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L17[02:34:26] <Forecaster> Invalid channel
flag
L18[02:36:34] <Inari> Ohi
L19[02:37:00] <Forecaster> hai
L20[02:42:32] <Inari> Hows it going
L21[02:42:44] <Inari> Oh look, our resident
monstergirl is back :D
L22[02:50:03] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SxWEmlolug&feature=em-uploademail
L23[02:50:04] <MichiBot> Cody's Whipped
Cream | length: 2m 43s | Likes: 8,346 Dislikes: 58 Views: 97,064 | by Cody'sLab |
Published On 3/1/2017
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L35[05:00:55] <Forecaster> https://twitter.com/MegaMan/status/816026280776740864
L36[05:00:55] <MichiBot> Mon Jan 02
15:00:01 CST 2017 @MegaMan: Ugh. I do this every single year. It's
so hard to adjust! https://t.co/Uf8bweEG7K
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L42[05:32:12] <snowden89> so I am kind of
in an awkward spot right now :(
L43[05:32:20] <snowden89> have tons of
time
L44[05:32:27] <snowden89> no duties or
anything
L45[05:32:41] <snowden89> yet no idea what
project of mine i should jump into
L46[05:32:46] <snowden89> for the next 2 -3
weeks
L47[05:32:48] <snowden89> lol
L48[05:33:06] <Forecaster> play enter the
gungeon
L49[05:36:35] <Kodos> Develop an OC
Addon
L50[05:47:21] <Vexatos> play Enter the OC
Addon
L51[05:56:44] 
<MGR>
snowden89
<MGR>
snowden89L52[05:56:47] <MGR>
oops
<MGR>
oopsL53[05:56:56] <MGR> if
you're looking for a project, I can give you one ?
<MGR> if
you're looking for a project, I can give you one ?L54[05:58:03] <MGR>
meanwhile, I copied a file onto a USB drive so I could work on it
on my lunch break at work, and then forgot the flash drive ?
<MGR>
meanwhile, I copied a file onto a USB drive so I could work on it
on my lunch break at work, and then forgot the flash drive ?L55[06:00:18] <snowden89> lol I have done
that :P
L56[06:00:25] <snowden89> my issue is more
i have projects
L57[06:00:31] <MGR>
yep
<MGR>
yepL58[06:00:33] <snowden89> and i dont know
what one to jump at
L59[06:00:42] <MGR>
snowden, name some of them off
<MGR>
snowden, name some of them offL60[06:01:12] <snowden89> ircbot for work
network that monitors breaks harrases people when they miss it
ie.
L61[06:01:36] <snowden89> trying to design
a nice looking website for a company
L62[06:01:44] <snowden89>
jilinfishfarm.com
L63[06:02:03] <snowden89> without any
useable details fromthe owner
L64[06:02:12] <snowden89> :( and a language
barrier
L65[06:02:14] <snowden89> lol
L66[06:02:24] <snowden89> but i mistakenly
said yes to family...
L67[06:02:45] <MGR> that
is indeed not in English
<MGR> that
is indeed not in EnglishL68[06:03:12] <snowden89> play some of the
games i have bought
L69[06:03:17] <snowden89> but never
touched
L70[06:03:33] <snowden89> and learning
rust
L71[06:03:49] <MGR> Is
that all?
<MGR> Is
that all?L72[06:03:58] <snowden89> the main
ones
L73[06:04:02] <MGR>
ok
<MGR>
okL74[06:04:06] <MGR> so 1.
IRCbot
<MGR> so 1.
IRCbotL75[06:04:11] <MGR> 2.
Non-English website
<MGR> 2.
Non-English websiteL76[06:04:15] <MGR> 3.
Play new games
<MGR> 3.
Play new gamesL77[06:04:17] <MGR> 4.
Learn Rust
<MGR> 4.
Learn RustL78[06:05:55] <MGR>
Forecaster, I unlocked engines
<MGR>
Forecaster, I unlocked enginesL79[06:06:18] <MGR>
snowden89, go with number 1
<MGR>
snowden89, go with number 1L80[06:06:27] <MGR> maybe
your workmates will like/hate you more ?
<MGR> maybe
your workmates will like/hate you more ?L81[06:07:13] <snowden89> yeah thats what I
am looking at now
L82[06:07:15] <snowden89> :P
L83[06:09:55] <Inari> Forecaster: Hows that
game you'remaking going
L84[06:10:13] <Forecaster> what
L85[06:10:16] <Forecaster> I'm not making
any games
L86[06:10:28] <Inari> You were wanting to
make one
L87[06:10:30] <Inari> reactor idling
thingy
L88[06:10:39] <Forecaster> I haven't
started on that yet
L89[06:11:01] <Inari> :<
L90[06:11:40] <Forecaster> at some point
when I feel I have the time I'll start prototyping something
L91[06:13:16] <MGR>
Forecaster, engines!
<MGR>
Forecaster, engines!L92[06:13:29] <Forecaster> I have a factory
making tanks now
L93[06:13:36] <Forecaster> 17 million /
tick
L94[06:13:56] <Inari> I need to play more
of that again
L95[06:14:00] <Inari> Probably spam lots of
research
L96[06:14:03] <Inari> as that seems the
smart way
L97[06:14:09] <MGR>
oof
<MGR>
oofL98[06:20:12] <MGR> Inari,
as you approach engines, you want to save up $1 trillion
<MGR> Inari,
as you approach engines, you want to save up $1 trillionL99[06:20:26] <MGR>
otherwise you'll hit a massive frequency wall
<MGR>
otherwise you'll hit a massive frequency wallL100[06:20:52] <Inari> Well
L101[06:20:56] <Inari> I'm like far from
engines
L102[06:20:58] <Inari> and had 2.42
trillion
L103[06:20:59] <Inari> xD
L104[06:21:19] <MGR> what
do you have?
<MGR> what
do you have?L105[06:21:20] <MGR>
gunz?
<MGR>
gunz?L106[06:21:30] <Inari> Yeah
L107[06:22:39] <MGR> ah
okay
<MGR> ah
okayL108[06:22:42] <MGR> do you
have analytics?
<MGR> do you
have analytics?L109[06:22:54] <Inari> Yeah, but havent
built one yet
L110[06:23:28] <MGR> ah
ok
<MGR> ah
okL111[06:23:34] <MGR> you'll
need both metal and gas/oil labs
<MGR> you'll
need both metal and gas/oil labsL112[06:23:42] <Inari> I know
L113[06:24:05] <MGR> just
trying to help ?
<MGR> just
trying to help ?L114[06:30:44]
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L116[06:33:13] <Kodos> Okay, time to tough
it out on MC
L117[06:46:08] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/FvDHY
L118[06:49:13] <Forecaster> I'll have to
second comment #2
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L120[07:20:55] <Forecaster> I might want
to limit each reactor to 2 cooling systems...
L121[07:21:09] <Forecaster> man, writing a
reactor control system is more difficult than I thought
L122[07:22:56] <S3> http://tinyurl.com/humzsd7
L123[07:22:57] <S3> there
L124[07:23:30] <Inari> Forecaster: famous
last words
L125[07:24:34] <Forecaster> Inari: no I'm
pretty sure that would have to be "x is easier than I
thought" :P
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L133[07:55:27] <Kodos> Forecaster,
reactors in what
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L135[07:57:29] <Vexatos> Forecaster,
famous last words are "this reactor program should work
fine"
L136[07:57:35] <Vexatos> Kodos, in
Minecraft
L137[07:57:46] <Kodos> Ah
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L142[08:03:28] <MGR>
Forecaster, I need advice
<MGR>
Forecaster, I need adviceL143[08:03:47] <MGR> Should
I spend my money on more engine factories, or wait 21 hours to get
the conveyor upgrade?
<MGR> Should
I spend my money on more engine factories, or wait 21 hours to get
the conveyor upgrade?L144[08:03:54] <MGR> I have
~290 billion dollars
<MGR> I have
~290 billion dollarsL145[08:06:07]
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L146[08:10:53] <MGR> and
there's now resource efficiency upgrades... nice
<MGR> and
there's now resource efficiency upgrades... niceL147[08:18:41] <20kdc> S3:
where did you get an awesome blackboard?
<20kdc> S3:
where did you get an awesome blackboard?L148[08:18:51] <20kdc> ok,
admittedly it has a wall socket right in the middle of it
<20kdc> ok,
admittedly it has a wall socket right in the middle of itL149[08:18:52] <20kdc>
but
<20kdc>
butL150[08:25:18] <MGR> well,
I cut my time down to conveyor upgrade by 10 hours, so that's a
good
<MGR> well,
I cut my time down to conveyor upgrade by 10 hours, so that's a
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L153[09:08:12] <MGR> Once I
can get my engine factories above 50-70% efficiency, I will shoot
for clean electronics
<MGR> Once I
can get my engine factories above 50-70% efficiency, I will shoot
for clean electronicsL154[09:13:31] <Forecaster> right.. time
to get on my server and make a list of stuff that my analog reactor
control system does...
L155[09:13:43] <Forecaster> because I'm
stuck
L156[09:13:49] <MGR>
Forecaster, what reactor
<MGR>
Forecaster, what reactorL157[09:13:58] <Forecaster> minecraft
reactor
L158[09:14:03] <MGR> what
mod
<MGR> what
modL159[09:14:08] <Forecaster> ic2
L160[09:14:13] <MGR> ah
ok
<MGR> ah
okL161[09:14:53] <MGR> more
complicated than BR, but less complicated than ReactorCraft
<MGR> more
complicated than BR, but less complicated than ReactorCraftL162[09:15:44] <Forecaster> I refuse to
use reactorcraft
L163[09:15:49] <MGR>
why?
<MGR>
why?L164[09:16:38] <Forecaster> because it's a
reikamod
L165[09:16:56] <MGR>
_shrugs_
<MGR>
_shrugs_L166[09:17:17] <MGR> I can
generate more power than any other mod that I'm aware of through
ReactorCraft
<MGR> I can
generate more power than any other mod that I'm aware of through
ReactorCraftL167[09:17:36] <Forecaster> that's
nice
L168[09:17:43] <Forecaster> except nobody
needs that much power :P
L169[09:17:52] <Forecaster> I certainly
don't
L170[09:17:57] <MGR> I've
used ~500,000 RF/t
<MGR> I've
used ~500,000 RF/tL171[09:18:15] <MGR>
admittedly not enough to move the needle on a maxed out fusion
reactor, but I have plans
<MGR>
admittedly not enough to move the needle on a maxed out fusion
reactor, but I have plansL172[09:18:59] <Forecaster> even if I did
I wouldn't use it
L173[09:19:33] <MGR> and
that's your decision to make
<MGR> and
that's your decision to makeL174[09:19:46] <Forecaster> I'm
aware.
L175[09:20:50] <MGR> good
?
<MGR> good
?L176[09:27:30] <Michiyo> I just tweak the
configs on BR I produce insane amounts of power, and I'm free of
reikamods.
L177[09:27:39] <Michiyo> :P
L178[09:27:52] <MGR>
Michiyo, but that's cheating! ?
<MGR>
Michiyo, but that's cheating! ?L179[09:28:34] <Michiyo> pfft.. w/e
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pfffffffffffffffffffft
<MGR>
pfffffffffffffffffffftL182[09:30:50] ⇦
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L184[09:43:20] <Forecaster> hm, maybe I
should have a separate machine for each cooling tower
L185[09:43:30] <Forecaster> that'd
simplify things a bit
L186[09:43:36] <MGR>
cooling tower?
<MGR>
cooling tower?L187[09:43:52] <Forecaster> cooling stack,
is maybe more appropriate
L188[09:44:03] <Forecaster> the set of
machines in ic2 that process the hot coolant
L189[09:44:21] <MGR> ahhhh
ok
<MGR> ahhhh
okL190[09:46:42] <Forecaster> then I should
have a T2 server for each reactor, and a T1 server for each cooling
stack
L191[09:47:13] <Forecaster> then the
client can probably query each of those for their status and
summarize it
L192[09:47:27] <Michiyo> Seems IC2 has
improved a lot since I last used their reactors...
L193[09:47:43] <Forecaster> you've not
used them in quite a while then :P
L194[09:47:49] <MGR>
@Mimiru you can now construct an upgraded version that has coolant
and stuff
<MGR>
@Mimiru you can now construct an upgraded version that has coolant
and stuffL195[09:47:52] <MGR> more
power output
<MGR> more
power outputL196[09:50:14] <Michiyo> Forecaster,
umm... 1.5? maybe 1.6..
L197[09:50:26] <Forecaster> :P
L198[09:50:52] <Michiyo> what MC version
are they on now? Still 1.7?
L199[09:51:02] <Forecaster> there's a 1.10
version
L200[09:51:09] <Michiyo> Oh.. neat
L201[09:51:29] <Michiyo> I need to find
someone who knows 1.8+ well enough to help me port OS
L202[09:51:38] <Michiyo> cause... I can't
:/
L203[09:51:47] <MGR>
@Mimiru I made this awesome mod one time ?
<MGR>
@Mimiru I made this awesome mod one time ?L204[09:51:50] <MGR> It had
3 blocks!
<MGR> It had
3 blocks!L205[09:51:57] <MGR> One
even had a nice texture ?
<MGR> One
even had a nice texture ?L206[09:52:07] *
Michiyo pats @MGR on the head
L207[09:52:08] <Michiyo> :P
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L209[09:52:24] <MGR>
yeah!
<MGR>
yeah!L210[09:52:35] <MGR> In
reality though, I can't help much
<MGR> In
reality though, I can't help muchL211[09:52:42] <Forecaster> gasp
L212[09:52:42] <MGR> A. Not
skilled
<MGR> A. Not
skilledL213[09:52:50] <MGR> B.
GERT just sucked up all of my time
<MGR> B.
GERT just sucked up all of my timeL214[09:53:58] <Forecaster> I think A was
reason enough :P
L215[09:54:01] <Forecaster> https://twitter.com/shatterfront/status/816065700577972224
L216[09:54:02] <MichiBot> Mon Jan 02
17:36:39 CST 2017 @shatterfront: he was ahead of his time https://t.co/iQNVouihCN
L217[09:54:17] <MGR>
Forecaster, true, but 2 are better than 1
<MGR>
Forecaster, true, but 2 are better than 1L218[09:54:35] *
Forecaster stabs MGR twice
L219[09:54:57] <MGR> see,
doesn't that feel better?
<MGR> see,
doesn't that feel better?L220[09:55:09] <Forecaster> no
L221[09:55:59] <MGR> well,
I guess 2 isn't always better than 1
<MGR> well,
I guess 2 isn't always better than 1L222[10:04:10] <Inari> https://i.imgur.com/4KfdylP.jpg
L223[10:04:28] <MGR>
heh
<MGR>
hehL224[10:04:59] <Forecaster> I just linked
a tweet with that image :P
L225[10:05:11] <Kodos> Forecaster, are you
using MysteryDump's design by chance?
L226[10:05:15] <Kodos> For the cooling
towers
L227[10:05:25] <Forecaster> I don't know
who that is
L228[10:05:37] <Kodos> She did a lot of
RAilcraft/IC2/GT videos
L229[10:05:44] <Inari> Forecaster:
:P
L230[10:05:58] <Inari> I think I saw it on
/r/softwaregore
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L242[11:45:33] <Izaya> "No DirectX
capable video adapter found, please insert a DirectX capable video
adapter and try again"
L243[11:45:45] <Izaya> I guess my GTX690s
finally got annoyed with running GTA5 at 8k
L244[11:45:56] <Izaya> Time to shut them
down for a while I guess
L245[11:46:06] <Izaya> 2 and a half days
uptime
L246[11:46:12] <MGR> Izaya,
you running Quad-SLI?
<MGR> Izaya,
you running Quad-SLI?L247[11:46:17] <Izaya> Yup.
L248[11:46:22] <MGR>
Cool
<MGR>
CoolL249[11:46:26] <20kdc>
...that is ridiculous
<20kdc>
...that is ridiculousL250[11:46:29] <20kdc> you
realize that
<20kdc> you
realize thatL251[11:46:32] <Izaya> Yup.
L252[11:46:40] <20kdc> dare
I ask what necessitated such power?
<20kdc> dare
I ask what necessitated such power?L253[11:46:52] <Izaya> I also know that I
have half as much video memory as system memory
L254[11:46:53] <Izaya> Oh
L255[11:46:56] <Izaya> A friend gave them
to me
L256[11:46:59] <Izaya> so I use them
L257[11:47:01] <Izaya> \o/
L258[11:47:02] <MGR> Now I
wonder, could a Titan X Pascal beat that?
<MGR> Now I
wonder, could a Titan X Pascal beat that?L259[11:47:06] <20kdc> they
just... *gave* them to you?
<20kdc> they
just... *gave* them to you?L260[11:47:11] <Izaya> Yup.
L261[11:47:16] <Izaya> Upgraded to a dual
1080 setup.
L262[11:47:24] <MGR>
heh
<MGR>
hehL263[11:47:39] <Izaya> 690s weren't enough
for their WoW addiction I guess
L264[11:47:52] <MGR>
...
<MGR>
...L265[11:47:53] <Stary> ...lol
L266[11:48:09] <MGR> WoW
requires 4 690s/ 2 1080s?
<MGR> WoW
requires 4 690s/ 2 1080s?L267[11:48:29] <20kdc> In
an alternate universe.
<20kdc> In
an alternate universe.L268[11:48:36] <MGR>
^^^^^^^
<MGR>
^^^^^^^L269[11:48:41] <Izaya> not 4 690s
L270[11:48:45] <Izaya> 2 620s
L271[11:48:50] <Izaya> 690s
L272[11:48:51] <Izaya> w
L273[11:49:04] <Izaya> 1 960 has 2
GPUs
L274[11:49:08] <Izaya> 690
L275[11:49:09] <Izaya> f me
L276[11:49:24] <Izaya> so two 690s is 4
GPUs
L277[11:49:31] <Izaya> -> quad
SLI
L278[11:49:40] <MGR> yah
yah yah
<MGR> yah
yah yahL279[11:49:48] <MGR> I
meant 2 690s
<MGR> I
meant 2 690sL280[11:49:57] <MGR> are
they OC'd?
<MGR> are
they OC'd?L281[11:50:01] <20kdc> ah,
the "more dakka" approach to computer building, burning
holes in pockets with military-grade flamethrowers since...
<20kdc> ah,
the "more dakka" approach to computer building, burning
holes in pockets with military-grade flamethrowers since...L282[11:50:27] <MGR> @20kdc
since I decided on a $4,000 USD desktop?
<MGR> @20kdc
since I decided on a $4,000 USD desktop?L283[11:50:41] <MGR> for
Minecraft
<MGR> for
MinecraftL284[11:50:44] <Izaya> nah
L285[11:50:56] <Izaya> it's unstable
enough at stock
L286[11:51:15] <MGR> why
are they unstable?
<MGR> why
are they unstable?L287[11:51:16] <20kdc> MGR:
Excuse me, I need to make an emergency exit. Please see scene
reference S5.E9.timecode 2147483647.
<20kdc> MGR:
Excuse me, I need to make an emergency exit. Please see scene
reference S5.E9.timecode 2147483647.L288[11:51:37] <MGR> @20kdc
I'm actually in the midst of a crisis right now
<MGR> @20kdc
I'm actually in the midst of a crisis right nowL289[11:51:57] <20kdc> You
seem like a very calm person in crises. That must be an
asset.
<20kdc> You
seem like a very calm person in crises. That must be an
asset.L290[11:52:00] <Izaya> a combination of
cutting the power supply close and a lack of support for quad or
even dual SLI
L291[11:52:06] <MGR> I WAS
going to do i7-6850K+ASUS ROG Rampage V Edition 10, but I dunno if
I want to jump on the Kaby Lake bandwagon
<MGR> I WAS
going to do i7-6850K+ASUS ROG Rampage V Edition 10, but I dunno if
I want to jump on the Kaby Lake bandwagonL292[11:52:20] <MGR> Izaya,
that's not the bestest, and what lacks support for SLI?
<MGR> Izaya,
that's not the bestest, and what lacks support for SLI?L293[11:52:28] <Izaya> two 300W GPUs with
a 750W PSU is somewhat questionable
L294[11:52:40] <Izaya> most stuff doesn't
support SLI natively
L295[11:52:47] <Izaya> Minecraft is a good
example
L296[11:53:10] <Izaya> because it's also
CPU bound while we're at it
L297[11:53:19] <MGR> Izaya,
I don't have GTA, so I don't know if it supports SLI
<MGR> Izaya,
I don't have GTA, so I don't know if it supports SLIL298[11:53:29] <MGR> And
you're cutting it real close with that PSU
<MGR> And
you're cutting it real close with that PSUL299[11:53:33] <MGR> what
model?
<MGR> what
model?L300[11:53:53] <Izaya> Thermaltake
something
L301[11:53:55] <MGR> The
engineers at Intel's fab facilities don't sit there and pull on
both ends of the silicon in order to get it to stretch;
<MGR> The
engineers at Intel's fab facilities don't sit there and pull on
both ends of the silicon in order to get it to stretch;L302[11:53:58] <MGR> FALSE,
they do
<MGR> FALSE,
they doL303[11:54:09] <Izaya> good midrange
PSU
L304[11:54:13] <MGR>
yeah
<MGR>
yeahL305[11:54:26] <Izaya> but it's fine
L306[11:54:38] <MGR> Izaya,
I think there's software that can limit the power draw on your
GPUs
<MGR> Izaya,
I think there's software that can limit the power draw on your
GPUsL307[11:54:42] <MGR> may
want to look into that
<MGR> may
want to look into thatL308[11:54:43] <Izaya> an i3 is only 30ish
watts
L309[11:54:45] <Izaya> there is
L310[11:54:51] <MGR>
waiiiiiiit
<MGR>
waiiiiiiitL311[11:54:56] <MGR> you
have 2 690s with an i3
<MGR> you
have 2 690s with an i3L312[11:55:02] <Izaya> but I haven't had
to reset fuses in quite a while
L313[11:55:08] <Izaya> I'm not made of
money
L314[11:55:20] <MGR> yeah,
but I think you're CPU bound tremendously
<MGR> yeah,
but I think you're CPU bound tremendouslyL315[11:55:20] <Izaya> the box originally
had a 750Ti
L316[11:55:26] <Izaya> I agree
L317[11:55:28] <MGR> what
generation?
<MGR> what
generation?L318[11:55:32] <Izaya> haswell
L319[11:55:45] <Izaya> gonna get a Xeon
1231 v3 to replace it soon(TM)
L320[11:56:24] <Izaya> because fuck your
gaming shit
L321[11:57:24] <MGR> Izaya,
Haswell: The last time Intel made a meaningful IPC increase
<MGR> Izaya,
Haswell: The last time Intel made a meaningful IPC increaseL322[11:59:03] <Izaya> after haswell
L323[11:59:14] <Izaya> the E3 line uses a
different socket
L324[11:59:24] <Izaya> so I really don't
want to change
L325[11:59:25] <MGR>
no
<MGR>
noL326[11:59:30] <MGR> I
think it uses a different chipset
<MGR> I
think it uses a different chipsetL327[11:59:44] <Izaya> the physical socket
is different tho
L328[11:59:51] <Izaya> so even if the
chipset is the same
L329[12:00:02] <MGR> You
may be thinking of E5/E7
<MGR> You
may be thinking of E5/E7L330[12:00:06] <Izaya> no
L331[12:00:07] <MGR> those
use 2011-3
<MGR> those
use 2011-3L332[12:00:15] <Izaya> I mean E3
L333[12:00:24] <Izaya> I'm thinking of E3
too.
L334[12:01:43] <MGR>
http://ark.intel.com/products/88172/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1220-v5-8M-Cache-3_00-GHz
<MGR>
http://ark.intel.com/products/88172/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1220-v5-8M-Cache-3_00-GHzL335[12:01:47] <MGR>
http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
<MGR>
http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHzL336[12:02:11] <MGR> Unless
Intel calls both sockets the same, they should use the same
socket
<MGR> Unless
Intel calls both sockets the same, they should use the same
socketL337[12:02:16] <MGR> I'll
do some more research though
<MGR> I'll
do some more research thoughL338[12:03:11] <Izaya> huh
L339[12:03:29] <MGR> I
believe that all Xeons now need a server chipset
<MGR> I
believe that all Xeons now need a server chipsetL340[12:03:34] <MGR> not
the socket
<MGR> not
the socketL341[12:03:41] <Izaya> it was different
sockets in Broadwell
L342[12:03:51] <MGR>
Broadwell was a weird generation
<MGR>
Broadwell was a weird generationL343[12:03:58] <Izaya> looks like they got
rid of that in whatever the new one is
L344[12:04:01] <Izaya> 6th
L345[12:04:14] <Izaya> ah well
L346[12:04:20] <Izaya> hopefully after
that
L347[12:04:44] <Izaya> the next CPU
upgrade I do won't be x86
L348[12:04:56] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
o.o
L349[12:04:56] <MGR>
oh?
<MGR>
oh?L350[12:05:04] <CompanionCube> we talking
RISC-V, ARM, POWER?
L351[12:05:15] <Izaya> Either RISC-V or
POWER
L352[12:05:30] <Izaya> ARM doesn't seem to
be powerful enough
L353[12:05:36] <Stary> ARM isn't powerful
enough, tbh
L354[12:05:39] <CompanionCube> how will
you ever afford POWER
L355[12:05:42] <Stary> unless you want
like
L356[12:05:45] <Stary> 96 cores
L357[12:05:45] <Stary> lol
L358[12:06:25] <Izaya> well
L359[12:06:34] <Izaya> if I can get a
POWER box, great
L360[12:06:35] <Izaya> if not
L361[12:06:45] <Izaya> I'll settle for
RISC-V
L362[12:07:19] <Izaya> which already has a
lot of support despite only having tiny μC cores in silicon so
fat
L363[12:07:23] <Izaya> far
L364[12:07:34] <CompanionCube> isn't it
possible to sometimes neuter intel's me
L365[12:07:43] <Izaya> yeah
L366[12:07:49] <Izaya> but why
bother
L367[12:08:13] <20kdc> eh,
one of these days someone should just chain together a sufficiently
high amount of Arduinos
<20kdc> eh,
one of these days someone should just chain together a sufficiently
high amount of ArduinosL368[12:08:44] <Izaya> AVR designs aren't
open
L369[12:08:55] <Izaya> wom't do.
L370[12:09:09] <20kdc>
That's true, but they don't contain secret secondary
processors
<20kdc>
That's true, but they don't contain secret secondary
processorsL371[12:09:19] <20kdc> so
it's a compromise
<20kdc> so
it's a compromiseL372[12:09:33] <CompanionCube> Izaya: inb4
nonfree FPGA
L373[12:09:44] <20kdc>
CompanionCube: hey, that is a legitimate problem
<20kdc>
CompanionCube: hey, that is a legitimate problemL374[12:09:52] <20kdc> with
the AVR designs you could just say "it's a circuit"
<20kdc> with
the AVR designs you could just say "it's a circuit"L375[12:10:03] <20kdc> but
with FPGAs, unless going with Lattice...
<20kdc> but
with FPGAs, unless going with Lattice...L376[12:10:17] <20kdc>
well, you're stuck.
<20kdc>
well, you're stuck.L377[12:11:26] <20kdc>
Course, with Lattice you'd be talking a clock speed of... well, not
a very high one, that's for certain. But same goes for AVR, or any
experimental cores unless they actually start making
high-performance silicon.
<20kdc>
Course, with Lattice you'd be talking a clock speed of... well, not
a very high one, that's for certain. But same goes for AVR, or any
experimental cores unless they actually start making
high-performance silicon.L378[12:13:14] <Izaya> there are plans for
relatively fast RISC-V silicon
L379[12:13:38] <Izaya> said
microcontroller is 300+Mhz
L380[12:14:36] <MGR> I have
a friend that works at a company that makes DACs
<MGR> I have
a friend that works at a company that makes DACsL381[12:14:53] <MGR> They
have a DAC with 12 (i think) GHz frequency
<MGR> They
have a DAC with 12 (i think) GHz frequencyL382[12:14:58] <20kdc>
Izaya: That's decent, if they manage to make it
<20kdc>
Izaya: That's decent, if they manage to make itL383[12:15:25] <20kdc> MGR:
That's a DAC, though. Doesn't really do that much.
<20kdc> MGR:
That's a DAC, though. Doesn't really do that much.L384[12:15:47] <MGR> I
know
<MGR> I
knowL385[12:16:01] <MGR>
they've also made single transistors go up to 300 GHz I think
<MGR>
they've also made single transistors go up to 300 GHz I thinkL386[12:23:01] <MGR>
Ooh
<MGR>
OohL387[12:23:13] <MGR> USB
3.1 front panel headers are going to be a thing now
<MGR> USB
3.1 front panel headers are going to be a thing nowL388[12:25:21] <Izaya> great
L389[12:25:36] <MGR>
yeah
<MGR>
yeahL390[12:25:36] <Izaya> now if only there
were peripherals for it
L391[12:25:52] <MGR>
yeah
<MGR>
yeahL392[12:33:46] <FLORANA>
hello :#
<FLORANA>
hello :#L393[12:33:48] <FLORANA>
:3
<FLORANA>
:3L394[12:33:55] <MGR>
hello
<MGR>
helloL395[12:34:16] <FLORANA> i
hope 2017 will be a good year :3
<FLORANA> i
hope 2017 will be a good year :3L396[12:34:57] <MGR>
same
<MGR>
sameL397[12:36:13] <Forecaster> I hope 2017
will be a year
L398[12:41:30] <MGR> that's
always a bonus
<MGR> that's
always a bonusL399[12:42:20] <FLORANA>
well fore we are in 2017
<FLORANA>
well fore we are in 2017L400[12:43:41] <MGR>
@FLORANA until we hit January first of 2018, 2017 won't be a year
yet
<MGR>
@FLORANA until we hit January first of 2018, 2017 won't be a year
yetL401[12:43:54] <FLORANA>
...
<FLORANA>
...L402[12:44:03] <FLORANA>
idk about that
<FLORANA>
idk about thatL403[12:45:17] <MGR> one
year = 365 days
<MGR> one
year = 365 daysL404[12:45:27] <MGR> in
order for 2017 to be a year, there needs to be 365 complete
days
<MGR> in
order for 2017 to be a year, there needs to be 365 complete
daysL405[12:45:39] <MGR> which
won't happen until January 1, 2018
<MGR> which
won't happen until January 1, 2018L406[12:45:39] <Forecaster> it's been
about 0.8% of a year so far :P
L407[12:48:02] <MGR> for
me, it's been a mixed bag so far
<MGR> for
me, it's been a mixed bag so farL408[12:49:08] <MGR>
Introduced some new programs, and worked on making the GE more of a
real thing, and also caught a ton of flak over the fact that some
of my new programs were not amazing and incredible
<MGR>
Introduced some new programs, and worked on making the GE more of a
real thing, and also caught a ton of flak over the fact that some
of my new programs were not amazing and incredibleL409[13:18:16] ***
Mine|away is now known as minecreatr
L410[13:35:05] <payonel> Mimiru: there was
a big debate for 1.6 about $PWD some time ago -- it was decided to
conform to irl behavior and break stuff
L411[13:35:10] <payonel> sorry it broke
your script, though :(
L412[13:35:28] <MGR>
payonel, why you always breakingggggggg
<MGR>
payonel, why you always breakinggggggggL413[13:35:32] <MGR>
?
<MGR>
?L414[13:36:10] <payonel> mgr because
sometimes we don't get things right the first time
L415[13:36:12] <MGR> You
really should just release a version of OpenOS where I don't have
to program, it just knows what I want and does it XD
<MGR> You
really should just release a version of OpenOS where I don't have
to program, it just knows what I want and does it XDL416[13:36:12] <Michiyo> payonel, no
biggy, just wish I had known sooner I was very confised :P
L417[13:36:28] <MGR>
payonel, I'm fully aware of that, I was just joking
<MGR>
payonel, I'm fully aware of that, I was just jokingL418[13:37:01] <MGR> bagel
v1.3 went through endless revisions, and still it lost >50% of
its advanced features
<MGR> bagel
v1.3 went through endless revisions, and still it lost >50% of
its advanced featuresL419[13:40:40] <MGR>
Forecaster, I'm halfway to upgrading my conveyors!
<MGR>
Forecaster, I'm halfway to upgrading my conveyors!L420[13:42:17] <payonel> i'm running a
1.7.10 world and doors and chests, and pressure plates are working
like crap (miss an event to close or reset)
L421[13:42:22] <payonel> :(
L422[13:56:17] <S3> so
L423[13:57:32] <S3> MGR
L424[13:57:47] <MGR> so
S3
<MGR> so
S3L425[13:57:52] <S3> http://tinyurl.com/humzsd7
L426[13:58:12] <MGR>
ok
<MGR>
okL427[13:58:20] <S3> Seen that yet?
L428[13:58:47] <MGR> I have
now
<MGR> I have
nowL429[13:58:53] <S3> Apparently Gavle
misunderstood how Ocranet works
L430[13:59:00] <S3> I dunno if he
understands it yet
L431[13:59:53] <S3> It seems I will need
to write a paper on bare bones OCR
L432[14:00:03] <MGR> I
thought that was all part of the routing stuff
<MGR> I
thought that was all part of the routing stuffL433[14:00:14] <MGR> but I
gotta go
<MGR> but I
gotta goL434[14:00:17] <S3> heh
L435[14:00:25] <CompanionCube> inb4
LaTeX
L436[14:00:53] <S3> latex is meh when it
comes to RFC
L437[14:01:01] <S3> I prefr just plain
text so it's 100% compatible with everything
L438[14:01:47] <CompanionCube> S3: did you
know the canonical RFCs are now in XML format
L439[14:02:08] <S3> it's horrible
L440[14:02:30] <CompanionCube> at least
there's generators
L441[14:03:30] <S3> yeah maybe I should
just do that if organization is my problem
L442[14:05:59] <CompanionCube> S3: or we
could go for something simpler
L443[14:06:04] <CompanionCube> like the
original format
L444[14:06:37] <S3> how was that
done?
L445[14:06:40] <S3> sgml?
postscript?
L446[14:06:46] <CompanionCube> ASCII
L447[14:06:55] <CompanionCube> iirc
postscript was an optional addon
L448[14:11:15] <S3> CompanionCube: Looks
like you can use rfc-editor.org to put personal rfcs up
L449[14:11:19] <S3> which we can use for
Ocranet
L450[14:11:23] <S3> make it official
L451[14:11:24] <S3> :D
L452[14:11:36] <CompanionCube> S3: as if
they would actually accept it
L453[14:11:43] <S3> Yes they wood
L454[14:11:46] <S3> A good example:
L455[14:11:55] <S3> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt
L456[14:12:38] <S3> "The problem is
that making such determinations is hard. To solve this problem, we
define a security flag, known as the "evil" bit, in the
IPv4 [RFC791] header. "
L457[14:12:45] <CompanionCube> S3: the
april fools ones are special :p
L458[14:12:50] <S3> haha
L459[14:13:03] <S3> still apparently they
encourage people to throw up their own shit
L460[14:13:10] <S3> rfc-editor is more
casual
L461[14:13:12] <CompanionCube> when I said
simple, I meant ala RFC 825: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc825
L462[14:14:16] <S3> heh
L463[14:16:45] <CompanionCube> S3: you may
also remember https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/forum/49-openengineering-task-force/
is a thing
L464[14:17:19] <S3> Should I put it in
there?
L465[14:19:19] <CompanionCube> seems like
a good idea
L466[14:20:26] <S3> I really want to keep
Neighbor discovery as part of the routing protocol
L467[14:20:57] <S3> but the Routing
protocol in Ocranet has nothing to do with Ocranet
L468[14:21:21] <20kdc> ok,
so, apparently the evil bit RFC is impossible to implement even if
everybody were to actually follow it, because any fragmenting
intermediate router has to determine if the fragments are, by
themselves, dangerous.
<20kdc> ok,
so, apparently the evil bit RFC is impossible to implement even if
everybody were to actually follow it, because any fragmenting
intermediate router has to determine if the fragments are, by
themselves, dangerous.L469[14:21:33] <S3> Ocranet can almost be
seen as an alternative to Ethernet, but without encapsulation, and
without packet switching
L470[14:21:43] <S3> lol
L471[14:22:26] <S3> So, since there has
been some confusion as to how Ocranet ACTUALLY works, I find it
important to write a new standard that ONLY covers Ocranet's base
protocol: OCR
L472[14:22:33] <20kdc> A
sensible RFC would just have it so fragments of an evil packet are
considered dangerous by themselves. But then again, it's not a
sensible RFC...
<20kdc> A
sensible RFC would just have it so fragments of an evil packet are
considered dangerous by themselves. But then again, it's not a
sensible RFC...L473[14:22:49] <S3> Every routing protocol
that sits on top of Ocranet must support OCR, and OCR is very
simple.
L474[14:23:07] <S3> OCR is what makes the
network a network
L475[14:24:14] <20kdc> it
would be very good to have a spec for the base protocol
<20kdc> it
would be very good to have a spec for the base protocolL476[14:24:22] <20kdc>
...so, how does it work? Ogg container routing?
<20kdc>
...so, how does it work? Ogg container routing?L477[14:24:34] <CompanionCube> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc968.html :)
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L480[14:29:04] <S3> 20kdc No actually,
There's two ways we can do this
L481[14:29:10] <S3> I'm in between
each
L482[14:29:18] <S3> the first is binary
data packing the cells
L483[14:29:23] <S3> the second is to use
msgpack containers
L484[14:29:37] <S3> the downside of the
latter is it will never fit on a microcontroller
L485[14:29:48] <20kdc> Then
go with the former, surely?
<20kdc> Then
go with the former, surely?L486[14:30:16] <S3> The downside with the
first is that Lua isn't really that great for data packing and can
be annoying, but it's not horrible.. 5.3 makes it a bit
better
L487[14:30:40] <S3> There is also one part
of OCR I haven't decided on yet
L488[14:30:45] <S3> and that is the length
of the VPI and VCI bitfields.
L489[14:30:53] <S3> How many VPIs / VCIs
do we need?
L490[14:31:07] <20kdc>
65536.
<20kdc>
65536.L491[14:31:16] <S3> That's really large
though
L492[14:31:26] <20kdc>
Well, you could go for 4096
<20kdc>
Well, you could go for 4096L493[14:31:31] <S3> Personally, I can't
imagine that we'll need more than 10,000 VPIs
L494[14:31:32] <20kdc> but
that means extra packing work
<20kdc> but
that means extra packing workL495[14:31:42] <S3> oh I'm not worried
about it
L496[14:32:32] <S3> this seems excessive
but 10,000 VPIs means that you can have up to 9,999 computers /
switches on the same wire.
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L498[14:33:14] <S3> having more VCIs than
VPIs is more important (maybe)
L499[14:33:30] <S3> the reason for this is
lets say you only had 16 VCIs
L500[14:33:35] <S3> and you had 32
VPIs
L501[14:33:44] <S3> let's say that's what
you set for your cap
L502[14:33:59] <20kdc>
yeah, definitely go with 65536 VCIs
<20kdc>
yeah, definitely go with 65536 VCIsL503[14:34:09] <20kdc>
otherwise, too many connections and...
<20kdc>
otherwise, too many connections and...L504[14:36:28] <S3> you can have a total
of 512 connections total
L505[14:36:28] <S3> yeah I think 16 bit is
good
L506[14:36:28] <S3> but you could only
have 16 vcis with those 4 bit caps per vpi
L507[14:36:28] <S3> having a 16 bit VCI
with 65536 active connections doesn't mean they're actually doing
anything..
L508[14:37:26] <S3> your real limitation
is VPIs
L509[14:37:51] <S3> VPIS determine how
many machines can be on one network, and VPI 0 is reserved for
talking to that computer.
L510[14:38:45] <S3> 20kdc Fortunately with
NNR protocol (my routiung protocol) VPIs are dynamically
assigned.
L511[14:39:02] <S3> I dunno what Gavle
will be doing.
L512[14:39:18] <S3> but Ocranet will not
work without the VPI / VCI layer
L513[14:40:21] <S3> test
L514[14:40:28] <20kdc> test
confirm
<20kdc> test
confirmL515[14:40:39] <S3> network connection is
being a pita
L516[14:41:02] <S3> Honestly an 8 bit VPI,
is it all that bad?
L517[14:41:30] <S3> who is going to have
255 computers on a network, without having a complicated enough
network to seperate them into two?
L518[14:42:12] <S3> that gives us a 24 bit
(3 byte) header, if VPI is 8 bit and VCI is 16 bit
L519[14:42:38] <20kdc> And,
better yet, you don't need to do as much message packing work
<20kdc> And,
better yet, you don't need to do as much message packing workL520[14:42:56] <S3> but what do you think?
8? 16?
L521[14:42:59] <S3> for VPI
L522[14:43:02] <20kdc> 8
for VPI
<20kdc> 8
for VPIL523[14:43:06] <20kdc> that
way VPI can be decoded via byte and encoded via char, while VCI can
just be dealt with using a mapping table
<20kdc> that
way VPI can be decoded via byte and encoded via char, while VCI can
just be dealt with using a mapping tableL524[14:43:09] <S3> That's what I was
thinking
L525[14:43:30] <S3> because a 16 bit VPI
sounds ridiculous
L526[14:43:41] <S3> backbone loops will
often have no more than 3 switches
L527[14:44:10] <scj643> Hi S3
L528[14:44:18] <S3> hey scj643
L529[14:48:46] <MGR>
Heh
<MGR>
HehL530[14:49:07] <MGR> Nobody
told me that VPI/VCI was part of OCR
<MGR> Nobody
told me that VPI/VCI was part of OCRL531[14:49:21] <MGR> Gavle
and I thought it was routing layer stuff
<MGR> Gavle
and I thought it was routing layer stuffL532[14:49:23] <S3> Not to mention, a
feature of Ocranet I never told anyone about is that you don't need
to have a seperate network on a backbone like you do in an IP
network
L533[14:49:50] <S3> so if you have
computer A ---- Switch ---------------[BACKBONE]------------switch
--- computer B
L534[14:50:01] <S3> the backbone wire
doesn't need to be on a third network, and imo that's awesome
L535[14:50:04] <S3> makes it much
simpler
L536[14:51:01] <S3> you can do that in IP
if they are switches but not routers, in Ocranet routers are
switches, there are no routers. but the switches do routing
L537[14:51:35] <S3> MGR: Yeah, VPI and VCI
are hidden to the user. You don't have to touch it or know it or
understand it
L538[14:51:40] <S3> even as a network
admin
L539[14:51:46] <S3> they are
"automatic"
L540[14:51:53] <S3> and perform the glue
of networks accross Ocranet
L541[14:54:27] <S3> MGR: When routing
happens in Ocranet, it is done before the connection starts
transmitting data host to host. Example, when you look up say a
phone number in GERT, GERT's responsibility is to ensure a) VPIs
and VCIs get set along these switches automatically. b) In the
event of a link failure, the switches update themselves to reroute,
etc (optional, but is
L542[14:54:27] <S3> a feature of GERT from
what I understand).
L543[14:54:44] <S3> there are some other
things that should be done but aren't really required, like
neighbor discovery, etc which is what my NNR protocol does
L544[14:55:01] <S3> so in Ocranet, the
routing protocol is a "configurator"
L545[14:55:09] <S3> it configures
connections, based on lookups.
L546[14:55:46] <S3> Of course there are
several advantages to this MGR
L547[14:56:01] <S3> It allows you to have
full control over what happens on the network, how the network is
built, etc
L548[14:56:37] <S3> it also allows you to
communicate with other routing protocols without caring how the
network is built.
L549[14:56:55] <MGR>
Hmmm
<MGR>
HmmmL550[14:57:01] <S3> so with an Ocranet
routing protocol you can design a network to suit your needs
L551[14:57:11] <S3> with any addressing
format you want, etc
L552[14:59:21] <S3> I dunno if you guys
have voice chat but if it would be easier later we could have a
vocal meeting to sort of get an understanding of this..
L553[14:59:31] <S3> rather than typing
everything out
L554[15:00:12] *
Lizzy mews and snuggles vifino
L555[15:02:29] <MGR> S3, I
can do voice chat on Discord
<MGR> S3, I
can do voice chat on DiscordL556[15:02:41] <MGR>
Probably not today though
<MGR>
Probably not today thoughL557[15:02:52] <MGR> Maybe
Friday?
<MGR> Maybe
Friday?L558[15:02:57] <MGR> Hard
to tell
<MGR> Hard
to tellL559[15:03:04] <S3> maybe. I'm moving on
Friday
L560[15:03:46] <scj643> I can do voice
chat :(
L561[15:04:02] <scj643> S/:(/:)
L562[15:04:02] <S3> and you're sad about
that?
L563[15:04:10] <S3> lol
L564[15:04:17] <scj643> :D
L565[15:04:42] <MGR>
scj643, how are you?
<MGR>
scj643, how are you?L566[15:04:52] <scj643> Good
L567[15:05:03] <scj643> Playing some
CS:GOA
L568[15:05:12] <scj643> CS:GO
L569[15:07:39] <MGR> That's
nice
<MGR> That's
niceL570[15:10:04] <Forecaster> or is
it?!
L571[15:22:20] <ping> scj643, what
want
L572[15:22:21] <ping> wank*
L573[15:22:34] <ping> inb4 silver 1
L574[15:26:31] <scj643> I'm silver 2
L575[15:27:15] <Michiyo> You are number
6
L576[15:27:44] <Michiyo> how to tell if
Lizzy is watching the channel :P
L577[15:31:01] <ping> scj643,
seriously?
L578[15:31:01] <ping> ._.
L579[15:33:15] ***
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L580[15:36:58] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/u2BQuOP
L581[15:42:10] <Forecaster> uh oh, someone
just added a drawing I uploaded to their favourties folder called
"Art I'll Reviewing On My Channel"
L582[15:45:09] <S3> bac
L583[15:45:10] <S3> back*
L584[15:46:55] <Inari> https://i.imgur.com/KhTtAfG.mp4 Where do I buy
this
L585[15:48:45] <Lizzy> Michiyo, I AM NOT A
NUMBER, I AM A FREE WOMAN!
L586[15:48:51] <Michiyo> ^
L587[15:48:53] <Michiyo> lol
L588[15:49:01] <Lizzy> was in shower when
you sent that
L589[15:49:31] <Michiyo> heh
L590[15:49:36] <S3> CompanionCube: how do
I get an OETF number?
L591[15:50:35] <CompanionCube> go bug
solra i guesS?
L592[15:50:39] <CompanionCube> it was
their idea iirc
L593[15:50:42] <Lizzy> ermm, why isn't feh
working
L594[15:50:45] <S3> SolraBizna: Buggy
buggy buggy
L595[15:52:09] <SolraBizna> !
L596[15:52:13] <SolraBizna> how did you
know I was back?
L597[15:52:39] <SolraBizna> how many
numbers do you want and what are they for?
L598[15:52:44] <Lizzy> oh, it is
working
L599[15:52:59] <Lizzy> just terminator's
transparrency got turned off
L600[15:54:42] <SolraBizna> S3: Yggub
yggub yggub
L601[15:54:48] <S3> SolraBizna: I
personally need two for Ocranet: OCR (OCranet Relay), and NNR
(Network to Network Routing)
L602[15:54:55] <S3> both are Ocranet
related
L603[15:55:01] <S3> OCR is the base
protocol
L604[15:55:09] <SolraBizna> OETF #4 is
officially OCR and OETF #5 is officially NNR
L605[15:55:15] <S3> Yay!
L606[15:55:21] <S3> You're the best
L607[15:55:36] <SolraBizna> I really need
to write OETF #2 and #3
L608[15:55:58] <S3> heheh
L609[15:56:43] <S3> SolraBizna: I don't
want to be a bother, but is there a way I can get the bb sourcecode
for OETF #1 or something to use as a template?
L610[15:56:46] <S3> if not I
understand
L611[15:56:50] <S3> I just wanted to be
consistent
L612[15:57:24] <S3> I really appreciated
the formatting you had on that one
L613[16:01:51] <SolraBizna> if you can
tell me how to access the BBcode instead of the crazy rich editor,
you will make me very happy
L614[16:02:28] <SolraBizna> and then I can
make OETF #0: Formatting of OETF Documents
L615[16:03:39] <S3> Oh I see, this is the
first post I've ever done that didn't just show you the code
lol
L616[16:03:39] <S3> (because this is the
first post I've made in about 15 years)
L617[16:04:51] <SolraBizna> what happens
if there's no JavaScript?
L618[16:05:33] <MGR> what
is OETF?
<MGR> what
is OETF?L619[16:05:48] <20kdc>
probably a standards organization
<20kdc>
probably a standards organizationL620[16:06:15] <SolraBizna> it's like IETF
except for OpenComputers
L621[16:06:23] <MGR> what's
IETF? XD
<MGR> what's
IETF? XDL622[16:06:32] <SolraBizna> have you heard
of RFCs?
L623[16:06:35] <MGR>
nope
<MGR>
nopeL624[16:06:36] ***
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L625[16:07:04] <SolraBizna> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459 <-- here's an
example of an RFC
L626[16:07:56] <Gavle> alright
L627[16:08:09] <Gavle> then can I have an
OETF number for GERT?
L628[16:09:06] <SolraBizna> what's it
stand for again?
L629[16:10:15] <Gavle> Global Empire
Routing Technology
L630[16:10:24] <Gavle> It's the official
Ocranet routing standard
L631[16:11:00] <SolraBizna> OETF #6
L632[16:11:41] <Gavle> thank you
L633[16:12:56] <SolraBizna> who do we ask
about BBcode nonsense?
L634[16:13:52] <Gavle> BBcode?
L635[16:14:16] <SolraBizna> how to use
instead of the rich editor
L636[16:14:37] <Gavle> ?
L637[16:14:49] <SolraBizna> on the OC
forum
L638[16:15:02] <SolraBizna> it has a fancy
rich editor, but I want code
L639[16:17:32] *
Gavle shrugs
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L641[16:21:00] <Gavle> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/GERT
L642[16:21:08] <S3> I wish I could save a
post before posting it
L643[16:21:14] <SolraBizna> S3: for now...
the draft warning is 24pt bold dull red, the main headings are 18pt
bold, and the subheadings are 14pt bold
L644[16:21:29] <Gavle> Now the GE
repository for GERT has a list of used OC network card ports and
GERTe telephone numbers
L645[16:21:34] <SolraBizna> should begin
with an Abstract, then a Rationale
L646[16:21:36] <S3> yeah I'm literally
copy pasting the headers so they are the same size and color and
changing them
L647[16:21:37] <S3> XD
L648[16:21:38] <Gavle> everyone is welcome
to apply!
L649[16:21:40] <SolraBizna> lol
L650[16:22:11] <Gavle> so, where is this
OETF?
L651[16:22:14] <Gavle> what do I have to
do?
L652[16:22:21] <SolraBizna> on the OC
forum
L653[16:23:00] <SolraBizna> make a post
tagged "draft, standard", prefix "draft",
subject would be "OETF #6: Global Empire Routing
Technology"
L654[16:23:09] <Gavle> ah ok
L655[16:23:17] <Gavle> yo MGR, can you do
that?
L656[16:23:32] <MGR> yep,
but not right away
<MGR> yep,
but not right awayL657[16:24:37] <S3> SolraBizna: ^
L658[16:24:53] <SolraBizna> ??
L659[16:27:16] <S3> SolraBizna: I have no
idea I think I wrote that 10 mins ago and it just lagged until
now
L660[16:28:51] <Gavle> ~w tunnel
L661[16:28:51] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:tunnel
L662[16:31:17] <Gavle> This card generates
modem_message signals of the same format network cards do.
L663[16:31:32] <Gavle> Does that include
the port number, because linked cards don't have ports
L664[16:31:38] <Gavle> If so, what's the
port number, 0?
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L668[17:00:51] <payonel> %seen
xarses
L669[17:00:52] <MichiBot> xarses was last
seen 25d 2h 6m 52s ago.
L670[17:00:56] <payonel> o_O
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L672[17:04:31] <MGR>
payonel, are you working on something with xarses?
<MGR>
payonel, are you working on something with xarses?L673[17:04:44] ⇦
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L674[17:04:55] <payonel> i just like his
feedback on the things i do
L675[17:04:59] <payonel> haven't had him
around in a long time
L676[17:05:02] <payonel> :(
L677[17:06:26] <MGR> I can
leave feedback
<MGR> I can
leave feedbackL678[17:06:53] <MGR>
Probably underprepared, but it can be a layman's perspective!
<MGR>
Probably underprepared, but it can be a layman's perspective!L679[17:07:09] ⇦
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L680[17:07:14] <payonel> aren't you anti
devfs? :P
L681[17:08:12] <MGR> Anti
devfs being a file system
<MGR> Anti
devfs being a file systemL682[17:08:20] <MGR> The
functions are good people though
<MGR> The
functions are good people thoughL683[17:08:39] <payonel> even though the
functions already exist? :)
L684[17:08:47] <payonel> like,
component.eeprom.get()
L685[17:09:17] <MGR>
Afk
<MGR>
AfkL686[17:09:26] <MGR> Your
call is very important to us
<MGR> Your
call is very important to usL687[17:09:48] <MGR> Please
stay on the line and we will patch you through to the first
available representative
<MGR> Please
stay on the line and we will patch you through to the first
available representativeL688[17:10:04] <MGR> *plays
hold music that always seems to have lots of static*
<MGR> *plays
hold music that always seems to have lots of static*L689[17:11:18] <Skye> the static is from
the phone line
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L691[17:14:06] <S3> SolraBizna: Revision 1
is out: https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1169-oetf-4-ocranet-family-of-protocols-ocr-ocranet-relay/
L692[17:14:47] <SolraBizna> visiting that
page logged me out
L693[17:15:00] <S3> I know I missed
something, but I will revise it when I remember
L694[17:15:06] <S3> submitting that post
logged me out
L695[17:15:12] <Michiyo> GJ guys..
:P
L696[17:15:12] <S3> and I was like OH SHIT
DID I LOSE IT?!
L697[17:15:13] <S3> lol
L698[17:15:17] <Michiyo> Lemme just
approve that post...
L699[17:15:21] <Michiyo> or maybe I'll
wait
L700[17:15:45] <S3> you should read it
over first..
L701[17:15:51] <S3> make sure I'm not
missing something
L702[17:15:52] <Michiyo> Nah
L703[17:15:58] <Michiyo> that takes
effort..
L704[17:16:03] <Michiyo> and fuck that
shit
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L706[17:22:29] <MGR>
payonel, my afk just expanded by potentially hours
<MGR>
payonel, my afk just expanded by potentially hoursL707[17:22:34] <MGR> I'll
have to get back to you later
<MGR> I'll
have to get back to you laterL708[17:24:16] ⇦
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L709[17:27:11] <Gavle> you are using all
your one liners, what happens when you run out?
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L711[17:43:57] <SolraBizna> quick
L712[17:44:27] <SolraBizna> should
booleans be tag-followed-by-value, or should the value be encoded
in the tag?
L713[17:46:08] <SolraBizna> I'll make it
the latter
L714[17:46:25] <SolraBizna> Nobody will
notice if it breaks my bootloader because it isn't currently
CAB-compliant anyway
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L716[18:05:00] <SolraBizna> Java UUIDs are
RFC 4122 UUIDs, right?
L717[18:18:12] <Skye> SolraBizna, they're
the UUID you find on wikipedia
L718[18:18:15] <Skye> like
L719[18:18:20] <Skye> when you search for
UUID
L720[18:19:06] <SolraBizna> seems like a
yes, then
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finishing
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L727[18:57:24] <S3> so
L728[18:57:47] <S3> SolraBizna: that
couldbe version 1, 4... etc
L729[18:58:15] <S3> OC uses version 4
UUIDs
L730[18:58:25] <S3> I usually use version1
because version 1 is based on time
L731[18:58:47] <S3> I prefer to be able to
predict what a UUID is going to be like
L732[19:02:25] <SolraBizna> I put a note
in OETF #2 that UUIDs are not purely random
L733[19:02:36] <SolraBizna> even the
random one has that one fixed nybble
L734[19:05:05] <MGR>
payonel, I'm back
<MGR>
payonel, I'm backL735[19:05:18] <MGR> I
don't like the filesystem representation, no
<MGR> I
don't like the filesystem representation, noL736[19:15:52] <MGR>
SolraBizna: https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1171-oetf-6-global-empire-routing-technology/
<MGR>
SolraBizna: https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1171-oetf-6-global-empire-routing-technology/L737[19:17:24] <S3> okay MGR
L738[19:17:25] <S3> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1169-oetf-4-ocranet-family-of-protocols-ocr-ocranet-relay/
L739[19:17:29] <S3> MGR Surprise!
L740[19:17:31] <S3> ^
L741[19:18:02] <MGR>
Awesome!
<MGR>
Awesome!L742[19:18:08] <MGR> I'll
have to read it tomorrow
<MGR> I'll
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L745[19:18:57] <S3> aww
L746[19:19:02] <S3> Gavle|Away:
L747[19:19:19] <S3> SolraBizna: UUIDs are
pseudo random
L748[19:20:06] <S3> There's no true
randomness with FSMs...
L749[19:21:30] <S3> CompanionCube: ^
L750[19:21:33] <S3> oops
L751[19:21:34] <S3> CompanionCube:
https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1169-oetf-4-ocranet-family-of-protocols-ocr-ocranet-relay/
L752[19:22:31] <CompanionCube> neat
L753[19:26:24] <S3> I wonder if I am
missing something...
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L755[19:34:40] <S3> revision 0.1.2 now
out
L756[19:35:03] <Xal> of what
L757[19:36:28] <S3> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1169-oetf-4-ocranet-family-of-protocols-ocr-ocranet-relay/
L758[19:46:16] <S3> xal: Not sure if that
stuff makes any sense to you or not
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L765[20:40:34] <S3> WHAT THE HELL
L766[20:40:42] <S3> LOOK WHAT MY CAT DID:
https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1172-oetf-5-ocranet-family-of-protocols-nnr-network-to-network-routing/
L767[20:40:45] <S3> I wasn't ready
:(
L768[20:48:59] <TwentyTwoHundred>
alright
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L770[21:03:58] <Mimiru> Anyone here ever
build android apps on Jenkins?
L771[21:18:45] <gamax92> S3:
8t55555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555DBS
L772[21:18:52] <S3> heh
L773[21:19:01] <gamax92> V AXc
L774[21:19:13] <S3> yeah I know the cat
lied on my keyboard then hit the submit button
L775[21:19:21] <gamax92> so why have you
not fixed it
L776[21:19:28] <gamax92> it's been 40
minutes
L777[21:22:07] <TwentyTwoHundred>
:^)
L778[21:24:23] <S3> gamax92: so when an
NNR switch that coordinates the network goes down
L779[21:24:34] <S3> each switch battles it
out.. no actually what happens is that they vote
L780[21:24:42] <S3> but it is kind of like
a battle
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L782[21:24:59] <S3> should that message
name be called DEIFY or APOTHEOUN
L783[21:25:01] <CompanionCube> S3: so
basically it does a leader election thing
L784[21:25:05] <S3> yes
L785[21:25:25] <S3> in OCR NNR this is
called the "Loop Coordinator"
L786[21:25:28] <CompanionCube> well, idfk
what APTOHEOUN means but DEIFY sounds cool
L787[21:25:33] <S3> yes
L788[21:25:39] <S3> apotheoun means to
make king
L789[21:25:43] <S3> DEIFY means
worship
L790[21:25:44] <S3> as a new god
L791[21:27:32] <S3> I am not sure quite
how I will do this yet, but I believe an easy way to do it, is to
make each switch count its routes in the routing table and DEFIY
the link local address that has the most routes they point to, as a
vote
L792[21:27:32] <S3> The switch that gains
the most DEIFY votes becomes the new Loop Coordinator
L793[21:38:05] <S3> LOL
L794[21:38:10] <S3> 0x05 NOPEYOUCANT
L795[21:38:25] <S3> "Sorry, that
address is in use, pick another"
L796[21:49:14] <gamax92> 0x06
GETLOSTBUD
L797[21:54:52] <Mimiru> 0x07
FUCKERRYTHANG
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L799[21:55:40] <Antheus> Since everyone in
my house is backing up/updating their old/new phones, my internet
speed is nonexistant
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L801[22:05:36] <payonel> mgr: i'm not
trying to argue this with you, but i'm only curious about your
perspective on things. on a real linux system, how do you feel
about /dev ?
L802[22:05:41] <payonel> gamax92: o/
L803[22:06:41] <gamax92> hey
L804[22:07:12] <Mimiru> 31 builds later..
I got a successful APK from jenkins
L805[22:08:39] <vifino>
congratulations.
L806[22:09:48] <Mimiru> And then I broke
it
L807[22:09:48] <Mimiru> lmao
L808[22:10:36] <vifino>
congratulations...?
L809[22:10:41] <vifino> wait, no.
L810[22:10:47] <snowden89> i myself only
/dev on artificial linux systems
L811[22:10:49] <vifino> i meant
'fail.'.
L812[22:11:02] <snowden89> leave the real
ones in the wild so the population wont decline
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workstation
L814[22:11:36] <payonel> pretty sure it
was cofhtweaks that was breakings chests closing, pressure plates
firing redstone signals correctly, etc
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L817[22:59:04] <S3> here
L818[22:59:05] <S3> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1172-oetf-5-ocranet-family-of-protocols-nnr-network-to-network-routing/
L819[22:59:26] <S3> not finished. the cat
hit enter a while back, and now I'm tired and dont want to finish
it all at once but it's almost done
L820[22:59:39] <S3> OETF #4 has OCR.
L821[22:59:46] <S3> but that's OETF
5
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