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L1[00:06:42] <Izaya> http://pb.i0i0.me/p/Gm7fdMAa \o/
L2[01:11:08] <gamax92> %remindme 529m note down start time of label task
L3[01:11:10] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "note down start time of label task" at 07/30/2017 10:00:09 AM
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L5[02:04:58] <Skye> Izaya, what's that?
L6[02:05:16] <Izaya> Skye: new OS's API
L7[02:05:31] <Skye> you're making another OS?
L8[02:05:35] <Izaya> well
L9[02:05:44] <Izaya> originally I was gonna rewrite the scheduler and that was it
L10[02:05:49] <Izaya> then I realised how messy MultICE is
L11[02:05:54] <Izaya> so now I'm rewriting most of the stuff
L12[02:06:02] <Izaya> and starting with buffers and a real event system
L13[02:06:23] <Izaya> rather than have every program based around reading _G.ev and a coroutine.yield()
L14[02:06:56] <Izaya> still don't have a proper name for it
L15[02:09:01] <Izaya> Skye: it has a bunch of improvements
L16[02:09:04] <Saphire> o.o
L17[02:09:12] <Izaya> like an event queue
L18[02:09:31] <Saphire> Izaya: can it run Crysis?
L19[02:09:34] <Skye> QOS? Quality Operating System. also a pun on Quality of Service
L20[02:09:37] <Izaya> and a scheduler that runs processes for different amounts of time based on the amount of events left in their queue
L21[02:09:51] <Izaya> Skye: one character away from QDOS :P
L22[02:10:03] <Izaya> ooh applications are sandboxed
L23[02:10:07] <Saphire> Quick Denial of Service?
L24[02:10:19] <Saphire> Also, yay, native sandboxing
L25[02:10:36] <Saphire> What about networked resources?
L26[02:10:36] <Skye> IZOS
L27[02:10:38] <Izaya> QDOS can be either Quick and Dirty Operating System - ie MS DOS - or Quantum (leap) Disk Operating System
L28[02:10:52] <Izaya> Saphire: what about them?
L29[02:12:04] <Saphire> I mean, can I run a program on one computer, and natively use other computer's devices?
L30[02:12:18] <Izaya> Saphire: "yes"
L31[02:12:23] <Izaya> kind of
L32[02:12:30] <Izaya> I had a thing for that for MultICE
L33[02:14:30] <Izaya> maybe I should have a HAL as well
L34[02:14:51] <Izaya> event-based so I can have it shared across networks
L35[02:15:13] <Izaya> that could be wonderfully horrifying
L36[02:15:54] <Izaya> that would make stuff very slow though
L37[02:15:56] <Izaya> :|
L38[02:16:08] <Izaya> would take at least 3 cycles to display anything
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L41[02:17:52] <Skye> erk
L42[02:19:50] <Skye> Izaya, well... what would the HAL be?
L43[02:21:09] <Izaya> Skye: to access components you'd use a function that queues/listens for events
L44[02:21:20] <Skye> hm
L45[02:21:33] <Izaya> you'd have a daemon for each piece of hardware
L46[02:21:39] <Skye> well you might want virtual components too
L47[02:21:46] <Izaya> that's the beauty of it
L48[02:21:56] <Izaya> you can easily make a listener for 'hardware'
L49[02:22:02] <Izaya> that doesn't really exist
L50[02:22:12] <Izaya> ie a RAMdisk or network component
L51[02:22:14] <Izaya> but it would be slow :|
L52[02:22:29] <Izaya> you could always just patch component to support virtual components
L53[02:22:32] <Skye> I have an idea
L54[02:22:42] <Skye> have an "interface" system
L55[02:22:45] <Izaya> and then have the functions in there access them over the network
L56[02:22:49] <Skye> or
L57[02:22:54] <Skye> you have sandboxes right
L58[02:23:00] <Izaya> yes
L59[02:23:10] <Skye> just run each driver in a sandbox in the HAL
L60[02:23:25] <Skye> the only message is to and from the HAL
L61[02:23:42] <Skye> and the drivers have a limited API
L62[02:24:01] <Skye> but provide the services through the HAL?
L63[02:24:16] <Skye> so you have, say a graphics driver, that runs in the HAL
L64[02:24:21] <Izaya> I mean I could remove the 'event' part
L65[02:24:24] <Izaya> except where neccesary
L66[02:24:39] <Skye> Izaya, well the idea is that you can either fake the events in the HAL sandbox, or just not use them.
L67[02:24:45] <Skye> as a sort of generic driver system...
L68[02:24:59] <Skye> wait am I remembering my old idea for drivers for OC
L69[02:25:02] <Skye> I am aren't I
L70[02:25:11] <Skye> I mean... I guess it's finally a somewhat reasonable use
L71[02:25:37] <Izaya> I was thinking I'd just abstract component use and have it easy to add virtual components
L72[02:26:31] <Skye> Well... with you component "driver", make it possible to invoke stuff with events as an inefficient but handy way to test something
L73[02:26:49] <Skye> (it'd be neat if you could find a way to make some events syncronus, as an optional thing)
L74[02:29:45] * Izaya shrugs
L75[02:30:31] <Skye> Izaya, what sort of things does a driver need to have?
L76[02:30:49] <Izaya> I was just gonna have it expose the component
L77[02:31:04] <Skye> access to the component API, logging, and a way to expose APIs.
L78[02:31:32] <Izaya> Skye: you previously complained my code is hard to read, right?
L79[02:31:39] <Izaya> http://pb.i0i0.me/p/vBrgw6cm how's this?
L80[02:32:56] <Skye> Izaya, it's still hard to read but now I don't need to ask you to work out what it does
L81[02:33:00] <Skye> so it's better
L82[02:33:10] <Izaya> I commented more of it
L83[02:33:21] <Izaya> still need to comment the ported MultICE libs
L84[02:33:59] <Skye> why is it a giant blob though
L85[02:34:37] <Izaya> I'm currently building the kernel by using this command:
L86[02:34:39] <Izaya> cat modules/base/header.lua modules/drivers/tty.lua modules/lib/print.lua modules/drivers/kbd.lua modules/drivers/net.lua modules/lib/readline.lua modules/applications/luash.lua modules/setup.lua modules/base/footer.lua
L87[02:34:58] <Izaya> and piping it to kernel.lua
L88[02:35:08] <Skye> don't you want it to be modular
L89[02:35:14] <Izaya> it is
L90[02:35:19] <Skye> at runtime
L91[02:35:35] <Izaya> I don't have a FS implementation yet
L92[02:36:15] <Izaya> also this can load from a tape or similar happily
L93[02:36:24] <Izaya> I should modify the Lua BIOS to support that
L94[02:38:50] <Izaya> only 2KB for default BIOS.lua
L95[02:39:01] <Tazz> lol
L96[02:39:11] <Tazz> does anyone know like a lot about OSs
L97[02:39:14] <Izaya> that gives me 2KB to implement it
L98[02:39:16] <Tazz> like deep down
L99[02:39:22] <Izaya> Tazz: for OC?
L100[02:39:31] <Tazz> no
L101[02:39:35] <Tazz> for like real computers XD
L102[02:39:40] <Izaya> ah
L103[02:39:45] <Izaya> real computers are complicated
L104[02:39:54] <Tazz> lol
L105[02:39:55] <Izaya> I should be able to do this tape drive thing p. quickly
L106[02:39:56] <Tazz> fair enough
L107[02:40:12] <Tazz> I myself dont know much about internal workings of OSs
L108[02:40:32] <Tazz> but like Im working on project to learn about them I just kinda wanted to like see if anyone could point me into the right direction LOL
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L110[02:42:11] <Skye> Tazz, I wasted hours researching and I still don't understand
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L114[02:47:56] <Tazz> lol
L115[02:48:39] <Izaya> ~w component
L116[02:48:39] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component
L117[02:55:20] <Izaya> oh Skye
L118[02:55:27] <Izaya> the new one also supports the clipboard now
L119[02:55:36] <Skye> yay
L120[02:55:59] <Skye> Izaya, how does sandboxing work by the way?
L121[02:56:39] <Izaya> Skye: each program has an environment table that has a metatable __index=_G
L122[02:56:51] <Izaya> they can read _G but they won't write to it unless explicitly stated
L123[02:57:08] <Izaya> and they can't access other programs' environments at all because it's local to the block with the scheduler
L124[02:58:15] <Skye> interesting
L125[02:58:37] <Skye> Izaya, so... say I wanted to make a driver sandbox, what would be the best way?
L126[02:58:46] <Izaya> what do you mean?
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L128[03:00:54] <Skye> Izaya, I'm thinking of creating a simple driver sandbox
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L130[03:21:05] <Izaya> so I have a thing that can boot from tapes now
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L132[03:37:19] <Izaya> \o/
L133[03:37:22] <Izaya> loading from tapes works
L134[03:40:11] <Izaya> Hm, think if I PR'd my tape loading version of bios.lua it'd be accepted?
L135[03:40:21] <Izaya> it needs a kinda weird header
L136[03:41:08] <Izaya> basically it's an ! at the start of the tape, followed by 8 chars that get turned into a number which is the length of the executable to read
L137[03:42:05] * Izaya pokes Vexatos
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L139[03:50:08] <Vexatos> oh no
L140[03:50:47] <Izaya> Vexatos: do you want me to make a PR to make bootable tapes to your tape program in computronics?
L141[03:50:55] <Vexatos> no
L142[03:50:57] <Vexatos> :D
L143[03:51:02] <Izaya> ok
L144[03:51:22] <Izaya> 'cause I mean I added it to it and it works fine but a standalone program works too
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L146[03:55:33] <Skye> PsycheOS?
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L149[04:04:49] <Izaya> Skye: PsychOS
L150[04:04:56] <Izaya> so in lowercase it's psychos
L151[04:05:25] <Skye> good idea?
L152[04:05:32] <Izaya> It'll do for now :P
L153[04:13:46] <Izaya> Skye: https://github.com/XeonSquared/PsychOS
L154[04:20:05] <Skye> Izaya, should I do my comment about drivers in the issues thing for brainstorming?
L155[04:20:23] <Izaya> sure
L156[04:53:26] <Kodos> The area around my desk smells strongly like feet, and I have no idea why
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L159[05:04:05] <Dustpuppy> hi
L160[05:05:14] <Dustpuppy> question: is it possible to put required libs into a table and walk over the table to load them?
L161[05:05:37] <Izaya> probably
L162[05:05:47] <Dustpuppy> but how?
L163[05:06:03] <Izaya> you could do _ENV[libname] = require(libname)
L164[05:06:05] <Izaya> I think?
L165[05:06:57] <Dustpuppy> tried this way. it's not working https://pastebin.com/kPC9R9SR
L166[05:07:37] <Vexatos> that should be working ._.
L167[05:07:38] <Izaya> o.o
L168[05:07:51] * Vexatos resists criticizing code style
L169[05:08:30] <Vexatos> Dustpuppy, "It's not working" is not very... specific
L170[05:08:32] <fingercomp> in table driverTable, you set `startFunc` to `start`, which is nil in that context, and then you try to call it.
L171[05:09:15] <Vexatos> assuming that doesn't exist yet, yea
L172[05:09:22] <fingercomp> wrap `start` in quotes, and instead of `driverTable[i].startFunc()` do `driverTable[i][startFunc]()`
L173[05:09:33] <fingercomp> do the same with `extrafunc`
L174[05:09:56] <Vexatos> fingercomp, should be working either way
L175[05:10:02] <Vexatos> assuming start is a function that exists
L176[05:11:08] <Vexatos> https://puu.sh/wWTHJ/58cffd9898.png
L177[05:11:30] <Dustpuppy> no, not working
L178[05:11:37] <Vexatos> You have yet to tell us what the error is
L179[05:11:46] <Vexatos> "not working" is not helping
L180[05:11:50] <Dustpuppy> >name> expected near '['
L181[05:11:59] <Vexatos> which line >_>
L182[05:12:14] <fingercomp> wait
L183[05:12:20] <Vexatos> that's a syntax error
L184[05:12:23] <Dustpuppy> line 10. i did riverTable[i][startFunc]()
L185[05:12:24] <Vexatos> not a "not working"
L186[05:12:37] <Vexatos> Dustpuppy, fingercomp messed uo
L187[05:12:38] <Vexatos> up*
L188[05:12:43] <Vexatos> revert to what you had before
L189[05:12:43] <fingercomp> `driverTable[i].driver[driverTable[i].startFunc]()` is what I meant, not `driverTable[i][startFunc]()`
L190[05:12:48] <Vexatos> fingercomp, no
L191[05:12:51] <Vexatos> lowercase, too
L192[05:12:58] <fingercomp> ah, yes
L193[05:13:00] <Vexatos> it's startfunc
L194[05:13:25] <Vexatos> fingercomp, that would be assuming he wants to call .start in the file
L195[05:13:43] <fingercomp> Dustpuppy: to make sure, do you want to call driver's `start` function?
L196[05:13:46] <Vexatos> which is probably correct >_>
L197[05:13:49] <Dustpuppy> that's what i want to do
L198[05:13:54] <Vexatos> > _ >
L199[05:13:55] <Vexatos> ok
L200[05:14:06] <Vexatos> driverTable[i].driver[driverTable[i].startfunc]()
L201[05:14:12] <Vexatos> and replace ["startfunc"] = start
L202[05:14:13] <Dustpuppy> attempt to call a nil value
L203[05:14:15] <Vexatos> with ["startfunc"] = "start"
L204[05:14:30] <Vexatos> that should do it
L205[05:15:08] <Vexatos> Dustpuppy, with errors, always give the full error, including line number :I
L206[05:15:16] <Dustpuppy> attemp to call a string value
L207[05:15:32] <Vexatos> show me your code
L208[05:15:53] <Vexatos> and give the god damn line number ,_,
L209[05:16:24] <Dustpuppy> https://pastebin.com/kPC9R9SR
L210[05:16:42] <Dustpuppy> this is the try. the uncomment lines are, what i normaly do
L211[05:17:06] <Dustpuppy> start in "" will not work
L212[05:17:08] <Vexatos> you haven't changed line 10 :I
L213[05:17:18] <Vexatos> <Vexatos> driverTable[i].driver[driverTable[i].startfunc]()
L214[05:17:45] <Vexatos> and the same for line 12
L215[05:18:00] <Vexatos> driverTable[i].driver[driverTable[i].extrafunc](), respectively
L216[05:18:21] <Dustpuppy> that works
L217[05:18:37] <Dustpuppy> you guy are great
L218[05:18:38] <Vexatos> you need to work on the way you report errors
L219[05:18:55] <Vexatos> less "Not working", more "line n: <actual error message", please
L220[05:19:22] <Dustpuppy> ok, i will remember
L221[05:19:48] <Vexatos> Thanks
L222[05:24:24] <Dustpuppy> now he's ignoring line 11 https://pastebin.com/kPC9R9SR
L223[05:25:34] <fingercomp> on line 4, wrap `login` in quotes: ["extrafunc"] = "login"
L224[05:25:59] <Dustpuppy> good morning.....it's to early for me
L225[05:26:40] <Dustpuppy> yeh...working
L226[05:26:42] <fingercomp> also, you don't need to compare for `nil` on line 11, `if driverTable[i].extrafunc then` is enough
L227[05:26:50] <Dustpuppy> tahnk you girls and guys
L228[05:26:58] <Vexatos> ^ that checks for "not false and not nil", basically
L229[05:27:00] <Vexatos> the shortcut
L230[05:27:30] <Dustpuppy> i know, but i like this way. better to read
L231[05:27:34] <Dustpuppy> for me
L232[05:29:40] <Dustpuppy> now i need to make the config file part, installer and the documentation how to write own programs. then i am finished....i hope...
L233[05:38:12] <Izaya> oh
L234[05:38:17] <Izaya> that's why GTA isn't running well
L235[05:38:25] <Izaya> I have two instances of Minecraft running in the background
L236[05:55:22] <Izaya> ~w computer
L237[05:55:22] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer
L238[06:18:43] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/dBGRGzE.png
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L242[08:28:03] <Forecaster> killall java
L243[08:28:21] <Dustpuppy> killer?
L244[08:28:51] * Forecaster forces clauset shut
L245[08:28:53] <Forecaster> who me?
L246[08:29:11] <Dustpuppy> who else is killing all javas?
L247[08:29:29] <Forecaster> *coffee leaks out from under the door*
L248[08:29:34] <Forecaster> I don't know what you're talking about
L249[08:29:45] <Dustpuppy> [14:20:07] <Forecaster> killall java
L250[08:30:26] <Forecaster> that... could have been anyone!
L251[08:30:46] <Dustpuppy> taht could be everyone ;-)
L252[08:38:29] <Izaya> >.>
L253[08:38:35] <Izaya> getting permission denied with syncthing again
L254[08:38:52] <Izaya> my SD card is fat32 how can you be denied permission
L255[08:39:00] <Izaya> there is literally zero permissions on the filesystem
L256[08:39:09] <Izaya> fucking android
L257[08:39:35] <Dustpuppy> switch at the card on write protect?
L258[08:39:48] <Izaya> microsd has no write protect switch
L259[08:43:56] <Izaya> yet it works if I run syncthing as root
L260[08:49:21] <Skye> Izaya, android has stopped people from being able to directly access SD cards since version 5
L261[08:49:35] <Skye> Even version 4.4 was a bit flaky
L262[08:50:39] <Izaya> I'm aware
L263[08:50:45] <Izaya> I semi-fixed
L264[08:50:49] <Izaya> that problem
L265[08:51:00] <Izaya> by modifying something in /system
L266[08:51:09] <Izaya> only works every third time though
L267[08:51:09] <Skye> You need to mess with the permissions manifest I think
L268[08:51:18] <Izaya> stupid design decision tbh
L269[08:54:21] <AmandaC> Perfectly reasonable design decision, if you've not butchered the system in 10 different incompatable ways since.
L270[08:57:55] <AmandaC> considerng this kind of error is only happening to people with root, that means it's not Android at fault, but the modifications your ROM makes, which probably make it unable to pass the CTS
L271[08:58:08] <Izaya> ???
L272[08:58:13] <Izaya> it happens on stock android too
L273[09:09:43] <Syrren> AmandaC: it's got a lot more with google policy on sdcards than ROMs, afaik
L274[09:09:53] <Syrren> i.o.w. note how Google phones never ever have SD slots
L275[09:09:58] <Syrren> they want you to use their cloud services
L276[09:11:30] <AmandaC> Syrren: it's more to do with security, they want to make sure app A can't clobber app B's files, without explicit user consent, so they deprecated the normal Unix file access in favor of a Java one with more strict controls, and explicit user permission requests, but since syncthing is written in Go it's not able to talk to that.
L277[09:12:09] <AmandaC> https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing-android/issues/29
L278[09:12:32] <Inari> AmandaC: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF_N55YUQAQ5Hm8.jpg:large ~
L279[09:12:38] <AmandaC> Their position is they should be using the DocumentProvider folder stuff introduced in L, which they need to wait for upstream to make possible in Go.
L280[09:14:01] <AmandaC> So, sorry, it does affect non-rooted phones.
L281[09:15:07] <Temia> This honestly sounds like a good reason to just stop using phones forever.
L282[09:15:48] <Syrren> s/phones/smartphones/
L283[09:15:48] <MichiBot> <Temia> This honestly sounds like a good reason to just stop using smartphones forever.
L284[09:15:49] <Forecaster> you can just get a regular dumb phone
L285[09:16:01] <Temia> Eh.
L286[09:16:40] <Temia> I only ever use my current one for IRC at this point, so...
L287[09:16:40] <Syrren> Izaya: FWIW there is "Adoptable Storage".
L288[09:16:56] <AmandaC> Syrren: in N, she's on marshmellow
L289[09:17:04] <Temia> IRC and SSH.
L290[09:17:16] <Syrren> Ah.
L291[09:17:23] <Izaya> Temia: plasma mobile exists
L292[09:17:44] <Izaya> all is not lost
L293[09:17:53] <Izaya> if you have a nexus 5, anyway
L294[09:18:04] <Syrren> ...which has no SD slot.
L295[09:18:09] <Temia> Ew, software keyboards.
L296[09:18:26] <Syrren> what're you using that has a hardware keyboard?
L297[09:18:28] <Syrren> a blackberry?
L298[09:18:36] <Temia> Galaxy S Relay.
L299[09:18:49] <Temia> Last good phone I could find which had one.
L300[09:19:00] <Syrren> oh, slideout kb
L301[09:19:23] <Syrren> first time I hear of Sammy making a kb-smartphone
L302[09:19:49] <Inari> Hmmm
L303[09:19:57] <Izaya> I just want an updated N900 q_q
L304[09:20:03] * Inari wants a FPGA component :P
L305[09:20:07] <Inari> Thouhg I ugess it makes little sense
L306[09:20:18] <Temia> Last, too
L307[09:20:41] <Syrren> imagine a X220 clone with a modern CPU and 3G modem, just add calling support and you have the perfect smart "phone" :P
L308[09:20:56] <Syrren> s/3G/4G/
L309[09:20:56] <MichiBot> <Syrren> imagine a X220 clone with a modern CPU and 4G modem, just add calling support and you have the perfect smart "phone" :P
L310[09:21:18] <Syrren> battery life would be about the same, too, given a 9-cell
L311[09:21:32] * Saphire nibbles on Michiyo
L312[09:21:53] * Forecaster likes his Galaxy S8
L313[09:21:55] <Saphire> ...I really want that TILE64 CPU q-q
L314[09:21:55] <Inari> Princess Principal seems interesting
L315[09:22:00] <Saphire> It looks shiiiiinyyyyy
L316[09:22:25] <Izaya> why not a PC110 with a 4G modem and updated internals, Syrren ?
L317[09:22:38] <Syrren> Saphire: but... DDR2 and 900MHz max?
L318[09:23:07] <gamax92> It loops over every 1113 sentences, 48 times
L319[09:23:12] <gamax92> this'll take a while
L320[09:23:41] <Syrren> Izaya: because I've never used one of those so I can't judge. looks fucking perfect though
L321[09:23:48] <Inari> gamax92: What are you doing D:
L322[09:24:21] <Inari> payonel: https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/awQQvYx_460sv.mp4
L323[09:24:31] <gamax92> Inari: marytts voice importing
L324[09:24:46] * Saphire flops
L325[09:24:48] <Saphire> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2420 q-q
L326[09:25:35] <gamax92> I'm using the slt arctic voice data for training atm just to get a hang of how to make a voice and how long it'll take
L327[09:26:04] <Syrren> gamax92: why can't you use festival directly? there's pre-trained slt arctic voices for that iirc
L328[09:26:15] <gamax92> because the point is to learn about voice importing
L329[09:27:43] <gamax92> and since that's a sorta misleading name, it's for taking wav data and info on what is say in each wav, and making a tts voice out of that
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L331[09:32:43] <Syrren> ah
L332[09:35:14] <Inari> %give MichiBot a love potion
L333[09:35:16] * MichiBot accepts the love potion and adds it to her inventory
L334[09:37:48] <Saphire> Question
L335[09:37:56] <Saphire> Can there be block attached cables? owo
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L337[10:00:10] <MichiBot> gamax92 REMINDER: note down start time of label task
L338[10:00:33] <Inari> Saphire: ?
L339[10:11:55] * Temia slides a link across the table to Inari. >.> https://twitter.com/age_jaco/status/891663884020527107
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L342[10:25:24] <Inari> Temia: nice ears, okay-ish tail, bad shoes
L343[10:25:57] <Syrren> AmandaC (cc Izaya): According to https://www.androidcentral.com/adoptable-storage adoptable has been a thing since Marshmellow
L344[10:26:14] <AmandaC> ah, I thought it was an addition in N
L345[10:26:38] <Syrren> OEMs have apparently been diking it out for a while
L346[10:26:50] <Inari> s/ell/all/
L347[10:26:50] <MichiBot> <Syrren> AmandaC (cc Izaya): According to https://www.androidcentral.com/adoptable-storage adoptable has been a thing since Marshmallow
L348[10:27:12] <Syrren> One regex, 3 extra pings :P
L349[10:27:55] <AmandaC> "diking it out"?
L350[10:28:28] <Syrren> AmandaC: http://catb.org/jargon/html/D/dike.html
L351[10:30:46] <Temia> Catness rating?
L352[10:31:10] <Inari> Pretty catty?
L353[10:31:19] <Temia> \o/
L354[10:31:48] <Temia> The more cat, the better!
L355[10:37:58] <Inari> And the more fox the even better
L356[10:40:00] * Temia bribes Inari with fried tofu.
L357[10:40:50] <Inari> Haha
L358[10:41:18] <S3> screw systemd
L359[10:41:19] <S3> :D
L360[10:41:29] <S3> I am so happy somebody stood up and gave them a pwnie
L361[10:41:55] * Temia sips coffee. Is curious as to what happened this time.
L362[10:42:41] <S3> this is funny
L363[10:42:43] <S3> they said:
L364[10:42:44] <S3> "Where you are dereferencing null pointers, or writing out of bounds, or not supporting fully qualified domain names, or giving root privileges to any user whose name begins with a number, there's no chance that the CVE number will referenced in either the change log or the commit message,"
L365[10:43:09] <S3> ...
L366[10:43:09] <S3> "But CVEs aren't really our currency any more, and only the lamest of vendors gets a Pwnie!"
L367[10:43:35] <S3> basically: 'Systemd wins top gong for 'lamest vendor' in Pwnie security awards'
L368[10:44:09] <Temia> Faaantastic.
L369[10:44:19] <Temia> I'm honestly surprised Arch is still holding onto it.
L370[10:44:41] <S3> it's what the people want
L371[10:44:54] <Izaya> there's plenty of better alternatives
L372[10:45:25] <S3> you can organize distributions into governments sometimes
L373[10:45:30] <Izaya> Syrren: I don't want to extend my internal storage, I want a removable storage device I can access with applications
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L375[10:47:40] <Izaya> if I could totally rip out the whole 'can only access it through a bullshit Java API that doesn't work' part that'd be wonderful
L376[10:47:49] <gamax92> oh good another thing labeled as will take several hours
L377[10:48:20] <gamax92> oh even the script say it, "The training procedure can take several hours."
L378[10:50:04] <Forecaster> scraping data from a wiki is annoying :I
L379[10:50:34] <Forecaster> especially when there's fields that have the same titles within one page...
L380[10:50:47] <gamax92> sounds fun
L381[10:51:28] <Forecaster> I wish all these cards were available in a nice table
L382[10:56:48] <Forecaster> like the FF items I scraped for Michiyo
L383[10:56:57] <Forecaster> those were all in a table, that was easy
L384[10:57:14] <Forecaster> but these all have their own page and a pretty annoying layout...
L385[11:04:09] <Syrren> Izaya: You're not the only one. :)
L386[11:04:33] <Syrren> also re systemd -- which better alternatives were you referring to?
L387[11:04:48] <Syrren> (I am aware that there are many)
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L389[11:08:21] <S3> so
L390[11:09:06] <Forecaster> os
L391[11:09:07] <S3> Inari: when we gettin low profile scheduling in multice?
L392[11:09:07] <S3> :D
L393[11:09:11] <S3> Izaya: &
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L395[11:09:14] <S3> not Inari
L396[11:09:19] <Inari> pls
L397[11:09:30] <S3> gotta stop hitting i and tab
L398[11:09:31] <S3> lol
L399[11:09:32] <Inari> Why are you so lazy
L400[11:09:37] <S3> HEHEHE
L401[11:10:02] <Izaya> S3: https://github.com/XeonSquared/PsychOS
L402[11:10:17] <S3> does it work?
L403[11:10:27] <S3> waaait
L404[11:10:41] <S3> what's this
L405[11:11:08] <Inari> Thats PsychOS
L406[11:11:15] <S3> well yes but
L407[11:11:26] <S3> what's so special about it
L408[11:11:35] <Inari> Dunno
L409[11:11:38] <Inari> It's psychic?
L410[11:11:52] <S3> I really want to make an OS for OC that is just pure functional style
L411[11:12:05] <S3> how does it differ from multice?
L412[11:12:27] <Izaya> S3: cleaner, better scheduler, event API
L413[11:12:41] <S3> is it meant to fit on a uc like multice?
L414[11:12:48] <Izaya> readable code
L415[11:12:52] <S3> I see
L416[11:12:54] <Izaya> not really
L417[11:13:14] <Izaya> now that I have workable netboot...
L418[11:13:37] <S3> lol
L419[11:14:16] <S3> huh.. event.pull...
L420[11:14:27] <S3> so your processes are actually sleeping now until they have something to do?
L421[11:14:58] <S3> I realized something about my actor model thing that sort of made it stupid
L422[11:15:02] <S3> I was naming my actors by string
L423[11:15:15] <S3> but pid numbers are not hard to handle
L424[11:15:49] <S3> If I made an os I think I'd use 3 sgment pids
L425[11:16:01] <S3> {a, b, c}
L426[11:16:03] <Izaya> S3: as much as they can
L427[11:16:27] <S3> a would be the node in a cluster it's on, b would be the pid number on that node, and c would be how many times it has restarted from a crash
L428[11:16:41] <S3> in printable context as a.b.c
L429[11:16:41] <Izaya> scheduler also pays attention to how many events are queued
L430[11:16:49] <S3> neat
L431[11:17:42] <Izaya> so a process with 5 events queued runs 5x/cycle while one with two queued runs 2x
L432[11:17:58] <S3> neat
L433[11:18:34] <S3> I was working on making it like a bucket of messages
L434[11:19:14] <S3> so if you got 5 messages in your box by the time you had some cpu time
L435[11:19:19] <S3> you'd just process as much as you want
L436[11:19:24] <S3> the message box is an fifo
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L438[11:43:10] <Skye> I kinda want to make something that would be pointless but kinda cool
L439[11:44:33] <S3> Skye: make a sun mill
L440[11:44:40] * Saphire pokes Michiyo again
L441[11:44:49] <Skye> S3, I want to make a driver abstraction thing for OC
L442[11:44:52] <S3> aka, a radiometer
L443[11:44:52] <S3> oh
L444[11:45:00] <S3> Skye: there's a problem
L445[11:45:07] <Skye> throw it at me
L446[11:45:14] <Mimiru> ?
L447[11:45:17] <S3> how the heck is that going to work, if every os has a different way of accessing components?
L448[11:45:58] <Skye> S3, that's exactly the point it was trying to solve
L449[11:46:20] <Skye> provide a "standard" component API that it will do the translation for
L450[11:46:24] <S3> in the Os I started writing, pulling events is very different for example
L451[11:46:32] <Mimiru> Saphire, ?
L452[11:46:50] <S3> in my OS the only thing that can pull events from OC is the kernel itself.
L453[11:47:04] <Skye> S3, the idea was to abstract it
L454[11:47:11] <Skye> so you didn't have actual access to events
L455[11:47:18] <S3> heh
L456[11:47:49] <Skye> you could go "I need modem_message", tell me when that happens, but that's about it.
L457[11:47:54] <Skye> "
L458[11:47:57] <Skye> whatever
L459[11:47:59] <Skye> well
L460[11:48:02] <Skye> all theoretically
L461[11:48:06] <S3> yeah
L462[11:48:09] <Skye> this was like my first OC idea
L463[11:48:21] <Skye> there were many reasons why I dropped it
L464[11:48:29] <Skye> actually correction, it was my third.
L465[11:48:53] <Skye> first was... an idea for a map, went nowhere. next was miniOS. then that thing
L466[11:49:12] * Mimiru shrugs
L467[11:49:42] <S3> I think that a driver interface would go against my OS's design rules
L468[11:49:48] <S3> not with the event thing
L469[11:49:57] <S3> but with the design of drivers thing
L470[11:52:02] <S3> in my design it's against the 'rules' to hold onto any information in a variable that will continue to live when the function exits.
L471[11:52:16] <S3> makes event handling exciting
L472[11:52:28] <Skye> S3, the "idea" of drivers is to be an interface between the raw component and the rest of the world. For simple things, it's probably overhead, but it could be useful in certain cases, say a redstone card driver that actually told you which trigged the event. :P
L473[11:52:48] <Skye> S3, so no globals?
L474[11:52:50] <S3> Skye: if you can find a way to make it work without ANY state at all
L475[11:53:08] <S3> Skye: correct. Besides what you can't control as part of the runtime of the language
L476[11:53:21] <S3> of course, functions are variables, they are the exception, to an extent
L477[11:53:27] <S3> as long as they don't provide side effects
L478[11:53:40] <S3> for example, you want to store "foo" into x
L479[11:53:43] <Skye> S3, the drivers will be sandboxed and isolated completely from the rest of the system.
L480[11:53:51] <S3> so you make a global function x() that returns "foo" <-- this is also bad
L481[11:54:28] <Skye> theoretically... you could even filter things, so functions aren't passed between them
L482[11:54:38] <S3> could
L483[11:54:52] <S3> I'm not worried about removing the ability to do so
L484[11:55:14] <S3> rules in the real world can be broken, but there are consequences
L485[11:55:48] <S3> in this scenario, the consequences are often side effects and compromising stability, security, etc.
L486[11:55:56] <gamax92> father got this super chinese looking box, it's a set of wireless(with ports for wires) speakers
L487[11:56:09] <S3> gamax92: ooh?
L488[11:56:32] <Skye> S3, well... could state be safely isolated in a sandbox (like only core lua libs + core driver stuffs).
L489[11:57:01] <gamax92> when you turn it on it says: Da bluechooh devich is ready chu pair
L490[11:57:13] <S3> gamax92: XD
L491[11:57:25] <S3> Skye: it's not recommended
L492[11:57:37] <S3> Skye: not unless you fired up a registry process
L493[11:57:50] <Skye> S3, what does that mean?
L494[11:57:56] <S3> you can do a registry loop
L495[11:57:59] <S3> for example
L496[11:58:26] <S3> lets say you need to store something
L497[11:58:35] <S3> something that's persistent
L498[11:58:43] <S3> yu can have a function somewhere that uses TCO
L499[11:58:45] <S3> and loops forever
L500[11:58:52] <S3> return its own state
L501[11:59:10] <S3> function foo(state)
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L503[11:59:21] <S3> return foo(state)
L504[11:59:22] <S3> end
L505[11:59:29] <Skye> I tried to make a little emulator thing like that
L506[11:59:30] <S3> of course it's not this easy
L507[11:59:33] <S3> and that example looks very retarded
L508[11:59:35] <Skye> it... was horrible
L509[11:59:50] <Skye> but was an interesting thing to work around
L510[12:00:16] <S3> if you do it right you can have helpers do this for you
L511[12:00:19] <Skye> S3, what if you pretended that the driver sandbox was a giant function.
L512[12:00:25] <Skye> that didn't end
L513[12:00:34] <S3> heh
L514[12:01:03] <S3> imagine that you have a driver that is just a bunch of function callbacks
L515[12:01:08] <S3> but underneath it loops with its state
L516[12:01:18] <S3> the callbacks pass the state of the driver to the function call
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L518[12:01:37] <S3> and you return the next state of the driver in those callbacks, and any return values for the callback if it's syncronous call
L519[12:01:44] <S3> that's one way to do it
L520[12:01:56] <S3> function on_keyboard_input(state, key_pressed)
L521[12:02:04] <S3> -- Do stuff
L522[12:02:07] <Skye> S3, the problem is... if the driver sandbox is agnostic, then you can't gaurentee that the programmers of drivers will care about your OS. :P
L523[12:02:08] <S3> return state
L524[12:02:08] <S3> end
L525[12:02:24] <S3> right
L526[12:02:28] <S3> well you never can anyways
L527[12:02:41] <S3> the only way I can truly enforce this is to make my own language
L528[12:02:45] <S3> which, I did think of it
L529[12:03:20] <S3> I pondered what it would be like to create a lexer using lua patterns in pure lua
L530[12:03:22] <S3> and a parser
L531[12:03:44] <S3> and just make a parse tree that compiles to Lua
L532[12:04:09] <S3> something like Selene, but even more powerful syntax wise
L533[12:04:28] <S3> btw, making your own lexer is easy
L534[12:04:56] <S3> and it's so easy that with the correct setup you can make the lexer syntax just Lua code
L535[12:05:07] <Skye> S3, well... If I ever make anything, the sandbox would be really strict.
L536[12:05:09] <S3> and read ENV or get callbacks
L537[12:05:15] <S3> heh
L538[12:05:32] <S3> a huge problem I have with Lua
L539[12:05:35] <S3> is that I dislike Lua patterns
L540[12:05:41] <S3> 'I really wish Lua had pcre
L541[12:05:54] <S3> but then it'd be larger and harder to port so I understand why they did it
L542[12:06:07] <Skye> S3, IIRC it's the size of all of Lua
L543[12:06:20] <S3> heh
L544[12:06:41] <S3> right, but I mean, Lua doesn't reallyt depend on anything
L545[12:06:47] <S3> and it even has its own hand written makefile
L546[12:06:53] <S3> so it's easy to ship code and build it anywhere
L547[12:07:04] <S3> man I should do this now
L548[12:07:09] <S3> Skye: ever used yacc or flex?
L549[12:07:13] <Skye> nope
L550[12:07:17] <Skye> wait
L551[12:07:25] <Skye> a lexer is the thing that turns an input into tokens, right
L552[12:07:29] <S3> yes!
L553[12:07:31] <Skye> if so, then I've actually made one
L554[12:07:33] <Skye> in Python
L555[12:07:37] <S3> and the parser takes toens and recursively runs code on them
L556[12:07:40] <S3> yeah
L557[12:07:41] <Skye> I got stuck at the parsing stage
L558[12:07:48] <S3> I'm thinking of making one that has its syntax in lua
L559[12:07:51] <S3> and generates lua code
L560[12:07:51] <Skye> didn't know about ASTs at the time
L561[12:08:00] <S3> all in pure lua just using lua patterns
L562[12:08:18] <S3> with it, you could easily make a shell for your OS
L563[12:08:19] <S3> or..
L564[12:08:29] <S3> in my case an entire programming language that compiles to Lua code
L565[12:09:42] <S3> I think it'd be easy to make the lexer part at least
L566[12:11:02] <S3> Skye: Elixir leex makes it super easy to understand irrelevant to if you know elixir or not
L567[12:11:06] <S3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jufIZS13/
L568[12:11:17] <dhg2> DBZ FOREVER!!!!!!!!!
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L570[12:11:23] <S3> in the lua case, I could have Lua patterns on the left and tokeniizing on the right
L571[12:11:34] <S3> here, we have pcre regex and tuples on the right
L572[12:11:44] <S3> it's just elixir code in disguise
L573[12:11:46] <Skye> I would like Lua with C like syntax
L574[12:11:55] <S3> I have thought of that in the past
L575[12:12:44] <S3> actually, this is an entire elixir lexer:
L576[12:12:52] <S3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/mqNSpugD/
L577[12:13:10] <S3> I could do it something similar to that
L578[12:13:13] <S3> bbut of course, lua code
L579[12:13:21] <S3> {} is used for tables so it wouldn't look much different
L580[12:14:01] <Skye> that's a problem
L581[12:14:20] <S3> ?
L582[12:14:41] <S3> in Lua, patterns might have to be strings
L583[12:15:08] <Skye> I mean for a C like Lua
L584[12:15:20] <Skye> would {} conflict
L585[12:15:21] <S3> ?
L586[12:15:28] <S3> oh
L587[12:15:29] <Skye> with tables and code blocks...
L588[12:15:35] <S3> well why would is
L589[12:15:52] <S3> the lexer just takes patterns and runs elixir code that returns some data structure that the lexer expects
L590[12:16:05] <S3> which then takes it and builds a token list
L591[12:16:33] <S3> however, how would you do Lua <--> c like lua interop
L592[12:16:44] <S3> if you wanted to share table data with C like lua how would you do it?
L593[12:16:54] <S3> I want to make an elixir like language, though lighter in weight
L594[12:17:09] <S3> and in my case, I can support all the datatypes of lua
L595[12:17:11] <Skye> I mean with a C like Lua, it'd just be Lua with more C like syntax
L596[12:17:12] <Skye> that's all
L597[12:17:19] <S3> right
L598[12:17:34] <Skye> function example() blah end
L599[12:17:36] <S3> I should fire up a git repo to build a lexer
L600[12:17:41] <Skye> function example() { blah }
L601[12:17:51] <S3> because I mean, a lexer could be useful for Izaya or somebody to make a full shell
L602[12:17:54] <S3> for their OS
L603[12:18:04] <S3> it really saves a lot of time hand parsing
L604[12:18:52] <S3> I wonder what the syntax could look lie
L605[12:18:54] <S3> like*
L606[12:18:57] <S3> (for the lexer)
L607[12:19:02] <Skye> S3, Izaya uses Lua as the shell
L608[12:19:06] <S3> patterns will have to be kept inside of strings
L609[12:19:24] <S3> "%d%d/%d%d/%d%d%d%d"
L610[12:19:39] <S3> yeah
L611[12:19:51] <S3> but I was just giving the example of making your own shell language for example
L612[12:20:31] <S3> I think I can make my language easier to parse if I disalllow statements
L613[12:20:34] <S3> and only have expressions
L614[12:20:40] <S3> so everything is 100% recursive
L615[12:22:44] <gamax92> 10/10 htk, you have a log file, but you don't line buffer or flush it
L616[12:23:09] <S3> heh
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L618[12:25:42] <S3> are there any Lua symbols besides _ I can make function names with?
L619[12:25:45] <S3> : definately doesn't work
L620[12:27:29] <S3> nope
L621[12:28:03] <Skye> S3, random symbols that probably won't work $ ? € ` | ¦ ¬
L622[12:28:17] <Skye> £
L623[12:28:26] <S3> I could use underscore
L624[12:28:27] <S3> though..
L625[12:28:39] <S3> YEAH!
L626[12:29:38] <S3> Okay I swore this worked in 5.2 and up:
L627[12:29:41] <S3> > function _(pattern) return function(ret) end end
L628[12:29:41] <S3> > _ "%d\n", {}
L629[12:29:52] <S3> no it doesn't but you know what does
L630[12:30:02] <S3> this does:
L631[12:30:02] <S3> > _ "%d\n" {}
L632[12:30:09] <S3> so you could have a line like,
L633[12:30:41] <S3> _ "%s\n" {"token", {blargh!}}
L634[12:30:46] <S3> for each line
L635[12:30:53] <S3> and _ would just push it onto the token list
L636[12:31:08] <Skye> %lua
L637[12:31:12] <Skye> %lua print(0)
L638[12:31:12] <MichiBot> 0
L639[12:31:26] <Skye> %lua _ = print
L640[12:31:32] <Skye> %lua _(1)
L641[12:31:32] <MichiBot> 1
L642[12:31:40] <Skye> %lua _ "test"
L643[12:31:40] <MichiBot> test
L644[12:31:45] <Skye> %lua _ {}
L645[12:31:45] <MichiBot> table: 0x7fc620002bb0
L646[12:31:49] <Skye> %lua _ "test",{}
L647[12:31:49] <MichiBot> test | nil, table: 0x7fc5f0004370
L648[12:31:59] <Skye> %lua _ "This seems to work, S3", {}
L649[12:31:59] <MichiBot> This seems to work, S3 | nil, table: 0x7fc6200041e0
L650[12:32:18] <Skye> %lua _(_VERSION)
L651[12:32:19] <MichiBot> Lua 5.2
L652[12:32:22] <S3> do you think _ "pattern" {tokenstuff} is better
L653[12:32:28] <S3> or _ "pattern", {tokenstuff}
L654[12:32:38] <S3> _ just means "push to token list"
L655[12:32:53] <Skye> %lua _ "does this work" {}
L656[12:32:53] <MichiBot> does this work | main:1: attempt to call a nil value
L657[12:33:02] <Skye> uh...
L658[12:33:05] <S3> you have to do an inline function
L659[12:33:28] <Skye> what do you mean
L660[12:33:52] <S3> %lua _ = function(pattern) return function(tokens) end end
L661[12:33:55] <S3> now it would work
L662[12:34:20] <S3> the way this works, is that if you only have one argument to your functon you don't need parenthesis
L663[12:34:23] <S3> and this is recursive
L664[12:34:26] <Skye> %lua _ = function(pattern) return function(tokens) end end
L665[12:34:29] <S3> so if you return a function that takes the next parameter..
L666[12:34:37] <Skye> %lua _ "test" {}
L667[12:34:39] <Skye> wait
L668[12:34:41] <S3> then you can have two args with no comma
L669[12:34:41] <Skye> argh!
L670[12:34:54] <S3> it's useful for making config file syntax :D
L671[12:34:56] <gamax92> mmmmmh ....
L672[12:34:57] <Skye> %lua _ = function(pattern) return function(tokens) print(pattern, tokens) end end
L673[12:35:01] <Skye> %lua _ "test" {}
L674[12:35:01] <MichiBot> test, table: 0x7fc5ec001f20
L675[12:35:04] <gamax92> I accidentally crashed the test program.
L676[12:35:10] <S3> heh
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L678[12:35:24] <S3> neat eh
L679[12:35:32] <S3> #luaabuse
L680[12:35:32] <gamax92> so I have to go through the retraining, that took an hour and a half
L681[12:35:40] <gamax92> ffs
L682[12:36:12] <S3> Skye: think, or no comma is better?
L683[12:36:27] <S3> I wish we could use something other than _
L684[12:36:29] <S3> like :
L685[12:36:39] <S3> because then you could do
L686[12:36:47] <S3> "pattern" : {blargh}
L687[12:37:09] <S3> and just iterate every line of the file as a function instead of one lua script
L688[12:37:26] <gamax92> S3: enaughlbuerlb
L689[12:37:33] <S3> I have a better idea!
L690[12:37:39] <S3> gamax92: hey
L691[12:38:02] <S3> Skye: rule "pattern", {tokens} (or: rule "pattern" {tokens})
L692[12:41:49] <Skye> S3, neat
L693[12:43:06] <gamax92> these tools are not multi threaded and only take up a single core
L694[12:44:59] <S3> Skye: hows this look?
L695[12:45:03] <S3> rule '%d%d' {'token', {'number', token_value}}
L696[12:45:03] <S3> Pattern: "%d%d", Tokens: { [1] = token,[2] = { [1] = number,} ,}
L697[12:45:28] <S3> in this case, token_value is a function that returns the value of the line when parsing
L698[12:45:32] <S3> tokenizing*
L699[12:45:34] <Skye> I don't understand a thing! :D
L700[12:45:40] <S3> oh..
L701[12:46:02] <S3> what don't you understand?
L702[12:47:19] <Skye> it just goes over my head, and I'm a bit distracted
L703[12:47:59] <S3> lol
L704[12:48:40] <Laine_prikol> ТАК
L705[12:51:21] <DISCORD_ZOND> чё это такое
L706[12:53:16] <DISCORD_ZOND> хрень сервак фингеркомп не отвечает
L707[13:07:31] <gamax92> S3: "Does anyone know how I can hide/get rid of those scratches?" "Probably not the answer you want but the only way to fix that is to carefully scratch up the rest like it was the intended design."
L708[13:07:50] <S3> ......
L709[13:08:25] <Temia> So... brushed metal? :o
L710[13:09:22] <gamax92> brushed metal cooking pot
L711[13:22:58] <S3> Skye: does this make more sense?
L712[13:23:01] <S3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Rdf8WEJ6/
L713[13:23:32] <S3> it's a parser syntax that grabs dates, numbers, and atoms out of a string
L714[13:23:52] * Skye shrugs
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L718[13:24:11] <S3> basically
L719[13:24:23] <S3> you define what everything in your language looks like using patterns
L720[13:24:29] <S3> here I assign pattersn to variables to make it cleaner
L721[13:24:44] <S3> and then I call the rule() function to define how to process the tokens
L722[13:25:02] <S3> it's -just- lua code.
L723[13:26:51] <MalkContent> sidequestion, regex in lua had some limitations, right?
L724[13:28:07] <gamax92> yeah, it doesn't exist and lua instead has patterns
L725[13:29:04] <Skye> regex is basically the size of Lua
L726[13:29:10] <Skye> so... they considered it bloat
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L728[13:32:06] <MalkContent> gotta read up on that again
L729[13:33:02] <gamax92> there are so many differences between regex and lua patterns that it's basically a good idea to not consider patterns related to regex or as if they were some subset of regex.
L730[13:50:35] <Dustpuppy> gamax92: why is your tar not anymore on github?
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L732[13:56:22] * Saphire brushes Temia
L733[13:57:22] * Temia earperks! leans and tailswishes. =w=
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L735[14:00:06] <S3> ROL
L736[14:00:08] <S3> ROFL*
L737[14:00:18] <S3> I left a 60 pound bag of concrete out in the rain last week
L738[14:00:47] <S3> good thing it's < $6
L739[14:01:32] <Dustpuppy> now you have square stone
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L743[14:43:54] <BobbyTables2012> hi
L744[14:54:54] <Dustpuppy> hi
L745[14:55:04] <BobbyTables2012> hi
L746[14:55:51] <Temia> Hi
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L748[15:04:53] <Temia> Bye :V
L749[15:14:18] <gamax92> mmmmmmh....
L750[15:14:30] <gamax92> This has openmp support, but is not enabled by default
L751[15:15:05] <Dustpuppy> also on your github i can't find it
L752[15:15:09] <Dustpuppy> or i am blind
L753[15:16:45] <gamax92> Dustpuppy: my tar has been depreciated in favor for mpmxyz's tar
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L755[15:17:04] <gamax92> installing tar will simply just pull in mpm.tar
L756[15:17:08] <Dustpuppy> ah...ok. i am using this now too :-)
L757[15:17:44] <Dustpuppy> i am not installing it. using it for my install routine for the window manager
L758[15:18:34] <gamax92> just make your wm depend on mpm.tar
L759[15:18:45] <gamax92> instead of duplicating it
L760[15:19:13] <Dustpuppy> i am not using git hub. my archive is on my own server
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L762[15:20:13] <Dustpuppy> what ever. just finished...(i hope)...think i will publish it now
L763[15:26:34] <gamax92> are you fucking serious, this thing, where performance is absolutely important, compiles with no optimization enabled
L764[15:31:32] <S3> lol
L765[15:31:48] <S3> optimization is dumb anyways
L766[15:32:01] <S3> it can cause unwanted issues
L767[15:32:11] <S3> sometimes of which are unavoidable
L768[15:35:27] <Skye> there are two types of code
L769[15:36:04] <Skye> code that is more high level and theoretical that can be optimised because as long as the end result is the same, there's no problem
L770[15:36:17] <Skye> then there's code that is low level and touches low level things like hardware.
L771[15:36:23] <Skye> which is a bad idea to optimise
L772[15:37:21] <S3> Skye: sometimes no matter what level you're at, how it gets there is important
L773[15:37:45] <S3> but then again sometimes it's not
L774[15:37:52] <gamax92> make sure you mark your volatile when necessary
L775[15:40:50] <Skye> C is a horrible language to optimise
L776[15:41:12] <Forecaster> wb in oc is w+ in Lua right?
L777[15:41:25] <Forecaster> or what's "replace existing data"?
L778[15:42:21] <Skye> S3, well... ideally it shouldn't matter. at least for most of what we waste the processing power of computers on
L779[15:42:53] <S3> you know
L780[15:42:55] <Dustpuppy> i think, w will replace. to append you use a
L781[15:43:11] <S3> part of our giant waste is only part of the languages we use
L782[15:43:15] <S3> or the optimizations we have
L783[15:43:49] <S3> cpu architectures such as the x86 family of microprocessors have been bloating more and more way too long..
L784[15:44:03] <S3> and cutting corners
L785[15:45:11] <gamax92> Forecaster: wb in oc is wb in lua because oc is supposed to mimic standard lua
L786[15:47:02] <S3> I always thought the whole concept of w , r, b, etc was retarded
L787[15:47:16] <S3> and I'm glad some languages don't even have it
L788[15:48:54] <Forecaster> lua doesn't have wb from what I can see
L789[15:49:06] <Forecaster> I wish the oc wiki would just say what they do :I
L790[15:49:17] <S3> update it
L791[15:49:21] <S3> when you find out
L792[15:49:29] <S3> the oc wiki lacks a lot of stuff
L793[15:49:48] <Forecaster> If I knew what they did I would.
L794[15:49:57] <S3> it's only annoying because I only come accross them periodically then forget about it XD
L795[15:51:33] <MajGenRelativity> Sup S3
L796[15:51:42] <S3> Not much
L797[15:51:49] <MajGenRelativity> Cool cool
L798[15:52:12] <gamax92> confusing ... there are definitely references to "wb", but the manual doesn't list it
L799[15:53:10] <gamax92> Forecaster: io.open just passes the string directly to fopen so yes, wb is a thing
L800[15:53:37] <Forecaster> huh
L801[15:53:37] <S3> then it just means write in binary mode
L802[15:53:41] <Forecaster> ah
L803[15:53:46] <Forecaster> so w is what I want
L804[15:54:01] <S3> binary mode probably just means that it doesn't use UTF-8 or any other encoding and does it char by char
L805[15:54:10] <S3> ignoring multi character symbols
L806[15:54:40] <S3> in Elixir, you don't have file modes like that, but you have different functions for handling that
L807[15:54:55] <S3> for example, you just do File.open("foobar")
L808[15:55:03] <S3> but there.s IO.read, and also IO.binread
L809[15:55:34] <S3> and that's exactly the difference, read() handles input based on the current charset
L810[15:55:52] <S3> and binread is just plain octets
L811[15:56:08] <gamax92> oc implements r/w vs rb/wb by the first passing text through the unicode api and the latter passing text through the string api
L812[15:56:25] <gamax92> the first will definitely mangle binary data while the latter doesn't
L813[15:56:52] <S3> yeah
L814[15:57:14] <S3> there's a confising part of this though
L815[15:57:32] <S3> didn't QuickBasic have a binary mode too? and that I don't think had much to do with the current charset..
L816[15:57:55] <S3> I am pretty sure that was specific to something else
L817[15:58:10] <gamax92> as far as fopen goes, iirc linux ignores it and always just uses binary mode, while in windows it tells it to not do line ending conversion
L818[15:58:47] <S3> ohh
L819[15:58:52] <S3> that may be related to my wonder
L820[15:59:08] <S3> that behavior could have been in Windows throughout MS-DOS
L821[15:59:12] <gamax92> "The mode string can also include the letter 'b' either as a last character or as a character between the characters in any of the two- character strings described above. This is strictly for compatibility with C89 and has no effect; the 'b' is ignored on all POSIX conforming systems, including Linux."
L822[15:59:43] <S3> funny thing is
L823[15:59:55] <S3> in Elixir I had a bug the other day reading a gamecube ISO image
L824[16:00:08] <S3> and it was because I was using .read() and it was picking up "some" characters as multi byte
L825[16:00:26] <S3> soon as I renamed it to .binread() it worked perfectly lol
L826[16:00:35] <S3> I was doing read(32) and getting 34 characters XD
L827[16:02:05] <S3> so some languages may have their own implementation of how they handle files
L828[16:02:13] <Skye> itsn't the b thing to do with newlines
L829[16:02:26] <S3> Skye: not in Perl
L830[16:02:32] <S3> last I checked
L831[16:02:49] <Skye> well in Lua
L832[16:02:54] <S3> maybe with Lua
L833[16:03:04] <S3> but lua supports unicode
L834[16:03:17] <S3> so I wouldn't be surprised if it just had to do with charset dependency
L835[16:03:34] <S3> don't use b and do a 4 character read and you could get 8 bytes
L836[16:03:36] <S3> but 4 chars
L837[16:03:52] <S3> in Perl the newline is handled by the / variable
L838[16:04:09] <S3> however this is only passed to readline operations
L839[16:04:22] <Forecaster> huh
L840[16:04:27] <S3> if I do $/ = undef then if I read a line from the file the entire file reads
L841[16:04:32] <S3> kind of like Lua's all
L842[16:04:32] <Forecaster> so I can only paste 255 lines it seems
L843[16:04:37] <Forecaster> good to know
L844[16:05:03] <S3> I want to make a text editor for OC
L845[16:05:12] <S3> I think how I will do it is that I won't
L846[16:05:20] <S3> and instead I'll write a very powerful line editor
L847[16:05:29] <S3> and then just make a text editor that uses the line editor as a library and stores a buffer
L848[16:05:40] <Skye> S3, no... Lua doesn't mess with characters
L849[16:05:47] <Skye> Lua is dumb with strings
L850[16:05:55] <gamax92> S3: Lua supports unicode in the way that it doesn't mess with it, it just sees data
L851[16:05:58] <Skye> it treats them all as... a bunch of bites
L852[16:06:01] <Skye> bytes
L853[16:06:02] <Skye> nom
L854[16:06:15] <S3> lol
L855[16:06:21] <Skye> that's why OC needed the Unicode library before 5.3 added utf8
L856[16:06:30] <S3> ?
L857[16:07:30] <Skye> S3, OC has a custom unicode library doing some things (implemented in Scala using the standard library).
L858[16:07:37] <Skye> Lua 5.3 adds a utf8 library
L859[16:07:41] <gamax92> ~w unicode
L860[16:07:41] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:unicode
L861[16:07:43] <gamax92> ~w utf8
L862[16:07:43] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/api:buffer ( I tried D: )
L863[16:07:51] <gamax92> right, ocdoc looks at the 5.2 manual
L864[16:08:12] <gamax92> https://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/manual.html#6.5
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L866[16:24:26] <MajGenRelativity> ~w process
L867[16:24:27] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:process
L868[16:24:31] <Inari> Hm
L869[16:24:41] <Inari> I need a way to make water taste good, that isn't as much pain as making tea
L870[16:24:46] <Inari> Then again I could try instant tea
L871[16:28:27] <Forecaster> I have soda with my water
L872[16:29:18] <Inari> Soda has so many calories though :<
L873[16:29:29] <Forecaster> that it does
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L875[16:29:43] <Inari> Currently I have juice mixed with water
L876[16:29:46] <Inari> But thats also too many calories
L877[16:29:58] <interesting_233> Hi
L878[16:30:07] <Forecaster> %hello
L879[16:30:07] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L880[16:30:13] <gamax92> uhh okay then, the program I got via apt-get doesn't work but the one i compiled myself does work
L881[16:30:14] <Inari> Tea tastes good and doesn't have many
L882[16:30:17] <Inari> But it's a pain to keep making it
L883[16:30:29] <Inari> And on hot days I prefer something cold :D
L884[16:30:40] <Forecaster> make lots of tea then cool it
L885[16:30:42] <Forecaster> have ice tea
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L887[16:30:51] <Inari> Yeah but thats a pain and you need to do it in advance
L888[16:31:07] <Inari> interesting_233 wasn't very interesting
L889[16:31:08] <Forecaster> well yeah
L890[16:31:18] <Forecaster> but you can do a bunch at once and then store it
L891[16:31:22] <Forecaster> unlike hot tea
L892[16:31:58] <Inari> I'm not sure icetea even tastes that good if you don't sugar it
L893[16:32:07] <gamax92> I don't sugar mine and it tastes good
L894[16:32:12] <Inari> Hm
L895[16:32:14] <Inari> might have to try :P
L896[16:32:26] <Inari> How does it taste if you heat it back up? xD
L897[16:32:26] <Forecaster> I don't even like tea
L898[16:37:11] <Vindex> I just make 2 litres of tea
L899[16:37:25] <Vindex> and then drink it whatever the temperature
L900[16:38:09] <Vindex> sometimes it's even hot
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L903[17:00:49] <gamax92> :D the voice works and well ... sounds exactly as bad as the official voice of this data :P
L904[17:01:24] <Dustpuppy> does anyone know a good server for mc 1.70.10 ?
L905[17:01:33] <Inari> 1.70.10?
L906[17:01:36] <Inari> Haven't heard of it
L907[17:01:39] <Dustpuppy> 1.7.10
L908[17:01:42] <Dustpuppy> grrrrrrrr
L909[17:02:04] <Inari> ;D
L910[17:03:37] <gamax92> ;3
L911[17:09:42] <Inari> Dustpuppy: Have you considered using a second gpu to draw quicker
L912[17:09:48] <Inari> On a second computer
L913[17:10:22] <Dustpuppy> i am thinking about. using 2 gpus. would be a chalange
L914[17:11:43] <Dustpuppy> can u gpu.copy from one gpu to another?
L915[17:14:29] <Inari> No
L916[17:14:41] <Inari> Presumably they migth be able to draw to the same screen at the same tim ethough
L917[17:14:44] <Inari> At least if you use two pcs
L918[17:23:33] <xPucTu4> btw, how to prevent few computers connected on the same cable to print to different screens
L919[17:24:41] <xPucTu4> somehow to tell the pc which screen is his and which keyboard
L920[17:29:17] <Dustpuppy> use a switch
L921[17:30:05] <xPucTu4> so every pc is behind switch?
L922[17:40:59] <Forecaster> Relay
L923[17:41:14] <Forecaster> Is what the block is called now
L924[17:42:01] <Forecaster> And yes, if you only want network messages to get through and not components that's what you use
L925[17:55:29] <AmandaC> Just finished psycho pass 2
L926[17:55:51] <AmandaC> I now have more Feelings™
L927[17:56:27] <AmandaC> I should focus on bubbly happy anime for a bit I think
L928[17:57:10] <AmandaC> Gits then psycopass, my hue is liable to become less clear
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L931[18:10:28] zsh sets mode: +v on XDjackieXD
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L933[18:14:06] <AmandaC> %choose watch or play or listen
L934[18:14:07] <MichiBot> AmandaC: watch
L935[18:21:12] <AshIndigo> %choose jump and probably die or nah
L936[18:21:13] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: nah
L937[18:33:31] <AmandaC> %choose tv or laptop
L938[18:33:32] <MichiBot> AmandaC: tv
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L940[18:42:12] <logan2611> %choose pc or console
L941[18:42:13] <MichiBot> logan2611: console
L942[18:42:16] <logan2611> :0
L943[18:44:48] <Izaya> ~w component
L944[18:44:48] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component
L945[18:45:18] <CompanionCube> Izaya: why not just bookmark the URLs
L946[18:45:36] <Izaya> don't really use bookmarks
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L949[19:04:08] <S3> I create bookmarks; I don't use them
L950[19:04:17] <S3> by the time I try, they are all 404
L951[19:14:55] <AshIndigo> I just hoard tabs
L952[19:15:01] <AshIndigo> It works well enough
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L954[19:18:39] <S3> WHAT THE
L955[19:19:13] <Vexatos> But that is so messy
L956[19:19:25] <Vexatos> unless I am doing research, I never have more than five tabs open at once :I
L957[19:19:37] <S3> Vexatos: you know what's fucking messy, and funny as shit (LITERALLY)
L958[19:19:48] <S3> article in the nearby town paper today
L959[19:19:49] <S3> https://bangordailynews.com/2017/07/28/news/york/old-orchard-beach-residents-complain-tourists-are-pooping-all-over-the-place/
L960[19:20:04] <Vexatos> shitty news :I
L961[19:20:08] <S3> ahaha
L962[19:20:23] <S3> This is why I go there in like october
L963[19:20:27] <S3> when it's like 40 degrees out
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L965[19:20:31] <S3> and nobody else is there
L966[19:21:11] <Izaya> Vexatos: I often get to 100 times that
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L968[19:29:51] <Vexatos> This video is so cool :I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp12c3-IL-I
L969[19:29:52] <MichiBot> The Spherical Droste Effect, with added twist and recursion. | length: 7m 2s | Likes: 6,954 Dislikes: 30 Views: 150,469 | by standupmaths | Published On 28/6/2016
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L971[19:46:46] <S3> wow that video is amazing
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L973[19:58:25] <S3> man that is the freakiest os design for OC ever
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L975[20:40:31] <OneM_Industries> Hello! Is there an easy way to wipe a HDD in OC?
L976[20:43:45] <OneM_Industries> I'm asking because I'm trying to reinstall OpenOS, and it isn't cooperating.
L977[20:45:30] <Izaya> shift-rightclick while holding it twice
L978[20:47:18] <OneM_Industries> That isn't doing anything.
L979[20:50:43] <OneM_Industries> I'm on 1.7.10, if it makes a difference.
L980[20:52:18] <OneM_Industries> Ah, no shift.
L981[20:53:15] <OneM_Industries> Hunh.
L982[20:55:55] <OneM_Industries> Izaya: I've tried right clicking with and without shifting, and it's not erasing the drive.
L983[20:56:06] <Mimiru> do you have sneak bound to something else?
L984[20:56:12] <OneM_Industries> No.
L985[20:56:21] <Mimiru> sneak click should switch the drive to "managed mode"
L986[20:56:38] <OneM_Industries> It's already on managed mode.
L987[20:56:38] <Mimiru> err
L988[20:56:41] <Mimiru> unmanaged mode*
L989[20:56:57] <OneM_Industries> Ok.
L990[20:57:10] <Mimiru> switching again will go back to managed
L991[20:57:21] <OneM_Industries> Ok.
L992[20:57:58] <OneM_Industries> Still has everything on it.
L993[20:58:13] <OneM_Industries> Should I give up and make a new drive?
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L996[21:11:22] <Izaya> OneM_Industries: why not just rm -r on it?
L997[21:19:04] <gamax92> damn, a unit selection voice sounds a lot better than the hidden markov model voice synthesis
L998[21:19:11] <gamax92> a lot faster too
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L1000[21:21:17] <gamax92> hmm, it does pretty poorly on words that aren't in it's training data, but it sounds a hell of a lot better, so I'm just going to go feed more and more data into it
L1001[21:23:07] <gamax92> I can't tell wtf is wrong with marytts but it keep locking up in the middle of saying words
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L1003[21:24:14] <OneM_Industries> Izaya: Did that.
L1004[21:24:21] <OneM_Industries> It's still complaining.
L1005[21:25:31] <Izaya> OneM_Industries: from the live floppy?
L1006[21:25:37] <OneM_Industries> Yes.
L1007[21:26:03] <Izaya> wat.
L1008[21:26:14] <Izaya> https://github.com/XeonSquared/PsychOS/blob/master/docs/api.md \o/
L1009[21:31:16] <Izaya> I should, in theory, be able to assemble the system from on the system now
L1010[21:32:37] <OneM_Industries> The problem I'm getting is, every time I try running install, I get "cp: cannot write a directory, "/mnt/4b6" into itself, "/mnt/4b6"
L1011[21:40:37] <Izaya> you're booting from it
L1012[21:41:03] <Izaya> remove the HDD, put in the floppy, start it up, put it back in and try again
L1013[22:10:54] <OneM_Industries> Did that.
L1014[22:17:20] <OneM_Industries> That error is with me having done that.
L1015[22:18:17] <Izaya> any arguments to install?
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L1017[22:25:33] <gamax92> "The output directory, under HTKLabeler settings HTKLabeler.outputLabDir should correspond with db.LabDir under Global Settings."
L1018[22:25:46] <gamax92> Why can't you just set these two to the same thing by default and how did this work before
L1019[22:29:33] <gamax92> I guess it was using the lab files from the EHMMLabeler
L1020[22:30:45] <OneM_Industries> Izaya: Nope, no arguments.
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