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<Forecaster>
Shoot
 
L5[01:10:41] 

<Forecaster>
I thought I sorted the overloads out
 
L6[01:11:05] 

<Forecaster>
So existing calls would continue working
 
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<Forecaster>
%shell
 
L10[01:41:24] *
MichiBot loads hot electronics into a shell and fires it. It
strikes the ground near Sava, ds84182 and UnRealDinnerbone. They
each take 5, 3 and 3 splash damage respectively. 
L11[01:41:25] *
MichiBot If hot electronics had been less shiny it might not have
attracked the attention of a dragon. 
L12[01:48:10] <SAL9000>
s/attracked/attracted/
 
L13[01:48:56] 

<Forecaster>
hm, yes, probably
 
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L15[01:50:21] <Izaya> tfw grepping like
40GB of logs to find out who sent me a picture
 
L16[01:51:43] 

<Forecaster>
who did send you the picture?
 
L17[01:51:49] 

<Forecaster>
was it a picture of a face?
 
L19[01:52:02] <Izaya> it was a picture of a
white thinkpad
 
L20[01:52:31] 

<Forecaster>
tfw people use tfw without a face D:<
 
L21[01:52:57] <Izaya> tfw tfw can also mean
"that feeling when"
 
L22[01:53:47] 

<Forecaster>
huh, I guess
 
L23[01:54:13] 

<Forecaster>
%shell feelings
 
L24[01:54:13] *
MichiBot loads a subatomic hug into a shell and fires it. It
strikes feelings. They take 14 damage. GreaseMonkey and TheCryptek
take 10 and 1 splash damage respectively. 
L25[01:54:14] *
MichiBot The subatomic hug took the blue pill and fell
asleep. 
L26[01:54:20] 

<Forecaster>
woo, direct hit!
 
L27[01:54:31] 

<Forecaster>
also appropriate item
 
L28[01:54:44] <Izaya> and I mean, I could
describe in detail the feeling of the cat and the laptop and the
rain outside and etc
 
L29[01:54:48] <Izaya> but I only have
...
 
L30[01:55:10] <Izaya> 512-13
characters
 
L31[01:55:42] <Izaya> 499
 
L32[01:55:56] <Izaya> not between 512 and
13
 
L33[01:56:02] <Izaya> well
 
L34[01:56:10] <Izaya> it is between those
two but it's a definite number
 
L35[01:58:44] <Izaya> this is one of those
days where I wish I had a SSD in my gw box
 
L36[01:58:48] <Izaya> and more RAM
too
 
L37[01:59:28] <Izaya> 4GB is fine
especially considering it's sitting on 700M used presently but
when you look through the fs it's not a huge amount of
cache
 
L38[02:03:54] <Skye> Morning.
 
L39[02:08:36] 

<Forecaster>
Marbles
 
L40[02:19:27] 

<Forecaster>
woop, 9 more dust strings and some fixes
 
L41[02:19:38] 

<Forecaster>
%shell
 
L42[02:19:38] *
MichiBot loads parboiled water into a shell and fires it. It
strikes the ground near mrkirby153, Sangar and rikai. They each
take 6, 7 and 3 splash damage respectively. 
L43[02:37:10] <AshIndigo> %shell
MichiBot
 
L44[02:37:10] *
MichiBot loads a rubber ducky into a shell and fires it. It strikes
the ground near MichiBot, elucent and zsh. They each take 6, 1 and
5 splash damage respectively. 
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<Forecaster>
> - >
 
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<Forecaster>
also added a self-interaction check > _ >
 
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L61[04:37:26] 

<Forecaster>
Cat & Bunny
 
L62[04:45:26] <SAL9000> Izaya: I followed
your windows sanification guide ( 
https://shadowkat.net/news/5.html ) and it's
working great so far... but how do I make the xfce-panel
"cooperate" with windows? Ideally, it should reserve
space for itself just like windows' own panels do.
 
L63[04:45:39] <Izaya> uuuuuh
 
L64[04:45:51] <Izaya> I have it autohide at
the top of the screen
 
L65[04:46:40] <SAL9000> ugh, vcxsrv just
died horribly
 
L66[04:47:27] <Izaya> also
 
L67[04:47:38] <Izaya> people actually read
my blog?
 
L68[04:47:40] <Izaya> huh.
 
L69[04:47:52] 

<Forecaster>
"Windows is generally known as a Bad Thing" haha
 
L70[04:47:53] 

<Forecaster>
sure it is
 
L71[04:49:03] <Izaya> Not even worth
arguing
 
L72[04:49:11] <Izaya> You want to disagree,
\o/
 
L73[04:49:47] 

<Forecaster>
I don't argue non-facts
 
L74[04:50:14] 

<Forecaster>
I don't argue opinions [Edited]
 
L75[04:50:37] <Izaya> Excellent.
 
L76[04:51:17] <Izaya> SAL9000: 80% sure
there was a way to make windows not maximize stuff to a given
area
 
L77[04:51:24] <Izaya> not sure how
though
 
L78[04:52:19] <Izaya> some people here
probably know
 
L80[04:54:03] 

<Forecaster>
Dog(?)
 
L81[04:55:41] 

<Forecaster>
(Here's a fun opinion, I would never use a unix system as my
primary because I think it's bad)
 
L82[04:55:45] 

<Forecaster>
works for a server though
 
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L84[05:11:07] 

<Lizzy> all
depends on what your primary task on a pc is
 
L85[05:11:45] 

<Lizzy> mine
generally prefers linux/unix because it's easier to manage
stuff on those systems than others
 
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<Forecaster>
I don't know what you mean by "manage stuff"
 
L90[05:15:01] 

<Forecaster>
I manage my stuff fine :P
 
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L92[05:34:06] 

<Lizzy>
@Forecaster multiple virtual environments with python, unix sockets
fifo-files, etc
 
L93[05:38:35] 

<Lizzy> not
to mention that stuff like virtual switches for VMs is easier to
set up. has support for vlans natively (windows can't use them
anymore because M$)
 
L94[05:42:18] 

<Forecaster>
ah, I don't use that kind of stuff
 
L95[06:03:08] 

<Kodos>
Happy Birthday to me :3
 
L96[06:07:43] 

<Forecaster>
Happy birthday! Have a shell!
 
L97[06:07:48] 

<Forecaster>
%shell @Kodos
 
L98[06:07:48] *
MichiBot loads a cake into a shell and fires it. It strikes @Kodos.
They take 15 damage. lp and Xellurat take 6 and 2 splash damage
respectively. 
L99[06:08:11] 

<Forecaster>
and it contained a cake too, how appropriate!
 
L100[06:08:12] 

<Forecaster>
:D
 
L101[06:08:14] 

<Kodos>
?
 
L102[06:08:18] 

<Kodos>
It's getting smarter
 
L103[06:08:26] 

<Kodos> Not
sure if impressed or terrified
 
L104[06:09:54] 

<MGR> You
can shell people now?!
 
L105[06:09:59] 

<Forecaster>
....no
 
L106[06:10:03] 

<MGR> When
will MichiBot grow to control nuclear weapons?
 
L107[06:10:08] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> hides the mortar under a rug
 
L108[06:11:26] 

<MGR> inb4
MichiBot Skynet
 
L109[06:11:50] 

<Forecaster>
how do you know she doesn't already control nuclear
weapons?
 
L110[06:12:42] <Inari> %give MichiBot a
nuclear warhead
 
L111[06:12:43] *
MichiBot accepts the nuclear warhead and adds it to her
inventory 
L112[06:13:23] 

<Forecaster>
%give MichiBot an EMP warhead
 
L113[06:13:23] *
MichiBot accepts the EMP warhead and adds it to her
inventory 
L114[06:18:26] 

<MGR> Dun
dun dun
 
L115[06:18:29] 

<MGR>
%inventory count
 
L116[06:18:29] <MichiBot> The inventory
contains 39 items.
 
L117[06:18:45] 

<MGR>
@Forecaster If she already does, then it is over for humanity
 
L118[06:18:56] 

<Kodos>
%shell MGR
 
L119[06:18:57] *
MichiBot loads a wind-up sylph into a shell and fires it. It
strikes the ground near MGR, DFrostedWang and dequbed. They each
take 4, 10 and 3 splash damage respectively. 
L120[06:19:44] <Inari> %give MichiBot a
roper
 
L121[06:19:44] *
MichiBot accepts the roper and adds it to her
inventory 
L122[06:22:49] <AshIndigo> %shell
MichiBot
 
L123[06:22:50] *
MichiBot loads AshIndigo into a shell and fires it. It strikes the
ground near MichiBot, ` and Cazzar. They each take 10, 7 and 6
splash damage respectively. 
L124[06:23:21] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot a
heavy lead brick
 
L125[06:23:21] *
MichiBot accepts the heavy lead brick and adds it to her
inventory 
L126[06:25:44] 

<MGR>
Ack
 
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<MGR>
"$boss: We do it like in the old days! Use Excel!" ---
Quote 1/2
 
L131[06:34:51] 

<MGR> This
story went from using SQL and a real database, to using Access, to
using Excel
 
L132[06:35:00] <Arcanitor-> %fling
MGR
 
L133[06:35:01] *
MichiBot flings an IBM 5100 in a random direction. It hits MGR
right where they didn't expect. They take [3]
damage. 
L134[06:35:01] 

<MGR> I just
died a little inside
 
L135[06:35:05] <AshIndigo> is this
the
 
L136[06:35:06] 

<Forecaster>
fun fact, people still use excel for things
 
L137[06:35:15] <AshIndigo> *why use mysql
we have access story?
 
L138[06:35:16] 

<MGR>
@Forecaster This was a world-wide corporate database
 
L139[06:35:24] 

<Forecaster>
things™
 
L140[06:36:02] 

<MGR> Excel
definitely has its place. I have used Excel, and will happily use
it again. This is not the place for a spreadsheet.
 
L141[06:36:23] <Arcanitor-> @MGR have you
seen the excel rpg
 
L142[06:36:30] 

<MGR>
No
 
L143[06:36:32] 

<Forecaster>
I also, have used excel
 
L145[06:37:37] 

<MGR>
There's nothing wrong with using excel properly
 
L147[06:38:58] <AshIndigo> %give MichiBot
a cup of spiders
 
L148[06:38:59] *
MichiBot accepts the cup of spiders and adds it to her
inventory 
L149[06:39:44] 

<MGR>
Uhm
 
L150[06:39:49] 

<MGR> Are
they at least dead?
 
L151[06:39:56] 

<Forecaster>
no
 
L152[06:40:00] <AshIndigo> the top ones
are
 
L153[06:40:05] 

<MGR> Yeah,
then I'm not drinking that
 
L154[06:40:46] <Arcanitor-> %give MichiBot
a spray can of insecticide
 
L155[06:40:46] *
MichiBot accepts the spray can of insecticide and adds it to her
inventory 
L156[06:42:47] <AmandaC> AshIndigo...
why.
 
L157[06:43:04] <AmandaC> NOw I have to
burn MichiBot down.
 
L158[06:43:46] *
AshIndigo uses a squirt gun on AmandaC 
L159[06:44:14] <AmandaC> D:
 
L160[06:50:48] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot a
lit molotov cocktail
 
L161[06:50:48] *
MichiBot accepts the lit molotov cocktail and adds it to her
inventory 
L162[06:51:04] <AshIndigo> %shell
 
L163[06:51:04] *
MichiBot loads a sukusuku hakutaku into a shell and fires it. It
strikes the ground near Bigcheese, Oddstr13 and rashy. They each
take 8, 5 and 7 splash damage respectively. 
L164[06:51:41] 

<MGR> 2019:
MichiBot finally has enough weaponry given to her inventory that
she becomes a one bot army and conquers the world
 
L165[06:52:17] <AshIndigo> would she spare
us?
 
L166[06:52:30] <AmandaC> %choose ofc
I'd spare y'all or No.
 
L167[06:52:30] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
No.
 
L168[06:52:37] <AmandaC> RIP
Humanity
 
L169[06:53:04] 

<MGR>
%choose will you spare me or No
 
L170[06:53:04] <MichiBot> MGR: No
 
L171[06:53:08] 

<MGR>
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
L172[06:53:24] <AshIndigo> %choose spare
me or nope
 
L173[06:53:24] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: spare
me
 
L174[06:53:32] 

<MGR>
?!
 
L175[06:53:46] 

<MGR>
%choose spare me or no
 
L176[06:53:46] <MichiBot> MGR: spare
me
 
L177[06:53:51] 

<MGR>
?
 
L178[06:53:56] <AmandaC> Too late, y
 
L179[06:53:57] 

<Lizzy>
%choose Lizzy for goddess or Michiyo for goddess
 
L180[06:53:57] <MichiBot> Lizzy: Lizzy for
goddess
 
L181[06:53:58] 

<MGR> Just
took some convincing
 
L182[06:54:01] 

<Lizzy>
\o/
 
L183[06:54:07] *
AshIndigo bows down 
L184[06:54:13] <AmandaC> 'all are
already doomed from my first question
 
L185[06:54:32] 

<MGR>
%choose save me or no
 
L186[06:54:32] <MichiBot> MGR: save
me
 
L187[06:54:37] 

<MGR> 2/3
means I win
 
L188[06:54:40] <AshIndigo> %choose save
mgr or meh
 
L189[06:54:40] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: save
mgr
 
L190[06:54:41] <Corded> * <Lizzy>
saves MichiBot
 
L191[06:54:48] 

<MGR>
?
 
L192[06:55:00] <AmandaC> You don't
get to ask the question multiple times until you get the answer you
want, @MGR. That's not how that works.
 
L193[06:55:02] <Izaya> (several thousand)
visitors have been Saved.
 
L194[06:55:07] 

<MGR>
?
 
L195[06:55:12] <Izaya> %choose live or
die
 
L196[06:55:12] <MichiBot> Izaya:
live
 
L197[06:55:14] <Izaya> fuck.
 
L198[06:55:15] 

<MGR> Izaya,
count the shadows
 
L199[06:55:16] <Izaya> goddamnit.
 
L200[06:55:25] 

<MGR> Hey,
who turned out the lights?
 
L201[06:55:32] <AshIndigo> %choose kill
izaya or spare her
 
L202[06:55:33] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: kill
izaya
 
L203[06:55:41] <AshIndigo> ok
 
L204[06:55:46] <Izaya> I have an issue
with that choice but I'm fine with the answer.
 
L205[06:55:48] 

<MGR>
Doctor, we should go, now
 
L206[06:56:06] <AmandaC> Oh dear,
He's snapped from his impending doom.
 
L207[06:56:37] 

<MGR> I have
no impending doom, and I'm quoting from the same thing Izaya
is quoting from
 
L208[06:57:24] *
AmandaC makes a note in her calendar to prepare the next simulation
batch to start in 2020 
L209[06:57:54] 

<MGR> But
you'll be dead in 2019
 
L210[06:57:58] <AmandaC> Let's see if
we can get around the whole "rape and murder
neanderthals" thing this time
 
L211[06:58:39] <AmandaC> The interfact
into this simulation will be, yes.
 
L212[06:58:42] <AmandaC> interface*
 
L213[06:58:56] <AmandaC> Which is why
I'll have to tear it down and start from scratch
 
L214[06:58:59] *
Izaya wonders if AmandaC is a Humanoid Interface of the
IDSE 
L215[06:59:10] <AmandaC> Izaya: nah,
feline interface.
 
L216[06:59:25] <Izaya> Of the IDSE?
 
L217[06:59:42] <AmandaC> No idea what the
IDSE is
 
L218[07:00:00] <AshIndigo> %search
IDSE
 
L219[07:00:00] <MichiBot> AshIndigo:
Unknown sub-command 'IDSE' (Try: google, curseForge,
wiki, urban, ann, youtube)
 
L220[07:00:04] <AshIndigo> %search google
IDSE
 
L221[07:00:05] <MichiBot> AshIndigo:
https://idse.imss.gob.mx/ - *Bienvenido a IDSE ::
Instituto Mexicano del Seguro Social*: "Descarga la Guía de
Soluciones del portal IDSE. AVISOS IMPORTANTES. Si desea ingresar a
IDSE utilizando los archivos de su certificado digital FIEL del
SAT, en el campo de Usuario deberá capturar el RFC de la empresa
que representa y de la cual desea enviar movimientos. Si desea
enviar movimientos de sus ..."
 
L222[07:00:16] <AshIndigo> thanks
michibot
 
L223[07:01:02] <Izaya> Don't worry
about it :P
 
L224[07:03:21] *
Temia hugs the wind-up sylph 
L225[07:03:46] <AmandaC> %choose watch
more assassination classroom or try and do some work, even though
you're feeling ill
 
L226[07:03:46] <MichiBot> AmandaC: watch
more assassination classroom
 
L227[07:03:58] <Temia> This one did not
get enough sleep, oh no... =.=
 
L228[07:04:00] <Izaya> .... maybe shamisen
was an IDSE interface
 
L229[07:05:03] <AmandaC> %choose let it
rain first or meh
 
L230[07:05:03] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
meh
 
L231[07:05:14] *
AmandaC disagrees, goes out to sit in the rain some 
L232[07:05:41] 

<MGR> My
Internet provider has a plan that is "Good for unlimited
devices at the same time"
 
L233[07:05:51] 

<MGR> I
wonder what would happen if I proved them wrong
 
L234[07:06:05] 

<MGR> And
how much it would take to do so
 
L235[07:06:31] 

<Forecaster>
I'd bet they wouldn't care
 
L236[07:07:11] 

<MGR> But
could I sue them?
 
L237[07:07:21] 

<Forecaster>
you could try
 
L238[07:07:35] <Izaya> because that's
the first time advertising has lied
 
L239[07:08:29] 

<MGR> Well,
if you see some guy on the news that is suing his ISP, and has
several hundred devices connected into 1 Internet Gateway,
you'll know it's me ?
 
L240[07:08:41] <AmandaC> Speed and quality
of the link are generaly defined in legalese on the bottom of those
advertisements as on a "best effort / ideal" basis
 
L241[07:08:49] 

<MGR>
Yeah
 
L242[07:08:53] 

<MGR> It
says speeds will vary
 
L243[07:09:12] <S3> oh wth
 
L244[07:09:17] <S3> youtube videos dont
load anyrmore
 
L245[07:09:17] <AmandaC> So you can no
more sue them thanks for getting a 30 link when you pay for
50
 
L246[07:09:27] <Corded> * <MGR>
nods
 
L247[07:09:35] <AmandaC>
s/thanks/than/
 
L248[07:09:36] <MichiBot> <AmandaC>
So you can no more sue them than for getting a 30 link when you pay
for 50
 
L249[07:09:36] <Arcanitor-> AmandaC: or
they say "up to 50mbps"
 
L250[07:09:38] 

<MGR> Which
is part of the reason USA ISPs are the worst
 
L251[07:09:54] *
Arcanitor- mumbles something about net neutrality 
L252[07:10:01] <S3> I get "up to
60" and often get like 75
 
L253[07:10:30] <AmandaC> You also live in
Maine with much less poulation density
 
L254[07:10:42] 

<MGR>
^
 
L255[07:10:56] *
Izaya gets "up to 24" and gets 24 at 4AM on a
monday 
L256[07:11:08] <Izaya> technically correct
I guess
 
L257[07:11:12] 

<MGR>
Usually I get around the full speed of my Internet plan
 
L258[07:11:17] 

<MGR> I
don't check that often though
 
L259[07:11:45] <S3> AmandaC: yeah I really
don't like cable but
 
L260[07:12:10] <S3> I used to have DSL but
they wanted to charge me hundreds of $ just to move my modem to my
new place a couple blocks down
 
L261[07:12:13] <S3> and I was like F
that
 
L262[07:12:23] <AmandaC> I've never
really bothered to check unless it was super bad, considering what
I had untill I turned 18 was literally dialup speed dsl
 
L263[07:12:43] <S3> I only had 10 down on
DSL, but it was ALWAYS 10
 
L264[07:12:48] <S3> no matter what
happened
 
L265[07:13:05] <Izaya> tfw had dialup till
2012
 
L266[07:13:37] <S3> heh I had dialup until
I was about 15..
 
L267[07:13:40] <S3> or 16
 
L268[07:13:45] <S3> let's see
 
L269[07:13:58] <AmandaC> Izaya: dialup
would probably been worse. There was severe line noise on the phone
lines to my house.
 
L270[07:14:12] <S3> 2002 - 2003ish
 
L271[07:14:50] <S3> AmandaC I lived very
far from civilization when I had dialup, so I was lucky to even get
2K sometimes
 
L272[07:15:23] <S3> not to mention, it was
cheaper to dial all the way to california with long distance phone
line prices than to go through AT&T locally
 
L274[07:15:36] <S3> because at&t was
expensive
 
L275[07:16:19] <S3> so I have a friend who
lives just down the road from where I lived as a kid
 
L276[07:16:25] <Skye> Why do people put up
with companies
 
L277[07:16:26] <S3> and they JUST got
broadband
 
L278[07:16:29] <S3> literally
 
L279[07:16:41] <S3> after all these years
they've been stuck with dialup until just recently XD
 
L280[07:16:57] <S3> they finally extended
the line
 
L281[07:17:10] <AmandaC> At 18 I gave my
dad an ultimatum. Get cable internet, or I will, because I was sick
if 480 YouTube videos and not being able to do literally anything
when a game was updating in steam
 
L283[07:17:46] <Skye> Our family got cable
after leaching off of a neighbour's WiFi
 
L284[07:18:16] <Izaya> we moved
 
L285[07:18:35] <Izaya> went from 33k to
100Mbps
 
L286[07:18:40] <S3> it is possible now
where I used to live to use cellular but
 
L287[07:18:42] <S3> or sattelite
 
L288[07:18:54] <S3> sattelites been an
option for a while but nobody wants to pay that much
 
L289[07:19:05] <S3> the cellular service
out there is very poor
 
L290[07:19:06] <Skye> Why not make your
own microwave network
 
L291[07:19:12] <S3> could
 
L292[07:19:20] <AmandaC> I've lived
in this house since my parents inhareted it when I was less than a
year old, so
 
L293[07:20:04] <Izaya> sounds
depressing
 
L294[07:20:17] <S3> heh I had to get
out
 
L295[07:20:29] <S3> soon as 2008 came I
left my parents
 
L296[07:20:34] <S3> was like nope no more
of that
 
L297[07:20:45] <S3> I have a good
relationship with my parents, but I had to be free
 
L298[07:21:01] <S3> it was like the week
of graduating high school when I left
 
L299[07:21:08] <S3> I didn't even go
to graduation
 
L300[07:22:10] <S3> they just mail you
your diploma anyways, did the same thing with my first college,
their graduatiion signup and schedule was too confusing and cost
money so I was like nope no graduation ceremony for me
 
L301[07:25:45] 

<Forecaster>
I've lived in the same house since for about 25 years
 
L302[07:25:52] 

<Forecaster>
-since
 
L303[07:26:28] <S3> I'm probably
going to be building a house soon
 
L304[07:26:43] <S3> We have a house now,
but I don't like living in town it's the stupidest crap
ever
 
L305[07:26:51] <S3> Not sure why anyone
does
 
L306[07:27:14] 

<Forecaster>
I've always lived out in a forest
 
L307[07:27:30] <S3> so much better
 
L308[07:27:39] 

<Forecaster>
it's pretty nice
 
L309[07:27:43] 

<Forecaster>
far from everything thoug
 
L310[07:27:51] <S3> I grew up in heavily
forested mountains
 
L311[07:28:09] <S3> and people in the city
think I'm crazy when I say I want to go back
 
L312[07:28:33] ⇦
Quits: lp (~lp@66.109.211.167) (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1) 
L313[07:28:36] <S3> I could go just a
little southwest in the middle of nowhere 15 20 mins from town ,
they have roadside fiber there
 
L314[07:28:41] <S3> that'd be
cool
 
L315[07:29:47] <S3> friend of mine got a
house on that road about.. 45 mins from town (that's a bit far
for my commute in winter) and he's getting like 200 up 200
down for like 100 bucks a month because no competition XD
 
L316[07:30:20] <S3> they installed the
fiber 10 or so years ago and it's just been sitting
there
 
L317[07:34:37] <S3> I should probably get
driving to class
 
L318[07:37:48] 

<Noire>
Guys
 
L319[07:37:56] 

<Noire> Im
exhausted
 
L320[07:38:06] 

<Noire> This
Segfault makes me wanna pull the trigger
 
L321[07:38:18] 

<Noire> I
have no idea whats the problem
 
L322[07:38:31] 

<Noire> Ive
enabled Forceusenative=true
 
L323[07:38:37] 

<Noire> But
crash still appear
 
L324[07:38:45] <Skye> @Noire, have you
downloaded the new jar
 
L325[07:38:50] 

<Noire>
Yes
 
L326[07:38:52] 

<Noire> Ive
tried
 
L327[07:39:02] <Skye> What OS
 
L328[07:39:07] 

<Noire> I
tried even starting with plain new config
 
L329[07:39:16] 

<Noire> My
os is Debian 8 x64
 
L330[07:39:27] 

<Noire> OVH
hosting, if it means something
 
L331[07:39:56] 

<Skye>
Latest updates of glibc installed?
 
L332[07:40:47] 

<Noire> Uhm,
sorry what? :
 
L333[07:40:48] 

<Noire>
?
 
L334[07:40:52] 

<Noire> How
can i check it?
 
L335[07:41:38] <S3> what the hell
 
L336[07:42:03] <S3> Somebody made a hard
credit score inquiry on me without permission the other day
 
L337[07:42:05] <Skye> have you apt-get
update and apt-get upgrade
 
L338[07:44:19] 

<Noire> No,
i havent
 
L339[07:45:52] <Skye> You should probably
do that for security reasons
 
L340[07:47:47] 

<Noire>
apt-get upgrade too?
 
L341[07:49:55] <Mimiru> upgrade just
updates all the packages that have updates, it doesn't
actually "upgrade" the OS
 
L342[07:50:13] 

<Noire>
okay, what should i use
 
L343[07:50:13] <Mimiru> SO yes,
both.
 
L344[07:50:19] 

<Noire>
dist-upgrade
 
L345[07:50:22] 

<Noire> or
upgrade?
 
L346[07:50:25] <Mimiru> first apt-get
update
 
L347[07:50:28] <Mimiru> then apt-get
upgrade
 
L348[07:50:40] <Mimiru> dist-upgrade will
upgrade your OS... which is likely not what you want to do
 
L349[07:52:05] 

<Noire>
Okay
 
L350[07:52:07] 

<Noire>
Thanks
 
L351[07:52:27] 

<Noire>
Should i try repro the crash after updates?
 
L352[07:52:34] 

<Noire> is
system reboot needed?
 
L353[07:53:21] <Mimiru> if there are
kernel updates an update will be needed.. otherwise you
shouldn't need one
 
L354[07:53:33] <Mimiru> (will be needed
for the new kernel to take effect)
 
L355[07:55:17] 

<Forecaster>
%s/update will/restart will/
 
L356[07:55:17] <MichiBot> <Mimiru>
if there are kernel updates an restart will be needed.. otherwise
you shouldn't need one
 
L357[07:55:38] <Mimiru> right.. meh
 
L358[07:55:40] <Mimiru> tired still
 
L359[07:55:40] <Mimiru> lol
 
L360[07:56:10] 

<Forecaster>
%give MichiBot an restart
 
L361[07:56:10] *
MichiBot accepts the restart and adds it to her
inventory 
L362[07:56:24] <AmandaC> Right, a hot
shower might have been a bad idea. Not I'm freezing even
more
 
L363[07:56:30] <AmandaC> Now*
 
L364[07:56:33] 

<Forecaster>
%shell the shower
 
L365[07:56:33] *
MichiBot loads an adventurer into a shell and fires it. It strikes
the shower. They take 13 damage. Cruor and Temia take 7 and 10
splash damage respectively. 
L366[07:56:56] *
AmandaC curls up, shivering in Inari's lap again 
L367[07:59:16] 

<Noire>
Looks like theres no glibc update
 
L368[07:59:47] 

<Noire>
@Skye
 
L369[08:00:10] 

<Skye> Just
update everything
 
L370[08:00:24] <Mimiru> update it all,
then update everything again!
 
L371[08:00:24] <Mimiru> :p
 
L373[08:03:28] 

<Noire> Did
not helped...
 
L374[08:03:32] 

<Noire>
help*
 
L375[08:03:41] 

<Noire>
Segfault agai
 
L376[08:03:54] 

<Noire>
Segfault again [Edited]
 
L377[08:04:12] <Skye> Hmm
 
L378[08:04:12] <Skye> Did you reboot
 
L379[08:04:22] 

<Noire> Nah,
will try in a sec
 
L380[08:08:48] 

<Noire>
Skye, can u tell more about glibc?
 
L381[08:09:01] 

<Noire> How
it is related to OC?
 
L382[08:11:25] <Mimiru> the natives are c
code
 
L383[08:11:27] 

<Noire>
Still segfaults...
 
L384[08:13:44] <Skye> Okay very odd
 
L385[08:13:57] <Skye> So you did an
upgrade
 
L386[08:14:00] <Skye> And rebooted
 
L387[08:14:06] <Skye> And
redownloaded
 
L388[08:14:10] 

<Noire>
Yes
 
L389[08:14:20] 

<Lizzy> if
possible, have you tried it on a different system like
ubuntu?
 
L390[08:14:40] 

<Noire> I
cant
 
L391[08:14:52] 

<Noire> My
server`s hosting is on Debian 8
 
L392[08:15:16] 

<Noire> so
it is very difficult
 
L393[08:15:23] 

<Noire>
would be*
 
L394[08:15:34] 

<Noire> But,
evertying worked well
 
L395[08:15:40] 

<Noire>
Before updating OC to 1.7
 
L396[08:15:44] 

<Lizzy>
hmm
 
L397[08:15:59] 

<Noire> I
have glibc 2.19, by the way
 
L398[08:16:14] 

<Noire> ldd
(Debian GLIBC 2.19-18+deb8u10) 2.19
 
L399[08:16:25] <Skye> Java version?
 
L400[08:17:25] 

<Noire>
1.8.0.101
 
L401[08:17:43] 

<Noire>
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_101-b13)
 
L402[08:19:11] 

<Noire> By
the way, there were a lot of crashes with Extracells2 OC
module
 
L403[08:19:18] 

<Noire> In
previous versions
 
L404[08:19:26] 

<Noire> Just
remembered
 
L405[08:20:05] <Skye> Odd, have you tried
to remove it? I don't think it'll make a difference but
it's probably a good idea to check.
 
L406[08:21:03] 

<Noire>
Remove extracells?
 
L407[08:21:33] 

<Noire> Ive
disabled the Opencomputers compatibility option, so crash do not
occur now
 
L408[08:22:02] 

<Noire> But
that was a legit crash, with a crashlog. Not a Segfault
 
L409[08:22:48] <Mimiru> have you posted
the segfault yet?
 
L410[08:24:23] 

<Noire> Ive
written about it to IRC chat couple of days ago
 
L412[08:24:52] <Mimiru> A couple of days
ago... k well that helps lots
 
L413[08:24:59] *
Mimiru busts out the crystal ball and oclogs 
L414[08:25:18] 

<Forecaster>
LMGTFY "a couple of days ago"
 
L415[08:25:47] 

<Noire>
Lel
 
L417[08:27:09] <Mimiru> On that note
 
L418[08:27:16] *
Mimiru is off to work 
L419[08:27:17] 

<Noire> Ive
written about it from this nickname
 
L420[08:27:18] 

<Noire>
Noire
 
L421[08:27:24] <Mimiru> I *JUST* posted
the logs..
 
L422[08:27:41] 

<Noire> U
can search "Segmentation fault"
 
L423[08:28:06] <Mimiru> nope again
 
L425[08:28:38] 

<Forecaster>
hm
 
L426[08:28:47] 

<Forecaster>
that could probably use a user filter
 
L427[08:29:18] <Mimiru> just make it smart
enough to deal with Corded :P
 
L428[08:29:19] <Mimiru> anyway bai
 
L429[08:29:29] 

<Noire> L570
[12:40:04] <Noire> Experimentally, ive found that my server
is killed with error "Segmentatin fault"
 
L430[08:29:44] 

<Noire>
2017-12-03.log
 
L431[08:30:48] 

<Lizzy>
that's not really posting the segfault, just saying you had on
e
 
L432[08:31:12] 

<Noire> How
can i "post it"?
 
L433[08:31:30] 

<Noire> I
literally have no logs ?
 
L434[08:32:56] 

<Noire>
Looking through gdb debugger did not help, actually
 
L435[08:33:17] 

<Noire> No
JVM crash, no minecraft crashlog
 
L436[08:33:29] 

<Noire>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
L437[08:33:37] 

<Forecaster>
%give MichiBot a crashlog
 
L438[08:33:37] *
MichiBot accepts the crashlog and adds it to her
inventory 
L439[08:34:42] 

<Noire>
Wiping hard drive data and state folder helps, but not for long
time
 
L441[08:44:19] <Michiyo> segfaults are
usually saved in the root of the MC instance
 
L442[08:45:40] <Michiyo> Also, yay
back
 
L443[08:45:44] <Michiyo> wooo @ work
 
L444[08:45:49] <Michiyo> party tiem...
no
 
L445[08:45:50] <Michiyo> that's a
lie
 
L446[08:46:24] 

<Forecaster>
shelling party!
 
L447[08:46:26] 

<Forecaster>
%shell
 
L448[08:46:26] *
MichiBot loads a sukusuku hakutaku into a shell and fires it. It
strikes the ground near zsh, Sandra and elucent. They each take 9,
1 and 10 splash damage respectively. 
L449[08:46:45] 

<Noire> yes
i have a coredump
 
L450[08:46:51] 

<Noire> in
my MC folder
 
L451[08:47:03] 

<Noire> What
should i do with it?
 
L452[08:48:50] <Michiyo> well, you either
put it on pastebin, you can drag the file to discord and it'll
upload it
 
L453[08:48:57] <Michiyo> and nicely link
it to IRC as well.
 
L454[08:49:18] <Michiyo> because I'm
a decent bot modifier :P
 
L455[08:49:25] <payonel> anyone ever read
the book or scene the movie, a man called ove ?
 
L456[08:49:33] 

<Noire> it
is 6 GB big...
 
L457[08:49:55] <Michiyo> 6gb... for the
log, in the root of MC?
 
L458[08:50:01] 

<Noire> not
a log
 
L459[08:50:03] 

<Noire> Core
dump
 
L460[08:50:12] 

<Noire> I
have NO logs after server crash
 
L461[08:50:17] 

<Noire> NO
Java log
 
L462[08:50:26] 

<Noire> NO
Minecraft crashlog
 
L463[08:50:27] *
Michiyo sighs 
L464[08:50:35] 

<Noire>
Nothing, but a coredump
 
L465[08:50:41] <Michiyo> well you
*wouldn't* get a MC log.. since the JVM aborts.
 
L466[08:50:46] <Michiyo> so no shock
there...
 
L467[08:50:58] <Michiyo> but I've
NEVER seen the JVM dump without tossing out a log too.. :/
 
L468[08:51:21] <Michiyo>
hs_err_*.log
 
L469[08:51:23] 

<Noire>
Because it is killed by SIGSEV
 
L470[08:51:31] 

<Noire>
<Michiyo> hserr*.log
 
L471[08:51:32] 

<Noire> yes,
no hs_err
 
L472[08:51:32] <Michiyo> nothing in that
format?
 
L473[08:51:37] 

<Noire> Not
a single file
 
L475[08:52:01] <Michiyo> Well then,
you're right screwed.
 
L476[08:52:15] 

<Noire>
SIGSEGV*, sorry
 
L477[08:53:20] <Skye> @Noire, is this a
hardened kernel?
 
L478[08:53:27] <Skye> uname -a
 
L479[08:53:32] 

<Noire>
?
 
L480[08:54:03] 

<Noire>
Linux serverip 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #7 SMP Wed Jan 27 18:05:09
CET 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 
L481[08:54:39] <Skye>
3.14.32-grs-ipv6-64
 
L482[08:54:41] <Skye> Alright
 
L483[08:54:43] <Michiyo> ewww, default OVH
kernel.
 
L484[08:55:19] ⇦
Quits: MichiBot (~MichiBot@hekate.pc-logix.com) (Remote host closed
the connection) 
L485[08:55:22] <Skye> Michiyo, would it
have any funky parts that would make it kill processes it
doesn't like?
 
L486[08:55:34] 

<Lizzy>
shouldn't do
 
L487[08:55:35]
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(~MichiBot@hekate.pc-logix.com) 
L488[08:55:36]
zsh sets mode: +v on MichiBot 
L489[08:55:52] <Michiyo> No, but I drop
that as soon as I get a chance, so I have next to no experience
with it
 
L490[08:56:47] 

<Forecaster>
%shell MichiBot
 
L491[08:56:47] *
MichiBot kicks Forecaster into space. 
L492[08:57:08] 

<Noire>
Funny that crash happens when autosaving occurs
 
L493[08:57:15] 

<Noire> Or i
use some command
 
L494[08:57:18] <Skye> So during
serialisation?
 
L495[08:57:19] <Skye> Hmmm
 
L496[08:57:20] 

<Noire> Or
when*
 
L497[08:57:32] 

<Noire> ./gc
for example
 
L498[08:57:39] 

<Noire> Any
bukkit or other command
 
L499[08:57:58] 

<Lizzy> so
wait, how are you running this server?
 
L500[08:58:02] 

<Noire> just
a side note, that might not be a serious point
 
L501[08:58:10] <Michiyo> bukkit...
sponge?
 
L502[08:58:14] 

<Noire>
Thermos
 
L503[08:58:23] *
Michiyo falls over. 
L504[08:58:24] 

<Noire> It
is a Cauldron fork
 
L505[08:58:26] <Michiyo> welp
 
L506[08:58:29] <Michiyo> I'm well
aware of it
 
L507[08:58:37] <Michiyo> I'mma just
stand over here and watch it burn.
 
L508[08:58:43] 

<Noire>
?
 
L509[08:59:02] 

<Noire> I
repeat, it worked pretty well before updating OC to the latest
1.7.10 ver
 
L510[08:59:11] <Michiyo> I'm
surprised it worked at all :D
 
L511[08:59:15] 

<Lizzy>
perhaps try it with standard vanilla forge and see if you get the
same issue?
 
L512[08:59:21] <Skye> Hmm
 
L513[08:59:36] <Skye> -grs in the
uname
 
L514[08:59:40] <Skye> Does that mean
anything
 
L515[08:59:46] 

<Noire> It
is hard to reproduce, because this crash appears only when i load a
chunk of one of my players
 
L516[08:59:46] <Michiyo> ^ First step with
using ANYthing like
cauldron/thermos/bukkit/spongeforge/litteralshitonastick
 
L517[08:59:53] <Skye> It could be
GrSecurity?
 
L518[09:00:08] 

<Noire> He
has a lot of computers
 
L519[09:00:21] <Michiyo> Skye, yes
IIRC
 
L520[09:00:23] 

<Noire> But,
when i walk on spawn for example, server works fine
 
L521[09:00:32] 

<Lizzy>
@Noire please test it with vanilla forge and see if the issue still
occurs
 
L522[09:00:36] <Skye> Michiyo, so OVH use
GrSecurity
 
L523[09:00:41] <Skye> So it might be the
kernel
 
L524[09:00:45] 

<Noire> Its
hard to reproduce(
 
L525[09:00:59] 

<Noire> But
i will try
 
L526[09:01:11] <Skye> Which is randomly
killing JNLua because the funky stuff it does
 
L527[09:01:27] 

<Noire> Ah,
i have something about JNLUA
 
L528[09:01:36] <Skye> And the patches
aren't public so it's impossible for someone to debug it
even if they wanted to!
 
L529[09:01:42] 

<Noire>
[19:56:27 WARN]: Could not persist computer @ (1721.5, 66.5,
-1622.5). li.cil.repack.com.naef.jnlua.LuaRuntimeException: JNI
error: NewObject() failed creating Lua error
 
L530[09:01:56] <Skye> Yeahhh...
 
L531[09:01:56] <Michiyo> not unusual after
a crash
 
L532[09:01:58] 

<Noire> That
thing appeared once before crash
 
L533[09:02:01] <Skye> Yeah
 
L534[09:02:34] <Skye> I think the kernel
kills the lua code when it serialises, and that brings the whole
thing down
 
L535[09:02:58] 

<Noire>
uname -grs?
 
L536[09:03:02] 

<Noire> this
command?
 
L538[09:04:09] 

<Noire> Ah,
im blind
 
L539[09:04:10] 

<Noire> See
now
 
L540[09:04:17] <Skye> In the kernel string
there is blah...-grs-...blah
 
L541[09:04:21] <Skye> That's
GrSecurity
 
L542[09:04:25] 

<Noire>
Yeah
 
L543[09:04:38]
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L544[09:05:02] 

<Noire> But
i dont know, what has been changed that it crashes with
MC1.7.10-1.7.0.1085-universal.
 
L545[09:05:44] 

<Noire>
maybe i should try downgrading?
 
L546[09:06:06] <Skye> Things to try:
 
L547[09:06:12] <Michiyo> wow 1085... the
build on curse is almost 100 builds old lol
 
L548[09:06:14] <Skye> * normal
kernel
 
L549[09:06:30] <Michiyo> well... 50
 
L550[09:06:35] <Skye> * downgrade OC which
could break other things
 
L551[09:06:38] <Michiyo> Icanmath
 
L552[09:06:43] <Skye> * test with pure
forge
 
L553[09:06:53] 

<Noire> I
had OpenComputers-MC1.7.10-1.6.1.11-universal.jar as a prev
version
 
L554[09:07:08] 

<Noire> Ok,
trying with pure forge
 
L555[09:07:39] <Skye> I think GrSecurity
doesn't like lua
 
L556[09:07:48] 

<Forecaster>
%inv add Icanmath
 
L557[09:07:48] *
MichiBot summons 'Icanmath' and adds to her inventory. I
could get some good swings in with this. 
L558[09:08:27] <Michiyo> I don't have
a box with the grs kernel to even test with.
 
L559[09:10:49] <Michiyo> @Forecaster,
screw it I don't know what else to add to this.. I'm
going to commit the table create statement, and you can go from
there
 
L560[09:11:26] <Michiyo> @Forecaster,
commited
 
L561[09:12:36] 

<Forecaster>
woo
 
L562[09:12:45] 

<Forecaster>
will get on that when I have some time
 
L563[09:12:51] 

<Forecaster>
currently swamped with work
 
L564[09:13:14]
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L565[09:15:06] 

<Noire>
Doesn`t helped...
 
L567[09:18:19] 

<Noire>
Thats kinda scary
 
L568[09:19:14] <Michiyo> it's not
that bad.
 
L569[09:19:50] <Michiyo> I do however
know, that in my instance, on my pack, on my Ubuntu 16.whatever the
latest OC ci build runs fine, and hasn't crashed in
months...
 
L570[09:20:00] 

<Noire>
So
 
L571[09:20:01] <Michiyo> I also don't
have a -grs kernel :P
 
L572[09:20:15] 

<Noire> Ive
enabled forceLuaJ=true
 
L573[09:20:20] 

<Noire>
Crash is not appering now
 
L574[09:20:25] 

<Noire> But
it is interesting
 
L575[09:20:32] 

<Noire> That
this appeared in log
 
L576[09:20:46] 

<Noire>
component of type 'radar' disappeared
(300ac345-f821-4612-af6d-13039a9357b7)! This usually means that it
didn't save its node.
 
L577[09:20:48] 

<Noire> Just
this
 
L578[09:20:53] <Michiyo> LuaJ doesn't
load native c code, so not shocking.
 
L579[09:21:05] 

<Noire> Ye,
i guess
 
L580[09:21:22] 

<Noire> But
maybe it is because of this radar?
 
L581[09:21:26] 

<Noire> From
computronics
 
L582[09:21:27] <Michiyo> just means that
it couldn't load a node from NBT, likely that in one of the
crashes some NBT got nuked.
 
L583[09:21:42] <Michiyo> unlikely
 
L584[09:21:54] <Michiyo> if I crashed
everytime I saw that... lol
 
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L586[09:22:02]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos 
L587[09:22:08] <Michiyo> (Not from
'tronics just in general)
 
L588[09:22:15] <payonel> Vexatos: o/
 
L589[09:22:26] 

<Noire> Nah,
this thing appears only after server start while forceLUaj
enabled
 
L590[09:23:08] 

<Noire> When
it is set as false, this radar message isnt visible
 
L591[09:23:30] 

<Noire> I
dunno
 
L592[09:23:34] <Michiyo> it's likely
a one off thing.. like I said, it's probably from one of the
crashes nuking the NBT in a radar TE.
 
L593[09:23:35] 

<Noire> If
it is about kernel
 
L594[09:23:41] 

<Noire> Then
i`m cracked up...
 
L595[09:23:59] <Michiyo> when that happens
the node fails to reload, and a new one has to be made, old one
disappears, new one poofs into existence.
 
L596[09:24:16] <Michiyo> and you get a
nice log message.
 
L597[09:24:27] 

<Noire> Ok,
i guess.
 
L598[09:24:42] 

<Noire>
Maybe Vexatos will give me a wise advice?
 
L599[09:24:43] 

<Noire>
?
 
L600[09:26:30] <Michiyo> Seems like
no.
 
L601[09:26:31] <Michiyo> ll
 
L602[09:26:32] <Michiyo> lol*
 
L603[09:26:45] 

<Noire>
:C
 
L604[09:27:02] 

<Lizzy> hmm,
did my landscape server ever manage to complete the upgrade on my
other servers...
 
L605[09:27:16] 

<Noire> I
see downgrading is the only logical option for me...
 
L606[09:27:30] 

<Lizzy> that
would be a no... ffs
 
L607[09:27:41] 

<Noire>
?
 
L608[09:27:50] 

<Lizzy>
talking to myself, don't mind me
 
L609[09:27:55] 

<Noire>
Okay
 
L610[09:28:35] 

<Noire>
Vexatos:
 
L611[09:29:32] <Vexatos> .-.
 
L612[09:29:44] 

<Noire>
Hello!
 
L613[09:29:57] 

<Noire>
Maybe you can say your helping word?
 
L614[09:30:10] <Vexatos> what would a
helping word be
 
L615[09:30:17] 

<Lizzy>
spahgetti
 
L616[09:30:19] 

<Noire> I
dunno ?
 
L617[09:30:33] 

<Noire> But
this crash terrifies me 5 days in a row
 
L618[09:30:50] 

<Noire>
*laying hands to a trigger
 
L619[09:32:46] <AmandaC> are the OC lua
libs even depending on the system
 
L620[09:32:49] <AmandaC> 's
glibc?
 
L621[09:33:03] 

<Noire> how
to check it?
 
L622[09:33:09] <Vexatos> I don't even
know what's going on >_>
 
L623[09:33:43] 

<Noire>
Vexatos: After updating to 1.7 build of OC 1.7.10 my server is
killed by a Segmentation fault.
 
L624[09:33:44] <Michiyo> Vexatos, segfault
with oc's natives, with no hs_err generated
 
L625[09:33:58] ⇦
Quits: xarses (~xarses@c-67-180-86-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping
timeout: 383 seconds) 
L626[09:34:22] <AmandaC> ... I can't
even find where minecraft stores the .so files these days
 
L627[09:34:25] <Michiyo> theres a 6gb
coredump though.
 
L628[09:34:42] <Vexatos> Have you tried
re-downloading OC and deleting the extracted native files in your
MC dir?
 
L629[09:35:03] 

<Noire> I
tried redownloading, but i did not delete the native files
 
L630[09:35:14] <Vexatos> well then,
redownloading wouldn't do anything >_>
 
L631[09:35:40] 

<Noire> But
looks like after enabling ForceLuaJ my corrupted chunk doesnt crash
server...
 
L632[09:36:03] 

<Noire> But
it will crash after some time
 
L633[09:36:23] <AmandaC> with a sigsegv
still?
 
L634[09:36:29] 

<Noire>
Yes
 
L635[09:36:31] 

<Noire>
SIGSEGV
 
L636[09:36:41] <AmandaC> Then it's
definately nothing to do with the native libs
 
L637[09:36:52] <AmandaC> because
they're not used when forceluaj is active
 
L638[09:36:58] 

<Noire>
Ehm
 
L639[09:37:11] 

<Noire>
Crash doesnt appear when ForceLuaJ is enabled
 
L640[09:37:27] <AmandaC> You just said it
doesn't when it's enabled, but the it crashes after
awhile anyway
 
L641[09:37:35] 

<Noire> oh,
sorry
 
L642[09:37:51] 

<Noire>
forgot to mention that it crashes after disabling this option
 
L643[09:37:56] 

<Noire> and
after some time
 
L644[09:38:05] <AmandaC> That's a
pretty big detail
 
L645[09:38:32] 

<Noire>
(Also, i am sorry for my bad explanations, english isn`t my native
lang)
 
L646[09:38:44] <AmandaC> is your java
version up to date?
 
L647[09:38:45] 

<Lizzy>
you're doing good so far
 
L648[09:38:55] 

<Noire> Yes,
java is up to date.
 
L649[09:39:03] 

<Noire> I
did apt-get update and upgrade
 
L650[09:39:05] <AmandaC> openjdk or oracle
java?
 
L651[09:39:07] 

<Noire> With
a reboot
 
L652[09:39:10] 

<Noire>
Oracle.
 
L653[09:39:10] 

<Noire>
\
 
L654[09:39:25] <AmandaC> I don't
think oracle's .debs install updates automatically
 
L655[09:39:30] <Michiyo> ^
 
L656[09:39:38] <AmandaC> because they want
you to agree to their EULA every time
 
L657[09:39:43] <AmandaC> and apt
doesn't support that
 
L658[09:39:49] 

<Noire> Hm,
okay
 
L659[09:39:56] 

<Noire> I
will update it manually
 
L660[09:40:35] <Vexatos> Try deleting the
extracted native libs first :I
 
L661[09:40:40] <Vexatos> so OC
re-generates them
 
L662[09:40:52] 

<Noire> Yea,
doin it now
 
L663[09:41:05] 

<Noire>
OpenComputersMod-1.7.0.1085-lua53-native.64 - am i correct?
 
L664[09:41:10] 

<Lizzy>
yes
 
L665[09:41:32] 

<Lizzy> also
make sure you disable the LuaJ again so it actually uses the native
stuff
 
L666[09:42:08] 

<Noire>
Okay
 
L667[09:42:13] <AmandaC> Vexatos: does
1.12 not need to extract them somehow? I don't see any .so
files whatsoever under my 1.12 instance.
 
L668[09:45:56] <Vexatos> huh
 
L669[09:46:15] <Vexatos> there was no
change to the Lua internals during the update >_>
 
L670[09:46:55] <AmandaC> looks like it
might have been in 1.10 or earlier, actually. the only instance n
ny multimc with .so files is the Thistle one
 
L671[09:47:13] <AmandaC> in my*
 
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L674[09:49:22] <MichiBot> 
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L675[09:49:44] 

<Noire>
Updated Java to latest
 
L676[09:49:59] <Vexatos> I hope it's
not java 9 :P
 
L677[09:50:14] 

<Noire>
1.8.0_151
 
L678[09:50:33] <Michiyo> AmandaC, I have
Natives in my 1.12 MMC instance
 
L679[09:50:37] <Michiyo> just checked my
home PC.
 
L680[09:51:30] 

<Noire>
Wow
 
L681[09:52:08] 

<Noire>
Looks like the player, who owns the crashchunk with computers, just
told me that he programmed Computronix Radar incorrectly
 
L682[09:52:48] 

<Noire>
quoting: "Ive written a program without delays"
 
L683[09:53:00] 

<Noire>
(translated form russian)
 
L684[09:53:09] 

<Noire>
(translated from russian) [Edited]
 
L685[09:53:27] <Skye> Well any programs
shouldn't cause segfaults
 
L686[09:54:17] <Michiyo> no delays just
means the program should be killed with a too long without yielding
error..
 
L687[09:54:18] 

<Noire> We
will try to reproduce it in no time
 
L689[09:55:59] <Michiyo> so glad I added
the newline pastebin ._.
 
L690[09:55:59] <Skye> Uhh
 
L691[09:56:11] <Skye> So it's
definitely native lua crashing
 
L692[09:56:33] <payonel> Michiyo: :)
haha
 
L693[09:56:37] <Skye> @Noire try pure
forge, or try a new kernel
 
L694[09:56:54] <Michiyo> They said
they've done straight forge a bit ago
 
L695[09:56:56] 

<Noire> Pure
forge didnt help
 
L697[09:57:26] <Michiyo> That's just
going to get another grs kernel
 
L699[09:57:33] 

<Noire>
Yes
 
L700[09:57:36] <Michiyo> I linked to a
good guide a while back
 
L701[09:57:39] 

<Noire> It`s
about new grs
 
L703[09:57:57] <Skye> >°<
 
L704[09:58:04] <AmandaC> AshIndigo: I
don't seem to have the right permissions, but I think the
issue with your hacky maven thing is that the jar doesn't have
-dev before the .jar
 
L705[09:58:29] <Michiyo> AmandaC, I have
mine up for forestry if you want to try it.
 
L706[09:58:47] <AmandaC> Michiyo:
sure
 
L709[10:00:00] <Corded> * <Skye>
flees
 
L710[10:00:12] 

<Noire> im
actually not a weeb
 
L711[10:00:13] 

<Noire>
?
 
L712[10:00:23] 

<Noire> Have
u heard about L.A Noire?
 
L713[10:00:37] <Michiyo> >weeb
._.
 
L714[10:00:55] <AmandaC> I think AshIndigo
might have just created a bare-bones one just to make the thing
happy, otherwise I'm not sure why she called it
"Hacky"
 
L715[10:01:19] 

<MGR> I
haven't heard of LA Noire, but I've heard of the Noire
genre of books I think
 
L716[10:01:34] 

<Noire> Yes,
the genre
 
L717[10:01:43] 

<Noire>
Thats the origin of my name
 
L718[10:01:45] 

<Forecaster>
I've heard of the game L.A. Noire
 
L719[10:02:22] 

<Skye>
I've heard of the genre, but I prefer the cute stuff. :P
 
L720[10:02:24] <AmandaC> She walked into
my office. Had legs for light seconds and a big smile on her face.
I knew instantly what she was here for, and went to get the bottle
from my bottom left drawer...
 
L721[10:02:58] <AmandaC> ^ Noire,
right?
 
L722[10:03:01] <Michiyo> <3 lol
 
L723[10:03:01] 

<Skye>
Wut
 
L724[10:03:05] 

<Noire>
Yea
 
L725[10:03:06] 

<Noire>
Lold
 
L726[10:03:11] 

<Skye> I dun
get it
 
L728[10:03:30] <AmandaC> Skye that's
what a noire book would be written like. :P
 
L729[10:03:35] 

<MGR>
Mhm
 
L730[10:03:35] 

<Noire>
?
 
L731[10:03:40] <AmandaC> except for
'light seconds'
 
L732[10:03:57] 

<Noire> You
forgot about cigarettes
 
L733[10:04:10] <AmandaC> Michiyo: danke,
it's built!
 
L734[10:04:12] <Michiyo> wow.. good job
there discord.
 
L735[10:04:17] <Michiyo> it worked?!
 
L736[10:04:18] <Michiyo> woot!
 
L737[10:04:46] <AmandaC> Michiyo: yep. I
had to delete the hacky cache manupulation I attempted first, but
it's built successfully now
 
L738[10:05:00] <Michiyo> oh right..
you're using "`"'s for
"'"'s likely a localization thing... and
discord thought you wanted a codeblock.
 
L739[10:05:11] <AmandaC> It's very
angry about a set cookie header, though
 
L740[10:05:23] <AmandaC> might want to
move it to maven. instead of /maven
 
L741[10:05:28] <Michiyo> awesome...
I'll work on getting the rest of the deps on maven, and move
them off of my domain
 
L742[10:05:37] <AmandaC> (assuming / is a
wordpress site )
 
L743[10:05:50] <Michiyo> Yeah it'll
be on maven.pc-logix or maven.caitlynmainer instead of a subdir I
just wanted to see if it'd work
 
L744[10:05:56] <AmandaC> sure. :)
 
L745[10:06:03] <Michiyo> and yes / is a wp
site
 
L746[10:06:04] <Michiyo> I was lazy
 
L747[10:06:13] <AmandaC> Just wanted to
verify. :)
 
L748[10:09:15] <AmandaC> payonel: good
news. I still have no sub-modules. :D
 
L749[10:09:44] *
AmandaC wonders if 2017.3 is angry about something 
L750[10:10:24] *
AmandaC does a clean build and tries again 
L751[10:10:29] <payonel> you mean gradle
not caching
 
L752[10:12:18] <AmandaC> payonel: bish, I
mean what I say and I say what I mean!!!1111oneoneone
 
L753[10:12:34] <payonel>
"oneoneone" :)
 
L754[10:12:37] <AmandaC> :P
 
L755[10:12:37] <payonel> nerd
 
L756[10:12:45] <AmandaC> It's a
sarcasm marker. :P
 
L757[10:13:00] <payonel> yeah i get that
:)
 
L758[10:13:38] <AmandaC> realisation: I
have the hacked together thing, I don't need to get idea happy
to test.
 
L759[10:18:19] <AmandaC> Good news!
 
L760[10:18:30] <AmandaC> The screen turns
off properly now, but isn't getting turnt back on for
boot!
 
L761[10:19:44] 

<tim4242>
Does anyone know what OC uses for it's native interface?
 
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L763[10:20:36] <Michiyo> yeah, eris
 
L764[10:20:45] <Michiyo> a c native that
is loaded via jni
 
L765[10:21:01] <tim4242> So no JNA?
 
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L767[10:21:59] <Michiyo> I don't
think it uses JNA, I could be wrong
 
L768[10:22:05] <Michiyo> Vexatos, or
gamax92 would know more.
 
L769[10:22:09] <Michiyo> maybe payonel
:P
 
L770[10:22:29] <tim4242> I'll just
try to un-rust my scala and look myself
 
L771[10:23:03] <payonel> AmandaC: you
tested your change? and it doesn't turn back on?
 
L772[10:23:32] <AmandaC> payonel: yep.I
assume it's because the nodes stay connected, and I'm
calling turnOn for the onConnect
 
L773[10:25:01] <payonel> onConnect sounds
like the network method, when nodes join a network
 
L774[10:25:08] <payonel> like placing a
disk drive next to a machine
 
L775[10:29:56] <tim4242> The answer to my
question is standard JNI through a library called JNLua. Just for
later reference.
 
L776[10:30:42] <Michiyo> JNLua is just
what OC uses for lua whenb natives are disabled/unavailable
 
L777[10:30:57] <Michiyo> JNI is what loads
the natives if enabled/available
 
L778[10:31:46] <Michiyo> wait, no I got
that wrong, LUAJ is what's loaded when natives aren't
available
 
L779[10:31:48] <Michiyo> sorry
 
L780[10:32:10] <AmandaC> payonel: oh, hey,
the sub-modules appeared! It requires a build to be tried first, it
seems
 
L781[10:32:48] <Michiyo> This is what
happens when you try to be technical while dealing with effing
morons that "Don't need no adapter, they need a cable
with USB on on end and HDMI on the other!"
 
L782[10:32:50] <Michiyo> ._.
 
L783[10:33:01] <Michiyo> on one*
 
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L785[10:33:45] <Michiyo> then you try to
explain that hooking an HDMI cable to their laptop to the USB port
on their TV ISN'T going to work... and they tell you
you're dumb cause their neighbors best friend's
son's best friends mom did it!
 
L786[10:34:15] <Michiyo> then you shoot
yourself.
 
L787[10:34:26] <tim4242> yea f*** it
I'll just write a quick wrapper for JNI, no need to use
anything more complicated when you have like five functions and a
subroutine.
 
L788[10:34:50] <Skye> Michiyo,
actually
 
L789[10:34:58] <Skye> there is a standard
for HDMI over USB
 
L790[10:35:00] <payonel> AmandaC: when you
say sub-module i think of the thaumcraft git sub-module in api. are
you talking about the build dependencies that gradle tries to
cache?
 
L791[10:35:34] <Skye> however you need
special (expensive) TVs
 
L792[10:35:38] <Skye> and modern
(expensive) phones
 
L793[10:36:12] <gamax92> Acktchually
 
L794[10:36:18] <gamax92> ~ Skye
 
L795[10:36:32] <Skye> wut
 
L796[10:37:17] <tim4242> But actuall,
I'll probably wait until circuity is either released or I can
steal it because this API really wasn't made for low level
architectures.
 
L797[10:38:51] <Michiyo> Skye, I doubt
there $300 Vizio and there $100 straight talk generic ass samsung
support it.
 
L798[10:38:51] <Inari> tim4242: That seem
unlikely to ever happen xD
 
L799[10:39:05] <Michiyo> there?
their*
 
L800[10:39:07] <Michiyo> ffs
 
L801[10:39:20] <tim4242> I know, but one
can hope
 
L802[10:39:56] <tim4242> Or I'll do
what I actually started with and bend a CPU until it fits into
OC's worldview
 
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L805[10:41:39] <AmandaC> payonel: the
OpenComputers_{api,main,test}
 
L806[10:41:45] <Skye> Michiyo, tell them
that, I guess. :P
 
L807[10:41:58] <payonel> AmandaC: OH
okay
 
L808[10:42:37] <Michiyo> Skye, nah man,
I'm just fuckin dumb..
 
L809[10:43:13] <Michiyo> like when they
want to buy this MHL adapter here, and I tell them, you know.. that
wont work with your phone.. they buy it any way then I see them the
next day
 
L810[10:43:16] <Michiyo> bringing it
back.
 
L811[10:49:18] <tim4242> Yea, I'm
going to change VP16 a bit, I think I should be able to get
something going that works fairly well in OC
 
L813[10:51:27] <Skye> Michiyo, oh god,
that is painful to deal with
 
L814[10:51:29] <AmandaC> ( or any of th
eother OC code fairies )
 
L815[10:53:27] <payonel> AmandaC: ok cool,
thanks
 
L816[11:13:00] <tim4242> So, how about
this: A secondary addressing mode that uses a 128-bit register to
R/W to a component. This seperates RAM from other peripherals, but
I honestly can't think of a better way of working with the OC
API on a low level.
 
L817[11:13:57] <tim4242> Otherwise you
could just use a 144-bit address bus, but I feel like this would
waste space
 
L818[11:14:43] <Skye> tim4242, MMU?
 
L819[11:15:22] 

<Noire>
trying to reproduce segfault
 
L820[11:15:32] 

<Noire>
looks like everything is fine for now
 
L821[11:15:36] <tim4242> How would you set
up the interface for the MMU?
 
L822[11:17:01] <tim4242> I originally
wanted to avoid mapping over RAM because it would, well, block
RAM
 
L823[11:17:49] <tim4242> And when you only
have 2^16 bytes to play with you want them all, not half of it
overshadowed by the display buffer
 
L824[11:17:54] <Skye> tim4242, you could
have a 64 bit virutal address space and a 144-bit physical address
space?
 
L825[11:20:03] <tim4242> I'll build
the prototype, lets see how it works
 
L826[11:22:54] <tim4242> I just wanted to
stick to a 16-bit address bus because I already have a working
implementation
 
L828[11:44:57] <Skye> tim4242, go for a
32-bit address bus at least
 
L829[11:45:08] <Skye> OC ram has max 4MB I
think
 
L830[11:45:19] <Skye> and with 4GB of
address space, you have a lot of ram to map peripherals
 
L831[11:45:32] <S3> Skye: I'm having
problems :(
 
L832[11:45:39] <S3> I need 512B of
SRAM
 
L833[11:45:46] <Skye> uhhh
 
L834[11:45:48] <S3> it's very hard to
find in 12ns access times
 
L835[11:45:51] <Skye> oooh
 
L836[11:45:53] <S3> most of them are max
20Mhz
 
L837[11:45:53] <Skye> I see
 
L838[11:46:03] <S3> I need it for a VGA
buffer
 
L839[11:46:13] <S3> and the VGA pixel
clock for my resolution is like 25Mhz
 
L840[11:46:19] <Skye> hmmm
 
L841[11:46:32] <Skye> interleaving?
 
L842[11:46:36] <S3> I could try 20Mhz
memory and just figure itl cool off during horrizontal blank and
vblank time but
 
L843[11:46:47] <S3> well it's just
RGB
 
L844[11:46:51] <S3> but with extras
 
L845[11:46:55] <Skye> dual ported
ram?
 
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L847[11:47:11] <S3> no no no, I found out
I do not need dual ported ram at all
 
L849[11:47:20] <AmandaC> S3: Have you
considered using a blockchain to do it?
 
L850[11:47:28] *
AmandaC hides 
L851[11:47:30] <AshIndigo> Must have
missed a needed partition, sorry amanda
 
L852[11:47:39] <AshIndigo>
*permission
 
L853[11:47:41] <S3> a blockchain.. where
have I heard that term before..
 
L854[11:47:52] <AmandaC> AshIndigo:
Michiyo's repo worked, so I'm good for now. :)
 
L855[11:48:10] <Skye> S3, with dual ported
RAM you could theoretically double the rate
 
L857[11:48:17] <Skye> as you could read
two bytes at once?
 
L858[11:48:31] <AshIndigo> Nice
 
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L860[11:48:44] <Inari> payonel: Haha
:D
 
L861[11:48:48] <S3> I don't think
that helps with VGA timing
 
L863[11:49:05] <Skye> though you could
interleave it
 
L864[11:49:05] <S3> so here's the
current specs
 
L865[11:49:08] <Skye> like
 
L866[11:49:13] <Skye> split it up
 
L867[11:49:28] <S3> 12 bit color
 
L868[11:49:35] <Skye> so that each read
for VGA accesses alternating areas
 
L869[11:49:38] <S3> 12 bit color is
actually a lot of color it's almost just like 16 bit
color
 
L870[11:49:52] <S3> anyways
 
L871[11:49:54] <Skye> will it be
linear
 
L872[11:50:09] <S3> decided to go with 12
bit RGB so 4 bits per color, but lemme give you a sample
 
L873[11:50:23] <Skye> or skewed for what
humans find most noticable?
 
L875[11:50:48] <S3> here's a sample
of 12 bit RGB 4 bits per color
 
L876[11:51:11] <S3> it's
"reasonabke"
 
L877[11:51:15] <S3> reasonable*
 
L878[11:52:03] <S3> I looked at using 12
bit color at once on screen, but thre's a problem with that: I
would need almost 1MB of video memory just to have 640x480 for ONE
screen
 
L879[11:52:08] <S3> at 60Hz
 
L880[11:52:24] <S3> that's a shit
mega ton of video memory
 
L881[11:52:58] <S3> so to fix this, I use
a pallette, I could lowe res to 320x240, or somethingf. I kind of
like 640x480.. butu I can limit the ammount of colors I can have on
the screen at once.
 
L882[11:53:09] <S3> the genesis sued 64
colors on the palette..
 
L883[11:53:33] <S3> so 6 bit palette
entries I would imagine
 
L884[11:54:00] <S3> I could go down to 16
colors on the screen at once but that looks awful
 
L886[11:54:27] <S3> example ^
 
L887[11:56:57] <S3> SRAM is cheap, having
1MB of video memory isn't the problem. Copying data to the
VRAM is a problem
 
L888[11:58:15] <Skye> S3, blitter!
 
L890[11:58:57] <Skye> S3, use a blitter to
make the CPU do less work copying data
 
L891[11:59:27] <S3> Not sure what
you're really getting at, but I do have a DMA controller built
into the MMU circuit
 
L892[11:59:47] <S3> this allows me to
place memory inside of cached locations and it will DMA straight to
the 16 MB memory space
 
L893[11:59:54] <S3> I can see 4KB at a
time from the cpu
 
L894[12:19:37] 

<Noire> my
gid
 
L895[12:19:40] 

<Noire>
god*
 
L896[12:19:44] 

<Noire>
SIGSEGV againm
 
L897[12:20:02] 

<Noire>
*shoots in the head*
 
L898[12:20:15] 

<Noire> With
updated natives and Jvm...
 
L899[12:23:01] 

<Noire>
wtf...
 
L900[12:23:38] <Skye> @Noire, I blame your
kernel
 
L901[12:24:03] <SAL9000> grsec?
 
L903[12:24:17] 

<Noire>
Maybe it is because hosting uses a lot of memory?
 
L904[12:24:24] 

<Noire> I
have 32g, 28 used
 
L905[12:24:48] 

<Noire>
Skye: but how?
 
L906[12:24:50] <SAL9000> jvm + sec
annotations (grsec/hardened) = 
WORLD OF PAIN 
L907[12:25:00] <SAL9000> always.
 
L908[12:25:03] 

<Noire> What
has been changed since 1.6.1.11?
 
L909[12:25:19] 

<Noire>
Because this version gave me no headache
 
L910[12:26:03] 

<Noire> muck
this
 
L911[12:26:06] 

<Noire> im
downgrading
 
L912[12:26:14] <Skye> that will break
things >_<
 
L913[12:26:22] 

<Noire> i
have no other way
 
L914[12:26:27] <Skye> tbh things are
already broken
 
L915[12:26:30] <Skye> actually
 
L916[12:26:37] 

<Noire>
players are awaiting for the server
 
L917[12:26:40] 

<Noire> to
be working
 
L918[12:26:45] 

<Noire> 5th
day in a row
 
L919[12:26:52] 

<Noire> And
i cant do anything with this
 
L920[12:27:09] <Skye> alright
 
L921[12:27:12] <Skye> downgrade
 
L922[12:27:24] 

<Noire> What
will be broken in that case?
 
L923[12:27:26] <AmandaC> the native
libraries havn't been changed since 2016
 
L924[12:27:26] <Skye> well
 
L925[12:27:54] <AmandaC> January 2016 no
less
 
L926[12:28:02] 

<Noire> But
im still interested
 
L927[12:28:16] 

<Noire>
Which feature breaks it?
 
L928[12:28:24] <Skye> @Noire, any motion
sensors
 
L929[12:28:27] <Skye> "Added: Motion
Sensor is now an upgrade"
 
L930[12:28:33] <Skye> wait
 
L931[12:28:34] <Skye> I mean
 
L932[12:28:39] <Skye> that is what will
break when DOWNgrading
 
L933[12:28:46] <Skye> that shouldn't
cause a native error
 
L934[12:29:14] 

<Noire>
...
 
L935[12:29:27] <AmandaC> I'd be veru
curiou on the stack trace you get out of gdb for that
 
L936[12:29:35] 

<Noire>
Okay
 
L937[12:29:39] 

<Noire> I
can provide it
 
L938[12:29:45] <Skye> "Fixed: case
where computers could run minecraft host machine cpu too
high"
 
L939[12:29:52] <Skye> that could be
it
 
L940[12:29:58] 

<Noire> Who
commited it?
 
L941[12:30:40] <AmandaC> Also, I think
when you update the oracle jvm you have to tell it to use the new
version
 
L942[12:30:49] <AmandaC> It' been
awhile since I used it though
 
L943[12:30:57] 

<Noire>
yes
 
L944[12:31:02] 

<Noire> it
usees new ver
 
L945[12:31:08] 

<Noire> even
server logs says it
 
L946[12:31:11] <AmandaC> kk
 
L948[12:31:34] <Skye> maybe?
 
L949[12:31:36] <Skye> I dunno
 
L950[12:31:43] <Skye> something was
changed in serialisations
 
L951[12:32:34] <Mimiru> have you tried any
of the CI builds?
 
L952[12:32:53] <AmandaC> Is this a
physical machine or one in "The Cloud" spurrious SIGSEGV
can also be an indicator of bad RAM
 
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L956[12:34:12] 

<Noire> I
have a VDS
 
L957[12:34:17] 

<Noire> So
its not virtual machine
 
L958[12:35:37] <AmandaC> VDS?
 
L959[12:36:00] <Skye> VDS sounds like
"virtual dedicated server"
 
L960[12:36:09] <CompanionCube> so a VPS
then?
 
L961[12:36:18] 

<Noire>
Dedicated server
 
L962[12:36:25] 

<Noire>
MC-32 Game
 
L963[12:36:26] 

<Noire>
OVH
 
L964[12:36:30] <CompanionCube>
'virtual' and 'dedicated' are oxymorons
:p
 
L965[12:36:45] 

<Noire> It
says dedicated in my control panel
 
L966[12:36:56] <Skye> also... have you
tested the new jar? :p
 
L967[12:37:04] 

<Noire>
Uploading now
 
L969[12:37:13] <Skye> alright
 
L970[12:37:15] <Skye> it's a real
server
 
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L972[12:47:50] 

<Noire>
Hm
 
L973[12:47:58] 

<Noire> What
changed in he last CI build?
 
L974[12:48:02] 

<Noire>
the*
 
L975[12:54:36] 

<Noire>
Skye: still crash with new ver
 
L976[12:55:24] <Skye> @Noire check the
kernel dmesg
 
L977[12:57:00] 

<Noire>
yea\
 
L978[12:57:03] 

<Noire> it
has something
 
L979[12:58:18] 

<Noire> :
Segmentation fault occurred at (nil) in
/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin/java[java:17910]
uid/euid:1000/1000 gid/egid:1000/1000, parent
/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin/java[java:17783]
uid/euid:1000/1000 gid/egid:1000/1000
 
L980[13:00:42] 

<Noire>
Skye:
 
L981[13:00:55] <Skye> hmm
 
L982[13:01:01] <Skye> so nothing about the
kernel saying it didn't like it
 
L983[13:01:08] <Skye> could you backup
your world
 
L984[13:01:13] <Skye> and try with the old
version of OC
 
L985[13:02:04] 

<Noire>
1.6.1.11?
 
L987[13:03:29] <Skye> see if it still
crashes
 
L988[13:04:17] 

<Noire>
kk
 
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L990[13:10:34] 

<Noire>
everything works great
 
L991[13:10:39] 

<Noire> with
an old version
 
L992[13:10:53] 

<Noire>
Note: computers work well after reboot too
 
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L994[13:11:14] <Skye> @Noire, so you have
literally tested it right now
 
L995[13:11:15] 

<Noire> They
seemed kinda laggy after serverstart with 1.7 OC
 
L996[13:11:19] <Skye> very very odd
 
L997[13:11:34] 

<Noire> It
is
 
L998[13:11:47] 

<Noire> So,
what we can do for now?
 
L999[13:12:00] 

<Noire>
@Sangar ?
 
L1000[13:13:17] <Skye> payonel, is there
anything in the natives that could have been affected inthe 1.7.0
OC update?
 
L1001[13:13:39] 

<Noire>
I swear to god, 1.6.1.11 build works fine
 
L1002[13:13:47] 

<Noire>
and the crashzone doesn`t crash now
 
L1003[13:15:24] <payonel> gamax92:
didn't you have to rebuild the natives?
 
L1004[13:15:42] <Skye> ooohhh
 
L1005[13:15:50] <gamax92> hmm?
 
L1006[13:16:17] <Skye> don't tell me
that the compiler of the natives breaks it
 
L1007[13:16:18] 

<Noire>
???!
 
L1008[13:16:25] 

<Noire>
lol
 
L1009[13:16:47] <gamax92> I did stuff
locally but the ones in OC are the ones that have been there for a
long time
 
L1010[13:17:14] <Skye> urgh
 
L1011[13:17:15] <AmandaC> the ones in
src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/lib/ havn't been
updated since january 2016
 
L1012[13:17:27] <Skye> the ONLY thing
that I can see changed
 
L1013[13:17:36] <Skye> is the fact that
there was a limit to stop computers from hanging the server?
 
L1014[13:17:43] <Skye> could that even
affect it?
 
L1015[13:17:49] <Skye> I can't find
the actual change
 
L1016[13:19:47] 

<Noire>
so, what? ?
 
L1017[13:26:13] 

<Noire>
[20:28:13 WARN]: Could not persist computer @ (1705.5, 42.5,
-1617.5).
 
L1018[13:26:13] 

<Noire>
li.cil.repack.com.naef.jnlua.LuaRuntimeException: object too
complex
 
L1019[13:26:14] 

<Noire>
hm
 
L1020[13:26:19] 

<Noire>
spamming this in console
 
L1021[13:26:45] 

<Noire>
but server is alive
 
L1022[13:29:06] <payonel> is anyone else
seeing this?
 
L1023[13:29:14] 

<Noire>
?
 
L1024[13:29:20] <payonel> your
crash
 
L1025[13:29:22] <payonel> because i
dont
 
L1026[13:29:28] <payonel> i test oc
builds all the time and haven't had a problem
 
L1027[13:29:39] 

<Noire>
Ehm
 
L1028[13:29:45] 

<Noire>
I have no crashlog
 
L1029[13:29:50] <payonel> and i'm
talking about new+fresh+clean server folders
 
L1030[13:29:50] 

<Noire>
No hs_err
 
L1031[13:30:06] <payonel> fine, but i
don't get any such LuaRuntimeException
 
L1032[13:30:10] <payonel> idont have
failure to persist
 
L1033[13:30:11] 

<Noire>
Just a proccess killed by a SIGSEGV
 
L1034[13:30:19] <payonel> i have no
process killed by a SIGSEGV
 
L1035[13:30:33] <payonel> so like i said,
does anyone else see this?
 
L1036[13:30:34] 

<Noire>
But i have it ? on version 1.7
 
L1037[13:30:47] 

<Noire>
On version 1.6.1 everything is fine
 
L1038[13:31:05] <AmandaC> I'm still
betting on RAM / hardware issue
 
L1039[13:32:03] 

<Noire>
Dunno
 
L1040[13:32:08] 

<Noire>
The only fact is
 
L1041[13:32:19] 

<Noire>
That something in new version breaks it
 
L1042[13:33:29] <AmandaC> Okay, so do a
git bisect and show us the exact commit causing it, because
otherwise it's likely a Oracle JVM issue, or some hardware
issue.
 
L1043[13:33:58] <AmandaC> I'm going
with faulty / damaged RAM
 
L1044[13:36:31] <AmandaC> The natives
havn't updated since january of last year, so it's not
something OC did that caused the sigsegv, it's a bug in the
JVM at best
 
L1045[13:36:44] <Inari> Well that
LuaRuntimeException could be a hint?
 
L1046[13:39:02] 

<Noire>
Yes, and this exception points on computers that are located in the
crashzone
 
L1047[13:40:06] 

<Noire>
AmandaC: Okay, if it is Oracle JVM issue, why its okay with 1.6.1
then?
 
L1048[13:40:17] *
AmandaC sighs 
L1049[13:40:25] <Skye> @Noire can you
reproduce this on a clean world
 
L1050[13:45:24] 

<Noire>
I guess not, the crash-computers run a player-owned program
 
L1051[13:45:57] <Skye> argh
 
L1052[13:46:02] <Skye> we need the
program
 
L1053[13:46:06] <Skye> and also the save
state
 
L1054[13:46:22] 

<Noire>
okay
 
L1055[13:46:29] <Skye> maybe the world if
you trust payonel. :P
 
L1056[13:46:55] 

<Noire>
i tried to wipe ALL OC data
 
L1057[13:47:00] 

<Noire>
after 1.7 installation
 
L1058[13:47:04] <Skye> then maybe
it';s the program?!
 
L1059[13:47:08] <Skye> or the
tileentity
 
L1060[13:47:19] 

<Noire>
Do you need program from problematic computer?
 
L1061[13:47:30] 

<Noire>
[20:49:15 WARN]: Could not persist computer @ (1705.5, 42.5,
-1617.5).
 
L1062[13:47:31] 

<Noire>
li.cil.repack.com.naef.jnlua.LuaRuntimeException: object too
complex
 
L1063[13:47:31] 

<Noire>
?
 
L1064[13:48:19] <AmandaC> %choose anime
or youtube
 
L1065[13:48:19] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
youtube
 
L1066[13:48:24] <AmandaC> hrm. nah
 
L1067[13:51:51] <Michiyo> anime ON
youtube!
 
L1068[13:52:04] <Skye> @Noire, yes
 
L1069[13:52:09] 

<Noire>
[20:43:51 ERROR]: Unexpected error loading a state of computer at
(1692.5, 7.5, -1642.5). State: Paused. Unless you're
upgrading/downgrading across a major version, please report this!
Thank you.
 
L1070[13:52:09] 

<Noire>
java.lang.Exception:
li.cil.repack.com.naef.jnlua.LuaRuntimeException: Invalid
stack.
 
L1071[13:52:26] <Skye> also can you just
break and replace that computer? maybae that'd "fix
it"
 
L1072[13:52:49] 

<Noire>
they fixed themselves
 
L1073[13:53:00] 

<Noire>
rebooting this one [20:49:15 WARN]: Could not persist computer @
(1705.5, 42.5, -1617.5).
 
L1074[13:53:01] 

<Noire>
li.cil.repack.com.naef.jnlua.LuaRuntimeException: object too
complex helped
 
L1075[13:53:22] 

<Noire>
im using 1.6.1.11 for now
 
L1077[13:54:32] <Vexatos> I blame
gamax92
 
L1078[13:54:35] 

<Noire>
program itself
 
L1079[13:54:49] 

<Noire>
From this Could not persist computer @ (1705.5, 42.5,
-1617.5)
 
L1080[13:54:55] 

<Noire>
Vexatos: Why?
 
L1081[13:57:30] <Skye> this
shouldn't mess with OC...
 
L1082[13:57:35] <Skye> aaaa
 
L1083[14:04:02] 

<Noire>
?
 
L1084[14:14:09] <Skye> I don't get
why it's crashing
 
L1085[14:14:28] 

<Noire>
Me neither
 
L1086[14:14:42] <Skye> even though you
found a workaround (downgrade)
 
L1087[14:15:02] *
CompanionCube would just break out the git bisect 
L1088[14:15:04] <Skye> is it okay if you
still test stuff when possible?
 
L1089[14:15:15] <Inari> What if you turn
that PC off, shutdown, upgrade, and load then
 
L1090[14:15:19] <Skye> CompanionCube,
well then compile a few hundred jars for them. :P
 
L1091[14:15:44] <Inari> Or was it already
off
 
L1092[14:16:31] <Inari> and/or had its
state cleared so that it didn't have any "persisted
objects"
 
L1093[14:17:00] <Inari> Though I'm
just guessing, I have no clue :P
 
L1094[14:19:00] 

<Noire>
Vexatos said something about gamax92
 
L1095[14:19:06] 

<Noire>
Maybe he knows better?
 
L1096[14:19:27] 

<Noire>
I dunno, i already put the bullet into the barrel
 
L1097[14:19:37] 

<Noire>
I am ready to pull the trigger
 
L1098[14:19:38] 

<Noire>
?
 
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L1100[14:45:55] 

<Forecaster> %shell
 
L1101[14:45:55] *
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strikes the ground near daniel, Thog and SpiritedDusty. They each
take 6, 7 and 2 splash damage respectively. 
L1102[14:46:29] 

<Muanh>
Hey guys, not really a modding expert, what is the best way to
downgrade my MC version?
 
L1103[14:47:14] 

<Forecaster> uh, select a lower
version?
 
L1104[14:48:50] 

<Kodos>
What launcher are you using
 
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L1106[14:50:00] 

<Muanh>
i mean can I change some settings in build.gradle?
 
L1107[14:50:18] 

<Muanh>
i tried changing the version
 
L1108[14:50:20] 

<Kodos>
Oh you're talking about making a mod
 
L1109[14:50:24] 

<Muanh>
yeah
 
L1110[14:50:34] 

<Kodos>
Best advice would be a new workspace
 
L1111[14:50:38] 

<Muanh>
i need to downgrade because there is a bug currently in OC AE
integration
 
L1112[14:50:41] 

<Muanh>
oh
 
L1113[14:50:45] 

<Muanh>
ok
 
L1114[14:51:01] 

<Kodos>
And just use the forge dec thinger for the version you want
 
L1115[14:51:06] 

<Kodos>
Dev*
 
L1116[14:52:52] 

<Muanh>
that's kinda anoying was hoping i could just change some
settings in gradle
 
L1117[14:54:20] 

<Kodos>
I mean I dunno that you can't but a new workspace seems like
an easier time
 
L1118[14:55:02] 

<Muanh>
already have my mod in there so would have to copy everything over
and then copy everything back ones the bug is fixed
 
L1119[15:03:07] 

<Kodos>
Well depending on what you call you may have to refactor
anyway
 
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L1121[15:16:55] <Michiyo> So.. change the
version in your build.gradle, then setupDecompWorkspace and then
generate your IDE stuff with eclipse/...whatever you do to generate
Idea's stuff
 
L1122[15:17:49] <Michiyo> And depending
on how big of a jump you're doing.. you might have to swap out
the gradle directory/gradlew with the one for the matching Forge
dev kit
 
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<Muanh>
maybe best to first check with standalone if it is working with the
other versions before I do all that ?
 
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L1141[16:58:40] <Izaya> they make
wonderful footrests too
 
L1142[16:58:42] <Izaya> side tables
 
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L1144[17:09:40] <freacknate09>
Hello
 
L1145[17:14:27] 

<Forecaster> %hello
 
L1146[17:14:27] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome
to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your
questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
 
L1147[17:15:43] <freacknate09> How is
everyone?
 
L1148[17:21:00] 

<Forecaster> Sleepy
 
L1149[17:21:17] <freacknate09> Fun
 
L1150[17:22:04] <freacknate09> I am gonna
hop off the IRC; I am going into an SSP world, where I dont have
the IRC client yet
 
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L1153[17:57:53] <AmandaC> %tell Inari
also: "wait nagisua is really a boy!?" Even though he
doesn't really present himself as a girl in any way than his
pigtails
 
L1154[17:57:53] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
 
L1155[18:00:38] <Izaya> wonder if they
know that you can use IRC out of game
 
L1156[18:01:49] <Mimiru> !! I've
just left my game open for years
 
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L1158[18:16:11] <AmandaC> Izaya:
don't be silly
 
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<Forecaster> %shell
 
L1190[23:59:05] *
MichiBot loads a crashlog into a shell and fires it. It strikes the
ground near daniel, alFamaRt and Lucifer. They each take 10, 9 and
6 splash damage respectively.