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L30[03:44:15] <MichiBot>
Skyblivion
Teaser Trailer - Return To Cyrodiil | length:
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L32[03:45:52] <MichiBot>
(Monster
Musume) 天奈夭奈母件旦 Papi Dance 10 hours | length:
10h 59s |
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Warren | Published On 21/9/2015
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L58[08:26:39] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name:
Appliance Repair Posted on: 1/2/2017
L59[08:27:12] <Mimiru> lol...
L60[08:27:29] <Forecaster> "Well
there's your problem"
L61[08:29:11] <Skye> Forecaster, Mimiru: me
with computers
L62[08:29:47] <Mimiru> Damn it.. people
keep making helpful feature suggestions... so I keep having to
implement them
L63[08:29:48] <Mimiru> lol
L64[08:30:07] <Forecaster> Curse
them!
L65[08:30:42]
<20kdc>
could <INSERT BOT NAME HERE> detect if people are posting
something potentially lewd and put a hashtag after it?
L66[08:30:54] <Forecaster> no
L67[08:30:57] <Mimiru> No :D
L68[08:31:35] <Forecaster> well,
technically yes
L69[08:31:39] <Forecaster> but not worth
the effort
L70[08:32:16] <Nikky> it would be rather
simple if you just use a regex filter
L71[08:32:45] <Nikky> for something more
advanced like opening urls etc.. probably not worth the
effort
L72[08:33:50] <Mimiru> Actually... I could,
I stumbled across something a while back that with like 95%
accuracy could tell you if a image was pornographic and it was
adjustable
L73[08:33:54] <Mimiru> but.. effort
:p
L74[08:33:57] <Mimiru> anyway work
L75[08:34:09] <Forecaster> I basically said
that already!
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L78[08:52:13] <Forecaster> we could just
have it follow any link Inari posts with "Probably
lewd"
L79[08:56:17] <Forecaster> would probably
cover most of it :P
L80[08:56:29] <Saphire> So, we need a
bot?
L81[08:57:10] <Forecaster> if it was a
serious suggestion MichiBot could do it easily enough
L82[09:01:04] <Michiyo> vifino, nah... this
one could actually tell you *WHICH* sexual act was taking place
:P
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L84[09:23:18]
<Eleria>
^^
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L86[09:48:04]
<MGR>
Izaya
L87[09:48:14]
<MGR> How's
that pull request going?
L88[09:48:20]
<MGR> It
seems lost in the mail
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L91[10:38:42] <Forecaster> oh wow
L92[10:38:53] <Forecaster> someone
downloaded the linux version of my application
L93[10:39:26] <Michiyo> Nice
L94[10:44:08] *
Inari wonders why noone ever uses Kiloliters and
Megaliters
L95[10:44:41]
<20kdc>
Forecaster: which application?
L96[10:44:55] <Saphire> Inari: Uh..
L97[10:45:02]
<20kdc> I
tried doing research instead of asking for once, but that failed
horribly.
L98[10:45:15] <Saphire> Because then it's
just cubic meters?
L100[10:47:42]
<20kdc> If
it wasn't for the fact that Electron isn't a commonly installed
thing, and it makes your application downloads *really big*, I'd be
using it for everything. Right now I end up having to use Java to
get the same blend of cross-platform and ease of use.
L101[10:47:48]
<20kdc>
?
L102[10:48:01] <Forecaster> I don't use
electron
L103[10:48:12]
<20kdc>
...then what *are* you using...?
L104[10:48:22]
<20kdc> (and
for another matter, how are the downloads 50MiB?)
L105[10:48:42] <Inari> Saphire: Then why
not use cubic decimeters instead of liters :P
L106[10:48:59] <Saphire> Because it's
shorter?
L107[10:49:10] <Inari> so is
kiloliter
L108[10:49:14]
<20kdc>
Forecaster: ah, you're using nw.js
L109[10:49:22]
<20kdc>
Forecaster: ...which has the exact same problem
L110[10:49:29] <Forecaster> yep
L111[10:49:40] <Forecaster> but you don't
have to have it installed
L112[10:49:50]
<20kdc> You
don't need to have Electron installed either...
L113[10:49:57] <Forecaster> I know
L114[10:49:59]
<20kdc>
...the issue is that in either case, *the applications are
massive*
L115[10:50:19] <Forecaster> because it
includes electron/nw.js itself :P
L116[10:50:31] <Forecaster> and all the
libraries and stuff
L117[10:50:45] <Forecaster> but it's nice
to develop in
L118[10:52:05]
<20kdc> For
internal development it's great, as it's just a matter of making
sure there's a copy of the runtime somewhere on the machine, but
the issue is that I might as well use Haxe + LOVE on the basis that
LOVE is installable and runs on Android. Or Java, since everybody
has it.
L119[10:53:20] <Forecaster> I don't know
those first two
L120[10:53:35] <Forecaster> and making
GUI's in Java is a pain
L121[10:54:23]
<20kdc>
Well, yeah, it is, I'll agree. I ended up writing my own UI
framework to go on top of it anyway because I wanted to *not depend
on Swing* which is Java SE only.
L122[10:55:40]
<20kdc> I
may have a small case of Not Invented Here.
L123[10:55:57] <Forecaster> wut
L124[10:58:35] <Michiyo> I hit 85
downloads last night \o/
L125[10:58:45] <Forecaster> for the game
app?
L126[10:58:47] <Forecaster> :D
L127[10:58:57] <Michiyo> yeah
L128[10:58:59]
<20kdc>
that's more than I ever got, on anything, unless I've been
miscounting... ?
L129[10:59:11] <Forecaster> I'm at 35
total
L130[10:59:20] <Forecaster> 14 of those is
the latest release
L132[10:59:47] <Forecaster> that's a great
site by the way
L133[11:00:03] <Forecaster> because github
doesn't have a way of seeing downloads of releases other than
through the api
L134[11:00:07] <Forecaster> for some
reason
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L139[11:47:02] <Izaya> %whopinged
L140[11:47:23] <Forecaster> mgr
L141[11:47:29] <Izaya> oh
L142[11:47:30] <Izaya> ok
L143[11:47:42] *
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<MGR>
Izayaaaaa
L147[11:59:55]
<MGR> Izaya,
produce code, or I am going to have to believe that you're
lyingggg
L149[12:02:47] <MichiBot> Sun Jan 01
23:58:07 CST 2017 @paleblurs: i've been laughing at this set of
pictures for 38 minutes straight
https://t.co/igWXmmAubp
L150[12:07:20] <Izaya> MGR, pay me
L151[12:07:29] <Izaya> bug bounty or
bust
L152[12:08:58] <Izaya> I'll take my
payment as 100k GTA:V online moneys
L154[12:17:55] <S3> Forecaster: WTF
L155[12:18:13] <Forecaster> ?
L156[12:30:09] <S3> Forecaster: that
cat
L157[12:36:01]
<MGR> Izaya,
I can't pay you in GTA:V money because I don't have GTA
L158[12:36:07]
<MGR> I can
pay you in minerats though
L159[12:36:09] <Lizzy> skrub
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L162[12:41:22] <Izaya> I just had two
great idead
L163[12:41:27] <Izaya> ifras
L164[12:41:35] <Izaya> idead
L165[12:41:49]
<MGR>
?
L166[12:41:55] <Izaya> disclaimer it's 6
AM and I've been up since 5 yesterday
L167[12:42:23] <Izaya> 1. remove luci from
openwrt to get more space and install tinc or cjdns
L168[12:42:35] <Stary> lol
L169[12:42:43] <Izaya> 2. run an IRC bot
on OpenWRT
L170[12:42:56] <Izaya> I have a lua IRC
bot
L171[12:43:11]
<MGR> Izaya,
or you can give me the code so I know you aren't lying
L172[12:43:45] <Izaya> MGR: it was in the
repl a week ago on a computer 300km away
L173[12:43:55] <Izaya> and I'm playing
GTA
L174[12:44:08]
<MGR>
repl?
L175[12:44:45] <Izaya> read eval print
loop
L176[12:45:29]
<MGR>
?
L177[12:47:17] <Izaya> input
L178[12:47:18] <Izaya> run code
L179[12:47:23] <Izaya> print result
L180[12:47:28] <Izaya> lua on any unix
box
L181[12:47:41]
<MGR>
ah
L182[12:47:44] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
ayy
L183[12:47:46]
<MGR> so,
you don't actually have the code
L184[12:48:15] *
CompanionCube now has a different *mute-related
wallpaper
L185[12:49:08] <Izaya> well
L186[12:49:14] <Izaya> I have a script to
break it
L187[12:49:24] <Izaya> but not the
optomised hash crap
L188[12:49:52]
<MGR> Izaya,
you can send me just the script right now
L189[12:50:02] <Izaya> can't
L190[12:50:08] <Michiyo> lolol..
isitporn.com fail and I can't share it heh
L191[12:50:11] <Izaya> if I tab out GTA
breaks
L192[12:50:26] <Izaya> may be due to
running it at 8k
L193[12:50:57]
<MGR> Izaya,
well, do it when you can please
L194[12:52:37] <Izaya> Lizzy: you've
played a lot of GTA
L195[12:52:46] <Izaya> how do I get like
200k quickly?
L196[12:53:01] <Lizzy> heists
L197[12:53:44] <Lizzy> when you get the
ability to join them from your phone, do that. even if you only end
up doing the odd ones you still get a fair bit of money from
them
L198[12:54:17] <Gavle> ~w modem
L200[12:54:23] <Michiyo> I miss GTA, maybe
one day I'll figure out how to make the day longer and have time
for stuff like that lol
L201[12:54:52] <Michiyo> Or I can just
start making bank on android apps and quit my day job, lulz
L202[12:54:53] <Lizzy> I go back to work
tomorrow.... kinda half looking forward to it and kinda half not
lol
L203[12:54:56] <Izaya> Michiyo: just don't
sleep
L204[12:55:05] <Michiyo> Izaya, I tried
that, doesn't work anymore
L205[12:55:22] *
Izaya has a pile of energy drink cans stacked neatly under his
desk
L206[12:55:25] <Michiyo> Long ago, I could
do 36 hours with no issue, 48 wasn't totally uncommon..
L207[12:55:29] <Michiyo> now i'm lucky to
do 12 :P
L208[12:55:55] <Michiyo> 4:30 rolls around
and I'm wanting to take a nap...
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L210[12:56:01] <Michiyo> Don't get old
kids.. it sucks :/
L211[12:56:07] <Lizzy> :/
L212[12:56:58] <Lizzy> right, since I have
work tomorrow i should probably start packing my laptop bag up
again
L213[12:57:07] <Inari> Just don't get kids
in general
L214[12:57:45] <Michiyo> Inari, as a
parent of 2, can confirm they sap the energy out of ya.. lol
L215[12:57:55] <Lizzy> but who can you
possess if you die?
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L217[12:58:25] <perryprog> Hello?
L218[12:58:33] <Lizzy> yes
L219[12:58:39] <Inari> Ya hallo
L220[12:58:47] <perryprog> Cool! Using the
OC irc floppy
L221[12:59:10] <Inari> You should come
join us with a regular client
L223[12:59:24] <Inari> Temia is still gone
:<
L224[13:00:01] <Michiyo> perryprog, if you
think that's good, grab oppm, and then install wocchat :P
L225[13:00:27] <perryprog> I noticed when
I ran `install irc` it installed it on the hard drive, is there
anyway I can put installed floppys on $PATH? Is that even a thing
on OpenOS?
L226[13:01:05] <Lizzy> what do you mean,
"installed floppys"?
L227[13:01:43] <perryprog> Erm, I attached
a disk drive and put in the irc floppy. Then I ran `install irc`
and it asked me which HDD to install it on
L228[13:01:49] <perryprog> Did I do this
wrong? xD
L229[13:02:07] <Gavle> ~w event
L231[13:02:27] <Lizzy> nope, that is the
correct way, after doing that you should be able to just type irc
into the terminalk
L232[13:02:30] <Lizzy> *terminal
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L234[13:02:46] <perryprog> Hmm....
L235[13:02:55] <perryprog> Alright one
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L238[13:03:21] <perryprog> Nope
L239[13:03:49] <Lizzy> hmm
L240[13:03:59] <perryprog> It says in
install irc blah, type `install irc`. I did that and now I have to
type /mnt/123/bin/irc perryprog
L241[13:04:03] <perryprog> to*
L242[13:04:21] <Lizzy> erm, did you
install openos first?
L243[13:04:26] <perryprog> Yeah
L244[13:04:41] <Lizzy> do ls /bin and see
if irc.lua is listed there
L245[13:04:53] <perryprog> k
L246[13:05:00] <perryprog> gonna rejoin
over freenode this time
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L248[13:05:09] <Lizzy> freenode?
L249[13:05:14] <Michiyo> umm.. lol
L250[13:05:20] <Lizzy> i'm guessing he
means another clinet
L251[13:05:24] <Lizzy> but i'm not
sure
L252[13:05:26] <Michiyo> hopefully
:P
L253[13:05:40] <Lizzy> do we even have a
channel on freenode?
L254[13:06:10] <Lizzy> oh, um. that's
nice
L255[13:06:13] <Michiyo> well.. we didn't
before now sure enough, they joined #oc on freenode
L256[13:06:26] <Lizzy> so that's what
vultr meant by the email they sent out
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L258[13:06:37] <Lizzy> ¬_¬
L259[13:06:38] <Michiyo> or.. maybe so it
seems registered as neither of us have +o
L260[13:06:40] <Michiyo> Lizzy, ?
L261[13:07:11] <Lizzy> the host node that
runs janus (VPS from vultr) got rebooted about 12 hours ago
L262[13:07:45] <Michiyo> -ChanServ-
Information on #OC:
L263[13:07:45] <Michiyo> -ChanServ-
Founder : freenode-staff
L264[13:07:45] <Michiyo> -ChanServ-
Registered : Feb 27 19:53:43 2006 (10y 44w 3d ago)
L265[13:07:46] <Michiyo> wut
L266[13:07:52] <Michiyo> lol
L267[13:08:03] <Forecaster> wut
L268[13:08:11] <Lizzy> rather than
migrating the virtual servers to another physical box they just
rebooted the damn t hing
L269[13:08:19] <Michiyo> that's...
special
L270[13:08:20] <Michiyo> :/
L271[13:09:01] <Lizzy> yup, and the email
i got from vultr came in about 5 minutes after i got an email
stating that janus was unreachable
L272[13:09:16] <Michiyo> O_o
L273[13:09:58] <Lizzy> only stuff that
would have been affected is the DNS stuff and any websites i host
other than the OC forums
L274[13:11:34] <Michiyo> I should set a
bot in there "If you're looking for OpenComputers support,
we're on irc.esper.net" lol
L275[13:11:44] <Forecaster> :P
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L277[13:12:23] <perryprog> Massive face
palm. I was using free node accidentally.
L278[13:12:27] <CompanionCube> iirc
freenode-staff means something special
L279[13:12:31] <Lizzy> we did wonder
that
L280[13:12:43] <perryprog> Here's what's
happening
L282[13:12:46] <Michiyo> Oh hai!
L283[13:12:50] <Michiyo> welcome back
:P
L284[13:12:57] <perryprog> yt
L285[13:13:00] <perryprog> ty*
L286[13:13:19] <CompanionCube> freenode
have a weird policy for channels, not sure how many people follow
it though
L287[13:13:31] <perryprog> Yea, I wouldn't
know
L288[13:13:49] <perryprog> I figured it
all was the same thing, just different UI.
L289[13:13:58] <Lizzy> perryprog, Ah, run
"df" and see which /mnt/xxx/ path corresponds with your
"/" mount point
L290[13:14:20] <CompanionCube> perryprog:
nope - every IRC 'network' is a completely different entity
L291[13:14:28] <perryprog> Good to
know
L292[13:14:34] <Lizzy> there was a webchat
link on the forums, though i seem to have forgotten to readd
that
L293[13:14:40] <Lizzy> CompanionCube,
well
L294[13:15:10] <perryprog> What do you
mean cube?
L295[13:15:49] <perryprog> If you reload
the link, I added a screenshot of `df`
L296[13:16:20] <Lizzy> ah, perryprog did
you reboot after running the initial install for openos?
L297[13:16:28] <CompanionCube> perryprog:
you know how there's different websites, chat services, forums and
such?
L298[13:16:46] <perryprog> Yes lizzy
L299[13:16:57] <perryprog> I could start
from scratch just in case
L300[13:17:10] <perryprog> And also yes
cube
L301[13:17:32] <perryprog> I just don't
know much about IRC
L302[13:17:37] <Lizzy> before you try
that, take the OpenOS floppy disk out of any disk drives you have.
it looks like the computer is still booting from it maybe
L303[13:18:17] <perryprog> I took it out,
but now there's no filesystem...
L304[13:18:24] <perryprog> I think I
installed it wrong :p
L305[13:18:35] <CompanionCube> perryprog:
IRC is similar - while they all use the same common protocol, they
may have different contents, different rules and are managed by
different people
L306[13:18:38] <Lizzy> sounds like it, try
again from scratch
L307[13:20:39] <perryprog> There we
go!
L308[13:20:44] <perryprog> I had never run
`install openos
L309[13:20:53] <Lizzy> ah, lol
L310[13:21:11] <Forecaster> well, there'
your problem
L311[13:21:16] <Forecaster> there's*
L312[13:21:47] <perryprog> Now what
packages should I install via OOPM...
L313[13:22:54] <perryprog> oppm*
L314[13:24:10] <Michiyo> wocchat it's like
the IRC program but better
L315[13:25:27] <perryprog> K
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L318[13:26:14] <perryprog> Hello!
L319[13:26:29] <perryprog> Using wocchat
now. *mind explodes*
L320[13:27:23] <perryprog> Thanks for all
the help. I have to go now. o/
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L322[13:37:00] <Lizzy> there, irc webchat
is back on the forums in some sense
L323[13:37:34] <Forecaster> the sense of
smell!
L324[13:43:44] <Michiyo> huh... there is
no free custom pages mod for IPB4 :/
L325[13:43:48] <Michiyo> MAybe I'll write
one
L326[13:47:09] <Michiyo> $100 bucks for
IP.Pages :/
L327[13:47:11] <Michiyo> sheesh
L328[13:52:28] <S3> my domain name is good
until april
L330[13:52:41] * S3
has the best domain name ever
L331[13:56:43] <Forecaster> what's
that?
L332[14:00:45] <Mettaton_Fab> wait, how do
i install irc.lua again?
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L338[14:27:53] <Inari> Haha
L339[14:28:00] <Inari> this is probably
ancient, but I love it:
L340[14:28:28] <Inari> English is a
difficult language. It can be understood through tough thorough
thought, though.
L341[14:29:09] <Michiyo> Man, English
sucks
L342[14:29:10] <Michiyo> lol
L344[14:32:19] <Michiyo> As I said...
English sucks.
L345[14:33:33] <Forecaster> meh
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L347[14:46:22] <Antheus> me
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L349[14:51:02] <Forecaster> you
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L351[14:57:45] <Inari> Michiyo: I assume
you know the buffalo thing
L352[15:02:14] <Michiyo> Yes
L353[15:02:23] <Inari> I love that
one
L354[15:02:23] <Inari> :D
L356[15:03:02] <Antheus> .
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L359[15:29:25] <Izaya> @MGR still
here?
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L361[15:33:09]
<Mimiru>
@MGR ^
L362[15:34:03] <Michiyo> @Status
@@MajGenRelativity
L363[15:34:05] <Michiyo> err
L364[15:34:08] <Michiyo> @Status
@MajGenRelativity
L365[15:34:12] <Michiyo> ._>
L366[15:34:16] <Michiyo> @status
@MajGenRelativity
L367[15:34:17] <Corded> Michiyo:
MajGenRelativity is currently AWAY
L368[15:34:26] <Michiyo> Good to know I
don't .toLowerCase the input.. lol
L369[15:35:34] <Stary> lol
L370[15:48:03] <Mettaton_Fab> i think i
got lava-runner to hang up.
L371[15:48:31] <Mettaton_Fab> or i just
found a bug.
L372[15:52:14] <Forecaster> oh hey
L373[15:52:17] <Forecaster> chair server
lives
L374[15:53:49] <Michiyo> \0/
L375[15:55:27] <Mettaton_Fab> *epic voice*
IT IS ALIVE!
L376[15:56:19] <Forecaster> I just watched
nerdcubed play a terrible game called "Streamer
Simulator"
L377[15:57:09] <Forecaster> it made me
want to make a game like that, but where you by accident discover
you're in some kinda simulation, kind of like the trueman
show
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L380[15:59:24] <Izaya> 22 lines of lua to
defeat MGR's hash checking
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L384[16:30:10] <Mettaton_Fab> how do i
uninstall openOffice?
L385[16:34:28] <Xal> emerge -cav
app-office/openoffice
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L390[16:56:54] <CompanionCube>
Mettaton_Fab: did you install gentoo(tm)
L391[17:10:17] <Xal> house on fire?
install gentoo
L392[17:10:39] <Xal> install gentoo on
your nest(tm) thermostat to stop the house burning down
L393[17:11:56] <Mettaton_Fab> i want to
uninstall openoffice since i now installed LibreOffice
L394[17:17:48]
<MGR> Izaya,
I have arrived
L395[17:17:57]
<MGR> Back
from seeing Rogue One, and about to eat dinner
L396[17:18:15] <CompanionCube> they posted
the code for the breaker thing
L397[17:18:20] <CompanionCube> it's 22
lines.
L398[17:18:22] <Izaya> fucking hell
L399[17:18:29] <Izaya> I was about to
sleep
L401[17:19:31]
<MGR>
Thanks
L402[17:19:37] <Izaya> ~enjoy~
L403[17:19:44]
<MGR> I
will
L404[17:19:47]
<MGR> Heh
antibagel
L405[17:19:56] <Izaya> wake me up when
you've decided to use existing crypto
L406[17:19:56]
<MGR>
Someone else already made that
L407[17:20:02]
<MGR> And
then I defeated it
L408[17:21:06] <CompanionCube> but not
this one
L409[17:21:18]
<MGR>
Nope
L410[17:21:23]
<MGR> not
until v1.4
L411[17:21:42] <CompanionCube> does 1.4
include actually standard crypto
L412[17:21:50] <CompanionCube> heck, even
CRC32 would be better i'd bet
L414[17:35:38] <Xal> please never mention
the words "crc" and "crypto" in the same
sentence again, thanks
L415[17:40:47] <CompanionCube> Xal: their
current 'security' is literally summing ASCII values
L416[17:41:36] <CompanionCube> also, did
you think I'm recommending it as anything that's not just
less-terrible
L417[17:42:09] <Kodos> I wonder if my idea
I had a while back on ROT13 based encryption would be better or
worse
L418[17:42:51] <Xal> what are we talking
about that is using a sum for cryptography purposes?
L419[17:43:06] <CompanionCube> Xal: MGR's
validation thing
L420[17:43:16] <CompanionCube> it's how he
detects modified code in the installer
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L422[17:43:41] <Xal> lol why would you do
that?
L423[17:43:42] <Kodos> Couldn't you just
match the MD5 to a value stored somewhere that isn't within
Minecraft
L427[17:46:23] <Kodos> I have no idea what
I'm looking at
L428[17:46:37] <CompanionCube> most likely
MD5 collisions or some shit given context
L429[17:47:07] <Xal> try calculating the
md5 sum of those 128 bytes
L430[17:47:15] <Xal> you'll get
79054025255fb1a26e4bc422aef54eb4
L431[17:47:50] <Xal> In fact, an algorithm
exists to create 2 streams of data of arbitrary length that have
the same md5
L432[17:47:50] <Kodos> Well
L433[17:48:18] <Kodos> I haven't had soda
in 3 days, so unless you're magically going to teleport a can of dr
pepper to my desk, I honestly (Nothing personal, just hangry and
cranky from a migraine) dont' really care tbh =D
L434[17:49:04] <CompanionCube> Xal: do you
see how terrible the check i
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L436[17:50:47] <Xal> lol@ key of random
length
L437[18:00:52]
<MGR>
CompanionCube, the check is terrible
L438[18:01:09]
<MGR> The
real check got scrapped by time overruns and the GERT project
suddenly expanding by several times
L439[18:03:52]
<MGR> Xal,
just so you know, bagel.glutenous is trash
L440[18:03:58]
<MGR> and I
knew it was bad when I made it
L441[18:04:05] <Xal> then why did you make
it
L442[18:04:07]
<MGR> And I
repurposed it mostly as anti data corruption
L443[18:04:10] <Xal> what is this whole
thing even for
L444[18:04:20]
<MGR> and
people randomly messing around with TACEATS
L445[18:04:40]
<MGR>
someone clever enough to defeat glutenous is also probably enough
to know what they're doing when they modify TACEATS
L446[18:04:59] <Gavle> Yes
L447[18:05:07] <Xal> I don't even know
what TACEATS is
L448[18:05:12] <Gavle> Bagel v1.4's
glutenous will be handled by ME
L449[18:05:26]
<MGR> Xal,
TACEATS is a computerized security program
L450[18:05:45] <Xal> and what does it
do
L452[18:06:11]
<MGR> It
uses OpenSecurity lasers and entitydetectors/ Computronics radar to
detect invaders and shoot at them
L453[18:07:49]
<MGR> Izaya,
you made a whole repo to defeat glutenous
L454[18:07:52]
<MGR> I'm
touched ?
L455[18:07:58] <Xal> mhmm, and you're
downloading the "compromised" taceats source code, and
then checking it with a "hash" function that downloaded
from the same source, and then comparing the "hash" with
the one stored in the same source yet again?
L456[18:08:05] <Xal> this makes no
sense
L457[18:08:17]
<MGR> it
downloads it only if the files are missing
L458[18:08:45] <Xal> so what is it
protecting against?
L459[18:09:06]
<MGR> A.
random data corruption
L460[18:09:22]
<MGR> B.
People messing around with it who don't know what they're
doing
L461[18:09:52] <Xal> A. valid but probably
insignificant reason.
L462[18:09:55]
<MGR> Like I
said, the full functionality got trashed
L463[18:10:00] <Xal> B. bah humbug
L464[18:10:15] <Xal> It's
"security" through obscurity
L465[18:10:21] <Xal> It's better just not
to have it
L466[18:10:30]
<MGR> how is
it better not to have it?
L467[18:10:44] <Xal> So people can mess
with it
L468[18:11:17] <Xal> It's not going to
prevent anyone from messing with it anyhow, so why have it?
L469[18:12:09] <Xal> "Preventing
execution to secure against malicious code injection." is a
false sense of security
L470[18:13:00]
<MGR> Ok,
I'll rewrite the statement
L471[18:13:13]
<MGR>
There's a spelling error I need to fix anyways ?
L472[18:14:37]
<MGR> Later
though
L473[18:14:39]
<MGR> gotta
do stuff
L474[18:16:50] <Xal> The
"correct" way to do would be to provide a cryptographic
signature of the code, and then have people sign the official
TACEATS public key, and then build up a web of trust
L475[18:17:04] <Xal> you would only trust
the official public key if you were linked into the web of
trust
L476[18:17:12] <CompanionCube> Xal: isn't
that kinda overkill
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L478[18:18:29] <Turulix> lul
L479[18:19:22] <Xal> anything less doesn't
really count as security
L480[18:19:50] <Xal> if there's a weak
link anywhere and you just say "its unlikely anyone will
find/exploit it" you have yourself security through
obscurity
L481[18:20:36] <Xal> it would be fun to
make an opencomputers cryptography program and establish a web of
trust
L483[18:20:50] <Turulix> +
L484[18:21:13] <Skye> Just trust Sanger as
God.
L485[18:21:13] <Skye> Lizzy and Mimiru as
goddesses
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L487[18:21:21] <Skye> Sanger I mean
L488[18:21:28] <Skye> Sangar as God
L489[18:21:32] <Skye> There we go
L490[18:21:48] <Xal> establish a
server-wide web of trust by giving people a floppy with your public
key on it
L491[18:22:41] <Xal> if it's stolen from
you, distribute your backup revocation certificate to everyone
:)
L493[18:23:28] <Skye> I want a challenge
about hacking OpenComputers
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L498[18:37:59]
<MGR>
Skye
L499[18:38:04]
<MGR> Hack
OpenComputers
L500[18:38:41]
<MGR> Xal, I
don't think I'm going to be going that far
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L502[18:38:53]
<MGR> But I
can improve glutenous so it isn't really bad
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L504[18:40:06] <Turulix> :D
L505[18:40:09] <zargorde> ^
L506[18:40:13] <Turulix> ^^
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L509[18:41:06]
<MGR> and
now I'm going to play Universe Sandbox
L510[18:42:11]
<MGR> also,
Xal, what's wrong with security through obscurity as part of a
defense-in-depth approach?
L511[18:42:18]
<MGR> I
don't see anything wrong with it in and of itself
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L514[19:01:26] <Nikky> well in your case
its kind of moot
L515[19:01:36] <Nikky> your sourcecode is
visiable
L516[19:01:44] <Nikky> and your hashing
function is shit
L517[19:02:13] <Nikky> also it does not
produce a unique hash.. by far
L518[19:04:08] <Nikky> not to mention it
would be absolutely effortless to get secure hashing function
integrated into your program ..
L519[19:06:54] <Xal> by the way what does
the bagel library even do?
L520[19:07:24] <Nikky> it does not secure
anything..
L521[19:07:57] <Nikky> aparently its meant
for encryption ?
L522[19:09:01]
<MGR> Xal,
it's meant for encryption
L523[19:09:11]
<MGR> Nikky,
good to run into you, I always love our talks
L524[19:09:19] <Nikky> me too
L525[19:09:22]
<MGR> And
bagel is forward looking for my upcoming plans
L526[19:09:29] <Xal> what do you mean
encryption?
L527[19:09:45]
<MGR> Xal, I
would love to explain, but it's reaching deep into the night for
me
L528[19:09:48] <Nikky> i think you flipped
your words there.. isn't it looking forard too ?
L529[19:09:56]
<MGR> I'll
tell you tomorrow
L530[19:10:05] <Xal> it literally writes
the key into the file
L531[19:10:09]
<MGR> Nikky,
yes
L532[19:10:21] <Xal> i hesitate to call it
a key
L533[19:10:22]
<MGR> Xal,
1.4 will fix that
L534[19:10:29] <Nikky> well effectively
its a timesink
L535[19:10:43] <Xal> fix what? by throwing
the whole thing away
L536[19:10:54]
<MGR> There
was a huge time overrun trying to enhance the old encrytpion
routines
L537[19:11:02]
<MGR> Xal, I
already did that
L538[19:11:24]
<MGR> and I
have multiple upgrades planned
L539[19:11:54] <Xal> you realize you can
break the encryption by finding a common divisors across 2-9
numbers
L540[19:12:12]
<MGR> Yes,
I'm aware
L541[19:12:15] <Xal> you can analyze the
frequency and then figure out the key with just the
"cyphertext"
L542[19:12:19] <Xal> how will you fix
this?
L543[19:12:32]
<MGR> Right
this second, that's proprietary
L544[19:12:40] <Xal> lmao
L545[19:12:42] <Xal> k fam
L546[19:12:50]
<MGR> As
soon as the GERT project can be finished, I will resume work
L547[19:13:01] <Nikky> its esy to break
the encryption with just brute force.. then you can modify the body
and keep the hash the same
L548[19:13:07] <Xal> why not stop fucking
around and just use AES
L549[19:13:21]
<MGR> Xal,
because I don't know how to implement AES in lua?!
L550[19:13:26] <CompanionCube>
'proprietary' and 'crypto' belong together approximately
never
L551[19:13:52]
<MGR>
Anyways, I gotta go
L553[19:14:17]
<MGR> Once
Gavle and I finish GERT, we'll resume work on Bagel
L554[19:14:17] <Nikky> give the poor man
the option to make themself a laughingstock
L555[19:14:21] <Xal> 'bout 20 lines of
code
L556[19:14:38] <CompanionCube> 'TEA has a
few weaknesses. Most notably, it suffers from equivalent keys—each
key is equivalent to three others, which means that the effective
key size is only 126 bits.[5] As a result, TEA is especially bad as
a cryptographic hash function.'
L557[19:14:47] <Xal> don't expect security
however, but you'll learn a lot about feistel networks
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L559[19:14:58]
<MGR> Nikky,
I'm not a laughingstock
L560[19:15:03] <Nikky> even easier Xal
there is crypto cards that do offer a set of those methods
L561[19:15:05]
<MGR> My
security isn't great, but TACEATS works
L562[19:15:23] <Nikky> yes MGR you just do
not realize it and thats the best part
L563[19:15:25] <Xal> anyway, MGR I suggest
you don't roll your own crypto
L564[19:15:32] <Xal> that's the first rule
of crypto
L565[19:16:05]
<MGR> Nikky,
false
L566[19:16:13]
<MGR> but
your views are irrelevant
L567[19:16:21]
<MGR> Xal,
I'm aware of the first rule
L568[19:16:24] *
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L569[19:16:26]
<MGR> But
this is also a learning exercise
L570[19:16:45] <Xal> well that's a valid
excuse
L572[19:16:55] <Xal> take a look at
that
L573[19:17:09] <Xal> also broken, but RC4
is a really simple stream cipher you might be interested in
L574[19:17:18] <Nikky> it would be
interesting to roll out a server with OC as main mod and world
protection someohow linked to the users base server..
L575[19:17:57] <Xal> block inside a user's
plot would be unbreakable, but you would be able to right click and
interact everything
L576[19:18:14] <Nikky> that can also be
blocked
L577[19:18:22] <Xal> but shitters would
just seals up their door and mine it to get through
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L580[19:19:18] <Nikky> well the point is
that users have to have a network cable leading outside and
connecting to the global net
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L583[19:19:41] <Xal> and you'd have to
redesign the whole network system so that layer-1 packets could be
sniffed
L584[19:19:47] <Nikky> and when they
security is breached the homeserver gives the atacker the rights to
the plot
L585[19:20:11] <Xal> how about ban network
cable and force everyone to roll their own protocols on top of
bundle cable ;)
L586[19:20:33] <Nikky> that sounds like a
lot more effort to design and break
L587[19:21:36] <Xal> yeah but it means
you'll actually need secure crypto to communicated'
L588[19:21:42] <Xal> communicate*
L589[19:22:26] <Nikky> combine that with a
central server that the players need to communicate with as well as
mandatory connection to other players..
L590[19:23:26] <Nikky> and a basic
protocol of keepalive pings.. my idea gets worse and worse..
L591[19:24:26] <Xal> also you can buy shit
from other players using a cryptocurrency hosted on the
network
L592[19:24:42] <Xal> then some shit
decides he's gonna try to make a supercomputer cluster to take over
the blockchain
L594[19:24:55] <CompanionCube> Xal:
doesn't cryptocurrency require nontrivial CPU time
L595[19:25:27] <Xal> yeah just make the
difficulty really low and banhammer people cheating using OOC
computers to solve hashes
L596[19:25:42] <Nikky> ehh that idea
kindof assumes the server is going to handle all that.. sounds
notrivial..
L597[19:25:45] <Nikky> hmm
L598[19:25:48] <Xal> add gregtech to the
mix and I would play the shit out of that
L599[19:25:56] <CompanionCube> Xal: and
then someone buys an ASIC
L600[19:26:08] <Xal> "banhammer
people cheating using OOC computers to solve hashes"
L601[19:26:22] <CompanionCube> yeah but
you're still screwed
L602[19:26:27] <CompanionCube> you can't
undo the damage
L603[19:26:27] <Xal> you'd need to be
whitelisted and have rules and an honour system
L604[19:26:38] <Xal> it's the only
way
L605[19:27:11] <Nikky> nah i think
cryptocurrency is not needed
L606[19:27:31] <Xal> but it would be
coooool
L607[19:27:34] <Nikky> whitelisted.. yes
but only because the basic base setup and rules are kinda
specific
L608[19:27:47] <Nikky> yes it would
L609[19:31:44] <Nikky> but Xal much more
fun would be the same setup..
L610[19:31:50] <Nikky> using CC
L611[19:32:01] <Nikky> it kinda would be a
horror for the server owner though
L612[19:32:09] <Xal> why would it be more
fun
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L614[19:33:26] <Xal> lmao I just noticed
GMR's stupid "ecncryption" function never changes the
number of bytes the "key" is used for because he
misspells the name of his variable the second time
L616[19:33:51] <Nikky> actually i would
have a little bit more fun .. assuming i am not one of the
contestants
L617[19:37:05] <Nikky> and thats why some
sort of syntax highlighting or a IDE is a good idea to prevent
those mistakes
L618[19:37:56] <Xal> or... forward
declaration!
L619[19:37:59] *
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L622[20:03:47] <Mansavage> hey all, does
anyone know much about how the chunkloader upgrade works?
specifically, will it load a chunk as the robot crosses a chunk
border into unloaded chunks? or does it just keep whatever chunk it
started in loaded?
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L625[20:10:41] <Nikky> iirc and i could be
wrong about that it makes sure that a least the robot and any chunk
it moves into are loaded
L626[20:11:07] <Nikky> if it loads a 3*3
or just a + of chunks i do not know
L627[20:11:27] <Mansavage> cool, thanks
nikky. i'll do some testing
L628[20:12:16] <Nikky> chickenchunks
should be able to show you forcloaded chunks in a popup
window
L629[20:12:39] <Nikky> but the point is
that the bot should never wander into unloaded chunks and
freeze
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L632[20:30:16] <S3> Ocranet example
network ^
L633[20:35:36] <Xal> dead link
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L639[20:52:40] <Dark_> hi, do open
periphal addons terminal bridge work with OC
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L643[20:58:45] <Dark_> ok because bevo has
them both but idk how to use them in conjunction
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L645[21:10:25] <Mansavage> anyone know if
the robot move speed in the settings config has a min value,
something tick related maybe?
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L652[22:55:36] <Izaya> @MGR, Just cause I
don't have many misc OC scripts
L654[22:59:46] <S3> Xal: fix your machine
then
L655[22:59:53] <S3> not a dead link for me
on any machine I got
L657[23:00:07] <Mimiru> it won't load on
my server, works on my desktop
L658[23:00:30] <S3> weird.
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