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L1[00:03:11] <beesnees2> Izaya: is kittenOS's graphical system anything like wayland
L2[00:03:14] <beesnees2> or x11
L3[00:03:22] <Izaya> uuhm
L4[00:03:25] <beesnees2> maybe I should just install it
L5[00:03:32] <beesnees2> and see
L6[00:03:58] <Izaya> probably more like wayland than X11 but I'd say it's more like the Haiku Interface Kit than either of those
L7[00:04:17] <Izaya> that is to say, tightly integrated into the OS and not network capable
L8[00:10:18] <Kodos> I forget, was SecureOS broken, or just abandoned but functional
L9[00:10:33] <Izaya> probably somewhere in between at this point
L10[00:10:41] <Izaya> the sha256 lib works though I think
L11[00:14:29] <beesnees2> how do I install KOS NEO
L12[00:15:25] <Izaya> download the installer from the github releases page
L13[00:15:44] <Izaya> stick it on the disk you want to install it to as init.lua
L14[00:15:46] <beesnees2> I'm booted into the installer
L15[00:15:56] <beesnees2> maybe I should keep reading the docs
L16[00:15:58] <Izaya> then boot from it and it's done
L17[00:16:21] <beesnees2> oh, it installed it on the disk
L18[00:16:59] <beesnees2> now how do I use it
L19[00:17:05] <beesnees2> :P
L20[00:17:07] <Izaya> right click to get a menu
L21[00:19:09] * beesnees2 just wants a tiling WM with terminals
L22[00:19:17] <beesnees2> though this is impressive
L23[00:19:29] <Izaya> note that it'll run on a machine with a single stick of T1 memory
L24[00:19:31] <Izaya> I think that's p cool
L25[00:25:06] <beesnees2> installing minitel on openos instead
L26[00:28:43] <Izaya> I assume you know where the docs are and such?
L27[00:29:41] <beesnees2> yeah
L28[00:29:46] <Izaya> aight cool
L29[00:29:54] <Izaya> if there's anything I can improve do tell me
L30[00:30:39] <Izaya> I'll be a bit busy over the next few days but I'll note it down
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L32[00:33:48] <beesnees2> how should I connect up relays
L33[00:34:01] <beesnees2> just wing it because routing will figure itself out?
L34[00:34:27] <Izaya> it'll be mostly fine
L35[00:34:41] <Izaya> computers receiving messages from wireless relays confuses them a bit is the only thing I can think of
L36[00:36:22] <beesnees2> or should I just be replacing certain high load relays with computers
L37[00:36:31] <Izaya> nah
L38[00:36:38] <beesnees2> and enable `route`
L39[00:36:40] <Izaya> a max spec relay can push a lot more packets than a computer, I think
L40[00:37:01] <Izaya> though I do need to do some testing
L41[00:37:17] <Izaya> %remindme 24h test whether a relay or computer is faster
L42[00:37:17] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "test whether a relay or computer is faster" at 08/21/2018 12:37:16 AM
L43[00:38:52] <Izaya> from that discussion about GPU speeds on the forums apparently component calls may or may not be faster than I think
L44[00:39:14] <Izaya> I *thought* that computers could only do 20packets/sec because they can only do component calls once per tick but apparently not
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L49[00:53:34] <Kodos> Bah, starting to remember how much I hate making new characters on MMOs
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L51[01:01:14] <beesnees2> Izaya: what kind of throughput do you expect minitel to have with default config
L52[01:01:30] <Izaya> Depends on packet type
L53[01:02:00] <Izaya> Directly connected unreliable packets should be the same as sending packets normally
L54[01:02:13] <Izaya> Reliable ones wait for an acknowledgement before sending the next
L55[01:02:35] <Izaya> So about half that
L56[01:02:51] <beesnees2> how similar is it to TCP's congestion control
L57[01:04:02] <Izaya> Much dumber.
L58[01:04:21] <Izaya> no sliding window
L59[01:04:40] <Izaya> just data and acknowledgement packets
L60[01:05:49] <Izaya> Just had a fun idea on how I can make it possibly get better throughput on a congested network though
L61[01:10:03] <beesnees2> can I use minitel without establishing connections?
L62[01:10:09] <Izaya> Yeah
L63[01:10:14] <beesnees2> there's minitel.send but no minitel.receiveOnePacket(port)
L64[01:10:23] <Izaya> why would there be?
L65[01:10:31] <Izaya> That's why the event library exists :p
L66[01:10:34] <beesnees2> ah
L67[01:10:39] <Izaya> you'll get net_msg events
L68[01:10:43] <beesnees2> so it works the way modem works
L69[01:10:47] <beesnees2> ok
L70[01:10:53] <Izaya> net_msg, from, port, data
L71[01:11:41] <Izaya> Hm, I'll need to add that to the docs
L72[01:15:21] <beesnees2> not sure what the difference between rsend and send is
L73[01:15:32] <beesnees2> is it just that rsend has a blocking option?
L74[01:15:42] <Forecaster> %loot
L75[01:15:43] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains a Shiny super super good fast screen drawing script! (10%)
L76[01:17:17] <Izaya> beesnees2: send can deal with data longer than the MTU
L77[01:17:30] <beesnees2> ah
L78[01:21:55] <beesnees2> hm, even if using computers in certain places instead of relays is slower, it should speed up stuff by preventing unnecessary traffic from going through relays
L79[01:22:02] <beesnees2> my network is basically a circle right now
L80[01:22:25] <beesnees2> well, it would be a circle if I completed it all the way around
L81[01:27:38] <Izaya> messages go through computers
L82[01:28:02] <Izaya> Only way to control that is using tiny wireless jumps or linked cards
L83[01:29:42] <beesnees2> oh yeah, hadn't thought about that problem
L84[01:30:56] <Izaya> You can do some stuff with microcontrollers but that might lead to lost packets.
L85[01:33:03] <Forecaster> http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?comic=082018
L86[01:33:12] <Forecaster> that would be a lot freakier in x-com
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L89[02:25:02] <Izaya> beesnees2: https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/tree/master/OpenOS#events now in the docs
L90[02:27:37] <beesnees2> I feel like a mod should just package up minitel support into a router block
L91[02:27:59] <Izaya> hehe
L92[02:28:21] <beesnees2> and firewall
L93[02:28:42] <Izaya> it'd be cool, that's for sure, but I don't know Java
L94[02:32:20] <Kleadron> i feel like i should read an entire book about lua so i understand things properly
L95[02:33:07] <Izaya> Programming In Lua is good
L96[02:34:23] <Izaya> The book, that is
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L98[02:36:03] <Mimiru> %pil
L99[02:36:04] <MichiBot> Mimiru: https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html#P1
L100[02:36:21] <Kodos> Izaya, which edition?'
L101[02:36:31] <Mimiru> The first edition is pretty helpful
L102[02:37:10] <Izaya> All of them
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L104[02:37:34] <ben_mkiv> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=43da0ccfabd3c07c76452bb2e6945393 my teammates are confused by the bluescreen
L105[02:37:36] <Izaya> First edition is free so I guess that one's the one I'm talking about :D
L106[02:38:28] <Izaya> ah yes, they'd be more likely to end up with a white-on-black screen in that situation
L107[02:38:45] <Izaya> penguin panic
L108[02:38:47] <ben_mkiv> yea, openos needs some kernel panic
L109[02:38:52] <Izaya> sounds like a game
L110[02:38:56] <Izaya> maybe I should make a game
L111[02:38:57] <ben_mkiv> lol
L112[02:39:12] <ben_mkiv> xD
L113[02:39:22] <ben_mkiv> actually that really sounds like a good game
L114[02:39:25] <ben_mkiv> so you better make a good game
L115[02:39:51] <Izaya> think I could do a good randomly generated platformer in 4k?
L116[02:40:25] <ben_mkiv> probably... make it exclusive for openos
L117[02:40:33] <ben_mkiv> when asies tweaks are in official builds
L118[02:40:43] <Izaya> eeeh the 4k is so it goes in an EEPROM
L119[02:40:51] <Izaya> but doing it on OpenOS would be simpler
L120[02:41:14] <ben_mkiv> well, 4k is a challenge...
L121[02:41:38] <Izaya> I'd prefer maintainable code
L122[02:42:10] <Izaya> we'll see
L123[02:43:55] <beesnees2> well this makes me sad
L124[02:43:57] <beesnees2> https://github.com/jonstoler/lua-toml
L125[02:44:02] <beesnees2> my favorite configuration format
L126[02:44:08] <beesnees2> only 0.4.0 spec is supported
L127[02:44:30] <ben_mkiv> who needs that when you can serialize tables?
L128[02:44:40] <Izaya> ^
L129[02:44:46] <Izaya> serialized lua tables are nice
L130[02:44:57] <beesnees2> they're not that nice
L131[02:45:07] <beesnees2> toml is better for config files
L132[02:45:11] <beesnees2> IMO
L133[02:45:25] <Izaya> they use toml for rust build things right?
L134[02:45:26] <ben_mkiv> well, i agree they are a pain to edit with a editor
L135[02:45:31] <beesnees2> Izaya: yeah
L136[02:45:37] <beesnees2> toml would map really well to lua
L137[02:46:23] <Izaya> I don't remember disliking it too much
L138[02:46:27] <Izaya> which is better than most formats
L139[02:46:55] <Izaya> less obnoxious than YAML
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L148[04:20:39] <Forecaster> %loot time
L149[04:20:39] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains porous black potion
L150[04:20:46] <Forecaster> %drink ^
L151[04:20:46] <MichiBot> Forecaster's toes turn invisible.
L152[04:20:53] <Forecaster> oh toes
L153[04:22:26] <Inari> %loot
L154[04:22:27] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains two lockpicks.
L155[04:22:30] <Inari> time?
L156[04:22:55] <Forecaster> time?
L157[04:22:59] <Forecaster> oh
L158[04:23:10] <Forecaster> it doesn't take any arguments :P
L159[04:23:17] <Forecaster> so you can write whatever you want after
L160[04:23:33] <Forecaster> so "loot time"
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L163[04:23:52] <Forecaster> %loot time is now
L164[04:23:53] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains a Shiny Clippy! (10%)
L165[04:23:59] <Forecaster> oh
L166[04:24:01] <Forecaster> oh dear
L167[04:24:09] <Corded> * <Forecaster> throws it into a vat of molten iron
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L169[04:37:57] <Kodos> %loot
L170[04:37:58] <MichiBot> Kodos: You get a loot box! It contains a brick.
L171[04:38:25] <Kodos> %shell beesnees2
L172[04:38:25] * MichiBot loads Bernie Sanders into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground near beesnees2, tiin57 and modmuss50. They each take 8, 7 and 6 splash damage respectively.
L173[04:53:52] <beesnees2> but I voted for bernie sanders :(
L174[04:54:12] <beesnees2> %shell Kodos
L175[04:54:12] * MichiBot loads a paperclip golem into a shell and fires it. It strikes Kodos. They take 13 damage. greaser|q and TheCryptek stood too close and take 7 and 5 damage respectively.
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L178[05:20:55] <Forecaster> I didn't vote :D
L179[05:35:04] <Inari> %loot phat loot
L180[05:35:04] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains a paperclip, big one.
L181[05:35:25] <Skye> Izaya: whut
L182[05:35:41] <Izaya> Huh?
L183[05:36:38] <Inari> %loot AmandaC
L184[05:36:38] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains a doorknob.
L185[05:38:55] <Lizzian> %loot
L186[05:38:55] <MichiBot> Lizzian: You get a loot box! It contains an empty soup can.
L187[05:39:21] <Lizzian> MichiBot likes her soup
L188[05:39:23] <Skye> Izaya: I was pinged
L189[06:08:29] <Izaya> Skye: Haiku Beta 1 by September 18
L190[06:08:48] <Skye> Shiny
L191[06:09:10] <Izaya> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/waddlesplash/2018-08-19_r1beta1_release_plans_-_at_last/
L192[06:21:26] <AmandaC> Inari: h-hey that's my door knob D:
L193[06:24:00] <Inari> AmandaC: Tehe, now you can't open the door to escape!
L194[06:24:19] <AmandaC> D: I
L195[06:27:40] <Forecaster> you can have one from my pile, I've collected a lot of them
L196[06:37:39] <AmandaC> %choose finish it or don't
L197[06:37:39] <MichiBot> AmandaC: finish it
L198[06:39:12] <Forecaster> Fatality!
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L201[06:59:50] <Forecaster> https://notalwaysright.com/brain-just-goes-ker-chunk/97801/
L202[06:59:59] <Forecaster> %inv add ker-chunker
L203[06:59:59] * MichiBot summons 'ker-chunker' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
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L205[07:20:49] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3kZw3QTWs
L206[07:20:50] <MichiBot> Inou-Battle wa Nichijou-kei no Naka de - "Give Lissun back" | length: 40s | Likes: 1,894 Dislikes: 15 Views: 214,940 | by KephinMeow | Published On 14/10/2014
L207[07:21:40] <ben_mkiv> is NSFW content allowed on github? xD
L208[07:22:28] <fingercomp> ben_mkiv: https://help.github.com/articles/github-community-guidelines/#what-is-not-allowed
L209[07:22:46] <Izaya> Is it explicitly not allowed?
L210[07:23:17] <ben_mkiv> just wondering because of some repo someone linked a while ago xD
L211[07:23:19] * Inari wonders why you ask
L212[07:23:24] <ben_mkiv> ^^
L213[07:23:25] <ben_mkiv> xD
L214[07:23:26] <Inari> What repo
L215[07:31:54] <Inari> Ugh
L216[07:32:04] <Inari> It's so hard to find interesting YT channels that don't invalidate themselves
L217[07:32:19] <ben_mkiv> just watch bibi
L218[07:32:38] <Inari> Sounds uninteresting
L219[07:33:15] <ben_mkiv> social engineering
L220[07:33:41] <Forecaster> what do you mean "invalidate themselves"
L221[07:34:57] <Inari> I watch 2 video about subjects I don't know a lot about and it seems good, then I see another video with some subject I do know something about (or at least a little more thant he other subjects) and the video either gets it completely wrong or makes many mistakes. So now I'm left with "Great, so I can't watch videos of it I don't know much about because I might learn wrong stuff"
L222[07:37:28] <Forecaster> watch them for the entertainment? :P
L223[07:38:49] <ben_mkiv> they wouldnt make youtube videos if they would understand that topic
L224[07:39:05] <Forecaster> what
L225[07:39:08] <ben_mkiv> what?
L226[07:39:22] <Forecaster> why wouldn't they make youtube videos?
L227[07:39:35] <ben_mkiv> you feel offended because of your railcraft series? xD
L228[07:40:12] <Forecaster> no, I don't understand your statement and want clarification
L229[07:41:12] <ben_mkiv> well it doesnt apply to all
L230[07:42:00] <ben_mkiv> but arent those who understand a topic still curious if they are right and fear to do false statements?
L231[07:43:57] <Forecaster> I have no idea what you're talking about
L232[07:44:42] <ben_mkiv> me neither
L233[07:44:55] <ben_mkiv> i should make a youtube video about that
L234[07:45:01] <Izaya> >talking about things you know
L235[07:45:04] <Izaya> doesn't sound fun
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L239[08:50:05] <Inari> %inv give MichiBot all-natural moon cheese
L240[08:50:06] <MichiBot> Inari: Unknown sub-command 'give' (Try: list, create (add), remove (rem, del), preserve (pre), unpreserve (unpre), count, favourite (fav))
L241[08:50:17] <Inari> %give MichiBot all-natural moon cheese
L242[08:50:17] * MichiBot accepts all-natural moon cheese and adds it to her inventory
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L245[08:53:57] <Inari> %pet Vexatos
L246[08:53:57] * MichiBot pets Vexatos with smonk. 8 health gained!
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L250[09:57:49] <Wuerfel_21> the frigg is this bouncer doing
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L253[10:17:27] <Mimiru> Whatever it wants @Wuerfel_21
L254[10:17:29] <Mimiru> Lol
L255[10:19:43] <Lizzian> That reminds me I need to update my bouncer
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L262[11:17:07] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466630472638660628/481134523510292480/unknown.png today in anime
L263[11:45:55] <payonel> Izaya: beesnees2: if you (or others) want to make a stripped down version of openos -- it would be reasonable to discuss your ideas with me
L264[11:46:11] <payonel> i can help lay out the core libs of openos, and why they are core, and what it would take to remove them
L265[11:47:43] <payonel> openos is quite minimal for boot. yes there is some bonus infrastructure in place to facilitate loading advanced libs later, but less than ppl would probably bet
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L270[12:20:46] <payonel> Inari: 'open link in browser' ... NOT MY MAIN MONITOR, yep ... inari linked some hot men in a sauna and i just opened that on my main monitor at work
L271[12:22:20] <Forecaster> why would you open an inari link at work to begin with
L272[12:22:46] <payonel> it's more exciting that way
L273[12:24:00] <Mobie> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/yobazugeme
L274[12:24:26] <payonel> Mobie: hi, i'm in irc and i dont see multilines very easily
L275[12:24:38] <payonel> i followed your link, and i've read it, but fyi, i'll read it better if you press enter after each line
L276[12:25:21] <payonel> os.execute doesn't "return" the output of ls, but rather the success of dispatching the command
L277[12:25:36] <payonel> if you want the output, you'll want to redirect or read from the stdout of that process
L278[12:25:44] <payonel> i recommend you use io.popen
L279[12:26:05] <payonel> and correct, you cannot send tables over a network, but you can send strings
L280[12:26:07] <payonel> you have 2 options
L281[12:26:28] <payonel> you can pass more parameters in your packet, or you can serialize your strings into a single param
L282[12:27:03] <Mobie> Alright, thanks!
L283[12:27:33] <Mobie> Making an SSH Client w/ server, works, just needed those 2 things.
L284[12:27:34] <payonel> e.g. local modem_packet_payload = "{'first string', 'second string'}" modem.send(modem_packet_payload) --- yes i'm omitting the other obvious send params for brevity
L285[12:28:47] <payonel> also fyi, io.popen will create a *stream* and attach it to your process' stdout
L286[12:28:54] <payonel> but that stream is NOT a tty stream
L287[12:29:16] <payonel> many/most programs behave different under non-tty streams
L288[12:29:39] <payonel> can you get around this? yes
L289[12:29:55] <payonel> you create a pty stream. it just takes a few extra steps to do this
L290[12:30:12] <payonel> hopefully, you dont care :)
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L293[12:30:51] <payonel> MichiBot: o/
L294[12:31:44] <Michiyo> :P
L295[12:31:53] <payonel> tab-complete
L296[12:31:55] <payonel> deal with it
L297[12:32:00] <Michiyo> Loaded log from Mon May 14 04:34:00 2018
L298[12:32:08] <Michiyo> Man.. it's been a while.
L299[12:32:17] <payonel> ha
L300[12:46:05] <Mobie> payonel how would I grab say the second index of that table? Since it's still a string, would I need to convert it into a table?
L301[12:46:41] <payonel> @Mobie on the receiving end?
L302[12:46:52] <Mobie> Yes.
L303[12:47:00] <payonel> deserialize it back to a table
L304[12:47:19] <payonel> see https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:serialization
L305[12:47:27] <Mobie> It's not serialized is it?
L306[12:47:32] <Mobie> The method you showed.
L307[12:47:48] <payonel> > <+payonel> you can pass more parameters in your packet, or you can serialize your strings into a single param
L308[13:01:00] <Inari> Why does Thunderbird have screen tearing
L309[13:01:22] <Forecaster> cuz it has the leet gpx
L310[13:05:22] <gamax92> Why must nvidia driver crash
L311[13:05:38] <Forecaster> cuz of the leet gpx
L312[13:05:39] <gamax92> but give you no way to figure out wtf happened
L313[13:10:24] <Mobie> Got working SSH in OpenOS c:
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L315[13:20:19] <Forecaster> %loot now please
L316[13:20:19] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains a Magic rowbot! (25%)
L317[13:20:35] <Corded> * <Forecaster> rows his bot out to sea
L318[13:20:39] <Corded> * <Forecaster> sinks
L319[13:23:15] <payonel> @Mobie: nice :)
L320[13:32:05] * Inari sticks AmandaC in a container and pushes it
L321[13:39:05] <Lizzian> %choose SE or Evey or mailserver
L322[13:39:05] <MichiBot> Lizzian: mailserver
L323[13:39:11] <Lizzian> hmm
L324[13:39:23] <Lizzian> okay
L325[14:00:34] <AmandaC> Inari: but now where you keep the keys is public info!
L326[14:07:06] <AmandaC> I'm not a stateless kitteh
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L331[14:42:05] <MCDanielLP> hi
L332[14:42:21] <Forecaster> %hello
L333[14:42:21] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L334[14:42:39] <MCDanielLP> jo was geht leute kommt auf /sämix.eu
L335[14:42:55] <Forecaster> english
L336[14:43:12] <MCDanielLP> hurensöhne
L337[14:43:19] <Forecaster> also no advertising please
L338[14:43:57] <MCDanielLP> FUCK YOU!!!!/////////////////////////
L339[14:44:08] <Forecaster> %ban MCDanielLP advertising
L340[14:44:18] <MCDanielLP> hi
L341[14:44:23] <Forecaster> %tban MCDanielLP 1h advertising
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L343[14:44:31] <Inari> What a nice person
L344[14:44:34] <gamax92> good person
L345[14:44:35] <Forecaster> very
L346[14:45:10] * Lizzy shakes head
L347[14:45:25] <Lizzy> hmm, need a name for my new mail server
L348[14:45:26] * Inari shakes hips
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L350[14:48:47] <Lizzy> random name generator to the rescue! my new mail server will be called Eleonora
L351[14:50:32] <Forecaster> \o/
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L356[15:26:01] <Forecaster> %loot
L357[15:26:01] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get a loot box! It contains an upside-down cross.
L358[15:26:30] <Corded> * <Forecaster> turns it sideways
L359[15:32:35] <AmandaC> [ stan gets summoned with his head crooked ]
L360[15:33:36] <Inari> Huh
L361[15:34:03] <Inari> corded doesn't support videos uploads
L362[15:34:24] <Inari> Or corded is just dead
L363[15:34:25] <Inari> Could also be
L364[15:34:43] <AmandaC> You killed her!
L365[15:34:44] <Inari> Oh nope
L366[15:34:45] <Inari> I'm just dumb
L367[15:35:05] <NotInari> When you finally steal your beloved's towel http://tinyurl.com/y8tyezlg
L368[15:37:12] * beesnees2 still can't get over Izaya using haikuOS as daily driver
L369[15:37:19] <beesnees2> what a nerd, amirite
L370[15:42:23] <AmandaC> %choose watch more or read
L371[15:42:23] <MichiBot> AmandaC: read
L372[15:42:28] <AmandaC> Hrm. Nah
L373[15:43:49] <AmandaC> Note to self: Look into what made feedreader go apeshit sending my laptop to a loadavg of 2
L374[15:44:23] <MichiBot> Timed ban of MCDanielLP Expired. Placed by: Forecaster
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L376[15:48:40] <logan2611> help my school blocks espernet
L377[15:48:52] <Michiyo> get and use a bouncer.
L378[15:48:54] <Joco223> OC doesn't support forge multi part on 1.12, right?
L379[15:48:54] <Forecaster> use a bouncer
L380[15:49:05] <Forecaster> @Joco223 correct
L381[15:49:14] <Joco223> Does that apply for 3d prints too?
L382[15:49:17] <beesnees2> %choose install a posix compliant, well supported GNU/Linux distribution like debian/gentoo or install HaikuOS
L383[15:49:17] <MichiBot> beesnees2: install HaikuOS
L384[15:49:20] <beesnees2> goddammit
L385[15:49:22] <Forecaster> probably
L386[15:49:40] <Joco223> So i wouldnt be able to cover cables with prints
L387[15:49:41] <Joco223> Hmmm
L388[15:52:24] <Izaya> beesnees2: max comf
L389[15:52:32] <Izaya> Beta 1 soon
L390[15:53:08] <beesnees2> if haikuOS actually does have its first stable release anytime soon
L391[15:53:10] <beesnees2> I promise you
L392[15:53:18] <beesnees2> I will install it on a VM and forget about it again
L393[15:53:52] <Izaya> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/waddlesplash/2018-08-19_r1beta1_release_plans_-_at_last/
L394[15:56:19] <beesnees2> in fact I'll install it on a VM and forget about it right now
L395[15:56:34] <beesnees2> what might have changed since I last did this 1.5 yrs ago
L396[15:56:36] <beesnees2> with nightly
L397[15:57:20] <beesnees2> did they ever give haiku OS a good command line? :^)
L398[15:57:50] <CompanionCube> it's POSIX compliant and they ported bash since forever?
L399[15:58:11] <beesnees2> I thought it isn't posix compliant
L400[15:58:21] <beesnees2> and that's why projects like libreoffice have a difficult time porting to it?
L401[15:59:11] <CompanionCube> beesnees2: I doubt that's specifically related to POSIX compliance
L402[15:59:16] <CompanionCube> but it's more general non-unixness
L403[15:59:29] <beesnees2> well yeah
L404[15:59:39] <beesnees2> a lot of POSIX compliance has gone to shit over the years
L405[15:59:48] <beesnees2> with OSes just doing whatever they want
L406[16:00:05] <beesnees2> doesn't mean a whole lot, when linux is still referred to as "unix-like"
L407[16:00:12] <CompanionCube> the network stack leaves something to be desired though: https://freeradical.zone/@tek/100583773163723577
L408[16:00:17] <CompanionCube> ...wait, wrong link
L409[16:00:21] <CompanionCube> https://sortix.org/os-test/
L410[16:01:01] <beesnees2> hm, I didn't think haiku OS actually comes with bash
L411[16:01:07] <beesnees2> so it's GNU/HaikuOS?
L412[16:01:14] <CompanionCube> doubtful
L413[16:01:54] <CompanionCube> because it has GNU tools does not a GNU userland make
L414[16:01:59] <beesnees2> now I'm confused how unix like this actually is
L415[16:02:06] <beesnees2> CompanionCube: lol yeah of course, I'm joking
L416[16:02:28] <beesnees2> although
L417[16:02:31] <beesnees2> it is of course 100% arbitrary
L418[16:02:53] <beesnees2> I should be calling my OS GNU/systemd/X11/Linux
L419[16:03:21] <CompanionCube> lol
L420[16:03:40] <CompanionCube> GNU/Linux is a better fit than GNU/HaikuOS
L421[16:04:12] <beesnees2> depends how much GNU haiku is really bringing in
L422[16:04:42] <beesnees2> like where does the `ls` binary come from?
L423[16:04:50] <beesnees2> haikuOS custom?
L424[16:08:22] <CompanionCube> i think gnu/haiku would be wrong because only parts of the *nix bits would be from e.g GNU
L425[16:10:22] <CompanionCube> so unless you view haiku only from the UNIX viewpoint (which would be missing the point of Haiku), the term's inaccurate
L426[16:10:49] <CompanionCube> Izaya: what do you think?
L427[16:13:02] <beesnees2> stop making me curious to inspect haikuOS myself, I could cancel this download at any moment
L428[16:14:12] <beesnees2> idk how I missed the terminal last time I tried it out in a VM and forgot about it
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L430[16:18:47] <beesnees2> too late, the live cd is booting
L431[16:19:21] <beesnees2> setting up partitions
L432[16:22:07] <Izaya> beesnees2: GNU compiler, mostly BSD tools
L433[16:24:27] <beesnees2> I'm retarded
L434[16:24:35] <beesnees2> how to confirm DriveSetup options
L435[16:24:43] <beesnees2> there's no "apply changes" or anything
L436[16:25:01] <Izaya> eyup
L437[16:25:25] <beesnees2> what, am I screwed? gonna have to use cfdisk on linux?
L438[16:25:30] <beesnees2> lol
L439[16:25:47] <Izaya> Nah
L440[16:26:05] <Izaya> If it's set up just close it, IIRC
L441[16:27:17] <beesnees2> I can write a bootloader but I cannot select a partition to install / to
L442[16:27:42] <beesnees2> trying to change the mount point for a filesystem gives "Could not mount partition" "Error: Invalid Argument"
L443[16:28:26] <Izaya> what
L444[16:28:37] <beesnees2> idk I broked it
L445[16:28:45] <beesnees2> restarting from the beginning
L446[16:28:48] <Izaya> did you format a partition
L447[16:28:56] <beesnees2> yeah as BeFS or whatever it's called
L448[16:29:11] <Izaya> Huh
L449[16:29:23] <Izaya> Nightly build, right?
L450[16:29:28] <beesnees2> yeah
L451[16:29:35] <beesnees2> there's nothing else son
L452[16:29:42] <beesnees2> other than some build from 2012 that probably sucks
L453[16:29:47] <beesnees2> lol
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L455[16:31:35] <Izaya> Yeah
L456[16:31:41] <beesnees2> idk what I'm doing wrong https://i.imgur.com/qzEw7go.png
L457[16:31:45] <Izaya> Pre package manager
L458[16:32:13] <Izaya> Gotta format it man
L459[16:32:17] <beesnees2> what
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L461[16:32:19] <beesnees2> it is
L462[16:32:31] <Izaya> That's just set as the partition type
L463[16:32:32] <beesnees2> ok
L464[16:32:41] <Izaya> Not formatted
L465[16:32:55] <beesnees2> that's confusing UI
L466[16:33:29] <beesnees2> it asks which FS is going to be used on that, but that shouldn't matter unless it's GPT
L467[16:33:41] <beesnees2> seems to work now
L468[16:33:41] <Izaya> Needs a guided install mode tbh
L469[16:34:01] <Izaya> And MBR still has partition types
L470[16:34:16] <beesnees2> ah yeah true
L471[16:34:25] <beesnees2> it's just... not a 128 bit identifier
L472[16:34:39] <Izaya> No, more like 8.
L473[16:35:53] <beesnees2> wow, a whole lot of gnu utils here
L474[16:36:29] <Izaya> I mean, it is mostly POSIX
L475[16:39:29] <beesnees2> the screensaver crashed
L476[16:39:37] <beesnees2> pretty important functionality right there
L477[16:40:49] <beesnees2> Izaya: hm, what web browser is in the default install
L478[16:40:55] <beesnees2> I thought netsurf was on it
L479[16:40:58] <beesnees2> but can't find it
L480[16:41:05] <Izaya> WebPositive
L481[16:41:32] <beesnees2> also
L482[16:41:39] <beesnees2> don't enable LCD subpixel antialiasing
L483[16:41:48] <Izaya> You'll find it's a lot more capable than netsurf
L484[16:42:12] <Izaya> Yeah it screws up all the text rendering
L485[16:42:17] <beesnees2> yeah
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L487[16:42:23] <beesnees2> although in places where it works
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L489[16:42:34] <beesnees2> it looks slightly slightly better than my current configuration in linux/x11
L490[16:44:48] <Michiyo> So, question..
L491[16:45:20] <Michiyo> Given a key, and an encrypted file, encrypted via some unknown means, what process would you use to decrypt said file?
L492[16:45:47] <Izaya> Probably try PGP first
L493[16:45:55] <beesnees2> first I would run `file` on the file
L494[16:45:59] <beesnees2> and then give up if it's unknown
L495[16:46:28] <beesnees2> and then use a $5 crowbar attack to get the cipher's source code
L496[16:46:43] <Michiyo> seems our inhouse dev team has tried before to decrypt this before, and failed. Sadly I don't have access to the data right now or I'd be trying
L497[16:47:28] <ben_mkiv> read the first bytes if it contains some header informations
L498[16:47:29] <Michiyo> the company we get the data from gives us the key, tells us to decrypt it ourself, but gives no information on how, then charges the client double+ to do the decryption for them
L499[16:48:28] * beesnees2 provides a puke bucket to Michiyo to deal with the insanity of that
L500[16:48:45] <ben_mkiv> who knows if the key is correct.... xD
L501[16:48:59] <Michiyo> lmao, well it *USED* to be atleast
L502[16:49:00] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/lHLHCnZ.jpg
L503[16:49:31] <Michiyo> they changed how the data was stored in the last 4-5 years, before it was encrypted with said key in the DB
L504[16:49:45] <Michiyo> they it was split out to actual files and encrypted, and they say they use the same key
L505[16:49:51] <Michiyo> s/they/then/
L506[16:49:51] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> then it was split out to actual files and encrypted, and they say they use the same key
L507[16:58:01] <beesnees2> ah shit
L508[16:58:13] <beesnees2> I got distracted with something else and forgot I had installed a haiku OS vm
L509[16:58:22] <beesnees2> better just shut it down and forget about it again
L510[17:19:04] <Izaya> beesnees2: https://my.mixtape.moe/mtbrho.png
L511[17:24:54] <beesnees2> lol
L512[17:35:34] <Joco223> Izaya, is that Haiku that you are running?
L513[17:35:40] <Izaya> Yup
L514[17:36:12] <Inari> %loot
L515[17:36:13] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains a cookie with raisins.
L516[17:36:16] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L517[17:36:16] * MichiBot pets AmandaC with imo culture. 5 health gained!
L518[17:36:19] * Inari eats the cookie
L519[17:38:06] <Izaya> Gonna have to poke the dev doing the gcc stuff
L520[17:38:18] <Izaya> experimental/filesystem doesn't build
L521[17:49:00] <Inari> %inv add the great witch Magilou
L522[17:49:00] * MichiBot summons 'the great witch Magilou' and adds to her inventory. This seems rather fragile...
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L524[17:49:34] <Joco223> I like the aesthetics of it
L525[17:58:16] <Joco223> Beesnees2, i made the change to my inventory scanning and now it uses getAllStacks
L526[17:58:18] <Joco223> Holy
L527[17:58:25] <Joco223> It finishes in like 2 seconds
L528[17:59:11] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbxDbD_mOI ~
L529[17:59:11] <MichiBot> All Star Circulation - Smash Mouth vs. Kana Hanazawa | length: 4m 5s | Likes: 3,945 Dislikes: 38 Views: 124,597 | by Triple-Q | Published On 16/1/2017
L530[18:01:28] <beesnees2> @Joco223 neato
L531[18:02:21] <Joco223> A few more bugs to fix and features to add and i can showcase it
L532[18:10:13] <Wuerfel_21> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338081788335489024/481226766640349184/UDNtbth.png
L533[18:10:44] <Wuerfel_21> Marvel, eat your heart out
L534[18:12:00] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0LhDiMj8Q ~
L535[18:12:01] <MichiBot> Ashlee Simpson - La La | length: 3m 45s | Likes: 26,459 Dislikes: 1,181 Views: 6,488,989 | by AshleeSimpsonVEVO | Published On 7/10/2009
L536[18:14:26] <Kodos> %choose cereal or pasta or pork
L537[18:14:27] <MichiBot> Kodos: pasta
L538[18:14:32] <Kodos> Indeed
L539[18:20:23] <AmandaC> %choose watch more or meh
L540[18:20:24] <MichiBot> AmandaC: meh
L541[18:21:46] <Inari> %inv add a hardcopy of "Physically Escalating with Cuties."
L542[18:21:46] * MichiBot summons 'a hardcopy of "Physically Escalating with Cuties."' and adds to her inventory. This seems rather fragile...
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L544[18:36:10] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3aKe8n6NLo for when you ever feel down :P
L545[18:36:10] <MichiBot> Super ☆ Affection ~English Lyrics | length: 3m 27s | Likes: 3,964 Dislikes: 58 Views: 465,865 | by Kohaku Kotomine | Published On 12/6/2016
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L547[18:44:52] <beesnees2> Izaya: does MediaPlayer support opus files
L548[18:44:57] <beesnees2> too lazy to start the vm
L549[18:52:21] <Izaya> beesnees2: I think so
L550[18:53:08] <beesnees2> it better
L551[18:53:43] <Izaya> mediakit uses ffmpeg internally
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L560[20:27:49] <Izaya> is the computer signal queue FIFO or FILO?
L561[20:28:46] <ben_mkiv|afk> depends on moon phase
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L566[21:00:02] <Kodos> I would think it's FIFO, but I could be wrong
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L575[23:51:16] <Kharkov> is there any way to listen to the traffic of a relay or otherwise monitor network traffic
L576[23:52:09] <Kodos> Is the traffic being broadcasted across a port, or sent to a specific modem
L577[23:52:17] <Kharkov> sent
L578[23:52:21] <Kodos> Then no
L579[23:52:36] <Kharkov> how are you responding if you are a bot
L580[23:52:49] <Kodos> I am a very well programmed bot.
L581[23:53:00] <Kharkov> lol
L582[23:53:09] <Kharkov> thanks
L583[23:53:19] <Kodos> You're welcome. Thanks for using CleverBot 2.0!
L584[23:55:03] <Kodos> The answer is 42.
L585[23:55:07] <Kharkov> potential dirty hack, what happens if multiple components have the same uuid (from some simple addon)
L586[23:55:24] <Kodos> UUIDs are assigned randomly, so good luck getting 2 of the same
L587[23:55:40] <Kharkov> yeah, thats why I would need to write a simple addon to do it
L588[23:55:51] <Kodos> But why would anyone want to install such an addon?
L589[23:56:06] <Kharkov> so they can monitor traffic
L590[23:56:29] <Kodos> Honestly, if you're so paranoid you need to monitor traffic on a fake computer inside a video game, I don't know what to tell you.
L591[23:56:33] <Kharkov> which is useful for many situations in networking
L592[23:56:40] <Kharkov> its not for paranoia reasons
L593[23:57:15] <Kharkov> its because it makes subnetting much easier and more powerful
L594[23:58:09] <Kharkov> you can use computronics spoofing to send the packets
L595[23:58:22] <Kharkov> but you need to monitor it too
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