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L1[00:13:26] <payonel> PrismaticYT: if you found a bug with /bin/install.lua, please do me the favor and make a github issue with repro, thanks!
L2[00:13:37] <payonel> `l` is indeed an alias
L3[00:13:45] <payonel> 1. you can run just `alias` and print all aliases
L4[00:13:55] <payonel> 2. the `l` alias is created in /etc/profile.lua
L5[00:14:27] <payonel> i am unfamiliar with openloader, i do not know what options it supports
L6[00:18:46] <Izaya> payonel: did you see the video :3
L7[00:18:52] <Izaya> the second one
L8[00:19:20] <payonel> i did :) that's really cool
L9[00:19:34] <payonel> but, the command is just 'a' :)
L10[00:19:40] <payonel> not everything is psychos
L11[00:19:56] <Izaya> ?
L12[00:20:46] <payonel> what are the two os's you made?
L13[00:21:00] <Izaya> I did MultICE and PsychOS
L14[00:21:08] <payonel> ah, right
L15[00:21:11] <payonel> multice
L16[00:21:31] <payonel> that's the one where basically everything in the os is done with the absolute shortest command name possible
L17[00:21:37] <Izaya> aye
L18[00:21:48] <payonel> s/psychos/multice/
L19[00:21:48] <MichiBot> <payonel> not everything is multice
L20[00:21:52] <payonel> :)
L21[00:21:53] <Izaya> the 'a' part is just the hostname
L22[00:21:59] <PrismaticYT> payonel: is 1.7.10 still supported?
L23[00:22:05] <payonel> Izaya: ah :)
L24[00:22:10] <payonel> PrismaticYT: that is our default/target version
L25[00:22:12] <Izaya> the 4 machines are a, b, c and d
L26[00:22:14] <PrismaticYT> Ah
L27[00:22:15] <payonel> gotcha
L28[00:22:28] <PrismaticYT> good to know some people still support 1.7.10
L29[00:22:29] <payonel> PrismaticYT: and i merge up from 1.7.10 to 1.12
L30[00:22:42] <payonel> PrismaticYT: i'll support 1.7.10 until someone assassinates me
L31[00:22:58] <PrismaticYT> xD
L32[00:24:47] <payonel> PrismaticYT: right now i support 1.7.10 -> 1.10 -> 1.11 -> 1.12
L33[00:24:55] <PrismaticYT> ah
L34[00:25:03] <Izaya> payonel: you'll be happy to know that I used real variable names and function names and stuff
L35[00:25:05] <payonel> technically, i'm building against 1.12.1, but i'll update that build with 1.12.2 soon
L36[00:25:13] <PrismaticYT> is ssh (Plan9k) supported in OpenOS?
L37[00:25:19] <payonel> Izaya: two letters this time?
L38[00:25:26] <payonel> PrismaticYT: no
L39[00:25:35] <PrismaticYT> ah
L40[00:25:35] <Izaya> :P more like 4-8
L41[00:25:37] <payonel> PrismaticYT: i have a payo-ssh (pssh) oppm project
L42[00:25:39] <payonel> but it's outdated
L43[00:25:45] <payonel> i've just been too busy to fix it
L44[00:25:46] <payonel> one day
L45[00:26:03] <PrismaticYT> is the ssh address the address from the address command?
L46[00:27:05] <payonel> the pssh address is the computer.address()
L47[00:27:15] <payonel> ssh probably works the same? maybe it uses the modem device address
L48[00:27:17] <payonel> i'm not sure
L49[00:27:31] <payonel> i've HARDLY used plan9k
L50[00:27:37] <payonel> i didn't write it
L51[00:28:27] <PrismaticYT> is computer.address settable?
L52[00:28:37] <PrismaticYT> print(computer.address())
L53[00:28:40] <PrismaticYT> wait
L54[00:28:42] <PrismaticYT> wrong console
L55[00:29:44] <PrismaticYT> payonel: I'm assuming the computer address isn't settable?
L56[00:30:01] <payonel> correct, it is not
L57[00:30:09] <payonel> it's a unique id
L58[00:30:11] <payonel> guid
L59[00:30:31] <payonel> you can set machine hostnames, though
L60[00:30:46] <payonel> and you can use that in your protocols
L61[00:30:46] <PrismaticYT> can pssh use hostnames - or does it have to be the address
L62[00:30:49] <payonel> just like Izaya is doing
L63[00:31:10] <payonel> i'll add hostname support for sure, once i get around to fixing pssh
L64[00:31:14] <payonel> pssh needs a lot of rework
L65[00:31:35] <payonel> after i finished pssh, i came back to openos and redid the entire terminal and tty library
L66[00:31:42] * Saphire screams
L67[00:31:45] <Saphire> Aaaaaaaaaa
L68[00:31:49] <Saphire> Fucking mobile browsers.
L69[00:31:59] <Izaya> semi-related, think I should do some more application software or work on getting minitel to work on other systems (read: embedded and PsychOS)?
L70[00:33:30] <payonel> Izaya: write a new os
L71[00:33:32] <payonel> :P
L72[00:33:37] <Izaya> I mean
L73[00:33:40] <Izaya> that's the plan
L74[00:33:43] <payonel> haha
L75[00:33:45] <Izaya> I like the PsychOS scheduler
L76[00:33:53] <Izaya> but I'd like to change just about everything else
L77[00:34:31] <payonel> i wish i could take openos from today, go back 4 years, and redo it and cut out like 50% of the api
L78[00:35:35] <payonel> maybe i'll break everything for 1.8 -- and also write a converter tool for anything written pre-1.8
L79[00:36:10] <PrismaticYT> 1.8 broke eveything xD
L80[00:36:36] <payonel> heh, so you're saying that in the spirit of 1.8, i should break everything for oc 1.8?
L81[00:36:37] <payonel> :)
L82[00:36:43] <PrismaticYT> yeah
L83[00:36:49] <payonel> PrismaticYT: bc i was refering to oc versions, in case you didn't get that
L84[00:37:11] <Izaya> That's the nice thing about having an OS nobody uses - you can break everything as much as you like
L85[00:37:16] <PrismaticYT> OC 1.8: The "EVERYTHING IS BROKEN" update
L86[00:37:21] <Izaya> Research OS as opposed to production, I guess.
L87[00:37:37] <Izaya> Was thinking my focus should probably be on proper embedded stuff though, as the PsychOS stuff is a big job
L88[00:37:54] <PrismaticYT> 1.8 especially broke the skin format with the new skin type
L89[00:37:54] <Izaya> Get a really basic networking stack that will work on EEPROMs
L90[00:38:24] <Izaya> Basic layer 3/4 functionality in preferably under 1k
L91[00:39:00] <PrismaticYT> payonel: and for OC 1.9 you should make usage really slow
L92[00:39:14] <payonel> heh
L93[00:39:28] <Mimiru> @Forecaster OS #44 adds a range option 1-4 which is 8*range power usage was cut to 10 base but it's also 10*range
L94[00:44:17] <PrismaticYT> power usage?
L95[00:44:28] <Saphire> Mobile browsers are fucking hell
L96[00:44:49] <Saphire> Because, guess what? You need to call "request fullscreen" from a user event
L97[00:44:56] <PrismaticYT> What
L98[00:45:08] <Saphire> And to have audio playing, it muddy be also initiated by user
L99[00:45:16] <Saphire> So no audio preloading
L100[00:45:27] <PrismaticYT> oh fun
L101[00:45:33] <Saphire> Now when you're making a small but assets heavy game...
L102[00:45:38] <Saphire> It is /very/ fun
L103[00:46:13] <PrismaticYT> Just put a warning "Not for mobile browsers!"
L104[00:46:22] <PrismaticYT> what browser are you using btw
L105[00:46:40] <Saphire> ... Nah, I guess it will just need a button of "allow browser to actually do shit"
L106[00:47:03] <PrismaticYT> so... superuser access?
L107[00:47:06] <Saphire> Also fun caveat: apparently some browsers restrict volume control from scripts
L108[00:47:17] <PrismaticYT> WHY!?
L109[00:47:21] <Saphire> At least MDN says so
L110[00:47:22] <payonel> Saphire: um ....
L111[00:47:25] <payonel> these are good things
L112[00:47:30] <Saphire> I know
L113[00:47:38] <PrismaticYT> How
L114[00:47:43] <Saphire> But not when I'm making a game :v
L115[00:47:57] <PrismaticYT> payonel: How?
L116[00:48:13] <Saphire> PrismaticYT: well, it stops shut from playing constantly and etc
L117[00:48:19] <Saphire> *shit
L118[00:48:23] <Saphire> Like ads
L119[00:48:33] <Izaya> Wouldn't it be great if you were sitting on the train and an ad came up and started blaring music?
L120[00:48:36] <Saphire> Conserves mobile data
L121[00:48:38] <Saphire> Arc
L122[00:48:40] <Saphire> *etc
L123[00:48:41] <PrismaticYT> > mobile data
L124[00:48:45] <Izaya> Man I'd just love that.
L125[00:48:50] <payonel> i'm also against most things browser related
L126[00:48:56] <PrismaticYT> Sapphire: autocorrect?
L127[00:49:01] <Saphire> PrismaticYT: yup
L128[00:49:01] <payonel> browers should be basic text with formatting
L129[00:49:10] <payonel> meh
L130[00:49:19] * Saphire throws CSS at payo
L131[00:49:22] <Izaya> How is it that our document viewers (web browsers) are the heaviest programs on our systems nowdays?
L132[00:49:22] <payonel> though, i've also never had an interest in browser software development
L133[00:49:28] <Saphire> Hm.. payo. Mayo.
L134[00:49:39] <Saphire> Izaya: lol hardly
L135[00:50:03] <Izaya> Firefox is using more RAM than the game I'm playing.
L136[00:50:06] <Saphire> Browsers are tiny compared to lots of things you have on average Windows
L137[00:50:09] <PrismaticYT> Sapphire: what are you using to host the game?
L138[00:50:15] <Saphire> ... Ah, that
L139[00:50:27] <Izaya> It's also using between 10 and 25% of my CPU time
L140[00:50:31] <Saphire> PrismaticYT: it's an attempt to port a flash game
L141[00:50:35] * payonel remembers the good ol' days when links worked just fine for browsing the web
L142[00:50:50] <Saphire> So I need all the "bad" features
L143[00:51:04] <Saphire> Canvas, audio, input, graphics, etc
L144[00:51:09] <Izaya> may I suggest using a game engine instead of a document viewer?
L145[00:51:24] <Saphire> Izaya: Uh
L146[00:51:32] <payonel> haha, totally
L147[00:51:34] <payonel> Izaya++
L148[00:51:35] <MichiBot> payonel: Izaya now has 1 points
L149[00:52:14] <Saphire> ... Well, I don't think people would like to download a random exe file, first
L150[00:52:25] <Saphire> Second: opengl is even more painful than browsers
L151[00:52:31] <Mimiru> PrismaticYT, yes, power usage in my OC Addon OpenSecurity
L152[00:52:39] <Izaya> Have the source available?
L153[00:52:41] <Mimiru> stuff uses OC power to do things™
L154[00:52:48] <Izaya> And uh, godot exists which makes this stuff much nicer
L155[00:52:54] <PrismaticYT> OC power?
L156[00:52:57] <PrismaticYT> so... not RF?
L157[00:53:10] <PrismaticYT> good becuase I don't have an RF-providin gmod installed
L158[00:53:11] <Mimiru> it uses.. OC power, so any power system OS supports.
L159[00:53:19] <Mimiru> err OC*
L160[00:53:24] <Saphire> Izaya: eh
L161[00:53:30] <payonel> PrismaticYT: our computers require power
L162[00:53:44] <PrismaticYT> creative case also?
L163[00:53:48] <Mimiru> and if you've disabled power requirements in the config changeBuffer returns true, so it works anyway.
L164[00:53:53] <payonel> except for the creative case
L165[00:53:55] <payonel> :)
L166[00:54:01] <Saphire> It's a flash game, so it would be"better" for user to have it available in browser
L167[00:54:11] <payonel> PrismaticYT: we have a power converter, accepts rf power
L168[00:54:24] <payonel> and our cases and capacitors store power as oc power
L169[00:54:29] <PrismaticYT> I don't have an RF-providng mod installed.
L170[00:54:36] <payonel> PrismaticYT: and you're on 1.7.10?
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L172[00:54:41] <PrismaticYT> yes
L173[00:54:51] <payonel> PrismaticYT: back in the 1.7.10 days, we checked for power providing mods
L174[00:54:55] <payonel> and if none found, no power required
L175[00:55:00] <Saphire> But really, JavaScript is.. okay
L176[00:55:02] <payonel> until 1.7.2 (coming soon)
L177[00:55:08] <PrismaticYT> ah
L178[00:55:09] <Saphire> It's not GOOD
L179[00:55:10] <payonel> we'll require it regardless
L180[00:55:14] <Saphire> And done parts are horrible
L181[00:55:15] <PrismaticYT> OpenOS 1.7.2?
L182[00:55:19] <Mimiru> ugh.. right in theory I should backport this new block to 1.7
L183[00:55:25] <Saphire> But.. it's kind of ok.
L184[00:55:26] <PrismaticYT> Yes
L185[00:55:43] <Mimiru> 1.8+ made it super easy..
L186[00:55:44] <PrismaticYT> Modders should backport more
L187[00:55:52] <PrismaticYT> 1.8 also broke the skin format
L188[00:56:05] <Saphire> ...as long as you don't use those fucking microlibraries and shit
L189[00:56:12] * Saphire gags
L190[00:56:14] <Mimiru> OS already exists on 1.7.. most of my mods cover as many MC versions as I feel like.
L191[00:56:25] <payonel> PrismaticYT: i try to keep the os and the oc version together, but oc 1.7.2
L192[00:56:25] <payonel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkZ-1dIR1o&list=PLcZKee5-koAC2-pKrE6NOycvfX-KMm013&index=48&t=0s
L193[00:56:26] <MichiBot> OpenComputers: Carpeted Capacitors | length: 3m 59s | Likes: 13 Dislikes: 1 Views: 284 | by Mighty Pirates | Published On 4/2/2018
L194[00:56:30] <Saphire> ...I just realized that I have a pretty much Java-like application .-.
L195[00:56:53] <payonel> PrismaticYT: that is for 1.7.2
L196[00:57:00] <payonel> i added a new power gen block for oc
L197[00:57:13] <Mimiru> OS is 1.7/1.10, OpenFM is 1.7-1.10, OpenLights is 1.7-1.10, OpenPrinter is 1.7-1.10, OpenDisks is 1.7, 1.10, 1.12
L198[00:57:16] <payonel> i'm working on fixing AE bugs right now for 1.7.2
L199[00:57:35] <PrismaticYT> and that makes RF power and doesn't require an RF-generating mod
L200[00:57:41] <PrismaticYT> correct?
L201[00:57:45] <payonel> no, it makes oc power :)
L202[00:57:51] <payonel> it builds power in the OC capacitor
L203[00:57:53] <PrismaticYT> Good enough
L204[01:13:01] * payonel is afk
L205[01:13:54] <Saphire> Hmm
L206[01:14:00] * Saphire flops around
L207[01:14:27] <PrismaticYT> is the ColouredLights info for OpenLights still valid for OpenLights 1.7.10?
L208[01:23:02] <PrismaticYT> BRB - Restarting MC to add mods
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L210[01:24:19] <Izaya> or you could use the fucking web client but anyway
L211[01:26:59] <TheFox> *flops Saphire*
L212[01:26:59] <TheFox> Web clients are overrated, btw,
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L214[01:29:11] <Izaya> No argument, but I think it'd be an easier sell.
L215[01:29:29] <Saphire> Meep. And huh?
L216[01:30:32] <TheFox> idk, Iz, Who would ever do it the easy way
L217[01:31:07] <Izaya> Most sane people?
L218[01:31:34] <TheFox> This is 2018, how many sane people do you think are in this world.
L219[01:31:51] <TheFox> I think I can count the total number on both hands.
L220[01:32:15] <Izaya> ... I don't think I need one hand to count them.
L221[01:32:55] <TheFox> Aweh, but if you do it that way I'm not on the list.
L222[01:34:35] <PrismaticYT> oh cool
L223[01:34:42] <PrismaticYT> EnderIO allows searching by ModID
L224[01:35:24] <PrismaticYT> (I think it's that. It's the only recent mod I installed that added internal names to item tooltips)
L225[01:36:03] <TheFox> Do you mean with in NEI?
L226[01:36:19] <PrismaticYT> NEI? You mean TMI?
L227[01:36:34] <TheFox> Same... but also not the same
L228[01:36:43] <PrismaticYT> And no, I mean in the creative menu
L229[01:36:46] <PrismaticYT> Oh, that NEI.
L230[01:36:53] <TheFox> Ah, ok.
L231[01:36:53] <PrismaticYT> I like to call it "Piece of dog shit"
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L234[01:57:16] <PrismaticYT> no bios found, install a configured EEPROM (when turning on server with Lua BIOS EEPROM installed)
L235[02:04:51] <PrismaticYT> ok fixed that (it just started to work) but remote terminal won't connect to server
L236[02:05:47] <PrismaticYT> it just performs the standard "item goes down slightly and goes up" animation
L237[02:05:52] <PrismaticYT> in survival it just does nothing
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L240[02:12:45] <PrismaticYT> accidentally closed game
L241[02:19:46] <PrismaticYT> payonel: I can't connect a remote terminal to a server - only to a terminal server, and if I connect it to a terminal server it displays a black screen - do you know why?
L242[02:23:43] <Forecaster> @Mimiru it seems the bounding box is off
L243[02:25:26] <PrismaticYT> so apparently the terminal server has to be at the top of the rack but when I do that I can't type on the remote terminal
L244[02:26:55] <Forecaster> @Mimiru http://tinyurl.com/y9jwtwr3
L245[02:31:00] <fingercomp> PrismaticYT: connect the server and the terminal server to the same bus (shown as lines in the rack's GUI)
L246[02:31:14] <PrismaticYT> They're all connected to the yellow bus
L247[02:31:59] <PrismaticYT> because every cable is connected to the back
L248[02:33:36] <fingercomp> did you insert a GPU into the server?
L249[02:33:46] <PrismaticYT> APU
L250[02:35:27] <PrismaticYT> Does it have to be a GPU and not an APU?
L251[02:35:36] <fingercomp> it shouldn't matter
L252[02:35:47] <PrismaticYT> I'm using an APU
L253[02:36:30] <Forecaster> is there a different screen somewhere on the network?
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L255[02:36:52] <PrismaticYT> I disconnected the normal screen (It didn't even get used by the server)
L256[02:38:52] <fingercomp> does the server accept the input from the remote terminal?
L257[02:39:06] <PrismaticYT> No, no text when attempting to type
L258[02:40:02] <fingercomp> it doesn't stop if you type "shutdown" and press enter, right?
L259[02:40:55] <PrismaticYT> I can't even type shutdown
L260[02:41:23] <fingercomp> I mean, even if there's nothing on the screen
L261[02:42:41] <PrismaticYT> Nothing
L262[02:42:47] <PrismaticYT> It won't even display anything now
L263[02:45:01] <PrismaticYT> No, typing shutdown won't work - just tried it
L264[02:45:46] <Forecaster> try with a new terminal server and remote terminal
L265[02:45:56] <PrismaticYT> Already have
L266[02:46:13] <Forecaster> show a screenshot of the setup and the server gui
L267[02:46:21] <PrismaticYT> Right
L268[02:46:28] <PrismaticYT> Like that'll be possible
L269[02:46:39] <Forecaster> ...
L270[02:46:39] <PrismaticYT> No way I can paste into IRC
L271[02:46:54] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com
L272[02:47:10] <PrismaticYT> I won't be able to paste the link I mean
L273[02:47:19] <Forecaster> why not?
L274[02:47:27] <PrismaticYT> Ctrl-V doesn't work in OC
L275[02:47:35] <Forecaster> it's insert or middle-mouse button
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L277[02:47:45] <PrismaticYT> Insert is used by Advent of Ascension
L278[02:47:54] <PrismaticYT> to close the starting popup
L279[02:48:12] <Forecaster> have you tried it?
L280[02:48:21] <Forecaster> also note the "or middle mouse button"
L281[02:48:22] <PrismaticYT> Yep
L282[02:48:30] <PrismaticYT> oh that works
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L284[02:48:37] <Forecaster> yeah... brilliant
L285[02:49:51] <PrismaticYT> Server has creative APU, 4x Tier 3 HDD, 3x Tier 3 Component Bus, 4x Magical Memory
L286[02:50:16] <PrismaticYT> 27 Floppy Disk Drives and 27 RAIDs are connected to the back of the server
L287[02:50:40] <PrismaticYT> Yes, 27.
L288[02:51:37] <Kodos> Why though
L289[02:51:44] <PrismaticYT> Why not
L290[02:51:52] <PrismaticYT> I like storage
L291[02:52:14] <Kodos> At that point, why not modify your config and have HDDs be like 10x more than normal
L292[02:52:18] <Kodos> And just run like 3 RAIDs
L293[02:52:35] <PrismaticYT> That's cheating
L294[02:52:44] <PrismaticYT> I'll only modify that if I have to
L295[02:53:25] <PrismaticYT> (for example OpenLoader 0.3EE wouldn't fit on the 4KB EEPROM, so I had to increase it to 16KB
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L297[03:00:11] <PrismaticYT> Tried new server, nope
L298[03:00:35] <Izaya> Soooooo
L299[03:00:38] <PrismaticYT> Side note: What's the rack disk drive for?
L300[03:00:44] <Izaya> Anyone know anything about compiling pascal on loonix?
L301[03:00:52] <Forecaster> same as a disk drive
L302[03:01:01] <Kodos> Just a rackmounted drive is all
L303[03:01:03] <PrismaticYT> Can't open it
L304[03:01:06] <PrismaticYT> There's no GUI
L305[03:01:09] <Kodos> You right click with a floppy
L306[03:01:13] <Forecaster> ^
L307[03:01:15] <Kodos> or sneak right click with an empty hand to take out
L308[03:01:16] <PrismaticYT> Oh.
L309[03:01:20] <Kodos> Not everything needs a GUI ??
L310[03:01:30] <Forecaster> that works on disk drives too
L311[03:01:38] <Kodos> I have a program that runs on me talking to it in chat
L312[03:02:04] <Corded> * <Forecaster> installs Fallout 3
L313[03:02:19] <Kodos> See you in a month ??
L314[03:03:07] <Forecaster> I'm doing it to record some sounds from it :P
L315[03:03:21] <Forecaster> and check how terminals work more exactly
L316[03:03:32] <PrismaticYT> Ko?dos: You have a what?
L317[03:04:00] <Kodos> It's basically a pre-programmed, pseudo AI
L318[03:04:18] <PrismaticYT> Why do you have a ? in your name?
L319[03:04:25] <Kodos> I programmed commands for it run things, and then it listens to what I say, and determines what I said
L320[03:04:25] <Forecaster> here's hoping it runs
L321[03:04:36] <Kodos> I programmed commands for it to run things, and then it listens to what I say, and determines what I said and does it [Edited]
L322[03:04:46] <Kodos> And that's a ZWS that Corded uses to prevent pings
L323[03:04:47] <Forecaster> the ? is a zero-width space the relay bot puts there
L324[03:04:53] <Izaya> Forecaster: you could always grab a copy of bae and rip the sounds out
L325[03:05:06] <Forecaster> it's invisible in most irc clients
L326[03:05:08] <PrismaticYT> ZWS?
L327[03:05:14] <Forecaster> Izaya: bae?
L328[03:05:21] <Izaya> Bethesda Archive Extractor
L329[03:05:22] <Forecaster> PrismaticYT: Zero-width space
L330[03:05:24] <Izaya> aka bae
L331[03:05:32] <Forecaster> I didn't know that was a thing
L332[03:05:49] <Izaya> the Creation Kit has one too
L333[03:05:55] <Izaya> and whatever the Skyrim one is called, too
L334[03:06:04] <Forecaster> I've installed the creation kit but it doesn't run
L335[03:06:15] <Izaya> unsure whether bae works on FO3 but it works on 4 and Skyrim
L336[03:06:35] <Forecaster> but I still want to get in-game to check how terminals work and look
L337[03:10:16] <PrismaticYT> Why does it put a ZWS there if the user can't be pinged?
L338[03:10:40] <Forecaster> the ZWS is what prevents the ping....
L339[03:11:03] <PrismaticYT> no, if I ping Corded the other user doesn't get pinged, the bot does
L340[03:11:14] <Forecaster> what
L341[03:11:30] <Forecaster> look
L342[03:11:50] <Forecaster> it's so that when Corded sends a message from me to irc, it doesn't ping me on irc every time
L343[03:12:09] <Forecaster> since my messages technically contain my name
L344[03:12:10] <PrismaticYT> Ooooh
L345[03:13:07] <PrismaticYT> Wait, it sends messages twice?
L346[03:13:13] <zzarr> what configurations of displays are valid? (example 3x2 meaning 3 wide 2 high) by valid I mean you can cover the entire area with text without bezels
L347[03:13:39] <Forecaster> no it doesn't send messages twice... where did you get that from
L348[03:13:54] <PrismaticYT> If it doesn't send messages twice you wouldn't be pinged
L349[03:14:05] <Forecaster> what are you talking about
L350[03:14:31] <PrismaticYT> if the message doesn't contain your name you won't be pinged - it doesn't send your message then a message from corded
L351[03:15:26] <zzarr> I tested a 3x2, it looks fine, but 3x3 do not look fine, the text appears like a 3x2
L352[03:15:42] <PrismaticYT> ?
L353[03:16:15] <Forecaster> PrismaticYT: You've lost me.
L354[03:16:34] <Forecaster> zzarr: you can set the screen resolution in openOS
L355[03:16:55] <zzarr> how do I do that?
L356[03:17:25] <Forecaster> there's a program called resolution
L357[03:17:37] <zzarr> ohh, thanks :)
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L360[03:23:41] <fingercomp> PrismaticYT: Forecaster has joined both the IRC channel and the IRC relay channel on Discord. He would've been pinged on IRC by his own messages if the relay bot hadn't put the ZWS.
L361[03:23:51] <PrismaticYT> ooooh
L362[03:24:09] <PrismaticYT> wait
L363[03:24:11] <PrismaticYT> IRC relay?
L364[03:24:46] <PrismaticYT> doesn't IRC stand for internet relay chat
L365[03:25:31] <fingercomp> well, I meant the "IRC <-> Discord" relay here :)
L366[03:27:02] <Izaya> Speaking of IRC relays, anyone got a preference of IRCd? InspIRCd looks much heavier than I need
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L368[03:43:10] <payonel> zzarr: changing the number of screens does not change the resolution, only the aspect ratio
L369[03:44:12] <zzarr> payonel, I have realized that, thanks for the heads up though :)
L370[03:46:04] <payonel> ok, cool
L371[03:46:51] <zzarr> it's not persistent though
L372[03:47:01] <zzarr> (between boots)
L373[03:58:19] <zzarr> OpenOS crashed, dang this system that can't run without a disk... dang... *looking away from the screen feeling stupid*
L374[04:01:51] <Forecaster> you mean the openos floppy?
L375[04:01:56] <Forecaster> you have to install it on a harddrive
L376[04:02:47] <zzarr> no problems with installing the system, nor running if I don't tinker with the hardware ;)
L377[04:03:36] <zzarr> I had the system booted from a harddrive and removed that and tried to run commands
L378[04:03:44] <zzarr> user error
L379[04:09:56] <zzarr> why does messages appear twice sometimes?
L380[04:10:42] <Forecaster> what messages?
L381[04:11:14] <zzarr> on the display
L382[04:11:37] <zzarr> running print once puts the text twice
L383[04:13:54] <zzarr> false alarm, I get the network messages twice
L384[04:14:28] <Izaya> whatcha doin?
L385[04:15:10] <payonel> zzarr: you can add shell commands to your /home/.shrc
L386[04:15:17] <payonel> they'll execute on boot
L387[04:15:59] <zzarr> payonel, do they run prior or post /autorun.lua ?
L388[04:16:29] <payonel> post
L389[04:16:34] <payonel> .shrc is the last to run
L390[04:17:05] <zzarr> okey
L391[04:17:07] <zzarr> thanks
L392[04:17:30] <payonel> you're welcome
L393[04:18:00] <Izaya> after everything in rc?
L394[04:18:27] <payonel> yes
L395[04:18:35] <Izaya> excellent
L396[04:19:03] <Izaya> persistent configuration for minitel-related stuff can go in there then
L397[04:19:20] <Izaya> I don't need to do config files
L398[04:19:57] <ocdoc> Predicted http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-pairs
L399[04:19:57] <Izaya> ~w argparse
L400[04:20:01] <Izaya> hm
L401[04:20:05] <payonel> shell.parse?
L402[04:20:11] <Izaya> ~w shell
L403[04:20:11] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:shell
L404[04:20:35] <payonel> single dashes are booleans, doubles are strings and support =
L405[04:20:38] <payonel> for options
L406[04:20:42] <payonel> everything else is an arg
L407[04:20:47] <payonel> args, options = shell.parse(...)
L408[04:20:54] <zzarr> now it's working like I want it to
L409[04:21:03] <Izaya> Oh and I had a fun idea on how to implement internet bridging of minitel networks
L410[04:21:13] <Izaya> write an IRC client that pretends to be a modem
L411[04:22:32] <payonel> haha
L412[04:22:55] <Izaya> it's dumb enough it might just work, too
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L419[06:35:37] <Kiritow> hi there .
L420[06:36:08] <Kiritow> Is there any ways to tell AE2 crafting somthing with OpenComputers?
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L424[08:23:44] <Izaya> ~w vcomponent
L425[08:23:44] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/component
L426[08:25:05] <Kiritow> ha?
L427[08:25:35] <Kiritow> I didn't find any hints in document....
L428[08:25:58] <Forecaster> check the forum
L429[08:26:04] <Forecaster> I think there's some stuff about AE there
L430[08:26:13] <Kiritow> Thanks...
L431[08:27:02] <Forecaster> You're welcome...
L432[08:39:13] <asie> https://gfycat.com/AmbitiousGrandioseCatbird
L433[09:01:17] <Kodos> I mean, that looks cool, but there are more practical ways to autocraft
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L436[09:12:54] <orrche> Is the crafting upgrade broken? First craft works but after that the recipie doesnt work anymore not for the robot and not manually either
L437[09:13:22] <Forecaster> uuh
L438[09:13:23] <Forecaster> what
L439[09:13:30] <Forecaster> it's worked fine for me
L440[09:13:58] <fingercomp> orrche: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2728
L441[09:13:58] <MichiBot> Title: component.crafting.craft() works once but breaks recipe until server restart | Posted by: Kaeteker | Posted: Thu Jan 18 04:36:21 CST 2018 | Status: closed
L442[09:15:36] <orrche> fingercomp: thanks I will try that
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L445[11:31:54] <gamax92> check
L446[11:32:21] <gamax92> quick time event failed
L447[11:32:37] <Forecaster> ping
L448[11:43:15] <payonel> @status @Kiritow
L449[11:43:15] <Discord> Kiritow is currently OFFLINE
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L455[13:05:09] <sshika> hi. when i use in a string the character '\', i have an error
L456[13:05:37] <Forecaster> uh
L457[13:05:39] <Forecaster> context?
L458[13:06:27] <payonel> @sshika \ creates an escape sequence
L459[13:06:37] <sshika> a ok....
L460[13:07:00] <payonel> it is to allow you to specify specific characters by alias, typically for characters that have no plain text representation
L461[13:07:35] <payonel> this is a common mechanism, regardless of the programming language you are using
L462[13:07:44] <payonel> if you are trying to print a literal \, try \\
L463[13:08:29] <sshika> ok but i want to use it in a string of 100 character
L464[13:08:29] <sshika> https://puu.sh/zqxSy/f1a8bee0d1.png
L465[13:09:05] <AmandaC> Changing it to use ''s instead of ""s might work
L466[13:09:16] <payonel> ' or [[ ]]
L467[13:09:26] <payonel> %lua return '\'
L468[13:09:26] <MichiBot> main:1: unfinished string near <eof>
L469[13:09:30] <payonel> %lua return '\\'
L470[13:09:30] <MichiBot> \
L471[13:09:37] <Ben> @Kiritow depends on your oc/minecraft version
L472[13:09:40] <payonel> yeah nvm, '' has to escape them too
L473[13:09:43] <AmandaC> %lua return [[\]]
L474[13:09:44] <MichiBot> \
L475[13:09:46] <Ben> oh well, that was hours ago...
L476[13:09:49] <payonel> but [[ ]] will work
L477[13:10:02] <payonel> with [[ ]] you don't have to escape
L478[13:10:16] <sshika> version 1.7.10-1.7.1.1127
L479[13:10:24] <payonel> @sshika they weren't talking to you
L480[13:10:33] <payonel> @sshika use [[ ]] instead of ""
L481[13:10:36] <sshika> i can use [[ ]]like the " "
L482[13:10:42] <payonel> yes, that's a lua thing
L483[13:10:43] <sshika> thanks
L484[13:10:48] <payonel> %lua return [[\ asdf asdf // \\ ]]
L485[13:10:48] <MichiBot> \ asdf asdf // \\
L486[13:11:26] <payonel> @sshika and in case you need [[ or ]] inside your string, you can add = to your [[, like [=[
L487[13:11:29] <payonel> or [=====[
L488[13:11:35] <payonel> and the ]] has to match, e.g. ]====]
L489[13:11:58] <payonel> %lua [=[]]]=]
L490[13:11:58] <MichiBot> ]]
L491[13:12:08] <Vexatos> %lua [=======================================[hi]=======================================]
L492[13:12:08] <MichiBot> hi
L493[13:12:18] <payonel> exactly
L494[13:12:19] <payonel> :)
L495[13:12:40] <sshika> very thanks
L496[13:12:45] <payonel> very welcome
L497[13:14:04] <Forecaster> very food!
L498[13:16:50] <payonel> Vexatos: i'm trying to run oc in IDEA for 1.7.10 with ae2 in run/mods, but ae2 throws no such method field_150350_a
L499[13:16:59] <payonel> i've tried updating the forge version
L500[13:17:04] <payonel> i've tried using old versions of ae2
L501[13:17:11] <payonel> thoughts?
L502[13:17:16] <payonel> yes, it is ae2 for 1.7.10
L503[13:17:30] <Ben> shouldnt gradle auto pull the dependency?
L504[13:17:50] <payonel> first of all, our gradle settings for ae2 are broken, so that's not going to work
L505[13:17:59] <payonel> second of all, it's not a dependency
L506[13:18:08] <payonel> i'm just trying to debug runtime interop
L507[13:18:34] <payonel> the api is a dep, that is all
L508[13:19:34] <payonel> this works when i debug other versions
L509[13:19:35] <Ben> http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/topic/22863-1710-loading-other-mods-in-eclipse/
L510[13:19:36] <payonel> just not 1.7.10
L511[13:20:07] <payonel> ah, 1.7.10 specific
L512[13:20:12] <payonel> ok, i can deob the jar
L513[13:20:19] <Ben> also same field he has trouble with
L514[13:20:21] <Ben> so that might be related
L515[13:20:29] <payonel> yep
L516[13:20:34] <Vexatos> payonel, you need the deobfuscated AE2 build
L517[13:20:41] <Vexatos> autodeobf is only a thing on 1.8+
L518[13:20:50] <payonel> ah, ok
L519[13:22:21] <payonel> BAM
L520[13:22:22] <payonel> and it woorks
L521[13:22:26] <payonel> wooorks*
L522[13:22:39] <payonel> y'all rock
L523[13:22:44] * payonel hugs the channel
L524[13:22:48] <Ben> you, too ??
L525[13:53:02] <AmandaC> ls
L526[13:53:20] <AmandaC> oops
L527[13:56:22] <Forecaster> mysterious_file.txt
L528[13:56:27] <Forecaster> random_notes.txt
L529[13:56:37] <Forecaster> vacation_hawaii.jpg
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L532[14:13:13] <Kodos> HOLY SHIT
L533[14:13:21] <Kodos> SOLD THE FUCKING HOUSE FINALLY AFTER TWO YEARS
L534[14:13:55] <Forecaster> woo
L535[14:14:02] <Vexatos> does that mean you're a rich man now D:
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L537[14:16:38] <Kodos> In about 90 days, yes
L538[14:16:52] <Kodos> Still have to empty the machine shed and my garage
L539[14:17:02] <Kodos> But the closing will be in 60-90 days
L540[14:45:15] <cat2002> %lua return 'hi'
L541[14:45:15] <MichiBot> hi
L542[14:45:47] <cat2002> %lua return 'I rolled a '..math.random(20)..'.'
L543[14:45:48] <MichiBot> I rolled a 17.
L544[14:46:31] <cat2002> I hope this bot is sandboxed.
L545[14:46:42] <Arcan> !roll 1d20
L546[14:46:42] <Forecaster> Arcan rolls the 1d20 and gets: 10 [10]
L547[14:47:04] <AmandaC> It is, @cat2002, but don't spam the chat testing it, please.
L548[14:48:04] <cat2002> I'm kind of curious about one thing
L549[14:48:27] <cat2002> %lua str = 'hi' return str
L550[14:48:27] <MichiBot> hi
L551[14:48:46] <Forecaster> %roll 1d20
L552[14:48:46] <MichiBot> Forecaster: [8]
L553[14:50:53] <cat2002> %lua str = '' for key,value in pairs(_G) do str = str..key..': '..tostring(value)..'\n' end return str
L554[14:50:53] <MichiBot> main:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)
L555[14:51:12] <cat2002> Ah, good, no access to the global table.
L556[14:51:30] <Forecaster> I assure you it's competently made
L557[14:51:37] <Forecaster> if you want to investigate
L558[14:51:39] <Forecaster> %source
L559[14:51:40] <MichiBot> Forecaster: https://github.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/
L560[14:51:45] <cat2002> ooh, source code
L561[14:52:41] <cat2002> I just have an interest in bots, they're fun.
L562[14:52:57] <cat2002> Making them is fun too.
L563[14:53:06] <Forecaster> %shell @cat2002
L564[14:53:06] * MichiBot loads tilda~ into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground near @cat2002, Saphire and zzarr. They each take 6, 3 and 3 splash damage respectively.
L565[14:53:07] * MichiBot Evidence of tilda~'s poor resistance to corrosive chemicals is abundantly clear..
L566[14:53:50] <cat2002> Well, I'm going to go elsewhere.
L567[14:57:29] <ben_mkiv> %shell forecaster
L568[14:57:29] * MichiBot loads a cutie putie into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground near forecaster, Corded and s0cks. They each take 2, 6 and 2 splash damage respectively.
L569[14:57:59] <ben_mkiv> yay, hit the discord bot :>
L570[14:58:08] <ben_mkiv> which is ultrakill?
L571[14:58:20] <Forecaster> *near*
L572[14:58:28] <ben_mkiv> it hit you twice
L573[15:03:20] <Forecaster> it hit *near* me twice :P
L574[15:03:53] <AmandaC> You got hit with the splash though
L575[15:04:36] <Forecaster> still not a *direct* hit! :D
L576[15:04:51] <AmandaC> He didn't say it was a direct hit. :P
L577[15:05:16] <AmandaC> just thta it was a hit
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L582[15:42:57] <Forecaster> https://towerofawesome.org/falloutterminal/?AAA
L583[15:42:59] <Forecaster> it lives
L584[15:51:25] <Mimiru> @Forecaster the offset is odd..
L585[15:51:30] <Mimiru> IDK why it'd be like that..
L586[15:52:03] <Forecaster> viewing it in firefox or something?
L587[15:52:08] <Mimiru> No, with OS
L588[15:52:19] <Forecaster> OS?
L589[15:52:27] <Mimiru> OpenSec.
L590[15:52:32] <Mimiru> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125649403162656768/414699282894028800/unknown.png
L591[15:52:33] <Mimiru> this image
L592[15:52:36] <Forecaster> oh that
L593[15:53:00] <Skye> Mimiru, 0.5 a block off
L594[15:54:30] <Mimiru> I really want to figure out how to draw the box on the client.
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L596[16:06:05] <ben_mkiv> AmandaC, thanks for holding my back :D
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L598[16:07:38] <ben_mkiv> Mimiru, what are you doing? cant get it from the pic
L599[16:08:01] <Mimiru> That's @Forecaster's pic.. :P he was measuring the effective range of my security block
L600[16:08:02] <Izaya> gamax92: does ocemu work on arch yet\
L601[16:08:07] <ben_mkiv> oh
L602[16:14:40] <Forecaster> I was trying to summon a oc demon
L603[16:14:45] <Forecaster> But it didn't work
L604[16:15:10] <ben_mkiv> stop that stuff. i want to code it
L605[16:15:23] <ben_mkiv> giant creatix boss mob
L606[16:15:54] <ben_mkiv> which explodes when finished, spreading microchips all over the place
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L608[16:34:39] <AmandaC> %choose now or later
L609[16:34:39] <MichiBot> AmandaC: later
L610[16:34:43] <AmandaC> hrm, I disagree
L611[16:37:45] <Toothless the Dragon> Question: Is there a way to automatically turn a computer back on?
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L613[16:38:16] <Toothless the Dragon> I am creating a power grid and i need computers that control/calc peoples power to their house to always stay on
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L615[16:40:06] <MGR> The only thing I can think of is Wake on LAN
L616[16:40:25] <MGR> But that requires two computers to be networked together
L617[16:40:42] <MGR> If you're just looking for something that resumes operation on chunk reloads, OC computers already do that by default
L618[16:41:20] <Mimiru> Well... unless they're having the same issue as me, and random computers like to power off..
L619[16:41:22] <Mimiru> with no errors.
L620[16:41:38] <MGR> ... that's not intented
L621[16:41:53] <Mimiru> Currently it's ONLY the computer in the same chunk as my AE system... the computer in the chunk next to that is fine.
L622[16:42:10] <Mimiru> (It's not connected to the AE system, just in the same chunk.
L623[16:42:15] <Mimiru> )*
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L625[16:42:21] <Toothless the Dragon> well its more that the power grid could go out or be over used
L626[16:42:26] <Toothless the Dragon> and the computers may run out of power
L627[16:42:33] <Toothless the Dragon> but get some more later on
L628[16:43:03] <Toothless the Dragon> I guess the best thing to do is add an alarm and a power cell for each computer
L629[16:43:12] <Toothless the Dragon> so if it goes below a certain amount, it triggers the alarm
L630[16:43:16] <MGR> Yeah
L631[16:43:26] <MGR> In that event, there's not much more you can do other than batteries
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L635[16:47:36] <Kiritow> @payonel online now.
L636[16:47:56] <Izaya> Toothless: Set them for wake on redstone, run a RS timer
L637[16:47:59] <Mimiru> @Kiritow paynel detached a bit ago
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L639[16:48:20] <Toothless the Dragon> Good idea
L640[16:48:34] <Kiritow> @Ben I am using OpenComputeres 1.7.1.150 and AE2-rv4-stable-1 on MC 1.10.2
L641[16:49:07] <Kiritow> What a pity....
L642[16:49:32] <Izaya> Ah, Android. I wanted to share a video with Pomfshare, so I had to rename it to .jpg because it won't let me share a video with pomfshare for no apparent reason
L643[16:49:50] <Ben> i think payonel is actually working on some AE2 compability issues
L644[16:49:58] <Izaya> ^
L645[16:50:10] <Izaya> said last night that that's his current project
L646[16:50:23] <AmandaC> Izaya: becsiee the pomfshare app doesn't broadcast to Android that it supports video.
L647[16:50:50] <Izaya> Can you have them broadcast that they support any sort of file?
L648[16:51:11] <AmandaC> Not sure.
L649[16:52:11] <AmandaC> I think it accepts wildcards, so a mime of */*
L650[16:52:24] <Kiritow> Where can I find the document of components from integrated mods?
L651[16:53:00] <MGR> You can type components in the shell
L652[16:53:08] <MGR> "components"
L653[16:53:17] <MGR> And that will list all the attached components
L654[16:53:19] <Ben> for k,v in pairs(component.me_controller) do print(k,v); end
L655[16:53:25] <Kiritow> But I should put the machine next to the adapted by myself.
L656[16:53:28] <Ben> that for example would show you all methods of AE2 controller
L657[16:53:41] <Kiritow> No, I mean all the possible components.
L658[16:53:49] <Ben> oh yea, just components on the shell
L659[16:53:52] <MGR> Then typing "components" in the shell works
L660[16:54:11] <Kiritow> such as machines from IC2, Mek, AE2 and so on
L661[17:01:03] <Izaya> is STP worth it for 10m under the floor?
L662[17:01:27] <Izaya> (like, a cable length of 10m, and running under the floor)
L663[17:13:21] <Skye> Izaya: if you want gigabit
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L666[17:24:18] <ben_mkiv> !seen brisingrAerowing
L667[17:24:21] <ben_mkiv> %seen brisingrAerowing
L668[17:24:21] <MichiBot> brisingrAerowing has not been seen
L669[17:24:44] <ben_mkiv> anyone knows if he is around with another nick?
L670[17:25:19] <Mimiru> The only log I have of them talking is on Discord... sooo
L671[17:25:37] <Izaya> payonel: can we get support for configuring the inet address modems use in ocvm?
L672[17:25:49] <ben_mkiv> thank you mimi
L673[17:26:09] <Mimiru> They are @"Brisingr Aerowing"
L674[17:26:25] <Ben> gotcha^
L675[17:28:25] <AmandaC> %choose new or sentient energy or science surfing
L676[17:28:25] <MichiBot> AmandaC: science surfing
L677[17:28:30] <AmandaC> hrm. nah
L678[17:31:15] <AmandaC> oh right, I taught Plex to ignore folders named "Unsorted"
L679[17:31:36] <Izaya> gaaaaah
L680[17:31:43] <Izaya> I need to sort my music properly
L681[17:31:52] <Izaya> 10,000 tracks is a lot to sort though :<
L682[17:57:04] <kalmon> Does OC work with AE2 in MC 1.12?
L683[18:03:13] <AmandaC> There might be some issues with it, but I think so
L684[18:08:32] <kalmon> Even the most basic program errors for me
L685[18:09:52] <kalmon> AE2_RV5_stable5 and OC-MC-1.12.1-1.7.1.43
L686[18:12:42] <AmandaC> payonel is getting setup to work on it, but there's no timeline really
L687[18:12:43] <kalmon> code: for k,v in pairs(component.me_interface) do print(k,v); end
L688[18:13:17] <kalmon> error: attempt to index global 'component' (a nil value)
L689[18:13:56] <Ben> for k,v in pairs(require("components").me_interface) do print(k,v); end
L690[18:14:13] <kalmon> let me try that Ben
L691[18:14:39] <Kiritow> I have created a repo about component documents.
L692[18:14:51] <Kiritow> https://github.com/Kiritow/OC-Component-Doc
L693[18:15:00] <Kiritow> Hope this will be helpful later.
L694[18:15:39] <kalmon> Ben : /lib/package.lua:64: module 'components' not found:
L695[18:16:07] <kalmon> Kiritow, thanks I'll start reading that
L696[18:16:59] <kalmon> about me: I know C++, basic, SQL and some LUA
L697[18:16:59] <MichiBot> Lua*
L698[18:16:59] <Ben> component
L699[18:17:00] <Ben> sorry
L700[18:17:10] <Ben> for k,v in pairs(require("component").me_interface) do print(k,v); end
L701[18:17:34] <kalmon> thanks Ben that worked
L702[18:19:57] <Arcan> somebody pinged me a bunch earlier...
L703[18:20:02] <Arcan> OH
L704[18:20:13] <Arcan> maybe adding that as a highlight wasn't my greatest idea
L705[18:27:55] <kalmon> ls
L706[18:28:03] <kalmon> sorry!
L707[18:29:14] <Izaya> https://a.uguu.se/kdFyTrf12DBT_4841.jpg
L708[18:29:17] <Izaya> Wait.
L709[18:29:31] <Izaya> Ignore that.
L710[18:29:51] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1518965071504.jpg
L711[18:36:56] <AmandaC> Izaya: but it's too late. I've sent everything.
L712[18:37:11] <Izaya> ono
L713[18:37:12] <AmandaC> Seen*
L714[18:37:29] <Izaya> You've seen an artsy shot of my workspace
L715[18:38:14] <Izaya> Security is so insanely compromised
L716[18:39:06] <AmandaC> (I was making a reference to https://youtu.be/Fg_cwI1Xj4M ( I think, OP is almost over so I stopped checking))
L717[18:39:06] <MichiBot> Patrick Stewart on Extras | length: 3m 59s | Likes: 19,153 Dislikes: 187 Views: 2,995,032 | by Amber Waves | Published On 20/11/2006
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L720[18:51:10] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/java_2018-02-18_18-51-00.png well that's a thing..
L721[18:51:11] <Mimiru> lol
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L724[18:58:50] <ben_mkiv> oO
L725[18:59:37] <ben_mkiv> trying to render the terminal distance ingame?
L726[19:00:02] <Mimiru> yeah, just wanting a line outline of the cube
L727[19:00:36] <ben_mkiv> will you ever port to 1.12?
L728[19:01:28] <Mimiru> Eventually, likely right before the heat death of the universe.
L729[19:01:40] <Mimiru> 1.11+ annoys me...
L730[19:02:00] <Mimiru> Also... if I port forward again I'll have to totally rewrite all of my containers.
L731[19:02:12] <Mimiru> and I'd like to use caps.. but I've NEVER had caps work.
L732[19:02:21] <ben_mkiv> capabilities?
L733[19:02:29] <ben_mkiv> they're kinda easy to implement
L734[19:02:45] <Mimiru> That's nice, like I said I've never had luck.
L735[19:03:00] <ben_mkiv> well, the reason im asking is that i thought of adding support for some mods in OpenGlasses
L736[19:03:06] <ben_mkiv> like such stuff
L737[19:03:33] <ben_mkiv> so it could be used to visualize data of mods you usually dont have access to
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L739[19:04:53] <Mimiru> Ugh
L740[19:04:56] <Mimiru> this won't work anyway
L741[19:05:35] <ben_mkiv> sure that
L742[19:05:47] <ben_mkiv> just has to check for your block and render the stuff around
L743[19:07:31] <Mimiru> No.. cause I was using a TESR, so if you look away from the block it stops rendering.
L744[19:07:55] <ben_mkiv> it would use my internal renderer
L745[19:08:04] <Mimiru> I was talking about *MY* code.
L746[19:08:14] <ben_mkiv> ah ok
L747[19:08:21] <Mimiru> I'm not relying on the user having another mod to show information that my mod should show.
L748[19:08:48] <ben_mkiv> that wasnt my intention
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L752[19:17:34] <AmandaC> %choose kurau or hxh
L753[19:17:34] <MichiBot> AmandaC: kurau
L754[19:17:38] <AmandaC> hrm. nah
L755[19:18:07] <AmandaC> %tell Inari through unanimous votes of the council, you are hereby ordered to command the amazons.
L756[19:18:08] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L758[19:35:49] <payonel> @status @kalmon
L759[19:35:49] <Discord> kalmon is currently ONLINE
L760[19:35:59] <payonel> @kalmon are you having issues with ae+oc?
L761[19:36:15] <kalmon> I think I'm getting it working
L762[19:36:23] <payonel> i'm fixing a lot of ae issues, fyi
L763[19:36:39] <Izaya> mayonel, get my previous request/suggestion for ocvm?
L764[19:36:47] <kalmon> I think it was just missing api calls that are not there in 1.12 that were before
L765[19:36:49] <payonel> Izaya: i did, that's a good suggestion
L766[19:36:53] <Izaya> shiny
L767[19:36:58] <payonel> Izaya: do you have a suggested method for specifying that?
L768[19:37:06] <payonel> like, what should the command line arg for that be?
L769[19:37:11] <Izaya> I'm not very good with C(++) so I'm not confident enough to implement it
L770[19:37:21] <Izaya> Oh I figured just have it in the client.cfg like the port for the modem
L771[19:37:33] <payonel> so just the port?
L772[19:37:41] <Izaya> no like
L773[19:37:47] <Izaya> I want to be able to specify an address and a port
L774[19:38:02] <payonel> an example modem config is: {"modem","2de2751e-d158-32f6-1034-2302ef8320af",56000,8192,8,}
L775[19:38:13] <Izaya> aye
L776[19:38:22] <Izaya> it currently has the port as 56000
L777[19:38:25] <payonel> that 56k is the port
L778[19:38:25] <Izaya> so I figure
L779[19:38:29] <payonel> right
L780[19:38:46] <Izaya> {"modem","2de2751e-d158-32f6-1034-2302ef8320af",56000,8192,8,"127.0.0.1"}
L781[19:38:55] <payonel> @kalmon: which?
L782[19:39:04] <payonel> @kalmon i can add things back, fix things, whatever
L783[19:39:09] <Izaya> or
L784[19:39:15] <Izaya> {"modem","2de2751e-d158-32f6-1034-2302ef8320af",56000,8192,8,"210.1.213.55"}
L785[19:39:27] <payonel> ah, ok, the address it should connect to
L786[19:39:30] <payonel> sure
L787[19:39:31] <Izaya> aye
L788[19:39:44] <payonel> yeah, no prob
L789[19:39:47] <Izaya> shiny
L790[19:40:25] <Izaya> that means I can both do ocvm setups across my LAN and set up an ocvm <-> ocvm dedicated bridge
L791[19:40:30] <Izaya> and possibly ocvm <-> ocemu
L792[19:40:33] <kalmon> getAvailableIItems - renamed to getItemsInNetwork()
L793[19:40:58] <Izaya> is the protocol for that documented somewhere btw?
L794[19:41:01] <kalmon> testing now to see if property .isCraftable is still in
L795[19:42:33] <kalmon> if not I'll just grab all of getCraftables() and then loop through and compare with getItemsInNetwork()
L796[19:42:56] <payonel> @kalmon getItemsInNetwork has been that way for a long time, it's not a change in 1.12
L797[19:43:01] <payonel> it's that way in 1.7.10
L798[19:43:28] <kalmon> ah my last program was in CC(computerCraft) in 1.7.x
L799[19:43:29] <payonel> .isCraftable is a field of the IAEItemStack
L800[19:43:44] <payonel> not something i return in the oc api
L801[19:43:51] <payonel> in the oc api, you can call getCraftables
L802[19:44:23] <payonel> Izaya: heh, no. i didn't document either
L803[19:44:37] <payonel> never thought someone would care to implement it :)
L804[19:44:44] <payonel> Izaya: you know i wrote both, yes?
L805[19:44:55] <Izaya> I probably did at one point
L806[19:46:17] <payonel> @kalmon if yo have a list of items from getItemsInNetwork, why do you need to know if it is craftable?
L807[19:46:28] <kalmon> I'
L808[19:47:35] <kalmon> I'm making a keepstock program, so I need to look up all craftable items, compare them to items in stock and then craft if needed.
L809[19:48:10] <payonel> Izaya: done with the address feature
L810[19:48:16] <Izaya> shiny
L811[19:48:43] <kalmon> The old way was to get all items, check .isCraftable, compare to a desired stocknumber and then craft
L812[19:49:17] <kalmon> I'll be able to figure it out now that I have the APIs
L813[19:49:25] <payonel> Izaya: didn't even test it :)
L814[19:49:32] <payonel> pull latest and let me know if i broke crap
L815[19:49:33] <payonel> :)
L816[19:50:08] <Izaya> doing so now
L817[19:50:16] <payonel> @kalmon .isCraftable is something i assume cc gave you?
L818[19:50:22] <Izaya> afraid I don't have another machine to test on unless I port forward
L819[19:50:29] <Izaya> ... guess I'm port forwarding ocvm :D
L820[19:50:50] <payonel> Izaya: well you can still test if i broke even the basic workflow :)
L821[19:51:10] <payonel> seriously, i didn't test it at all
L822[19:51:37] <Izaya> >connection refused
L823[19:51:38] <Izaya> reeeeee
L824[19:51:42] <Izaya> guess I'm not port forwarding it
L825[19:51:45] <Izaya> openwrt pls
L826[19:51:52] <kalmon> I think so
L827[19:52:42] <payonel> i could easily add that
L828[19:52:56] <Izaya> well
L829[19:52:57] <Izaya> it builds
L830[19:53:02] <Izaya> it opens
L831[19:53:11] <Izaya> good starts
L832[19:53:13] <kalmon> I've already got a plan on the current api. out of curiosity what in getCraftables() is used to issue the craft request
L833[19:53:14] <Z0idburg> whee
L834[19:53:58] <payonel> @kalmon: request
L835[19:54:29] <Izaya> does not build on OpenBSD
L836[19:54:40] <payonel> the craft object has: getItemStack(), request()
L837[19:54:44] <payonel> Izaya: :/
L838[19:54:53] <Izaya> or at least
L839[19:54:54] <kalmon> ok thanks
L840[19:54:56] <Izaya> makefile doesn't work
L841[19:55:00] <payonel> @kalmon the request() call returns a CraftingStatus object, which has some more api
L842[19:55:06] <payonel> Izaya: did it before?
L843[19:55:12] <Izaya> never tried
L844[19:55:14] <payonel> haha
L845[19:55:15] <payonel> ok
L846[19:55:19] <Izaya> still works on arch though
L847[19:55:24] <Izaya> this was for my other machine to test with
L848[19:55:28] <payonel> i see
L849[19:55:54] <Izaya> It's all "*** Parse error in /home/izaya/ocvm: Missing dependency operator (Makefile:4)"
L850[19:56:19] <payonel> @kalmon: the CraftingStatus object api is: isCanceled(), isDone()
L851[19:56:20] <Izaya> best guess is it wants something after , in ifeq ($(lua),)
L852[19:56:25] <Z0idburg> ocvm eh
L853[19:57:19] <Z0idburg> I think I just came up with a neat jail idea for oc
L854[19:57:52] <Izaya> time to butcher the makefile
L855[19:58:44] <Izaya> or I could try installing gmake
L856[19:58:59] <Izaya> oh this is a good sign
L857[19:59:14] <Izaya> cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++14"
L858[19:59:36] <Izaya> gcc version 4.2.1 20070719
L859[19:59:39] <Izaya> ...ah.
L860[19:59:48] <Izaya> will clang work instead?
L861[20:00:03] <payonel> i had a buddy that was porting things to clang
L862[20:00:07] <payonel> but no
L863[20:00:17] <Z0idburg> are you using bsd make with a gnu makefile?
L864[20:00:20] <payonel> besides, i'm using <experimental/filesystem> :)
L865[20:00:25] <Z0idburg> ??
L866[20:00:35] <Z0idburg> I literally just got here a bit ago
L867[20:00:44] <Izaya> I was indeed attempting to.
L868[20:00:47] <Izaya> I installed gmake though
L869[20:00:49] <Z0idburg> yeah don't do that
L870[20:00:57] <Z0idburg> they aren
L871[20:00:59] <Z0idburg> aren't compatible
L872[20:01:06] <Izaya> and now my gcc is out of date and I think it isn't going to be updated
L873[20:01:25] <Izaya> openbsd may be a bust for now
L874[20:01:27] <Z0idburg> what BSD and what are you installing?
L875[20:01:34] <Z0idburg> openbsd?
L876[20:01:42] <Izaya> trying to get ocvm on openbsd
L877[20:01:46] <Z0idburg> ah
L878[20:02:08] <Z0idburg> I am not sure about open, but I know FreeBSD's default compiler atm is clang
L879[20:02:24] <Z0idburg> and most of the freebsd devs also work on the openbsd kernel iirc
L880[20:02:45] <Izaya> bugger it I'm gonna just feed everything to clang
L881[20:03:05] <Z0idburg> and clang++
L882[20:03:09] <Z0idburg> don't forget that
L883[20:03:49] <kalmon> hmm calling getCraftables(require("component").me_controller) throws an error
L884[20:04:05] <payonel> @kalmon of course it does
L885[20:04:08] <Z0idburg> clang will also help you find all of payonels problems
L886[20:04:11] <Z0idburg> heh
L887[20:04:19] <Z0idburg> b ecause clang is sometimes more strict by default
L888[20:04:24] <payonel> @kalmon there is no global method called getCraftables
L889[20:04:47] <Z0idburg> also, if payonel is evil and uses GCC compiler directives you'r;e screwed
L890[20:04:51] <Z0idburg> because those are evil
L891[20:05:00] <payonel> i do what suits me
L892[20:05:02] <Z0idburg> not a lot of people do
L893[20:05:02] <payonel> :)
L894[20:05:06] <Z0idburg> since it's bad practice
L895[20:05:27] <payonel> @Z0idburg: https://github.com/payonel/ocvm/blob/master/Makefile
L896[20:05:45] <payonel> @kalmon component.me_controller.getCraftables()
L897[20:07:04] <Z0idburg> izaya, I did get ocemu working on Freebsd no problem. cant remember if I got ocvm on it, I am pretty sure I did get it on linux
L898[20:07:22] <Z0idburg> shouldnt be too hard
L899[20:07:32] <Z0idburg> I dont think payonel is doing asnything super weird
L900[20:07:45] <Izaya> yeah I'll just have to figure out all the weirdness
L901[20:07:47] <Mimiru> I drew an outline in world \o/
L902[20:07:52] <Z0idburg> gammax on the other hand does
L903[20:09:03] <kalmon> *banghead yeah I forgot to add the local function
L904[20:09:24] <Z0idburg> local function function() end
L905[20:09:36] <Izaya> what.
L906[20:09:39] <kalmon> I did now:P
L907[20:09:40] <Izaya> that's valid?
L908[20:09:51] <Z0idburg> oone way to find out
L909[20:10:26] <payonel> no, it's a keyword
L910[20:10:53] <Z0idburg> That hasn't stopped me always
L911[20:10:58] <Z0idburg> but yeah, doesn't work
L912[20:11:02] <payonel> things like do, while, repeat, until, if, else, function, ... cannot be identifiers
L913[20:11:06] <Z0idburg> sometimes some languages don't have any keyword protection
L914[20:11:31] <Z0idburg> In Perl you can just crab it in the symbol table iirc
L915[20:11:39] <Z0idburg> cram*
L916[20:12:09] <Z0idburg> and then you have elixir
L917[20:12:19] <Z0idburg> where constants whos value is only themselvbes
L918[20:12:23] <Z0idburg> can somehow be used as other values
L919[20:12:27] <Z0idburg> when their value is the name itself
L920[20:12:38] <Z0idburg> because epic
L921[20:13:37] <payonel> @kalmon i think it is reasonable to add isCraftable to items
L922[20:13:42] <payonel> so i'm going to add that
L923[20:13:51] <kalmon> ok thanks!
L924[20:13:53] <payonel> it'll be a boolean field
L925[20:13:59] <Z0idburg> it is unreasonable to add camel case
L926[20:14:01] <payonel> it'll be in the next dev build, and in 1.7.2
L927[20:14:03] <Z0idburg> ??
L928[20:14:27] <kalmon> nice.
L929[20:14:48] <Z0idburg> I wonder how kalmon pronounces his nick
L930[20:14:51] <Z0idburg> I say it kammon
L931[20:14:55] <Z0idburg> because salmon
L932[20:14:56] <Z0idburg> XD
L933[20:15:02] <kalmon> lol Kal-mon
L934[20:15:12] <payonel> i say it "salmon" too
L935[20:15:21] <payonel> kah-men
L936[20:15:22] <kalmon> usually just end up answering to "kal"
L937[20:15:33] <payonel> no, not "kah", more like "kaa"
L938[20:15:41] <kalmon> in boston it'd be kahmon
L939[20:16:02] <payonel> boston is a funny place
L940[20:16:33] <Z0idburg> Not really
L941[20:16:48] <kalmon> In most places, losing your khakis means you have no pants. In Boston, if you lose your khakis, you can't drive.
L942[20:16:50] <Z0idburg> You have no idea, I live in Maine :P.
L943[20:16:54] <Z0idburg> Our accent is even thicker.
L944[20:17:25] <Z0idburg> why have kahkis if you can have a birthday suit when it's -20 out.
L945[20:17:27] <kalmon> but you have great lobster
L946[20:17:32] <Z0idburg> ahahahaha
L947[20:18:05] <kalmon> I've got to go, Thanks for the help!
L948[20:18:21] <kalmon> Wifey is asking for help
L949[20:18:30] <kalmon> g'night
L950[20:18:35] <Izaya> #include <lua.hpp>
L951[20:18:49] <Izaya> ./model/value.h:7:10: fatal error: 'lua.hpp' file not found
L952[20:19:14] <payonel> something something lua built with c++ something
L953[20:19:26] <Z0idburg> izaya using autotools?
L954[20:19:36] <Z0idburg> I didn't look
L955[20:19:40] <Izaya> I did gmake CXX=clang++
L956[20:19:47] <Z0idburg> lua pkg-config is really messed up
L957[20:19:53] <Izaya> because apparently it has filesystem
L958[20:19:58] <Z0idburg> so making sure it can find lua headers and libs is a pita usually
L959[20:20:03] <Z0idburg> on linux AND BSD
L960[20:20:19] <Izaya> on arch I have to specify a different lua version
L961[20:20:25] <Izaya> (lua=52 rather than 5.2)
L962[20:20:30] <Z0idburg> yeah I've done it on arch too
L963[20:20:32] <Z0idburg> and it was a pita still
L964[20:20:37] <Z0idburg> it shouldn't be so dumb
L965[20:20:37] <Z0idburg> lol
L966[20:20:45] <Izaya> computers are dumb
L967[20:20:48] <Z0idburg> they are!
L968[20:20:53] <Izaya> they're rocks we tricked into doing maths what do we expect
L969[20:20:54] <Z0idburg> that's why we have dumb terminals.
L970[20:20:56] <Z0idburg> :>
L971[20:21:03] <payonel> Izaya: haha
L972[20:21:11] <Z0idburg> lol
L973[20:21:19] <payonel> "computers are just rocks we tricked into doing math for us"
L974[20:21:20] <payonel> i like it
L975[20:21:29] <Z0idburg> but yeah I suspect lua finding heresey
L976[20:21:38] <Izaya> alright where should I normally find these headers
L977[20:21:44] <Izaya> /usr/include or something
L978[20:22:10] <payonel> Izaya: /usr/include/lua5.2/lua.hpp
L979[20:22:11] <Z0idburg> yeah usually
L980[20:22:12] <payonel> on my system
L981[20:22:41] <Izaya> /usr/local/include/lua-5.2/
L982[20:22:44] <Z0idburg> could be usr local on yours or something diffrent
L983[20:22:45] <Z0idburg> yeah
L984[20:22:53] <Z0idburg> lua REALLY should be in local anyways
L985[20:22:58] <payonel> Izaya: fyi, the .hpp is just : extern "C" { include lua.h, lualib.h, and luaxlib.h }
L986[20:23:03] <Z0idburg> since it's not a distribution related software library
L987[20:23:16] <Izaya> can I just make a symlink lua.hpp -> lua.h
L988[20:23:42] <Z0idburg> I would set an env variable
L989[20:23:54] <Z0idburg> or add -I
L990[20:23:57] <payonel> Izaya: https://hastebin.com/iveralamon.cpp
L991[20:24:17] <Izaya> there's a lua.hpp there
L992[20:24:20] <Izaya> huh.
L993[20:24:23] <Izaya> erm
L994[20:24:50] <Izaya> I guess it isn't seeing it then
L995[20:25:12] <Z0idburg> CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH
L996[20:25:31] <Z0idburg> gmake CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/local/fooobar....
L997[20:25:34] * payonel is afk
L998[20:25:55] <Z0idburg> or in the cflags -I /usr/local/foobar...
L999[20:26:05] <Z0idburg> in the makefile
L1000[20:26:28] <Izaya> IT BUILDS
L1001[20:26:31] <Izaya> maybe
L1002[20:26:31] <Z0idburg> ??
L1003[20:26:35] <Izaya> nope
L1004[20:26:37] <Z0idburg> What'd you have to do?
L1005[20:26:39] <Z0idburg> uh oh
L1006[20:27:27] <Izaya> gmake CXX=clang++ lua=-5.3 CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/local/include/lua-5.3/
L1007[20:27:36] <Izaya> I should probably include the rest of the CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH
L1008[20:27:57] <Izaya> can I do CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/local/include/lua-5.3/:$CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH?
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L1010[20:33:39] <Izaya> http://pb.i0i0.me/p/vla3KkLk
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L1012[20:38:31] <Izaya> ocvm on debian 8: gcc is probably too old
L1013[20:38:58] <Izaya> maybe I can install something newer from backports
L1014[20:39:08] <PrismaticYT> How do you use the hologram projector?
L1015[20:39:16] <Izaya> ~w hologram
L1016[20:39:17] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:hologram
L1017[20:39:20] <Izaya> have fun
L1018[20:41:12] <Izaya> ... not from backports, excellent
L1019[20:43:28] <PrismaticYT> neat.
L1020[20:46:45] <PrismaticYT> Is it possible to use multiple projectors at the same time?
L1021[20:46:55] <Izaya> yes.
L1022[20:47:21] <PrismaticYT> OC 1.8 should have sideways projectors
L1023[20:51:11] <Mimiru> Ugh, so I've got my renderer working... now... I have to do packets to sync the terminals to the client.
L1024[20:51:29] <Izaya> vector terminal when
L1025[20:54:30] <PrismaticYT> sideways projectors when
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L1029[21:29:17] <AmandaC> %choose risk getting lost in a book or lay down and sleep now
L1030[21:29:17] <MichiBot> AmandaC: risk getting lost in a book
L1031[21:29:25] <AmandaC> Hrm.
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L1034[22:00:10] <Izaya> %remindme 24h shut your mouth
L1035[22:00:10] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "shut your mouth" at 02/19/2018 10:00:10 PM
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L1038[22:57:50] <Mimiru> @Forecaster http://michi.pc-logix.com/java_2018-02-18_22-57-40.png
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L1041[23:45:07] <Forecaster> Nice
L1042[23:51:55] <Mimiru> Oh, heya Forecaster
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