L5[03:08:31] <Deamon05> guten morgen

L6[03:48:21] <Izaya> guten na- I forget the one for evening, and I'm pretty sure that's the wrong start anyway

L12[04:50:53] <xrh0905> Hi

L15[05:01:45] <habnabit> goddammit. i'm mad that i can't put an mfu in a µc

L16[05:03:28] <Forecaster> mfu?

L17[05:03:31] <habnabit> MFU

L18[05:04:44] <Forecaster> capitalizing the letters doesn't make it any clearer what they mean...

L19[05:07:23] <habnabit> it's a thing added in a pretty recent version

L20[05:07:25] <habnabit> idk if it's in the wiki

L21[05:10:29] <Forecaster> oh that thing

L22[05:10:41] <Forecaster> /s

L26[05:38:04] <Kodos> @Forecaster Short range wireless adapter connecter

L27[05:38:15] <Forecaster> yeah I know

L28[05:38:17] <Kodos> I call it the Magical Fairy Dust upgrade

L29[05:38:23] <Kodos> I call it the Magical Fairydust upgrade [Edited]

L30[05:38:24] <Forecaster> I looked it up in-game

L31[05:40:17] <habnabit> yay

L32[05:41:11] <Forecaster> @Kodos but good on you for being able to describe the actual item, unlike @habnabit :P

L33[05:41:35] <Kodos> I mean it was my suggestion sooo

L34[05:41:44] <Kodos> I forget why I needed it though

L35[05:42:20] <Forecaster> yeah but "wireless adapter" isn't difficult to say.

L36[05:42:45] <Forecaster> and one can assume habnabit knew what it did since they wanted it in a mcu

L37[05:43:55] <Kodos> I think mcus need reworked anyway

L38[05:44:08] <Kodos> I dislike having zero external connections. Even one would be useful

L39[05:45:07] <Forecaster> they're very limited yeah

L40[05:45:25] <Kodos> I would just run a timer every 60 seconds, check the status of whatever it's operating or monitoring, and just have it beep a quick chirp to let me know things are good. If I hear an off-tone beep, I know to check that machine

L41[05:45:42] <Kodos> But as it stands, they are pretty useless outside of redstone and simple network mindfuckery

L42[05:45:53] <Kodos> Okay, maybe not useless

L43[05:45:55] <Kodos> But very niche

L46[07:12:30] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT_CT1LVoAAHAck.jpg:large good, solid advice

L47[07:13:11] <Forecaster> nope

L52[07:25:39] <asie> https://img.asie.pl/4xR0

L53[07:25:42] <asie> :thinking:

L54[07:26:35] <Forecaster> hah, that account is suspended xD

L55[07:27:27] <Inari> Yeah, for good reason it seems :P

L56[07:27:40] <Inari> Or at least tweetsave has lots of questionable tweets from it

L57[07:27:55] <asie> did i miss something?

L58[07:28:02] <Inari> [14:12:30] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT_CT1LVoAAHAck.jpg:large good, solid advice

L59[07:29:09] <asie> anyhow, FoamFix 0.9.0 is out, those of you on 1.12.2 should update

L60[07:29:13] <asie> saves more RAM

L61[07:29:33] <asie> about 10% more relative to 0.8.x as long as JEI is installed

L62[07:29:56] <Inari> But foam is so nice

L63[07:30:00] <asie> NOT ANYMORE

L65[07:30:01] <Vexatos> but how much does JEI eat compared to no JEI

L66[07:30:05] <Inari> %give MichiBot a foamy bath

L68[07:30:13] <asie> Vexatos: installing JEI is now a slight increase over not installing JEI

L69[07:30:30] <Inari> Whys FoamFix not in vanilla yet?

L70[07:30:32] <asie> essentially, pre-FoamFix 0.9.0 JEI installed meant you had a large search tree for vanilla's menu

L71[07:30:38] <asie> creative tab search

L72[07:30:40] <asie> and a large search tree for JEI's item list

L73[07:30:47] <asie> on a 170-mod modpack this could easily be 100MB *each*

L75[07:30:50] <asie> so, uh

L76[07:30:55] <asie> https://img.asie.pl/4xR0

L77[07:30:58] <asie> i made one use the other

L78[07:31:46] <asie> i also improved the deduplicator, making it run faster and finding spots which it didn't cover

L79[07:31:56] <asie> overall, it leads to similar load times but another 30-40MB shaved off on very large modpacks

L80[07:31:59] <asie> but also bugfixes

L81[07:32:13] <asie> also, FoamFix hardly fixes anything vanilla

L82[07:32:21] <asie> most things it fixes are Forge, or, in this case, not anyone's fault really

L84[10:28:56] <Inari> "in this case, not anyone's fault really"

L85[10:29:01] <Inari> But... someone made it foamy?

L86[10:41:33] <Forecaster> or did they?

L87[11:27:32] <AmandaC> %choose wait or just play

L88[11:27:32] <MichiBot> AmandaC: wait

L89[11:50:54] <Admiral_Morketh> does anyone have any experiance with uEFI Secure Boot Keys? im trying to install my own keys so i can dual boot a linux OS. my BIOS keeps rejecting the crt file saying its not formatted correctly.

L90[11:50:57] <Admiral_Morketh> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/take-control-your-pc-uefi-secure-boot

L91[12:02:45] <Skye> I just disable secure boot entirely

L92[12:09:11] <Admiral_Morketh> being a network Pentester i dont want to disable the security feature i want to use it as intended

L93[12:10:33] <MGR> This isn't exactly the right channel for that

L94[12:36:56] <Admiral_Morketh> well the primary reason for asking was a pointer in the right direction for a resource that would be able to help

L95[12:50:30] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzb-FGP4dfU ~

L96[12:50:30] <MichiBot> Fantasy Life OST - 14 Tavern | length: 2m 2s | Likes: 343 Dislikes: 0 Views: 37,429 | by EruxNick | Published On 30/9/2014

L98[13:04:52] <Inari> https://twitter.com/the_suzerain/status/955153621938683904

L99[13:05:08] <MichiBot> Sun Jan 21 13:02:24 CST 2018 @the_suzerain: It’s ok to be white.

L100[13:05:58] <Mimiru> it's ok, I split the string, reverse both halves then concat back together.

L101[13:08:18] <Inari> Heh

L102[13:10:39] <Idlehumor> I have a quick question... When I run the method getInventorySize() from a robot where there is no claim, I get the inventory size like normal, but when I try to getInventorySize() with a robot in a claim, it returns "no inventory". Have you heard of this problem? Is there a fix? I've already trusted the fake player #[opencomputers] and tried /autotrust on the GPP claim and it can break blocks, but still cannot access inventories. OC version 1.7.1.1127 for M

L103[13:13:37] <Skye> Idlehumor, what mod does the claim stuff?

L104[13:13:51] <Skye> that sounds like a bug in how the mods interact... best bet would be to make a bug report

L105[13:13:52] <Idlehumor> Greif prevention plus

L106[13:14:14] <Skye> I see

L107[13:14:17] <Idlehumor> grief*

L108[13:14:56] <Skye> Idlehumor, https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/new

L109[13:15:02] <Idlehumor> thanks

L110[13:15:09] <Skye> describe the issue here, I think it's a bug, so... report it!

L111[13:15:43] <cat2002> hello

L112[13:15:44] <Idlehumor> will do

L113[13:27:25] <Vexatos> Sounds like you just have to whitelist the OC fakeplayer in whichever protection mod you have

L114[13:27:56] <Skye> Vexatos, " I've already trusted the fake player #[opencomputers] "

L116[13:28:16] <Vexatos> But that sounds more like a bug in that mod then

L117[13:28:42] <Skye> @Idlehumor, maybe it's worth reporting the bug to the protection mod as well

L118[13:29:53] <Idlehumor> I'm still here on discord

L119[13:30:43] <Idlehumor> I'll send a bug report on their github as well

L120[13:34:07] <Idlehumor> sent

L121[13:34:15] <Idlehumor> thanks for your help

L125[14:21:51] <Izaya> @Admiral_Morketh You can't install your own keys and use Microsoft's keys at the same time

L126[14:22:16] <Izaya> If secure boot is enabled and you sign the Windows bootloader, it'll freak because the rest of it is "invalid"

L128[14:24:37] <Admiral_Morketh> well im not really trying to use the Windows bootloader im going to be using GRUB2 binary package so that i can sign tit with my keys and have that boot strap the windows ntloader aswell as my Kali Linux image

L129[14:24:50] <Izaya> Windows won't like that.

L130[14:25:10] <Admiral_Morketh> ive been dual booting since windows 3.11 whats changed?

L131[14:25:31] <Izaya> They sign a lot of the stuff in the boot process and if it boots but doesn't verify it freaks.

L132[14:25:58] <Admiral_Morketh> Hense the reason my Intel SureID Kicked in when i turned OFF Secure boot

L133[14:27:31] <Izaya> Mmm.

L134[14:27:41] <Izaya> There may be some dark magic you can do to get it to work but I don't know it.

L135[14:28:04] <Izaya> I just installed Trusted GRUB and assumed Windows was compromised anyway.

L136[14:29:32] <Admiral_Morketh> Windows is always comprimised because Microsoft. ill keep digging around in the internet for a solution but thats the "Dark Magic" im most interested in.

L137[14:29:50] <Izaya> Pretty much.

L138[14:30:00] <Izaya> If you find anything useful I'd be most interested.

L139[14:31:06] <Admiral_Morketh> ill keep you posted with my findings for sure. its a puzzle that i cannot leave unsolved now that my curiosity has been peaked im out for results. ??

L140[14:36:23] <Skye> @Admiral_Morketh, Izaya: there's a patch you have to get emailed to you to disable the secure boot warning on windows

L141[14:36:42] <Skye> like you enter your email on the MS support page, a day later they email you the hotfix.

L142[14:36:51] <Izaya> So it'll work despite not verifying against secure boot which is enabled?

L143[14:36:59] <Skye> just to disable the secure boot warning on the desktop

L144[14:37:05] <Skye> maybe it does other stuff

L145[14:37:09] <Izaya> Secure boot warning on the desktop?

L146[14:37:38] <Skye> Izaya, https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/2902864/update-removes-the-windows-8-1-secureboot-isn-t-configured-correctly-w

L147[14:37:47] <Skye> huh

L148[14:37:57] <Skye> it's not emailed to you, you can just get it

L150[14:38:03] <Skye> that changed

L151[14:38:15] <Skye> then again I did install it in 2013?

L153[14:38:49] <Admiral_Morketh> ill check it out even though im running windows 10 it should be a helpful starting point

L154[14:39:03] <Skye> apparnetly it's not in windows 10

L155[14:39:10] <Skye> I dunno because I didn't do a clean install

L156[14:39:24] <Lizzian> i have secure boot turned off

L157[14:39:38] <Lizzian> purely because i cba to fuck about with it when using rEFInd

L158[14:40:41] <Izaya> It would be nice to have secure boot on both Loonix/BSD and Windows, is all.

L159[14:41:04] <Skye> I bet there's a way if you use a decent BIOS

L160[14:41:19] <Izaya> It's actually a pretty useful feature, but I don't think you can install multiple keysets

L161[14:41:30] <Izaya> and if you install the individual Microsoft keys without the master one it doesn't work

L162[14:42:32] <Lizzian> for most stuff, i don't see the point in secure boot. if you have fully encrypted stuff then i think it's fine

L163[14:43:08] <Izaya> Eh, someone messes with your GRUB, and you're compromised.

L164[14:43:14] <Skye> my laptop has the self encrypting SSD, and also bitlocker... I have a feeling I'm safe from physical attack, but the malware that is windows is another problem

L165[14:44:31] <Lizzian> Izaya, well, without the drive being encrypted they don't even need to mess with grub much, just swap out the kernel/systemd binaries

L166[14:44:44] <Izaya> Ah, don't have encrypted /boot?

L167[14:45:34] <Lizzian> nope, none of my stuff is encrypted. i should probably do that at least for my laptop

L168[14:46:17] <Admiral_Morketh> well My BIOS (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) will allow me to install my own PK KEK and DB as well as DBX entries so theoretically i can not only keep the windows keys but i can "Take ownership" of my BIOS and allow my own key while blacklisting everything else

L169[14:47:09] <Admiral_Morketh> which will allow me to use Encryption on both Windows and Linux

L170[14:47:54] <Izaya> Mine requires wiping the keys to do it, and only allows installing one of the master ones

L171[14:48:03] <Admiral_Morketh> my only issue reading through the link i found and posted above is the BIOS Rejecting the resulting X.509 Cert so apparently i have the wrong format on my PK?

L172[14:48:43] <Admiral_Morketh> right the PK will only allow for 1 Key however the KEK can be counter signed to use any image i need

L173[14:50:00] <Admiral_Morketh> The PK on most systems is issued by the manufacturer of the hardware, while a KEK is held by the operating system vendor (such as Microsoft). Hardware vendors also commonly have their own KEK installed (since multiple KEKs can be present). To take full ownership of a computer using secure boot, you need to replace (at a minimum) the PK and KEK, in order to prevent new keys being installed without your consent. You also should replace

L174[14:50:00] <Admiral_Morketh> signature database (db) if you want to prevent commercially signed EFI binaries from running on your system.

L175[14:51:13] <Admiral_Morketh> i think its a matter of formatting the Cert at this point, ill keep digging around but thatnk you guys for the pointers

L178[15:31:30] <CompanionCube> might look into it after the kinks are worked out in the type i want to use

L180[16:03:24] <Inari> %give MichiBot a cutie putie

L184[16:50:04] <AmandaC> %choose now or later

L185[16:50:05] <MichiBot> AmandaC: now

L186[16:50:09] <AmandaC> hrm, sounds good

L192[18:43:53] <Mimiru> ._. and OC is dying in this chunk again

L194[19:40:00] <ben_mkiv> !seen feldim2425

L195[19:40:04] <ben_mkiv> %seen feldim2425

L196[19:40:04] <MichiBot> feldim2425 was last seen 556d 2h 39s ago. Saying: No Record

L198[19:49:09] <AmandaC> Mimiru: oh, sorry. I chewed on that NBT chunk, hope that's okay.

L200[19:57:32] <Mimiru> I... I'd prefer it if you didn't

L201[20:28:53] <Kodos> Anyone know if Electrical Age or its dev has a channel/presence on IRC

L202[20:28:56] <Kodos> Or Discord

L207[21:30:20] <Arcanitor> dev name, Kodos?

L208[21:33:51] <Arcanitor> Kodos: irc.rizon.net #electricalage

L209[21:34:04] <Kodos> Ah, thanks :3

L210[21:34:16] <Izaya> huh, rizon for a MC thing

L211[21:35:12] <Arcanitor> Kodos: incidentally, that information is on the main page of the Electrical Age wiki

L212[21:41:12] <Kodos> Ah