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L1[00:00:28] <neX!Tem> huh? it skipped to the end
L2[00:01:08] <GreaseMonkey> "working" in the present tense isn't particularly accurate
L3[00:01:19] <GreaseMonkey> erm, as in "working on"
L4[00:01:29] <GreaseMonkey> it does work, it's just that i haven't touched it in months
L5[00:01:43] <Dasm> I broke it :(
L6[00:02:13] <GreaseMonkey> main advantage it has over the lua arch really is you can compile C to it
L7[00:02:16] <neX!Tem> whats in your settings.bat
L8[00:02:35] <GreaseMonkey> i legitimately managed to get mp3s decoding in real time although i had to add fpu emulation to ocmips first
L9[00:02:51] <neX!Tem> its not even trying to execute your minecraft server,
L10[00:02:58] <Xal> GreaseMonkey i'm concerned with your sanity
L11[00:03:03] <Dasm> http://pastebin.com/JGC1z7vd
L12[00:03:24] <GreaseMonkey> Xal: what are you concerned about?
L13[00:03:29] <GreaseMonkey> MIPS is piss-easy to emulate
L14[00:03:34] <Xal> when will a jvm be available on mips
L15[00:04:02] <Xal> rather, when will a jvm be runnable on ocmips
L16[00:04:04] <lperkins2> the real question is if linux-mips can run on it...
L17[00:04:19] <SolraBizna> he had a screenshot of the Linux kernel booting on it
L18[00:04:44] <lperkins2> and how easy is it to attach to peripherals...
L19[00:05:02] <lperkins2> I finally got OCx86 working, as in boots and does text IO
L20[00:05:17] <lperkins2> but adding perihperals would be something of a pain
L21[00:05:19] <neX!Tem> @Dash http://pastebin.com/wQy3AHXx
L22[00:05:39] <neX!Tem> try to run this serverstart.bat
L23[00:07:24] <GreaseMonkey> i legitimately had a screenshot yes, unfortunately i couldn't quite get root to mount
L24[00:07:46] <GreaseMonkey> as for JVM, uhh, that'll be your job not mine ;)
L25[00:07:55] <GreaseMonkey> jamvm is worth looking into
L26[00:08:01] <SolraBizna> I was always planning to get Linux running on OC-ARM, run a JVM in that, run Minecraft in that...
L27[00:08:11] <GreaseMonkey> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se8/html/ <-- that thing
L28[00:08:14] <GreaseMonkey> might help
L29[00:08:22] <GreaseMonkey> if you would rather write your own JVM that is
L30[00:08:52] <GreaseMonkey> nice thing about ocmips is it has virtual memory support, and i used to be able to run lua 5.3.2 (~350KB) on a T1 stick of RAM (192KB)
L31[00:09:03] <Dasm> Corded: That gave me the problem I had to begin with
L32[00:09:04] <GreaseMonkey> although it took 19 minutes to start up
L33[00:09:20] <GreaseMonkey> with sufficient RAM it takes about 6 seconds
L34[00:09:21] <Izaya> GreaseMonkey: did you have FORTH for it?
L35[00:09:25] <GreaseMonkey> Izaya: nope
L36[00:09:29] <lperkins2> how long did the kernal take to load?
L37[00:09:44] <GreaseMonkey> bootloader is on the EEPROM and it loads a static ELF file
L38[00:09:49] <neX!Tem> dasm, you think you can pack your whole installation upload it?
L39[00:09:54] <neX!Tem> dont need the /mods folder though.
L40[00:10:03] <GreaseMonkey> i had a nanokernel handling the virtual memory stuff which also loaded the lua ELF image
L41[00:10:31] <lperkins2> Dash, you might try MultiMC
L42[00:10:38] <GreaseMonkey> of course i do have lua 5.3.2 running on bare metal as well, but that requires 512KB of RAM at the very least
L43[00:10:45] <lperkins2> it's what I use for launching modded minecraft, and it manages classpaths and everything for you
L44[00:11:34] <neX!Tem> isnt that just for client not server?
L45[00:11:47] <lperkins2> oh, crap, you're right
L46[00:11:59] <lperkins2> I'm having an off night...
L47[00:12:19] <neX!Tem> well in theory he can still use it, setup everything for his client, than launch it as a -server
L48[00:13:12] <Dasm> I started it.. somhow
L49[00:13:47] <Dasm> and a crash
L50[00:13:58] <lperkins2> yeah, I still use it for managing mods and what not
L51[00:14:50] <neX!Tem> new error?
L52[00:15:35] <Dasm> Corded: http://pastebin.com/3hEpcdh8
L53[00:16:06] <lperkins2> possibly incompatible mod versions?
L54[00:16:13] <lperkins2> extra utilities and ender io
L55[00:16:44] <Dasm> I have a friend working with me on the same pack and he's launching it with no problems
L56[00:17:08] <lperkins2> same config options?
L57[00:17:38] <Dasm> Yes.
L58[00:17:48] <neX!Tem> at least you are getting somewhere dasm
L59[00:17:55] <neX!Tem> as in, server is starting, so no java aproblem
L60[00:18:02] <lperkins2> It's a crash after the server is started,
L61[00:18:07] <lperkins2> this is in the block tick stuff
L62[00:18:21] <lperkins2> specifically the block at -347,59,990
L63[00:18:38] <Dasm> So something in my world that is running caused it?
L64[00:18:42] <neX!Tem> delet world
L65[00:18:43] <lperkins2> yup
L66[00:18:47] <lperkins2> mcedit
L67[00:18:54] <Dasm> Alright
L68[00:18:57] <lperkins2> or the nbt editor could remove just that block
L69[00:19:04] <neX!Tem> yea i dont recommend mcedit
L70[00:19:14] <neX!Tem> last time I used it, blockes were gone
L71[00:19:15] <SolraBizna> Corded is a bot, neX!Tem is communicating through it
L72[00:19:17] <Dasm> Okay, I will try it, how can I use the nbt edit to do it?
L73[00:19:59] <lperkins2> I've only ever run mcedit from source, and it worked fine, as long as you don't try to edit mod blocks
L74[00:20:47] <Xal> GreaseMonkey would it be possible to do JIT
L75[00:21:11] <lperkins2> as for editing the nbt, there's a python library for it, but I have no idea what the structure of the save is on 1.10
L76[00:21:12] <snowden89> but what if corrupt block is mod block?
L77[00:21:12] <Dasm> lperkins2: What file do I need to access to delete that block?
L78[00:21:17] <SolraBizna> Very possible, but fairly difficult
L79[00:21:31] <neX!Tem> level.dat I think?
L80[00:21:34] <lperkins2> snowden89 you can delete mod blocks, just not mess with them
L81[00:21:36] <neX!Tem> I never used nbtedit
L82[00:21:42] <lperkins2> nah, it'll be one of the region files
L83[00:21:52] <neX!Tem> wait
L84[00:21:58] <lperkins2> looks like r.-1.0
L85[00:22:00] <neX!Tem> there is a tool to find out what file
L86[00:22:00] <Dasm> nbt editor can't open that
L87[00:22:17] <neX!Tem> https://dinnerbone.com/minecraft/tools/coordinates/
L88[00:22:32] <lperkins2> the file will be probably a zip file, with the nbt stuff inside
L89[00:23:12] <lperkins2> if there is nothing critical in region r.-1.1.mca, I'd just remove the whole file
L90[00:23:15] <neX!Tem> NBTExplorer can open region files
L91[00:23:18] <lperkins2> make a backup first
L92[00:23:41] <lperkins2> if there is important stuff, I'd try mcedit, assuming your computer has about 10gb of free memory
L93[00:23:58] <neX!Tem> https://github.com/jaquadro/NBTExplorer
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L95[00:25:49] <jaquadro> That was an interesting way to get a channel ping
L96[00:26:33] <Dasm> I already have nbtexplorer
L97[00:26:55] <Dasm> recion files are .mca?
L98[00:26:59] <Dasm> region*
L99[00:27:26] <neX!Tem> yes
L100[00:27:34] <neX!Tem> they have names like r.4.2
L101[00:27:37] <neX!Tem> they have names like r.4.2.mca
L102[00:28:31] <Dasm> And I can edit it with nbteditor?
L103[00:28:46] <Dasm> I can!
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L105[00:29:46] <neX!Tem> yes
L106[00:29:52] <neX!Tem> now just find the region
L107[00:30:22] <Dasm> I also found the region
L108[00:30:29] <neX!Tem> should be r.-1.1.mca
L109[00:30:53] <Dasm> Chunk 10,29 in world at (-22,61)
L110[00:31:17] <GreaseMonkey> Xal: for JVM? depends on how much RAM you've got
L111[00:32:49] <Xal> not for ocmips
L112[00:32:52] <Dasm> But how do I pinpoint that block
L113[00:32:52] <Xal> no*
L114[00:33:05] <Xal> some bytecode manipulation trickery perhaps?
L115[00:33:26] <SolraBizna> Java is designed to allow secure, sandboxed implementation
L116[00:33:28] <neX!Tem> I never used it as I said, Can't you delete cordinates or something?
L117[00:33:36] <SolraBizna> (it also has a history of serious security problems anyway)
L118[00:33:37] <neX!Tem> only the whole chunk?
L119[00:33:47] <Dasm> Corded: That is at my base
L120[00:34:07] <neX!Tem> yea deleting that chunk would be a problem
L121[00:34:11] <neX!Tem> ^^
L122[00:34:18] <jaquadro> Sorry, blocks are stored as ByteArrays (with a separated ByteArray for the upper nibble)
L123[00:34:28] <jaquadro> It's represented in-program as a hex block
L124[00:34:49] <neX!Tem> can someone explain me how I can copy the whole contents of a rom into my computer?
L125[00:34:54] <SolraBizna> what kind of tile entity is it?
L126[00:35:04] <neX!Tem> im trying flash -r /home/rom/ but thats no good
L127[00:35:06] <SolraBizna> nexitem: do you mean, get the contents of an eeprom?
L128[00:35:14] <neX!Tem> yes
L129[00:35:45] <neX!Tem> ok i think i got it
L130[00:35:57] <SolraBizna> component.eeprom.get() will get you the data
L131[00:36:51] <Dasm> A conduit bundle is causing a server crash?
L132[00:37:57] <lperkins2> yes
L133[00:38:19] <lperkins2> it looks like the conduit bundle has an extra utilities tile entitiy associated with it
L134[00:38:36] <neX!Tem> thanks solra
L135[00:40:04] <Dasm> Now the server is retroactively adding ore
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L140[00:54:03] <Dasm> Crash again http://pastebin.com/vjq2b32x
L141[00:54:32] <Dasm> I loaded into the server at least and was moving towards my base, and when I loaded the chuck I guess then it crashed
L142[00:55:15] <SolraBizna> interesting
L143[00:55:22] <Dasm> another conduit bundle
L144[00:55:46] <Dasm> -331,55,1019 ?
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L146[00:57:38] <lperkins2> yup
L147[00:57:47] <lperkins2> at least it's a different location
L148[00:58:49] <Dasm> Maybe I should just search all conduit bundles and delete them
L149[01:03:15] <neX!Tem> tbh
L150[01:03:28] <neX!Tem> are you sure the mods you have installed are the same like in the world?'
L151[01:03:48] <neX!Tem> maybe it cant find specific mod releated blocks and crashes cause of it
L152[01:07:43] <neX!Tem> is openrun capable of autorun?
L153[01:07:50] <neX!Tem> or something I can launch at systemstarT?
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L155[01:09:54] <Dasm> Corded: Maybe an updated version of the modpack has broken it
L156[01:10:01] <gamax92> hey GreaseMonkey, you still here?
L157[01:10:07] <GreaseMonkey> yes
L158[01:10:27] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: what do you think about the idea of compiling stuff as MIPS binaries and then translating it to JVM code?
L159[01:10:35] <GreaseMonkey> that would be the sensible option yes
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L161[01:11:00] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: oh?
L162[01:11:11] <GreaseMonkey> wait
L163[01:11:13] <GreaseMonkey> i misread
L164[01:11:19] <GreaseMonkey> i thought you meant compiling classes to MIPS binaries
L165[01:11:33] <GreaseMonkey> translating to JVM code would be a bit tricky for something to run live
L166[01:11:52] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: NestedVM tries to make MIPS binaries into JVM code
L167[01:12:31] <gamax92> I couldn't get it to work though it just gave me an exception about trampolines
L168[01:12:42] <gamax92> also lua wouldn't compile with the libc it uses (newlib)
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L170[01:27:34] <Dasm> I'm deleting these blockConduitBundleTileEntity with nbt edit, but I don't think they're actually getting deleted?
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L172[01:28:53] <lperkins2> well, the location of the crash changed
L173[01:29:01] <lperkins2> but that might or might not mean anything...
L174[01:29:18] <Dasm> I mean, I'm trying to delete all conduit bundles.. apparently there are many of them though
L175[01:30:46] <lperkins2> I would expect that, all the pipes you've run
L176[01:31:53] <gamax92> I'm gonna try out a piece of software so old it basically requires a docker where everything is setup in an old environment
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L178[01:32:39] <Dasm> I'm going wireless transmission next time
L179[01:34:23] <gamax92> I do have to give docker that, it makes it easy to get a working snapshot of now-problematic or outdated software
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L184[01:47:07] <lperkins2> is there a way in OC's lua prompt to increase the scrollback?
L185[01:56:34] <Dasm> Okay, I got MCedit, but apparently it doesn't recognize any modded blocks
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L188[02:06:13] <lperkins2> correct, mcedit should just show a generic thingy for all modded blocks
L189[02:06:30] <lperkins2> nevertheless you should be able to tell it to remove all modded blocks with a particular ID
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L191[02:18:31] <Dasm> Wow... the controls in this application are attrocious
L192[02:19:51] <lperkins2> yup...
L193[02:20:10] <lperkins2> I'm sorry I'm not more help, I've not had to rescue a broken world in like 2 years,
L194[02:20:14] <lperkins2> (take frequent backups)
L195[02:20:50] <lperkins2> so I don't really remember how it all works, plus I'm on linux, so I have the latest source version of mcedit
L196[02:21:32] <lperkins2> The other thing that could work would be to start the server without the extra utilities or ender io
L197[02:21:38] <lperkins2> it will remove all their blocks and items
L198[02:21:45] <lperkins2> then put them back
L199[02:22:45] <Dasm> Why didn't I think of that from the start?
L200[02:23:56] <lperkins2> why did I just now think of it?
L201[02:24:25] <lperkins2> if it had been a single bad block, then not yanking everything related to both mods out would be nice
L202[02:24:31] <lperkins2> but I'd give it a try at this point
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L204[02:36:07] <Dasm> I don't think this was supposed to happen http://i.imgur.com/bmfWoFP.png
L205[02:38:15] * Lizzy yawns and snuggles her vifino
L206[02:40:13] <Forecaster> looks like a fire supression system gone rogue :P
L207[02:42:07] <Dasm> A bunch of blocks got replaced by other blocks.. its a mess
L208[02:42:47] <Forecaster> fire replaced by water? my theory still holds
L209[02:42:50] <Forecaster> ...water
L210[02:43:28] <Forecaster> (⌐■_■)
L211[02:43:59] <Dasm> These fences are supposed to be rubber trees http://i.imgur.com/st8dfxZ.jpg
L212[02:44:28] <Forecaster> Seems like you've got a rogue alchemist on your hands
L213[02:44:46] <Forecaster> that's going around transmuting things
L214[02:45:22] <lperkins2> so, where did you get your server world files?
L215[02:45:43] <lperkins2> it looks a lot like what happens in 1.7.10 when the numeric id->string id map gets busted
L216[02:46:29] <lperkins2> 1.10 isn't supposed to have numeric ids, but it still uses them for the actual block storage on disk, which might have gotten broken in your move from wherever
L217[02:49:02] <Dasm> I just updated the modpack and this happened
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L219[02:54:16] <lperkins2> your friend with the same modpack, did he have similar stuff in the world he updated?
L220[03:07:26] <Dasm> UGH
L221[03:07:38] <Dasm> I just figured out what the heck was going on to begin with
L222[03:07:49] <Dasm> They didn't put the right libraries with the server files
L223[03:07:52] <Forecaster> magical funtimes
L224[03:08:01] <Dasm> so I downloaded the correct libraries from FML
L225[03:08:02] <Inari> Forecaster: Magical funtimes with skyrim modding D:
L226[03:08:10] <Forecaster> :P
L227[03:08:23] * Inari has been debugging this skyrim crash for like 2 days now ¬_¬
L228[03:11:24] <Inari> I swear at the end im going to be looking at skyrim asm code to figure this out
L229[03:13:19] <lperkins2> so, in lua 5.3, i've got a table (t), with a metatable (mt1), with a metatable (mt2). mt2 has a __tostring method, and an __index method
L230[03:13:40] <lperkins2> calling tostring(t) returns the default (table :0x...)
L231[03:13:56] <gamax92> "lua: bad conversion number->int; must recompile Lua with proper settings"
L232[03:14:02] <gamax92> well fuck you too D:<
L233[03:14:15] <Dasm> I fixed it! it worked!
L234[03:14:35] <lperkins2> calling getmetatable(t).__tostring(t) returns the expected value
L235[03:15:33] <lperkins2> any idea what i need to do differently to have the mt2's stuff work for t?
L236[03:24:11] <lperkins2> hm, looks like I can always use mt2 for the metatable, and just explicitly check what had been the intermediary metatable
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L238[03:32:15] <Dasm> How do I make this thing work? http://i.imgur.com/BC4A2du.png
L239[03:34:27] <Forecaster> you do things with the other things
L240[03:36:22] <Dasm> I had to put a disk drive behind it for some reason
L241[03:37:51] <gamax92> ooooooh :3
L242[03:38:01] <gamax92> I got a working .class file out of this tool
L243[03:45:30] <gamax92> I threw procyon and cfr at it ... so far they have hung
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L245[03:51:43] <Dasm> Great, I'm stuck in an RF tools dimension
L246[03:52:22] <gamax92> cfr ran out of memory
L247[03:52:55] <lperkins2> does OC respect __mode entries in metatables?
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L249[04:10:24] <gamax92> gave cfr 4GB, ran out of memory
L250[04:10:42] <gamax92> I'mma try with 6
L251[04:10:56] <Inari> cfr?
L252[04:12:51] <gamax92> CFR is a decompiler
L253[04:15:17] <Inari> cutting floor room?
L254[04:16:02] <gamax92> I dunno
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L256[04:25:20] <Hovercraft> Choose Files Randomly?
L257[04:29:33] <Hovercraft> Cure for rm might work too (rm being the linux thing)
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L272[05:30:33] <neX!Tem> how can I pass parameters when loading another lua file within my code?
L273[05:31:30] <neX!Tem> assert(loadfile("test.lua"))(test, test) ???
L274[05:31:41] <neX!Tem> assert(loadfile("test.lua"))(par1, par2) ???
L275[05:31:59] <Lizzy> I don't think it works like that
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L277[05:32:36] <Lizzy> do you just need the output from test.lua or is it also a library file of some kind?
L278[05:34:08] <neX!Tem> im trying to make a autorun script
L279[05:34:28] <Lizzy> ?
L280[05:35:28] <neX!Tem> im fairly new to lua, and programming. Its not a library im calling if thats the question
L281[05:35:58] <neX!Tem> its basically just another lua script but that script can have different parameters
L282[05:36:11] <RequirFreq> To talk to an ME network, placing an adapter next to the ME controller doesn't add it to the components list?
L283[05:39:37] <DaMachinator> neX!Tem: isn't there like shell.run or os.run
L284[05:40:50] <DaMachinator> neX!Tem: you want shell.execute()
L285[05:40:56] <DaMachinator> http://ocdoc.cil.li/api:shell
L286[05:41:39] <Lizzy> yeah, shell.run will be much better for that
L287[05:42:01] <DaMachinator> or possibly http://ocdoc.cil.li/api:process
L288[05:42:12] <DaMachinator> RequirFreq: I think the ME controller is a component in and of itself.
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L292[05:44:15] <Dasm> Anyone home?
L293[05:44:38] <Lizzy> no, noone has been talking within the last 12 hours
L294[05:44:42] <Lizzy> </sarcasm>
L295[05:44:44] <gamax92> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-1dApazt-U
L296[05:44:44] <MichiBot> Indecisive Car | length: 10s | Likes: 709 Dislikes: 3 Views: 50,092 | by Andy Cone | Published On 18/10/2016
L297[05:45:46] <Forecaster> I'm at work :D
L298[05:45:50] <Forecaster> so not home
L299[05:46:04] <RequirFreq> DaMacinator, so by that you mean it has a unique handle of what? me_controller doesn't seem to exist.
L300[05:47:34] <Lizzy> s/me/meo
L301[05:47:34] <MichiBot> <RequirFreq> DaMacinator, so by that you meoan it has a unique handle of what? me_controller doesn't seem to exist.
L302[05:47:38] <Lizzy> ffs
L303[05:47:44] <Lizzy> s/home/homo
L304[05:47:44] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> so not homo
L305[05:47:51] <Dasm> I came back to my base to find that my computer cannot boot because of too many connected devices 82/32 there is NO way that there are 82 things hooked up to my server. And also, I can't remove the floppy drive because for some reason the installed OS I put on it isn't bootable media
L306[05:48:15] <Lizzy> Dasm, got a screenshot of your setup?
L307[05:50:33] <neX!Tem> yes shell or process seem to be much better
L308[05:50:37] <neX!Tem> thanks
L309[05:50:37] <Dasm> http://i.imgur.com/Gh2SikW.png
L310[05:50:38] <DaMachinator> RequireFreq: I don't know, that's what component.list is for
L311[05:50:58] <DaMachinator> - lua
L312[05:51:09] <DaMachinator> - cp = require("component")
L313[05:51:19] <DaMachinator> - =cp.list()
L314[05:51:30] <DaMachinator> on OpenOS
L315[05:51:38] <DaMachinator> will give you a list of all attached components
L316[05:51:39] <RequirFreq> Guess it isn't implemented in Direwolf20 1.10.2 pack v1.1.3
L317[05:51:49] <RequirFreq> or =component.list() for short ;)
L318[05:51:51] <DaMachinator> ok probably not
L319[05:52:02] <DaMachinator> RequirFreq: you have to require() it first
L320[05:52:06] <DaMachinator> and don't use local
L321[05:52:12] <DaMachinator> or it will be local to that line
L322[05:52:33] <DaMachinator> RequirFreq: If you do what i showed, it is in fact cp.list()
L323[05:52:49] <RequirFreq> =component.list() is the same thing, correct?
L324[05:53:01] <Dasm> someting is getting all messed up when I let this chunk unload
L325[05:53:44] <DaMachinator> RequirFreq: when you use lib = require("libname")
L326[05:53:51] <DaMachinator> you HAVE to use lib, not libname
L327[05:54:16] <DaMachinator> I can require the component api as redstone = require("component")
L328[05:54:17] <RequirFreq> I'm just saying, =component.list() works, and gives me a similar output.
L329[05:54:29] <DaMachinator> then never mind
L330[05:54:31] <RequirFreq> so single line instead of multi
L331[05:54:41] <DaMachinator> so you're saying the controller isn't a component...
L332[05:54:56] <DaMachinator> it is in 1.7.10, but 1.10 probably doesn't work
L333[05:55:12] <RequirFreq> Yes, since 1.10 AE2 is a port since the old devs abandoned it, I'm assuming they just haven't gotten around to porting OpenOS stuff.
L334[05:55:45] <RequirFreq> It is a shame, controlling the ME2 network is half the fun.
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L336[05:56:24] <DaMachinator> I think the AE2 integration is on OC's end, actually.
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L338[05:58:53] <RequirFreq> Well whether it be an ME Controller, ME Interface or ME Export bus, none of them show up when placed next to an adapter. So not sure what the hold up us.
L339[05:59:06] <RequirFreq> hold up is.*
L340[06:00:43] <Dasm> Why do I have to keep installing OpenOS?
L341[06:01:01] <RequirFreq> You did 'install openOS'?
L342[06:01:10] <DaMachinator> RequirFreq: i thought that the ME controller was a component
L343[06:01:16] <DaMachinator> as in, no adapter required
L344[06:01:35] <RequirFreq> Like an OC cable will connect to it?
L345[06:01:50] <Dasm> RequirFreq: Yes, and then I remove the floppy and reboot, works fine BUT if I leave that chunk- it forgets its information
L346[06:01:52] <DaMachinator> I think so.
L347[06:02:03] <DaMachinator> Dasm: There is a reason for that.
L348[06:02:06] <RequirFreq> Cable doesn't want to play.
L349[06:02:20] <DaMachinator> then something broke over version changes
L350[06:03:21] <DaMachinator> Dasm: it has to do with the way OC implements Lua: http://ocdoc.cil.li/start?s[]=java#persistence
L351[06:03:51] <RequirFreq> Surprising 1.10.2 isn't the focused version now, since it has the highest download count.
L352[06:04:37] <neX!Tem> the 1.10.2 packs are quite new
L353[06:04:41] <neX!Tem> direwolf20 came out 2 weeks ago
L354[06:05:05] <Dasm> Also.. how do I jump from 5 connected components to 85 connected components when I attach my reactor? that makes no sense- I had it connected earlier and it showed 16
L355[06:05:06] <DaMachinator> RequirFreq: because in all probability everyone who wants to play 1.7.10 already has a copy...
L356[06:05:16] <DaMachinator> Dasm: what kind of reactor
L357[06:05:19] <neX!Tem> and even that is missing stuff, Railcraft boilers, thaumcraft... It will take some time before mod developers finally abadon 1.7
L358[06:05:28] <DaMachinator> there are like 3 mods that add reactors
L359[06:05:34] <Lizzy> DaMachinator, what mod is the reactor from?
L360[06:05:41] <DaMachinator> that's what i'm asking
L361[06:05:57] <DaMachinator> Dasm: From what mod is the reactor you are trying to use
L362[06:06:01] <Lizzy> Dasm, also is it forgetting the content of the hdds or is it just not being on when you go back to it
L363[06:06:50] <Dasm> DaMachinator: ExtremeReactors, which is a port of BigReactors
L364[06:07:04] <Dasm> Lizzy: So how do I force it to retain the data?
L365[06:07:19] <Lizzy> Dasm, that's not answering my question
L366[06:07:48] <Dasm> What's the point of having a HDD if the data gets wiped everytime its state is off, I may as well be running the whole thing on volatile memory (RAM)
L367[06:08:08] <neX!Tem> did you install openOS?
L368[06:08:12] <Lizzy> are you sure that the hdd is getting wiped or is it just the computer turning off?
L369[06:08:15] <Dasm> Lizzy: Oh, I didn't realize it was a question
L370[06:08:56] <Dasm> Lizzy: I'm sure its getting wiped. I can reboot all day with no OS floppy on it until I leave the area- then it tells me no bootable media detected
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L372[06:09:42] <Lizzy> Dasm, that sounds like a bug
L373[06:10:22] <Lizzy> even if you game reverts to LuaJ (non-persistable Lua) the hdd should keep it's data
L374[06:10:49] <Lizzy> post an issue on the github issue tracker
L375[06:11:19] <Dasm> And this also has to be a bug with the number of components, the only changes I've made to my reactor has been adding fuel.
L376[06:11:44] <Forecaster> check if it is writing anything to the folders?
L377[06:11:45] <Lizzy> do you have a screenshot of your reactor and computer setup?
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L379[06:14:30] <Forecaster> oh neat, conveyor upgrades
L380[06:14:40] <Dasm> Now there are 434 connected components?! I give up, good night
L381[06:14:43] <Forecaster> only 1 trillion
L382[06:16:32] <Dasm> There is no way that there is that many components connected http://imgur.com/a/DXGFI
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L385[06:19:02] <Forecaster> maybe the EIO cables are components?
L386[06:19:04] <Forecaster> :P
L387[06:19:26] <Dasm> I hat it working before, that's the frustrating bit
L388[06:19:36] <Lizzy> hmm
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L390[06:28:28] <Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/9sUUhYA.jpg
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L394[06:37:22] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L395[06:38:26] <vifino> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxxHDTz8J4
L396[06:38:26] <MichiBot> We Are Number One but it's bing-bonged by Donald Trump (featuring his political friends) | length: 2m 40s | Likes: 20,485 Dislikes: 178 Views: 444,473 | by grandayy | Published On 23/11/2016
L397[06:38:41] <Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/MEmxA9R.gif
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L399[06:42:06] *** Liz is now known as Vu
L400[06:43:34] <neX!Tem> that video gave mecancer
L401[06:43:37] <neX!Tem> that video gave me cancer
L402[06:43:45] <neX!Tem> and a horrible rofl flash
L403[06:47:27] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/zeEcELQ
L404[06:47:29] <Forecaster> hahaha
L405[06:47:29] <vifino> neX!Tem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAsKc-osuC0
L406[06:47:29] <MichiBot> Donald Trump Bing Bong Remixes for 10 Hours | length: 10h 2s | Likes: 17,119 Dislikes: 434 Views: 1,176,018 | by Ten Hour Guy | Published On 28/3/2016
L407[06:47:33] <vifino> you're welcome.
L408[06:49:10] <Forecaster> psh, it's 2 seconds too long!
L409[06:49:15] <Forecaster> everything is lies
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L411[06:58:53] <Vexatos> %tell gamax92 https://github.com/Vexatos/OpenComputers/commit/798d037fa6a1acc87d65b79a3cbfe54aa5984b9a
L412[06:58:53] <MichiBot> Vexatos: gamax92 will be notified of this message when next seen.
L413[06:59:20] <gamax92> Vexatos: good night.
L414[06:59:23] <Vexatos> o\
L415[07:01:10] <Vexatos> gamax92, So I learned that AL_MAX_DISTANCE is by no means the max distance :P
L416[07:01:23] <Vexatos> It is the distance at which rolloff and gain will stop being applied >_>
L417[07:01:33] <Vexatos> thus anything beyond is a constant volume
L418[07:02:00] <neX!Tem> does openOS run the autorun.lua per default?
L419[07:02:31] <Vexatos> yes but you should use .shrc
L420[07:02:45] <Vexatos> outside of floppy disks
L421[07:03:05] <neX!Tem> shrc?
L422[07:04:21] <Caitlyn> This is rather annoying http://michi.pc-logix.com/2016-12-07_07-03-52.mp4
L423[07:06:01] <Caitlyn> killing explorer again fixed it
L424[07:06:50] <Forecaster> huh, never seen that before
L425[07:14:32] <neX!Tem> thank you shrc is perfect ?
L426[07:23:27] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/Njq1d
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L429[07:25:18] <Georggi> Hey guys, is there a way to get NBT data from IC2 Crops with OpenComputers\Computronics?
L430[07:26:28] <Inari> Right so
L431[07:26:32] <Inari> Whats a good and free AV?
L432[07:27:10] <neX!Tem> where is openOS pulling the welcomemessage text from that you see when you boot up the computer?
L433[07:27:31] <Forecaster> the nether
L434[07:27:34] <Forecaster> :D
L435[07:27:46] <Caitlyn> Inari, I use avast
L436[07:27:56] <neX!Tem> I hope not
L437[07:28:00] <neX!Tem> i dont wanna go there
L438[07:28:20] <Caitlyn> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/OC1.6-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/usr/misc/greetings.txt
L439[07:28:39] <Caitlyn> you mean that?
L440[07:28:52] <neX!Tem> ^^ yes
L441[07:29:10] <neX!Tem> thanks
L442[07:31:52] <neX!Tem> someone should make a os similar to the stuff you see in fallout 3 and 4... vaulttec
L443[07:34:46] <Forecaster> why?
L444[07:35:16] <Forecaster> there's not so much an os in fallout as a way to read a few files and throw switches :P
L445[07:36:35] <DaMachinator> someone made the hacking puzzle
L446[07:36:46] <neX!Tem> yes in fallout BUT
L447[07:37:22] <neX!Tem> wasnt talking in cloning it, more like skinning a os to make it look like that and ofc add full functionality ^^
L448[07:37:51] <neX!Tem> really? where
L449[07:37:56] <neX!Tem> i need to find that hacking puzzle omg ^^
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L451[07:51:44] <Inari> Debugging access violations, how D:
L452[07:53:04] <Forecaster> there is a large number of different stars in elite
L453[07:53:07] <Forecaster> :|
L454[07:53:14] * Forecaster had to write each one into an array
L455[08:07:49] <Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/pS2PuAJ.jpg
L456[08:10:51] <Caitlyn> I'm strongly considering calling in a bomb scare
L457[08:10:58] <Lizzy> lol?
L458[08:11:53] <Caitlyn> Yeah.. driving off a few miles from home, using this phone with no service that's never been registered to me, calling 911 telling them I've planted a bomb at sears..
L459[08:13:43] <Caitlyn> I mean... I'd never do it
L460[08:13:53] <Caitlyn> but it's times like this that'd I'd strongly consider it
L461[08:13:58] <Lizzy> :/
L462[08:14:45] <Caitlyn> I'm disgruntled, not malicious
L463[08:15:37] <Forecaster> disgrunted > maliuntled > disilicious > malicious
L464[08:21:11] <neX!Tem> can I change the way openOS displays text color to a different color?
L465[08:27:59] <Caitlyn> http://imgur.com/gallery/1d8qag7
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L467[08:29:01] <Forecaster> what an odd place to to a wheelie
L468[08:29:26] <Caitlyn> I love how this is a 2 lane road... and these 2 cars are just driving down the middle passing like it's no biggy
L469[08:29:47] <Lizzy> yep, Russioa
L470[08:29:50] <Lizzy> *Russia
L471[08:30:13] <neX!Tem> And i tought hungarians drive like idiots
L472[08:32:02] <Mettaton_Fab> how about Mercedes drivers?
L473[08:47:07] <Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/axhMvzx.png
L474[08:47:09] <Forecaster> heh
L475[08:47:21] <Forecaster> my A button is usually broken.
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L477[08:53:22] <neX!Tem> i dont know why
L478[08:53:34] <neX!Tem> but my computers freeze when the chunk gets unloaden and loaded again
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L480[09:03:13] <Forecaster> maybe they're too cold, move to a desert
L481[09:06:02] <Forecaster> TIL AOL owns Winamp
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L483[09:06:28] <Avaja> Hello!
L484[09:06:32] <Forecaster> hi
L485[09:06:44] <Avaja> help me/
L486[09:06:45] <Avaja> .
L487[09:07:00] <Kodos> Sure, but we're not mind readers
L488[09:07:26] <Forecaster> we can pray for you
L489[09:07:28] <Forecaster> that's about it
L490[09:07:40] <Avaja> I wrote an addon, there is an upgrade, it works, but it is not placed in a container upgrade.
L491[09:07:44] <Michiyo> s/owns/owned/
L492[09:07:44] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> TIL AOL owned Winamp
L493[09:08:02] <Forecaster> oh :P
L494[09:08:09] * Forecaster didn't check the date of the post
L495[09:08:30] <Michiyo> AOL Sells Winamp And Shoutcast For $5-10M To Radionomy
L496[09:09:15] <Michiyo> They almost didn't sell it, and it almost just went poof.
L497[09:09:35] <Forecaster> I don't even use winamp :P
L498[09:09:37] <Michiyo> though the tagging system no longer works cause the service isn't paid for anymore
L499[09:09:45] <Michiyo> I love winamp
L500[09:10:06] <Michiyo> I've used winamp since Napster was a thing :P
L501[09:10:16] <Michiyo> Original napster* :P
L502[09:10:25] <Avaja> implement interface?
L503[09:10:51] <Michiyo> Vivendi also bought majority shares, so I guess they control winamp..
L504[09:11:17] <Michiyo> Avaja, none of my add on mods mess with the container upgrade so I'm not sure...
L505[09:11:28] <Michiyo> Never tried.
L506[09:12:25] <Avaja> Michiyo, implements Item, HostAware, EnvironmentAware
L507[09:12:35] * Michiyo shrugs
L508[09:12:40] <Michiyo> like I said, never bothered with 'em
L509[09:12:42] <Michiyo> so no idea
L510[09:12:49] <Michiyo> I'm also at work, so I can't try to debug
L511[09:13:06] <Mettaton_Fab> currently burning a Ubuntu 14.04.4 64-bit disc
L512[09:13:30] <Lizzy> why are you buring an old version?
L513[09:14:49] <Michiyo> For the same reason they like 775 CPUs..? "who the fuck knows"
L514[09:15:31] <Mettaton_Fab> maybe because i heard bad stuff about 16.04
L515[09:15:56] <Mettaton_Fab> you can address me as a "he"
L516[09:16:47] <Lizzy> what bad stuff?
L517[09:19:56] <Michiyo> Forecaster, that conveyor upgrade was expensive but nice
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L519[09:21:46] <Michiyo> doesn't do a WHOLE lot for me as I'm still on plastic, and only have 4 sellers running ATM, but it's still nice
L520[09:21:57] <Michiyo> errr
L521[09:22:00] <Michiyo> electronics I mean
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L523[09:55:03] <Inari> Ah someones doing idlefactory :P
L524[09:55:11] <Inari> How are you still on plastics
L525[09:55:15] <Inari> While having conveyor ugprade
L526[09:57:36] <Mettaton_Fab> apparently my ubuntu iso was crappy.
L527[09:58:21] * Michiyo sigh
L528[09:58:25] <Michiyo> boss is here
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L531[10:01:47] <Forecaster> I have a gun line, but upgrading conveyors is not worth it yet
L532[10:02:17] <Forecaster> when I get to work tomorrow I should be able to research no-waste-electronics
L533[10:02:19] <Forecaster> :D
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L536[10:04:20] <Forecaster> so, there's a new burger king on the way home, with drive through
L537[10:04:46] <Forecaster> it looked like they'd about finished building it and such, so I was about to turn in and see if they were open
L538[10:05:09] <Forecaster> then I remembered that I can't roll down the driver side window...
L539[10:05:15] <Forecaster> my car burger blocked me >:
L540[10:07:27] <Mettaton_Fab> Forecaster, could you get me some DVD-R/DVD-RW blank discs?
L541[10:07:38] <Forecaster> no
L542[10:07:40] <Mettaton_Fab> i just burned one for nothing.
L543[10:07:51] <Forecaster> I have a pile, they're all mine.
L544[10:08:41] <Mettaton_Fab> because explorer shows me that it has no data on it, but something has been written to it.
L545[10:09:12] <Mettaton_Fab> i just used up a blank disc for a crapped up Ubuntu ISO
L546[10:11:10] <Mettaton_Fab> so should i just install winxp again or just throw away the pc?
L547[10:13:43] <Kane_Hart> Nice site
L548[10:13:44] <Kane_Hart> https://i.imgur.com/BPxkXBM.png
L549[10:14:19] <Lizzy> yes, i'm doing an update on it
L550[10:14:37] <Lizzy> there, it's back
L551[10:14:42] <Kane_Hart> :P damn slow ;)
L552[10:15:00] <Kane_Hart> I updated xenforo for my site the other day too I guess it's update week :)
L553[10:15:46] <Lizzy> Kane_Hart, does it go back ot being fast after the initla load?
L554[10:16:44] <Kane_Hart> OC site? it seems fast yeah. You caching some more files now?
L555[10:16:57] <Kane_Hart> I don't visit that often so I'm not sure how it's suppose to be
L556[10:19:08] <Lizzy> There's no extra caching on the server end. I guess when it did the update the content/timestamp on a lot of the static files changed so if your browser had local caches it had to reacquire them or something
L557[10:19:55] <Inari> Still better than steam cache
L558[10:21:09] *** alfw is now known as alfw|Off
L559[10:22:15] <Kane_Hart> steam cache is amazing
L560[10:22:25] <Kane_Hart> I get entertained by reading other peoples private info :P
L561[10:22:54] <Kane_Hart> funny thing was that not last Christmas? :O
L562[10:23:40] <Inari> I believe around that time, yeah
L563[10:38:47] <Mettaton_Fab> "Last Christmas, I gave you my heart..."
L564[10:39:39] <Lizzy> and i burnt it
L565[10:40:26] <Forecaster> by running electricity through it
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L567[10:41:17] <Kane_Hart> ohh sweet
L568[10:41:17] <Kane_Hart> https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenComputers/comments/4ylecc/an_open_computer_program_for_server_owners_shows/
L569[10:41:21] <Kane_Hart> looking for something like this
L570[10:43:55] <Kane_Hart> Not sure how touch screen works prob missing a module
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L572[10:45:08] <Kane_Hart> Oh maybe it just flips through them no actual interaction
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L574[10:46:31] <Mettaton_Fab> "...but the very next day, you gave it away..."
L575[10:47:29] <Forecaster> to a hazmat team
L576[10:47:44] <Lizzy> to the garbage truck
L577[10:48:07] <Kane_Hart> :P
L578[10:52:17] <Mettaton_Fab> why not make a seasonal rickroll?
L579[10:52:41] <Mettaton_Fab> rickroll someone using Last Christmas by WHAM!
L580[10:53:20] <Forecaster> because nobody cares about rickrolls anymore
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L582[10:54:40] <Kane_Hart> any OC christmas themed programs? :P
L583[10:58:54] <Michiyo> "As part of this collaboration, Sprint, Boost Mobile and Sprint at Radioshack stores will become PokéStops and Gyms"
L584[10:58:56] <Michiyo> q_q
L585[10:59:03] <Michiyo> "Sprint at Radioshack"...
L586[10:59:10] <Michiyo> And here I am... just a RadioShack..
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L588[11:05:03] <Kane_Hart> Good to know net neutrality does not exist lol
L589[11:11:08] <Lizzy> Home time
L590[11:11:11] * Lizzy kisses vifino
L591[11:12:13] <Forecaster> I hid net neutrality in an ancient temple in tibet
L592[11:12:17] <Forecaster> guarded by a yeti
L593[11:13:11] <payonel> gamax92: good morning
L594[11:13:37] <Forecaster> Marbles
L595[11:19:48] <Mettaton_Fab> who knew that a porn artist from London can make music?
L596[11:20:47] <payonel> Inari: want a loaf of bread? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzAQkVhWEAA3wJS.jpg
L597[11:21:26] <Inari> Haha :p
L598[11:21:42] <payonel> inari: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzAQkVxWIAAiJOP.jpg
L599[11:21:51] <Kane_Hart> I need an example of the porn and the music
L600[11:21:58] <Inari> Looks like cut open whitebread or so
L601[11:21:58] <Kane_Hart> unless it's a dude :P
L602[11:21:58] <Inari> :P
L603[11:22:13] <Inari> "porn artist"
L604[11:23:10] <Kane_Hart> This what I call my Rose Art (bends over)
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L606[11:23:55] <Kane_Hart> Wish I could program :P It be fun to have drones at spawn that when people are near it follows them around and then when they get far away they go back to the base
L607[11:24:07] <Kane_Hart> But prob people can break/kock them out though I have WG protection on
L608[11:24:12] <Kane_Hart> so players can't break entities
L609[11:26:09] <Mettaton_Fab> it a dood.
L610[11:26:39] <Mettaton_Fab> he be making bassline music.
L611[11:27:18] <Mettaton_Fab> search Jai-Q on soundcloud or SFJR on DeviantArt
L612[11:27:32] <Mettaton_Fab> or smutbunny on other sites.
L613[11:31:26] <Kane_Hart> did this happen? https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/3zboi9/so_uasiekierka_made_it_possible_to_livestream/
L614[11:31:53] <Kane_Hart> I have computronics installed idk if there is programs for music streaming and things like that.
L615[11:31:55] <Forecaster> yes
L616[11:31:59] <Kane_Hart> Be fun to stream christmas music :P
L617[11:32:22] <Vexatos> need to ask asie
L618[11:32:27] <Vexatos> he's the only one I know who ever did this
L619[11:32:33] <Kane_Hart> yeah I pinged asie on discord :P
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L621[11:33:13] <Kane_Hart> computronics has audio stuff is it base level like Minecraft?
L622[11:33:24] <Kane_Hart> or can it actually do complex sounds?
L623[11:33:43] <Kane_Hart> I rather not have to add OpenFM
L624[11:33:50] <Kane_Hart> mainly because I'm using a pre-made modpack
L625[11:35:46] <Kane_Hart> Michiyo I guess it be a bad idea to not force OpenFM as a client :P?
L626[11:36:11] <Kane_Hart> I always wondered if it was optional if the users without it besides messy block look would be fine.
L627[11:39:05] <Vexatos> well
L628[11:39:32] <Vexatos> Computronics does have an iron note block if you really really want minecraft sounds :P
L629[11:40:19] <Kane_Hart> Ahh yes I saw a video no one shared their script though haha
L630[11:40:28] <Vexatos> But it also has tape drives and sound cards :P
L631[11:40:49] <Vexatos> https://youtu.be/YYHr4b2w6P4
L632[11:40:49] <MichiBot> PicoBTM 16.3 - FTB Modpacks | length: 39m 39s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 31 | by Darkhax | Published On 26/9/2016
L633[11:40:51] <Kane_Hart> It sucks I have no clue how to program this stuff so I'm just searching the internet for scripts lol
L634[11:41:56] <Mettaton_Fab> but what filetypees can the oc computers play with a soundcard?
L635[11:42:18] <Vexatos> It's a sound card
L636[11:42:21] <Vexatos> you do not play files
L637[11:42:25] <Vexatos> you play sounds :P
L638[11:42:29] <Kane_Hart> haha
L639[11:42:32] <Vexatos> but you have to have it generate them first
L640[11:42:43] *** Keridos is now known as Keridos|away
L641[11:43:15] <Kane_Hart> https://youtu.be/_1MBfP0fP9k?t=34
L642[11:43:15] <MichiBot> Minecraft NBS Music player for OpenComputers | length: 2m 54s | Likes: 6 Dislikes: 0 Views: 581 | by Mehozavr | Published On 17/4/2016
L643[11:43:21] <Kane_Hart> this jerk did not share his file :P
L644[11:44:09] <Kane_Hart> though the one note is screwy
L645[11:45:52] <Michiyo> Kane_Hart, I have no idea what your question is.. so I'm going with 42/
L646[11:45:55] <Michiyo> .*
L647[11:47:44] <gudenau> Okay, I have a core mod that I would like to release. What is the best way to convert the MC names for the game envrioment? (Banned from the forge channel)
L648[11:48:04] <Kane_Hart> Michiyo I was wondering if it was possible to use your OpenFM mod on my server without requiring on the client lol
L649[11:48:18] <Michiyo> well.. it adds blocks and items so good luck.
L650[11:48:32] <Kane_Hart> So here is a question why? I mean not for your mod but most.
L651[11:48:52] <Michiyo> why what?
L652[11:48:54] <Kane_Hart> Is it hard to make them show up without the mod not allowing click functions and show up as another texture like stone block or something more noticable.
L653[11:49:10] <Kane_Hart> I never could figure out why mods always are forced required sometimes.
L654[11:49:12] <Kodos> If you don't have the mod on the client, the client doesn't know what the fuck it is, or what it does
L655[11:49:19] <Kodos> So it simply doesn't exist
L656[11:49:32] <Kodos> Here's a simpler example
L657[11:49:35] <Kane_Hart> Of course but could the server side not show the block as a diff material block?
L658[11:49:52] <Kodos> Let's say you're holding a meeting with 8 people
L659[11:49:59] <Kane_Hart> and if the user interacts it you just give them a error message :P
L660[11:50:00] <Kodos> Now say you tell 7 of those 8 about the meeting, but not #8
L661[11:50:07] <Kodos> How do you expect number 8 to know where/when to show up
L662[11:50:15] <Kane_Hart> That is not even close
L663[11:50:25] <Kane_Hart> it be actually tell the 7 of them to show up with clothes
L664[11:50:26] <Michiyo> Sure it *could* but the mod adds the *logic*
L665[11:50:29] <Kane_Hart> and the 8th one shows up naked ;)
L666[11:50:34] <Kane_Hart> and blind ;)
L667[11:50:43] <Kane_Hart> but it's still possible to do it
L668[11:50:49] <Michiyo> No..
L669[11:50:53] <Michiyo> cause it's not a feature of the game.
L670[11:50:58] <Michiyo> go convince lex to do that
L671[11:50:59] <Michiyo> I'll wait
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L673[11:51:32] <Kane_Hart> :p
L674[11:52:11] <gudenau> Lex is a butt,
L675[11:52:13] <gudenau> Lex is a butt.
L676[11:52:38] <Kane_Hart> well if they stopped wasting their time on new versions of MC :P
L677[11:53:06] <Kodos> Kane_Hart, so you're a special kind of stupid, huh
L678[11:53:52] <Kane_Hart> Now what kid?
L679[11:54:14] <Kodos> Kid?
L680[11:54:23] <Kodos> Sorry, how old are you?
L681[11:54:36] <Kane_Hart> Well if you are going around insulting people I assume you are a kid and age has nothing to do with it.
L682[11:54:54] <Kodos> !kick Kane_Hart You know what they say about assuming...
L683[11:54:54] *** Kane_Hart was kicked by zsh ((Kodos) You know what they say about assuming...))
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L685[11:55:05] <gudenau> It fixes a really annoying bug, how do I get the mappings to be for the release?
L686[11:55:16] <Kane_Hart> Don't need to assume abusive of power and calling names. Just keeps adding up./
L687[11:55:40] <Kodos> Okay, you can come back tomorrow and try harder to respect folks. The kick was a warning
L688[11:55:50] <Kodos> !kickban Kane_Hart Disrespecting admins
L689[11:55:50] *** Kane_Hart was kicked by zsh ((Kodos) Disrespecting admins))
L690[11:56:16] <gudenau> Should I go as well?
L691[11:58:46] <Kodos> Sorry? I am being bombarded with inline PMs by him
L692[11:59:23] <Inari> Your loss for havin ginline pms :D
L693[11:59:30] <gudenau> I have insulted people...
L694[11:59:34] <Amerem> you kinda threw the first punch with calling him/her stupid but ima just lurk in my corner again
L695[11:59:47] <gudenau> And asked many random questions.
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L697[12:05:22] <Inari> klava: hakase
L698[12:08:22] <gudenau> I will leave if you want.
L699[12:09:27] <Inari> gudenau: Calm down
L700[12:12:20] <SolraBizna> In unrelated news, btrfs restore is now frozen and unkillable.
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L702[12:16:30] <Mystia_Lorelei> btrfs working as intended
L703[12:17:02] <S3> zfs!
L704[12:17:09] <Mystia_Lorelei> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
L705[12:17:49] <S3> moving into a new place, I'm putting zfs on my servers and then putting another filesystem on top of that
L706[12:17:57] <S3> so that I can have one giant scalable storage array
L707[12:18:04] <Amerem> zfs?
L708[12:18:10] <S3> yes, zfs
L709[12:18:17] <SolraBizna> And I just found out that crosstool-ng compiled Thumb versions of strlen and memchr even though (I think) I told it not to use Thumb.
L710[12:18:22] <S3> ZFS can store up to ~ 2 ^127 ZB of space
L711[12:18:24] <Mettaton_Fab> how the duck do i make my pc use USB sticks for installing OSes?
L712[12:18:29] <S3> 2 ^ 128*
L713[12:18:37] <Amerem> never heard of it
L714[12:18:38] <SolraBizna> Yes, I did.
L715[12:19:36] <S3> I will probably be running Ceph FS on top of ZFS
L716[12:19:42] <S3> so say you have 20 servers
L717[12:19:46] <Amerem> oh never mind I thought it was a mod haha
L718[12:19:47] <S3> each with ZFS and 20 hard drives
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L720[12:20:20] <S3> you then put Ceph FS on top of the ZFS setup and so you get RAID-Z redundancy / failover / striping etc
L721[12:20:25] <S3> and then multi server filesystem
L722[12:20:44] <S3> so you get 20 x 20 hard drives on one system and when you get another hard drive you just add it to a server or add another server and bam
L723[12:20:48] <S3> it just consumes it
L724[12:20:56] <Amerem> oh
L725[12:20:57] <Amerem> cool
L726[12:21:41] <S3> I'm getting these:
L727[12:21:42] <S3> https://www.etb-tech.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1200x800/8914f37fee28e25f390b3ea202924aa1/p/o/poweredge_r720_xd_front_full_dsc3044_1_1.jpg
L728[12:21:44] <S3> for my storage
L729[12:21:46] <S3> R720XD
L730[12:22:01] <S3> those are hard drives, 2.5" to be exact
L731[12:22:16] <Amerem> I figured 2.5
L732[12:22:18] <S3> so I can just keep buying more drives until I need another server to house more drives
L733[12:22:37] <Amerem> do you own your own server? and what do you use it for
L734[12:24:37] <S3> I have a couple
L735[12:24:46] <S3> Virtualization and development testing
L736[12:24:58] <Amerem> ah
L737[12:25:00] <S3> I run Xen on my servers, but this one will be ONLY for storage
L738[12:25:07] <S3> I'm making a Storage Area Network
L739[12:25:20] <S3> and then my desktop will be a thin client that virtualizes with Xen
L740[12:25:27] <Amerem> nice
L741[12:25:28] <S3> in my office
L742[12:25:40] <S3> and every other desktop in the house will also be a thin client to a VM.
L743[12:26:13] <S3> then I'll probably set up an LDAP server so that authentication works globally, and set up a roaming ldap setup for the laptops
L744[12:26:25] <Mettaton_Fab> should i get more blank DVDs?
L745[12:27:24] <S3> why?
L746[12:28:21] <S3> Amerem: I'm buying this for the new house: http://www.netwifiworks.com/EdgeSwitch-16.asp?gclid=CPeS6eza4tACFZGJaQodURUCjw
L747[12:28:59] <Amerem> you sure it will have enough ports
L748[12:31:53] <S3> This will be the core switch
L749[12:32:12] <S3> Basically, I'm installing ethernet into the new house, all cat6
L750[12:32:30] <S3> there are 10 ports that need to be installed, leaving me with 6 others
L751[12:32:47] <S3> from here I can use SFP with fiber to connect an uplink switch in that rack or in my office
L752[12:32:54] <Amerem> why cat6 why not use cat5?
L753[12:32:57] <S3> but the core switch will be in the basement rack
L754[12:33:20] <S3> cat6 is cheap, and cat6 is rated for 1 Gbit at 300 feet. Where cat5e is only rated for 1 Gbit at ~ 50 feet.
L755[12:33:37] <S3> plus I have a 500ft roll of cat6
L756[12:33:48] <Amerem> ah ok
L757[12:34:06] <S3> the cable from that swtch to my office switch will be fiber, I dunno what I'll use uet
L758[12:34:31] <S3> I may be able to use a 10GBASE-LX or something
L759[12:34:48] <S3> which gives me up to 10 Gbit of bandwidth between my office and the rest of the house
L760[12:35:04] <S3> allowing me to have servers in my office too, and each of them transferring at Gbit rates
L761[12:35:11] <S3> very useful for a cluster filesystem
L762[12:35:35] <CompanionCube> SolraBizna: can't say I didn't warn you about repair.
L763[12:35:48] <S3> morning CompanionCube
L764[12:35:57] <SolraBizna> repair isn't what's breaking, restore is
L765[12:36:16] <SolraBizna> repair broke in a harmless way, it wasn't actually writing to disk
L766[12:37:22] <SolraBizna> restore got to the bad block and then had a seizure
L767[12:37:28] <S3> Amerem I have 3 choices, a 1 gbit cat6 between office and downstairs, 2 1 gbit cat6 trunked for a 2gbit link, or a 10 gbit fiber link
L768[12:37:39] <S3> the 10 gbit fiber link will be about $200
L769[12:37:43] <CompanionCube> rip data
L770[12:37:57] <SolraBizna> I'm just going to rsync everything except the bad file off
L771[12:38:09] <SolraBizna> it's replaceable
L772[12:38:20] <Inari> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/977733/files/20141101135304-DSC_6601-1600.jpg?1414875184 #need
L773[12:38:25] <Amerem> if your doing lots of transfers or high bandwidth use tho the fiber would pay for its self in time
L774[12:39:02] <Amerem> cool watch
L775[12:39:35] <S3> right, well it's not like I need one machine to transmit that much bandwidth, but if 3 machines are doing 1 Gbit and there's only a 2 Gbit link, thatl bottleneck
L776[12:39:46] <S3> so might as well put in the 10 gbit linjk
L777[12:40:06] <S3> granted this is also if they are distributed evently amongst machines
L778[12:40:31] <S3> if two servers try to grab data from one server the even distribute (which won't happen) will be about 500 Mbit transfers each
L779[12:40:41] <S3> though it tends to see saw
L780[12:43:47] <payonel> Inari: ! is that a hdd with a viewing window?!!?!?
L781[12:44:12] <Inari> Well
L782[12:44:15] <Inari> kind of, i guess
L783[12:45:03] <SolraBizna> CompanionCube: circumstances have convinced me not to continue using btrfs
L784[12:45:12] <SolraBizna> the only time I've had this troublesome a data recovery experience was with ZFS
L785[12:45:25] <SolraBizna> you now have a chance to convince me to use any other particular filesystem
L786[12:45:51] <CompanionCube> I'm not going to.
L787[12:46:04] <SolraBizna> put another way, I am interested in your opinions on other filesystems
L788[12:46:20] <SolraBizna> the last time I seriously looked into Linux filesystems, reiserfs was new and unstable
L789[12:46:41] <CompanionCube> ZFS has btrfs's awesome features but is a PITA imo - I'm sure Mystia_Lorelei would disagree though.
L790[12:46:59] <Mystia_Lorelei> its not too much of a pita
L791[12:47:02] <SolraBizna> ZFS is wonderful until you have the slightest problem other than a clean disk failure
L792[12:47:44] <SolraBizna> and then there's memory usage... when I complained about memory pressure on a system with 1GiB RAM, I was seriously told not to run ZFS and other software on the same machine :|
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L794[12:48:45] <CompanionCube> I had no particular reason for choosing XFS, I just wanted something less crashy than btrfs
L795[12:49:03] <Inari> payonel: You do know what it is thouihg, right?
L796[12:49:16] <CompanionCube> Besides, the future looks bright for XFS: 'Linux 4.8 added a new large feature, "reverse mapping". The foundation of a set of new features as snapshots, copy-on-write (COW) data, data deduplication, online data and metadata scrubbing, highly accurate bad sector/data loss reporting and significantly improved reconstruction of damaged or corrupted filesystems.[
L797[12:50:24] <SolraBizna> XFS always seemed clunky to me, designed for "those big systems" with giant hard disks
L798[12:50:35] <SolraBizna> but... it's the future now, and my dinky workstation is one of "those big systems"
L799[12:51:03] <Kodos> payonel, looks like a watch
L800[12:52:01] <CompanionCube> did you mean ZFS
L801[12:52:26] <SolraBizna> no, XFS
L802[12:52:33] <SolraBizna> like I said, the last time I looked into this was a *long* time ago
L803[12:52:40] <CompanionCube> I never got that feelig, more so from ZFS
L804[12:53:24] <SolraBizna> ZFS felt like this: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/mirrorsedge/images/3/33/The_Shard.png
L805[12:53:34] <CompanionCube> it's the default RHEL filesystem if that means anything to you
L806[12:53:45] <SolraBizna> XFS felt like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Bagger-garzweiler.jpg
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L808[13:02:18] <SolraBizna> well, the alternatives really are ext4 (boring), JFS (inappropriate?), ReiserFS (dead), HFS+ (no reason to anymore)
L809[13:02:24] <SolraBizna> so XFS it is
L810[13:04:52] <payonel> Inari: sorry no, i didn't inspect the image enough to realize it was a watch
L811[13:04:58] <payonel> it got me giddy thinking about a hdd with a viewing window
L812[13:04:59] <Inari> payonel: haha, okay
L813[13:05:02] <payonel> which...honestly, should be a thing
L814[13:05:10] <Inari> payonel: sounds like a market niche
L815[13:05:16] * CompanionCube wonders if jfs is used ever
L816[13:05:30] <Inari> CompanionCube: japanese fighting squid?
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L818[13:06:31] <SolraBizna> these days, JFS is mostly good for raw flash devices
L819[13:07:06] <SolraBizna> and it's nice on embedded systems because it uses very little CPU power or RAM
L820[13:10:21] <S3> SolraBizna: that's wxactly what XFS is
L821[13:10:25] <S3> super fast and very dangerous
L822[13:10:25] <S3> :D
L823[13:11:44] <SolraBizna> oh man, I forgot XFS supported an external journal
L824[13:12:55] <gudenau> How can I add an entry to the Jar manifest?
L825[13:14:03] <CompanionCube> S3: Isn't btrfs the dangerous one
L826[13:14:29] <payonel> CompanionCube: honestly, i love btrfs and it works wonders for me
L827[13:14:36] <S3> CompanionCube: only because btrfs is still sort of experimental
L828[13:14:40] <S3> in production
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L830[13:14:48] <payonel> i really dont agree it is still experiemental
L831[13:14:51] <S3> XFS has been around sinx irix
L832[13:14:54] <S3> since
L833[13:14:59] <payonel> and zfs is an option
L834[13:15:02] <payonel> but i use btrfs
L835[13:15:02] <CompanionCube> payonel: I thoughtthat too. Then it randomly asploded for the (N)th time and said 'fuck it'
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L837[13:15:12] <payonel> CompanionCube: when kernel version?
L838[13:15:15] <S3> btrfs is pretty nice as well
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L840[13:15:26] <CompanionCube> payonel: 4.4.26, marked as stable by the distro
L841[13:15:43] <S3> I dunno about btrfs
L842[13:15:45] <SolraBizna> my explosion occurred under 4.7.0
L843[13:15:51] <S3> but zfs requires a LOT of ram for deduplication
L844[13:16:01] <gudenau> Backup backup backup eh?
L845[13:16:24] <S3> it is not uncommon for storage servers to be consuming 30 GB of ram for deduplication on the zfs filesystem
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L847[13:16:36] <S3> depending on the size of your storage array
L848[13:16:43] <payonel> well that sucks - 4.4.26 and 4.7 i had not heard anything bad about
L849[13:17:03] <Amerem> most larger servers have RAM in the hundreds of GB anyways
L850[13:17:06] <CompanionCube> I know that 3.18 had a rather bad bug on hard resets
L851[13:17:11] <payonel> CompanionCube: what specifically was the failure?
L852[13:17:14] <SolraBizna> the initial cause of my explosion was (probably) low power quality, not a bug in btrfs
L853[13:17:25] <SolraBizna> but btrfs has handled it incredibly poorly
L854[13:17:29] <payonel> CompanionCube: yes, <4 had various issues
L855[13:19:00] <payonel> SolraBizna: what did it do?
L856[13:19:13] <SolraBizna> it freaked out and forced the filesystem read-only
L857[13:19:23] <SolraBizna> btrfs check --repair infinite looped repeatedly repairing the same ~100 problems
L858[13:19:27] <SolraBizna> btrfs restore froze and became unkillable
L859[13:19:55] <CompanionCube> payonel: Apparently random kernel panic. Message unknown as it was running Xorg. The system came up after a reboot, but the 2nd time had I/O errors reading such important files as libncurses.so
L860[13:19:56] <xandaros> Can microcontrollers interface with adapters?
L861[13:20:08] <Forecaster> no
L862[13:20:11] <xandaros> aww
L863[13:20:11] <CompanionCube> The filesystem would mount fine, but you'd have issues with cvertain files.
L864[13:20:12] <SolraBizna> Microcontrollers can't interface with any external components
L865[13:20:50] <payonel> CompanionCube: do you still have this fs?
L866[13:21:09] <payonel> i'd ask on freenode #btrfs
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L868[13:21:20] <CompanionCube> payonel: not anymore. After I 'btrfs restore'd the data from it I mkfs.xfs'd over it
L869[13:21:21] <SolraBizna> Thinking about it, it would be interesting and useful to have a microcontroller equivalent that also acts as an adapter
L870[13:21:39] <payonel> that's where i go for troubleshooting knowledge (since i've been using btrfs since the 3.x days)
L871[13:22:02] <CompanionCube> Interestingly, 'btrfs restore' only had problems restoring 2 file
L872[13:22:15] <CompanionCube> *1 file
L873[13:22:33] <CompanionCube> Even the previously unreadable ncurses libraries were successfully restored
L874[13:22:52] <SolraBizna> btrfs restore will apparently try to restore an older version of a file if it can't restore the newest one
L875[13:24:15] <payonel> i take daily snapshots (on mounted drives) of a system with ~300 or maybe ~400k files, ~7TB of data, with ~10 users using file sharing services that causes constant db updates
L876[13:24:51] <payonel> i had one failure, corrupted file that i could not restore, but had to pull from my snapshot history, over the last 2 years i think, but i was on 3.x when that happened
L877[13:25:24] <payonel> the devs in #btrfs strongly suggested i move to 4.x land, and i've kept my kernel updated ever since when i see btrfs in the changelogs
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L879[13:26:43] <gudenau> I figured my stuff out. ^^
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L882[13:27:37] <Mettaton_Fab> Wham!
L883[13:30:23] <payonel> Inari: http://i.imgur.com/LNphNlC.gif
L884[13:30:47] <Inari> payonel: Haha, the cushion has betrayed catkind
L885[13:33:09] <payonel> :D
L886[13:33:57] <Forecaster> or, it was a time-travelling cushion that's saved catkind from a future terrible despot
L887[13:34:14] <neX!Tem> moving the computers to the desert did not help caster
L888[13:34:32] <Forecaster> you actually tried that? xD
L889[13:34:36] <neX!Tem> no
L890[13:34:41] <neX!Tem> I wanted to see your reaction
L891[13:34:49] <Forecaster> okay good :P
L892[13:35:01] <neX!Tem> im in the middle of the ocean anyways, in theory, They are water cooled
L893[13:35:05] <Forecaster> that would have been a huge waste of time
L894[13:35:25] <neX!Tem> time wasting is something I am great it
L895[13:35:27] <neX!Tem> ^^
L896[13:36:24] <Mettaton_Fab> maybe they do not work properly because of the high content of LoL community in the water?
L897[13:36:57] <neX!Tem> if they all look like squids than we are onto something here
L898[13:37:18] <SolraBizna> that's an interesting creation myth
L899[13:37:49] <SolraBizna> "and the minions' bodies did pile up, and form the land; and the tears and lamentations of players complaining about unbalanced characters and terrible teammates did form the sea"
L900[13:38:01] <Mettaton_Fab> maybe the water is just normal salty?
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L904[13:44:17] <Michiyo> @neX!Tem were you the one with the issue of computers losing data when the chunk unloads?
L905[13:44:35] <Michiyo> and the @ didn't work on your name... wonder why
L906[13:44:50] <neX!Tem> yes
L907[13:44:55] <neX!Tem> im in discord
L908[13:45:08] <neX!Tem> I don't play on your server or IRC or what ever
L909[13:45:16] <Michiyo> I'm well aware.. I wrote the bot that bridges IRC and DIscord.
L910[13:45:24] <Michiyo> I MADE the feature that does this @Mimiru
L911[13:45:33] <Michiyo> See how that highlighted me..?
L912[13:45:37] <neX!Tem> hmm maybe the "!" is a problem?
L913[13:45:40] <neX!Tem> yes
L914[13:45:54] <nexitem> try again with this username
L915[13:46:03] <nexitem> changed it to nexitem instead
L916[13:46:03] <Michiyo> K.. anyway. Did you ever verify the files are being written to the filesystem @nexitem
L917[13:46:23] <Michiyo> Oh, you changed your nickname, not your actual name
L918[13:46:33] <nexitem> yea nickname sry.
L919[13:46:35] <Michiyo> Yeah, corded can't highlight on nick names
L920[13:46:50] <Michiyo> JDA (the lib Corded uses) doesn't support nicks in the version I'm on
L921[13:47:03] <neX!Tem> oh, well my real username still is neX!Tem
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L923[13:47:08] <neX!Tem> so if that does not work its something else I guess, anyways.
L924[13:47:18] <neX!Tem> with filesystem you mean IN game ?
L925[13:47:24] <Michiyo> Yeah, anyway, did you verify the files are written to the actual, real FS on the server/client
L926[13:47:45] <neX!Tem> ok hmm no
L927[13:47:48] <Michiyo> also, do you have bufferChanges enabled or disabled?
L928[13:47:56] <neX!Tem> where should I look for that?
L929[13:48:02] <SolraBizna> OpenComputers.cfg
L930[13:48:09] <Michiyo> files are saved in /saves/worldname/opencomputers/driveid/files
L931[13:48:20] <Michiyo> welll not "files"
L932[13:48:27] <neX!Tem> could be a linux permission problem let me see.....
L933[13:48:29] <Michiyo> just.... the files are *there* :p
L934[13:48:56] <Michiyo> on a server it'd be worldname/opencomputes/driveid/
L935[13:49:47] <Michiyo> and yes, bufferChanges would be in the OpenComputers config, if it's enabled OC won't write changes immediately, if disabled it will, and it'll also READ those changes if you change something
L936[13:50:00] <neX!Tem> yes
L937[13:50:06] <Michiyo> makes external editing easier, otherwise you have to yank the drive or pause the game to reload files
L938[13:50:09] <neX!Tem> got 4 folders in there
L939[13:50:13] <neX!Tem> one called state
L940[13:50:30] <neX!Tem> rest of em seem to be in order, permissions are correct afaik
L941[13:51:01] <Michiyo> shit I can't log into my account on Lizzy's server
L942[13:51:04] <Michiyo> I don't have my key handy
L943[13:51:15] <Michiyo> wait no
L944[13:51:17] <Michiyo> there it is
L945[13:52:14] <Michiyo> Ok... the "other" folders are the actual directories of the drives you have should be uuid formatted, right?
L946[13:52:25] <Michiyo> like "d8fffce1-93b8-4855-be30-d825c84f9be7"
L947[13:53:13] <Michiyo> find the one that matches the id on the drive in a computer you're testing with, and make sure the contents in the directory match what are on that computer
L948[13:54:14] <neX!Tem> yes
L949[13:54:20] <neX!Tem> ok
L950[13:55:02] <neX!Tem> intresting
L951[13:55:14] <neX!Tem> my computer has the id e6bcbce4-07f3-4b5e-a7a6-5bfd3a64feb5
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L953[13:55:28] <neX!Tem> but there is none in that folder
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L955[13:55:38] <Michiyo> that's the ID of the Hard drive in that computer?
L956[13:56:09] <neX!Tem> oh the harddisk, sorry missed that detail in your message. im very tired <.<
L957[13:56:31] <neX!Tem> in that case its there,
L958[13:56:43] <Michiyo> and the contents are what you'd expect?
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L960[13:57:45] <Michiyo> If so, note the UUID of the hard drive, leave the area to let it unload, and come back if the UUID of the drive has change.. then the NBT of the computer is getting trashed
L961[13:57:52] <Michiyo> then we get to dig deeper.
L962[13:58:21] <neX!Tem> something else just came up
L963[13:58:34] <neX!Tem> i wanted to edit make a new file... when saving it said not enough space
L964[13:58:50] <Michiyo> In OC, or On the host os?
L965[13:58:57] <neX!Tem> ingame
L966[13:59:15] <Michiyo> And what OC build are you on?
L967[13:59:18] <Michiyo> and MC ver
L968[14:00:16] <neX!Tem> 1.10.2 , OpenComputers-MC1.10.2-1.6.0.4
L969[14:00:59] <Michiyo> Hmm :/ I'm PRETTY sure we'd have heard more about this if it was a wide spread issue
L970[14:01:19] <Michiyo> Standard forge?
L971[14:01:56] <neX!Tem> FTBserver-1.10.2-12.18.2.2171-universal
L972[14:02:00] <neX!Tem> from the direwolf20 pack
L973[14:02:14] <neX!Tem> mind you I played the past 2 days with OC
L974[14:02:20] <neX!Tem> and editing and doing stuff was fine 8 hours ago lol
L975[14:07:07] <gamax92> good afternoon payonel
L976[14:10:51] *** Vu is now known as Liz
L977[14:11:07] <SolraBizna> oh, I mixed JFS and JFFS up
L978[14:11:13] *** Liz is now known as Vic
L979[14:16:19] <neX!Tem> I guess I will post my issue to github
L980[14:17:42] <Michiyo> back, sorry, had a customer
L981[14:18:36] <Michiyo> I have no idea what the issue could be it almost sounds like an NBT issue but idk
L982[14:20:08] <neX!Tem> ok I fixed the write problem
L983[14:20:19] <neX!Tem> it was actually full in OC
L984[14:20:53] <neX!Tem> sometime today I copied something and I guess I copies the whole system and ran out of space or something, I had to copies of the whole harddisk in /mnt for some reason
L985[14:23:58] <neX!Tem> wow ok this is scary
L986[14:24:19] <neX!Tem> I just deleted everything on the harddisk at least I think I did
L987[14:24:54] <neX!Tem> rebooted, reinstalled openOS and some of the files I edited before slowly appeard again
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L989[14:26:40] <Michiyo> o_O
L990[14:26:51] <gamax92> your shits haunted
L991[14:27:08] <Michiyo> neX!Tem is this a server?
L992[14:27:14] <neX!Tem> yes this is my server
L993[14:27:15] <neX!Tem> ubuntu
L994[14:27:45] <neX!Tem> I want to test this again, Best way to delete a harddisk?
L995[14:28:01] <neX!Tem> craftingtable I guess?
L996[14:28:02] <Michiyo> stop the server, rename the opencomputers directory to opencomputers.old or something and start it again (you'll loose all files but we renamed the container :P) and see if the iussue persists
L997[14:28:22] <SolraBizna> easy way to erase a hard disk is to toggle "managed mode" off and on
L998[14:28:35] <SolraBizna> but you should probably do as Michiyo suggests, because ghosts
L999[14:28:54] <neX!Tem> Should I spray salt onto the computers too?
L1000[14:28:56] <neX!Tem> just to make sure?
L1001[14:28:58] <Michiyo> Yes.. :P
L1002[14:29:06] <neX!Tem> ?
L1003[14:29:56] <neX!Tem> i will do that in am oment
L1004[14:30:13] <neX!Tem> have to wait for my friends to complete what they are doing :3
L1005[14:30:21] <Michiyo> kick them in the shins tell them now
L1006[14:30:30] <Michiyo> The all mighty Michiyo demands it
L1007[14:30:40] <neX!Tem> I don't think they give a shit
L1008[14:30:40] <payonel> nex - what mod pack are you using?
L1009[14:30:40] <neX!Tem> ^^
L1010[14:30:45] <neX!Tem> direwolf20
L1011[14:31:00] <payonel> %roll 1d20
L1012[14:31:03] <payonel> .roll 1d20
L1013[14:31:07] <payonel> %flip 1d20
L1014[14:31:07] <MichiBot> payonel: (╯°□°）╯0ⵒp⇂
L1015[14:31:25] <Forecaster> !roll 1d20
L1016[14:31:25] <Forecaster> Forecaster rolls the 1d20 and gets: 1 [1]
L1017[14:31:30] <payonel> nice
L1018[14:31:33] <payonel> haha
L1019[14:31:41] <Michiyo> wtf MichiBot had a roll.. I thought
L1020[14:31:44] <payonel> gamax92: o/
L1021[14:31:54] <Forecaster> oh wow, natural 1
L1022[14:31:55] <neX!Tem> O_o
L1023[14:32:08] * Forecaster fumbles and shoots himself in the foot
L1024[14:32:12] <Michiyo> lolol
L1025[14:32:33] <Michiyo> at least you're not married to an orc now
L1026[14:32:56] <Forecaster> that is a script in my client by the way
L1027[14:33:02] <Forecaster> I believe anyone can trigger it?
L1028[14:33:07] <neX!Tem> I can't I guess
L1029[14:33:08] <Michiyo> !roll 1d20
L1030[14:33:12] <neX!Tem> %roll 1d20
L1031[14:33:12] <Michiyo> !roll 1d20
L1032[14:33:12] <Forecaster> Michiyo rolls the 1d20 and gets: 8 [8]
L1033[14:33:17] <Michiyo> -zsh- GAMESERV is not enabled on #OC.
L1034[14:33:21] <neX!Tem> what did I roll ?
L1035[14:33:22] <Michiyo> *coughs*
L1036[14:33:26] <Michiyo> Nothing nex :P
L1037[14:33:34] <Michiyo> cause it wouldn't support the bridge
L1038[14:33:36] <Forecaster> I got that notice as well
L1039[14:33:38] <neX!Tem> discord is stupid you ar stupid
L1040[14:33:42] <neX!Tem> discord is stupid you are stupid
L1041[14:33:43] <neX!Tem> xD
L1042[14:33:53] <neX!Tem> everything is stupid
L1043[14:33:57] <neX!Tem> ghosts too
L1044[14:34:14] <Forecaster> you used the wrong prefix anyway :P
L1045[14:34:27] <neX!Tem> oh
L1046[14:34:39] <Forecaster> it's ! not %
L1047[14:34:43] <neX!Tem> well I embaresd myself twice
L1048[14:34:44] <Forecaster> for my plugin
L1049[14:34:53] <Michiyo> No... no roll in michibot wtf
L1050[14:34:54] <payonel> Michiyo: corded should /nick for every message :)
L1051[14:34:57] <Michiyo> I'll go steal it from Uri
L1052[14:35:03] <Michiyo> hahaaahahahahahaa
L1053[14:35:04] <Michiyo> haha
L1054[14:35:06] <Michiyo> haaaaahahahaha
L1055[14:35:06] <Michiyo> ha
L1056[14:35:07] <Michiyo> ha
L1057[14:35:10] <Michiyo> No.
L1058[14:35:10] <payonel> corded_nex!Tem
L1059[14:35:10] <Michiyo> :P
L1060[14:35:23] <payonel> hehe
L1061[14:35:26] <Michiyo> s/Uri/Yuri/
L1062[14:35:26] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> I'll go steal it from Yuri
L1063[14:36:09] <payonel> or, spawn a new bot for every member in discord (can lazy load on first message, and unload and leave)
L1064[14:36:11] <neX!Tem> so renamed folder to .OLD
L1065[14:36:14] <Michiyo> man, esper would murder me...
L1066[14:36:16] <neX!Tem> and restarting server
L1067[14:36:35] <Michiyo> like straight up, drive to my house, and kill me.
L1068[14:36:36] <Michiyo> :P
L1069[14:37:04] <Forecaster> give them your boss's address
L1070[14:37:07] <Michiyo> lol
L1071[14:37:19] <Michiyo> well... they'd show up at OVH's door first
L1072[14:39:03] * CompanionCube wondeers if they'd have any problems if you kept to the connection limit
L1073[14:39:03] <neX!Tem> ehm
L1074[14:39:05] <neX!Tem> it happend again
L1075[14:39:13] <neX!Tem> it made the same files I had again
L1076[14:39:18] <neX!Tem> wtf is going on?
L1077[14:39:28] <Mettaton_Fab> !roll 1d20
L1078[14:39:28] <Forecaster> Mettaton_Fab rolls the 1d20 and gets: 8 [8]
L1079[14:39:38] <Michiyo> neX!Tem, you're going to need a young priest, and an old priest...
L1080[14:39:44] <neX!Tem> ?
L1081[14:40:48] <gamax92> payonel: https://i.imgur.com/L9YI9eZ.png
L1082[14:40:57] <Michiyo> CompanionCube, all I know is the bot policy says to not open a connection for each user on the other side of the bridge
L1083[14:41:08] <Mettaton_Fab> so we pretty much can trigger Forecasters script?
L1084[14:41:21] <Michiyo> Mettaton_Fab, pretty much..?
L1085[14:41:27] * Michiyo face desks
L1086[14:41:36] <Mettaton_Fab> awesome!
L1087[14:41:49] <Michiyo> I should take up alcohol...
L1088[14:41:51] <gamax92> This is so far the only compile to Java tool I've gotten to work
L1089[14:41:54] <Mettaton_Fab> how do you even lift up the desk for that?
L1090[14:41:59] <neX!Tem> are harddisks saved in the chunk?!
L1091[14:42:10] <Michiyo> No, files are saved to the file system.
L1092[14:42:20] <payonel> gamax92: you compiled a lua source file to a java .class object file?
L1093[14:42:28] <gamax92> no I compiled lua to a java .class
L1094[14:42:31] <neX!Tem> wtf
L1095[14:42:39] <neX!Tem> i dont understand this
L1096[14:42:48] <neX!Tem> its as if nothing happend
L1097[14:42:55] <neX!Tem> it just remade all the files I jus tbasically deleted?!
L1098[14:43:22] <Michiyo> I don't think this is an OC issue at this point...
L1099[14:43:27] <Michiyo> something is fucky for sure though
L1100[14:43:44] <payonel> what was compiled then?
L1101[14:43:49] <gamax92> payonel: 'lua'
L1102[14:43:54] <payonel> lua what? ...
L1103[14:44:12] <gamax92> payonel: https://www.lua.org/ftp/lua-5.2.4.tar.gz
L1104[14:44:12] <payonel> 'lua' makes me think of /bin/lua, a binary compiled from c
L1105[14:44:16] <gamax92> yes
L1106[14:44:18] <gamax92> exactly that
L1107[14:44:27] <payonel> you converted the lua binary to a java .class ?
L1108[14:44:54] <payonel> or did you convert the c code to java source first?
L1109[14:44:59] <gamax92> latter
L1110[14:45:10] <gamax92> well .... neither
L1111[14:45:14] <CompanionCube> so basically it's a lua interpreter.class bundled with lua source
L1112[14:45:40] <gamax92> lljvm uses lljvm to spit out objects and then translate the llvm ir to jvm code
L1113[14:45:46] <gamax92> ... uses llvm*
L1114[14:46:29] <payonel> is the goal to run(interpret) lua source from java directly?
L1115[14:46:48] <gamax92> I just wanted to see if lljvm worked or not
L1116[14:47:22] <payonel> that's pretty cool
L1117[14:49:08] <payonel> i wrote a converter for mpfr libraries to export .net assemblies
L1118[14:49:47] <payonel> i mean...i wrote something that would read the mpfr libraries and create suitable .net libraries
L1119[14:50:01] <payonel> similar to what it sounds like lljvm does
L1120[14:50:22] <payonel> though my solution was built to more specifically work with mpfr
L1121[14:50:34] <gamax92> it's pretty useless though for java interop and it also spits out a 753KiB + lljvm runtime of 251KiB for 1003KiB in total, and the actual code in the .class looks pretty bad
L1122[14:50:46] <gamax92> OC's LuaJ jar is 446KiB right now
L1123[14:51:55] <payonel> but .. wouldn't your lua.class have feature parity? if the conversion worked, i should expect the same features and same results
L1124[14:52:11] <payonel> an advantage would be that we wouldn't have luaj-specific issues
L1125[14:52:23] <gamax92> it also requires something like llvm 2.7
L1126[14:55:16] <neX!Tem> @Michiyo ok ehm I just delted a file, and executed save-all on the server, File was gone after that
L1127[14:55:32] <Michiyo> waaaaait
L1128[14:55:38] <neX!Tem> and writing a file same thing happens, I mean that makes sense cause the world is not saved every time
L1129[14:55:43] <neX!Tem> and writing a file same thing happens, I mean that makes sense cause the world is not saved every time i guess?
L1130[14:55:44] <Michiyo> Do you have saving disabled by chance?
L1131[14:55:57] <neX!Tem> I don't think so
L1132[14:56:04] <payonel> are you using weird mount points for where the server is hosted on disk?
L1133[14:56:06] <Michiyo> Someone was having an issue with that a while back
L1134[14:56:09] <payonel> like a network mount?
L1135[14:56:29] <neX!Tem> well
L1136[14:56:36] <neX!Tem> i mean
L1137[14:56:41] <Michiyo> heeeere we go :p
L1138[14:56:43] <neX!Tem> what is wierd
L1139[14:56:48] <payonel> Michiyo: exactly
L1140[14:56:52] <neX!Tem> I have 3tb+3tb raid
L1141[14:56:59] <payonel> raid what?
L1142[14:57:04] <payonel> raid0, 1, 2, 3, 4 ....
L1143[14:57:08] <payonel> "raid" tells me nothing
L1144[14:57:23] <neX!Tem> its not really a raid actually, wait a second
L1145[14:57:28] <payonel> haha
L1146[14:58:03] <Michiyo> jbod? :P
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L1148[14:59:31] <neX!Tem> im running a Logical Volume Manager
L1149[15:00:30] <neX!Tem> I an dynamically add space to my partition , right now I have one big 5TB partition, and thats where /home and all minecraft releated stuff aswell as many other things are right now
L1150[15:01:13] <neX!Tem> im splitting files accross 2 harddisks basically, but never had any problems with that... I dont think this is related
L1151[15:02:34] <Michiyo> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2092
L1152[15:02:40] <Izaya> two 3TB HDDs?
L1153[15:02:41] <Michiyo> This is the issue I was talking about
L1154[15:03:20] <neX!Tem> oh hmm
L1155[15:03:25] <payonel> Michiyo: that .... is different. it was an evil block that would make components disappear
L1156[15:03:33] <payonel> unless i misunderstand nex's issue
L1157[15:03:48] <neX!Tem> the backup system is from FTBlib and FTButilitis
L1158[15:03:50] <payonel> s/block/chunk/
L1159[15:03:50] <MichiBot> <payonel> Michiyo: that .... is different. it was an evil chunk that would make components disappear
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L1161[15:08:24] <neX!Tem> i checked, save-on is "on"
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L1163[15:10:26] <neX!Tem> for some reason it seems to work fine now
L1164[15:10:42] <neX!Tem> wrting, and reading happens 2-3 seconds later so thats good
L1165[15:10:55] <neX!Tem> still does not explain why everything just appeard again
L1166[15:12:06] <SolraBizna> ... neX!Tem didn't get rid of the ghosts, he just sent them to me
L1167[15:12:40] <SolraBizna> trying to debug why malloc is failing and throwing bus errors
L1168[15:12:47] <SolraBizna> add printfs to debug, the printfs don't print even though the code runs
L1169[15:12:55] <SolraBizna> change printf to fprintf(stderr, ...), code runs fine
L1170[15:12:59] <SolraBizna> remove fprintfs, code runs fine
L1171[15:15:11] <S3> huh
L1172[15:15:15] <S3> abortions are now ilegal in ohio
L1173[15:15:25] <SolraBizna> weren't they before?
L1174[15:15:32] <S3> Nope.
L1175[15:15:58] <S3> meh. the problem is, there are many cases they didn't think about related to medical
L1176[15:16:03] <S3> that require an abortion
L1177[15:16:21] <S3> I would hope that those cases would be allowed, as some of them endanger even the mother
L1178[15:17:04] <neX!Tem> wtf
L1179[15:17:20] <neX!Tem> from ghosts, to broken code to abortions? WTF
L1180[15:17:26] <S3> lol
L1181[15:17:58] <S3> Did anyone check out that cool santa village google maps app Google put out?
L1182[15:21:09] * Inari throws neX down the tentacle pit
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L1187[15:23:34] <Sparky> Hello everyone, I have encountered a bug with OC, when I leave a chunk and come back, the computer forgets that it has an OS installed and asks for bootable media. And also there is a problem with components- when I come back to my Extreme Reactors setup, somehow the computer is detecting hundreds of components and that definitely is not the case.
L1188[15:23:51] <payonel> ding!
L1189[15:24:00] <payonel> this bug is nasty
L1190[15:24:15] <payonel> Sparky: how big is your world/ ? what modpack or oc version are you using?
L1191[15:24:24] <Inari> ikr, I've been debugging this stupid skyrim bug for 2 days
L1192[15:24:28] <payonel> Sparky: i believe this is your bug: constexpr
L1193[15:24:39] <payonel> woops, wrong clipboard
L1194[15:24:42] <SolraBizna> lol
L1195[15:24:43] <payonel> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2092
L1196[15:24:57] <Sparky> @payonel I am using the DW20 1.10.2 pack 1.1.3 I believe
L1197[15:24:59] <Inari> payonel: at least you didnt paste loli hentai
L1198[15:25:08] <payonel> Inari: ^.^
L1199[15:25:48] <Sparky> payonel: I am having the exact same issue magik6k is describing
L1200[15:26:21] <payonel> Sparky: is it just one chunk? would you be interested in zipping up your server files so i can test?
L1201[15:26:46] <Sparky> payonel: Let me figure out which it is.
L1202[15:27:13] <neX!Tem> ok
L1203[15:27:27] <neX!Tem> seems like Im not the only one?
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L1205[15:27:46] <payonel> nex - that's a different issue -- so far as i understand your problem
L1206[15:27:59] <payonel> nex - you're talking about files reappearing
L1207[15:28:11] <neX!Tem> yea no i did not mean that
L1208[15:28:18] <neX!Tem> I also had the chunk unloading load problem
L1209[15:28:23] <neX!Tem> happend right now again
L1210[15:28:23] <payonel> the issue i pasted for Sparky is that the components dissappear, and other devices see gobs of repeated components
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L1212[15:28:32] <neX!Tem> I went to my friends base, came back, PC's frozen and need to start them again
L1213[15:28:39] <payonel> nex - different
L1214[15:28:44] <payonel> does it have components inside?
L1215[15:29:03] <neX!Tem> ofc
L1216[15:29:26] <payonel> then it's a different bug
L1217[15:29:46] <neX!Tem> mhh ok
L1218[15:30:19] <Sparky> payonel: Is this all you need? https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwvwnPimkqkvd2NLQ3k0d1M2RTg
L1219[15:31:23] <payonel> Sparky: it would make repro a lot easier if i had all of world/ - and you say you're using d20 pack (latest/current ?)
L1220[15:31:33] <payonel> any custom config/ seettings? or custom mods/?
L1221[15:31:33] <Sparky> Yes
L1222[15:31:39] <Sparky> And nothing custom
L1223[15:31:50] <Sparky> I believe the latest it was done yesterday
L1224[15:31:58] <Sparky> I believe the version was 1.1.3
L1225[15:31:58] <payonel> i won't be able to look at it today, but -- i'd like to have a repro of this i can look at later
L1226[15:32:15] <payonel> if you wanted to just zip everything for me, that'd be great too
L1227[15:32:55] <Sparky> I'm compressing the world folder now
L1228[15:33:05] <payonel> ok
L1229[15:33:26] <payonel> Sparky: thanks. and if you DO have the same bug, it appears to be chunk specific. as a work around for now, try moving your oc machines outside the chunk
L1230[15:33:37] <Sparky> @payonel The only way I can fix this problem is by deleting all data from the open computers folder for components and re-doing everything
L1231[15:33:41] <payonel> then let me know if that works or not
L1232[15:33:56] <Sparky> Or have a chunk loader on the chunk with the computer
L1233[15:34:17] <payonel> Sparky: when i was able to repro this (i didn't own the server, so i couldn't get the files) -- it was only a given chunk
L1234[15:34:27] <payonel> when i moved my machines outside the chunk, it didn't happen again
L1235[15:34:35] <payonel> yes, i had to recover the lost components and such
L1236[15:34:43] <payonel> but once outside the evil chunk, i didn't lose components again
L1237[15:36:05] <Sparky> I'm not losing components, just stored configs I guess
L1238[15:36:15] <Sparky> And the weird thing with hundreds of components showing
L1239[15:36:24] <payonel> define "stored configs"
L1240[15:36:57] <Sparky> The computer knowing that an installation of OS is installed on the installed HDD
L1241[15:37:20] <Sparky> So it asks me for bootable media even though I had already installed the OS to HDD
L1242[15:37:41] <Sparky> And no installed scripts would show up
L1243[15:38:11] <payonel> so it is clearing/wiping the drive, but the drive component is still in the machine?
L1244[15:38:34] <payonel> 'drive component' as in the hdd
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L1246[15:38:54] <Inari> Needs more unit tests
L1247[15:39:49] <SolraBizna> also, does the UUID of the disk change?
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L1250[15:40:26] <Sparky> SolraBizna: I will have to pay attention to the UUID, but I can still see the components in the OC folder of the world folder
L1251[15:40:37] <Sparky> I'm not sure if they change or not
L1252[15:40:54] <SolraBizna> Damn ghosts changing everybody's UUIDs
L1253[15:40:56] <Sparky> BUT deleting all components temporarily fixed the problem until I left the chunk again
L1254[15:41:15] <Sparky> Deleting the component's files rather
L1255[15:41:24] <neX!Tem> T.T everytime I leave my base and come back my computers are all frozen up
L1256[15:41:29] <neX!Tem> no errors in console
L1257[15:41:30] <neX!Tem> ?
L1258[15:41:48] <Sparky> @Corded Same problem here- I'm about to install a chunk loader
L1259[15:41:55] <Inari> Corded is a bot :P
L1260[15:42:22] <Sparky> Well I can't tab complete
L1261[15:42:27] <Inari> So lazy
L1262[15:42:55] <neX!Tem> I wont chunkload this just cause... I want it to always work mhh
L1263[15:43:26] <SolraBizna> I cursed the ghosts and the code that was working again a few minutes ago has stopped working
L1264[15:43:32] <Sparky> I want it to always work too, but this seems like a valid work-around
L1265[15:43:50] <Inari> Bugs are like that are the worst anyway
L1266[15:44:09] <Inari> Or energy pipes that randomly stop transmitting until you replace them again... and again.. and again, and sooner or later you're just kind of sick of stuff breaking all th eitme
L1267[15:44:22] <SolraBizna> and then you play Factorio
L1268[15:44:28] <Inari> Pretty much
L1269[15:44:50] <Sparky> payonel: 621MB: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwvwnPimkqkvWk1ON2xTeGVKU3c/view?usp=sharing
L1270[15:44:50] <SolraBizna> and you do that for six months, the whole time thinking "Minecraft sucks, how did I ever stand to play that game"
L1271[15:44:54] <SolraBizna> and then one of your friends plays Minecraft
L1272[15:45:00] <SolraBizna> and then you find yourself playing it and thinking "this isn't so bad"
L1273[15:45:24] <Inari> Nah, I never really think that
L1274[15:45:29] <Inari> But I've always wanted something to replace MC
L1275[15:45:39] <SolraBizna> minetest?
L1276[15:46:17] <Inari> Lol
L1277[15:46:18] <Inari> Thats terrible
L1278[15:47:56] <gamax92> back
L1279[15:48:04] <S3> uh oh
L1280[15:49:17] <Inari> SolraBizna: Once they manage to make a decent UI and a gameplay that doesn't feel pre-alpha :D Also I heard the engine isn't all that great from people who took a closer look
L1281[15:49:48] <SolraBizna> Given how old the project is, I don't think it's going to get much better than it is
L1282[15:50:00] <Inari> Well it isn't good enough to replace MC
L1283[15:51:07] <SolraBizna> I've never tried it myself
L1284[15:52:58] <SolraBizna> jeez, I have 122 datasheets in my downloads folder
L1285[15:54:47] <payonel> Sparky: i was afk, let me catch up
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L1287[15:55:27] <payonel> Sparky: "I will have to pay attention to the UUID, but I can still see the components in the OC folder of the world folder" yes, we don't delete the folders even if the components are destroyed/lost/removed from the world.
L1288[15:55:45] <payonel> so it would be good to check the uuids of the disks, and/or to confirm the disks/other components are still there
L1289[15:56:30] <payonel> "Deleting the component's files rather" fixes it? what is "fixed" how? the files return back into the drives? (i.e. your OS install magically reappears?)
L1290[15:56:59] <payonel> Sparky: "Well I can't tab complete" i just ignore corded users .. well ... i try to
L1291[15:57:33] <Forecaster> that's unecessarily mean
L1292[15:57:53] <payonel> sorry :(
L1293[15:58:02] <payonel> i just dislike conversing via Corded
L1294[15:58:16] <payonel> and, i have to read too much to track conversations with Corded
L1295[15:58:16] <Forecaster> why
L1296[15:58:28] <payonel> tab complete and conversation tracking
L1297[15:58:29] <Inari> get a good irc client and add a script :D
L1298[15:58:40] <Forecaster> "read too much"... it's exactly the same amount of text
L1299[15:58:47] <Forecaster> just the name is in a different place
L1300[15:58:50] <Forecaster> big woop
L1301[15:58:58] <Forecaster> I don't see why it's such a big deal...
L1302[15:59:04] <payonel> Forecaster: i dont read everything everyone says. i parse for comment from a current conversation
L1303[15:59:35] <payonel> Sparky: download complete, will test later. do you world coords for me to check?
L1304[16:00:39] <Forecaster> I still don't see the difference
L1305[16:01:16] <payonel> are you saying the difference is negligable/too small to matter, or are you saying there is literally no difference to you?
L1306[16:01:21] <Sparky> payonel: -441, 64, 2380
L1307[16:01:33] <payonel> Sparky: awesome, thanks, i'll test it ... eventually
L1308[16:01:46] <payonel> in the meantime, can you try to repro in different chunks? maybe that is a work around for you
L1309[16:01:49] <Forecaster> the former
L1310[16:02:28] <payonel> Forecaster: i try to multitask, am at work - so if i can just scan for a color having made another comment, it is faster for me [e.g. Forecaster is green]
L1311[16:02:41] <payonel> maybe i'm not very efficient at multitasking otherwise
L1312[16:03:30] <payonel> though, this doesn't always work well for me. i realize now i missed gamax92 saying "back" :) because 'gamax92' is the same color as SolraBizna
L1313[16:03:34] <payonel> needs moar colors!
L1314[16:03:46] <Forecaster> maybe you shouldn't multitask :>
L1315[16:03:54] <payonel> probably true
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L1317[16:06:06] <SolraBizna> ...what color am I?
L1318[16:06:17] <SolraBizna> bear in mind that I am going to judge you on your response
L1319[16:06:21] <Forecaster> yellow for me :P
L1320[16:06:25] <SolraBizna> T_T
L1321[16:06:35] <Forecaster> Its based on a hash of your name though
L1322[16:06:38] <Forecaster> I didn't pick it
L1323[16:06:42] <gamax92> blue
L1324[16:06:48] <SolraBizna> I'll take blue
L1325[16:07:04] <gamax92> my color system is not based on a hash though
L1326[16:07:10] <payonel> SolraBizna: #BA6A00
L1327[16:07:13] <gamax92> it's, if myself then red, else blue
L1328[16:07:33] <gamax92> green if highlight
L1329[16:07:44] <Forecaster> mine can only use terminal colors, so I don't have that many
L1330[16:08:02] <SolraBizna> #BA6A00 is close enough to Serco red, I guess
L1331[16:08:30] <Lizzy> https://i.imgur.com/t8CRXRh.jpg
L1332[16:09:06] <Forecaster> my parents died in a terrible hula hoop accident D:
L1333[16:09:22] <Lizzy> your loss
L1334[16:10:29] <Forecaster> :P
L1335[16:13:10] <xandaros> SolraBizna: Dark blue for me. Makes it pretty hard to read on a black background, actually
L1336[16:13:42] <Forecaster> yeah, I have that color as well, I should remove that too from the allowed colors
L1337[16:14:11] <Michiyo> booo
L1338[16:14:31] <xandaros> All the other colours are nice to read. That blue is too dark, though
L1339[16:14:33] <Michiyo> SolraBizna, http://puu.sh/sHIBB/411da2222e.png
L1340[16:14:34] <xandaros> Maybe lighten it
L1341[16:16:34] <Michiyo> Lizzy, why can people post in announcements? :P
L1342[16:16:50] <Lizzy> ermm?
L1343[16:17:14] <Lizzy> do you mean like the release topics?
L1344[16:17:20] <Michiyo> I just had to move a question from someone out of announcements
L1345[16:17:32] <Lizzy> oh
L1346[16:17:36] <Michiyo> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/forum/16-announcements/
L1347[16:17:42] <Michiyo> See that link there.. lol
L1348[16:17:42] <Lizzy> i thought you said why can't people post, i was confused
L1349[16:17:49] <S3> WOT
L1350[16:18:03] <Michiyo> Just seems... an odd choice
L1351[16:18:04] <S3> https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIV0X75446503&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleBizMKPL-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleBizMKPL-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-9SIV0X75446503&gclid=CjwKEAiAg5_CBRDo4o6e4o3NtG0SJAB-IatYEv6qrPgTm339TjfDxNXf-IMqVMMIyp7HXIa4SNKa3hoCYCLw_wcB
L1352[16:18:07] <Lizzy> I'll go poke it
L1353[16:18:12] <Lizzy> they shouldn't be able to
L1354[16:18:12] <S3> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
L1355[16:18:15] * S3 is excited
L1356[16:18:23] <Lizzy> but i guess that permission didn't get carried over with the up[grade
L1357[16:18:31] <xandaros> I removed blue and now everyone's colour changed. This'll get some getting used to
L1358[16:18:40] <xandaros> s/get/need
L1359[16:18:40] <MichiBot> <xandaros> I removed blue and now everyone's colour changed. This'll need some getting used to
L1360[16:19:56] <Lizzy> there, fixed
L1361[16:20:28] <Lizzy> non-staff can reply to the announcement threads (if they're not locked) but they can't make new topics
L1362[16:20:29] <xandaros> I just realised that the nick colour actually has an impact on what I think about that person. Interesting
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L1367[16:31:15] <S3> xandaros: turn off color
L1368[16:31:33] <xandaros> Nah
L1369[16:31:39] <xandaros> Helps distinguish between people
L1370[16:31:48] <S3> Weechat eh
L1371[16:31:50] <S3> that explains it
L1372[16:32:04] <xandaros> If people with similar nick length and same colour talk to each other, I often get confused :D
L1373[16:32:26] <S3> you know when I was growing up
L1374[16:32:30] <xandaros> the heck is PotatOS?
L1375[16:32:35] <S3> you had to pay extra for color
L1376[16:35:27] <S3> I forget what PotatOS is
L1377[16:35:32] <S3> but I need to get back to working on OCBSD
L1378[16:35:58] <S3> once I have my OOP library done itl be so easy
L1379[16:36:23] <xandaros> Well, your client responds with "PotatOS IRC" to a version query...
L1380[16:36:50] <S3> mine does?
L1381[16:36:58] <xandaros> yeah
L1382[16:37:04] <S3> dafuq
L1383[16:37:05] <S3> Inari:
L1384[16:37:07] <S3> oops
L1385[16:37:11] <S3> where'd infina go..
L1386[16:37:19] <xandaros> CTCP reply from S3: VERSION PotatOS IRC v1.5
L1387[16:37:24] <S3> dafuq lol
L1388[16:37:34] <Inari> :P
L1389[16:37:34] <Michiyo> Those are easy to spoof...
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L1391[16:37:38] <Michiyo> version me..
L1392[16:37:40] <S3> I didn't do it!
L1393[16:37:40] <xandaros> of course they are
L1394[16:37:47] <S3> infina must have changed it on me
L1395[16:37:53] <Michiyo> Oh not me
L1396[16:38:00] <Michiyo> vesion Michiyo
L1397[16:38:05] <S3> lol..
L1398[16:38:08] <Michiyo> I forgot I'm not on my bouncer
L1399[16:38:13] <S3> I am
L1400[16:38:34] <S3> xandaros: a lot of times you will get 3 CTCP responses
L1401[16:38:46] <Michiyo> Rocking that mIRC
L1402[16:38:47] <S3> one from my computer with IRC cloud, one from my bouncer, and one from my laptop with irssi
L1403[16:38:47] <Michiyo> :p
L1404[16:38:48] <IzayaXMPP> am bored
L1405[16:38:54] <IzayaXMPP> I have 20 mins
L1406[16:38:54] <IzayaXMPP> wat do
L1407[16:39:17] <xandaros> Ah, irssi then
L1408[16:39:27] <CompanionCube> IzayaXMPP: read?
L1409[16:39:33] <xandaros> I looked at irssi, but ended up deciding on weechat
L1410[16:39:37] <IzayaXMPP> that would make sense
L1411[16:39:42] <IzayaXMPP> I should probably worrk on assignments
L1412[16:39:49] <payonel> xandaros: same. i used irssi for a time
L1413[16:39:50] <IzayaXMPP> but hahahaha I'll die before I get around to that
L1414[16:40:00] <CompanionCube> IzayaXMPP: https://companioncube.me/pocorgtfo/ if you need PDFs to read
L1415[16:41:08] <S3> CompanionCube: I'm very deep in thought about a network protocol design where you "mold the object into the data resources you need or want to provide"
L1416[16:41:14] <S3> in an object structure like way
L1417[16:41:50] <S3> but I can't think about how it'd work
L1418[16:41:59] <S3> a networking system independent of addressing
L1419[16:42:01] <S3> or anything
L1420[16:42:32] <Forecaster> way, I froze irssi xD
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L1422[16:42:49] <Forecaster> I had to kill it
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L1424[16:51:23] <Forecaster> woo
L1425[16:51:38] <Forecaster> scripting \o/
L1426[16:51:43] <Forecaster> breaking things
L1427[17:02:05] <Inari> Why are the lazy and nice jobs the ones to be easily autoamted :<
L1428[17:06:58] <Temia> Because robots want lazy and nice jobs too
L1429[17:07:03] <Temia> Think of the robots
L1430[17:08:19] <Inari> :P
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L1432[17:13:41] <Inari> imperial recipes be like
L1433[17:14:02] <Inari> take 3 cubic foot of flour andlet it sit for a quarter moon cycle
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L1438[17:37:35] <SolraBizna> heh
L1439[17:50:16] <S3> so
L1440[17:50:41] <Kodos> Anyone know if there's any example programs that use OpenRadio?
L1441[17:51:09] <S3> apparently {f^n(0)*[(x^n)/n!] = f(x), where f(x) is any function in existance.
L1442[17:51:37] <S3> Kodos: openradio or openfm?
L1443[17:51:42] <Kodos> OpenRadio, the laser comms
L1444[17:51:45] <S3> ah
L1445[17:52:09] * Kodos pokes XDjackieXD
L1446[17:52:24] * XDjackieXD pokes back
L1447[17:52:28] <Kodos> \o/
L1448[17:52:32] <Kodos> How to openradio =D
L1449[17:52:59] <XDjackieXD> just connect the lasers and they will connect the two networks together (only netowrks. not peripherals)
L1450[17:53:17] <Kodos> Okay den
L1451[17:54:18] <Kodos> ~w modem
L1452[17:54:18] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:modem
L1453[17:54:20] <XDjackieXD> http://pastebin.com/vEECRq2T http://pastebin.com/qzKvYjJq this was the demo I used at BTM to toggle some colorful lamps remotely using a touchscreen ^^
L1454[17:54:54] <S3> it'd be neat if they worked with peripherals too
L1455[17:54:55] <S3> heh
L1456[17:54:56] <Kodos> For lasers that are against the case/rack, distance will be zero, right?
L1457[17:54:59] <S3> er, components
L1458[17:55:14] <XDjackieXD> Kodos: what?
L1459[17:55:21] <Kodos> Nevermind, I'm a moron
L1460[17:55:22] <Kodos> =D
L1461[17:55:29] <Kodos> (That happens more often than I care to admit)
L1462[17:55:32] <XDjackieXD> the distance the api of the laser returns is the distance to the connected second laser :P
L1463[17:56:26] <XDjackieXD> S3: it's on purpose just the network messages. you can place a second pc though and build some form of component proxy :P
L1464[17:56:40] <XDjackieXD> (almost like usbip ^^)
L1465[17:56:41] <S3> you could.
L1466[17:57:24] <Kodos> Any way to direct the laser signal thinger 90 degrees?
L1467[17:57:27] <Kodos> I thought that was at hing
L1468[17:57:29] <Kodos> a thing*
L1469[17:57:44] <XDjackieXD> there is a thing
L1470[17:58:04] <XDjackieXD> the discouragement redirection cube (totally not stolen from portal)
L1471[17:58:43] <Kodos> Ahh, got it =D
L1472[17:58:55] <Kodos> This will definitely come in handy
L1473[17:59:01] <XDjackieXD> :D
L1474[17:59:23] <Kodos> Uhhh do the laser signals damage mobs?
L1475[17:59:30] <Kodos> I just watched a spider catch fire
L1476[17:59:33] <XDjackieXD> depends on the laser type ^^
L1477[17:59:38] <Kodos> I put in all the max stuff
L1478[17:59:41] <Kodos> Because creative
L1479[17:59:47] <XDjackieXD> then yes. it will do damage ^^
L1480[17:59:55] <Kodos> =D
L1481[18:00:07] <Kodos> What are the shaped lenses for
L1482[18:01:29] <XDjackieXD> placing lenses in the signal's path increases the maximum distance
L1483[18:01:37] <Kodos> Ahh, so a repeater so to speak
L1484[18:03:04] <Kodos> Now to start working on my datacenter design
L1485[18:03:13] <XDjackieXD> more or less. it increases the distance multiplier of a laser entity passing through it. default multiplier is 1. a glass lens adds 1, a quartz lens 3 and a diamond one 7. the maximum range is 4096 (calculated as such: (Shaped Diamond Lens multiplier + 1)*2 * Nd:YAG Laser Tube range)
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L1487[18:04:46] <S3> Kodos: by using OCR
L1488[18:04:47] * XDjackieXD is off for today. good night o/
L1489[18:04:52] <Kodos> Night. Thanks Jackie :3
L1490[18:04:57] <XDjackieXD> np ^.^
L1491[18:05:00] <S3> Kodos: to have a datacenter you need networking :D
L1492[18:05:15] <Kodos> S3 I want to learn vanilla networking first before I dive into anything 3rd party
L1493[18:05:26] <Kodos> But I am definitely wanting to check out ocra
L1494[18:06:05] <S3> technically all networking in oc is third party
L1495[18:06:07] <Kodos> My plan is to have two rack tall servers that are tied to each other, in rows of 4-8
L1496[18:06:10] <S3> I mean we just kinda give you the modem..
L1497[18:06:13] <Kodos> Well
L1498[18:06:21] <Kodos> The server hardware will exist
L1499[18:06:33] <Kodos> Each server's networking will be custom programmed depending on what I need
L1500[18:06:38] <S3> right
L1501[18:07:06] <Kodos> I -really- want to learn how to use the http stuff. I've been dabbling a bit in Second Life, but I want to expand to use what I've got so far in MC
L1502[18:07:23] <S3> Lol
L1503[18:07:24] <Kodos> We have a MySQL database, and quite a few PHP scripts that are used
L1504[18:07:27] <S3> so, I don't play Second life
L1505[18:07:33] <Kodos> So I want to make fun stuff
L1506[18:07:41] <S3> but if you got http stuff in second life, you could technically make an OCR link between MC and Second life
L1507[18:07:54] <S3> technically
L1508[18:08:12] <Kodos> Well the current idea is to make a chat app so I can talk to a comms panel in Second Life from an MC computer
L1509[18:08:20] <S3> ic
L1510[18:08:39] <SolraBizna> make a drone that is controlled by someone on the Second Life side
L1511[18:09:22] <Kodos> Actually I was thinking of being able to check a Big Reactors reactor stats/status from SL
L1512[18:10:39] <Inari> "Codewars Red" so like Youtube Red?
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L1514[18:14:57] <Kodos> Well shit
L1515[18:15:01] <Kodos> Who still plays 1.7.10?
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L1518[18:16:53] <S3> daheck
L1519[18:17:05] <SolraBizna> I do
L1520[18:17:22] <SolraBizna> and I will until *every* mod I use gets ported
L1521[18:17:45] <Kodos> Do you use Project Red and/or Vic's Integrated Circuits mod?
L1522[18:18:09] <SolraBizna> I do not
L1523[18:18:19] <Kodos> Do you use anything for bundled wire, or no
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L1525[18:18:47] <SolraBizna> I don't, unless you could BuildCraft pipe wire
L1526[18:18:54] <SolraBizna> *count
L1527[18:19:03] <Kodos> Nah, I mean something that triggers T2 Redstone Card's bundled wire support
L1528[18:19:10] <SolraBizna> I would love it if OpenComputers supported pipe wire for that but it doesn't
L1529[18:21:33] <Kodos> Indeed
L1530[18:22:48] <neX!Tem> i just had a idea
L1531[18:23:02] <neX!Tem> maybe the chunk loading freeze of my open computers has to do with the fact that I am using optifine?
L1532[18:23:16] <neX!Tem> optifine has a different way of handling chunk loading I think
L1533[18:24:05] <Caitlyn> That side of OC is handled server side
L1534[18:24:17] <Caitlyn> unless I'm misunderstanding your issue
L1535[18:24:38] <SolraBizna> is there a mod that *just* adds bundled wire?
L1536[18:25:08] <Kodos> I don't believe so
L1537[18:25:20] <Kodos> You should totes make one, and then PR support for it on OC's repo
L1538[18:25:55] <SolraBizna> but then I would have to write code that interacts with Minecraft's world model... ick!
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L1541[18:47:54] <neX!Tem> after waiting a very very long time at a frozen computer ( my door locks me out cause the computer that controls the sensor is frozen ) it starts to unfreeze and work as intended...
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L1543[18:51:24] <S3> Kodos: I have no idea what I am doing
L1544[18:51:39] <Kodos> Shoot
L1545[18:51:57] <S3> lol
L1546[18:52:26] <S3> I set up a second life account just to see what you were talking about but the game is too confusing
L1547[18:52:57] <Kodos> Eh, well
L1548[18:53:01] <Kodos> First of all, it's not really a game
L1549[18:53:11] <S3> Looks like a game to me
L1550[18:53:12] <Kodos> Second, the vanilla viewer they make you download is terrible
L1551[18:53:18] <Kodos> Are you on now?
L1552[18:53:22] <S3> yes lol
L1553[18:53:25] <Kodos> What's your username
L1554[18:53:25] <S3> flying around
L1555[18:53:29] <S3> yelling WHEEE
L1556[18:54:24] <IzayaXMPP> fictional hardware manufacturer names go
L1557[18:56:03] <SolraBizna> Mike House Co
L1558[18:56:20] <Kodos> Soluna Technologies
L1559[18:56:45] <IzayaXMPP> that one's cool
L1560[18:57:15] <Kodos> Let me sh ow you something
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L1562[18:58:56] <Kodos> Why can't nonbuggy mods look like this https://puu.sh/ohJmx/6e4f6e3724.png
L1563[18:59:26] <Caitlyn> Because you just said "non buggy" and "mod" in the same sentence.
L1564[18:59:33] <Kodos> Anyway, I don't have it anymore because puush cycled it out, but I have an MCHeli Sikorsky VIP chopper with a Soluna Technologies logo on it
L1565[18:59:38] <Kodos> Indeed
L1566[19:01:10] <IzayaXMPP> does puu.sh work on loonix?
L1567[19:02:36] <Kodos> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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L1569[19:03:21] <IzayaXMPP> because I can actually access it
L1570[19:09:50] <neX!Tem> at the end of the day
L1571[19:10:20] <neX!Tem> most modders are noobs, and noobs try to learn, so they mod their things horribly ^^
L1572[19:10:28] <neX!Tem> mods are hacks
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L1584[20:31:57] <S3> noobs noobs noobs
L1585[20:32:57] <S3> neX!Tem: It probably doesn't help that it's Java either.
L1586[20:33:08] <S3> Well, it doesn't have to be Java, but it's the JVM period
L1587[20:38:42] <gamax92> there are a decent handful of languages that run on the JVM now
L1588[20:39:12] <gamax92> and also cross compilers, though that may not be as optimized of code output
L1589[20:39:39] <SolraBizna> one of the advantages of the JVM is that optimization takes place at launch/runtime
L1590[20:39:46] <SolraBizna> HotSpot is actually pretty cool about that
L1591[20:40:04] <gamax92> that's not all of the optimizations though :P
L1592[20:40:18] <gamax92> like ... if I wern't in windows again for some reason I'd show you what I mean
L1593[20:40:29] <SolraBizna> I've seen Terraria's source code
L1594[20:40:31] <SolraBizna> I know how bad it can get
L1595[20:40:36] <gamax92> no you don't
L1596[20:40:50] <SolraBizna> are you sure?
L1597[20:41:58] <gamax92> SolraBizna: http://hastebin.com/osiguyenit.java
L1598[20:42:26] <SolraBizna> ...nonfunctional without JavaScript -_-
L1599[20:42:29] <S3> Yeah Perl6 runs on the JVM now but
L1600[20:42:35] <S3> you still have the JVM issues
L1601[20:42:38] <gamax92> wait really?
L1602[20:42:42] <S3> yes
L1603[20:42:47] <gamax92> not you S3
L1604[20:42:52] <S3> ah
L1605[20:43:00] <gamax92> SolraBizna: http://hastebin.com/raw/osiguyenit how about that?
L1606[20:43:07] <SolraBizna> I enabled it on that page
L1607[20:43:15] <SolraBizna> fortunately, this is not one of those scripts that nukes my browser
L1608[20:43:20] <SolraBizna> That's bad, I'll admit
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L1610[20:43:42] <SolraBizna> but not as bad as a 20,000-line if/else chain of the form if(id == 1) { ... } else { if(id == 2) { ... ...
L1611[20:43:55] <SolraBizna> note the brace between the else and the second if
L1612[20:44:05] <gamax92> oh
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L1614[20:45:46] <SolraBizna> in 1.2(ish) they changed it
L1615[20:45:58] <SolraBizna> ...by splitting each 1000 cases into its own function
L1616[20:46:32] <SolraBizna> you'd think they would've eventually learned about switch or Map, but nope...
L1617[20:47:18] <gamax92> but yeah lljvm compiles into Jasmin assembly, not .java files, and the code looks like that mess and not at all like normal Java code, which looks like they're doing their own memory management ontop of Java's memory management
L1618[20:47:41] <SolraBizna> and in an amazingly pessimal way, too
L1619[20:48:19] <SolraBizna> looking at itreminds me of asm.js
L1620[20:48:22] <SolraBizna> s/itreminds/it reminds/
L1621[20:48:22] <MichiBot> <SolraBizna> looking at it reminds me of asm.js
L1622[20:48:23] <gamax92> but hey it works and is the only open source functional thing that I've seen so far, mtSystems says their backlogged with doing ports of commercial software, so i.e any request you make won't be finished in a life time
L1623[20:50:36] <gamax92> the mtSystems demo page still works though so one could technically translate a piece of software from C to Java 1111 characters at a time
L1624[20:50:44] <gamax92> like I did :>
L1625[20:52:24] <SolraBizna> heh
L1626[21:03:06] <payonel> what mod plays music? OpenFM? what mod was at btm playing music on the speaakers? Computronics?
L1627[21:03:28] <Kodos> OpenFM plays a stream, Computronics can play files saved to tape
L1628[21:03:35] <Kodos> In the proper format
L1629[21:04:07] <payonel> Kodos: there, quoted you :)
L1630[21:04:18] <Kodos> wat
L1631[21:04:19] <Kodos> where
L1632[21:04:24] <payonel> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1667#issuecomment-265640461
L1633[21:04:32] <gamax92> BTM had a mixture of Computronics tapes and Charset tapes
L1634[21:04:42] <Kodos> Oh, just soni
L1635[21:04:48] <Kodos> Nevermind, don't care anymore
L1636[21:05:08] <Kodos> You've heard of patent trolls? Well Soni tends to be an issue troll
L1637[21:05:50] <gamax92> ... payonel those mods are not at all relavent to that issue
L1638[21:06:25] <gamax92> That is like going: "Hey I'd like help playing the piano" "Sure, have this guitar instead"
L1639[21:07:40] <SolraBizna> "their bug came from the update subtracting 0.5, which does not have an exact binary representation"
L1640[21:07:49] <SolraBizna> it does, though
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L1643[21:10:40] <payonel> gamax92: i agree. i feel soni is too often asking oc to do something it isn't intended to do - so it made me think 'use something that is designed to do that'
L1644[21:10:46] <gamax92> ... no?
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L1646[21:11:46] <gamax92> OC can do noteblock music stuff just fine, just that you have to accept the fact that os.sleep is not a good timing mechanism in OC and instead just watch computer.uptime or busy sleep
L1647[21:12:05] <SolraBizna> and then, just to make matters worse, Minecraft ticks are jittertacular
L1648[21:12:29] <gamax92> this is probably under the assumtion you are not having tick lag or latency
L1649[21:13:29] <payonel> gamax92: that's a very good point, thanks for pointing that out
L1650[21:13:37] <xandaros> Hmm, this makes me wonder. If I have a component sending a signal, the computer won't necessarily receive the signal in the same tick, will it?
L1651[21:13:52] <SolraBizna> It usually will[citation needed]
L1652[21:13:53] <gamax92> no
L1653[21:14:10] <gamax92> the computer has to yield to get the signal since thats how the signal mechanism works
L1654[21:14:33] <SolraBizna> Can it not be scheduled again in the same tick?
L1655[21:14:42] <xandaros> Well, yes. Assume the computer yielded before the signal was sent
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L1657[21:16:12] <gamax92> hmm... now I wonder
L1658[21:17:02] <gamax92> oh well I suppose there's an easy way to test
L1659[21:17:10] <gamax92> I need to get out of Windows though...
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L1661[21:18:20] <xandaros> Also, what do you mean by "busy sleep"? Sleep for a tiny amount of time (0?) in a loop and check how much time has passed? You could still miss a tick, though, couldn't you?
L1662[21:18:39] <SolraBizna> OC provides no hard timing guarantees
L1663[21:19:08] <SolraBizna> especially when there are a lot of computers fighting over worker threads
L1664[21:21:59] <xandaros> Yeah, that's actually kind of annoying :(
L1665[21:22:07] <xandaros> Not sure what you could do about it, though
L1666[21:24:42] <S3> I have no idea
L1667[21:28:12] <SolraBizna> For architectures with more control over their own execution, there could be synchronous handling
L1668[21:28:32] <SolraBizna> a time slice of emulated time gets evaluated every tick, at the same time as the rest of the world
L1669[21:28:52] <SolraBizna> having that on every computer wouldn't be a good idea, though
L1670[21:29:12] <SolraBizna> ...thinking about it, it wouldn't be too hard to make a modded computer that has that behavior, would it?
L1671[21:29:47] <SolraBizna> so your reactor control computer and your jukebox can do their relatively short, time-sensitive tasks on cue every time, and the rest of your stuff would be multithreaded and as-you-please
L1672[21:30:26] <xandaros> I wonder... could you make a modified lua architecture that uses cooperative multithreading, where all computers are guaranteed to be scheduled each tick?
L1673[21:30:47] <xandaros> As you said - terrible idea as a default - but for time sensitive things maybe useful. Liek real time OS
L1674[21:30:58] <SolraBizna> You could do that with specially-written programs
L1675[21:31:30] <SolraBizna> And... it *might* be possible to make a pure-Java Lua VM with realtime characteristics
L1676[21:33:23] <SolraBizna> OC-ARM is designed to be able to handle that right now, though, so it would make sense to start testing with something like that
L1677[21:40:56] <xandaros> SolraBizna: Has the current Lua VM that OC is using no way of supporting that?
L1678[21:43:52] <Kodos> Has anyone done anything for the light boards wrt something along the lines of using the 1x12 mode for a meter?
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L1680[21:47:54] <gamax92> huh, something interesting SolraBizna ... lemme post screenshot.
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L1683[21:49:08] <gamax92> SolraBizna: https://i.imgur.com/dlB1CN6.png
L1684[21:49:19] <SolraBizna> LuaJ and the other Lua VM that OC use are both designed to be as fast as possible, rather than having a controlled rate of execution
L1685[21:49:48] <gamax92> the other Lua VM is the standard Lua VM :P
L1686[21:50:03] <xandaros> it is
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L1688[21:52:09] <xandaros> Well, the user code yields at some point. It gets resumed from java at some point. Is it really not possible to choose that time to resume to be the next tick? (Ignoring potential performance detriments)
L1689[21:52:12] <xandaros> That seems odd to me
L1690[21:53:52] <gamax92> it seems you can pull 4 signals per tick
L1691[21:54:11] <gamax92> I thought that might have been related to the number of workers so I set that to 8, ... but it's still showing 4 signals per tick
L1692[21:54:31] <xandaros> Interesting
L1693[21:54:46] <xandaros> Are those 4 shared between computers or does each computer get 4?
L1694[21:55:03] <gamax92> I'm only running 1 computer atm but I'll test with multiple
L1695[21:55:17] <SolraBizna> gamax92: call budget?
L1696[21:55:22] <SolraBizna> xandaros: it's because they run in another thread
L1697[21:55:39] <SolraBizna> it would be possible to set up, but somewhat annoying
L1698[21:55:44] <gamax92> SolraBizna: don't think so
L1699[21:55:57] <SolraBizna> tried with different CPU tiers?
L1700[21:56:06] <gamax92> call budget is used for calling components, computer.pullSignal is just api
L1701[21:56:38] <xandaros> What's this call budget?
L1702[21:56:43] <gamax92> T1 cpu still has 4 events per tick
L1703[21:56:48] <SolraBizna> Strange
L1704[21:56:58] <SolraBizna> Where is that number coming from?
L1705[21:57:05] <SolraBizna> (as in, why is it 4, not how are you measuring)
L1706[21:57:25] <gamax92> well too bad have my measurement program anyway http://hastebin.com/raw/rogihidiha
L1707[21:57:41] <xandaros> lol
L1708[21:57:53] <SolraBizna> measurement looks sound
L1709[21:58:17] <SolraBizna> lack of inline IOs means the call budget won't interfere, and computer.pullSignal *does* (IIRC) put the signals in the same place "real" signals go
L1710[21:58:48] <SolraBizna> s/pullSignal/pushSignal/
L1711[21:58:49] <MichiBot> <SolraBizna> lack of inline IOs means the call budget won't interfere, and computer.pushSignal *does* (IIRC) put the signals in the same place "real" signals go
L1712[21:58:49] <gamax92> I'm going to go modify machine.lua real quick to expose a computer api function
L1713[21:58:51] <xandaros> What is call budget? ...
L1714[21:59:04] <SolraBizna> It's a maximum number of "component calls" a computer can make per tick
L1715[21:59:27] <SolraBizna> to make the computers feel slow
L1716[22:01:02] <xandaros> Oh wow, the defaults are low. I'll have to increase that, I think
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L1718[22:01:28] <SolraBizna> You may not need as high a call budget as you think
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L1720[22:02:18] <SolraBizna> back in ~30
L1721[22:02:28] <gamax92> SolraBizna: I tested with real events too such as dragging the mouse on the screen, still 4 events per tick, so yeah computer.pushSignal shouldn't be an issue
L1722[22:02:34] <xandaros> Does it accumulate? The default for T3 is 1.5. This means I can't do 2 calls in one tick, right?
L1723[22:02:42] <gamax92> no
L1724[22:02:53] <gamax92> it's subtract 1/limit per component call
L1725[22:03:07] <gamax92> component methods all have their own limits
L1726[22:03:16] <xandaros> Ah
L1727[22:03:32] <gamax92> such as gpu.set having a limit of 256 or so, meaning you can call 384 gpu.set calls per tick
L1728[22:03:51] <xandaros> Alright, that's fine, then
L1729[22:04:12] <xandaros> (And yes, for gpu that wouldn't make much sense)
L1730[22:04:44] <gamax92> hard drives have much lower limits such as ... 1 for loot disks, 10 for T3 HDDs, and tmpfs has 13 ... and theres a slot for 15 that I cant see being used
L1731[22:04:47] <xandaros> How is the limit determined for external components? (From other mods)
L1732[22:05:03] <gamax92> the Callback method annotation allows you to specify the limit there
L1733[22:05:24] <gamax92> @Callback(direct=true, limit=32)
L1734[22:05:56] <gamax92> oh right, the limit only applies to stuff marked as direct=true, otherwise it'll force a yield because direct=false means the computer has to switch from it's own thread to the server thread to do the call
L1735[22:06:39] <xandaros> ...which it would have to do for most other mods' purposes
L1736[22:08:24] <xandaros> And, looking at the documentation, a non-direct call takes a whole tick :/
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L1739[22:12:35] <xandaros> Which begs the question: If I execute a non-direct call, will it execute it first and then sleep for a tick, or the other way around? (Though, admittedly, I don't really care anymore. Clearly OC is not suited for the task I had in mind)
L1740[22:14:33] <gamax92> what was the task you had in mind?
L1741[22:15:50] <gamax92> and keep in mind OC isn't a mine field of non direct calls, Sangar made sure to put direct=true when possible
L1742[22:16:38] <xandaros> Automating endergenic generators :P
L1743[22:16:46] <xandaros> It seems OC is so unsuited it's not even funny
L1744[22:16:49] <gamax92> and why is OC not suited do that?
L1745[22:17:11] <xandaros> Because I need tick perfect timing. All calls on it are non-direct, too
L1746[22:18:05] <Kodos> That's why most people are using SCM to deal with Ender Generators in 1.10
L1747[22:18:09] <Kodos> You could try an IC in 1.7
L1748[22:18:24] <xandaros> I do actually have an SCM solution right now
L1749[22:19:13] <xandaros> An OC solution would make scaling easier, though
L1750[22:20:43] <xandaros> Although... I am planning on making the generators send signals. I might not need more than one call per tick and if the signal does arrive on the same tick...
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L1752[22:21:27] <xandaros> (I might want to mention - I am currently working on the OC interface for RFTools. I'll see if I can make any of the calls direct, but I doubt it)
L1753[22:22:02] <Kodos> OC Interface?
L1754[22:22:12] <xandaros> driver, whatever
L1755[22:22:33] <gamax92> oh I'll also test with LuaJ and do some tests with direct calls
L1756[22:22:57] <xandaros> Kodos: This: https://github.com/McJty/RFTools/pull/865
L1757[22:23:04] <xandaros> There - no problems with terminology now.
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L1759[22:23:25] <gamax92> Sangar is dead D:
L1760[22:24:36] <gamax92> eww LuaJ has awful number formatting
L1761[22:24:48] <SolraBizna> OC-ARM supports deferral of indirect calls
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L1764[22:25:00] <SolraBizna> I don't remember the details since it's been over a year since I wrote that code
L1765[22:25:54] <SolraBizna> my computer lives!
L1766[22:26:08] <SolraBizna> ah, I remember now
L1767[22:26:17] <SolraBizna> you mark an invocation as async
L1768[22:26:31] <SolraBizna> next time the computer yields for whatever reason, it performs the call
L1769[22:28:12] <gamax92> oh I think I know where this delay comes from ... :/
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L1771[22:30:59] <gamax92> SolraBizna: computer.executionDelay=12 results in 12 ms forced wait per yield, and guess what, computer.realTime shows a 12ms difference after calling computer.pullSignal
L1772[22:31:08] <gamax92> after setting it to 0 many signals come in per tick
L1773[22:32:07] <SolraBizna> ah
L1774[22:34:26] <gamax92> which that option is Lua architecture specific obviously hence why oc-arm probably doesn't have that issue
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L1776[22:38:23] <SolraBizna> as it should be, IMO
L1777[22:38:31] <SolraBizna> since OC-ARM has its own, very strict execution cap
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