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L1[00:00:03] <gamax92> now I don't know if I've modified this or not...
L2[00:02:58] <Temia> o.o
L3[00:03:20] <Temia> Quassel clients can't rewrite messages in the core, I think, but now I'm intensely curious as to what changes you made.
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L6[00:05:17] <gamax92> Temia: on desktop I have it so that it parses Corded messages and makes them into normal messages with a prefixed username
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L9[00:07:42] <gamax92> It's entirely possible I've modified my version of quasseldroid but I don't remember doing so nor would even know where to start looking
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L12[00:20:22] <gamax92> Oh ... Heh I know why.
L13[00:21:02] <gamax92> Temia: I upgraded the core recently and guess what change also made it into the core :P
L14[00:22:32] <Temia> Ahh.
L15[00:22:37] <Temia> That'd do it.
L16[00:23:13] <gamax92> I should go remove that
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L18[00:26:14] <Saphire> Uh, I have same done by a WeeChat script
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L24[00:50:10] <Skye> Morning
L25[00:50:31] <gamax92> "Version Downgrade" lol
L26[00:50:34] * Skye nibbles on Saphire in retaliation!
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L30[00:53:57] <Saphire> Heh
L31[00:54:11] <Saphire> gamax92: huh/
L32[00:54:13] <Saphire> *?
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L34[00:55:52] <gamax92> Saphire: installing packages over adb
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L44[01:40:18] <pandalover> hello
L45[01:40:41] <pandalover> @vi
L46[01:40:48] <pandalover> help
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L48[01:41:55] <Forecaster> ...
L49[01:42:01] <Forecaster> @vi?
L50[01:42:13] <Forecaster> attempt at bot command? :P
L51[01:43:36] <Izaya> Okay
L52[01:43:43] <Izaya> Next set of insanity
L53[01:43:52] <Izaya> Gonna build Darwin/XNU for PPC
L54[01:44:01] <Izaya> See if I can boot it on my shitbox Mac
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L83[04:30:01] <Forecaster> %juggle
L84[04:30:05] * MichiBot juggles with LexManos, a ping timeout & striped kneesocks
L85[04:30:09] * MichiBot drops a ping timeout which takes 2 damage
L86[04:30:10] <MichiBot> ohno
L87[04:30:25] <Ashindigo_> oh good lex is still ok
L88[04:31:08] <Forecaster> for now...
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L90[04:31:38] <Lizzy> %give Lizzy striped kneesocks
L91[04:31:42] * MichiBot gives Lizzy striped kneesocks from her inventory
L92[04:31:45] <Lizzy> :)
L93[04:31:49] * Lizzy puts them on
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L95[04:33:31] <Forecaster> :O
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L97[04:42:09] <Lizzy> ?
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L104[05:20:01] <Skye> %inv add cute clothes
L105[05:20:06] <MichiBot> Skye: Added 'cute clothes' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L106[05:21:00] <SixDev> Skye, are you a fan of railcraft?
L107[05:21:23] <Skye> It's better than without railcraft so kinda?
L108[05:21:38] <SixDev> I just got Railcraft 1.0 :)
L109[05:22:15] <SixDev> And I got rights to redistribute a whole bunch of old versions no longer available on the site
L110[05:22:28] <Lizzy> ?
L111[05:23:06] <SixDev> sorry that I am talking of about RC in here I just so happy
L112[05:28:30] <Forecaster> the nerve!
L113[05:42:01] <Izaya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7ln3d-WO-s
L114[05:42:02] <MichiBot> An Honest Trailer - Druaga1 | length: 2m 23s | Likes: 423 Dislikes: 2 Views: 2,567 | by Druaga1 | Published On 27/3/2017
L115[05:46:26] <Temia> Given the name I almost expecting something related to the Tower of Druaga.
L116[05:46:41] <Temia> I don't know why I get my hopes up like this. '^'
L117[05:48:06] <Forecaster> he made an honest trailer about himself? :P
L118[05:51:12] <Izaya> Yes.
L119[05:51:33] <SixDev> Square Pizza lol
L120[05:51:50] * Lizzy wants pizza
L121[05:51:58] * Izaya has chicken
L122[05:51:59] * SixDev wants more old mods
L123[05:52:29] <Izaya> I'd love IC2, Buildcraft and Better than Wolves for b1.7_01
L124[05:54:31] <SixDev> do you know what version of buildcraft?
L125[05:54:43] <Izaya> Not 100%
L126[05:56:10] <SixDev> I have this: http://i.imgur.com/wKAWKUA.png
L127[05:56:56] <SixDev> that is ic2 for 1.7.3 beta
L128[06:00:52] * Saphire hums
L129[06:01:19] <SixDev> @Izaya b1.7_01 did that even exist?
L130[06:01:38] <Izaya> 1.7.something_01 probably
L131[06:01:48] <Izaya> it was a long time ago I forget
L132[06:02:12] <SixDev> according to multimc there was b1.5_01
L133[06:02:18] <SixDev> but not b1.7_01
L134[06:02:56] <SixDev> I checked in regular launcher no b1.7_01
L135[06:07:46] * Skye steals Izaya's chicken ? and gives to Saphire
L136[06:07:56] <Skye> SixDev, asie would be interested
L137[06:08:03] <Izaya> Skye: renderable characters pls
L138[06:08:18] <SixDev> interested in what?
L139[06:08:23] <SixDev> railcraft?
L140[06:08:25] <Skye> Old mods
L141[06:08:30] <SixDev> yeah I know
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L143[06:10:51] <Andronio> кто здесь:
L144[06:11:01] <SixDev> wut
L145[06:11:18] <Andronio> hello
L146[06:11:34] <Forecaster> hi
L147[06:13:33] <Skye> Saphire, halp
L148[06:16:45] <Andronio> where am I?
L149[06:17:09] <Totoro> in the middle of nowhere :P
L150[06:17:22] <Andronio> :D
L151[06:17:28] <Andronio> Really?
L152[06:18:46] <Forecaster> Right of albuquerque
L153[06:49:42] <Saphire> Skye: yus?
L154[06:50:17] <Saphire> Izaya: weechat script that makes emoji into plain text
L155[06:53:41] <Izaya> That's not what I want
L156[06:53:44] <Izaya> I want emoji to go die
L157[07:13:53] <AmandaC> Your feedback has been filled in the ♻️ input chest
L158[07:14:43] <Izaya> to the square input chest, okay
L159[07:15:16] <Gavin> hmmmm
L160[07:15:46] <AmandaC> https://goo.gl/images/vRhN4B
L161[07:16:34] <Forecaster> did you mean "filed"?
L162[07:16:37] <Gavin> opening a lua interpreter and typing print(computer.freeMemory()) over and over seems to go all over the place, creating a very large varaible (say a 64kbyte string) and then typing that again doesn't seem to change it... am I completely not getting how memory works in OC?
L163[07:16:56] <Forecaster> uh
L164[07:17:02] <Forecaster> payonel and or Vexatos
L165[07:17:07] <Forecaster> probably knows that
L166[07:17:12] <AmandaC> Forecaster: on from mobile, I blame autocorrect
L167[07:17:23] <Forecaster> %blame autocorrect
L168[07:17:27] * MichiBot blames autocorrect for Half-life 3 not being out
L169[07:20:05] <AmandaC> I buy it. Have you ever tried to code on a phone?
L170[07:22:05] <Katie> yes, so I bought a BT keyboard lol
L171[07:22:06] <Izaya> I have a bluetooth keyboard and ConnectBot for a reason.
L172[07:22:48] <Izaya> a half-decent keyboard, ssh, Linux, it's doable if not the nicest.
L173[07:23:06] * AmandaC throws rocks at Izaya
L174[07:23:17] <Izaya> \o/
L175[07:23:21] <Izaya> What'd I do this time?
L176[07:23:44] * AmandaC cuddles up with Katie since Inari's not here
L177[07:24:31] <Forecaster> I've tried phone-coding, wasn't nice
L178[07:24:55] <Forecaster> was a pinch though
L179[07:25:03] <Ashindigo_> s/with Katie/with a knife
L180[07:25:03] <MichiBot> <AmandaC> cuddles up with a knife since Inari's not here
L181[07:25:08] <Ashindigo_> That's what I read :|
L182[07:25:17] * Ashindigo_ is blind as hell
L183[07:25:30] <AmandaC> BT keyboards don't use autocorrect
L184[07:25:39] <AmandaC> (by default)
L185[07:26:37] <Forecaster> a Katnife
L186[07:27:07] <Katie> I'm a knife... good to know I guess
L187[07:28:00] <Izaya> how sharp of you to notice
L188[07:28:03] * Izaya runs
L189[07:28:14] <Katie> http://www.badum-tish.com/
L190[07:28:36] <Katie> %addcommand badumtish http://www.badum-tish.com/
L191[07:28:40] <MichiBot> Katie: Command Added
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L193[07:35:33] <AmandaC> I don't think either Katie or Inari are into knife play, ash
L194[07:35:48] <AmandaC> (and neither am I)
L195[07:35:57] <AmandaC> Ohai Inari
L196[07:36:07] <Inari> What did I walk into
L197[07:36:23] <AmandaC> Ashindigo_ being blind
L198[07:36:32] <AmandaC> %oclogs
L199[07:36:33] <MichiBot> https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/
L200[07:36:34] <Inari> blindfolds? Lewd
L201[07:37:04] * AmandaC cuddles Inari
L202[07:37:30] * Inari tugs on AmandaC's ears
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L204[07:40:45] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L205[07:40:49] * MichiBot brushes AmandaC with a love letter. AmandaC recovers 3 health!
L206[07:40:55] * AmandaC twitches get other ear
L207[07:41:01] <AmandaC> Her*
L208[07:42:05] <AmandaC> :o
L209[07:42:15] <AmandaC> A love letter? From who!?
L210[07:42:27] <Inari> Who knows
L211[07:44:57] * AmandaC lays in a contorted, abstract layout in Inari's lap that doesn't look comfortable at all
L212[07:45:15] <Inari> You're such a cat
L213[07:45:23] <AmandaC> :p
L214[07:45:50] <Inari> %inv add a manual to catgirl care
L215[07:45:51] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'a manual to catgirl care' to inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L216[07:46:15] <Inari> Chapter 4
L217[07:46:15] <Inari> Heat
L218[07:46:46] <AmandaC> My simulation does not include thatv aspect of cats
L219[07:48:43] * Lizzy meows
L220[07:49:57] * Inari sprays AmandaC with catnip wine
L221[07:51:35] <Ashindigo_> %pet Lizzy
L222[07:51:39] * MichiBot pets Lizzy with well. Lizzy recovers 4 health!
L223[07:52:20] <Forecaster> I wonder if MichiBot received that update yet
L224[07:52:25] <Forecaster> %inv add well.
L225[07:52:28] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'well.' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L226[07:52:30] <Forecaster> nope
L227[07:52:43] <Forecaster> %inv remove well.
L228[07:52:43] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Removed item from inventory
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L232[07:54:56] <Forecaster> %inv add well.
L233[07:55:00] <MichiBot> Forecaster: I already have one of those.
L234[07:55:10] <Forecaster> %inv remove well
L235[07:55:12] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Removed item from inventory
L236[07:55:16] <Forecaster> %inv add well.
L237[07:55:16] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Added 'well' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L238[07:55:19] <Forecaster> yey
L239[07:56:05] <Inari> %inv add zango.com
L240[07:56:10] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'zango.com' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L241[07:56:29] <Katie> "The site ahead contains malware"
L242[07:56:33] <Katie> Nice....
L243[07:56:40] <Forecaster> which site? o.o
L244[07:56:44] <Mettaton_Fab> %pet Inari
L245[07:56:45] <Forecaster> oh
L246[07:56:48] * MichiBot brushes Inari with a union-jack hoody. Inari recovers 4 health!
L247[07:56:48] <Katie> the one Inari just added.
L248[07:56:53] <Inari> Hm
L249[07:56:58] <Inari> Does it?
L250[07:56:58] <Katie> %inv remove zango.com
L251[07:57:02] <MichiBot> Katie: Removed item from inventory
L252[07:57:08] <Katie> that's what chrome and ff say
L253[07:57:17] <Inari> Interesting
L254[07:57:19] <Katie> and I'm not clicking proceed anyway
L255[07:57:21] <Inari> got the name wrong then :P
L256[07:57:31] <Mettaton_Fab> %inv add 512MB DDR400 RAM
L257[07:57:32] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: Added '512MB DDR400 RAM' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L258[07:57:32] <AmandaC> Inari only uses ie6 so she'd not know
L259[07:57:37] * AmandaC flees
L260[07:57:42] <Forecaster> did you mean zombo.com ?
L261[07:57:47] <Inari> Ah yeah
L262[07:57:48] <Inari> That one
L263[07:57:54] <Katie> lol
L264[07:58:00] <Katie> fucking zombo..
L265[07:58:02] <Mettaton_Fab> %inv add zombo.com
L266[07:58:03] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: Added 'zombo.com' to inventory. I love this! This is my new favourite thing!
L267[07:58:55] <AmandaC> Forecaster: so I guess you got tired of me putting sentences into MichiBot ? :P
L268[07:59:24] <AmandaC> %inv add world peace
L269[07:59:28] <Forecaster> I'm fine with sentences as long as they don't break my sentences :P
L270[07:59:28] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Added 'world peace' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L271[08:00:53] <AmandaC> %inv add global thermonuclear war
L272[08:00:53] <MichiBot> AmandaC: Added 'global thermonuclear war' to inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L273[08:04:43] <Mettaton_Fab> %inv add BFG 9000
L274[08:04:43] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: Added 'BFG 9000' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L275[08:07:39] <Gavin> The screens, can they only display text? so if I want to draw a picture, I use ascii art of use unicode drawing characters?
L276[08:12:56] <Forecaster> they display text and boxes
L277[08:13:04] <Forecaster> (a filled character space)
L278[08:16:05] <Forecaster> %inv count
L279[08:16:09] <MichiBot> The inventory contains 147 items.
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L283[08:36:52] <TheMadMen> trying to play with the drone, I've watch the christmas video, but the code doesn't work anymore, I've isolated the bug to the computer.pullSignal() command who doesn't wait for a signal anymore, and return nil, who make the whole thing crash.
L284[08:37:47] <TheMadMen> Any changes in OpenComputers v1.6 that modify the pullSignal() behavior ^
L285[08:37:49] <TheMadMen> ?
L286[08:38:59] <Forecaster> no, it should wait forever if no timeout is specified
L287[08:39:15] <TheMadMen> it doesn't.
L288[08:39:21] <Forecaster> that's odd
L289[08:39:30] <TheMadMen> I've written a very simple program, 3 lines.
L290[08:40:00] <TheMadMen> local modem = component.proxy(component.list("modem")())
L291[08:40:08] <TheMadMen> modem.open(1)
L292[08:40:38] <TheMadMen> local signal, _, _, _, _, command = computer.pullSignal()
L293[08:40:42] <TheMadMen> that is it.
L294[08:41:03] <Forecaster> how do you know it's returning nil?
L295[08:41:09] <TheMadMen> the drone just return me an error message, saying that it expected a string but got nil instead.
L296[08:41:49] <TheMadMen> I've copy / paste the program from the christmas gift video, same error message.
L297[08:41:50] <Forecaster> which line?
L298[08:42:11] <Forecaster> 3 I'm guessing but still
L299[08:42:57] <TheMadMen> no line : "Bad argument #1 : string expected, returned nil
L300[08:44:10] <Forecaster> maybe component.list("modem")() is returning nil
L301[08:44:15] <Izaya> Oh right I never replied
L302[08:44:18] <Izaya> @MGR you're deluded.
L303[08:44:22] <TheMadMen> in lua, I've copy the computer.pullSignal() ( with require("computer") ) off course.
L304[08:45:08] <Forecaster> are you sure there is a modem in the drone?
L305[08:45:09] <TheMadMen> You made me recheck the drone....
L306[08:45:22] <TheMadMen> you are right.
L307[08:45:51] <Izaya> Okay uh
L308[08:45:53] <TheMadMen> Thank you.
L309[08:46:02] <Forecaster> no problem
L310[08:46:04] <Izaya> a: on a drone there's no require
L311[08:46:05] <TheMadMen> no wireless network card.
L312[08:46:11] <Izaya> unless that program is on the computer
L313[08:46:22] <TheMadMen> I've test the behavior on a computer tier 3
L314[08:50:49] <Forecaster> a computer is not the same as a drone
L315[08:55:17] <TheMadMen> I know, TY, you've played a lot with OC ?
L316[08:55:56] * Michiyo yawn blehs
L317[08:57:12] <TheMadMen> Thank you, will go back to the program, and test is... again.
L318[08:57:35] <TheMadMen> BRB in half an hour, let you know how it worked.
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L320[08:58:31] <Ashindigo_> a drone is like a flyable mcu -_-
L321[09:03:18] <Forecaster> it *is* a flying mcu
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L323[09:04:02] <TheMadMen> Hey... thank you, worked like a charm.
L324[09:04:09] <Forecaster> great
L325[09:04:23] <Forecaster> having a modem usually helps with receiving modem messages :P
L326[09:05:06] <TheMadMen> lol, such a good feeling to see the drone work, after having scratch my head that much.
L327[09:06:17] <payonel> o/
L328[09:07:16] <TheMadMen> Hey payonel... saw your OC changes video.\
L329[09:07:32] <payonel> i should make more videos
L330[09:07:36] <TheMadMen> Thank you for the fun i'm having with the mod of your team.
L331[09:07:41] <payonel> i need an awesome production crew! :)
L332[09:07:42] <Vexatos> wait what
L333[09:07:44] <Vexatos> payonel, psl
L334[09:07:47] <Vexatos> pls
L335[09:07:52] <Vexatos> why did you not tell me
L336[09:08:02] <payonel> vexplz
L337[09:08:07] <Forecaster> plzplz
L338[09:08:10] <payonel> tell you what?
L339[09:08:24] <payonel> they're referring to the old btm video
L340[09:08:25] <Forecaster> about hiring production crews
L341[09:08:30] <TheMadMen> Creating my first real OC program, to automate the Deep-Resonant crystal creation.
L342[09:09:02] <TheMadMen> I've build myself a really sweet computer lab in my FTB Beyond game.
L343[09:09:03] <Vexatos> payonel, oh >_>
L344[09:09:10] <Vexatos> payonel, I thought you made videos now
L345[09:09:37] <Vexatos> But FTB Beyond has neither the Flamingo mod nor Computronics
L346[09:09:39] <Vexatos> literally unplayable
L347[09:09:44] <payonel> HAHA :)
L348[09:10:21] <TheMadMen> lol
L349[09:10:32] <TheMadMen> It is playable... just more of a challenge.
L350[09:10:38] <TheMadMen> ;)
L351[09:12:12] <payonel> TheMadMen: glad you're enjoying the mod! if you have trouble writing the scripts keep in mind we have a pretty awesome emulator, too
L352[09:12:30] <payonel> also, i'm working on a alternative emulator (it's crap in comparison, but a work in progress)
L353[09:12:32] <TheMadMen> you do ?
L354[09:12:38] <TheMadMen> emulator ?
L355[09:12:53] <payonel> yeah, just for running computers
L356[09:13:09] <TheMadMen> ok... :)
L357[09:13:26] <payonel> it has a modem and all the loot floppies
L358[09:13:29] <TheMadMen> emulator out of the game ?
L359[09:13:57] <payonel> TheMadMen: it's like just having the screen to your oc computer
L360[09:14:10] <payonel> no minecraft world, no mods to interact with
L361[09:14:21] <TheMadMen> Do you know where I can find it ?
L362[09:14:36] <payonel> of course, https://github.com/gamax92/OCEmu
L363[09:14:46] <TheMadMen> I can create dummy object, to see what he is doing.
L364[09:15:12] <payonel> and mine, which is probably a month away from really working as it should: https://github.com/payonel/ocvm/
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L366[09:16:12] <payonel> TheMadMen: ocemu is cross platform (windows, mac, linux) and the screen is a graphical widget
L367[09:16:43] <payonel> mine targets linux primarily, and mac support is in scope. it is command line only
L368[09:17:27] <TheMadMen> cool.
L369[09:17:39] <TheMadMen> It will help.
L370[09:17:43] <TheMadMen> thank you.
L371[09:17:57] <TheMadMen> does edit have a copy paste function ?
L372[09:18:02] <payonel> no
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L374[09:18:36] <TheMadMen> anyother editor available for OpenOS ?
L375[09:18:46] <payonel> Vexatos: another editor in oppm?
L376[09:18:46] <RavenBoy> There's tdit
L377[09:18:52] <Vexatos> editor?
L378[09:19:01] <Vexatos> I once ported VimCC to OpenOS
L379[09:19:01] <payonel> text editor
L380[09:19:17] <Vexatos> https://github.com/HugoNikanor/VimCC -> https://github.com/Vexatos/VimOC
L381[09:19:18] <TheMadMen> Vi could be fun for me.
L382[09:19:23] <Vexatos> No clue how good it is
L383[09:19:24] <Vexatos> I never used it
L384[09:19:34] <TheMadMen> lol
L385[09:19:35] <Vexatos> I don't even know if it works
L386[09:19:39] <Vexatos> I never ran it once
L387[09:19:42] <payonel> haha
L388[09:19:42] <TheMadMen> oppm list Vim
L389[09:19:45] <TheMadMen> lol
L390[09:19:48] <Vexatos> It is not on oppn
L391[09:19:49] <Vexatos> oppm*
L392[09:19:53] <Vexatos> if it is it is not mine
L393[09:20:17] <TheMadMen> installing the emulator on my side mac :)
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L395[09:23:46] <TheMadMen> this emulator will help make the interface to my new OC program look good.
L396[09:24:57] <payonel> TheMadMen: i helped update the readme for ocemu for setting things up on mac, but if you have trouble getting it to start make sure you've followed the steps -- and feel free to ask if things don't work
L397[09:26:14] <TheMadMen> Thank you !
L398[09:26:29] <TheMadMen> Does the drones are rain proof ^
L399[09:26:30] <TheMadMen> ?
L400[09:29:38] <TheMadMen> little fix to your instruction, you need to sudo the luarocks-5.2 commands.
L401[09:30:47] <payonel> i'm less familiar with luarocks, but -- doesn't it have user-space support?
L402[09:31:07] <TheMadMen> gave me a no permission error.
L403[09:31:47] <TheMadMen> BTW, I like the blocks of Open Computers, the guys or gals who created them have talent.
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L406[09:37:33] <Michiyo> None of the theaters around me are playing GitS.. :/
L407[09:37:41] <Michiyo> %flip
L408[09:37:45] <MichiBot> Michiyo: (╯°□°）╯┻━┻
L409[09:38:00] <TheMadMen> Geeez.... enderman are anoying, they hide from the rain in my sweet base.
L410[09:38:05] <Mettaton_Fab> what is GitS?
L411[09:38:09] <Skye> TheMadMen, if you're talking about the textures, Sangar did that. Along with most of the mod. :P
L412[09:38:19] <payonel> ghost in the shell, i assume
L413[09:39:14] <TheMadMen> Sangar is very talented all around.
L414[09:39:22] <Michiyo> Ghost in the Shell indeed.
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L416[09:39:35] <payonel> Sangar is also a good big spoon
L417[09:39:38] <TheMadMen> Up 1
L418[09:39:47] <TheMadMen> lol
L419[09:48:57] <AmandaC> I should watch more of GitS: SAC 2
L420[09:56:05] <TYKUHN2> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/senate-votes-to-let-isps-sell-your-web-browsing-history-to-advertisers/
L421[09:56:30] <Forecaster> Gits, a documentary about people using git
L422[10:00:33] <vifino> I'd watch that
L423[10:00:51] <vifino> also the japanese translation: Bakas
L424[10:01:03] <payonel> it's be a horror flick
L425[10:01:07] <payonel> it'd*
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L427[10:06:35] <AmandaC> how does MC know if a mob should be spawned in peaceful?
L428[10:07:34] <Forecaster> presumably there is a "passive" flag
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L433[10:31:05] <gamax92> Hey payonel
L434[10:37:41] <payonel> gamax92: hi :D
L435[10:41:46] <gamax92> Payonel: you were a computer teacher before right?
L436[10:41:52] <payonel> yes
L437[10:44:45] <Skye> :o
L438[10:46:40] * viomi crawls out of bed and sleepily pokes IRC with a stick.
L439[10:47:17] <gamax92> payonel: How many times do you remember asking people to make something and getting something that looks nothing at all correct
L440[10:47:18] <gamax92> :P
L441[10:47:58] <payonel> ha....quite a few times; i didn't keep count
L442[10:48:21] <payonel> i taught ... 6 semesters i think, maybe 7
L443[10:49:30] <Mettaton_Fab> how many times did someone mess up very bad?
L444[10:50:11] <payonel> there were only 1 or 2 students per class that would have a really hard time with the work
L445[10:52:22] <payonel> gamax92: i'm mimicking oc's deflate+inflate model for colors now (thanks for the info) but i'm not redeflating when the depth changes. i can just loop through my buffer in the screen component right in the setDepth call ---
L446[10:52:41] <payonel> but i was wondering how you decided to handle that in ocemu, or, if you know how oc does it
L447[10:53:08] <gamax92> ocemu handles that by just taking all the colors on the screen and passing it back through the color choosing function
L448[10:53:12] <payonel> looking at the TextBuffer where the setColorDepth occurs, there isn't an update of this type, or a call to deflate the colors again that i saw
L449[10:53:40] <payonel> ok, cool -- i'll do something similar
L450[10:54:12] <gamax92> and I'll go look at OCs code cause it must happen somewhere
L451[10:55:40] <payonel> as for oc: i was thinking maybe the depth changed event is handled elsewhere
L452[10:56:31] <viomi> vifino: How's rust going for you?
L453[10:57:34] <payonel> gamax92: perhaps onBufferDepthChange { owner.host.markChanged() } or ClientProxy's onBufferDepthChange { markDirty() }/
L454[10:57:52] <payonel> (first one being ServerProxy's)
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L456[10:58:06] <payonel> xarses: o/
L457[10:58:17] <xarses> payonel: o/
L458[10:58:35] <AmandaC> g: Does your left joycon have the issue that Nintendo is replacing them for?
L459[11:05:26] <gamax92> Gee I wonder how that old iceball project is doing
L460[11:05:28] <gamax92> "Oh no, this domain has expired!"
L461[11:07:50] <vifino> viomi: As soon as rust tells me to use lifetimes, I'm screwed.
L462[11:08:11] <Ashindigo_> %inv add lifetimes
L463[11:08:15] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: Added 'lifetimes' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L464[11:09:17] <vifino> %inv del lifetimes
L465[11:09:21] <MichiBot> vifino: Unknown sub-command 'del' (Try: list, add, remove (rem), preserve (pre), unpreserve (unpre), count)
L466[11:09:23] <vifino> too terrible for the inventory.
L467[11:09:27] <vifino> %inv remove lifetimes
L468[11:09:28] <MichiBot> vifino: Removed item from inventory
L469[11:09:32] <viomi> You can't even code michibot. womp womp
L470[11:09:41] <vifino> :v
L471[11:09:58] <vifino> Don't make me feel worse than I already do. ;_;
L472[11:10:00] <payonel> vifino: as i think about vt100 my solution is to build a tty layer and i want to drop term as a boot library. instead, term would be more like a utility that makes tty calls for you
L473[11:10:14] <vifino> payonel: sounds good to me!
L474[11:10:23] <vifino> just make sure it's fast/efficient.
L475[11:10:27] <vifino> the vt100, i mean.
L476[11:10:28] <payonel> vifino: then, if ppl want to build advanced term window stuff, they wrap the tty in pty's
L477[11:10:31] <payonel> sound familiar? :)
L478[11:10:35] <vifino> hehehe, yes.
L479[11:11:09] <payonel> i can make it fast
L480[11:11:20] <gamax92> but can you make the boot up time faster
L481[11:11:24] <payonel> yes
L482[11:11:25] <gamax92> :v
L483[11:11:47] <gamax92> cool, then you can flaunt it as a fancy new feature that totally wasn't there before
L484[11:12:44] <payonel> :)
L485[11:18:03] <Mettaton_Fab> %inv add vifinos brain
L486[11:18:07] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: Added 'vifinos brain' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L487[11:21:23] <gamax92> vifino's brian?
L488[11:22:41] <vifino> My brian?
L489[11:22:53] <vifino> %inv rem vifinos brain
L490[11:22:57] <MichiBot> vifino: Removed item from inventory
L491[11:23:04] <vifino> MichiBot so fast.
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L493[11:24:58] <Inari> %inv add a MichiBot speed upgrade
L494[11:25:02] <MichiBot> Inari: I can't put myself in my inventory silly.
L495[11:25:11] <Inari> It an upgrade fro you silly
L496[11:25:12] <Inari> not you
L497[11:25:20] <Inari> %blame Forecaster
L498[11:25:20] * MichiBot blames Forecaster for ruptured tires
L499[11:27:26] <AmandaC> I no longer have a left joycon.
L500[11:28:01] <Inari> Uh
L501[11:28:02] <Inari> Okay?
L502[11:28:29] <AmandaC> Sending it to Nintendo to have a piece of foam glued onto it. :P
L503[11:28:37] <AmandaC> ( Fix for the desync issue )
L504[11:28:45] <Inari> How does that work
L505[11:28:52] <viomi> AmandaC: Ah, now I don't have to feel bad about not affording the switch.
L506[11:29:30] <AmandaC> Inari: no idea. :D
L507[11:29:38] <viomi> I'll wait for the "new switch ++" w/ a better dock and working joycons :b
L508[11:29:40] <AmandaC> viomi: it's just a small number of units that are affected, AIUI
L509[11:29:45] <viomi> A small number..?
L510[11:29:48] <viomi> >:)
L511[11:30:00] <AmandaC> "small" compared to the overall product count. :P
L512[11:30:05] <viomi> DXjZPULLxYr17uwoI01bNLQbtFemEgo7
L513[11:30:07] <payonel> Inari: http://media3.giphy.com/media/wu29mJA7MXBzG/giphy.gif
L514[11:30:08] <viomi> woops
L515[11:30:09] <viomi> wrong paste
L516[11:30:10] <viomi> ehue
L517[11:30:15] <viomi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-srOfRqNc
L518[11:30:16] <MichiBot> Nintendo Switch painful launch | length: 12m 15s | Likes: 158,763 Dislikes: 23,396 Views: 8,876,319 | by CrowbCat | Published On 6/3/2017
L519[11:31:02] <viomi> Also.. Nintendo literally posting on their support site "Dead pixels are normal for LCD screens and not a defect" are enough reason for me to never buy nintendo hardware again :b
L520[11:31:04] <AmandaC> meh, other than the desync (which nintendo's customer service was a breeze to talk to to get fixed ) I've not had any issues with mine.
L521[11:40:28] <Inari> viomi: Well they are, depending on what Class of display you get
L522[11:40:49] <viomi> They are a defect? You're right :b
L523[11:41:27] <viomi> If you mean they're normal.. No. If you get a monitor and there are dead pixels on arrival, they replace it for free.
L524[11:41:56] <viomi> Dead pixels happening over a large amount of time of using a screen? Yes, those are normal.
L525[11:42:16] <viomi> By "normal", Nintendo means "We won't replace it because we don't care about quality control with our screens."
L526[11:44:08] <AmandaC> Show me a monitor that costs 300$ and, on it's own, can play games, and I'll agree to that comparison. :P
L527[11:44:26] <viomi> I can do better.
L528[11:44:29] <AmandaC> Apples and oranges, is what I'm saying.
L529[11:44:31] <viomi> The PSP!
L530[11:44:40] <viomi> Sony will replace your PSP if it arrives with dead pixels.
L531[11:45:07] <Inari> Well for a e.g. class II there is an allownace for 2~3 dead pixels. I don't think it says whether those are on arival or during lifetime though :P
L532[11:45:43] <gamax92> like dead blocks in nand flash
L533[11:45:56] <gamax92> (My Wii had no dead blocks :D)
L534[11:46:03] <viomi> gamax92: Lucky.
L535[11:47:10] <viomi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tj7KhKPMg8
L536[11:47:11] <MichiBot> Why I Have 7 New 3DS Systems? (Switch better not have these problems) | length: 9m 55s | Likes: 6,157 Dislikes: 924 Views: 249,389 | by Erica Griffin | Published On 10/2/2017
L537[11:47:25] <viomi> I love the (Switch better not have these problems) because the switch does, indeed, have those problems xD
L538[11:47:58] <viomi> tfw Nintendo screws you over so you buy 6 more of their handhelds
L539[11:49:26] <Inari> Meanwhile, I just got my 3DS to play 3DS games :P It has something like a dead-ish pixel, but idc
L540[11:49:54] <viomi> Inari: Yeah, I own a n3ds. Their games are just so good.
L541[11:50:02] <viomi> If only their hardware division did half as good as their game division.
L542[11:50:14] <Inari> Switch doesn't have enough interestin games yet. And I'm poor :p
L543[11:50:24] <viomi> Like.. zelda botw? Holy fuck I want to play that game.
L544[11:50:32] <viomi> But I'm not going to pay $300 for it
L545[11:50:32] <vifino> metoo, thankyous.
L546[11:50:34] <gamax92> Inari: well there's botw, .. and fast rmx or something
L547[11:50:50] <gamax92> oh, snipperclips
L548[11:50:58] <AmandaC> Snipperclips is adorable and fun
L549[11:51:04] <viomi> I might pay $300 when they come out with the "better switch" with fixes for all these hardware issues and there are more games I'm excited to play on there.
L550[11:51:12] <Inari> Not interested in snipperclips or fast rmx :P
L551[11:51:48] <gamax92> oh right I was supposed to help payonel out
L552[11:51:56] <Inari> If they release an actaully well made harvest moon on it, that would be something
L553[11:52:38] <viomi> There hasn't been a good harvest moon since ds and ds cute >.>
L554[11:52:45] <viomi> just my opinion
L555[11:53:14] <S3> where dafuq is 6k
L556[11:53:17] <S3> :D
L557[11:53:34] <S3> CompanionCube: so we have a problem
L558[11:54:07] <AmandaC> viomi: SDV is adorable, and allows TEH GHAY to exist. Me and my adorable wife Abigail have two adopted kids, which just get dropped off in the dead of night after we agree to take them.
L559[11:54:15] <AmandaC> (Stardew Valley)
L560[11:54:16] <Inari> viomi: Which is why i said an actually well made harvest moon :P Not just "harvest moon"
L561[11:54:21] <Inari> Haven't palyed DS/ds cute though
L562[11:54:31] <S3> it's raining, snowing , and sleeting at the same time
L563[11:54:48] <Inari> SDV is okay. I feel its progression is a bit too fast and you run out of stuff to do
L564[11:55:00] <viomi> I've played stardew valley!
L565[11:55:03] <viomi> My gf bought it for us
L566[11:55:28] <viomi> And.. I used a mod to make sebastian a girl >.>
L567[11:55:44] <S3> sdv?
L568[11:56:00] <viomi> S3: Stardew Valley.
L569[11:56:46] <S3> I've been playing PSO2 lately
L570[11:56:48] <viomi> Inari: I agree. I ran out of things to do in SDV pretty quickly but. I still enjoyed it during my short playthrough.
L571[11:56:50] <S3> best MMO I ever played
L572[11:56:55] <viomi> S3: PSO2?
L573[11:57:03] <S3> Phantasy Star Online 2
L574[11:57:07] <AmandaC> Phantasy Star Online, IIRS
L575[11:57:11] <AmandaC> IIRC*
L576[11:58:16] <S3> the boss battles late in game can take like 45 minutes, are multi stage, and not just giant opengl objects to whack at, there's actually like technique to it
L577[11:58:55] <S3> imagine like late game FFX!V but an action button mashing hacknslash rpg
L578[11:59:06] <S3> I'm a spellcaster, so it's kinda fun
L579[11:59:10] <viomi> eh
L580[11:59:15] <viomi> Dark souls i my favorite mmo
L581[11:59:20] <viomi> :b
L582[11:59:37] <S3> the only real downside of PSO2 is that it's japaneese online
L583[11:59:40] <S3> ony*
L584[11:59:42] <S3> only*
L585[11:59:46] <S3> so you gotta patch it for english
L586[12:00:25] <Inari> viomi: It did a lot of things well better than recent HM games, yeah
L587[12:00:53] <Inari> I'm not sure I'd call PSO2 a MMO
L588[12:00:59] <Inari> Unless tehy changed something
L589[12:01:08] <S3> Inari: why not?
L590[12:01:11] <S3> it's MMO..
L591[12:01:12] <S3> lol
L592[12:01:23] <S3> there's tons of players too
L593[12:01:30] <gamax92> and it's online
L594[12:01:32] <S3> even the english playing community is quite large
L595[12:01:55] <Inari> I dunno, I tend to think a MMO requires a large persistent world or so :P
L596[12:02:09] <Inari> Afaik outside thel obby its all instanced in pso2
L597[12:02:09] <viomi> Nah.
L598[12:02:13] <S3> that's a new thing
L599[12:02:23] <S3> MMOs have been out loing before that was even really possible
L600[12:02:30] <viomi> Yep.
L601[12:02:41] <viomi> Dark Souls is my favorite MMO ;b
L602[12:03:06] <S3> although Planetside 1 was one of the first open worldish MMOs
L603[12:03:11] <S3> it wasn't full open world but
L604[12:03:18] <S3> I used to play that religiously
L605[12:03:44] <Inari> I liked PSO:BB for a hwile
L606[12:03:56] <S3> PSO2 is so much better than PSO 1
L607[12:04:00] <S3> I played PSO 1 but
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L609[12:04:08] <S3> PSO2 feels like a completely different game
L610[12:04:16] <gamax92> Could you say that
L611[12:04:20] <gamax92> it's a whole new world?
L612[12:04:23] <S3> ROFL
L613[12:04:26] <Inari> Well
L614[12:04:29] <Inari> once its out in English, I'll try it
L615[12:04:32] <viomi> lol
L616[12:04:48] <S3> you should try it with the patch, it's definately playable without an english release
L617[12:04:51] <Inari> Tried
L618[12:04:54] <S3> plys its free
L619[12:04:55] <Inari> Lots of untranslated dialogue
L620[12:04:57] <viomi> Massively Multiplayer persistent worlds...
L621[12:04:58] <viomi> Like MUDs?
L622[12:05:12] <Inari> I kind of tend to like to know what poeple say xD
L623[12:05:17] <S3> viomi: even a lot of those aren't actually really persistent..
L624[12:05:24] <viomi> S3: ...?
L625[12:05:30] <S3> I play a lot of miuds
L626[12:05:32] <S3> muds*
L627[12:05:39] <S3> in fact my game engine I wrote is a MUD :D
L628[12:05:53] <vifino> You like to play with mud? Me too!
L629[12:05:53] <viomi> They're more persistent than things like WoW
L630[12:05:55] <S3> I gotta finish that project..
L631[12:06:00] <viomi> So I'm not sure what you mean by not persistent.
L632[12:06:04] <S3> viomi: right
L633[12:06:09] <payonel> Inari: https://i.imgur.com/6GFXrnv.gifv
L634[12:06:12] <viomi> I work with a lot of MOOs and the like
L635[12:06:28] * Lizzy morphs into mud and sits infront of vifino
L636[12:06:37] <Inari> Cat's got PTSD
L637[12:07:16] * Lizzy morphs back into her catgirl self and snuggle-tackles viomi
L638[12:07:18] <Lizzy> err
L639[12:07:21] * Lizzy morphs back into her catgirl self and snuggle-tackles vifino
L640[12:07:23] <Inari> Haha
L641[12:07:26] <Lizzy> ffs
L642[12:07:38] * viomi does a blush or something idk
L643[12:07:41] * Lizzy wonders if she can prioritize people for tabl completion
L644[12:07:45] <viomi> Nice name vifino
L645[12:07:50] <Lizzy> no snuggle-tackles for you viomi
L646[12:07:51] <vifino> Lizzy: That was a joke.
L647[12:07:53] <viomi> Lizzy are you going to unprioritize me D:
L648[12:08:16] <S3> viomi: oh man, if you want mind=blown, I'm using the MUD I wrote to create a 3D game. DAFUQ! This is done by using the MUD as the game server and writing an OpenGL client that interacts with the MUD..
L649[12:08:19] <vifino> I don't actually like playing with mud.
L650[12:08:33] <Inari> Poor Lizzy just wanted to be played iwth and touched all over
L651[12:08:35] <viomi> S3: That's pretty cool actually. Open source so I can contribute or nah?
L652[12:08:37] <Lizzy> viomi, no, i'ma just prioritize vifino
L653[12:08:40] <vifino> I thought that was obvious...
L654[12:08:43] <S3> viomi: this way, I can do speech to text, like "get torch from backpack" and itl move the inventory and pull the torch out of the backpack using aniumation on the client
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L656[12:08:46] <S3> :D
L657[12:08:51] <S3> viomi: it will be
L658[12:09:04] <S3> the mud can understand things like "get torch from backpack"
L659[12:09:07] <viomi> My friend does something sort-of-not-really similar
L660[12:09:17] <Inari> "get torch from my backpack"?
L661[12:09:19] <viomi> Where he uses IRC for his tabletop game
L662[12:09:27] <S3> as for moving around in 3D space, the cient uses JSON to interact with the server
L663[12:09:32] <Lizzy> right, i'ma go make/cook dinner and talk to my mum about moving out so back ina biot
L664[12:09:38] <gamax92> "eat torch"
L665[12:09:41] <S3> so the MUD just has a special filter that handles JSON input instead of text commands
L666[12:09:49] <viomi> Bye stranger! @Lizzy
L667[12:10:14] <S3> Lizzy: moving to germany?!
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L669[12:11:12] <viomi> S3: Setting for your MUD?
L670[12:11:20] <viomi> Oh wait, you're doing the engine.
L671[12:11:23] <viomi> :u
L672[12:11:28] <S3> Inari: yeah a lot of stuff is untranslated. They're making a new telepipe proxy that will translate on the fly, but the majority of things that aren't translating don't matter at all
L673[12:11:50] <viomi> S3: You ever play Sindome?
L674[12:11:55] <gamax92> so now you can get Engrish?
L675[12:11:59] <S3> viomi: I'm trying to come up with a new 3D engine too for the client, that doesn't use coordinates
L676[12:12:07] <S3> no I never did
L677[12:12:13] <Lizzy> S3, not yet. Just to my dad's for now
L678[12:12:14] <viomi> Aw, too bad.
L679[12:12:52] <Inari> It matters for game experience
L680[12:12:56] <viomi> Cyberpunk MUD.. It's good stuff. Sadly I never have time for roleplaying MUDs, so much investment is needed and I'm way too busy :L
L681[12:14:32] <S3> gamax92: there's an english patch, but with telepipe you can tell them it's not translated and not have to wait so long
L682[12:14:56] <S3> l
L683[12:15:19] <S3> the gameplay is so damn frigging awesome that I just don't care about what I can't read anyways
L684[12:15:23] <S3> and some of it you can just figure out
L685[12:15:42] <S3> like some of the skill tree was untranslated and I could just figure out what some things did by guessing
L686[12:15:47] <S3> or looking it up
L687[12:15:53] <S3> like now I can shoot stuff out of my wands
L688[12:15:58] <S3> instead of just cast spells
L689[12:16:04] <S3> that was not translated, but it made sens
L690[12:16:06] <S3> sense8
L691[12:16:21] <Inari> Hm didn't find the gameplay to be much. What sso good about it?
L692[12:16:45] <S3> Inari: well first of all, do you enjoy action based rpgs?
L693[12:16:54] <S3> that's a big if for many people
L694[12:17:06] <S3> a lot of people prefer like WoW style or whatnot
L695[12:17:28] <Inari> I do
L696[12:17:33] <S3> as you progress through the game it just gets better and better that's what I found
L697[12:17:40] <S3> and harder difficulties make it fun
L698[12:17:47] <S3> like I'm about level 30 now
L699[12:18:25] <S3> you get into some epic battles that make you wonder how you even survived, and boss battles where you were like OH SHIT how we gonna beat that?! and then a seccond one appears in the same room..
L700[12:18:26] <viomi> Action-based RPG = Dark Souls for me, S3
L701[12:18:32] <S3> heh
L702[12:18:40] <viomi> Same thing with the boss fights.
L703[12:18:54] <viomi> coop in that game is crazy fun too.
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L707[12:40:43] <Inari> Dark souls is nice in that its more evasion based than hp-based :P As in, you try to avoid taking hits rather than just soaking them
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L709[12:43:58] <gamax92> "YOU DIED"
L710[12:44:44] <S3> gamax92: ANSI FAIL
L711[12:44:50] <S3> PLEASE INSERT COIN
L712[12:45:08] <gamax92> S3: it's irc colors so if you got ansi fail then your irc client is a failure
L713[12:45:21] <Mettaton_Fab> "IHR SEID GESTORBEN"
L714[12:45:40] <viomi> S3: Yeah it showed up fine for me :b
L715[12:45:41] <Inari> Or in "modern" lingo
L716[12:45:48] <Inari> "u ded bruhhh lulz"
L717[12:45:56] <viomi> git gud
L718[12:45:58] <gamax92> git gud
L719[12:46:00] <viomi> LOL
L720[12:46:06] <Inari> git gud still always suggests I might want git gui instead
L721[12:46:19] <gamax92> become a state of gooey
L722[12:46:35] <viomi> git: 'gud' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
L723[12:46:50] <Inari> Yup
L724[12:46:54] <gamax92> ~w git gud
L725[12:46:54] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/api:guid
L726[12:46:58] <gamax92> close enough
L727[12:47:00] <Inari> Shorly followed by
L728[12:47:01] <Inari> Did you mean this?
L729[12:47:01] <Inari> gui
L730[12:47:03] <viomi> Lol
L731[12:47:13] * viomi hides behind Inari.
L732[12:47:14] <S3> wut.
L733[12:47:33] <viomi> S3: Unix/GNU term stuff.
L734[12:47:37] <S3> I'm sorry I can't make wishes
L735[12:47:38] <S3> /usr/lib/git-core/git-gui: line 10: exec: wish: not found
L736[12:47:39] <gamax92> once upon a time there was a bot before ocdoc that also handled the wiki
L737[12:47:49] <S3> I CANT MAKE WISHES!
L738[12:47:52] <viomi> lol
L739[12:47:55] <gamax92> but it sucked and didn't have real fuzzy string comparison and was down at the time
L740[12:48:02] <gamax92> so then I made ocdoc and gave it real fuzzy string comparison
L741[12:48:15] <S3> viomi didn't know I am a sysadmin
L742[12:48:20] <gamax92> the old bot did not have an auto updating database
L743[12:48:28] <gamax92> so ocdoc has an auto updating db, updates every sunday
L744[12:48:58] <Inari> %inv add a mass effect field
L745[12:49:02] <MichiBot> Inari: Added 'a mass effect field' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L746[12:49:18] <Inari> I wonder if PSO2 has side activities, marriage, and such
L747[12:49:57] <gamax92> S3: git-cola
L748[12:50:34] <gamax92> I do all my git stuff on the command line except for the actual creation of commits, I use git-cola for that
L749[12:51:19] <viomi> S3: Why would I
L750[12:51:22] <viomi> I'm new here remember
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L752[12:52:50] <gamax92> eugh, fruit flies :/
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L755[12:59:40] <S3> viomi: you're new?!
L756[13:00:25] <AmandaC> She's the new cute Yuri dragon maid we hired
L757[13:00:35] <S3> gamax92: think I should just roll a new network package alternative than fix it?
L758[13:00:51] <S3> something with nice documentation on how to actually write your own protocols..
L759[13:01:13] <S3> and something a bit even more generic
L760[13:03:06] <S3> viomi: what would you say if you could create an "internet" between your friends on seperate servers in Minecraft using OC?
L761[13:03:30] <Inari> viomi is just vifino in disguise
L762[13:03:47] <S3> nah
L763[13:04:06] <S3> Inari is just Sangar in disguise..
L764[13:04:07] <S3> :P
L765[13:04:10] <AmandaC> That would explain a lot. Like why only one of them are active at a tumblrina
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L767[13:04:29] <AmandaC> At a time*
L768[13:04:40] <S3> LOL
L769[13:04:47] <S3> tumblrina
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L771[13:05:29] <AmandaC> One day I'll learn to proofread the swipes I put in
L772[13:05:42] <S3> /n/nick tumblrina
L773[13:05:45] <S3> oops
L774[13:05:49] <Inari> So
L775[13:05:50] <S3> one day I will learn to type
L776[13:05:57] <Inari> why does your phone know tumblrina and favs it
L777[13:08:39] <AmandaC> Inari: no idea
L778[13:08:57] <vifino> Inari: I beg to differ.
L779[13:09:21] <vifino> While viomi and I have some parts in common, we are not the same.
L780[13:09:25] <ItDepends> Is there any way to make the hover boots autoclimb automatically, without having to press the sneaking key everytime?
L781[13:09:38] <S3> viomi: one of these nicks is not like the other one..
L782[13:09:38] <Inari> vifino: Which parts would that be
L783[13:09:45] <vifino> s/parts/interests/
L784[13:09:46] <MichiBot> <Inari> vifino: Which interests would that be
L785[13:09:50] <Inari> :p
L786[13:10:07] <vifino> In terms of parts, arms we both have.
L787[13:10:13] <vifino> Oh, and legs.
L788[13:11:38] <Inari> How do you know
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L790[13:12:31] <viomi> AmandaC: I'm actually the new cute yuri demon* made you hired.
L791[13:12:43] <viomi> maid* fml i'm tired
L792[13:13:13] <viomi> S3: The internet thing.. You mean like GERT?
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L794[13:14:06] <viomi> vifino: If I didn't have legs, you'd be feeling like a piece of shit right now
L795[13:14:13] <gamax92> uhm.
L796[13:15:05] <viomi> And as soon as I get back it's silent. Rip.
L797[13:15:45] <AmandaC> And yet, vifino is suddenly gone! Point: Proven,
L798[13:16:51] <S3> viomi: sure!
L799[13:17:25] <vifino> AmandaC: What?
L800[13:17:27] <viomi> AmandaC: Hey what if we're the same person but we don't know it
L801[13:17:38] <vifino> viomi: Yes, yes, very certainly.
L802[13:17:44] <viomi> :b
L803[13:17:53] <S3> viomi: OC comes with a loot disk called network
L804[13:17:55] <vifino> You do though.... Right??
L805[13:17:58] <viomi> S3: Yeah, and it doesn't work.
L806[13:18:12] <S3> unfortunately it's broken, and it's also kind of a poorly documented API with not a whole lot of room for features
L807[13:18:16] <viomi> vifino: Yes, I am fully bodily abled, so you don't have to feel terrible.
L808[13:18:20] <S3> so I'm trying to figure
L809[13:18:25] <viomi> S3: Make a new one with me? <3
L810[13:18:25] <S3> should I just write a new version of that viomi
L811[13:18:30] <viomi> ye
L812[13:18:32] <S3> (this has nothing to do with GERT)
L813[13:18:34] <vifino> AmandaC: I don't have audible or visual pings. Too much stress otherwise.
L814[13:18:35] <S3> or fix the one that's there
L815[13:18:43] <viomi> Hmm
L816[13:18:54] <viomi> The one that's there looks pretty confusing to me.
L817[13:18:56] <vifino> viomi: Yay! \o/
L818[13:19:02] <viomi> TBH I'd say starting from scratch would be just as difficult.
L819[13:19:24] <viomi> brb cuties, it's time for cereal :u
L820[13:19:27] <S3> better from scratch then
L821[13:19:32] <viomi> S3, agreed
L822[13:19:53] <vifino> S3: @20kdc has Copper, a working networking api.
L823[13:19:55] <S3> my iddle is to create middle-man networking stack
L824[13:20:04] <vifino> https://github.com/20kdc/OC-Copper
L825[13:20:07] <S3> so the idea is that the middleware network stack will be fixed
L826[13:20:17] <S3> it provides a way of creating network interfaces.
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L828[13:21:02] <S3> lua libraries or programs can manage interfaces, lower level drivers, and upper level drivers, which aren't anything special
L829[13:21:06] <vifino> Oh no, zsh went.
L830[13:21:07] <vifino> :(
L831[13:21:19] <vifino> RIP Services.
L832[13:21:50] <S3> viomi: it's a bit different in OC's case because normally you see a network card will have firmware on it that provides some protocol, such as ethernet, ATM + AAL, etc.
L833[13:22:05] <S3> however this doesn't exist on the Lan card, the linked card, Internet card, etc
L834[13:22:18] <S3> there's no "layer 2" firmware
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L837[13:24:00] <viomi> S3: This is true
L838[13:24:22] <S3> viomi: yeah. The issue is that I don't want to constrain to any sort of lower level protocol
L839[13:24:48] <viomi> Hmm..
L840[13:24:50] <S3> however I can provide drivers for all of the lower level stuff.
L841[13:24:53] <S3> for example
L842[13:25:20] <S3> I can provide miniature drivers for the linked card, and lan card, a loopback, and a virtual interface.
L843[13:25:24] <S3> etc
L844[13:25:31] <S3> even one for the Internet card
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L846[13:25:47] <S3> not sure how that one would work
L847[13:25:47] <viomi> Right, like network was attempting to do.
L848[13:25:53] <S3> yeah
L849[13:26:14] <S3> it would be nice to allow for multiple protocol support on the interfaces.
L850[13:26:24] <S3> example
L851[13:26:40] <S3> what if you wanted to setup an OCR network AND an IP network?
L852[13:26:56] <S3> we have a few choices:
L853[13:27:03] <S3> a) protocol aliasing (complex)
L854[13:27:10] <S3> b) alias interfaces (super easy)
L855[13:27:25] <S3> an alias interface is an instantiated copy of an interface that goes to the same lower level driver
L856[13:27:26] <AmandaC> k) Kill all humans
L857[13:27:36] <S3> AmandaC: ...
L858[13:27:39] <viomi> I'm going to go with option k
L859[13:28:07] <viomi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qBlPa-9v_M
L860[13:28:07] <MichiBot> Futurama - Bender's Dream (Kill All Humans) | length: 43s | Likes: 181 Dislikes: 3 Views: 21,667 | by Pope Facto | Published On 1/5/2016
L861[13:28:07] <S3> oh yeah option c, require a different interface and driver setup for each protocol (retarded)
L862[13:28:20] <S3> I think b is probably the best bet?
L863[13:28:34] <S3> however
L864[13:28:44] <S3> on *nix, IP and IPv6 can be on the same interface.
L865[13:29:13] <S3> those are higher level drivers, so I guess... it doesn't matter much
L866[13:29:17] <viomi> Why do people ever use IPv6 anyways...
L867[13:29:28] <vifino> ??
L868[13:29:29] <S3> viomi: I use it extensively
L869[13:29:37] <S3> ipv6 provides tons of benefits
L870[13:29:41] <Forecaster> I has been poked
L871[13:29:43] <S3> it's also faster than ipv4
L872[13:29:47] <Inari> Why not use ipv4 :P
L873[13:29:48] <Inari> Er
L874[13:29:49] <Inari> ipv6
L875[13:30:11] <viomi> Because it's not ipv4 ;3;
L876[13:31:21] <S3> the problem with combinining multiple higher level protocols on the same interface is receiving
L877[13:31:47] <S3> i.e. how do you generically know which higher level protocol needs the packet?
L878[13:32:19] <vifino> all of them.
L879[13:32:20] <S3> which is why aliasing interfaces might be better
L880[13:32:35] <S3> no wait the same problem exists with aliases..
L881[13:32:42] <S3> vifino: dangerous
L882[13:32:52] <S3> but yes that is one solution
L883[13:33:05] <S3> they can filter out "unrecognized packets"
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L885[13:33:44] <viomi> S3: That's what GERT does, though they don't have protocols and all that. They do filter out unrecognized packets though.
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L888[13:34:58] <S3> I have another solution that is almost exactly the same.
L889[13:35:05] <S3> what do you think of this
L890[13:35:11] <AmandaC> Kill all humans!
L891[13:35:26] <S3> allow the next layer protocol to register a "filter" to the interface
L892[13:35:41] <S3> if the data doesn't trigger a positive return value of the filter, it won't send it
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L895[13:36:24] <S3> this is something however that is just as easy to do without filter support
L896[13:36:41] <S3> it would need another feature
L897[13:36:45] <S3> such as buffers
L898[13:36:49] <S3> for storing large ammounts of data
L899[13:36:56] <S3> I'd rather not get into that yet
L900[13:40:33] <S3> maybe I should go over to linuxkernelnewbies
L901[13:40:34] <vifino> S3: I seriously suggest giving copper a try, it works, unlike GERT BS.
L902[13:40:46] <S3> vifino: oh I'm not fiddling with gert
L903[13:40:50] <vifino> One implementation also fits on an EEPROM.
L904[13:41:13] <vifino> I know, just saying you should try it instead of the network floppy or GERT or whatever.
L905[13:41:22] <vifino> Might do the job for you.
L906[13:41:33] <S3> oh no I'm doing this for OCR purposes later on
L907[13:41:51] <S3> which is very tiny and not necessarily related to Minecraft either
L908[13:42:26] <S3> vifino: where is that anyways
L909[13:42:28] <vifino> Copper doesn't require OC anyways. It is tested in plain Lua on Linux.
L910[13:42:35] <vifino> https://github.com/20kdc/OC-Copper
L911[13:44:05] <vifino> IIRC, a simple redstone controlled IoT-style eeprom is 1.9kb.
L912[13:44:20] <vifino> Minified, obviously.
L913[13:44:52] <S3> heh
L914[13:45:07] <S3> I made a redstone serial protocol a while back that's slow and extremely reliable
L915[13:45:18] <S3> it uses input capture / output compare type signals
L916[13:45:29] <S3> the n64 controller did the same thing and neopixels..
L917[13:47:47] <vifino> Speaking of neopixels, I have 5 meters of WS2812B leds.
L918[13:48:21] <vifino> Probably gonna run them around my desk for moar desk experience.
L919[13:48:28] <S3> heh
L920[13:48:42] <S3> I always wanted to use led strips to line my hallways
L921[13:48:48] <Michiyo> oooh.. I should get some more so I can match my keyboard.. atm I've got the 2" sticks
L922[13:48:55] <S3> so when you got up in the middle of the night it's like a movie theatre
L923[13:49:02] <S3> easier to find the bathroom eh
L924[13:49:20] <S3> though I dunno if it'd help
L925[13:49:31] <S3> I never remember getting up in the middle of the night
L926[13:49:38] <S3> apparently I just do
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L929[13:51:01] <vifino> \o/ services are half back \o/
L930[13:51:09] <Stary> r e a d o n l y
L931[13:51:17] <vifino> >half
L932[13:51:37] <Michiyo> %flip r e a d o n l y
L933[13:51:41] <MichiBot> Michiyo: (╯°□°）╯ʎ l u o p ɐ ǝ ɹ
L934[13:52:50] <Vexatos> Well better than being down
L935[13:53:05] <vifino> ^
L936[13:54:06] <viomi> mm
L937[13:54:08] <S3> %flip viomi
L938[13:54:13] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯ıɯoıʌ
L939[13:54:15] <viomi> why this
L940[13:54:20] <S3> lol
L941[13:54:37] <S3> %flip TABLEFLIP
L942[13:54:41] <MichiBot> S3: (╯°□°）╯ԀI˥ℲƎ˥ℇ∀⊥
L943[13:54:45] <Michiyo> %flip ^
L944[13:54:45] <MichiBot> Michiyo: (╯°□°）╯lol
L945[13:54:49] <Michiyo> aww.. right
L946[13:54:50] <AmandaC> woo: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OCUpYVMp/
L947[13:54:55] <Michiyo> output still isn't added to the buffer
L948[13:55:23] <S3> AmandaC: 6502?!!?!?!?!??!!?
L949[13:55:45] <AmandaC> S3: no, personal-use mod I'm making
L950[13:55:51] <S3> aww
L951[13:55:59] <AmandaC> Now to find out how to get the drops of the entity.
L952[14:08:36] <viomi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KWkao73HuU
L953[14:08:36] <MichiBot> 5 years + $40M = Mass Effect Andromeda | length: 20m 35s | Likes: 88,634 Dislikes: 3,403 Views: 1,943,139 | by CrowbCat | Published On 26/3/2017
L954[14:08:42] <viomi> Well, I no longer feel the need to buy andromeda
L955[14:10:26] * AmandaC makes a note that the youtuber is the same as the switch problems one
L956[14:11:34] <viomi> yes
L957[14:11:39] <viomi> Yes it is
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L960[14:14:48] <AmandaC> form the Totally Statistically Relevent sample size of two, I'm going to assume that person is a debby downer, and go on with my life.
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L964[14:16:06] <viomi> From the totally statistically relevant sample size of the tons of footage they found on both of those products, I'm going to assume you don't care about quality and go on to enjoy things I didn't get ripped off on
L965[14:16:20] <Forecaster> http://www.awkwardzombie.com/index.php?comic=032717
L966[14:16:22] <Forecaster> non-lethal
L967[14:17:10] <Inari> Andromeda is great though
L968[14:17:11] <Inari> <3
L969[14:17:20] <Inari> And what price cut
L970[14:17:22] <Inari> I don't see any
L971[14:17:28] <Temia> ... oh
L972[14:17:31] <AmandaC> viomi: no, I care about quality. I don't care about manupulating the things you show people to present a bleak view of the world.
L973[14:17:58] <AmandaC> I need to believe there's good in this world, and that everything isn't a massive pile of dog shit, or I'll probably end up dead.
L974[14:18:25] <Temia> That was an Awkward Zombie comic. It looked like an OOCD&D quote in my RSS reader >_>
L975[14:18:55] <Temia> Because it only shows the caption and not the comic in its feed.
L976[14:19:01] <viomi> Saying that there are some big companies that rip people off doesn't mean there isn't good in the world, wtf :L
L977[14:19:19] <Forecaster> neither does mine, but I only have comics in this folder
L978[14:19:54] <AmandaC> "rips people off" doesn't add up, though
L979[14:20:09] <Forecaster> yeah, people aren't band-aids!
L980[14:20:14] <Forecaster> what are we talking about?
L981[14:20:20] <Temia> I just have all the feeds going at once by default.
L982[14:20:40] <AmandaC> Sure, there are problems, but nothing is perfect. That's not how the world works.
L983[14:20:45] <Temia> Too little stuff updates to flip through it by folder.
L984[14:20:48] <AmandaC> People are human, they make mistakes, and shit happens.
L985[14:20:48] <Forecaster> I'd have hundreds of other posts mixed in with hundreds of comics if I didn't have categories...
L986[14:20:51] <Forecaster> it'd be a mess
L987[14:21:01] <Inari> Anyway
L988[14:21:09] <Inari> I enjoy it, and don't feel ripped off in the slightest
L989[14:21:10] <Inari> So, eh
L990[14:21:31] <gamax92> hey S3 do you still have your forth eeprom stuff?
L991[14:21:32] <AmandaC> "rips people off" is a seriously streaching it.
L992[14:21:53] <Temia> Stuff likes to stop updating once I add it `^` It bites.
L993[14:21:57] <AmandaC> It implies a willful decision and acknologement that it was wrong, and they did it anyway.
L994[14:22:19] <Forecaster> that sounds unrelated
L995[14:22:28] <viomi> How is that stretching it..? They had $40M and five years and this was the end product. You really think they did their best on it?
L996[14:22:28] <viomi> Nintendo Switch's dock is literally the cheapest plastic available in a tiny case that they tried to charge a ton of money for.
L997[14:22:31] <AmandaC> Maybe it is. I'm very tired.
L998[14:22:40] <Forecaster> I just follow a lot of stuff, some of it updates, some doesn't
L999[14:22:58] <Temia> No, I mean the comics themselves die :< I am cursed!
L1000[14:22:59] <Inari> viomi: Wait wait
L1001[14:23:04] <viomi> Inari, hmm?
L1002[14:23:04] <Inari> who do you claim is getting ripped off?
L1003[14:23:12] <Inari> The investors?
L1004[14:23:19] <Temia> I maybe see like one or two posts a day out of my comics folder.
L1005[14:23:28] <viomi> Well I mean, probably them too. But I mean people who buy the product primarily.
L1006[14:23:47] <Inari> The people who buy it didn't give them $40M and 5 years
L1007[14:23:49] <Temia> Three or four from Danbooru. Blogs have been reduced to once in a blue moon .v.
L1008[14:24:05] <viomi> Like, people who paid $60 for a tiny hard plastic case w/ a tiny board inside w/ connectors that I could make for $5 or cheaper
L1009[14:24:10] <Temia> I should eat breakfast and shower rather than lament
L1010[14:24:19] <viomi> Because they're mass producing it probably costs them less than that
L1011[14:24:42] <Inari> Well, once you make that into a company you'll know the cost
L1012[14:24:43] <Inari> :p
L1013[14:26:14] <viomi> Like, the game division nintendo is pretty alright. I'm totally happy paying $60 for botw, it looks like an amazing game. Andromeda... like, they couldn't even get half the animations to stick. It feels like a buggy alpha of an indie unreal engine project.
L1014[14:26:18] <Inari> Anyway, not saying everyone has to like it, or buy it. But then just say you don't like it I guess
L1015[14:26:47] <Inari> I assume you've played it to be able to judge how it feels
L1016[14:27:08] <viomi> Inari: I did. Amanda called someone a debby downer for having a similar opinion to me and not liking the game :b
L1017[14:27:16] <viomi> And yes, I've played it.
L1018[14:27:32] <Inari> Interesting, we must have very different definition of buggy indie alpha games
L1019[14:27:36] <AmandaC> I'm not saying everything is perfect and no problems exist in either of these things. I just feel like calling it "ripping people off" is a reductionist and extremely... something-i-cant-wordize viewpoint.
L1020[14:27:42] <Inari> I encourage you to try steam early access ;)
L1021[14:27:51] <viomi> Inari lol
L1022[14:28:14] <Michiyo> As a developer of a very buggy indie pre alpha game, I'm insulted.
L1023[14:28:19] <viomi> AmandaC, I'm sorry that big companies rip people off sometimes. I'm not sure why you think it's reductionist, but.
L1024[14:28:22] <viomi> Michiyo, LOL
L1025[14:28:29] <viomi> Good point, very buggy indie pre alpha games are fun
L1026[14:28:58] <Inari> Anyway, I quite enjoy it so far. Its a nice mass effect game. Lots of interesting interaction and fun stuff. The odd non-game affecting animation glitch or such here and there that I find more amusing than bad
L1027[14:29:01] <Michiyo> I'd also appreciate it if we didn't dig on Unreal too much. :P
L1028[14:29:10] <viomi> Michiyo, Unreal is my favorite 3D engine
L1029[14:29:14] <viomi> :u
L1030[14:29:32] <Forecaster> what's your favourite 1D engine?
L1031[14:29:55] <Inari> love2d
L1032[14:30:29] <viomi> Inari, he said 1D
L1033[14:30:32] <viomi> http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/6/8159577/line-wobbler-one-dimensional-video-game
L1034[14:30:37] <Inari> Set either height or widht to 1
L1035[14:30:39] <Inari> theres 1D
L1036[14:30:40] <Inari> :P
L1037[14:30:41] <viomi> Good point
L1038[14:30:44] <viomi> love2d for sure then
L1039[14:30:56] <viomi> Inari remembered~
L1040[14:31:00] <Forecaster> 1xSomething is still 2d :P
L1041[14:31:21] <Inari> :P
L1042[14:31:45] <AmandaC> idk. Maybe this is just the aspie part of me not understanding people, but in my mind a rip-off is you buy a car and it's engine dies 5 miles from the lot. A rip off is not a game you buy that has some slightly glitchy animations, and still has execelent writing and otherwise is fun.
L1043[14:31:46] <Inari> Then a custom engine where you just fill an array with colour and it displays that as al ine
L1044[14:32:00] <Forecaster> AmandaC: you seem very hung up on this...
L1045[14:32:07] <AmandaC> vOv
L1046[14:32:25] <AmandaC> I'm going to go lay down I think, I'm tired of spinning my wheels
L1047[14:33:16] <AmandaC> I don't like when there's negativity directed around at people / companies for trivial bullshit that doesn't fucking matter, mostly.
L1048[14:33:38] <Forecaster> I can agree with that
L1049[14:33:42] <viomi> The game is $60 and not at all what was advertised.. It matters :>
L1050[14:34:30] <viomi> And I promise you, bioshock doesn't need protecting from negative feedback. I'm sure they make enough money :v
L1051[14:34:43] <Inari> Seems pretty in line to all the trailers and gameplay vids I've seen
L1052[14:34:53] <Inari> s/shock/ware
L1053[14:34:54] <MichiBot> <viomi> And I promise you, bioware doesn't need protecting from negative feedback. I'm sure they make enough money :v
L1054[14:35:14] <viomi> Oh, right.
L1055[14:35:16] <viomi> Lol
L1056[14:35:19] <viomi> I'm way too sleepy.
L1057[14:35:39] <Inari> Well see, negative feedabck is "This game has glitchy animation,s that shouldn't happen with modern engines." or the likeimo
L1058[14:35:43] <Inari> Not "you rip people off"
L1059[14:35:56] <viomi> Erm
L1060[14:35:58] <viomi> And why's that?
L1061[14:36:18] <Michiyo> 400 effing MB free and my phone can't update apps..
L1062[14:36:19] <Michiyo> ffs
L1063[14:36:22] <Forecaster> http://www.uptofourplayers.com/comic/wild-heart-page-7/
L1064[14:36:29] <Forecaster> "Failed stealth roll" is the greatest
L1065[14:36:42] <viomi> They had 40 million dollars and 5 years. How is the mouth movement looking like it's from a PS2 game not ripping people off?
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L1067[14:37:22] <AmandaC> Because the latter comes across as an angry teenager who got caught shoplifting a candy bar and decided the whole system is to blame, and he did nothing wrong
L1068[14:37:53] <viomi> Except the candy bar was labeled as chocolate but actually had rat poison, right?
L1069[14:37:53] <viomi> :b
L1070[14:38:03] * Forecaster sighs
L1071[14:38:27] <AmandaC> Anyway, I'm out. I need to collect my thoughts and try and clear my head before I work myself up any further
L1072[14:38:43] <Michiyo> animations = rat poison, good to know
L1073[14:38:50] <viomi> I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend big multimillion dollar companies or why you're upset I don't like the game, but I assure you I'm not hurting anyone.
L1074[14:39:03] <viomi> Michiyo, and me not liking a game = angry teenager who shoplifts?
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L1076[14:41:14] <Forecaster> people = dummies
L1077[14:41:17] <Forecaster> there, global assign
L1078[14:41:25] <Forecaster> :P
L1079[14:41:35] <viomi> %inv add people = dummies
L1080[14:41:39] <MichiBot> viomi: Added 'people = dummies' to inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L1081[14:41:49] <Michiyo> rip off != dissatisfied. rip off == delivered product is not at all what was advertised. You don't like it? Fine, it's not your cuppa tea? Ok, rip off? no.
L1082[14:42:00] <Forecaster> https://xkcd.com/1816/
L1083[14:42:01] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Mispronunciation Posted on: 3/27/2017
L1084[14:42:25] <MGR> Izaya, what am I deluded about?
L1085[14:42:27] <viomi> Michiyo: Dock literally scratches the device it's MADE for. Made of cheap plastic and a single cheap board. Costs $80.
L1086[14:42:30] <viomi> Rip off? Yes.
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L1088[14:43:02] <Michiyo> I'd like to point out, I have no dog in this fight, I own neither product.
L1089[14:43:32] <viomi> Then why are you defending it? :s
L1090[14:44:02] <Michiyo> Though, single cheap board, welcome to 99% of ALLLLLL consume electronics.
L1091[14:44:05] <Forecaster> she made no mention of the thing...
L1092[14:44:06] <Michiyo> consumer*
L1093[14:44:51] <viomi> Michiyo: Sure, but my $10 PSP case isn't made of cheap hard plastic that will scratch my screen.
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L1096[14:45:29] <viomi> and destroy the $300 device it came with. Er, sorry, $220 if you're not including the price of the dock.
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L1098[14:46:41] <Michiyo> Damn it people, stop coming into my store and NOT BUYING SHIT
L1099[14:47:04] <viomi> lol
L1100[14:51:10] <viomi> ..
L1101[14:51:23] <viomi> Videogamedunkey, seconds ago, just uploaded a video called mess effect
L1102[14:51:34] <viomi> I feel like this coincidence is a bit odd
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L1104[14:52:42] <Inari> viomi: Well find me the part where they tell you it would be different I guess
L1105[14:53:09] <viomi> Inari, hmm? :o
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L1107[14:55:55] <viomi> Find you the part where Nintendo said the dock wouldn't scratch your screen..?
L1108[14:55:56] <viomi> Okay!
L1109[14:56:27] <viomi> www.polygon.com/2017/3/10/14885702/nintendo-switch-dock-scratch
L1110[14:57:16] <viomi> They also said the controllers would work :b
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L1112[14:59:40] <Temia> Oh hey.
L1113[14:59:42] <Temia> They're back.
L1114[14:59:43] <Temia> Michi?
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L1116[15:00:05] <Temia> :'D
L1117[15:04:36] <vifino> Who is that, Temia?
L1118[15:05:03] <Temia> Some skiddie-looking loser who appeared and then flooded themselves off the network (thankfully not at us) a week or so back.
L1119[15:05:18] <vifino> Ah.
L1120[15:05:19] <Temia> Banned out of caution.
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L1122[15:05:26] <vifino> They joined another channel too. One of mine.
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L1124[15:11:52] <vifino> They joined so many channels I'm in...
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L1126[15:15:39] <viomi> maybe they like you ;)
L1127[15:16:03] <vifino> Wel, that'd be new.
L1128[15:16:10] <Mettaton_Fab> i wanna talk to them
L1129[15:16:31] <Inari> viomi: I meant ME:A :P
L1130[15:16:39] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgCuKTN8sX0
L1131[15:16:39] <MichiBot> Quantum Computing | length: 21m 37s | Likes: 1,924 Dislikes: 28 Views: 33,946 | by Isaac Arthur | Published On 16/3/2017
L1132[15:16:42] <Mettaton_Fab> maybe i can get them to be not like a... a fucknugget, right!
L1133[15:16:43] <vifino> Also, viomi! PSP rules! *virtual high-five*
L1134[15:18:10] <viomi> Inari: Find the part they'd tell me their game word work? :v
L1135[15:18:18] <viomi> vifino: I don't even have a PSP, lol. Sorry.
L1136[15:18:29] <Skye> vifino, they joined a lot of my channels too...
L1137[15:18:34] <Inari> viomi: It does work though
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L1139[15:18:45] <viomi> Inari: Mm. Kay.
L1140[15:19:00] <vifino> viomi: :(
L1141[15:19:20] <Inari> It runs well for the majority of people from what I've seen, has some visual bugs such as animations but those aren't game breaking so far
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L1146[15:26:17] <Inari> Now one thing thats there to complain about is the UI :P
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L1152[15:39:41] <viomi> Inari: Yk7owGAcWjwMVRwrTesJEwB7WVOiILLI
L1153[15:39:45] <viomi> damn, wrong fkn paste again
L1154[15:39:55] <viomi> www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDjci1ODoBs
L1155[15:39:55] <MichiBot> Mess Effect | length: 5m 43s | Likes: 26,098 Dislikes: 610 Views: 213,560 | by videogamedunkey | Published On 27/3/2017
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L1158[15:44:35] <Inari> Thanks for pasting four passwor anyway
L1159[15:45:54] <Inari> *your password
L1160[15:46:52] <Forecaster> four, four password, ah ah ah
L1161[15:47:08] <vifino> I believe it is actually a password manager overwriting the clipboard.
L1162[15:47:23] <vifino> But who knows.
L1163[15:47:35] <viomi> :b
L1164[15:47:49] <viomi> Nah it's the password to one of the steps of a ssh challenge thing.
L1165[15:48:01] <vifino> Then you're a derp.
L1166[15:48:11] <Skye> I wonder if this could be used to run C on Lua on OC... https://github.com/shinh/elvm
L1167[15:48:17] <viomi> yep! i am lol
L1168[15:48:39] <MajGenRelativity> vifino, GERTi v0.9 works
L1169[15:48:42] <vifino> Skye: I am already running C on Lua.
L1170[15:48:47] <viomi> Skye... That's dedicated to esoteric, not C
L1171[15:49:18] <viomi> It has C as a backend, but I don't think that's what you're looking for
L1172[15:49:34] <Skye> > Currently, the only frontend we have is a modified version of 8cc. The modified 8cc translates C code to an internal representation format called ELVM IR (EIR).
L1173[15:49:44] <Skye> the only frontend is a C compiler
L1174[15:49:56] <Skye> and one of the many backends is Lua
L1175[15:50:53] <vifino> C -> ZPU-GCC -> ZPU -> my Lua ZPU emulator
L1176[15:50:59] <vifino> it actually works.
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L1178[15:51:30] <gamax92> vifino: so that's what you were doing ...
L1179[15:51:44] <vifino> Yes.
L1180[15:52:43] <MajGenRelativity> heh, no response :P
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L1183[16:02:01] <vifino> Yes, MajGenRelativity, no response. I have made myself very, very clear what I think about the code quality.
L1184[16:03:26] <MajGenRelativity> vifino, v0.9.3 in the development branch has much higher code quality
L1185[16:03:32] <MajGenRelativity> I've heard this from people other than me
L1186[16:03:43] <MajGenRelativity> It, unfortunately, is hobbled by a bug in OC
L1187[16:04:14] <Forecaster> %juggle
L1188[16:04:19] * MichiBot juggles with UNSIGNED_BOOL_MAX, the binary tree of love & a ping timeout
L1189[16:04:20] * MichiBot drops UNSIGNED_BOOL_MAX which takes 3 damage
L1190[16:04:21] * MichiBot drops the binary tree of love which takes 3 damage, the binary tree of love melts into a puddle of unidentifiable goo.
L1191[16:04:22] <MichiBot> I didn't do it!
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L1193[16:05:17] <vifino> I can also spot a few mistakes in it within seconds of reading the source. I am quite sure you didn't test all code paths. I seriously recommend reading the manual and a book on Lua.
L1194[16:05:50] <viomi> vifino: Dev branch?
L1195[16:06:04] <viomi> And GERTi, of course
L1196[16:06:52] <MajGenRelativity> vifino, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ also, which mistakes?
L1197[16:07:48] <gamax92> the fact that it exists
L1198[16:08:15] <vifino> No, not that.
L1199[16:08:19] <viomi> gamax92, you have something against the idea of networking between servers running OC? :s
L1200[16:08:32] <gamax92> no I just messing with MGR
L1201[16:08:41] <viomi> Ah.
L1202[16:09:18] <payonel> you could `return 1` https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/GERT/blob/Development/GERTi/GERTi%20Client.lua#L9 for example
L1203[16:09:18] <CompanionCube> haven't other people thought of...non-GERT ways to do that
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L1205[16:09:28] <payonel> also, modem and tunnel aren't local, so become global
L1206[16:09:35] <MajGenRelativity> CompanionCube, I don't think so
L1207[16:09:44] <MajGenRelativity> viomi, gamax is part of my dedicated crew of haters
L1208[16:09:55] <payonel> also, you dont need to set tunnel to false, nil is falsey enough
L1209[16:10:03] <MajGenRelativity> payonel, what?
L1210[16:10:10] <vifino> payonel: damn it, that's not how he gets better. he needs to actually learn what his code does and find the issues himeslf, otherwise he won't learn properly.
L1211[16:10:20] <payonel> haha, ok fine
L1212[16:10:22] * payonel runs
L1213[16:10:50] <MGR> vifino, I won't ever find non-breaking issues by myself
L1214[16:11:02] <vifino> ... but payonel just listed one.
L1215[16:11:09] <vifino> which, well, you didn't find.
L1216[16:11:35] <MGR> The not-local = global thing?
L1217[16:11:40] <vifino> No.
L1218[16:12:14] <viomi> vifino, payonel: Make pull requests or stop whining about someone else's project :u
L1219[16:12:25] <payonel> but but
L1220[16:12:26] <payonel> ok
L1221[16:12:38] <Ashindigo_> %pet vifino and payonel
L1222[16:12:39] <MGR> payonel made an actual suggestion
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L1225[16:12:45] <MGR> vifino just savages
L1226[16:12:48] <vifino> Getting stuff fixed for him is not gonna teach him Lua.
L1227[16:13:16] <viomi> Showing him how to fix them and putting the reasons in the description of your pull request will. Saying "lol ur bad and so is your code" isn't going to teach him lua either.
L1228[16:13:58] <Ashindigo_> What's stopping from just clicking the merge button and calling it a day?
L1229[16:14:10] <vifino> Exactly.
L1230[16:14:14] * payonel merges Ashindigo_
L1231[16:14:15] <viomi> Ashindigo_: He wants to get better...?
L1232[16:14:18] <Ashindigo_> s/stopping/stopping him
L1233[16:14:18] <MichiBot> <Ashindigo_> What's stopping him from just clicking the merge button and calling it a day?
L1234[16:14:30] <payonel> s#m#m/#
L1235[16:15:00] <vifino> viomi: So he should read the Lua manual. If he does so and understands his code, he should find the issues /easily/.
L1236[16:15:00] <Ashindigo_> But its also just free code
L1237[16:15:07] <viomi> What's with this anti-teaching, pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality going on in here :L
L1238[16:15:28] <payonel> LUA
L1239[16:15:28] <EnderBot2> Lua*
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L1241[16:15:51] <Forecaster> Lear Urself Abbot
L1242[16:15:52] <Ashindigo_> Its just like learning how to program, you dont learn by copy and pasting code
L1243[16:16:01] <vifino> ^
L1244[16:16:02] <Forecaster> Learn* dammit
L1245[16:16:03] <Ashindigo_> You learn it by doing it yourself
L1246[16:16:10] <payonel> viomi: generally we're more helpful --- i just think mgr has had a way of promoting the gerti project that annoys some people, and they react negatively to the project moreso because of that
L1247[16:16:10] <viomi> You can learn by having a teacher explain why your code doesn't work and showing you ways to fix it.
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L1249[16:16:23] <vifino> Eyup.
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L1252[16:16:29] <vifino> zsh!
L1253[16:16:34] <Ashindigo_> %pet zsh
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L1255[16:16:39] <vifino> Non-readonly zsh! We missed you.
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L1257[16:17:06] <Ashindigo_> But you could just do the changes a teacher said and not care about what it actually did
L1258[16:17:20] <MajGenRelativity> I actually care about the changes and why they make a difference
L1259[16:17:23] <viomi> Ashindigo_: Then you won't learn and you won't pass tests.
L1260[16:17:32] <MajGenRelativity> I'm not going to look at the PR, go "LOL CODE", and click merge
L1261[16:17:41] <payonel> haha "LOL CODE"
L1262[16:17:45] <payonel> i should say that more often
L1263[16:17:52] <Ashindigo_> You could scrape by easily
L1264[16:17:55] <gamax92> jeez you're overreacting Ashindigo_
L1265[16:18:06] <Temia> Back when I was in college, my teacher actually got sick of me using stuff that I hadn't been formally taught yet and started imposing restrictions on techniques for projects.
L1266[16:18:06] <viomi> Ashdingo_: You know colleges teach programming right
L1267[16:18:14] <gamax92> I hate MGR but I have more faith in him then that
L1268[16:18:23] <viomi> Temia: Shitty teacher
L1269[16:18:24] <MajGenRelativity> thank you gamax92
L1270[16:18:26] <Temia> Yeah.
L1271[16:18:29] <Temia> But it was a fun challenge.
L1272[16:18:36] <Ashindigo_> %stab temias crap teacher
L1273[16:18:36] * MichiBot strikes temias crap teacher with Temia's tombstone doing [12] damage, Temia's tombstone flickers and pops out of existence.
L1274[16:18:47] <viomi> Lol?
L1275[16:18:48] <Temia> how appropriate.
L1276[16:18:51] * CompanionCube does not hate MGR but doesn't particularly like them either
L1277[16:18:52] <viomi> Yeah really
L1278[16:18:53] <Temia> But I didn't actually need the course, I just did it for easy credits. >.>
L1279[16:18:54] <Ashindigo_> Wat
L1280[16:18:56] <payonel> sometimes i like being spoon fed
L1281[16:19:10] <gamax92> <_<
L1282[16:19:12] * vifino feeds payonel spoons
L1283[16:19:12] <payonel> like when i'm watching youtube vids about neutron stars
L1284[16:19:23] <payonel> just feed me the info and don't make me work for knowledge!
L1285[16:19:27] <viomi> Lol
L1286[16:19:31] <gamax92> Temia: what course was it?
L1287[16:19:43] * Ashindigo_ poofs into his bed
L1288[16:19:46] <viomi> Ashindigo_: I'm a bit biased about this obviously, because I teach programming for a living.
L1289[16:20:01] * payonel waves at viomi
L1290[16:20:06] <gamax92> Both of my teachers for the few classes I took were uhh ... not the greatest
L1291[16:20:09] <Temia> Introduction to Programming, using Python.
L1292[16:20:09] <payonel> well, i don't anymore ...
L1293[16:20:17] <payonel> but i used to hang in the teacher's lounge :P
L1294[16:20:18] <Ashindigo_> I'm self taught
L1295[16:20:22] <viomi> payonel: Lol :>
L1296[16:20:26] <viomi> Ashindigo_: So am I!
L1297[16:20:38] <Temia> "What, I can't limit code reuse with boolean operations for my conditions? Well, you've already covered raising and catching exceptions so... Loophole! Mwahahaha"
L1298[16:20:46] <gamax92> The first one only cared that the program compiled and gave exact output
L1299[16:21:03] <Temia> *limit redundant code
L1300[16:21:04] <gamax92> and the second one gave me assignments that were just code but with various things translated to verbose english
L1301[16:21:21] <payonel> to be honest, though, i've never interviewed a candidate that was solely self taught (i.e. no formal degree) that met the bar
L1302[16:21:46] <payonel> anecdotal? sure .. but, my 2 cents
L1303[16:21:57] <viomi> payonel: Fair enough.
L1304[16:22:05] * Ashindigo_ shrugs
L1305[16:22:13] <payonel> have i learned things on my own? of course, i also have a degree, i believe it takes both
L1306[16:22:18] <gamax92> going through classes is definitely a good idea, but you can get quite far being self taught
L1307[16:22:25] <gamax92> yeah
L1308[16:22:34] <viomi> payonel: Well, I have a degree, but not because I learned anything getting it
L1309[16:22:43] <viomi> It was more jumping through hoops with knowledge I already had from self-teaching
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L1311[16:22:54] <payonel> haha, well - maybe you learned something by getting assignments done on time
L1312[16:23:01] <viomi> Knowledge I obtained easier and faster on my own.. Because it shouldn't take a week to learn if statements
L1313[16:23:05] <TheMadMen> Hey payonel !
L1314[16:23:17] <payonel> TheMadMen: hello! careful, we're arguing in here
L1315[16:23:25] <payonel> mostly just to hear ourselves whine
L1316[16:23:28] <vifino> Yes.
L1317[16:23:29] <gamax92> I submitted my assignents like an hour after they were assigned >.>
L1318[16:23:32] <viomi> payonel: How DARE you insinuate that we're arguing! blah blah blha
L1319[16:23:40] * Ashindigo_ hides TheMadMen in his bunker
L1320[16:24:04] <TheMadMen> I don't mind smelling a little roasted, I know about flame war.
L1321[16:24:19] <viomi> gamax92: My tutor had the entire year of assignments available on the first day, so I finished them within the first week and skipped the rest of the class.
L1322[16:24:25] <gamax92> hah
L1323[16:24:28] <Ashindigo_> Wow
L1324[16:24:47] <viomi> I mean, it was like, c++ part 2
L1325[16:24:50] <Temia> Though I ended up dropping college in the middle of my following course due to general stress, I also did debunk some beliefs about the graphics libraries that were being used during the course.
L1326[16:25:31] <viomi> Temia: I've had to go help the game design teachers because they were teaching scripting incorrectly...
L1327[16:26:01] <Temia> Such as that their performance was subpar, by throwing together a 60fps metronome on my circa '06 toaster of a Linux ultraportable >_>
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L1330[16:26:52] <gamax92> hey Vexatos?
L1331[16:27:07] <Vexatos> hey gamax92?
L1332[16:27:16] <viomi> lol
L1333[16:27:20] <Temia> That one was a fun little challenge because the library had rotational velocity as a parameter, but NOT absolute rotation.
L1334[16:27:23] <vifino> hey vifino?
L1335[16:27:24] <vifino> :(
L1336[16:27:26] <gamax92> Vexatos: can I write a wrapper for Computronics's sound card for Thistle?
L1337[16:27:33] <viomi> hey viomi!
L1338[16:27:36] <gamax92> hey vifino can you send me that zpu emulator?
L1339[16:27:43] <viomi> vifino: we're the same person right
L1340[16:27:46] <vifino> gamax92: https://github.com/vifino/lua-cpuemus
L1341[16:27:48] <gamax92> thanks
L1342[16:27:51] <vifino> viomi: ah, i forgot.
L1343[16:28:00] <gamax92> lets see I need a gift in return
L1344[16:28:02] <viomi> :b
L1345[16:28:09] <vifino> You're obviously the better side of myself.
L1346[16:28:21] <Ashindigo_> %inv add viomi and vifino body swap
L1347[16:28:25] <MichiBot> Ashindigo_: Added 'viomi and vifino body swap' to inventory. This seems rather fragile...
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L1349[16:28:29] <viomi> Nah, just the more flamboyant side.
L1350[16:28:36] <viomi> Ashindigo_: lewd
L1351[16:28:54] <viomi> Wait! I can confirm we're the same person
L1352[16:28:58] <gamax92> oh hey vifino? :3
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L1354[16:29:04] <viomi> tty.sh & viomi.info
L1355[16:29:05] <Ashindigo_> Inari would be proud ;)
L1356[16:29:08] <gamax92> Want to write a 6502 emulator in lua?
L1357[16:29:08] <vifino> gamax92: yes?
L1358[16:29:11] <Temia> Had I not been a frayed bundle of nerves, my plan for the course final was to take the assignment of a Space Invaders-style arcade game and go for something more like R-type. >_>
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L1360[16:29:14] <vifino> Uhm, I dunno.
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L1362[16:29:15] <vifino> Maybe?
L1363[16:29:26] <viomi> http://tty.sh/ vs. http://viomi.info/
L1364[16:29:32] <viomi> ^evidence that vifino and viomi are the same person
L1365[16:29:43] <vifino> viomi: I don't think flamboyant hits the mark.
L1366[16:30:18] <viomi> vifino: feminine?
L1367[16:30:27] <vifino> MajGenRelativity: Theoretically, if I gave you some of the line numbers where mistakes and such are, would you take a look at them and fixing them on your own? No garantees I'll do it.
L1368[16:30:30] <gamax92> vifino: I'll probably write one myself though
L1369[16:31:05] <vifino> viomi: Wait, read your sentence wrong. Sorry. =_=
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L1371[16:31:18] <viomi> Lol.
L1372[16:31:21] <vifino> gamax92: but, programming it together would be fun.
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L1374[16:31:29] * Temia should probably redo Prerisoft... maybe once she's back into the swing of things with gamedev.
L1375[16:31:39] <Vexatos> gamax92, the heck is Thistle
L1376[16:31:48] <gamax92> Vexatos: a 65C02 for OC
L1377[16:31:50] <vifino> In any case, feel free to use my libraries and maybe even PR it in my repo, would love that.
L1378[16:32:03] <Vexatos> And here I thought you were talking about flowers
L1379[16:32:19] <gamax92> Vexatos: I was?
L1380[16:32:22] <viomi> lol
L1381[16:32:25] <vifino> Couple of (IMO) helpful libraries, like a memory abstraction and bitops saneifier.
L1382[16:32:30] <Vexatos> A 65C02 does not look like a flower
L1383[16:32:38] <gamax92> it does if you get drunk enough
L1384[16:32:44] <vifino> Vexatos: If you squint your eyes real good...
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L1386[16:32:52] <Vexatos> vifino, like, so that they are closed?
L1387[16:33:02] <vifino> Vexatos: yes.
L1388[16:33:05] <Vexatos> True
L1389[16:33:07] <gamax92> vifino: is it available on oppm though?
L1390[16:33:16] <Vexatos> We have a bunch of thistles in our garden
L1391[16:33:17] <Vexatos> quite pretty
L1392[16:33:18] <vifino> gamax92: Not yet. Can do, though.
L1393[16:33:31] <Vexatos> gamax92, why wouldn't you be allowed to :P
L1394[16:33:32] <gamax92> okay, cause then I can reuse the memory and bitops work
L1395[16:33:45] <vifino> sounds good to me.
L1396[16:33:45] <Vexatos> You made most of it anyway >_
L1397[16:33:46] <Vexatos> _>
L1398[16:34:25] <gamax92> Vexatos: yeah but ideally wrappers go into the mods themself and not from another mod ... although I suppose Computronics does a bit of that itself :P
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L1400[16:37:54] <Vexatos> gamax92, well you need a mod for the 65C02 anyway
L1401[16:37:57] <Vexatos> so put it in there >_>
L1402[16:38:41] <viomi> vifino: I'll answer yes for MGR because I'm sure he would :b
L1403[16:39:25] <payonel> i added some info to the wiki \o/
L1404[16:39:43] <vifino> The last couple of times it more or less came to me helping him resulted in more or less 'fix it for me' stuff.
L1405[16:39:57] <payonel> http://ocdoc.cil.li/component:gpu scroll to end, colors!
L1406[16:40:05] <viomi> vifino: See https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/GERT/pull/9 - Pretty good example of him not just merging whatever is thrown at him and trying to understand why it works, I think.
L1407[16:40:30] <viomi> Also, forgetting to return after seeing that there isn't a network card was actually from my push, not from MGR... :b
L1408[16:40:44] <payonel> :p
L1409[16:40:47] * viomi makes bad code when she's tired. Naughty naughty.
L1410[16:41:45] <vifino> You fixed more than you broke without a doubt, viomi.
L1411[16:41:47] <viomi> Er, maybe that part was already there. In any case, I totally missed it when I was working on code like a line away, so.
L1412[16:42:05] <viomi> Oh oh! Hey vifino
L1413[16:42:08] <viomi> Tabs or spaces?
L1414[16:42:22] <gamax92> huh, payonel that char is wrong
L1415[16:42:24] <vifino> Pick your poision.
L1416[16:42:25] <gamax92> chart
L1417[16:42:31] <payonel> it is? :(
L1418[16:42:33] <vifino> I like tabs, cause then you can choose how you like it.
L1419[16:42:33] <gamax92> yes
L1420[16:42:52] <vifino> poison*
L1421[16:42:54] <viomi> vifino, same. People who like 4 spaces can make their tabs be that big, and people that like 2 spaces can make their tabs that small.
L1422[16:43:00] <payonel> i just snatched the image eunomiac made -- do you know what part of it is wrong?
L1423[16:43:02] <viomi> Tabs ftw.
L1424[16:43:05] <gamax92> tabs are good
L1425[16:43:26] <gamax92> payonel: https://hastebin.com/ewoyupuyak.txt spot the difference
L1426[16:45:04] <payonel> blue's c0 ..
L1427[16:45:17] <payonel> BF not C0 ?
L1428[16:45:20] <gamax92> yeah
L1429[16:45:41] <payonel> ok, i'll edit the image later and reupload
L1430[16:45:42] <payonel> thanks
L1431[16:45:52] <gamax92> also I'm gonna go verify the grays real quick
L1432[16:45:54] <payonel> anything else?
L1433[16:45:56] <payonel> ok cool
L1434[16:46:56] <MajGenRelativity> vifino, if you gave me line numbers, I would definitely take a look at them and try to see what's wrong
L1435[16:47:05] <MajGenRelativity> Make sure you look at the development branch though
L1436[16:47:54] <gamax92> payonel: yeah grey is fine
L1437[16:48:02] <vifino> The Development branch is quite a bit better than the standard one.
L1438[16:48:58] <TheMadMen> Code wars are the best wars !
L1439[16:50:08] <gamax92> %lua for i=1,16 do print(string.format("%06X", i*0x0F0F0F)) end
L1440[16:50:09] <vifino> Only after distro wars.
L1441[16:50:10] <MichiBot> 0F0F0F | 1E1E1E | 2D2D2D | 3C3C3C | 4B4B4B | 5A5A5A | 696969 | 787878 | 878787 | 969696 | A5A5A5 | B4B4B4 | C3C3C3 | D2D2D2 | E1E1E1 | F0F0F0
L1442[16:50:18] <gamax92> payonel: magic~
L1443[16:50:24] <vifino> Gentoo GNU/Linux > whatever you use.
L1444[16:50:50] <gamax92> I use nano as an editor
L1445[16:50:57] <Temia> obligatory INSTALL GENTOO
L1446[16:51:12] <payonel> s/INSTALL/COMPILE/
L1447[16:51:12] <MichiBot> <Temia> obligatory COMPILE GENTOO
L1448[16:51:26] <Temia> That's not how the meme goes, accuracy be damned
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L1450[16:52:05] <gamax92> What does gentoo use for a boot system?
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L1452[16:53:11] <gamax92> hmm, openrc
L1453[16:53:26] <ItDepends> Is there any way to make the hover boots autoclimb automatically, without having to press the sneaking key everytime?
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L1455[16:53:37] <payonel> i really like openrc
L1456[16:53:51] <payonel> i've not yet given up fighting the systemd movement
L1457[16:53:56] <gamax92> I really like my computer to just boot and allow me to do things, not picky about that kind of stuff
L1458[16:53:59] <MajGenRelativity> vifino, yeah, I got some suggestions from people and implemented them in the development branch. I also did some of my own code cleanup that I just forgot to do in v0.9
L1459[16:54:21] <TheMadMen> thank you gamax92, for confirming that format is available on lua.
L1460[16:54:22] <vifino> gamax92: Yeah, openrc.
L1461[16:54:51] <gamax92> TheMadMen: ?_?
L1462[16:55:49] <payonel> gamax92: but i'm often invoking openrc runlevels, adding to them, making custom ones, or checking the status of services
L1463[16:56:28] <payonel> and that's all different between the two (openrc vs systemd)
L1464[16:56:37] <gamax92> I'm not, I turn on my computer, open up chrome and quassel, and browse reddit
L1465[16:56:43] <payonel> hahah
L1466[16:56:46] <TheMadMen> lol
L1467[16:57:26] <TheMadMen> I've been a coder for 33 years this year.
L1468[16:58:04] <payonel> holy crap old man. i'm not much older than your first hello world
L1469[16:58:07] <Temia> Oh, good, now I can stop feeling like I'm the old one around here.
L1470[16:58:20] <TheMadMen> NP ;)
L1471[16:58:31] <TheMadMen> I enjoy the wisdom ;)
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L1473[16:58:51] <Temia> Yeah, I bet. What was the system you first programmed fir, if you don't mind me inquiring?
L1474[16:58:54] <Temia> *for
L1475[16:59:06] <TheMadMen> Just happy that Minecraft is picking up steam once again.
L1476[16:59:09] *** minecreatr is now known as Mine|away
L1477[16:59:12] <payonel> s/for/fir/
L1478[16:59:12] <MichiBot> <Temia> *fir
L1479[16:59:31] <Temia> %give Payonel Mayonel
L1480[16:59:35] <MichiBot> Temia: No item found to give away.
L1481[16:59:43] <TheMadMen> I've program Basic on a Amiga Commodore 64.
L1482[16:59:45] <payonel> %inv add mayo
L1483[16:59:46] <Temia> Oh right, I guess that got destroyed at some point.
L1484[16:59:49] <MichiBot> payonel: Added 'mayo' to inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1485[17:00:06] <payonel> TheMadMen: i did too, but i was younger than you were obviously
L1486[17:00:26] <TheMadMen> First game was an asteroid style game, I added attractor on the objects.
L1487[17:00:38] <TheMadMen> lol
L1488[17:00:40] <viomi> MajGenRelativity: If I made a PR of just changing spacing to tabs, would you merge it? :b
L1489[17:00:41] <gamax92> I did a space invaders style game as one of my firsts
L1490[17:00:58] <Temia> I'm sorry, an "Amiga Commodore 64"? I know it was a few decades ago, but you're mixing up your computer lines a bit. >.>
L1491[17:01:08] <TheMadMen> My first Database was for all my games, in all my floppy disk, and it came with a gameloader.
L1492[17:01:32] <TheMadMen> Yeah Maybe, it was 33 years ago.
L1493[17:01:40] <MajGenRelativity> viomi, my spacing isn't tabs?
L1494[17:02:11] <viomi> Nope, all spaces as far as I can tell.
L1495[17:02:27] <Temia> That said, Commodore BASIC was actually my first exposure to programming too, so I guess we have something in common there, though that was partly because I was given one out of my grandfather's collection so I wouldn't screw up the family's IBM-compatible again :x
L1496[17:02:29] <viomi> And for some reason a lot of them are like, two-spacing in, and then the next block is only one-space in
L1497[17:02:43] <Temia> Back in like '96.
L1498[17:02:58] <TheMadMen> My first PC, I low format the drive ;)
L1499[17:03:11] <Temia> And the machine in question was a C64 too, though I eventually got to mess with a 128. >.>
L1500[17:03:25] <Temia> But anyway yeah.
L1501[17:04:09] <vifino> TheMadMen: You don't happen to have experience with the Intel 8080?
L1502[17:04:19] <Michiyo> Heeeeey someone older than me?! woot
L1503[17:04:19] <Temia> BASIC ROM and program diskettes were much more resistant to wanton modification than a Windows 3.1 installation.
L1504[17:04:26] <TheMadMen> Yep, It was my first PC.
L1505[17:04:31] <vifino> :D
L1506[17:04:37] * Michiyo throws a party
L1507[17:04:39] <TheMadMen> Intel 8080 chipset, slow as hell.
L1508[17:04:47] <TheMadMen> My C64 was way better ;)
L1509[17:05:03] <MajGenRelativity> viomi, I guess if you change it and make a PR, I'll look at it.
L1510[17:05:11] <vifino> I've recently started writing an Intel 8080 emulator, works, but auxilary carry isn't really implemented.
L1511[17:05:19] <TheMadMen> My first PC I built was a 80286sx chipset ;)
L1512[17:05:31] <vifino> It runs Space Invaders and CP/M though.
L1513[17:05:46] <vifino> With R/W floppies, too.
L1514[17:06:00] <TheMadMen> The problem with writing an emulator, is emulating the limitation and flaws of the chipset.
L1515[17:06:26] <TheMadMen> People used the limitations and flaws as features of the chip, that make emulating a nightmare.
L1516[17:06:34] <vifino> Yeah.
L1517[17:06:45] <vifino> Luckily, a lot of things don't.
L1518[17:07:06] <vifino> Doesn't help that the reference manual seems to be wrong.
L1519[17:07:08] <TheMadMen> Best to use a very low level language to build emulators.
L1520[17:07:19] <vifino> Where's the fun in that?
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L1522[17:07:33] <TheMadMen> You need to have a working PC, so you can't test the flaws.
L1523[17:07:34] <vifino> The real challenge is getting to work on a high level language.
L1524[17:07:48] <vifino> getting it*
L1525[17:07:54] * Temia thinks back to the old SID chip as a wonderful example of that very issue.
L1526[17:08:06] <TheMadMen> LOL
L1527[17:08:11] <vifino> As in, something like Lua, where you have no way to decently emulate byte arrays.
L1528[17:08:12] <TheMadMen> THE SID !!!
L1529[17:08:18] <vifino> Or rather, efficiently do so.
L1530[17:08:29] <TheMadMen> The Sprite programming ;) !
L1531[17:08:36] <payonel> well, inefficient is indecent
L1532[17:08:53] <Achai> vifino: what u mean
L1533[17:08:53] <payonel> s/t i/cy i/
L1534[17:08:53] <MichiBot> <payonel> well, inefficiency is indecent
L1535[17:08:54] <TheMadMen> If I remember correctly, it was the sound chip on the C64.
L1536[17:09:04] <gamax92> yep, still popular to this day
L1537[17:09:05] <vifino> Achai: takes loadsamemory.
L1538[17:09:12] <Achai> if you're doing 5.3 then you can do bitops to get something a bit faster
L1539[17:09:19] <vifino> I /am/ using bitops.
L1540[17:09:35] <vifino> But if you store your memory in a table, you're gonna have a bad time.
L1541[17:09:42] <Achai> plus if you (somehow) manage to preallocate a table then you can dodge some hashtable overhead :>
L1542[17:09:47] <TheMadMen> For the time, it was a game changer ( literally ) for a PC that only beeped before.
L1543[17:09:53] <vifino> as in, [0x00] = 0 and stuff.
L1544[17:10:03] <TheMadMen> lol
L1545[17:10:06] <Achai> [0x00] = 0 is in the hash table
L1546[17:10:07] <Achai> sorry boo
L1547[17:10:12] <vifino> shh
L1548[17:10:16] <Temia> Yeah, MadMen, it was.
L1549[17:10:37] <payonel> needs more zeros
L1550[17:10:45] <TheMadMen> After having a C64, you couldn't game on a PC.
L1551[17:10:47] <Achai> [0x000000000000000000] = 0000000000000000000000000
L1552[17:10:57] <vifino> I "solved" it by storing the ROM as a string and making an R/W overlay.
L1553[17:11:02] <vifino> At least helped a bit.
L1554[17:11:07] <Temia> And through a flaw in the original design, programmers were able to implement a rudimentary PWM channel, IIRC
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L1556[17:11:21] <Achai> I'll have to see if tables can expand their array portion
L1557[17:11:28] <Achai> I don't think they can, but w/e
L1558[17:11:29] <payonel> vifino: sounds like access if your bottleneck then, not your bitwise ops on the values
L1559[17:11:37] <vifino> Achai: make stuff beterer https://github.com/vifino/lua-cpuemus/blob/master/memlib.lua
L1560[17:11:43] <TheMadMen> WOW... Achai, don't switch on the 16 bits, we are still talking about 8 bits, slow down.
L1561[17:11:55] <Achai> vifino: If I can use bytecode then I'll make it better
L1562[17:12:07] <Achai> I'll just write to a raw memory array stored in a long string ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L1563[17:12:13] <gamax92> Achai: no go!
L1564[17:12:18] <gamax92> here be dragons!
L1565[17:12:18] <TYKUHN2> Don't we all love Arch's enp0s25?
L1566[17:12:29] <vifino> payonel: actually, memory r/w is like 1% of the emulation cpu usage
L1567[17:12:29] <gamax92> @TYKUHN2 absolutely not
L1568[17:12:32] <TheMadMen> [0x00] - [0xFF] max... for now ;)
L1569[17:12:37] <gamax92> I disable that shit on every linux I have
L1570[17:13:01] <vifino> bitops take most time, from the emulator itself.
L1571[17:13:20] <Achai> vifino: are you making the emulator 5.2 compatible?
L1572[17:13:26] <Achai> if so, ditch it and aim for 5.3 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L1573[17:13:40] <vifino> Achai: it runs on everything from 5.1 to 5.3 to luajit and it should stay that way
L1574[17:13:43] <payonel> vifino: that is unexpected. have code to share?
L1575[17:13:56] <vifino> payonel: https://github.com/vifino/lua-cpuemus
L1576[17:13:56] <Achai> sad!
L1577[17:14:04] <TheMadMen> ne1 stream some youtubers ?
L1578[17:14:17] <vifino> use some lua profiler, plenty to choose
L1579[17:14:21] <vifino> or luajit's.
L1580[17:14:29] <gamax92> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s8Ub20ltsY
L1581[17:14:30] <MichiBot> she - Break The Silence | length: 3m 5s | Likes: 1,587 Dislikes: 8 Views: 94,329 | by sheofficial | Published On 28/3/2013
L1582[17:14:36] <payonel> vifino: where is the said string as memory array and bitwise ops?
L1583[17:14:39] <vifino> with luajit, memory is barely on the scale for me.
L1584[17:15:04] <viomi> luajit.. ew
L1585[17:15:13] <gamax92> why ew?
L1586[17:15:22] <viomi> Oh wait
L1587[17:15:25] <viomi> nvm luajit is cool
L1588[17:15:30] <viomi> For some reason I was thinking of not-luajit
L1589[17:15:36] <TheMadMen> I haven't been on IRC for ages.
L1590[17:15:52] <viomi> My mind turned luajit into https://github.com/harningt/luajson
L1591[17:15:57] <vifino> payonel: bitops should be the native ones, selected by https://github.com/vifino/lua-cpuemus/blob/master/bitops.lua , memory is here https://github.com/vifino/lua-cpuemus/blob/master/memlib.lua , both the rostring and rwoverlay backends.
L1592[17:16:13] <viomi> No wait luajson is good too. wtf
L1593[17:16:36] <vifino> iirc, to test the ZPU emulator ./tests/zpu/bench.sh
L1594[17:16:45] <vifino> probably need to mod that to show you statistics.
L1595[17:16:53] <viomi> I think maybe I was thinking of LuaJ..?
L1596[17:17:03] <vifino> Yes, LuaJ is ew.
L1597[17:17:05] <gamax92> LuaJ is pretty bad
L1598[17:17:05] <viomi> Yeah. luaj is gross.
L1599[17:17:13] <viomi> That's what I was thinking of :L
L1600[17:17:34] <TheMadMen> Going to work on DeepResonance script.
L1601[17:17:51] <TheMadMen> I will pop out in here, once in a while.
L1602[17:18:20] <viomi> vifino: I wish nanomachines were more programmable..
L1603[17:18:29] <Achai> viomi: I know what you can probably do...
L1604[17:18:36] <viomi> Achai: Mm?
L1605[17:18:51] <Achai> Create a function that will give you a preallocated table of zeros of a set size
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L1607[17:19:03] <vifino> lol, you pinged viomi instead of me.
L1608[17:19:07] <viomi> OH
L1609[17:19:07] <Achai> woops
L1610[17:19:12] <viomi> I was like "wtf are you talking about huh"
L1611[17:19:15] <Achai> sorry... lol
L1612[17:19:18] <vifino> CONFIRMS ONCE AGAIN THAT VIOMI AND I ARE THE SAME PERSON
L1613[17:19:24] <viomi> it's true
L1614[17:19:26] <Temia> orz
L1615[17:19:38] <Achai> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L1616[17:19:39] <Temia> Viffy and Vio.
L1617[17:19:40] <TheMadMen> Quick question, does Drones can use portals ?
L1618[17:19:46] <gamax92> DIO
L1619[17:19:50] <Temia> No, Vio.
L1620[17:19:52] <viomi> DIOOOO
L1621[17:19:53] <gamax92> oh
L1622[17:19:57] <vifino> wrrrryyyyy
L1623[17:20:05] <TYKUHN2> When you forget to set the IP to static and tell the server to reboot remotely.
L1624[17:20:07] <Temia> yare yare da ze. :I
L1625[17:20:16] <Achai> vifino: but anyways, declaring a table like {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10} will cause the table to have 10 array entries
L1626[17:20:33] <Achai> so if you preallocate a table using something like {nil, nil, nil, nil... }
L1627[17:20:45] <Achai> you can have efficient table chunks, since you would skip the hash lookup
L1628[17:20:58] <vifino> so, tl;dr dostring the fuck out of that?
L1629[17:21:07] <gamax92> string.rep
L1630[17:21:07] <Achai> no, you don't need dostring
L1631[17:21:11] <Achai> or string.rep
L1632[17:21:12] <vifino> oh.
L1633[17:21:18] <gamax92> but you could use string rep
L1634[17:21:27] <Achai> I'll make a PR if I can figure out how to test performance
L1635[17:21:48] <vifino> loopedy loop?
L1636[17:21:52] <Achai> could, but why not just declare a function that returns a preset amount in a table
L1637[17:21:57] <Achai> and then just chain tables together
L1638[17:22:21] <Achai> vifino: should I make something like benchmark loop to test it?
L1639[17:22:24] <vifino> sure!
L1640[17:22:43] <vifino> you can also make busted tests for it if you want to/would be so kind as to do so.
L1641[17:22:53] <Achai> (i have nothing I can run in the emulators)
L1642[17:23:13] <Achai> vifino: can you send me some test programs maybe?
L1643[17:23:19] <vifino> yeah, they are all cpu bound in terms of the emulation rather than memory.
L1644[17:23:45] <Achai> oh, well
L1645[17:23:53] <vifino> well, there really are just the zpu emulator and the 8080 emulator.
L1646[17:24:20] <payonel> vifino: i would guess your losing any benefit 5.3's bitops would provide by calling bitlib.b* -- i would expect your performance is the same in this case using 5.2 or 5.3
L1647[17:24:33] <viomi> MGR: https://github.com/Viomi/GERT/commit/675d4cd9fe3ca4ccdcb508d61e20b5d166ee8595
L1648[17:24:35] <vifino> :/
L1649[17:24:48] <payonel> you're*
L1650[17:25:39] <gamax92> Good Enough Routing Table
L1651[17:26:16] <vifino> Achai: 8080 could be more memory bound than the ZPU emulator, but there aren't really much 'benchmark' esque stuff. You could run Space Invaders and test the cpu usage?
L1652[17:26:31] <vifino> other than that, not much at all, no.
L1653[17:26:35] <gamax92> Great Expectations Routing Technology
L1654[17:27:18] <viomi> Ginormous Ego Regret Tool
L1655[17:27:24] <gamax92> XD
L1656[17:27:36] <vifino> Gladly Erased Rudamentary Turd, but that's a bit mean.
L1657[17:27:42] <viomi> So rood, vifino.
L1658[17:29:33] <gamax92> Gladioli Elderberry Rudbeckia Tulips
L1659[17:30:22] <vifino> Great Expectations Rudely Trampled
L1660[17:31:29] <viomi> hillary = Gerrymandering Except, Regretfully, Tits
L1661[17:31:54] <gamax92> Green Engineers Remote Terminal
L1662[17:32:05] <viomi> Gay Engineers Remote Toy ;)
L1663[17:32:14] <gamax92> Greatly Exaggerated Recovery Time
L1664[17:32:53] <Temia> Gaston's Excessively Ridiculous Testosterone
L1665[17:33:00] <viomi> oh jeez
L1666[17:33:03] <viomi> such masculinity
L1667[17:33:10] <vifino> viomi: Lewd much?
L1668[17:33:24] <Temia> nobody self-aggrandizes like GASTON
L1669[17:33:39] <gamax92> Germany's Environmental Rough Terrain
L1670[17:33:53] <TYKUHN2> GRRR dhcpcd doesn't run on boot
L1671[17:34:04] <gamax92> Are you setting up arch
L1672[17:34:15] <vifino> Or rather, failing to?
L1673[17:34:15] <TYKUHN2> Yeah
L1674[17:34:27] <gamax92> if you tell me how to make dhcpcd run at boot I'd appreaciate that
L1675[17:34:42] <TYKUHN2> Probably something to do with rc
L1676[17:34:43] <vifino> systemctl enable dhcpdc@<interface>.service
L1677[17:34:48] <vifino> iirc.
L1678[17:35:06] <vifino> er, dhcpcd
L1679[17:35:08] <vifino> maybe.
L1680[17:35:56] <viomi> systemctl enable dhcpcd@eno1.service
L1681[17:36:01] <TYKUHN2> Created a few symlinks that's all the info I have right now
L1682[17:36:17] <viomi> It symlinks to a directory of symlinks that run on boot.
L1683[17:36:42] <viomi> That's how systemctl enable works, at least.
L1684[17:36:58] <TYKUHN2> What was I doing
L1685[17:37:03] <vifino> start?
L1686[17:37:32] <viomi> systemctl start dhcpcd@eno1.service will start it immediately.
L1687[17:37:38] <viomi> Enable runs it at boot.
L1688[17:37:50] <viomi> replace eno1 with whatever interface, obviously.
L1689[17:38:42] <TYKUHN2> Well I'm trying to get rid of the damn enp0s25
L1690[17:38:48] <TYKUHN2> I prefer eth0
L1691[17:38:56] <vifino> Why?
L1692[17:39:08] <vifino> Predicable network interface naming is... predictable!
L1693[17:39:22] <TYKUHN2> Because I have one NIC and one adapter
L1694[17:39:29] <TYKUHN2> I don't need interface naming
L1695[17:39:34] <S3> So!
L1696[17:39:41] <vifino> Except if they randomly switch places.
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L1698[17:40:17] <vifino> I guess with just two ifs, one of them being USB, it's not an issue.
L1699[17:40:39] <vifino> But, ya know, it bites you in the butt if you ever have multiple.
L1700[17:40:41] <TYKUHN2> Alright time to hope systemctl enable for both dhcpcd and sshd worked
L1701[17:41:01] <TYKUHN2> I generally don't restrict to certain NICs
L1702[17:41:14] <TYKUHN2> And only ever have one ether
L1703[17:41:42] <gamax92> I have to disable it because while the ethernet port works, if I connect the usb ethernet it switches around though
L1704[17:41:47] <TYKUHN2> A stop job for Session c1 of user root takes a long time
L1705[17:42:14] <gamax92> luckily I've been mostly using the ethernet port and attching the usb ethernet to the laptop
L1706[17:42:19] <Achai> vifino: so I have bad news
L1707[17:42:24] <Achai> well, sorta
L1708[17:42:31] <vifino> gamax92: Shouldn't that mean you should enable it?
L1709[17:42:46] <vifino> predictable interface naming, i mean.
L1710[17:42:50] <Achai> from some initial testing, preallocating a table and doing random r/w gets me a couple of milliseconds (on average) in Lua 5.3
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L1712[17:43:05] <Achai> but it causes me to lose around 10 milliseconds (on average) in Lua 5.1
L1713[17:43:12] <gamax92> vifino: the "predictable naming stuff" causes it to get a random enp name
L1714[17:43:19] <gamax92> but it always ends up in the same spot when it's eth
L1715[17:43:22] <gamax92> funny that.
L1716[17:43:25] <vifino> wat.
L1717[17:43:36] <vifino> exactly that shouldn't happen. ?_?
L1718[17:43:44] <Achai> However, LuaJIT really likes the preallocated tables (23ms on average vs 24ms)
L1719[17:44:05] <vifino> Achai: Did you test overall runtime or after it is preallocated?
L1720[17:44:19] <vifino> or created rather.
L1721[17:44:48] <Achai> vifino: I'm doing 30 samples of n*4 rounds (where n = 65536)
L1722[17:44:58] <Achai> so I preallocate a table for each of the 30 samples
L1723[17:45:19] <TYKUHN2> I wonder whats taking it so long
L1724[17:45:30] <TYKUHN2> Oh btw that enable worked
L1725[17:45:35] <TYKUHN2> systemctl enable dhcpcd
L1726[17:45:41] <vifino> Yay, I was helpful?
L1727[17:45:44] <Achai> preallocation is better for clusters of small tables
L1728[17:45:45] <vifino> \o/
L1729[17:46:01] <TYKUHN2> Also enabled sshd which really makes this better remote
L1730[17:46:04] <Achai> I get perf benefits in Lua 5.1 when I use smaller tables for preallocation
L1731[17:46:17] <Achai> so I would have to make a cluster of table chunks for something larget
L1732[17:46:19] <TYKUHN2> Though ip link list is more annoying than ifconfig ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L1733[17:46:19] <Achai> *larger
L1734[17:46:45] <TYKUHN2> I should probably go Debian but it's so much heavier!
L1735[17:46:46] <payonel> vifino: anyways, i don't see the point in loadstring of a string with 5.3 bitops vs bit methods in 5.2
L1736[17:47:22] <vifino> payonel: could very well be.
L1737[17:48:14] <vifino> Achai: so you are measuring allocation too and not just the access performance?
L1738[17:48:32] <Achai> since the memory is going to be at a constant size, you can utilize multilevel tables with a set number of array entries each
L1739[17:48:35] <Achai> vifino: yes
L1740[17:48:59] <TYKUHN2> My arch is odd though because on the local screen the cursor doesn't exist
L1741[17:49:01] <Achai> for each, I allocate an array with a prealloc hint and an optional fill parameter
L1742[17:49:07] <vifino> well, it is pretty certain preallocating a table takes longer than creating an empty one.
L1743[17:49:10] <Achai> I pass a fill parameter of 0 to fill the array with 0
L1744[17:49:17] <Achai> vifino: actually nope
L1745[17:49:21] <vifino> wat?
L1746[17:49:43] <Achai> when you do {nil, nil, nil} in lua
L1747[17:49:55] <Achai> it generates a single bytecode instruction for the 3 nils
L1748[17:49:58] <vifino> oh
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L1750[17:50:02] <vifino> that's neat.
L1751[17:50:22] <Achai> so that compiles to NEWTABLE narray=3; LOADNIL 1 -> 3; SETLIST
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L1753[17:50:37] <Achai> however, it depends on how many entries you use
L1754[17:50:42] <TYKUHN2> Hoping to hook it's wireless up fast, I kinda need my ethernet cable back
L1755[17:50:48] <Achai> 48 is probably the most optimal and avoids the most bytecode instructions
L1756[17:51:16] <vifino> 48 isn't a great memory size, though...
L1757[17:51:30] <Achai> well, its a compromise
L1758[17:51:38] <vifino> say?
L1759[17:51:52] <Achai> if you go over 50, Lua generates a new SETLIST instruction
L1760[17:52:10] <Achai> so to fill a table with 100 entries, you need 2 SETLIST instructions
L1761[17:52:15] <TYKUHN2> ? iw doesn't see adapter
L1762[17:52:15] <Achai> and 2 LOADNIL instructions
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L1764[17:53:04] <Achai> but the thing is, this can scale easily
L1765[17:53:19] <Achai> because you can compose an array of arrays
L1766[17:53:27] <Achai> well, a preallocated table of tables
L1767[17:53:32] <Achai> to more preallocated tables
L1768[17:53:39] <vifino> yay!
L1769[17:53:58] <Achai> so you can have 48 tables of preallocated 48s
L1770[17:54:08] <Achai> and expand that to as many levels you need
L1771[17:54:37] <Achai> you will get hefty cache misses though
L1772[17:54:39] <vifino> Are you sure this won't have more overhead compared to a single "normal" lookup?
L1773[17:54:43] <Achai> but hey, better than a hash table ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L1774[17:55:07] <Achai> vifino: I'll have to test an implementation of that "composed" algorithm
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L1776[17:56:10] <vifino> What's the issue with generating huge preallocated tables though? I mean, they do generate more instructions, but memory is not supposed to be created a dozen times a second, but reused over a long time.
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L1778[17:57:39] <Achai> theres always the issue of generating a string thats too long
L1779[17:58:07] <Achai> well, I have to loadstring to construct a preallocated table
L1780[17:58:23] <Achai> (you could do it with some vararg magic, but that can also be kinda weird)
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L1782[17:59:19] <Achai> With my current impl, I generate 8 chars for the "return{}" and 4 chars for each entry "nil,"
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L1784[17:59:57] <Achai> so if you have a 8kb entry array, you have to generate a 32kb string
L1785[18:00:19] <Skye> That's... A lot of overhead
L1786[18:00:38] <Achai> which is why I'd rather have multiple levels of 48 entry arrays
L1787[18:01:53] <Achai> which can be covered in 3 levels (table of 48 -> table of 48 -> entry table of 48)
L1788[18:02:41] <Achai> and would optimally allocate a little over 171 tables
L1789[18:03:23] <Achai> plus, the function to generate the table would only be 200 bytes, so it can be inlined into the source code itself
L1790[18:03:43] <Skye> What's the overhead?
L1791[18:03:52] <Achai> dunno, haven't written that one yet
L1792[18:04:18] <vifino> Sounds interesting.
L1793[18:04:25] <Achai> I imagine that accesses would be slower but memory use would be improved
L1794[18:04:44] <Achai> since we wouldn't have to carry around a 32kb string with our autogenerated closures
L1795[18:04:53] <Skye> What's the best way to store bytes?
L1796[18:05:07] <S3> Hey skye
L1797[18:05:17] <Achai> honestly, the best way to store bytes would probably be a whole bunch of strings though
L1798[18:05:37] <Achai> I could test that, but I'd have to make a different test for that
L1799[18:05:40] <S3> How would you like a new, friendly, documented network stack for open is?
L1800[18:05:52] <S3> Openos*
L1801[18:06:30] <vifino> Achai: Feel free to implement all the different things.
L1802[18:06:37] <Achai> preallocated tables even have a performance edge in LuaJIT ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L1803[18:06:40] <vifino> Testing would be awesome.
L1804[18:06:46] <Achai> vifino: *Feel free*
L1805[18:06:50] <vifino> Yes.
L1806[18:07:02] <Achai> Ok, I'll just package together my Lua 5.3 exploit so you can write to raw memory then ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L1807[18:07:18] <vifino> Oh. Oh. Well. Uhm.
L1808[18:07:23] <Achai> (it actually might be slower than raw memory access though...)
L1809[18:07:24] <vifino> Suuuuuuuuure.
L1810[18:07:32] <Achai> i mean, table access
L1811[18:07:38] <Skye> S3, sounds interesting but I need to sleep.
L1812[18:07:39] <vifino> That's not good.
L1813[18:07:51] <Achai> I'd have to optimize stuff
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L1815[18:08:01] <Achai> The exploit is pretty fast and always works
L1816[18:08:11] <Achai> but I might thrash the GC too much...
L1817[18:08:24] <vifino> Just do The Sane Things first.
L1818[18:08:39] <vifino> So no exploity thingies for now.
L1819[18:08:59] <Achai> :<
L1820[18:09:28] <vifino> Hey, if you behave, I'll get you ice cream, son.
L1821[18:09:33] <Achai> :<<
L1822[18:09:58] <Achai> yeah, so it is slower for now
L1823[18:10:10] <Achai> all because I make lots of strings
L1824[18:10:10] <viomi> MGR: https://github.com/Viomi/GERT/commit/79000a34373dba95b715c1378f83d96130db9811
L1825[18:10:44] <Achai> writeAt functions by creating reading prototypes using makeReadProto, which is passed an address
L1826[18:11:07] <Achai> makeReadProto constructs a custom function prototype with the constants field pointing to random memory
L1827[18:11:23] <Achai> and the function prototype is stored in a string constructed together using concat and string.pack
L1828[18:11:40] <MajGenRelativity> will check
L1829[18:11:56] <Achai> and the TValue of the function type pointing to the memory constructed by the string is grabbed using grabTValue
L1830[18:12:05] <IzayaXMPP> ohi MGR
L1831[18:12:07] <IzayaXMPP> for reference
L1832[18:12:13] <Achai> which does heap grooming until its able to grab a tvalue by doing out of bounds constant access
L1833[18:12:32] <Achai> bugger I can't use that, :<
L1834[18:12:40] <IzayaXMPP> you are delusional about me being your friend
L1835[18:12:50] <Achai> snap
L1836[18:13:03] <viomi> IzayaXMPP: I'm pretty sure MGR has never referred to you as a friend.
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L1838[18:15:46] <vifino> But, you are new, how do you know?
L1839[18:16:06] <Katie> he has, atleast once, recently
L1840[18:16:18] <viomi> Katie: Oh?
L1841[18:16:21] <Katie> yes
L1842[18:16:58] * vifino pokes viomi
L1843[18:17:04] <Katie> https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/parser.php?log=2017-03-26.log#L590
L1844[18:17:10] <Katie> :P
L1845[18:17:27] * Katie hugs OCLogs
L1846[18:17:30] * Katie pets Neo
L1847[18:17:50] <ocdoc> :<
L1848[18:18:05] <viomi> It was sarcasm, I thought.
L1849[18:18:17] * Katie tests action
L1850[18:18:19] <Katie> meh
L1851[18:18:25] * Katie slaps text events
L1852[18:18:25] * EnderBot2 laughs
L1853[18:18:40] * Katie tests again
L1854[18:18:41] <Katie> yay
L1855[18:30:44] <ocdoc> :<
L1856[18:35:39] * Katie pets ocdoc
L1857[18:42:33] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya is my friend, no matter how much he denies it :)
L1858[18:42:53] <IzayaXMPP> Keep dreaming.
L1859[18:48:39] <TYKUHN2> Uhm is rtl8188eus basically rtl8188eu?
L1860[18:49:06] <IzayaXMPP> well
L1861[18:49:15] <IzayaXMPP> there's 1 character difference
L1862[18:49:26] <TYKUHN2> Driver wise are they compatible?
L1863[18:50:31] <vifino> Should be. S stands for single channel, so no MIMO.
L1864[18:51:21] <IzayaXMPP> ^ not a sarcastic response
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L1866[18:52:08] <TYKUHN2> Now I'm wondering how to get my damn driver
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L1868[18:52:16] <IzayaXMPP> keyboard back button >.>
L1869[18:52:47] <MajGenRelativity> It's ok Izaya
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L1871[18:52:54] <MajGenRelativity> I know you'll stop hiding it one day :)
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L1873[18:53:37] <IzayaXMPP> Whatever you reckon
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L1877[18:56:17] <viomi> MGR: https://github.com/Viomi/GERT/commit/0d61396d0bd0c1d132936968804fdeb58f3b2252
L1878[18:56:25] <viomi> Sorry for commit spam. :u
L1879[18:59:25] <TYKUHN2> Anyone mind being my personal IT slave for a few minutes?
L1880[18:59:38] <viomi> TYKUHN2: Depends what you need help with.
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L1883[19:00:53] <TYKUHN2> My wireless card is being extremely figety
L1884[19:01:08] <TYKUHN2> It is scanning and everything but fails to associate
L1885[19:01:25] <viomi> TYKUHN2: Have you tried turning it off and on again
L1886[19:02:23] <Z0idburg> Nobody is ever in the voice channel lol
L1887[19:02:44] <TYKUHN2> "Cannot get wiphy information" from rfkill, "Operation not permitted" and 2 "invalid argument" from ioctl
L1888[19:03:15] <viomi> Z0idburg: Voice channel..?
L1889[19:03:28] <viomi> Oh right, Discord exists. Ew.
L1890[19:03:30] <viomi> IRC master race.
L1891[19:03:38] <Izaya> https://a.pomf.cat/vfzvxv.jpg how2write T408 programs
L1892[19:04:09] <Z0idburg> Oh yeh! I'm just being random on the voice channel right now
L1893[19:05:08] <TYKUHN2> "WEXT: Failed to clear BSSID selection on Disconnect" appears like an issue
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L1895[19:05:43] <viomi> TYKUHN2: You see those commits I linked?
L1896[19:08:56] <Z0idburg> Rofl
L1897[19:09:54] <TYKUHN2> Not really viomi been focused on getting this working
L1898[19:11:08] <TYKUHN2> Oh wait
L1899[19:11:12] <TYKUHN2> I might have debugged it a bit
L1900[19:12:00] <viomi> TYKUHN2: ?
L1901[19:12:27] <TYKUHN2> AHA IT WORKED
L1902[19:12:35] <TYKUHN2> wpa_supplicant REALLY hates hidden networks
L1903[19:12:41] <TYKUHN2> Atleast non-raspbian versions do ?
L1904[19:13:21] <TYKUHN2> Bloody WPA_Supplicant
L1905[19:13:29] <Z0idburg> Nobody can hear me I hope
L1906[19:16:03] <TYKUHN2> I can
L1907[19:16:14] <TYKUHN2> I *totally* haven't been recording ?
L1908[19:16:41] <TYKUHN2> \o/ IP ADDRESS
L1909[19:16:47] <Z0idburg> Of crap
L1910[19:17:02] * AmandaC calls 1-800-RENT-A-NSA to activate z0idberg's webcam, recorded whatsd he's doing in the hopes she can create the next Numa Numa video
L1911[19:18:55] <TYKUHN2> Testing my hacked together systemctl
L1912[19:20:20] <Z0idburg> Noooooo
L1913[19:20:20] <Z0idburg> I can't remember that chord progression
L1914[19:20:21] *** cbcercas is now known as cbcercas|AFK
L1915[19:20:35] <TYKUHN2> Test failed
L1916[19:20:51] <TYKUHN2> initiating backup link
L1917[19:21:06] <Z0idburg> Lol I was playing the grand
L1918[19:21:40] <Z0idburg> It's a1930s chickening grand piano
L1919[19:22:38] <TYKUHN2> No more musac?
L1920[19:22:55] <Z0idburg> I dunno what to play
L1921[19:23:11] <Z0idburg> Gonna test the other piano
L1922[19:23:25] <Z0idburg> In the other room
L1923[19:23:31] <Z0idburg> Had a much more modern sound to it
L1924[19:23:55] <AmandaC> Bach's unfinished 12th sonatra, but ressurect him as an Ashen one to finish it
L1925[19:24:28] * AmandaC slinks back off to the shadows to watch more botw videos
L1926[19:24:32] <Z0idburg> More in tune...
L1927[19:26:04] <TYKUHN2> I'm converned
L1928[19:26:28] <TYKUHN2> WPA "started" correctly but the card isn't associated
L1929[19:27:52] <Z0idburg> Rofl
L1930[19:28:01] <Z0idburg> Lololololol
L1931[19:28:41] <TYKUHN2> I have quite an echoy clap ?
L1932[19:28:55] <Z0idburg> Going to test and see how phrygian dominant sounds on this piano instead
L1933[19:29:55] <TYKUHN2> Cat's been sleeping on my desk for the past two hours
L1934[19:31:19] <TYKUHN2> Ugh
L1935[19:31:21] <TYKUHN2> This is annoying
L1936[19:31:39] <TYKUHN2> Systemd is "properly" starting WPA but wlan0 isn't associating
L1937[19:31:40] <Z0idburg> These keys are much stiffer
L1938[19:31:44] <Z0idburg> I can't play as fast
L1939[19:32:14] <TYKUHN2> Just glad my arch server loads fast (Slowest part is probably BIOS then 4 second Grub timeout
L1940[19:33:08] <viomi> You could set that timeout to 0 :>
L1941[19:33:12] <TYKUHN2> I could
L1942[19:33:16] <TYKUHN2> But I am dual booting it
L1943[19:33:23] <viomi> ah
L1944[19:33:27] <viomi> dual boots I usually set to 1
L1945[19:33:28] <TYKUHN2> Arch Server dualed with Windows Client because fuck it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L1946[19:34:07] <TYKUHN2> How do I change timeout? I'd love to do that
L1947[19:34:13] <Z0idburg> This is weird
L1948[19:34:29] <Z0idburg> I dunno I must have forgotten the key that song is on
L1949[19:34:33] <Z0idburg> In*
L1950[19:34:38] <Izaya> why are you dual booting a server?
L1951[19:34:51] <Z0idburg> Trying something
L1952[19:35:09] <TYKUHN2> Izaya when it's not being used for client purposes I just run a very light linux
L1953[19:35:27] <TYKUHN2> Viomi how do you manually set timeout again?
L1954[19:35:33] <Z0idburg> Oh it's in Dorian!!!
L1955[19:35:41] <Z0idburg> Not mixolydian
L1956[19:36:05] <viomi> TYKUHN2: /etc/default/grub > GRUB_TIMEOUT=1
L1957[19:36:09] <TYKUHN2> Also os_prober is missing Win10
L1958[19:36:37] <TYKUHN2> Had to manually add it
L1959[19:36:57] <Izaya> Should've just ignored it :p
L1960[19:37:16] <viomi> grub-install --recheck /dev/sda & grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
L1961[19:37:27] <viomi> that mkconfig is the thing that will find windows 10.
L1962[19:37:43] <viomi> os-prober had it for me, maybe you had an older version or something?
L1963[19:38:48] <TYKUHN2> It's a BIOS computer
L1964[19:38:52] <TYKUHN2> Might be the issue
L1965[19:39:10] <vifino> No.
L1966[19:39:30] <TYKUHN2> Also I forget to remake the config before rebooting
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L1968[19:40:30] <TYKUHN2> Bless you
L1969[19:41:03] <viomi> TYKUHN2: It work?
L1970[19:41:32] <TYKUHN2> What?
L1971[19:41:37] <TYKUHN2> Z0idburg sneezed
L1972[19:41:45] <viomi> Oh lol
L1973[19:41:51] <viomi> I just thought you were very grateful :b
L1974[19:42:06] <Z0idburg> Apparently somebody is waiting for me
L1975[19:42:20] <Z0idburg> Aww
L1976[19:43:47] <TYKUHN2> 4 second faster boot time is nice
L1977[19:44:19] <TYKUHN2> Hmm
L1978[19:44:23] <viomi> Hm?
L1979[19:44:45] <vifino> Hrrrrmmmmmmmnhh?
L1980[19:45:05] <TYKUHN2> Which file should I be editing? wpa_supplicant@.service or wpa_supplicant.service?
L1981[19:45:42] <viomi> wpa_supplicant.service
L1982[19:45:51] <viomi> wait
L1983[19:45:56] <viomi> ...
L1984[19:46:15] <viomi> systemctl status <TAB>
L1985[19:46:38] <viomi> Which does it say? wpa_supplicant@eno1.service or blahblah@wpa_supplicant.service ?
L1986[19:46:54] <TYKUHN2> One second it's rebooting
L1987[19:47:29] <viomi> There's a config in /etc/wpa_supplicant
L1988[19:48:05] <TYKUHN2> I had to manually make that config
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L1990[19:48:33] <viomi> The only wpa_supplicant config I'm seeing is there, /etc/wpa_supplicant
L1991[19:48:50] <viomi> I've said supplicant too many times now, it doesn't look or sound like a real word..
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L1993[19:50:57] <TYKUHN2> WTF
L1994[19:51:07] <TYKUHN2> Now it's just spitting out it's help
L1995[19:52:19] <TYKUHN2> Anyways my problem is the WPA service isn't associating my shit
L1996[19:52:42] <TYKUHN2> Driver is WEXT and config file is /etc/wpa_supplicant/config.conf
L1997[19:52:55] <TYKUHN2> I'm using flags -c -D and for somereason it requires -u
L1998[19:53:17] <TYKUHN2> correct service file is /usr/lib/systemd/system/wpa_supplicant.service
L1999[19:54:08] <TYKUHN2> Can anyone offer any help?
L2000[19:54:52] <viomi> Hmm
L2001[19:55:33] <viomi> The service config just changes how it's ran
L2002[19:56:09] <viomi> If you've got your configs and stuff set up then I'm not really sure
L2003[19:56:10] <TYKUHN2> WPA isn't spitting errors out
L2004[19:56:28] <viomi> I don't use a wireless card on my main machine, and on my mobile machines I just run wifi-menu >.>
L2005[19:56:51] <TYKUHN2> ctrl_interface=/run/wpa_supplicant
L2006[19:56:59] <TYKUHN2> update_config=1
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L2008[19:57:21] <TYKUHN2> SSID and PSK are set manually but I also added scan_ssid because otherwise it can't find it.
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L2010[19:59:49] <TYKUHN2> Let's try systemctl enable wpa_supplicant@wlan0
L2011[20:00:11] <viomi> systemctl enable wpa_supplicant@wlan0.service
L2012[20:00:13] <viomi> ;b
L2013[20:00:32] <TYKUHN2> .service is implied
L2014[20:00:37] <TYKUHN2> Not required
L2015[20:00:50] <viomi> Is it? Huh, I just always typed it out.
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L2017[20:01:10] <TYKUHN2> AHA!
L2018[20:01:12] <viomi> Also, if you do systemctl enable wpa_supplicant.service (and no @anything), it'll find all interfaces available.
L2019[20:01:33] <TYKUHN2> This time it successfully attempted to load that interface but failed because I forgot to specify WEXT
L2020[20:01:59] <TYKUHN2> wpa_sypplicant.service was enabled but it uses dbus and I have no dbus users installed
L2021[20:02:37] <viomi> Ah.
L2022[20:02:54] <Saphire> Heya
L2023[20:03:08] <TYKUHN2> WTF
L2024[20:03:14] * viomi hides behind Saphire.
L2025[20:03:15] <TYKUHN2> "Trying to associate..."
L2026[20:03:24] <TYKUHN2> "Association request failed with driver"
L2027[20:03:30] <TYKUHN2> "ASSOCIATED WITH ...."
L2028[20:03:36] <TYKUHN2> IN THAT ORDER
L2029[20:03:45] <Saphire> Uh oh
L2030[20:03:50] <TYKUHN2> ? ?
L2031[20:03:58] <Saphire> Sounds like "this can't happen" bug
L2032[20:03:58] <viomi> have you tried wifi-menu?
L2033[20:04:37] <TYKUHN2> Meh
L2034[20:04:41] <Saphire> I mean.. something like "if (error) return;" failed to actually exit some function
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L2036[20:05:03] <viomi> Yeah, or they weren't returning after an error
L2037[20:05:06] <viomi> :b
L2038[20:05:09] <viomi> when they should
L2039[20:05:30] <TYKUHN2> Good now it successfully authenticates to a hidden high speed wifi that is configured to always give it 192.168.1.5. Time to reclaim my ethernet cable and reconfigure all my SSH tools
L2040[20:05:54] <viomi> Wait, you're using wifi and ether?
L2041[20:06:16] <S3> So you guys missed me playing piano on discord voice chat earlier
L2042[20:06:17] <TYKUHN2> Was using ether because wifi was a pain
L2043[20:06:27] <TYKUHN2> Shit
L2044[20:06:34] <TYKUHN2> Forgot to port foward for the new ssh brb
L2045[20:06:37] <viomi> But. ether is faster than wifi
L2046[20:06:52] <viomi> Why take all that time to set up wifi when your ether works...
L2047[20:06:54] <TYKUHN2> I only have one cable
L2048[20:06:54] <viomi> :S
L2049[20:06:57] <S3> Viomi: technically yes and no
L2050[20:07:06] <viomi> S3: Technically yes and yes :L
L2051[20:07:07] <TYKUHN2> And I prefer my desktop have it
L2052[20:07:24] <TYKUHN2> Though I might get a switch here soon. A bit tasking for Coax maybe
L2053[20:07:28] <S3> It's generally slower because of dropped Packers
L2054[20:07:29] <viomi> TYKUHN2: Oh, I see. I thought your desktop was the one you were configuring, lol.
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L2056[20:07:39] <S3> Packets
L2057[20:07:47] <viomi> S3: Max speed of wifi is slower than max speed of ether. Also packets get dropped at times.
L2058[20:07:49] <S3> Damn auto correct
L2059[20:08:33] <S3> Viomi wifi maybe but it is a radio signal the maximum speed of wifi is actually considered to be infinite
L2060[20:08:48] <S3> But constrained to 1*C
L2061[20:09:14] <TYKUHN2> My router supports linkspeed of about 40Mbps
L2062[20:09:31] <TYKUHN2> Ethernet is upwards of 80
L2063[20:10:02] <TYKUHN2> 192.168.200.254:24 => 192.168.1.5:22
L2064[20:10:26] <S3> It's the same for Ethernet. Your signal on Ethernet is also technically a radio signal too that just never left the wire
L2065[20:11:15] <TYKUHN2> Alright moving a wire brb
L2066[20:11:30] <S3> You know though
L2067[20:11:49] <viomi> S3 Yes, radio signals have no speed limit.
L2068[20:12:01] <viomi> Wifi is a specific set of radio signals, and they are slow :b
L2069[20:12:16] <viomi> When I say "ether is faster than wifi", I don't mean "ether is faster than any wireless communication possible"
L2070[20:12:16] <S3> I think it's funny how people consider Ethernet cable an acceptable name for say category 3,45,6,7,8 etc
L2071[20:12:23] <S3> 4,5
L2072[20:12:59] <TYKUHN2> I'm using CAT5e. I found a cut CAT6 though
L2073[20:13:07] <TYKUHN2> Just not even slightly long enough
L2074[20:13:19] <TYKUHN2> Doesn't span the entire room like it needs to
L2075[20:13:30] <S3> So I have a host
L2076[20:13:36] <S3> House*
L2077[20:13:46] <S3> And I'm soon running lots of cable
L2078[20:14:09] <viomi> I run cat6 through my walls ;b
L2079[20:14:12] <S3> I have a giant roll of cat6 but not all of it will be category cable
L2080[20:14:14] <TYKUHN2> BTW I have two WN725N from TP-Link
L2081[20:14:43] <TYKUHN2> One was plugged into my desktop while the cable was in the server. The other was the bitch I was configuring.
L2082[20:14:47] <S3> In my office only one computer so have Ethernet
L2083[20:14:57] <S3> Will*
L2084[20:15:01] <TYKUHN2> I'm running a Lua router for my wifi
L2085[20:15:10] <TYKUHN2> That connects via Coax to my actual router
L2086[20:15:22] <S3> I am deploying infina don't my office
L2087[20:15:28] <S3> Bah
L2088[20:15:28] <TYKUHN2> my desktop connects via ether to a STB to Coax to router to optifiber
L2089[20:15:46] <TYKUHN2> Pushes 80 syncronously
L2090[20:15:49] <S3> I am going to deploy infina don't in my office in the long run
L2091[20:16:04] <S3> 10 or 20 gbit probably
L2092[20:16:23] <S3> WTF autocorrect
L2093[20:16:34] <TYKUHN2> Right
L2094[20:16:45] <TYKUHN2> Now that wifi is set up time to ACTUALLY configure the server for it's purpose
L2095[20:16:46] <S3> " I will be deploying infiniband in my office"
L2096[20:16:50] <S3> There!!!
L2097[20:17:13] <S3> Autocorrect is dumb
L2098[20:18:24] <S3> Ever played with infiniband?
L2099[20:18:39] <S3> It's a form of RDMA
L2100[20:18:42] <TYKUHN2> Infiniband for distributed processing
L2101[20:18:59] <S3> Yeah and the hardware is super cheap now
L2102[20:19:06] <TYKUHN2> Can I haz with mi pi?
L2103[20:19:28] <S3> You can setup a 10 gbit network with it for less than 100 usd
L2104[20:19:39] <S3> 20 gbit not much more
L2105[20:19:47] <TYKUHN2> Cluster micro processors?
L2106[20:20:01] <TYKUHN2> Jesus Viomi you're spamming my inbox
L2107[20:20:07] <S3> After 20 gbit you get into limitations with your ram...
L2108[20:20:23] <vifino> S3: I have 4gb/s fibre channel and 10GbE ethernet deployed at home.
L2109[20:20:45] <S3> So the idea is infiniband in my office and Ethernet in the rest of the house
L2110[20:21:11] <TYKUHN2> Uhm
L2111[20:21:25] <TYKUHN2> I can't remember which version Arch uses
L2112[20:21:31] <TYKUHN2> Not deb and not rpm right?
L2113[20:21:39] <TYKUHN2> tgz?
L2114[20:21:51] <vifino> Depends.
L2115[20:21:57] <viomi> TYKUHN2: What do you mean I'm spamming your inbox?
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L2117[20:22:00] <TYKUHN2> SHIT wget not found
L2118[20:22:01] <S3> Txz
L2119[20:22:11] <S3> Use curl?
L2120[20:22:19] <vifino> Yeah, the default repo uses xz compressed tars.
L2121[20:22:37] <S3> Curl can also download stuff
L2122[20:22:41] <TYKUHN2> How does one curl?
L2123[20:22:54] <viomi> pretty much the same
L2124[20:22:56] <S3> I don't remember the syntax...
L2125[20:23:01] <TYKUHN2> Raspbian has been spoiling me
L2126[20:23:07] <viomi> pretty srue it's just "curl url"
L2127[20:23:29] <vifino> curl url > bla
L2128[20:23:33] <vifino> or curl url -o bla
L2129[20:23:44] <viomi> curl is wget but w/ support for tons of different protocols, not just http/https/ftp
L2130[20:23:54] <vifino> not quite.
L2131[20:24:14] <viomi> Well, and curl sends stuff to stdout like cat
L2132[20:24:22] <viomi> Which means you can use it with other commands in cool ways :b
L2133[20:24:33] <vifino> wget can do that too.
L2134[20:24:41] <vifino> wget url -O -
L2135[20:24:57] <viomi> Orly?
L2136[20:25:02] <TYKUHN2> Hmm I just realised HTTP/2 is a thing
L2137[20:25:02] <vifino> yarly.
L2138[20:25:17] <vifino> Yes, so is SPDY.
L2139[20:25:31] <viomi> curl supports socks & gzip w/ automatic decompression and sending ;b
L2140[20:25:36] <TYKUHN2> wget by default saves to a file. Curl outputs to stdout which btw broke everything
L2141[20:25:59] <vifino> only cause you used it wrong.
L2142[20:26:06] <TYKUHN2> Now how does one unpack tgz
L2143[20:26:09] <viomi> TYKUHN2: That's why you curl url > output
L2144[20:26:14] <vifino> tar xvfz tarfile
L2145[20:26:23] <viomi> tar -xvf file
L2146[20:26:31] <viomi> or what vifino said.
L2147[20:26:31] <vifino> z.
L2148[20:26:33] <TYKUHN2> I wonder if pacman can
L2149[20:26:49] <vifino> pacman -U pkg
L2150[20:26:52] <viomi> Oh right, gunzip. So you need z.
L2151[20:26:53] <vifino> in file format.
L2152[20:27:09] <vifino> so pacman -U whatever.pkg.txz
L2153[20:27:20] <vifino> or tgz or whatever you have.
L2154[20:28:07] <TYKUHN2> Didn't work
L2155[20:28:09] <TYKUHN2> Missing metadata
L2156[20:28:26] <vifino> viomi: Newer versions of GNU tar can infer the compression algorithm, but it's generally a bad idea to use it.
L2157[20:28:41] <vifino> pacman -Syy?
L2158[20:29:08] <TYKUHN2> Missing package metadata invalid or corrupt package
L2159[20:29:13] <TYKUHN2> Maybe it's not designed for pacman ?
L2160[20:29:40] <vifino> -_-
L2161[20:30:11] <vifino> You can't just feed pacman a random archive.
L2162[20:30:23] <TYKUHN2> ?
L2163[20:30:45] <TYKUHN2> It's basically a very incomplete port of a windows only application that's still labeled "beta" since two years ago
L2164[20:31:10] <TYKUHN2> WTF
L2165[20:31:25] <TYKUHN2> "Cannot create file not such directory exists"
L2166[20:31:36] <TYKUHN2> Good job install.sh you failed your only job
L2167[20:32:15] <vifino> You should not install anything not known to your package manager.
L2168[20:32:38] <vifino> Especially to anything not in /usr/local.
L2169[20:32:57] <TYKUHN2> I've used it repeatedly
L2170[20:33:11] <TYKUHN2> Admittedly on Raspbian and Debian (maybe Kali) it always was... less finnicky
L2171[20:33:23] <vifino> What are you trying to install?
L2172[20:33:36] <TYKUHN2> LogMeIn Hamachi
L2173[20:33:41] <vifino> Oh god.
L2174[20:33:42] <TYKUHN2> Oh I see
L2175[20:33:46] <TYKUHN2> init.d doesn't exist
L2176[20:33:55] <TYKUHN2> Fuck autostart then
L2177[20:34:09] <vifino> Again: Don't install anything not known to your package manager.
L2178[20:34:17] <TYKUHN2> /dev/net/tun exists...
L2179[20:34:18] <vifino> There is an AUR package to install it properly.
L2180[20:34:27] <S3> RC.d is the best invention ever
L2181[20:34:58] <TYKUHN2> I need base-devel for AUR don't I?
L2182[20:35:03] <vifino> @TYKUHN2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hamachi
L2183[20:35:11] <vifino> Yes.
L2184[20:35:18] <vifino> For most packages, anyways.
L2185[20:35:52] <TYKUHN2> Do I need all 25 packages? ?
L2186[20:36:12] <IzayaXMPP> Yes.
L2187[20:36:16] <IzayaXMPP> Just install it
L2188[20:36:19] <IzayaXMPP> it'll make your life easier
L2189[20:36:30] <IzayaXMPP> get an AUR helper while you're at it
L2190[20:36:35] <TYKUHN2> OH GOD 29 MORE
L2191[20:36:42] * vifino facepalms
L2192[20:36:58] <viomi> pacaur ftw
L2193[20:37:00] <TYKUHN2> It said 25 was reinstalling so many it's only 4 more
L2194[20:37:18] <vifino> try adding --as-needed next time.
L2195[20:37:35] <TYKUHN2> Seriously? Do I really need to download at 300kbps with 80mbps speed?
L2196[20:37:46] <viomi> Have you changed your mirrorlist..?
L2197[20:37:50] <TYKUHN2> It's GCC! It's not hard to get
L2198[20:38:01] * vifino facepalms. AGAIN.
L2199[20:38:02] <TYKUHN2> Viomi I tried but it only ended up killing it ?
L2200[20:38:07] <viomi> :L
L2201[20:38:15] <TYKUHN2> I prefer Debian
L2202[20:38:20] <viomi> ...
L2203[20:38:27] * vifino FACEPALMS MORE. HARDER. MUCH HARDER.
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L2205[20:38:57] <viomi> Debian also uses a mirrorlist for apt-get.
L2206[20:39:10] <viomi> err, I should just say "apt", but you know what I mean.
L2207[20:39:28] <TYKUHN2> <.< >.> I forgot where pacman keeps his mirrors
L2208[20:39:37] <viomi> /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
L2209[20:39:41] <TYKUHN2> Found it
L2210[20:39:57] <viomi> TYKUHN2: You know arch has a wiki, right?
L2211[20:40:26] <TYKUHN2> Yeah
L2212[20:40:29] <TYKUHN2> I've been using it
L2213[20:40:34] <vifino> When viomi tells you to RTFM, you know you fucked up.
L2214[20:40:38] * vifino hides
L2215[20:41:09] <TYKUHN2> I don't understand aur
L2216[20:41:58] <TYKUHN2> Package not found I'm missing something
L2217[20:44:00] <TYKUHN2> viomi don't run now
L2218[20:44:45] <TYKUHN2> Does pacman not download through aur? Must I curl? ?
L2219[20:49:21] <TYKUHN2> What if I want to run makepkg as root? ?
L2220[20:51:01] <vifino> ;_;
L2221[20:51:37] <vifino> run makepkg --i-am-stupid-and-disregard-all-safety-warnings
L2222[20:52:59] <TYKUHN2> I'll quickly make a user
L2223[20:53:52] <TYKUHN2> Shit
L2224[20:55:20] <TYKUHN2> Hmm
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L2231[20:58:37] <TYKUHN2> I BROKE IT ALL
L2232[20:59:20] <TYKUHN2> It's infinitely printing to screen
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L2234[21:00:14] <TYKUHN2> Oh shit it stopped responding
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L2237[21:02:16] <TYKUHN2> Whatever I did it summoned hulk onto SSHD
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L2240[21:04:34] <S3> Lol
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L2242[21:07:23] <vifino> Lifetimes, oh lifetimes. Thee ruin'd mine own day, once again. Never will it stop, I fear.
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L2246[21:09:40] <vifino> Never!
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L2253[21:12:06] <TheMadmen> Sorry guys.
L2254[21:12:28] <vifino> That's fine, we forgive you for your sins.
L2255[21:12:29] <TheMadmen> Had a Computer set in my world for IRC, full time !
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L2259[21:22:55] <TYKUHN2> One or more pgp signitures could not be verified
L2260[21:22:56] <TYKUHN2> ?
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L2262[21:28:00] <TYKUHN2> Apt is so much better imho
L2263[21:29:46] <TYKUHN2> Hamachi is installed FINALLU
L2264[21:35:50] <TYKUHN2> Aha
L2265[21:35:53] <TYKUHN2> Optimization
L2266[21:36:03] <TYKUHN2> Moved from 2 concurrent SFTP transfers to 10
L2267[21:36:19] <TYKUHN2> Though I suspect 9 of 10 are still trying to find files
L2268[21:37:25] <TYKUHN2> I suspect public key cryptography isn't helpng this
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L2271[21:42:09] <TYKUHN2> Remember that server I was trying to run on my Rpi?
L2272[21:42:25] <TYKUHN2> Well I litterally SFTP copied the files onto a random computer I found lying around
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L2274[21:44:31] <TYKUHN2> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/boboseye/eye-take-your-phone-to-the-next-level?utm_source=YouTube%20video#
L2275[21:44:40] <TYKUHN2> And android iphone case
L2276[21:44:50] <TYKUHN2> An android phone... in an iphone case....
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L2278[21:54:30] <TYKUHN2> SO MANY ERRORS
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L2286[22:00:25] <S3> Wat
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L2301[22:15:42] <TYKUHN2> OPEN COMPUTERS UPDATED?
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L2303[22:17:39] <TYKUHN2> Oo
L2304[22:17:47] <TYKUHN2> I got a reputation from one of the snarkiest answers I can give...
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L2310[22:28:43] <Saphire> Rawr
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L2319[22:45:22] <TYKUHN2> Ariele from Atlantica is here to save us
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L2321[22:49:17] <TYKUHN2> @Z0idburg enjoying voice channel?
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L2324[23:03:21] *** cbcercas|AFK is now known as cbcercas
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L2327[23:22:50] <Izaya> Saphire: get my note?
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L2330[23:35:13] <Saphire> Izaya: hm?
L2331[23:35:16] <Saphire> What note o..o
L2332[23:35:43] <payonel> -o-
L2333[23:35:45] <payonel> pew pew
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L2335[23:42:45] <gamax92> payonel: saved 202 bytes in my eeprom, woooo (i still have very little space though)
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L2338[23:43:39] <gamax92> well I have 488 bytes left atleast.
L2339[23:43:59] <Izaya> Saphire: https://a.pomf.cat/vfzvxv.jpg
L2340[23:45:17] <gamax92> payonel: send help? D:
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