramelL269[10:40:28] <Z0idburg>
caramel wasnt so bad but the candy apple kits were
<Z0idburg>
caramel wasnt so bad but the candy apple kits wereL270[10:40:52] <Z0idburg> I
was expecting a gif of that with a snake coming out of one of the
ports
<Z0idburg> I
was expecting a gif of that with a snake coming out of one of the
portsL271[10:41:08] <Z0idburg>
or lack of
<Z0idburg>
or lack ofL272[10:41:21] <vifino> the snake would be
to big, he's in australia.
L273[10:41:28] <Izaya> we have small
snakes too
L274[10:41:30] <Z0idburg>
yeah
<Z0idburg>
yeahL275[10:41:31] <Izaya> cute little tree
snakes
L276[10:41:34] <Z0idburg>
ooh
<Z0idburg>
oohL277[10:41:37] <Izaya> so happy looking
:3
L278[10:41:38] <Z0idburg>
we have garter snakes
<Z0idburg>
we have garter snakesL279[10:41:43] <AmandaC> that'll only
kill you a little bit!
L280[10:41:46] <Izaya> this case is from
like 1995 so you're expected to want serial and parallel
ports
L281[10:41:54] <Izaya> AmandaC:
they're not even poisonous
L282[10:41:55] <vifino> Izaya: pics or
didn't happen
L284[10:42:10] <Z0idburg>
these guys are fun to pick up theres no worries
<Z0idburg>
these guys are fun to pick up theres no worriesL285[10:42:13] <Izaya> I mean sure
it's still bad if they bite you but they aren't
murderous
L286[10:42:14] <Z0idburg>
they wont hurt you at all
<Z0idburg>
they wont hurt you at allL288[10:43:02] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/jpende.jpg
L289[10:43:03] <Z0idburg>
wat happens if those bite you?
<Z0idburg>
wat happens if those bite you?L290[10:43:28] <Izaya> oh, they are
venomous
L291[10:43:38] <Izaya> "It has a
primitive venom apparatus and a mildly toxic venom that is not
regarded as dangerous to human beings."
L292[10:43:39] <Z0idburg>
boh?
<Z0idburg>
boh?L293[10:43:51] <Z0idburg>
garter snakes are not venomous
<Z0idburg>
garter snakes are not venomousL294[10:44:00] <Z0idburg>
they just hiss a bit
<Z0idburg>
they just hiss a bitL295[10:44:14] <Z0idburg>
the most dangerous animal here is an herbavore
<Z0idburg>
the most dangerous animal here is an herbavoreL296[10:44:21] <Z0idburg>
and they are very dangerous
<Z0idburg>
and they are very dangerousL297[10:44:21] <Izaya> if one bites you I
assume you'd need to get the wound cleaned up and such, but it
wouldn't be significantly worse than say a dog
L298[10:44:45] <vifino> depends on the
dog.
L299[10:45:03] <Izaya> depends on the
snake
L301[10:45:23] <MichiBot> CAR HITS
MOOSE in Colorado - White River National Forest | length:
29s | Likes: 4,126 Dislikes:
287 Views: 2,380,114 | by
Kayla Whitehead | Published On 6/7/2016
L302[10:46:00] <Z0idburg>
as you can see in the US we have flying moose
<Z0idburg>
as you can see in the US we have flying mooseL303[10:46:30] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/lpifun.jpg
L304[10:46:31] <Z0idburg>
slowmo at 20 seconds
<Z0idburg>
slowmo at 20 secondsL305[10:46:34] <vifino> Say
"Colorado"!
L306[10:47:02] <Z0idburg>
that one didnt even have antlers
<Z0idburg>
that one didnt even have antlersL307[10:47:16]
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L309[10:47:31] <Z0idburg>
that one has antlers
<Z0idburg>
that one has antlersL310[10:48:16] <Z0idburg>
the problem is they are blind and get scared easily
<Z0idburg>
the problem is they are blind and get scared easilyL311[10:48:29] <Z0idburg>
and you know what they are in the woods because you'll hear
small trees falling and trampling
<Z0idburg>
and you know what they are in the woods because you'll hear
small trees falling and tramplingL312[11:14:50] <Z0idburg>
Ok I just took the first layer of subfloor in one board off the
floor
<Z0idburg>
Ok I just took the first layer of subfloor in one board off the
floorL313[11:15:04] <Z0idburg>
looking at wood from theearly-mid 1800s
<Z0idburg>
looking at wood from theearly-mid 1800sL314[11:15:32] <Izaya> is it nice
L315[11:15:51] <Z0idburg>
well it looks like wood cut from a man operated sawmill
<Z0idburg>
well it looks like wood cut from a man operated sawmillL316[11:15:53] <Z0idburg>
so you tell me
<Z0idburg>
so you tell meL317[11:15:56] <Z0idburg>
all rough cutr
<Z0idburg>
all rough cutrL318[11:16:02] <Z0idburg>
hand pegged
<Z0idburg>
hand peggedL319[11:16:09] <Izaya> comfy
L320[11:16:16] <Z0idburg>
other spotshave giant square nails
<Z0idburg>
other spotshave giant square nailsL321[11:16:39] <Z0idburg>
we're putting new flooring in
<Z0idburg>
we're putting new flooring inL322[11:16:47] <Izaya> (Comfy by the
inconsistent and poorly specified definitions of this
community)
L323[11:17:14] <Z0idburg>
this is all softwood pine
<Z0idburg>
this is all softwood pineL324[11:17:26] <Z0idburg>
ever seen a pinetree wiuith boards that are 18 inches or more
wide?
<Z0idburg>
ever seen a pinetree wiuith boards that are 18 inches or more
wide?L325[11:17:35] <Z0idburg>
these trees dont exist anymore
<Z0idburg>
these trees dont exist anymoreL326[11:17:52] <Z0idburg>
the flooring will sell really well
<Z0idburg>
the flooring will sell really wellL327[11:18:21] <Izaya> whatcha swapping it
out for?
L328[11:18:54] <Z0idburg>
composite hardwood
<Z0idburg>
composite hardwoodL329[11:19:20] <Z0idburg>
the woftwood is a bit damaged and has been painted over so I dont
want to bother taking the time to sand it
<Z0idburg>
the woftwood is a bit damaged and has been painted over so I dont
want to bother taking the time to sand itL330[11:19:28] <Izaya> fair
L331[11:19:42] <Z0idburg> I
already took a $10 goodwill table sanded and staine dit
<Z0idburg> I
already took a $10 goodwill table sanded and staine ditL332[11:19:46] <Z0idburg>
and that took weeks
<Z0idburg>
and that took weeksL333[11:19:55] <Z0idburg>
looks loike a $1000 table now
<Z0idburg>
looks loike a $1000 table nowL334[11:20:20] <Z0idburg>
we even CNCd replacement wood parts for the chairs dthat
broke
<Z0idburg>
we even CNCd replacement wood parts for the chairs dthat
brokeL335[11:20:24] <Z0idburg>
doesnt look like it ever broke ?
<Z0idburg>
doesnt look like it ever broke ?L336[11:28:20] <Z0idburg>
SOMEONE HAS HAD THIS FLOOR APART BEFORE
<Z0idburg>
SOMEONE HAS HAD THIS FLOOR APART BEFOREL337[11:28:32] <Z0idburg>
unless they made sticky notes in 1840 something
<Z0idburg>
unless they made sticky notes in 1840 somethingL338[11:29:03] <Z0idburg>
"Day one. Dairy free diet glluetten free water tea no eating
out
<Z0idburg>
"Day one. Dairy free diet glluetten free water tea no eating
outL339[11:29:10] <Z0idburg>
what the heck is gluetten free wate
<Z0idburg>
what the heck is gluetten free wateL340[11:29:11] <Z0idburg>
water*
<Z0idburg>
water*L341[12:20:26]
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L342[12:20:42] <aquawarp> I love IRC
L343[12:21:47] <Z0idburg>
yep
<Z0idburg>
yepL344[12:21:57] <Z0idburg>
What do you like about it aquawarp?
<Z0idburg>
What do you like about it aquawarp?L345[12:23:57] ⇦
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L347[12:28:36] <Death4200> sup
L348[12:29:56] <Death4200> anyone
here
L349[12:30:38] <Izaya> No
L350[12:33:45] <Death4200> anyone wanna
come play to forward thinking
L351[12:34:03] <Z0idburg>
?
<Z0idburg>
?L352[12:34:13] ⇦
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L353[12:34:22] <Z0idburg>
...
<Z0idburg>
...L354[12:37:16] <Aquablade>
Lol
<Aquablade>
LolL355[12:37:22] <Aquablade>
I timed out
<Aquablade>
I timed outL356[12:37:57] <Aquablade>
What I was going to say is that it allowes me to communicate with a
horrible WiFi signal
<Aquablade>
What I was going to say is that it allowes me to communicate with a
horrible WiFi signalL357[12:37:59] <Aquablade>
@Z0idburg
<Aquablade>
@Z0idburgL358[12:38:23] <Aquablade>
But now have a better signal
<Aquablade>
But now have a better signalL359[12:38:57] <Izaya> tfw 30 years later
and IRC is still the most viable pure text group chat
platform
L360[12:46:05] <Aquablade>
Lol
<Aquablade>
LolL361[12:49:51] <Aquablade>
Lol
<Aquablade>
LolL362[13:02:13] <AmandaC> %choose
halucinate or irradiate
L363[13:02:13] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
halucinate is for cool kids!
L364[13:02:20] <AmandaC> Sounds
good.
L365[13:02:27] <AmandaC> %choose new or
old
L366[13:02:28] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Why not
both?
L367[13:02:38] <AmandaC> ... that's
not how time works in this universe, MichiBot
L368[13:04:42] <rashy>
xD
<rashy>
xDL369[13:09:14] <payonel> hello
L370[13:22:23] <AmandaC> Meowfternoon,
payonel
L371[13:22:52] <Inari> payonel: meow
L372[13:22:53] <payonel> AmandaC: i was
telling folks at work that i was switching to full linux on my
gaming machine, we talked about photon and such
L373[13:23:13] <AmandaC> payonel:
noice
L374[13:23:25] *
payonel love-blinks at all the meowing :)
L375[13:23:33] <Inari> Interesting
L376[13:23:36] *
AmandaC hides under Inari's floofy tail
L377[13:23:37] <payonel> AmandaC: but i
was curious, how do you feel about the driver support
L378[13:23:42] <Inari> My IRC client broke
and isn't showing my own messages, or new messages frmo
others
L379[13:23:54] <payonel> Inari: scroll
down? :)
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you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful
device for enabling you to know that it is))
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L383[13:24:02] <AmandaC> payonel: Not sure
i can say anything on that front. I'm only using it on my
laptop with an intel iGPU
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L385[13:24:06] *
payonel waves at the new infina
L386[13:24:07] <Inari> .
L387[13:24:09] <Inari> Fixed
L388[13:24:12] <payonel> ha
L389[13:24:15] <payonel> i tab completed
...
L390[13:24:18] <payonel> right after you
left
L391[13:24:22] <Izaya> not who you're
talking to, but the NVIDIA driver situation is ... as usual, and
the AMD situation is improving
L392[13:24:23] <payonel> didnt expect you
to leave twice
L393[13:24:24] <Inari> It was scrolled
down
L394[13:24:25] <payonel> Inari*
L395[13:24:49] <Izaya> 'as
usual' being either use the nonfree NVIDIA drivers or be stuck
with OpenGL 2.0 and cards from 5 years ago
L396[13:24:53] <payonel> Inari: when you
left the 2nd time, i pinged inf - ina
L397[13:24:54] <Inari> Yeah I tried rejoin
first, but it was still borked
L398[13:25:01] <Inari> So I had to close
the thing and rejoin then
L399[13:25:29] <Izaya> I hear AMD drivers
are 10/10 nowadays though, at least with the last 3 gens of
cards
L400[13:25:36] <infina> ...
L401[13:25:37] <Inari> payonel: I saw
:3
L402[13:25:42] <Inari> %pet infina
L403[13:25:42] *
MichiBot pets infina no health gained!
L404[13:25:44] <payonel> Izaya: i'm
okay using the nonfree ones
L405[13:25:47] <Inari> Stll borked
L406[13:25:48] <payonel> i'm not a
truest in that sense :)
L407[13:25:52] <payonel> infina: sorry :)
but hello
L408[13:26:00] <Izaya> if you're
using RX 4xx, RX 5xx or Vega {56,64} then the Free in-kernel
drivers are good on new kernels
L409[13:26:02] <Inari> You should talk to
us more!
L410[13:26:22] <Izaya> Unfortunately the
AMD APU support isn't quite there but once it is those will be
*very* nice
L411[13:26:35] <payonel> Izaya: i dont
care for amd
L412[13:26:39] <payonel> i'm a nvidia
die-hard
L413[13:26:54] <Izaya> Nonfree drivers for
you, then :D
L414[13:27:09] <Izaya> AMD having good
Linux drivers has made NVIDIA work harder on theirs which is
good
L415[13:27:13] <Inari> I doubt most people
care if their drivers are "free"
L416[13:27:24] <payonel> Inari: yep, and
i'm in the most group
L417[13:27:28] <payonel> i do care about
foss
L418[13:27:30] <Izaya> AMD was pulling
ahead on weaker hardware for a while but NVIDIA has caught up of
late
L419[13:27:35] <payonel> but when it comes
to my hard drivers, i dont care
L420[13:27:40] <payonel> hardware*
L421[13:27:42] <Inari> (as long as they
are free in the sense of, you don't have to pay for them
:P)
L422[13:28:04] <Izaya> honestly, it's
not practical to run a fully Free system unless you're using
10-year-old hardware, and that doesn't work for gaming
L423[13:28:06] <Inari> That'd
actually be interesting
L424[13:28:12] <Izaya> non-free drivers
are necessary
L425[13:28:19] <Inari> a Third party
offering purchasable drivers, which work better than the ones made
by the manufacturer
L426[13:28:27] <AmandaC> 10 years, and
that number continues to increase
L427[13:28:30] <payonel> Inari: that would
be interesting
L428[13:28:36] <Izaya> AmandaC: RISC-V
soon
L429[13:28:41] <payonel> Inari: but also,
open source
L430[13:28:43] <payonel> just to confuse
the mix
L431[13:28:44] *
Izaya believes harder
L432[13:29:39] <Inari> I mean, supposedly
RISC is starting to catch up pace
L433[13:30:28] <Izaya> if we're
talking just RISC rather than RISC-V specifically, apparently
Apple's new ARM cores are desktop-grade fast, though
they're not known for using unbiased benchmarks
L434[14:00:56] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
technically this desktop has no non-free *drivers*
L435[14:01:04] <Izaya> neat
L436[14:01:09] <CompanionCube> unless you
include the microcode blobs
L437[14:03:00] <CompanionCube> only
non-free bit is the UEFI firmware (CPU's not new enough to
have the PSP)
L438[14:03:49] <Izaya> can you coreboot
it?
L439[14:03:57] <CompanionCube> don't
think so
L440[14:04:12] <CompanionCube> coreboot
support for desktop mobo is pretty shite
L441[14:04:20] <Izaya> true enough
L442[14:04:26] <Izaya> it's for
servers and laptops, it seems
L443[14:05:40] <CompanionCube> though if i
could coreboot it...well, i'm not sure what i would use as the
payload
L444[14:06:10] <Izaya> I think your
choices would be like
L445[14:06:25] <Izaya> SeaBIOS, TianoCore
UEFI, GRUB or the kernel
L446[14:07:00] <Izaya> tfw want to
coreboot T420 to get TianoCore to get Secure Boot
L447[14:07:04] <CompanionCube> iirc
there's an ofw payload but glhf booting linux with that
:p
L448[14:07:21] <Izaya> yeah it's a
neat idea but ... no.
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L450[14:07:52] <CompanionCube> the
BSD/illumos loader would be another candidate if it existed
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L452[14:08:33] <CompanionCube> (apparently
they plan to move from forth -> lua or something like
that)
L453[14:08:46] <Izaya> that's bizarre
but understandable
L454[14:09:30] <Izaya> how neat would that
be, a machine with Lua ofw booting up to a usable Lua prompt
L455[14:09:30] <Skye> CompanionCube,
OpenFirmware! :D
L456[14:09:37] <Skye> what
L457[14:09:40] <Skye> oh god yes
L458[14:09:44] <Skye> real life OC
L459[14:09:53] *
CompanionCube has previously considered briefly porting the BSD
loader to linux because reaons
L460[14:09:58] <CompanionCube>
*reasons
L461[14:11:02] *
Izaya efistub now
L462[14:11:41] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i
don't store my kernels on the ESP
L463[14:11:45] <CompanionCube> they go in
rpool/boot
L464[14:12:07] <Izaya> my kernels go in
/boot, but a signed efistub with the initrd goes into
/boot/efi
L465[14:12:35] <CompanionCube> my ESP
doesn't even have the space for a kernel/initrd set :p
L466[14:14:09] <CompanionCube> booting
efistub would be moot when GRUB is needed to read it (and the
filesystem driver wrapper someone made doesn't really
work)
L467[14:14:13] <AmandaC> Hrm.
`initrd=/dev/zero` I wonder what that'll do
L468[14:14:37] <CompanionCube> bitch about
a nonexistant initrd?
L469[14:14:47] <Izaya>
/boot/efi/Arch/linux-signed.efi: PE32+ executable (EFI application)
x86-64 (stripped to external PDB), for MS Windows
L470[14:15:16] <AmandaC> or wait, does
squashfs have a magic number?
L471[14:15:26] <AmandaC> er, cpio? I
forget which initrds are meant to be
L472[14:16:00] <CompanionCube> initrds are
optionally-compressed cpio archives
L473[14:16:21] <CompanionCube>
*initramfs
L474[14:16:42] <AmandaC> isn't initrd
the next-gen initramfs? Or did I reverse those again
L475[14:16:50] <CompanionCube> other way
around
L476[14:16:53] <AmandaC> ah
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L478[14:17:59] <AmandaC> %remindme 16h
figure out what I am missing for qemu on the lappy
L479[14:17:59] <MichiBot> I'll remind
you about "figure out what I am missing for qemu on the
lappy" at 10/07/2018 06:17:59 AM
L480[14:18:41] <CompanionCube> what's
the problem?
L481[14:18:45] *
AmandaC goes back to halucinating this story about a poor demon
child who was forced into being an assassin
L482[14:19:01] <AmandaC> `qemu` isn't
tab-completeing, I'm guessing I just never re-installed it
after I did a nuke and pave
L483[14:20:01] <CompanionCube> well, you
could just test by running say, qemu-system-x86_64
L484[14:20:41] <AmandaC> I mean the
command qemu doesn't tab-complete, when I type
`qemu<tab>` nothing comes up
L485[14:21:15] <CompanionCube> nine just
adds a dash and presents a list of the various arches and
systems
L486[14:25:18] <CompanionCube> https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/06/microsoft-suspends-windows-10-update-citing-data-loss-reports/
in win10 shittynews
L487[14:31:45] <smoke_th> i
have a question...about tis-3d. what's the sound module input
spec?
<smoke_th> i
have a question...about tis-3d. what's the sound module input
spec?L488[14:33:09] <Inari> Does the manual not
mention it?
L489[14:35:38] <smoke_th>
oh wait
<smoke_th>
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L492[14:51:27] <Lizzian> d
bn \
<Lizzian> d
bn \L493[14:53:50] <AmandaC> b du /
L494[14:54:26] <Lizzian>
fucking gaming vm keeps disconnecting the keyboard and mouse
<Lizzian>
fucking gaming vm keeps disconnecting the keyboard and mouseL495[14:54:34] <AmandaC> %choose stop now
or keep halucinating and potentially get interrupted
L496[14:54:34] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I saw
that stop now is the best choice in a vision
L497[15:18:10] <Mettaton_Fab> %choose do the mario or
rebuild amp
<Mettaton_Fab> %choose do the mario or
rebuild ampL498[15:18:11] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab:
The proof is in the pudding. Definitely do the mario.
L499[15:34:42] <Izaya> Skye,
CompanionCube: https://fossbytes.com/facebook-apple-confirm-servers-hit-by-chinese-malware/
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L502[15:47:53] <Mettaton_Fab> kek
<Mettaton_Fab> kekL503[15:53:45] <CompanionCube> ke
L504[15:53:55] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
interesting that it's *different* malware
L505[15:54:07] <Izaya> yeah no clipper
chip here
L506[15:54:09] <Izaya> odd
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L508[15:54:31] <CompanionCube> perhaps
each factory was given their own means of backdooring shit?
L509[15:54:41] <Izaya> maybe so
L510[15:55:07] <CompanionCube> either that
or the two incidents are two different entities backdooring
shit
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L512[15:55:36] <CompanionCube> the latter
seems more plausible though
L513[15:55:59] <Izaya> true enough
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L516[16:45:20] <Yukkuri> i'm a bit
confused. where PowerConverter stores amount of energy it has
accumulated?
L517[16:47:24] <Yukkuri> or is it entirely
a field of power trait for specific mod?
L518[16:47:57] <Yukkuri> i see IC2 power
traits has conversionBuffer Double
L519[16:48:07] <Yukkuri> but i can't
see if it is actually used somewhere
L520[16:48:25] <Izaya> https://static.mastodon.technology/media_attachments/files/001/640/910/original/04a17be9816f966d.mp4
L521[16:50:37] <Yukkuri> do OpenComputer
PowerAccepting machines has any amount of stored energy?
L522[16:51:09] <Yukkuri> or do they
constantly require current flow, be that from outside network or
PowerConverter?
L523[16:51:16] <Yukkuri> errr
L524[16:51:22] <Izaya> OC stuff has an
energy buffer
L525[16:51:28] <Yukkuri> but where is it
stored?
L526[16:51:51] <Yukkuri> i can't find
any energy buffer but conversionBuffer from IC2 integration power
traits
L527[16:56:07] <Yukkuri> ah, seems it is
Common trait with globalBuffer() / globalBufferSize()
L528[16:56:42] <Yukkuri> and seems it
returns some kind of references to boxed primitives
L529[16:56:52] <Yukkuri> so they can be
mutated
L530[16:57:47] <Yukkuri> scala
doesn't really enhance readability
L531[16:58:28] <Yukkuri> more like making
it easy to obscure what is happenning by distributing much of
critical logic to different traits
L532[16:58:33] <Skye> I like scala
L533[16:58:36] <Skye> but I'm
insane
L534[16:58:36] <Skye> so
L535[16:58:37] <Skye> \o/
L536[16:58:49] <Skye> it helps if you have
an IDE that makes things into hyperlinks
L537[16:59:19] <Yukkuri> but multiple
inheritance is awful regardless
L538[16:59:33] <Izaya> I'd >using
an IDE
L539[16:59:43] <Izaya> but IDEs are
non-optional when dealing with the JVM
L540[17:00:21] <vifino> except when
emacsing.
L541[17:00:25] <Yukkuri> aslo true.
doesn't justify that you have to check if any of traits
contributed anything critical
L542[17:01:15] <Yukkuri> and making
inheritance graph more like a yarn of wool
L543[17:03:39] <Yukkuri> looks like scala
was made for small teams of lazy people, not much interested in
investement into conscise architecture
L544[17:05:28] <vifino> imo there is
nothing inherently bad with being lazy.
L545[17:05:34] <vifino> you just have to
be smart-lazy.
L546[17:05:56] <vifino> eg: good sysadmins
are lazy assholes that script everything
L547[17:06:03] <vifino> trust me, i
kno.w
L548[17:06:05] <Yukkuri> well, by lazy in
this case i mean "instead of rething current architectural
flaws, just plug holes with traits"
L549[17:06:17] <Yukkuri> rethinking*
L550[17:06:36] <vifino> fair enough.
L551[17:06:45] <Yukkuri> this kind of lazy
is just a steady transition to disaster
L552[17:07:23] <Yukkuri> though, sometimes
it is steady enough for everyone involved to die naturally before
disaster occurs
L553[17:07:39] <Yukkuri> and hopefully,
that includes project too
L554[17:11:39] <ba7888b72413a16a> Izaya:
whoa
L555[17:11:42] <ba7888b72413a16a> big
news
L556[17:11:44] <ba7888b72413a16a> https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/programmers-play-minecrafts-inner-workings
L557[17:11:54] <Yukkuri> i like how forge
has taken it's time to stop and re-think much of it's
facilities before moving to 1.13
L558[17:12:12] <ba7888b72413a16a> some of
minecraft's internal dependencies are being open sourced
L559[17:12:28] <ba7888b72413a16a>
didn't expect that at all
L560[17:12:28] <Izaya> >the command
engine
L561[17:12:31] <Izaya> oh look
L562[17:12:35] <Izaya> it's literally
nothing
L563[17:12:49] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah,
they should really just open source the whole game at this
point
L564[17:13:06] <ba7888b72413a16a> how many
sales are for java edition nowadays?
L565[17:14:27] <ba7888b72413a16a> even if
it's a restrictive shared-source license, that would be
nice
L566[17:14:31] <Yukkuri> looking at
current owner, i doubt it would ever be FOSS-friendly, regardless
of inverse ratio of it's users
L567[17:14:33] <ba7888b72413a16a> no more
decompiling minecraft
L568[17:16:56] <ba7888b72413a16a> the
world save format migrator and the command parser... not much, but
it's something
L569[17:17:10] <Yukkuri> that company
would rather make some properietary version of something free and
open, push it down some government throats and call it a day,
looking how free and open original struggles with implementing new
b-t corporate guys have added to the standard
L570[17:17:16] <Yukkuri> remember
kerberos?
L571[17:17:47] <Yukkuri> or maybe
LDAP?
L572[17:18:00] <ba7888b72413a16a> I have a
feeling that as java edition gets less evil, bedrock edition will
get more evil
L573[17:18:22] <ba7888b72413a16a>
microsoft snatched the control over the minecraft community that
they needed
L574[17:18:32] <ba7888b72413a16a> now
comes the anal rape
L575[17:18:55] <Izaya> Yukkuri: in an
interesting ... turn of events, Red Hat has a Kerberos/LDAP/a few
other things server that AD DS can authenticate against
L576[17:19:49] <Yukkuri> Izaya: yes, it
has now. after (now de-facto) required additions to protocols have
finally made it way to RFC addendum
L577[17:20:06] *
Izaya nods
L578[17:20:28] <Izaya> I mean, we've
had NIS for a long time but NIS 1 is insecure and NIS 2 is a pain
in the ass
L579[17:22:02] <ba7888b72413a16a> some guy
on reddit: "This is amazing, but I can only imagine the
nightmares that reside in that codebase."
L580[17:22:18] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah
minecraft has legacy cruft from the notch days, it's probably
horrible
L581[17:35:39] <Wuerfel_21>
`looking at current owner, i doubt it would ever be FOSS-friendly,
regardless of inverse ratio of it's users` Microsoft is doing
a couple open source things, like VS Code. Also, quite a bit of
windows code (IIRC mostly M$'s included drivers) has been
released under restrictive licenses at one point or another
<Wuerfel_21>
`looking at current owner, i doubt it would ever be FOSS-friendly,
regardless of inverse ratio of it's users` Microsoft is doing
a couple open source things, like VS Code. Also, quite a bit of
windows code (IIRC mostly M$'s included drivers) has been
released under restrictive licenses at one point or anotherL582[17:36:37] <ba7888b72413a16a>
@Wuerfel_21 so basically nothing significant? :)
L583[17:37:07] <ba7888b72413a16a> for real
though, everything microsoft has done to prove that "Microsoft
<3 open source" has disappointed me
L584[17:37:46] <ba7888b72413a16a> I
thought maybe the headline "Microsoft Open Sources Parts of
Minecraft: Java Edition" would change that for me a bit
L585[17:38:04] <ba7888b72413a16a> but
nope, just the save format migrator and command parser :/
L586[17:38:34] <Wuerfel_21>
`One library under consideration is Blaze3D - a complete rewrite of
the render engine that we're aiming to implement for 1.14.
`
<Wuerfel_21>
`One library under consideration is Blaze3D - a complete rewrite of
the render engine that we're aiming to implement for 1.14.
`L587[17:40:19] <Izaya> I'll believe
it when I see it
L588[17:40:24] <ba7888b72413a16a> ^
L589[17:40:33] <Izaya> and when I see it I
expect to be disappointed
L590[17:41:18] <Skye> Izaya, they're
trying to get rid of notchcode by making everyone else do it
L591[17:41:27] <Izaya> kek
L592[17:42:14] <ba7888b72413a16a> just
open source minecraft java edition and hand over control to the
Better Than Wolves guy
L593[17:42:29] <ba7888b72413a16a> boom,
1.14 will see cookies and wolves removed
L594[17:43:33] <ba7888b72413a16a> ever
since the piston update I just wanted to see minecraft add more
things that are groundbreaking for automation
L595[17:44:00] <ba7888b72413a16a> hoppers,
slime blocks, and redstone blocks are the closest to that
L596[17:44:04] <Inari> Vanilla can be
automated fairly well
L597[17:44:15] <Inari> Considering it
isn't the focus of the game even
L598[17:44:18] <Wuerfel_21>
ideally, a game like this would be written as modular C(++) code,
where the core engine is AGPL licensed (thus all the modules must
also be, eliminating proprietary mods (a big problem with native
code!)) and all the functionality is in shared libraries that
interface with it. And if there is some function missing from the
core, it gets patched in properly instead of being
haxxorized.
<Wuerfel_21>
ideally, a game like this would be written as modular C(++) code,
where the core engine is AGPL licensed (thus all the modules must
also be, eliminating proprietary mods (a big problem with native
code!)) and all the functionality is in shared libraries that
interface with it. And if there is some function missing from the
core, it gets patched in properly instead of being
haxxorized.L599[17:44:18] <Wuerfel_21>
One can dream.
<Wuerfel_21>
One can dream.L600[17:44:51] <vifino> oh man, BTW...
that brings me back
L601[17:45:10] <vifino> quite possibly the
mod i enjoyed the most out of every other.
L602[17:45:15] <ba7888b72413a16a> turtles
can be used to automate... a random number generator redstone
circuit?
L603[17:45:31] <vifino> well, maybe that
other total makeover mod..
L604[17:45:46] <ba7888b72413a16a> vifino:
terrafirmacraft I'm guessing?
L605[17:45:50] <vifino> yes!
L606[17:45:57] <vifino> both are so
awesome..
L607[17:45:59] <ba7888b72413a16a> yeah
that was fun
L608[17:46:02] <Inari> TC lacked an
endgame
L609[17:46:06] <ba7888b72413a16a> is that
still updated, actually
L610[17:46:18] <ba7888b72413a16a> Inari:
yeah
L611[17:46:27] <ba7888b72413a16a> in the
end you're just playing normal minecraft
L612[17:46:33] <Inari> More like
L613[17:46:47] <Inari> I don't want
to keep doing this annoying stuff forever, give me some tools/tech
gadgets/whatever at some point
L614[17:46:48] <Inari> :p
L615[17:47:50] <ba7888b72413a16a> I
don't really enjoy modpacks with very slow beginnings that
lead into very high tech stuff
L616[17:47:54] <ba7888b72413a16a>
they're nice in theory
L617[17:48:03] <ba7888b72413a16a> in
practice, you just get annoyed because your base has all this
technical debt
L618[17:48:16] <ba7888b72413a16a>
technical debt in modded minecraft worlds is actually a huge
problem, lol
L619[17:48:30] <Inari> technical
debt?
L620[17:49:04] <ba7888b72413a16a> Inari:
like, you built stuff too small and now your rooms are filled with
early-game machines and blocks
L621[17:49:20] <Inari> So, build a large
new room?
L622[17:49:49] <Inari> Tech mod players
seem to have an odd obsession of trying to cramp everything into a
tiny room anyway for some reason
L623[17:49:59] <Inari> You're not
exactly hurting for space
L624[17:50:00] <Inari> :P
L625[17:51:30] <ba7888b72413a16a> lol,
that is a habit I've had to change over time
L626[17:51:47] <ba7888b72413a16a> I think
the key is to build 90% of the structure first
L627[17:51:54] <Izaya> you're holding
it wrong
L628[17:51:55] <ba7888b72413a16a> leave 3
block gaps between all your rooms
L629[17:52:26] <ba7888b72413a16a> I took
inspiration from the 9x9 master and built 11x11s
L630[17:52:33] <ba7888b72413a16a> (not out
of cobblestone.)
L631[17:52:41] <Inari> I think sometimes
it comes down to being too lazy to craft more cables or stuff in
the early game. :P Though tbh I found it a better experience to
just gather materials and craft a whole stack or something at once,
than to try and craft as little as possible and then cosntantly
running back and craft more if you've miscalced by 1-2
wires
L632[17:52:52] <Inari> Why 11x11?
L633[17:52:54] <Inari> Why not
20x30s?
L634[17:53:35] <CompanionCube> Izaya: NIS
2 was enough of a pain that even solaris removed it :p
L635[17:53:55] <Izaya> exactly
L636[17:54:22] <Izaya> the way I see
people doing it now more than anything is using ansible to push out
local user configs
L637[17:55:41] <CompanionCube> kerberos
without ldap is sane but that only solves half the problem
L638[17:56:03] <Izaya> https://i.redd.it/4c1ybbssulq11.png
L639[17:56:36] <Inari> Haha
L640[17:57:22] <CompanionCube> it's a
shame there's no real alternative to ldap though
L641[17:57:52] <ba7888b72413a16a> I
actually am encountering technical debt in my base (old
screenshots: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmPTpNyyUS3F4a7ycw8Xo4xAbTP3M6yBFh4tdoKUGX58tY/
) right now
L642[17:57:53] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
FreeIPA seems interesting but it's only on RHEL
presently
L643[17:58:04] <Inari> I wish PHP had
C#'s null-conditional operator
L644[17:58:09] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
FreeIPA isn't really alternative though
L645[17:58:15] <ba7888b72413a16a> I wanted
to put many machines on the black platforms
L646[17:58:29] <ba7888b72413a16a> but that
causes lag for the machines in the green and white rooms
L647[17:58:40] <CompanionCube> it's
just 'what if active directory but linux'
L648[17:58:51] <ba7888b72413a16a> should
have figured out some way to offset that platform so it's in
different chunks
L649[17:58:56] <Izaya> true enough
L650[17:59:02] <Izaya> still LDAP and
Kerberos
L651[17:59:51] <CompanionCube> a
replacement for the former that maybe can be simplified would be
nice :(
L652[18:00:37] <Izaya> aye
L653[18:03:51] <CompanionCube> wonder if
you could modernise NIS taking into account the use of
kerberos
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L655[18:49:47] <death42000> sup§
L656[18:49:54] <CompanionCube> sup
L657[18:51:07] <death42000> what ar you
guys doin, i think this is cool that we can use wocchat on
opencomputers to talk to eachother from different modpacks and
servers
L658[18:53:32] <Izaya> and even out of
game
L659[18:53:41] <death42000> yea
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L670[21:55:54] <payonel> %seen
payonel
L671[21:55:55] <MichiBot> payonel was last
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L672[21:58:50] <Mimiru> %seen
death42000>
L673[21:58:50] <MichiBot> death42000>
has not been seen
L674[21:58:52] <Mimiru> %seen
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L676[21:58:58] <Mimiru> huh
L677[21:59:05] <payonel> %seen sugoi
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L679[21:59:11] <Mimiru> I thought the DB
might have been broken
L680[21:59:17] <payonel> %seen
Mimiru
L681[21:59:17] <MichiBot> Mimiru was last
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L682[21:59:23] *
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L684[21:59:39] <Mimiru> ok yeah something
id fucky
L685[21:59:50] <Mimiru> is
L686[22:00:03] <payonel> Izaya: https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1739-function-runs-twice/
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L688[22:01:21] <Izaya> ???
L689[22:04:55] <payonel> just thought
you'd have insight to what weirdness they are likely
doing
L690[22:05:01] <payonel> brandon3055:
poke
L691[22:05:18] <payonel> anyone know how
to install upgrades on draconic weapons?
L692[22:05:23] <payonel> i'm just
trying to repro something for OC
L693[22:06:31] <payonel>
uugguguhhghgh....
L694[22:06:36] <payonel> there is a big ol
process
L695[22:06:49] <payonel> brandon3055: how
can i cheat in some upgraded items?!
L696[22:06:53] <Izaya> If it only prints
once per message it's their function and not network
related
L697[22:07:57] <payonel> Izaya: yeah i
understand that, you just might have a guess at what mistake their
making in their network
L698[22:08:24] <payonel> like, are they
likely misusing a switch? would they have multiple network cards?
etc
L699[22:08:30] <payonel> just thought you
would have a guess as the most likely derp
L700[22:09:44] <Izaya> >The DXVK 0.81
release has faster 32-bit performance thanks to compiler
optimization changes, a minor reduction in the CPU overhead in
general (not limited to 32-bit)
L701[22:09:48] <Izaya> Yessssssssss
L702[22:10:12] <Izaya> I need that CPU
optimisation my i3 burns with DXVK
L703[22:10:42] <Izaya> I'll write up
a response in a bit once I get back to my desktoo
L704[22:10:44] <Izaya> Desktop
L705[22:10:52] <Izaya> So comfy on the
couch tho
L706[22:19:42] <payonel> brandon3055: ok,
finally crafted an upgrade in a weapon
L707[22:19:43] <payonel> for testing
L708[22:20:07] <payonel> that took.....way
too long, just to be able to test something with oc