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L1[00:01:49] * Izaya pages payonel
L2[00:02:20] <Mimiru> There is no payonel only zuul
L3[00:02:24] <Mimiru> AKA, offline :P
L4[00:04:59] <gamax92> Hey Mimiru
L5[00:05:09] <Mimiru> Hey gamax92
L6[01:58:37] <gamax92> probably going to be around for at least a month, taking a break from some stress inducing stuff
L7[02:09:51] <Kleadron> i wonder how laggy vector graphics would be for this
L8[02:12:25] <Kleadron> or wireframe idk what its called
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L10[02:15:10] <Izaya> I mean, perhaps less so than filled polygons
L11[02:15:48] <Izaya> but if you're using all 24 lines of a T2 screen it'll still take 1.2 seconds to redraw
L12[02:16:21] <Izaya> I mean, I say that and yet my menu program is fast despite redrawing every time it moves to the point it doesn't generally flicker
L13[02:16:24] <Izaya> so who knows
L14[02:17:54] <Kleadron> i want square pixels
L15[02:18:31] * Izaya nods
L16[02:18:41] <Izaya> so you'll fit two pixels in one line
L17[02:20:23] <Izaya> meaning you get ~80x50 on a T2 screen and can redraw two lines of pixels at a time
L18[02:20:54] <Kleadron> i mean i could probably manipulate unicode characters to be like pixels
L19[02:21:04] <Izaya> yeah
L20[02:21:08] <Izaya> half block characters
L21[02:21:15] <Izaya> known territory
L22[02:21:58] <Kleadron> also i have seen an operating system called kittenOS which apparently can view bitmap images in a window
L23[02:22:04] * Izaya nods
L24[02:22:10] <Izaya> compatible with windows bitmaps even
L25[02:22:23] <Izaya> at least, apparently
L26[02:22:47] <Izaya> my experience with the graphics capabilities of KOS NEO are limited, I've only really used it to write GUI stuff
L27[02:23:47] <Izaya> the UI lib is nice enough though
L28[02:25:22] <Izaya> need to get around to writing mdbrowse for KOS NEO
L29[02:25:45] <Izaya> %remindme 2h installer for packages.cfg
L30[02:25:46] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "installer for packages.cfg" at 06/29/2018 04:25:45 AM
L31[02:25:55] <Izaya> %remindme 4h mdbrowse for KOS NEO
L32[02:25:55] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "mdbrowse for KOS NEO" at 06/29/2018 06:25:55 AM
L33[02:39:19] <Kleadron> it is compatible with windows bitmaps
L34[02:44:29] <Izaya> v fancy
L35[02:54:29] * Saphire nibbles izaya
L36[03:03:21] <Skye> Blame me for inspiring bitmaps
L37[03:03:24] <Skye> I said it as a joke
L38[03:03:32] <Skye> And then the Dev said
L39[03:03:40] <Skye> That it was a good idea
L40[03:03:46] <Skye> After reading the spec
L41[03:03:47] <Skye> Lol
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L44[04:25:46] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER: installer for packages.cfg
L45[04:33:04] <Alex404> Is there a way to pull the event of an error that made the computer crash?
L46[04:34:03] <Alex404> I'm trying to make an automatic wake-up broadcast and I need the pcs to check if they crashed for "too long without yelding" (potato server, so i need to check this" or energy- or something else
L47[04:35:55] <Alex404> I'm trying to make an automatic wake-up broadcast and I need the pcs to check if they crashed for "too long without yelding" (potato server, so i need to check this) or energy- or something else [Edited]
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L53[06:25:56] <MichiBot> Izaya REMINDER: mdbrowse for KOS NEO
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L110[07:15:28] <AmandaC> %choose try and be productive or start S2
L111[07:15:29] <MichiBot> AmandaC: try and be productive
L112[07:41:06] <vifino> omg, my gay neighbours are getting married!!!
L113[07:41:13] <vifino> SO HAPPY
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L115[07:41:53] <Inari> http://tinyurl.com/y84cuab8
L116[07:42:13] <Inari> Heyy
L117[07:42:16] <Inari> A bug in michibot!
L118[07:42:36] <vifino> not a bug - is feature, yes.
L119[07:42:46] <Inari> test http://tinyurl.com/ybh5a2y5
L120[07:42:49] <Inari> Hrm
L121[07:43:04] <Inari> http://tinyurl.com/y99hzejt
L122[07:43:08] <Inari> Is a bug
L123[07:43:16] <Inari> Why'd it be a feature :f
L124[07:43:16] <AmandaC> What's a bug?
L125[07:43:37] <Inari> Errr
L126[07:43:40] <Inari> Bug in Corded I mean :P
L127[07:43:42] <Inari> When I upload a pic and paste a link as the message for the pic, it doesn't include the link in IRC
L128[07:44:32] <vifino> ?
L129[07:44:38] <vifino> It shortens it?
L130[07:44:43] <Inari> No
L131[07:44:46] <Inari> It links to the uploadedp ic
L132[07:45:52] <Inari> http://tinyurl.com/ybeogo4m
L133[07:46:01] <vifino> ok den
L134[07:46:05] <Inari> But Corded only shows a tinyurl to the uploaded pic
L135[07:46:08] <vifino> not like we're missing much.
L136[07:46:11] <Inari> :P
L137[07:46:15] <Inari> It's important!
L138[07:46:21] <Inari> %bap vifino
L139[07:46:22] * MichiBot baps vifino with the paperclip golem
L140[07:46:39] <vifino> could just mute Inari on the discord side, problem fixed~
L141[07:46:46] <Inari> :f
L142[07:46:48] <Kodos> Hmm, 24.59 left on Steam. What do
L143[07:46:51] <Inari> %stab vifino
L144[07:46:52] * MichiBot stabs vifino with orbital submarine doing 4 damage (2+2)
L145[07:47:00] * vifino pets Inari
L146[07:47:02] <Inari> @Kodos buy Prime Mover
L147[07:47:11] <Inari> %poke vifino
L148[07:47:11] <Kodos> I have it wishlisted, how is it?
L149[07:47:11] * MichiBot pokes vifino with Dorothy's pricelist doing 10 damage
L150[07:47:22] <Inari> Well I only just played a bit of it
L151[07:47:24] <Inari> But so far it seems cool
L152[07:47:35] * vifino pokes Inari back
L153[07:48:00] <Inari> This makes me think of some absurd something
L154[07:48:01] <Kodos> Ahh, a programming game
L155[07:48:10] <Inari> 3 people, person A, person B, and a robot C that person A built
L156[07:48:48] <Inari> Person A: poke B / Robot C: *pokes B* / Person B: *pokes Person A* / Person A: "hey D: thats not fair, you're supposed to poke back at Robot C, not me!"
L157[07:51:51] <AmandaC> Right, I've failed to be productive, anime time
L158[07:52:25] <Inari> Haha
L159[08:09:10] <Kodos> Any of you play Hellion?
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L161[08:23:59] <MGR> It looks interesting, but I haven't played it
L162[08:26:12] <Inari> %lootbox
L163[08:26:12] <MichiBot> Inari: You get a loot box! It contains a cookie with raisins.
L164[08:26:21] * Inari noms it
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L170[09:38:15] <pckay09> hi
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L172[09:41:38] <Alex404> ok, important question about chunkloading
L173[09:41:51] <Alex404> is there a way to chunk load a pc?
L174[09:41:59] <Alex404> or a robot that crashed?
L175[09:42:41] <MGR> OC Robots have a chunkloader upgrade that will consume energy to load the chunk the robot is in, and is toggleable
L176[09:42:47] <MGR> That's the only way provided by OC itself
L177[09:43:40] <Forecaster> http://maximumble.thebookofbiff.com/2018/06/28/1749-all-this/
L178[09:43:51] <Forecaster> Refs
L179[09:44:14] <Alex404> its related to my question?
L180[09:44:21] <Alex404> I dont get it lol
L181[09:44:48] <Alex404> I know about the chunklaoder upgrade, but his utility seems pretty limited
L182[09:45:11] <MGR> Other mod's chunkloaders will work
L183[09:46:05] <Forecaster> The link? Yes definitely
L184[09:46:32] <Alex404> right now what i'm trying to find is a way to "send" a wake up call to other pcs
L185[09:46:39] <Alex404> but if they are outside a chunkloaded area... gg
L186[09:47:00] <Alex404> and I find strnage that opencomputers doesn't have a native pc chunkloader
L187[09:47:10] <Alex404> can I ask why?
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L189[09:53:22] <vifino> Of course you can ask.
L190[09:53:29] <vifino> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
L191[09:57:56] <Izaya> I think you can put it in an adaptor.
L192[10:00:08] <gamax92> bleh, can't ever sleep
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L208[10:04:04] <Saphire> PEEEEEEP
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L216[10:53:59] <payonel> @status @Flatgub
L217[10:53:59] <Discord> Flatgub is currently OFFLINE
L218[10:55:33] * Izaya waves
L219[10:55:54] <payonel> hello
L220[10:56:21] <Izaya> I was gonna rewrite my installer again but got distracted
L221[10:56:22] <Izaya> such is life
L222[10:56:38] <payonel> i really really need to finish cursor and edit this weekend
L223[10:56:43] <payonel> there is SOOO much else i need to do for oc
L224[10:56:51] <payonel> i'm kind of burned out on the cursor lib, tbh
L225[10:57:01] <payonel> well, not the cursor
L226[10:57:06] <payonel> the cursor work was awesome
L227[10:57:17] <payonel> but the editor was a real buzzkill
L228[10:57:31] <Izaya> there's a reason I've never written a visual editor
L229[10:58:12] <payonel> if i didn't care about memory ... ahhh, it would have been a lot more enjoyable
L230[11:08:47] <Izaya> I should try to do a line editor that only keeps the current line in memory.
L231[11:09:00] <Izaya> iunno with Lua's lazy garbage collection it sounds like it'd just make it slow
L232[11:10:22] <Izaya> oh, that reminds me, if I have OC-related tools that don't run on OC, where on the forums would they go?
L233[11:18:01] <AmandaC> https://nc.ddna.co/index.php/s/DjpqA7rfpmSAbbk <-- SystemD cmdlet for powershell
L234[11:19:56] <Izaya> horrifying
L235[11:20:07] <Izaya> slowershell and systemdicks
L236[11:24:20] <AmandaC> I thought you'd reply with something like that, so let me add a third: that screenshot's from the VSCode integrated terminal. :D
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L240[11:30:42] <vifino> uh oh, who ran HCF on Izaya?
L241[11:39:09] <Izaya> actually speaking of
L242[11:39:14] <Izaya> vifino: have you seen HCF?
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L245[11:46:22] <gamax92> good ol Limited HDMI range
L246[11:48:19] <vifino> Izaya: ?
L247[11:48:22] <vifino> gamax92!
L248[11:48:30] <Izaya> Halt and Catch Fire
L249[11:48:33] <Izaya> the uh
L250[11:48:33] <gamax92> hey there vifino
L251[11:48:35] <Izaya> AMC? series
L252[11:48:45] <vifino> Nope.
L253[11:48:53] <Izaya> is gud
L254[11:48:53] <gamax92> I haven't watched it either
L255[11:48:56] <vifino> How are you doing, gamax92? :)
L256[11:49:10] <gamax92> Ehh
L257[11:49:23] <vifino> Not that good? :(
L258[11:49:50] <gamax92> not great not bad
L259[11:50:03] <gamax92> still myself though
L260[11:50:17] <vifino> that's very important.
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L262[11:50:44] <Izaya> being one's self is often useful
L263[11:51:03] <Izaya> as being someone else makes it difficult to uh
L264[11:51:07] <Izaya> I was going somewhere
L265[11:52:22] <gamax92> I'm just cleaning up my computer and moving stuff off my father's computer to mine
L266[12:01:27] <gamax92> rip github
L267[12:03:29] <gamax92> oh I guess it's comcast's fault
L268[12:04:29] * Mimiru looks at github
L269[12:04:34] <Mimiru> .me looks at comcast connection
L270[12:04:37] <Mimiru> damnit
L271[12:04:39] * Mimiru shrugs
L272[12:05:00] <Mimiru> though we are slightly distant geographically :P
L273[12:23:04] <Z0idburg> Mimiru I always blame the other carrier
L274[12:23:13] <Z0idburg> Because I work for an ISP :D
L275[12:23:36] <Z0idburg> Always change the carrier
L276[12:23:38] <Z0idburg> Blame*
L277[12:23:55] <Mimiru> I do support for.... $FruitPhone company, so I get to blame people's carriers all the time :D
L278[12:24:06] <Z0idburg> Haha
L279[13:00:13] <gamax92> Dammit, I could access github for a little bit and now it's back to being unreachable for me
L280[13:02:31] <Mimiru> gamax92, could vpn?
L281[13:03:05] <Mimiru> You'll be from Canada... but it might work :P
L282[13:03:23] <gamax92> I'm alright, thanks :P
L283[13:03:55] * Mimiru shrugs
L284[13:03:55] <Mimiru> k
L285[13:10:43] <Temia> %give MichiBot catfish buuz
L286[13:10:44] * MichiBot accepts catfish buuz and adds it to her inventory
L287[13:21:21] <AmandaC> wait, there's issues with github?
L288[13:21:38] * AmandaC is on comcast, and poking through github fine
L289[13:21:49] <MGR> ~w computer
L290[13:21:49] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer
L291[13:32:15] <Kleadron> the bitmap rendering thing in kittenOS allows you to render a 320x200 image on a T3 screen
L292[13:32:44] <Kleadron> i tried it by replacing the image for the logo program and it indeed worked
L293[13:33:07] <Kleadron> which means that each char holds 8 pixels
L294[13:33:15] <Kleadron> with two colors
L295[13:33:20] <Kleadron> kind of like color cells
L296[13:34:18] <Izaya> impressive
L297[13:34:55] <Izaya> serious dithering then I guess
L298[13:37:16] <asie> @Kleadron yes, CTIF has done that for a while too
L299[13:37:20] <asie> http://github.com/ChenThread/ctif
L300[13:38:26] <asie> coming up with better and better BTM graphics modes was a bit of an inner competition among the team
L301[13:38:41] <asie> but i think at 320x200x256 we've reached the peak of pixel graphics
L302[13:38:43] <Skye> bitmap encoding was simple enough for @20kdc to use IIRC
L303[13:39:56] <asie> i wonder what kind of algorithm KittenOS uses
L304[13:39:59] <asie> as, clearly, it manages to run on Lua
L305[13:40:07] <asie> CTIF is highly bruteforce-y, as it aims for highest quality
L306[13:40:23] <Skye> asie, from what I can tell it uses normal windows bmps
L307[13:40:25] <asie> in the "perfect" quality mode it can take upwards of 20 seconds (!) to generate an image (the sub-par quality modes only differ by a few characters and take 4 seconds)
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L309[13:40:30] <asie> Skye: https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/blob/master/code/libs/braille.lua
L310[13:40:42] <20kdc> speak of the devil and they will appear. *yawns*
L311[13:41:05] <asie> oh
L312[13:41:19] <20kdc> And yeah, it's not a very good algorithm, as you can tell
L313[13:41:19] <Wiiplay123> For some reason I thought we had an entity-based robot with a gun on it or something
L314[13:41:21] <asie> it seems to look for the brightest color, then the most distant color to it, then just dithers between the two?
L315[13:41:33] <Wiiplay123> looks like we have a normal robot and a drone but not the thing I was imagining :\
L316[13:41:36] <asie> not a bad idea
L317[13:42:29] <asie> i want to write a 100% OC-side 320x200 renderer myself
L318[13:42:39] <asie> adapting a very simplified version of CTIF
L319[13:42:55] <20kdc> knowing you, you'll probably get tons better performance
L320[13:43:07] <asie> i've spent ages optimizing OC stuff
L321[13:43:13] <20kdc> that said, GPU call limits. *shudders*
L322[13:43:19] <asie> but right now i'm occupied with a far bigger OC project ;-)
L323[13:43:31] <Kleadron> i want doom in opencomputers
L324[13:43:37] <Wiiplay123> I just had an interesting idea
L325[13:43:44] <asie> @Kleadron i'm busy working on impossible things, i don't do miracles however
L326[13:43:48] <20kdc> Kleadron: If you want it to be playable, make sure it's monochrome.
L327[13:43:55] <asie> or semi-monochrome
L328[13:44:00] <Wiiplay123> Use the hologram projector to build a holodeck that creates a virtual player and tracks a real player
L329[13:44:02] <asie> (mono 3D renderer + carefully colored 2D part)
L330[13:44:11] <asie> also, here's a fun trick: set the viewport to be smaller and run gpu.copy() from offscreen
L331[13:44:21] <Wiiplay123> then a second holodeck that uses the other real player's position to position its own virtual player
L332[13:44:24] <asie> you can do very efficient animations that way, the "zoomer" and "cube" demos from the BTM demoset utilize this heavily
L333[13:44:26] <Wiiplay123> basically telepresense in 3D
L334[13:44:55] <asie> anyhow, as i said, busy with a far bigger project
L335[13:45:01] <20kdc> asie: unfortunately since this is about as documented as the general proceedings on how to get Donald Trump deported there's no OCEmu support ?
L336[13:45:18] <asie> @20kdc why support OCEmu when you can use Kallisti?
L337[13:45:20] <asie> :^)
L338[13:45:36] <asie> it's not very well documented yet, but soon(tm) i'll have something documented
L339[13:46:46] <Skye> asie, https://github.com/20kdc/OC-KittenOS/blob/master/code/libs/bmp.lua
L340[13:46:55] <asie> Skye: not that one
L341[13:46:57] <asie> braille.lua
L342[13:47:03] <Skye> I know
L343[13:47:04] <asie> bmp.lua is just the BMP parser... i don't need that, ChenThread has something better
L344[13:47:08] <asie> http://github.com/ChenThread/octagon
L345[13:47:09] <Skye> :P
L346[13:47:10] <asie> PNG decoder
L347[13:47:15] <asie> @20kdc you might want to implement it as a library ^
L348[13:50:23] <asie> I might give a 320x200 PNG renderer a shot later.
L349[13:50:30] <asie> I have a good idea of how I want to implement it now. But... not yet.
L350[13:50:42] <asie> PRIORITIES
L351[14:04:38] <Alex404> does oc need a gpu and a monitor to start?
L352[14:04:46] <Alex404> because i'm truing a simple autorun script
L353[14:05:01] <Alex404> but it doesnt start until i place a gpu and a screen
L354[14:05:38] <Alex404> its a simple "require internet" and then broadcast a message. Nothing until gpu and screen are placed
L355[14:05:38] <MGR> I don't think you need a GPU and screen ?
L356[14:07:22] <Wuerfel_21> where are you placing the autorun script? i think the shell might not load if there is no gpu...
L357[14:08:24] <Alex404> .shrc
L358[14:13:54] <Alex404> is there another place to put autoruns?
L359[14:16:31] <Inari> Prime Mover is hard ;-;
L360[14:21:04] <MGR> autorun.lua
L361[14:21:10] <MGR> In the / directory
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L363[14:21:43] <Alex404> does this overcome my problem of tfw no gpu?
L364[14:21:50] <Alex404> will try now
L365[14:21:54] <MGR> I'm not sure, but it's worth trying
L366[14:22:00] <payonel> yeah, .shrc only runs if the interactive shell loads
L367[14:22:05] <payonel> ergo, needs gpu and monitor
L368[14:22:12] <payonel> but .autorun does NOT need a gpu
L369[14:22:15] <MGR> autorun.lua is where your program would go though, it's not shell commands
L370[14:22:26] <Alex404> thank you
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L372[14:23:29] <AmandaC> %choose veg out one or two
L373[14:23:29] <MichiBot> AmandaC: veg out one
L374[14:23:39] <AmandaC> %choose 2d or 3d
L375[14:23:39] <MichiBot> AmandaC: 3d
L376[14:23:49] * AmandaC loads up a youtube lp
L377[14:23:56] <Alex404> uhm i guess i cannot simply put the name of the file here
L378[14:24:08] <payonel> why?
L379[14:24:48] <Alex404> I mean
L380[14:25:01] <Alex404> on .shrc i was using /directory/namefile.lua in there
L381[14:25:20] <payonel> did you mean "in this file" when you said "here"
L382[14:25:22] <MGR> You put the contents of the program in autorun.lua
L383[14:25:26] <payonel> because i thought you meant here in irc
L384[14:25:32] <Alex404> aaah ok sorry
L385[14:25:40] <payonel> you can also use os.execute("/directory/namefile.lua")
L386[14:25:40] <Alex404> english is not my first language
L387[14:25:51] <Alex404> os.execute seems a better idea
L388[14:25:54] <payonel> what is?
L389[14:25:57] <Alex404> I like my directory trees
L390[14:27:47] <payonel> what is your native language?
L391[14:28:39] <Alex404> italian
L392[14:28:54] <Alex404> more important thing: autorun simply freeze the pc
L393[14:29:10] <payonel> well if the program it executes doesn't return, sure
L394[14:29:10] <Alex404> i guess i need to return to do some tutorials...
L395[14:29:42] <Alex404> it should at least print some debug
L396[14:29:55] <MGR> ?
L397[14:29:58] <payonel> it will if you call print
L398[14:30:01] <payonel> i'm a bit confused
L399[14:30:04] <Alex404> even the simple os.execute simply stopped the libery loading
L400[14:30:13] <Alex404> even the simple os.execute simply stopped the library loading [Edited]
L401[14:30:40] <MGR> Does the program return if you run it without autorun?
L402[14:30:46] <Alex404> it stops at "initializing system"
L403[14:31:09] <Alex404> no because I use it for.... events
L404[14:31:33] <Alex404> is autorun a particular case?
L405[14:31:53] <MGR> Initializing system includes autorun I believe
L406[14:32:04] <MGR> So, it won't proceed to the shell because your program is executing
L407[14:33:05] <Alex404> ok
L408[14:33:10] <payonel> autoruns have a type of delay, sec
L409[14:33:20] <payonel> yeah, autoruns don't execute until the init event occurs
L410[14:33:23] <payonel> that should be at the end
L411[14:33:47] <payonel> so, if you have a funky autorun and boot is falling on its face ...
L412[14:33:50] <payonel> that's an issue
L413[14:34:03] <Alex404> the program runs normally in the shell
L414[14:34:13] <Alex404> aaand if called with .shrc
L415[14:35:07] <Alex404> the program creates a thread for listening to some events, and anfter he has some of them, it kills the thread and returns to shell normally
L416[14:35:18] <Alex404> the program creates a thread for listening to some events, and after he has some of them, it kills the thread and returns to shell normally [Edited]
L417[14:35:22] <MGR> Long shot, but is there anything in /tmp like event.log?
L418[14:35:59] <Alex404> yes
L419[14:36:33] <Alex404> right now its only say "thread interrupted" because i need to ctrl-alt-c out of the program
L420[14:36:40] <MGR> Ok
L421[14:36:41] <Alex404> (because of the event.pull())
L422[14:37:57] <payonel> alex404: can you paste your autorun and script? [ use https://hastebin.com/ \
L423[14:38:05] <payonel> s/\/]/
L424[14:38:05] <MichiBot> payonel: Invalid regex \
L425[14:38:12] <payonel> s//\/]/
L426[14:38:15] <payonel> s/\\/]/
L427[14:38:15] <MichiBot> <payonel> alex404: can you paste your autorun and script? [ use https://hastebin.com/ ]
L428[14:41:28] <Alex404> https://hastebin.com/eyigadetey.lua like this?
L429[14:41:57] <payonel> yep. and what are the contents of your autorun?
L430[14:42:06] <payonel> just os.execute("/path/to/that/file.lua")
L431[14:42:08] <payonel> ?
L432[14:42:16] <Alex404> i've tried with that entire script, and os.exectute
L433[14:42:26] <Alex404> both
L434[14:42:38] <Alex404> not on the same time of course
L435[14:42:56] <payonel> svuotato
L436[14:42:58] <payonel> i like that word
L437[14:43:06] <payonel> makes me think of a suave potato
L438[14:43:14] <AmandaC> %translate svuotato
L439[14:43:15] <MichiBot> emptied
L440[14:43:22] <payonel> AmandaC: o_O
L441[14:43:27] <payonel> what kind of voodoo is this
L442[14:43:38] <AmandaC> Mimiru added a %tranaslate awhile ago
L443[14:44:03] <payonel> %translate lewd
L444[14:44:03] <MichiBot> lewd
L445[14:44:08] <payonel> noted
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L448[14:44:12] zsh sets mode: +v on payonel
L449[14:44:17] <payonel> stupid ^w
L450[14:44:25] <Mimiru> Update. HexChat.
L451[14:44:26] <Mimiru> :P
L452[14:44:31] * payonel updates Mimiru
L453[14:44:34] <Mimiru> 14 fix't
L454[14:44:45] <AmandaC> %translate sugoi
L455[14:44:45] <MichiBot> Sugoi
L456[14:44:56] <Mimiru> sometimes you have to specify the from/too
L457[14:45:02] <AmandaC> %translate jp ensugoi
L458[14:45:02] <MichiBot> jp ensugoi
L459[14:45:05] <AmandaC> %translate jp en sugoi
L460[14:45:05] <MichiBot> JP in sugoi
L461[14:45:09] <AmandaC> meh
L462[14:45:09] <payonel> %translate すごい
L463[14:45:09] <MichiBot> Amazing
L464[14:45:17] <Mimiru> I forget the format.
L465[14:45:31] <Mimiru> I love writing code, then forgetting it
L466[14:45:37] <AmandaC> using non-romanised versions of the language as payonel did would prbably be the best choice. :P
L467[14:47:22] <Vexatos> nemo hic Latine loquitur :<
L468[14:47:53] <payonel> alex: works for me ?
L469[14:47:56] * payonel shrugs
L470[14:48:30] <Alex404> works... for you?
L471[14:48:30] <payonel> also, just realized my ocvm driver for the modem lacks the `setStrength` api
L472[14:48:59] <payonel> yep, let me add the setStrength,
L473[14:49:15] <payonel> is that an api on wireless only?
L474[14:49:19] <payonel> or just a no-op for wired?
L475[14:49:45] <Alex404> I use the setStrenght to see If the pc has a different wireless than tier 2
L476[14:50:11] <Alex404> ? because as a gps beacon, using 16 meters of broadcast is...
L477[14:50:25] <Alex404> but wait
L478[14:50:29] <payonel> oh oh
L479[14:50:34] <Alex404> I'm probably VERY stupid
L480[14:50:35] <payonel> "Initializing system..."
L481[14:50:40] <payonel> is the LAST message on the boot
L482[14:50:44] <payonel> for some reason ...
L483[14:50:48] <payonel> forget most of what i've said
L484[14:50:50] <payonel> let's rewind
L485[14:50:53] <Alex404> so... it doesn't works for you?
L486[14:50:54] <Alex404> ?
L487[14:51:01] <payonel> yeah, if your os.execute() is blocking boot at the END of boot
L488[14:51:05] <payonel> yes, that makes perfect sense
L489[14:51:24] <Alex404> every time its blocks at "initializing system"
L490[14:51:33] <payonel> yes
L491[14:51:38] <payonel> that's the last step in boot
L492[14:51:41] <Alex404> every time the pc blocks at "initializing system" [Edited]
L493[14:51:43] <payonel> your os.execute is blocking it
L494[14:52:52] <Alex404> but... why?
L495[14:52:59] <Alex404> I'm not user i'm understanding
L496[14:53:05] <Alex404> I'm not sure i'm understanding [Edited]
L497[14:53:05] <payonel> alex: autorun isn't suited for interactive processes
L498[14:53:25] <payonel> ignore that last comment about "interactive" for a sec
L499[14:53:27] <payonel> let's back up
L500[14:53:43] <payonel> when you run your alex.lua (i'm sure that's what you called it, that what i called it)
L501[14:53:57] <Alex404> beacon.lua ?
L502[14:54:02] <payonel> does it return to shell immediately, or, is it an interactive program
L503[14:54:14] <payonel> meaning, it waits for some input/action/event
L504[14:54:14] <Alex404> interactive
L505[14:54:57] <payonel> sorry phone call
L506[14:55:08] <payonel> ok, so, your program is a blocking program
L507[14:55:09] <payonel> yes?
L508[14:55:21] <Alex404> i guess
L509[14:55:31] <payonel> so obviously...it blocks boot
L510[14:55:34] <payonel> yes?
L511[14:55:39] <Alex404> understood
L512[14:56:21] <payonel> the 2nd thing to understand is that your boot process executes things before all of the system is ready
L513[14:56:22] <AmandaC> %choose lazy or super-lazy
L514[14:56:23] <MichiBot> AmandaC: lazy
L515[14:57:09] <payonel> "initializing system" is actually a prerequisite to using an interactive shell
L516[14:57:13] <payonel> the shell cannot load until that completes
L517[14:57:38] <payonel> and if you run an interactive program (like the shell) during boot (e.g. via autorun) it's not going to have a screen and keyboard ready)
L518[14:57:58] <payonel> -) [had 1 too many ")"]
L519[14:58:08] <Alex404> thats clear
L520[14:58:21] <Alex404> so i guess the way I want to implement my scripts is wrong
L521[14:58:48] <Alex404> how can I rewrite them to be interactive, and usable, on a gpu-less and screen-less pc?
L522[14:59:04] <AmandaC> Splitting the server and client are probably a good idea. the server can be an rc script, and the client can be a normal interactive program
L523[14:59:14] <payonel> well first of all, i'll admit i've thought about moving some events and sequence around so that autoruns can be interactive
L524[14:59:21] <payonel> but, that's just something i think about on my own for openos
L525[14:59:32] <payonel> but secondly, what you asked is a bit confusing
L526[14:59:39] <payonel> you want "interactive" AND "gpuless" ?
L527[14:59:50] <Alex404> yes
L528[14:59:56] <Alex404> i mean
L529[14:59:59] <payonel> i guess you can do that if you detect a gpu, be interactive
L530[15:00:01] <Alex404> I want this program to make choiches
L531[15:00:01] <payonel> else, don't
L532[15:00:18] <payonel> and i you can check if you CAN be interactive by calling `if term.isAvailable() ... `
L533[15:00:28] <Alex404> but i've done that
L534[15:00:53] <payonel> then it is blocking elsewhere
L535[15:00:58] <payonel> oh, you've created threads
L536[15:01:07] <Alex404> most of prints and io.stdout:write here where tried with AND if term.IsAvailable()
L537[15:02:35] <payonel> alex, read carefully -- click this link https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:thread#thread_handle_api
L538[15:02:42] <payonel> scroll down from that point in the doc until yo usee
L539[15:02:46] <payonel> until you see*
L540[15:02:53] <payonel> "t:status(): string"
L541[15:03:03] <payonel> then read carefully the first section in that, "running"
L542[15:03:13] <payonel> starting with "A running thraed will continue..."
L543[15:04:00] <Alex404> ok i've read that before, didn't know it would create problems here
L544[15:04:14] <payonel> this is the important part
L545[15:04:15] <payonel> A running thread will block calls to t:join() and block its parent from closing
L546[15:04:29] <payonel> "block its parent from closing"
L547[15:05:57] <Alex404> mmm
L548[15:05:58] <Alex404> ok
L549[15:06:36] <Alex404> So I should not make a program thats remain opened as a startup
L550[15:06:48] <payonel> you can
L551[15:06:54] <payonel> it'll just block until it returns
L552[15:07:43] <payonel> if you have a process A, with thread T, and you want T to continue running and not block A from exiting, you need to detach T from A (which attaches it to the init process, the most-parent of all processes)
L553[15:07:50] <payonel> did you read about t:detach() too?
L554[15:10:34] <Alex404> i'm now rereading everything
L555[15:10:55] <Alex404> as a non programmer, most of this thing didn't raise questions from me
L556[15:11:14] <payonel> this part of the doc is important about detaching
L557[15:11:16] <payonel> "A detached thread will continue to run until the computer is shutdown or rebooted, or the thread dies. "
L558[15:11:18] <Alex404> I will try to fix those things as soon as i return to pc
L559[15:11:25] <Alex404> and reread everything again ?
L560[15:11:30] <payonel> :)
L561[15:11:37] <payonel> let me know what is ambiguous or confusing
L562[15:11:43] <payonel> i wrote the thread library, and these docs
L563[15:11:49] <payonel> which is good and bad :)
L564[15:12:18] <payonel> the bad part is that i can write things unclearly when i know them too well
L565[15:12:24] <payonel> i make assumptions about what is "known"
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L569[15:55:50] <Alex404> thank you again ?
L570[16:01:20] <Inari> https://twitter.com/AceCatgirlBot/status/1012803109914071042 !
L571[16:01:20] <MichiBot> Fri Jun 29 16:00:53 CDT 2018 @AceCatgirlBot: https://t.co/3EcwVwFLDn
L572[16:02:44] <Kleadron> cease
L573[16:02:57] <Inari> Cease what?
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L575[16:17:09] <hunter1> hi
L576[16:25:39] <MGR> Hello
L577[16:35:40] <Inari> https://twitter.com/coconutwaterca1/status/1012287473882484736
L578[16:35:40] <MichiBot> Thu Jun 28 05:51:55 CDT 2018 @coconutwaterca1: if ya girl’s vegan don’t call her honey, call her:
L579[16:39:29] <Kodos> https://i.imgur.com/qPvlc91.mp4
L580[16:52:49] <hunter1> are you a bot
L581[16:52:52] <vifino> Inari: i rt'd that :3
L582[16:53:06] <hunter1> are you a human
L583[16:53:10] <vifino> nope.
L584[16:53:15] <Inari> I just saw it on Discord :P
L585[16:53:22] <vifino> wow, rude.
L586[16:53:36] <hunter1> are you a human inari
L587[16:54:06] <vifino> she's not, really.
L588[16:54:38] <Inari> I'm a foxgirl
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L595[16:59:12] <hunter> hey pal
L596[16:59:38] <hunter2> hey partner
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L598[17:03:04] <payonel> %translate inari
L599[17:03:05] <MichiBot> Inari
L600[17:03:30] <Inari> Heh
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L602[17:08:50] <gamax92> ~markov vifino
L603[17:08:55] <ocdoc> in fact, that I integrated luajit in Go?
L604[17:09:14] <vifino> quite accurate.
L605[17:09:22] <vifino> a few years ago.
L606[17:24:26] <gamax92> ~markov gamax92
L607[17:24:33] <ocdoc> wa not? wth is that it makes me of Sakurasou
L608[17:24:48] <gamax92> ouch
L609[17:28:48] <Inari> ~markov lewd
L610[17:28:48] <ocdoc> MGR: Lewdness, knife, "seed", grammar, enchanted cat claw of bleeding, an event, snuggles, no tea, 404 weapon not found, A mouldy pear, food, MGR, sake kit kats, "Bukkit",
L611[17:29:16] <Skye> ~markov lwed
L612[17:29:16] <ocdoc> Please wait ...
L613[17:29:27] <ocdoc> Nickname does not exist
L614[17:29:30] <Skye> ~markov lewd
L615[17:29:30] <ocdoc> lewd? :P but that isn't usually more cuteness with (more or less) subtle sexy
L616[17:29:37] <Skye> ~markov Inari
L617[17:29:38] <ocdoc> im good to use them :P like currently using the remote terminal
L618[17:29:58] <Inari> ~markov Skye
L619[17:29:59] <ocdoc> my dad works in OpenOS, so I'm left hand. I BROKED IT!
L620[17:30:15] <payonel> ^.^
L621[17:30:17] <Skye> I have several questions
L622[17:30:18] <payonel> ocdoc is my child!!?
L623[17:30:22] <Skye> payonel is not my dad.
L624[17:30:29] <AmandaC> ... I did not think this through https://nc.ddna.co/index.php/s/Q93qwFpWzjM6Nzb
L625[17:30:36] <payonel> not you, Skye. ocdoc
L626[17:30:46] <AmandaC> ( That's my elevator in my Stationeers base )
L627[17:31:02] <payonel> that games looks so pretty!
L628[17:31:06] <payonel> AmandaC: do you vr?
L629[17:31:16] <payonel> don't ppl usually play that game w/ vr?
L630[17:32:31] <AmandaC> I don'tthinkn it's got VR? But I don't own a desktop VR system
L631[17:32:47] <AmandaC> I have a Google Daydream which I got for free with my phone, which I'll use once in a blue moon
L632[17:32:59] <payonel> nah good
L633[17:33:05] <payonel> i have vr, but it's an old model and ...
L634[17:33:10] <payonel> i wear glasses so typically i get dizzy
L635[17:33:23] <payonel> the real point of my question was, "hey i want to play that game, please tell me it is good sans vr"
L636[17:33:41] <AmandaC> the daydream is nice in that regard, you can wear your glasses while wearing it
L637[17:33:49] <AmandaC> but to answer the real question: It's fun sans vr
L638[17:34:07] <Inari> %inv add Comic Sans VR
L639[17:34:08] * MichiBot summons 'Comic Sans VR' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L640[17:34:10] <AmandaC> if E:D is space crack, Stationeers is space heroin
L641[17:34:39] <payonel> haha
L642[17:34:49] <payonel> i couldn't get into E:D because i couldn't git gud at the controls
L643[17:34:59] <payonel> i wasn't afraid to invest in a real controller
L644[17:37:24] <AmandaC> haha, I played it mostly with a steam controller
L645[17:37:39] <Inari> %inv add Elite: Desolate
L646[17:37:40] * MichiBot summons 'Elite: Desolate' and adds to her inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L647[17:38:12] <MajGenRelativity> Uhm
L648[17:38:21] <MajGenRelativity> I am not lewd, thank you very much
L649[17:38:28] <Inari> ~markov lewd
L650[17:38:29] <ocdoc> Temia: lewd wallpapers living sperm after the attack he was added as fuck?
L651[17:39:23] <Inari> I wanted to moo that msg, but noticed it has no o's
L652[17:40:07] <MGR> I think it works on other vowels too ?
L653[17:40:10] <MGR> %moo
L654[17:40:10] <MichiBot> MGR: Moo?
L655[17:40:24] <Inari> %moo aieu
L656[17:40:24] <MichiBot> aieoo
L657[17:40:28] <Inari> I see
L658[17:40:28] <MGR> :hyperthonk:
L659[17:40:37] <MGR> %moo Temia: lewd wallpapers living sperm after the attack he was added as fuck?
L660[17:40:37] <MichiBot> Temia: lewd wallpapers living sperm after the attack he was added as foock?
L661[17:40:48] <MGR> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L662[17:41:29] <MGR> I tried Inari ?
L663[17:41:31] <Inari> So moo is basically s/[ou]/oo/g ?
L664[17:41:49] <MGR> Most likely
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L666[17:44:34] <Inari> %pet Thutmose
L667[17:44:35] * MichiBot pets Thutmose with Dorothy's pricelist. 6 health gained!
L668[17:44:39] <Inari> Lewd
L669[17:45:42] <Inari> Today's bit of wisdom: If your body is cold, your heart will be cold too.
L670[17:46:02] <gamax92> What if it's 82F inside
L671[17:46:11] <MGR> But is the inverse true?
L672[17:46:16] <Kleadron> what if only my toes are cold
L673[17:46:39] <payonel> AmandaC: is it mp?
L674[17:47:01] <gamax92> does it contain real butter
L675[17:50:22] <AmandaC> payonel: yep
L676[17:50:33] <AmandaC> payonel: both peer-to-peer and dedi
L677[17:50:45] <AmandaC> payonel: oh, bbut it's client (not dedi) is windows only for now
L678[17:50:55] <payonel> i game on windows
L679[17:51:05] <Kleadron> windows is best for gaming
L680[17:51:13] <logan2611> not by a lot anymore
L681[17:53:16] <AmandaC> ah, I know a couple people who refuse to game on windows, so I figured I'd cover that base just to be safe. :)
L682[17:53:30] <payonel> i've got nothing against msft
L683[17:53:57] <payonel> perhaps i'm biased. they used to sign my paychecks
L684[17:55:26] <AmandaC> Heh, I'm mostly the same. I grew out of my angsty-teen-zomg-microsoft-is-evil-and-must-burn-linux-foreveh phase.
L685[17:55:30] <Inari> When will OpenOS get blockchain
L686[17:55:35] <payonel> Inari: haha
L687[17:56:47] <MGR> When you make it ?
L688[18:03:46] <Vexatos> minecraft is all about those blocks
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L692[18:15:37] <ShadTheMasterXP> Hello
L693[18:16:09] <ShadTheMasterXP>
L694[18:16:10] <MGR> Hello
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L700[20:52:06] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot Inari's lolifans.gov login credentials
L701[20:52:06] * MichiBot accepts Inari's lolifans.gov login credentials and adds it to her inventory
L702[20:52:33] <Izaya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMxWvEmvti4
L703[20:52:33] <MichiBot> The Amiga 1500 Story | Commodore Vs Checkmate Digital | length: 23m 38s | Likes: 717 Dislikes: 11 Views: 9,970 | by RetroManCave | Published On 29/6/2018
L704[21:16:17] <AmandaC> %choose be bad or no
L705[21:16:17] <MichiBot> AmandaC: be bad
L706[21:16:31] <AmandaC> Right, space heroin it is
L707[21:18:58] <Z0idburg> I'd be kind of cool if Lua could be booted in immutable mode
L708[21:19:02] <Z0idburg> so everything was immutable
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L716[23:13:29] * Izaya frowns at oppm
L717[23:13:54] <Izaya> it forcibly clears the screen, even when you do io.popen() and read everything it outputs
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L719[23:50:49] <Izaya> alright
L720[23:50:57] <Izaya> my installer program can now directly use oppm program.cfgs
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