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L6[00:22:20] <Mimiru> that'll do for
now...
L7[00:22:30] <Mimiru> I guess I need to
request a new exempt
L8[00:22:38] <gamax92> concern
L9[00:23:07] <gamax92> Mimiru: SessionServ
is complaining to ocdoc
L10[00:26:17] <Mimiru> I'm aware
L11[00:26:25] <Mimiru> which is why I said
I need to request a new exempt
L12[00:26:49] <Mimiru> unless there is some
way for ocdoc to request a specific IP to be used for outbound
connections
L13[00:27:52] <Mimiru> Or.. if you know
what I have to do to make the server use a different IP as it's
"default"...
L14[00:28:06] <Mimiru> theres 3 IPv4s on it
now.. and it's using the old default.
L15[00:28:22] <Mimiru>
"149.56.250.253"
L16[00:28:47] <Mimiru> I need it to use
"149.56.6.196"
L17[00:30:30] <Mimiru> %p
L18[00:30:31] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
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L21[00:31:39] <Mimiru> K, that seems to
have shut it up.
L22[00:31:45] <Mimiru> Or..
L23[00:31:45] <Mimiru> no
L24[00:31:47] <Mimiru> it didn't
L25[00:31:48] <Mimiru> shit
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L38[00:50:47] <Michi> I think
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L63[02:58:26] <Github-Kiritow> I found a
warning in server log:
L64[02:58:59] <Github-Kiritow>
[OpenComputers] A component of type 'routing_switch'
disappeared
L65[02:59:22] <Github-Kiritow> Is this a
bug of Railcraft?
L66[03:29:17] 
<Forecaster>
any railcraft integration is part of computronics I beleive
<Forecaster>
any railcraft integration is part of computronics I beleiveL67[03:37:10] ⇨
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L69[04:26:52] <Github-Kiritow> All
right
L70[04:26:57] <Github-Kiritow> Thank
you~
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L78[06:01:17] <WatchtowerOrator> https://youtu.be/_ewyGbVljfY - RailcraftLP [Episode
71] - Almost
L79[06:01:17] <WatchtowerOrator> Tags on
this video: ic2,industrialcraft2,opencomputers
L80[06:01:17] <WatchtowerOrator> Time for a
new episode from Forecaster! You're welcome!
L81[06:01:18] <MichiBot> RailcraftLP-
[Episode 71] - Almost | length: 28m 38s | Likes:
0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 0 | by Forecaster |
Published On 8/1/2018
L82[06:01:33] <Forecaster>
It's so friggin adorable!
<Forecaster>
It's so friggin adorable!L84[06:02:34] ⇦
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L85[06:12:40] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfd9krEsr-k
<3
L86[06:12:40] <MichiBot> Final Fantasy
VIII - Liberi Fatali [HQ] | length: 3m 7s | Likes:
8,451 Dislikes: 156 Views: 1,789,353 | by Cloud183
| Published On 8/6/2008
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L88[07:12:59] <Saphire> Heh
L89[07:13:14] <Saphire> ...webassembly is
literally binary lisp apparently?
L90[07:30:44] <g> not sure if anyone's
linked it here, but I figure some of you might be interested:
https://ds9a.nl/articles/posts/spectre-meltdown/
L91[07:30:49] <g> very accessible
explantion
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L95[07:41:49] *
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L96[07:42:15] <Mimiru> I was up til after 1
trying to fix stuff
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L98[07:42:26] <Mimiru> was a bad idea..
lol
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L101[07:47:13] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL103[07:50:00] <Forecaster>
why would you want to take in caffeine before bed...
<Forecaster>
why would you want to take in caffeine before bed...L104[07:54:00] <payonel> also, why are you
ingesting your toothpaste
L105[07:54:08] <Vexatos> you normally are
>_>
L106[07:54:34] <Vexatos> that's what the
membranes in your mouth do D:
L107[07:54:42] <payonel> you know what i
mean
L108[07:55:18] <Vexatos> toothpaste isn't
really inedible
L109[07:55:30] <Vexatos> it's just not
very saturating since it consists mostly of silicone and
salts
L110[07:57:06] <payonel> do you think
that's what i was talking about?
L111[07:57:13] <Vexatos> certainly
:3
L112[07:57:52] <payonel> ok
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L114[08:02:09] <Forecaster>
payonel: you're supposed to absorb the caffeine, you're not
supposed to eat it
<Forecaster>
payonel: you're supposed to absorb the caffeine, you're not
supposed to eat itL115[08:02:38] <payonel> i failed to make
a joke
L116[08:03:27] <payonel> i was pretending
the idea was to squeeze tubes of toothpaste for your fix :)
L117[08:03:51] <Mimiru> https://imgur.com/a/YYakN
L118[08:04:15] <Forecaster>
what the heck is 1080i
<Forecaster>
what the heck is 1080iL119[08:04:37] <Mimiru> interlaced
1080..?
L120[08:04:40] <Forecaster>
also, if you combine 1080p and 1080i do you get 2160pi?
<Forecaster>
also, if you combine 1080p and 1080i do you get 2160pi?L121[08:04:41]
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L122[08:04:44] <Inari> 1080i looks a lot
nicer than 1080p
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L124[08:06:41] <Forecaster>
payonel your joke was a joke!
<Forecaster>
payonel your joke was a joke!L125[08:09:35] <Mimiru>
Bleh
<Mimiru>
BlehL126[08:22:26] <Forecaster>
indeed
<Forecaster>
indeedL127[08:24:34] ⇦
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L130[08:49:56] <Michiyo> ._.
L131[08:50:14] <vifino> payonel!
L132[08:52:53] <payonel> yeah?
L133[08:55:49] <Inari> payo payo
payo
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L135[09:02:39] <Temia> Paiyo Reiyo!
L136[09:09:46] <Michiyo> Slowly getting
user sites back up ._.
L137[09:10:31] <Michiyo> The good news
is... Let's Encrypt is working perfectly on Eos..
L138[09:10:53] <Michiyo> no half working
hacky workarounds to try to get new certs.. lol
L139[09:10:54] <AmandaC> Mimiru: bad news
is, I'm about to chew on Eos' power cords.
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L141[09:10:59] <Michiyo> Nooooooooo!
L142[09:11:16] <AmandaC> They look so
tasty though. D:
L143[09:11:20] <Michiyo> It's a VM on my
dedi.. so that'd take out all of my servers!
L144[09:12:16] <Michiyo> ugh.. the only
thing keeping me alive right now is half a pot of coffee, 2 5 hour
energies and a monster java...
L145[09:12:27] <AmandaC> Oh, I thought
Hekake was the dedi
L146[09:12:30] <Michiyo> I don't think
this is healthy
L147[09:12:43] <AmandaC> ( Which died, and
was replaced with Eos )
L148[09:12:46] <Michiyo> Victory is the
dedi, Hekate was one of the VMs
L149[09:12:50] <AmandaC> ah
L150[09:13:09] <Michiyo>
Eos,Bast,Demetre,Athena,Hekate are/were VMs
L151[09:13:59] <Michiyo> Victory was named
after the server I played on, on City of Heroes
L152[09:14:50] <Michiyo> Though, now I'm
down to just Bast, Eos, and Athena for VMs, I only keep Athena
around for gamax92
L153[09:16:17] <Forecaster>
Michiyo: since when is any IT work healthy?
<Forecaster>
Michiyo: since when is any IT work healthy?L154[09:16:49] <Michiyo> lol, fair
enough.
L155[09:17:51] <AmandaC> Yeah, I sniff
some weird white powder Inari keeps in the closet before I ever
start on some IT stuff
L156[09:18:32] <Michiyo> lol
L157[09:18:52] <Inari> So thats where all
the powdered sugar is disappearing to
L158[09:19:03] <Michiyo> lmao
L159[09:19:17] <Michiyo> I need to figure
out why oclogs is slow on this box..
L160[09:19:48] <Michiyo> I know WHICH
query is slowing it down... but it wasn't a big deal
before...
L161[09:19:50] <Michiyo> oh wait...
L162[09:19:53] <Michiyo> I was on php-fpm
before
L163[09:19:55] <Michiyo> I'm not
now.
L164[09:19:57] <AmandaC> Not enough
JESUS
L165[09:20:24] <AmandaC> JESUS, Just
Enough Socks Using Static
L166[09:20:58] <Inari> JEKSUS
L167[09:21:07] <Inari> JEOTKUS
L168[09:21:11] <g> JETSUS
L169[09:21:21] <Inari> Just enough
over-the-knee socks using static
L170[09:21:22] <Michiyo> I should switvh
back to fpm.
L171[09:21:44] <Michiyo> I just used what
I had installed already ._.
L172[09:24:39] <Messorix>
anyone online that's willing to help me out with something
regarding Extreme Reactors?
<Messorix>
anyone online that's willing to help me out with something
regarding Extreme Reactors?L173[09:25:02] <Forecaster>
I doubt it
<Forecaster>
I doubt itL174[09:25:10] <Forecaster>
I hear the internet is full of jerks
<Forecaster>
I hear the internet is full of jerksL175[09:25:15] <payonel> any watched
"travelers" on netflix?
L176[09:25:21] <payonel> i started
watching it this weekend
L177[09:25:23] <payonel> i really like
it
L178[09:25:26] <Messorix>
that includes you @Forecaster ? ??
<Messorix>
that includes you @Forecaster ? ??L179[09:25:40] <Forecaster>
pff, of course not, idiot!
<Forecaster>
pff, of course not, idiot!L180[09:25:59] <Forecaster>
I'm obviously exempt! howdareyou D:<
<Forecaster>
I'm obviously exempt! howdareyou D:<L181[09:26:03] <Messorix>
gheghe
<Messorix>
ghegheL182[09:26:13] <payonel> vifino: what was
that about the sled project you wanted me to review?
L183[09:26:22] <Messorix>
so you are capable and willing to help me then?
<Messorix>
so you are capable and willing to help me then?L184[09:26:54] <Forecaster>
I have no idea, you haven't described the issue yet
<Forecaster>
I have no idea, you haven't described the issue yetL185[09:27:09] <Messorix>
fair enough
<Messorix>
fair enoughL186[09:27:20] <payonel> Temia: welcome
back btw :)
L187[09:27:26] <vifino> payonel: no
reviewing in particular, but i'd love your input on the code. i
want your creativity to add some more effects, though. :3
L188[09:27:36] <vifino> 16x8 pixels,
go~!
L189[09:27:38] <Temia> Thanks.
L190[09:27:59] <payonel> vifino: :) yeah,
i'll have to build and run it
L191[09:28:06] <vifino> i also just wanted
to nag you. :P
L192[09:28:06] *
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L193[09:28:13] <Messorix>
my general idea is to use an OC computer to regulate when my
reactor runs (internal power < 5% = turn on; internal power >
90% = turn off)
<Messorix>
my general idea is to use an OC computer to regulate when my
reactor runs (internal power < 5% = turn on; internal power >
90% = turn off)L194[09:28:15] <vifino> good, good.
>:)
L195[09:28:18] <payonel> haha
L196[09:28:41] <vifino> C99 compiler,
libc, gnu make, plus SDL2 if you want a virtual matrix.
L197[09:28:53] <vifino> not that hard of a
dep list, in my opinion.
L198[09:29:09] <Messorix>
everything (I think) is set up except for the actual code
<Messorix>
everything (I think) is set up except for the actual codeL199[09:29:29] <vifino> oh, you also need
like... 24mb ram if you use the sdl thing. 2mb on actual
hardware.
L200[09:30:32] <Michiyo> yep.. the query
that counts lines per day is what slows down the list..
L201[09:30:35] <Messorix> I
have never used adapters before though so I don't know how to read
the inputs and give the correct output yet
<Messorix> I
have never used adapters before though so I don't know how to read
the inputs and give the correct output yetL202[09:30:42] <vifino> portable as heck,
too. i've run the sdl2 debug code on freebsd and linux, the rpi
output on a... raspberry pi... and the udp output on an aarch64
android phone.
L203[09:31:21] <Forecaster>
@Messorix you'll have to connect the reactor and see what methods
are available
<Forecaster>
@Messorix you'll have to connect the reactor and see what methods
are availableL204[09:31:42] <AmandaC> There's already
scripts out there for regulating that stuff, tho
L205[09:31:50] <Messorix>
how do I do that again? (it's been a long while)
<Messorix>
how do I do that again? (it's been a long while)L206[09:32:25] <payonel> Inari: https://i.imgur.com/0itb8ZS.jpg
L207[09:32:28] <payonel> warning, not a
cat
L208[09:32:32] <payonel> but i thought it
was funny
L209[09:32:46] <vifino> seen it,
oooold.
L210[09:33:22] <vifino> Instead, have a
cat. https://i.imgur.com/KPFHtKa.gif
L211[09:33:29] <vifino> Old, very
old.
L212[09:33:46] <vifino> But it's my
favourite, don't judge me. :<
L213[09:34:50] <Forecaster>
@Messorix the easiest way is just pop open the lua prompt
<Forecaster>
@Messorix the easiest way is just pop open the lua promptL214[09:34:59] <Forecaster>
go `component.<tab>`
<Forecaster>
go `component.<tab>`L215[09:35:08] <Forecaster>
tab through until you find the right component
<Forecaster>
tab through until you find the right componentL216[09:35:38] <Forecaster>
then `component.reactor_component_or_whatever.<tab>` tab
through the methods
<Forecaster>
then `component.reactor_component_or_whatever.<tab>` tab
through the methodsL217[09:35:51] <AmandaC> or shell:
`component -l <component-name> >out.txt`
L218[09:35:58] <AmandaC> you can get
component-name from `components`
L219[09:36:24] <Messorix>
thanks (gonna test now)
<Messorix>
thanks (gonna test now)L220[09:37:58] <Forecaster>
I find the tab method works and is nice and quick :P
<Forecaster>
I find the tab method works and is nice and quick :PL221[09:38:15] <AmandaC> It doesn't work
if there's lots of methods, though
L222[09:38:54] <Messorix> I
really need to change this resolution first... (50x16 is not
useful)
<Messorix> I
really need to change this resolution first... (50x16 is not
useful)L223[09:39:07] <Forecaster>
AmandaC: what?
<Forecaster>
AmandaC: what?L224[09:39:32] <Messorix>
the resolution on the OC screen is 50x16 but needs to be
bigger
<Messorix>
the resolution on the OC screen is 50x16 but needs to be
biggerL225[09:39:50] <Messorix> I
also can't scroll for some reason (again... it's been a long while
since using OC)
<Messorix> I
also can't scroll for some reason (again... it's been a long while
since using OC)L226[09:39:56] <AmandaC> Forecaster: well,
if you want to see a list of them, it doesn't, just tabbing throug
them is fine I guess, but misleading
L227[09:40:56] <Forecaster>
I fail to see a useful distinction between listing them and tabbing
through them for finding out what methods you need/are
available
<Forecaster>
I fail to see a useful distinction between listing them and tabbing
through them for finding out what methods you need/are
availableL228[09:41:11] <AmandaC> Listing them
shows their help doc too
L229[09:41:23] <AmandaC> so you know if
get() is get the current level, or what
L230[09:43:22] <Messorix> I
agree with AmandaC's approach tbh
<Messorix> I
agree with AmandaC's approach tbhL231[09:45:20] <Forecaster>
so far the methods names have been better than
"get"
<Forecaster>
so far the methods names have been better than
"get"L232[09:45:23] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL233[09:46:14] <Messorix>
jesus christ... I cant even figure out how to make a new file
XD
<Messorix>
jesus christ... I cant even figure out how to make a new file
XDL234[09:47:35] <Forecaster>
edit <filename>
<Forecaster>
edit <filename>L235[09:47:42] <payonel> @messorix `edit`
is the default openos editor
L236[09:47:54] <payonel> you can also
redirect to a file
L237[09:48:04] <payonel> as AmandaC
demonstrated
L238[09:48:13] <Messorix>
thanks (rusty much xD)
<Messorix>
thanks (rusty much xD)L239[09:48:30] <payonel> openos tries to
be a normal \shell
L240[09:48:46] <payonel> s/tries to
be/tries to provide/
L242[09:49:25] <payonel> @forecaster
obviously -- that is amazing
L243[09:52:21] *
Michiyo slaps MichiBot
L244[09:52:25] <Michiyo> test
L245[09:52:28] <Michiyo>
s/test/meep/
L246[09:52:31] <Michiyo> ...
L247[09:52:32] <Michiyo> %sed
L248[09:52:33] <MichiBot> Michiyo: SED is
enabled in this channel
L249[09:52:38] <Michiyo> THEN DO IT.
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L253[09:52:55] <Messorix>
any clues as to why I might not be able to scroll in the
screen?
<Messorix>
any clues as to why I might not be able to scroll in the
screen?L254[09:52:56] <Michiyo> I don't have time
to poke at you.
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L256[09:53:57] <Forecaster>
@Messorix OpenOS doesn't have scrolling in the regular console
iirc
<Forecaster>
@Messorix OpenOS doesn't have scrolling in the regular console
iircL257[09:54:15] <Messorix>
yeah... just figured out I just need to hold arrow down ??
<Messorix>
yeah... just figured out I just need to hold arrow down ??L258[09:55:08] <Messorix>
next problem... file system is read-only T_T
<Messorix>
next problem... file system is read-only T_TL259[09:55:24] <Forecaster>
install openos
<Forecaster>
install openosL260[09:56:08] <Messorix>
I'm a moron...
<Messorix>
I'm a moron...L261[09:56:14]
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L264[10:01:15] <Messorix> I
can't even do something as simple as changing the resolution...
what happened to me
<Messorix> I
can't even do something as simple as changing the resolution...
what happened to meL265[10:01:40] <Messorix>
os.execute("resolution 50 50") apparently just gives an
error
<Messorix>
os.execute("resolution 50 50") apparently just gives an
errorL266[10:03:33] <AmandaC> do you have at
least a tier 2 screen and gpu?
L267[10:03:53] <Messorix>
just read the wiki... I do not
<Messorix>
just read the wiki... I do notL268[10:04:03] <Messorix> I
need to relearn this whole mod
<Messorix> I
need to relearn this whole modL269[10:16:40] <Messorix>
so... adapters should be listed when I use components right?
<Messorix>
so... adapters should be listed when I use components right?L270[10:16:58] <AmandaC> depends whats
next to them.
L271[10:17:07] <AmandaC> they don't show
up as "adapter"
L272[10:17:35] <Messorix>
reactor redstone ports
<Messorix>
reactor redstone portsL273[10:18:14] <Messorix>
or are they not supported?
<Messorix>
or are they not supported?L274[10:18:35] <Michiyo> Unlikely you
should have actual computer ports to be used with OC..
L275[10:19:16] <Michiyo> or.. you did last
time I used BR/ER
L276[10:19:29] <Messorix>
you mean reactor computer ports?
<Messorix>
you mean reactor computer ports?L277[10:20:18] <Michiyo> (I really dislike
what they did to the computer integration in ER....)
L278[10:20:35] <Michiyo> Yes, the redstone
ports don't offer any computer methods, so an adapter isn't going
to help you.
L279[10:21:01] <Messorix>
changed the ports out and I now see a br_reactor listed
<Messorix>
changed the ports out and I now see a br_reactor listedL280[10:21:03] <Messorix>
thanks ??
<Messorix>
thanks ??L281[10:28:45] <Messorix>
now to find the methods that I can use ??
<Messorix>
now to find the methods that I can use ??L282[10:40:44] <Messorix>
cant you do nested if's? (if x then y else if z then g end)
<Messorix>
cant you do nested if's? (if x then y else if z then g end)L283[10:41:08] <AmandaC> no space between
else and if
L284[10:41:31] <payonel> if x then y else
if z then g end end
L285[10:41:35] <payonel> or ^ :)
L286[10:41:46] <g> if x then y else if z
then payonel end end
L287[10:41:48] <g> :>
L288[10:42:10] <payonel> <:
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L290[10:42:34] <Messorix> 2
ends?
<Messorix> 2
ends?L291[10:42:43]
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L292[10:42:49] <payonel> well if you're
going to separate elseif to else if
L293[10:42:53] <payonel> they each need an
end
L294[10:42:55] <payonel> :)
L295[10:43:07] <Messorix>
ow ok
<Messorix>
ow okL296[10:43:53] <Messorix>
yaaaay
<Messorix>
yaaaayL297[10:44:11] <Messorix>
it works (some adjustments are needed but thats specific for me
:P)
<Messorix>
it works (some adjustments are needed but thats specific for me
:P)L298[10:44:16] <Messorix>
ty all
<Messorix>
ty allL299[11:09:33]
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L303[11:34:12] *
vifino goes up to payonel and whispers "c++ is a sin, write in
c", then runs away
L304[11:35:00] <vifino> Oh, dammit. I
broke my nick coloring, pretty sure. Every name is red.
L305[11:35:04] <payonel> what?! huh?
L306[11:35:06] <vifino> .-.
L307[11:35:08] *
payonel looks around nervously
L308[11:35:38] <Forecaster>
woah, it's a good thing I've never written anything in c++
then
<Forecaster>
woah, it's a good thing I've never written anything in c++
thenL309[11:35:40] <Forecaster>
just c#
<Forecaster>
just c#L310[11:35:42] <Forecaster>
:D
<Forecaster>
:DL311[11:36:37] <payonel> oh man i love
c#
L312[11:36:42] <vifino> ew.
L313[11:37:13] <payonel> my 3 favorites
languages are c++, c#, and lua
L314[11:37:40] <vifino> yay, i fixed nick
coloring, needed perl.
L315[11:37:54] *
vifino slaps payonel
L316[11:38:00] <payonel> my least favorite
are java, visual basic, and .... maybe perl
L317[11:38:17] <payonel> not sure on the
3rd, there are a few contenders
L318[11:38:18] <Vexatos> so many weird
people in gere
L319[11:38:20] <Vexatos> here
L320[11:38:42] <Vexatos> people that like
C++? Sure, I can recognize insanity as a valid reason to like a
language
L321[11:38:48] <Vexatos> but there are
even people liking perl D:
L322[11:38:58] <payonel> who likes
perl?
L323[11:39:02] <Vexatos> S3 does
L324[11:39:04] <vifino> ^
L325[11:39:06] <Vexatos> please burn them
at a stake
L326[11:39:08] <payonel> haha
L327[11:39:12] <payonel> WAIT wait
wait
L328[11:39:17] <payonel> vex and i agree
on something!?
L329[11:39:22] <vifino> bullshit.
L330[11:39:25] <payonel> :)
L331[11:39:36] <Vexatos> I know exactly
one person who likes perl
L332[11:39:42] <vifino> ^
L333[11:39:45] <Vexatos> and every other
person I ask is absolutely disgusted by it
L334[11:40:03] <vifino> Didn't ask
me.
L335[11:41:29] <payonel> the senior devs
on our test automation team are rather pro-perl
L336[11:41:44] <vifino> my
condolences.
L337[11:41:55] <Vexatos> https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/10/31/disliked-programming-languages/
L338[11:41:57] <Vexatos> I mean
L339[11:42:12] <Vexatos> It's pretty
accurate in my opinion :P
L340[11:42:31] <Vexatos> Odd that Ruby, C#
and Java are that far up
L341[11:42:49] <payonel> i really don't
care for ruby
L342[11:42:59] <Inari> Odd that LSL isn't
at the top
L343[11:43:08] <Inari> I guess it's really
more of a scripting language
L344[11:43:36] <payonel> i wonder why ppl
dislike lua
L345[11:43:48] <Inari> then/end,
1-indexing
L346[11:43:54] <payonel> oh i mean
..
L347[11:44:01] <payonel> yes, i dislike
the 1-index of course
L348[11:44:02] <Inari> *1-based
indexing
L349[11:44:07] <vifino> "Can't find
<CS 101 thing> library."
L350[11:44:14] <payonel> what i. ..
yeah
L351[11:44:14] <Inari> Haha
L352[11:44:32] <payonel> what i meant
about lua is that it's so simple that there aren't a LOT of things
to dislike about it because there isn't a lot about it
L353[11:44:37] <payonel> so i'm surprised
it's so high on the list
L354[11:44:44] <Inari> I need to take a
try at Julia again :P I kinda liked Haskell from what I tried so
far nad Vex claims Julia is better
L355[11:44:45] <Arcanitor> lua: everything
is tables
L356[11:44:49] *
Vexatos throws reasons why 1-indexed languages make sense at
payonel
L357[11:44:49] <vifino> ^
L358[11:44:58] <Vexatos> Inari, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4igzy3bGVkQ
L359[11:44:58] <MichiBot> Intro to
Julia | length: 1h, 40m 2s | Likes: 148 Dislikes: 4
Views: 2,718 | by The Julia Language | Published On
19/12/2017
L360[11:45:00] <Inari> Arcanitor: But
thats nice?
L361[11:45:00] <vifino> Vexatos: it makes
sense to math people.
L362[11:45:11] <Vexatos> Julia is a math
language -> Julia has a reason
L363[11:45:30] <Vexatos> vifino, if you
have two hours to spare, watch that guide I guess
L364[11:45:42] <Vexatos> If you have two
hours to spare, read the docs >_>
L365[11:45:43] <vifino> can i
just...
L366[11:45:45] <Inari> Yeah I just deleted
everything Julia/HaskellGo a few days ago cause I needed space
:P
L367[11:45:45] <Vexatos> whichever you
prefer :P
L368[11:45:47] *
Michiyo sighs
L369[11:45:47] *
vifino snuggles up to C
L370[11:45:56] <Inari> Need to see if I
can install Julia to not C:
L371[11:45:57] <Michiyo> still can't find
the style sheet I used for the log site.
L372[11:46:16] <Vexatos> vifino, julia
isn't a pure functional language
L373[11:46:18] <Vexatos> (thank god)
L374[11:46:21] *
Arcanitor repeatedly bludgeons himself with java
L375[11:46:40] <payonel> "because
math people need it" is not a good enough reason. i've not
been convinced otherwise
L376[11:46:44] <Vexatos> I see haskell as
a proof of concept that you can make a pure functional programming
language, not that you should ever do it
L377[11:47:02] <AmandaC> Vexatos: but...
monads!
L378[11:47:03] <payonel> but anyways,
still surprised to see it so high on the list
L379[11:47:08] <Arcanitor> payonel: as a
math person i feel offended
L380[11:47:41] <Vexatos> payonel, #1
reason is still that the first element of a matrix is A?? and it
makes a HECKLOAD of crazy linear algebra a lot easier
L381[11:47:50] <Turtle> RE: Lua, Lua is
good because it has a niche and sticks to that niche
L382[11:48:02] <payonel> Arcanitor: as a
person that loves math - i dont get why i don't fit the "math
person" requirement apparently
L383[11:48:05] <Inari> Vexatos: Is her
name Julia?
L384[11:48:17] <vifino> Turtle:
Amen.
L385[11:48:19] <Vexatos> Inari,
what?
L386[11:48:23] <payonel> Vexatos: so what?
not a reason to mess up the entire array indexing of a
language
L387[11:48:24] <Vexatos> Turtle, yes
that
L388[11:48:26] <Arcanitor> payonel: i
thought that was the only requirement for being a "math
person"
L389[11:48:27] <Turtle> It has quite a few
issues regarding things like userbase partitions (cough python),
but none of those hurt the language because it knows its an
extension language
L390[11:48:30] <Inari> That woman in the
vidoe is logged in as jherrima@gmail.com or so
L391[11:48:31] <Vexatos> payonel, yes it
is
L392[11:48:33] <Inari> So I wondered if
her name is Julia
L393[11:48:34] <Inari> :p
L394[11:48:45] <payonel> Arcanitor: haha
:)
L395[11:48:50] <Vexatos> an array is just
a 1D matrix, i.e. a vector
L396[11:48:50] <Turtle> And unlike JS,
most Lua users know what an extension language is ment to be used
for, and when to -not- use it
L397[11:49:29] <AmandaC> isn't the prosody
xmpp server built entirely in lua?
L398[11:49:29] <Arcanitor> lua is actually
good for a lot of the things that people try to abuse JSON
for
L399[11:49:39] <Inari> JSON?
L400[11:49:54] <Turtle> Lua is crap as a
data storage format, with only one exception
L401[11:50:05] <Turtle> It is good if most
of your data is cheap to re-compute
L402[11:50:10] <vifino> 0-based array
indexing makes sense in c, because ary[x] is functionally
equivalent to (ary + (x * sizeof(type)).
L403[11:50:35] <Vexatos> payonel, once you
go down the deep end of linear algebra, having arrays start at 1
helps a lot, and in julia a marix is just an Array{T, 2}
L404[11:50:50] <Vexatos> matrix*
L405[11:50:58] <payonel> you talk like i
haven't
L406[11:51:18] <Vexatos> it just makes
maths a lot easier >_<
L407[11:51:27] <Vexatos> and it makes
exactly as much sense as 0-indexed
L408[11:51:41] <Vexatos> so if your
language is literally made for complex maths...
L409[11:52:55] <Vexatos> vifino, give it a
try, it's my favourite language now :3
L410[11:53:09] <vifino> but... but...
C!
L411[11:53:26] <Vexatos> also very
recommend to use the official julia IDE
L412[11:53:30] <vifino> ew
L413[11:53:39] <Vexatos> it's called Juno
and is actually just a bunch of Atom packages :P
L414[11:53:46] <vifino> EVEN MORE EW
L415[11:53:48] <Inari> Ew Atom xD
L416[11:53:59] <Inari> VSCode <3
L417[11:54:07] <vifino> ew.
L418[11:54:15] <gamax92> ew Inari
L419[11:54:19] <gamax92> vifino
<3
L420[11:54:23] <Vexatos> something
something println(sum([[cld(i, j) for (i, j) in
Iterators.product(Iterators.repeated(input[ri, :], 2)...) if i != j
&& cld(i, j) == fld(i, j)] for ri = 1:size(input,
2)]))
L421[11:54:24] <Inari> %give MichiBot a
guide to #OC - How to ew
L422[11:54:25] *
MichiBot accepts the guide to #OC - How to ew and adds it to her
inventory
L423[11:54:30] <payonel> i love vscode
myself :)
L424[11:54:37] <vifino> MAYONEL
L425[11:54:41] <vifino> HOW COULD YOU
BETRAY ME LIKE THIS
L426[11:54:44] <payonel> haha
L427[11:54:44] <Arcanitor> what is
vscode
L428[11:54:46] <Vexatos> but atom is
better for julia :3
L429[11:54:54] <payonel> https://code.visualstudio.com/
L430[11:54:59] <Inari> It's like atom, but
good
L431[11:54:59] <Vexatos> Arcanitor,
microsoft's only good product since 2005
L432[11:55:05] <gamax92> I've not tried
vscode yet
L433[11:55:06] <Arcanitor> ...what is
atom
L434[11:55:12] <gamax92> atom is
garbage
L435[11:55:12] <vifino> both of those are
web browsers.
L436[11:55:21] <Arcanitor> i tried to
install visual studio
L437[11:55:23] <vifino> i have one, it is
enough. thank you.
L438[11:55:24] <Arcanitor> it was
awful
L439[11:55:29] <Vexatos> Arcanitor,
github's ~~only good product since 2005~~I mean IDE
L440[11:55:31] <Inari> Atom is https://atom.io/ :p
L441[11:55:42] <payonel> Arcanitor: there
is a significant different between vs and vscode
L442[11:55:47] <Vexatos> Arcanitor, watch
this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aEiVwBAdk
L443[11:55:48] <MichiBot> Introducing
Atom 1.0! | length: 2m 14s | Likes: 9,112 Dislikes: 90 Views: 468,619 | by GitHub |
Published On 25/6/2015
L444[11:56:00] <Inari> It's like
JavaScript and Java P
L445[11:56:04] <payonel> pretty much
L446[11:56:05] <Inari> Similar names, but
very different
L447[11:56:09] <Arcanitor> atom looks like
glorified notepad++
L448[11:56:19] <Vexatos> well it starts
like that, basically
L449[11:56:24] <Vexatos> VSCode does
too
L450[11:56:28] <Vexatos> but then you add
packages
L451[11:56:30] <Vexatos> or
extensions
L452[11:56:31] <Vexatos> >_>
L453[11:56:40] <vifino> and you have more
bloat for your bloat.
L454[11:56:42] <Vexatos> and you basically
turn it into an IDE
L455[11:56:45] <Vexatos> like
L456[11:56:48] <Vexatos> a super insane
one
L457[11:57:03] <Vexatos> vifino, it takes
only a second to launch still :P
L458[11:57:09] <vifino> both of those
"""Editors""" are more of an OS than
emacs is.
L459[11:57:11] <Vexatos> not everyone uses
spacemacs, you know
L460[11:57:14] <payonel> Vexatos: anyways,
i think you're wrong. _A_ category of math just not justify
breaking an important tradition of computer science for one
language. it should have been a syntactic feature at most, not a
breaking change of its entire array api
L461[11:57:16] <vifino> ew spacemacs
L462[11:57:20] <Vexatos> pfft
L463[11:57:22] <Vexatos> spacemacs is
nice
L464[11:57:27] <vifino> it's bloaty.
L465[11:57:28] <Vexatos> ...if I knew how
to use it
L466[11:57:31] <vifino> i hate
bloat.
L467[11:57:35] <payonel> but yeah, i'll
probably never get tired of your passion for 1-based arrays in
lua
L468[11:57:47] <payonel> i'm fascinating
by how much you support it
L469[11:57:48] <Vexatos> payonel, if
traditions were meant to be never broken
L470[11:57:51] <gamax92> Michiyo: I still
use Athena
L471[11:57:53] <Vexatos> there would not
be innovation
L472[11:58:04] <Vexatos> it is a
tradition, but not an important one
L473[11:58:04] <Michiyo> I know
L474[11:58:06] <Vexatos> not at all
L475[11:58:10] <Michiyo> Which is why I
said I keep it around for you
L476[11:58:21] <Vexatos> and how would you
do a syntactic feature like that?
L477[11:58:34] <Vexatos> A matrix is
literally just an array
L478[11:58:44] <Vexatos> you cannot have
both 1-based matrices and 0-based arrays in a language
L479[11:58:45] <vifino> Vexatos: How many
gigabytes does your "
L480[11:58:47] <Vexatos> THAT would be
stupid
L481[11:58:53] <vifino>
"""EDITOR""" use?*
L482[11:58:59] <Vexatos> which one
now
L483[11:59:01] <vifino> of ram,
obviously.
L484[11:59:01] <Vexatos> I use all of them
>_>
L485[11:59:08] <vifino> Atom.
L486[11:59:23] <Vexatos> 500MB right
now
L487[11:59:27] <Vexatos> with the full
Juno IDE installed
L488[12:00:03] <Vexatos> wait no
sorry
L489[12:00:18] <Vexatos> 400 right
now
L490[12:00:23] <Vexatos> something between
400 and 450
L491[12:00:31] <Vexatos> yea that looks
right
L492[12:00:35] <payonel> vscode is using
115MB right now, with ~200 c++ files open, and 3 c++ plugins
enabled
L493[12:01:03] <vifino> Right. So I can
have ~30 emacsen open for one Atom.
L494[12:01:10] <gamax92> pluma is using
44MB
L495[12:01:13] <Inari> I mean
L496[12:01:24] <Vexatos> I use atom mostly
for julia
L497[12:01:25] <Inari> Thats a pointless
metric
L498[12:01:28] <Vexatos> vscode for, like,
python and stuff
L499[12:01:41] <Vexatos> and IDEA for
java, scala and Lua, obviously
L500[12:01:44] <gamax92> how many emacs
does it take to screw in an atom?
L501[12:01:53] <vifino> gamax92: 1.
L502[12:02:13] <Izaya> Oh that's good,
with Windows 10 you can no longer kill the kernel with a malformed
font as they moved font rendering back into userspace
L503[12:02:40] <Vexatos> vifino, I still
need to learn how to use emacs properly
L504[12:02:43] <Vexatos> too many commands
:?
L505[12:03:15] <vifino> Vexatos: not
really? you're smart, you should be able to remember a few key
combinations.
L506[12:03:27] <Vexatos> I started using
it last week :?
L507[12:04:03] <vifino> Plain emacs or
spacemacs?
L508[12:04:09] <vifino> If the latter,
stop.
L509[12:04:10] <Vexatos> spacemacs
:P
L510[12:04:14] <Vexatos> nono spacemacs is
nice
L511[12:04:18] <vifino> .-.
L512[12:04:19] <Arcanitor> what is
"spacemacs"
L513[12:04:35] <Vexatos> it's emacs in
space
L514[12:04:40] <Vexatos> and it's
evil
L515[12:04:41] <vifino> Arcanitor: a huge
and bloated emacs configuration to make it like vim
L516[12:04:45] <Arcanitor> !shell
Vexatos
L517[12:04:47] <Vexatos> evil standing for
"emacs vi layer"
L518[12:04:57] <Vexatos> so you can use
vim controls in it :?
L519[12:05:03] <Arcanitor> michibot halp
pls
L520[12:05:18] <Arcanitor> vifino: so why
not just use vim
L521[12:05:27] <Izaya> Just use vim
L522[12:05:45] <vifino> Arcanitor: because
it's so big and has everything you could ever need, all the
time.
L523[12:05:46] <Vexatos> mostly because
magit is a thing and it's amazing ._.
L524[12:05:48] <gamax92> s/vim/nano/
L525[12:05:48] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
Just use nano
L526[12:05:55] <Izaya> Or if you must use
another OS, use evil mode
L527[12:06:01] <payonel> i should make my
own editor
L528[12:06:11] <gamax92> or fix the
existing one :^)
L529[12:06:25] <payonel> s/make my own/fix
the existing/
L530[12:06:35] <Izaya> I have an eventual
plan to write a vi clone in Lua
L531[12:06:39] <vifino> Izaya: I tend to
use emacs with a minimalish configuration.
L532[12:06:47] <vifino> irony mode is
great.
L533[12:06:50] <Izaya> Maybe it'd even run
on PsychOS
L534[12:06:54] <vifino> async
everything.
L535[12:07:02] <gamax92> Have been working
in python
L536[12:07:09] <Arcanitor> at least in
windows there is only one good text editor that i know of so this
argument is not a problem
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L539[12:07:58] <Izaya> I forget, does NP++
have a vi mode?
L540[12:08:09] <Vexatos> surely has a vi
plugin
L541[12:08:26] <Arcanitor> i don't know
and i don't care
L542[12:08:26] <Izaya> Eh.
L543[12:08:36] <Izaya> I'm gonna stick to
sshing into a real OS to do work then
L544[12:08:49] <Arcanitor> i can type text
in it, it isn't windows notepad, and it has syntax
highlighting
L545[12:11:00] <Izaya> Great. Well, I've
learned the vi(m) keybinds and now I find using a traditional
editor slower. You do you though.
L546[12:12:02] <gamax92> Arcanitor: Good
thing nobody asked you if you care or was even talking to you
directly
L547[12:12:18] <payonel> :|
L548[12:13:07] *
Arcanitor throws geckos at gamax92
L549[12:13:23] <payonel> i wonder which
debate causes more wars
L550[12:13:27] <payonel> editors or
languages
L551[12:14:06] <payonel> Inari: i didn't
know about this https://www.reddit.com/r/CatsInBusinessAttire/
L552[12:14:55] <gamax92> reddit has a lot
of interesting subreddits
L553[12:15:34] <payonel> gamax92: ever
found one of those fake ones? where people talk super passionately
and serious about something that doesn't actually exist?
L554[12:15:47] <payonel> i found one once,
and then i couldn't remember what it was
L555[12:15:50] <payonel> it was a weird
place
L556[12:16:27] <vifino> r/ooer
L557[12:18:14] <gamax92> I've seen one
where people make up stories about how a certain user is their
friend and how long they've known them and such on other
subreddits
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L559[12:35:11] <gamax92> I just usually
lurk on the emulation subreddit and tfts
L560[13:01:59] <vifino> r/unixporn don't
judge me.
L561[13:03:08] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> hovers over the "judge" button but
hesitates
L562[13:03:26] <vifino> pls no
L563[13:03:43] <vifino> i have an
addiction but its ok
L564[13:04:38] <vifino> payonel: where is
your feedback to sled?!
L565[13:04:46] <vifino> WHAT DO I PAY YOU
FOR?!
L566[13:06:29] <Forecaster>
you pay payonel to go sledding?
<Forecaster>
you pay payonel to go sledding?L567[13:07:09] <vifino> no, https://github.com/vifino/sled
L568[13:07:37] <Michiyo> ... the log
viewer is broken suddenly
L569[13:07:42] *
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L572[13:14:48] <Michiyo> there..
L573[13:22:13] <gamax92> vifino: I
searched top of the month and the first link is a light theme
L574[13:25:04] <payonel> sorry i was
afk
L575[13:25:43] <gamax92> payonel: where do
you lurk
L576[13:26:08] <payonel> vifino: i'll have
to take a look later :)
L577[13:27:35] <Michiyo> test
L578[13:27:43] <payonel> gamax92: on
reddit? i try to keep away
L579[13:27:48] <Michiyo> well... my auto
refresh is broken.. :/
L580[13:27:49] <gamax92> oh no
L581[13:27:56] <gamax92> payonel: sorry
for your loss
L582[13:28:14] *
Izaya lurks imageboards more than reddit nowdays
L583[13:31:49] <Michiyo> merp
L584[13:33:12] <gamax92> ~markov
Michiyo
L585[13:33:12] <ocdoc> Hacking away at the
local computer = computer and put a new disk in my opinion..
L586[13:34:31] *
Michiyo pokes Neo
L587[13:34:35] <Michiyo> WTF are you
doing?
L588[13:36:35] <Lizzian>
matrixing
<Lizzian>
matrixingL589[13:38:02] <Michiyo> o_O
L590[13:38:10] <Michiyo> I've somehow
ended up with duplicate line numbers
L591[13:38:12] <Michiyo> ffs!
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L594[13:47:26] <Michiyo> yep, a join and a
message ended up with the same number
L595[13:47:37] <Michiyo> looks like the
same thing has happened a few times..
L596[13:47:55] <Izaya> half way back to
the bubble
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L598[13:53:46] <Michiyo> 2 27's 3 32's 3
74's ._.
L599[13:54:09] <Michiyo> the 32's were
Forecaster's bot join message message
L600[13:54:25] <Michiyo> the 27's and 74's
were me breaking networking lol
L601[14:01:01] <Michiyo> So.. I need to
come up with a better method of line number counting ._.
L602[14:01:24] <Forecaster>
did you try counting... down?!
<Forecaster>
did you try counting... down?!L603[14:01:29] <Forecaster>
that'll work right?
<Forecaster>
that'll work right?L604[14:01:34] *
Michiyo sighs
L605[14:02:18] <Forecaster>
there aren't that many options D:
<Forecaster>
there aren't that many options D:L606[14:02:25] <Michiyo> the issue is
everything has it's own handler, so it's fired independently... and
inserts can happen at the same time
L607[14:02:37] <Michiyo> so I can't just
go line++
L608[14:03:24] <Forecaster>
add to a queue, then pull in from the queue in order and then
calculate the line number?
<Forecaster>
add to a queue, then pull in from the queue in order and then
calculate the line number?L609[14:03:38] <Izaya> well fuck, Rimmer
actually managed to do something useful
L610[14:03:44] <Izaya> this is
unusual
L611[14:03:46] <Forecaster>
who?
<Forecaster>
who?L612[14:04:06] <Izaya> neurotic dead guy
from Red Dwarf
L613[14:04:08] <Michiyo> red dwarf?
L614[14:04:10] <Michiyo> lol
L615[14:04:13] <Michiyo> yay
L616[14:04:38] <Izaya> got a long trip
back to the bubble so I figured I might as well watch an episode or
two
L617[14:05:29] <Michiyo> @Forecaster, I'm
too dead to figure out how to do that
L618[14:05:46] <Michiyo> it's simple, I
know...
L619[14:05:48] <Michiyo> but fuuuu
L620[14:05:50] <Michiyo> zzzzzz
L621[14:06:09] <Forecaster>
procastrinate!
<Forecaster>
procastrinate!L622[14:12:35] <MalkContent> kay
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L625[14:18:49] <Kodos> IRC feels much
cleaner with joins and parts hidden
L626[14:33:09] <Izaya> back in the bubble
:D
L627[14:33:24] <Izaya> Time to make some
outfitting changes, I think.
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L629[14:52:34] <payonel> https://cdn.dopl3r.com/memes_files/bounder-atdawgbelly-a-small-joy-in-my-life-is-tht-my-sis-is-dating-a-guy-w-the-same-name-as-her-cat-human-nigel-hates-tht-we-all-call-him-human-nigel-51117-549-pm-113k-retweets-335k-likes-XLz9u.jpg
L630[14:52:38] <payonel> that's a HUGE
url
L631[14:52:42] <payonel> new web service
idea
L632[14:52:52] <payonel> opposite of url
shorteners
L633[14:53:00] <Izaya> url
lengtheners
L634[14:53:08] <payonel> https://tinyurl.com/y87x8gxx
L635[14:53:15] <Izaya> uses page contents
to make obnoxiously long urls/
L636[14:53:21] <payonel> :)
L637[14:53:49] <payonel> all generated
urls guaranteed to be 2,083 chars long
L638[14:54:23] <Michiyo> I liked shady
url.. lol
L639[14:54:32] <Izaya> so here's the
decision I'm faced with: I'm going to leave my refinery and AFM off
most of the time, but I won't be able to run them simultaneously
because both of them go significantly over my power limit
L640[14:54:55] <payonel> Izaya:
batteries
L641[14:54:57] <Izaya> do I want to spend
lots on the AFM which will use lots of power or not much on one
that uses less power but uses more ammo
L642[14:55:03] <Izaya> payonel: no
batteries
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L644[14:55:12] <payonel> ok, step 0: add
batteries
L645[14:55:21] <Izaya> there are no
batteries
L646[14:55:38] <Michiyo> http://www.5z8.info/openme.exe_p2f9ti_stealgmailpassword--
L647[14:55:43] <Michiyo> lol..
L648[14:56:49] <payonel> haha
L649[15:00:19] <AmandaC> Well, that
explains why I couldn't tlak on the phone earlier when my doctor
called. Apparently my laptop decided it should be a bluetooth
headset for it.
L650[15:04:16] <Inari> Haha
L652[15:08:38] <MichiBot> UplinkOS -
The Classic Hacker Sim, Updated for 2018 | length: 18m
15s | Likes: 390 Dislikes:
3 Views: 3,144 | by Scott
Manley | Published On 8/1/2018
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L655[15:19:18] <Inari> Whats a good modern
RTS iwth a nice singleplayer campaign? Preferably with multiple
ages, like Age of Empries or Empire Earth, but others work
too
L656[15:20:22] <Arcanitor> um
L657[15:20:30] <Arcanitor> They are
Billions (sort of)
L658[15:20:55] <Arcanitor> there's no
campaign just yet though
L660[15:22:34] <Inari> Yeah I was looking
at getting that, but doesn't have a campaign yet and didnt' look
more into it yet
L661[15:22:46] <Dudblockman> \*grabs pitchfork\*
<Dudblockman> \*grabs pitchfork\*L662[15:23:23] <Inari> Though I'm also not
too huge a fan of the setting
L663[15:23:30] <Inari> I don't mind
zombies directly, but als onot a huge fan :P
L664[15:25:46] <Arcanitor> I don't like
zombies at all really
L665[15:25:53] <Arcanitor> but i love they
are billions for some reason
L666[15:26:31] <Arcanitor> @Dudblockman
BURN THE HERETIC
L667[15:26:34] <Inari> I'm mostly
interested since it seems to be about basebuilding and such
L668[15:26:55] <Inari> "OpenComputers
is garbage" - person who's too lazy to set up
autocrafting
L669[15:27:22] <Inari> I was considerign
writing a program for OC to craft its components :P For the lazy
people
L670[15:27:26] <Inari> Maybe that already
exists
L671[15:27:32] <CompanionCube> >needs
JS to display a static image
L672[15:27:34] <CompanionCube> this is
bad.
L673[15:27:41] <Arcanitor> gyazo?
L674[15:28:05] <Izaya> Inari: 0ad is
okay
L675[15:28:06] <CompanionCube> yes,
because if I didn't click temp allow all on noscript I got a blank
page
L676[15:28:09] <Izaya> if rather
buggy
L677[15:28:14] <Izaya> but it's free as in
freedum and free beer
L678[15:28:28] <Inari> "rather
buggy" :p
L679[15:28:44] <Izaya> hey man
L680[15:28:50] <Izaya> you add 1000 units
and the game goes fucky
L681[15:28:54] <Izaya> it's gonna
happen
L682[15:29:11] <Inari> "it's gonna
happen"?
L683[15:29:33] <Izaya> your stuff stops
moving when you tell them to go through a gate, your computer
sounds like a jet engine, the game freaks out and then nothing
moves because pathing has broken
L684[15:29:57] <Inari> Well if your engine
doesn't handle 1000 units, you just don't allow 1000 units :D
L685[15:30:05] <Arcanitor> i assume 0ad is
a game
L686[15:30:06] <Izaya> they don't
L687[15:30:13] <Inari> probbaly
L688[15:30:16] <Izaya> totally didn't
abuse stuff to let me use that many
L689[15:30:25] <Dudblockman> I might do that too... set up
a robot buddy and ask it to craft me a graphics card or
something
<Dudblockman> I might do that too... set up
a robot buddy and ask it to craft me a graphics card or
somethingL690[15:30:42] <Arcanitor> i have never
set up autocrafting for opencomputers
L691[15:30:50] <Arcanitor> it's not half
as bad as IC2, for example
L692[15:30:50] <CompanionCube> (or just
change the recipes)
L693[15:31:10] <Inari> CompanionCube: But
why
L694[15:31:28] <Dudblockman> I'm too lazy to set up AE2
crafters... yet somehow find the thought of setting up OC
autocrafting to be fun
<Dudblockman> I'm too lazy to set up AE2
crafters... yet somehow find the thought of setting up OC
autocrafting to be funL695[15:31:33] <Dudblockman> Explain.
<Dudblockman> Explain.L696[15:31:38] <Dudblockman> I confuse myself
<Dudblockman> I confuse myselfL697[15:31:40] <CompanionCube> Inari:
because that's clearly what they want
L698[15:31:51] <Inari> :p
L699[15:31:51] <Izaya> Unneccesarily
complicated systems are fun.
L700[15:32:36] <Dudblockman> The first thing that comes to
mind when I think about making an AE2 crafter is 'unneccessary
microcrafting'
<Dudblockman> The first thing that comes to
mind when I think about making an AE2 crafter is 'unneccessary
microcrafting'L701[15:32:57] <Dudblockman> But when I stop and look at
it... it isn't that bad
<Dudblockman> But when I stop and look at
it... it isn't that badL702[15:32:59] <Izaya> s/U/Implementing
u/
L703[15:32:59] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
Implementing unneccesarily complicated systems are fun.
L704[15:33:25] <Inari> Izaya: Does that
even have a campaign?
L705[15:33:39] <Dudblockman> Maybe its just me being tired
of doing the same ol solution every time
<Dudblockman> Maybe its just me being tired
of doing the same ol solution every timeL706[15:33:49] <Izaya> Inari: maybe?
haven't played it in a number of months
L707[15:33:58] <Inari> :p
L708[15:34:09] <Dudblockman> Been how many years of using
Applied Energistics for everything
<Dudblockman> Been how many years of using
Applied Energistics for everythingL709[15:34:29] *
Izaya only started using AE last year
L710[15:34:37] <Izaya> is boring
L711[15:35:10] <Dudblockman> Conveniant as all hell in the
inventory management problem that is modded minecraft
<Dudblockman> Conveniant as all hell in the
inventory management problem that is modded minecraftL712[15:36:08] <Inari> Oh right, one
condition is also that the AI doesn't just cheatlik ehell :P
L713[15:37:07] <Dudblockman> You have 54 slots per double
chest, and you are either going to have a few dozen sorted chests
or a dozen unorganized chests
<Dudblockman> You have 54 slots per double
chest, and you are either going to have a few dozen sorted chests
or a dozen unorganized chestsL714[15:37:38] <Izaya> drones +
crates
L715[15:37:59] <Dudblockman> I tried that at one point...
gave up :(
<Dudblockman> I tried that at one point...
gave up :(L716[15:38:10] <CompanionCube> Inari:
OpenRA exists
L717[15:38:15] <CompanionCube> but does
not have ages
L718[15:38:51] <Inari> It's also
ancinet
L719[15:39:17] <CompanionCube> an ancient
game that was updated in October.
L720[15:39:32] <Inari> Oh, the engine is
new. But the game itself is ancient
L721[15:40:28] <Dudblockman> I created half a storage
system... it was capable of indexing all connected inventories to a
file, and using that file to lookup and retrieve items
<Dudblockman> I created half a storage
system... it was capable of indexing all connected inventories to a
file, and using that file to lookup and retrieve itemsL722[15:41:27] <Dudblockman> Lost my sanity when I started
trying to implement adding items to the storage without requiring a
full rescan
<Dudblockman> Lost my sanity when I started
trying to implement adding items to the storage without requiring a
full rescanL723[15:42:30] <Inari> Sounds simple
enough :p
L724[15:42:43] <Dudblockman> Plus I failed miserably at
creating a GUI, and typing in commands was a PITA
<Dudblockman> Plus I failed miserably at
creating a GUI, and typing in commands was a PITAL725[15:43:07] <Inari> But what you really
want is that drones automatically add new chests, and you just have
a giant warehouse
L726[15:43:33] <Dudblockman> getitem minecraft:cobblestone
64
<Dudblockman> getitem minecraft:cobblestone
64L727[15:47:40] <Izaya> I had a drone-based
system that could keep a cache of stored items per slot
L728[15:47:47] <Izaya> could search and do
shitty globbing
L729[15:48:35] <Izaya> Huh, uplink got a
new GUI theme
L730[15:48:38] <Arcanitor> @dudblockman
what format were you storing the inventory in
L731[15:49:47] <Dudblockman> Essentially table
format
<Dudblockman> Essentially table
formatL732[15:50:10] <Dudblockman> A string that could be parsed
into a table
<Dudblockman> A string that could be parsed
into a tableL733[15:50:53] <Dudblockman> Each mod had a folder, each
item had a file
<Dudblockman> Each mod had a folder, each
item had a fileL734[15:51:20] <Arcanitor> i'd do it on an
inventory basis
L735[15:52:36] <Arcanitor> each inventory
is represented by a table that has a size value, a space value, and
a table representing the inventory
L736[15:53:05] <Dudblockman> Each item file contained a
list of each transposer connected to the system, along with which
face and slot number the item is located at
<Dudblockman> Each item file contained a
list of each transposer connected to the system, along with which
face and slot number the item is located atL737[15:53:48] <Dudblockman> Made keeping track of item
totals and retrieving specific items easy
<Dudblockman> Made keeping track of item
totals and retrieving specific items easyL738[15:54:23] <Arcanitor> that would make
adding new items and determining the availability and location of
free space hard
L739[15:54:38] <Dudblockman> But I worked myself into a
trap and the code became a hydra of bugs when I started working on
item addition
<Dudblockman> But I worked myself into a
trap and the code became a hydra of bugs when I started working on
item additionL740[15:55:15] <Dudblockman> "Fuck it I'm using
applied energistics"
<Dudblockman> "Fuck it I'm using
applied energistics"L741[15:56:21] <Dudblockman> Would probably work better if
I remade it to work off drones rather than transposers
<Dudblockman> Would probably work better if
I remade it to work off drones rather than transposersL742[15:57:30] <Arcanitor> hmm
L743[15:57:37] <Arcanitor> i
wonder...
L744[15:57:53] <Arcanitor> how does a hard
drive store and index data?
L745[15:58:28] <Dudblockman> Depends on if you are working
raw or not
<Dudblockman> Depends on if you are working
raw or notL746[15:58:34] <S3> on OC?
L747[15:59:01] <Izaya> in filesystem mode,
it stores it on your real filesystem
L748[15:59:03] <S3> the raw ones are just
a flat zlib zipped file in gzip format iirc and partitioned into
sectors
L749[15:59:07] <S3> each 512 bytes
L750[15:59:16] <Izaya> oh it's
compressed?
L751[15:59:20] <S3> yes
L752[15:59:26] <Dudblockman> In actuality, it's just using
your pcs filesystem
<Dudblockman> In actuality, it's just using
your pcs filesystemL753[15:59:36] <Izaya> that's both nice
and inconvenient
L754[15:59:40] <Dudblockman> But raw is all... yeah
that
<Dudblockman> But raw is all... yeah
thatL755[15:59:42] <Izaya> can I turn that off
if I want to?
L756[16:00:39] <Dudblockman> When you are working with it,
isn't it plain ol bits?
<Dudblockman> When you are working with it,
isn't it plain ol bits?L757[16:00:53] <Izaya> 512 byte
sectors
L758[16:00:56] <S3> Izaya: I haven't found
a way but I haven't looked
L759[16:00:59] <Dudblockman> I haven't touched raw
manipulation
<Dudblockman> I haven't touched raw
manipulationL760[16:01:00] <Arcanitor> no i'm talking
about how actual IRL filesystems work
L761[16:01:06] <Arcanitor> what with disk
sectors and all
L762[16:01:10] <S3> dudblockman raw is so
nice
L763[16:01:19] <Izaya> modern filesystems
are complicated
L764[16:01:22] <S3> in my OS I was caching
sectors in lua memory
L765[16:01:32] <Dudblockman> If you like it raw
(lennyface)
<Dudblockman> If you like it raw
(lennyface)L766[16:01:34] <S3> so I was getting
fatser IO writes than non raw
L767[16:01:35] <CompanionCube> Arcanitor:
I know at least one PDF about that
L768[16:01:37] <Izaya> not sure what ZFS
uses but btrfs is based on a binary tree
L769[16:01:45] <Izaya> S3: that seems v.
convenient
L770[16:01:53] <Arcanitor> i feel like a
good way to index and store items would be the same way that data
is stored on a hard disk
L771[16:01:55] <S3> Izaya: but has a huge
problem
L772[16:01:56] <Izaya> ext4 isn't exactly
modern any more
L773[16:02:01] <CompanionCube> Practical
Filesystem Deisgn with the Be File System. https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/practical-file-system-design.pdf
L774[16:02:03] <Arcanitor> since you have
essentially the same problems
L775[16:02:07] <S3> if you just shut off
the computer you end up with FS corruption problems like a real
nonjournaled machine
L776[16:02:10] <Arcanitor> where is my
stuff stored
L777[16:02:17] <Arcanitor> and where is
the free space
L778[16:02:20] <Dudblockman> If I re-attempt that
<Dudblockman> If I re-attempt thatL779[16:02:30] <Arcanitor> S3: which is
why you should rescan the system on startup
L780[16:02:30] <S3> Izaya: so my idea was
to make a very very simple journaling OC raw filesystem
format
L781[16:02:32] <Dudblockman> I'll approach it from a
different angle
<Dudblockman> I'll approach it from a
different angleL782[16:02:42] <S3> Arcanitor: right, it
requires some sort of journal
L783[16:02:45] <Izaya> I need to poke at a
raw fs for PsychOS
L784[16:02:46] <Dudblockman> I just got fed up
<Dudblockman> I just got fed upL785[16:02:48] <S3> meta journals are nice
but a bit complicated
L786[16:02:52] <S3> and full journals are
very costly
L787[16:02:59] <CompanionCube> Izaya: at a
high-level ZFS is a self-validating merkle tree
L788[16:03:45] <S3> Izaya: I have started
coming with the idea that instead of dealing with files the idea of
files should go away and everything is sort of just a virtual
resource
L789[16:03:55] <S3> for example, a
database server can be raw blocks on disk
L790[16:04:00] <S3> instead of in
files
L791[16:04:12] <Arcanitor> i mean the idea
of files only exists at a higher level?
L792[16:04:16] <CompanionCube> S3: so your
system would be closer to an exokernel
L793[16:04:17] <S3> it isn't much
different than what files are already
L794[16:04:20] <S3> it is just a bit more
flexible
L795[16:04:30] <S3> oh I have an entire
exokernel design for OS
L796[16:04:33] <S3> but tbh
L797[16:04:36] <S3> OC*
L798[16:04:53] <S3> but tbh OC's OpenOS is
essentially an exokernel already when you look at it
L799[16:05:00] <Dudblockman> The funny thing about my
implementation
<Dudblockman> The funny thing about my
implementationL800[16:05:10] <CompanionCube> Arcanitor:
files are purely a logical construct provided by the vast majority
of filesystems
L801[16:05:20] <S3> it grants full access
to hardware upon request, but unlike a real world exokernel it ha
svery little security in that aspect of course
L802[16:05:21] <Dudblockman> I terrified myself over
interference
<Dudblockman> I terrified myself over
interferenceL803[16:05:27] <Arcanitor> i am aware, as
is the concept of a filesystem
L804[16:05:54] <Dudblockman> "What if an item was
removed and my system didn't know?"
<Dudblockman> "What if an item was
removed and my system didn't know?"L805[16:05:55] <S3> the nice thing about
OC
L806[16:05:55] <Arcanitor> @dudblockman:
well, only one computer gets to touch a filesystem directly
L807[16:06:00] <Arcanitor> other computers
have to go through it
L808[16:06:03] <S3> is that the disks are
sorta solid state
L809[16:06:14] <S3> it will take about the
same access time to access anything in MC world time
L810[16:06:19] <Dudblockman> Well my paranoia was over the
chests
<Dudblockman> Well my paranoia was over the
chestsL811[16:06:28] <S3> and so positional
fragmentation is not a problem
L812[16:06:36] <S3> if your file is
strewed randomly all over the disk
L813[16:06:45] <S3> it won't perform any
worse, granted you don't write your filesystem like an idiot
L814[16:06:57] <S3> however, alignment
fragmentation is where performance issues come
L815[16:06:59] *
payonel is pinged by "openos"
L816[16:07:00] <payonel> sup
L817[16:07:08] <payonel> i'm an
exokernel?
L818[16:07:19] <S3> rofl
L819[16:07:22] <S3> sorta
L820[16:07:26] <Dudblockman> I drove myself crazy over the
thought of me breaking my own system
<Dudblockman> I drove myself crazy over the
thought of me breaking my own systemL821[16:07:26] <payonel> i'd exo- it more
but ...
L822[16:07:33] <payonel> it actually costs
memory to add abstraction
L823[16:07:52] <Dudblockman> My system must be idiot-proof
because I'm an idiot
<Dudblockman> My system must be idiot-proof
because I'm an idiotL824[16:07:59] <S3> Here's the one thing
that always distracts me from writing my own OC OS and making it
something amazing: I realize every time, "Why am I doing
this?"
L825[16:08:09] <S3> because I have better
shit to do with my time than make a fantasy OS
L826[16:08:26] <S3> EVEN though I do crazy
shit with my time anyways
L827[16:08:32] <S3> but OS is a whole new
level of time comittment
L828[16:08:52] <Dudblockman> I made a medical kiosk where
people could 'purchase' minechem chemicals
<Dudblockman> I made a medical kiosk where
people could 'purchase' minechem chemicalsL829[16:09:03] <Arcanitor> @dudblockman
the only entity who should EVER be able to put things into or out
of the storage should be the computer controlling the storage
L830[16:09:14] <Arcanitor> if you or other
computers want items out of or into the storage
L831[16:09:21] <Arcanitor> they should
have to ask the storage
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L833[16:09:24] <Dudblockman> I drove myself crazy
because... what if
<Dudblockman> I drove myself crazy
because... what ifL834[16:09:36] *
CompanionCube doubts a conventional filesystem would translate well
to items and blocks
L835[16:09:37] <S3> if I made an OS it'd
be based on the actor model for computing clusters. However, this
wouldn't provide us better performance in numbers, instead it would
allow us to create component controlling networks that are
complex
L836[16:09:46] <S3> where resources of
components can be shared in large networks in MC
L837[16:10:07] <Arcanitor> CompanionCube:
make a block or sector or whatchamacallit one
"stack"
L838[16:10:07] *
Izaya has decided the next version of PsychOS will contain
something vaguely like 9p
L839[16:10:12] <Dudblockman> The chests should not be
accessed by anything but my computer... but what if
<Dudblockman> The chests should not be
accessed by anything but my computer... but what ifL840[16:10:19] <S3> the entire computing
group would act like a distributed exokernel for component
management
L841[16:10:30] <Dudblockman> As I say, it was total
paranoia
<Dudblockman> As I say, it was total
paranoiaL842[16:10:31] <S3> and component
management is all OC is about
L843[16:10:36] <CompanionCube> Arcanitor:
blocks and items are inherently non-hierarchial whereas the vast
majority of filesystems are the inverse.
L844[16:10:37] <Dudblockman> Or OCD
<Dudblockman> Or OCDL845[16:10:39] <Dudblockman> Idk
<Dudblockman> IdkL846[16:10:52] <Dudblockman> I just wanted it to handle
that
<Dudblockman> I just wanted it to handle
thatL847[16:11:00] <Arcanitor> CompanionCube:
FILESYSTEMS are hierarchial. The actual physical storage medium is
not.
L848[16:11:09] <S3> heh
L849[16:11:11] <Arcanitor> @Dudblockman if
the system detects a discrepancy have it rescan the system
L850[16:11:14] *
payonel plugs his hdd into another hdd
L851[16:11:15] <S3> my system design
doesn't even have a VFS
L852[16:11:17] <Dudblockman> But the way I initially set
up the program made handling that difficult
<Dudblockman> But the way I initially set
up the program made handling that difficultL853[16:11:23] <S3> there is a VFS in a
special module called libunix
L854[16:11:23] <CompanionCube> but your
premise is that it's best to treat blocks and items like a regular
filesystem does, so..
L855[16:11:29] <S3> which provides stuff
like open, etc
L856[16:11:39] <S3> you load it
L857[16:11:44] <S3> and BAM you can
creatre a unix like environment
L858[16:11:53] <Dudblockman> Especially since a full
rescan of a dozen double chests took too long for my sake
<Dudblockman> Especially since a full
rescan of a dozen double chests took too long for my sakeL859[16:11:55] <S3> and use nixy tools
that interface with it
L860[16:12:01] <S3> this way you can make
the OS into whatever system you'd like
L861[16:12:05] <S3> the exokernel glues it
together
L862[16:12:19] <S3> (This concept is from
my REAL hobby OS kernel written in C)
L863[16:12:27] <S3> that Iw as tinkering
with a ways back
L864[16:12:35] <payonel> S3: working on
openos was a blessing and a curse
L865[16:12:41] <Dudblockman> I just got lost to my own
paranoia and bad planning
<Dudblockman> I just got lost to my own
paranoia and bad planningL866[16:12:45] <S3> paheh
L867[16:12:49] <payonel> blessing because
it lets me pretend i'm a modder and lots of people use it
L868[16:13:09] <payonel> curse because
it's locked into a lot of pre-existing ... choices
L869[16:13:10] <S3> payonel: that's the
other thing
L870[16:13:17] <Dudblockman> My foresight is terrible, but
my hindsight is 20/20
<Dudblockman> My foresight is terrible, but
my hindsight is 20/20L871[16:13:37] <S3> if I made a nice
exokernel system for OC with full networking support, etc.. a huge
powerup from plan9k too.. nobody would use it but me
L872[16:13:41] <payonel> it's the vast
amount of pre-existing api and scripts that locks me into some
choices
L873[16:13:56] <Izaya> S3: I like that
part though
L874[16:13:57] <Arcanitor> CompanionCube:
maybe i'm not explaining myself properly
L875[16:14:07] <Izaya> if I decided to
break PsychOS horrifically, make everything not work
L876[16:14:07] <S3> Izaya: whys that
L877[16:14:10] <Izaya> who gives a
fuck?
L878[16:14:13] <S3> lol
L879[16:14:29] <S3> I'd want people to
hack on my kernel
L880[16:14:33] <Izaya> I can change
whatever I want, whenever I want, because I'm 1/1 users
L881[16:14:33] <S3> and see what they can
make of it
L882[16:14:51] <Arcanitor> but the idea is
that you treat itemstacks as data and the storage control computer
acts like an "itemsystem"
L883[16:15:03] <S3> that's nice
L884[16:15:17] <Izaya> and I mean
L885[16:15:22] <Izaya> maybe at some point
when I'm happy with it
L886[16:15:24] <payonel> Izaya: yeah, and
that's the curse of working on openos
L887[16:15:25] <Dudblockman> If OpenOS breaks... 99% of OC
mod users will complain XD
<Dudblockman> If OpenOS breaks... 99% of OC
mod users will complain XDL888[16:15:27] <Izaya> I'll put it on the
forums or something
L889[16:15:32] <S3> Arcanitor: there's
this saying I've been saying since I was like, 10
L890[16:15:35] <S3> maybe 12
L891[16:15:36] <Arcanitor> it is in charge
of abstracting the actual physical storage location on the disk to
a simple getItem(name,amount) or what have you
L892[16:15:36] <Johannes13> How can I
prevent my computer from crashing with the error "too long
without yielding"? I have nothing running on the
computer
L893[16:15:40] <S3> data is data is data
is data
L894[16:15:42] <S3> it's ALL the
same
L895[16:15:56] <payonel> @dudblockman
sadly (for my sake) a lot of people don't complain, not to me at
least
L896[16:15:57] <Izaya> maybe people will
use it and maybe people will contribute
L897[16:15:57] <Arcanitor> itemstacks are
data
L898[16:16:05] <S3> In the end it's just a
string of a couple states
L899[16:16:06] <Izaya> but I'll have a
solid system to use
L900[16:16:10] <S3> and even so
L901[16:16:16] <S3> a CPU is just a rock
we've tricked into thinking
L902[16:16:22] <Dudblockman> Johannes: It's likely server
lag causing it...
<Dudblockman> Johannes: It's likely server
lag causing it...L903[16:16:29] <Dudblockman> Not much can be done
<Dudblockman> Not much can be doneL904[16:16:42] <Johannes13> And as server
owener?
L905[16:17:05] <payonel> Johannes13:
running openos?
L906[16:17:13] <Johannes13> yes.
L907[16:17:22] <payonel> and it's at the
shell prompt? with a blinking cursor?
L908[16:17:27] <Johannes13> yes.
L909[16:17:30] <payonel> and it crashes
with TLWY ?
L910[16:17:36] <Johannes13> yes.
L911[16:17:54] <S3> tlwy what
L912[16:18:01] <payonel> ...wow, that
means you're getting >=4.5s server-side lag spikes
L913[16:18:12] <payonel> TLWY:
too-long-without-yielding
L914[16:18:13] <Dudblockman> Too long without yield is a
BIOS error... in my experience
<Dudblockman> Too long without yield is a
BIOS error... in my experienceL915[16:18:16] <S3> ohhh
L916[16:18:18] <Johannes13> (not all the
time, but when I come back 2 or 3 days later, it has crashes)
L917[16:18:24] <S3> I realized that
payonel as soon as you sent it XD
L918[16:18:29] <payonel> @dudblockman not
just bios
L919[16:18:32] <Dudblockman> Servers with terrible lag
spikes will nuke all computers
<Dudblockman> Servers with terrible lag
spikes will nuke all computersL920[16:18:42] <S3> Why do we even call it
a BIOS
L921[16:18:44] <S3> it's not even a
BIOS
L922[16:18:47] <Dudblockman> Root level?
<Dudblockman> Root level?L923[16:18:54] <payonel> S3: it's bios-y
enough
L924[16:18:56] <Dudblockman> Whatever you wanna call
it
<Dudblockman> Whatever you wanna call
itL925[16:19:00] <CompanionCube> call it
firmware?
L926[16:19:04] <Dudblockman> EEPROM programs
<Dudblockman> EEPROM programsL927[16:19:12] <S3> imo it should just be
called a boot rom
L928[16:19:21] <payonel> Johannes13: what
oc version?
L929[16:19:33] <S3> But I am a cranky
computer engineer
L930[16:19:45] <Johannes13> Well, I have
root on the server running the minecraft server. It's just a small
VPS, and there are only 2 people playing on that server.
L931[16:19:55] <Dudblockman> but if a server has a
significant TPS drop...
<Dudblockman> but if a server has a
significant TPS drop...L932[16:20:07] <Johannes13> Yes, there are
some lag spikes, but usually, things go smothly.
L933[16:20:12] <Dudblockman> I have had it happen during
backups
<Dudblockman> I have had it happen during
backupsL934[16:20:50] <Dudblockman> Some backup implementations
kill the server t.t
<Dudblockman> Some backup implementations
kill the server t.tL935[16:20:59] <Johannes13> Only openos
computers make trouble then, because I can't reliable use them.
They won't restart on it's own, so they are useless for me without
babysitting.
L936[16:21:33] <payonel> Johannes13: if
you are idle at shell prompt and they crash, that's really no
longer just openos at fault
L937[16:21:40] <Dudblockman> Can you boot from fatal error
off redstone?
<Dudblockman> Can you boot from fatal error
off redstone?L938[16:21:58] <Johannes13> FTB Direwolf20
1.12 - OpenComputers 1.7.1.43
L939[16:22:10] <Dudblockman> I recall being able to use
redstone to boot
<Dudblockman> I recall being able to use
redstone to bootL940[16:22:13] <payonel> Johannes13: shell
prompt idle is repeatedly calling yield, doesn't "do"
anything else
L941[16:22:21] <payonel> so, it's really
just lag spikes in that case
L942[16:22:22] <payonel> really bad
ones
L943[16:23:10] <payonel> stuff like this
makes me want to move the yield timeout based on server ticks, and
not real time
L944[16:23:17] <Dudblockman> Basically: Server bad, oc
kills itself to protect server
<Dudblockman> Basically: Server bad, oc
kills itself to protect serverL945[16:23:40] <Dudblockman> Even though it isn't the
problem
<Dudblockman> Even though it isn't the
problemL946[16:23:55] <Izaya> tfw you realise how
bad you are at flying the SRV
L947[16:24:15] <S3> Wow blue screen
L948[16:24:28] <S3> I have two big
projects I kinda wanna finish.. but still have yet to start
L949[16:24:31] <S3> because things
L950[16:26:18] <payonel> xarses:
poke
L951[16:26:53] <Johannes13> Well, world
gen produces lag spikes. And the ability to fly doesn't help with
that either. It just happens. Nothing I can (or will) do about it,
because it would mean getting a better server, so spending real
money. And as I said, the few lag spikes are fine for me.
L952[16:27:36] <CompanionCube> you could
just set a world border
L953[16:27:55] <CompanionCube> and then
pregen bits not already done
L954[16:27:57] <Izaya> doesn't that mean
bukkit?
L955[16:28:16] <Johannes13> Nope, World
Border is vanilla
L956[16:28:21] <Izaya> wat
L957[16:28:23] <Izaya> since when
L958[16:28:30] <neumond>
pregenerate world and set borders
<neumond>
pregenerate world and set bordersL959[16:28:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
1.8
L960[16:28:41] <S3> you have to go a LONG
ways for that though
L961[16:28:43] <S3> it's so far
L962[16:28:46] <Izaya> oh
L963[16:28:46] <Johannes13> and pregen is
forge.
L964[16:29:00] <Izaya> minecraft stopped
having interesting updates some time around 1.2 so I stopped paying
attention
L965[16:29:08] <Johannes13> and then there
is RFTools Dimensions.
L966[16:29:20] <S3> it's funny, it'd be
nice if I can come up with a truly infinite random generation
scheme
L967[16:29:26] <S3> by somehow
"seaming the tears"
L968[16:29:54] <S3> I have seen people
make seamless perlin noise spheres
L969[16:29:58] <Johannes13> Nope, as I
said, we are two people on the server, and it doesn't really matter
that there are some lag spikes sometimes.
L970[16:30:04] <S3> how the heck they do
that I will never know
L971[16:30:50] <Johannes13> But OC
crashing because the server is currently busy doing something else
is the problem.
L972[16:31:50] <payonel> Johannes13: in
the meantime (until i either come up with a better solution or,
until you find what is lagy about the server)
L973[16:32:00] <payonel> you can edit the
oc configuration (server side only needed)
L974[16:32:09] <payonel> to change the
timeout from 5 to something larger
L975[16:32:11] <Dudblockman> I ran into that issue on a
public server
<Dudblockman> I ran into that issue on a
public serverL976[16:32:22] <neumond>
eventually I have problems with saving/restoring computer on chunk
unloads
<neumond>
eventually I have problems with saving/restoring computer on chunk
unloadsL977[16:32:47] <Johannes13> yes, that
should work.
L978[16:32:54] <neumond>
just finding frozen screen with last picture and offline
computer
<neumond>
just finding frozen screen with last picture and offline
computerL979[16:33:25] <Johannes13> As I said,
it's a small private server and I trust the players that are
playing there, so I should be fine.
L980[16:33:29] <Dudblockman> I used a computer to moderate
a diesel gen
<Dudblockman> I used a computer to moderate
a diesel genL981[16:34:06] <Dudblockman> It produced more power than I
used, but also consumed fuel faster than I could produce
crops
<Dudblockman> It produced more power than I
used, but also consumed fuel faster than I could produce
cropsL982[16:34:41] <neumond> in
factorio I usually turn on generators using a trigger
<neumond> in
factorio I usually turn on generators using a triggerL983[16:34:43] <Dudblockman> Every few days the server
would get a significant lag spike
<Dudblockman> Every few days the server
would get a significant lag spikeL984[16:35:03] <Johannes13> I would have
used Integrated Dynamics.
L985[16:35:10] <neumond>
accumulators less than 10% setting trigger ON, 100% change setting
trigger OFF
<neumond>
accumulators less than 10% setting trigger ON, 100% change setting
trigger OFFL986[16:35:21] <Dudblockman> Crashes my computer I used to
run it
<Dudblockman> Crashes my computer I used to
run itL987[16:35:22] <neumond>
works like a clock
<neumond>
works like a clockL988[16:35:44] <Dudblockman> Sometimes it would be kind
and crash in the off state
<Dudblockman> Sometimes it would be kind
and crash in the off stateL989[16:36:08] <Johannes13> Haha, yeah,
did that too by reading and filtering on the content of my Refined
Storage system...
L990[16:36:16] <Dudblockman> Requiring a quick bit of
percussive maintenance
<Dudblockman> Requiring a quick bit of
percussive maintenanceL991[16:36:44] <Dudblockman> The more annoying format was
being stuck in the "On" state
<Dudblockman> The more annoying format was
being stuck in the "On" stateL992[16:37:08] <Dudblockman> Where it would waste my fuel
at an alarming rate
<Dudblockman> Where it would waste my fuel
at an alarming rateL993[16:37:24] <Dudblockman> And I would return to be
starved of fuel and power
<Dudblockman> And I would return to be
starved of fuel and powerL994[16:38:16] <Dudblockman> And I would need to pull out
my reserve barrel of fuel to kickstart the system
<Dudblockman> And I would need to pull out
my reserve barrel of fuel to kickstart the systemL995[16:38:42] <Dudblockman> And refuel my excessive
number of vibrant capacitor banks
<Dudblockman> And refuel my excessive
number of vibrant capacitor banksL996[16:39:59] <neumond>
actually this turning on and off all the time quite natually
represents what happens in real life
<neumond>
actually this turning on and off all the time quite natually
represents what happens in real lifeL997[16:40:22] <neumond>
they turn on and off generators, whole electrostations, additional
fuelled generators, etc
<neumond>
they turn on and off generators, whole electrostations, additional
fuelled generators, etcL998[16:40:25] <Dudblockman> That was what my program
did
<Dudblockman> That was what my program
didL999[16:40:50] <neumond>
just to fit the demand at maximum efficiency
<neumond>
just to fit the demand at maximum efficiencyL1000[16:41:11] <Dudblockman> Turn on generator when my
buffer capacitor dropped, turn off when it exceeds 99%
<Dudblockman> Turn on generator when my
buffer capacitor dropped, turn off when it exceeds 99%L1001[16:41:51] <Dudblockman> I had a small capacitor
between my generator and my unholy massive capacitor
<Dudblockman> I had a small capacitor
between my generator and my unholy massive capacitorL1002[16:42:00] <neumond> but.. in real life you usually
can't just have capacitors, you have to predict demand
<neumond> but.. in real life you usually
can't just have capacitors, you have to predict demandL1003[16:42:07] <Dudblockman> Yep
<Dudblockman> YepL1004[16:42:30] <Dudblockman> But I had my accumulators
:p
<Dudblockman> But I had my accumulators
:pL1005[16:43:02] <Dudblockman> My logic was there were a few
things I did that used massive amounts of RF
<Dudblockman> My logic was there were a few
things I did that used massive amounts of RFL1006[16:43:35] <Dudblockman> But since I had a renewable
source of power and my base was chunkload 24/7
<Dudblockman> But since I had a renewable
source of power and my base was chunkload 24/7L1007[16:44:14] <Dudblockman> If I could save enough power
to run a usual play session, my banks would fill by the next
time
<Dudblockman> If I could save enough power
to run a usual play session, my banks would fill by the next
timeL1008[16:45:20] <Dudblockman> So I really only needed a
single diesel generator with a stockpile of crops, fuel, and
energy
<Dudblockman> So I really only needed a
single diesel generator with a stockpile of crops, fuel, and
energyL1009[16:46:32] <Dudblockman> As, on average over time, I
never really exceeded 4096 rf/t
<Dudblockman> As, on average over time, I
never really exceeded 4096 rf/tL1010[16:56:06] <Johannes13> I love
fusion reactors. Renewable resource (water), insane ammount of
energy produced. Yeah, THE endgame generator.
L1011[17:07:47] <Michiyo> *restart
L1012[17:07:58] <Michiyo> ...
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L1014[17:10:22] <Michiyo> Ok, tomorrow,
the live refresh option on the logging site will work again
L1015[17:10:29] <Michiyo> I'd renumber
everything today... but too much work.
L1016[17:10:55] <Michiyo> (and who
cares.. in like 7 hours it won't matter)
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L1018[17:22:18] <Michiyo> .
L1019[17:22:41] <Michiyo> damn.. oh
well.. lol
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L1023[17:41:21] <AmandaC> %choose shower
now or later
L1024[17:41:21] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
shower now
L1025[17:42:39] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/wumcwj.jpg
L1026[17:44:06] <Dudblockman> Question: It has bothered me
for a while... but in this 1.7 pack I'm in computer.beep uses
noteblock sound
<Dudblockman> Question: It has bothered me
for a while... but in this 1.7 pack I'm in computer.beep uses
noteblock soundL1027[17:44:50] <Dudblockman> And now I used computronics
card to see if something there changed it
<Dudblockman> And now I used computronics
card to see if something there changed itL1028[17:46:26] <Dudblockman> Why is it making noteblock
sound?
<Dudblockman> Why is it making noteblock
sound?L1029[17:46:49] <Izaya> it does that, I
guess
L1030[17:47:07] <Dudblockman> Someting legacy? ._.
<Dudblockman> Someting legacy? ._.L1031[17:47:09] <Izaya> maybe the synth
stuff isn't working
L1032[17:47:26] <Dudblockman> *something, my h key is
borked
<Dudblockman> *something, my h key is
borkedL1033[17:48:37] <Dudblockman> I got bored and decided to
make an alarm sound thing
<Dudblockman> I got bored and decided to
make an alarm sound thingL1034[17:49:18] <Dudblockman> but I wanted to use the beep
noise... and the noteblock sound doesn't seem to respect
duration
<Dudblockman> but I wanted to use the beep
noise... and the noteblock sound doesn't seem to respect
durationL1035[17:53:54] <Dudblockman> huh
<Dudblockman> huhL1036[17:55:45] <Arcanitor> *testing
something*
L1037[17:55:49] <Arcanitor> it works cool
<Arcanitor> it works coolL1038[17:55:58] <Arcanitor> *but what if this*
<Arcanitor> *but what if this*L1039[17:56:03] <Dudblockman> Yeah I'm confounded
<Dudblockman> Yeah I'm confoundedL1040[17:56:07] <Arcanitor> mhhh
L1041[17:56:29] <Arcanitor>
irctalics
L1042[17:56:32] <Izaya> but does this
work
L1043[17:56:38] <Arcanitor> no
<Arcanitor> noL1044[17:56:53] <Arcanitor> just shows up
as plaintext
L1045[17:57:20] <Izaya> how dull
L1046[17:57:40] <Arcanitor> this is why
IRC > discord
L1047[17:57:58] <Izaya> It's a good
start.
L1048[17:58:13] <Arcanitor> ?
<Arcanitor> ?L1049[17:58:20] <Arcanitor> ...wat
L1050[17:58:44] <Izaya> while you're at
it, https://shadowkat.net/img/discord.webm
:D
L1051[17:59:02] <Dudblockman> But can you
:GWcfcThonk:
<Dudblockman> But can you
:GWcfcThonk:L1052[17:59:23] <Izaya>
:GWcfcThonk:?
L1053[17:59:27] <Izaya> Whatever does
that mean?
L1054[17:59:53] <Dudblockman> Discord emote, global emoji
from anoter server
<Dudblockman> Discord emote, global emoji
from anoter serverL1055[18:00:05] <Dudblockman> *damn you h key*
<Dudblockman> *damn you h key*L1056[18:00:12] <Izaya> But what does it
mean?
L1058[18:00:55] <Izaya> huh, that
thing
L1059[18:01:15] <neumond> one of good sides of IRC..
<neumond> one of good sides of IRC..L1060[18:01:29] <Arcanitor> no
emojicancer?
L1061[18:01:31] <Izaya> you don't have to
put up with as many dumb pictures?
L1062[18:01:39] <Dudblockman> lol
<Dudblockman> lolL1063[18:01:39] <Arcanitor> or at least
only UTF-8 emojicancer
L1064[18:03:49] <Izaya> there's a weechat
script that converts unicode pictures into their names
L1065[18:03:57] <Izaya> or at least the
particularly obnoxious ones
L1066[18:04:16] <Arcanitor> znc best
bouncer
L1067[18:04:56] <Izaya> nothin wrong with
znc
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L1069[18:07:44] <Dudblockman> Hmm
<Dudblockman> HmmL1071[18:07:49] <MichiBot> Title:
computer.beep produces no sound | Posted by: Omega-Haxors
| Posted: Mon Apr 06 03:14:54 CDT 2015 | Status:
closed
L1072[18:08:05] <Dudblockman> Sounds like te closest thing
to my problem
<Dudblockman> Sounds like te closest thing
to my problemL1073[18:08:18] <Dudblockman> Assuming noteblock was
implemented as a fallback sound
<Dudblockman> Assuming noteblock was
implemented as a fallback soundL1074[18:10:56] <Dudblockman> Might be the case... given I
have 131 mods in the folder
<Dudblockman> Might be the case... given I
have 131 mods in the folderL1075[18:12:48] <Dudblockman> Specifically, 131 jar
files...
<Dudblockman> Specifically, 131 jar
files...L1076[18:14:56] *
AmandaC still prefers emoji to what she had growing up, which was
:3 showing as eleven different things on eleven different
services.
L1077[18:15:12] <AmandaC> ( and a lot of
those services not allowing you to turn off the conversion )
L1078[18:16:13] <AmandaC> Never knew if
:o was going to be shocked, kissy, or what
L1079[18:16:32] <Dudblockman> *annoyed at how android
displays <3 as a droid with heart eyes rather than a
heart*
<Dudblockman> *annoyed at how android
displays <3 as a droid with heart eyes rather than a
heart*L1080[18:17:54] <iNick> greetings
all!
L1081[18:19:02] <AmandaC> hey iNick
L1082[18:19:36] <iNick> AmandaC \o
L1083[18:24:59] <Inari> Generally
":o" is surprised, no?
L1084[18:25:03] <Inari> Oh
L1085[18:25:10] <Inari> You mean those
weird services that turn them into other icons
L1086[18:25:13] <AmandaC> Inari: it's how
I've always used it
L1087[18:25:38] <AmandaC> Inari: that was
pretty much the defacto behaviour in the early '00s when I was
starting to chat online.
L1088[18:25:45] <AmandaC> ( changing them
into icons )
L1089[18:26:13] <AmandaC> Thus why I'm
fine with emojis, where they're all reasonably the same across the
board, and services have less incentive to fuck with normal ascii
emotes
L1090[18:26:45] <Dudblockman> Just... don't turn them into
a movie
<Dudblockman> Just... don't turn them into
a movieL1091[18:26:46] <AmandaC> My favourite
instance of this: :x (Sealed-lips, kissy, some bdsm mask thing
)
L1092[18:27:12] <AmandaC> I forget which
service it was that turned it into a bdsm mask thing
L1093[18:27:23] <AmandaC> but it was one
of the big ones, MSN, Yahoo, AIM, etc
L1094[18:27:48] <Inari> XD
L1095[18:28:11] <Inari> replacemnet is
the best way for censorship
L1096[18:28:27] <Inari> whore -> nice
lady at the street lamp
L1097[18:28:41] <AmandaC> Inari: I tried
that. "dam -> the thing that beavers build"
L1098[18:29:10] <AmandaC> Had a big laugh
when it turned my then-best-friend's name to "the things that
beavers buildon"
L1099[18:29:11] <Inari> Heh
L1100[18:30:28] <Dudblockman> *curses google for removing :
from :x and making my seach hard*
<Dudblockman> *curses google for removing :
from :x and making my seach hard*L1101[18:31:00] <Dudblockman> Sometimes you forget little
things like that
<Dudblockman> Sometimes you forget little
things like thatL1102[18:31:18] <Inari> Google is
generally a pain when you want to find something specific
L1103[18:31:26] <AmandaC> Just make sure
not to say "HOT" in this person's terratory
L1104[18:31:36] <AmandaC> Or, Each
Other
L1105[18:31:46] <AmandaC> /90s anime
joke
L1106[18:31:51] <Inari> ?
L1107[18:31:53] <Dudblockman> Heroes Of The storm
<Dudblockman> Heroes Of The stormL1108[18:32:03] <Dudblockman> :)
<Dudblockman> :)L1109[18:32:09] <Inari> google also loves
to assume two words mean the same
L1110[18:32:23] <Inari> I can't recall
what it was but I googled for somethingsomething upgrade or
such
L1111[18:32:29] <Inari> But it kept
including "update" searhc results
L1112[18:32:34] <Inari> Even when going
+"upgrade"
L1113[18:32:53] <Inari> And I don't mean
"did you mean <xzy>?" it didn't say anything, just
chucked them in with the results
L1114[18:33:14] <AmandaC> google tries to
be too clever sometimes
L1115[18:34:10] <payonel> Inari: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86cTIoMv2U&feature=youtu.be
L1116[18:34:11] <MichiBot> World's
smallest cat - Big Cats: Preview - BBC One | length: 1m
58s | Likes: 4,677 Dislikes:
22 Views: 79,217 | by
BBC | Published On 5/1/2018
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L1121[19:12:33] <Inari> payonel: I prefer
normal sized cats :D
L1122[19:14:40] *
AmandaC wonders how Inari feels about Maine Coons
L1123[19:23:43] <Inari> Maine Coons are
great :P
L1124[19:25:05] *
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:3
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L1133[21:27:11] <iNick> what's the trick?
Waypoints only pointing N E W or S, but not up or down?
L1134[21:28:04] <iNick> scrench still
only goes NEWS
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L1137[22:54:52] <XxRin_KagaminexX>
hello
L1138[22:55:51] <XxRin_KagaminexX> anyone
able to help me with a problem? im using 1.10.2 versions of
OpenComputers and GC, and i cant use the World sensor card.
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L1141[23:25:53] <Kodos> What sort of
issues are you having
L1142[23:26:24] <Mimiru>
they left...
<Mimiru>
they left...L1143[23:27:30] <Mimiru>
unless you meant nick, and they were pretty clear:P
<Mimiru>
unless you meant nick, and they were pretty clear:PL1144[23:34:25] <Kodos> Nope, I meant
Rin
L1145[23:34:30] <Kodos> I have joins and
parts hidden