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L1[00:13:14] <gamax92> %choose wait or close
L2[00:13:15] <MichiBot> gamax92: wait
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L4[00:33:03] <Mimiru> and... after 9 days up
L5[00:33:04] <Mimiru> it hung
L6[00:35:36] * Mimiru sighs
L7[00:37:25] <Saphire> https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/ WHAT THE FUCK?!
L8[00:37:54] <KoxFox> Iiiii have question for you guys
L9[00:37:55] <Saphire> Instead of just closing any FR "issue", he nukes the only way to get an issue?
L10[00:38:04] * Saphire flips table
L11[00:38:07] <Saphire> What the fuck.
L12[00:38:43] <KoxFox> wait wut I walk in on...
L13[00:39:29] <Saphire> KoxFox: author of uMatrix shut down issues on github for it
L14[00:39:31] <Saphire> Completely
L15[00:39:36] <Saphire> There's no other bugtracker
L16[00:39:38] <KoxFox> ....
L17[00:39:38] <Saphire> At all
L18[00:39:54] <Saphire> Because he was too annoyed by "Feature requests"
L19[00:40:32] <Saphire> (It's explicitly stated not to make them pretty much everywhere on his repo, but people kept making them, so he threw a tantrum. Because I can't say it looks like anything else)
L20[00:40:56] <KoxFox> oh, I agree... It's pretty much a tantrum
L21[00:41:24] <Saphire> And it's stupid
L22[00:41:33] <Saphire> Because all issues were basically deleted
L23[00:41:39] <Saphire> And there's no way to report anything
L24[00:42:28] <Saphire> And no, he didn't provide any alternative bugtracker
L25[00:42:45] <Saphire> And using email... HAH, don't think that one will work.
L26[00:43:41] <KoxFox> prooobably not even opened
L27[00:43:46] <KoxFox> think about all the FRs he gets that way
L28[00:46:46] <Saphire> Uh, yeah.
L29[00:46:50] <KoxFox> Anyone have experience with Hyper-V on 2012 R2?
L30[00:47:05] <Saphire> ...So he nuked the only way to report issues for this?
L31[00:47:12] <Saphire> GLHF
L32[00:47:39] <Saphire> It's almost like Google's support
L33[00:47:41] <KoxFox> oh, it was by no way a smart decision
L34[00:47:43] <Saphire> Impossible to get.
L35[00:48:17] <Saphire> (Oh sure, there are hundreds of self-help pages... But when you have issue like your phone number being blocked from registration FOR NO REASON, all hope is lost)
L36[00:51:16] <gamax92> Saphire: well there's still the firefox and chrome pages where people can leave reviews/comments, not that he's probably looking at them.
L37[00:51:24] <Saphire> ...exactly.
L38[00:54:41] <Izaya> Didn't even know you could disable the issue tracker
L39[00:56:31] <Saphire> Izaya: you can.
L40[00:56:35] <Saphire> Some asholes do it.
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L42[01:51:31] <payonel> gamax92: o/
L43[01:54:09] <payonel> gamax92: i'm done with my refactor
L44[01:54:24] <gamax92> yay
L45[01:56:20] <gamax92> oh, I just noticed this video is an hour long
L46[01:56:22] <gamax92> ehhh.
L47[02:01:45] <gamax92> payonel: where be
L48[02:03:43] <payonel> gamax92: https://github.com/payonel/ocvm/pull/7
L49[02:04:12] <payonel> shall i merge or did you want me to wait
L50[02:04:39] <payonel> gamax92: this is the best part of the refactor: https://github.com/payonel/ocvm/blob/redo-all-the-things/io/frame.h
L51[02:05:50] <gamax92> payonel: it's past midnight, I'm super sleepy.
L52[02:06:04] <payonel> zzzz
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L57[03:48:50] <smoke_fumus> i wonder. why oppm doesn't support download to custom root option
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L64[05:21:27] <Izaya> >.>
L65[05:21:42] <Izaya> anyone got Windows 10 and Linux dual-boot in UEFI mode?
L66[05:31:07] <Syrren> Izaya: yes
L67[05:31:34] <Izaya> Same HDD or separate?
L68[05:31:40] <Syrren> separate
L69[05:31:56] <Izaya> Does your Linux UEFI entry get removed when Windows updates?
L70[05:32:03] <Syrren> it hasn't yet
L71[05:32:52] <Izaya> Huh.
L72[05:33:02] <Syrren> Have you tried using the default filename rather than making a separate entry?
L73[05:33:23] <Izaya> Client's having a weird issue where the Linux entry in UEFI gets removed whenever W10 does an update
L74[05:33:29] <Izaya> grubx64 is still there though
L75[05:34:01] <Syrren> try copying EFI/arch/grubx64.efi to EFI/boot/bootx64.efi
L76[05:34:08] <Syrren> iirc that's one of the "default" filenames
L77[05:34:18] <Izaya> Wouldn
L78[05:34:23] <Izaya> t Windows then nuke that every time?
L79[05:34:41] <Syrren> oh, you're using Windows' EFI partition to boot linux
L80[05:34:43] <Syrren> that's the difference
L81[05:34:53] <Izaya> Only one HDD in the shitty laptop
L82[05:35:08] <Syrren> I made an EFI partition on my Linux HDD and set everything up there, it chainloads into windows when necessary
L83[05:35:30] <Syrren> does this laptop have a CD drive?
L84[05:35:36] <Izaya> Yeah thank fuck
L85[05:35:43] <Syrren> it might support replacing that with a HDD caddy
L86[05:35:49] <Izaya> Nope.
L87[05:35:51] <Syrren> :(
L88[05:35:57] <Izaya> It's a cheap HP netbook
L89[05:36:05] <Izaya> THis client has a thing about buying $400 shitboxes >.>
L90[05:36:27] <Syrren> fwiw if you want a $400 not-shit-box get a used thinkpad T or X
L91[05:36:29] <Izaya> And I don't mean like, second-hand $400 ones that are decent, I mean brand-new 3-year-old low-end shitboxes
L92[05:36:30] <Syrren> s/used/old/
L93[05:36:30] <MichiBot> <Syrren> fwiw if you want a $400 not-shit-box get a old thinkpad T or X
L94[05:36:44] <Syrren> thinkpads have legendary linux compatibility
L95[05:36:47] <XDjackieXD> you can put an hdd caddy into every sata cd/dvd tray on a laptop. the size is standardized
L96[05:36:51] <Izaya> Aye, I have a T420
L97[05:36:57] <Syrren> XDjackieXD: only if the cd/dvd is removable...
L98[05:37:07] <Syrren> Izaya: best laptop ever amirite
L99[05:37:30] <Izaya> Amusingly my only complaints are the somewhat weak graphics (which is fine for a laptop) and the lack of secure boot
L100[05:37:33] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: there are no laptops without removable cd drive. you might have to open it up though (like the macbooks)
L101[05:37:46] <Izaya> XDjackieXD: they're all standard? o.O
L102[05:37:51] <XDjackieXD> yes
L103[05:37:57] <XDjackieXD> they have a standard form factor
L104[05:38:00] <Syrren> I call bullshit
L105[05:38:14] <Syrren> standard inside a certain brand/model line, sure
L106[05:38:21] <XDjackieXD> no
L107[05:38:23] <Syrren> but I can't pull a thinkpad cd drive and put it into a hp computer
L108[05:38:28] <XDjackieXD> you can
L109[05:38:29] <XDjackieXD> definitely
L110[05:38:30] <Syrren> I tried
L111[05:38:41] <Syrren> the mounting hardware is subtly different
L112[05:38:47] <XDjackieXD> you have to remove/swap the front cover as one might be bigger
L113[05:39:17] <Syrren> ok, that's a bit more believable
L114[05:39:26] <XDjackieXD> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/271830223105-0-1/s-l1000.jpg this is a standard. some laptops got screwed-on mounting hardware *around* this
L115[05:39:39] <Syrren> Izaya: does that laptop have an SD card slot?
L116[05:39:48] <Izaya> lemme check
L117[05:39:53] <Izaya> that could work for the bootloader
L118[05:40:07] <Syrren> yeah. it's kinda retarded, but it'll neatly solve the windows nuking problem
L119[05:40:12] <Izaya> IT DOES
L120[05:40:14] <Izaya> \:D/
L121[05:40:14] <XDjackieXD> http://parts.justlaptops.com/i/OPT0211.2.600.jpg this for example is with dell mounting hardware screwed on
L122[05:40:23] <XDjackieXD> lol
L123[05:40:25] <Syrren> Izaya: there's also the option of fucking around with windows' own bootloader
L124[05:40:38] <Syrren> i.e. trying to chainload win->grub
L125[05:40:42] <Izaya> Syrren: I'd rather slit my own throat with a pistol
L126[05:40:50] <Syrren> s/pistol/bayonet/
L127[05:40:50] <MichiBot> <Izaya> Syrren: I'd rather slit my own throat with a bayonet
L128[05:40:58] <Syrren> fix'd
L129[05:41:00] <XDjackieXD> if it got efi, you can just set another name for the efi binary inside the windows registry so it won't overwrite grub :>
L130[05:41:02] <Izaya> No, I mean with a blunt object.
L131[05:41:07] <Syrren> Ah. Fuck.
L132[05:41:18] <Izaya> XDjackieXD: I think the issue is it likes to clear the NVRAM
L133[05:41:22] <Syrren> ...
L134[05:41:24] <Syrren> ...
L135[05:41:24] <XDjackieXD> lol
L136[05:41:25] <Syrren> fucking windows
L137[05:41:31] <XDjackieXD> wandongs
L138[05:41:31] <Izaya> it isn't overwriting anything, it's just removing the entry
L139[05:41:39] <Izaya> because fuck life
L140[05:41:47] <Syrren> Izaya: next time I reboot I'll take a look at my BIOS. I'm pretty sure I still see the entry for rEFInd.
L141[05:41:53] <XDjackieXD> sure that it doesn't overwrite the grub efi binary on the efi partition?
L142[05:41:59] <Syrren> ...now that I think about it, that might be another difference!
L143[05:42:05] <Syrren> you might want to try refind->grub chainload like I do.
L144[05:42:10] <Izaya> XDjackieXD: grubx64.efi is still there
L145[05:42:18] <XDjackieXD> why not use refind without grub? o.O
L146[05:42:25] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: ^
L147[05:42:33] <Syrren> XDjackieXD: because ZFS and the EFI ZFS module is shit
L148[05:42:42] <Syrren> s/S and/S, and/
L149[05:42:42] <MichiBot> <Syrren> XDjackieXD: because ZFS, and the EFI ZFS module is shit
L150[05:42:47] <XDjackieXD> lol. why u even zfs on a non-server system
L151[05:42:54] <Izaya> why even use ZFS
L152[05:43:12] <Syrren> because I've been bitten by silent data corruption far too many times
L153[05:43:16] <Syrren> I've had e-fucking-nough
L154[05:43:21] <XDjackieXD> zfs is static af. completely unsuitable for a desktop.
L155[05:43:35] <Syrren> what do you mean by "static"?
L156[05:43:59] <XDjackieXD> it's virtually impossible to change your drive/partition layout without completely reformatting the zfs volume
L157[05:44:12] <Syrren> that means you're using it wrong
L158[05:44:35] <XDjackieXD> ever tried to do anything but to add drive or to increase the volume size?
L159[05:44:55] <Syrren> I know that it's not possible to remove drives in-place or decrease volume size, yes
L160[05:45:03] <Syrren> (haven't needed to, yet)
L161[05:45:34] <Syrren> tl;dr: I want to trust my disks, and I think that some loss of convenience is an acceptable tradeoff
L162[05:45:45] * XDjackieXD is happy with btrfs
L163[05:45:54] <Izaya> btrfs on lvm here
L164[05:46:01] <Syrren> isn't that the one which is still unstable?
L165[05:46:04] <Syrren> btrfs, that is
L166[05:46:07] <Syrren> nothing wrong with lvm
L167[05:46:10] <XDjackieXD> it has some unstable features
L168[05:46:20] <XDjackieXD> (like raid5/6)
L169[05:46:21] <Izaya> it's not said to be 100% stable
L170[05:46:31] <Izaya> but I haven't had any issues with it as long as I don't touch RAID
L171[05:46:41] <XDjackieXD> if you don't use features explicitly marked as unstable, you are completely fine
L172[05:46:54] <Syrren> >it's not said to be 100% stable
L173[05:46:55] <Syrren> <Syrren> tl;dr: I want to trust my disks
L174[05:46:59] <Syrren> I'm sure you see the problem here ;)
L175[05:47:02] <XDjackieXD> raid5/6 gets the final fixes for long known bugs with kernel 4.13 btw ^^
L176[05:47:21] <Izaya> does that mean actually stable?
L177[05:47:45] <Syrren> tl;dr: I've been running laptops on ZFS for years now
L178[05:47:56] <Syrren> the only REAL missing feature is hibernation support
L179[05:48:06] <XDjackieXD> Izaya: btrfs is officially stable since quite some time. if you mean the raid part: no it won't be officially stable but the only known bugs so far will be fixed by then
L180[05:48:20] <Izaya> ahok
L181[05:48:57] <Syrren> heck, I've been semi-seriously thinking about trying to write a ZFS-like thing for Windows
L182[05:49:12] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: I'm running btrfs on my laptop and pc since > 2 years and didn't hit any problems (well I tought I killed the FS on my laptop once but it was just the ssd that had some defect blocks)
L183[05:49:16] <Izaya> ReFS looked kinda cool, except the part where you can'
L184[05:49:19] <Izaya> t recover data from it
L185[05:49:34] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: there is a working implementation of btrfs for windows iirc (idk how old it is though)
L186[05:49:41] <XDjackieXD> refs is crap
L187[05:49:44] <Syrren> ^
L188[05:50:08] <Izaya> Only Windows I have is 7 so I haven't poked it much
L189[05:50:10] <XDjackieXD> "it will kill your wife and cat and it will burn down your house" :P
L190[05:50:29] <Syrren> sounds like #zfsonlinux when someone dares to mention btrfs :P
L191[05:50:37] <XDjackieXD> lol
L192[05:50:48] <Izaya> fwiw only one person I know has lost data due to btrfs
L193[05:51:00] <Izaya> and that was a few years back when it was still unstable
L194[05:51:32] <XDjackieXD> kilo did kill a btrfs volume because he was using raid5 and hit exactly this one corner case where everythign breaks apart
L195[05:51:45] <XDjackieXD> (also about a year ago iirc)
L196[05:52:05] <Syrren> >this one corner case where everything breaks apart
L197[05:52:08] <Syrren> D:
L198[05:52:18] * Izaya increments the counter
L199[05:52:25] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: you remember the bug I mentioned that got fixed in kernel 4.13? :P
L200[05:52:29] <Syrren> also, holy fuck. compilation log in emacs just grew past the point where emacs goes "??" instead of line numbers
L201[05:52:33] <Syrren> XDjackieXD: Ah.
L202[05:52:45] <XDjackieXD> lol
L203[05:53:34] <Izaya> emacs uses lisp though, why would you need to compile anything on emacs OS? /s
L204[05:54:14] <Syrren> the company I work at is an emacs shop
L205[05:54:27] <Syrren> compilation log goes through emacs because Maximum Integration
L206[05:54:42] <Izaya> Better than having to use Visual Molasses I guess
L207[05:54:50] <Syrren> clicking on a syntax error prefix opens the file, etc.
L208[05:55:21] <Syrren> it's all wonderful until my boss goes "fuck, why is the program so slow when we do a ton of printf?" and I'm like "well duh you're using emacs as a terminal emulator, don't do that"
L209[05:56:45] <Syrren> Izaya: I think I might have just found the holy grail of laptops.
L210[05:56:58] <Syrren> http://blog.lenovo.com/tag/retro+thinkpad
L211[05:57:04] <Izaya> yeah I know
L212[05:57:07] <Izaya> IT'S HAPPENING
L213[05:57:09] <Syrren> ALL OF MY YES
L214[05:57:15] <Syrren> *shoves money at screen*
L215[05:57:17] <Syrren> why isn't it working
L216[05:57:22] <Izaya> are there specs yet
L217[05:57:30] <Syrren> dunno, reading
L218[05:57:39] <Izaya> Syrren: you'll need to talk to Devolver Digital if you want to shove money at your screen
L219[05:57:51] <Syrren> I dun get
L220[05:57:57] <Syrren> s/$/ the reference/
L221[05:57:57] <MichiBot> <Syrren> I dun get the reference
L222[05:58:06] <Izaya> look up the Devolver Digital E3 show
L223[05:58:21] <Izaya> It's beautiful.
L224[05:58:27] <Syrren> hahahaha "The overwhelming response to my blog about Lenovo possibly building a “retro inspired” ThinkPad exceeded my wildest dreams. It smashed all the Lenovo blog records for page reads and comments by an enormous margin. The comments are highly detailed, contain great ideas and are very passionate."
L225[05:58:34] <Syrren> *evil laughter*
L226[05:59:24] <Syrren> Izaya: survey's still open
L227[05:59:43] <Izaya> I already responded to them
L228[06:00:13] <Syrren> *leaves survey open, devolves into puddle of squee*
L229[06:00:38] <Izaya> There's so many other things I need but I goddamn want one
L230[06:00:52] <Syrren> "Actually producing a ThinkPad with a 4:3 aspect ratio display is unlikely due to panel availability."
L231[06:00:56] <Syrren> awwwwwww
L232[06:01:08] <Izaya> 16:10 is okay enough
L233[06:01:23] <Syrren> yeah, it's better than 16:9, agreed
L234[06:01:37] <Syrren> but, like, if you're gonna retro then go full retro :P
L235[06:02:59] <Izaya> I'd suggest ripping the screens out of iPads
L236[06:03:11] <Izaya> but you don't get used iPads with non-broken screens
L237[06:03:30] <Syrren> hehehe
L238[06:03:41] <Syrren> nah, the only way to go there is franken-thinkpads
L239[06:03:54] <Syrren> oooh tough question
L240[06:03:57] <Syrren> "ideal screen size"
L241[06:03:57] <XDjackieXD> ipad screens are pretty cheap (~30€ on aliexpress)
L242[06:04:05] <Izaya> I should stick a RPi in my 600X
L243[06:04:10] <XDjackieXD> but 9.7" is a *bit* small for a laptop :P
L244[06:04:10] <Syrren> but... I want a T-retro AND an X-retro
L245[06:04:23] <Izaya> answer it twice
L246[06:04:29] <Syrren> haha, that works
L247[06:04:42] <Izaya> that said according to the figures 14" was preferred
L248[06:04:44] <Vexatos> Syrren: 32x18 metres
L249[06:04:46] <Syrren> Full HD, Quad HD or Ultra HD? lol...
L250[06:04:54] <Syrren> 4K would be shit because scaling
L251[06:04:59] <Izaya> I said FHD because I couldn'
L252[06:05:03] <Izaya> t afford anything higher
L253[06:05:10] <Syrren> does QHD require scaling?
L254[06:05:15] <Syrren> at 14"
L255[06:05:23] <Vexatos> You do not need anything higher
L256[06:05:24] <XDjackieXD> most likely. yes.
L257[06:05:34] <XDjackieXD> but hdpi scaling on linux isn't much of a problem
L258[06:05:41] <XDjackieXD> this is waaay worse on windows
L259[06:05:47] <Syrren> my jerb = windows
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L261[06:06:04] <Izaya> you work at an emacs shop that needs you to run Windows?
L262[06:06:12] <Izaya> o.O
L263[06:06:19] <Syrren> we're making CAD software of sorts
L264[06:06:27] <Syrren> so clients are all windows or at best mac
L265[06:06:43] <Corded> * <Vexatos> comment about autodesk
L266[06:06:50] <Syrren> haha, a touchscreen with a matte coating? now I've seen everything
L267[06:06:54] <Corded> * <Vexatos> comment redacting
L268[06:06:59] <Syrren> (non-touchscreen matte of course)
L269[06:07:03] <Izaya> never a touchscreen
L270[06:07:07] <Izaya> fuck touchscreens
L271[06:07:10] <Syrren> yeah, touchscreens on laptops are heresy
L272[06:07:10] <Izaya> nobody wants that shit
L273[06:07:22] <Izaya> except on a something ending with a t
L274[06:07:31] <XDjackieXD> I love the wacom digitizer + touch on my fujitsu t730
L275[06:07:33] <Izaya> tablet models are kinda cool but eh, don't force them down my throat
L276[06:07:35] <Syrren> glossy screens, of course, are EXTRA HERESY
L277[06:08:06] <Vexatos> I have never seen a single use in tablets
L278[06:08:21] <Izaya> Vex, they'd be nice for drawing/art and such
L279[06:08:23] <XDjackieXD> I'd love to get the thinkpad yoga x1 .-. (14" wacom digitizer, thunderbolt3, oled screen, i7, pcie ssd, ... if it weren't that expensive it would be a dream :3)
L280[06:08:38] <Syrren> XDjackieXD: but non-7-row keyboard
L281[06:08:41] <Vexatos> They are too big to fit in your pocket and too inconvenient to use to replace a laptop
L282[06:08:53] <Syrren> @Vexatos: have you seen the Gemini kickstarter?
L283[06:08:53] <Izaya> wrong type of tablet
L284[06:09:08] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: what do I need a 7-row keyboard for?
L285[06:09:19] <Syrren> for having a sane home/end block
L286[06:09:21] <Izaya> http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series-tablet/x220tablet/ this thing is actually p. cool
L287[06:09:21] <Vexatos> Drawing boards are weird
L288[06:09:46] <Vexatos> eh
L289[06:09:54] <Izaya> It's the least bad type of tablet, IMO
L290[06:10:02] <Izaya> because it's a competent laptop on its own
L291[06:10:03] <Syrren> Izaya: except for the bit where it doesn't support 9-cell batteries and the screen probably pops off relatively quickly
L292[06:10:03] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: http://technewsrss.com/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/a9968_lenovo-thinkpad-x1-yoga-keyboard.jpg the keyboard is fine that way
L293[06:10:12] <Vexatos> Just use a real laptop
L294[06:10:19] <Syrren> XDjackieXD: but home and end aren't one above the other
L295[06:10:23] <Izaya> Syrren: would you prefer a normal tablet?
L296[06:10:41] <Syrren> Izaya: in terms of hardware design I kinda like Microsoft's Surface Book
L297[06:10:58] <Syrren> except for the bit where it (probably) can't into linux, ofc
L298[06:10:59] <Vexatos> Linux mint is nice for laptops
L299[06:11:02] <Izaya> Does that one like, bend backwards?
L300[06:11:14] <Vexatos> Syrren: It can
L301[06:11:14] <Izaya> Any linux is nice for laptops, vex :P
L302[06:11:30] <Syrren> @Vexatos: including control of the screen detach?
L303[06:11:38] <Vexatos> With enough effort, you can format any filesystem
L304[06:11:41] <XDjackieXD> Izaya: my fujitsu t730 has the same hinge mechanism but I like the "flip over" type hinge like the x1 yoga got way more (those single point hinges are pretty unstable and annoying)
L305[06:11:42] <Syrren> Izaya: it's effectively a supertablet with a keyboard dock
L306[06:11:53] <Izaya> eh
L307[06:11:58] <Syrren> some models have a GPU in the keyboard dock for good measure
L308[06:12:14] <Vexatos> Well at least I know that Mint supports touh screens quite well
L309[06:12:21] <Syrren> they're horrendously overpriced, but the concept is still neat
L310[06:12:21] <XDjackieXD> the surface book is *meh* (it's completely useless without the dock. the only connector it got on the "main unit" is a headphone jack. not even usb.)
L311[06:12:27] <Vexatos> touch*
L312[06:12:35] <Izaya> no USB on the main part?
L313[06:12:38] <Izaya> egh
L314[06:12:40] <XDjackieXD> nope
L315[06:12:42] <Syrren> XDjackieXD: I was sure I saw USB ports on the screen
L316[06:12:51] <Vexatos> all tablets are useless
L317[06:12:54] <Izaya> I messed with a Dell tablet with 2 USB on the tablet part
L318[06:12:58] <XDjackieXD> Syrren: one of my classmates got one and it doesn't have one on the screen part
L319[06:12:58] <Izaya> it was okay enough
L320[06:13:02] <Vexatos> Just get a laptop :I
L321[06:13:02] <Izaya> could handle arch
L322[06:13:35] <Syrren> XDjackieXD: yeah... *adds surface book to HERESY list*
L323[06:14:05] <Syrren> googled, apparently it's because surface book tablet mode is considered an "afterthought"...
L324[06:14:14] <XDjackieXD> http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X1-Yoga-2nd-Generation/p/22TP2TXX12Y I want that thing ;_;
L325[06:14:15] <Syrren> i.o.w. want usb? undock screen, flip around, dock
L326[06:14:36] <Izaya> I mean, I carry a drawing tablet from like 2002 with my laptop so \o/
L327[06:15:03] <Syrren> \o/
L328[06:15:13] <Syrren> yay compile finally finished
L329[06:15:16] <Izaya> I wish the T420 had more USB ports >.>
L330[06:15:19] <XDjackieXD> I'm currently mating an intuos 3 a5 and an iPad screen. it's pretty amazing to draw on ^^ (even compared to a realy cintiq 13hd)
L331[06:15:21] <Izaya> 4 is so limiting
L332[06:15:24] <Syrren> Izaya: expresscard
L333[06:15:37] <Izaya> yeah I should probably do that
L334[06:15:44] <Izaya> but then where will I plug my external GPU into?
L335[06:15:49] <Vexatos> Izaya: My T430 has like 4
L336[06:15:52] <Syrren> does that actually work well?
L337[06:15:55] <XDjackieXD> yes
L338[06:16:00] <Izaya> dunno haven't tried yet
L339[06:16:01] <Syrren> I thought eGPU kinda sucked because expresscard is only x2
L340[06:16:08] <Syrren> oh and do you have a dock station?
L341[06:16:11] <Izaya> yeah
L342[06:16:12] <XDjackieXD> built myself an adapter some time ago and an external hd7770 works like a charm :P
L343[06:16:12] <Vexatos> That is more than I need
L344[06:16:15] <Izaya> only the mini dock though
L345[06:16:22] <Syrren> ah, I have the advanced or whatever
L346[06:16:24] <Syrren> 6 usb ports on the dock
L347[06:16:27] <XDjackieXD> expresscard is only 1x pcie 1.1 :>
L348[06:16:29] <Vexatos> Especially with all the other ports it has
L349[06:16:37] <Izaya> Vex, mouse, drawing tablet, external HDD, only one spot for extra stuff
L350[06:16:55] <Izaya> I use peripherals pretty heavily though
L351[06:17:12] <Izaya> Syrren: I have 6 USB, ethernet, VGA, DVI, and DisplayPort
L352[06:17:19] <Syrren> yeah, that's the same dock
L353[06:17:23] <Izaya> No PCIe slot like some of the fancy ones though
L354[06:17:30] <Syrren> wait what?!
L355[06:17:34] <Syrren> there's thinkpad docks with pcie?
L356[06:17:39] <Syrren> well there's your egpu solution...
L357[06:17:41] <XDjackieXD> I recently reversed the pinout and protocol of the nexus4's touch screen digitizer because I want to replace my laptop's crappy touchpad :3
L358[06:17:51] <Izaya> Some of the older docks for like, x00 models had a PCIe slot
L359[06:17:56] <Syrren> aaaah
L360[06:17:56] <Izaya> so you could stick in a real GPU
L361[06:18:03] <Izaya> cost like $500 though
L362[06:18:06] <Syrren> fuck that
L363[06:18:09] <Izaya> aye
L364[06:18:16] <XDjackieXD> my expresscard solution did cost me around 15€ :>
L365[06:18:26] <XDjackieXD> (not including the gpu and psu)
L366[06:18:27] <Syrren> work got me a $4,000 laptop with a 1070 and 7700k, I'm not gonna need eGPU for a while
L367[06:18:33] <Izaya> XDjackieXD: only 15E?
L368[06:18:42] <Izaya> I'd have to blow $70AUD because Australia >.>
L369[06:18:53] <Syrren> fuck australia tax
L370[06:19:06] <Izaya> it's like they charge money to flip everything upside down
L371[06:19:08] <XDjackieXD> got an pcie 1x to 16 extension (the ones with a usb3 cable in between) and a expresscard usb3 controller and gutted the controller :>
L372[06:19:24] <Izaya> ... I guess they have to make sure the electrons don't fall out
L373[06:19:26] <XDjackieXD> one sec. /me searches for pictures
L374[06:45:00] <XDjackieXD> https://puu.sh/wCXEd/2f9f983d4d.jpg the untouched (but opened) usb3 controller
L375[06:45:00] <XDjackieXD> https://puu.sh/wCXDk/607fdaf48b.jpg soldering some wires (6 connections on the usb side still to be soldered)
L376[06:45:00] <XDjackieXD> https://puu.sh/wCXII/66e2751816.jpg and the finished thing
L377[06:45:18] <XDjackieXD> (god I should really sort my pictures sometimes...)
L378[06:48:04] <Izaya> I'm an idiot what am I looking at
L379[06:48:17] <Izaya> does it run the PCIe lanes though the USB port?
L380[06:48:59] <XDjackieXD> yep
L381[06:49:11] <XDjackieXD> those cheap pcie 1x-16x adapters use a standard usb3 cable
L382[06:49:27] <Izaya> Ah
L383[06:49:33] <XDjackieXD> so I bought a expresscard usb3 controller and just wired the pcie lanes to teh usb port
L384[06:49:42] <Izaya> So basically cut the traces on the board and wire it straight to the USB port
L385[06:49:47] <XDjackieXD> yep
L386[06:49:55] <Izaya> though in that case you removed the chip?
L387[06:50:15] <XDjackieXD> I desoldered everything on the board. you could just cut all traces but desoldering is quicker :>
L388[06:50:28] <Izaya> makes sense
L389[06:50:54] <Izaya> I dunno if it's a one layer or double sided board I'd just run a craft knife over the top a few times
L390[06:51:12] <Izaya> Or like, look at it with a screwdriver until it made all the traces dissolbe :P
L391[06:51:15] <Izaya> dissolve*
L392[06:51:55] <XDjackieXD> it's a double layer board
L393[06:52:08] <XDjackieXD> but still: just pointing hot air at it was easier :P
L394[06:52:24] <Izaya> yeah I get ya
L395[06:52:29] <Izaya> and I mean if you're soldering anyway
L396[06:53:08] <XDjackieXD> I did cut the pcie lanes though to not have extra capacitance on the lanes
L397[06:53:31] <XDjackieXD> and I made sure that the differential pairs have the same cable length
L398[06:53:43] <XDjackieXD> shouldn't matter too much for pcie 1.1 but still
L399[06:55:08] <Izaya> I remember watching the video about getting Linux running on the PS4
L400[06:55:16] <Izaya> they were running PCIe over RS-232
L401[06:55:40] <Syrren> O_O
L402[06:55:53] <XDjackieXD> lol
L403[06:55:55] <Izaya> It worked, too
L404[06:55:58] <Izaya> It was slow, but it worked
L405[06:56:26] <XDjackieXD> I like the talk about running linux on the ps4. he came to the stage with the ps4, plugged it in, booted linux and started his presentation :P
L406[06:56:44] <XDjackieXD> (also at the end he was playing portal2 on the ps4 ^^)
L407[06:57:03] <Syrren> Izaya: more details https://web.archive.org/web/20170703220335/http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-its-alive/
L408[06:57:48] <Izaya> seen it
L409[06:57:53] <Izaya> not much actual detail
L410[07:01:52] <Saphire> Rawr
L411[07:08:28] * AshIndigo pets Saphire
L412[07:09:17] <Izaya> random thought
L413[07:09:51] <Izaya> do exclusives actually move units or is that just total BS like everything else that comes out of the mouth of {Microsoft,Sony,Nintendo}?
L414[07:10:26] <Syrren> I have a totally unfounded opinion in favor of the latter
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L416[07:11:11] <Izaya> I'm having a hard time seeing the logic there
L417[07:11:31] <Izaya> Pay $400 so you can pay multiples of $60?
L418[07:11:38] <Izaya> I can't see how it would actually help anything
L419[07:12:08] <Syrren> oh I thought you meant games being exclusive to consoles
L420[07:12:26] <Izaya> yeah like
L421[07:12:37] <Izaya> I don't get the logic behind exclusives
L422[07:13:27] <Izaya> If you don't get it on your chosen platform... you don't get it at all. Because that's like a starting cost of $460 in the US, more everywhere else.
L423[07:14:03] <Syrren> ohhh
L424[07:14:16] <Syrren> I didn't get that you meant $400 as in "price of a console"
L425[07:14:58] <Izaya> Or computer, but everyone has one anyway.
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L428[07:36:31] <lolmegaxd1> Guys i.have a code for a transposer to extract and insert items from an inventory to another what if i want to use the same code to every transposer connected to the computer?
L429[07:37:51] <Izaya> for c in component.list("transposer") do local transposer = component.proxy(c) transposer.dosomething() end
L430[07:44:37] <Ember_Primrose> im sad atm. one of my friends committed suicide about 4 hours ago :/
L431[07:45:27] <Izaya> Probably a little pointless for me to say much here :|
L432[07:45:30] <Izaya> Sorry, man.
L433[07:45:51] <Izaya> (as in, condolences rather than I could've done anything)
L434[07:46:10] <Ember_Primrose> Thanks for the condolences. I appreciate that.
L435[07:56:42] <lolmegaxd1> Thanks
L436[08:04:01] * Mimiru hugs @Ember_Primrose
L437[08:09:37] <Ember_Primrose> thanks mimi! _hugs back_
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L440[08:30:46] <Mimiru> fucking server hung 4 times in an hour last night -_-
L441[08:31:08] <Mimiru> today I have a monitor attached to it doing tail -f syslog and dmesg -w
L442[08:31:19] <Mimiru> IDK if either will be useful, but I'm hoping
L443[08:31:43] <Mimiru> anyway, off to work, truck day with a fucked knee
L444[08:31:44] <Mimiru> yay
L445[08:32:26] <Izaya> yay
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L449[08:44:27] <Skye> Izaya, there's a game company that ports it's games of a series to the PC. the only exlcusives of that series are the bad games that were remade (and were ported).
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L463[10:13:19] <lolmegaxd1> can anyone help me? i wanted to use the function in every transposer but im new at coding so idk what is wrong http://tinyurl.com/yatseouo
L464[10:16:17] <Ember_Primrose> Best NIckname you've heard/seen thats not your own?
L465[10:17:04] <Izaya> am I actually looking at a photo of a screen showing a game with a screen on it
L466[10:17:31] <Izaya> uh so
L467[10:17:46] <Izaya> you're a) calling an invalid function
L468[10:17:56] <Izaya> b) running a function against the same thing every time
L469[10:18:08] <Izaya> you'd want to give do..me() an argument
L470[10:18:28] <Izaya> so d..e(transposer) in the last part
L471[10:18:38] <Izaya> this made sense in my head'
L472[10:18:57] <Izaya> basically pass the component proxy to the function and make it use that rather than the default transpower
L473[10:19:02] <Izaya> transposer
L474[10:19:04] <Izaya> fuck
L475[10:19:22] <Izaya> don't drink and type, kids
L476[10:24:17] <lolmegaxd1> Im new come onn it works now
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L478[10:57:59] <gamax92> beep boop
L479[11:04:40] <Inari> Boobp!
L480[11:07:15] * gamax92 pets Inari
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L482[11:14:28] <Inari> %stab gamax92
L483[11:14:29] * MichiBot shivs gamax92 with a minecraft doing [10] damage
L484[11:14:50] * gamax92 pets Inari more
L485[11:15:10] <gamax92> Stabbing me will not prevent petting
L486[11:16:07] <Inari> ¬_¬
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L488[11:40:36] <Inari> Why do so many kids anime shows have a character that just is super annoying by nature, isn't good for anything, is always just dargging everone down and causing issues, never learning from it either..
L489[11:42:08] <Dudblockman> Because it's a perfect selfsert
L490[11:42:57] <Inari> You must not have much a feeling of self-worth if thats a selfsert :P
L491[11:43:43] <Dudblockman> I'm talking disruptive children... my little brother adores the annoying characters
L492[11:44:01] <gamax92> that's not good
L493[11:44:40] <Dudblockman> You are telling me? t.t
L494[11:44:41] <Inari> Oo
L495[11:45:06] <Inari> But half the time they don't even seem like annoyin gon purpose. They're just that whiny and terrible
L496[11:45:07] <Dudblockman> I just assume that applies in general
L497[11:45:53] <Dudblockman> They are the most 'childlike', generally the least mature
L498[11:46:34] <Inari> Anyway, they annoy me to no end :P
L499[11:46:38] <Dudblockman> I would assume something like an empathetic bond
L500[11:46:41] <Inari> They don't even serve a purpose in the show :|
L501[11:50:44] <Dudblockman> The other factor is the... 'comedic relief' they provide
L502[11:50:54] <Dudblockman> Or just being a scrappy doo
L503[12:03:36] <payonel> LeshaInc: ive implemented the LS_COLORS in true ansi form, and then right away found issues with bit depth 4 that appears to be a general issue with my vt100 work in depth 4
L504[12:03:48] <payonel> LeshaInc: ive had very little time to investigate this (just found it this morning) and am now at work
L505[12:04:00] <payonel> but, i'll fix it tonight, and should have the LS_COLORS fix in tonight
L506[12:04:53] <payonel> gamax92: i decided to merge the ocvm refactor. let me know when you've had a chance to consider the new Frame class. i think you'll be pleased
L507[12:06:29] <payonel> Inari: https://imgur.com/8TDyYV0
L508[12:07:19] <LeshaInc> payonel: ok
L509[12:08:19] <Inari> payonel: Cute~
L510[12:09:57] <LeshaInc> payonel: also we were speeaking about custom color palette, so there should be 16 colors, not 8, as we want to handle bold text using brighter color
L511[12:49:02] <Inari> %give MichiBot "Carét-Carét", the magical invocation
L512[12:49:03] * MichiBot accepts "Carét-Carét", the magical invocation and adds it to her inventory
L513[12:49:07] <Inari> %inv count
L514[12:49:07] <MichiBot> The inventory contains 81 items.
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L516[13:08:58] <Dudblockman> Any ideas on how to protect a computer from the 'too long without yielding' crash caused by lag spikes?
L517[13:11:42] <Michiyo> Yeah, don't get lag spikes.
L518[13:11:52] <Michiyo> IIRC there is a config entry for the timeout value...
L519[13:12:42] <gamax92> Vexatos: another reason why you don't use a timer
L520[13:13:13] <Vexatos> yeeea
L521[13:13:29] <Dudblockman> Mildly annoying to find out my computer crashed that was meant to regulate my diesel generators chewed through all my fuel by wasting power
L522[13:13:38] <Dudblockman> Uggggg
L523[13:13:39] <Inari> http://imgur.com/ze6mzZ9
L524[13:14:18] <payonel> Vexatos: what was the reason we dont want to base timeouts on ticks instead of wall clock?
L525[13:14:28] <gamax92> her tails have no shadows
L526[13:14:49] <Dudblockman> Cannot unsee. Tail has no shadow.
L527[13:15:31] <Inari> What if Tali has no shadow
L528[13:15:32] <Vexatos> payonel, the reason was ask sangar
L529[13:15:40] <Vexatos> or browse the github issues
L530[13:15:41] <Vexatos> no clue
L531[13:15:54] <payonel> %tell Sangar why don't we timeout of ticks instead of wall clock
L532[13:15:54] <MichiBot> payonel: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.
L533[13:16:01] <Vexatos> Probably because the Lua thread is detached from the server thread
L534[13:16:45] <payonel> does forge have a ticks-since-boot?
L535[13:17:00] <Vexatos> it has ticks since world started
L536[13:17:02] <gamax92> Vexatos: hmm, if you have an event subscribed to ticks, and the server starts doing it's tick skipping thing due to a lag burst, does that event handler get the ticks?
L537[13:17:11] <payonel> yeah, that's what i meant
L538[13:17:26] <payonel> oh, that's a good question
L539[13:17:33] <Vexatos> gamax92, if it's just lag, it will just continue with the next tick
L540[13:17:37] <Vexatos> if the log mentions it skips ticks
L541[13:17:40] <Vexatos> it literally skips them
L542[13:17:44] <Vexatos> no event fired etc
L543[13:18:30] <payonel> so my suggestion would be to have the lua thread check forge's global ticks-since-world-started the next time it is about to resume the lua state
L544[13:19:38] <Vexatos> but what if it skips 1000 ticks
L545[13:19:45] <Vexatos> and then totalworldtime is suddenly that far ahead
L546[13:20:59] <payonel> make a tick handler and keep track of a counter: number_of_ticks_that_actually_happened
L547[13:27:45] <Inari> I wonder what the best way to do that would be. You get 20ms a tick. So divide that by the number of runinng lua states, and give each state a portion of that? And interrupt it when it goes over or something :P
L548[13:31:21] <gamax92> oh, I see eclipse updated
L549[13:31:27] <gamax92> eclipse, oxygen
L550[13:32:32] <Inari> Hmm I half don't like this because its too skimpy, but it also has something nice/elegant about it. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEEmqKoUAAAv9KK.jpg:large
L551[13:33:58] <payonel> you dont like skimpy?
L552[13:34:15] <Inari> I don't :P
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L556[14:27:18] <gamax92> Vexatos: the server does have a tickCounter field
L557[14:27:47] <gamax92> which I believe does not get incremented for skipped ticks
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L559[15:29:18] <gamax92> I have to use a tick event because that simplifies the whole custom event handling I have
L560[16:06:03] <payonel> LeshaInc: what would you think of a stat function that would return a table of data about a path. default `stat(path)` would give you all the metadata at once
L561[16:06:49] <payonel> such as, is_dir, real_path, exists, link_target, read_only
L562[16:11:22] <Michiyo> So... Fuck Bank of America.
L563[16:11:26] <gamax92> payonel: ls just shouldn't request data it doesn't need
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L565[16:11:40] <gamax92> Michiyo: what happened?
L566[16:11:48] <Michiyo> BOA has caused our Credit Card processor to close our account.
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L568[16:11:54] <Michiyo> so I can't tank credit cards.
L569[16:11:58] <Michiyo> s/tank/take/
L570[16:11:58] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> so I can't take credit cards.
L571[16:11:59] <gamax92> :/
L572[16:12:27] <Michiyo> SOMEHOW 2 refund transactions hit BOA last week, no one knows how... cause we've NEVER USED BANK OF AMERICA.
L573[16:12:42] <Michiyo> We use Heartland as our processor, and it deposits into our local NOT FUCKING BOA bank.
L574[16:13:29] <Michiyo> But since BOA couldn't show any purchases against the account they have for us other than these 2 refunds, they fucking sent a account close request to our actual processor, who closed our account WITH NO CONSENT FROM ANYONE.
L575[16:13:58] <Michiyo> Yesterday I closed $395 in credit card transactions, today I can't run a card...
L576[16:15:28] <Inari> gg
L577[16:15:45] <payonel> i'd be pissed at heartland
L578[16:16:05] <Michiyo> I'm pissed at BOA for even thinking they had the authority to send a fucking request to heartland.
L579[16:16:14] <Michiyo> I'm pissed at Heartland for doing it without our consent
L580[16:16:21] <payonel> yeah
L581[16:16:25] <Michiyo> I'm also convincing the owner to switch to Square.
L582[16:16:44] <Michiyo> I use Square.. I love Square... RadioShack Corp is using Square too
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L587[16:45:15] <Dudblockman> Why are network cables and 3d prints so... buggy with their placement?
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L589[16:46:43] <Michiyo> define "buggy" I've had no issues
L590[16:49:12] <Dudblockman> Might be some mod interaction I can't pin down
L591[16:49:38] <Dudblockman> They ignore things that capture clicks, such as opening inventories
L592[16:50:22] <Dudblockman> Places the print/cable on chests when you open them without either action being interrupted
L593[16:50:28] <Dudblockman> For example
L594[16:51:03] <Dudblockman> Also ignore FTB utilities claims, you can place them in places you should be unable to
L595[16:51:36] <Dudblockman> I just want to know if its a OC thing before I go on a massive interaction hunt to see what mod is causing the odd behavior
L596[16:52:41] <Dudblockman> (It is fun to create fake blocks and place them in other people's bases, have a free block of diamond-nope!)
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L598[17:02:14] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEFWsGXXkAEWWWU.jpg:large wonder if thats a wolf girl
L599[17:02:51] <Temia> Maybe a distant descendant of a wolf girl through thousands of years of domestication.
L600[17:03:08] <Temia> Which immediately highlights how uncomfortable the concept of a dog girl is :T
L601[17:03:26] <Inari> Does it? Is It?
L602[17:04:27] * gamax92 pets Temia
L603[17:05:20] <Temia> Well, you can indulge in your pet play fantasies however you want so long as it's away from the rest of us. :P
L604[17:05:28] * Temia leans on Gamax and tailswishes.
L605[17:06:08] <Temia> ...I know this looks hypocritical, shut up, I just enjoy the affection!
L606[17:06:12] <Temia> >:T
L607[17:06:58] * gamax92 checks server
L608[17:07:00] <gamax92> "Players Online: 0 / 20"
L609[17:07:19] * AshIndigo males it -1/20
L610[17:07:27] <gamax92> males
L611[17:07:30] <AshIndigo> ... *maked
L612[17:07:35] <Temia> I'm working on making 1.2 suck
L613[17:07:35] <gamax92> maked.
L614[17:07:35] <AshIndigo> *makes
L615[17:07:37] <Temia> Er
L616[17:07:40] <Temia> Not suck
L617[17:07:46] <Temia> No, right now 1.2 sucks
L618[17:07:54] <Temia> That didn't need any effort on my part.
L619[17:08:34] <gamax92> and I wish to kill the withers, which doesn't look like any mod is affecting that so we should be good
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L622[17:18:58] <Skye> Goodnight
L623[17:19:07] <payonel> o/
L624[17:19:25] <AshIndigo> Night skye
L625[17:20:35] <gamax92> stars
L626[17:24:45] <gamax92> payonel: btw "client.cpp:(233/235/243): undefined reference to `lua_rotate'"
L627[17:31:16] <payonel> gamax92: Client::component_invoke uses lua_remove and lua_insert, each of which are defines that call lua_rotate in Lua 5.3
L628[17:31:22] <payonel> but in 5.2, they are methods of their own
L629[17:31:52] <payonel> anyways, sounds like you need to make clean, or rm bin/model/client.o
L630[17:33:47] <gamax92> oh, nvm it's because pkg-config lua5.2
L631[17:33:49] <gamax92> arch has lua52
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L634[17:41:06] <zukonake> Damn this WocChat is cool af
L635[17:42:48] <zukonake> What are some games from OPPM?
L636[17:46:48] <payonel> zukonake: o/
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L638[17:51:56] <Kaszana> hello
L639[17:52:16] <payonel> two users from the same server, both using wocchat? :)
L640[17:52:26] <zukonake> Yep
L641[17:52:38] <zukonake> Trying out opencomputers
L642[17:52:51] <Kaszana> how to download game?
L643[17:52:59] <payonel> i dont know any games in oppm
L644[17:53:06] <zukonake> Kaszana wants some games but i cant find him any
L645[17:53:10] <payonel> doesnt mean there are none, just not my thing
L646[17:55:32] <Kaszana> you play creative?
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L648[17:57:35] <payonel> no, i play survival
L649[17:57:57] <payonel> though, i spend nearly all my time working on openos...i don't play very much
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L652[18:12:14] <MGR> Vexatos, what was the dealio with the Computronics and log4j thing?
L653[18:12:28] <MGR> I forget, but I need to get that fixed in order to update my modpack
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L656[18:15:58] <MGR> Of course he left...
L657[18:21:05] <gamax92> payonel: btw have you ever worked with SDL2 before?
L658[18:22:56] <Dudblockman> Oh no! Someone mentioned me! Run!
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L660[18:27:42] <gamax92> payonel: because SDL2 is super easy to use
L661[18:28:03] <gamax92> takes very few lines to do something with it
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L664[18:55:51] <payonel> gamax92: nope, i haven't
L665[18:56:02] <payonel> is the new Frame class going to work better for you?
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L667[19:05:15] <gamax92> payonel: busy, haven't looked
L668[19:57:21] <Saphire> So...
L669[19:57:24] <Saphire> Hmm
L670[19:57:54] <Izaya> Hmm
L671[20:00:48] <gamax92> Hmm
L672[20:01:29] <Saphire> So, I have a grid of completely variable amount of objects that are basically static to each other. (Okay, parts of it can move, dunno what to do with those)
L673[20:02:01] <Saphire> How would I recalculate center of mass after its initial calculation by iteration?
L674[20:02:13] <Dudblockman> Linked lists?
L675[20:02:19] <Saphire> I mean, when something on that grid moves or is removed
L676[20:03:01] <Saphire> Dudblockman: talking math, not data structures
L677[20:03:22] <Dudblockman> >.> right
L678[20:03:31] <Dudblockman> Uhh
L679[20:03:51] <Saphire> Basically, I can either
L680[20:04:37] <Saphire> Iterate every time something is removed or moves, aka mass distribution is changed
L681[20:05:01] <Dudblockman> Iteration is the quick but dirty solution
L682[20:05:02] <Saphire> As in, iterate trough the list of all the things there are on the grid
L683[20:05:14] <Saphire> Which can contain thousands of objects
L684[20:05:49] <Saphire> And maybe even sub-grids with dozens or hundreds of objects. And more sub-grids
L685[20:06:07] <Saphire> Hmm, I think that should be subgrids, no dash/tilde
L686[20:06:11] <Saphire> *no drag
L687[20:06:16] <Saphire> ... Gah
L688[20:06:30] <Dudblockman> You could modularize
L689[20:06:44] <Dudblockman> A set group of static components will have a set CoM
L690[20:07:03] <Saphire> Or
L691[20:07:16] <Saphire> Or I can have a.. wait
L692[20:07:49] <Saphire> You mean, different types of things have own CoM and the main one is calculated using those?
L693[20:08:02] <Dudblockman> If you have a 4x4 grid of dots
L694[20:08:17] <Dudblockman> You break that up into 4 2x2 sectors
L695[20:08:25] <Saphire> Why?
L696[20:08:45] <Dudblockman> The center of mass and the total mass of each sector will remain the same if they are static in relation to eachother
L697[20:08:59] <Dudblockman> So you will not need to recalculate them if they don't change
L698[20:09:09] <Saphire> What if
L699[20:09:13] <Saphire> I remove one?
L700[20:09:28] <Saphire> One dot or one 2x2 chunk of them
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L702[20:09:36] <Dudblockman> Then you recalculate the set, and recalculate each parent set
L703[20:09:56] <Dudblockman> It essentially caches the results of parts that don't change
L704[20:10:15] <Saphire> Eh
L705[20:10:17] <Saphire> Or
L706[20:10:40] <Saphire> So, the CoM would move the opposite direction from something that is removed, right?
L707[20:11:21] <gamax92> I made a cup of tea, I open the freeze to let it cool down a little bit
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L709[20:11:32] <gamax92> frozen cup of tea in there from last night
L710[20:11:33] <gamax92> oops
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L712[20:13:22] <Dudblockman> Yes
L713[20:13:43] <Dudblockman> Hmm I think you can calculate how much it would move
L714[20:14:50] <Saphire> Yup
L715[20:14:57] <Saphire> If I know total mass
L716[20:15:05] <Saphire> And the mad of removed object
L717[20:15:09] <Saphire> *mass
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L720[22:02:22] <Saphire> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1324499
L721[22:02:25] <Saphire> Mozilla
L722[22:02:28] <Saphire> What
L723[22:02:30] <Saphire> The
L724[22:02:32] <Saphire> Fuck
L725[22:11:38] <gamax92> hmm, onUpdate apparently not being called.
L726[22:13:54] <gamax92> or I'm just stupid
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L728[22:18:10] <Saphire> gamax92: hm?
L729[22:18:25] <gamax92> I put an infinite loop in there so of course it never got called and hung
L730[22:25:46] <Saphire> whatcha doing?
L731[22:34:01] <gamax92> writing code for ocvm
L732[22:34:12] <gamax92> and ... I have no idea how to make a key event :D
L733[22:34:23] <gamax92> the compiler won't take this
L734[22:36:23] <Saphire> Huh? O.o
L735[22:37:06] <gamax92> also there's not only a keysym and keycode field, but also a vector of characters
L736[22:37:48] <gamax92> but key_down event only has two things anyway, so wtf is this vector of characters
L737[22:41:15] <gamax92> payonel: hi.
L738[22:41:25] <payonel> gamax92: o/
L739[22:41:52] <gamax92> payonel: of course discuss here ._.
L740[22:42:07] <payonel> KeyEvent is any event from a keyboard, which is why i stored the clipboard string in it
L741[22:42:25] <gamax92> so if insert is for clipboard, what do I put in keysym and keycode
L742[22:42:40] <payonel> nothing, the insert is checked first
L743[22:42:48] <payonel> nothing, anything, doesn't matter
L744[22:43:00] <payonel> oh, well, not 1
L745[22:43:05] <payonel> hrm.. :) haha
L746[22:43:40] <payonel> i should give inert priority over anything else in that event, yeah, i'll move that up
L747[22:44:15] <payonel> I can't actually simulate clipboard from pty, so i've never tested or worked with that code
L748[22:49:27] <Izaya> I was gonna set up an in-OS clipboard for MultICE at some point
L749[22:50:02] <payonel> gamax92: so ... Frame class better? except onUpdate isn't being called?
L750[22:50:08] <gamax92> fixed that
L751[22:50:11] <payonel> ok
L752[22:50:11] <gamax92> and yeah
L753[22:50:48] * Izaya makes an issue for himself because his memory doesn't last more than a week in most cases
L754[22:51:55] * Izaya hmms
L755[22:53:00] * Mimiru sighs at http://paste.pc-logix.com/raw/wowafuvomi
L756[22:53:09] <Mimiru> this guy is waaaaay past a screw loose..
L757[22:53:50] <Izaya> what even
L758[22:53:57] <Izaya> context?
L759[22:55:27] <Mimiru> Once upon a time there was a Superhero MMO, called City of Heroes, it was shutdown by NCSoft in 2012, and a Friend and I started working on a recreation of the zones in UE4, this is this guys reaction to getting banned on our forums because he'd have rants like this often
L760[22:57:00] <Izaya> ._.
L761[22:57:37] <Mimiru> He'd ban evade, we'd ban again, I'd ban his ISP's IP range for a few days, he'd use tor and sign up again...
L762[22:57:38] <Mimiru> lol
L763[22:57:49] <Mimiru> I had to ban TOR nodes from my entire box cause of him.
L764[22:57:51] <Izaya> why even bother?
L765[22:59:00] <Mimiru> Why bother banning him, or why did he bother?
L766[22:59:07] <Mimiru> if the former, because ffs...
L767[22:59:10] <Mimiru> if the latter IDK.
L768[22:59:29] <Izaya> Why did he bother?
L769[22:59:34] <Mimiru> Yeah, no idea.
L770[22:59:44] <Mimiru> it was like his fucking gods given right to play the game.
L771[23:00:03] <Mimiru> and NCSoft shutting it down was a personal attack against him.
L772[23:00:04] <Mimiru> idk.
L773[23:01:10] <Izaya> I don't think he is your community
L774[23:01:13] <Izaya> Part of, sure
L775[23:01:19] <Izaya> but not just your community
L776[23:01:22] <Izaya> ~issues~
L777[23:01:23] <Mimiru> lol
L778[23:02:45] <payonel> issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dqMyh4ILIg
L779[23:02:45] <MichiBot> Julia Michaels - Issues (Audio) | length: 2m 57s | Likes: 460,196 Dislikes: 14,847 Views: 49,443,088 | by JuliaMichaelsVEVO | Published On 13/1/2017
L780[23:04:05] <payonel> there are 14.847 people that are wrong on the internet
L781[23:04:31] <payonel> s/\./,/
L782[23:04:31] <MichiBot> <payonel> there are 14,847 people that are wrong on the internet
L783[23:04:42] <payonel> or maybe there is a person that is .847 wrong
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L791[23:45:49] <gamax92> Mimiru: new copypasta?
L792[23:45:57] <Mimiru> ?
L793[23:46:10] <gamax92> that rant
L794[23:46:13] <Mimiru> Oh
L795[23:46:14] <Mimiru> lol
L796[23:48:49] <gamax92> payonel: well I've gotten back up to the old functionality level of a screen with working font and color, super basic keyboard support in
L797[23:49:10] <gamax92> the fun thing about SDL2 is that I have to merge together two events to get one OC event
L798[23:50:31] <payonel> yeah? does it fire a key_pressed event as well as key_press?
L799[23:52:10] <Saphire> gamax92: what about glfw?
L800[23:53:12] <gamax92> payonel: keydown and textinput
L801[23:53:45] <gamax92> keydown has keysym and symcode, but the keysym doesn't take into account stuff like shift being pressed to get capital letters
L802[23:53:47] <payonel> textinput fires for repeated key when held? and keydown only when it is first pressed?
L803[23:53:56] <payonel> ah
L804[23:53:59] <gamax92> keydown and textinput is both repeated
L805[23:54:04] <payonel> i see
L806[23:55:10] <Izaya> time to try out the PowerPC haiku version
L807[23:55:12] <gamax92> and yeah it usually (perhaps guarenteed?) comes in the order of keydown -> textinput, so I have to store keydown data for later to be parsed by the textinput handler
L808[23:55:39] <gamax92> if keydown gets called and there's old stored data then make event, and if the end of the event loop is called and there's old data then make event
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L810[23:55:58] <gamax92> cause textinput isn't always fired off for things that arent characters like pressing shift
L811[23:58:37] <Saphire> Uh
L812[23:58:50] <Saphire> Why do you bother with textinput?
L813[23:59:06] <gamax92> Saphire: so that I have the right input?
L814[23:59:09] <Saphire> Can't you just store shift state by yourself?
L815[23:59:13] <Saphire> And others
L816[23:59:19] <gamax92> no
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