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L7[02:39:16] 
<Forecaster>
%loot
<Forecaster>
%lootL8[02:39:16] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You get
a loot box! It contains a broken .zip.
L9[03:07:57] <IzayaPhone> So.
L10[03:08:00] <IzayaPhone> I have
internet.
L11[03:08:06] <IzayaPhone> But I can't log
in to my router.
L12[03:08:17] <IzayaPhone> So I can't set
up a DMZ or set it to bridged mode.
L13[03:13:12] <Forecaster>
ohno
<Forecaster>
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L16[03:21:00] <Izaya> Well holy fuck.
L17[03:21:03] <Izaya> I fixed it.
L18[03:21:08] <Izaya> ISP tech support was
useless.
L19[03:21:26] <Inari> What was broken?
:P
L20[03:22:08] <Izaya> The DSL username and
password.
L21[03:24:14] <Inari> Well, that does sound
like your fault at least xD
L22[03:25:15] <Izaya> They sent it and said
I didn't have to touch it.
L23[03:25:19] <Izaya> So I didn't and it
didn't work.
L24[03:25:45] <Inari> I see
L25[03:25:55] <Inari> I believe we had a
similar case once, changing contracts or so
L26[03:26:02] <Inari> They sent us new
login data
L27[03:26:16] <Inari> But told us we don't
have to bother with that, they'll keep the old data
L28[03:26:19] <Inari> Did they? Nope
:P
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L31[04:03:51] <Inari> %pet AmandaC in her
sleep
L32[04:03:52] *
MichiBot brushes AmandaC in her sleep with reverse thrust. 4 health
gained!
L33[04:35:47] <Forecaster>
that doesn't sound pleasant
<Forecaster>
that doesn't sound pleasantL34[04:45:35] ⇨
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L35[04:45:42] <licen150> так
L36[04:45:47] <licen150> кто тут щас
есть?
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L39[04:53:42] <Forecaster>
licen1502 this is an english channel
<Forecaster>
licen1502 this is an english channelL40[04:55:21] ⇦
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L46[06:21:01] <MGR>
Brutal
<MGR>
BrutalL47[06:30:27] <Forecaster>
that's pretty terrible
<Forecaster>
that's pretty terribleL48[06:31:25] <MGR>
Yup
<MGR>
YupL49[06:31:33] <Forecaster>
oh wow
<Forecaster>
oh wowL50[06:31:40] <Forecaster>
there's a poop kigurumi...
<Forecaster>
there's a poop kigurumi...L51[06:31:41] <Forecaster>
why...
<Forecaster>
why...L53[06:35:01] <Forecaster>
xD
<Forecaster>
xDL54[06:36:50] <Saphire> I...
L55[06:36:56] <Saphire> I am still confused
by this line
L56[06:37:04] <Saphire> "4 Feb, 2018 -
Sid Meier's Civilization VI - Retail "
L57[06:37:13] <Saphire> ...where the heck
did I get it?
L58[06:37:58] <Forecaster>
wherever you were on the 4th of February? :P
<Forecaster>
wherever you were on the 4th of February? :PL59[06:48:03] ⇦
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L61[07:33:25] <Forecaster>
shoot, there's no way to do what I want without javascript
<Forecaster>
shoot, there's no way to do what I want without javascriptL62[07:34:14] <Forecaster>
not yet at least
<Forecaster>
not yet at leastL63[07:38:39] <Izaya> https://i.redditmedia.com/GjbPJYBZalnk6V4gFBBsTUuSN86FUOQrLSucMJHddWw.png?s=e790748a10dd51efbb97be9485b0ab7e
L64[07:38:45] <Inari> Is there no way to
have like "Save and Open" for a download in firefox
L65[07:41:58] <Forecaster>
inari addon?
<Forecaster>
inari addon?L66[07:42:25] <Izaya> probably can't do
that now that firefox only supports chrome addons
L67[07:45:05] <Inari> @Forecaster not sure
an addon can modify the download stuff
L68[07:45:36] <Izaya> DownThemAll does but
that's a firefox addon
L69[07:47:08] <Forecaster>
you're out of luck then :P
<Forecaster>
you're out of luck then :PL70[07:47:10] <Forecaster>
%loot
<Forecaster>
%lootL71[07:47:10] <MichiBot> Forecaster: You
get a loot box! It contains a portable stick.
L72[07:47:15] <Forecaster>
yay
<Forecaster>
yayL73[07:47:34] <Izaya> I'm sure once addons
can modify the UI again it'll be an option
L74[07:47:37] <Izaya> give it a few
years
L75[07:48:21] <Inari> It's annoying to have
to wait for it to be downloaded and then manualy open it :P
L76[07:49:00] <AmandaC> Inari: in chrome at
least clicking on a currently-running download makes it open the
fifle when it finishes downloading
L77[07:49:07] <Inari> Yeah
L78[07:49:10] <Inari> But in FF it
doesn't
L79[07:49:11] <Inari> :<
L80[07:49:32] <ben_mkiv> thats because
firefox tries to be everything but usable
L81[07:49:49] <MGR>
^
<MGR>
^L82[07:50:12] <Inari> And "Open"
is annoying because then it just sticks it into some temp folder
and deletes it later
L83[07:50:16] <Inari> But in most cases I
want it still around
L84[07:50:55] <Inari> I really need to edit
htis extension and remove "CLose Other tabs"
L85[07:50:57] <Inari> Such a pain
L86[07:52:08] *
ben_mkiv hates villagers -.-
L87[07:52:23] <ben_mkiv> they always try to
sell me stuff even so i've canceled the event -.-
L88[07:54:26] <Forecaster>
if the program it opens in allows you to save use that?
<Forecaster>
if the program it opens in allows you to save use that?L89[07:55:23] <ben_mkiv> write a daemon
which watches your download path and asks you for every new file
created if it should open it when its done downloading :>
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L97[09:03:45] <MGR>
https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3031k3/mobile_troubleshooting_really_shouldnt_be_mobile/
<MGR>
https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3031k3/mobile_troubleshooting_really_shouldnt_be_mobile/L98[09:10:27] <Forecaster>
https://www.webtoons.com/en/comedy/safely-endangered/ep-361-movie-trailer/
<Forecaster>
https://www.webtoons.com/en/comedy/safely-endangered/ep-361-movie-trailer/L99[09:10:34] <Forecaster>
trailes amirite
<Forecaster>
trailes amiriteL100[09:14:46] <Izaya> Tonight has been a
bust :|
L101[09:15:03] <Izaya> I'm going to
bed.
L102[09:16:04] <Inari> Izaya: Meow?
L103[09:16:22] *
Izaya gives Inari tea
L104[09:17:49] <Inari> Meow!
L105[09:21:14] <Forecaster>
well, at least it wasn't a whole statue
<Forecaster>
well, at least it wasn't a whole statueL106[09:22:29] <Inari> Haha
L107[09:40:29] <MGR>
https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3e6tpt/a_million_little_fibres_a_flood_of_lies/
<MGR>
https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3e6tpt/a_million_little_fibres_a_flood_of_lies/L108[09:57:47]
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L110[10:12:08] <AmandaC> %choose keep
waiting or do something else
L111[10:12:08] <MichiBot> AmandaC: keep
waiting
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L114[10:17:43] <Skiuileuf> Hello
L115[10:17:44] <ben_mkiv> AmandaC, ive
added cool features to openentity :>
L116[10:18:03] <ben_mkiv> like you can now
bind a hotkey in controls and use it to trigger a signal on the
computer^
L117[10:18:47] <Skiuileuf> Amazing
L118[10:19:21] <Skiuileuf> Are there any
commands?
L119[10:19:32] <Skiuileuf> Idk how this
irc stuff works
L120[10:19:47] <MGR> It's a
communication service
<MGR> It's a
communication serviceL121[10:19:56] <MGR> What
commands are you looking for?
<MGR> What
commands are you looking for?L122[10:20:17] <AmandaC> ben_mkiv:
interesting. I should pick MC backc up
L123[10:20:37] <ben_mkiv> yea you better
wait for curse to approve the file xD
L124[10:20:42] <Skiuileuf> Hmm.. List?
Disconnect? Things like that
L125[10:20:57] <ben_mkiv> you disconnect
by closing your client
L126[10:21:08] <ben_mkiv> and it should
show you a userlist, usually on the right?!
L127[10:21:22] <Skiuileuf> Also does
Plan9k work on a tier2 computer?
L128[10:21:23] <MGR>
Disconnect is /quit
<MGR>
Disconnect is /quitL129[10:22:14] <Skiuileuf> Ok
L130[10:22:30] <Skiuileuf> What is the
default resolution of a tier 1 monitor?
L131[10:23:11] <MGR> I
think 80x25
<MGR> I
think 80x25L132[10:23:52] <Skiuileuf> Owke... also is
there a discor-like program that allows me to connect to a discord
server?
L133[10:24:23] <AmandaC> Not likely, since
that's against the Discord TOS
L134[10:24:35] <ben_mkiv> 50x16 is
tier1
L135[10:25:01] <Skiuileuf> Right.. well..
thanks
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L138[10:27:02] <Skiuileuf> I'm back
L139[10:27:30] <MGR>
Hi
<MGR>
HiL140[10:27:37] <Skiuileuf> Are there any
advertiing channels?
L141[10:27:47] <Skiuileuf>
*advertising
L142[10:27:50] <MGR> What
are you advertising?
<MGR> What
are you advertising?L143[10:28:05] <Skiuileuf> A server
L144[10:28:22] <MGR>
Uhhhh
<MGR>
UhhhhL145[10:28:24] <MGR> I'm
not sure
<MGR> I'm
not sureL146[10:28:26] <Skiuileuf> Basically
factions but better
L147[10:29:22] <Skiuileuf> Like. we have
countries, diplomacy, politics
L148[10:29:33] <Skiuileuf> Can you check
the rules?
L149[10:31:16] <MGR> This
isn't the channel for that
<MGR> This
isn't the channel for thatL150[10:31:26] <MGR> I
don't know if there is a channel. I can't check every channel on
EsperNet
<MGR> I
don't know if there is a channel. I can't check every channel on
EsperNetL151[10:32:37] <Skiuileuf> Hmm.. is there
a command to list channels
L152[10:32:43] <Skiuileuf> ?
L153[10:32:55] <MGR> I
think /list
<MGR> I
think /listL154[10:33:50] <Skiuileuf> I need a bigger
monitor
L155[10:34:28] <MGR> You
could either switch to a T2/3 setup, or connect from your real
computer
<MGR> You
could either switch to a T2/3 setup, or connect from your real
computerL156[10:35:30] <Skiuileuf> I have a T2
setup with a T1 monitor
L157[10:35:47] <MGR> Get a
T2 monitor+GPU
<MGR> Get a
T2 monitor+GPUL158[10:36:20] <Skiuileuf> Getting a t2
monitor
L159[10:36:34] <Skiuileuf> Resources are
rare on this server
L160[10:37:13] <MGR> You
could connect from your real computer if you don't want to use the
resources
<MGR> You
could connect from your real computer if you don't want to use the
resourcesL161[10:37:43] <Skiuileuf> Nah.. it's
fine..
L162[10:39:33] <Skiuileuf> A few days ago
I found a huge iron vein
L163[10:39:42] <Skiuileuf> Also a gold
one
L164[10:39:57] <Skiuileuf> Can I hot-swap
the cpu?
L165[10:40:04] <MGR>
No
<MGR>
NoL166[10:40:15] <Skiuileuf> Grrr...
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L169[10:40:45] <Skiuileuf> Back
L170[10:42:16] <Skiuileuf> Can I have
multiple displays?
L171[10:42:32] <Skiuileuf> Like.. 1 tier 1
, 1 tier 2 etc
L172[10:42:48] <MGR> You'd
need multiple GPU's, and either additional software, or a different
OS
<MGR> You'd
need multiple GPU's, and either additional software, or a different
OSL173[10:42:51] <AmandaC> in one
multiblock? no, seperately attached, sure
L174[10:43:01] <MGR> OpenOS
doesn't have native support to my knowledge
<MGR> OpenOS
doesn't have native support to my knowledgeL175[10:43:36] <Skiuileuf> What about
plan9k?
L176[10:43:39] <Skiuileuf> Where does it
work?
L177[10:44:14] <Skiuileuf> Also now one of
my cards has to go..
L178[10:45:01] <Skiuileuf> Would a server
rack allow more cards?
L179[10:45:31] <MGR> Plan9K
replaces OpenOS. Yes, a server rack allows more cards
<MGR> Plan9K
replaces OpenOS. Yes, a server rack allows more cardsL180[10:45:58] <Skiuileuf> Thanks
L181[10:46:22] <MGR> You're
welcome
<MGR> You're
welcomeL182[10:47:01] <Skiuileuf> I guess I'll
try plan9k
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L184[10:47:53] <MGR>
Uhm
<MGR>
UhmL185[10:50:35] <AmandaC> %choose send or
don't
L186[10:50:35] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
send
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L188[10:52:16] <Skiuileuf> I think I
should make an APU
L189[10:52:49] <Skiuileuf> Actually... I
can't make a tier 2 one
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L191[11:09:54] <ben_mkiv> what do you
expect from plan9k to be better?
L192[11:10:01] <ben_mkiv> afaik it wasnt
updated for a while
L193[11:10:11] <ben_mkiv> but openos still
gets regular updates
L194[11:11:37] <MGR>
^
<MGR>
^L195[11:11:43] <MGR> Alas,
he left
<MGR> Alas,
he leftL196[11:14:59] <AmandaC> They left
L197[11:15:14] *
AmandaC reed gud
L198[11:28:56] <AmandaC> in other news,
Google reads @MGR's IRC nick really weirdly
L199[11:29:10] <MGR>
Oh?
<MGR>
Oh?L200[11:29:35] <MGR> It
pulled up my really old MC mod for me
<MGR> It
pulled up my really old MC mod for meL201[11:30:17] <AmandaC> https://www.google.com/search?q=translate&oq=translate&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1423j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Click the speaker
L202[11:30:25] <AmandaC> ... good job,
me
L203[11:30:45] <MGR>
Ohhhhhhh
<MGR>
OhhhhhhhL204[11:30:50] <AmandaC> Type
MajGenRelativity then click the speaker
L205[11:30:52] <MGR> I
can't listen to it right now, but I will later
<MGR> I
can't listen to it right now, but I will laterL206[11:31:18] <AmandaC> I had my Pixel
Buds read the notification out since I was AFK when it hit
L207[11:31:25] <MGR>
Internally, I use Major General Relativity, but the way the
shortened form is pronounced is
"Mage-Gen-Relativity"
<MGR>
Internally, I use Major General Relativity, but the way the
shortened form is pronounced is
"Mage-Gen-Relativity"L208[11:31:35] <MGR> Ah
ok
<MGR> Ah
okL209[11:31:46] <AmandaC> It seems to have
trouble with "Relativity" even, at least, it doesn't
pronounce it how I would
L210[11:31:55] <AmandaC> Almost sounds
lyrical
L211[11:32:40] <MGR> You
have me intrigued
<MGR> You
have me intriguedL212[11:32:45] <MGR> I
shall listen to it ASAP
<MGR> I
shall listen to it ASAPL213[11:37:20] ⇦
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L214[11:41:53] <Guest13> payonel, this may
be a renegade thought, but why not keep openos in its current state
and let people extend it themselves from this point? I think openos
is really helpful, because one can start experimenting with
component apis in a little friendlier environment, and it is needed
at least for writing eeproms and filesystems. But if you care about
memory efficiency really much, why not keep it to bare minimum, and
move everything else to separate
L215[11:41:53] <Guest13> locations
(e.g.oppm - not that i'm fan of oppm myself, imho it needs
revising)? Specifically, I've never really understood the need of
/lib/robot.lua wrapper. Does it really add anything to
usability?
L216[11:45:48] <Forecaster>
technically a server rack allows no cards :P
<Forecaster>
technically a server rack allows no cards :PL217[11:46:39] <Alex404>
are buildcraft pipes still able to access a tank inside a
robot?
<Alex404>
are buildcraft pipes still able to access a tank inside a
robot?L218[11:46:52] <Alex404>
because it seems not
<Alex404>
because it seems notL219[11:46:52] <Forecaster>
probably
<Forecaster>
probablyL220[11:47:08] <Forecaster>
oh, then no
<Forecaster>
oh, then noL222[11:47:52] <Alex404>
then the second question
<Alex404>
then the second questionL223[11:48:05] <Alex404> is
this a bug, or its working as intended?
<Alex404> is
this a bug, or its working as intended?L224[11:48:11] <Forecaster>
no clue
<Forecaster>
no clueL225[11:48:27] <Forecaster>
check commits if one of them says anything about robot tanks I
guess
<Forecaster>
check commits if one of them says anything about robot tanks I
guessL226[11:48:43] <Forecaster>
or if there's an open issue about this
<Forecaster>
or if there's an open issue about thisL227[11:48:49] <Forecaster>
or closed I guess
<Forecaster>
or closed I guessL228[11:48:52] <ben_mkiv> may also depend
on how the mod interacts with stuff like that
L229[11:49:10] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L230[11:49:11] *
MichiBot pets AmandaC with the forbidden trope. 7 health
gained!
L231[11:49:18] <Forecaster>
well, if the tank is exposed by the block it should connect
<Forecaster>
well, if the tank is exposed by the block it should connectL232[11:49:27] <Forecaster>
since it's the forge fluid system
<Forecaster>
since it's the forge fluid systemL233[11:49:44] <ben_mkiv> most mods use
capabilities nowadays
L234[11:49:56] <ben_mkiv> no idea if the
robot does, but maybe pipes from another mod work?
L235[11:50:08] <Forecaster>
^ that, try that
<Forecaster>
^ that, try thatL236[11:51:18] <ben_mkiv> and/or try to
make a connection with a wrench
L237[11:51:27] <ben_mkiv> maybe it doesnt
detect the robot as block
L238[11:54:10] <Alex404>
will try with the wrench
<Alex404>
will try with the wrenchL239[11:54:18] <Alex404> I
don't have other mods with fluid pipes so...
<Alex404> I
don't have other mods with fluid pipes so...L240[11:54:37] <Forecaster>
so add one, for testing
<Forecaster>
so add one, for testingL241[11:55:33] <AmandaC> does the robot
have a tank upgrade?
L242[11:55:40] <Alex404> of
course
<Alex404> of
courseL243[11:55:59] <Alex404>
maybe oc has removed any compatibility with buildcraft?
<Alex404>
maybe oc has removed any compatibility with buildcraft?L244[11:56:07] <Alex404> I
know that the energy is not supported
<Alex404> I
know that the energy is not supportedL245[11:56:27] <Forecaster>
there shouldn't be any specific compatibility for fluids
<Forecaster>
there shouldn't be any specific compatibility for fluidsL246[11:56:30] <Forecaster>
energy is very different
<Forecaster>
energy is very differentL247[11:58:25] <ben_mkiv> oc has its own
internal energy system
L248[11:58:36] <ben_mkiv> its just that
computers/racks accept RF/EU, too
L249[11:59:07] <Forecaster>
pretty sure Alex knew that :P
<Forecaster>
pretty sure Alex knew that :PL250[11:59:16] <Alex404>
yes indeed
<Alex404>
yes indeedL251[11:59:23] <Alex404>
the problem is when bc returns to mj
<Alex404>
the problem is when bc returns to mjL252[11:59:51] <Alex404>
and its difficult for other energy sink mods to make compaibility
with it
<Alex404>
and its difficult for other energy sink mods to make compaibility
with itL253[12:00:08] <Forecaster>
well, their API isn't done yet
<Forecaster>
well, their API isn't done yetL254[12:00:35] <Alex404>
and I mean only mod that utilize energy. I know they whant to make
energy separated from the horribly umbalanced rf production
<Alex404>
and I mean only mod that utilize energy. I know they whant to make
energy separated from the horribly umbalanced rf productionL255[12:01:06] <Alex404>
and I mean only mod that utilize energy. I know they only want to
make energy separated from the horribly umbalanced rf production
[Edited]
<Alex404>
and I mean only mod that utilize energy. I know they only want to
make energy separated from the horribly umbalanced rf production
[Edited]L256[12:01:39] <ben_mkiv> any mod config
can be edited, so i dont see a problem with insane rf producing
mods
L257[12:02:16] <Alex404>
tell them
<Alex404>
tell themL258[12:02:23] <ben_mkiv> not using forge
energy will just lead to converter mods
L259[12:02:40] <ben_mkiv> na, people who
do such decisions arent easy to talk with xD
L260[12:02:59] <Alex404>
Right now i'm using forestry engines for powering my base and
cannot use stirling engines to do the same XD
<Alex404>
Right now i'm using forestry engines for powering my base and
cannot use stirling engines to do the same XDL261[12:03:36] <ben_mkiv> even ic2 got
pwned by other mods...
L262[12:03:49] <ben_mkiv> looking at
nuclearcraft, fluxnetworks, and other stuff :>
L263[12:04:11] <Forecaster>
but it's configurable
<Forecaster>
but it's configurableL264[12:04:16] <Forecaster>
I wonder why that would be
<Forecaster>
I wonder why that would beL265[12:04:48] <ben_mkiv> and there are
modpacks who actually use more balanced configs
L266[12:07:30] <Alex404> ok
i'm not sure if i'm using those pipes right but inductive logistics
fluid extraction pipe and fluid injection pipe are not
working
<Alex404> ok
i'm not sure if i'm using those pipes right but inductive logistics
fluid extraction pipe and fluid injection pipe are not
workingL267[12:07:45] <Alex404>
they connect to buildcraft tanks butnot to the robot
<Alex404>
they connect to buildcraft tanks butnot to the robotL268[12:08:17]
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L269[12:12:31] <Skiuileuf> Test
L270[12:12:46] <MGR>
Hi
<MGR>
HiL271[12:13:11] <Skiuileuf> Hi
L272[12:13:35] <payonel> Guest13: [[ there
might be two or more navigation upgrades installed. analyze()
method should probably have then a parameter for navigation upgrade
uuid ]] but why? why does it matter which nav to use?
L273[12:15:17] <payonel> Guest13: and
about leaving openos where it is and move on to openos+ to do more.
well, because i'm happy in core openos land. :)
L274[12:16:56] <Guest13> payonel,
navigation upgrades can have different origin, thus coordinates
would be different
L275[12:17:59] <payonel> oh bleh
L276[12:18:00] <payonel> :)
L277[12:18:10] <Guest13> i don't really
find this reasonable, I would prefer navigation upgrades to give
world coordinates instead, because one could annotate every map
with its actual origin coordinates
L278[12:18:22] <Guest13> that's just
really unnecessary complification
L279[12:18:33] <payonel> Guest13: there
are two groups of us devs on that subject specifically
L280[12:18:45] <payonel> those of us that
don't really care either way (let it be abs, let it be relative,
meh)
L281[12:19:06] <payonel> and those of us
that feel quite strongly that "but muh immersion!" and
thus relative only
L282[12:19:10] <ben_mkiv> and these who
would also stick to MJ for buildcraft
L283[12:19:12] <payonel> so, the union of
that is, relative only
L284[12:19:42] <ben_mkiv> i think relative
is fine for OC
L285[12:19:49] <Guest13> allright, i'm all
for immersion myself too. I just think that in this case it doesn't
really add anything, because of the reason above
L286[12:19:57] <ben_mkiv> that hopefully
drives someone to make a mod which adds GPS
L287[12:20:15] <payonel> but honestly,
just make a map from 0,0 and done
L288[12:20:15] <ben_mkiv> good thing, you
only need 3 satelites as the mc world is flat \o/
L289[12:20:16] <payonel> :)
L290[12:20:25] <Guest13> ben_mkiv, you
have too launch satellite group for that)
L291[12:20:34] <Alex404> Im
sure they know that the navigation upgrade is not very useful
<Alex404> Im
sure they know that the navigation upgrade is not very usefulL292[12:20:41] <ben_mkiv> yea Guest13
thats what i thought of
L293[12:20:55] <Alex404> I
like it when I make sorting drones
<Alex404> I
like it when I make sorting dronesL294[12:21:01] <Guest13> alex404 I have a
use case. Or I will have, when tablets get fixed
L295[12:21:26] <ben_mkiv> actually, they
work well with waypoints
L296[12:21:33] <Guest13> exactly.
L297[12:21:35] <Alex404>
When I use robots, I prefer to store the boot coordinates as 0,0
and count
<Alex404>
When I use robots, I prefer to store the boot coordinates as 0,0
and countL298[12:21:47] <Alex404>
yes, waypoints are really useful
<Alex404>
yes, waypoints are really usefulL299[12:21:56] <Guest13> Alex404 I've got
a component.robot wrapper for that
L300[12:23:15] <payonel> Guest13: we
probably shouldn't change the action key away from the mouse
click
L301[12:23:24] <Guest13> except I keep an
option to override the boot coordinates manually, or with
navigation upgrade
L302[12:23:43] <Guest13> payonel, yeah.
maybe M + RMB?
L303[12:23:59] <payonel> maybe
L304[12:24:02] <Guest13> I'm not sure if
M+ is a standard modifier, or just a lot of mods use it
L305[12:24:55] <payonel> but to me that is
less priority than: 1. api to invoke analyze (might call it scan),
2. api to enable/disable the high glyph and the ability to scan, 3.
fix the signal data [serialize the table]
L306[12:24:59] <Guest13> I'd prefer RMB
for action, shift+RMB for UI, and an OFF button in the UI. This
adds some inconsistency though, because most of UIs are opened with
RMB
L307[12:26:17] <payonel> Guest13: tell you
what, if you have multiple nav comps, you get multiple nav
responses
L308[12:26:18] <payonel> simple
L309[12:26:22] <payonel> the meta can hold
the addr
L310[12:26:30] <payonel> bam
L311[12:26:32] *
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L313[12:27:15] <Guest13> allright i'm
unable to object after this sort of presentation)
L314[12:27:36] <AmandaC> Who what when
why?
L315[12:27:45] <payonel> bc we're
cool
L316[12:27:47] <payonel> that's why
L317[12:27:49] <AmandaC> ah
L318[12:28:12] *
AmandaC is waiting for Nextcloud to sync her music to her gaming
machine
L319[12:30:42] <Skiuileuf> * tests
something *
L320[12:30:51] <Skiuileuf> * It does not
work like that *
L321[12:31:03] <Guest13> /me
L322[12:31:15] *
Skiuileuf [Oh!]
L323[12:31:34] *
Skiuileuf died.
L324[12:39:21] <Skiuileuf> Finally I
managed to automate charcoal
L325[12:43:33] <Guest13> what trees do you
use?
L326[12:43:46] <Guest13> s/trees/kind of
trees/
L327[12:43:46] <MichiBot> <Guest13>
what kind of trees do you use?
L328[12:44:45] <Guest13> I think it was
the first thing that i did: automated charcoal with birches to fuel
industrialcraft reactors. but they are really not space-efficient.
Thick pines are much much better
L329[12:45:48] <Skiuileuf> Oak
L330[12:46:02] <Guest13> with height
limit?
L331[12:46:15] <Skiuileuf> I have Ancient
Warfare tree cutters
L332[12:46:23] <Skiuileuf> Those things
are smart enough
L333[12:46:26] <Guest13> oh ok
L334[12:46:39] <Skiuileuf> So I don't need
to worry about the trees' size
L335[12:47:16] <Skiuileuf> Also I am using
an Expanded Industry distributor
L336[12:47:26] <Skiuileuf> To split the
output of the farm
L337[12:47:46] <Skiuileuf> Then 2 furnaces
connected to an Immersive Engineering External Heater
L338[12:48:37] <Guest13> http://shadersmods.com/world-curvature-shaders-mod/
L339[12:48:43] <Guest13> ben_mkiv, ^
L340[12:52:58] <ben_mkiv> trippy...
L341[12:56:04] <Guest13> just tried it, it
looks more like a rounded rectangle than a circle:(
L342[12:57:11] <Skiuileuf> Omg baked
apples from Apple Milk Tea are soooo good
L343[12:58:18] <Guest13> also, if you
lunch a satellite over the flat earth, you can't keep it on a
steady orbit, it will just fall down. It's better to use some sort
of dirigibles
L344[12:58:43] <Forecaster>
baloons!
<Forecaster>
baloons!L345[12:59:12] <Skiuileuf> What is the
<Text? think?
L346[12:59:19] <Guest13> actually, i think
we can do that with OC already
L347[12:59:21] <Skiuileuf> ** <Text>
thing
L348[12:59:37] <Guest13> robot wireless
modems report distance the signal has travelled
L349[12:59:43] <Forecaster>
magic
<Forecaster>
magicL350[12:59:44] <Guest13> what was wifi2
max distance, again?
L351[12:59:52] <ben_mkiv> they do?
L352[12:59:57] <Guest13> yeah
L353[13:00:05] <ben_mkiv> oh cool
L354[13:00:32] <Guest13> one can build
cellular towers with a microcontroller on top, solar panel upgrade
and wifi2 equipped
L355[13:00:39] <Guest13> no need in robots
actually
L356[13:00:48] <Guest13> and design
gps-like algorithm for that
L357[13:00:57] <Guest13> damn i'm doing
it
L358[13:01:01] <ben_mkiv> well you need 3
towers
L359[13:01:12] <ben_mkiv> and the robot
has to do the triangulation
L360[13:01:12] <Guest13> yeah. the radius
is limited, so actually much more
L361[13:01:15] <Guest13> yeah
L362[13:01:32] <ben_mkiv> how about height
difference?
L363[13:01:52] <ben_mkiv> well, robot
could keep track of that i guess?!
L364[13:02:01] <Guest13> ben_mkiv, i
think, it can be calculated by 3 points too
L365[13:02:15] <Guest13> because you can't
put robots above 256 or something i guess
L366[13:03:58] <Guest13> yeah the height
is an issue
L367[13:04:09] <Guest13> robot can track
it, but it can track x/z as well then
L368[13:04:28] <ben_mkiv> idk how gps
works
L369[13:04:34] <ben_mkiv> well only
barely
L370[13:05:07] <Guest13> maybe one out of
7 towers should have dual microcontrollers on different
heights
L371[13:05:46] <Guest13> gps need much
more precision than we need: 1) they are influenced by general
relativity 2) they are subject to measurement errors
L372[13:07:09] <Guest13> actually, 1/3,
not 1/7
L373[13:07:39] <MGR> For a
minute, I thought you were talking about me
<MGR> For a
minute, I thought you were talking about meL374[13:08:06] <Alex404>
would really a robot need more than 1 signal sender?
<Alex404>
would really a robot need more than 1 signal sender?L375[13:08:06] <Guest13> why?)
L376[13:08:34] <Alex404> I
know how to work in reality. Doesn't the modem calculate the
distance already as X,Y,Z?
<Alex404> I
know how to work in reality. Doesn't the modem calculate the
distance already as X,Y,Z?L377[13:08:58] <Guest13> robot needs just
1. actually, it doesn't need to send anything, one can setup towers
to broadcast signal every second or smth. if that's covered by
solar panel at least
L378[13:09:31] <Guest13> the modem does it
internally, probably. we don't have access to that
L379[13:10:11] <Guest13> also, we have
another resource: robot coordinates are always integer. So if we
setup towers on specific different heights, we might not need
towers with dual microcontroller
L380[13:10:23] <Guest13> possibly. not
sure yet
L381[13:11:19] <ben_mkiv> but yeah you
might be able to do it with 3 towers
L382[13:11:51] <Guest13> 3 towers,
definitely, is enough. the question is if some towers need dual
transmitter on different heights
L383[13:12:00] <ben_mkiv> dont think
so
L384[13:12:17] <Alex404> I
really like this idea
<Alex404> I
really like this ideaL385[13:12:22] <ben_mkiv> if you move the
robot up (closer to transmitters) you get another distance than 10
blocks down
L386[13:12:46] <Guest13> ben_mkiv, yeah.
there is another possible point, mirrored by the plane going
through 3 towers
L387[13:12:50] <ben_mkiv> you probably
have to calculate more than the tri between the towers
L388[13:13:18] <Guest13> so with 3 towers
you can deduct robot position down to 2 possible points, one that's
below towers' plane, and one that is above
L389[13:13:38] <ben_mkiv> yea, thats why
they belong on bedrock or skylimit
L390[13:13:38] <ben_mkiv> :P
L391[13:14:14] <Guest13> ben_mkiv, yeah, i
thought of that too. but that would require to put towers more
densely, because transmission distance is limited
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L393[13:16:31] <Guest13> also, with 3
towers, and without integer magic: robot can do a measurement, then
go one block up, and do a measurement again. he then can deduct
whether he's above the plane, or below
L394[13:16:41] <Guest13> it's less
convenient though
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L396[13:19:10] <Alex404>
would be different with 4?
<Alex404>
would be different with 4?L397[13:19:32] <Guest13> if they are not
all on the same height, then yes
L398[13:20:30] <Alex404>
I'm thinking about trusting a robot that it will not go 128y up or
down every minute, and make it remember if hes up or down
<Alex404>
I'm thinking about trusting a robot that it will not go 128y up or
down every minute, and make it remember if hes up or downL399[13:21:29] <Alex404>
After that, if It needs to reboot, it can always make a vertical
movement check to be sure if hes +128 or -128
<Alex404>
After that, if It needs to reboot, it can always make a vertical
movement check to be sure if hes +128 or -128L400[13:22:01] <Alex404>
Its less than ideal, tho
<Alex404>
Its less than ideal, thoL401[13:22:16] <Alex404>
And would not work on a cubic chunks world
<Alex404>
And would not work on a cubic chunks worldL402[13:23:20] <Guest13> i think it's
reasonable to just use dual transmitter on 1/3 towers
L403[13:26:29] <Guest13> so you first
triangulate your location down to 2 possible points with 3
transmitters on the same height; then you use the 4th transmitted
data to find if it's more or less distant then another transmitter
on the same tower
L404[13:26:51] <Alex404>
I'm afraid the energy to send a message in a way that its
convenient to make towers will be pretty high
<Alex404>
I'm afraid the energy to send a message in a way that its
convenient to make towers will be pretty highL405[13:27:12] <Alex404> a
lot more of what a simple solar upgrade will be able to give
<Alex404> a
lot more of what a simple solar upgrade will be able to giveL406[13:27:27] <Guest13> but you don't
have to send them constantly
L407[13:28:45] <Guest13> basically, it's
only needed to do on robot boot: the robot broadcasts request, and
waits for 4 responses. after that he can track his motion
L408[13:28:52] <Alex404>
constantly, probably not. but A robot then sould be able to request
the position again if something go wrong
<Alex404>
constantly, probably not. but A robot then sould be able to request
the position again if something go wrongL409[13:29:08] <Alex404>
true, so the robot need to spend energy to make a request
<Alex404>
true, so the robot need to spend energy to make a requestL410[13:29:15] <Guest13> not really.
robot.move() returns true/false reliably
L411[13:29:30] <Guest13> yeah, it needs to
spend the energy, but just once on boot
L412[13:29:51] <Guest13> but it can rely
on move() return value to track its position reliably after
that
L413[13:30:11] <Alex404>
yes i've already made something similar
<Alex404>
yes i've already made something similarL414[13:30:11] <Guest13> i have a
/boot/50_autonav.lua middleware to do that all the time
L415[13:30:29] <Guest13> regardless if you
forget to check move() return value yourself
L416[13:30:36] <Alex404>
Intereseting
<Alex404>
InteresetingL417[13:31:04] <Guest13> it's really
energy inefficient now, because it tries to keep it's position on
hard drive all the time, so it's not lost on reboot
L418[13:31:05] <Alex404>
I'm playing with this mod to learn lua and programming in general,
so everything i heard here is golden ?
<Alex404>
I'm playing with this mod to learn lua and programming in general,
so everything i heard here is golden ?L419[13:31:10] <Guest13> but with gps it
won't be needed
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L422[13:34:16] <Guest13> same for me here
^_^ i'm just more used to low-level stuff, and I love OC &
openos design
L423[13:34:30] <Guest13> I mean, I *love*
it
L424[13:35:01] <Alex404>
yes
<Alex404>
yesL425[13:35:07] <Alex404>
Its like playing with a turtle program
<Alex404>
Its like playing with a turtle programL426[13:35:16] <Alex404>
you can star with nothing and still have fun
<Alex404>
you can star with nothing and still have funL427[13:36:23] <Guest13> https://gist.github.com/sshilovsky/4c01ee50694cbd970e87cfb13195f8b7
L428[13:42:36] <Guest13> oh yeah, robot
also wants to know it's facing
L429[13:43:00] <Guest13> so it'll have to
do 2 measurements on neighbouring blocks and compare results
L430[13:43:46] <Alex404>
yeah
<Alex404>
yeahL431[13:43:50] <Guest13> or it can just
have a navigation upgrade. I guess, getFacing() works even outside
of map area. not in nether tho
L432[13:43:53] <Guest13> oh my
L433[13:43:55] <Guest13> Nether!
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L435[13:44:13] <Guest13> there are no maps
for nether, and no navigation upgrades working there. but GPS would
work!
L436[13:44:40] <Guest13> actually, I don't
konw if getFacing() works in nether, but I think it shouldn't
L437[13:44:57] <Alex404>
your program is much prettier than mine lol
<Alex404>
your program is much prettier than mine lolL438[13:45:00] <Alex404>
will steal something
<Alex404>
will steal somethingL439[13:45:05] <Guest13> you're
welcome
L440[13:46:12] <Guest13> my main point is
that you override robot component proxy, not /lib/robot.lua
wrapper. It's not perfect still, bc component.invoke() will
probably workaround your wrapper anyway. Or it might. It's
implementation-dependent actually. But probably noone will use it
for robot component in openos
L441[13:47:29] <Guest13> payonel, speaking
of which. does length of lua identifiers influence memory
consumption?
L442[13:49:02] <Inari> https://twitter.com/CuteAnimeGirls_/status/1007329928860164096
pretty clothing AND pretty art <3 <3 <3
L443[13:49:03] <MichiBot> Thu Jun 14
13:32:24 CDT 2018 @CuteAnimeGirls_: https://t.co/aVZycVBRxp
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L445[13:50:03] <Skiuileuf> Hello
again
L446[13:50:12] <MGR>
Hi
<MGR>
HiL447[13:50:34] <Alex404> I
guess is ot time again lol
<Alex404> I
guess is ot time again lolL448[13:52:55] <Skiuileuf> Right.. so
+Corded is like a title?
L449[13:53:05] <MGR> It's a
bridge bot
<MGR> It's a
bridge botL450[13:53:08] <MGR> I'm on
Discord
<MGR> I'm on
DiscordL451[13:53:25] <MGR> Major
General Relativity, at your service
<MGR> Major
General Relativity, at your serviceL452[13:53:42] <Skiuileuf> Nice
L453[13:53:52] <Skiuileuf> How does that
bot work?
L454[13:54:18] <MGR> It
receives messages on IRC/Discord and spits them out on the other
end
<MGR> It
receives messages on IRC/Discord and spits them out on the other
endL455[13:54:51] <MGR> As for
how it works internally, I can take a stab at it (I made my own
very bad bridge), but I don't know how *exactly* it handles
bridging
<MGR> As for
how it works internally, I can take a stab at it (I made my own
very bad bridge), but I don't know how *exactly* it handles
bridgingL456[13:55:01] <Skiuileuf> Oh ok
L457[13:56:15] <Wuerfel_21>
%choose java gunk or java hunk or wii gunk or c64 gunk
<Wuerfel_21>
%choose java gunk or java hunk or wii gunk or c64 gunkL458[13:56:15] <MichiBot> Wuerfel_21: java
gunk
L459[13:56:21] <Guest13> just read some
wiki. actually, creating maps is possible in nether too, i mean
vanilla maps. they are useless for mapping itself, but they report
player position, which is enough for navigation upgrade to
work
L460[13:56:33] <Inari> MGR: But what will
you do when you're promoted
L461[13:56:54] <Guest13> the facing is
still unavailable
L462[13:57:06] <MGR> Inari,
are you talking about the Major General part of my name?
<MGR> Inari,
are you talking about the Major General part of my name?L463[13:57:24] <Inari> Yes
L464[13:57:37] <MGR> In the
headcannnon verse in which I have said rank, it's the highest
?
<MGR> In the
headcannnon verse in which I have said rank, it's the highest
?L465[13:57:57] <Inari> %inv add Major
Special Relativity
L466[13:57:58] *
MichiBot summons 'Major Special Relativity' and adds to her
inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L467[13:58:01] <MGR>
There's a different rank where Major General would normal
fall
<MGR>
There's a different rank where Major General would normal
fallL468[13:58:08] <MGR>
There's a different rank where Major General would normally fall
[Edited]
<MGR>
There's a different rank where Major General would normally fall
[Edited]L469[13:58:23] <MGR> Well,
at least you got the science joke
<MGR> Well,
at least you got the science jokeL470[13:58:40] <Wuerfel_21>
%inv add a micro hexagon
<Wuerfel_21>
%inv add a micro hexagonL471[13:58:41] *
MichiBot summons 'a micro hexagon' and adds to her inventory. This
seems very sturdy.
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L473[14:00:57] <payonel> Guest13:
identifier length and memory consumption? it affects temporary
memory, but quickly gc'd
L474[14:01:16] <payonel> it only affects
the load operation, but the lua bytecode is reduced, and that is
what is stored in memory
L475[14:01:21] <Guest13> ok good to know.
does it work on table keys?
L476[14:01:29] <payonel> that is
different, those are strings
L477[14:01:39] <payonel> it's just super
expensive, i wouldn't worry about it
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L483[16:29:06] <AmandaC> "It's just
super expensive, I wouldn't worry about it"
L484[16:29:12] <AmandaC> That has a weird
mental-feel to it
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L490[18:23:14] <S3> hey guys
L491[18:23:45] <S3> I tested with ocvm,
but can somebody verify with me that nil is a valid modem
message?
L492[18:24:01] <S3> I'm hoping to use it
for signalling
L493[18:28:49] <Guest13> I think I've
found a way to clone items with robot & inventory_controller in
survival
L494[18:29:41] <Guest13> nvm I'm
dumb
L495[18:29:56] <Guest13> which sad in all
senses:(
L496[18:32:23] <S3> also, how many ports
can be open at once in a modem, 16?
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L498[18:42:54] <S3> gnn, I also wonder if
you can send a message to yourself
L499[18:43:17] <S3> probably
L500[18:43:21] <S3> hmm*
L501[18:43:31] <S3> could be useful for
some things
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L503[20:00:44] *
Saphire giggles
L504[20:23:09] <Guest13> modem.send() or
broadcast() doesn't send message to self
L505[20:23:29] <Guest13> and modem tier 1
number of open ports is limited to just 1
L506[20:24:25] <Guest13> my solution is to
overlap the modem with a protocol which will allow any number of
ports on any modem, in expense of a few bytes cut for port number
in the message
L507[20:25:31] <Guest13> having port
numbers in component.tunnel (linked card) is also beneficial. there
is no problem to implement it as well
L508[20:34:04] <Guest13> payonel, are you
familiar with /lib/tty.lua?
L509[20:36:32] <Guest13> It seems I get
tty.window.y = nil at some point, I have no idea how it could be
though
L510[20:36:37] <Izaya> I need to get
around to implementing loopback in minitel
L511[20:37:07] <Izaya> Running everything
over one port is indeed nice too :3
L512[20:41:07] <Guest13> I have only
deducted that it doesn't happen via setCursor() method so far
L513[20:51:08] <Guest13> oh it's
height=nil actually, not y. that makes more sense
L514[21:02:06] <Guest13> turns out, gpu
has two undocumented functions which are used in tty.lua
L515[21:02:34] <Guest13> getViewport,
setViewport
L516[21:38:27] *
Saphire giggles
L517[21:38:34] <Saphire> In some other
chat:
L518[21:39:14] <Saphire> Someone got given
3 days to crack an old expensive encryption protocol, with code 10+
years out of data, docs in Italian.
L519[21:39:40] <Saphire> It was an
"impossible task" to make one fail
L520[21:39:47] <Saphire> ...theeeeeey
cracked it .-.
L521[21:39:59] <Mimiru> lolol
L522[21:40:24] <Saphire> "I've spent
the last 2 days getting paid $50/h to play Flippy Knife. Because
they don't have work for me."
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L524[21:41:27] <Izaya> Did they do a
writeup?
L525[21:43:14] *
Saphire shrug
L526[21:43:18] <Saphire> They're in
telegram chat
L527[21:43:23] <Saphire> ...aaaalso,
heh.
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L529[22:51:10] <CntKillMe>
anyone familiar with C++?
<CntKillMe>
anyone familiar with C++?L530[22:51:10] <CntKillMe>
If I have 2 parameter packs T and I, how would I expand both of
them in this expressiong:
<CntKillMe>
If I have 2 parameter packs T and I, how would I expand both of
them in this expressiong:L532[22:59:28] <CntKillMe>
nvm apparently the last one worked after i wrapped it into a call
that does nothing
<CntKillMe>
nvm apparently the last one worked after i wrapped it into a call
that does nothingL533[23:05:56] <CntKillMe>
woops, push<T>(get<I>(t))... is what ended up
working
<CntKillMe>
woops, push<T>(get<I>(t))... is what ended up
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L543[23:30:54] <payonel> hi
Guest13445
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L547[23:49:49] <Skiuileuf> Helli
L548[23:49:54] <Skiuileuf> * Hello
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L550[23:51:45] <MessageToWrenthen>
Test
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