L1[00:00:37] 
<Kharkov>
its pretty much impossible to do subnetting without routers being
able to monitor the traffic of the clients
<Kharkov>
its pretty much impossible to do subnetting without routers being
able to monitor the traffic of the clientsL2[00:01:33] <Kharkov>
you can kinda do it on the client side, but it defeats many of the
benefits of subnetting and creates artificial issues related to
routing table propagation
<Kharkov>
you can kinda do it on the client side, but it defeats many of the
benefits of subnetting and creates artificial issues related to
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L4[00:06:23] <Kharkov> is it possible to
create one way relays
L5[00:06:56] <Kodos> You can use a
microcontroller for networking
L6[00:07:13] <Kodos> Or probably a server
would be better suited
L7[00:07:25] <Kharkov> how can you if you
cant read the traffic
L8[00:12:47] <Kodos> Run a server with two
network cards, use one for incoming messages, and another for
outgoing
L9[00:13:13] <Kodos> Then just direct all
non-public messages to the incoming modem, and write a protocol for
directing to the proper destinations
L10[00:13:33] <Kharkov> I see
L11[00:14:07] <Kharkov> but then how would
it know who to send it back to
L12[00:14:35] <Kharkov> as there can be
multiple routers between the client and the final destination
server
L13[00:14:54] <Kharkov> unless you have the
entire routing path in the packet itself
L14[00:15:27] <Kharkov> which creates an
extremely high overhead (probably exceeds 100%)
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L16[00:22:40] <Kodos> I mean, it depends on
how it's set up
L17[00:23:15] <Kodos> Technically you could
just have each routing server store a list of 'final' destinations
that it supports. Check the packet's destination address against
them, and if it doesn't match any, send it to the next routing
server
L18[00:24:17] <Izaya> Kodos: any idea if
you can set which sides are open for which network card with a
microcontroller?
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L20[00:25:36] <Kodos> 90% certain there is,
but I can't recall how
L21[00:25:44] <Izaya> Huh.
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L23[00:37:18] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER:
test whether a relay or computer is faster
L24[00:38:02] <Izaya> %remindme 4h test
whether a computer or relay is faster
L25[00:38:02] <MichiBot> I'll remind you
about "test whether a computer or relay is faster" at
08/21/2018 04:38:02 AM
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L27[01:05:05] <Kodos> %tonk
L28[01:05:05] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Kodos,
you were not able to beat MGR's record of 2 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours,
49 minutes and 10 seconds this time.
L29[01:05:06] <MichiBot> 6 days, 18 hours,
14 minutes and 34 seconds was wasted!
L30[01:05:12] <Kodos> Huehue
L31[01:38:26] <Lizzian>
%loot
<Lizzian>
%lootL32[01:38:26] <MichiBot> Lizzian: You get a
loot box! It contains a broken .tif.
L33[01:45:30] <Forecaster>
%loot
<Forecaster>
%lootL34[01:45:31] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You
get a loot box! It contains a Magic payonaise! (25%)
L35[02:15:12] <Kodos>
%loot
<Kodos>
%lootL36[02:15:12] <MichiBot> Kodos: You get a
loot box! It contains the bottom of a barrel.
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L38[03:04:27] <payonel> Saphire: o/
L39[03:14:02] <Izaya> hai mayonel
L40[03:14:24] <Izaya> how are you on this
fine evening
L41[03:15:12] <Izaya> (and do you know
whether you can close sides for specific modems with a
microcontroller?)
L42[03:15:16] <Izaya> ~w
microcontroller
L43[03:15:16] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/block:microcontroller
L44[03:16:55] <payonel> either someone was
asking for that feature...or it exists :)
L45[03:16:58] <payonel> one of the two
:)
L46[03:17:16] <Izaya> I know you can
open/close sides but I'm not sure if it's for all network messages
or just specific sides
L47[03:19:42] <Izaya> isSideOpen,
getSideOpen
L48[03:19:44] <Izaya> global
L49[03:19:45] <Izaya> argh
L50[03:19:55] <Izaya> that's no use for
sticking in two cards and filtering packets
L51[03:23:24] <Izaya> unless one is either
wireless or linked, I guess
L52[03:25:12] <Izaya> hey does any OS
actually support buffering to offscreen video memory?
L53[03:27:36] <Izaya> I wonder how fast a
microcontroller can switch sides to being open/closed
L54[03:28:55] <Izaya> payonel: so I had an
idea about optimising traffic in Minitel, can I get your
opinion?
L55[03:29:32] <Izaya> rather than resending
after a fixed (configurable) amount of time, resend the packet
after a random time between two configurable amounts
L56[03:33:01] <Izaya> this is like how
collision avoidance on WiFi works
L57[03:34:01] <Izaya> I mean sure we don't
have packet collisions in OC but we do get network congestion
L58[03:35:18] <Izaya> %stats
L59[03:35:18] <MichiBot> Stats: https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/stats.html
L60[03:36:12] <Izaya> I wonder if I have
the record for the most soliloquies now
L61[03:41:24] <Izaya> (There's your word
for the day)
L62[03:47:36] <Forecaster>
if someone else uses it do they get slime poured on them?
<Forecaster>
if someone else uses it do they get slime poured on them?L63[03:47:59] <Izaya> iunno, maybe
L64[03:48:06] <Izaya> if someone else is
doing the slime pouring, I guess
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L66[04:02:45] <Saphire> payonel: oi
L67[04:02:55] <Forecaster>
ohno
<Forecaster>
ohnoL68[04:02:56] <Saphire> Any updates on
openos? ^^
L69[04:03:09] <Saphire> Also, eheh
L70[04:03:21] <Saphire> Izaya: my site is
closed source :>
L71[04:03:46] <Izaya> Saphire: for what
purpose
L72[04:04:02] <Saphire> ... Not that
there's any code
L73[04:04:22] <Izaya> oh okay
continue
L74[04:04:35] <Forecaster>
so it's closed not-source
<Forecaster>
so it's closed not-sourceL75[04:04:37] <Forecaster>
:D
<Forecaster>
:DL76[04:04:42] <Forecaster>
or no-source
<Forecaster>
or no-sourceL77[04:04:48] <Izaya> I don't think mine is quite as
open as I'd like, I haven't pushed to the repo in about a
year
L78[04:07:42] <Saphire> Izaya: you're just
doing open source like Telegram
L79[04:07:49] <Izaya> oh okay
L80[04:07:52] <Izaya> everyone loves
them
L81[04:07:54] <Izaya> that's fine
then
L82[04:08:08] <Saphire> Technically open
source. But commits from developer come once in forever
L83[04:08:18] <Izaya> I've been meaning to
split the generator from the actual content for a while but it
hasn't happened
L84[04:08:47] <Izaya> Busy with other
stuff.
L85[04:10:52] <Kodos> Does
anyone have a jar of the latest/last version of Pixelmon for 1.
7.10?
<Kodos> Does
anyone have a jar of the latest/last version of Pixelmon for 1.
7.10?L86[04:10:57] <Kodos>
Wife's wanting it
<Kodos>
Wife's wanting itL87[04:13:29] <asie> Saphire: IIRC that's
because they don't branch off unannounced features
L88[04:13:38] <asie> so they only push FOSS
releases when there's none in the tree
L89[04:14:37] <Saphire> V:
L90[04:14:40] <Saphire> Assholes
L91[04:15:14] <Saphire> Izaya: i should add
a generator. Keeping all the headers updated is a bit of PITA
L92[04:15:24] <Izaya> Saphire: yes
L93[04:15:28] <Izaya> write content in
markdown
L94[04:15:44] <Saphire> Ew
L95[04:15:49] <Izaya> append and prepend
headers with a {bash,lua} script
L96[04:15:58] <Izaya> s/headers/headers and
footers/
L97[04:15:58] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
append and prepend headers and footers with a {bash,lua}
script
L98[04:16:00] <Saphire> ... Have you seen
my site <.<
L99[04:16:00] <Izaya> max comf
L100[04:16:05] <Izaya> yes
L101[04:16:09] <Izaya> when I saw it it
was one page
L102[04:16:18] <Saphire> Well
L103[04:16:32] <Saphire> I updated it to
be a... Another one page!
L104[04:16:38] <Izaya> :D
L105[04:16:50] <Saphire> But it actually
has something that isn't just a placeholder "content
here"
L106[04:17:05] <Izaya> but where will you
write up your shitblogposts?
L107[04:17:08] <Izaya> like me?
L108[04:17:36] <Izaya> inb4 you do
something saner with GNU social or mastodon or something
L109[04:17:45] <Saphire> Maybe in https://saphi.re/blog
L110[04:17:54] <Saphire> Or yah, mastadon
is a thing
L111[04:17:58] <Saphire> And Twitter
L112[04:18:04] <Izaya> >using
twatter
L113[04:18:54] *
Saphire chirps at Izaya
L114[04:28:55] <asie> >using
twitter
L115[04:29:50] <Izaya> also why is the
<title> a NFS path?
L116[04:30:01] <Izaya> oh wait scp and
such use that form too
L117[04:30:05] <Izaya> aight never
mind
L118[04:38:03] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER:
test whether a computer or relay is faster
L119[04:38:13] <Izaya> a relay is faster I
did the maths
L120[04:47:51] <Forecaster>
saphi.re/blog => 404
<Forecaster>
saphi.re/blog => 404L121[04:52:36] <Inari> > using
mastadon
L122[04:54:30] <Izaya> >not writing
your own mastodon-compatible server
L123[05:00:18] <Inari> >writing your
own mastodon-compatible server that isn't IRC based
L124[05:00:54] <Forecaster>
>pointing at things
<Forecaster>
>pointing at thingsL125[05:01:04] <Inari> >pointing at
boobs
L126[05:01:05] <Izaya> >implying
L127[05:03:07] <Inari> %loot
L128[05:03:07] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a
loot box! It contains a broken .tif.
L129[05:27:31] <Forecaster>
%loot me
<Forecaster>
%loot meL130[05:27:32] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You
get a loot box! It contains a pecan pie.
L131[05:28:36] <Forecaster>
"Twitch announces dropping ad-free for premium
members"
<Forecaster>
"Twitch announces dropping ad-free for premium
members"L132[05:28:41] <Forecaster>
then what's the point
<Forecaster>
then what's the pointL133[05:28:50] <Inari> The other
"benefits" of it
L134[05:28:57] <Inari> But don't
worry
L135[05:29:04] <Inari> You can pay $9 a
month for ad-free viewing
L136[05:29:06] <Inari> <heh>
L137[05:32:16] <Izaya> twitch has
ads?
L138[05:32:20] <Izaya> huh
L139[05:33:11] <Forecaster>
apparently
<Forecaster>
apparentlyL140[05:33:26] <Forecaster>
I don't watch twitch a lot
<Forecaster>
I don't watch twitch a lotL141[05:33:41] *
Izaya nods
L142[05:33:44] <Izaya> I rarely go near
it
L143[05:34:44] <Inari> I wonder if they
implemented the system yet where you can't block ads
L144[05:34:53] <Inari> Because they'd go
into the video feed you get
L145[05:36:36] <Forecaster>
it's great how they don't say why they're doing this in the email
they sent out
<Forecaster>
it's great how they don't say why they're doing this in the email
they sent outL146[05:37:43] <Inari> Because they want
more money, why else
L147[05:42:44] <Forecaster>
ooh
<Forecaster>
oohL148[05:43:23] <Forecaster>
they're making Desprados 3 o.o
<Forecaster>
they're making Desprados 3 o.oL149[05:46:20] <Mettaton_Fab> twitch has ads, but i only
see them when ublock doesnt load properly
<Mettaton_Fab> twitch has ads, but i only
see them when ublock doesnt load properlyL150[05:46:55] <Izaya> oh that'd explain
it
L151[05:47:07] <Izaya> I have a couple of
adblockers and similar
L152[05:53:22] <Forecaster>
I wants
<Forecaster>
I wantsL153[05:53:47] <Forecaster>
I wish it was easier to get the first game to work
<Forecaster>
I wish it was easier to get the first game to workL154[05:59:41]
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L156[06:15:11] <Inari> @Mettaton_Fab yeah,
thats why I wondered. They had that unblockable ads system in
planning
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L159[07:23:20] <MGR>
"The customer takes off the shirt he is wearing, gestures to
his own torso, and then angrily throws his shirt at me." ---
Quote 1/2
<MGR>
"The customer takes off the shirt he is wearing, gestures to
his own torso, and then angrily throws his shirt at me." ---
Quote 1/2L160[07:25:30] <Izaya> There was something
he wanted you to see.
L161[07:25:32] <Izaya> %lenny
L162[07:25:32] <MichiBot> Izaya: ( ͡° ͜ʖ
͡°)
L163[07:25:43] <Izaya> Oh shit it is a
command. Nice.
L164[07:31:28] <Inari> RIP reddit
L165[07:34:27] <Forecaster>
did it fall into the sarchasm?
<Forecaster>
did it fall into the sarchasm?L166[07:34:59] <Inari> Pehraps
L167[07:35:02] <Inari> Its back
though
L168[07:35:41] <Forecaster>
it escaped the pull
<Forecaster>
it escaped the pullL169[07:52:27] <Izaya> >2080:
$1199
L170[07:52:36] <Izaya> >2080 Ti:
$1899
L171[07:53:18] <Izaya> Good thing I'm not
in the market for a new card, jhc
L172[07:56:00] <MGR> Oh,
that's in AUD
<MGR> Oh,
that's in AUDL173[07:56:13] <MGR> I was
thinking "That's not the prices at all" and then I
remembered Australia
<MGR> I was
thinking "That's not the prices at all" and then I
remembered AustraliaL174[07:56:16] <Izaya> yeah they gotta
make sure all the bits don't fall out
L175[07:56:21] <Izaya> still, fuck
L176[07:56:40] <Izaya> I was looking at a
CT110 that was unironically cheaper than both of those
L177[07:59:18] <MGR> The
prices are indeed off the charts
<MGR> The
prices are indeed off the chartsL178[07:59:29] <MGR> I just
told my friend to look for the inevitable 1080Ti sales and get one
of those
<MGR> I just
told my friend to look for the inevitable 1080Ti sales and get one
of thoseL179[07:59:37] <Izaya> I wonder what AMD's
going to do in response.
L180[07:59:54] <Izaya> It won't be hard to
compete on value if they get their shit together driver wise.
L181[08:00:22] <MGR> Their
margins are still going to suffer
<MGR> Their
margins are still going to sufferL182[08:00:59] <MGR> I've
been hearing good things about their drivers lately though, which
is encouraging
<MGR> I've
been hearing good things about their drivers lately though, which
is encouragingL183[08:01:04] *
Izaya nods
L184[08:01:23] <Izaya> I'm not sure how it
is on the Windows side but on Linux a Vega 64 will happily kick the
shit out of a 1080Ti
L185[08:01:41] <MGR> On
Windows a 1080Ti destroys Vega 64
<MGR> On
Windows a 1080Ti destroys Vega 64L186[08:01:45] <Izaya> Admittedly NVIDIA
isn't too interested in Linux unless you own a Quadro but it's
still encouraging.
L187[08:01:49] <MGR> Vega
64 can't even match a 1080 sometimes
<MGR> Vega
64 can't even match a 1080 sometimesL188[08:02:25]
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L189[08:02:31] <Izaya> Interesting
times.
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L191[08:03:08] <Izaya> I need to try some
of my more modern Windows games under Linux with DXVK some
time.
L192[08:03:19] <Izaya> Heh, that'd be
neat: DX12-to-Vulkan on Windows 7
L193[08:04:38] <Izaya> Man when I last
used WINE to play something remotely modern it was converting DX9
calls to OpenGL on the CPU
L194[08:16:12] <asie> Izaya: Not anymore
.Check the latest Phoronix benchmarks.
L195[08:16:27] <Izaya> Oh, NVIDIA's
stepped up their game?
L196[08:16:30] <asie> Very possible.
L197[08:16:46] <Izaya> Maybe it's to do
with Valve's announcement
L198[08:16:47] <asie> Regardless, nVidia's
drivers and policies suck a lot, and I don't even need a GPU
L199[08:16:50] <asie> I use Intel cards
lul
L200[08:17:10] <Izaya> Now if only they'd
implement the stuff for Wayland properly, eh?
L201[08:18:20] <asie> They probably will
once they have to
L202[08:18:30] <Inari> https://twitter.com/kongdoll0525/status/1031893073989488640
i also like plane yogurt
L203[08:18:30] <MichiBot> Tue Aug 21
08:17:35 CDT 2018 @kongdoll0525: 애들이 이거 보고 카페사장 나녜
L204[08:18:34] <asie> Right now they're
busy proving the milkability of PC gamers
L205[08:18:41] <asie> who not once mocked
console gamers for being milkable... how adorable
L206[08:18:48] *
Izaya nods
L207[08:19:02] <asie> for the price of an
RTX 1080 Ti you can literally buy all 3 leading consoles
L208[08:19:02] <Izaya> I'd prefer not to
be using an NVIDIA card but you can't really argue with
top-of-the-line GPUs for free
L209[08:19:07] <Inari> Being milked is
pretty lewd
L210[08:19:21] <asie> Inari: nVidia's
raytracing lets you render lewd more realistically than ever
before
L211[08:19:25] <asie> :thinking:
L212[08:19:34] <Inari> Actually it's an
odd phrase even
L213[08:19:41] <Izaya> Maybe I should
abuse VT-d
L214[08:19:43] <asie> >odd phrase
even
L215[08:19:45] <asie> >odd
L216[08:19:47] <asie> >even
L217[08:19:49] <asie> HUH.
L218[08:19:56] <Inari> xD
L219[08:19:58] <Izaya> Linux with the
iGPU, Windows via Looking Glass
L220[08:20:04] <Inari> %inv add
EvenStr13
L221[08:20:04] *
MichiBot summons 'EvenStr13' and adds to her inventory. This seems
very sturdy.
L222[08:20:07] <Inari> %loot AmandaC's
fur
L223[08:20:08] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a
loot box! It contains a chocolate bar that was left out in the
sun.
L224[08:20:18] <Izaya> Though
L225[08:20:28] <AmandaC> D: Who put that
in my fur!?
L226[08:20:28] <Izaya> Considering recent
developments, I'd almost say Windows is unneccesary
L227[08:22:04] <Izaya> asie: you going to
be looking into getting a Shakti-based machine once they're
available?
L228[08:27:49] <Mettaton_Fab> %loot Vodka-cooled PC
<Mettaton_Fab> %loot Vodka-cooled PCL229[08:27:50] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab:
You get a loot box! It contains an unassuming lamp.
L230[08:31:07] <Forecaster>
%loot doesn't work like that
<Forecaster>
%loot doesn't work like thatL231[08:31:08] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You
get a loot box! It contains a tiny packet of ketchup.
L232[08:31:21] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> throws the packet into the PC
L233[08:32:08] <Izaya> oh, ketchup is
distinct from tomato sauce
L234[08:32:10] <Izaya> there you go
L235[08:32:53] <Izaya> figured it was just
the silly americans making stuff difficult for the sake of
Freedom(TM)
L236[08:33:15] <Mettaton_Fab> just use ketchup as thermal
compound
<Mettaton_Fab> just use ketchup as thermal
compoundL237[08:33:22] <Izaya> I've used
vegimite.
L238[08:33:29] <Mettaton_Fab> what
<Mettaton_Fab> whatL239[08:33:37] <Izaya> It has some
impressive thermal properties till it dries out.
L240[08:33:57] <Mettaton_Fab> a german PC magazine made a
video about thermal compound substitutes
<Mettaton_Fab> a german PC magazine made a
video about thermal compound substitutesL241[08:34:11] <Mettaton_Fab> better than arctic cooling
MX.4
<Mettaton_Fab> better than arctic cooling
MX.4L242[08:34:21] <Izaya> peanut butter is
apparently relatively good too
L243[08:34:34] <Izaya> I only ever buy the
chunky stuff though.
L244[08:35:44] <Joco223>
@Mettaton_Fab You watch some good videos :)
<Joco223>
@Mettaton_Fab You watch some good videos :)L245[08:36:37] <Mettaton_Fab> they even used a 400W
cooling fan to cool the CPU without a heatsink
<Mettaton_Fab> they even used a 400W
cooling fan to cool the CPU without a heatsinkL246[08:36:41] <Mettaton_Fab> didnt go well tho
<Mettaton_Fab> didnt go well thoL247[08:36:51] <Izaya> sounds toasty
L248[08:36:57] <Izaya> should've added
some bread
L249[08:37:17] <Izaya> then it would've
been
L250[08:37:20] <Izaya> breddy gud
L251[08:37:26] *
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L253[08:38:09] <Izaya> Anyway, I should be
off - it's getting towards midnight and while I have nothing to do
tomorrow, I should really try to get some catch-up sleep
L254[08:39:40] <Izaya> Enjoy your day,
everyone.
L255[08:45:16] <Inari> You can't really
catch up on sleep though
L256[08:45:37] <MGR>
Obviously you haven't run fast enough ?
<MGR>
Obviously you haven't run fast enough ?L257[08:46:21]
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L258[08:49:31] <Mettaton_Fab> catching up on sleep only
works if you sleep for 2 year straight
<Mettaton_Fab> catching up on sleep only
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L261[09:34:27] <Mimiru> Man... this fuckin
"noahthegame" person is... special.
L262[09:34:46] <Forecaster>
who?
<Forecaster>
who?L263[09:35:13] <Mimiru> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/profile/3301-noahthegame/content/&all_activity=1&
L264[09:36:31] <Forecaster>
ah, well you know, gotta go fast
<Forecaster>
ah, well you know, gotta go fastL265[09:37:58] <asie> no, he has a few
valid points
L266[09:38:04] <asie> the balance of OC
GPU commands is stupid in many ways
L267[09:38:09] <asie> i can call 256 sets
with 160 characters each
L268[09:38:14] <asie> this is too
much
L269[09:38:27] <asie> conversely, i can
call 128 fills which take 1/32th the size of one such set
each
L270[09:39:09] <asie> in general i think
copies and fills should be much faster than sets, as well as there
being a decently sized backbuffer for caching
L271[09:39:46] <Mimiru> I wasn't referring
to his posts, just showing who he was. was RE: a message I got from
him yesterday
L272[09:39:59] <asie> oh
L273[09:40:04] <asie> message?
L274[09:40:08] <Mimiru> https://drive.pc-logix.com/index.php/s/ditYwqZaArXJwip
L275[09:40:24] <asie> that is
L276[09:40:26] <asie> unique
L277[09:40:57] <Mimiru> I was at work when
I got his first message, I was trying to do any research on the
warning I had issued before I replied, went to bed...
L278[09:41:04] <Mimiru> and there was that
waiting for me.
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L280[09:46:27] <Mimiru> "
L281[09:46:27] <Mimiru> you get it to
sound like i wish to delete my permanent -1 rep, no.
L282[09:46:27] <Mimiru> "
L283[09:46:27] <Mimiru> i just forgoten
what i did and wanted to make sure that it was becuse the image was
deleted, why didn't you just answer in the first place. you hoped
that i'll just forget about it?
L284[09:46:31] <Mimiru> FUcking
hell..
L285[09:47:48] <Forecaster>
"permanent -1 rep" what
<Forecaster>
"permanent -1 rep" whatL286[09:48:11] <Forecaster>
it says -1 in the screenshot
<Forecaster>
it says -1 in the screenshotL287[09:48:15] <Forecaster>
it says -3 in the screenshot [Edited]
<Forecaster>
it says -3 in the screenshot [Edited]L288[09:48:32] <Mimiru> anyway off to
work
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L296[10:47:58] <Joco223>
Because i am so cheap and i like to not spend my diamonds, i
decided to not make a Hard Disk RAID but a Floppy Disk Raid,
*points to head*
<Joco223>
Because i am so cheap and i like to not spend my diamonds, i
decided to not make a Hard Disk RAID but a Floppy Disk Raid,
*points to head*L297[10:48:09] <Joco223> I
might actually be able to pull it off
<Joco223> I
might actually be able to pull it offL298[10:48:22] <MGR> Do
it
<MGR> Do
itL299[10:49:26] <Joco223>
Planning out the code so it would be clean, i will actually use it
as a raid for storing a bunch of my programs
<Joco223>
Planning out the code so it would be clean, i will actually use it
as a raid for storing a bunch of my programsL300[10:54:51] <Joco223> It
can actually be more space efficient that HDD RAIDs
<Joco223> It
can actually be more space efficient that HDD RAIDsL301[11:00:24] <Joco223> I
wont actually be making it an actual file system
<Joco223> I
wont actually be making it an actual file systemL302[11:01:23] <Joco223> I
would just have a set of commands to use it, put, get, list,
rename, delete
<Joco223> I
would just have a set of commands to use it, put, get, list,
rename, deleteL303[11:01:37] <Joco223>
And should i implement folders?
<Joco223>
And should i implement folders?L304[11:02:40] <Joco223>
Meh, i don't know about folders
<Joco223>
Meh, i don't know about foldersL305[11:39:56] <Inari> https://blog.vive.com/us/2018/08/21/htc-vive-cuts-cable-debut-vive-wireless-adapter/
neat
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L307[12:23:59] <ben_mkiv> exploding lipos
in your face
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L309[12:51:43] <AmandaC> That's Samsung,
not HTC
L310[12:57:07] <Forecaster>
orisit?!
<Forecaster>
orisit?!L311[12:57:25]
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L312[13:06:07] <payonel> Saphire: i
definitely have an improved ls for you workflow
L313[13:06:28] <payonel> Izaya: do you
have any resend limits?
L314[13:06:38] <payonel> e.g. retry
counts; retry backoff
L315[13:17:08] <AmandaC> %choose continue
computer or no
L316[13:17:08] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
no
L317[13:17:55] <AmandaC> %choose games or
other
L318[13:17:55] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
other
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L320[13:31:53] <Izaya> payonel: of
course
L321[13:32:41] <payonel> then i dont think
scattered retry is needful
L322[13:33:06] <Forecaster>
you think it's needempty
<Forecaster>
you think it's needemptyL323[13:33:19] <payonel> well, more
needlacking
L324[13:37:27] <Izaya> aight
L325[13:38:51] <AmandaC> Morning
Izaya
L326[14:00:33] <Lizzian> k,
so in removing netplan from my mail server it fucked up a load of
other stuff to the point where it wont find certbot now....
<Lizzian> k,
so in removing netplan from my mail server it fucked up a load of
other stuff to the point where it wont find certbot now....L327[14:01:45] <Lizzian>
urghh
<Lizzian>
urghhL328[14:03:23] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/367570178277507072/481531660807176193/unknown.png
L329[14:06:06] <payonel> Inari: how long
will that take?
L330[14:06:13] <payonel> and, how long are
you willing to wait?
L331[14:08:35] <Inari> Haha
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L333[14:12:45] <Lizzian> k,
correction, ubuntu 18.04 doesn't seem to be able to install certbot
at all
<Lizzian> k,
correction, ubuntu 18.04 doesn't seem to be able to install certbot
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L337[14:18:58] <Lizzian>
oh
<Lizzian>
ohL338[14:19:08] <Lizzian>
had to enable tyhe universe repo first.....
<Lizzian>
had to enable tyhe universe repo first.....L339[14:19:12] <Lizzian>
fucks sake
<Lizzian>
fucks sakeL340[14:21:11]
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L341[14:22:10] <payonel> @lizzian i want
to upgrade to 18, but everyone is having issues
L342[14:22:43] <payonel> also, it isn't
supported by my corporate IT and the tools we use..so...i'll be on
16 for a while
L343[14:23:01] <Lizzian> i
haven't yet tried doing an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04
<Lizzian> i
haven't yet tried doing an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04L344[14:23:23] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> is still on 12
L345[14:23:35] <Lizzian>
and i think 16.04 lts goes for another few years yet
<Lizzian>
and i think 16.04 lts goes for another few years yetL346[14:23:38] <Lizzian>
wow
<Lizzian>
wowL347[14:25:14] ⇦
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L349[14:34:03] <Joco223>
There is an advantage with my floppy raid over hdd raid
<Joco223>
There is an advantage with my floppy raid over hdd raidL350[14:34:14] <Joco223>
You can have files as big as the whole raid
<Joco223>
You can have files as big as the whole raidL351[14:34:21] <Joco223> So
more than 12MBq
<Joco223> So
more than 12MBqL352[14:34:26] <Joco223>
12MB*
<Joco223>
12MB*L353[14:35:16] <Joco223> I
don't know what would i store larger than 12MB but its a cool
feature
<Joco223> I
don't know what would i store larger than 12MB but its a cool
featureL354[14:42:00] <Joco223> By
the way
<Joco223> By
the wayL355[14:42:20] <Joco223>
IRL, why do you lose all data in a RAID if one drive is
removed/dies?
<Joco223>
IRL, why do you lose all data in a RAID if one drive is
removed/dies?L356[14:42:56] <AmandaC> That only happens
for one configuration of RAID
L357[14:43:05] <AmandaC> IDK which one
though
L358[14:43:20] <AmandaC> others can
tolerate at least one drive failing
L359[14:43:31] <Joco223>
Raid 1 i think?
<Joco223>
Raid 1 i think?L360[14:43:47] <Joco223>
Where you have multiple drives but they are seen by OS as one
<Joco223>
Where you have multiple drives but they are seen by OS as oneL361[14:43:50] <AmandaC> and the reason is
no duplicaiton of data
L362[14:44:02] <Joco223>
Raid 0 actually
<Joco223>
Raid 0 actuallyL363[14:44:35] <Joco223>
But if all data of a text file for example is on drive 1, what does
dead drive 2 have with it?
<Joco223>
But if all data of a text file for example is on drive 1, what does
dead drive 2 have with it?L364[14:45:04] <ben_mkiv> thats only a
issue on raid0
L365[14:45:14] <AmandaC> because the data
isn't segmented into the idividual drives, they're treated as a
large single drive all arrached to the end of eachother
L366[14:45:58] <ben_mkiv> but afaik for
raid0 almost everything is lost if a drive fails
L367[14:46:08] <Joco223> So
files get split up among the drives?
<Joco223> So
files get split up among the drives?L368[14:46:10] <ben_mkiv> as it splits
files to all disks
L369[14:46:14] <ben_mkiv> yes
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L373[14:51:10] <Joco223> If
i put a floppy into a disk drive
<Joco223> If
i put a floppy into a disk driveL374[14:51:36] <Joco223>
And do os.sleep(0), will the unmanaged mode floppy in it be
available as component.drive?
<Joco223>
And do os.sleep(0), will the unmanaged mode floppy in it be
available as component.drive?L375[14:52:12] <Joco223>
Since i tried without the sleep and it didn't work
<Joco223>
Since i tried without the sleep and it didn't workL376[14:52:28] <Joco223>
0.1 works but haven't tried smaller amount
<Joco223>
0.1 works but haven't tried smaller amountL377[14:54:11] <payonel> @Joco223 are you
running the openos shell?
L378[14:54:26] <Joco223> I
am running openos
<Joco223> I
am running openosL379[14:54:36] <payonel> then no sleep
should be necessary. that is odd
L380[14:54:52] <Joco223> I
use a transposer to put the floppy into the drive
<Joco223> I
use a transposer to put the floppy into the driveL381[14:55:03] <payonel> unrelated
L382[14:55:15] <Joco223> As
i said, without sleep it says no primary component drive
available
<Joco223> As
i said, without sleep it says no primary component drive
availableL383[14:55:21] <payonel> i
understand
L384[14:55:42] <payonel> what version of
openos?
L385[14:55:42] <Joco223> I
guess with sleep it can switch and do its stuff
<Joco223> I
guess with sleep it can switch and do its stuffL386[14:55:51] <payonel> it does so
always
L387[14:56:01] <payonel> that's how i
built openos
L388[14:56:10] <payonel> it is just doing
its thing, behind the scenes already
L389[14:56:37] <Joco223>
The one that comes with latest version of OC
<Joco223>
The one that comes with latest version of OCL390[14:56:43] <Joco223> So
i suppose the newest
<Joco223> So
i suppose the newestL391[14:56:48] <Joco223>
Not on pc currently
<Joco223>
Not on pc currentlyL392[14:56:49] <payonel> i'll want to
investigate
L393[14:56:52] <Joco223> So
i can't check
<Joco223> So
i can't checkL394[14:56:56] <payonel> no worries
L395[14:57:02] <payonel> i'll test
tonight
L396[14:57:03] <payonel> thanks
L397[14:57:05] <Joco223> I
will tell you which one it is when i can
<Joco223> I
will tell you which one it is when i canL398[14:57:08] <Joco223> No
problem
<Joco223> No
problemL399[14:57:11] <payonel> it's okay
L400[14:57:20] <payonel> you're not
running some early 2016 version :)
L401[14:57:29] <payonel> that's the main
point of the question
L402[14:57:33] <Joco223>
Nah :b
<Joco223>
Nah :bL403[14:58:14] <payonel> anyways, in the
lua shell, feel free to run:
L404[14:58:19] <Joco223> My
guess was that it needs some os.sleep in my program to load a new
component
<Joco223> My
guess was that it needs some os.sleep in my program to load a new
componentL405[14:58:25] <payonel>
event.pull("component_available")
L406[14:58:36] <payonel> oh youre NOT
running the shell?
L407[14:58:46] <payonel> you see, my
questions are specific and important
L408[14:58:49] <payonel> :)
L409[14:58:53] <Joco223>
Wait
<Joco223>
WaitL410[14:58:57] <payonel> youre running a
user program?
L411[14:59:02] <Joco223>
Yes
<Joco223>
YesL412[14:59:09] <payonel> ah, that is
why
L413[14:59:19] <payonel> yes, you program
must yield to the system for it to handle events
L414[14:59:21] <Joco223>
Sorry for confusion
<Joco223>
Sorry for confusionL415[14:59:32] <payonel> that is precisely
why i asked if youre in the shell
L416[14:59:45] <payonel> <+payonel>
@Joco223 are you running the openos shell?
L417[14:59:56] <Joco223>
Yeah i see
<Joco223>
Yeah i seeL418[15:00:16] <payonel> in your user
program, yes, you must yield to the system for events to be
processed
L419[15:00:32] <Joco223> So
os.sleep(0) would work since it just needs to yield
<Joco223> So
os.sleep(0) would work since it just needs to yieldL420[15:00:50] <payonel> include, and not
limited to, component_added, which populates the
```component.drive``` for example
L421[15:01:06] <Joco223>
Thanks
<Joco223>
ThanksL422[15:01:10] <payonel> yes, though sleep
is slightly overkill? but not an important detail
L423[15:01:23] <payonel> anything that is
basically `computer.pullSignal(0)` will work
L424[15:01:32] <payonel> which is called
by os.sleep
L425[15:02:07] <payonel> event.pull,
os.sleep, etc .. all call computer.pullSignal
L426[15:02:15] <payonel> os.sleep(0) is
sufficient
L427[15:02:47] <Joco223>
Cool
<Joco223>
CoolL428[15:02:55] <payonel> in fact... i've
spent a long time in kernel space of openos, so i look at certain
methods with a different perspective
L429[15:03:15] <payonel> for you, a user,
i do recommend os.sleep(0) for your typical
yield-per-main-program-loop
L430[15:03:47] <payonel> if you are ever
expecting to process your own signals, note that os.sleep will hide
signals from your program (it'll toss them before you see
them)
L431[15:07:41] <Joco223> I
have used my own signals and how i do it is do event.pull on the
expecting one and computer.pushSignal followed by os.sleep(0) on
the sending program and it has worked so far
<Joco223> I
have used my own signals and how i do it is do event.pull on the
expecting one and computer.pushSignal followed by os.sleep(0) on
the sending program and it has worked so farL432[15:11:38] <payonel> if you are
dealing with signals, you shouldn't be using os.sleep
L433[15:11:42] <payonel> just as a general
rule
L434[15:12:09] <payonel> btw, event.push
== computer.pushSignal
L435[15:12:29] <payonel> if you want to
"sleep", i recommend using timeouts in your pull
L436[15:12:38] <payonel> e.g.
event.pull(0)
L437[15:13:19] <payonel> if your program
cares about signals, and you use os.sleep, and a signal occurs
during the time os.sleep is running, you'll not see that
signal
L438[15:13:22] <Joco223> I
just used sleep for the child program to yield
<Joco223> I
just used sleep for the child program to yieldL439[15:13:51] <Joco223>
But i will change it for event.pull(0), that is a better one?
<Joco223>
But i will change it for event.pull(0), that is a better one?L440[15:14:12] <payonel> os.sleep calls
pull
L441[15:14:25] <payonel> but os.sleep also
discards the signals (not from the system, but from you)
L442[15:14:43] <payonel> os.sleep will
continue to yield until the time is met (the time you asked
for)
L443[15:15:10] <payonel> where as pull
returns when EITHER (a) the time has expired, or (b) a signal is
received
L444[15:18:48] <Joco223> I
learn something new every day
<Joco223> I
learn something new every dayL445[15:22:45] <Skye> does anyone here
know anything about PTC fuses and wire currents?
L446[15:31:04] <Kodos> I
forget, can you only rename the Security Door and Magnetic Swipe
thinger's signals, or the components, too
<Kodos> I
forget, can you only rename the Security Door and Magnetic Swipe
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L448[15:33:35] <Vexatos> @Forecaster, the
detour confirms that even in the far-off future, when humans are
ravaged by incurable diseases, IRC still exists
L449[15:33:53] <Forecaster>
yep
<Forecaster>
yepL450[15:34:13] <Vexatos> https://xkcd.com/1782/
L451[15:34:13] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name:
Team Chat Posted on: 1/6/2017
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L453[16:41:04] <Joco223>
payonel: Aparently os.sleep(0) is not enoguh for it to set the
drive as primary
<Joco223>
payonel: Aparently os.sleep(0) is not enoguh for it to set the
drive as primaryL454[16:41:10] <Joco223>
OpenOS 1.7.2
<Joco223>
OpenOS 1.7.2L455[16:42:06] <Joco223>
0.05 is enough tho
<Joco223>
0.05 is enough thoL456[16:50:16] <Michiyo> @Kodos, you can't
rename the signals from the door, it's the MagSwipe... something
else possibly, but it's just the signal
L457[16:52:11] <Michiyo>
TileEntityBiometricReader.java, TileEntityKeypadLock.java,
TileEntityMagReader.java
L458[16:52:22] <Michiyo> those are the
only files with the dynamic signal name stuff
L459[16:52:35] <AmandaC> %choose watch or
read
L460[16:52:35] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
read
L461[16:53:16] <Michiyo> ToDo: Make
MichiBot reply with "Why not both" or "Why not all
(n)"
L462[16:58:04] <Forecaster>
or "I'm 40% [random choice]"
<Forecaster>
or "I'm 40% [random choice]"L463[16:58:08] <Forecaster>
:D
<Forecaster>
:DL464[16:58:16] <Michiyo> yes!
L465[17:57:48] ⇦
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L466[20:16:23] <AmandaC> %tell Inari sora
no method was nice
L467[20:16:23] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L468[20:38:12] <AmandaC> %choose ep14? or
ep14!
L469[20:38:12] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
ep14!
L470[20:38:17] <AmandaC> Right
L471[20:40:53] <Izaya> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Valve-Steam-Play-Proton-Linux
L472[20:41:33] <Izaya> Valve *was* funding
DXVK
L473[20:42:05] <Izaya> also good morning
AmandaC when I got up earlier it was onluy for a moment
L474[20:45:29] <Izaya> %tell Luca I assume
you're Luca_S on the forums, your BIOS looks nice
L475[20:45:29] <MichiBot> Izaya: Luca will
be notified of this message when next seen.
L476[20:47:53] <AmandaC> Good call,
MichiBot , that was adorable
L477[20:48:06] <AmandaC> Short, but
adorable
L478[20:51:31] <AmandaC> Izaya: ah, have
nice dreams at least?
L479[20:51:59] <Izaya> Don't remember any,
but at least I got plenty of sleep.
L480[20:52:59] <AmandaC> Haha
L481[20:53:17] <AmandaC> And wow, that
proton thing, really came from left field
L482[20:53:44] <Izaya> Yeah
L483[20:53:50] <Izaya> There were rumors
like
L484[20:53:52] <Izaya> two days ago
L485[20:53:55] <Izaya> and then BAM it's a
thingg
L486[20:54:02] <Izaya> Valve really kept
it under wraps
L487[20:54:50] <Izaya> but then there's
bomshells like
L488[20:54:52] <Izaya> "The source
repository does confirm that DXVK is being used for the Direct3D on
Vulkan support and that they have been employing its developer,
among other recent engagements. "
L489[20:54:53] <AmandaC> Never expected
steam to actually try distributing windows games like that, figured
they'd be too cautious of Microsoft retaliation, though ms has been
throwing them under the bus so much lately, I guess it was only a
matter of time
L490[20:55:28] <CompanionCube> wait
L491[20:55:31] <CompanionCube> it's an
actual thing?
L492[20:55:33] <CompanionCube>
awesome.
L493[20:55:56] <AmandaC> (lots of those
new headline "game apis" Microsoft has been making are
restricted to only working with apps signed by the Microsoft
store)
L494[20:56:15] <CompanionCube> maybe this
will get me to enable vulkan support
L495[20:56:29] <AmandaC> Such as the
kernel level memory protection
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L497[20:56:56] <Izaya> is there anything
notable on the MS store that isn't first-party?
L498[20:57:01] <CompanionCube> (mesa has a
pending update *anyway*, might be a very good time for it)
L499[20:57:33] <AmandaC> Not that I know
of, Izaya , but I'll be honest -- haven't looked in awhile
L500[20:57:54] *
Izaya nods
L501[20:58:07] <Izaya> The only remotely
interesting thing I can think of is the AoE 1 rewrite
L502[20:58:22] <Izaya> which is, so far,
the only reason I have for switching to Windows 10
L503[20:58:27] <AmandaC> Heh
L504[20:58:42] <Izaya> but I can just run
the original in an 800x600 window under WINE so they'll have to try
harder than that
L505[20:58:54] <AmandaC> Isn't there an
oss reimplemtatiom of the engine also?
L506[20:59:02] <AmandaC> Openaoe or
something?
L507[20:59:10] <Izaya> yeah
L508[20:59:14] <Izaya> it's ... not there
yet
L509[20:59:16] <Izaya> one day
L510[20:59:26] <Izaya> OpenRCT2 is pretty
solid, and OpenTTD is great though
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L512[21:00:12] <AmandaC> I'm curious how
much publisher / developer involvement happens with the proton
thing, too
L513[21:00:51] <AmandaC> Eg, are they just
taking the windows depots and shipping them in a box with proton,
or does the developer have to do something to enable ot
L514[21:05:22] <Wuerfel_21>
Nope, no developer involvement needed
<Wuerfel_21>
Nope, no developer involvement neededL515[21:06:32] <Izaya> is it developer
involvement optional?
L516[21:06:54] <Izaya> it'd be nice if
they could mark their product as "works under proton" and
then have it shipped
L517[21:07:04] <Wuerfel_21>
They have an item on their faq that's more or less "I'm a dev
and you markzort my garme as compatible, do i need to support the
GNUtards?", to which the answer is "no, tell them to
bother steam support"
<Wuerfel_21>
They have an item on their faq that's more or less "I'm a dev
and you markzort my garme as compatible, do i need to support the
GNUtards?", to which the answer is "no, tell them to
bother steam support"L518[21:07:39] <Wuerfel_21>
I guess you could mark it yourself
<Wuerfel_21>
I guess you could mark it yourselfL519[21:07:56] <CompanionCube> yay
L520[21:08:12] <CompanionCube> i'll be
able to more easily play the bits of my library that aren't linux
native
L521[21:08:21] <CompanionCube> (even if
most of the stuff i've played is)
L522[21:09:28] <Izaya> >DDLC is on the
list
L523[21:09:50] <Izaya> that's a ren'py
game wouldn't it be easier to just copy the data to the native
engine
L524[21:10:29] <Wuerfel_21>
DDLC has no native linux support despite being written in
python?
<Wuerfel_21>
DDLC has no native linux support despite being written in
python?L525[21:10:43] <Izaya> developers are
lazy
L526[21:11:04] <Izaya> it's like a 1.5%
market on Steam
L527[21:12:18] <Kleadron> i
mean
<Kleadron> i
meanL528[21:12:27] <Kleadron>
most of the people who own computers use windows
<Kleadron>
most of the people who own computers use windowsL529[21:12:35] <Kleadron>
its like a 90 percent market share
<Kleadron>
its like a 90 percent market shareL530[21:12:42] <Kleadron>
so they are obviously going to target windows
<Kleadron>
so they are obviously going to target windowsL531[21:12:45] *
Izaya nods
L532[21:12:57] <Izaya> But Windows is
spiralling downwards.
L533[21:13:36] <Wuerfel_21>
There am i, thinking how i could write a game to fit in 64 MB ram
to even run on potatos that were cleansed by saint ignucious
himself
<Wuerfel_21>
There am i, thinking how i could write a game to fit in 64 MB ram
to even run on potatos that were cleansed by saint ignucious
himselfL534[21:14:50] *
Izaya laughs in freetard
L535[21:14:52] <Izaya> didn't you
hear
L536[21:14:55] <Izaya> we use core 2 duos
now
L537[21:15:01] <Izaya> and like, 8GB of
DDR2
L538[21:16:17] <Kleadron> i
think the reason why modern apps like to hog more memory is because
developers have a lot more free real estate to work with so they
dont care about optimization as much
<Kleadron> i
think the reason why modern apps like to hog more memory is because
developers have a lot more free real estate to work with so they
dont care about optimization as muchL539[21:16:33] <Kleadron>
well most apps
<Kleadron>
well most appsL540[21:16:41] *
Izaya nods
L541[21:16:46] <Izaya> For example,
Discord
L542[21:16:55] <Izaya> A program that
should only take a few MB of memory will happily use 4GB
L543[21:17:14] <Izaya> But it helps that
it's running in Chrome which is memory-hungry without running
anything
L544[21:17:16] <Wuerfel_21>
Developers should be forced to test their stuff on the oldest and
crappiest HW that is reasonable
<Wuerfel_21>
Developers should be forced to test their stuff on the oldest and
crappiest HW that is reasonableL545[21:17:21] <Izaya> l a z y
L546[21:17:23] <Kleadron>
its sitting in the background using 48 megabytes of memory for
me
<Kleadron>
its sitting in the background using 48 megabytes of memory for
meL547[21:17:32] <Izaya> sure
L548[21:17:40] <Kleadron>
oh wait theres two proccesses
<Kleadron>
oh wait theres two proccessesL549[21:17:50] <Kleadron>
three*
<Kleadron>
three*L550[21:17:52] <AmandaC> @wuerfel_21 I
mean, I wouldn't paraphrase it like I'm having a stroke like that,
but yeah that's kinda what they're saying
L551[21:18:37] <Wuerfel_21>
Lol
<Wuerfel_21>
LolL552[21:18:43] <Kleadron> i
bet if you did a source port of super mario 64 to a modern
operating system it would use barely any ram
<Kleadron> i
bet if you did a source port of super mario 64 to a modern
operating system it would use barely any ramL553[21:19:11] <Wuerfel_21>
ZDoom needs a bunch of RAM
<Wuerfel_21>
ZDoom needs a bunch of RAML554[21:19:51] <AmandaC> You'd probably
use much more RAM just loading glibc, x11/Wayland
L555[21:19:54] <Wuerfel_21>
Because everything that was hardcoded turned into ZScript. A wizard
did it
<Wuerfel_21>
Because everything that was hardcoded turned into ZScript. A wizard
did itL556[21:20:27] *
Izaya points at OpenArena
L557[21:20:32] <Izaya> for what it is it
uses fuck all RAM
L558[21:20:42] <Izaya> and runs on a
shitty 2007 netbook with half a gig of memory
L559[21:20:45] <Izaya> at 60FPS+
L560[21:20:59] <Kleadron>
the reason why zdoom needs a lot of ram is because thats the ram
needed for the entire system, not the game itself
<Kleadron>
the reason why zdoom needs a lot of ram is because thats the ram
needed for the entire system, not the game itselfL561[21:21:23] <Kleadron>
if it said the amount of ram that it actualy needed that would
probably confuse some people
<Kleadron>
if it said the amount of ram that it actualy needed that would
probably confuse some peopleL562[21:22:58] <Wuerfel_21>
ZDoom still doesn't use that much
<Wuerfel_21>
ZDoom still doesn't use that muchL563[21:23:18] <Izaya> how much memory
does zdoom use
L564[21:23:28] *
Izaya always used chocolate doom
L565[21:23:48] <Wuerfel_21>
Unless you load crazy WAD files into it that make FPS drop like a
hot potato ~~ZDCMP2.wad~~
<Wuerfel_21>
Unless you load crazy WAD files into it that make FPS drop like a
hot potato ~~ZDCMP2.wad~~L566[21:24:25] <Wuerfel_21>
I don't know, prob. varies between SW and GL renderer
<Wuerfel_21>
I don't know, prob. varies between SW and GL rendererL567[21:25:22] <Wuerfel_21>
I think it was some 128MB at some point? I don't remember
<Wuerfel_21>
I think it was some 128MB at some point? I don't rememberL568[21:25:23] <Wuerfel_21>
I think it was some 128MB at some point? I don't remember
<Wuerfel_21>
I think it was some 128MB at some point? I don't rememberL569[21:26:33] <Izaya> that's a fair
bit
L570[21:28:03] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1534893233455.jpg
L571[21:30:49] <AmandaC> Don't worry,
that'll never happen with their phones. It's much more lucrative to
make the entire pinout and wire protocol different every other
model
L572[21:32:37] <AmandaC> Anyway, guess
I'll sleep. Night nerds
L573[21:32:44] <Izaya> o/ sleep well
L574[21:39:26] <Izaya> >While Wine and
Proton work on macOS, there are no plans to support the new Steam
Play functionality on macOS at the moment.
L575[21:39:34] <Izaya> soon:
L576[21:39:50] <Izaya> - Native OS X Steam
stuff dies out
L577[21:40:03] <Izaya> - OpenGL is removed
from OS X
L578[21:40:25] <Izaya> - Games on OS X run
under either WINE/DXVK via Steam or mkLinux
L579[21:44:23] <ba7888b72413a16b> does
minecraft run on haiku
L580[21:44:32] <Izaya> no
L581[21:44:45] <ba7888b72413a16b> you have
access to minetest at least, right?
L582[21:44:51] <Izaya> not presently
L583[21:44:59] <Izaya> no hardware 3D
acceleration
L584[21:46:41] <Izaya> apparently there's
some bugs in SDL preventing stuff like that working also
L585[21:46:48] <Izaya> mouse-related
L586[21:47:02] <Izaya> it'll happen
eventually, but probably more like Beta 2 or Release 1
L587[21:47:57] <Izaya> in other news that
drive that failed
L588[21:48:01] <Izaya> it's working
again
L589[21:48:16] <Izaya> for how long we'll
have to wait and see
L590[21:48:22] <Izaya> but it's not making
clicking noises
L591[21:48:25] <ba7888b72413a16b>
>implying release 1 will ever happen
L592[21:48:35] <Izaya> beta 1 is
happening
L593[21:48:40] <ba7888b72413a16b> but not
release1
L594[21:48:40] <Izaya> I never thought I'd
see that
L595[21:48:45] <ba7888b72413a16b> beta 1
plans are happening
L596[21:48:47] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
isn't mklinux dead?
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L598[21:48:51] <ba7888b72413a16b>
plans
L599[21:48:51] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
yes
L600[21:48:52] <ba7888b72413a16b> :P
L601[21:48:54] <Izaya> hence my
point
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L605[21:51:07] <Izaya> something has gone
wrong https://i.imgur.com/gawDiur.png
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L608[22:08:40] <CompanionCube> the world
has a new bad license to join the list
L609[22:08:56] <CompanionCube> https://redislabs.com/community/commons-clause/
at least it doesn't affect the redis core i guess?
L610[22:11:20] <ben_mkiv> https://github.com/CoFH/ThermalCultivation/blob/1.12/README.md
thats the only legit license
L611[22:13:59] <Izaya> There's a reason I
don't use CoFH mods
L612[22:24:50] <Izaya> >4 files failed
to verify
L613[22:24:57] <Izaya> I guess that HDD is
pretty much dead
L614[22:25:21] <CompanionCube> if only you
had something you warn you ahead of time
L615[22:26:08] <ben_mkiv> that would be
way to S.M.A.R.T....
L616[22:26:22] <CompanionCube> i wasn't
even talking about smart
L617[22:26:30] <CompanionCube> izaya knows
what i was talking about :P
L618[22:26:39] *
Izaya clicks
L619[22:27:16] <Izaya> it still works like
half the time
L620[22:42:42] <ben_mkiv> and then i
crafter 128 ae2 drives... -.-
L621[22:42:47] <ben_mkiv> crafted*
L622[23:16:30] <payonel> @status
@Joco223
L623[23:16:31] <Discord>
Joco223 is currently OFFLINE
<Discord>
Joco223 is currently OFFLINEL624[23:16:58] <payonel> Mimiru: can i
leave a msg for a discord handle?
L625[23:17:52] <ben_mkiv> try it, i can
sent him a offline message on discord as backup
L626[23:19:03] <ben_mkiv> send*
L627[23:20:06] <payonel> %tell @Joco223
with regards to os.sleep(0) being insufficient for your signal.
There is nothing wrong with sleeping for 0 vs .5 seconds to get
signals processed. You should design your process to continually
yield to allow the system to process signals at its own
schedule
L628[23:20:07] <MichiBot> payonel:
@Joco223 will be notified of this message when next seen.
L629[23:20:39] <ben_mkiv> did sent it on
discord
L630[23:21:02] <payonel> %tell @Joco223 in
other words, yield (pull(0)) continuously, and respond to events
and changes dynamically, dont assume you have no more signals to
process simply because you called os.sleep once
L631[23:21:02] <MichiBot> payonel:
@Joco223 will be notified of this message when next seen.
L632[23:21:07] *
payonel is done
L633[23:21:20] <ben_mkiv> ok :)
L634[23:21:30] <payonel> and does that
makes any sense? :|
L635[23:21:50] <ben_mkiv> i guess i got
it
L636[23:21:55] <payonel> heh
L637[23:21:55] <ben_mkiv> and that means
even a toast should get it
L638[23:21:58] <ben_mkiv> xD
L639[23:22:09] <Mimiru> Yes... it sent to
discord, but it's not going to notify them when they talk..
L640[23:22:14] <Mimiru> so a simple @
would have worked better
L641[23:22:18] <Mimiru> :P
L642[23:22:22] *
payonel @'s Mimiru
L643[23:22:38] <ben_mkiv> yea right, he
will be notified that he was mentioned
L644[23:22:42] <ben_mkiv> and can jump to
the messages
L645[23:22:53] <payonel> ben_mkiv:
signal-based or async programming is a paradigm shift
L646[23:23:06] <payonel> this isn't the
first time someone has been confused about programming with signals
in openos
L647[23:23:19] <payonel> but i still
haven't found the right way to teach it
L648[23:23:25] <ben_mkiv> so they are
"cached" until they got pulled?
L649[23:23:32] <payonel> yeah, there is a
queue
L650[23:23:50] <ben_mkiv> sounds good, so
they wont get lost
L651[23:28:05] <ben_mkiv> btw. mimiru
thats how OpenSecurity should/could check for protected blocks
=> https://github.com/McJtyMods/RFTools/blob/1.12/src/main/java/mcjty/rftools/blocks/blockprotector/BlockProtectorEventHandlers.java
L652[23:28:21] <ben_mkiv> global list of
all security terminals which is checked on block break
L653[23:28:44] <Izaya> oh cool https://i.4cdn.org/g/1534910644731.png
L654[23:29:08] <Mimiru> K, I expect the PR
within the week. :P
L655[23:29:27] <ben_mkiv> would you accept
a PR which requires old terminals to be replaced, to get into that
list?
L656[23:29:31] <ben_mkiv> that would make
a patch pretty easy
L657[23:32:59] <Mimiru> Well, if you do
that couldn't you just toss a check in the update() method?
L658[23:33:01] <Mimiru> but.. sure
L659[23:33:02] <Mimiru> I guess
L660[23:33:19] <ben_mkiv> so that old ones
get added when they are loaded?
L661[23:33:23] <ben_mkiv> sounds
good
L662[23:35:18] <Izaya> thoughts on
replacing a GPU cooler with a CPU tower cooler?
L663[23:35:55] <ben_mkiv> i would be
concerned that its bending the pcb to much
L664[23:36:13] <Izaya> I'm sure I could
prop it up on the bottom of my case
L665[23:36:18] <Izaya> PSU
L666[23:36:23] <Izaya> s at the top, not
the bottom in mine
L667[23:37:10] <Izaya> I may not need to
prop it up
L668[23:37:24] <Izaya> Probably more like
need to shave a few mm off the top
L669[23:37:59] <ben_mkiv> do it.. for
science
L670[23:38:11] <Izaya> maybe I should try
it with my 690 first
L671[23:38:14] <Izaya> I don't actively
use that
L672[23:40:47] <Izaya> "Like someone
took Mad Max and poured a bucket of pink paint on it."
L673[23:43:33] <Saphire> payonel: aa
thanks o.o
L674[23:48:05] <Mimiru> ben_mkiv, just
remember, range is configurable per terminal
L675[23:49:46] <ben_mkiv> ok
L676[23:49:55] <ben_mkiv> i guess the
current method checks power and range already?
L677[23:50:27] <ben_mkiv> so i'll keep
that part of code and just replace the search method for terminals
within the maxrange
L678[23:51:34] <ben_mkiv> but its really
worth a patch, specially if using miners/quarries or mining tools
with AOE
L679[23:51:44] <ben_mkiv> already noticed
huge difference when patching the event out xD
L680[23:57:49] <Mimiru> I was about to
tell you to just disable the option.
L681[23:57:59] <Mimiru> Then I realized,
the event is looking at the wrong variable for that
L682[23:59:00] <ben_mkiv> well if i touch
it im gonna test if it works as expected by users