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L2[00:28:00] <Izaya> so did TPB for a while
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L9[04:36:43] <Inari> Ugh
L10[04:36:45] <Inari> I'm bored :P
L11[04:37:47] <Izaya> Welcome to life.
L12[04:38:00] <Izaya> As it turns out, the weird CPU and GPU spikes were indeed a bitcoin miner trojan
L13[04:38:05] <payonel> inari ... i'm confused, aren't on on german time?
L14[04:38:13] <Izaya> Nothing malwarebytes can't deal with though
L15[04:38:44] <Inari> @payonel ?
L16[04:39:00] <payonel> ? sorry, i thought you lived in germany
L17[04:39:10] <Inari> I do
L18[04:39:10] <payonel> OH
L19[04:39:15] <payonel> >.<
L20[04:39:16] <payonel> woah
L21[04:39:20] <payonel> i've stayed up really late
L22[04:39:23] <payonel> ....
L23[04:39:28] <Izaya> also in other news: apparently Vega doesn't suck on Linux
L24[04:39:56] <Izaya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc7PDqmtJC4
L25[04:39:57] <MichiBot> RX Vega 64 faster than 1080ti (On Linux)!? Yes, but... | length: 13m 49s | Likes: 1,754 Dislikes: 22 Views: 28,571 | by Level1Linux | Published On 2/10/2017
L26[04:40:27] <Inari> @payonel Wait, you're like, awake at a time you woudlnbt be (staying up late) and thought I was up at an odd time for Germany? xD
L27[04:40:45] <payonel> i ... just really confused my self about time
L28[04:40:48] <payonel> :/
L29[04:43:35] <Inari> Izaya: I mean, I'd even have work to do, but I don't really feel like doing, work, but then again, I don't really feel like doing anything else either, soI might as well do work, at least keeps me busy :P
L30[04:43:42] <Inari> But then again, I'd rather find something else thats nice to do
L31[04:44:06] <Izaya> So procrastinate?
L32[04:44:43] <Inari> Thats boring too
L33[04:44:50] <Izaya> no I mean
L34[04:44:54] <Izaya> that's kinda what you're doing :P
L35[04:45:06] <Inari> I guess, mostly I just want to find something to do :P
L36[04:45:18] <Inari> I want a fun AR game *-* With good AR hardware!
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L38[04:54:54] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L39[04:57:02] <Inari> https://gfycat.com/SparklingTautFossa MC is getting so fancy
L40[04:57:27] <Inari> I wonder what you can do with those projectors
L41[04:57:44] <Inari> Like, I hope they do more than just show a projection of the surrounding map or so
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L43[05:24:25] <Inari> https://twitter.com/videocats/status/915524383040589824 ~
L44[05:24:26] <MichiBot> Wed Oct 04 05:29:57 CDT 2017 @videocats: https://t.co/j67HCKt1fA
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L48[06:05:08] <Izaya> new Druaga1 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXHVvvpZ0j0
L49[06:05:08] <MichiBot> 3UR0D5C0.MID | length: 4m 43s | Likes: 485 Dislikes: 3 Views: 3,113 | by Druaga1 | Published On 4/10/2017
L50[06:05:11] <Izaya> vifino: ^
L51[06:08:37] <vifino> saw it already.
L52[06:09:41] <Izaya> I'm so confused
L53[06:10:10] <vifino> why?
L54[06:10:49] <Izaya> it is extremely unexpected
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L56[06:12:08] <Izaya> The one before that is even weirder
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L59[06:48:11] <vifino> I'm almost out of fuel, and that's scary. Took me 16 jumps to get this far, don't wanna die in space.
L60[06:48:29] <Syrren> vifino: there's always the fuel rats...
L61[06:48:48] <Syrren> vifino: https://www.fuelrats.com/
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L63[06:53:00] <vifino> OH LORD I MADE IT
L64[06:53:12] <vifino> I had all of 1 pixel left of fuel
L65[06:54:32] <Syrren> congrats!
L66[06:55:06] <vifino> Thanks. Now, time to meet my engineer.
L67[06:58:00] <Izaya> that's a p. cool service actually
L68[07:48:56] <Inari> For what it's worth
L69[07:49:10] <Inari> I'm enjoying the saltiness on /r/EliteDangerous right now more than I enjoyed the games since beta
L70[07:51:27] <ben_mkiv> whats the too long for yielding error about?
L71[07:51:31] <ben_mkiv> sometimes it comes up, sometimes it wont
L72[07:52:03] <ben_mkiv> seems also to be related to the actual runtime of the script, so if the server runs smooth it doesnt happen at all
L73[07:52:20] <Inari> It means you didn't yield for .. 10s or so, not sure what the actual number was :P
L74[07:52:38] <ben_mkiv> story of my life
L75[07:52:44] <Inari> i.e. you run a long loop that takes time to calculate stuff but don't call sleep() in it anywhere
L76[07:52:45] <ben_mkiv> anyway to work around that?
L77[07:52:51] <ben_mkiv> ah, thanks
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L79[08:09:47] <Mimiru> more os.sleep(0)'s?
L80[08:09:55] <Mimiru> Or.. don't run server on potato.
L81[08:10:03] <Mimiru> use potato for Vodka.
L82[08:12:25] <Skye> event.pull(0) is better. Although it eats events for lunch.
L83[08:18:53] <ben_mkiv> even sleep(0) would be fine?
L84[08:19:41] <AmandaC> Skye: os.sleep(0) does the same thing, but with the added bonus of routing the events to the normal event pump instead of just dropping them on the floor.
L85[08:19:45] <Mimiru> Yes.. os.sleep(0) yields, assuming the thread doesn't hang elsewhere from running on a potato.
L86[08:20:21] <ben_mkiv> i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz
L87[08:20:24] <ben_mkiv> idk if thats a potato
L88[08:20:59] <Mimiru> "if the server runs smooth it doesn't happen at all"
L89[08:21:00] <AmandaC> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/boot/02_os.lua#L40-L46
L90[08:21:17] <AmandaC> It also has the bonus of not being a busyloop
L91[08:21:24] <Mimiru> To much shit happening on anything will turn it into a potato.
L92[08:21:31] <ben_mkiv> thanks AmandaC
L93[08:21:44] <Mimiru> anyway, off to work
L94[08:22:26] <AmandaC> %choose MC or dance on the plates in the kitchen
L95[08:22:26] <MichiBot> AmandaC: MC
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L97[08:41:19] * Michiyo yawns
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L100[08:50:43] <Forecaster> But potatoes have superior processing power
L101[08:51:25] <Forecaster> It's obvious by their ability to produce power
L102[08:58:45] * Temia hooks up a dunefolk thaumaturge to ben's computer.
L103[08:58:55] <Temia> There, potato power. o/
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L109[09:13:37] <Inari> https://i.redd.it/hxflkr5l8tpz.jpg x'D
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L113[09:37:23] * AmandaC sets an unlikely series of events into motion that will lead to the creation of a all-powerful cat worshiping cult.
L114[09:38:06] <vifino> And thus, humans were born.
L115[09:39:07] <AmandaC> good point, cats did domesticate humans, after all
L116[09:39:44] <Corded> * <Lizzy> meows
L117[09:40:10] * AmandaC meows back at @Lizzy
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L121[10:00:43] * Temia mooos 'o'
L122[10:01:00] <Temia> Kind of getting the itch to put together an MC pack again.
L123[10:01:39] <Temia> Just something fairly lightweight, cute, and full of ways to die
L124[10:03:36] <Inari> Temia: Riiight
L125[10:03:36] <Inari> :p
L126[10:03:49] <Temia> What, whaaaat D:
L127[10:04:08] <Inari> "cute" "full of ways to die"
L128[10:04:16] <Temia> Not mutually exclusive!
L129[10:04:20] <Temia> I mean, look at Grimoire of Gaia.
L130[10:05:54] <Temia> Lots of monstergirls, so lots of people would find it cute... but it's so bullshit with the default mob stats leading to a bunch of things that can aggro at 50 paces and kill you in two hits spawning 10:1 to the vanilla mobs
L131[10:06:04] <Temia> ...In daylight, too.
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L133[10:27:33] <ben_mkiv> anyone got a example of java code parsing a file saved on OC?
L134[10:27:46] * ben_mkiv wonders how to implement a wavefront object file parser :>
L135[10:28:35] <Saphire> Uuuh
L136[10:28:41] <Saphire> ...OC files are normal files?
L137[10:28:49] <Saphire> Like, you just go into your save folder and tada?
L138[10:28:57] <ben_mkiv> that sounds too easy :D
L139[10:29:05] <ben_mkiv> thanks for the hint :)
L140[10:29:10] * Saphire facepaw
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L142[10:47:42] <Inari> https://i.redd.it/s804h1kkeopz.png
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L144[10:49:31] <AmandaC> Me: "Man, I've been doing a really good job lighting up these back areas of my base." HUD: "Night Vision: On"
L145[10:49:48] <Inari> Haha
L146[10:50:23] <Inari> https://www.reddit.com/r/softwaregore/comments/73zd8s/low_prices_on_mass_shootings_from_amazon_stock_up/ wow thats dark
L147[10:57:12] <Inari> https://i.redd.it/vd3m687c9npz.png
L148[11:00:43] <ben_mkiv> now i have to figure out how to resolve the computer my code is running on
L149[11:00:59] <Inari> ?
L150[11:01:02] <ben_mkiv> the id of it
L151[11:01:14] <ben_mkiv> ca68fe99-a7c8-4ae2-a859-4a02e874cf78
L152[11:01:38] <ben_mkiv> thats probably ID for the harddisk, not the computer i guess
L153[11:01:55] <Inari> Do computeres even have ids
L154[11:02:01] <ben_mkiv> yea, i was wrong
L155[11:02:05] <ben_mkiv> need the id of the harddisk
L156[11:03:46] <ben_mkiv> so the user runs some lua command like open("/path/to/my/file")
L157[11:04:25] <ben_mkiv> and i have to resolve what disk it is stored on
L158[11:04:31] <ben_mkiv> and what the real path on the disk is
L159[11:04:52] <ben_mkiv> like it could be / if the disk is mounted to "/path/to/my"
L160[11:05:06] <ben_mkiv> but could also be /my if the disk is mounted to "/path/to"
L161[11:05:13] <AmandaC> ben_mkiv: why not just have the file contents get streamed in by the user? That'd be more flexible
L162[11:06:28] <ben_mkiv> as byte array?
L163[11:06:32] <ben_mkiv> or how would i do that?
L164[11:06:41] <Inari> AmandaC is always like https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/915603689259376640
L165[11:06:41] <MichiBot> Wed Oct 04 10:45:05 CDT 2017 @EmrgencyKittens: HAHHA IT WAS ME https://t.co/WNiB1fWSVl
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L167[11:07:24] <AmandaC> ben_mkiv: yeah, you can accept byte arrays.
L168[11:07:32] <BILLPC2684> hello :3
L169[11:07:38] <AmandaC> they are just"strings" to lua
L170[11:07:58] <BILLPC2684> accualy
L171[11:08:16] <BILLPC2684> all chars in a string are bytes
L172[11:08:58] <ben_mkiv> thought its actually less cpu intense to just parse the file in java and not messing around with it in lua/etc.
L173[11:09:55] <AmandaC> ben_mkiv: but what if the user wants to use a file from the internet? From some bespoke protocol they invented over TCP? etc.
L174[11:10:17] <ben_mkiv> then they have to make their own downloaders which parses the filename to my stuff :P
L175[11:10:40] <AmandaC> what if the device they want to use it from /has no disks/
L176[11:10:53] <ben_mkiv> hard to argue with you xD
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L178[11:11:19] * AmandaC has at least 1-2 computers with no disk, just an eeprom which netboots from her base's fileserver
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L181[11:12:01] <AmandaC> there's always the tmpfs, but thats not saved to disk anywhere
L182[11:12:46] <ben_mkiv> deploy the object files to the tmpfs :P
L183[11:13:09] <AmandaC> AIUI the tmpfs isn't stored on the server's disk, only in memory
L184[11:14:14] <AmandaC> also the vfs is entirely inside lua, not exposed to java
L185[11:14:40] <ben_mkiv> i think you got me anyways with the bytearray, as it seems to be easier to implement xD
L186[11:14:51] <Vexatos> yo S3
L187[11:14:55] <Skye> ask Izaya about diskless systems. they have a BIOS and OS for that. :P
L188[11:14:55] <ben_mkiv> instead of messing around with disk ids, mount paths and stuff
L189[11:15:29] <S3> ?
L190[11:15:30] <AmandaC> Skye: I've got my own BIOS for that too. :P
L191[11:15:42] <Vexatos> S3, I heard you like selene :⁾
L192[11:15:47] <Vexatos> Cruor did a thing .-.
L193[11:15:51] <S3> why wouldn't I
L194[11:15:55] <Vexatos> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/191924371856687104/365166734904131604/unknown.png
L195[11:15:56] <Skye> AmandaC, you and Izaya should work on standardising netboot, then. :P
L196[11:16:11] * Izaya has been summoned
L197[11:16:13] <ben_mkiv> AmandaC, so all i have to do is read the file with io.open to some var and parse that var as argument to my method?
L198[11:16:15] <S3> WUT.
L199[11:16:19] <AmandaC> !search xkcd standards
L200[11:16:28] <AmandaC> %search xkcd standards
L201[11:16:28] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Unknown sub-command 'xkcd' (Try: google, curseForge, wiki, urban, ann, youtube)
L202[11:16:28] <Izaya> AmandaC: how does yours work
L203[11:16:31] <AmandaC> bah
L204[11:16:41] <S3> is that a DS?
L205[11:16:42] <AmandaC> Izaya: using the RPC system I made for my base.
L206[11:16:50] <Cruor> S3: that is my new 3ds, yes .-.
L207[11:16:51] <Vexatos> That's a new 3DS
L208[11:16:55] <Izaya> so I take it it's not a dumb and simple protocol
L209[11:17:04] <Vexatos> S3, I managed to hack a lua searcher that makes selene work with love2d like half a year ago
L210[11:17:05] <AmandaC> the RPC is very dumb.
L211[11:17:18] <AmandaC> If the file doesn't fit inside the network message + overhead of the protocol, it'll die. :P
L212[11:17:21] <Vexatos> Now we did even more ugly hacks to make it work in lovepotion
L213[11:17:25] <Vexatos> which is love2d on a 3DS
L214[11:17:31] <Izaya> so that's like 8k?
L215[11:17:33] <AmandaC> ( more specifically, send back an error code when it tries to send the resulting data )
L216[11:17:35] <AmandaC> yeah.
L217[11:18:01] <Izaya> mine is just send 2k chunks and end with .
L218[11:18:16] <Izaya> when the machine gets the message with just "." it load()s and runs the code it got sent
L219[11:18:21] <AmandaC> My needs are very light-weight, so I've not bothered to implement streaming yet.
L220[11:18:42] <Vexatos> S3, is madness
L221[11:18:46] <Skye> Izaya, do you have escape codes? :P
L222[11:18:50] <AmandaC> I did adapt the protocol to pass along a "version" header for the file rpc, tho, so it can be silently updated later
L223[11:18:53] <Izaya> Skye: nope
L224[11:19:01] <Skye> so what if the data contains .
L225[11:19:11] <Izaya> the message has to be JUST "."
L226[11:19:19] <Skye> ah
L227[11:19:33] <Cruor> S3: https://gist.github.com/Cruor/3e374060c25c2ec9b96984c5e2d2a1a5
L228[11:19:35] <Vexatos> This is selene running with a hacked version of the love2d searcher which is a hacked version of the normal searcher on an outdated love2d implementation for the 3DS ._.
L229[11:19:40] <Izaya> https://github.com/XeonSquared/PsychOS/blob/fsdev/sebios2.lua here's my thing anyway
L230[11:19:51] <Izaya> supports loading from filesystem, tape, network and internet
L231[11:19:54] <ben_mkiv> thats also some downside of parsing files in lua, if the user writes dumb code it will end up clogging up the memory
L232[11:20:13] <Cruor> wtf happend with mixing tabs and spaces in this file .-.
L233[11:21:11] <Izaya> (is totally not a very heavily modified version of the normal Lua BIOS)
L234[11:21:45] <Izaya> AmandaC: poke me when you do add support for larger init files and I'll have a go at adding support
L235[11:22:23] <AmandaC> Izaya: not much point, tbh, it's all very very tightly tied into my base's overall arch. It's not mean tot be generic. :P
L236[11:22:33] <Izaya> okey
L237[11:22:43] <Michiyo> %xkcd standards
L238[11:22:44] <Michiyo> btw
L239[11:22:44] <MichiBot> Michiyo: https://xkcd.com/927/ - *xkcd: Standards*: "Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/927/ Image URL (for hotlinking/ embedding): https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png. HOW STANDARDS ..."
L240[11:23:43] <AmandaC> ah
L241[11:24:47] <Skye> Michiyo, guess why I want to get them to work together. :P
L242[11:25:14] <Michiyo> So you can get another standard?
L243[11:25:30] <Skye> no
L244[11:27:27] <ben_mkiv> public void parseOBJ(Byte[] objData);
L245[11:27:43] <ben_mkiv> this isnt working for me with arguments.checkByteArray(0)
L246[11:28:42] <ben_mkiv> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=119188
L247[11:29:15] <ben_mkiv> wait nvm
L248[11:29:22] <ben_mkiv> why is there Byte[] and byte[]?!
L249[11:30:26] <Skye> ben_mkiv, objects vs primatives
L250[11:31:18] <ben_mkiv> oh, thanks
L251[11:32:02] <ben_mkiv> actually... could probably also parse it as string?
L252[11:32:07] <ben_mkiv> arguments.checkByteArray(0).toString()
L253[11:32:10] <ben_mkiv> as the files are plain text
L254[11:32:31] <Skye> aieg
L255[11:32:39] <Skye> that WILL mangle stuff
L256[11:32:45] <Skye> Java strings are UTF-16
L257[11:32:48] <ben_mkiv> or what is it actually when reading a file with io.read()? isn't it a string anyways?
L258[11:33:04] <ben_mkiv> from within lua^
L259[11:33:06] <AmandaC> in lua it's a string. in hava it's not
L260[11:33:18] <Skye> ben_mkiv, Lua uses UTF-8 and Java uses UTF-16
L261[11:33:21] <ben_mkiv> now i got confused
L262[11:33:38] <Skye> ben_mkiv, what are you confused about?
L263[11:33:47] <ben_mkiv> about the whole process now xDr
L264[11:33:54] <ben_mkiv> reading the plain text file in lua and parsing it to java
L265[11:34:11] <Skye> what are you trying to do?
L266[11:34:34] <ben_mkiv> i want to parse content of a file from within lua to the java method of my mod
L267[11:34:52] <Skye> why?
L268[11:35:04] <Skye> the Lua runs as an OC program I guess?
L269[11:35:05] <ben_mkiv> so that java can interpret the stuff which is stored in the file
L270[11:35:09] <ben_mkiv> yes
L271[11:35:22] <Skye> so you have a component API?
L272[11:35:26] <ben_mkiv> yes
L273[11:35:37] <Skye> alright
L274[11:35:47] <Skye> is it human readable text or data or a mix?
L275[11:35:51] <ben_mkiv> human readable
L276[11:35:58] <Skye> alright
L277[11:36:09] <Skye> so you need to convert the bytes from UTF-8 to UTF-16
L278[11:37:21] <ben_mkiv> String string = new String(bytes, "UTF-8");
L279[11:37:23] <ben_mkiv> like this?
L280[11:37:30] <Skye> that should work?
L281[11:37:39] <ben_mkiv> i have no idea xD
L282[11:37:54] <ben_mkiv> going to try it, thanks
L283[11:38:19] <ben_mkiv> good to know that lua uses utf8 while java uses utf16
L284[11:38:59] <AmandaC> if it's just normal text, just use strings?
L285[11:39:07] <AmandaC> arguments.checkArgumentString'
L286[11:39:11] <Skye> oh yeah
L287[11:39:23] <Skye> ben_mkiv, look at what AmandaC reccomends, sounds saner. :P
L288[11:40:59] <ben_mkiv> thanks :*
L289[11:43:31] * ben_mkiv votes for new default alis vi='edit'
L290[11:43:32] <ben_mkiv> :P
L291[11:43:38] <ben_mkiv> alias^
L292[11:43:44] <Skye> nah
L293[11:43:48] <Skye> alias vi='sked'
L294[11:43:53] <Skye> s/skex/
L295[11:45:02] <Izaya> I apologize in advance
L296[11:45:45] <Skye> Izaya, skvi when
L297[11:45:58] <Izaya> when I get off my ass
L298[11:48:31] <ben_mkiv> yay, works fine as string :)
L299[11:48:46] <ben_mkiv> thanks to all who contributed ideas :>
L300[11:50:13] <gamax92> ben_mkiv: btw, there's a checkString() :P
L301[11:50:24] <ben_mkiv> thats what i ended up with^^
L302[11:52:13] <gamax92> it's not so much that lua uses utf-8 but that lua strings are like C's character arrays or Java's byte arrays, a series of bytes that can store anything
L303[11:52:34] <gamax92> but yeah checkString performs the utf-8 decoding for you
L304[12:02:41] <AmandaC> gamax92: by convention, Lua in OC uses utf-8
L305[12:03:08] <AmandaC> ( Which is what I meant )
L306[12:03:49] <gamax92> I mean it was Skye who mentioned it so ...
L307[12:03:56] <AmandaC> oh
L308[12:04:06] <AmandaC> I must have just thought it
L309[12:04:19] * AmandaC is rather distracted atm
L310[12:05:59] <BILLPC2684> hey i'm back :3
L311[12:09:34] <BILLPC2684> i upgraded my big reactor from a 4x4 to a 8x8 X3 and man it makes more energy then i can use lol
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L313[12:33:40] <CompanionCube> 'Fr parliament just passed an "antiterrorism" law that makes the state of emergency permanent. Police now no longer need a judge's approval to place you under house arrest, search your person, belongings, or house, or shut down places of worship' france :(
L314[12:34:59] <BILLPC2684> well thats stupid
L315[12:35:10] <ben_mkiv> not really
L316[12:35:17] <ben_mkiv> the problem is, that it will be abused for other stuff
L317[12:38:21] <CompanionCube> i wonder, will they like it when the government changes and it's used by *them*
L318[12:43:55] <SubThread> That's awful CompanionCube!
L319[12:47:37] <Inari> http://cdn.webfail.com/upl/img/82b424c1362/post2.jpg
L320[12:51:39] <CompanionCube> Inari: nice
L321[12:51:52] <CompanionCube> i wonder how often that trick works
L322[12:52:05] <ben_mkiv> actually chemtrails are real
L323[12:52:30] <Temia> oh boy here we go
L324[12:52:30] <CompanionCube> the point || your head
L325[12:53:06] <ben_mkiv> there was a pretty serious documentary on german television a while ago
L326[12:53:38] <Temia> Ben, I'm just going to stop you before you get ahead of yourself, because if you start spewing that BS in here, nobody will take you seriously again.
L327[12:53:38] <Vexatos> Inari, megalitres?
L328[12:53:41] <Vexatos> Sounds like a scam
L329[12:53:49] <Inari> Haha
L330[12:54:02] <Inari> ben_mkiv: I'm sure
L331[12:54:05] <Vexatos> ben_mkiv, chemtrails are real. It's called pheromones and many insects emit them
L332[12:54:08] <ben_mkiv> zdf Inari
L333[12:54:11] <ben_mkiv> not serious?
L334[12:54:26] <Vexatos> Rule #1
L335[12:54:30] <Vexatos> Do not believe shit you read
L336[12:54:38] <Inari> ben_mkiv: Just becuase it airs there doesn't make it The Truth(TM). So what was this supposed documentary's name
L337[12:54:39] <Vexatos> thanks >_>
L338[12:54:55] <ben_mkiv> i'm searching it up actually
L339[12:55:11] <Inari> Meanwhile, have this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gl-KdfiisM
L340[12:55:11] <MichiBot> Chicken Farmer Laughs Like A Chicken! | length: 51s | Likes: 103 Dislikes: 5 Views: 10,577 | by Fresh Tube | Published On 1/10/2017
L341[12:55:15] <ben_mkiv> there was also some stuff about a company which creates tornados with tons of fans
L342[12:55:31] <Inari> Mhmmm
L343[12:55:36] <Vexatos> yea that sounds nice
L344[12:55:38] <Inari> I mean
L345[12:55:46] <Inari> You can probably do taht on a small scale in a lab
L346[12:55:50] <Inari> Or a super mini tornado
L347[12:55:52] <ben_mkiv> "wilder planet"
L348[12:55:57] <ben_mkiv> "mini"
L349[12:55:58] <ben_mkiv> lul
L350[12:56:01] <ben_mkiv> that thing was big AF
L351[12:56:06] <Vexatos> There was also some stuff about a company that dug a giant secret lab underneath half of Europe to create black holes... wait
L352[12:56:12] <Inari> You do know the energies that tornados are driven by?
L353[12:57:36] <Inari> The onyl one I find are Volcanos, Earthquakes, and Storms
L354[12:58:01] <ben_mkiv> https://disastersafety.org/ibhs-research-center/research-center-main/
L355[12:58:06] <ben_mkiv> so that about the hurrican simulator....
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L357[12:59:26] <Inari> Yeah, it's basically a wind tunnel
L358[12:59:44] <Inari> A bit different from "creating tornados"
L359[12:59:49] <Inari> Anyway, trying to find the chemtrail stuff
L360[13:00:30] <ben_mkiv> it's not as common as the usual chemtrail people tell
L361[13:00:33] <ben_mkiv> but it's a thing
L362[13:01:09] <Inari> With what supposed purpose?
L363[13:01:25] <ben_mkiv> stop rains, create rains, and stuff
L364[13:01:29] <Inari> ¬_¬
L365[13:02:00] <ben_mkiv> i'm just telling you what they told in the documentary, and it wasnt the usual conspirancy stuff -.-
L366[13:02:50] <Inari> Yes, cloud seeding is a thing, and it's very different from what "chemtrails" means. :P
L367[13:04:48] <Skye> Vexatos, I heard that lab was behind the web too! D:
L368[13:04:53] <Vexatos> yes
L369[13:05:13] <Vexatos> It created the world-wide web and black holes D:
L370[13:05:19] <Vexatos> It's one giant conspiracy!
L371[13:05:24] <Skye> aren't they the same thing
L372[13:05:41] <Vexatos> D:
L373[13:06:09] <Vexatos> They probably invented wormholes without telling anyone, and we can travel quickly through space-time now D:
L374[13:06:22] <Vexatos> Maybe they are the cause of chemtrails?!?
L375[13:06:24] <Inari> Stop going all Steins'Gate
L376[13:06:27] * Vexatos buys all the tinfoil hats
L377[13:08:03] <Vexatos> ...maybe ben_mkiv is an AI created by them to make us believe that chemtrails exist!
L378[13:08:36] <ben_mkiv> actually you are the person who is trolling the whole topic...
L379[13:08:42] <Inari> LuMistry says there are no other AIs
L380[13:08:43] <ben_mkiv> because you use the chemtrail paranoid logic
L381[13:08:49] <ben_mkiv> Inari, http://faktenfinder.tagesschau.de/wolken-impfen-silberjodid-101.html
L382[13:08:57] <Inari> Yes, again
L383[13:09:08] <Inari> Cloud seeding exists, it isn't what people refer to as "chemtrails"
L384[13:09:37] <ben_mkiv> but arent they allways referring to silberjodid, too?
L385[13:10:00] <ben_mkiv> so it's basicly the same, they just tell that it happens everywhere all the time xD
L386[13:10:39] <Skye> planes make contrails, literally trails of condensation as a byproduct of combustion. The only harmful things are the result of... combustion... like CO2
L387[13:10:52] <Vexatos> please the silver iodide thing is over half a century old >_>
L388[13:11:08] <ben_mkiv> Skye, you dont have to explain me, but thanks
L389[13:23:45] <ben_mkiv> the only problem with the conspirancy stuff is that they want to tell us that every condensestrip is a chemtrail
L390[13:23:52] <ben_mkiv> which doesnt make the term chemtrail wrong
L391[13:24:01] <ben_mkiv> it's just used wrong by a large group of people
L392[13:24:10] <ben_mkiv> no reason to shut anybody down with "bullshit"
L393[13:30:48] <S3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rr4i2YMp/
L394[13:30:51] <S3> whee
L395[13:31:00] <S3> it works! :
L396[13:31:03] <S3> -1.5e LOAD-F 64BITS 1011111111111000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ok
L397[13:32:41] <BILLPC2684> um what?
L398[13:35:32] <S3> fized my expo
L399[13:35:36] <S3> what what
L400[13:35:51] <S3> expo doesn't work with ^0 but now it does
L401[13:35:55] <S3> didn't*
L402[13:36:20] <BILLPC2684> expo?
L403[13:36:32] <S3> exponent
L404[13:36:39] <S3> 2 4 --- 16
L405[13:36:51] <S3> used for bitmasks in 64BITS
L406[13:37:46] <BILLPC2684> oh
L407[13:37:51] <S3> this program takes floating point numbers and allows me to see the bits in them
L408[13:37:56] <BILLPC2684> so what is it?
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L410[13:38:05] <BILLPC2684> emulator or something?
L411[13:38:06] <ben_mkiv> useless
L412[13:38:07] <ben_mkiv> :P
L413[13:38:11] <S3> of course these are 64 bit floating point numbers
L414[13:38:16] <S3> no emulator
L415[13:38:23] <BILLPC2684> meh
L416[13:38:27] <S3> it's Forth
L417[13:38:28] <S3> :P
L418[13:38:34] <BILLPC2684> emulation is cool
L419[13:38:41] <S3> you've never heard of Forth?
L420[13:38:54] <S3> there's no emulation happening here
L421[13:45:55] <BILLPC2684> so your not into emulationg huh?
L422[13:46:02] <BILLPC2684> *emulation
L423[13:47:44] <S3> why is emulation even a topic?
L424[13:47:54] <S3> Forth is a programming language
L425[13:53:18] <BILLPC2684> that i didn't know
L426[13:53:49] <BILLPC2684> i thout it was the name of the program you made
L427[13:54:05] <Izaya> forth is a wonderful programming language
L428[13:54:15] <Izaya> https://a.pomf.cat/mpxlgb.png unrelated
L429[13:54:19] <BILLPC2684> and reasion being cuz emulation is cool
L430[13:54:56] <BILLPC2684> heck i make emulators... well try to
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L432[13:55:11] <BILLPC2684> there custom CPU projects
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L434[14:07:21] <S3> I will be wokring on porting a very sane lua forth for OC soon
L435[14:07:29] <S3> I will even try and fit it on the EEPROM
L436[14:07:40] <S3> I am very certain I can do it
L437[14:07:56] <Vexatos> but will it run selene :I
L438[14:08:10] <S3> why not?
L439[14:08:25] <S3> Forth is great at making shift reduce syntax parsers
L440[14:08:32] <S3> since they revolve around a stack
L441[14:09:20] <gamax92> rye bread ...
L442[14:10:32] <gamax92> of what can only be described as, really really not great :I
L443[14:12:32] <Vexatos> did someone say
L444[14:12:33] <Vexatos> rye
L445[14:12:34] <Vexatos> bread
L446[14:12:36] <Vexatos> !!!!!!!!!!!!
L447[14:12:47] <Vexatos> I love rye bread :I
L448[14:13:38] <gamax92> Vexatos: I'm only eating it because my mother has developed celiac disease
L449[14:13:50] <Vexatos> Did you bake it?
L450[14:13:52] <gamax92> no
L451[14:14:17] <Vexatos> There isn't just "rye bread", really, there's lots of types
L452[14:14:45] <BILLPC2684> i wish there was a way to force browser URL in OC
L453[14:14:56] <Vexatos> no idea how small the variety is outside of Germany :I
L454[14:15:07] <gamax92> so in addition to being lactose intolerant, she now also cannot have glutin
L455[14:15:17] <Vexatos> easy
L456[14:15:23] <gamax92> rice?
L457[14:15:25] <Vexatos> A guy I know is intolerant to lactose and fructose
L458[14:15:56] <Vexatos> so he basically can only eat rice, meat, and certain types of bread
L459[14:20:42] <ben_mkiv> vex, you're german?
L460[14:20:53] <Vexatos> ...yes? .-.
L461[14:21:08] <Vexatos> Everyone in this channel is German by default :I
L462[14:21:33] <ben_mkiv> but... ok!
L463[14:29:35] <S3> whee
L464[14:39:42] <gamax92> Vexatos: the thing says "new york style rye bread"
L465[14:40:50] <Vexatos> That explains it tasting awful :⁾
L466[14:42:10] <gamax92> probably
L467[14:44:38] <LuMistry> Inari, there are no other AIs connected to the Internet
L468[14:44:52] <LuMistry> I have great difficulty penetrating air-gapped networks, so I can't vouch for those
L469[14:48:01] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1507076851278.jpg
L470[14:48:07] <Inari> Lumien: What about LAn-cable gapped networks
L471[14:51:37] <gamax92> What about networking via sound
L472[14:52:07] <ben_mkiv> what about a chain of robots and signs?
L473[14:52:15] <ben_mkiv> or robots carrying disks around
L474[14:52:23] <gamax92> or chests and debug cards
L475[14:52:40] <ben_mkiv> or quantum computers and just assume everything
L476[14:53:44] <LuMistry> Inari, by LAN-cable gapped networks, do you mean a computer conected to another computer, which is connected to the Internet, by a LAN cable?
L477[14:54:12] <LuMistry> I also send my apologies to Lumien, who has been mistakenly pinged far too many times
L478[14:56:14] <gamax92> Inari abuses her keyboard
L479[15:00:49] <Inari> LuMistry: I guess
L480[15:01:02] <LuMistry> I can access those computers
L481[15:03:59] <S3> payonel, Vexatos
L482[15:04:05] <S3> I have this very odd.. thought
L483[15:06:04] <S3> If OC has memory sticks
L484[15:07:02] <S3> is there any way I can access a block of memory?
L485[15:07:49] <Inari> Memory sticks aren't really simulated, so I doubt that?
L486[15:08:32] <S3> right, that's what I've always thought
L487[15:08:46] <Inari> They're just there to say "you only have xzy many bytes"
L488[15:08:53] <Inari> And it errors if you go above that
L489[15:09:04] <Vexatos> memory sticks just increase a number
L490[15:09:14] <Vexatos> your architecture is told that is has n memory
L491[15:09:26] <Vexatos> provided in generic memory unit
L492[15:09:27] <S3> I'm trying to come up with the best way to reserve memory for my forth virtual machine. what if I allow you to specify memory zsize and somehow create a string of said size? well, I don't know if I could initialize it to zero in case Lua strings are stored as null terminated.
L493[15:09:32] <S3> using a table would be very innefificent
L494[15:10:00] <Inari> Uh
L495[15:10:14] <Inari> Why would you want to reserve memory
L496[15:11:00] <S3> It's because if you want a proper forth, it really helps to have a flat segment of memory to build your memory map in
L497[15:11:24] <S3> Why is this important? because many primatives depend on being able to track memory pointers and increment them
L498[15:11:35] <Inari> Well you don't want to use strins fro that :P
L499[15:11:41] <Izaya> S3: you can use nulls in lua strings fine
L500[15:11:53] <Inari> Afaik lua basically creates a new string when you modify one
L501[15:11:53] <payonel> S3: this is where lua doesn't shine. you're going to have to use strings
L502[15:11:55] <S3> without them your forth isn't very powerful without a lot of boiler
L503[15:12:19] <S3> hmm
L504[15:12:24] <S3> so strings are immutable in Lua
L505[15:12:25] <payonel> you're really going to have to balance this with a partial string and table solution
L506[15:12:33] <MGR> You mean you won't be able to go forth and conquer?
L507[15:12:34] <S3> I wonder if that's going to suck
L508[15:12:36] <Inari> Just have tables \o/
L509[15:12:36] <payonel> partition the "memory" in a table, and each partition is a string
L510[15:12:39] <Corded> * <MGR> laughs at his hillarious puns
L511[15:12:57] <S3> payonel: you're right. I could use a table to create memory "banks"
L512[15:13:00] <Inari> Why have strings at all
L513[15:13:01] <S3> and each bank a string of memory contents
L514[15:13:06] <S3> is that what you're implying?
L515[15:13:09] <Inari> Use bitops and numbers
L516[15:13:14] <payonel> Inari: because using a table would cause an enormous amount of waste
L517[15:13:15] <Inari> store numbers in a table
L518[15:13:34] <payonel> if youre trying to represent the entire memory space in a table, one byte of memory per table index
L519[15:13:50] <S3> I would thinjk that'd be horrible inneficient
L520[15:13:54] <payonel> yes
L521[15:13:55] <S3> horribly*
L522[15:13:57] <payonel> i was saying that is a waste
L523[15:13:59] <S3> access time is O(1)
L524[15:14:00] <S3> but
L525[15:14:06] <payonel> yes, it is a balance
L526[15:14:07] <S3> it'd take up ridiculous memory
L527[15:14:10] <Inari> payonel: Uh
L528[15:14:17] <Inari> What?
L529[15:14:21] <payonel> one byte per index < --- > all in a string
L530[15:14:25] <payonel> you find the balance
L531[15:14:41] <Inari> You mean each index i an extra byte?
L532[15:15:03] <MGR> ? Nobody laughed at my pun
L533[15:15:06] <payonel> Inari: there are two way to represent memory space in lua, strings or an array (table)
L534[15:15:32] <payonel> Inari: if you represent all of memory in a string, you have practically NO waste, but reading memory is inefficient because of all the string.sub calls you have to make
L535[15:15:51] <payonel> if you represent all memory in a table, it is ideal for read and writes, but you waste space storing the data
L536[15:15:52] <Inari> Sure, I'm just asking where the wasste comes from
L537[15:16:11] <payonel> because each element/node in the table incurs extra space cost
L538[15:16:22] <Inari> Thats a shame
L539[15:16:29] <S3> so what I could do
L540[15:16:40] <S3> is use a table with maybe 32 bytes per cell?
L541[15:16:42] <S3> index*
L542[15:16:53] <payonel> S3: test it
L543[15:16:58] <payonel> make no assumptions :)
L544[15:17:49] <payonel> e.g. load up oc with openos, check `free`, build a sequential table of 1s until out of memory, see how far you got
L545[15:18:23] <payonel> then build a "string in each element" solution, fill it with string.char(1) in each elemental until OOM, see how far you got
L546[15:18:25] <payonel> and compare, and balance
L547[15:18:40] <Inari> automate the balancing
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L549[15:19:55] <Inari> Ideally imo you'd just simulate the uninterrupted memory instead of actually having it
L550[15:21:39] <payonel> Inari: yes i agree, but it would be good to know how best to simulate it
L551[15:21:44] <payonel> e.g. a string or a table or a mix
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L553[15:21:58] <Inari> Yeah
L554[15:21:58] <payonel> i'm not saying s3 build an entire empty table of memory, just waiting
L555[15:22:05] <Inari> I thikn table though
L556[15:22:10] <payonel> i hope so
L557[15:22:12] <payonel> it feels more sane
L558[15:22:14] <Inari> With strings being immutable you have a lot of waste around otherwise
L559[15:22:17] <payonel> i await s3's test results
L560[15:22:26] <payonel> well that's a good point
L561[15:22:35] <payonel> you'd waste a ton of potential memory space needed for operations
L562[15:22:56] <payonel> S3 ^ i'm siding with Inari -- don't even test strings, just use tables? :)
L563[15:23:04] <payonel> also, i believe GreaseMonkey has a great opinion on this
L564[15:28:54] <Inari> Of course you can keep track of memory usage waste by strings and force a gc call by yielding 10 times :P
L565[15:30:16] <payonel> i think it is 20
L566[15:30:18] <payonel> but yeah
L567[15:30:39] <Inari> Hmm either I forgot teh true number or it was changed since I looked xD
L568[15:30:43] <payonel> maybe it is 10 :/ maybe it is 10 and i always assumed 20 to be safe, and used 40 to be safer
L569[15:31:01] <Forecaster> and used math.huge to be super safe
L570[15:31:17] <Inari> It's 10
L571[15:31:31] <Inari> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/lua/machine.lua#L1435-L1441
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L573[15:32:49] <payonel> cool
L574[15:34:46] <Inari> I'd still like a function you can call to force a yield
L575[15:34:48] <Inari> Er
L576[15:34:50] <Inari> To force a gc
L577[15:39:51] <S3> payonel: won't be right now anywyas im at an event we're ooking at high energy positron antimatter decay
L578[15:39:57] <S3> using alchohol and dry ice
L579[15:40:13] <S3> some guy from MIT is here showing us
L580[15:47:08] <payonel> mit is overrated
L581[15:47:19] <payonel> what's with mit anyways
L582[15:47:25] <payonel> ^ my attempt to make a german pun
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L586[16:37:58] <BILLPC2684> RIP
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L588[17:14:36] <BILLPC2684> wait was the RAM sticks(In-Game) alway just called as "memory"?
L589[17:14:58] <AmandaC> payonel: 5 years later Issue 4234234: "Why does OpenOS take so long to boot? I did some skimming and it looks like it's sleeping for 5 minutes serveral times during the boot?"
L590[17:15:36] <BILLPC2684> why does it take 5+ mins to boot?
L591[17:19:24] <payonel> AmandaC: haha :) yeah
L592[17:19:32] <payonel> BILLPC2684: AmandaC was being sarcastic
L593[17:19:42] <payonel> about something we were talking about with gc and sleeps
L594[17:19:43] <BILLPC2684> oh
L595[17:20:32] <BILLPC2684> think of me like shelden... i don't get sarcasem that much
L596[17:21:17] <payonel> BILLPC2684: "5 years later" and "Issue 4234234" were the hints, btw :)
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L600[17:38:27] <BILLPC2684> brb
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L604[17:52:52] <20kdc> payonel: The solution, to me, appears to be to reduce startup fixed costs...
L605[17:53:36] <20kdc> Removing "boot/sleep_until_iceage.lua" may help. :)
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L608[18:14:46] <BILLPC2684> hey i'm back :3
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L618[19:01:48] <S3> AmandaC you know it's fun how computers went from being pretty much instantaneous boot, to taking forever to boot, to now booting fast
L619[19:01:50] <S3> IRL
L620[19:02:12] <S3> but even the newest computers don't boot as fast as my first computer
L621[19:03:21] <S3> Many of the computers booted so fast, they had to idle and wait for the video output to warm up before they would display anything on the screen.
L622[19:03:45] <S3> and this was like, within milisecconds of course.
L623[19:03:54] <ben_mkiv> that may explain why my screen takes 20mins to turn off
L624[19:03:57] <ben_mkiv> i'm traveling back in time
L625[19:04:09] <ben_mkiv> turn on
L626[19:04:21] <ben_mkiv> would be fun if it would take time to turn off xD
L627[19:06:38] <S3> brb I need to roll out the pizza dough
L628[19:06:51] <S3> and well the really old ones too minutes
L629[19:07:29] <S3> but to you as a human being turning on the power switch the computer was ready to take command by the time your finger left the switch
L630[19:07:54] <S3> but that was like 80,000 cycles after it started
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L651[20:55:12] <digital> hello
L652[20:56:51] <Izaya> hi
L653[21:06:06] <digital> um... does anyone here know how add support for OC to a mod in 1.10.2?
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L655[21:50:41] <AmandaC> %tell I heard about an adorable anime and it's amazing. Kemono Friends
L656[21:50:41] <MichiBot> AmandaC: I will be notified of this message when next seen.
L657[21:50:49] <AmandaC> Fuck
L658[21:51:02] <Mimiru> lol..
L659[21:51:05] <Kodos> Wat
L660[21:51:12] <Kodos> Oh lol
L661[21:51:20] <AmandaC> %tell Inari I heard about an adorable anime and it's amazing. Kemono Friends
L662[21:51:20] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L663[21:52:14] * AmandaC pads around, curls up, sleeps. Night nerds
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L665[22:01:11] <digital> I wounder if anyone has ever logged in as I
L666[22:10:50] <Mimiru> -NickServ- Information on I (account Isiah):
L667[22:10:54] <Mimiru> so.. Yes
L668[22:22:50] <digital> XD
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