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L11[02:25:13] <scj643> Anyone on
L12[02:26:07] <scj643> How does one reset a
terminal server
L13[02:28:06] <Forecaster> what do you mean
reset?
L14[02:29:59] <scj643> I'm getting an
invalid key
L15[02:30:14] <scj643> How am I supposed to
use this
L16[02:32:56] <scj643> Forecaster: any
ideas
L17[02:37:54] <Forecaster> can you craft it
on it's own to get a new one?
L18[02:38:42] <scj643> I'd have to
disassemble it
L19[02:48:58] <scj643> OK now it just has 0
output even with a working server
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L27[06:21:24] <LuMistry> Greetings
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L37[07:59:45] <MindWorX> If I use
runCommand, does it return the result of the command?
L38[08:00:10] <MindWorX> I guess it does. I
just noticed the documentation shows that it returns a
number.
L40[08:00:54] <S3> anyone thing this is too
complicaterd?
L42[08:01:15] <Forecaster> I think it's way
too complicatered
L43[08:01:20] <Forecaster> needs less
catering
L45[08:02:00] <S3> keep in mind Forecaster
this is config/EXAMPLE
L46[08:14:40] <Izaya> S3: it arrived
L48[08:14:50] <S3> the t420?
L49[08:14:55] <S3> you told me last
night
L50[08:15:03] <Izaya> last night?
L51[08:15:05] <S3> ooh shiny
L53[08:15:09] <Izaya> so I did
L55[08:15:17] <Izaya> was thismorning for
me
L56[08:15:18] <S3> you were dancin
L57[08:15:26] <S3> it's 9 am here
L58[08:15:28] <Izaya> got Windows, Mint and
Arch installed on it now
L60[08:15:42] <S3> but systemd :(
L61[08:15:48] <Izaya> Mint and Arch are
sharing a filesystem
L62[08:16:01] <S3> sounds dangerous
L63[08:16:05] <Izaya> nah
L64[08:16:08] <Izaya> btrfs subvols are
great
L65[08:16:15] <S3> oh yeah
L66[08:16:24] <S3> I haven't played with
btrfs much
L67[08:16:28] <S3> I typically use zfs for
those things
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L69[08:29:13] <S3> I dunno, I don't think
it's that complicated.
L71[08:29:58] <S3> the build system is
working :D
L72[08:30:04] <S3> I ran lua
boot/DEFAULT
L73[08:30:08] <S3> and it had no
errors
L74[08:37:06] *
Lizzy snuggles her vifino
L75[08:42:44] <Michiyo> S3, the joke was
that you said "complicater" Forecaster replied with
"needs less catering"
L76[08:42:46] <Michiyo> :P
L77[08:42:59] <Michiyo> complicaterd*
L78[08:45:40] <S3> guys..
L79[08:45:54] <S3> I dunno how I found
this, but I found this randomly, my old drawing from a couple years
ago:
L81[08:46:29] <S3> it's pretty
L82[08:46:37] <S3> Izaya: you might like
that XD
L83[08:46:43]
<20kdc> it
looks amazing, but I wonder whose blackboard that was
L84[08:46:45] <MindWorX> Looks like the
work of a coder/artist hybrid :P
L85[08:46:52] <MindWorX> Mixing form with
function.
L86[08:47:02]
<20kdc>
would have been a very confusing day for them
L87[08:47:17] <S3> 20kdc mine.
L88[08:47:35] <Forecaster> who puts a power
outlet in the middle of a blackboard
L89[08:47:42] <Izaya> I love the power
point there
L90[08:47:43] <Forecaster> or who puts a
blackboard around a power outlet
L91[08:47:49] <S3> this is outdated
L92[08:47:54] <S3> this is the monolithic
kernel
L93[08:47:58] <S3> while S3IX is now a
microkernel
L94[08:48:09] <S3> now everything is based
on streams
L95[09:07:12] <MindWorX> Is there any way
to get the time a world has been running? My initial idea was to
have a timer system in the spawn chunks, but I'd love something
more precise if possible.
L96[09:07:34] <Forecaster> I think that's
what os.time() gives you
L97[09:09:20] <Forecaster> in seconds
L98[09:10:08] <MindWorX> I somehow missed
that function ... but it's perfect.
L99[09:14:42] <S3> It's coming along!
:D
L102[09:19:37] <S3> as soon as I get the
hw bus stuff worked out
L103[09:19:47] <S3> then the os should
work on both OC and CC
L104[09:20:12] <S3> but I'm not finishing
bus/peripheral.lua anytime soon
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L109[10:15:57] <MindWorX> I have a
creative computer running. Do I need to make any precautions to
make sure it doesn't shut down? It's in the spawn chunks.
L110[10:16:44]
<MGR> I
don't think so
L111[10:16:52] <Ai> even if it were not
the spawn chunks it will save its state and continue where it left
of anyways
L112[10:16:56]
<MGR> Just
make sure your program doesn't have any errors (e.g. not
yielding)
L113[10:17:29] <MindWorX> Alright
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L117[10:49:05] <S3> hey mgr
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L119[10:49:33]
<MGR> hey
S3
L120[10:49:52] <S3> I have kernel code
up!
L121[10:49:56]
<MGR>
nice!
L122[10:49:57] <S3> but it's still under
heavy dev
L123[10:50:15]
<MGR> you
should open a PR to put it in the OC-Programs repo
L125[10:50:54]
<MGR>
Because I'll have time to merge it today
L126[10:50:59]
<MGR> Can't
look it over in detail though
L127[10:51:05]
<MGR> Got so
much stuff going on right now
L128[10:51:07] <S3> is it easy to move
it?
L130[10:51:11] <S3> it lives there
atm
L131[10:52:54]
<MGR>
Yeah
L132[10:53:11]
<MGR> if you
fork the GE/OC-programs repo and make a folder for your OS, then
just move the stuff in there
L133[10:53:18]
<MGR> It
should then give you an option to open a PR
L134[10:54:30]
<Kodos> Does
GitHub Markdown support colors?
L135[10:55:05] <gamax92> don't think
so
L136[10:58:37]
<Kodos> Bah,
alright
L137[11:00:27] <Michiyo> wooot
L138[11:00:45] <Michiyo> got my first
order of Arduino unos and some shields
L139[11:01:24] <Michiyo> Pi 3 starter kit
comes in Feb 13th :D
L140[11:02:12] <gamax92> but then
valentines day
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L142[11:13:13]
<20kdc>
Maybe Michiyo and a Raspberry Pi are visiting each other for
Valentine's.
L143[11:16:27] <Forecaster> #drama
L144[11:19:46] <Inari> jMaybe the
raspberry controls a sextoy~
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L146[11:21:27]
<MGR> time
to find a phone for my friend
L147[11:27:51]
<MGR>
done
L148[11:27:54]
<MGR> that
was easy
L149[11:28:42]
<MGR> now I
need to factory reset a laptop when I go home
L150[11:28:49] <Corded> * MGR starts
checking off his list
L152[11:29:56] <S3> anyone ever played
super paper mario?
L153[11:30:13]
<MGR> I've
heard of it
L155[11:30:46] <S3> there's this part of
the game where you have to be a gerbil in a wheel
L156[11:30:52] <S3> to pay off some
debt
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L159[11:31:07] <S3> now I can do it the
normal way and find a ruby stash or some shit
L160[11:31:09]
<MGR> yo S3,
did you make that PR?
L161[11:31:10] <S3> I dunno
L162[11:31:14] <S3> not yet
L163[11:31:19] <S3> but I decided to just
tape the button down
L164[11:31:23] <S3> on the wiimote
L165[11:31:24]
<MGR> aight,
because I'm on lunch break right now
L166[11:31:32]
<MGR> And I
could merge it right away
L167[11:38:18]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> so the motion sensor block is awesome :)
L168[11:38:43]
<MGR> @Ady
(WriteEscape) in what regard?
L169[11:43:34] <MindWorX> os.time()
returns the number of ticks the game/server has been running.
L170[11:43:45] <MindWorX> So if I wanted
to convert it to seconds, it would just do os.time()/20?
L171[11:44:12]
<MGR>
well
L172[11:44:16]
<MGR> now
that's a bit tricky
L173[11:44:30]
<MGR> If
your server is lagging, there isn't always 20 ticks in a
second
L174[11:44:31] *
Izaya yawns
L175[11:44:44] <S3> there
L176[11:44:45] <S3> pr made
L177[11:44:47] <Izaya> I wonder if my new
laptop can run Minecraft reasonably...
L178[11:44:54]
<MGR> S3,
thanks m8
L179[11:44:55] <Izaya> I'd have to
remember my password first...
L180[11:45:03] <MindWorX> Hmm
L181[11:45:49] <MindWorX> So os.time()
isn't really an option for tracking how long someone has been
playing.
L182[11:46:07] <MindWorX> Well, I guess it
could be argued that it's more precise, since if you have fewer
ticks, you'll be playing longer to do the same work.
L183[11:46:27] <Izaya> It works but gets
less accurate over time
L184[11:46:52]
<MGR> S3,
merged
L185[11:46:57] <S3> I see
L186[11:47:05]
<MGR> thanks
for the pr!
L187[11:47:28] <MindWorX> Izaya,
Yeah
L188[11:47:46] <MindWorX> I think i'll
stick with the ticks count and then just call it score instead of
second.
L189[11:47:49] <S3> there is a vendor
library included with s3ix mgr, but it's MIT licensed so
L190[11:47:56] <S3> shouldn't be a big
deal
L191[11:48:16]
<MGR> S3,
now if you keep your branch open, you should be able to just update
that and it should either re-open the PR or make a new one
L192[11:48:20]
<MGR> if it
doesn't, let me know
L193[11:48:32] <S3> I see
L194[11:48:59] <S3> so when i push to my
Oc-Programs copy on my github, it should automatically send a
pr?
L195[11:49:08]
<MGR> It
SHOULD
L197[11:49:19]
<MGR> Like I
said, if it doesn't, let me know and I'll work it out
L198[11:49:30] <Izaya> I think it's more
that your branch is updated and then MGR can merge when he
wants
L199[11:49:35] <Izaya> repeatedly
L200[11:49:39] <Izaya> ad infinitum
L201[11:50:22]
<MGR> Thank
you Izaya
L202[11:50:40]
<MGR>
\sarcasm now, let's do those infinite merges! /sarcasm
L203[11:51:07] <S3> I wonder if it is safe
to go outside yet
L204[11:51:21] <Izaya> no
L205[11:51:29] <Izaya> there are snakes
and spiders and other hostile life forms
L206[11:51:48]
<MGR> S3,
what is the danger?
L207[11:52:10]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> @MGR the fact that it makes alarm systems easy to
make
L208[11:52:42]
<MGR> @Ady
(WriteEscape) ah ok
L209[11:53:10]
<MGR>
Because I tried to use it for a few other things, and then my 2
years younger brain failed because it didn't know how to Lua
L210[11:53:21]
<MGR> But
also because motion sensors can generate a ton of signals very
fast
L211[11:53:36]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> though, i'm sure my script could be
optimized
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L213[11:54:19]
<MGR> they
all can
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L215[11:54:32]
<MGR> GERTi
got a whopping 66% speed increase during the early development
phase
L216[12:18:49] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
ayy
L218[12:24:09] <MichiBot> Tue Jan 24
07:29:29 CST 2017 @healthire_: Huh. I guess I've been doing it
right all along.
https://t.co/fDyBUdc2Ey
L219[12:24:23] <Forecaster> and here I've
been trying to fix them!
L220[12:26:52] <Mimiru> "If debugging
is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the
process of adding them"
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L225[12:52:14] <Inari> Mimiru: I still say
it should be called demothing
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L230[13:28:07] <payonel> soooo, my
improvements to openos are at a point that i would call 1.6.1
L231[13:28:16] <payonel> aaand i test
memory costs -- utter failure
L232[13:28:31] <payonel> boots on T1 ram
but with only 23k of free ram, and `install` cannot load
L233[13:28:58] <payonel> improving openos
is getting more difficult
L234[13:29:32] <payonel> i think now all
i'm going to do for openos is to reduce memory cost and find ways
to speed up certain operations
L235[13:51:40] <gamax92> openos is too
complicated now
L236[13:51:43] <gamax92> please trim
L237[13:52:00] <gamax92> write a swap
based table implementation
L238[13:53:27] <payonel> i very much would
like to. the solution would be a lot better with string.dump+load
support
L240[14:01:32] <S3> payonel: OR
L241[14:01:37] <S3> work on S3IX
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L247[14:27:07] <Inari> RIP Jupiter
Potato
L248[14:28:40]
<MGR>
payonel, you can also improve OpenOS by including GERTi client
functionality! :p
L249[14:32:11] <payonel> and that's going
to reduce the complexity and memory costs how?
L250[14:33:27] <Inari> payonel:
Swapping
L252[14:33:36] <Forecaster> dammit
L253[14:33:53] <Forecaster> dangit google,
that's not the url you showed me D:<
L255[14:34:05] <Inari> Actaully
L256[14:34:17] <Inari> I'm bored anyway, I
should try and write a simple OC OS that does swapping
L257[14:35:20] <payonel> i'll work on a
swap memory space for 1.6.2, but i need to trim 1.6.1 to support
`install` on low ram
L259[14:40:56] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Can't
override existing commands.
L260[14:41:00] <Michiyo> Erm..
L261[14:41:02] <Michiyo> %magic
L263[14:41:04] <Michiyo> Oh
L264[14:41:07] <Michiyo> lmfao
L265[14:41:09] <Michiyo> same link even
:P
L266[14:41:19] <Temia> pfft
L267[14:42:25] *
Inari pets the Temia :P
L268[14:42:26] <Forecaster> \o/
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<Kodos>
Forgot I had this game :x
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L278[15:06:32] <Kodos> Bleh
L279[15:09:57]
<TYKUHN2> I
love it when games randomly become corrupted
L280[15:09:58] <Forecaster> welcome back
to the irc side :P
L281[15:11:03] <Kodos> Indeed
L282[15:11:06] <Kodos> How goes the voice
work
L283[15:16:44] <Forecaster> I've not
started on it properly since the first tests
L284[15:17:27] <Forecaster> I should have
enough time to record tomorrow, and less to do since I've completed
a bunch of updates today
L285[15:18:04] <Forecaster> huh
L286[15:18:40] <Forecaster> a bot called
Mee6 messaged me on discord saying "Forecaster just advanced
to level 1!"
L287[15:18:45] <Forecaster> oO
L288[15:18:51] <vifino> I have a complete
datacenter in my bathroom.
L289[15:18:52] <Forecaster> it's not in
any of the servers I'm in
L290[15:18:54] <vifino> Fear me.
L291[15:19:44] <vifino> A blade center and
a tape library in the shower, a fibre channel raid array and fibre
channel switch on the toilet.
L292[15:19:48] <vifino> 1v1
L293[15:26:57] <Forecaster> is this the
next level from dropping your phone in the toilet
L294[15:31:28] <vifino> more like the next
level of watching netflix while taking a bath.
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L296[15:32:32] <Forecaster> pretty sure
you don't need a datacenter for that :P
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L298[15:49:10] <MindWorX> Can I control
multiple monitors without a computer on each monitor?
L299[15:49:57] <Kodos> MindWorX, Yes, but
you'll need a GPU for each monitor
L300[15:50:01] <MindWorX> Hm
L301[15:50:11] <Kodos> I recommend using a
server for it
L302[15:51:26] <MindWorX> Good idea
L303[15:51:28] <MindWorX> Can servers talk
to eachother within the same rack without a network card?
L304[15:51:52] <Kodos> Well, yes, but it
would be like cabling two computers together
L305[15:51:57] <MindWorX> Hm
L306[15:52:00] <Kodos> Components such as
screen, keyboard, etc would get crossed
L307[15:52:28] <MindWorX> I'll give it a
try.
L308[16:02:15] <MindWorX> Is there
anything more light-weight than OpenOS for servers? I basically
just need to run a lua script on startup which will run
forever.
L309[16:02:50] <MindWorX> I guess OpenOS
has a lot of the component features I'm used to
L310[16:03:21] <Temia> You could probably
pare it down quite a bit if it's just running a single script
L311[16:04:59] <MindWorX> Hm
L312[16:05:05] <MindWorX> I guess it
doesn't matter really
L313[16:05:18] <MindWorX> All I'd save is
diskspace right?
L314[16:06:25] <vifino> and a little ram,
likely.
L315[16:07:13] <MindWorX> Ah, I guess it's
not really worth it then. It's a creative computer running some map
logic.
L316[16:09:09] <Kodos> MindWorX, it really
depends on what the script needs to do
L317[16:09:21] <Kodos> If you're doing
stuff through the debug card, a microcontroller may work
L318[16:09:29] <Kodos> I'm not sure of its
Tier though
L319[16:09:48] <MindWorX> I haven't played
with microcontrollers before
L320[16:10:13] <S3> check this out
L322[16:10:31] <S3> main.lua may be the
shortest file in my entire kernel..
L323[16:10:35] <MindWorX> I basically need
to detect a redstone signal which starts a timer and then another
redstone signal which stopes it.
L324[16:11:00] <MindWorX> The timer should
then be shown on four monitors.
L325[16:11:06] <MindWorX> Very very basic
stuff
L326[16:11:53] <S3> serviced is a service
service that automatically brings up the stream service and
init
L327[16:12:36] <Temia> You could probably
just run that code off an EEPROM
L328[16:12:38] <S3> init takes care of
loading the vfs and everything, then fire off to /sbin/init.. which
can be a lua script or a shell script or ahwtever. That happens
after root is mounted.
L329[16:13:25] <S3> yeah that sounds like
a short segment of code there
L330[16:13:44] <MindWorX> How do I program
an eeprom?
L331[16:14:28] <Temia> By using
eeprom.set()
L332[16:14:54] <S3> or using flash
L333[16:15:43] <MindWorX>
Interesting
L334[16:15:45] <Temia> Or that I
guess.
L335[16:16:15] <MindWorX> Do I lose any
functionality by using the EEPROM?
L336[16:22:51] <Kodos> If you need the
script to access a screen, Microcontrollers won't work, as they
cannot access external components
L337[16:23:04] <Kodos> However that sounds
pretty basic and a T1 Server should handle that just fine
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L340[16:28:51] <Temia> You lose access
OpenOS APIs but that's it.
L341[16:30:47] <payonel> MindWorX: a gpu
can `bind` to a screen
L342[16:30:50] <payonel> and you can
rebind
L343[16:31:00] <payonel> so, technically,
you could bind+draw, bind+draw, bind+draw, etc
L344[16:31:09] <payonel> and rebinding
doesn't blank out of the previous screen
L345[16:31:12] <MindWorX> Rebinding messes
up the resolution though, so that's not a viable option
L346[16:31:37] <payonel> it does? huh,
didn't know that
L347[16:31:49] <payonel> i've not had that
problem
L348[16:31:56] <payonel> though, i've not
done a lot of rebinding
L349[16:32:16] <MindWorX> Yeah, it's no
something you really do :P
L350[16:32:18] <payonel> just enough to
make sure openos supports multiple screens, gpus, and
keyboards
L351[16:33:23] <MindWorX> Are left and
right swapped on servers? Or is my orientation wrong? :P
L352[16:33:40] <payonel> left is relative
to the front face of the computer case, not you
L353[16:33:45] <MindWorX> Ah
L354[16:33:58] <MindWorX> I guess that
makes sense
L355[16:34:10] <MindWorX> Since back is
relative to the case as well
L356[16:34:40] <payonel> so what happens
to the resolution when you rebind?
L357[16:35:16] <MindWorX> It resets. I
remember writing large text and rebinding in a previous experiment
and the text would go back to regular size.
L358[16:36:34] <payonel> was the
resolution whilst bound to screen B different than the target
resolution on screen A ?
L359[16:37:17] <MindWorX> No, it was two
screens with the same resolution.
L360[16:37:19] <MindWorX> But
actually
L361[16:37:27] <MindWorX> It did write to
the local monitor as well
L362[16:37:33] <MindWorX> So maybe that's
the issue
L363[16:38:04] <payonel> well, if you find
a bug, feel free to ping me or make a github issue
L364[16:38:20] <MindWorX> Yeah, I wasn't
sure if it was a bug at the time
L365[16:38:29] <MindWorX> Since it might
be expected behavior when rebinding. :)
L366[16:40:47] <MindWorX> I guess that's
one of the disadvantages of emulating computers so well. :P In the
real world, swapping monitors would also mess with resolutions, so
it's entirely possible that it is intended in OC.
L367[16:41:31] <payonel> i haven't read
the scala side of the rebinding, but it surprises me to be
honest
L368[16:41:45] <payonel> on the openos
side, i'm definitely not
L370[16:45:10] <S3> payonel: MY KERNEL IS
WOPRK+WEJSKJDSKMNBNINGING!
L371[16:45:12] <S3> working*
L372[16:45:17] <S3> Sorry Iw as
excited.
L373[16:45:19] <payonel> haha, nice
L374[16:45:25] <payonel> oh i know the
feeling!
L375[16:45:29] <payonel> i'm excited for
you :)
L376[16:45:48] <S3> it was a pain because
my builder takes a bunch of core kernel files and slams them into a
big lua blob
L377[16:45:51] <payonel> the memory wall
has become so daunting, i might make my own separate os soon
L378[16:46:02] <S3> so you get an error
and it's like, oh it's on like 200 something in this giant blob of
mess
L379[16:46:09] <S3> if it's a core
error
L380[16:46:15] <payonel> right, yeah
L381[16:46:45] <S3> memory wall?
L382[16:46:54] <S3> there's tons of memory
in OC though!
L383[16:48:16] <S3> payonel: now I have to
plan out a port of udev
L384[16:48:32] <S3> so that when you plug
in a redstone io block, it loads up the driver for it
L385[16:48:34] <payonel> tier 1 ram
L386[16:48:36] <S3> which, creates the
/sys files.
L387[16:48:37] <payonel> 192k of
memory
L388[16:48:42] <S3> 192k is a lot
though
L389[16:48:45] <payonel> i have to get to
shell with ~30k free
L390[16:49:04] <payonel> >.< openos
1.5 (when i started) boots allocating 205k
L391[16:49:05] <S3> I grew up with
64K
L392[16:49:09] <S3> in my home
computer
L393[16:49:25] <payonel> this is a very
different problem
L394[16:49:30] <payonel> i dont have c or
c++ to control the memory
L395[16:49:58] <payonel> S3: again, openos
1.5 allocated 205k just to bot
L396[16:50:04] <S3> doing what?
L397[16:50:06] <payonel> i got openos 1.6
down to 162k
L398[16:50:10] <payonel> boot*
L399[16:50:19] <S3> are you sure you're
just not deallocating stuff?
L400[16:50:33] <payonel> i have 1.6.1
"ready", but it is taking 167k, which isn't enough wiggle
room to run `install`
L401[16:50:38] <S3> I found out the other
day, if I do a = function(t) end
L402[16:50:45] <S3> and then do b =
a
L403[16:50:47] <S3> and then a = nil
L404[16:50:50] <S3> the gc won't pick it
up
L405[16:50:54] <S3> and itl just sit there
in memory
L406[16:51:01] <S3> as a copy
L407[16:51:07] <payonel> i'm well aware,
and have read many papers on lua optimizations
L408[16:51:09] <S3> itl clean up a
L410[16:51:17] <payonel> it's not really a
copy, but a ref count in that case
L411[16:51:28] <S3> right
L412[16:51:31] <payonel> i cut out ~60k of
cost in openos 1.6
L413[16:51:34] <MindWorX> Can I get the
address of a monitor in any way?
L414[16:51:36] <S3> but the fact that you
can still call b() is expected and very scary
L415[16:51:47] <S3> MindWorX: any
component has .address
L416[16:51:59] <S3>
print(mymonitorcomponentthing.address)
L417[16:52:23] <payonel> S3: consider that
openos 1.6 has many more features than 1.5, but takes less memory
to boot
L418[16:52:24] <MindWorX> Well, without
booting up anything. So I can note down which monitor is
which.
L419[16:52:37] <payonel> it was a big
deal, one of the huge things about openos 1.6 work was that T1 ram
worked again
L420[16:52:51] <S3> S3IX will likely be a
memory hog
L421[16:53:11] <S3> especially with
unmanaged hard drives, because it will cache sectors in ram for
performance.
L422[16:53:22] <S3> (tweakable)
L423[16:53:29] <MindWorX> I recall having
to connect cables by right-clicking them, which would show the
address, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
L424[16:53:52] <payonel> MindWorX: the
analyzer can tell you the metadata of components by right
crouch+rmb them
L425[16:53:57] <payonel> -right
L426[16:54:05] <Kodos> MindWorX, you're
thinking of ComputerCraft Modems, I believe
L427[16:54:13] <Kodos> That's an entirely
different mod
L428[16:54:30] <MindWorX> That might be,
it was a long time ago
L429[16:54:49] <payonel> S3: anyways, i've
done quite a lot of profiling of the boot process. measure cost of
every type of call, library loading, caching costs, function and
table creation costs
L430[16:54:52] <MindWorX> Analyzer is all
I need, thanks. <3
L431[16:54:59] <payonel> trimming,
delaying, cleaning
L432[16:55:22] <S3> basically, with
unmanaged disks, every time you write to a file, a microkernel
service that holds all cached sectors will collect one to cache and
then release them when sync happens.
L433[16:55:35] <S3> instead of writing
instantly to disk
L434[16:56:14] <S3> is there an easy way
to tell how much memory my lua process is taking?
L435[16:56:31] <S3> well actually it exits
as soon as it starts atm
L436[16:56:40] <S3> there's no loop yet
since there's no stream service running
L437[16:56:48] <payonel> no, you have to
gc before the call, check free mem, call it and check free mem in
the call to measure the cost
L438[16:56:51] <S3> or process
service
L440[16:57:13] <S3> maybe I should create
a profiling service?!
L442[16:57:18] <S3> that reports memory
usage
L443[16:57:43] <S3> my kernel image is
currently 8K
L445[16:58:05] <S3> it's 12K now lol
L446[16:58:47] <S3> that 12K includes the
kernel, but also the config file, and the initrd.
L447[16:58:53] <S3> and the initrd takes
up the most
L448[16:59:29] <payonel> mtg, bbl,
o/
L449[16:59:29] <S3> also, if you know of a
really tiny pure lua minifier... :D
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L451[17:01:28] <Kodos> Are you looking for
a Minifier that minifies Lua code, or a minifier written IN
lua
L452[17:02:35] ***
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L453[17:04:18]
<MGR>
payonel, GERTi will do magic
L454[17:04:23]
<MGR> and
that will decrease memory costs
L455[17:04:34]
<MGR> if
decrease memory costs == increase memory costs when
configured
L456[17:04:42]
<MGR> In
real life news
L457[17:05:06]
<MGR>
Someone said, "hey, I've had this laptop for 3 years, and I
want to give it to my father. It's in good condition, can you make
sure it's good to go?"
L458[17:05:11]
<MGR> I'm
like "sure"
L459[17:05:27]
<MGR> They
gave me a laptop with a Core 2 Duo and a Radeon Mobility 3850
L460[17:05:40]
<MGR> It
also wouldn't boot on the first go-around
L461[17:05:59]
<MGR> Also
they gave me 3 power cords, 2 of which have like 0 insulation on
the wires
L462[17:06:08]
<MGR> I feel
so lied to
L463[17:07:17] <Kodos> You should keep it,
and tell them it's for their own good
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L465[17:10:55]
<MGR> Kodos,
it may end up that way
L466[17:11:02]
<MGR>
There's no boot sector on the hard drive
L467[17:11:17]
<MGR> I'm
going to poke around a little bit, but this may be a lost
cause
L468[17:11:40] <CompanionCube> MGR: do you
even testdisk
L469[17:12:06] *
Kodos pokes S3
L470[17:12:56]
<MGR>
CompanionCube, what is testdisk
L471[17:13:18]
<MGR> and
dinner is nearly done cooking, so I may go afk abruptly
L472[17:14:09] <MindWorX> How is it I get
the full address using a partial address?
L473[17:14:36] <MindWorX>
component.get!
L474[17:15:35] <CompanionCube> 'TestDisk
is a free and open-source data recovery utility. It is primarily
designed to help recover lost data storage partitions and/or make
non-booting disks bootable again '
L475[17:15:47] <CompanionCube> it should
at least help you know what you're dealing with
L476[17:18:23] <Kodos> Welp, looks like
I'll be afk for 3 days
L477[17:23:16] <vifino> see ya,
Kodos.
L478[17:23:23] <Kodos> Aye
L479[17:23:28] <Kodos> Wife bought Sims 4,
it just got done downloading
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L481[17:33:09]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> how can i make a script that allows the syntax
l.randomfunction(1,2,3,4) for example?
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L486[17:55:54] <MindWorX> Is there any way
to get more cards into a machine?
L487[17:56:04] <MindWorX> I mean
L488[17:56:07] <MindWorX> More than the
limit :P
L489[17:56:27] <MindWorX> I'd like 5 cards
in my creative server, but it only allows 4.
L490[17:57:29]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> use a server :)
L491[17:57:56] <MindWorX> But that's what
I'm doing :P
L492[17:58:08]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> hummm
L493[17:59:05]
<TYKUHN2>
What do you need so many cards for?
L494[18:00:48] <MindWorX> I wanted to add
a network card to the server I have which controls four
monitors.
L495[18:01:55]
<TYKUHN2>
Monitors don't require four card slots?
L496[18:02:21] <MindWorX> They do if you
want to control four monitors.
L497[18:02:30]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> ... no they dont
L498[18:02:53] <MindWorX> How'd you do it?
And don't tell me to rebind the gpu :P
L499[18:02:58]
<Kodos> What
about two servers running two monitors each and a master control
server on a third
L500[18:03:10] <MindWorX> Kodos, Yeah, I
think I'll do that.
L501[18:03:23]
<TYKUHN2>
Are multiple GPUs even possible?
L502[18:03:29] <MindWorX> Yes
L503[18:03:32]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> yeah you can use a proxy
L504[18:04:07]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 yeah
L505[18:04:09] <MindWorX> Wait a second,
my APU has a GPU. So that's APU + 3 GPUS + 1 Network Card
L506[18:04:12]
<TYKUHN2> I
suppose Component just goes "Yep this GPU is arbitrarily
primary"
L507[18:04:13]
<MGR> you
can't just do component.gpu though
L508[18:04:20]
<MGR> that's
pretty much what it does
L509[18:04:21]
<MGR>
also
L510[18:04:26]
<TYKUHN2>
Yeah APU is a GPU
L511[18:04:34] <MindWorX> TYKUHN2, What's
more funny is, it picks it at random each boot :P
L512[18:04:37]
<MGR> I will
be ordering the parts for my new computer now!
L514[18:05:38]
<TYKUHN2>
Can I have some of that?
L515[18:05:43]
<TYKUHN2> I
have a Duo Core
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L517[18:07:39]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 sure m8
L518[18:07:42]
<MGR> just
give me your money
L519[18:07:53]
<TYKUHN2>
What money?
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L521[18:09:11]
<MGR> sell
your kidney
L522[18:09:26]
<MGR> So
this is a question I want to throw out there
L523[18:09:38]
<MGR> Your
liver can regenerate after having part removed
L524[18:09:50]
<MGR> So why
not just keep selling your liver?
L525[18:11:00]
<TYKUHN2>
How does one create a GPU viewport?
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L527[18:12:15]
<Kodos>
Wiki
L528[18:12:20]
<Kodos>
Err
L529[18:12:33]
<Kodos>
Fucking phone I am done
L530[18:13:35]
<TYKUHN2>
Can't find any reference
L531[18:15:37]
<MGR>
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
L532[18:15:50]
<MGR> The
monitor I want just went up $70USD in price from yesterday
L533[18:15:56]
<MGR> GOD
DAMN IT LIFE
L534[18:15:56]
<MGR>
WHY
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L536[18:17:10]
<MGR>
ok
L537[18:17:30]
<MGR> I got
it for $619 + tax for a slightly cosmeticly damaged one on
Amazon
L538[18:21:32]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> gah
L539[18:24:36]
<MGR> I'm
not buying the 1080 yet
L540[18:24:43]
<MGR> going
to use my friend's AMD 370
L541[18:24:52]
<MGR>
Because I want to see what Vega or the 1080Ti brings to the
table
L542[18:25:25]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> is the syntax for a bollean in an if statement
just if value then ?
L543[18:26:14]
<MGR> should
be
L544[18:27:10]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> trying to get my script to behave properly before
i do my video on it, lol
L545[18:28:00]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> could you read over it for me, and make sure i've
not done anything stupid?
L546[18:29:28]
<MGR> I can
read it over
L547[18:29:45]
<MGR> I've
done lots of stupid stuff too, so don't take me as the authority
?
L549[18:30:02]
<MGR> My new
mouse comes tomorrow
L550[18:30:03]
<MGR>
Baller
L551[18:31:09]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> oh and i found out that the redstone io blocks
HATE enderio redstone conduits
L552[18:31:59]
<TYKUHN2>
Ady I can read it over when chrome remembers how to operate
L553[18:33:32]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> i know that there is most likely a easier way of
detecting multiple motion sensors then the way i did it
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L555[18:36:34] <GuntherDW> Guest83709,
(Magik6k not identified that is :P) your site seems to have issues
with v6. Your vhosts seem to work just fine over v4, but over v6 it
attempts to redirect to your "main" HTTPS site, which
will then 404 out for the stuff attempting to use your vhosts
L556[18:36:46] <GuntherDW> for example
your youtube converter
L557[18:37:17] <GuntherDW> I thought it
was an issue on my part, and actually made a converter myself,
until I noticed that over v4 everything was fine
L558[18:40:19]
<MGR> @Ady
(WriteEscape) looks ok
L559[18:41:09]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> yeah i just have to jump on my elevator and it
goes up/down
L560[18:41:54]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> is there a way of hiding it using chisel and bits
and it still working?
L561[18:46:51]
<MGR> We
automatically record the IP address for all new orders placed on
the website. We take any unauthorized use of credit cards
seriously. All fraudulent activities will be reported to the
appropriate state and federal agencies. (Seriously, we've busted
people.)
L562[18:47:03]
<MGR> Kudos
to SuperBiiz
L563[18:47:21]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> ... that's a legal requirement for ANY ecommerce
website
L564[18:47:28]
<MGR> lol, I
know
L565[18:47:40] <Corded> * MGR pulls out
handful of credit cards from pocket
L566[18:47:48]
<MGR> I
guess I should use the one that's mine \o/
L567[18:47:55]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> lol
L568[18:48:01] <S3> kodos: It has to be a
lua minifier written in lua, but small, something I can easily use
in my repository for the build system
L569[18:48:15] <S3> also, I'm curious if I
can use less memory than payonel...
L571[18:48:26] <S3> since I'm writing a
microkernel, I can actually unload the kernel after it boots
L572[18:48:32] <S3> since the kernel is
only needed for boot
L573[18:48:34]
<MGR> CRAP
NO
L574[18:48:37]
<MGR> NO NO
NO NO NONONONONO
L576[18:48:45]
<MGR> SUPER
BIIZ
L577[18:48:46]
<MGR>
WHYYYYYy
L578[18:48:52]
<MGR> YOU
ADDED A PART TO MY ORDER!
L580[18:49:08] <S3> Kodos: also did you
get my message yesterday
L581[18:49:09]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> was it a power cable?
L582[18:49:22] <S3> maybe it was a cable
car
L583[18:49:24]
<MGR> GOD
DAMN YOU
L584[18:49:32]
<MGR> It was
an i5-6400
L585[18:49:41] <S3> no i7?
L586[18:49:44]
<MGR> for
$176
L587[18:49:47] <S3> and why not
6400K
L588[18:49:56]
<MGR> S3, I
also ordered an i7-6850K
L589[18:50:00] <S3> what you need is an i7
6990K
L590[18:50:07] <S3> I have a 4770K
L591[18:50:10] <S3> i7 :)
L592[18:50:11]
<MGR> I did
not want a 6400, I do not know how I got a 6400, but it's
there
L593[18:50:17]
<MGR> 6990K
doesn't exist
L594[18:50:35]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> has anyone got a linegraph libary that they use
in lua?
L595[18:50:57]
<MGR>
cancelled that order
L596[18:51:01]
<MGR> crisis
averted
L597[18:51:10] <S3> mgr yeah cancel that
shit
L599[18:51:16] <S3> nobody wants a
400
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L601[18:51:33]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> maybe if they had a time machine and sent it back
to the 90s
L602[18:51:36] <S3> 400 is consumer
level
L604[18:52:42] <Corded> * MGR examines
order
L605[18:52:43]
<MGR>
OK
L606[18:52:49]
<MGR> Now
it's just my Rampage V Edition 10
L607[18:53:24]
<MGR> S3, my
friend has a 6400 in his computer
L608[18:53:31] <S3> UPGRADE
L609[18:53:32]
<MGR> I
asked him what he wanted to do with it
L610[18:53:41] <S3> upgrade to i7
1000.
L611[18:53:49]
<MGR> When i
built his computer, I said "What are you going to do with
this?
L612[18:53:56]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> my new computer came with 8gb of ram, even though
i ordered 64gb, i emailed them and they said "we thought you
wouldn't notice"
L613[18:53:59] <S3> he said I'm going to
play MUDs?
L614[18:54:10]
<MGR> He
said, "maybe play TF2 every now and then. I don't use my
computer that much"
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L616[18:54:17]
<MGR> so I
bought him a 6400 to save him money
L617[18:54:32] <S3> I got a GTX 770 to
play text adventure games without X
L618[18:54:33]
<MGR> And
then he immediately started playing tons of games
L619[18:54:43] <S3> it plays them
well
L620[18:54:45]
<MGR> and
has now spent thousands of USD on upgrading his parts
L621[18:55:05] <S3> thousands seems
unreasonable
L622[18:55:20] <S3> my desktop played
anything, ANYTHING on ultimate and still pretty much does
L623[18:55:24] <S3> and was $1,500
L624[18:55:33]
<MGR> S3,
he's getting a 7700K now
L625[18:55:40] <S3> heheh
L626[18:55:46] <S3> why K?
L627[18:55:54] <S3> what the hell is he
going to do with a LK
L629[18:56:17]
<MGR> He's
upgraded his CPU, Mobo, RAM, GPU, CPU cooler, thermal paste, got a
sound card, got a M.2 SSD, and I think that's it
L630[18:56:23]
<MGR> S3,
I'm going to overclock it for him
L631[18:56:32] <S3> upgraded thermal
paste.. wut
L632[18:56:47] <S3> don't set voltage to 0
volts.
L633[18:56:52] <S3> it's a bad idea
L634[18:57:32]
<MGR> S3,
the stock thermal paste borked out when I moved his CPU to a new
mobo
L635[18:57:44]
<MGR> So he
told me to buy him the best thermal paste money could buy
L636[18:57:50]
<TYKUHN2> 0V
overvoltage awww yeah
L637[18:58:00]
<MGR> I told
him I wasn't buying him liquid metal paste because that crap's
tricky
L638[18:58:06]
<TYKUHN2>
Currently running my GPU on 0V
L639[18:58:12]
<MGR> Then I
got him Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut for $10USD
L640[19:00:06]
<MGR> S3, I
promise I won't set the voltage to 0
L641[19:03:09]
<TYKUHN2>
Hold on. I'm overclocking my PSU to 0V now. I need the extra
performance.
L642[19:03:50]
<MGR> hells
yah
L643[19:04:08]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 what are you running? 80Plus Plutonium, or 80 Plus
Unobtanium?
L644[19:06:56]
<TYKUHN2> i8
U
L645[19:07:11]
<TYKUHN2>
Infinitium 8 Unobtanium Platnium edition
L646[19:07:24] <S3> You knows know I was
kidding right?
L648[19:07:35] <S3> (I sure hope so)
L649[19:07:50]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 dude, I got the Infinitium 9 Unobtanium Super Platinum
Edition
L650[19:07:53]
<MGR> Get on
my level
L651[19:07:59]
<MGR> S3, of
course I know you were kidding!
L652[19:08:06]
<MGR> If I
didn't, I shouldn't be building PC's ?
L653[19:08:16]
<TYKUHN2>
Can you even undervolt to 0?
L654[19:08:26]
<MGR> You
can probably try
L655[19:08:34]
<MGR> And
then you would end up trying to reset your CMOS
L656[19:08:56]
<TYKUHN2>
I'm tempted to undervolt anyways as my GPU runs below required
power.
L657[19:08:58]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> does anyone here use openglasses?
L658[19:09:11]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 what's your GPU?
L659[19:09:16] ***
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L660[19:09:57]
<TYKUHN2> If
I ever do get a working sufficient PSU I plan to overvolt. At max
stress it performs well below the maximum rated tempature
L661[19:10:10]
<TYKUHN2>
Nvidia GT 730
L662[19:11:26]
<TYKUHN2>
For the past two or three days I have been trying to offload a huge
file inorder to requistition the disk space I need to compress a
SHIT TON of videos
L663[19:11:45]
<TYKUHN2>
The file is a 30GB disk backup
L664[19:11:58]
<MGR>
@tyuk
L665[19:12:02]
<MGR>
huh
L666[19:12:15]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 here's the problem
L667[19:12:23]
<MGR> I
believe the GT 730 has DDR3
L668[19:12:36]
<TYKUHN2> I
have the DDR5 Model of the 730
L669[19:12:45]
<MGR>
GDDR5?
L670[19:12:51]
<MGR>
Because DDR5 doesn't exist yet
L671[19:12:54]
<TYKUHN2>
I'll double check
L672[19:13:07]
<MGR> It
should be either DDR3 or GDDR5
L673[19:13:17]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> DDR4
L674[19:13:32]
<TYKUHN2>
GDDR5
L675[19:13:33]
<MGR> @Ady
(WriteEscape) I haven't seen any GPUs with DDR4 yet
L676[19:13:36]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 ok good
L677[19:13:42]
<MGR> also,
you can't OV Nvidia GPUs
L678[19:13:51]
<TYKUHN2>
You sure?
L679[19:15:05]
<TYKUHN2> My
GPU is nothing significant but it gets the job done
L680[19:15:16]
<MGR> there
may be a "voltage" slider
L681[19:15:23]
<MGR> but it
just unlocks another boost bin
L682[19:15:28]
<MGR> you're
not really overvolting
L683[19:18:34]
<TYKUHN2>
"0V typically represents voltage low, referred to as
VSS"
L684[19:18:49]
<TYKUHN2>
Hmm
L685[19:18:57]
<MGR> and my
credit card company cancelled one of the transactions because of
fraud protection
L686[19:20:30]
<TYKUHN2>
YOU SAW NOTHING
L687[19:21:12]
<MGR>
@TYKUHN2 so that's why it was for 4 Titan X Pascals!
L688[19:21:38]
<TYKUHN2> I
confused Vss with Vcc for a second
L689[19:21:54]
<MGR> did
you delete a discord message?
L690[19:22:06]
<MGR>
because those don't go away on IRC
L691[19:26:41]
<MGR>
alright
L692[19:26:45]
<MGR> time
to test disk it up
L693[19:27:25]
<MGR> gotta
find my external enclosure
L695[19:31:30] <MindWorX> Now I just need
to add start/stop.
L696[19:32:10]
<TYKUHN2>
Fun fact: I have power cycled my computer without turning it
off.
L697[19:32:22]
<MGR>
eh
L698[19:32:23] <MindWorX> It would be
awesome if there was a way to send a global wifi message using
commands. I'm currently relying on placing redstone blocks.
L699[19:32:34]
<MGR> I'll
do this tomorrow/thursday/friday/someday
L700[19:32:53]
<MGR>
goodnight!
L701[19:38:36] <Izaya> glorious, my laptop
supports 5Ghz wifi
L702[19:38:42] <Izaya> if only any of my
other sstuff did
L703[19:40:31]
<TYKUHN2>
upgradeTo5GZ()
L704[19:41:10] <Izaya> I can't get an
affordable 5Ghz ADSL2+ router
L705[19:43:07]
<TYKUHN2>
Where's my 10^9 GHz router?
L706[19:43:24]
<TYKUHN2>
Can't believe I had to whip out my calculator to make that
joke
L707[19:45:45]
<TYKUHN2> My
Deluxe "Gamma" Wireless DE Router has absolutely no range
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L708[19:50:53] <Izaya> I may or may not be
flooding the 2.5Ghz spectrum with the same network on different
bands
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L710[19:56:33] <S3> TYKUHN2 you do not
want a 10^9 Ghz router
L711[19:58:15] <S3> a wavelength that
short has so much energy to propagate the distance you need it to,
that it would ionize everything and pretty much do some pretty
serious damage..
L712[19:58:50] <S3> everything would
probably incinerate
L714[20:01:40] <S3> Izaya: honestly I
prefer 2.4Ghz
L715[20:02:02] <S3> When I have a choice I
usually go for 2.4
L716[20:03:53] <S3> The reason is simple;
lower frequencies tend to propagate farther distances, and I find
that more important than speed when most of the stuff I do on wifi
is talk through a gateway that's slower than the network anyways.
However, there are times when 5Ghz wifi is really useful besides
bandwidth, and that's the fact that it will pierce through thick
plaster
L717[20:03:53] <S3> walls and other
barriers much easier.
L718[20:04:46] <S3> if you need your wifi
to pierce through 3 floors to the basement, 5Ghz can be pretty
handy sometimes.
L719[20:05:09] <S3> but if I'm mounting an
antenna on my roof and sitting outdoors, I'd always use 2.4.
L720[20:06:13]
<TYKUHN2> S3
10^9 is just 10Ghz below Gamma Radiation. That was actually a
computation error I intended to reach Gamma
L721[20:06:36] <S3> like I said
L722[20:06:37] <S3> it's ionized
L723[20:06:45] <S3> at least with any
reasonable power
L724[20:07:17] <S3> the higher the
frequency the more directional the signal needs to be to use the
same ammount of power to reach the same distance
L725[20:07:45] <S3> imagine an
omnidirectional signal (though note there's no such thing as a
truly omnidirectional antenna, it doesn't happen)
L726[20:09:37] <S3> it takes energy to
oscilate those waveforms, so you can just imagine
L727[20:09:53] <S3> and those waveforms
themselves are energy
L728[20:10:22] <Izaya> S3: thing is that
the school network is 5Ghz only
L729[20:10:28] <Izaya> hence why I need
5Ghz
L730[20:10:37] <S3> Izaya:
interesting
L731[20:10:43] <S3> most routers are dual
band
L732[20:10:48] <Izaya> Oh
L733[20:10:50] <S3> and most people tend
to leave them that way
L734[20:11:00] <Izaya> it supports
2.5Ghz
L735[20:11:10]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> yup, but why are they more often 5 ghz
thesedays?
L736[20:11:21] <S3> yes because you're not
in the US
L737[20:11:25] <S3> I would imagine
L738[20:11:33] <Izaya> but the high-up
admins do 5Ghz only so there's less network connection
L739[20:11:42] <Izaya> because less phones
and laptops support 5Ghz
L740[20:11:49] <Izaya>
s/connection/congestion
L741[20:11:49] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
but the high-up admins do 5Ghz only so there's less network
congestion
L742[20:11:57] <S3> there is no 2.5 Ghz
section in the US for wifi
L743[20:12:27]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> whats the standard in the usa?
L744[20:15:48] <S3> I think we have all
the way to channel 11, which is 2.462 Ghz
L745[20:16:22] <S3> an interesting
note
L746[20:16:45] <S3> US amateur radio
license holders actually have part of that band
L747[20:16:59] <S3> which happens to fall
in the 802.11g area
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L749[20:17:39] <S3> meaning that a
licensed amateur can connect their router to an amplifier and use
up to 1.5 kilowatts of power (NOT RECOMMENDED)
L750[20:17:49] <S3> legal though
L751[20:18:03] <S3> obviously within good
practice
L752[20:18:24] <S3> a wireless router is
usually pretty low power
L753[20:18:34] <S3> between 20 and 70
miliwatts.
L754[20:18:58] <S3> you can change that
though with some routers + custom firmware
L755[20:19:38] <S3> howver this also
fluctuates with the band as well
L756[20:19:47] <S3> the more bandwidth,
the more energy you use
L757[20:19:53] <S3> it takes more energy
to have more bandwidth
L758[20:20:22] <S3> if you've ever looked
at a cell phone tower and thought omg look at those many power
cables that are thicker than my arm, it must be transmitting so
much energy
L759[20:20:33] <S3> and in truth it is,
but it's not actually transmitting a high ammount of power
L760[20:20:42] <S3> all of that energy is
going into giving you your damn 4G speds XD
L761[20:20:51] <S3> by having a super wide
bandwidth
L762[20:22:18] <S3> in reality those
towers can get away with transmitting 5 watts of forward power but
they're consuming almost megawatts.
L763[20:23:11] <S3> your FM radio stations
that you listen to music on are a great example, they're a massive
waste of energy.
L764[20:23:40] <S3> just so they can have
their almost 100Khz wide bandwidth crap
L765[20:24:11] <S3> one to reduce noise
but 2 to make it easier for you to find the station on a dial
L766[20:24:52] <S3> the radio in my car
steps at 5Khz, so I have to rotate it over and over and over to
completely get through one station XD
L767[20:26:38]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> is that why you dont have to be percise when you
tune into a radio station?
L769[20:29:54]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> well, before digital radio
L770[20:31:04] <S3> right
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<Ady
(WriteEscape)> so, why did they get rid of terrestieal tv?
L773[20:38:33]
<TYKUHN2>
NOT RECOMMENDED = You should probably do it.
L774[20:41:27]
<TYKUHN2> I
have a question
L775[20:41:36]
<TYKUHN2> I
bet you I know the answer but just checking
L776[20:41:56]
<TYKUHN2> Do
motherboards have a maximum wattage support?
L777[20:44:09]
<Ady
(WriteEscape)> yeah, i presume so, otherwise they would arch and
short circuir eventually
L778[20:44:23]
<TYKUHN2>
That range would be outside of 150W above stock no?
L779[20:45:05]
<TYKUHN2>
Also
L780[20:45:13]
<TYKUHN2> My
laptop can't power on if the power LED is disconnected...
L781[20:45:20]
<TYKUHN2>
Uhm
L782[20:46:14]
<TYKUHN2>
Also I am actively connecting the keyboard's serial cable after
booting into Windows 10. NOT RECOMMENDED unless you wanna be
awesomely bad at connecting it the first time
L783[20:47:13]
<TYKUHN2>
Although the touchpad isn't responsive
L784[20:47:55] <S3> digital radio is still
Ady: Because it freed bandwidth for use by digital channels and
also other bands.
L785[20:48:39]
<TYKUHN2>
Efficient use of bands!
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<TYKUHN2>
Does it matter that only 3 of my ribbon cable connectors is
actually straight?
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<TYKUHN2>
Potentially
L792[22:08:37]
<TYKUHN2>
I'll see if I can swap it out with another
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