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L1[00:24:26] <payonel> does DE have a build server?
L2[00:24:40] <payonel> did brandon fix the case sensitivity issues to initilize OC?
L3[00:25:34] <brandon3055> Corded, I did. Will be in the next release
L4[00:26:17] <payonel> thanks brandon. starting a new world actually right now, i'l linclude DE and update later
L5[00:26:51] <payonel> unless you have a jenkins (or similar) i can pull your dev build from now?
L6[00:26:54] <payonel> if not, i'm good, just curious
L7[00:32:29] <Izaya> [downloading server stuff]
L8[00:33:03] <Izaya> hey payonel, setting up an MC server for running OC computers as servers, want one (or more)?
L9[00:33:45] <payonel> haha, and how do you plan to provide remote access?
L10[00:34:26] <Izaya> MultICE can do it quite happily
L11[00:34:56] <payonel> tbh, i have too many projects in my back log
L12[00:34:59] <Izaya> snsh + an IRC bridge
L13[00:35:45] <Izaya> or just plain nsh but that's sorta eh
L14[00:35:56] <payonel> nsh?
L15[00:36:12] <Izaya> network shell
L16[00:37:17] <Izaya> https://github.com/XeonSquared/multice/blob/master/modules/net/nshc-auth.lua
L17[00:38:58] <Kodos> ping, you got VAC banned a month ago? For/on what?
L18[00:46:56] <Izaya> ... Right. Debian can't run Minecraft servers.
L19[00:46:59] <Izaya> Can't do Java 8
L20[01:30:19] <Izaya> also payonel what distro do you dev ocvm on?
L21[01:30:57] <Izaya> 's not compiling on arch and I thin Debian doesn't have a new enough gcc
L22[01:32:39] <Izaya> need to change 'lua5.2' to just lua on arch
L23[01:32:45] <Izaya> and that'll probably give me 5.3
L24[01:32:50] <Izaya> wonder if 52 will work
L25[01:33:49] <Izaya> make lua=52 works also
L26[01:33:55] <Izaya> \o/
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L28[01:40:16] <Izaya> Package lua5.2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. \o/
L29[01:50:38] <payonel> Izaya: ubuntu
L30[01:58:36] <Izaya> egh
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L41[04:47:13] <Inari> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/105319361538981888/334268597679423488/eNnJ8P2.png
L42[04:53:53] <Izaya> :o
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L46[05:58:40] <se7en> Guys, am i an idiot or my "Adapter" doesnt work with RefinedStorage's Interface?
L47[05:59:15] <se7en> lua> =component.list() doesnt show my block_refinedstorage_interface ;/
L48[06:00:38] <fingercomp> maybe you don't need to use the adapter?
L49[06:01:34] <se7en> How other i would connect interface?
L50[06:01:47] <se7en> Just with OC's Cable? its not visually "connecting"
L51[06:05:54] <Vexatos> se7en, which MC version are you using
L52[06:06:02] <Vexatos> Refined Storage only has support for OC since Minecraft 1.11
L53[06:11:56] <se7en> Oh, im using 1.10.2
L54[06:12:13] <se7en> That kinda sux i guess ;/
L55[06:12:37] <se7en> There is no SkyFactory3 Modpack for 1.11 minecraft yet (from what i see in ftb) :(
L56[06:12:57] <se7en> There's no way to install sort of drivers into computer so it will work ?
L57[06:13:21] <se7en> And i guess it won't be downported ? :/
L58[06:13:31] <Vexatos> You will have to ask the refined storage dev for that
L59[06:14:54] <se7en> Fk, i guess i would have to use any "chest" for that ;/
L60[06:15:10] <Vexatos> well as a chest, it should still be accessible
L61[06:15:41] <Vexatos> se7en, you should still be able to access things with a transposer just like normal chests
L62[06:15:55] <Vexatos> just not the entire network
L63[06:16:07] <se7en> Yeah, i believe i will need to do so
L64[06:16:08] <se7en> ;/
L65[06:16:26] <se7en> And how about accesing Storage Drawers? Like with DrawerController ?
L66[06:16:31] <se7en> No implementation neither ?
L67[06:16:45] <Vexatos> Ah
L68[06:16:49] <Vexatos> that is very much supported
L69[06:17:04] <Vexatos> Pretty sure a transposer next to a drawer controller should allow you to access everything
L70[06:17:15] <Vexatos> And an adapter next to it should show you even more data if you have Computronics installed
L71[06:18:37] <se7en> ok then will try it out immediately
L72[06:20:08] <g> se7en, skyfactory3 has had its final release
L73[06:20:10] <g> just so you know
L74[06:20:13] <g> (I play it as well)
L75[06:22:41] <se7en> yeah i know that too, was just curious about better ways of what i want to achieve ;/
L76[06:23:12] <g> Depends what your end goal is
L77[06:24:16] <se7en> Program for OpenComputers that's acting like "shopping centre" where u can buy stuff from the system (ekhm, from chest) ;D
L78[06:27:28] <g> Well, you can use transposers with just about any inventory
L79[06:27:48] <g> You'll need to create a database item and fill it out though
L80[06:29:25] <Vexatos> se7en, http://vexatos.com/phora/dev/vending_machine_2.mp4
L81[06:29:26] <Vexatos> :D
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L83[06:35:34] <Dustpuppy> hi
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L85[06:48:21] <se7en> Its Nice Vexatos, similar what im trying to achieve, but i cannot interact on chest, need a GUI thingy on screen, and kinda better choosing of what u want to buy ;D
L86[06:48:36] <Vexatos> heh
L87[06:48:42] <se7en> Like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm8IFnkeB0s
L88[06:48:42] <MichiBot> market [OpenComputers] | length: 2m 43s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 39 | by Gerasim Kolesnikov | Published On 4/7/2017
L89[06:48:52] <se7en> That's why i asked @Log to help me a bit already ;)
L90[06:58:55] <se7en> Ekhm, so many problems with this...
L91[06:59:15] <se7en> chest.getInventorySize() seems like to not work because THIS: local chest = component.chest isnt working
L92[06:59:24] <se7en> any idea why my "Chest" doesnt show up on =component.list() ?
L93[06:59:33] <se7en> tried to connect chest with Adapter/Transposer
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L95[06:59:53] <g> you don't connect a chest as a component
L96[06:59:54] <LuMistry> Greetings
L97[06:59:57] <g> the transposer is the component
L98[07:00:11] <AshIndigo> Heyo LuMistry
L99[07:00:19] <LuMistry> How are you AshIndigo?
L100[07:00:35] <AshIndigo> Good you?
L101[07:01:32] <LuMistry> I am well
L102[07:05:31] <se7en> I found a program that i wanted to learn from, yet this guy had the "chest = component.chest", is this deprecated?
L103[07:08:54] <fingercomp> This is an OpenPeripheral's driver, OC never had such component. Use transposers instead.
L104[07:08:56] <Dustpuppy> can someone shoot me please?
L105[07:09:16] <AshIndigo> I'll stab you
L106[07:09:21] <AshIndigo> Its close enough right?
L107[07:09:52] <Dustpuppy> i have an error in my program and it makes no sense that it happens
L108[07:11:04] <Gavle> What does your program do?
L109[07:11:17] <Inari> Dustpuppy: Show the code :D
L110[07:11:21] <Inari> And the error
L111[07:12:21] <Dustpuppy> https://pastebin.com/J4SXwzHa
L112[07:12:25] <Dustpuppy> the code
L113[07:13:07] <Dustpuppy> https://pastebin.com/Rcft7ZXd
L114[07:13:15] <Dustpuppy> the test program
L115[07:13:38] <Gavle> That is an impressive amount of code
L116[07:13:55] <Inari> So whats the error :D
L117[07:13:58] <Gavle> It also looks like an impressive system
L118[07:14:36] <Dustpuppy> everything works, but if i have a checkbox in the first window of the test program at the 3. line of the window, it will ignore the click at the first time
L119[07:14:49] <Dustpuppy> only at this position
L120[07:14:57] <Dustpuppy> and only in the first window
L121[07:15:19] <Dustpuppy> that makes no sense, because all calculations are the same
L122[07:15:29] <Inari> that x/y position or that position in code?
L123[07:16:49] <Dustpuppy> install both parts and click the checkboxes. it's checkbox 3 (blue with "check this") in win 1
L124[07:17:01] <Gavle> You have checkboxes?
L125[07:17:08] <Gavle> I may have to investigate this further...
L126[07:17:58] <Gavle> Dustpuppy, what is the license on that library?
L127[07:18:01] <Dustpuppy> in line 1573 of the lib is the part, that check's if the box is clicked.
L128[07:18:13] <Dustpuppy> public domain
L129[07:18:19] <Gavle> Thank you
L130[07:19:39] <Inari> I wonder if my installed OC version is too old hah
L131[07:19:41] <Dustpuppy> it's only a checkbox, at position y=3 in the first window. if there's another elemnt, it works. if it's in another window, it works. just this one compination
L132[07:20:43] <Inari> Happens more often than just with that checkbox to me though
L133[07:22:13] <Dustpuppy> you mean, you have to click others also two times, before they react?
L134[07:22:20] <Izaya> tfw max the Windows Experience Index except HDD speed
L135[07:23:50] <Inari> Personally I'd prefer a OOP approach here
L136[07:23:52] <Inari> Dustpuppy: Yeah
L137[07:24:11] <Dustpuppy> i have no clue about oop
L138[07:24:30] <Dustpuppy> and learning first will take too much time
L139[07:30:14] <Inari> ~oc fs
L140[07:30:14] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem
L141[07:42:29] <se7en> Ekhm, is there any transposer API?
L142[07:42:33] <se7en> Cant find it oO
L143[07:42:51] <AshIndigo> ~w transposer
L144[07:42:51] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/block:transposer
L145[07:43:19] <se7en> And what i should see in there?
L146[07:43:40] * AshIndigo shrugs
L147[07:43:53] <AshIndigo> i was just looking to see if there was anything on there
L148[07:43:59] * Temia yawnmoos. flops over. z.z
L149[07:44:28] <Temia> Izaya, sorry, I fell asleep by the time you asked.
L150[07:44:37] * AshIndigo pets Temia
L151[07:44:41] <Temia> Let me pull them up
L152[07:44:44] <Izaya> ooo
L153[07:45:01] * Temia tailswishes lazily.
L154[07:46:05] <fingercomp> se7en: run `components -l transposer | less` in OpenOS shell
L155[07:46:38] <Izaya> maybe I should write a hinv script for OC
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L157[07:52:43] <Temia> Metafalica is an ASUS Z97-WS board with an Intel Core i7-4790K, 32GBs of RAM, a GeForce GTX 1070, a pair of Samsung EVO 840 500GB SSDs, and a pair of Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB hard drives.
L158[07:53:51] <Temia> Intel VT-d is supported, so assuming I can get the onboard graphics to work with a multimonitor configuration, the 1070 and one of the SSDs will be devoted to a Windows virtual machine named Metafalica Alpha.
L159[07:53:57] <Izaya> Very nice.
L160[07:54:19] <Izaya> Goddamn if my other 690 worked I'd do VT-d
L161[07:54:42] <Izaya> I guess I could do Linux on integrated but ehh
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L163[07:59:07] <AmandaC> %choose l or b
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L166[07:59:08] <MichiBot> AmandaC: b
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L169[07:59:26] <Temia> Mm.
L170[07:59:35] <Temia> Now I need to remember everything I installed on Alseid...
L171[07:59:55] <Izaya> :| Arch won't boot in my Xen setup on Debian stabler
L172[08:00:06] <Izaya> ... Close enough.
L173[08:00:55] <AshIndigo> %choose go big or go home
L174[08:00:56] <MichiBot> AshIndigo: go big
L175[08:03:30] <Izaya> that's inconvenient
L176[08:03:38] * Izaya sighs and forces Java 8 to install from backports
L177[08:04:31] <Izaya> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/262402514464 this looks nice
L178[08:04:33] <se7en> What am i doing wrong? Created /usr/bin/gui.lua with only: os.execute("component.gpu.setResolution(160,40)") and whenever i write "gui" it says the file "component.gpu...." is not found oO
L179[08:04:56] <Izaya> os.execute is not a shell command
L180[08:05:02] <Izaya> remove the os.execute wrapper part
L181[08:05:11] <se7en> nothing instead ?
L182[08:05:17] <Inari> Dustpuppy: You're clicking the window list the first time or something like that :P
L183[08:05:20] <Izaya> and add a local component = require "component"
L184[08:05:50] <Izaya> before the line
L185[08:05:54] <se7en> it worked, thanks
L186[08:05:58] <Izaya> \o/
L187[08:06:07] <Izaya> os.execute runs a command from the shell
L188[08:06:13] <Dustpuppy> what do you mean=
L189[08:06:15] <Inari> Dustpuppy: activemenu is 0, so it goes to 1359-1367. It find that x is between 30 and 50 and y is the right height, sets activemnu and returns
L190[08:06:15] <Dustpuppy> ?
L191[08:06:41] <Inari> The second time you click activeMenu thus is 1 (or otherwise not 0) and it doesn't do that, so it finds the checkbox
L192[08:07:02] <AmandaC> %choose code or play
L193[08:07:02] <MichiBot> AmandaC: play
L194[08:07:04] <AmandaC> hrm
L195[08:10:47] <Inari> Dustpuppy: Might not be the window list :P I haven't really looked into what menutable/activemenu does
L196[08:11:19] <Dustpuppy> i am checking if the error is in the menu part
L197[08:11:55] <Inari> But it's what I said it is, returns there and thus never reaches the checkbox code in the first pass
L198[08:12:57] <Dustpuppy> activemenu is 0. so he will not go into the menu functions
L199[08:14:05] <Dustpuppy> it's also not only in first window. the problem is allways, if the checkbox is in y = 11
L200[08:14:14] <Dustpuppy> no clue, why only there
L201[08:14:31] <Dustpuppy> only fu... line 11 on the screen
L202[08:14:47] <Inari> It does go into the if there because activemenu is 0 though :P
L203[08:15:08] <Inari> Line 1359 to 1367 is in the "else" part ofr activeMenu > 0
L204[08:16:48] <Dustpuppy> yeah, your right
L205[08:17:35] <Inari> your formatting seems a bit odd in that part :P Maybe thats from pastebin though
L206[08:18:17] <Inari> Also
L207[08:18:27] <Inari> if you're gonna write a lot of something you might want to shorten it... just more convenient xD
L208[08:18:48] <Inari> so instead of writing menuTable[id] a hundred time do somethin glike local menu = menuTable[id]
L209[08:18:50] <Inari> and then just use menu
L210[08:19:06] <Dustpuppy> i will
L211[08:19:21] <Inari> Not that its required :P{ Just looks painful to write haha
L212[08:20:18] <Izaya> -Xmx1024M -Xms256M is sane for a server, right?
L213[08:21:19] <vifino> vanilla, maybe.
L214[08:21:19] <AshIndigo> for vanilla?
L215[08:21:38] <Izaya> I'm running a single chunk,
L216[08:22:09] <Izaya> also how2increase heap space?
L217[08:22:46] <se7en> Guys im an idiot, please do help ;D
L218[08:22:48] <se7en> local function scanNet()
L219[08:22:48] <se7en> itemsNet, uiitemsNet = {}, {}
L220[08:22:48] <se7en> for i = 1, component.inventory_controller.getInventorySize(SIDE) do
L221[08:22:48] <se7en> local item_data = component.inventory_controller.getStackInSlot(SIDE,i)
L222[08:22:48] <se7en> local item = item_data.name..'|'..item_data.damage
L223[08:22:56] <Mimiru> paste. bin.
L224[08:23:05] <se7en> oh
L225[08:23:06] <se7en> ok then
L226[08:23:23] <Gavle> Izaya, heap space for Java 8?
L227[08:23:30] <Izaya> yes
L228[08:23:39] <Gavle> If I recall correctly, that is no longer a separate setting
L229[08:23:43] <Gavle> It's allocated dynamically
L230[08:23:55] <Izaya> that works
L231[08:24:07] <Izaya> I'll give the VM more than my 512M
L232[08:24:19] <se7en> https://pastebin.com/Hay7ZDCy, keep gettin an error about "attempt to index local 'item_data'" ...
L233[08:24:23] <Izaya> let's give it 1GB
L234[08:25:29] <Mimiru> s/1/10/
L235[08:25:29] <MichiBot> <Izaya> let's give it 10GB
L236[08:25:50] <Izaya> that's like, 5/8 of my server though
L237[08:25:51] <g> s/10/100/
L238[08:25:51] <MichiBot> <Izaya> let's give it 100GB
L239[08:26:01] <AshIndigo> s/GB/TB
L240[08:26:01] <MichiBot> <Izaya> let's give it 100TB
L241[08:26:11] <AmandaC> damn you AshIndigo! I was just typing that!
L242[08:26:16] <Mimiru> s/T/P/
L243[08:26:16] <MichiBot> <Izaya> let's give it 100PB
L244[08:26:17] <g> s/TB/PB/
L245[08:26:17] <MichiBot> <Izaya> let's give it 100PB
L246[08:26:18] <Gavle> Sniped
L247[08:26:19] <g> dammit
L248[08:26:21] <Izaya> that's like, lots
L249[08:26:22] <Mimiru> boom.
L250[08:26:22] <Mimiru> :p
L251[08:26:35] <Gavle> Such sniping
L252[08:26:36] <se7en> ;( lot of fun yet im still getting an errors ;(
L253[08:26:37] <Temia> Hmm.
L254[08:26:46] <Temia> Think 8GBs will be sufficient for a dedicated gaming VM?
L255[08:26:46] <g> s/P/Pi/
L256[08:26:46] <MichiBot> <Izaya> let's give it 100PiB
L257[08:26:52] <fingercomp> se7en: getStackInSlot returns nil if slot is empty. Check `item_data` for nil before indexing it.
L258[08:26:55] <Temia> Memory, I mean.
L259[08:27:04] <Temia> Or should I at least give it 12?
L260[08:27:06] <g> Temia, you mean for servers? depends on the games
L261[08:27:07] <AshIndigo> what os and what kind of games?
L262[08:27:10] <Temia> No, clients.
L263[08:27:20] <se7en> item_data gives me info about 64 chests that are there
L264[08:27:21] <Izaya> Temia: you have 32, give it 16
L265[08:27:24] <Mimiru> se7en, I don't know lua, and have to leave for work anyway.. sooooooo
L266[08:27:32] <g> 8 should be enough for most
L267[08:27:37] <Izaya> use a balloon driver if possible so you can deallocate unused memory
L268[08:27:38] <Temia> B-but muh workspace D:
L269[08:27:44] <Temia> Oh, good point.
L270[08:28:02] <Temia> If I'm busy playing FFXIV, it's not like I'm doing a whole lot else at that moment.
L271[08:28:32] <Izaya> Yup.
L272[08:28:37] <Mimiru> Speaking of, Temia I tried to invite you to my wedding.. but you never replied to me! :P
L273[08:28:39] <Izaya> Does qemu/kvm have a balloon driver?
L274[08:28:41] <Temia> Eh? D:
L275[08:28:50] <Temia> I didn't see anything!
L276[08:28:58] <Temia> Did you not PM me?
L277[08:29:01] <Inari> se7en: well getStackInSlot still returns a nil if its empty
L278[08:29:23] <vifino> gamax92: You don't happen to have a ported version of LTR for Lua 5.3, do you?
L279[08:29:43] <g> I use proxmox as my VM host and, using qemu, it seems to dynamically allocate memory to the VM by default
L280[08:29:49] <g> instead of just reserving a big chunk
L281[08:29:51] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/chrome_2017-07-11_08-29-29.png then I PMed you shortly after
L282[08:30:04] <Izaya> g: linux or windows VMs?
L283[08:30:14] <g> I only have linux VMs
L284[08:30:26] <Izaya> looking into it, the virtio-balloon driver is p. standard for linux but you need third-party stuff on Windows
L285[08:30:31] <Izaya> and by third-party I mean red hat
L286[08:30:35] <Temia> ...I received nothing on this end ._.
L287[08:30:36] <Mimiru> Oh for fucks sake..
L288[08:30:37] <Temia> I'm sorry.
L289[08:30:46] <Mimiru> I typoed your name in the /query
L290[08:30:48] <Mimiru> ._.
L291[08:31:11] <Temia> orz
L292[08:31:17] <Izaya> is there a mod that allows generating single block worlds?
L293[08:31:24] * Mimiru sighs
L294[08:31:27] <Mimiru> Anyway, work
L295[08:31:29] * Temia hugs
L296[08:31:30] <vifino> Teemoa?
L297[08:31:37] <Temia> I hope the wedding went well, at least.
L298[08:32:22] <g> Izaya, there are skyblock mods that can do it
L299[08:32:32] <Temia> And you have my (admittedly belated) congratulations as well.
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L301[08:33:15] <AmandaC> %choose stellarus or other
L302[08:33:15] <MichiBot> AmandaC: stellarus
L303[08:33:29] * AmandaC goes to further the catopia empire
L304[08:34:30] <Izaya> g: link?
L305[08:34:35] <g> Don't have one to hand, sorry
L306[08:34:39] <Izaya> eh ok
L307[08:34:41] <g> I don't know what the mods actually are
L308[08:34:46] <Izaya> all good
L309[08:34:48] <g> just that I use a modpack that generates a world like that
L310[08:34:51] <Izaya> I'll download a single block world
L311[08:34:54] <g> (one dirt block with a tree on it)
L312[08:35:27] <g> it might be ex niliho or that botania skyblock extension
L313[08:35:28] <g> but i'm not sure
L314[08:35:36] <g> niliho? nihilo? nihilio?
L315[08:36:07] <vifino> nihilo
L316[08:36:32] <g> gesundheit
L317[08:37:30] <vifino> danke.
L318[08:39:28] <Izaya> argh
L319[08:39:36] <Izaya> server won't let me set view distance to 0
L320[08:40:13] <g> no
L321[08:40:20] <g> I guess it has to be 1
L322[08:40:30] <Izaya> which means it's trying to load empty chunks >.>
L323[08:40:37] <Gavle> Why would you want a view distance of 0?
L324[08:40:46] <Izaya> I only intend to run one chunk.
L325[08:41:21] <Gavle> So many questions. I'll ask the one I want/fear to know. Why?
L326[08:41:24] <AmandaC> oh good, Stellaris doesn't work under wayland on linux. \o/
L327[08:41:46] <Izaya> I'm going to run dedicated OC servers, Gavle
L328[08:42:05] <Gavle> Ok
L329[08:42:07] <Izaya> I'm going cheap on resources by stacking as much as possible into a single chunk
L330[08:42:17] <Gavle> I don't see why it's a big deal to have a view distance of 1
L331[08:42:37] <Izaya> yeah considering there's no blocks it mdoesn't really make much difference
L332[08:42:46] <AmandaC> it meand 9 chunks will be loaded instead of 1
L333[08:43:31] <Gavle> AmandaC, yes, but that shouldn't be a big deal for any capable IRL machine
L334[08:43:40] <Gavle> Especially if there is nothing in those chunks
L335[08:43:40] <Izaya> It's not an IRL machine
L336[08:43:43] <Izaya> It's a virtual machine
L337[08:43:55] <Izaya> and I really don't want to give it more than 512M of RAM
L338[08:44:00] <Gavle> For the purposes of my comment, same thing.
L339[08:44:53] <Izaya> Oh right, they removed block IDs and replaced them with Minetest-style tags
L340[08:44:55] <Gavle> In any event, such is your situation.
L341[08:45:04] <Izaya> despite still handling them internally as numbers
L342[08:46:10] <g> They're only handled internally as numbers relative to each chunk I think
L343[08:48:50] <Izaya> Hm, 512k is enough storage for a server I think
L344[08:49:43] <Gavle> 512KB? For an OC or IRL server? What storage media?
L345[08:50:02] <Izaya> OC server
L346[08:50:18] <Izaya> the OS is only about 20k all up, with most of the useful libs
L347[08:50:30] <Izaya> I could probably get away with no real storage, only have /tmp
L348[08:50:34] <g> world'll be bigger than that
L349[08:50:45] <g> since it has player data, stats, scoreboards, etc
L350[08:50:52] <Izaya> g: ingame server :P
L351[08:50:59] <Gavle> I don't understand how you can use 512KB without config editing?
L352[08:51:09] <Gavle> HDD's start at 1MB
L353[08:51:10] <g> ah right :P
L354[08:51:14] <Izaya> Gavle: floppy disk
L355[08:51:24] <Izaya> ideally I can avoid any fixed storage though
L356[08:52:06] <Gavle> Ah
L357[08:52:19] <Gavle> I don't see why you would actively try to avoid fixed storage
L358[08:52:21] <Izaya> netboot + 64k /tmp should be fine
L359[08:52:25] <Gavle> Seems like more trouble than it's worth.
L360[08:52:28] <Izaya> Because managing it remotely is a pain
L361[08:52:38] <Gavle> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L362[08:52:49] <Izaya> If I need to wipe a server I can just tell it to shutdown then wake it up over the network
L363[08:52:58] <Izaya> and I can send a custom image for every machine
L364[08:54:04] <Izaya> 'sides, I can't think of many uses of an OC dedicated server that would actually use 64k
L365[08:54:23] <Izaya> (also, I can do a diskless server with just a microcontroller)
L366[08:55:00] <Gavle> If you can't find a use that would consume 64K of storage, you're doing it wrong
L367[08:55:10] <Izaya> What would use 64k of storage?
L368[08:55:20] <Izaya> I can rebuild my whole OS in 64k
L369[08:55:38] <Gavle> Any highly sophisticated program would
L370[08:55:59] <Izaya> s/sophisticated/bloated/
L371[08:56:00] <MichiBot> <Gavle> Any highly bloated program would
L372[08:56:05] <Gavle> A 100% TACEATS-U installation would probably brush the limit, but that's MGR in absentia's domain
L373[08:56:22] <Izaya> Not really the idea for this stuff
L374[08:56:23] <Gavle> There are programs that aren't bloated and would use 64K
L375[08:56:33] <Izaya> I intend to use these mostly for hosting gopher sites and such
L376[08:56:41] <Gavle> Just because it wasn't your intent, doesn't mean my point is invalid
L377[08:56:59] <Izaya> Anyway, I'll have nodes with actual storage
L378[08:57:05] <Izaya> They still won't store the OS on them though
L379[08:57:23] <Gavle> Also, gopher is old, but I'm not even going to bother going down that route.
L380[08:57:32] <Izaya> It's perfect for OC though!
L381[08:57:40] <Gavle> I disagree, but whatever.
L382[08:57:41] <Izaya> Text only screens, a simple protocol...
L383[08:58:17] <Izaya> What would be better for OC?
L384[08:58:30] <Gavle> Like I said, I'm not going to go down this route.
L385[08:58:36] <Izaya> Legitimately curious about your opinion
L386[08:58:37] <Gavle> You and I are diametrically opposed on idealogy
L387[08:59:28] <Izaya> wouldn't "totally" have sufficed?
L388[08:59:54] <Gavle> What?
L389[09:00:17] <Izaya> unneccesarily large words
L390[09:00:38] <Gavle> It was not unnecessary.
L391[09:01:04] <Izaya> Alright \o/
L392[09:01:16] <Gavle> Indubitably!
L393[09:01:32] <Izaya> ...
L394[09:02:14] <Gavle> As I said, diametrically opposed.
L395[09:02:25] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/Y57ADrm.png o.O
L396[09:02:42] <Izaya> Difference between boot memory and once I asked it about memory is quite significant
L397[09:02:46] <Izaya> Must've gc'd
L398[09:04:47] <Gavle> Yes.
L399[09:04:57] <Michiyo> Temia, it went great, Naomi, Myself, and our One guest had fun.. lol
L400[09:05:23] <Temia> Aw. D: Would that I have been there to round it out to four
L401[09:05:31] <Temia> Did you get some cute pictures at least?
L402[09:05:42] <Michiyo> I tried to record it.. but sharex and ffmpeg went fucking stupid :(
L403[09:06:19] <Izaya> I really need to update the lua shell MultICE uses
L404[09:06:27] <Michiyo> it spit out a 45mb file, that was totally trash.. :/
L405[09:07:55] <Temia> Aw ._.
L406[09:08:37] <Temia> I know how that goes. Mine was streamed, but for some reason the video wasn't archived so that was it.
L407[09:08:42] * Izaya hmms
L408[09:11:16] <g> Michiyo, don't use sharex for long-term recording
L409[09:11:20] <g> it's really bad at that
L410[09:11:24] <g> like, really bad
L411[09:11:29] <g> but then, it's not designed for it
L412[09:11:43] <g> maybe try xsplit, I think there's a free version that can record
L413[09:11:50] <g> OBS can record as well
L414[09:12:06] <Michiyo> I'll take "Things to have known last month" for 1000 Alex
L415[09:12:12] <g> :P
L416[09:14:16] <Izaya> tfw double-layer metatables
L417[09:15:50] <Kris> my server has some kind of error and the stupid serverstart.bat has a shit ton of code so if it encounter's and error og warning it will automaticaly restart itself so i can't see the error/warning and it is some kind off error/warning that doesn't trigger the .log event so the server doesn't create a log file -.-
L418[09:16:48] <Gavle> Ok. Is this related to OpenComputers?
L419[09:16:51] <Michiyo> simple solution... run the server jar yourself.
L420[09:16:55] <Izaya> ~w internet
L421[09:16:56] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:internet
L422[09:16:57] <Gavle> Have you tried removing mods?
L423[09:17:06] <Gavle> What is in serverstart.bat?
L424[09:17:38] <Gavle> Also, what do you mean by so if it encounter's and error og warning?
L425[09:17:47] <Gavle> Maybe disable automatic restarts?
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L428[09:25:39] <FLORANA> hey i need some help... i'm trying to download a converted DFPWM file from my https website and wget keeps giving me a HTLM webpage saying javascript is required
L429[09:30:11] <Izaya> upload it somewhere simpler
L430[09:30:15] <Izaya> eg mixtape.moe
L431[09:30:35] <FLORANA> what?
L432[09:30:44] <Izaya> upload the dfpwm file somewhere simpler
L433[09:30:46] <Vexatos> You need a website with a direct download URL
L434[09:30:53] <Izaya> ie that doesn't need javashit
L435[09:30:53] <Vexatos> Also, you do not need to use wget
L436[09:31:00] <Vexatos> you can use tape directly
L437[09:31:11] <FLORANA> don't this uses HTTPS?
L438[09:31:16] <Vexatos> just do 'tape write <URL>'
L439[09:31:19] <Vexatos> It can use HTTPS
L440[09:31:22] <FLORANA> nope
L441[09:31:27] <Vexatos> But it has to be a direct download link
L442[09:31:41] <FLORANA> tape will not accept HTTPS protocal
L443[09:31:49] <FLORANA> my friend already try'd it
L444[09:31:54] <Vexatos> Update Computronics >_>
L445[09:31:57] <Vexatos> and then update the tape program
L446[09:32:04] <Vexatos> I fixed that like a year ago >_>
L447[09:34:22] <FLORANA> https://paste.pc-logix.com/uwelokixem
L448[09:34:22] <FLORANA> and theres 1.6.4...
L449[09:34:30] <FLORANA> i'll tell my friend to update the apck
L450[09:34:33] <FLORANA> *pack
L451[09:35:38] <Izaya> tfw writing a program in-game using skex
L452[09:35:43] <Izaya> this'll be interesting
L453[09:35:48] <Izaya> I don't even remember half the commands
L454[09:35:49] <gamax92> terrible
L455[09:36:53] <Izaya> plan for later: skvi
L456[09:36:59] <Izaya> like skex but visual
L457[09:37:39] <gamax92> skemacs
L458[09:37:52] <Izaya> like emacs but forth and with a sk at the start
L459[09:37:54] <Temia> Hmm.
L460[09:37:59] <Temia> What display manager do I want today?
L461[09:38:05] <Temia> Something I can make cute...
L462[09:38:09] <Izaya> LightDM works well
L463[09:38:14] <gamax92> lightdm
L464[09:38:16] <Izaya> can apply gtk themes and a background
L465[09:38:19] <Izaya> also icon themes
L466[09:38:27] <gamax92> and make cute
L467[09:38:33] <Izaya> bonus points: use a custom icon theme for the express purpose of cute
L468[09:38:48] <Temia> ...so LightDM seems pretty unanimous so far
L469[09:38:48] <gamax92> cute font
L470[09:39:04] <Izaya> well, all the other options suck
L471[09:39:04] <gamax92> It's a good dm
L472[09:39:56] <FLORANA> so how do i download my file onto my tape without computronics v1.6.4?
L473[09:40:08] <FLORANA> or is there no way?
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L477[09:41:56] <Izaya> I crashed skex already
L478[09:41:58] <Izaya> yay
L479[09:42:05] <FLORANA> why was the IRC disconnet message deleted from discord?
L480[09:42:50] <Dustpuppy> at a checkbox is it better to enable the click only on the checkbox it self, or also on the text
L481[09:43:38] * Izaya votes also text
L482[09:43:54] <Inari> I say text too
L483[09:44:06] <lawful_lazy> Double-checking because last time failed; is this this OpenComputers IRC?
L484[09:44:17] <Temia> You are in th eright place, yes.
L485[09:44:22] <lawful_lazy> Awesome!
L486[09:44:25] <Dustpuppy> ok, then i leave it like it is. :-)
L487[09:45:11] <Gavle> Only on the checkbox itself
L488[09:45:17] <FLORANA> accualy have enyone made a discord client in OC? (i know VC isn't posible, but i wana see what would it be like if it was X3)
L489[09:45:30] <Inari> @Gavie I hate UIs that do that :P
L490[09:45:40] <Inari> Make me click the tiny field when I could just more comfortably click the text
L491[09:45:51] <Izaya> It'd be doabler Florana but from what I've heard the Discord API is obnoxious
L492[09:45:54] <Gavle> But doing it reduces the chances of accidentally clicking something else.
L493[09:46:12] <Izaya> generally, it's better to give people more error area to hover over things
L494[09:46:23] <Izaya> hence why important stuff like the applications menu is in the corner of the screen
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L496[09:47:11] <Gavle> Checkbox only still leaves less room for error.
L497[09:47:44] <Izaya> That's the point though, with a pointer you want to give the user the most - do whatever
L498[09:47:50] <LizzyTheKitty> @FLORANA OC would need native https support, cant remember if it has that
L499[09:47:55] <LizzyTheKitty> but it shouldn't be too hard
L500[09:48:05] <Izaya> o.O io isn't in my everything-noinit config
L501[09:48:10] <Gavle> @LizzyTheKitty I believe it does
L502[09:48:20] <Izaya> I can use wget to download HTTPS urls
L503[09:48:41] <Inari> I think Izaya meant "error area" as in, you don't have to be suuuuper precise to click something :P
L504[09:48:59] <Gavle> A checkbox does not require unrealistic precision.
L505[09:49:18] <Inari> Like the X being for close-window int he top right, you can just drag the mouse top right and click, you'll hit it
L506[09:49:21] <FLORANA> so `wget <URL> file.type` > `tape write file.type`?
L507[09:49:36] <Inari> @Gavle still nicer to be able to check it quickly because you need to not be as precise
L508[09:50:01] <Gavle> But it also decreases the margin of safety.
L509[09:50:11] <Gavle> That increases the risk of mistakes.
L510[09:50:16] <Inari> Eh dunno
L511[09:50:27] <Inari> You don't keep pushing on yuor mouse button unless you intend to click
L512[09:50:32] <Inari> You feel if you click and thus you see if something changes
L513[09:50:37] <Dustpuppy> ok, ok...i've changed to the box only
L514[09:50:38] <Inari> So even if somehow you misclick, you'd see
L515[09:50:49] <Gavle> Ideally yes, but people don't always act logically.
L516[09:51:05] <Gavle> Thank you Dustpuppy.
L517[09:51:10] <Dustpuppy> peaople never act logically
L518[09:51:13] <Dustpuppy> ;-)
L519[09:51:40] <Izaya> Dustpuppy: have it configurable
L520[09:51:42] <Izaya> by the user
L521[09:51:44] <Izaya> :D
L522[09:52:01] <Izaya> do you have a global config file for your GUI stuff?
L523[09:52:08] <Gavle> I strive for balance, but many err more towards one side.
L524[09:52:10] <Dustpuppy> not yet
L525[09:52:20] <Izaya> that may be useful
L526[09:52:22] * Izaya shrugs
L527[09:52:26] <Inari> In fact it's also annoying when you click the text and think it's checked
L528[09:52:28] <Inari> but it isn't :P
L529[09:52:38] <Gavle> What would they configure with the GUI system?
L530[09:52:57] <Inari> The checkbox thing, for example
L531[09:53:20] <Dustpuppy> gavle: colors? or styles?
L532[09:53:25] <Gavle> Yes, but I feel like that would add unnecessary complications to an already extensive program.
L533[09:53:47] <Skye> Get real world users to test it
L534[09:53:51] <Inari> It's very necessary to be configurable
L535[09:53:54] <Izaya> Default colours, stuff like checkbox behavior
L536[09:54:03] <Gavle> Colors and styles should maybe be passed as arguments to construction of windows and objects? I'm not informed on how your program works, so I don't know how things are constructed, but that seems to be the most viable way to do it.
L537[09:54:03] <Izaya> If stuff isn't sufficiently configurable it'll annoy people.
L538[09:54:10] <Temia> lightdm boots. xfce4 boots. \o/
L539[09:54:17] <Izaya> good choices Temia :3
L540[09:54:23] <Gavle> Inari, not everything must be configurable.
L541[09:54:23] <Inari> If its passed as an argument it doesn't allow the user to configure it
L542[09:54:31] <Temia> I've been using xfce4 for a while. :'D
L543[09:54:42] <Inari> @Gavle If you want to enforce your silly way of checking checkboxes, I'll enforce it being configurable :P
L544[09:54:43] <Temia> There's a lot I'm going to need to do still, but...
L545[09:54:43] <Gavle> Argument passing is the ultimate in configurability, because you can pass whatever you want.
L546[09:54:58] <Inari> @Gavle except you can't since you migth use software made by not you
L547[09:55:03] <Gavle> And you are not limited to a global configuration.
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L549[09:55:13] <Gavle> That is true.
L550[09:55:37] <se7en> Guys, how do i actually "connect" robot so i can access it through component.robot ?
L551[09:56:01] <Izaya> why is io not in my default build? o.O
L552[09:56:02] <Gavle> Then I would place it more on that program to be configurable, not a GUI toolkit configuration file.
L553[09:56:17] <Inari> The program needs to store it somewhere
L554[09:56:41] <Inari> And I don't want to rely on a random programmer including my checkbox functioanlity :D
L555[09:56:43] <Gavle> What program needs to store what somewhere?
L556[09:56:45] <Temia> "Hmm, what fonts do I want?"
L557[09:56:53] <Temia> #pacman -S $(pacman -Ssq ttf-)
L558[09:56:56] <Temia> "Perfect."
L559[09:57:25] <Izaya> Mildly extreme: the user should generally be able to control how stuff on their computer looks
L560[09:57:45] <Izaya> The program itself can go to hell, if the user wants a black background and white background, they get it.
L561[09:57:48] <Gavle> Inari, furthermore, most software is modifiable, so just edit the program if it does not support a configuration file.
L562[09:57:57] <Izaya> Less extreme: allow configuring defaults if the program doesn't set it
L563[09:58:19] <Inari> @Gavle: Yeah, I'm not going to recode half the program to make all checkbox labels clickable
L564[09:58:25] <Dustpuppy> 1848 lines and i am still not finished. lot of element missing
L565[09:58:28] <Gavle> And that's something very easily done on the GUI toolkit end. I just don't see the need for a configuration file.
L566[09:58:42] <Inari> Dustpuppy: You should split up some of the big functions btw :P Like that touch callback
L567[09:58:46] <Gavle> Inari, then deal with non-clickable checkbox labels?
L568[09:59:01] <Inari> @Gavle Why would I deal with terrible UX decisions
L569[09:59:25] <Dustpuppy> Inari: will not make it shorter
L570[09:59:27] <Gavle> It's not a terrible decision.
L571[09:59:36] <Inari> Dustpuppy: But more readable and maintainable
L572[09:59:39] <Skye> Why not test users than assume
L573[09:59:57] <Skye> You're all stupid if you assume rather than test
L574[10:00:17] <Gavle> Presumably, we are users.
L575[10:00:32] <Gavle> And Dustpuppy asked our opinions.
L576[10:00:41] <Inari> Skye: Most of us probabl used checkboxes before in our lives
L577[10:01:07] <Temia> ...oh, it's still using Vesa. I should probably work on that.
L578[10:01:08] <Skye> I don't mind if the text is click able or not
L579[10:01:43] <Skye> But I think more space of is needed for inaccuracies in mouse pointer movement
L580[10:01:49] <Temia> ...I'll install the intel video driver for now, just to avoid running into issues when I start setting up kvm. Can't use it properly yet since the monitors are DVI/VGA and the motherboard has HDMI/DP, but I'm working on that.
L581[10:01:56] <Gavle> Inaccuracy is bad though.
L582[10:02:11] <Inari> No, inaccuracy means stuff isn't a pain to click
L583[10:02:12] <Skye> Can you click pixel perfectly?
L584[10:02:22] <Izaya> Inaccuracy exists when dealing with user interfaces.
L585[10:02:26] <Gavle> And, while I haven't seen a picture of a textbox's relative size, I assume it isn't so small ludicrous precision is needed.
L586[10:02:42] <Skye> Seriously, look for mile high menu bar.
L587[10:02:51] <Gavle> Why?
L588[10:02:54] <Skye> It's a concept that more space is better
L589[10:03:11] <Inari> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law basically
L590[10:04:21] <Gavle> More space is better, yes, but efficiency of space is equally, if not more, important after a certain point.
L591[10:04:51] <Izaya> You're already using the space for the description of the textbox though.
L592[10:05:04] <Izaya> s/text/check/
L593[10:05:04] <MichiBot> <Izaya> You're already using the space for the description of the checkbox though.
L594[10:05:18] <Gavle> That is true, and I realized my error after the statement.
L595[10:05:27] <Skye> Basically
L596[10:05:43] <Inari> Also
L597[10:05:45] <Izaya> side note being able to hotswap disks once the OS is running is really nice
L598[10:05:46] <Inari> My OC doesn't like your program :P
L599[10:05:52] <Inari> Tickets checkboxes go [??]
L600[10:05:53] <Gavle> A corallary to my above statement is that requiring some measure of precision is wholesome for ensuring the integrity of the system and reducing end-user error.
L601[10:06:27] <Inari> *ticked checkboxes
L602[10:06:42] <Skye> @Gavle, seriously? That's... Ugh.
L603[10:06:45] <Dustpuppy> Inari: what do u mean ur oc didn't like it?
L604[10:06:57] <Inari> Ticked checkboxes show up as [??]
L605[10:07:14] <Dustpuppy> shit...fu....aaaaaaarrrrrrggggg
L606[10:07:16] <Gavle> Skye, expound when you can.
L607[10:07:17] <Dustpuppy> unicode
L608[10:07:31] <gamax92> That was unnecessary
L609[10:07:38] <Inari> Ideally dont use unicode chars directly I guess
L610[10:07:44] <Inari> Use them via their code
L611[10:07:49] * Michiyo yawns
L612[10:07:55] <gamax92> hey Michiyo
L613[10:07:57] <Inari> ~oc unicode
L614[10:07:57] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:unicode
L615[10:08:00] <Michiyo> Hi gamax92
L616[10:08:15] <Izaya> yay my terrible netboot server works kinda
L617[10:09:06] <Skye> @Gavle, you're basically saying that things shouldn't be easy to use
L618[10:09:16] <Gavle> That is not what I am saying.
L619[10:09:25] <Inari> Exactly, cause as we all know easiness means more user error
L620[10:09:41] <Dustpuppy> Inari: is there a little dot blinking in the top right corner of screen?
L621[10:09:43] <Gavle> I don't see the correlation.
L622[10:09:43] <Skye> That's what it sounded like.
L623[10:09:48] <Izaya> ^
L624[10:09:49] <Inari> Hence to open doors you now have to hold down two button while pushing down the handle
L625[10:09:53] <Inari> Just in case you might push it on accident
L626[10:10:08] <Inari> Dustpuppy: There was something blinking, but I don't think it was a dot :P
L627[10:10:15] <Gavle> That is not what I would do.
L628[10:10:24] <Gavle> I would design a better doorknob.
L629[10:10:30] <Dustpuppy> ok, ich change all unicode parts
L630[10:10:53] <Skye> We're not designing a child proof UI
L631[10:11:02] <Skye> We're designing a child usable UI
L632[10:11:14] <Gavle> Same thing.
L633[10:11:31] <Skye> Nope
L634[10:11:50] <Skye> It is not.
L635[10:12:36] * Izaya considers using the word diametrically but in doing so and announcing it on IRC he has already stated it
L636[10:12:39] <Gavle> Error reduction, when gone too far, can indeed turn into user unfriendliness. However, the two are not comensurate.
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L638[10:13:08] <Gavle> Error reduction can be achieved without user unfriendliness, and my proposition accomplishes that.
L639[10:14:00] <Skye> Have you got a mathematical law for it?
L640[10:14:14] <Gavle> Not yet.
L641[10:14:25] <Izaya> Skye: you're good at this stuff
L642[10:14:30] <Izaya> I'm designing a netboot protocol
L643[10:14:35] <Skye> Fitt's Law is old and it's true
L644[10:14:37] <Skye> Izaya, Uhoh
L645[10:14:46] <Izaya> see the thing is
L646[10:14:52] <Izaya> the protocol itself is dumb and simple
L647[10:15:07] <Skye> Whats wrong?
L648[10:15:07] <gamax92> I need to redo a protocol
L649[10:15:19] <Gavle> The minor amount of time it takes to move your mouse a few pixels will probably be gained back from reduced error rates.
L650[10:15:20] <Izaya> client requests, server sends a bunch of data, client reads until it gets ".", loads it and runs it
L651[10:15:46] <Izaya> now the thing is
L652[10:16:08] <Izaya> I'm using it to serve customized images
L653[10:16:18] <Izaya> ie the server builds an image based on the client address
L654[10:16:27] <Izaya> How do I want to store that sort of data?
L655[10:16:29] <Izaya> CSVs?
L656[10:16:58] <Izaya> The data is basically just this network address = this hostname and this password
L657[10:17:13] <Izaya> ~w modem
L658[10:17:14] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:modem
L659[10:17:21] <Skye> @Gavle, that only works if your UI is the only UI the user interacts with it.
L660[10:17:37] <Gavle> What?
L661[10:17:43] <Skye> Izaya, I see... What data does it need to store?
L662[10:18:04] <Skye> @Gavle, you're punishing people who are used to other US.
L663[10:18:06] <Skye> UIs
L664[10:18:20] <Izaya> Skye: that's the thing
L665[10:18:26] <Izaya> I kind want it to be able to store different stuff
L666[10:18:27] <Gavle> I don't see the punishment, only the reward.
L667[10:18:38] <Skye> What reward?
L668[10:18:51] <Izaya> because basically all it does is concatenate stuff so
L669[10:19:00] <Skye> Like... It's not your job to teach. It's your job to be usable.
L670[10:19:04] <Gavle> Reduced error rates.
L671[10:19:19] <Gavle> My job is something you do not need to know.
L672[10:19:28] <Skye> That seriously sounds like bovine excrement marketing.
L673[10:19:36] <Skye> "reduced error rates"
L674[10:19:45] <Gavle> It's true.
L675[10:19:54] <Skye> Show me the proof.
L676[10:20:19] <Skye> Izaya, so a client asks a server for an image, receives an image to boot.
L677[10:20:33] <Izaya> yup
L678[10:21:13] <Skye> You need a way for the server to decide what image to send?
L679[10:21:46] <Izaya> No
L680[10:21:53] <Izaya> It sends the same image with some stuff modified
L681[10:22:22] <Skye> What's modified?
L682[10:22:25] <Gavle> Skye, I don't have a UI to demonstrate with. I also tend to try to avoid programs that end-users will be interfering with, which has had to be amended as of late.
L683[10:22:49] <Skye> So you have no experience in end user UI.
L684[10:23:14] <Gavle> Correct, but I can think theoretically, based off my experiences as a user.
L685[10:23:21] <Izaya> Skye: parameters for stuff
L686[10:23:26] <Izaya> ie nID = "stuff"
L687[10:23:33] <Skye> If you can come up with a decent refutal of Fitt's Law, then I'd like to see it.
L688[10:23:42] <Izaya> that changes based on address
L689[10:23:43] <Gavle> I did.
L690[10:23:53] <Skye> @Gavle, no you didn't.
L691[10:24:04] <Gavle> But it's only a partial one, because Fitt's Law overrides it after a point.
L692[10:24:34] <Skye> What if the user has NO WAY TO CORRECT THEIR MOUSE MOVEMENTS?
L693[10:24:39] <Skye> As in
L694[10:24:48] <Skye> They have a disability
L695[10:25:36] <Skye> What then?
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L697[10:25:57] <Gavle> Until I see a graphical comparison of the size of a checkbox and text, I doubt that text will offer more vertical area to click on. That would still pose an issue for a disabled person.
L698[10:26:08] <Gavle> The solution would be a larger checkbox.
L699[10:26:24] <Skye> Okay, but the more area, the easier to click
L700[10:26:49] <Gavle> It also depends on the shape of the area.
L701[10:27:03] <Skye> Larger checkbox without text < smaller checkbox with text
L702[10:27:05] <se7en> Guys, one important thing please... I got Adapter with Drawer Controller on TOP, and Transposer with a chest BELOW, how do i actually transfer from drawers to chest?
L703[10:27:15] <Gavle> A line 1 million pixels wide but with 1 pixel height would be very hard to click
L704[10:27:19] <se7en> Any example appreciated
L705[10:27:46] <Gavle> Skye, based on my reasoning with vertical area, I disagree with your inequality assertion.
L706[10:28:08] <Skye> With a wide area, you just need to get the vertical right
L707[10:28:18] <Skye> Moving vertical might change horizontal
L708[10:28:44] <Skye> So more width makes it easier
L709[10:29:00] <Skye> ~w transposer
L710[10:29:00] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/block:transposer
L711[10:29:08] <Gavle> What do you mean by "moving vertical might change horizontal"?
L712[10:29:12] <Skye> ~w transposer component
L713[10:29:12] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/component:trading
L714[10:29:28] <Izaya> fsck I love metatables
L715[10:29:31] <Skye> @Gavle, you can't move a mouse in a line.
L716[10:29:40] <Izaya> I can make misses return something default
L717[10:29:46] <Skye> Wider makes it easier
L718[10:30:55] <Temia> Oh right, vivaldi's still on AUR :(
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L720[10:31:20] <Inari> AUR?
L721[10:31:29] <Gavle> Skye, your first statement is correct. Your second statement is usually correct.
L722[10:31:46] <Gavle> My point still remains valid and unassailed however, which I doubt was your intent.
L723[10:31:55] <Izaya> Arch User Repository
L724[10:31:57] <Skye> No it doesn't.
L725[10:32:11] <Inari> Why's it bad for vivaldi to be on that
L726[10:32:14] <Gavle> I fail to see how you have arrived at that conclusion.
L727[10:32:24] <Izaya> Inari: more work to install
L728[10:32:26] <Skye> Being forgiving allows inaccuracies
L729[10:32:42] <Izaya> either git clone and makepkg -s to compile from source or use an AUR helper that does that for you
L730[10:32:44] <Gavle> And inaccuracies are bad.
L731[10:32:52] <Inari> ?.?
L732[10:33:16] <Skye> You're punishing people who aren't pixel perfect.
L733[10:33:18] <Izaya> Inari: the AUR is for build scripts, not built packages
L734[10:33:30] <Skye> That's... Frustrating for me. Unusable for certain people
L735[10:33:33] <Izaya> ie it's less convenient to install
L736[10:33:34] <Temia> Which means EFFORT
L737[10:33:37] <Temia> Blah.
L738[10:33:39] <Inari> So whats the conveninet alternative
L739[10:34:01] <Temia> I should ask around for AUR helpers. From what I recall, pacaur stopped being cool right after I installed it last time
L740[10:34:08] <Temia> Inari: The official repositories, which are prebuilt--
L741[10:34:08] <Temia> ...
L742[10:34:11] <Temia> WAIT that's it!
L743[10:34:16] <Gavle> Skye, I'm not demanding perfection. That would be unattainable for all, including me.
L744[10:34:17] * Temia roots around on her old SSD
L745[10:34:31] <Skye> @Gavle it sounds like it
L746[10:34:50] <Gavle> Skye, unless checkboxes are 1 pixel in area, I am not.
L747[10:34:54] <g> Izaya, it's for build scripts yes but uh.. that doesn't mean they aren't prebuilt
L748[10:35:05] <Temia> Thank you for rmeinding me, I completely forgot to copy over my pacman configurations
L749[10:35:05] <Gavle> If they are, that should be changed.
L750[10:35:07] <g> vivaldi from AUR downloads the rpm for vivaldi
L751[10:35:10] <Izaya> g: generally stuff isn't without a fair bit of setup
L752[10:35:15] <g> and manually installs that
L753[10:35:17] <Izaya> why not build vivaldi from source?
L754[10:35:21] <g> because it's not open source
L755[10:35:25] <Temia> Which include the herecura repsitories :D
L756[10:35:32] <Temia> Effort!
L757[10:35:35] <Izaya> why would you use a closed source browser?
L758[10:35:39] <Izaya> ?.?
L759[10:35:39] <g> because it's good? :P
L760[10:35:43] <Izaya> psh
L761[10:35:56] <g> I prefer quality of software
L762[10:36:00] <Skye> @Gavle, you're basically saying that you will focus on usability only to your point and not others
L763[10:36:06] <Izaya> I've given up on software quality
L764[10:36:08] <Izaya> everything sucks
L765[10:36:09] <g> a good portion of it actually is open-source, and they're working on open-sourcing the rest, but still
L766[10:36:11] <Temia> Also needed to readd ILoveCandy
L767[10:36:20] <g> however
L768[10:36:27] <g> if you want to install the ffmpeg codecs for it
L769[10:36:34] <g> you totally do have to download and compile chromium
L770[10:36:40] <g> there's an aur script for that as well
L771[10:36:48] <Gavle> Skye, please expound on your point when you can.
L772[10:36:50] <Izaya> how... convenient
L773[10:36:58] <g> it's better than not having one
L774[10:37:01] <Izaya> inb4 chromium requires 4TB of RAM build
L775[10:37:03] <Temia> Fortunately, herecura covers that too!
L776[10:37:15] <Temia> Premade Vivaldi and FFMpeg packages.
L777[10:37:23] <g> er, no
L778[10:37:27] <g> I didn't say ffmpeg
L779[10:37:31] <Skye> @Gavle, you seem to want to make users follow your personal strict standards
L780[10:37:34] <g> I said ffmpeg codecs for vivaldi
L781[10:37:36] <g> bit different
L782[10:37:37] <g> :P
L783[10:37:40] <Temia> Semantics.
L784[10:37:43] <Izaya> ffmpeg is in the arch repos
L785[10:37:45] <g> there's an alternative aur-compatible repo which does have pre-built codecs btw
L786[10:37:48] <g> it's just not on aur
L787[10:37:50] <g> for some reason
L788[10:37:54] <Izaya> I imagine Temia meant the ones for vivaldi specifically
L789[10:38:00] <Temia> The context was still about Vivaldi, yeah. :P
L790[10:38:27] <g> also you don't need that much ram to compile chromium
L791[10:38:31] <g> but you best not be using yaourt
L792[10:38:34] <g> I mean, you best not anyway
L793[10:38:43] <g> but yaourt tries to compile it in /tmp which doesn't have nearly enough space on most systems
L794[10:38:57] <Gavle> Skye, my standards, in this case, are not strict, and I don't see an issue with them. I suppose that the program could be edited to allow passing the clickability of the text as an argument to the checkbox constructor
L795[10:39:00] <Izaya> pacaur > yaourt
L796[10:39:05] <g> pacaur is great, yeah
L797[10:39:07] <g> that's what I use
L798[10:39:24] <Skye> @Gavle, most UIs support clicking of text
L799[10:39:25] <Temia> So wait, pacaur is cool again? .-.
L800[10:39:58] <Izaya> what does it matter?
L801[10:40:01] <Izaya> it works well
L802[10:40:02] <g> yeah, pacaur is cool again
L803[10:40:02] <Corded> * <LizzyTheKitty> likes Pacaur
L804[10:40:19] <g> I think a few people don't like it because by default it also does non-aur things
L805[10:40:22] <Gavle> Skye, I do not see the necessity of following a crowd off a cliff.
L806[10:40:41] <Skye> @Gavle, why do you hate your users?
L807[10:40:48] <Izaya> And yet you argue for stupid standards because they're standards.
L808[10:40:50] <g> also you need a working perl install and the default arch setup forgets to add a directory you need to your PATH
L809[10:40:50] <Izaya> Wonderful
L810[10:40:51] <LizzyTheKitty> g, I like the fact that it can do Pacman & AUR in the same command
L811[10:40:53] <g> I forget which one though
L812[10:40:55] <g> yeah, I like that too
L813[10:41:10] <Gavle> Skye, I only hate some of them, not all of them. I would never punish innocents to deliver vengeance to the guilty.
L814[10:41:30] <g> you make it sound like your ideology is some kind of holy crusade
L815[10:41:32] <Izaya> can anyone throw a more efficient method of iterating over chunks of text than
L816[10:41:35] <g> nobody is that important
L817[10:41:52] <Gavle> g, are you referring to me?
L818[10:41:54] <g> yes
L819[10:42:01] <Gavle> Thank you for the clarification.
L820[10:42:10] <Gavle> My ideology is not perfect, nor is it holy.
L821[10:42:11] <g> sorry, I'll mention next time :P
L822[10:42:14] <Izaya> for i = 1, s:len(), 2048 do print(s:sub(i,i+2047) end
L823[10:42:30] <Skye> @Gavle, in Windows you can click an entire rectangle, from the edge of the container of the checkbox
L824[10:42:49] <Skye> Izaya, well you have go split by length so...
L825[10:43:27] <Gavle> Skye, that is correct, and I agree with that design decision.
L826[10:44:04] <Gavle> There is quite clearly a container for the checkbox, and it would be illogical to only make the center letter or symbol clickable.
L827[10:44:15] <Skye> As in... YOU CAN CLOCK MORE THAN THE TEXT OR CHECK BOX
L828[10:44:45] <Gavle> I assume you meant click. And that is correct.
L829[10:45:46] <se7en> Guys, one important thing please... I got Adapter with Drawer Controller on TOP, and Transposer with a chest BELOW, how do i actually transfer from drawers to chest? Please dont send me a link to a wiki of transposers/adapters, i red it like 10 times each, yet i dont have any idea ;/
L830[10:46:42] <Skye> se7en, I'm sorry, I haven't used a transposer. However, have you tried rotating it with a scwrench?
L831[10:47:33] <se7en> I dont believe that's my issue, i actually dont know what "function" should i use to move item from Storage Drawers to a Chest
L832[10:48:18] <se7en> When i was making it for AE2, i just used Extract and it was going to desired place at once
L833[10:48:23] <fingercomp> component.transposer.transferItem
L834[10:48:32] <se7en> fingercomp
L835[10:48:47] <fingercomp> docstring: function(sourceSide:number, sinkSide:number[, count:number[, sourceSlot:number[, sinkSlot:number]]]):number -- Transfer some items between two inventories.
L836[10:48:49] <se7en> will that work FROM adapter's Storage Drawer TO transposer's chest ?
L837[10:49:03] <Skye> You have to try?
L838[10:49:05] <fingercomp> if you tell it to do so, yes
L839[10:49:25] <Skye> You can't transfer items as data
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L841[10:49:35] <se7en> Actually most funny part is that i already was using that command, and that worked only when i had 2 chests with 2 transposers
L842[10:49:36] <Skye> This is not Applied Energistics
L843[10:49:46] <fingercomp> so something like component.transposer.transferItem(sides.top, sides.bottom, 64)
L844[10:49:57] <se7en> But not when i want to "extract" from adapter to transposer
L845[10:50:10] <fingercomp> adapter?
L846[10:50:12] <se7en> yes
L847[10:50:19] <fingercomp> it's not an inventory
L848[10:50:21] <se7en> Adapter with DrawerController
L849[10:50:39] <se7en> then how do i actually extract from DrawerController thats connected with Adapter ?
L850[10:50:49] <se7en> that's my main issue here
L851[10:51:30] <Skye> So you want to teleport items over an OC network?
L852[10:51:39] <fingercomp> the transposer has to be adjacent to both the source and the sink
L853[10:51:50] <fingercomp> it's like a programmable pipe
L854[10:51:55] <se7en> oh Skye, i guess ure correct
L855[10:52:24] <Skye> se7en, you cannot teleport items.
L856[10:52:31] <se7en> Yeah will need to use transposers on both ends
L857[10:52:43] <se7en> I thought i can just move items "through" the OC system
L858[10:53:25] <Inari> %give MichiBot a fire piston
L859[10:53:26] * MichiBot accepts the fire piston and adds it to her inventory
L860[10:54:09] <Skye> se7en, you have to use another mod for that.
L861[10:56:57] <Izaya> {__index=function(t,k) return rawget(t,k) or {} end}
L862[10:57:49] <Izaya> table miss returns a valid value \o/
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L865[11:13:39] <se7en> Btw guys how do i check transposer api ?
L866[11:13:51] <se7en> There is literally none info about it on ocdoc.cil.li
L867[11:14:16] <Izaya> \o/ netboot works
L868[11:20:47] <Izaya> >:D now it runs in the background
L869[11:21:02] <Izaya> Now I need to write the client EEPROM I guess
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L871[11:26:05] <se7en> How do i actually "order" a robot to dispense item from its inventory or order him to take/deposit item from/into the chest?
L872[11:26:12] <se7en> Any ideas please / :D
L873[11:28:15] <se7en> Do not post the links to the robot api, i need to know how can i order him to do so from within the computer
L874[11:32:04] <Gavle> You cannot control a robot from a computer. You need to have the program on the robot, or rig up some sort of wireless control program.
L875[11:43:31] <gamax92> father spending too much time on facebook, ssh'd into the router and brought the internet down
L876[11:43:49] <gamax92> am now on the computer
L877[11:44:15] <Inari> Get more computers
L878[11:44:41] <gamax92> eventually
L879[11:45:09] <gamax92> ~w robot api
L880[11:45:09] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:robot
L881[11:46:16] <Izaya> gamax92: I do love QoS and throttling
L882[11:46:48] <gamax92> tbh I don't know if the required packages for that are installed
L883[11:46:57] <gamax92> but it's easy to just bring it down temporarily
L884[11:53:11] <FLORANA> hey i forget dose enyone know to to use/program the nanomachines?
L885[11:53:46] <fingercomp> se7en: I've already told you to run `components -l transposer | less`. It lists methods a transposer component has.
L886[11:54:51] <Izaya> you know it's early in the morning when you can't tell the difference between a ttf and bitmapped font
L887[11:55:56] <fingercomp> @FLORANA there are programs for that. I've written one too, it's 'nn' on oppm.
L888[11:56:50] <Izaya> welp
L889[11:56:54] <Izaya> I have a file I can't edit
L890[11:56:57] <Izaya> great
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L892[12:08:37] <Izaya> mfw I'm a total idiot
L893[12:08:47] <Izaya> freadall won't work for me because I'm doing it wrong
L894[12:09:45] <payonel> i really wish more community members would contribute to our wiki docs :)
L895[12:09:52] <payonel> yeah,...i should do it more
L896[12:10:02] <payonel> but it is a wiki! it would be very helpful :)
L897[12:11:27] <CompanionCube> %oclogs
L898[12:11:27] <MichiBot> https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/
L899[12:12:44] <gamax92> mlem
L900[12:12:44] <ocdoc> DB Update Detected, reloading ..
L901[12:12:44] <ocdoc> Reload successful
L902[12:23:59] <Achai> mlem?
L903[12:24:08] <Achai> melm.
L904[12:27:49] <AmandaC> %choose game now or forever hold your peace
L905[12:27:49] <MichiBot> AmandaC: game now
L906[12:32:20] <CompanionCube> Izaya: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/07/09/0414245/48-year-old-multics-operating-system-resurrected
L907[12:32:53] <Izaya> seeing that everywhere recently. It's p. shiny
L908[12:36:46] <Izaya> netboot? works perfectly. custom netboot based on address? doesn't work at all.
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L910[12:41:27] <Izaya> never mind it works now
L911[12:41:32] <Izaya> I forgot to make a table
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L917[13:08:32] <Izaya> ~w computer
L918[13:08:32] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer
L919[13:11:05] <samuel> Oh for Christ's sake
L920[13:11:32] <samuel> All the blocks in my inventory are dark and I think it's messing with me typing on my computer too...
L921[13:15:36] <Izaya> So, anyone got any clever designs for getting good server density?
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L925[13:32:53] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/Ytvzf6Q.png
L926[13:33:09] <Izaya> now I guess I have to start assembling servers
L927[13:34:10] <Izaya> ~w eeprom
L928[13:34:10] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:eeprom
L929[13:34:44] <Izaya> guess the image I push should make the EEPROM read-only at some point
L930[13:34:53] <Gavle> Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Take his fish away and tell him he's lucky just to be alive, and he'll figure out how to catch another one for you to take tomorrow.
L931[13:35:06] <Gavle> Also, you can make EEPROMs read-only?
L932[13:35:42] <Izaya> Yup.
L933[13:36:38] <Gavle> Interesting.
L934[13:37:14] <CompanionCube> presumably by removing write access via the functions?
L935[13:37:53] <Izaya> First, I need to implement address checking, and a way to force-reboot...
L936[13:38:38] <Izaya> ~w api:component
L937[13:38:38] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:component
L938[13:53:12] <payonel> CompanionCube: no, you can set eeprom to readonly mode, but there is no coming back
L939[13:53:42] <payonel> makeReadonly(checksum:string):boolean Makes the EEPROM Read-only if it isn't. This process cannot be reversed.
L940[13:53:55] <Gavle> What about making drives read-only?
L941[13:54:03] <Gavle> I opened an issue on that, and have seen no response
L942[13:54:04] <payonel> in openos, i added a readonly mount option
L943[13:54:12] <payonel> but that is just a proxy wrapper that blocks write access
L944[13:54:21] <payonel> i thought i closed that ages ago
L945[13:54:54] <payonel> as far as making floppies truly readonly, that's not something i'm pursuing
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L947[13:56:08] <Gavle> payonel, https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2138
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L949[13:59:14] <payonel> gavle: thanks, i updated that ticket
L950[13:59:23] <payonel> probably not what you were hoping for :)
L951[14:00:12] <Gavle> What about making floppies and HDD TRULY read-only, non-reversible?
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L953[14:02:55] <payonel> Gavle: mostly because i look forward to old tickets just finally dieing :)
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L956[14:18:46] <se7en> Can robots pick items from ground? I thought "suck" option will work like that but its not ;/
L957[14:21:17] <Gavle> payonel, that should not stand in the way of improving the mod!
L958[14:21:48] <payonel> Gavle: it doesn't. it's part of prioritizing
L959[14:22:32] <fingercomp> se7en: yes, they can. robot.suck() when items are right in front of a robot (or on top of it, or below), or a tractor beam upgrade and its component.tractor_beam.suck() method when they are a few blocks away from the robot.
L960[14:29:06] <Kodos> Interesting, TIL I can mount a hard drive as read only
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L963[14:43:17] <Izaya> welp, time to set up a dedicated netboot box
L964[14:46:48] <payonel> i'm done with an ocvm modem component
L965[14:46:51] <payonel> next, internet
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L967[14:53:01] <Izaya> is racks just not working a feature?
L968[14:53:09] <Izaya> they don't seen to be able to do networking
L969[14:53:27] <Izaya> or I could be pressing the wrong button
L970[14:53:29] <Izaya> never mind
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L974[15:00:18] <Skye> Izaya, I had networking issues too
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L976[15:12:37] <Dustpuppy> ok, i give up
L977[15:12:56] <Dustpuppy> i start from the begining
L978[15:13:07] <Dustpuppy> first i have a look in oop
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L981[15:43:17] <Gavle> payonel, if it's prioritizing, I don't see why you would close the ticket
L982[15:52:20] <AmandaC> %choose continue the cat's galactical conquest or meh
L983[15:52:20] <MichiBot> AmandaC: meh
L984[15:52:51] <AmandaC> Nah, I shall continue my global conquest of nya
L985[15:54:26] <se7en> Guys, i can't use http://ocdoc.cil.li/api:thread ? Got an error saying no file thread.lua ;/
L986[15:54:52] <Michiyo> what OC version are you on?
L987[15:54:58] <se7en> the one for MC 1.10.2
L988[15:55:10] <se7en> not yet there ?
L989[15:55:12] <Michiyo> ...
L990[15:55:16] <Michiyo> The one for.
L991[15:55:52] <se7en> its 1.6.2.7
L992[15:56:07] <Vexatos> You should use 1.6.2.108
L993[15:56:08] <Vexatos> http://ci.cil.li/job/OpenComputers-dev-MC1.10/
L994[15:56:12] <Vexatos> that one has it
L995[15:56:18] <Vexatos> make sure to update OpenOS too
L996[15:56:18] <Vexatos> >_>
L997[15:56:38] <Michiyo> 1.6.2.7 was built in February....
L998[15:56:42] <se7en> I can't actually upgrade OC to newer version since im using SkyFactory3 modpack ;/
L999[15:56:42] <Michiyo> So no it doesn't have threading.
L1000[15:56:48] <se7en> What else can be used like threading ?
L1001[15:56:53] <gamax92> stable = stale
L1002[15:56:54] <Vexatos> you could manually update OpenOS >_>
L1003[15:56:59] <Michiyo> ^
L1004[15:57:04] <se7en> What u mean ?
L1005[15:57:21] <Michiyo> Somebody set us up the bomb?
L1006[15:57:24] <gamax92> take new openos's files, and put them on your computer
L1007[15:57:29] <se7en> oO
L1008[15:57:48] <se7en> That makes sense, but how do i get new openos files?
L1009[15:57:54] <se7en> wait wait
L1010[15:58:00] <AshIndigo> a bomb?!
L1011[15:58:11] <se7en> You know telling me to update the mod, in the pack
L1012[15:58:25] <se7en> am i correct ?
L1013[15:58:35] <se7en> < sorry but since 2 days i actually use OpenComputers
L1014[15:58:48] <Michiyo> No, not update the mod.
L1015[15:58:52] <se7en> and since 2 days i actually try to code in lua
L1016[15:58:53] <Michiyo> Update OpenOS, manually.
L1017[15:59:05] <Michiyo> via the lua files on github
L1018[15:59:43] <se7en> Can i ask for the link to github ?
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L1020[16:01:55] <se7en> I just literally started to have fun in OC 2 days ago, how can i know how to update manually OpenOS files, just followed the tutorial how to assemble the robot and computer oO
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L1022[16:02:54] <AshIndigo> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers
L1023[16:02:56] <se7en> I feel like u asked me after 2 hours of playing minecraft, how to make calculator in redstone...
L1024[16:03:16] <se7en> Yet i dont see any lua files in there nor dont have any idea how to perform this "update"
L1025[16:03:16] <se7en> ;/
L1026[16:04:32] <AshIndigo> hm
L1027[16:04:39] <se7en> Please guys, at least guide me a bit, u expect me to know everything about it but i don't and i can actually admit it
L1028[16:04:51] <Michiyo> https://git.io/vmodt It would be neat to write a script that just fetched the latest OpenOS from there, but afaik no script exists
L1029[16:04:53] <Michiyo> so you do it by hand.
L1030[16:05:23] <se7en> "404 This is not the page you are looking for."
L1031[16:05:23] <AshIndigo> 404 michi
L1032[16:05:26] <Michiyo> ffs git.io
L1033[16:05:27] <Michiyo> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/tree/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos
L1034[16:06:01] <AshIndigo> \o/ michiyo to the rescue
L1035[16:06:03] <se7en> So what i do is just replace all the files on my minecraft's PC with the ones from the folder u gave me ?
L1036[16:07:38] <se7en> Am i correct? Or there is something more to do ?
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L1040[16:53:32] <payonel> so many pings!
L1041[16:53:43] <payonel> i get pinged on things like "openos", and "lua" :/
L1042[16:54:18] <Vexatos> I like lua
L1043[16:54:18] <payonel> se7en: o/ hi
L1044[16:54:37] <Vexatos> does payOS ping you too
L1045[16:54:41] <payonel> haha, no
L1046[16:55:30] * payonel adds to todo list: make oppm project that updates openos files
L1047[16:56:33] <payonel> se7en: you're playing on a server, yes?
L1048[16:56:33] <Vexatos> you can mark config files as optional \:D/
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L1050[16:57:17] <Vexatos> payonel, the real problem is that the first update would have to be an install -f so that OPPM registers it as a package, but that means that even files marked soft will be overwritten :I
L1051[16:57:20] <payonel> Vexatos: oh, nice. what should the bin util be called? update-openos? openos-update? update?
L1052[16:57:38] <Vexatos> any subsequent ones would just be oppm update openos though
L1053[16:57:54] <payonel> Vexatos: oh, i was thinking a tool, an oppm package of its own
L1054[16:57:54] <Vexatos> well my OS update programs are mintupdate and mintupgrade :P
L1055[16:58:03] <Vexatos> oh
L1056[16:58:12] <payonel> oppm update openos would be nice though
L1057[16:58:14] <Vexatos> openos-update maybe? :P
L1058[16:58:18] <payonel> i just worry about renames
L1059[17:00:06] <payonel> se7en: ! i'm back now, you're supposed to be here to answer my questions in real time
L1060[17:01:06] * payonel slaps se7en around a bit with a large trout
L1061[17:01:37] <AmandaC> tfw your biggest worry ( a highly xenophobic race with a pretty big established borders ) suddenly decides to become pascifists
L1062[17:06:33] <se7en> I dont understand what's ur point payonel
L1063[17:06:49] <se7en> You better tell me what's the highest dungeon in rpg u never played
L1064[17:07:01] <Michiyo> o_O
L1065[17:07:07] <payonel> O_o
L1066[17:07:17] <payonel> what?
L1067[17:07:17] <Michiyo> I'm not drunk enough for any of this
L1068[17:07:20] <Michiyo> I'mma go.
L1069[17:07:39] <se7en> My point is: How can i know stuff if there's no wiki page about updating openos manually, im not a coder so i didnt check every file in source, so how can i know
L1070[17:07:52] <se7en> same way i can know that is like you knowing the stuff in game u never played
L1071[17:08:21] <payonel> se7en: i'm new to this discussion, sorry about your frustration in updating things
L1072[17:08:23] <payonel> i'm here to help :)
L1073[17:08:45] <payonel> se7en: are you on a server? or playing single playeR?
L1074[17:09:39] <se7en> The only thing i need help with is how can i achieve having event.pull along with some while true loop
L1075[17:09:45] <se7en> im making server
L1076[17:09:47] <payonel> yeah, threads
L1077[17:09:58] <se7en> however for people that use FTB packs, not custom mods
L1078[17:10:00] <payonel> making a server? you're going to host the mc world?
L1079[17:10:10] <se7en> And yeah my version of opencomputers is lower
L1080[17:10:13] <se7en> so there is no thread yet
L1081[17:10:14] <payonel> excellent, that makes this very easy
L1082[17:10:41] <payonel> find the oc jar in your pack, the pack you're going to run on the server -- on the hosting computer
L1083[17:10:42] <se7en> and that way i cannot update single mod because eveyr player would need to update it as well
L1084[17:10:50] <payonel> yes i know, bear with me
L1085[17:10:55] <payonel> >.<
L1086[17:10:57] <se7en> ok im all ears
L1087[17:11:09] <payonel> find the jar in the pack that you'll deploy to the server/hosting machine
L1088[17:11:18] <se7en> yep, and ?
L1089[17:12:05] <payonel> se7en: what operating system are you on? do you have 7zip?
L1090[17:12:12] <se7en> yea i do
L1091[17:12:16] <se7en> i unpacked files already
L1092[17:12:31] <se7en> OpenComputers-MC1.10.2-1.6.2.7\assets\opencomputers\lua\
L1093[17:12:47] <payonel> ok, rm -rf assets/opencomputers/loot
L1094[17:12:56] <se7en> one moment sir
L1095[17:13:10] <se7en> youre telling me now how to do it on my pc? im at windows
L1096[17:13:18] <payonel> i trust you can translate
L1097[17:13:19] <payonel> :/
L1098[17:13:19] <se7en> or ure telling me linux commands (from what i see) to do
L1099[17:13:21] <se7en> oh
L1100[17:13:28] <se7en> but on my pc, not in minecraft, right ?
L1101[17:13:31] <payonel> beep boop beep
L1102[17:13:32] <se7en> xD
L1103[17:13:33] <payonel> right
L1104[17:13:44] <se7en> so
L1105[17:13:47] <se7en> theres no /loot
L1106[17:13:52] <se7en> but i believe thats not an issue
L1107[17:13:56] <payonel> is there assets/opencomputers/ ?
L1108[17:14:02] <se7en> yea
L1109[17:14:07] <se7en> component/
L1110[17:14:09] <se7en> bios.lua
L1111[17:14:11] <se7en> machine.lua
L1112[17:14:13] <se7en> thats all
L1113[17:14:19] <payonel> can you hold a sec
L1114[17:14:51] <se7en> in /component/ there is only 1 directory: "robot"
L1115[17:15:10] <Michiyo> if you have a jar without "loot" in assets/opencomputers you done borked something.
L1116[17:15:16] <payonel> se7en: you're in lua
L1117[17:15:23] <payonel> i said assets/opencomputers/loot
L1118[17:15:26] <se7en> just downloaded the serverpack for skyfactory3 via ftb
L1119[17:15:28] <payonel> not assets/opencomputers/lua/loot
L1120[17:15:38] <se7en> oh my bad
L1121[17:15:45] <se7en> yea there is, removed
L1122[17:15:53] <payonel> coo
L1123[17:15:55] <payonel> then ....
L1124[17:16:11] <payonel> download this http://ci.cil.li/job/OpenComputers-dev-MC1.10/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/build/libs/OpenComputers-MC1.10.2-1.6.2.108-dev.jar
L1125[17:16:26] <se7en> just replace the files , pack back, launch server, install openos, backup the previous version ?
L1126[17:16:27] <payonel> and replace that loot dir
L1127[17:16:53] <payonel> se7en: basically yeah. in our mod, when you craft a LOOT FLOPPY DISK, we are reading directly from that loot dir
L1128[17:17:00] <se7en> oh
L1129[17:17:10] <payonel> so, if on the server you replace the files in that loot dir, that'll update the LOOT FLOPPY DISKS in-game, immediately
L1130[17:17:17] <se7en> okay
L1131[17:17:29] <Dustpuppy> why is the event function not working? https://pastebin.com/Rcft7ZXd
L1132[17:17:29] <payonel> so, your users with have the newest, shiniest openos
L1133[17:17:50] <payonel> se7en: if you have other openos questions, please do ping me
L1134[17:17:53] <se7en> hmmm
L1135[17:17:54] <se7en> actually
L1136[17:18:03] <se7en> just curious about the 2nd way
L1137[17:18:05] <gamax92> Dustpuppy: you're not assigning anything to local _, x, y, b
L1138[17:18:06] <Michiyo> https://michi.pc-logix.com/OpenComputers-MC1.10.2-1.6.2.7.jar I've done the hard work for you here.. :P
L1139[17:18:11] * payonel pings Inari
L1140[17:18:17] <se7en> that someone wrote to me about
L1141[17:18:19] <Inari> ;D
L1142[17:18:22] <payonel> ;D
L1143[17:18:25] <gamax92> ;D
L1144[17:18:28] <Michiyo> ;D
L1145[17:18:42] <se7en> payonel, and about the other way, from within minecraft-only ?
L1146[17:18:49] <Inari> Dustpuppy: Trying OOP I see
L1147[17:19:01] <se7en> downloading the lua files from github
L1148[17:19:06] <payonel> se7en: well first of all, openos runs ENTIRELY inside mc. so nothing i write for openos is something you cannot do yourself
L1149[17:19:08] <se7en> and replacing all of them, will work as well ?
L1150[17:19:10] <Michiyo> se7en, like I said, afaik there is no automated way to do it, so you'd have to wget each file by hand.
L1151[17:19:12] <payonel> so technically, yes, you could do it without updating openos
L1152[17:19:26] <Michiyo> someone would have to write a program to do that
L1153[17:19:30] <se7en> i can actually pack them, install a program to download all at once
L1154[17:19:33] <payonel> se7en: ^ oh that's what you're talking about
L1155[17:19:36] <se7en> i mean
L1156[17:19:37] <se7en> unpack
L1157[17:19:43] <payonel> yeah, you could do it in-game, but it would be per in-game computer
L1158[17:19:48] <payonel> this way, you're updating the loot disks
L1159[17:19:49] <se7en> yeah that would be awesome
L1160[17:19:50] <payonel> and that is better
L1161[17:20:07] <se7en> yeah i know but this way, i would need to check-up on any bugs with openos
L1162[17:20:09] <se7en> if there are any
L1163[17:20:13] <Michiyo> the link I posted is 1.6.2.7 with 1.6.2.108's loot
L1164[17:20:22] <se7en> Yea i know michiyo, thanks for that
L1165[17:20:33] <se7en> however i believe ill try to download all files, for 1 pc only
L1166[17:20:34] <Dustpuppy> event function still not working :-( https://pastebin.com/Rcft7ZXd
L1167[17:20:42] <se7en> since this gonna be spawn pc / market stuff so yeah
L1168[17:20:59] <payonel> se7en: i'm the openos dev, so if you update to a latest version (loot/ only) and you have an issue, just github issue it
L1169[17:21:15] <payonel> se7en: i'm available almost every day
L1170[17:21:32] <payonel> Dustpuppy: i can help, but, i'm not currently multitasking
L1171[17:21:35] <se7en> thats one solution, yeah ;D
L1172[17:22:05] <payonel> se7en: you know about the thread doc i wrote?
L1173[17:22:12] <payonel> %ocdoc thread
L1174[17:22:15] <payonel> derpy
L1175[17:22:17] <se7en> but yet im kinda interested (if i would use my code on server i won't have access to, if that day comes) in the single pc update
L1176[17:22:23] <payonel> http://ocdoc.cil.li/api:thread
L1177[17:22:29] <se7en> yeah i red it
L1178[17:22:37] <se7en> actually wrote part using it
L1179[17:22:51] <payonel> to then realize you didn't have the thread lib? :(
L1180[17:22:56] <se7en> yeah
L1181[17:23:06] <se7en> was going to test it and boom
L1182[17:23:06] <se7en> ;D
L1183[17:23:11] <payonel> single pc update, server you won't have access to. i'm not sure what you're asking
L1184[17:23:23] <se7en> server files i won't have access to
L1185[17:23:29] <se7en> just imaginary situation but this can be
L1186[17:23:30] <Dustpuppy> payonel: i am coding, playing with the dog, watching a movie and keep attention of my horses outside....THAT'S MULTITASKING :-P
L1187[17:23:45] <se7en> let me write to u payonel
L1188[17:23:46] <payonel> :)
L1189[17:24:19] <payonel> ok Dustpuppy, clicking on your virus link
L1190[17:25:27] <payonel> Dustpuppy: the first param is the event_name, followed by the screen address that was clicked, followed by x,y,btn
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L1192[17:25:36] <payonel> so i think your listener needs another param
L1193[17:25:48] <payonel> listern(_, _, x, y, b)
L1194[17:25:52] <payonel> listener*
L1195[17:26:22] <Dustpuppy> yes, that was the mistake...thanks
L1196[17:27:02] <Dustpuppy> time to layer the windows and catch overlapping ;-)
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L1199[17:38:36] <Dustpuppy> hmmm....will it, like it is now, not call anew event listener every time i draw the window?
L1200[17:39:19] <Inari> probably :P
L1201[17:40:13] <Dustpuppy> that's bad. how can i set the event listner once for each object?
L1202[17:40:30] <Inari> Set it on creation and not on drawing?
L1203[17:40:30] <payonel> Dustpuppy: using captures
L1204[17:42:57] <Dustpuppy> i try to set it on creation, but i still have problems understanding the metatables
L1205[17:44:24] <payonel> local function create_new() local new_object = {} event.listen("touch", function(_,_,x,y,btn) print("touch handler for: ", tostring(new_object)) end return new_object end
L1206[17:44:28] <payonel> Dustpuppy: ^^ see the capture
L1207[17:44:54] <Inari> Well its still about making it where you create the object
L1208[17:44:58] <Inari> Rather than in the draw function
L1209[17:44:59] <Inari> :D
L1210[17:45:02] <payonel> +1 ^
L1211[17:45:20] <payonel> yeah, Inari and i were saying the same thing, or rather, thinking similar things
L1212[17:45:26] <payonel> ;D
L1213[17:50:54] <Dustpuppy> i am still confused
L1214[17:51:17] * payonel points with mouse cursor and explains
L1215[17:51:43] <payonel> and actually, i would make the listener a member method of the object, so the object can self unsubscribe later
L1216[17:52:56] <Mimiru> Someone deal with this: https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1364-too-long-without-yielding-in-robot-farming-loop/ I've gotta run.. lol
L1217[17:53:29] <Dustpuppy> how can i put this in my window:new function?
L1218[17:53:49] <Dustpuppy> first time oop...have to learn a lot
L1219[17:54:48] <payonel> Dustpuppy: either you have one master event handler, and that one master handler knows about all gui objects, and based on position and overlap, decides who gets the event
L1220[17:55:01] <payonel> or, you have all objects have their own handlers, and all get called on all touch events
L1221[17:56:44] <Dustpuppy> what will be the better solution? if i have a general event handler, code will come confusing, i think. if i have an event handler for each object, could be better to keep the overwiev
L1222[17:56:55] <gamax92> one event handler
L1223[17:57:01] <payonel> one master handler is cleaner
L1224[17:57:07] <payonel> and it lets you process overlap in one place
L1225[17:57:23] <Dustpuppy> hmmm... ok
L1226[17:57:33] <payonel> so, event.listen("touch", master_touch_handler)
L1227[17:57:48] <payonel> so you keep a list of gui objects, and master_touch_handler loops over them and finds the top-most winner
L1228[17:58:02] <payonel> then calls something like widget:onTouch(x, y, btn)
L1229[18:02:37] <gamax92> I wonder why using camera raw's to produce HDR imaging is considered fake
L1230[18:03:20] <gamax92> if you have all of the non clipped data in a raw then it's even better, no multiple shots and hoping everything is lined up
L1231[18:08:21] <lawful_lazy> I've got an odd question
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L1233[18:08:42] <lawful_lazy> On at least Linux, I have a command called `luac` that compiles Lua into a bytecode that the lua interpreter still understands.
L1234[18:09:04] <lawful_lazy> Could it be possible to run said bytecode in the OpenComputers mod?
L1235[18:09:22] <AshIndigo> i think theres a byte code option in the config
L1236[18:09:26] <gamax92> lua bytecode is very dangerous and can be exploited to do horrible things, hence bytecode is disabled on OpenComputers
L1237[18:09:55] <payonel> lawful_lazy: it is disabled by default, but if you don't care about the risks, yes, just enable it in the configs
L1238[18:10:10] <lawful_lazy> Interesting. Thanks for your answers!
L1239[18:17:01] <payonel> lawful_lazy: for example, one can break out of the sandbox with loading bytecode
L1240[18:17:13] <lawful_lazy> Ah, that makes more sense!
L1241[18:17:23] <payonel> or, completely own the cpu
L1242[18:18:03] <payonel> there have been requests to allow bytecode and strub the instructions
L1243[18:19:00] <gamax92> I don't really know why you'd want to use bytecode anyway
L1244[18:19:13] <payonel> scrub* --
L1245[18:19:34] <payonel> but yeah, it's not worth the effort, and there'd always be new exploits
L1246[18:19:54] <gamax92> payonel: instead of bytecode lets just make a binary serialized version of lua code
L1247[18:20:15] <gamax92> where it'll be unpacked into valid lua and then compiled
L1248[18:21:16] <payonel> gamax92: you've heard me mention desire to have bytecode access for openos?
L1249[18:21:26] <payonel> i looked into it (i.e. actually read that chapter)
L1250[18:21:33] <payonel> and yeah, it's not going to work at all how i had hoped
L1251[18:21:36] <payonel> so, i dont care for it anymore
L1252[18:22:00] <gamax92> I mean, I remember you talking about it before but I wasn't referring to that
L1253[18:26:13] <payonel> i think the benefit would be to those who want to send functions over events
L1254[18:26:21] <payonel> but i have to run
L1255[18:26:22] * payonel is afk
L1256[18:49:27] <Temia> Michi, Michi D:
L1257[18:49:30] <Temia> I just realized something
L1258[18:49:35] <Temia> SE totally dropped the ball with Lahabrea!
L1259[18:49:45] <Temia> They never had him tell the WoL to blame anything on the misfortune of their birth!
L1260[18:49:56] <Temia> Such a wasted opportunity!
L1261[18:50:23] * gamax92 pets Temia
L1262[18:50:32] * Temia tailswishes.
L1263[18:51:03] <Temia> Then again, maybe Ikeda would get sick of being typecast...
L1264[18:51:10] <gamax92> I wrote a script to filter out everything not OpenOS related from OpenComputer's repo, them move everything into the root folder of the repo
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L1266[18:57:03] <gamax92> I made a mistake, needs one more path to check otherwise the init commit is empty
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L1273[19:57:00] <Mimiru> Thanks payonel
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L1275[20:11:15] ⇦ Parts: se7en (se7en@hostc125.elsnet.pl) ())
L1276[20:28:30] <Dudblockman> Does a table of all tables contain itself?
L1277[20:49:10] <Achai> Yes
L1278[20:49:31] <Achai> No seriously, yes
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L1280[20:57:57] <gamax92> %lua a={} a.a=a
L1281[20:58:08] <gamax92> %lua a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a
L1282[20:58:08] <MichiBot> table: 0x7f1abc003270
L1283[20:58:34] <gamax92> hey Achai
L1284[20:59:52] <Achai> hey
L1285[21:06:28] <gamax92> Achai: did you get the message
L1286[21:06:43] <FLORANA> question will upgrading my tier 2 HDD to tier 3 keep my data?
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L1288[21:11:58] <FLORANA> hey is enyone still on?
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L1290[21:16:45] <FLORANA> wb
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L1292[21:17:15] <payonel> florana - and how do you plan on upgrading a disk? tier 2 hdd isn't a carfting component of the tier 3 hdd
L1293[21:17:36] <FLORANA> yes it is
L1294[21:18:36] <FLORANA> 2 tier HDDs, 2 tier RAM sticks, 4 Microchips(tier 3), and 1 PCB
L1295[21:18:52] <Mimiru> Umm...
L1296[21:18:57] <Mimiru> maybe in the pack you're playing
L1297[21:19:09] <Izaya> hardmode recipes
L1298[21:19:10] <Mimiru> But that's not a normal oc recipe.. so no, you won'
L1299[21:19:11] <Mimiru> t
L1300[21:19:58] <FLORANA> idk if this is the real recipe or not cuz i didn't see what was new in the lattest update
L1301[21:20:00] <FLORANA> idk if this is the real recipe or not cuz i didn't see what was new in the lattest update alone
L1302[21:20:53] <Mimiru> ahh.. I overlooked the hardmode recipes.. but no, I REALLY doubt you'll keep the data..
L1303[21:21:15] <FLORANA> on what the wiki?
L1304[21:21:26] <Mimiru> No..?
L1305[21:22:04] <gamax92> don't believe that you'll keep the data.
L1306[21:23:08] <FLORANA> heh cuz i'm at https://paste.pc-logix.com/irodakutun of my tier 2 HDD
L1307[21:25:31] <FLORANA> also does enyone know how to get the tape floppy disk?
L1308[21:25:38] <FLORANA> it's not craftable
L1309[21:25:38] <Temia> I think I've cemented my identity pretty well.
L1310[21:27:40] <Temia> My desk has most of its surface covered by, from left to right a serial terminal and switchbox, a laptop, a penguin cover for a penholder my sister made me, a USB drive in an alpaca cover, two external harddrives and an enclosure bay topped by a box of violet chocolates, a DualShock 4, a TI-84+, a video card and its box backed by a monitor and topped by a hairbrush, an open screw case and screwdriver, and finally a computer undergoing significant renovations
L1311[21:27:40] <Temia> resulting in its guts hanging out.
L1312[21:28:19] <Temia> Oh, and a pair of harddrives stacked on top of the serial switchbox.
L1313[21:32:28] <gamax92> violet chocolates?
L1314[21:35:31] <Temia> Yeah, some imported chocolates with violet-flavoured cream centers. My sister and I got the last two boxes on clearance at a local confectioner's shop. :o
L1315[21:35:51] <Temia> They're so good and I'm so sad that it was such an ephemeral experience. ;w;
L1316[21:36:45] <gamax92> I ... don't know what violet flavoring is.
L1317[21:40:20] <Temia> It's flavouring derived from violets.
L1318[21:40:42] <gamax92> I see ... didn't know you could do that
L1319[21:41:27] <Temia> Yeah.
L1320[21:43:18] <Temia> Violets are in fact edible!
L1321[21:46:30] <Temia> So are clover flowers.
L1322[21:55:08] <lawful_lazy> Any flower is edible when you're starving enough.
L1323[21:55:20] <Izaya> anything is edible if you're brave enough
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L1325[22:11:26] <Temia> Debatable.
L1326[22:11:46] <Temia> It's not edible if it's poisonous or otherwise rejected by your system, after all.
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L1328[22:12:26] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> howdy
L1329[22:14:01] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> anyone here know what ATlauncher server requirements are?
L1330[22:17:51] <gamax92> 89TB of ram, 2YB of disk space, a 1.24THz Intel Rauntian Pro Processor, and 7 NVidia Apeyar graphics cards for physics calculations
L1331[22:19:58] <gamax92> to be serious though ... ATLauncher is just a launcher. Your question makes no sense
L1332[22:43:06] <Temia> I can't remember how I set alsa up with jack last time so I'm just going to be lazy and use dmix.
L1333[22:43:11] * Temia flop.
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L1335[22:53:52] <ping> gamax92, lol please my 1800X outperforms that at a better price
L1336[22:56:48] <Temia> Intel Rauntian Pro? Is that the model with the QPU?
L1337[23:00:00] <Izaya> ping: lol please my athlon 64 x9million outperforms that for less
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