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L7[00:50:06] <payonel> fingercomp: woo!
L8[00:50:08] <payonel> FINALLY got around to fixing your reported bug :)
L9[00:50:50] <payonel> woah, it took 19 months
L10[00:50:51] <payonel> wow
L11[00:54:55] <Kodos> Which one
L12[00:56:51] <payonel> @Kodos: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2291
L13[00:56:52] <MichiBot> Title: "Unknown error" when transfering fluid to an IC2 machine | Posted by: Fingercomp | Posted: Mon Feb 27 07:07:28 CST 2017 | Status: closed
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L15[01:10:50] <Kodos> Neato
L16[01:11:01] <Kodos> I just started using IC2 for power and material processing, so this is a good thing ?
L17[01:23:48] <Forecaster> why didn't that ping...
L18[01:26:39] <Mimiru> I'd assume it's the :
L19[01:27:13] <Forecaster> ah, yeah probably
L20[01:31:50] <payonel> @M:i:m:i:r:u: sorry :)
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L22[01:40:52] <Forecaster> no you're not
L23[01:43:01] <payonel> hehehe
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L29[04:00:46] <Kodos> Bah, GIMP doesn't want to cooperate
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L37[07:32:49] <Vexatos> :U https://quantum-chemistry.at-work.today/2c23dc.jpg
L38[07:35:18] <Forecaster> psh, so fake, it doesn't even have a name on it
L39[07:35:54] <Vexatos> http://tinyurl.com/y92dem87
L40[07:36:14] <Forecaster> much better
L41[08:14:12] <vifino> yay, i de-paperweighted the old thinkpad i got.
L42[08:14:50] <vifino> i removed the supervisor password by disassembling it completely and messing with the EEPROM that stores the password. :)
L43[08:21:45] <Izaya> I remember reading about someone removing the BIOS password on a Sun server by shorting the ground and output enable pins when it started up
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L46[08:53:50] <Inari> Oooh tells work aagin?
L47[08:54:13] <Vexatos> %tell Inari no
L48[08:54:13] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L49[08:54:18] <Inari> :P
L50[08:54:22] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L51[08:54:22] * MichiBot brushes AmandaC no health gained!
L52[08:54:25] <Inari> Thats still borked though
L53[08:57:13] <Forecaster> yeah, it was unrelated
L54[08:57:18] <Forecaster> as previously explained...
L55[09:12:03] <Inari> https://store.steampowered.com/app/271260/Star_Control_Origins/ seems cool
L56[09:14:12] <Inari> "Previously on #oc...
L57[09:27:40] <vifino> Izaya: i sorted SDA/SCL of the EEPROM until it let me in the bios, then opened the change password menu, letting hte bios think it was previously unset, let go of the pins and let the bios overwrite it :)
L58[09:27:55] <Izaya> :3
L59[09:28:25] <Forecaster> hax
L60[09:28:33] <Izaya> SDA/SCL, that's uh, SPI data and clock?
L61[09:28:35] <vifino> only bad thing was that it took me a long time to disassemble the laptop completely.
L62[09:28:40] <vifino> yea.
L63[09:29:03] <vifino> (S)PI (DA)ta, (S)PI (CL)ock.
L64[09:29:22] * Izaya nods
L65[09:29:49] <vifino> so, hello from the T61.
L66[09:30:55] <Forecaster> I need to figure out how to de-paperweight my T60
L67[09:30:57] <Forecaster> >:
L68[09:31:00] <vifino> 15.2" of core2duo lameness. 4GiB of DDR2 800 RAM. Pretty good looking 1680x1050 screen.
L69[09:31:17] <vifino> Forecaster: Send it to me. :>
L70[09:31:27] <Forecaster> that sounds expensive
L71[09:31:41] <vifino> I'll depaperweight it and add it to my shelf of thinkpads(TM).
L72[09:32:06] <vifino> I haven't got enough for a throne, but I'm working on it.
L73[09:32:17] <vifino> Could do a small stool.
L74[09:32:22] <Forecaster> it's a paperweight because windows just does some kind of reboot loop, and it refuses to boot off of a linux usb drive for some reason
L75[09:32:29] <vifino> A.. very small stool.
L76[09:32:53] <Forecaster> also the network port and 1/3 of the keyboard is broken
L77[09:33:01] <Izaya> vifino: install haiku
L78[09:33:08] <vifino> Izaya: but openbsd
L79[09:33:13] <Izaya> oh okay
L80[09:33:16] <Izaya> continue
L81[09:33:21] <vifino> i just put in the drive from my X200.
L82[09:33:48] <vifino> eventually, i'll switch to my own distro.
L83[09:33:52] <vifino> (of lenoks)
L84[09:33:57] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/mjbczc.png
L85[09:34:36] <vifino> uh.
L86[09:34:40] <vifino> not so sure about that.
L87[09:35:14] <Izaya> alright
L88[09:35:17] <Izaya> how about
L89[09:35:38] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/gbgztf.png
L90[09:35:55] <vifino> nope.
L91[09:36:01] <Izaya> hmm
L92[09:36:51] <vifino> he's a deluded racist. don't think we're moving in the right direction.
L93[09:36:59] <vifino> or was.
L94[09:37:36] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/qkxfvc.png
L95[09:37:42] <Izaya> ?
L96[09:38:10] <Izaya> I'm running out of posters
L97[09:38:30] <vifino> more like it.
L98[09:38:43] <vifino> more options?
L99[09:38:47] <Izaya> and yeah I agree about Terry Davis
L100[09:38:56] <Izaya> can't argue that TempleOS is neat af though
L101[09:39:25] <vifino> oh, no, templeos is certainly something.
L102[09:39:26] <Izaya> just variants
L103[09:39:38] <vifino> gimmie a zip. :P
L104[09:39:40] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/dvtosu.png
L105[09:40:44] <vifino> low-res much?
L106[09:40:53] <vifino> must've been a great image to post on dialup.
L107[09:41:13] <vifino> speaking of dialup, i wanna run linux so i can use the 56k modem.
L108[09:42:12] <vifino> (also because performance is so much better, and after i've installed a c2q in here, i need powersaving or it'll melt down)
L109[09:45:42] <vifino> btw, Izaya, you got an ultrabay serial/parallel adapter?
L110[09:45:50] <Izaya> nope
L111[09:45:50] <vifino> i need one, desperately.
L112[09:46:04] <vifino> :(
L113[09:46:12] <Izaya> unfortunately my 600X ain't so hot nowadays
L114[09:48:52] <Izaya> vifino: https://my.mixtape.moe/uhxwgg.jpg
L115[09:50:36] <vifino> man, that Intel GMA X3100 really struggles.
L116[09:53:56] <Izaya> is that better or worse than the GMA945?
L117[09:55:25] <vifino> i have no clue, i think its better, by very little.
L118[09:55:43] <vifino> it's a 965GM(?) chipset.
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L122[11:51:52] <Inari> N> simple, safe and easy way to make a lot of money xP
L123[11:52:11] <Inari> I should make a MC mod. Seems to work for some people :P
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L125[12:03:36] <Kleadron> what the hell happened here
L126[12:04:00] <Kleadron> oh its just izaya being an annoying communist linux penguin
L127[12:04:15] <Izaya> ???
L128[12:04:33] <Izaya> I'm in a socialist mood today though
L129[12:24:34] <Skye> @Kleadron meep? but it was all tongue-in-cheek though :P
L130[12:34:10] <Kleadron> what
L131[12:35:52] <Skye> @Kleadron the communist posters :P
L132[12:36:04] <Kleadron> oh
L133[12:47:04] * Inari pets Skye with a fleeceball
L134[12:51:24] <Forecaster> http://tinyurl.com/yc2fh2de
L135[12:51:25] <Forecaster> um
L136[12:52:05] <Kleadron> wtf is human leather
L137[12:52:16] <Forecaster> what do you think
L138[12:53:12] <Kleadron> oh god
L139[12:53:14] <Kleadron> why
L140[12:53:49] <Forecaster> I can't do it because I've cremated all the raiders I've killed
L141[12:54:00] <Kleadron> holy crap
L142[12:58:15] <Inari> @Kleadron eh, why not
L143[13:00:42] <Michiyo> ... @Forecaster get out.
L144[13:03:06] <Forecaster> what, it wasn't my request D:
L145[13:04:43] * Inari massages mayochup into AmandaC's fur
L146[13:15:48] * AmandaC bites Inari
L147[13:16:06] <AmandaC> Stop massaging weird stuff in my fur! It takes too much time to clean out!
L148[13:18:31] <Forecaster> The tech is mayochup
L149[13:19:25] <AmandaC> I assume it's what my family calls "Stuff" -- you mix Mayoneise and Ketchup
L150[13:20:31] <AmandaC> ( Don't lewd it, Inari, we started calling it that when I was like, 7 )
L151[13:24:07] <Forecaster> it makes sense, but it sounds... not good
L152[13:24:14] <AmandaC> it
L153[13:24:19] <AmandaC> 's better than it sounds.
L154[13:24:27] <AmandaC> I like it, dispite not liking Mayo on it's own
L155[13:24:41] <Forecaster> I like mayo
L156[13:24:45] <Forecaster> not so much ketchup
L157[13:25:58] <Izaya> apparently ketchup and tomato sauce are distinct
L158[13:26:15] <Forecaster> there's a lot of sugar in ketchup
L159[13:28:40] <Inari> https://i.imgur.com/YqAj4XL.png?1
L160[13:32:34] <CheeseAlmighty> `there's a lot of sugar in ketchup`
L161[13:32:34] <CheeseAlmighty> I think this depends on the brand. But most imported ~~decadent~~ western ketchup is pretty sugary, compared to the local stuff
L162[13:33:17] <Corded> * <CheeseAlmighty> Join us in Kebabistan and enjoy all the not-so-sweet ketchup and kebab you want
L163[13:37:26] <AmandaC> Isn't that the name of the fictional country you're a border agent for in Papers Please? O.o
L164[13:37:27] <Forecaster> http://tinyurl.com/y7ymee5c
L165[13:37:32] <Forecaster> what the heck is a ghostface sun
L166[13:37:53] <Izaya> It *was* fictional
L167[13:38:20] <Izaya> then someone applied a geass and now we have kebabistan
L168[13:38:52] <AmandaC> Wait until the Holy Britianian Empire hears about this!
L169[13:41:12] <Forecaster> Glory to Arstotzka
L170[13:43:54] <Inari> AmandaC: On the topic of "better than it sounds"
L171[13:44:00] <Inari> white grape juice mixed with a little bit of milk
L172[13:44:27] <CheeseAlmighty> Oh but it **IS** real
L173[13:44:37] <Corded> * <CheeseAlmighty> Just ask your local kebab shop about it
L174[13:45:24] <CheeseAlmighty> We bring our values, one drunk late night kebab at a time
L175[13:45:53] <CheeseAlmighty> ~~Soon, the west will fall~~
L176[13:52:53] <CheeseAlmighty> ... What is the ratio though?
L177[13:53:09] <Corded> * <CheeseAlmighty> That sounds like a tricky mix.
L178[14:00:38] <Mettaton_Fab> gee, i cant decide if i should leave a certain other discord server because someone doesnt understand the concept of physics.
L179[14:00:57] <AmandaC> Gee, I can't see why you're bringing the drama here.
L180[14:02:30] <Mettaton_Fab> as in, that other person believes in free energy devices
L181[14:02:44] <Mettaton_Fab> i dont know either.
L182[14:03:01] <Forecaster> just leave it
L183[14:03:54] <AmandaC> gods damn it
L184[14:04:36] <Mettaton_Fab> but the other peeps on that server dont speak nonsense, which makes it hard to decide
L185[14:05:03] <Forecaster> just ignore that one person then
L186[14:06:24] <CompanionCube> Izaya: GNUSSR would not be running Linux
L187[14:06:43] <Izaya> just HURD
L188[14:06:51] <CompanionCube> Linux is counter-revolutionary and revisionist
L189[14:07:01] <CompanionCube> long live the people's kernel of HURD.
L190[14:07:21] <AmandaC> Hrm. I need to figure out something to entertain me tomorrow while I'm internetless, or mostly-internetless
L191[14:07:49] <AmandaC> s/mostly-/usable-/
L192[14:07:49] <MichiBot> <AmandaC> Hrm. I need to figure out something to entertain me tomorrow while I'm internetless, or usable-internetless
L193[14:11:24] <Inari> Long live TempleOS
L194[14:11:52] <CompanionCube> Inari: you mean long live one of the forks?
L195[14:12:06] <CompanionCube> since there's no upstream maintainer any longer
L196[14:12:26] <Inari> The upstream is dead, long live the upstream
L197[14:29:57] <Kleadron> if its dead how does it live long
L198[14:30:49] <AmandaC> by becoming undead duh
L199[14:39:03] <Inari> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/327085/Report_The_Walking_Dead_developer_Telltale_Games_closing_down.php :o
L200[14:44:39] <AmandaC> I'm not sure if that should be filed in my brain as "expected" or "unexpected", for the same reason: All the big IPs they've made games for
L201[14:46:18] <CompanionCube> they've been having problems for a while though
L202[14:46:25] <Inari> Yeah
L203[14:46:40] <Inari> Apaprently they're not shutting down completely but keep a team of 25 (from previously 250)
L204[14:46:45] <Forecaster> I'll just throw it in the "eh" pile
L205[15:19:33] <Kodos> Filing for bankruptcy, too
L206[15:19:37] <Kodos> Hopefully we still get Lego games in the future ?
L207[15:19:45] <Kodos> That's one thing my wife and I like to do together
L208[15:20:48] <Kodos> Apparently I am a dumb dumb ❤
L209[15:28:50] <Kleadron> rip minecraft story mode
L210[15:35:12] <Inari> @Kodos source? For the bankruptcy
L211[15:37:24] <asie> there is no official information
L212[15:37:26] <asie> but that's the rumor
L213[15:37:34] <asie> pretty plausible fwiw
L214[15:37:37] <Kodos> The 'report' of the layoffs also included it
L215[15:37:47] <Inari> Why'd they keep 25 if they file for bankruptcy
L216[15:37:47] <Kodos> But yes, nothing's been confirmed afaik
L217[15:37:53] <asie> Inari: finish contractual obligations
L218[15:37:59] <Inari> I guess
L219[15:38:01] <asie> or try to get that final stretch of money
L220[15:38:06] <asie> for something mostly done
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L223[15:58:13] * Inari pets Lymia with AmandaC
L224[15:58:48] * Lymia nyas
L225[16:00:38] * Inari kons
L226[16:01:37] <vifino> oof.
L227[16:01:53] * AmandaC bites Inari
L228[16:01:59] <AmandaC> no using me to pet!
L229[16:02:12] <Inari> D:
L230[16:05:28] <AmandaC> I swear, you're not very good at this whole "interact with a cat" thing are you, Inari?
L231[16:05:47] <Inari> I'm a fox, of course I'm not
L232[16:06:31] <Inari> https://store.steampowered.com/app/271260/Star_Control_Origins/ that game has a lewd species
L233[16:06:31] <AmandaC> excuses excuses!
L234[16:07:00] <AmandaC> I should make it so my `ebook-maker` program can resize images and greyscale-ify them
L235[16:09:05] <asie> vifino: yes terry davis was quite literally deluded
L236[16:09:38] <asie> schizophrenia kind of does that to people
L237[16:09:42] <vifino> yeah.
L238[16:10:37] <vifino> asie: My X200 died. :(
L239[16:10:40] <asie> vifino: :(
L240[16:10:50] <asie> What will you replace it with?
L241[16:11:04] <vifino> I already did as of yesterday. T61.
L242[16:11:11] <asie> what why T61
L243[16:11:23] <asie> how is that even an upgrade
L244[16:11:33] <vifino> Because it was really cheap and until I can get another X200 that's what I'm using.
L245[16:11:48] <asie> why would you stick to X200s?
L246[16:12:12] <vifino> Because they are awesome.
L247[16:12:25] <asie> Too slow for my uses, unfortunately
L248[16:12:28] <vifino> No wasted space. No touchbad.
L249[16:12:30] <asie> though I want to get an X200 Tablet.
L250[16:12:47] <asie> Guaranteed IPS, and one company in Poland has a literal stack of them, a bit rough but super cheap and with pens
L251[16:12:52] <vifino> ooo
L252[16:12:53] <asie> But I already have an X250, so
L253[16:13:09] <asie> hard to justify
L254[16:13:20] <vifino> the most modern thinkpad i have is an X230t. excellent laptop.
L255[16:13:29] <asie> I had an X220, I hated its build quality
L256[16:13:34] <asie> it was worse than my X250 :|
L257[16:13:39] <vifino> oof.
L258[16:13:46] <asie> apparently Lenovo did some factory shuffling between Sandy and Haswell
L259[16:13:55] <vifino> the X230t i have is hella robust.
L260[16:14:01] <asie> which explains why a bunch of X220/X230 laptops seem to have QC issues
L261[16:14:02] <asie> I'm not the only one
L262[16:14:10] <vifino> it has won many wars.
L263[16:14:25] <vifino> including a floor and two doors.
L264[16:14:30] <asie> My X220 did too
L265[16:14:38] <asie> but it lost to a charger chip fault
L266[16:14:42] <vifino> :(
L267[16:14:43] <asie> which is apparently not uncommon for the model
L268[16:14:53] <asie> my X200 was stellar though. if it were faster I'd still use it
L269[16:15:20] <vifino> the only device which has held up more damage was the X200, man, that thing was so awesome. :'(
L270[16:16:07] <vifino> The cool thing about the T61 is that it's build quality is even better.
L271[16:16:18] <vifino> The magnesium roll cage... mmmm.
L272[16:16:23] <vifino> It's beautiful.
L273[16:17:28] <vifino> Doesn't flex at all, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up holding out more damage than my X200 did.
L274[16:17:29] * Lymia pets AmandaC too.
L275[16:17:36] <Lymia> Do cats get to pet cats?
L276[16:18:08] <vifino> One thing I am looking forward to is building a frankenpad. T61 with a core2quad modded into it. >:)
L277[16:18:10] <Inari> https://www.brunerhouse.com/blog/2018/9/21/telltale-closure Yep, it's over. At least I'm not an vid Telltale fan
L278[16:18:33] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfY22Y8lWEk¨
L279[16:18:34] <MichiBot> Dogs and cats petting each other - Funny dog & cat compilation | length: 4m 45s | Likes: 134 Dislikes: 9 Views: 25,740 | by MoBro94 Production | Published On 19/12/2014
L280[16:21:17] <vifino> asie: Get this: T61 only had c2d's, flash chinese bios mod, mod c2q cpu a little, insert into T61, load patched acpi tables and voilla, quadcore T61.
L281[16:22:02] <vifino> I'm gonna try to insert a QX9300, unlocked multiplier. Undervolting and overclocking. =)
L282[16:22:14] <asie> yeah
L283[16:22:50] <vifino> Sounded fun, so I bought a chip from china. *shrug*
L284[16:23:09] <vifino> When it arrives, I'm gonna try to get this stuff working.
L285[16:23:32] <vifino> Will definitly be a worthy replacement to my X200, especially at 15.2"
L286[16:23:43] <MichiBot> <vifino> Will definitly be a worthy alternative to my X200, especially at 15.2"
L287[16:23:43] <vifino> s/replacement/alternative/
L288[16:23:57] <vifino> jury's still out on the pre-sed statement.
L289[16:24:38] <vifino> the screen i got on this thing is surprisingly good, too. viewing angles are great.
L290[16:24:56] <asie> i need to put a 1080p IPS in my X250 still
L291[16:25:25] <vifino> i suspect it might be an aftermarket screen, cause it looks more like an IPS screen than a TN one. or at least of very high quality, unlike the one in my X200.
L292[16:28:47] <asie> Uh.
L293[16:28:49] <asie> They had various configurations.
L294[16:28:52] <asie> You could just get lucky.
L295[16:40:01] <vifino> maybe, but i thought the T61 didn't have IPS screens.
L296[16:42:11] <vifino> yeah, quick googling says it's not IPS, but very high quality TN.
L297[16:43:56] <vifino> looks like i have a Sharp screen. it's sharp. (don't hate me.)
L298[16:44:25] <vifino> er, LG.
L299[16:44:38] <vifino> i can't read.
L300[16:44:54] <vifino> doesn't help that my tea contains alcohol.
L301[16:46:06] <Lymia> What happened with Telltale?
L302[16:46:11] <Lymia> I thought they were doing fine financally?
L303[16:47:28] <AmandaC> %choose wait until tomorrow or halucinate now
L304[16:47:28] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I've heard halucinate now is in these days
L305[16:47:56] <AmandaC> now to decide which of the 7-8 halucinations I want to do!
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L307[16:48:52] <AmandaC> %roll 1d7
L308[16:48:52] <MichiBot> AmandaC: [5]
L309[16:52:52] <vifino> AmandaC: are you being a bad egg and taking hallucinogetic substances?
L310[16:53:52] <AmandaC> vifino: yup, absorbing eink though my eyeholes
L311[16:54:35] <vifino> what.
L312[16:55:58] <AmandaC> Books. I'm reading books
L313[16:56:36] <vifino> oh. that's a weird hallucinogen.
L314[16:56:47] <vifino> carry along with your "books".
L315[17:00:58] <Forecaster> It'd be great if Plex could handle ebooks
L316[17:01:23] <Forecaster> That and episodic audio content
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L318[17:45:00] <Kodos> If a bearded man makes a vase, is he a hairy potter?
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L325[18:34:12] <Kleadron> the ultimate mission: some form of basic on an opencomputers eeprom
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L330[19:19:34] <hgs> Hey there
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L332[19:20:32] <MGR> Hey there
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L336[20:08:02] <AmandaC> @Forecaster the opds feature of calibre-server fits that propose well for me
L337[20:08:39] <AmandaC> I've got it running on my raspberryNAS
L338[20:13:16] <AmandaC> And opds is an open standard so there's several apps for it for Android
L339[20:13:35] <AmandaC> And the one I wrote for my pocketbook ereader
L340[20:13:52] <AmandaC> Kbreader also has built-in support for it
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L343[20:52:13] <AmandaC> %choose be reasonable or hallucinate more
L344[20:52:13] <MichiBot> AmandaC: You'll want to go with be reasonable.
L345[20:52:19] <AmandaC> Aww
L346[20:53:41] <AmandaC> %tell inari no being a seductress, causing you're pure temporary Knight to blodgen himself to unconsciousness on the wall!
L347[20:53:42] <MichiBot> AmandaC: inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L348[20:54:02] <AmandaC> Anyway, night nerds
L349[21:53:12] <Kleadron> Is there a reason why "io" is a nil value
L350[21:56:30] <payonel> @Kleadron io should not be nil
L351[21:56:50] <payonel> @Kleadron can you explain your setup?
L352[21:56:56] <payonel> are you running openos?
L353[21:57:10] <payonel> are you executing code in a custom load() block?
L354[21:59:07] <Kleadron> i was trying to make some sort of lua interpereter on an eeprom kind of like BASIC, but the computer gives me an error saying that io is a nil value
L355[22:02:10] <Kleadron> theres an io.write in which isnt inside anything at line 76 that makes the computer crash
L356[22:06:54] <payonel> sorry, i was afk, back now (and reading)
L357[22:07:50] <payonel> @kleadron let's cover the typical user experience first
L358[22:08:05] <payonel> the Lua EEPROM looks for an operating system to run, finding openos
L359[22:08:29] <payonel> the runtime of the OS is the same thread that ran the eeprom
L360[22:08:39] <payonel> it is just that the eeprom has loaded the operating system
L361[22:09:18] <payonel> thus, there is an environment (some globals functinos, tables, etc) that is the "machine" layer, that is available to the eeprom
L362[22:09:28] <payonel> when openos boots up, it ADDS many things
L363[22:09:56] <payonel> such as a filesystem, a software tty layer
L364[22:10:02] <payonel> and...among other things, the io library
L365[22:10:20] <payonel> from the eeprom, there is no such thing as an io library
L366[22:10:33] <payonel> what would you be printing to? there is no tty?
L367[22:10:44] <payonel> what files would you open via io.open? there is no filesystem
L368[22:10:55] <xarses> moops
L369[22:11:00] <payonel> xarses: o/
L370[22:11:05] * xarses waves
L371[22:11:08] <payonel> xarses: i FINALLY fixed that skull dup bug
L372[22:11:10] <payonel> did you notice?
L373[22:11:15] <payonel> i should have fixed that a long time ago
L374[22:11:29] <xarses> the mob one?
L375[22:11:38] <payonel> fixed that one too
L376[22:11:47] <payonel> there was another, breaking skulls with robots/drones would dup them
L377[22:11:58] <xarses> finally figured out how to taint the world drops?
L378[22:12:15] <payonel> it was because in >=1.10 minecraft, the (vanilla) SkullBlock object had a custom onHarvest method and .. anyways, i fixed it
L379[22:12:30] <payonel> well, we were calling onHarvest AND onPlayerRemove
L380[22:12:39] <payonel> but in >=1.10, minecraft calls onHarvest for you
L381[22:12:40] <xarses> does that mean that GT axes tree-capitate w/o spilling items everywhere?
L382[22:13:02] <payonel> and for some weird reason, the SkullBlock creates its drops in its custom onHarvest (unlike other blocks)
L383[22:13:22] <Kleadron> Ok so its impossible to make a working operating system on an eeprom?
L384[22:13:22] <payonel> oh...unlikely
L385[22:13:37] <payonel> xarses: tree-cut mod tools probably do other magic stuff
L386[22:13:50] <payonel> we try to behave like a player
L387[22:14:02] <xarses> figures, not a big deal, don't notice dupes, just items spill everywhere
L388[22:14:31] <payonel> yeah, we search in an area for drops. tree cutting probably creates drops in a large area, and we don't "see" them
L389[22:14:53] <payonel> @Kleadron definitely not impossible. you just have to recreate those libraries yourself if you want to use them
L390[22:15:11] <xarses> ya, some show up, some dont and are still dropping in the sky
L391[22:15:30] <xarses> large spruce and everything
L392[22:15:42] <payonel> @Kleadron all you have is computer, component, coroutine, table, string, math, load, pairs, ipairs, ... some other basic lua stuff
L393[22:16:10] <payonel> xarses: i dont plan on fixing that. we'd have to dramatically change how our harvest code works
L394[22:16:27] <xarses> not necessary
L395[22:16:33] <payonel> xarses: cc keeps it simple, but...oc tries to interact like a real player
L396[22:17:00] <payonel> cc doesn't breaks the block, it calls for its drops directly, rolls rand() itself, and only creates entities for what it can't store
L397[22:17:08] <xarses> I enjoy not tree climbing, I can deal with spillage
L398[22:18:01] <payonel> @Kleadron everything that makes openos works is written in lua code that exists and runs in the game world
L399[22:18:42] <xarses> I need to get back to hacking on OCEmu
L400[22:18:43] <payonel> openos gets zero special treatment
L401[22:18:45] <Kleadron> I see
L402[22:18:59] <payonel> your own code, either on an eeprom, or on disks, has all the access and ability to do stuff like openos
L403[22:19:55] <xarses> byoc
L404[22:20:22] <payonel> @kleadron if you have a gpu and a screen: gpu = component.proxy(component.list("gpu")()) gpu.bind(component.list("screen")()) gpu.set(1,1,"hello world")
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L406[22:30:39] <Kleadron> eeprom should be able to store more tbh
L407[22:38:13] <payonel> Izaya knows your pain
L408[22:38:21] * Izaya laughs
L409[22:38:37] <Izaya> 4KB is enough to fit a multitasking multi-user interactive OS
L410[22:38:55] <Kleadron> also, sure theres no filesystem, but i would still like to have some io stuff
L411[22:39:08] <Izaya> there is a filesystem
L412[22:39:23] <Kleadron> it doesnt need a filesystem because its on an eeprom
L413[22:39:32] * Izaya points at the tmpfs
L414[22:39:53] <Kleadron> oh
L415[22:42:26] <Kleadron> So the operating system magicaly gets some libraries but the eeprom doesnt
L416[22:42:48] <Izaya> Depends, does including said libraries count as magic?
L417[22:42:49] <Kleadron> filesystem could be used for accessing floppy drives
L418[22:43:18] <payonel> @kleadron there is no magic. i've said that
L419[22:43:25] <payonel> openos builds its own filesystem library
L420[22:43:57] <Izaya> https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/Embedded/ufs.lua
L421[22:43:57] <xarses> tbh, all that stuff that openos has is built from the provided interfaces and openos eeprom
L422[22:44:15] <Izaya> there, a FS library that will work in an EEPROM
L423[22:45:11] <Izaya> you'll want to minify it of course, but it exists
L424[22:45:51] <payonel> Izaya: have you tried building a self extraction kernel?
L425[22:46:11] <Izaya> something that loads and runs compressed data?
L426[22:46:15] <payonel> k="compressed" x(k,tmpfs) load(tmpfs)
L427[22:46:57] <Izaya> I mean, it's an idea but I don't think - YAY I GOT ANOTHER CAT - that without a data card it would be very useful
L428[22:47:08] <payonel> another cat?! :) haha
L429[22:47:20] <Izaya> android easter egg
L430[22:47:56] <payonel> or... load((code:gsub("F", "function"))() ?
L431[22:48:06] <payonel> i bet you've tried all of these things
L432[22:48:09] <Izaya> that could work
L433[22:48:21] <Izaya> honestly 20kdc has done more work on compression than me
L434[22:53:55] <Izaya> if I replaced function, local and return with 2-byte replacements though...
L435[22:57:59] <Izaya> even better:
L436[22:58:04] <Izaya> control codes not commonly used
L437[22:58:47] <Kleadron> this is confusing
L438[23:04:07] <payonel> xarses: how many bundled redstone options do you know of?
L439[23:04:12] <payonel> projectred, rswires, others?
L440[23:04:33] <xarses> red, blue power
L441[23:04:42] <xarses> projectred even
L442[23:05:09] <xarses> ...
L443[23:05:20] * xarses opens some mod packs
L444[23:07:13] <xarses> redlogic
L445[23:10:48] <xarses> isn't ender io "bundled"?
L446[23:13:04] <xarses> thats all I can come up with
L447[23:21:09] <xarses> oh, blue is only 164, so nvm
L448[23:21:19] <payonel> only?
L449[23:21:29] <payonel> 164 colors?
L450[23:21:42] <payonel> or mc 1.6.4?
L451[23:23:39] <payonel> blue and red stopped back in 1.6.4
L452[23:24:14] <payonel> so now we have pred, rswires, and maybe ender io? i do recall something about colors in ender io. i'll check
L453[23:26:01] <xarses> redlogic is 1.7.10
L454[23:26:46] <payonel> i couldn't find it for 1.7.10. the old minecraft.net page had 404s anyways
L455[23:27:00] <xarses> some a-hat keeps putting it in our server packs
L456[23:27:13] <payonel> heh
L457[23:27:18] <payonel> why does that bother you?
L458[23:27:50] <xarses> it doesn't work with forge microblocks
L459[23:28:03] <xarses> pred does
L460[23:28:16] <payonel> yeah, sure, but, you can just not use those blocks, no?
L461[23:28:33] <xarses> you cant put covers over them
L462[23:29:10] <payonel> yeah, but, just dont use them in your base
L463[23:29:15] <xarses> they have to occupy the next block, and can only be placed on a whole block, they don't even place on the top/bottom of slabs
L464[23:29:19] <payonel> or are you saying, you only have redlogic and no pred?
L465[23:29:30] <xarses> that
L466[23:30:05] <payonel> ah, weird
L467[23:31:45] <payonel> so oc works with the enderio redstone, you could say they have bundled redstone, but you have to change the color on the leaf nodes of their network
L468[23:32:43] <xarses> ok, so we can't set the color of that yet
L469[23:32:50] <payonel> xarses: https://imgur.com/a/A3QpYwT
L470[23:33:25] <payonel> i want to provide more ender io support
L471[23:33:31] <payonel> adapters and what not
L472[23:33:35] <payonel> but that's probably something for our 1.8
L473[23:33:42] <payonel> i should proably focus on fixes for 1.7.3
L474[23:33:44] <xarses> ++
L475[23:33:50] <xarses> to both
L476[23:34:04] <payonel> i'm just (atm) reviewing where we lack bundled redstone support
L477[23:34:07] <payonel> we have project red now
L478[23:34:17] <payonel> i've confirmed rswires is a no
L479[23:34:26] <payonel> but....my issue is that we dont have a nice interface for bundled
L480[23:34:36] <payonel> i think oc should perhaps consider an api
L481[23:34:46] <payonel> and then ask rswires to check for it on our block
L482[23:34:59] <payonel> we are extending the project red interface, thus we work with them
L483[23:35:13] <payonel> but rather than add every single api, i think we should make our own, and add it to our api
L484[23:39:08] <xarses> we could ask greg to add something
L485[23:39:16] <payonel> ?
L486[23:39:19] <xarses> to gt
L487[23:39:22] <payonel> greg of gregtech?
L488[23:39:30] <payonel> to what ... huh?
L489[23:40:11] <xarses> as I understand he's been interested in having some OC support in GT6
L490[23:40:32] <xarses> not sure where he stands on logics
L491[23:41:20] <xarses> doe erm, the storage/ crafting mod have something?
L492[23:41:28] <payonel> ae2?
L493[23:41:33] <payonel> no
L494[23:41:36] <xarses> that and the other one
L495[23:41:40] <xarses> LP
L496[23:41:42] <payonel> rf
L497[23:41:48] <payonel> oh i dont care about lp...
L498[23:41:57] <payonel> i should probably say that in private
L499[23:41:58] <payonel> :)
L500[23:42:02] <payonel> too late now!
L501[23:42:15] <xarses> I won't tell..
L502[23:42:31] * xarses vacuums some logs
L503[23:43:49] <Kodos> Red Logic is an immibis mod, you'll need his microblocks mod for his red logic wires
L504[23:44:19] <payonel> @kodos i'm not looking for extending bundled logic support for mods that aren't updating anymore
L505[23:44:55] <payonel> and i'm also trying to decide if i'm done adding mod deps solely for the purpose of redstone logic i/o
L506[23:44:59] <payonel> it is....asking for mess
L507[23:45:09] <xarses> from the necro... https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/613
L508[23:45:10] <MichiBot> Title: Bundled Redstone Cable Support Request: EnderIO | Posted by: Qanthelas | Posted: Wed Oct 22 09:35:42 CDT 2014 | Status: closed
L509[23:45:14] <payonel> i want to just add a redstone api to oc, then nicely ask them to use ours
L510[23:45:52] <Kodos> Why not just use OC Conduits, and put a redstone I/O block wherever
L511[23:46:03] <payonel> oh rednet, forgot about that
L512[23:46:15] <payonel> is rednet alive?
L513[23:46:28] <Kodos> It was MFR, so unless IF added it, then no
L514[23:47:06] <payonel> xarses: nice find, thank you
L515[23:47:29] <payonel> sorry, IF?
L516[23:47:43] <xarses> I had some problems with putting a redstone I/O block wherever in some cases and terminated 3 bundled cables on different sides
L517[23:49:54] <Kodos> Industrial Foregoing, the MFR successor
L518[23:59:49] <payonel> telltale games is closing down?!
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