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L29[03:44:15] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfhtHRdaAnA neat
L30[03:44:15] <MichiBot> Skyblivion Teaser Trailer - Return To Cyrodiil | length: 4m 19s | Likes: 16,788 Dislikes: 585 Views: 966,374 | by Rebelzize | Published On 9/12/2016
L31[03:45:52] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw1IRJpJsXQ ~
L32[03:45:52] <MichiBot> (Monster Musume) 天奈夭奈母件旦 Papi Dance 10 hours | length: 10h 59s | Likes: 516 Dislikes: 6 Views: 38,620 | by Matthew Warren | Published On 21/9/2015
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L45[06:28:04] <Inari> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/ShareX/2017/01/2017-01-02_13-27-39_o6ZUFh.png o.o
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L57[08:26:39] <Forecaster> http://xkcd.com/1780/
L58[08:26:39] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Appliance Repair Posted on: 1/2/2017
L59[08:27:12] <Mimiru> lol...
L60[08:27:29] <Forecaster> "Well there's your problem"
L61[08:29:11] <Skye> Forecaster, Mimiru: me with computers
L62[08:29:47] <Mimiru> Damn it.. people keep making helpful feature suggestions... so I keep having to implement them
L63[08:29:48] <Mimiru> lol
L64[08:30:07] <Forecaster> Curse them!
L65[08:30:42] <20kdc> could <INSERT BOT NAME HERE> detect if people are posting something potentially lewd and put a hashtag after it?
L66[08:30:54] <Forecaster> no
L67[08:30:57] <Mimiru> No :D
L68[08:31:35] <Forecaster> well, technically yes
L69[08:31:39] <Forecaster> but not worth the effort
L70[08:32:16] <Nikky> it would be rather simple if you just use a regex filter
L71[08:32:45] <Nikky> for something more advanced like opening urls etc.. probably not worth the effort
L72[08:33:50] <Mimiru> Actually... I could, I stumbled across something a while back that with like 95% accuracy could tell you if a image was pornographic and it was adjustable
L73[08:33:54] <Mimiru> but.. effort :p
L74[08:33:57] <Mimiru> anyway work
L75[08:34:09] <Forecaster> I basically said that already!
L76[08:48:33] <vifino> Mimiru: you mean this? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc-f_woWAAAq01U.jpg:large
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L78[08:52:13] <Forecaster> we could just have it follow any link Inari posts with "Probably lewd"
L79[08:56:17] <Forecaster> would probably cover most of it :P
L80[08:56:29] <Saphire> So, we need a bot?
L81[08:57:10] <Forecaster> if it was a serious suggestion MichiBot could do it easily enough
L82[09:01:04] <Michiyo> vifino, nah... this one could actually tell you *WHICH* sexual act was taking place :P
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L84[09:23:18] <Eleria> ^^
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L86[09:48:04] <MGR> Izaya
L87[09:48:14] <MGR> How's that pull request going?
L88[09:48:20] <MGR> It seems lost in the mail
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L91[10:38:42] <Forecaster> oh wow
L92[10:38:53] <Forecaster> someone downloaded the linux version of my application
L93[10:39:26] <Michiyo> Nice
L94[10:44:08] * Inari wonders why noone ever uses Kiloliters and Megaliters
L95[10:44:41] <20kdc> Forecaster: which application?
L96[10:44:55] <Saphire> Inari: Uh..
L97[10:45:02] <20kdc> I tried doing research instead of asking for once, but that failed horribly.
L98[10:45:15] <Saphire> Because then it's just cubic meters?
L99[10:45:39] <Forecaster> @20kdc: https://github.com/Forecaster/cmdrs-log-continued
L100[10:47:42] <20kdc> If it wasn't for the fact that Electron isn't a commonly installed thing, and it makes your application downloads *really big*, I'd be using it for everything. Right now I end up having to use Java to get the same blend of cross-platform and ease of use.
L101[10:47:48] <20kdc> ?
L102[10:48:01] <Forecaster> I don't use electron
L103[10:48:12] <20kdc> ...then what *are* you using...?
L104[10:48:22] <20kdc> (and for another matter, how are the downloads 50MiB?)
L105[10:48:42] <Inari> Saphire: Then why not use cubic decimeters instead of liters :P
L106[10:48:59] <Saphire> Because it's shorter?
L107[10:49:10] <Inari> so is kiloliter
L108[10:49:14] <20kdc> Forecaster: ah, you're using nw.js
L109[10:49:22] <20kdc> Forecaster: ...which has the exact same problem
L110[10:49:29] <Forecaster> yep
L111[10:49:40] <Forecaster> but you don't have to have it installed
L112[10:49:50] <20kdc> You don't need to have Electron installed either...
L113[10:49:57] <Forecaster> I know
L114[10:49:59] <20kdc> ...the issue is that in either case, *the applications are massive*
L115[10:50:19] <Forecaster> because it includes electron/nw.js itself :P
L116[10:50:31] <Forecaster> and all the libraries and stuff
L117[10:50:45] <Forecaster> but it's nice to develop in
L118[10:52:05] <20kdc> For internal development it's great, as it's just a matter of making sure there's a copy of the runtime somewhere on the machine, but the issue is that I might as well use Haxe + LOVE on the basis that LOVE is installable and runs on Android. Or Java, since everybody has it.
L119[10:53:20] <Forecaster> I don't know those first two
L120[10:53:35] <Forecaster> and making GUI's in Java is a pain
L121[10:54:23] <20kdc> Well, yeah, it is, I'll agree. I ended up writing my own UI framework to go on top of it anyway because I wanted to *not depend on Swing* which is Java SE only.
L122[10:55:40] <20kdc> I may have a small case of Not Invented Here.
L123[10:55:57] <Forecaster> wut
L124[10:58:35] <Michiyo> I hit 85 downloads last night \o/
L125[10:58:45] <Forecaster> for the game app?
L126[10:58:47] <Forecaster> :D
L127[10:58:57] <Michiyo> yeah
L128[10:58:59] <20kdc> that's more than I ever got, on anything, unless I've been miscounting... ?
L129[10:59:11] <Forecaster> I'm at 35 total
L130[10:59:20] <Forecaster> 14 of those is the latest release
L131[10:59:29] <Forecaster> http://www.somsubhra.com/github-release-stats/?username=Forecaster&repository=cmdrs-log-continued
L132[10:59:47] <Forecaster> that's a great site by the way
L133[11:00:03] <Forecaster> because github doesn't have a way of seeing downloads of releases other than through the api
L134[11:00:07] <Forecaster> for some reason
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L139[11:47:02] <Izaya> %whopinged
L140[11:47:23] <Forecaster> mgr
L141[11:47:29] <Izaya> oh
L142[11:47:30] <Izaya> ok
L143[11:47:42] * Izaya goes back to GTA
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L146[11:59:12] <MGR> Izayaaaaa
L147[11:59:55] <MGR> Izaya, produce code, or I am going to have to believe that you're lyingggg
L148[12:02:47] <Forecaster> https://twitter.com/paleblurs/status/815799312768794624
L149[12:02:47] <MichiBot> Sun Jan 01 23:58:07 CST 2017 @paleblurs: i've been laughing at this set of pictures for 38 minutes straight https://t.co/igWXmmAubp
L150[12:07:20] <Izaya> MGR, pay me
L151[12:07:29] <Izaya> bug bounty or bust
L152[12:08:58] <Izaya> I'll take my payment as 100k GTA:V online moneys
L153[12:17:42] <S3> wat
L154[12:17:55] <S3> Forecaster: WTF
L155[12:18:13] <Forecaster> ?
L156[12:30:09] <S3> Forecaster: that cat
L157[12:36:01] <MGR> Izaya, I can't pay you in GTA:V money because I don't have GTA
L158[12:36:07] <MGR> I can pay you in minerats though
L159[12:36:09] <Lizzy> skrub
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L162[12:41:22] <Izaya> I just had two great idead
L163[12:41:27] <Izaya> ifras
L164[12:41:35] <Izaya> idead
L165[12:41:49] <MGR> ?
L166[12:41:55] <Izaya> disclaimer it's 6 AM and I've been up since 5 yesterday
L167[12:42:23] <Izaya> 1. remove luci from openwrt to get more space and install tinc or cjdns
L168[12:42:35] <Stary> lol
L169[12:42:43] <Izaya> 2. run an IRC bot on OpenWRT
L170[12:42:56] <Izaya> I have a lua IRC bot
L171[12:43:11] <MGR> Izaya, or you can give me the code so I know you aren't lying
L172[12:43:45] <Izaya> MGR: it was in the repl a week ago on a computer 300km away
L173[12:43:55] <Izaya> and I'm playing GTA
L174[12:44:08] <MGR> repl?
L175[12:44:45] <Izaya> read eval print loop
L176[12:45:29] <MGR> ?
L177[12:47:17] <Izaya> input
L178[12:47:18] <Izaya> run code
L179[12:47:23] <Izaya> print result
L180[12:47:28] <Izaya> lua on any unix box
L181[12:47:41] <MGR> ah
L182[12:47:44] <CompanionCube> Izaya: ayy
L183[12:47:46] <MGR> so, you don't actually have the code
L184[12:48:15] * CompanionCube now has a different *mute-related wallpaper
L185[12:49:08] <Izaya> well
L186[12:49:14] <Izaya> I have a script to break it
L187[12:49:24] <Izaya> but not the optomised hash crap
L188[12:49:52] <MGR> Izaya, you can send me just the script right now
L189[12:50:02] <Izaya> can't
L190[12:50:08] <Michiyo> lolol.. isitporn.com fail and I can't share it heh
L191[12:50:11] <Izaya> if I tab out GTA breaks
L192[12:50:26] <Izaya> may be due to running it at 8k
L193[12:50:57] <MGR> Izaya, well, do it when you can please
L194[12:52:37] <Izaya> Lizzy: you've played a lot of GTA
L195[12:52:46] <Izaya> how do I get like 200k quickly?
L196[12:53:01] <Lizzy> heists
L197[12:53:44] <Lizzy> when you get the ability to join them from your phone, do that. even if you only end up doing the odd ones you still get a fair bit of money from them
L198[12:54:17] <Gavle> ~w modem
L199[12:54:17] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:modem
L200[12:54:23] <Michiyo> I miss GTA, maybe one day I'll figure out how to make the day longer and have time for stuff like that lol
L201[12:54:52] <Michiyo> Or I can just start making bank on android apps and quit my day job, lulz
L202[12:54:53] <Lizzy> I go back to work tomorrow.... kinda half looking forward to it and kinda half not lol
L203[12:54:56] <Izaya> Michiyo: just don't sleep
L204[12:55:05] <Michiyo> Izaya, I tried that, doesn't work anymore
L205[12:55:22] * Izaya has a pile of energy drink cans stacked neatly under his desk
L206[12:55:25] <Michiyo> Long ago, I could do 36 hours with no issue, 48 wasn't totally uncommon..
L207[12:55:29] <Michiyo> now i'm lucky to do 12 :P
L208[12:55:55] <Michiyo> 4:30 rolls around and I'm wanting to take a nap...
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L210[12:56:01] <Michiyo> Don't get old kids.. it sucks :/
L211[12:56:07] <Lizzy> :/
L212[12:56:58] <Lizzy> right, since I have work tomorrow i should probably start packing my laptop bag up again
L213[12:57:07] <Inari> Just don't get kids in general
L214[12:57:45] <Michiyo> Inari, as a parent of 2, can confirm they sap the energy out of ya.. lol
L215[12:57:55] <Lizzy> but who can you possess if you die?
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L217[12:58:25] <perryprog> Hello?
L218[12:58:33] <Lizzy> yes
L219[12:58:39] <Inari> Ya hallo
L220[12:58:47] <perryprog> Cool! Using the OC irc floppy
L221[12:59:10] <Inari> You should come join us with a regular client
L222[12:59:21] * Lizzy slow claps https://www.theender.net/shx/zion/ApplicationFrameHost_2017-01-02_18-59-08.png
L223[12:59:24] <Inari> Temia is still gone :<
L224[13:00:01] <Michiyo> perryprog, if you think that's good, grab oppm, and then install wocchat :P
L225[13:00:27] <perryprog> I noticed when I ran `install irc` it installed it on the hard drive, is there anyway I can put installed floppys on $PATH? Is that even a thing on OpenOS?
L226[13:01:05] <Lizzy> what do you mean, "installed floppys"?
L227[13:01:43] <perryprog> Erm, I attached a disk drive and put in the irc floppy. Then I ran `install irc` and it asked me which HDD to install it on
L228[13:01:49] <perryprog> Did I do this wrong? xD
L229[13:02:07] <Gavle> ~w event
L230[13:02:07] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:event
L231[13:02:27] <Lizzy> nope, that is the correct way, after doing that you should be able to just type irc into the terminalk
L232[13:02:30] <Lizzy> *terminal
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L234[13:02:46] <perryprog> Hmm....
L235[13:02:55] <perryprog> Alright one sec
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L238[13:03:21] <perryprog> Nope
L239[13:03:49] <Lizzy> hmm
L240[13:03:59] <perryprog> It says in install irc blah, type `install irc`. I did that and now I have to type /mnt/123/bin/irc perryprog
L241[13:04:03] <perryprog> to*
L242[13:04:21] <Lizzy> erm, did you install openos first?
L243[13:04:26] <perryprog> Yeah
L244[13:04:41] <Lizzy> do ls /bin and see if irc.lua is listed there
L245[13:04:53] <perryprog> k
L246[13:05:00] <perryprog> gonna rejoin over freenode this time
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L248[13:05:09] <Lizzy> freenode?
L249[13:05:14] <Michiyo> umm.. lol
L250[13:05:20] <Lizzy> i'm guessing he means another clinet
L251[13:05:24] <Lizzy> but i'm not sure
L252[13:05:26] <Michiyo> hopefully :P
L253[13:05:40] <Lizzy> do we even have a channel on freenode?
L254[13:06:10] <Lizzy> oh, um. that's nice
L255[13:06:13] <Michiyo> well.. we didn't before now sure enough, they joined #oc on freenode
L256[13:06:26] <Lizzy> so that's what vultr meant by the email they sent out
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L258[13:06:37] <Lizzy> ¬_¬
L259[13:06:38] <Michiyo> or.. maybe so it seems registered as neither of us have +o
L260[13:06:40] <Michiyo> Lizzy, ?
L261[13:07:11] <Lizzy> the host node that runs janus (VPS from vultr) got rebooted about 12 hours ago
L262[13:07:45] <Michiyo> -ChanServ- Information on #OC:
L263[13:07:45] <Michiyo> -ChanServ- Founder : freenode-staff
L264[13:07:45] <Michiyo> -ChanServ- Registered : Feb 27 19:53:43 2006 (10y 44w 3d ago)
L265[13:07:46] <Michiyo> wut
L266[13:07:52] <Michiyo> lol
L267[13:08:03] <Forecaster> wut
L268[13:08:11] <Lizzy> rather than migrating the virtual servers to another physical box they just rebooted the damn t hing
L269[13:08:19] <Michiyo> that's... special
L270[13:08:20] <Michiyo> :/
L271[13:09:01] <Lizzy> yup, and the email i got from vultr came in about 5 minutes after i got an email stating that janus was unreachable
L272[13:09:16] <Michiyo> O_o
L273[13:09:58] <Lizzy> only stuff that would have been affected is the DNS stuff and any websites i host other than the OC forums
L274[13:11:34] <Michiyo> I should set a bot in there "If you're looking for OpenComputers support, we're on irc.esper.net" lol
L275[13:11:44] <Forecaster> :P
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L277[13:12:23] <perryprog> Massive face palm. I was using free node accidentally.
L278[13:12:27] <CompanionCube> iirc freenode-staff means something special
L279[13:12:31] <Lizzy> we did wonder that
L280[13:12:43] <perryprog> Here's what's happening
L281[13:12:44] <perryprog> http://imgur.com/a/fgIyQ
L282[13:12:46] <Michiyo> Oh hai!
L283[13:12:50] <Michiyo> welcome back :P
L284[13:12:57] <perryprog> yt
L285[13:13:00] <perryprog> ty*
L286[13:13:19] <CompanionCube> freenode have a weird policy for channels, not sure how many people follow it though
L287[13:13:31] <perryprog> Yea, I wouldn't know
L288[13:13:49] <perryprog> I figured it all was the same thing, just different UI.
L289[13:13:58] <Lizzy> perryprog, Ah, run "df" and see which /mnt/xxx/ path corresponds with your "/" mount point
L290[13:14:20] <CompanionCube> perryprog: nope - every IRC 'network' is a completely different entity
L291[13:14:28] <perryprog> Good to know
L292[13:14:34] <Lizzy> there was a webchat link on the forums, though i seem to have forgotten to readd that
L293[13:14:40] <Lizzy> CompanionCube, well
L294[13:15:10] <perryprog> What do you mean cube?
L295[13:15:49] <perryprog> If you reload the link, I added a screenshot of `df`
L296[13:16:20] <Lizzy> ah, perryprog did you reboot after running the initial install for openos?
L297[13:16:28] <CompanionCube> perryprog: you know how there's different websites, chat services, forums and such?
L298[13:16:46] <perryprog> Yes lizzy
L299[13:16:57] <perryprog> I could start from scratch just in case
L300[13:17:10] <perryprog> And also yes cube
L301[13:17:32] <perryprog> I just don't know much about IRC
L302[13:17:37] <Lizzy> before you try that, take the OpenOS floppy disk out of any disk drives you have. it looks like the computer is still booting from it maybe
L303[13:18:17] <perryprog> I took it out, but now there's no filesystem...
L304[13:18:24] <perryprog> I think I installed it wrong :p
L305[13:18:35] <CompanionCube> perryprog: IRC is similar - while they all use the same common protocol, they may have different contents, different rules and are managed by different people
L306[13:18:38] <Lizzy> sounds like it, try again from scratch
L307[13:20:39] <perryprog> There we go!
L308[13:20:44] <perryprog> I had never run `install openos
L309[13:20:53] <Lizzy> ah, lol
L310[13:21:11] <Forecaster> well, there' your problem
L311[13:21:16] <Forecaster> there's*
L312[13:21:47] <perryprog> Now what packages should I install via OOPM...
L313[13:22:54] <perryprog> oppm*
L314[13:24:10] <Michiyo> wocchat it's like the IRC program but better
L315[13:25:27] <perryprog> K
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L318[13:26:14] <perryprog> Hello!
L319[13:26:29] <perryprog> Using wocchat now. *mind explodes*
L320[13:27:23] <perryprog> Thanks for all the help. I have to go now. o/
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L322[13:37:00] <Lizzy> there, irc webchat is back on the forums in some sense
L323[13:37:34] <Forecaster> the sense of smell!
L324[13:43:44] <Michiyo> huh... there is no free custom pages mod for IPB4 :/
L325[13:43:48] <Michiyo> MAybe I'll write one
L326[13:47:09] <Michiyo> $100 bucks for IP.Pages :/
L327[13:47:11] <Michiyo> sheesh
L328[13:52:28] <S3> my domain name is good until april
L329[13:52:30] <S3> yay
L330[13:52:41] * S3 has the best domain name ever
L331[13:56:43] <Forecaster> what's that?
L332[14:00:45] <Mettaton_Fab> wait, how do i install irc.lua again?
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L338[14:27:53] <Inari> Haha
L339[14:28:00] <Inari> this is probably ancient, but I love it:
L340[14:28:28] <Inari> English is a difficult language. It can be understood through tough thorough thought, though.
L341[14:29:09] <Michiyo> Man, English sucks
L342[14:29:10] <Michiyo> lol
L343[14:32:14] <Michiyo> http://puu.sh/t8YlA/dbc1a99d20.jpg
L344[14:32:19] <Michiyo> As I said... English sucks.
L345[14:33:33] <Forecaster> meh
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L347[14:46:22] <Antheus> me
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L349[14:51:02] <Forecaster> you
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L351[14:57:45] <Inari> Michiyo: I assume you know the buffalo thing
L352[15:02:14] <Michiyo> Yes
L353[15:02:23] <Inari> I love that one
L354[15:02:23] <Inari> :D
L355[15:02:55] <Forecaster> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/monty-hall-problems
L356[15:03:02] <Antheus> .
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L358[15:16:25] <Forecaster> http://m.imgur.com/gallery/maHXv
L359[15:29:25] <Izaya> @MGR still here?
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L361[15:33:09] <Mimiru> @MGR ^
L362[15:34:03] <Michiyo> @Status @@MajGenRelativity
L363[15:34:05] <Michiyo> err
L364[15:34:08] <Michiyo> @Status @MajGenRelativity
L365[15:34:12] <Michiyo> ._>
L366[15:34:16] <Michiyo> @status @MajGenRelativity
L367[15:34:17] <Corded> Michiyo: MajGenRelativity is currently AWAY
L368[15:34:26] <Michiyo> Good to know I don't .toLowerCase the input.. lol
L369[15:35:34] <Stary> lol
L370[15:48:03] <Mettaton_Fab> i think i got lava-runner to hang up.
L371[15:48:31] <Mettaton_Fab> or i just found a bug.
L372[15:52:14] <Forecaster> oh hey
L373[15:52:17] <Forecaster> chair server lives
L374[15:53:49] <Michiyo> \0/
L375[15:55:27] <Mettaton_Fab> *epic voice* IT IS ALIVE!
L376[15:56:19] <Forecaster> I just watched nerdcubed play a terrible game called "Streamer Simulator"
L377[15:57:09] <Forecaster> it made me want to make a game like that, but where you by accident discover you're in some kinda simulation, kind of like the trueman show
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L380[15:59:24] <Izaya> 22 lines of lua to defeat MGR's hash checking
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L384[16:30:10] <Mettaton_Fab> how do i uninstall openOffice?
L385[16:34:28] <Xal> emerge -cav app-office/openoffice
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L390[16:56:54] <CompanionCube> Mettaton_Fab: did you install gentoo(tm)
L391[17:10:17] <Xal> house on fire? install gentoo
L392[17:10:39] <Xal> install gentoo on your nest(tm) thermostat to stop the house burning down
L393[17:11:56] <Mettaton_Fab> i want to uninstall openoffice since i now installed LibreOffice
L394[17:17:48] <MGR> Izaya, I have arrived
L395[17:17:57] <MGR> Back from seeing Rogue One, and about to eat dinner
L396[17:18:15] <CompanionCube> they posted the code for the breaker thing
L397[17:18:20] <CompanionCube> it's 22 lines.
L398[17:18:22] <Izaya> fucking hell
L399[17:18:29] <Izaya> I was about to sleep
L400[17:19:26] <Izaya> https://github.com/XeonSquared/OC-Stuff/blob/master/antibagel.lua
L401[17:19:31] <MGR> Thanks
L402[17:19:37] <Izaya> ~enjoy~
L403[17:19:44] <MGR> I will
L404[17:19:47] <MGR> Heh antibagel
L405[17:19:56] <Izaya> wake me up when you've decided to use existing crypto
L406[17:19:56] <MGR> Someone else already made that
L407[17:20:02] <MGR> And then I defeated it
L408[17:21:06] <CompanionCube> but not this one
L409[17:21:18] <MGR> Nope
L410[17:21:23] <MGR> not until v1.4
L411[17:21:42] <CompanionCube> does 1.4 include actually standard crypto
L412[17:21:50] <CompanionCube> heck, even CRC32 would be better i'd bet
L413[17:23:37] <Michiyo> I wonder if https://github.com/openresty/lua-nginx-module/blob/master/t/lib/CRC32.lua would work :P
L414[17:35:38] <Xal> please never mention the words "crc" and "crypto" in the same sentence again, thanks
L415[17:40:47] <CompanionCube> Xal: their current 'security' is literally summing ASCII values
L416[17:41:36] <CompanionCube> also, did you think I'm recommending it as anything that's not just less-terrible
L417[17:42:09] <Kodos> I wonder if my idea I had a while back on ROT13 based encryption would be better or worse
L418[17:42:51] <Xal> what are we talking about that is using a sum for cryptography purposes?
L419[17:43:06] <CompanionCube> Xal: MGR's validation thing
L420[17:43:16] <CompanionCube> it's how he detects modified code in the installer
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L422[17:43:41] <Xal> lol why would you do that?
L423[17:43:42] <Kodos> Couldn't you just match the MD5 to a value stored somewhere that isn't within Minecraft
L424[17:44:13] <CompanionCube> Xal: https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/TACEATS/blob/master/TACEATS2/TACEATS2%20-%20Installer.lua
L425[17:44:43] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OC-Programs/blob/master/Libraries/bagel.lua
L426[17:44:49] <Xal> Kodos: *cough* https://hastebin.com/raw/xixutocoji *cough*
L427[17:46:23] <Kodos> I have no idea what I'm looking at
L428[17:46:37] <CompanionCube> most likely MD5 collisions or some shit given context
L429[17:47:07] <Xal> try calculating the md5 sum of those 128 bytes
L430[17:47:15] <Xal> you'll get 79054025255fb1a26e4bc422aef54eb4
L431[17:47:50] <Xal> In fact, an algorithm exists to create 2 streams of data of arbitrary length that have the same md5
L432[17:47:50] <Kodos> Well
L433[17:48:18] <Kodos> I haven't had soda in 3 days, so unless you're magically going to teleport a can of dr pepper to my desk, I honestly (Nothing personal, just hangry and cranky from a migraine) dont' really care tbh =D
L434[17:49:04] <CompanionCube> Xal: do you see how terrible the check i
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L436[17:50:47] <Xal> lol@ key of random length
L437[18:00:52] <MGR> CompanionCube, the check is terrible
L438[18:01:09] <MGR> The real check got scrapped by time overruns and the GERT project suddenly expanding by several times
L439[18:03:52] <MGR> Xal, just so you know, bagel.glutenous is trash
L440[18:03:58] <MGR> and I knew it was bad when I made it
L441[18:04:05] <Xal> then why did you make it
L442[18:04:07] <MGR> And I repurposed it mostly as anti data corruption
L443[18:04:10] <Xal> what is this whole thing even for
L444[18:04:20] <MGR> and people randomly messing around with TACEATS
L445[18:04:40] <MGR> someone clever enough to defeat glutenous is also probably enough to know what they're doing when they modify TACEATS
L446[18:04:59] <Gavle> Yes
L447[18:05:07] <Xal> I don't even know what TACEATS is
L448[18:05:12] <Gavle> Bagel v1.4's glutenous will be handled by ME
L449[18:05:26] <MGR> Xal, TACEATS is a computerized security program
L450[18:05:45] <Xal> and what does it do
L451[18:05:52] <MGR> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/TACEATS/tree/master/TACEATS2
L452[18:06:11] <MGR> It uses OpenSecurity lasers and entitydetectors/ Computronics radar to detect invaders and shoot at them
L453[18:07:49] <MGR> Izaya, you made a whole repo to defeat glutenous
L454[18:07:52] <MGR> I'm touched ?
L455[18:07:58] <Xal> mhmm, and you're downloading the "compromised" taceats source code, and then checking it with a "hash" function that downloaded from the same source, and then comparing the "hash" with the one stored in the same source yet again?
L456[18:08:05] <Xal> this makes no sense
L457[18:08:17] <MGR> it downloads it only if the files are missing
L458[18:08:45] <Xal> so what is it protecting against?
L459[18:09:06] <MGR> A. random data corruption
L460[18:09:22] <MGR> B. People messing around with it who don't know what they're doing
L461[18:09:52] <Xal> A. valid but probably insignificant reason.
L462[18:09:55] <MGR> Like I said, the full functionality got trashed
L463[18:10:00] <Xal> B. bah humbug
L464[18:10:15] <Xal> It's "security" through obscurity
L465[18:10:21] <Xal> It's better just not to have it
L466[18:10:30] <MGR> how is it better not to have it?
L467[18:10:44] <Xal> So people can mess with it
L468[18:11:17] <Xal> It's not going to prevent anyone from messing with it anyhow, so why have it?
L469[18:12:09] <Xal> "Preventing execution to secure against malicious code injection." is a false sense of security
L470[18:13:00] <MGR> Ok, I'll rewrite the statement
L471[18:13:13] <MGR> There's a spelling error I need to fix anyways ?
L472[18:14:37] <MGR> Later though
L473[18:14:39] <MGR> gotta do stuff
L474[18:16:50] <Xal> The "correct" way to do would be to provide a cryptographic signature of the code, and then have people sign the official TACEATS public key, and then build up a web of trust
L475[18:17:04] <Xal> you would only trust the official public key if you were linked into the web of trust
L476[18:17:12] <CompanionCube> Xal: isn't that kinda overkill
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L478[18:18:29] <Turulix> lul
L479[18:19:22] <Xal> anything less doesn't really count as security
L480[18:19:50] <Xal> if there's a weak link anywhere and you just say "its unlikely anyone will find/exploit it" you have yourself security through obscurity
L481[18:20:36] <Xal> it would be fun to make an opencomputers cryptography program and establish a web of trust
L482[18:20:48] <Xal> ;)
L483[18:20:50] <Turulix> +
L484[18:21:13] <Skye> Just trust Sanger as God.
L485[18:21:13] <Skye> Lizzy and Mimiru as goddesses
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L487[18:21:21] <Skye> Sanger I mean
L488[18:21:28] <Skye> Sangar as God
L489[18:21:32] <Skye> There we go
L490[18:21:48] <Xal> establish a server-wide web of trust by giving people a floppy with your public key on it
L491[18:22:41] <Xal> if it's stolen from you, distribute your backup revocation certificate to everyone :)
L492[18:23:05] <Skye> Eh
L493[18:23:28] <Skye> I want a challenge about hacking OpenComputers
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L498[18:37:59] <MGR> Skye
L499[18:38:04] <MGR> Hack OpenComputers
L500[18:38:41] <MGR> Xal, I don't think I'm going to be going that far
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L502[18:38:53] <MGR> But I can improve glutenous so it isn't really bad
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L504[18:40:06] <Turulix> :D
L505[18:40:09] <zargorde> ^
L506[18:40:13] <Turulix> ^^
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L509[18:41:06] <MGR> and now I'm going to play Universe Sandbox
L510[18:42:11] <MGR> also, Xal, what's wrong with security through obscurity as part of a defense-in-depth approach?
L511[18:42:18] <MGR> I don't see anything wrong with it in and of itself
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L514[19:01:26] <Nikky> well in your case its kind of moot
L515[19:01:36] <Nikky> your sourcecode is visiable
L516[19:01:44] <Nikky> and your hashing function is shit
L517[19:02:13] <Nikky> also it does not produce a unique hash.. by far
L518[19:04:08] <Nikky> not to mention it would be absolutely effortless to get secure hashing function integrated into your program ..
L519[19:06:54] <Xal> by the way what does the bagel library even do?
L520[19:07:24] <Nikky> it does not secure anything..
L521[19:07:57] <Nikky> aparently its meant for encryption ?
L522[19:09:01] <MGR> Xal, it's meant for encryption
L523[19:09:11] <MGR> Nikky, good to run into you, I always love our talks
L524[19:09:19] <Nikky> me too
L525[19:09:22] <MGR> And bagel is forward looking for my upcoming plans
L526[19:09:29] <Xal> what do you mean encryption?
L527[19:09:45] <MGR> Xal, I would love to explain, but it's reaching deep into the night for me
L528[19:09:48] <Nikky> i think you flipped your words there.. isn't it looking forard too ?
L529[19:09:56] <MGR> I'll tell you tomorrow
L530[19:10:05] <Xal> it literally writes the key into the file
L531[19:10:09] <MGR> Nikky, yes
L532[19:10:21] <Xal> i hesitate to call it a key
L533[19:10:22] <MGR> Xal, 1.4 will fix that
L534[19:10:29] <Nikky> well effectively its a timesink
L535[19:10:43] <Xal> fix what? by throwing the whole thing away
L536[19:10:54] <MGR> There was a huge time overrun trying to enhance the old encrytpion routines
L537[19:11:02] <MGR> Xal, I already did that
L538[19:11:24] <MGR> and I have multiple upgrades planned
L539[19:11:54] <Xal> you realize you can break the encryption by finding a common divisors across 2-9 numbers
L540[19:12:12] <MGR> Yes, I'm aware
L541[19:12:15] <Xal> you can analyze the frequency and then figure out the key with just the "cyphertext"
L542[19:12:19] <Xal> how will you fix this?
L543[19:12:32] <MGR> Right this second, that's proprietary
L544[19:12:40] <Xal> lmao
L545[19:12:42] <Xal> k fam
L546[19:12:50] <MGR> As soon as the GERT project can be finished, I will resume work
L547[19:13:01] <Nikky> its esy to break the encryption with just brute force.. then you can modify the body and keep the hash the same
L548[19:13:07] <Xal> why not stop fucking around and just use AES
L549[19:13:21] <MGR> Xal, because I don't know how to implement AES in lua?!
L550[19:13:26] <CompanionCube> 'proprietary' and 'crypto' belong together approximately never
L551[19:13:52] <MGR> Anyways, I gotta go
L552[19:13:58] <Xal> If you want a proven encryption method that's easy to implement look no further than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Encryption_Algorithm
L553[19:14:17] <MGR> Once Gavle and I finish GERT, we'll resume work on Bagel
L554[19:14:17] <Nikky> give the poor man the option to make themself a laughingstock
L555[19:14:21] <Xal> 'bout 20 lines of code
L556[19:14:38] <CompanionCube> 'TEA has a few weaknesses. Most notably, it suffers from equivalent keys—each key is equivalent to three others, which means that the effective key size is only 126 bits.[5] As a result, TEA is especially bad as a cryptographic hash function.'
L557[19:14:47] <Xal> don't expect security however, but you'll learn a lot about feistel networks
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L559[19:14:58] <MGR> Nikky, I'm not a laughingstock
L560[19:15:03] <Nikky> even easier Xal there is crypto cards that do offer a set of those methods
L561[19:15:05] <MGR> My security isn't great, but TACEATS works
L562[19:15:23] <Nikky> yes MGR you just do not realize it and thats the best part
L563[19:15:25] <Xal> anyway, MGR I suggest you don't roll your own crypto
L564[19:15:32] <Xal> that's the first rule of crypto
L565[19:16:05] <MGR> Nikky, false
L566[19:16:13] <MGR> but your views are irrelevant
L567[19:16:21] <MGR> Xal, I'm aware of the first rule
L568[19:16:24] * Nikky grins
L569[19:16:26] <MGR> But this is also a learning exercise
L570[19:16:45] <Xal> well that's a valid excuse
L571[19:16:51] <Xal> http://www.rjek.com/arcfour.lua.txt
L572[19:16:55] <Xal> take a look at that
L573[19:17:09] <Xal> also broken, but RC4 is a really simple stream cipher you might be interested in
L574[19:17:18] <Nikky> it would be interesting to roll out a server with OC as main mod and world protection someohow linked to the users base server..
L575[19:17:57] <Xal> block inside a user's plot would be unbreakable, but you would be able to right click and interact everything
L576[19:18:14] <Nikky> that can also be blocked
L577[19:18:22] <Xal> but shitters would just seals up their door and mine it to get through
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L580[19:19:18] <Nikky> well the point is that users have to have a network cable leading outside and connecting to the global net
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L583[19:19:41] <Xal> and you'd have to redesign the whole network system so that layer-1 packets could be sniffed
L584[19:19:47] <Nikky> and when they security is breached the homeserver gives the atacker the rights to the plot
L585[19:20:11] <Xal> how about ban network cable and force everyone to roll their own protocols on top of bundle cable ;)
L586[19:20:33] <Nikky> that sounds like a lot more effort to design and break
L587[19:21:36] <Xal> yeah but it means you'll actually need secure crypto to communicated'
L588[19:21:42] <Xal> communicate*
L589[19:22:26] <Nikky> combine that with a central server that the players need to communicate with as well as mandatory connection to other players..
L590[19:23:26] <Nikky> and a basic protocol of keepalive pings.. my idea gets worse and worse..
L591[19:24:26] <Xal> also you can buy shit from other players using a cryptocurrency hosted on the network
L592[19:24:42] <Xal> then some shit decides he's gonna try to make a supercomputer cluster to take over the blockchain
L593[19:24:50] <Xal> heh
L594[19:24:55] <CompanionCube> Xal: doesn't cryptocurrency require nontrivial CPU time
L595[19:25:27] <Xal> yeah just make the difficulty really low and banhammer people cheating using OOC computers to solve hashes
L596[19:25:42] <Nikky> ehh that idea kindof assumes the server is going to handle all that.. sounds notrivial..
L597[19:25:45] <Nikky> hmm
L598[19:25:48] <Xal> add gregtech to the mix and I would play the shit out of that
L599[19:25:56] <CompanionCube> Xal: and then someone buys an ASIC
L600[19:26:08] <Xal> "banhammer people cheating using OOC computers to solve hashes"
L601[19:26:22] <CompanionCube> yeah but you're still screwed
L602[19:26:27] <CompanionCube> you can't undo the damage
L603[19:26:27] <Xal> you'd need to be whitelisted and have rules and an honour system
L604[19:26:38] <Xal> it's the only way
L605[19:27:11] <Nikky> nah i think cryptocurrency is not needed
L606[19:27:31] <Xal> but it would be coooool
L607[19:27:34] <Nikky> whitelisted.. yes but only because the basic base setup and rules are kinda specific
L608[19:27:47] <Nikky> yes it would
L609[19:31:44] <Nikky> but Xal much more fun would be the same setup..
L610[19:31:50] <Nikky> using CC
L611[19:32:01] <Nikky> it kinda would be a horror for the server owner though
L612[19:32:09] <Xal> why would it be more fun
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L614[19:33:26] <Xal> lmao I just noticed GMR's stupid "ecncryption" function never changes the number of bytes the "key" is used for because he misspells the name of his variable the second time
L615[19:33:43] <Xal> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OC-Programs/blob/master/Libraries/bagel.lua#L32
L616[19:33:51] <Nikky> actually i would have a little bit more fun .. assuming i am not one of the contestants
L617[19:37:05] <Nikky> and thats why some sort of syntax highlighting or a IDE is a good idea to prevent those mistakes
L618[19:37:56] <Xal> or... forward declaration!
L619[19:37:59] * Xal gasps
L620[19:39:21] <Nikky> https://aww.moe/seog1f.png such info
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L622[20:03:47] <Mansavage> hey all, does anyone know much about how the chunkloader upgrade works? specifically, will it load a chunk as the robot crosses a chunk border into unloaded chunks? or does it just keep whatever chunk it started in loaded?
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L625[20:10:41] <Nikky> iirc and i could be wrong about that it makes sure that a least the robot and any chunk it moves into are loaded
L626[20:11:07] <Nikky> if it loads a 3*3 or just a + of chunks i do not know
L627[20:11:27] <Mansavage> cool, thanks nikky. i'll do some testing
L628[20:12:16] <Nikky> chickenchunks should be able to show you forcloaded chunks in a popup window
L629[20:12:39] <Nikky> but the point is that the bot should never wander into unloaded chunks and freeze
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L631[20:29:44] <S3> so: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/7FyICmxbIaldfJlx-IJ7aIfYJCd3ED4rVH_RK0Ogk07_Jv_A3wV1dfPol0Ge9sZN9Of9FgCHD6oVLHLJUkutRCmKICDSKdGYGm2I=w1280-h692-rw
L632[20:30:16] <S3> Ocranet example network ^
L633[20:35:36] <Xal> dead link
L634[20:35:42] <Xal> 403
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L636[20:37:28] <Mimiru> Xal, http://michi.pc-logix.com/2017-01-02_20-37-17.png
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L639[20:52:40] <Dark_> hi, do open periphal addons terminal bridge work with OC
L640[20:56:19] <Mimiru> I don't think so, but there is OpenGlasses https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/openglasses
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L643[20:58:45] <Dark_> ok because bevo has them both but idk how to use them in conjunction
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L645[21:10:25] <Mansavage> anyone know if the robot move speed in the settings config has a min value, something tick related maybe?
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L652[22:55:36] <Izaya> @MGR, Just cause I don't have many misc OC scripts
L653[22:59:09] <S3> hm
L654[22:59:46] <S3> Xal: fix your machine then
L655[22:59:53] <S3> not a dead link for me on any machine I got
L656[22:59:54] <S3> lol
L657[23:00:07] <Mimiru> it won't load on my server, works on my desktop
L658[23:00:30] <S3> weird.
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