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L11[02:25:13] <scj643> Anyone on
L12[02:26:07] <scj643> How does one reset a terminal server
L13[02:28:06] <Forecaster> what do you mean reset?
L14[02:29:59] <scj643> I'm getting an invalid key
L15[02:30:14] <scj643> How am I supposed to use this
L16[02:32:56] <scj643> Forecaster: any ideas
L17[02:37:54] <Forecaster> can you craft it on it's own to get a new one?
L18[02:38:42] <scj643> I'd have to disassemble it
L19[02:48:58] <scj643> OK now it just has 0 output even with a working server
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L27[06:21:24] <LuMistry> Greetings
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L37[07:59:45] <MindWorX> If I use runCommand, does it return the result of the command?
L38[08:00:10] <MindWorX> I guess it does. I just noticed the documentation shows that it returns a number.
L39[08:00:44] <S3> so
L40[08:00:54] <S3> anyone thing this is too complicaterd?
L41[08:01:06] <S3> https://hastebin.com/pidixofizo.lua
L42[08:01:15] <Forecaster> I think it's way too complicatered
L43[08:01:20] <Forecaster> needs less catering
L44[08:01:45] <S3> ?
L45[08:02:00] <S3> keep in mind Forecaster this is config/EXAMPLE
L46[08:14:40] <Izaya> S3: it arrived
L47[08:14:50] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/gydndl.jpg
L48[08:14:50] <S3> the t420?
L49[08:14:55] <S3> you told me last night
L50[08:15:03] <Izaya> last night?
L51[08:15:05] <S3> ooh shiny
L52[08:15:07] <S3> yep
L53[08:15:09] <Izaya> so I did
L54[08:15:14] <S3> lol
L55[08:15:17] <Izaya> was thismorning for me
L56[08:15:18] <S3> you were dancin
L57[08:15:26] <S3> it's 9 am here
L58[08:15:28] <Izaya> got Windows, Mint and Arch installed on it now
L59[08:15:35] <S3> aha
L60[08:15:42] <S3> but systemd :(
L61[08:15:48] <Izaya> Mint and Arch are sharing a filesystem
L62[08:16:01] <S3> sounds dangerous
L63[08:16:05] <Izaya> nah
L64[08:16:08] <Izaya> btrfs subvols are great
L65[08:16:15] <S3> oh yeah
L66[08:16:24] <S3> I haven't played with btrfs much
L67[08:16:28] <S3> I typically use zfs for those things
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L69[08:29:13] <S3> I dunno, I don't think it's that complicated.
L70[08:29:16] <S3> https://hastebin.com/muteqehoro.txt
L71[08:29:58] <S3> the build system is working :D
L72[08:30:04] <S3> I ran lua boot/DEFAULT
L73[08:30:08] <S3> and it had no errors
L74[08:37:06] * Lizzy snuggles her vifino
L75[08:42:44] <Michiyo> S3, the joke was that you said "complicater" Forecaster replied with "needs less catering"
L76[08:42:46] <Michiyo> :P
L77[08:42:59] <Michiyo> complicaterd*
L78[08:45:40] <S3> guys..
L79[08:45:54] <S3> I dunno how I found this, but I found this randomly, my old drawing from a couple years ago:
L80[08:45:56] <S3> http://imgur.com/qrtgcyx
L81[08:46:29] <S3> it's pretty
L82[08:46:37] <S3> Izaya: you might like that XD
L83[08:46:43] <20kdc> it looks amazing, but I wonder whose blackboard that was
L84[08:46:45] <MindWorX> Looks like the work of a coder/artist hybrid :P
L85[08:46:52] <MindWorX> Mixing form with function.
L86[08:47:02] <20kdc> would have been a very confusing day for them
L87[08:47:17] <S3> 20kdc mine.
L88[08:47:35] <Forecaster> who puts a power outlet in the middle of a blackboard
L89[08:47:42] <Izaya> I love the power point there
L90[08:47:43] <Forecaster> or who puts a blackboard around a power outlet
L91[08:47:49] <S3> this is outdated
L92[08:47:54] <S3> this is the monolithic kernel
L93[08:47:58] <S3> while S3IX is now a microkernel
L94[08:48:09] <S3> now everything is based on streams
L95[09:07:12] <MindWorX> Is there any way to get the time a world has been running? My initial idea was to have a timer system in the spawn chunks, but I'd love something more precise if possible.
L96[09:07:34] <Forecaster> I think that's what os.time() gives you
L97[09:09:20] <Forecaster> in seconds
L98[09:10:08] <MindWorX> I somehow missed that function ... but it's perfect.
L99[09:14:42] <S3> It's coming along! :D
L100[09:14:44] <S3> https://github.com/bhodgins/s3ix
L101[09:19:24] <S3> also
L102[09:19:37] <S3> as soon as I get the hw bus stuff worked out
L103[09:19:47] <S3> then the os should work on both OC and CC
L104[09:20:12] <S3> but I'm not finishing bus/peripheral.lua anytime soon
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L109[10:15:57] <MindWorX> I have a creative computer running. Do I need to make any precautions to make sure it doesn't shut down? It's in the spawn chunks.
L110[10:16:44] <MGR> I don't think so
L111[10:16:52] <Ai> even if it were not the spawn chunks it will save its state and continue where it left of anyways
L112[10:16:56] <MGR> Just make sure your program doesn't have any errors (e.g. not yielding)
L113[10:17:29] <MindWorX> Alright
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L117[10:49:05] <S3> hey mgr
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L119[10:49:33] <MGR> hey S3
L120[10:49:52] <S3> I have kernel code up!
L121[10:49:56] <MGR> nice!
L122[10:49:57] <S3> but it's still under heavy dev
L123[10:50:15] <MGR> you should open a PR to put it in the OC-Programs repo
L124[10:50:46] <S3> hmm
L125[10:50:54] <MGR> Because I'll have time to merge it today
L126[10:50:59] <MGR> Can't look it over in detail though
L127[10:51:05] <MGR> Got so much stuff going on right now
L128[10:51:07] <S3> is it easy to move it?
L129[10:51:08] <S3> https://github.com/bhodgins/s3ix
L130[10:51:11] <S3> it lives there atm
L131[10:52:54] <MGR> Yeah
L132[10:53:11] <MGR> if you fork the GE/OC-programs repo and make a folder for your OS, then just move the stuff in there
L133[10:53:18] <MGR> It should then give you an option to open a PR
L134[10:54:30] <Kodos> Does GitHub Markdown support colors?
L135[10:55:05] <gamax92> don't think so
L136[10:58:37] <Kodos> Bah, alright
L137[11:00:27] <Michiyo> wooot
L138[11:00:45] <Michiyo> got my first order of Arduino unos and some shields
L139[11:01:24] <Michiyo> Pi 3 starter kit comes in Feb 13th :D
L140[11:02:12] <gamax92> but then valentines day
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L142[11:13:13] <20kdc> Maybe Michiyo and a Raspberry Pi are visiting each other for Valentine's.
L143[11:16:27] <Forecaster> #drama
L144[11:19:46] <Inari> jMaybe the raspberry controls a sextoy~
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L146[11:21:27] <MGR> time to find a phone for my friend
L147[11:27:51] <MGR> done
L148[11:27:54] <MGR> that was easy
L149[11:28:42] <MGR> now I need to factory reset a laptop when I go home
L150[11:28:49] <Corded> * MGR starts checking off his list
L151[11:29:38] <S3> so
L152[11:29:56] <S3> anyone ever played super paper mario?
L153[11:30:13] <MGR> I've heard of it
L154[11:30:25] <Forecaster> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/theory-of-awful-tv
L155[11:30:46] <S3> there's this part of the game where you have to be a gerbil in a wheel
L156[11:30:52] <S3> to pay off some debt
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L158[11:30:59] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L159[11:31:07] <S3> now I can do it the normal way and find a ruby stash or some shit
L160[11:31:09] <MGR> yo S3, did you make that PR?
L161[11:31:10] <S3> I dunno
L162[11:31:14] <S3> not yet
L163[11:31:19] <S3> but I decided to just tape the button down
L164[11:31:23] <S3> on the wiimote
L165[11:31:24] <MGR> aight, because I'm on lunch break right now
L166[11:31:32] <MGR> And I could merge it right away
L167[11:38:18] <Ady (WriteEscape)> so the motion sensor block is awesome :)
L168[11:38:43] <MGR> @Ady (WriteEscape) in what regard?
L169[11:43:34] <MindWorX> os.time() returns the number of ticks the game/server has been running.
L170[11:43:45] <MindWorX> So if I wanted to convert it to seconds, it would just do os.time()/20?
L171[11:44:12] <MGR> well
L172[11:44:16] <MGR> now that's a bit tricky
L173[11:44:30] <MGR> If your server is lagging, there isn't always 20 ticks in a second
L174[11:44:31] * Izaya yawns
L175[11:44:44] <S3> there
L176[11:44:45] <S3> pr made
L177[11:44:47] <Izaya> I wonder if my new laptop can run Minecraft reasonably...
L178[11:44:54] <MGR> S3, thanks m8
L179[11:44:55] <Izaya> I'd have to remember my password first...
L180[11:45:03] <MindWorX> Hmm
L181[11:45:49] <MindWorX> So os.time() isn't really an option for tracking how long someone has been playing.
L182[11:46:07] <MindWorX> Well, I guess it could be argued that it's more precise, since if you have fewer ticks, you'll be playing longer to do the same work.
L183[11:46:27] <Izaya> It works but gets less accurate over time
L184[11:46:52] <MGR> S3, merged
L185[11:46:57] <S3> I see
L186[11:47:05] <MGR> thanks for the pr!
L187[11:47:28] <MindWorX> Izaya, Yeah
L188[11:47:46] <MindWorX> I think i'll stick with the ticks count and then just call it score instead of second.
L189[11:47:49] <S3> there is a vendor library included with s3ix mgr, but it's MIT licensed so
L190[11:47:56] <S3> shouldn't be a big deal
L191[11:48:16] <MGR> S3, now if you keep your branch open, you should be able to just update that and it should either re-open the PR or make a new one
L192[11:48:20] <MGR> if it doesn't, let me know
L193[11:48:32] <S3> I see
L194[11:48:59] <S3> so when i push to my Oc-Programs copy on my github, it should automatically send a pr?
L195[11:49:08] <MGR> It SHOULD
L196[11:49:12] <S3> lol
L197[11:49:19] <MGR> Like I said, if it doesn't, let me know and I'll work it out
L198[11:49:30] <Izaya> I think it's more that your branch is updated and then MGR can merge when he wants
L199[11:49:35] <Izaya> repeatedly
L200[11:49:39] <Izaya> ad infinitum
L201[11:50:22] <MGR> Thank you Izaya
L202[11:50:40] <MGR> \sarcasm now, let's do those infinite merges! /sarcasm
L203[11:51:07] <S3> I wonder if it is safe to go outside yet
L204[11:51:21] <Izaya> no
L205[11:51:29] <Izaya> there are snakes and spiders and other hostile life forms
L206[11:51:48] <MGR> S3, what is the danger?
L207[11:52:10] <Ady (WriteEscape)> @MGR the fact that it makes alarm systems easy to make
L208[11:52:42] <MGR> @Ady (WriteEscape) ah ok
L209[11:53:10] <MGR> Because I tried to use it for a few other things, and then my 2 years younger brain failed because it didn't know how to Lua
L210[11:53:21] <MGR> But also because motion sensors can generate a ton of signals very fast
L211[11:53:36] <Ady (WriteEscape)> though, i'm sure my script could be optimized
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L213[11:54:19] <MGR> they all can
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L215[11:54:32] <MGR> GERTi got a whopping 66% speed increase during the early development phase
L216[12:18:49] <CompanionCube> Izaya: ayy
L217[12:24:09] <Forecaster> https://twitter.com/healthire_/status/823885437177593857
L218[12:24:09] <MichiBot> Tue Jan 24 07:29:29 CST 2017 @healthire_: Huh. I guess I've been doing it right all along. https://t.co/fDyBUdc2Ey
L219[12:24:23] <Forecaster> and here I've been trying to fix them!
L220[12:26:52] <Mimiru> "If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of adding them"
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L222[12:35:58] <Forecaster> http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/2017/01/24/training-boot-camp-for-recruits/
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L225[12:52:14] <Inari> Mimiru: I still say it should be called demothing
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L230[13:28:07] <payonel> soooo, my improvements to openos are at a point that i would call 1.6.1
L231[13:28:16] <payonel> aaand i test memory costs -- utter failure
L232[13:28:31] <payonel> boots on T1 ram but with only 23k of free ram, and `install` cannot load
L233[13:28:58] <payonel> improving openos is getting more difficult
L234[13:29:32] <payonel> i think now all i'm going to do for openos is to reduce memory cost and find ways to speed up certain operations
L235[13:51:40] <gamax92> openos is too complicated now
L236[13:51:43] <gamax92> please trim
L237[13:52:00] <gamax92> write a swap based table implementation
L238[13:53:27] <payonel> i very much would like to. the solution would be a lot better with string.dump+load support
L239[14:01:20] <S3> ok
L240[14:01:32] <S3> payonel: OR
L241[14:01:37] <S3> work on S3IX
L242[14:01:37] <S3> :D
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L247[14:27:07] <Inari> RIP Jupiter Potato
L248[14:28:40] <MGR> payonel, you can also improve OpenOS by including GERTi client functionality! :p
L249[14:32:11] <payonel> and that's going to reduce the complexity and memory costs how?
L250[14:33:27] <Inari> payonel: Swapping
L251[14:33:32] <Forecaster> https://www.google.se/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiSlve30NvRAhVEDCwKHYYZC9cQjBwIBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reactiongifs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F03%2Fmagic.gif&psig=AFQjCNFIPDYB10uOs73LblQxvlvhGe3UkQ&ust=1485376400676092
L252[14:33:36] <Forecaster> dammit
L253[14:33:53] <Forecaster> dangit google, that's not the url you showed me D:<
L254[14:34:03] <Forecaster> http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/magic.gif
L255[14:34:05] <Inari> Actaully
L256[14:34:17] <Inari> I'm bored anyway, I should try and write a simple OC OS that does swapping
L257[14:35:20] <payonel> i'll work on a swap memory space for 1.6.2, but i need to trim 1.6.1 to support `install` on low ram
L258[14:40:54] <Michiyo> %addcommand magic http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/magic.gif
L259[14:40:56] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Can't override existing commands.
L260[14:41:00] <Michiyo> Erm..
L261[14:41:02] <Michiyo> %magic
L262[14:41:02] <MichiBot> http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/magic.gif
L263[14:41:04] <Michiyo> Oh
L264[14:41:07] <Michiyo> lmfao
L265[14:41:09] <Michiyo> same link even :P
L266[14:41:19] <Temia> pfft
L267[14:42:25] * Inari pets the Temia :P
L268[14:42:26] <Forecaster> \o/
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L270[14:48:52] <Kodos> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=807273886
L271[14:48:57] <Kodos> Forgot I had this game :x
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L278[15:06:32] <Kodos> Bleh
L279[15:09:57] <TYKUHN2> I love it when games randomly become corrupted
L280[15:09:58] <Forecaster> welcome back to the irc side :P
L281[15:11:03] <Kodos> Indeed
L282[15:11:06] <Kodos> How goes the voice work
L283[15:16:44] <Forecaster> I've not started on it properly since the first tests
L284[15:17:27] <Forecaster> I should have enough time to record tomorrow, and less to do since I've completed a bunch of updates today
L285[15:18:04] <Forecaster> huh
L286[15:18:40] <Forecaster> a bot called Mee6 messaged me on discord saying "Forecaster just advanced to level 1!"
L287[15:18:45] <Forecaster> oO
L288[15:18:51] <vifino> I have a complete datacenter in my bathroom.
L289[15:18:52] <Forecaster> it's not in any of the servers I'm in
L290[15:18:54] <vifino> Fear me.
L291[15:19:44] <vifino> A blade center and a tape library in the shower, a fibre channel raid array and fibre channel switch on the toilet.
L292[15:19:48] <vifino> 1v1
L293[15:26:57] <Forecaster> is this the next level from dropping your phone in the toilet
L294[15:31:28] <vifino> more like the next level of watching netflix while taking a bath.
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L296[15:32:32] <Forecaster> pretty sure you don't need a datacenter for that :P
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L298[15:49:10] <MindWorX> Can I control multiple monitors without a computer on each monitor?
L299[15:49:57] <Kodos> MindWorX, Yes, but you'll need a GPU for each monitor
L300[15:50:01] <MindWorX> Hm
L301[15:50:11] <Kodos> I recommend using a server for it
L302[15:51:26] <MindWorX> Good idea
L303[15:51:28] <MindWorX> Can servers talk to eachother within the same rack without a network card?
L304[15:51:52] <Kodos> Well, yes, but it would be like cabling two computers together
L305[15:51:57] <MindWorX> Hm
L306[15:52:00] <Kodos> Components such as screen, keyboard, etc would get crossed
L307[15:52:28] <MindWorX> I'll give it a try.
L308[16:02:15] <MindWorX> Is there anything more light-weight than OpenOS for servers? I basically just need to run a lua script on startup which will run forever.
L309[16:02:50] <MindWorX> I guess OpenOS has a lot of the component features I'm used to
L310[16:03:21] <Temia> You could probably pare it down quite a bit if it's just running a single script
L311[16:04:59] <MindWorX> Hm
L312[16:05:05] <MindWorX> I guess it doesn't matter really
L313[16:05:18] <MindWorX> All I'd save is diskspace right?
L314[16:06:25] <vifino> and a little ram, likely.
L315[16:07:13] <MindWorX> Ah, I guess it's not really worth it then. It's a creative computer running some map logic.
L316[16:09:09] <Kodos> MindWorX, it really depends on what the script needs to do
L317[16:09:21] <Kodos> If you're doing stuff through the debug card, a microcontroller may work
L318[16:09:29] <Kodos> I'm not sure of its Tier though
L319[16:09:48] <MindWorX> I haven't played with microcontrollers before
L320[16:10:13] <S3> check this out
L321[16:10:15] <S3> https://hastebin.com/himicufexi.lua
L322[16:10:31] <S3> main.lua may be the shortest file in my entire kernel..
L323[16:10:35] <MindWorX> I basically need to detect a redstone signal which starts a timer and then another redstone signal which stopes it.
L324[16:11:00] <MindWorX> The timer should then be shown on four monitors.
L325[16:11:06] <MindWorX> Very very basic stuff
L326[16:11:53] <S3> serviced is a service service that automatically brings up the stream service and init
L327[16:12:36] <Temia> You could probably just run that code off an EEPROM
L328[16:12:38] <S3> init takes care of loading the vfs and everything, then fire off to /sbin/init.. which can be a lua script or a shell script or ahwtever. That happens after root is mounted.
L329[16:13:25] <S3> yeah that sounds like a short segment of code there
L330[16:13:44] <MindWorX> How do I program an eeprom?
L331[16:14:28] <Temia> By using eeprom.set()
L332[16:14:54] <S3> or using flash
L333[16:15:43] <MindWorX> Interesting
L334[16:15:45] <Temia> Or that I guess.
L335[16:16:15] <MindWorX> Do I lose any functionality by using the EEPROM?
L336[16:22:51] <Kodos> If you need the script to access a screen, Microcontrollers won't work, as they cannot access external components
L337[16:23:04] <Kodos> However that sounds pretty basic and a T1 Server should handle that just fine
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L340[16:28:51] <Temia> You lose access OpenOS APIs but that's it.
L341[16:30:47] <payonel> MindWorX: a gpu can `bind` to a screen
L342[16:30:50] <payonel> and you can rebind
L343[16:31:00] <payonel> so, technically, you could bind+draw, bind+draw, bind+draw, etc
L344[16:31:09] <payonel> and rebinding doesn't blank out of the previous screen
L345[16:31:12] <MindWorX> Rebinding messes up the resolution though, so that's not a viable option
L346[16:31:37] <payonel> it does? huh, didn't know that
L347[16:31:49] <payonel> i've not had that problem
L348[16:31:56] <payonel> though, i've not done a lot of rebinding
L349[16:32:16] <MindWorX> Yeah, it's no something you really do :P
L350[16:32:18] <payonel> just enough to make sure openos supports multiple screens, gpus, and keyboards
L351[16:33:23] <MindWorX> Are left and right swapped on servers? Or is my orientation wrong? :P
L352[16:33:40] <payonel> left is relative to the front face of the computer case, not you
L353[16:33:45] <MindWorX> Ah
L354[16:33:58] <MindWorX> I guess that makes sense
L355[16:34:10] <MindWorX> Since back is relative to the case as well
L356[16:34:40] <payonel> so what happens to the resolution when you rebind?
L357[16:35:16] <MindWorX> It resets. I remember writing large text and rebinding in a previous experiment and the text would go back to regular size.
L358[16:36:34] <payonel> was the resolution whilst bound to screen B different than the target resolution on screen A ?
L359[16:37:17] <MindWorX> No, it was two screens with the same resolution.
L360[16:37:19] <MindWorX> But actually
L361[16:37:27] <MindWorX> It did write to the local monitor as well
L362[16:37:33] <MindWorX> So maybe that's the issue
L363[16:38:04] <payonel> well, if you find a bug, feel free to ping me or make a github issue
L364[16:38:20] <MindWorX> Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was a bug at the time
L365[16:38:29] <MindWorX> Since it might be expected behavior when rebinding. :)
L366[16:40:47] <MindWorX> I guess that's one of the disadvantages of emulating computers so well. :P In the real world, swapping monitors would also mess with resolutions, so it's entirely possible that it is intended in OC.
L367[16:41:31] <payonel> i haven't read the scala side of the rebinding, but it surprises me to be honest
L368[16:41:45] <payonel> on the openos side, i'm definitely not
L369[16:45:04] <S3> WOW!
L370[16:45:10] <S3> payonel: MY KERNEL IS WOPRK+WEJSKJDSKMNBNINGING!
L371[16:45:12] <S3> working*
L372[16:45:17] <S3> Sorry Iw as excited.
L373[16:45:19] <payonel> haha, nice
L374[16:45:25] <payonel> oh i know the feeling!
L375[16:45:29] <payonel> i'm excited for you :)
L376[16:45:48] <S3> it was a pain because my builder takes a bunch of core kernel files and slams them into a big lua blob
L377[16:45:51] <payonel> the memory wall has become so daunting, i might make my own separate os soon
L378[16:46:02] <S3> so you get an error and it's like, oh it's on like 200 something in this giant blob of mess
L379[16:46:09] <S3> if it's a core error
L380[16:46:15] <payonel> right, yeah
L381[16:46:45] <S3> memory wall?
L382[16:46:54] <S3> there's tons of memory in OC though!
L383[16:48:16] <S3> payonel: now I have to plan out a port of udev
L384[16:48:32] <S3> so that when you plug in a redstone io block, it loads up the driver for it
L385[16:48:34] <payonel> tier 1 ram
L386[16:48:36] <S3> which, creates the /sys files.
L387[16:48:37] <payonel> 192k of memory
L388[16:48:42] <S3> 192k is a lot though
L389[16:48:45] <payonel> i have to get to shell with ~30k free
L390[16:49:04] <payonel> >.< openos 1.5 (when i started) boots allocating 205k
L391[16:49:05] <S3> I grew up with 64K
L392[16:49:09] <S3> in my home computer
L393[16:49:25] <payonel> this is a very different problem
L394[16:49:30] <payonel> i dont have c or c++ to control the memory
L395[16:49:58] <payonel> S3: again, openos 1.5 allocated 205k just to bot
L396[16:50:04] <S3> doing what?
L397[16:50:06] <payonel> i got openos 1.6 down to 162k
L398[16:50:10] <payonel> boot*
L399[16:50:19] <S3> are you sure you're just not deallocating stuff?
L400[16:50:33] <payonel> i have 1.6.1 "ready", but it is taking 167k, which isn't enough wiggle room to run `install`
L401[16:50:38] <S3> I found out the other day, if I do a = function(t) end
L402[16:50:45] <S3> and then do b = a
L403[16:50:47] <S3> and then a = nil
L404[16:50:50] <S3> the gc won't pick it up
L405[16:50:54] <S3> and itl just sit there in memory
L406[16:51:01] <S3> as a copy
L407[16:51:07] <payonel> i'm well aware, and have read many papers on lua optimizations
L408[16:51:09] <S3> itl clean up a
L409[16:51:17] <S3> heh
L410[16:51:17] <payonel> it's not really a copy, but a ref count in that case
L411[16:51:28] <S3> right
L412[16:51:31] <payonel> i cut out ~60k of cost in openos 1.6
L413[16:51:34] <MindWorX> Can I get the address of a monitor in any way?
L414[16:51:36] <S3> but the fact that you can still call b() is expected and very scary
L415[16:51:47] <S3> MindWorX: any component has .address
L416[16:51:59] <S3> print(mymonitorcomponentthing.address)
L417[16:52:23] <payonel> S3: consider that openos 1.6 has many more features than 1.5, but takes less memory to boot
L418[16:52:24] <MindWorX> Well, without booting up anything. So I can note down which monitor is which.
L419[16:52:37] <payonel> it was a big deal, one of the huge things about openos 1.6 work was that T1 ram worked again
L420[16:52:51] <S3> S3IX will likely be a memory hog
L421[16:53:11] <S3> especially with unmanaged hard drives, because it will cache sectors in ram for performance.
L422[16:53:22] <S3> (tweakable)
L423[16:53:29] <MindWorX> I recall having to connect cables by right-clicking them, which would show the address, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
L424[16:53:52] <payonel> MindWorX: the analyzer can tell you the metadata of components by right crouch+rmb them
L425[16:53:57] <payonel> -right
L426[16:54:05] <Kodos> MindWorX, you're thinking of ComputerCraft Modems, I believe
L427[16:54:13] <Kodos> That's an entirely different mod
L428[16:54:30] <MindWorX> That might be, it was a long time ago
L429[16:54:49] <payonel> S3: anyways, i've done quite a lot of profiling of the boot process. measure cost of every type of call, library loading, caching costs, function and table creation costs
L430[16:54:52] <MindWorX> Analyzer is all I need, thanks. <3
L431[16:54:59] <payonel> trimming, delaying, cleaning
L432[16:55:22] <S3> basically, with unmanaged disks, every time you write to a file, a microkernel service that holds all cached sectors will collect one to cache and then release them when sync happens.
L433[16:55:35] <S3> instead of writing instantly to disk
L434[16:56:14] <S3> is there an easy way to tell how much memory my lua process is taking?
L435[16:56:31] <S3> well actually it exits as soon as it starts atm
L436[16:56:40] <S3> there's no loop yet since there's no stream service running
L437[16:56:48] <payonel> no, you have to gc before the call, check free mem, call it and check free mem in the call to measure the cost
L438[16:56:51] <S3> or process service
L439[16:56:56] <S3> Ic.
L440[16:57:13] <S3> maybe I should create a profiling service?!
L441[16:57:13] <S3> :D
L442[16:57:18] <S3> that reports memory usage
L443[16:57:43] <S3> my kernel image is currently 8K
L444[16:58:01] <S3> 12K&
L445[16:58:05] <S3> it's 12K now lol
L446[16:58:47] <S3> that 12K includes the kernel, but also the config file, and the initrd.
L447[16:58:53] <S3> and the initrd takes up the most
L448[16:59:29] <payonel> mtg, bbl, o/
L449[16:59:29] <S3> also, if you know of a really tiny pure lua minifier... :D
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L451[17:01:28] <Kodos> Are you looking for a Minifier that minifies Lua code, or a minifier written IN lua
L452[17:02:35] *** medsouz|offline is now known as medsouz
L453[17:04:18] <MGR> payonel, GERTi will do magic
L454[17:04:23] <MGR> and that will decrease memory costs
L455[17:04:34] <MGR> if decrease memory costs == increase memory costs when configured
L456[17:04:42] <MGR> In real life news
L457[17:05:06] <MGR> Someone said, "hey, I've had this laptop for 3 years, and I want to give it to my father. It's in good condition, can you make sure it's good to go?"
L458[17:05:11] <MGR> I'm like "sure"
L459[17:05:27] <MGR> They gave me a laptop with a Core 2 Duo and a Radeon Mobility 3850
L460[17:05:40] <MGR> It also wouldn't boot on the first go-around
L461[17:05:59] <MGR> Also they gave me 3 power cords, 2 of which have like 0 insulation on the wires
L462[17:06:08] <MGR> I feel so lied to
L463[17:07:17] <Kodos> You should keep it, and tell them it's for their own good
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L465[17:10:55] <MGR> Kodos, it may end up that way
L466[17:11:02] <MGR> There's no boot sector on the hard drive
L467[17:11:17] <MGR> I'm going to poke around a little bit, but this may be a lost cause
L468[17:11:40] <CompanionCube> MGR: do you even testdisk
L469[17:12:06] * Kodos pokes S3
L470[17:12:56] <MGR> CompanionCube, what is testdisk
L471[17:13:18] <MGR> and dinner is nearly done cooking, so I may go afk abruptly
L472[17:14:09] <MindWorX> How is it I get the full address using a partial address?
L473[17:14:36] <MindWorX> component.get!
L474[17:15:35] <CompanionCube> 'TestDisk is a free and open-source data recovery utility. It is primarily designed to help recover lost data storage partitions and/or make non-booting disks bootable again '
L475[17:15:47] <CompanionCube> it should at least help you know what you're dealing with
L476[17:18:23] <Kodos> Welp, looks like I'll be afk for 3 days
L477[17:23:16] <vifino> see ya, Kodos.
L478[17:23:23] <Kodos> Aye
L479[17:23:28] <Kodos> Wife bought Sims 4, it just got done downloading
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L481[17:33:09] <Ady (WriteEscape)> how can i make a script that allows the syntax l.randomfunction(1,2,3,4) for example?
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L486[17:55:54] <MindWorX> Is there any way to get more cards into a machine?
L487[17:56:04] <MindWorX> I mean
L488[17:56:07] <MindWorX> More than the limit :P
L489[17:56:27] <MindWorX> I'd like 5 cards in my creative server, but it only allows 4.
L490[17:57:29] <Ady (WriteEscape)> use a server :)
L491[17:57:56] <MindWorX> But that's what I'm doing :P
L492[17:58:08] <Ady (WriteEscape)> hummm
L493[17:59:05] <TYKUHN2> What do you need so many cards for?
L494[18:00:48] <MindWorX> I wanted to add a network card to the server I have which controls four monitors.
L495[18:01:55] <TYKUHN2> Monitors don't require four card slots?
L496[18:02:21] <MindWorX> They do if you want to control four monitors.
L497[18:02:30] <Ady (WriteEscape)> ... no they dont
L498[18:02:53] <MindWorX> How'd you do it? And don't tell me to rebind the gpu :P
L499[18:02:58] <Kodos> What about two servers running two monitors each and a master control server on a third
L500[18:03:10] <MindWorX> Kodos, Yeah, I think I'll do that.
L501[18:03:23] <TYKUHN2> Are multiple GPUs even possible?
L502[18:03:29] <MindWorX> Yes
L503[18:03:32] <Ady (WriteEscape)> yeah you can use a proxy
L504[18:04:07] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 yeah
L505[18:04:09] <MindWorX> Wait a second, my APU has a GPU. So that's APU + 3 GPUS + 1 Network Card
L506[18:04:12] <TYKUHN2> I suppose Component just goes "Yep this GPU is arbitrarily primary"
L507[18:04:13] <MGR> you can't just do component.gpu though
L508[18:04:20] <MGR> that's pretty much what it does
L509[18:04:21] <MGR> also
L510[18:04:26] <TYKUHN2> Yeah APU is a GPU
L511[18:04:34] <MindWorX> TYKUHN2, What's more funny is, it picks it at random each boot :P
L512[18:04:37] <MGR> I will be ordering the parts for my new computer now!
L513[18:04:56] <MGR> https://pcpartpicker.com/user/majgenrelativity/saved/jHzBD3
L514[18:05:38] <TYKUHN2> Can I have some of that?
L515[18:05:43] <TYKUHN2> I have a Duo Core
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L517[18:07:39] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 sure m8
L518[18:07:42] <MGR> just give me your money
L519[18:07:53] <TYKUHN2> What money?
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L521[18:09:11] <MGR> sell your kidney
L522[18:09:26] <MGR> So this is a question I want to throw out there
L523[18:09:38] <MGR> Your liver can regenerate after having part removed
L524[18:09:50] <MGR> So why not just keep selling your liver?
L525[18:11:00] <TYKUHN2> How does one create a GPU viewport?
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L527[18:12:15] <Kodos> Wiki
L528[18:12:20] <Kodos> Err
L529[18:12:33] <Kodos> Fucking phone I am done
L530[18:13:35] <TYKUHN2> Can't find any reference
L531[18:15:37] <MGR> RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
L532[18:15:50] <MGR> The monitor I want just went up $70USD in price from yesterday
L533[18:15:56] <MGR> GOD DAMN IT LIFE
L534[18:15:56] <MGR> WHY
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L536[18:17:10] <MGR> ok
L537[18:17:30] <MGR> I got it for $619 + tax for a slightly cosmeticly damaged one on Amazon
L538[18:21:32] <Ady (WriteEscape)> gah
L539[18:24:36] <MGR> I'm not buying the 1080 yet
L540[18:24:43] <MGR> going to use my friend's AMD 370
L541[18:24:52] <MGR> Because I want to see what Vega or the 1080Ti brings to the table
L542[18:25:25] <Ady (WriteEscape)> is the syntax for a bollean in an if statement just if value then ?
L543[18:26:14] <MGR> should be
L544[18:27:10] <Ady (WriteEscape)> trying to get my script to behave properly before i do my video on it, lol
L545[18:28:00] <Ady (WriteEscape)> could you read over it for me, and make sure i've not done anything stupid?
L546[18:29:28] <MGR> I can read it over
L547[18:29:45] <MGR> I've done lots of stupid stuff too, so don't take me as the authority ?
L548[18:29:49] <Ady (WriteEscape)> http://pastebin.com/sEpRLcN4
L549[18:30:02] <MGR> My new mouse comes tomorrow
L550[18:30:03] <MGR> Baller
L551[18:31:09] <Ady (WriteEscape)> oh and i found out that the redstone io blocks HATE enderio redstone conduits
L552[18:31:59] <TYKUHN2> Ady I can read it over when chrome remembers how to operate
L553[18:33:32] <Ady (WriteEscape)> i know that there is most likely a easier way of detecting multiple motion sensors then the way i did it
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L555[18:36:34] <GuntherDW> Guest83709, (Magik6k not identified that is :P) your site seems to have issues with v6. Your vhosts seem to work just fine over v4, but over v6 it attempts to redirect to your "main" HTTPS site, which will then 404 out for the stuff attempting to use your vhosts
L556[18:36:46] <GuntherDW> for example your youtube converter
L557[18:37:17] <GuntherDW> I thought it was an issue on my part, and actually made a converter myself, until I noticed that over v4 everything was fine
L558[18:40:19] <MGR> @Ady (WriteEscape) looks ok
L559[18:41:09] <Ady (WriteEscape)> yeah i just have to jump on my elevator and it goes up/down
L560[18:41:54] <Ady (WriteEscape)> is there a way of hiding it using chisel and bits and it still working?
L561[18:46:51] <MGR> We automatically record the IP address for all new orders placed on the website. We take any unauthorized use of credit cards seriously. All fraudulent activities will be reported to the appropriate state and federal agencies. (Seriously, we've busted people.)
L562[18:47:03] <MGR> Kudos to SuperBiiz
L563[18:47:21] <Ady (WriteEscape)> ... that's a legal requirement for ANY ecommerce website
L564[18:47:28] <MGR> lol, I know
L565[18:47:40] <Corded> * MGR pulls out handful of credit cards from pocket
L566[18:47:48] <MGR> I guess I should use the one that's mine \o/
L567[18:47:55] <Ady (WriteEscape)> lol
L568[18:48:01] <S3> kodos: It has to be a lua minifier written in lua, but small, something I can easily use in my repository for the build system
L569[18:48:15] <S3> also, I'm curious if I can use less memory than payonel...
L570[18:48:15] <S3> heh
L571[18:48:26] <S3> since I'm writing a microkernel, I can actually unload the kernel after it boots
L572[18:48:32] <S3> since the kernel is only needed for boot
L573[18:48:34] <MGR> CRAP NO
L574[18:48:37] <MGR> NO NO NO NO NONONONONO
L575[18:48:40] <S3> ?
L576[18:48:45] <MGR> SUPER BIIZ
L577[18:48:46] <MGR> WHYYYYYy
L578[18:48:52] <MGR> YOU ADDED A PART TO MY ORDER!
L579[18:48:58] <S3> lol
L580[18:49:08] <S3> Kodos: also did you get my message yesterday
L581[18:49:09] <Ady (WriteEscape)> was it a power cable?
L582[18:49:22] <S3> maybe it was a cable car
L583[18:49:24] <MGR> GOD DAMN YOU
L584[18:49:32] <MGR> It was an i5-6400
L585[18:49:41] <S3> no i7?
L586[18:49:44] <MGR> for $176
L587[18:49:47] <S3> and why not 6400K
L588[18:49:56] <MGR> S3, I also ordered an i7-6850K
L589[18:50:00] <S3> what you need is an i7 6990K
L590[18:50:07] <S3> I have a 4770K
L591[18:50:10] <S3> i7 :)
L592[18:50:11] <MGR> I did not want a 6400, I do not know how I got a 6400, but it's there
L593[18:50:17] <MGR> 6990K doesn't exist
L594[18:50:35] <Ady (WriteEscape)> has anyone got a linegraph libary that they use in lua?
L595[18:50:57] <MGR> cancelled that order
L596[18:51:01] <MGR> crisis averted
L597[18:51:10] <S3> mgr yeah cancel that shit
L598[18:51:12] <S3> lol
L599[18:51:16] <S3> nobody wants a 400
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L601[18:51:33] <Ady (WriteEscape)> maybe if they had a time machine and sent it back to the 90s
L602[18:51:36] <S3> 400 is consumer level
L603[18:51:37] <S3> XD
L604[18:52:42] <Corded> * MGR examines order
L605[18:52:43] <MGR> OK
L606[18:52:49] <MGR> Now it's just my Rampage V Edition 10
L607[18:53:24] <MGR> S3, my friend has a 6400 in his computer
L608[18:53:31] <S3> UPGRADE
L609[18:53:32] <MGR> I asked him what he wanted to do with it
L610[18:53:41] <S3> upgrade to i7 1000.
L611[18:53:49] <MGR> When i built his computer, I said "What are you going to do with this?
L612[18:53:56] <Ady (WriteEscape)> my new computer came with 8gb of ram, even though i ordered 64gb, i emailed them and they said "we thought you wouldn't notice"
L613[18:53:59] <S3> he said I'm going to play MUDs?
L614[18:54:10] <MGR> He said, "maybe play TF2 every now and then. I don't use my computer that much"
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L616[18:54:17] <MGR> so I bought him a 6400 to save him money
L617[18:54:32] <S3> I got a GTX 770 to play text adventure games without X
L618[18:54:33] <MGR> And then he immediately started playing tons of games
L619[18:54:43] <S3> it plays them well
L620[18:54:45] <MGR> and has now spent thousands of USD on upgrading his parts
L621[18:55:05] <S3> thousands seems unreasonable
L622[18:55:20] <S3> my desktop played anything, ANYTHING on ultimate and still pretty much does
L623[18:55:24] <S3> and was $1,500
L624[18:55:33] <MGR> S3, he's getting a 7700K now
L625[18:55:40] <S3> heheh
L626[18:55:46] <S3> why K?
L627[18:55:54] <S3> what the hell is he going to do with a LK
L628[18:55:55] <S3> K*
L629[18:56:17] <MGR> He's upgraded his CPU, Mobo, RAM, GPU, CPU cooler, thermal paste, got a sound card, got a M.2 SSD, and I think that's it
L630[18:56:23] <MGR> S3, I'm going to overclock it for him
L631[18:56:32] <S3> upgraded thermal paste.. wut
L632[18:56:47] <S3> don't set voltage to 0 volts.
L633[18:56:52] <S3> it's a bad idea
L634[18:57:32] <MGR> S3, the stock thermal paste borked out when I moved his CPU to a new mobo
L635[18:57:44] <MGR> So he told me to buy him the best thermal paste money could buy
L636[18:57:50] <TYKUHN2> 0V overvoltage awww yeah
L637[18:58:00] <MGR> I told him I wasn't buying him liquid metal paste because that crap's tricky
L638[18:58:06] <TYKUHN2> Currently running my GPU on 0V
L639[18:58:12] <MGR> Then I got him Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut for $10USD
L640[19:00:06] <MGR> S3, I promise I won't set the voltage to 0
L641[19:03:09] <TYKUHN2> Hold on. I'm overclocking my PSU to 0V now. I need the extra performance.
L642[19:03:50] <MGR> hells yah
L643[19:04:08] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 what are you running? 80Plus Plutonium, or 80 Plus Unobtanium?
L644[19:06:56] <TYKUHN2> i8 U
L645[19:07:11] <TYKUHN2> Infinitium 8 Unobtanium Platnium edition
L646[19:07:24] <S3> You knows know I was kidding right?
L647[19:07:25] <S3> lol
L648[19:07:35] <S3> (I sure hope so)
L649[19:07:50] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 dude, I got the Infinitium 9 Unobtanium Super Platinum Edition
L650[19:07:53] <MGR> Get on my level
L651[19:07:59] <MGR> S3, of course I know you were kidding!
L652[19:08:06] <MGR> If I didn't, I shouldn't be building PC's ?
L653[19:08:16] <TYKUHN2> Can you even undervolt to 0?
L654[19:08:26] <MGR> You can probably try
L655[19:08:34] <MGR> And then you would end up trying to reset your CMOS
L656[19:08:56] <TYKUHN2> I'm tempted to undervolt anyways as my GPU runs below required power.
L657[19:08:58] <Ady (WriteEscape)> does anyone here use openglasses?
L658[19:09:11] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 what's your GPU?
L659[19:09:16] *** medsouz is now known as medsouz|offline
L660[19:09:57] <TYKUHN2> If I ever do get a working sufficient PSU I plan to overvolt. At max stress it performs well below the maximum rated tempature
L661[19:10:10] <TYKUHN2> Nvidia GT 730
L662[19:11:26] <TYKUHN2> For the past two or three days I have been trying to offload a huge file inorder to requistition the disk space I need to compress a SHIT TON of videos
L663[19:11:45] <TYKUHN2> The file is a 30GB disk backup
L664[19:11:58] <MGR> @tyuk
L665[19:12:02] <MGR> huh
L666[19:12:15] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 here's the problem
L667[19:12:23] <MGR> I believe the GT 730 has DDR3
L668[19:12:36] <TYKUHN2> I have the DDR5 Model of the 730
L669[19:12:45] <MGR> GDDR5?
L670[19:12:51] <MGR> Because DDR5 doesn't exist yet
L671[19:12:54] <TYKUHN2> I'll double check
L672[19:13:07] <MGR> It should be either DDR3 or GDDR5
L673[19:13:17] <Ady (WriteEscape)> DDR4
L674[19:13:32] <TYKUHN2> GDDR5
L675[19:13:33] <MGR> @Ady (WriteEscape) I haven't seen any GPUs with DDR4 yet
L676[19:13:36] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 ok good
L677[19:13:42] <MGR> also, you can't OV Nvidia GPUs
L678[19:13:51] <TYKUHN2> You sure?
L679[19:15:05] <TYKUHN2> My GPU is nothing significant but it gets the job done
L680[19:15:16] <MGR> there may be a "voltage" slider
L681[19:15:23] <MGR> but it just unlocks another boost bin
L682[19:15:28] <MGR> you're not really overvolting
L683[19:18:34] <TYKUHN2> "0V typically represents voltage low, referred to as VSS"
L684[19:18:49] <TYKUHN2> Hmm
L685[19:18:57] <MGR> and my credit card company cancelled one of the transactions because of fraud protection
L686[19:20:30] <TYKUHN2> YOU SAW NOTHING
L687[19:21:12] <MGR> @TYKUHN2 so that's why it was for 4 Titan X Pascals!
L688[19:21:38] <TYKUHN2> I confused Vss with Vcc for a second
L689[19:21:54] <MGR> did you delete a discord message?
L690[19:22:06] <MGR> because those don't go away on IRC
L691[19:26:41] <MGR> alright
L692[19:26:45] <MGR> time to test disk it up
L693[19:27:25] <MGR> gotta find my external enclosure
L694[19:30:44] <MindWorX> Yay, my timer is looking splendid: http://i.imgur.com/NAsLC6h.png
L695[19:31:30] <MindWorX> Now I just need to add start/stop.
L696[19:32:10] <TYKUHN2> Fun fact: I have power cycled my computer without turning it off.
L697[19:32:22] <MGR> eh
L698[19:32:23] <MindWorX> It would be awesome if there was a way to send a global wifi message using commands. I'm currently relying on placing redstone blocks.
L699[19:32:34] <MGR> I'll do this tomorrow/thursday/friday/someday
L700[19:32:53] <MGR> goodnight!
L701[19:38:36] <Izaya> glorious, my laptop supports 5Ghz wifi
L702[19:38:42] <Izaya> if only any of my other sstuff did
L703[19:40:31] <TYKUHN2> upgradeTo5GZ()
L704[19:41:10] <Izaya> I can't get an affordable 5Ghz ADSL2+ router
L705[19:43:07] <TYKUHN2> Where's my 10^9 GHz router?
L706[19:43:24] <TYKUHN2> Can't believe I had to whip out my calculator to make that joke
L707[19:45:45] <TYKUHN2> My Deluxe "Gamma" Wireless DE Router has absolutely no range ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L708[19:50:53] <Izaya> I may or may not be flooding the 2.5Ghz spectrum with the same network on different bands
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L710[19:56:33] <S3> TYKUHN2 you do not want a 10^9 Ghz router
L711[19:58:15] <S3> a wavelength that short has so much energy to propagate the distance you need it to, that it would ionize everything and pretty much do some pretty serious damage..
L712[19:58:50] <S3> everything would probably incinerate
L713[19:58:51] <S3> lol
L714[20:01:40] <S3> Izaya: honestly I prefer 2.4Ghz
L715[20:02:02] <S3> When I have a choice I usually go for 2.4
L716[20:03:53] <S3> The reason is simple; lower frequencies tend to propagate farther distances, and I find that more important than speed when most of the stuff I do on wifi is talk through a gateway that's slower than the network anyways. However, there are times when 5Ghz wifi is really useful besides bandwidth, and that's the fact that it will pierce through thick plaster
L717[20:03:53] <S3> walls and other barriers much easier.
L718[20:04:46] <S3> if you need your wifi to pierce through 3 floors to the basement, 5Ghz can be pretty handy sometimes.
L719[20:05:09] <S3> but if I'm mounting an antenna on my roof and sitting outdoors, I'd always use 2.4.
L720[20:06:13] <TYKUHN2> S3 10^9 is just 10Ghz below Gamma Radiation. That was actually a computation error I intended to reach Gamma
L721[20:06:36] <S3> like I said
L722[20:06:37] <S3> it's ionized
L723[20:06:45] <S3> at least with any reasonable power
L724[20:07:17] <S3> the higher the frequency the more directional the signal needs to be to use the same ammount of power to reach the same distance
L725[20:07:45] <S3> imagine an omnidirectional signal (though note there's no such thing as a truly omnidirectional antenna, it doesn't happen)
L726[20:09:37] <S3> it takes energy to oscilate those waveforms, so you can just imagine
L727[20:09:53] <S3> and those waveforms themselves are energy
L728[20:10:22] <Izaya> S3: thing is that the school network is 5Ghz only
L729[20:10:28] <Izaya> hence why I need 5Ghz
L730[20:10:37] <S3> Izaya: interesting
L731[20:10:43] <S3> most routers are dual band
L732[20:10:48] <Izaya> Oh
L733[20:10:50] <S3> and most people tend to leave them that way
L734[20:11:00] <Izaya> it supports 2.5Ghz
L735[20:11:10] <Ady (WriteEscape)> yup, but why are they more often 5 ghz thesedays?
L736[20:11:21] <S3> yes because you're not in the US
L737[20:11:25] <S3> I would imagine
L738[20:11:33] <Izaya> but the high-up admins do 5Ghz only so there's less network connection
L739[20:11:42] <Izaya> because less phones and laptops support 5Ghz
L740[20:11:49] <Izaya> s/connection/congestion
L741[20:11:49] <MichiBot> <Izaya> but the high-up admins do 5Ghz only so there's less network congestion
L742[20:11:57] <S3> there is no 2.5 Ghz section in the US for wifi
L743[20:12:27] <Ady (WriteEscape)> whats the standard in the usa?
L744[20:15:48] <S3> I think we have all the way to channel 11, which is 2.462 Ghz
L745[20:16:22] <S3> an interesting note
L746[20:16:45] <S3> US amateur radio license holders actually have part of that band
L747[20:16:59] <S3> which happens to fall in the 802.11g area
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L749[20:17:39] <S3> meaning that a licensed amateur can connect their router to an amplifier and use up to 1.5 kilowatts of power (NOT RECOMMENDED)
L750[20:17:49] <S3> legal though
L751[20:18:03] <S3> obviously within good practice
L752[20:18:24] <S3> a wireless router is usually pretty low power
L753[20:18:34] <S3> between 20 and 70 miliwatts.
L754[20:18:58] <S3> you can change that though with some routers + custom firmware
L755[20:19:38] <S3> howver this also fluctuates with the band as well
L756[20:19:47] <S3> the more bandwidth, the more energy you use
L757[20:19:53] <S3> it takes more energy to have more bandwidth
L758[20:20:22] <S3> if you've ever looked at a cell phone tower and thought omg look at those many power cables that are thicker than my arm, it must be transmitting so much energy
L759[20:20:33] <S3> and in truth it is, but it's not actually transmitting a high ammount of power
L760[20:20:42] <S3> all of that energy is going into giving you your damn 4G speds XD
L761[20:20:51] <S3> by having a super wide bandwidth
L762[20:22:18] <S3> in reality those towers can get away with transmitting 5 watts of forward power but they're consuming almost megawatts.
L763[20:23:11] <S3> your FM radio stations that you listen to music on are a great example, they're a massive waste of energy.
L764[20:23:40] <S3> just so they can have their almost 100Khz wide bandwidth crap
L765[20:24:11] <S3> one to reduce noise but 2 to make it easier for you to find the station on a dial
L766[20:24:52] <S3> the radio in my car steps at 5Khz, so I have to rotate it over and over and over to completely get through one station XD
L767[20:26:38] <Ady (WriteEscape)> is that why you dont have to be percise when you tune into a radio station?
L768[20:29:08] <S3> yes
L769[20:29:54] <Ady (WriteEscape)> well, before digital radio
L770[20:31:04] <S3> right
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L772[20:35:30] <Ady (WriteEscape)> so, why did they get rid of terrestieal tv?
L773[20:38:33] <TYKUHN2> NOT RECOMMENDED = You should probably do it.
L774[20:41:27] <TYKUHN2> I have a question
L775[20:41:36] <TYKUHN2> I bet you I know the answer but just checking
L776[20:41:56] <TYKUHN2> Do motherboards have a maximum wattage support?
L777[20:44:09] <Ady (WriteEscape)> yeah, i presume so, otherwise they would arch and short circuir eventually
L778[20:44:23] <TYKUHN2> That range would be outside of 150W above stock no?
L779[20:45:05] <TYKUHN2> Also
L780[20:45:13] <TYKUHN2> My laptop can't power on if the power LED is disconnected...
L781[20:45:20] <TYKUHN2> Uhm
L782[20:46:14] <TYKUHN2> Also I am actively connecting the keyboard's serial cable after booting into Windows 10. NOT RECOMMENDED unless you wanna be awesomely bad at connecting it the first time
L783[20:47:13] <TYKUHN2> Although the touchpad isn't responsive
L784[20:47:55] <S3> digital radio is still Ady: Because it freed bandwidth for use by digital channels and also other bands.
L785[20:48:39] <TYKUHN2> Efficient use of bands!
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L788[21:54:10] <TYKUHN2> Does it matter that only 3 of my ribbon cable connectors is actually straight?
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L791[22:05:29] <TYKUHN2> Potentially
L792[22:08:37] <TYKUHN2> I'll see if I can swap it out with another
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