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L20[04:19:11] <Keridos> Managed to find the bug
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L29[06:06:55] <Inari> https://www.freelancejunior.de/meetups/mailpass-checking-software this doesn't sound sketchy at all /s
L30[06:12:16] <AshIndigo> Not at all!
L31[06:19:01] <AshIndigo> https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/6nudqm/why_usernames_matter/ @MGR
L32[06:19:16] <MGR> What?
L33[06:20:02] * AshIndigo shrugs
L34[06:20:13] <AshIndigo> You post these at random
L35[06:21:21] <MGR> This is true
L36[06:21:24] <MGR> And it was a funny story
L37[06:21:29] <Corded> * <MGR> hands out badge of approval
L38[06:21:38] <MGR> I was just wondering why I got @'d
L39[06:24:13] * AshIndigo adds the badge to his inventory
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L43[06:47:06] <LuMistry> Greetings
L44[07:32:05] <MGR> "$ADMIN: If I delete all 60 slides I can’t put them back in the right order. I guess just forget it, it will have to be blurry, I pulled that on out so send it back to me and cancel the request I guess. $ME: Send it back? What fresh hell is this?"
L45[07:32:15] <MGR> AshIndigo, ^
L46[07:37:05] <MGR> http://27bslash6.com/overdue.html
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L48[08:41:30] <AshIndigo> That quote feels like its 2 different parts of a conversation mixed together
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L53[10:30:29] <KarMagick> Hello there! How would one see the irc's server address so I can connect to it from within oc? I very rarely use irc's ;-;
L54[10:32:12] <g> This is irc.esper.net
L55[10:33:11] <KarMagick> Heh, how do i do this
L56[10:33:45] <KarMagick> Ah figured it out, thanks ^^
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L59[10:38:50] <KarMagiick> Alright now that I can see the irc and be in game at the same time, can someone tell me how I connect my mfsu to a computer? I couldn't find much about it, and the adapter doesn't seem to be working for me, I'm on 1.10.2
L60[10:41:50] <AshIndigo> It doesn't appear under components?
L61[10:42:36] <KarMagiick> I'll check, one sec brb (couldnt afford a second computer so it'll disconnect me lol, brb)
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L64[10:43:44] <KarMagiick> ALright so yup, it does indeed show on components
L65[10:44:01] <KarMagiick> I don't know what I'm doing wrong then huh
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L67[10:46:34] <Skye> payonel, when will OC get proper multitasking? >:P
L68[10:46:36] <Skye> Well
L69[10:46:42] <Skye> OpenOS
L70[10:48:53] <AshIndigo> ~w thread
L71[10:48:53] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:thread
L72[10:49:34] <AshIndigo> Isn't this multitasking?
L73[10:49:57] <KarMagick> Do I need some specific component other than the adapter to read from an mfsu?
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L76[10:58:23] <Inari> Skye: define proper
L77[10:58:26] <Izaya> Skye: when you run OpenOS under MultICE
L78[10:58:38] <Izaya> :^)
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L80[10:59:27] <Izaya> ... I have a nosebleed. goddamn. Vomiting yesterday, now I'm bleeding out of my face?
L81[10:59:31] <Izaya> fuck this shit
L82[11:00:53] <KarMagiick> thats a hardcore way of putting it
L83[11:01:10] <Izaya> \o/ it's fitting
L84[11:01:37] <Izaya> I should probably go to bed
L85[11:01:48] <Skye> I had nosebleeds when stressed
L86[11:02:33] <Izaya> 'stressed'
L87[11:03:09] <Izaya> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Nosebleed
L88[11:03:14] <Izaya> I'm sure
L89[11:03:36] <Skye> No seriously it was when I was worried about exams.
L90[11:04:43] <AmandaC> Nose bleeds are both convinent and inconvient when you're the 5th generation, most powerful, vampire in the world and you're being stalked by a highschool girl to monitor you
L91[11:05:12] <Skye> Wat.
L92[11:05:19] <Inari> Up till that latter part if sounded like a certain anime
L93[11:05:57] <KarMagiick> > 5th gen
L94[11:05:59] <KarMagiick> > most powerful
L95[11:06:01] <KarMagiick> pick one
L96[11:06:10] <Inari> Hm?
L97[11:16:30] <AmandaC> Inari: It's bassed off my memory of an anime, so that makes sense. :P
L98[11:16:57] <KarMagiick> Which one? :3
L99[11:17:06] <AmandaC> I forget it's name! :D
L100[11:17:10] <KarMagiick> D:
L101[11:17:39] <Inari> Haha
L102[11:17:42] <KarMagiick> Generation system I know is from World of Darkness (not an anime :P)
L103[11:17:59] <Inari> Well to me it sounded like Karin in the first part
L104[11:18:00] <AmandaC> 5th gen might be wrong, it was 5-something though
L105[11:18:13] <AmandaC> It was set on a large artifical island
L106[11:18:20] <KarMagiick> Well, the lower the gen the stronger from the system i know
L107[11:18:40] <KarMagiick> (imma big vampire nerd)
L108[11:19:20] <AmandaC> "Strike the Blood" it seems
L109[11:19:41] * AmandaC googled "anime set on an artifical island with the vampire who doesn't want to drink blood" and that's the first result, the wikipedia entry rings some bells
L110[11:20:41] * AmandaC wonders why her head's so foggy all the sudden
L111[11:20:47] <MGR> http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-cpu-liquid-coolers-10-august-launch/
L112[11:20:52] <MGR> Threadripper socket is massive
L113[11:22:52] <KarMagick> I might watch this, im not really into anime but maybe this is the start of something :O
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L116[11:35:34] <LuMistry> Greetings
L117[11:36:44] <AshIndigo> Howdy
L118[11:37:44] <LuMistry> How are you AshIndigo?
L119[11:38:07] <AshIndigo> Pretty good you?
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L121[11:41:26] <LuMistry> I am well
L122[11:41:46] <CompanionCube> LuMistry: beep?
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L124[11:41:58] <LuMistry> CompanionCube, what?
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L126[11:42:29] <CompanionCube> so, what have you been up to recently
L127[11:42:50] <LuMistry> Not much
L128[11:47:16] <gamax92> much fun. MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE causes programs to segfault and MESA_EXTENSION_OVERRIDE isn't actually hiding any extensions
L129[11:52:23] <MGR> ... I just painstakingly taped a bag of candy back together
L130[11:52:32] <AshIndigo> %p
L131[11:52:34] <MichiBot> Ping reply from AshIndigo 0.25s
L132[11:52:43] <Forecaster> why would you even make a bag out of candy
L133[11:52:55] <MGR> Because I don't want it to go stale, and I also don't want to 800 grams of candy at once
L134[11:53:06] <MGR> to eat 800 grams*
L135[11:53:16] <MGR> Forecaster, it was a bag holding the candy
L136[11:53:19] <Forecaster> you misread my statement :P
L137[11:53:25] <MGR> With a zipper
L138[11:53:35] <MGR> Not a bag made of candy
L139[11:53:35] * AshIndigo eats a part of the bag
L140[11:53:39] <Forecaster> although I suppose it was fair since I deliberately misread yours :D
L141[11:53:45] <Forecaster> wait
L142[11:53:47] <Forecaster> zipper
L143[11:53:57] <Forecaster> oh, you mean a ziplock?
L144[11:54:02] <MGR> No
L145[11:54:17] <MGR> Well, effectively yes, but it was the bag the candy came in from the store
L146[11:54:37] <MGR> I tore on the indicated line, and it self destructed, nullifying the ziplocking
L147[11:54:49] <Forecaster> yes, that type of seal is called a ziplock as far as I'm aware
L148[11:55:01] <Forecaster> hence "ziplock bags"
L149[11:55:01] <MGR> So I taped it back together, and taped the zipper back to the packaging, and now it's goodish as newish
L150[11:55:10] <MGR> I thought Ziplock was the brand?
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L152[11:55:23] <Forecaster> maybe it is... I'm not sure
L153[11:55:30] <Forecaster> what's the tech called then...
L154[11:56:05] <Forecaster> oh
L155[11:56:12] <Forecaster> the brand is "Ziploc"
L156[11:56:18] <Forecaster> ziplock is the tech
L157[11:56:26] <MGR> Ahhhhhhhhhh
L158[11:56:41] <Forecaster> :P
L159[11:56:44] <Corded> * <MGR> tries to figure out where to hide his giant bag of candy from coworkers
L160[11:57:22] <AshIndigo> Put it in your desktops case
L161[11:58:09] <MGR> Nah
L162[11:58:22] <MGR> It probably won't fit well, and work would be upset if I broke something
L163[11:58:33] <MGR> I hid it behind the case
L164[11:58:47] <AshIndigo> Anything can fit if your brave enough!
L165[11:59:33] <Forecaster> what if your brave has run away?
L166[11:59:57] <AshIndigo> Use your courage to go after it
L167[12:02:24] <MGR> AshIndigo, yes, but will my computer still work afterwards?
L168[12:02:55] <AshIndigo> It might get energetic from the sugar
L169[12:03:06] <AshIndigo> But I'm pretty sure it would still do its job
L170[12:03:07] <MGR> Also, it's not even my computer
L171[12:03:12] <MGR> I'd rather keep my job
L172[12:12:46] <MGR> Meanwhile, Intel has entered panic mode
L173[12:14:29] <AshIndigo> Why?
L174[12:18:34] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFCH42iXoAA_m2n.jpg:large
L175[12:24:37] <Inari> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/105319361538981888/336921198279786496/unknown.png
L176[12:24:45] <Inari> "My name is cow" *eyes Temia*
L177[12:24:57] * Temia mu? ' u'
L178[12:25:11] <Inari> That discord link :P
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L181[12:47:36] <MGR> AshIndigo, Intel is in panic mode because AMD has made actually good CPUs
L182[12:49:23] <KarMagiick> thats a good thing tho innit
L183[12:49:37] <AshIndigo> Not for intel
L184[12:49:51] <KarMagiick> For us it is
L185[12:50:14] <MGR> KarMagiick, for us, it is a very good thing
L186[12:50:21] <MGR> But Intel is not so happy
L187[12:50:22] <KarMagiick> AMD makes something good, intel freaks out, intel devs something better, gaming evolves :D
L188[12:50:22] <AshIndigo> We arent intel though
L189[12:50:32] <AshIndigo> Were the costumers
L190[12:50:40] <MGR> AshIndigo, I thought you were Intel!
L191[12:50:44] <Forecaster> Wereconsumers?!
L192[12:50:48] <KarMagiick> YOURE NOT INTEL???
L193[12:50:48] * Forecaster takes out the silver bullets
L194[12:50:49] <MGR> The entire company was you
L195[12:50:58] * AshIndigo runs from fore
L196[12:51:31] <MGR> KarMagiick, side point, gaming isn't the only use for CPUs
L197[12:51:45] <KarMagiick> I know that but thats what I use mine for \o/
L198[12:51:52] <MGR> Same, mostly
L199[12:52:00] <KarMagiick> Rendering too, rarely
L200[12:52:02] <MGR> I just wanted to say it
L201[12:52:43] * AshIndigo notices that kar and corded have the same color
L202[12:53:10] <KarMagiick> What do you mean same color?
L203[12:53:25] <AmandaC> Oh, sonic is going into consumerism now huh
L204[12:53:52] <AshIndigo> The color for your name
L205[12:54:09] <KarMagiick> Heh, I'm on the irc client I got from oppm there's no colors ;-;
L206[12:54:41] * AshIndigo wishes that he could see real names again
L207[12:55:51] <AmandaC> AshIndigo: so enable it?
L208[12:56:33] <AshIndigo> I don't know where to enable them :/
L209[12:57:22] <AmandaC> Section C subparagraph 34: Meow
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L211[12:58:11] <AmandaC> I'm very tired
L212[12:58:13] <AshIndigo> Ah
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L214[12:58:35] <Forecaster> real names?
L215[12:58:52] <AshIndigo> Ya
L216[12:58:55] <AmandaC> Like Martian
L217[12:59:02] <AmandaC> -a
L218[13:00:00] <Forecaster> oh
L219[13:00:06] <Forecaster> why do you want that
L220[13:00:25] <Inari> Vexatos: Is ther some kind mathematical or other symbol for "ultra"
L221[13:00:31] <AshIndigo> Its weird to not see them
L222[13:00:38] <AshIndigo> Right now it only shows mine
L223[13:00:47] <Vexatos> what do you mean, Inari >_>
L224[13:01:19] <Inari> Like how "+" means "plus" and ∑ means sujm
L225[13:01:23] <Inari> *sum
L226[13:01:52] <MGR> I kinda want to try for "longest monologue" in oc stats, but I feel like people would look down on that...
L227[13:01:55] <Inari> or its meaning... "extremely"?
L228[13:02:16] <AshIndigo> Fight me mgr
L229[13:02:19] <MGR> Ultra means beyond
L230[13:02:38] <Inari> Or that :P
L231[13:02:40] <Inari> Thats one meaning too
L232[13:02:41] <MGR> AshIndigo, what?
L233[13:02:47] <MGR> It's the original meaning
L234[13:02:49] <MGR> From Latin
L235[13:02:58] <Inari> It doesn't matter if its the orignal :P
L236[13:03:36] * AshIndigo mildly wants to compete for something pointless
L237[13:03:42] * AshIndigo also wants a phone charger
L238[13:03:45] <MGR> Ah
L239[13:03:47] <Forecaster> roll dice
L240[13:03:52] <MGR> %roll 1d6
L241[13:03:53] <MichiBot> MGR: [6]
L242[13:04:02] <MGR> %roll 3d20
L243[13:04:02] <MichiBot> MGR: [6, 8, 7] = 21
L244[13:04:03] <Forecaster> MMGR?
L245[13:04:06] <Forecaster> xD
L246[13:04:13] <MGR> ?
L247[13:04:18] <AshIndigo> %roll 3d21
L248[13:04:19] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: [6, 5, 7] = 18
L249[13:04:35] <AshIndigo> That worked out almost perfectly
L250[13:04:57] <AshIndigo> It it had just been 5,6,7
L251[13:05:06] <MGR> Lol
L252[13:05:17] <Forecaster> http://tinyurl.com/y9nznego
L253[13:05:19] <MGR> Lol
L254[13:05:25] <MGR> It came through as "MGR" here
L255[13:05:41] <MGR> @Mimiru please fix
L256[13:05:54] <Forecaster> I have no idea where that M would come from...
L257[13:06:10] <MGR> MichiBot+Major General Relativity?
L258[13:07:00] <Inari> Forecaster: Weird
L259[13:07:03] <Inari> It's MGR here
L260[13:07:07] <MGR> This clearly means I am MichiBot
L261[13:07:07] <MichiBot> ;_;
L262[13:07:19] <Forecaster> haha
L263[13:07:37] <Forecaster> it might've been my bridge parsing script then
L264[13:07:38] <Forecaster> weird
L265[13:11:03] <Vexatos> well then https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/commit/5e0e252e703990b54a7310e4b299bbee376a695d
L266[13:11:30] <Forecaster> ohno
L267[13:14:18] <Vexatos> I cannot compile Computronics without OC though :P
L268[13:15:39] <Forecaster> imagine that :P
L269[13:16:36] <KarMagiick> Enlighten someone that just started using oc to what is computronics? :3
L270[13:17:12] <Forecaster> it's a way of life
L271[13:17:30] <KarMagiick> r u tryna sell me a religion
L272[13:17:48] <Forecaster> nah, just drugs
L273[13:17:54] <KarMagiick> oh thats fine then
L274[13:18:10] <KarMagiick> For real though, is computronics worth adding to my server?
L275[13:18:17] <LizzyTheKitty> yrsd
L276[13:18:18] <Vexatos> Yes
L277[13:18:19] <LizzyTheKitty> *yes
L278[13:18:21] <Vexatos> But I may be biased
L279[13:18:34] <Forecaster> it adds a bunch of stuff to OC
L280[13:18:34] <KarMagiick> Why? You made it? :P
L281[13:18:36] <Forecaster> so probably :P
L282[13:18:38] <Vexatos> No
L283[13:18:43] <Vexatos> I didn't
L284[13:18:49] <Vexatos> I've just been the lead maintainer since 2014
L285[13:18:54] <KarMagiick> Oh!
L286[13:18:58] <Vexatos> (read: only maintainer)
L287[13:19:11] <Vexatos> (yes gamax92 you are a lovely person)
L288[13:19:16] <KarMagiick> Well, if you tell me it's a nice mod I'll look into right away and probs gonna add it
L289[13:19:16] <MGR> KarMagiic, it adds text to speech
L290[13:19:20] <KarMagiick> :O
L291[13:19:23] <KarMagiick> Sold
L292[13:19:26] <Vexatos> it also adds
L293[13:19:27] <Vexatos> like
L294[13:19:31] <Vexatos> a heckload other things
L295[13:19:37] <Vexatos> like EnderIO and RailCraft integration
L296[13:19:43] <Forecaster> it doesn't add flamingo
L297[13:19:44] <Vexatos> which are 25% of the mod alone :I
L298[13:19:52] <Vexatos> It adds flamingo integration though
L299[13:20:00] <Vexatos> component.flamingo.wiggle
L300[13:20:01] <Forecaster> that is does
L301[13:20:04] <KarMagiick> Is Computronics available for 1.10.2?
L302[13:20:07] <Vexatos> yes
L303[13:20:19] <Vexatos> Would you like a dev build?
L304[13:20:25] <Vexatos> It also features portable tape drives >_>
L305[13:20:30] <KarMagiick> A dev build? :o
L306[13:20:37] <Vexatos> I need testers :I
L307[13:21:12] <KarMagiick> I could try being a tester, buuut I'm not some computer wizard and definitely not a great coder :O
L308[13:22:20] <Vexatos> Someone send help https://puu.sh/wMTbt/a5bb841bf2.png
L309[13:23:36] <KarMagiick> So if I test that dev build, what's expected of me? :D
L310[13:24:28] <Vexatos> That you use the mod normally
L311[13:24:36] <Vexatos> and tell me if anything crashes or doesn't work as expected
L312[13:24:39] <Vexatos> i.e. the same as always >_>
L313[13:24:51] <KarMagiick> I never tested stuff for someone before
L314[13:24:55] <Vexatos> You have exactly 0 responsibilities >_>
L315[13:25:04] <Vexatos> Although it would be nice if you used the mod >_>
L316[13:25:17] <KarMagiick> Of course I'll use it x)
L317[13:25:34] <KarMagiick> I meant on top of using it lol
L318[13:26:28] <Vexatos> It would be even nicer if you used the portable tape drive and/or speaker upgrade since those are the new things
L319[13:26:40] <Vexatos> OC has a manual, Computronics adds pages to that
L320[13:26:49] <KarMagiick> Alright!
L321[13:26:52] <Vexatos> If you have any questions outside of that
L322[13:26:55] <Vexatos> this channel is it >_>
L323[13:27:01] <KarMagiick> Okay ^^
L324[13:27:10] <Vexatos> (there is also #computronics but that's not nearly as active)
L325[13:27:18] <KarMagiick> And where do I find that build? #totalnoob
L326[13:27:25] <Vexatos> http://files.vex.tty.sh/Computronics/dev/Computronics-1.10.2-1.6.5.147-fixes.jar
L327[13:27:30] <KarMagiick> Thank you <3
L328[13:27:45] <Vexatos> Assuming you are not using a Railcraft alpha or beta build
L329[13:28:07] <KarMagiick> This is a public build yeah? I can link that to my friend as well? It's just us two on this server
L330[13:28:17] <KarMagiick> And I don't have railcraft at all actually
L331[13:28:17] <Vexatos> You can use it for almost anything
L332[13:28:25] <Vexatos> Well that doesn't matter then :P
L333[13:28:36] <Vexatos> Although I do question the quality of your mod pack :3
L334[13:28:40] <KarMagiick> I could add it though if you want me to test things with it ^
L335[13:28:43] <Vexatos> nah
L336[13:28:45] <Vexatos> not necessary
L337[13:28:53] <Vexatos> Forecaster already has a pretty good server for that
L338[13:29:02] <KarMagiick> Age of Engineering, customized it a bunch, no computer mods made me sad so I added OC first thing
L339[13:29:09] <Vexatos> heh
L340[13:29:24] <KarMagiick> And I'm always down for more content, I don't mind adding railcraft
L341[13:29:27] <Saphire> http://i.imgur.com/tRktWFA.png
L342[13:30:10] <Saphire> Best grenade launcher
L343[13:30:16] <Forecaster> xD
L344[13:30:16] <KarMagiick> Alright so I'mma add the mod to the server now, I'll be back on in a minute ^^
L345[13:30:19] <Saphire> (that's rimworld)
L346[13:30:23] <Forecaster> that server just has railcraft though
L347[13:30:26] <Forecaster> :P
L348[13:30:45] <Saphire> Boomalope is an animal that explodes rather violently upon death
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L351[13:33:05] <KarMagick> I actually lied when i said brb im here too
L352[13:33:19] <Vexatos> KarMagick: Some assembly required http://wiki.vex.tty.sh/wiki:computronics:mary
L353[13:33:35] <Vexatos> for text to speech >_>
L354[13:33:48] <Vexatos> note that only the server needs those files for it to work
L355[13:34:26] <KarMagick> I just drop that in the mods folder? :D
L356[13:35:38] <MGR> No, it's a separate marytts folder you must create
L357[13:36:26] <KarMagick> Oh okay
L358[13:37:17] <Vexatos> Read the wiki page
L359[13:37:21] <Vexatos> it should tell you everything
L360[13:37:48] <Corded> * <MGR> wrangled with software and came off the victor
L361[13:38:09] <AmandaC> Inari: PLus Ultra!
L362[13:38:14] <Inari> :P
L363[13:38:19] <MGR> Internet Explorer and weird software combined to make my life difficult
L364[13:38:20] <Inari> Thats why I sked~
L365[13:38:21] <Inari> *asked
L366[13:38:25] <AmandaC> I figured as much. :3
L367[13:39:10] <Forecaster> I wrangled with software, lost, changed my name to Victor to escape the embarrasment
L368[13:43:25] <Vexatos> Hm
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L370[13:43:34] <Vexatos> I should probably drop 1.8 and 1.9 support of Computronics
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L372[13:46:04] <MGR> Forecaster, then I guess I'm better off than you were
L373[13:48:03] <Forecaster> or are you?!
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L375[13:51:08] <KarMagiick> Alright! Server's now running Computronics <3
L376[13:51:24] <Forecaster> yay for campertronics!
L377[13:52:06] <MGR> Forecaster, I'm not sure
L378[13:52:29] <MGR> Today I figuratively drove to Siberia
L379[13:52:46] <Forecaster> what did you do in figurative siberia?
L380[13:53:02] <MGR> Dropped stuff off
L381[13:53:07] <MGR> For work
L382[13:58:25] <Vindex> @MGR: you must mistyped? you meant to write "this week I've drove to Siberia", right? :D
L383[13:58:44] <MGR> What?
L384[13:59:01] <Vindex> Siberia is BIG :)
L385[13:59:07] <Vindex> you don't go "today" to Siberia :D
L386[14:00:41] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4-fq8ksZls
L387[14:00:43] <MichiBot> WTF?? A 3-Dimensional Keyboard?? | length: 8m 33s | Likes: 148 Dislikes: 1 Views: 37 | by Linus Tech Tips | Published On 18/7/2017
L388[14:01:40] <Forecaster> that looks absolutely stupiddiculous
L389[14:01:53] <MGR> Well, I guess I"m going to have to watch this video
L390[14:02:48] <KarMagick> Alright, I have crafted a speech box :O
L391[14:04:19] <Forecaster> the keyboard has read-view mirrors in it
L392[14:04:23] <Forecaster> for serious
L393[14:04:37] <Forecaster> rear-view*
L394[14:04:51] <MGR> Uh
L395[14:05:03] <Vexatos> KarMagick, speech upgrade is the one that would need testing :P But you're free to test the box first, of course... Well, you can do whatever you want, please don't let anything stand between you and your fun >_>
L396[14:05:08] <MGR> Also, it appears Intel is driving Skylake-X very hard
L397[14:05:30] <KarMagick> Oh my bad x)
L398[14:06:44] <Vexatos> It's not "bad"
L399[14:06:46] <Vexatos> as I said
L400[14:06:50] <Vexatos> please just play however you want :I
L401[14:06:56] <Vexatos> Speech box could use some testing, too >_>
L402[14:07:59] <MGR> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/-intel-skylake-x-overclocking-thermal-issues,5117.html
L403[14:09:05] <KarMagick> Well you offered me to try the dev build to help testing, if I didn't wanna help testing I'd have went for the "official(?)" release, so I'll test the speech upgrade now x)
L404[14:09:27] <Vexatos> the dev build has fewer bugs than the release :P
L405[14:09:43] <Vexatos> (I hope)
L406[14:09:48] <KarMagick> Oh, well I still went for it to help testing so!
L407[14:10:02] <KarMagick> Welp I gotta learn robots and drones now
L408[14:10:03] <KarMagick> :D
L409[14:10:12] <AmandaC> %choose code or play
L410[14:10:13] <MichiBot> AmandaC: play
L411[14:10:52] <KarMagick> Are they as easy as turtles from cc or am I right to be afraid right now ;-;
L412[14:11:03] <Forecaster> fun fact, MichiBot actually picks one of the options, then tells you a different one
L413[14:11:51] <AmandaC> Forecaster: what about when it's like this:
L414[14:11:56] <AmandaC> %choose code or play or both
L415[14:11:57] <MichiBot> AmandaC: play
L416[14:12:22] <Forecaster> what about what I said doesn't apply to multiple options? :P
L417[14:13:38] <AmandaC> well, why would she pick a random one of the three, then go and pick a different one of the three? That has a different psycology to it than picking one then giving the other
L418[14:14:04] <AmandaC> in the case of three "the other" is 2 other possibilities
L419[14:14:46] <Inari> %choose play or /play/ or "play"
L420[14:14:48] <MichiBot> Inari: "play"
L421[14:16:55] <Michiyo> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/219w2o/whos_the_dumbest_person_youve_ever_met/cgbhkwp/
L422[14:17:07] <Inari> Dead diary
L423[14:17:22] <Inari> Today I met a random nude guy with a shiba inu mask on his head and a chainsaw strapped to his back
L424[14:18:43] <gamax92> Dead diary.
L425[14:18:49] <Inari> xD
L426[14:18:59] <Inari> Thats an oddly fitting typo
L427[14:20:01] <KarMagick> @Vexatos I have successfully acquired a speech upgrade! I'mma finish assembling the drone and figure out and all and give you news then ^^
L428[14:20:38] <KarMagick> Woops that tagged you on discord too, my bad
L429[14:21:33] <Forecaster> the dumbest person I've ever met is and forever will be myself
L430[14:22:13] <Inari> Forecaster: ? :o
L431[14:22:39] <Forecaster> @reddit link
L432[14:23:03] <KarMagick> So I was going through the manual and... Self destructing card?? Does that mean I can send a drone to end itself on my friend with a loud bang? :D
L433[14:23:21] <Vexatos> No, it doesn't work in drones :I
L434[14:23:22] <Vexatos> Sorry.
L435[14:23:26] <Vexatos> robots work though
L436[14:23:33] <KarMagick> That works for me ^^
L437[14:23:52] <KarMagick> Speech upgrade works on drones though yeah?
L438[14:24:40] <Vexatos> yes
L439[14:24:42] <Vexatos> very much so
L440[14:25:10] <Vexatos> KarMagick, it is very easy
L441[14:25:20] <Vexatos> if something doesn't work in some computer, it won't even fit in any slot
L442[14:25:35] <Vexatos> so the SD card won't fit in a drone's card slot
L443[14:25:57] <Vexatos> if it fits, it will work
L444[14:26:04] <Vexatos> if it fits and doesn't work, it's a bug :P
L445[14:26:41] <Forecaster> it's slightly better than ic2's "if it doesn't work it explodes" method I admit
L446[14:26:44] <KarMagick> If it doesnt fit, enough duck tape fixes that
L447[14:26:45] <KarMagick> <3
L448[14:26:52] <Vexatos> Computronics has tape
L449[14:26:57] <Forecaster> duck tape
L450[14:26:58] <Vexatos> no duck tape though
L451[14:26:59] <KarMagick> :thinkingemoji:
L452[14:27:08] <Vexatos> make tape
L453[14:27:12] <Vexatos> label it "duck"
L454[14:27:31] <KarMagick> 10/10 problem solving
L455[14:27:36] <Forecaster> ???
L456[14:27:37] <Forecaster> profit
L457[14:27:48] <KarMagick> What other upgrade should I put in the drone? Never touched a drone before
L458[14:29:20] <Vexatos> a drone might not be the best way to start <_>
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L460[14:29:37] <Vexatos> You cannot put screens or keyboards in them
L461[14:29:54] <Vexatos> The program must fit into the 4kB that the EEPROM provides
L462[14:30:21] <KarMagick> D:
L463[14:30:30] <hoehlenwolf> hi everyone =)
L464[14:30:35] <KarMagick> Hello!
L465[14:31:07] <hoehlenwolf> uhm I just registered here because I stumbled across a problem with my coding.. maybe someone of you more experienced players could help me?._.
L466[14:31:41] <KarMagick> If a drone isn't the way to go.. is a robot the way? ?
L467[14:31:50] <Inari> %hello
L468[14:31:50] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L469[14:32:12] <Inari> hoehlenwolf: ^
L470[14:32:21] <hoehlenwolf> yeah I noticed, thx :D
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L472[14:33:50] <payonel> Skye: openos can multitask better now that it has threads
L473[14:33:57] <hoehlenwolf> So I have a variable a="robot.move()" for example. It is transmitted via a network as a string. Now I am listening on a robot to the messages and I want to execute the parameter as lua-code. shell.execute(robot.move()) doesnt work, since it tries to execute via the shell. Is there a way to execute a "snippet" of lua code directly?
L474[14:34:01] <payonel> what other type of multitasking are you expecting
L475[14:34:12] <Skye> payonel, could you multitask graphicical programs
L476[14:34:31] <Skye> hoehlenwolf, load() I think
L477[14:34:34] <Skye> ~w load
L478[14:34:35] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-load
L479[14:35:03] <payonel> Skye: with windows?
L480[14:35:11] <payonel> hoehlenwolf: with load(), as Skye said
L481[14:35:15] <hoehlenwolf> oh thank you, going to try that out =)
L482[14:35:21] <Skye> hoehlenwolf, load(string)()
L483[14:35:27] <Skye> payonel, not windows
L484[14:35:32] <payonel> %lua chunk=load("print('hello')")
L485[14:35:38] <payonel> %lua return type(chunk)
L486[14:35:38] <MichiBot> function
L487[14:35:40] ⇦ Parts: payonel (~payonel@2607:5300:60:9553::bad:c0de) (Leaving))
L488[14:35:44] <Skye> uh
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L490[14:35:45] zsh sets mode: +v on payonel
L491[14:35:48] <payonel> sonofa...
L492[14:35:50] <Skye> ctrl w?
L493[14:35:51] <payonel> %lua chunk()
L494[14:35:51] <MichiBot> hello
L495[14:35:53] <payonel> Skye: yes
L496[14:36:05] <KarMagiick> food time for me, I'll be back in a bit then figure out what i can do with computronics <3
L497[14:36:05] <payonel> Hobbyboy: see what MichiBot did with chunk() ?
L498[14:36:08] <payonel> %lua chunk()
L499[14:36:08] <MichiBot> hello
L500[14:36:21] <payonel> Skye: if not windows, then what do you mean?
L501[14:36:27] <Skye> payonel, tmux?
L502[14:36:29] <Skye> or screen
L503[14:36:34] <Skye> or backgrounding and resuming
L504[14:36:37] <Patchi> SKYE
L505[14:36:40] <Patchi> hello :D
L506[14:36:44] <Skye> hai
L507[14:37:05] <payonel> Skye: i dont have screen/tmux on my todo list
L508[14:37:14] <payonel> those sound like great oppm projects though
L509[14:37:20] <Patchi> and its been forever since i was on IR friggen C
L510[14:37:30] <payonel> backgrounding could be done now, with threads
L511[14:37:39] <Patchi> heya payo!
L512[14:37:43] <payonel> o/
L513[14:37:49] <Patchi> me = ember XD
L514[14:37:50] <payonel> i have to go afk for a bit. bbl
L515[14:37:50] <Skye> payonel, the main problem is hijacking the GPU calls...
L516[14:37:52] * payonel is afk
L517[14:38:04] <Skye> maybe if you allow terminal calls to be hijacked
L518[14:38:33] <Temia> oh, hey Patchi.
L519[14:39:17] <Patchi> hiya
L520[14:39:26] <Patchi> me old name was ember :D
L521[14:39:38] <Patchi> you could say i "started anew"
L522[14:39:39] <Temia> You just said that. :p
L523[14:39:48] <Patchi> true XD
L524[14:40:37] <Temia> I felt it'd be rude to go "oh, hey ember" if you wanted to move on from that after all.
L525[14:40:52] <Inari> oh, hey ember
L526[14:41:08] <Temia> some have no such reservations though, apparently.
L527[14:41:17] <Inari> ;D
L528[14:41:22] <Patchi> XD
L529[14:41:25] <Patchi> its fine
L530[14:41:31] <hoehlenwolf> hm I think I'm doing something wrong. I got chunk=load("print('hello')"). the type of chunk is a function -> print(type(chunk))=function. But it does not print the hello to the screen?
L531[14:41:39] <Inari> Why start anew? It's not like your old name has some odd stuff attached
L532[14:41:51] <Patchi> uh
L533[14:42:43] <Patchi> it kinda *did* but its over now, so i can be *me* now. long story, pm able if necessary
L534[14:42:46] <gamax92> "This extension violates the Chrome Web Store policy."
L535[14:42:49] <hoehlenwolf> ah nevermind.. I got it, that was a stupid question, had to do chunk() like you guys said :D
L536[14:45:34] <Temia> I've been there, so I hear ya.
L537[14:46:40] <Temia> we don't judge though.
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L539[15:08:29] <Forecaster> before Forecaster I used the name "Dark_light"
L540[15:08:30] <Forecaster> :P
L541[15:12:20] <Forecaster> it was... not great
L542[15:13:04] <Vexatos> Before Vexatos I used
L543[15:13:06] <Vexatos> uh
L544[15:13:08] <Vexatos> Vexatos
L545[15:13:20] <Cruor> Vexatos: wow
L546[15:13:29] <Cruor> tell me the backstory of why you changed name
L547[15:13:30] <Vexatos> My first name is silly as heck
L548[15:13:37] <Vexatos> I use that in some places too
L549[15:13:45] <Vexatos> Because noone will ever know it's not a pseudonym
L550[15:14:13] <Cruor> is it xX_ToasterMan_Xx
L551[15:14:13] <Cruor> :⁾
L552[15:14:20] <Vexatos> Sir
L553[15:14:26] <Forecaster> FlamingoMan
L554[15:14:27] <Vexatos> You are insulting me
L555[15:14:36] <Vexatos> Stop insulting me or I'll rist your Brød
L556[15:14:55] <Forecaster> I don't know what that means so I'm not particularly threatened by it
L557[15:15:37] <Cruor> Forecaster: he will rist your brød!
L558[15:15:39] <Cruor> RUUUUUUN
L559[15:15:51] <Forecaster> but I'm comfortably lazy
L560[15:16:00] <Vexatos> You know exactly what it means :P
L561[15:16:04] <Vexatos> You are Swedish >_>
L562[15:16:13] <Vexatos> replace the ø with an ö and there you go :I
L563[15:16:29] <Forecaster> sure, but I have no idea what "rist" is
L564[15:17:00] <Forecaster> "bread" is not a threat by itself :P
L565[15:17:13] <Cruor> Vexatos: they dont have brød, only bröd
L566[15:17:13] <Cruor> huge difference
L567[15:17:13] <Cruor> ristad <_<
L568[15:17:13] <Cruor> the action of doing that
L569[15:17:13] <Cruor> the heck do you do with your brød even .-.
L570[15:17:26] <Cruor> is a threat when he wants to rist it D:
L571[15:17:33] <Vexatos> we toast it :I
L572[15:17:37] <Vexatos> wel
L573[15:17:41] <Vexatos> we only toast Toast
L574[15:17:49] <Vexatos> we would never do anything this silly with real bread
L575[15:17:54] <Forecaster> to get super toast?
L576[15:17:57] <Vexatos> German bread best bread :I
L577[15:18:02] <AmandaC> I toast events
L578[15:18:03] <Cruor> supppaaaah toooast
L579[15:18:03] <Vexatos> Forecaster, to get toast²
L580[15:18:03] <Forecaster> or toast*2
L581[15:18:11] <Cruor> AmandaC: yea, thats nice
L582[15:18:12] <Vexatos> toast toast = toast²
L583[15:18:15] <Cruor> dont let them air to long
L584[15:18:18] <Cruor> thats annoying
L585[15:18:21] <Vexatos> Did you not pay attention in maths D:
L586[15:18:37] <Cruor> toast^toast
L587[15:18:55] <Vexatos> toast↑↑↑toast
L588[15:19:14] <Cruor> OH GOD
L589[15:19:15] <Forecaster> I don't have ² on hand
L590[15:19:33] <payonel> Skye: re: hijacking terminal and gpu calls
L591[15:20:19] <payonel> Skye: the terminal runs in a window, even now. and technically the tty library is the stream to which stdout writes directly
L592[15:20:28] <payonel> and reads
L593[15:21:03] <Skye> payonel, what about programs that hijack the GPU?
L594[15:21:14] <payonel> i do not plan to virtualize the gpu. if someone writes code that writes directly to the gpu, and ignores the terminal and stdout -- then that is their choice
L595[15:21:15] <Cruor> Forecaster: you should be a shamed of yourself
L596[15:21:20] <Cruor> cant even rist when your swedish?!
L597[15:21:31] <Forecaster> you're*
L598[15:21:32] <Forecaster> :P
L599[15:21:39] <payonel> Skye: however, with threads you can wholly suspend a program, including all of its event handlers, etc
L600[15:21:48] <Cruor> we true vikings sure knows how to rist that brød
L601[15:21:51] <Cruor> :⁾
L602[15:21:53] <Forecaster> that's not a swedish word
L603[15:22:16] <Skye> payonel, so the classic DOS task swapping system could work
L604[15:22:16] <Forecaster> or not one that I use at least
L605[15:22:22] <Skye> freeze a program, then resume it later
L606[15:22:26] <payonel> yes
L607[15:22:36] <Cruor> oh, its rostat
L608[15:22:40] <Cruor> mfw .-.
L609[15:22:44] <payonel> t=thread.create(some_function)
L610[15:22:47] <payonel> and later, t:suspend()
L611[15:23:03] <payonel> everything done from that function, any program executed from it, etc -- is suspended
L612[15:23:12] <payonel> no events are passed to it, no event timers, etc
L613[15:23:22] <Forecaster> that makes more sense
L614[15:23:23] <Skye> okay... neat
L615[15:23:24] <payonel> it'll never wake up
L616[15:23:38] <Skye> I wonder what it would take to virutlize the GPU
L617[15:24:07] <payonel> you could t:suspend(), save_screen(), swap(), restore_screen(), t:resume()
L618[15:24:59] <Skye> hmm... you can't read from the GPU
L619[15:25:19] <Skye> so you'd have to have a layer between the GPU that just emulates it? eew
L620[15:25:30] <payonel> you dont need to read the gpu
L621[15:25:31] <payonel> you read the screen
L622[15:25:40] <payonel> which is done via the gpu :/
L623[15:25:45] <payonel> gpu.get(x, y)
L624[15:25:48] <Skye> oh...
L625[15:25:52] <Skye> what state is there?
L626[15:26:15] <payonel> the unicode value printed there, and color
L627[15:26:20] <payonel> fg and bg
L628[15:26:31] <Skye> what state does the GPU itself have?
L629[15:26:42] <payonel> gpu holds a current fg and bg
L630[15:26:49] <payonel> which it applies to the next unicode printed
L631[15:27:12] <payonel> e.g. getForeground
L632[15:29:07] <Skye> you'd have to cache all GPU actions to run programs in the background
L633[15:29:13] <Skye> this...
L634[15:29:16] <payonel> why?
L635[15:29:21] <payonel> well, yes
L636[15:29:23] <payonel> but -
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L639[15:29:30] <payonel> like i said, i dont care about gpu calls
L640[15:29:32] <Skye> this feels very Windows 3.11-ish
L641[15:29:38] <payonel> if someone writes gpu calls directly, that's their own fault
L642[15:29:51] <Skye> IIRC the edit program still uses GPU calls?
L643[15:30:03] <payonel> yes, blame sangar :)
L644[15:30:24] <Forecaster> %blame Sangar
L645[15:30:25] * MichiBot blames Sangar for adding boredom to the inventory!
L646[15:30:30] <payonel> the terminal "window" holds a reference to its gpu
L647[15:30:31] <Forecaster> !!
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L649[15:30:51] <payonel> so if you create your own subwindows, you can define your own gpu
L650[15:31:02] <payonel> this isn't documented because i never loved the api i wrote for it
L651[15:31:31] <payonel> though now wocchat has been using this undocumented api for a long time, and just the other week i saw someone recommend using this api in a oc.cil forum thread
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L653[15:31:36] <payonel> :|
L654[15:31:49] <Skye> I guess you could use component hacks to cover everything?
L655[15:32:05] <payonel> it is better to use process metadata
L656[15:32:19] <Skye> payonel, you should write a book.
L657[15:32:26] <Skye> I'd read it.
L658[15:32:31] <payonel> heh
L659[15:32:32] <Skye> probably buy a physical copy tbh
L660[15:33:02] <payonel> well before i write any book, i should probably do all the things needed for our wiki
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L662[15:34:51] <payonel> vifino: is it reasonable to expect a linux distro to have libssl.so and libcrypto.so ?
L663[15:35:47] <Vexatos> just write it in the README
L664[15:35:52] <Vexatos> that it requires those
L665[15:36:11] <payonel> one of my goals is to keep ocvm's dependencies absolutely minimal
L666[15:36:29] <Vexatos> have fun doing HTTPS without deps
L667[15:36:32] <payonel> i even considered copying lua source as a sub dir
L668[15:37:01] <payonel> Vexatos: yeah, i'm already building a side project has the only files needed from openssl to make that work
L669[15:38:33] <KarMagiick> i am back !
L670[15:39:19] <Forecaster> hello back
L671[15:39:49] <Forecaster> wait! that is not your name! you trickster!
L672[15:42:03] <KarMagiick> me?
L673[15:42:16] <KarMagiick> I put 2 i's cause the one with 1 i is me but on browser
L674[15:42:18] <Vexatos> Forecaster, but that is Lizzy D:
L675[15:54:05] <vifino> payonel: yeah, but it is not reasonable to expect them to be openssl and not libressl
L676[16:01:23] <AmandaC> or boringssl
L677[16:03:37] * AmandaC wonders if anyone other than Google even uses boringssl
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L681[16:18:50] <KarMagiick> my friend keeps making me craft things i havent had time to try anything yet ;-;
L682[16:22:33] <AshIndigo> Get an me/rs system?
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L684[16:23:27] <KarMagiick> me/rs?
L685[16:26:39] <AshIndigo> Ae2 system.or refined storage system
L686[16:26:45] <AshIndigo> Both have easy autocrafting
L687[16:27:10] <KarMagiick> Ah, well in this pack we're playing an me system is ways away, as for refined storage..
L688[16:27:28] <KarMagiick> We dont have it
L689[16:27:29] <KarMagiick> :(
L690[16:27:33] <AshIndigo> Some kind of expert pack?
L691[16:27:45] <KarMagiick> Age of Engineering
L692[16:27:59] <KarMagiick> To progress on one mod you gotta progress on all the others
L693[16:28:17] <KarMagiick> We added a few mods to it tho
L694[16:28:39] <AshIndigo> Ah
L695[16:28:55] <Inari> AoE is nice
L696[16:29:05] <Inari> Though it kinda suffers form the same issues as most progression packs
L697[16:29:16] <AshIndigo> A grind?
L698[16:29:24] <AshIndigo> Or repetition?
L699[16:29:37] <Inari> Nah. The gating often makes no sense :P It's not very intuitive why you need A for B and the like
L700[16:29:37] <Keridos> @Vexatos apparently my driver loads fine in the dev builds but running it on 1.6.2.7 does not work.
L701[16:30:00] <AshIndigo> So in the "lore" sense
L702[16:30:07] <Keridos> any idea why that is that way?
L703[16:30:32] <KarMagiick> This is the only progression pack that's kept me interested for this long, (no offense to other packs)
L704[16:30:50] <AshIndigo> Probably because you have a friend wotg you
L705[16:31:05] <Inari> AoE is about automation. If you run into repetition it's generally because yuo don't automate enough
L706[16:31:09] <Vexatos> @Keridos Works for me :I
L707[16:31:16] <Vexatos> No idea what you are doing
L708[16:31:16] <Vexatos> sooo
L709[16:32:00] <KarMagiick> i feel like i'd be able to automate a lot more if i could get myself to learn lua again lol
L710[16:32:36] <KarMagiick> Only lua I know I learned from cc and I realized that its excessively simplified, and I haven't even used cc in a long time so
L711[16:32:45] <Keridos> Vexatos, I register the driver in init, after OC has completed its init, is that ok?
L712[16:32:45] <KarMagiick> Forgot basically everything that I could have put to use on this
L713[16:32:55] <Vexatos> yes it is
L714[16:33:15] <Keridos> weird is that it works in my dev env just fine
L715[16:33:23] <Vexatos> That is where I do it >_>
L716[16:34:44] <KarMagiick> Any links that a person with a learning disorder could use to re-learn lua? ;-;
L717[16:36:01] <Vexatos> there's a really
L718[16:36:05] <Vexatos> really really really good book
L719[16:36:12] <Vexatos> written by the guy who made Lua
L720[16:36:33] <KarMagiick> Thats the thing, I literally cant learn by reading
L721[16:36:40] <Vexatos> called "Programming in Lua", maybe you can find the third or, preferably, fourth edition in your library
L722[16:36:41] <KarMagiick> unless its excessively simple
L723[16:36:44] <AshIndigo> Would videos be good?
L724[16:36:49] <KarMagiick> Yes :D
L725[16:37:00] <Vexatos> well the book is just about the best programming book I am aware of
L726[16:37:19] <KarMagiick> Hm, I might look into it, giving it a try can't hurt
L727[16:37:19] <Vexatos> it's super well-written and explains everything in easy terms
L728[16:37:32] <Vexatos> payonel can confirm >_>
L729[16:37:41] <AshIndigo> There's a few old ones on YouTube of you want to take a look
L730[16:37:48] <Keridos> yeah apparently the 1.6.2.7 release does not work, the beta version do work though
L731[16:37:50] <AshIndigo> Don't know how good they might be
L732[16:37:58] <Keridos> really weird
L733[16:38:07] <Keridos> @Vexatos https://github.com/OpenModularTurretsTeam/OpenModularTurrets/blob/1.10.2/src/main/java/omtteam/openmodularturrets/compatibility/opencomputers/DriverTurretBase.java
L734[16:38:42] <Keridos> That abstract driver just acts as a wrapper around the OC driver
L735[16:38:56] <Vexatos> You know
L736[16:38:58] <Vexatos> "Doesn't work"
L737[16:38:59] <Vexatos> is not very
L738[16:39:01] <Vexatos> specific
L739[16:41:07] <Vexatos> %tell Sangar https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/2466
L740[16:41:07] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.
L741[16:41:09] <Vexatos> %tell Sangar https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/2466
L742[16:41:09] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.
L743[16:41:09] <Vexatos> %tell Sangar https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/2466
L744[16:41:10] <Vexatos> %tell Sangar https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/2466
L745[16:41:10] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.
L746[16:41:11] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.
L747[16:41:14] <Vexatos> :I
L748[16:42:42] <Vexatos> Someone make Sangar alive please
L749[16:43:53] <Keridos> I call new DriverTurretBase().registerWrapper() which is a void function in here : https://github.com/OpenModularTurretsTeam/OMLib/blob/1.10.2/src/main/java/omtteam/omlib/compatibility/opencomputers/AbstractOMDriver.java
L750[16:44:38] <Vexatos> Well what does "Doesn't work" mean
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L752[16:45:39] <Keridos> the component is not detected
L753[16:45:52] <Keridos> it is though in the latest beta build
L754[16:45:58] <Vexatos> uuh
L755[16:46:03] <Vexatos> nothing changed on the OC side there
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L757[16:46:20] <Keridos> The register function is called, on init.
L758[16:46:30] <Keridos> So I do not see any reason why this shouldnt work
L759[16:47:14] <Vexatos> is createEnvironment getting called
L760[16:47:15] <Keridos> OC does not throw any message about this at all
L761[16:47:17] <Vexatos> or worksWith
L762[16:47:20] <Keridos> No it isnt
L763[16:47:30] <Vexatos> neither?
L764[16:47:31] <Keridos> wait a sec need to check worksWith
L765[16:49:22] <Keridos> that is called
L766[16:49:31] <Keridos> but it is trying IEnergyTIle from ic2 as filter
L767[16:49:31] <Vexatos> that means it returns false
L768[16:50:04] <Vexatos> worksWith returns false then I assume
L769[16:50:38] <Keridos> yes
L770[16:50:54] <Vexatos> well that explains it
L771[16:51:03] <Keridos> ok the filter actually has TurretBase as value
L772[16:51:14] <Keridos> then why is it giving back false?
L773[16:51:27] <Vexatos> you have a debugger, find out yourself :I
L774[16:52:36] <Keridos> hm apparently after the check against turretbase it works
L775[16:52:42] <Keridos> well it returns true
L776[16:52:51] <Keridos> but the environment is never created o.O
L777[17:07:14] <Keridos> Vexatos: its trying a compoundblockdriver
L778[17:19:26] <KarMagiick> Alright my friend is afk for a while now i can try things
L779[17:19:28] <KarMagiick> !
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L782[17:24:42] <payonel> KarMagiick: i can confirm that https://www.amazon.com/Programming-Lua-Roberto-Ierusalimschy/dp/859037985X is a good book
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L784[17:25:03] <payonel> i meant https://www.amazon.com/Programming-Lua-Fourth-Roberto-Ierusalimschy/dp/8590379868/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SRSJS4S4VDJWJYT9ZJDW
L785[17:25:07] <payonel> huge urls, yaya
L786[17:28:08] <KarMagick_> I'll check it out, thanks for the link ^^
L787[17:31:05] <Vexatos> The book is so nice :I
L788[17:31:41] <payonel> it could have some more elaboration in some areas :)
L789[17:31:47] * payonel runs from Vexatos' pitchfork
L790[17:32:23] <Vexatos> the mailing list is always open for criticism :P
L791[17:35:42] <Keridos> Is using a wrapper for a driver possible?
L792[17:35:56] <Vexatos> why wouldn't it be
L793[17:36:14] <Keridos> You mentioned the driver would have to be a singleton, can I have a wrapper for it?
L794[17:36:32] <Keridos> i mean multiple drivers extending a class which has the wrapper in it
L795[17:37:05] <Vexatos> of course?
L796[17:37:17] <Vexatos> Singleton just because you do not want the same driver for the same block twice
L797[17:38:42] <S3> ewwwwww
L798[17:38:48] <S3> so vexatos
L799[17:38:52] <S3> Elixir is spoiling me
L800[17:39:07] <Vexatos> S3, praise our Lord and Saviour, Julia
L801[17:39:09] <Vexatos> the best language
L802[17:39:39] <S3> oh I've seen Julia before
L803[17:41:17] <Vexatos> S3, do you want an elixir arch for OC now or what >:>
L804[17:41:44] <S3> If somebody did that it would be pretty cool but I don't think that's easily feasible
L805[17:42:08] <S3> maybe I should write an Elixir to Selene compiler
L806[17:43:11] <Keridos> Vexatos: worksWith actually returns true apparently
L807[17:43:15] <Inari> %give MichiBot mango
L808[17:43:16] * MichiBot accepts mango and adds it to her inventory
L809[17:43:23] <Keridos> So its something on OC side borking it.
L810[17:43:52] <S3> Julia doesn't look to be purely functional
L811[17:43:54] <S3> is it?
L812[17:43:55] <Vexatos> well, update OC :P
L813[17:44:05] <Inari> S3: Dunno, ask Cruor
L814[17:44:22] <Cruor> S3: its pure magic
L815[17:44:26] <Vexatos> S3, it is not purely functional by syntax
L816[17:45:39] <Vexatos> S3, Julia is basically Lua except with features
L817[17:45:41] <Vexatos> and SCIENCE
L818[17:45:46] <Vexatos> it's so good :I
L819[17:46:23] <Inari> Sounds good
L820[17:46:27] <Inari> I should look into julia
L821[17:46:30] <Inari> Is it as fast as lua?
L822[17:46:36] <Vexatos> it is actually faster >_>
L823[17:46:40] <Inari> Cool
L824[17:46:50] <Vexatos> it's JITed
L825[17:46:53] <Inari> Also given it's name you can make lewd jokes more easily
L826[17:46:54] <Vexatos> so of course it is :I
L827[17:47:03] <Cruor> Inari: i love Julias "features" :⁾
L828[17:47:07] <Vexatos> Inari, Cruor has already done them all
L829[17:47:09] <Inari> Like that
L830[17:48:23] <Vexatos> S3, Julia is my new favourite language and I only learnt it last Friday :I
L831[17:49:05] <AmandaC> Vexatos: Julia core for OC when?
L832[17:49:10] <Vexatos> I wish
L833[17:49:18] <Vexatos> Unfortunately it's huge
L834[17:49:20] <Vexatos> as in
L835[17:49:22] <Vexatos> ginormous
L836[17:49:28] <Vexatos> the stdlib has everything you could ever want
L837[17:49:32] <S3> Vexatos: I see
L838[17:49:37] <S3> I learned Elixir like 2 weeks ago
L839[17:49:41] <S3> and now it's my new favorite languge
L840[17:50:04] <Vexatos> I don't like languages that make code look messy
L841[17:50:14] <Vexatos> i.e. purely functional ones like elixir and haskell >_>
L842[17:50:14] <Achai> now is it faster than LuaJIT?
L843[17:50:16] <Keridos> Vexatos: the analyzer even tells me on the adapter that the component is called turret_base and has an address
L844[17:50:17] <S3> Eliir code is beautiful
L845[17:50:21] <Achai> thats the biggest question ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L846[17:50:25] <Keridos> so why on earth is the computer not seeing it?
L847[17:50:27] <Inari> Achai: In certain cases, apparently
L848[17:50:29] <Vexatos> Keridos, that means the env is there
L849[17:50:35] <S3> like, Elixir code looks better than my clean code in other languages
L850[17:50:44] <Keridos> Vexatos: and that means that the driver works, doesnt it?
L851[17:50:45] <S3> it is naturally pretty :D
L852[17:50:46] <Inari> Achai: https://julialang.org/ scroll down to the table
L853[17:50:47] <Inari> :P
L854[17:50:48] <Vexatos> Keridos, you do setNode with a node that has Visibility.Network, right?
L855[17:50:50] <Achai> still not faster than Java
L856[17:50:52] <Vexatos> yes it doe
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L858[17:51:04] <Keridos> I do not do setNode at all
L859[17:51:09] <Keridos> do I need to do it?
L860[17:51:11] <Vexatos> . _ .
L861[17:51:17] <Vexatos> how did that even work on newer OCs then
L862[17:51:23] <Inari> Achai: It is
L863[17:51:23] <Achai> the fuck is a gsl-shell
L864[17:51:24] <Keridos> no idea, it just worked
L865[17:51:29] <Vexatos> Keridos, look at other implementations of ManagedEnvironment
L866[17:51:31] <Vexatos> OC has some itself
L867[17:51:37] <S3> This is ugly as fuck: https://pastebin.com/uSi0q8R1
L868[17:51:42] <Vexatos> or drivers, anyhow
L869[17:52:07] <Keridos> Vexatos: I use ManagedEnvironment, the default implementation
L870[17:52:14] <Vexatos> which you should
L871[17:52:16] <S3> conditionals are overrated :D
L872[17:52:17] <Keridos> the abstract one
L873[17:52:20] <Vexatos> some of OC uses it too
L874[17:52:23] <Vexatos> look how those look
L875[17:52:25] <Keridos> but do I need to override setNode then?
L876[17:52:28] <Vexatos> no
L877[17:52:33] <Inari> So does Julia have like metatables/environments or something like that?
L878[17:52:35] <Inari> Sandboxable?
L879[17:52:49] <Achai> I can't even find out what version of LuaJIT gsl-shell uses
L880[17:52:50] <Inari> Or what makes it "like lua"
L881[17:53:04] <Vexatos> look at the constructors of OC's own implementations of that abstract class
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L883[17:55:02] <Achai> also, no offense Cruor, but Julia is ugly :^)
L884[17:55:14] <S3> Achai: just said that
L885[17:55:24] <S3> Julia is pretty fugly
L886[17:55:31] <Achai> implicit locals
L887[17:55:34] <Vexatos> Keridos, hm apparently you actually don't need to set the node manually?
L888[17:55:34] <Achai> implicit returns
L889[17:55:36] <Vexatos> I forget >_>
L890[17:55:49] <Vexatos> wait
L891[17:55:50] <Vexatos> yes you do
L892[17:55:56] <Vexatos> https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/blob/1.10/src/main/java/pl/asie/computronics/integration/NamedManagedEnvironment.java#L16
L893[17:55:59] <Vexatos> that's where I do it
L894[17:56:22] <Keridos> Vexatos, i could probably even use ManagedTileEntityEnvironment<ClassName>
L895[17:56:31] <Inari> Achai: But implicit locals are better than implicit globals
L896[17:56:33] <Keridos> that is what the ic2 mass fab does
L897[17:56:40] <Achai> implicit returns in a Lua-type environment can let you accidentally leak information
L898[17:56:48] <Keridos> that constructor calls setNode
L899[17:56:49] <Achai> Inari: nah, require "strict"
L900[17:57:04] <Vexatos> except it isn't Lua
L901[17:57:11] <Vexatos> It's a compiled language
L902[17:57:13] <Achai> Vexatos: ...
L903[17:57:23] <Vexatos> you cannot leak information if the compiler yells at you >_>
L904[17:57:58] <Achai> Vexatos: wait so are you saying that if I have "sensitive_operation_that_might_return_a_result()" at the end of a function
L905[17:58:04] <Achai> it won't get returned?
L906[17:58:09] <payonel> %lua load("print([[VEXATOAST]])")()
L907[17:58:09] <MichiBot> VEXATOAST
L908[17:58:11] <Achai> how does the compiler decide that?
L909[17:58:27] <Keridos> Vexatos, now it works, thank you :D
L910[17:58:30] <payonel> ^ like that, the compiler yess
L911[17:58:32] <payonel> yells*
L912[17:58:42] <Vexatos> yes
L913[17:58:52] <payonel> >.<
L914[17:59:15] <S3> %sel
L915[17:59:24] <S3> %sel foo
L916[17:59:24] <MichiBot> nil
L917[17:59:30] <S3> YAY
L918[17:59:32] <S3> sel is there
L919[17:59:39] <Vexatos> %sell
L920[17:59:47] <Vexatos> %sell S3
L921[17:59:47] <MichiBot> Vexatos: New S3! Buy now! Only 99.99!
L922[17:59:49] <Achai> but how is it yelling? does it yell if you have a function call at the end of a function block?
L923[17:59:52] <S3> ...
L924[18:00:01] <S3> as seen on tv?
L925[18:00:07] <gamax92> but wait
L926[18:00:09] <Vexatos> Achai, depends on how you defined the function
L927[18:00:10] <Achai> It seems very ick to me
L928[18:00:13] <gamax92> if you order now, we'll throw in a second one free
L929[18:00:39] <Vexatos> you _can_ define the types of parameters, variables, functions, etc (including that a function shouldn't return anything)
L930[18:00:40] <gamax92> (plus additional shipping and handling)
L931[18:00:44] <Vexatos> You simply don't have to
L932[18:01:04] <S3> still want to see pattern matching in Selene though it's impossible
L933[18:01:07] <Vexatos> the implicit return is far from special
L934[18:01:12] <Vexatos> a lot of languages have it
L935[18:01:20] <Vexatos> Scala is a good example >_>
L936[18:01:29] <Vexatos> It's not something that just accidentally happens
L937[18:01:32] <S3> anyone used llvm scala native yet?
L938[18:01:37] <S3> no jvm bullshit
L939[18:01:44] <Vexatos> I used llvm Julia native :⁾
L940[18:01:58] <S3> yes but Julia is ugly
L941[18:02:03] <Vexatos> It is not
L942[18:02:08] <S3> I think so
L943[18:02:10] <Achai> Same
L944[18:02:13] <Vexatos> Julia is like Lua except with Scala features except good
L945[18:02:17] <Vexatos> and with SCIENCE
L946[18:02:20] <Achai> Scala isn't good
L947[18:02:21] <Vexatos> and I am a scientist
L948[18:02:23] <Vexatos> No
L949[18:02:23] <Inari> How is it like lua
L950[18:02:27] <Vexatos> But Scala has good features
L951[18:02:31] <Vexatos> and Julia takes them :D
L952[18:02:32] <Achai> The only similarity to Lua is the syntax
L953[18:02:34] <S3> I never learned scala because it was mostly written in Java
L954[18:02:36] <Vexatos> Inari, it has Lua syntax
L955[18:02:41] <Achai> but it mangled that in that front
L956[18:02:46] <Keridos> Vexatos: thanks a lot, that was nice :D
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L958[18:03:15] <Vexatos> Cruor, send help
L959[18:03:16] <Inari> Vexatos: Does it have metatables?
L960[18:03:20] <Vexatos> we have people with bad tastes here
L961[18:03:25] <Cruor> Vexatos: you got this
L962[18:03:27] <Vexatos> Inari, nope, that would probably be insane
L963[18:03:32] <Inari> :|
L964[18:03:35] <Cruor> Vexatos: it has structs
L965[18:03:35] <S3> Achai: Elixir is beautiful
L966[18:03:36] <Cruor> <_<
L967[18:03:36] <Inari> Then how do you OOP and sandbox
L968[18:03:37] <Vexatos> But you do not really need them
L969[18:03:48] <Vexatos> Inari, struct MyClass...end
L970[18:03:56] <Vexatos> and you can even make it callable, iterable, etc
L971[18:04:01] <Inari> Interesting
L972[18:04:02] <Vexatos> you just need to implement the right methods
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L974[18:04:27] <Vexatos> S3, elixir is hard to read for anyone other than the one who wrote it.
L975[18:04:37] <Vexatos> same as erlang in that regard >_>
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L977[18:04:49] <Achai> This is the case of explicit vs implicit. Implicit stuff is bad, explicit stuff is good in moderation.
L978[18:04:58] <Vexatos> Julia can be either :P
L979[18:05:07] <Achai> And thats a Bad Thing ™
L980[18:05:11] <Vexatos> The more explicit you are, the better the compilation, the faster the code
L981[18:05:20] <Vexatos> So it tells people to be explicit
L982[18:05:22] <Inari> Explicit you say~
L983[18:05:24] <Achai> So why advertise all the implicit magic
L984[18:05:31] <Achai> And then be like "its bad dont use"
L985[18:05:35] <Vexatos> because you _can_ write it like Lua
L986[18:05:43] <Achai> Why not get rid of the implicit magic all together
L987[18:05:44] <Vexatos> If you use it as a general-purpose language, why not
L988[18:05:49] <Achai> and make it more concrete
L989[18:06:05] <Vexatos> because there are other languages that do that a lot better
L990[18:06:15] <Vexatos> you can use MATLAB and R :P
L991[18:06:41] <Achai> I don't do any scientific computing, so I haven't tried either
L992[18:06:56] <Achai> MATLAB isn't free
L993[18:07:14] <Vexatos> It's €2000
L994[18:07:14] <Achai> and it has a lot of magic
L995[18:07:30] <Vexatos> Julia's stdlib is full of scientific magic
L996[18:07:33] <Vexatos> and the syntax too
L997[18:07:35] <Achai> R has lots of magic too
L998[18:07:38] <Vexatos> you can almost write it like maths
L999[18:07:47] <Vexatos> so it's basically mathematica except cheap
L1000[18:08:14] <Achai> I guess it would be great for math majors
L1001[18:08:25] <Vexatos> It's great for technical computing
L1002[18:08:53] <Vexatos> it has native easy parallel processing :I
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L1004[18:09:34] <Vexatos> It's basically for people who want to do technical computation but don't want to miss out on high-level language features >:>
L1005[18:10:09] <Inari> How good is it for games?
L1006[18:10:09] <Achai> So this leads to another question: why OC-Julia (or whatever)
L1007[18:10:21] <Vexatos> Inari, I wrote the Game of Life in it :⁾ http://git.io/vQdX0
L1008[18:11:06] <Vexatos> it has the best matrix/multiD array syntax ever
L1009[18:11:27] <Inari> I mean like
L1010[18:11:28] <Inari> Actual games
L1011[18:11:40] <Achai> Oh god
L1012[18:11:58] <Achai> Are structs implicitly filled through the new() constructor thing?
L1013[18:12:07] <Achai> Thats... almost C levels of disgusting
L1014[18:12:13] <Vexatos> no they are not
L1015[18:12:20] <Achai> I'm confused then
L1016[18:12:32] <Achai> GameOfLife(b::Array{Bool, 2}; step = 0, maxSteps = 50) = new(b, step, maxSteps)
L1017[18:12:33] <Vexatos> new() only exists inside of a constructor
L1018[18:12:41] <Vexatos> so if you define your own constructor
L1019[18:12:49] <Vexatos> you use new() to actually generate the object
L1020[18:13:18] <Achai> And the argument order to new() depends on the order of the fields?
L1021[18:13:22] <Vexatos> which you can do at any point inside the constructor function
L1022[18:13:54] <Vexatos> yes
L1023[18:14:03] <Achai> <Achai> Thats... almost C levels of disgusting
L1024[18:14:14] <Vexatos> not really
L1025[18:14:24] <Vexatos> you can also add fields that are not initialized like that
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L1027[18:14:37] <Vexatos> There just wasn't a point in doing it otherwise in this case
L1028[18:14:52] <Vexatos> there is also type which is different than struct
L1029[18:14:56] <Vexatos> it's more OOP-like
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L1031[18:15:37] <Vexatos> this is more syntax sugar than anything
L1032[18:15:46] <Vexatos> to make creating structs easier >:>
L1033[18:15:47] <Achai> And what is Base.??
L1034[18:16:01] <Vexatos> That's one way to add methods to functions
L1035[18:16:07] <payonel> if the fields in a ctor are not named in the param list (e.g. new(A=1, B=2)) and they are not in order of the fields defined, then the assignment is arbitrary :/
L1036[18:16:08] <Vexatos> Base is the "root" library
L1037[18:16:25] <payonel> Achai: and so, i don't understand what you're so offended by
L1038[18:16:28] <Vexatos> you implement show for your struct to override what println does
L1039[18:16:44] <Vexatos> you implement start, done and next for your struct to make it iterable
L1040[18:16:52] <Achai> payonel: imagine trying to add a new field inbetween some other fields
L1041[18:17:21] <Cruor> ... make your struct do what its supposed to do before using it everywhere? >_<
L1042[18:17:25] <payonel> Achai: it is either specified or not, and if not, it must follow a rule
L1043[18:17:32] <Vexatos> Achai, this language assumes that you have a sane IDE and not /bin/edit
L1044[18:17:37] <payonel> there is no other option
L1045[18:17:42] <Achai> Cruor: easy for you to say until it happens to you
L1046[18:17:54] <Vexatos> What else would it do
L1047[18:17:55] <Achai> >a sane IDE
L1048[18:18:03] <Achai> I did not know there was an IDE for this...
L1049[18:18:04] <Vexatos> Juno is a great julia IDE >_>
L1050[18:18:09] <Vexatos> it's the official one
L1051[18:18:16] <Achai> Its not presented on the main page
L1052[18:18:24] <Achai> Unless I really am blind
L1053[18:18:39] <Vexatos> It's mentioned on the downloads page
L1054[18:18:40] <Vexatos> like
L1055[18:18:43] <Vexatos> third sentence or so
L1056[18:18:46] <Achai> Thats the downloads page
L1057[18:18:57] <payonel> Achai: and if you added a new field, and the ctor didn't behave in an ordered way, then what? the compiler reads your mind?
L1058[18:19:00] <Achai> The downloads page isn't the page to sell you on a language
L1059[18:19:13] <Vexatos> uh
L1060[18:19:15] <Vexatos> Well
L1061[18:19:20] <Vexatos> A language having a good IDE
L1062[18:19:21] <Vexatos> is
L1063[18:19:22] <Vexatos> like
L1064[18:19:24] <Vexatos> normal?
L1065[18:19:25] <Achai> payonel: the compiler would complain, but I'd rather the ctor to have explicit named parameters
L1066[18:19:34] <Achai> Lua doesn't have good IDEs
L1067[18:19:39] <Achai> And it looks like Lua
L1068[18:19:39] <Vexatos> Lua is also from 1993
L1069[18:19:41] <Achai> so no
L1070[18:19:53] <Achai> Java is from 199x, but it has great IDEs
L1071[18:19:54] <payonel> Achai: and those were options i provided
L1072[18:19:58] <Vexatos> And zerobrane studio and IDEA are very good Lua IDEs
L1073[18:20:21] <Vexatos> Achai, named parameters work too though
L1074[18:20:24] <Achai> That one in IDEA isn't very good
L1075[18:20:27] <Vexatos> you can do new(myfield = thevalue)
L1076[18:20:32] <Achai> Vexatos: payonel: cool, i didn't know
L1077[18:20:48] <Vexatos> But then you need to make sure every value is named like that
L1078[18:20:54] <Vexatos> you can do either in sequence or by name
L1079[18:20:59] <Vexatos> not both, for obvious reasons
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L1081[18:21:59] <Vexatos> There isn't really any other option
L1082[18:22:05] <Vexatos> you must initialize all fields obviously
L1083[18:22:24] <Vexatos> there is no such thing as nil or null in Julia, well, there is, but you cannot make something have that value on purpose
L1084[18:22:45] <Achai> Are there at least namespaces?
L1085[18:22:53] <Vexatos> of course >_>
L1086[18:22:58] <Vexatos> a struct is already one
L1087[18:23:04] <Vexatos> the proper ones are module...end
L1088[18:23:22] <Vexatos> And you can import modules from other files
L1089[18:23:30] <Achai> So why are functions declared on Base then? Why not on the struct itself?
L1090[18:23:42] <Achai> s/on/in
L1091[18:23:42] <MichiBot> <Achai> So why are functiins declared on Base then? Why not on the struct itself?
L1092[18:23:42] <Vexatos> Because Julia is a functional language after all >:>
L1093[18:23:47] <Vexatos> Basically
L1094[18:23:51] <Achai> So pattern matching?
L1095[18:23:53] <Vexatos> The official reasoning
L1096[18:24:15] <Vexatos> is that Julia does not want that one parameter of the function should be considered the "owner" of the function
L1097[18:24:19] <Vexatos> like it would be in that case
L1098[18:24:25] <Vexatos> e.g. in Java where functions are inside objects
L1099[18:24:50] <Vexatos> foo.bar(baz) actually calls method bar in class Foo with the parameters foo and baz
L1100[18:25:21] <Achai> So instead, in Julia, it would be bar(foo, baz)
L1101[18:25:23] <Vexatos> foo.bar simply makes foo the first parameter
L1102[18:25:25] <Vexatos> yes
L1103[18:25:25] <Achai> Right?
L1104[18:25:32] <Vexatos> in Julia, the first parameter is not more important than the others
L1105[18:25:39] <Achai> That feels quite... cluttered
L1106[18:25:45] <Achai> To me, at least
L1107[18:25:48] <Vexatos> that's real functional programming
L1108[18:25:53] <Vexatos> in the most original sense
L1109[18:25:58] <Vexatos> in the mathematical sense, too
L1110[18:26:16] <Vexatos> Julia is a language for maths
L1111[18:26:21] <Vexatos> it's got a very mathematical syntax
L1112[18:26:39] <Vexatos> e.g. >>f(x) = 2x + 1
L1113[18:26:45] <Vexatos> works just fine as a function declaration
L1114[18:27:17] <Vexatos> You should know how maths work for this language :P
L1115[18:27:41] <Vexatos> any other questions? >_>
L1116[18:27:50] <Cruor> does it rist brød?
L1117[18:27:51] <Inari> GUI toolkits?
L1118[18:28:01] <Achai> Can it cook coke?
L1119[18:28:03] <Vexatos> Inari, there's a package system
L1120[18:28:14] <Achai> And microwave hot pockets?
L1121[18:28:15] <Vexatos> and yes, there are already things that render graphs and such
L1122[18:28:16] <Inari> Yeah, but, are there any actual UI bindings/toolkits?
L1123[18:28:26] <Achai> (I'm out of questions :[)
L1124[18:28:31] <Vexatos> I don't know
L1125[18:28:36] <Inari> Thats what always bugged me about lua :P
L1126[18:28:41] <Vexatos> my programs so far are a game of life drawn in a terminal :P
L1127[18:29:01] <Achai> If it's in that area with Haskell then I really can't complain about the design
L1128[18:29:41] <Vexatos> Cruor, https://puu.sh/wN8jg/75ab6a02e0.png
L1129[18:29:53] <Vexatos> can confirm
L1130[18:30:39] <Vexatos> Achai, it's somewhere between a true functional language, a mathematical language, and a general-purpose language like Lua or python
L1131[18:30:44] <Cruor> it works!
L1132[18:30:45] <Vexatos> Except faster than most of those
L1133[18:31:07] <Vexatos> It has Lua syntax but also mathematical syntax
L1134[18:31:18] <Vexatos> and you can make your own types
L1135[18:31:29] <Vexatos> It has everything I could ever want :I
L1136[18:31:39] <Vexatos> Cruor, you're back right?
L1137[18:31:46] <Cruor> home? yah :I
L1138[18:31:48] <Vexatos> nice
L1139[18:31:49] <Vexatos> So
L1140[18:31:56] <Vexatos> I'll be on a two-day vacation from tomorrow
L1141[18:32:00] <Vexatos> I should probably go sleep
L1142[18:32:17] <Vexatos> Achai, S3: Please direct all your Julia complaints and questions at Cruor for the time being
L1143[18:32:19] <Vexatos> good night
L1144[18:32:23] <KarMagiick> people dont sleep
L1145[18:32:28] <Vexatos> I am not a people
L1146[18:32:29] <KarMagiick> thats a myth
L1147[18:32:33] <KarMagiick> :(
L1148[18:32:56] <KarMagiick> Good night man!
L1149[18:33:02] <KarMagiick> or woman!
L1150[18:33:08] <KarMagiick> Or, theyan
L1151[18:33:17] <Vexatos> Last time I checked I was male >_>
L1152[18:33:30] <KarMagiick> The first one it is then
L1153[18:33:33] <KarMagiick> <3
L1154[18:33:36] <Achai> alright
L1155[18:33:40] <Achai> Cruor: why not a better name
L1156[18:33:49] <Achai> like Henrietta
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L1158[18:34:09] <Achai> The i is silent
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L1160[18:34:35] <Cruor> dont ask me sane questions like that
L1161[18:34:42] <Achai> the i
L1162[18:34:47] <Achai> is silent
L1163[18:34:53] <Achai> and implicit
L1164[18:34:58] <Achai> and implicit starts with an i
L1165[18:39:04] <payonel> Vexatos: c# allows mixing sequential params with named params
L1166[18:46:27] <KarMagiick> Bed time for me, good night people and not peoples <3
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L1170[18:56:55] <Achai> So uh
L1171[18:57:24] <Achai> Cruor: Why does the Java benchmark used in comparison with Julia use List<Double> instead of double[]?
L1172[18:57:40] <Cruor> uhh
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L1174[19:02:53] <AmandaC> Achai: because it makes Julia look better! </cynic>
L1175[19:03:52] <Achai> Also the C mandelbrot benchmark stores everything into a malloc'd array then sums it later
L1176[19:04:06] <Achai> the other mandel implementations sum it without an array
L1177[19:04:26] <Achai> well
L1178[19:04:37] <Achai> the Java one sums it without array, Javascript does
L1179[19:05:18] <Achai> I don't know if the Julia one is making an array or a lazily evaluated iterator
L1180[19:05:30] <Dudblockman> Jumping back and forth between lua 5.1 and 5.2 environments is driving me crazy. I make enough mistakes writing in the wrong language, now version is messing me up XD
L1181[19:05:58] <AmandaC> Clear solution: Mass murder of the mosquitos
L1182[19:06:08] <Dudblockman> Seems legit
L1183[19:06:20] <Dudblockman> Are we able to do that programatically?
L1184[19:09:47] <AmandaC> sure, just rm -rf /dev/mosquitos/*
L1185[19:09:59] <AmandaC> Requires root access*
L1186[19:11:03] <Achai> The fortran version is summing without an array
L1187[19:11:17] <Dudblockman> Excuse me, god. I'm trying to unlock the bootloader of the universe.
L1188[19:11:56] <AmandaC> No can do, it voids the warrenty and causes the buobinic plague and a massive tech loss.
L1189[19:11:57] <Achai> So uhh
L1190[19:12:06] <Achai> Cruor: you haven't answered the question
L1191[19:12:41] <Achai> (This also reminds me that I need to get the benchmarks game people to update Dart again)
L1192[19:12:54] <AmandaC> Achai: come now, it's rude to rub people's faces in the fact they drank poisoned kool-aid
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L1194[19:13:48] <Achai> But poisoned kool-aid goes great with laxatives and anthrax
L1195[19:14:31] <Achai> Oh wait, they updated Dart finally
L1196[19:16:04] <AmandaC> %choose look into making 6502-gcc compile through OBS or meh, greedo shot first.
L1197[19:16:04] <MichiBot> AmandaC: meh, greedo shot first.
L1198[19:16:17] * AmandaC nods, goes off to watch more random youtube videos
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L1200[19:22:18] <Dudblockman> hAN sHOT fIRST111!!11!1!!!!111!!
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L1207[20:25:33] <jovan> hi
L1208[20:25:40] <jovan> anyone on?
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L1210[20:26:47] <CompanionCube> jovan: maybe
L1211[20:27:12] <jovan> can i ask just a quick question cause i cant find it anywhere on the wiki or the forums
L1212[20:27:22] <jovan> what the hell are cycles and how do i avoid them, in networks
L1213[20:27:32] <jovan> ive looked everywhere
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L1215[20:28:06] <jovan> like how do i avoid duplicate messages
L1216[20:28:16] <jovan> and why do they happen
L1217[20:29:31] <AmandaC> jovan: network A has a router to talk to network B. Network B has a second router, that talks to network C, C and A are also linked.
L1218[20:29:54] <AmandaC> Rather, a third router for A C exists, ,which causes the loop
L1219[20:30:55] <jovan> ah so another router sends a message back to the first one, which sends it again
L1220[20:31:44] <AmandaC> yeah
L1221[20:32:16] <AmandaC> and it does it sufficently far down the chain that the first one doesn't recognise it's a duplicate
L1222[20:32:41] * CompanionCube wonders if OC has broadcast storms
L1223[20:33:06] <AmandaC> CompanionCube: with network loops, yes. It crippled my base. :D
L1224[20:33:22] <jovan> so is there any way to prevent that
L1225[20:33:39] <jovan> other than detecting it on the computer recieving it
L1226[20:33:43] <AmandaC> The result was my nice "clean" network seip is now a large, carefully-wired wall for my different networks
L1227[20:34:13] <AmandaC> one colour on top, then 7? routers for the different sub-network colours
L1228[20:34:23] <AmandaC> each a block apart
L1229[20:35:03] <AmandaC> ( that is R R not RR)
L1230[20:35:06] <CompanionCube> jovan: find the loops in your network
L1231[20:35:20] <CompanionCube> modify the structure to remove them as much as possible
L1232[20:35:55] <jovan> ah got it
L1233[20:36:05] <jovan> still dont fully get it tho
L1234[20:36:14] <jovan> but i fixed it i guess, thanks guys :D
L1235[20:36:28] <jovan> added a router between the 2 routers
L1236[20:36:30] <jovan> fixed it
L1237[20:36:37] <CompanionCube> jovan: you could always try something similar in real life
L1238[20:36:46] <CompanionCube> such as by plugging ac
L1239[20:37:21] * AmandaC baps at CompanionCube
L1240[20:37:35] <AmandaC> bad! Stop trying to get the nublets to release the magic smoke!
L1241[20:38:04] <CompanionCube> there's no magic smoke in ethernet cables :p
L1242[20:39:28] <CompanionCube> now i wonder if my ISP's router implements STP
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L1248[21:17:07] <CompanionCube> Izaya: surely uour routers support STP :p
L1249[21:17:31] <Izaya> I mean my fancy switch is worth like $2k new
L1250[21:19:05] * CompanionCube was just reviewing the manpage on a VM
L1251[21:20:41] <CompanionCube> Izaya: someone linked me to this on youtube: https://youtu.be/kPJ0dKCGBg8
L1252[21:20:41] <MichiBot> ProtectWise - The Immersive Grid | length: 2m 16s | Likes: 45 Dislikes: 8 Views: 7,548 | by ProtectWise | Published On 29/3/2017
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L1263[21:51:41] <AmandaC> CompanionCube: there is if you try hard enough
L1264[21:52:17] <CompanionCube> AmandaC: etherkillers don't count
L1265[21:52:41] <AmandaC> I wasn't even thinking about those
L1266[21:52:58] <AmandaC> I was thinking using them for the totally wrong purpose
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L1268[21:55:30] <AmandaC> like running 120v through it
L1269[21:56:38] <CompanionCube> isn't that the same thing
L1270[22:14:35] <AmandaC> Maybe? I was thinking of damage to the cable it self, your line made me think of port killing
L1271[22:15:07] <AmandaC> run enough current through a wire, the wire will fry
L1272[22:15:23] <AmandaC> thus, magic smoke
L1273[22:39:19] * AmandaC declares ToD on the frog, goes off to watch more KokoSuba S2
L1274[22:59:21] <Kodos> Pretty much all electronics work on smoke though, don't they?
L1275[22:59:50] <Kodos> I mean, if the smoke ever gets out, things pretty much cease to function
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