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L1[00:01:07] <scj643> Lol
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L4[00:18:29] <gamax92> Izaya: p ... put it places.
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L7[00:21:46] <Izaya> gamax92: are you Inari
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L10[00:24:51] <gamax92> where has Inari been?
L11[00:24:53] <gamax92> %seen Inari
L12[00:24:53] <MichiBot> gamax92: Inari was last seen 11h 19m 43s ago.
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L33[01:23:17] <payonel> Magik6k hi
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L35[01:34:29] <payonel> so running gradle commands setupDecompWorkspace and idea take AGES and there is almost no resource cost (cpu/ram/io are all very very low on my system)
L36[01:34:36] <payonel> network too, unused
L37[01:34:40] <Keridos> how can I speed up writing output to a screen?
L38[01:34:41] <payonel> why does this take so long?
L39[01:34:55] <payonel> Keridos: how are you doing it?
L40[01:35:16] <Keridos> payonel: currently just a function, can i thread it?
L41[01:35:19] <Vexatos> payonel, it has to check a lot of files :P
L42[01:35:25] <Vexatos> Also, there's no need for the idea task
L43[01:35:25] <payonel> Vexatos: HI!
L44[01:35:36] <Vexatos> IDEA itself does it much better than gradle ever could
L45[01:35:56] <payonel> Vexatos: ok - but when i tried the import via idea alone, i couldn't run the client "GradleStart" not found
L46[01:35:59] <Vexatos> just run ./gradlew idea and once that's done, open the directory from inside IDEA
L47[01:36:08] <payonel> so i thought maybe i had to use the gradlew idea to help
L48[01:36:21] <payonel> ah yes ^ that's what i'm doing right now
L49[01:36:29] <payonel> Keridos: no threads in lua, let alone openos
L50[01:36:30] <Vexatos> did you click the "refresh gradle project" after you imported it
L51[01:36:46] <Vexatos> payonel, eeh sorry, not idea, ./gradlew setupDecompWorkspace
L52[01:36:50] <Vexatos> the idea task is shit
L53[01:36:52] <payonel> Keridos: the fastest rendering is going to be trimming your strings before hand to fit exactly in the screen and using gpu.set
L54[01:37:19] <payonel> Vexatos: ok, noted. what did i screw up if i can't run "client" due to no GradleStart ?
L55[01:37:26] <payonel> class-not-found that is
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L57[01:37:44] <Vexatos> You sure you ran setupDecompWorkspace before?
L58[01:37:56] <payonel> Vexatos: yes
L59[01:37:58] <Keridos> gpu.set needs trimmed to screen size?
L60[01:37:58] <Vexatos> click the "refresh gradle project" in the gradle submenu inside IDEA
L61[01:38:15] <Keridos> ok that is a bit hard to do currently, need to make the code quite a bit more complex then
L62[01:38:29] <Vexatos> Keridos, gpu.getResolution?
L63[01:38:38] <payonel> Keridos: no, just saying if you prepare your strings before hand it would shave a tiny bit of time, tiny
L64[01:39:00] <payonel> Keridos: if you can't trim, or don't want to, dont fret it
L65[01:39:08] <payonel> but the fewer gpu.set calls the faster it'll be
L66[01:39:38] <payonel> Keridos: but there is not going to be anything faster than gpu.set
L67[01:39:40] <Keridos> payonel: currently I iterate through all lines and clear and then set text
L68[01:39:47] <payonel> no reason to clear
L69[01:39:53] <payonel> unless your strings don't fill the width
L70[01:40:00] <payonel> spaces will clear
L71[01:40:14] <Keridos> they dont, need to figure out how to expand the string to fit the screen
L72[01:40:29] <payonel> expand? pad with spaces?
L73[01:40:42] <Keridos> yes
L74[01:40:53] <payonel> #lua "foobar".("x"):rep(10)
L75[01:41:04] <payonel> #lua return "foobar".("x"):rep(10)
L76[01:41:07] <payonel> :/
L77[01:41:13] <Vexatos> ..
L78[01:41:14] <Vexatos> not .
L79[01:41:15] <Vexatos> :>
L80[01:41:20] <payonel> ah crap stupid perl
L81[01:41:27] <payonel> i've been using perl recently
L82[01:41:30] <payonel> sorry
L83[01:41:33] <Vexatos> Step 0: Stay away from perl
L84[01:41:37] <payonel> i wish
L85[01:41:38] <payonel> work
L86[01:41:40] <Vexatos> it's aaaaaaaaaaaargh
L87[01:41:42] <Vexatos> this language
L88[01:41:44] <payonel> i do c++ at work
L89[01:41:45] <Keridos> now I just need to do that with adding the necessary amount of spaces
L90[01:41:46] <Vexatos> how is this popular
L91[01:41:51] <payonel> but, perl SOMETIMES for testing
L92[01:41:52] <Vexatos> it's so ugly ._.
L93[01:41:56] <Keridos> or can I just put in more spaces than it needs`
L94[01:41:57] <Keridos> ?
L95[01:42:02] <Vexatos> it's even more ugly than c++ ._.
L96[01:42:18] <payonel> Vexatos: :) you know i love c++
L97[01:42:30] <Vexatos> c++ is so ugly ._.
L98[01:42:45] <payonel> and i'm not a qa engineer, if i want to submit tests to their repo, i have to do it by their rules
L99[01:42:58] <payonel> but i digress -
L100[01:43:08] <payonel> Keridos: yeah, fill with spaces
L101[01:44:45] <payonel> Keridos: clear() is faster than gpu.set with spaces, but if you are already calling gpu.set for non-space text, then it is faster to fill your text with spaces than ALSO calling clear
L102[01:44:55] <payonel> i have no idea if that makes sense when read, but it makes sense in my head
L103[01:44:58] <payonel> sorry :)
L104[01:45:20] <Vexatos> gpu.fill is a thing too
L105[01:45:28] <payonel> yes ^
L106[01:45:30] <payonel> thanks vex
L107[01:47:26] <payonel> Keridos: it would be best to consider the same cost (in time) to call each method (clear, set, fill), just design your code to make fewer calls in total
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L111[01:53:46] <Keridos> what format does the gpu geresolution have?
L112[01:54:07] <Keridos> if I just want the first number, what do I need to do with that?
L113[01:54:37] <payonel> Keridos: http://ocdoc.cil.li/component:gpu
L114[01:54:40] <payonel> getResolution(): number, number
L115[01:54:47] <payonel> it is: width, height
L116[01:54:53] <Keridos> yeah but what does number, number mean?
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L118[01:55:05] <payonel> those are the return types
L119[01:55:05] <Vexatos> that it returns two numbers?
L120[01:55:05] <Vexatos> >_>
L121[01:55:08] <Keridos> is that a table, a string or what?
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L123[01:55:14] <Vexatos> it is two numbers
L124[01:55:19] <payonel> Keridos: are you familiar witth lua?
L125[01:55:24] <Vexatos> local xRes, yRes = gpu.getResolution()
L126[01:55:25] <Keridos> not that much
L127[01:55:25] <payonel> s/tt/t/
L128[01:55:25] <MichiBot> <payonel> Keridos: are you familiar with lua?
L129[01:55:34] <payonel> Keridos: lua supports multiple returns
L130[01:55:44] <Vexatos> that's how to use it
L131[01:55:48] <Vexatos> or, if you only want x
L132[01:55:49] <Vexatos> well
L133[01:55:50] <payonel> like vex showed, you can assign to multiple vars
L134[01:55:55] <Vexatos> local xRes = gpu.getResolution()
L135[02:00:20] <Keridos> ok thanks, have this now to expand my strings: return (input..(" "):rep(xresolution - input:len()))
L136[02:00:41] <Keridos> seems to be updating a lot faster now
L137[02:01:00] <Keridos> and it doesnt flicker anymore
L138[02:01:01] <Vexatos> why do you append free spaces
L139[02:01:09] <payonel> to clear what was there previously
L140[02:01:16] <Vexatos> ah well
L141[02:01:26] <Keridos> the values I write are not formatted to be exactly the same length
L142[02:01:30] <Vexatos> might as well just use clear once
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L144[02:01:50] <Keridos> i do not clear at all during my main loop, just once at program start
L145[02:01:52] <payonel> clear will cause a flicker, however
L146[02:02:23] <payonel> Keridos: will input contain any wide chars, btw?
L147[02:02:56] <Keridos> do not think so, its just text a few chars like comma and semicolon, and numbers
L148[02:03:05] <Keridos> and my grammar sucks
L149[02:03:40] <Keridos> looks pretty decent now, it updates about once per second or faster and it does not flicker anymore
L150[02:04:35] <payonel> unicode.wlen will be necessary if you have wide chars (it works with both types)
L151[02:04:51] <payonel> so where you have input:len() you'd use unicode.wlen(input)
L152[02:05:05] <payonel> but - you can ignore this if you're not concerned about wide chars :)
L153[02:05:11] <payonel> just felt like mentioning it
L154[02:05:29] <Keridos> ok thanks, will probably see it when I have wide chars anytime in the future :)
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L180[04:35:43] <Charlotte> Izaya im gonna go get this SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5450
L181[04:36:07] <Izaya> nice
L182[04:36:13] <Charlotte> run open case with two desk top fans
L183[04:36:17] <Izaya> I could probably give you an 8600GT
L184[04:36:59] <Charlotte> same connector?
L185[04:37:13] <Charlotte> pinlayout w/e you wanna call it
L186[04:37:13] <Charlotte> i forget the name
L187[04:38:21] <Izaya> no extra power
L188[04:38:24] <Izaya> just PCI-e slot
L189[04:38:36] <Izaya> it's a midrange card from like 2007 though
L190[04:39:04] <Charlotte> that'd probably help
L191[04:39:10] <Charlotte> i cant render in magicavoxel atm
L192[04:39:16] <Charlotte> im not willing to dare blender
L193[04:39:45] <Charlotte> also tried to install blender32 bit...complained saying i was trying to install 64 bit on 32bit...weird crap
L194[04:40:23] <Charlotte> 8gb of readyboost......factorio should launch faster now
L195[04:41:28] <Charlotte> nvm wasn't blender wht was it ...ah well
L196[04:42:38] <Izaya> the S10es
L197[04:42:40] <Izaya> can run blender
L198[04:42:54] <Charlotte> that, i know :3
L199[04:43:18] <Izaya> showed my multimedia character and I'm complaining about slow rendering
L200[04:43:32] <Izaya> he just goes "I'm amazed it's running on there"
L201[04:47:44] <Charlotte> lol
L202[04:47:53] <Charlotte> slow rendering how about no rendering
L203[04:47:54] <Charlotte> :p
L204[04:48:15] <Izaya> it takes 30 seconds to render a picture it takes the desktops 0.3 seconnds to render
L205[04:49:22] <Charlotte> i found out why this over heated
L206[04:49:33] <Charlotte> i didnt see the fan on the side when i placed it down....next to a box.
L207[04:50:06] <Charlotte> still for the gpu to overheat and seemingly die without warning...
L208[05:06:05] <Izaya> I'm probably a bad person
L209[05:06:09] <Izaya> Charlotte am I a bad person
L210[05:06:19] <Charlotte> why so?
L211[05:06:51] <Izaya> friend of mine likes another friend of mine
L212[05:07:00] <Izaya> so I'm pirating a copy of L4D2 for use at school
L213[05:07:18] <Izaya> and I'm like to him "Apparently <x> likes L4D2"
L214[05:07:27] <Izaya> he just goes "i dont give a shit"
L215[05:07:31] <Izaya> "I'm sure :3"
L216[05:07:34] <Izaya> "fuck off"
L217[05:07:46] <Izaya> "Surely you wouldn't say no to a chance to play with her"
L218[05:07:50] <Izaya> he hasn't responded
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L221[05:17:07] <Skye> Izaya, you're either a good person or a bad person in that case
L222[05:17:25] <Izaya> I'm trying to get them to interact
L223[05:17:43] <Skye> bad because you're forcing someone to do something
L224[05:18:01] <Skye> good because you want to do something that ends up good
L225[05:18:03] <Skye> so
L226[05:18:06] * Skye shrugs
L227[05:19:34] <Izaya> for the end reason
L228[05:19:36] <Izaya> of lulz
L229[05:21:26] <Skye> are you trying to play cupid? :P
L230[05:21:44] <Izaya> no
L231[05:21:50] <Izaya> I'm going to laugh at them when it fails
L232[05:22:09] <Skye> then that's bad
L233[05:22:14] <Skye> :I
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L235[05:23:50] <Charlotte> lol IzayaxD
L236[05:23:58] <Charlotte> you are a great person
L237[05:24:08] <Charlotte> in a terrible way
L238[05:25:56] <Skye> hahahah
L239[05:26:10] <Mettaton_Fab> https://soundcloud.com/th3-w1z4rds-0f-d4nktr1cks/here-comes-dat-boi
L240[05:26:59] <Izaya> Like I mean
L241[05:27:05] <Izaya> he's even harder to get along with than me
L242[05:27:15] <Izaya> if nothing else I get to see him swirm
L243[05:27:26] <Izaya> today I showed her how to connect to Mumble
L244[05:30:09] <Skye> so... Izaya is evil cupid? :P
L245[05:30:53] <Izaya> that's one way to look at it I guess
L246[05:31:05] <Izaya> does evil cupid walk around hitting people with a large wrench?
L247[05:31:20] <Skye> no
L248[05:32:06] <Skye> so maybe not
L249[05:32:23] <Izaya> so what does evil cupid do?
L250[05:34:44] <Skye> well... badly match people deliberately so they suffer.
L251[05:36:51] <Izaya> that doesn't forbid hitting people with a large wrench
L252[05:38:17] <Skye> hm
L253[05:38:32] <Skye> where does hitting people with a large wrench come from
L254[05:38:52] <Izaya> a number of things
L255[05:38:58] <Izaya> I've also seen a wrench turned into a knife
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L258[05:39:58] <Charlotte> hmmm i nead an alternate shell for windows other than cmd...
L259[05:40:04] <Skye> powershell
L260[05:40:11] <Izaya> cmder wasn't terrible last I tried
L261[05:40:16] <Izaya> pre-set-up bash and stuff
L262[05:40:20] <Charlotte> ah
L263[05:40:23] <Charlotte> sweet.
L264[05:40:48] <Skye> Charlotte, you need to turn a junk computer into a server for HTTP cache
L265[05:41:11] <Charlotte> not atm
L266[05:41:17] <Charlotte> im on mobile data :p
L267[05:41:25] <Charlotte> also i dont have a junk computer
L268[05:41:31] <Charlotte> as the junk computer, is now my main
L269[05:41:42] <Izaya> all computers are junk
L270[05:41:44] <Izaya> all hardware sucks
L271[05:42:21] <Skye> %p Charlotte
L272[05:42:22] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Charlotte 1.12s
L273[05:43:43] <Charlotte> cmder sounds amazing Izaya downlkoading now
L274[05:43:58] <Charlotte> i could run a headless vm on here i guess Skye
L275[05:44:12] <Charlotte> and run squid on it
L276[05:44:39] <Izaya> >squid
L277[05:44:41] <Izaya> polipo pls
L278[05:44:47] <Charlotte> but being that factorio suffers disk i/o speed...it'll cripple me
L279[05:44:54] <Charlotte> never heard of polipo...
L280[05:45:00] <Charlotte> used squid at work....last year
L281[05:45:24] <Izaya> lightweight http cache
L282[05:45:34] <Izaya> I run like 3 instances
L283[05:45:39] <Izaya> one for each proxy and one plain one
L284[05:45:52] <Skye> can it do HTTPS?
L285[05:45:57] <Izaya> ofc
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L287[05:46:57] <Charlotte> buttt disk will take a hit
L288[05:47:10] <Skye> you HDD is faster than your internet
L289[05:47:13] <Charlotte> unless i put its disk on the 32gb sd card i have
L290[05:47:15] <Charlotte> erm
L291[05:47:17] <Charlotte> tbh
L292[05:47:29] <Charlotte> im not 100% sure on that one lol
L293[05:47:55] <Charlotte> downloaded elevator challenge, loaded from disk
L294[05:48:08] <Charlotte> took longer than a hard reset on the online version
L295[05:48:21] <Charlotte> http://play.elevatorsaga.com/
L296[05:48:30] <Charlotte> cloned from github
L297[05:48:54] <Charlotte> disk was certainly slower than getting it from the web...although maybe some caching happened somewhere between..
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L302[05:56:54] <Charlotte> disk speed test....1.3mb/s...now that sounds wrong
L303[05:58:18] <Charlotte> http://hastebin.com/unumafavin.rb
L304[06:06:48] * Lizzy groans
L305[06:06:51] <Lizzy> Morning, i guess
L306[06:08:07] <Forecaster> a morning to you too
L307[06:08:40] <Izaya> Skye: the thing I will agree with
L308[06:08:42] <Izaya> is that I'm evil
L309[06:08:58] <Charlotte> hey Lizzy :3
L310[06:09:02] <Lizzy> hai
L311[06:10:14] <Izaya> like I mean it could end well
L312[06:10:19] <Izaya> but I sorta doubt it will
L313[06:10:25] <Izaya> and I'm just making it happen a little faster
L314[06:16:41] <Charlotte> earthquake in nz
L315[06:17:09] <Charlotte> loads of places with power and internet outage
L316[06:19:32] <Charlotte> https://www.geonet.org.nz/
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L321[06:51:46] <Charlotte> ah Skye http://hastebin.com/wugibiwete.pas hdparm results
L322[06:54:47] <Izaya> Charlotte: https://i.imgur.com/97CVXI3.jpg left or right?
L323[06:55:14] <Charlotte> left
L324[06:55:25] <Charlotte> that is a hot cityscape <#
L325[06:55:27] <Charlotte> <3
L326[06:56:14] <Izaya> everyone seems to go left
L327[06:56:31] <Mettaton_Fab> right.
L328[06:58:01] <Charlotte> hmm gnuwin32 vs mingw vs cygwin ?
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L330[07:00:48] <Izaya> also options: https://i.imgur.com/Zht0hF5.png and https://my.mixtape.moe/xpwbsr.png
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L332[07:02:19] <Charlotte> lol that is not an option Izaya
L333[07:02:21] <Charlotte> xD
L334[07:02:29] <Izaya> which?
L335[07:02:40] <Charlotte> the first one
L336[07:02:44] <Charlotte> is not an option
L337[07:02:48] <Charlotte> second 1000%
L338[07:02:55] <Charlotte> FUCKING FLY its night time
L339[07:02:56] <Izaya> I like the first one
L340[07:02:57] <Charlotte> go to sleep
L341[07:03:00] <Charlotte> D:
L342[07:03:54] <Charlotte> i hope thats a bad joke
L343[07:03:55] <Charlotte> xD
L344[07:05:28] <Forecaster> Dried apple!
L345[07:17:05] <Charlotte> NZ tsunami warning
L346[07:19:04] <ade129> I really should switch my phone to a dark theme as much as possible
L347[07:23:01] <Charlotte> dark themes ruleeee
L348[07:23:41] <ade129> Ä°s stylish (user CSS styles thing) a thing on mobile
L349[07:24:03] <Forecaster> for browsers maybe
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L352[07:55:14] <Izaya> ade129: not really
L353[07:55:47] <Izaya> cyanogenmod has an amount of theming support but if you try to force themes on a lot of stuff it breaks it because android devs suck
L354[07:56:43] <Izaya> Charlotte: my phone shows the first one when it boots, why wouldn't it be an option?
L355[07:57:50] <ade129> I feel like going google free, shall I
L356[07:58:17] <Izaya> I haven't had any issues with it
L357[07:58:23] <Izaya> aside from lacking Ingress anyway
L358[07:58:34] <ade129> I need a Chinese input method, and all of them are shit
L359[07:58:41] <ade129> (The open source ones)
L360[07:58:58] <Izaya> so grab the one you want from google play?
L361[07:59:13] <Izaya> you can get the apk without having GPS installed
L362[07:59:19] <ade129> The problem is I want the Google Cantonese IME
L363[07:59:56] <ade129> I can live with CEDIME but the lack of zx-codes for punctuation is irritating
L364[08:00:38] <Izaya> AOSP one not good enough?
L365[08:00:54] <ade129> No AOSP one
L366[08:01:20] <Izaya> ... really?
L367[08:02:05] <Izaya> ... well, not in the default keyboard anyway
L368[08:02:19] * Izaya is using dvorak Hacker's Keyboard because why not
L369[08:02:31] <ade129> My preferred input method is quite a niche market now actually (since lazy people and the younger generation don't want to learn it)
L370[08:03:06] <ade129> (Yes, you actually have to learn how to use input methods because... Chinese is a mess I guess?)
L371[08:03:27] <Charlotte> Izaya: because the second one rocks
L372[08:03:48] <Izaya> Charlotte: but I used that for like 6 months >.>
L373[08:03:58] <Charlotte> isnt it default....
L374[08:04:05] <Charlotte> just looks ugly too.
L375[08:04:31] <Izaya> I was thinking the first one could use more black and blue
L376[08:04:35] <Izaya> but anyway
L377[08:05:15] <Izaya> Charlotte: unrelated but have you ever played don't take it personally babe it just ain't your story?
L378[08:05:52] <Lizzy> ffs
L379[08:06:12] * Izaya hands Lizzy a fire extinguisher
L380[08:06:24] <Lizzy> why the fuck does chrome[ium] decide to open on a different fucking workspace than what i'm currently on
L381[08:07:11] <Lizzy> well
L382[08:07:28] <Lizzy> chromium does anyway, chrome stable seems to behave
L383[08:07:31] <ade129> Y u no yus firefokks
L384[08:07:50] <Charlotte> i have no idea what you are on about Izaya :p
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L386[08:08:21] <Lizzy> @ade129 I use FF, I just don't feel like going to get Flash player for one site
L387[08:08:40] <Lizzy> well, i use FF on my laptop anyway
L388[08:08:42] * Izaya adds "Christine Love" to the Charlotte list
L389[08:08:57] <ade129> Wait, I might have found a semi-decent open source Chinese input method... Horrid UI though, although IIRC it does have a dark theme
L390[08:09:33] <Charlotte> the charlotte list?
L391[08:09:59] <Izaya> includes things such as "S10e" and "Debian DVDs"
L392[08:11:46] <ade129> I use DVD-RWs for most of my distro-messing
L393[08:12:54] <Forecaster> http://starslip.chainsawsuit.com/starslip/starslip-number-3/
L394[08:12:58] <Forecaster> ah, classic sci-fi
L395[08:14:54] <Charlotte> ahh
L396[08:15:02] <Charlotte> ohhhh erm
L397[08:15:16] <Charlotte> what is a decent windows screenshot tool (3rd party)
L398[08:15:32] <Forecaster> dropbox?
L399[08:15:33] <Charlotte> feature i'd like is upload from moment of taking
L400[08:15:39] <Forecaster> dropbox
L401[08:15:47] <Izaya> nah
L402[08:15:50] <Izaya> Greenshot is nice
L403[08:15:56] <Lizzy> ShareX is nice
L404[08:16:02] <Charlotte> ty thhats the one i was thinking of
L405[08:16:04] <Charlotte> greenshot
L406[08:16:06] <Izaya> no pomf upload but it can do imgur and it's open source
L407[08:20:04] <Charlotte> pomf sounds the way
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L409[08:20:51] <Charlotte> what a weird fix,,, http://superuser.com/questions/100249/how-to-pin-either-a-shortcut-or-a-batch-file-to-the-new-windows-7-8-and-10-task
L410[08:21:58] <ade129> >pomf
L411[08:21:58] <ade129> One time I used pomf in school... Don't worry I hid the bottom right corner
L412[08:29:36] <Forecaster> bottom right corner?
L413[08:31:17] * gamax92 shrugs
L414[08:44:49] <Charlotte> 'ty Lizzy i got sharex
L415[08:45:01] <Lizzy> coolio
L416[08:47:11] <Saphire> rawr!
L417[08:47:32] <Inari> ShareX is the best
L418[08:48:22] <Izaya> the amount phones heat up is worrying
L419[08:48:28] <Izaya> anyway
L420[08:48:29] <Saphire> Inari: win only :c
L421[08:48:32] <Izaya> sleep
L422[08:49:03] <Izaya> nobody die while I'm gone
L423[08:49:09] <Izaya> I want to laugh as you do it
L424[08:49:13] <Izaya> o/
L425[08:49:28] <Forecaster> at least you don't have a galaxy 7 :P
L426[08:51:12] * Lizzy pets Saphire
L427[08:55:09] * Saphire chirps and noses Lizzy!
L428[08:56:53] * Charlotte nuzzles Saphire
L429[08:57:00] * Saphire squeaks
L430[09:02:21] <techno156> The S7 is fine, it's the Note 7 that gets particularly toasty, iirc :P
L431[09:03:56] <Charlotte> Hey guys i have a magic trick for you https://twitter.com/vKehz/status/797561791098265600/video/1
L432[09:04:42] <Forecaster> oh boy
L433[09:04:53] <Charlotte> hehe
L434[09:06:22] <Charlotte> also quassel sucks balls
L435[09:06:28] <Charlotte> theming for it just broke
L436[09:06:40] <Charlotte> wont change at all... after a reboot
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L442[09:25:09] <Mettaton_Fab> i just put all my SATA hdds into my desktop pc.
L443[09:25:25] <Mettaton_Fab> and i can only run 2 at the same time.
L444[09:25:58] <Charlotte> LOL http://208.88.181.85
L445[09:26:05] <Charlotte> adult friend finder has issues....
L446[09:26:11] <Charlotte> errors publicly accessable
L447[09:26:51] <Forecaster> uh
L448[09:27:25] <Charlotte> sfw
L449[09:27:58] <Lizzy> Mettaton_Fab, eh?
L450[09:28:01] <Forecaster> dem errors
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L452[09:33:50] * Lizzy is currently trying to see how she can add the online users widget back to the forums
L453[09:36:02] <Lizzy> OH
L454[09:36:06] <Lizzy> just found it
L455[09:46:42] <Inari> got a love like a hurricane!
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L457[09:49:49] <payonel> Vexatos: i had to log off and go to bed - you told me to "refresh gradle project" in the gradle submenu -- i cannot find either of these things. im using idea 2016.2.5 with gradle enabled
L458[09:50:27] <payonel> Mettaton_Fab: sounds like insufficient watts
L459[09:50:46] <Inari> "[16:45:33] <Inari> Also why do we have three jorus
L460[09:50:47] <Inari> [16:46:12] <joru666> cause i don't want to miss conversation even if some of my IRC clients disconnect" heh
L461[09:50:55] <Jomik> payonel: What's the issue? If it's refreshing gradle, there should be two arrows in a circle pointing at eachother's behinds :)
L462[09:51:37] <payonel> Jomik: my core issue is that when i run "client" [forge mc] i get "ClassNotFoundException: GradleStart"
L463[09:54:39] <Jomik> Uhhh. I had that once, long ago... You ran setupDecompWorkspace through IntelliJ? Also, dunno if this is relevant: http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=21354.msg197323#msg197323
L464[09:55:14] <payonel> no i ran 'setupDecompWorkspace' from command line, like instructed
L465[09:55:19] <payonel> but i'll read your link
L466[09:55:37] <Jomik> Oooh, fancy. Did you click the refresh button in the gradle sidebar afterwards?
L467[09:56:04] <Jomik> Well, I should shush, since someone seemed to be in on helping you anyway. ^^
L468[09:56:23] * payonel throws candy at Jomik
L469[09:56:30] <payonel> don't run :)
L470[09:56:42] <payonel> where is this gradle sidebar?
L471[09:56:53] <Jomik> Off memory: View > Tool Windows > Gradle
L472[09:57:06] <payonel> woah
L473[09:57:11] <payonel> look at all those gradle options
L474[09:57:15] <payonel> ok, cool
L475[09:57:31] <payonel> apparently my default schema wasn't as helpful as it could have been
L476[09:57:34] <Jomik> Vexatos: What's the requirements for joining in on this "OpenPrograms" company you guys got going? :)
L477[09:57:41] <Jomik> Haha :D
L478[09:58:13] <payonel> Jomik: basically (to join oppm) you just ask nicely and he may have your provide a projects.json for review for starters
L479[09:58:23] <payonel> ask him+
L480[09:58:32] <payonel> which you just did, essentially
L481[09:59:05] <Inari> Forecaster: Bought the $3 ticket thingy to have the game scaled to window
L482[09:59:31] <payonel> Inari: o/
L483[09:59:35] <Inari> payonel: Ohi
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L485[09:59:51] <payonel> i'm trying to see if i can jump into scala and forge work :/
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L488[09:59:59] <Inari> Woops
L489[10:00:03] <payonel> Inari: ^.^
L490[10:00:05] <payonel> welcome back
L491[10:00:20] <payonel> sent as you left: "i'm trying to see if i can jump into scala and forge work :/"
L492[10:00:28] <Inari> Yeah I got that haha
L493[10:00:36] <payonel> s/.*//
L494[10:00:36] <Inari> scala is pretty neat
L495[10:00:42] <Inari> Though apparently not neat enough
L496[10:00:50] <Jomik> Never looked into scala :o
L497[10:00:56] <gamax92> oh hey it's Inari
L498[10:01:21] <Inari> O hey its gamax
L499[10:01:28] * Inari swishes a tail at gamax
L500[10:01:51] * gamax92 pets :3
L501[10:02:23] * Inari puts it on gamax head and walks away
L502[10:03:01] <gamax92> payonel: did the gradlew build go okay?
L503[10:04:40] <payonel> gamax92: it finished setup and build successfully but i can't run the client from eclipse, needs GradleStart
L504[10:04:50] <payonel> but the build successfully builds the jar, which is sufficient
L505[10:04:59] <payonel> i just wanted to see what it was like to run from the ide
L506[10:05:00] <Jomik> Eclipse? :o
L507[10:05:05] <payonel> oh i meant idea
L508[10:05:09] <payonel> sorry
L509[10:05:10] <Jomik> Oh
L510[10:05:15] <Jomik> I thought my mind was playing tricks on me. Lol XD
L511[10:05:34] <payonel> i've never used either
L512[10:05:37] <gamax92> payonel: oh I've never ran it from the ide, plenty of things that can go wrong from experience
L513[10:05:38] <Jomik> It still gives you the ClassNotFound?
L514[10:05:50] <gamax92> things that break from there that don't in mc, or vice versa
L515[10:05:54] <payonel> but people in my career have used eclipse over the years, never worked even indirectly with idea
L516[10:06:14] <Jomik> payonel: I am too lazy to having to update my oppm.cfg on the computer each time I add a project. Would rather just do it on the programs.cfg in the git repo. Since it runs through all those damn git repos anyway!
L517[10:06:17] <payonel> gamax92: well good to know
L518[10:06:49] <payonel> Jomik: exactly - vex would be happy to add you, just gotta wait for him to be around again
L519[10:06:57] <Forecaster> Inari: I didn't know that was a thing
L520[10:07:04] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/mrockxq - slightly nsfw
L521[10:07:13] <gamax92> payonel: http://i.imgur.com/liB9mGt.png
L522[10:07:22] <Inari> Forecaster: I didnt either
L523[10:07:26] <Inari> also fail, girl moved her head
L524[10:07:42] <Forecaster> still pretty impressive
L525[10:07:54] <Forecaster> also moved more than her head :P
L526[10:09:59] <Inari> Forecaster: :p
L527[10:10:27] <Inari> Forecaster: blue one or the other?
L528[10:10:35] <Forecaster> blue one
L529[10:10:38] <Inari> Ah
L530[10:10:42] <Inari> the other moves her head slgihtly
L531[10:11:04] <Forecaster> yeah but I didn't even notice that first watch
L532[10:11:06] <Inari> That one: http://akari.in/pinky_Bx5uM
L533[10:12:09] <payonel> Jomik: i can't find where to set the classpath as you suggested
L534[10:12:36] <Inari> payonel: http://imgur.com/gallery/IrogL
L535[10:12:38] <Jomik> Run > Edit Configurations
L536[10:12:39] <Jomik> I think
L537[10:13:08] <payonel> Inari: ha
L538[10:13:43] <gamax92> Inari: http://imgur.com/a/MYUaX
L539[10:13:57] <Forecaster> hah
L540[10:13:58] <Inari> gamax92: seen it :P
L541[10:14:01] <payonel> hmm, you are right (jomik) but the forge modules are not listed, only the opencomputer ones
L542[10:14:14] <Inari> gamax92: He somehow got a lot fatter before he fried though
L543[10:14:16] <Inari> and got tied up
L544[10:14:20] <gamax92> and the floor changed
L545[10:14:27] <Inari> Yeah
L546[10:16:23] <payonel> Jomik: http://i.imgur.com/f8ZQhmP.png
L547[10:18:53] <Jomik> That is odd... I actually don't know.. Been a bit long since I developed anything for forge. Seems like it wasn't added properly as a library though..?
L548[10:19:10] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/3AUwq lmao
L549[10:19:33] <Inari> payonel: What did you use to setup teh workspace
L550[10:19:52] <Jomik> Lol Inari
L551[10:20:27] <payonel> ./gradlew setupDecompWorkspace; and then imported the gradle project in idea (vex said idea was better at it than running ./gradelw idea)
L552[10:20:40] <Jomik> Waaat is this... oppm has a vector library already, actually it has 2. And I can't get mine to be installed :D
L553[10:20:51] <Jomik> payonel: Yeah, I remember doing it like that as well.
L554[10:20:59] <Jomik> Though, I believe I ran setupDecompWorkspace in IDEA... :D
L555[10:21:49] <payonel> why does every step take 30-60 minutes?!
L556[10:22:08] <payonel> so i started the refresh gradle about 20 minutes ago
L557[10:22:43] <payonel> and last night running setupDecompWorkspace took a very long time
L558[10:22:44] <Jomik> That sounds weird also :D
L559[10:22:44] <Inari> payonel: http://akari.in/pinky_qHbA0 ?
L560[10:22:53] <Jomik> Are you on a toaster payonel ?
L561[10:23:07] <Inari> toastonel
L562[10:23:22] <payonel> nah, this machine is pretty decent
L563[10:23:36] <payonel> and there is no 'activity' or load on resources to justify the length of time
L564[10:24:01] <Inari> forge src should be an external lib, not a module
L565[10:24:08] <Jomik> Should take like... 5 minutes max.
L566[10:24:25] <payonel> i'm running jdk 1.8.0_112
L567[10:24:27] <payonel> is that a problem?
L568[10:25:17] <Jomik> I was using jdk 1.8 something something when I was developing too,, so no.
L569[10:25:18] <Jomik> Shouldn't be.
L570[10:25:25] <Jomik> What "guide" did you follow?
L571[10:25:27] <payonel> Inari: yes, i see 'forgeSrc-1.7.10-10.13.4.1448-1.7.10.jar' as an external lib
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L574[10:25:37] <Inari> payonel: Yeah
L575[10:25:38] <Jomik> Oh, we're doing 1.7.10 development?
L576[10:25:40] <Inari> so whats the issue :D
L577[10:25:43] <payonel> Jomik: just the few steps in sangar's readme.md
L578[10:25:58] <payonel> Jomik: just trying to get something running
L579[10:26:10] <payonel> but technically yes, all the work i do with be first in 1.7.10 and ported up
L580[10:26:20] <payonel> until 'some future date'
L581[10:26:32] <Inari> so what stops you from compiling and running
L582[10:26:35] <payonel> unless the bug/feature is specifically targetted for later
L583[10:26:40] <Jomik> Why would you do that? :D Go 1.10!
L584[10:26:46] <payonel> Inari: i just wanted to enjoy debugging from idea
L585[10:26:55] <gamax92> Jomik: because 1.7.10 is still oc's base
L586[10:27:01] <Jomik> Oh.
L587[10:27:04] <Inari> payonel: I'm not sure what stops you from that
L588[10:27:05] <gamax92> and stuff in there will get ported up to the other versions
L589[10:27:06] <payonel> Jomik: because for now, 1.7.10 is still oc's default master
L590[10:27:15] <Jomik> Good point.
L591[10:27:20] <Forecaster> \o/
L592[10:27:38] * Forecaster still wants updates in his 1.7 letsplay
L593[10:27:39] <Forecaster> :>
L594[10:27:40] <Mettaton_Fab> oi.
L595[10:27:43] <gamax92> no
L596[10:27:47] <gamax92> shush
L597[10:27:47] <payonel> Inari: when i run the "client" configuration, i get Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: GradleStart
L598[10:27:57] <Jomik> payonel: To be a pain in the ass.. You could try this on a fresh project: http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=21354.0
L599[10:28:05] <Jomik> That's what I did, and it worked seamlessly
L600[10:28:19] <payonel> Jomik: sure, and i'm about to kill the running refresh, backup my dir, and restart fresh from oc anyways
L601[10:28:45] <Inari> I recall getting it runing the frist time was kind of apain
L602[10:28:46] <Jomik> ^^
L603[10:28:49] <Inari> with some repos being down anda ll
L604[10:29:51] <Jomik> Obviously, just clone the repo instead of downloading the forge src. But you probably want "idea { module { inheritOutputDirs = true } }"
L605[10:30:16] <payonel> what do you mean by that second part?
L606[10:30:28] <Inari> The repo should have all you need
L607[10:30:32] <payonel> where do i specify that and at what step? or.. when i followyour link will that be obvious?
L608[10:30:41] <Inari> you can try genIntelliJRuns or so
L609[10:31:02] <Inari> getIntellijRuns apparently
L610[10:31:05] <Inari> (gradle task)
L611[10:31:05] <Jomik> Inari: +1
L612[10:31:16] <Jomik> payonel: Yes.
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L614[10:31:40] <payonel> this, btw, is what idea tries to run when i "Run" the client config
L615[10:31:43] <payonel> http://hastebin.com/etecapuros.tex
L616[10:32:25] <payonel> Inari: i dont see that task in my gradle sidebar list of tasks
L617[10:32:31] <Inari> You can also manually point it at the right module I think
L618[10:33:04] <Inari> payonel: Did you make a project and import gradle, or have gradle generate the project file? Not sure if that matters
L619[10:33:14] <payonel> Inari: in Run->Edit Configurations ?
L620[10:33:34] <Inari> Yeah
L621[10:33:49] <payonel> all i had available was: http://i.imgur.com/f8ZQhmP.png
L622[10:34:01] <Inari> tried Opencomputers and opencomputers mian? xD
L623[10:34:10] <payonel> i'll try main
L624[10:34:18] <Forecaster> opencomputers nyan
L625[10:34:25] <Inari> HAha
L626[10:34:42] <payonel> woah...this might be working
L627[10:34:51] <payonel> "Select an mcp conf dir for the deob.."
L628[10:34:53] <payonel> :D fun
L629[10:35:01] <Inari> o.o
L630[10:35:10] <Inari> Never had that
L631[10:35:20] <Inari> How did you make the project even D:
L632[10:35:42] <Inari> ./gradlew clean setupDecompWorkspace idea
L633[10:35:54] <payonel> if i do that, i'll be sitting here for about 2 hours waitting
L634[10:36:03] <payonel> but...perhaps at this point i should just start over anyways
L635[10:36:40] * payonel backs up work thus far and starts over
L636[10:36:49] <Inari> Thenjust opent he proejct file that generates, and import the gradle project when it asks you to
L637[10:37:19] <Charlotte> what the f is gradle
L638[10:37:27] <Charlotte> i keep seeing it places and have no idea
L639[10:37:31] <Forecaster> java build system
L640[10:37:58] <Inari> Can someone explain the theft system of skyrim to me :| Whys it not theft to take random crpos from a famr
L641[10:38:10] <Forecaster> because they're poor
L642[10:38:18] <Charlotte> LOL
L643[10:38:21] <Charlotte> oh damnnn'
L644[10:38:31] <Forecaster> they can't afford fancy magic alarm systems
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L646[10:39:43] <Inari> Forecaster: They're lookign right at me
L647[10:39:55] <Inari> plus they sense I steal something from 50m away sometimes if its marked as "Stealing"
L648[10:40:04] <Forecaster> magic
L649[10:40:07] <payonel> btw, Jomik, gamax92, Inari, and Vexatos -- i very much appreciate your help
L650[10:40:25] <Inari> Vexatoast
L651[10:40:30] <Forecaster> but now you have to kill them all to hide the evidence?
L652[10:40:31] <Inari> Toastonal
L653[10:40:38] <Inari> Inarizushi'o'toast
L654[10:40:43] <payonel> payoast
L655[10:40:48] <Inari> :P
L656[10:41:06] <Inari> Now I feel like fake beer :|
L657[10:41:23] <Mettaton_Fab> Öttinger?
L658[10:41:29] <Forecaster> you probably wouldn't be a very good beer substitute to be fair
L659[10:41:34] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: Karamalz
L660[10:41:46] <Mettaton_Fab> Köllsch?
L661[10:41:49] <payonel> Inari: running `./gradlew clean setupDecompWorkspace idea` now in a clean repo clone of oc
L662[10:41:50] <Inari> Karamalz :|
L663[10:42:08] <Mettaton_Fab> Köllsch is much like water.
L664[10:42:37] <Forecaster> so it's wet
L665[10:42:39] <Inari> The odd thing about karamalz is it tasted good
L666[10:42:46] <Inari> but put it in a glass and it smellsl ike crap
L667[10:43:21] <Mettaton_Fab> Karamalz is confusing.
L668[10:43:34] <Mettaton_Fab> how about Gampert-Bräu?
L669[10:43:41] * Inari shrugs
L670[10:43:46] <Inari> don't know any of those names
L671[10:44:55] <Mettaton_Fab> Inari, its beer.
L672[10:45:06] <Inari> non-alcoholic malt beer?
L673[10:45:20] <Mettaton_Fab> also, Crytek once was in Coburg!
L674[10:45:39] <Mettaton_Fab> no, it has about 4.9%
L675[10:46:15] <Inari> Also I think I'm adding a mod that asks me if I really want to steal something :P
L676[10:48:02] <Forecaster> a magic, anti-stealing magic detection system
L677[10:48:35] <Inari> Just annoying when I try to talk to the salesperson but the game decides "No, you're clearyl pointing at this item *Steals*"
L678[10:48:35] <Charlotte> im off to bed
L679[10:48:37] <Charlotte> nini
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L681[10:54:37] * gamax92 points at Inari
L682[10:57:37] * vifino points somewhere but nothing in particular
L683[10:58:15] * gamax92 pets vifino
L684[10:58:40] <vifino> </me purrs
L685[10:58:42] <vifino> q_q
L686[10:58:48] * vifino purrs, correctly this time
L687[11:02:53] * Lizzy snuggles vifino
L688[11:06:32] <vifino> what the fuck irssi why do i not get pinged by vifino
L689[11:06:42] <vifino> stupid fucking piece of shit
L690[11:07:47] <Lizzy> lol
L691[11:11:45] <Inari> Oh look
L692[11:11:48] <Inari> vifino is vifino again
L693[11:12:23] <Forecaster> but if vifino really vifino, or is vifino a different vifino than the original vifino?
L694[11:13:28] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6EtvSvQp4s ~
L695[11:13:28] <MichiBot> The Stellar Compendium | length: 40m 31s | Likes: 666 Dislikes: 2 Views: 8,929 | by Isaac Arthur | Published On 10/11/2016
L696[11:13:48] * Lizzy licks vifino
L697[11:13:55] <Lizzy> Can confirm, this is the original
L698[11:14:27] <Forecaster> well, it could also be a philosphical question :P
L699[11:14:36] <Forecaster> not necessarily if he's a cylon
L700[11:16:22] <vifino> you lacked an is in your sentence, Forecaster.
L701[11:16:28] <vifino> -1 english points.
L702[11:16:43] <gamax92> +1 engrish
L703[11:17:32] <vifino> now, if you'll excuse me, i have to convert the bathroom i use for 3D printing into a bathroom for 3D printing and server hosting
L704[11:17:36] <Forecaster> it was there, it was just disguised as an "if"
L705[11:18:13] <vifino> probably gonna put a switch and stuff on the toilet, because yes.
L706[11:18:24] <Lizzy> s/on/in
L707[11:18:24] <MichiBot> <vifino> probably ginna put a switch and stuff on the toilet, because yes.
L708[11:18:28] <Lizzy> fak
L709[11:18:36] <Lizzy> s/ on/ in
L710[11:18:36] <MichiBot> <vifino> probably ginna put a switch and stuff in the toilet, because yes.
L711[11:18:39] <Lizzy> \o/
L712[11:18:39] <Forecaster> xD
L713[11:20:17] <gamax92> s/D/(/
L714[11:20:17] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> x(
L715[11:20:29] <Forecaster> ohno
L716[11:21:53] <Lizzy> goddammit i got some potato on my laptop
L717[11:22:11] <Forecaster> at least there isn't potato *in* the laptop
L718[11:22:12] <gamax92> eat it
L719[11:22:37] <gamax92> not the potato, the laptop
L720[11:22:45] * Lizzy throws potatoes at Forecaster
L721[11:22:47] <Lizzy> gamax92, too late
L722[11:22:55] <gamax92> oh
L723[11:23:11] * Forecaster attempts to dodge the potatoes
L724[11:23:43] <Forecaster> sigh, I wanted to play E:D today but the game wont start
L725[11:23:44] <Forecaster> >:
L726[11:24:06] <Jomik> Lol... I am now thinking about making my own package manager... xD @Payonel
L727[11:24:34] <gamax92> oppm isn't great
L728[11:24:44] <gamax92> but it's all we have, unless you're Magik6k or Russian
L729[11:24:48] <Jomik> Forecaster: E?
L730[11:24:55] <Jomik> Magik6k?
L731[11:25:08] <Forecaster> Life?!
L732[11:25:29] <Forecaster> and I said E:D
L733[11:25:31] <Forecaster> not E
L734[11:25:34] <Forecaster> :|
L735[11:25:35] <Jomik> gamax92: Oh, you mean the mpt thing?
L736[11:25:46] <gamax92> yeah, that mpt thing only Magik6k uses :P
L737[11:25:55] <Lizzy> Forecaster, it knew that i couldn't play it that well so it didn't let you launch it :P
L738[11:26:08] <Forecaster> >:
L739[11:26:08] <gamax92> Eternal:Destruction
L740[11:26:12] <Forecaster> but it worked yesterday
L741[11:26:13] <Forecaster> D:
L742[11:27:00] <Jomik> gamax92: Ooooh, I see, he built a frontend for oppm? XD
L743[11:27:23] <gamax92> nope
L744[11:27:30] <gamax92> atleast I don't think it's oppm compatible
L745[11:28:03] <Magik6k> heh
L746[11:28:13] <Magik6k> b..b.. but it's kinda good
L747[11:28:27] <Magik6k> And mpt is oppm compatible
L748[11:28:30] <gamax92> oh okay
L749[11:28:49] <Magik6k> you just have to do mpt -Sy to update oppm database
L750[11:29:15] <gamax92> perhaps we should burn oppm and ship mpt with oc
L751[11:29:26] <Magik6k> And it uses own package database so you can't have oppm+mpt on one computer
L752[11:29:37] <gamax92> Magik6k: but you use oppm to install mpt.
L753[11:29:40] <Jomik> XD
L754[11:29:47] <Jomik> And then you use oppm to uninstall oppm
L755[11:29:53] <Vexatos> <payonel> why does every step take 30-60 minutes?!
L756[11:29:56] <Jomik> and then you install mpt with mpt afterwards
L757[11:29:57] <Vexatos> that's a thing with OC
L758[11:30:01] <Vexatos> Especially the 1.7.10 branch
L759[11:30:11] <Jomik> Vexatos: OpenPrograms yay
L760[11:30:14] <gamax92> yeah for some reason OC takes a few years to do any step the first time
L761[11:30:16] <Magik6k> It downloads mpt with database that has mpt in it so it knows how to update itself
L762[11:30:17] <Vexatos> Jomik, I have been pinged?
L763[11:30:34] <Vexatos> God dammit, I spend two hours watching a movie and this is what happens
L764[11:30:40] <gamax92> but once you've got it in gradle cache then things should go happy
L765[11:30:48] <Vexatos> <payonel> Vexatos: i had to log off and go to bed - you told me to "refresh gradle project" in the gradle submenu -- i cannot find either of these things. im using idea 2016.2.5 with gradle enabled
L766[11:30:49] <Jomik> I wanted to be added to the OpenPrograms company so I don't have to update my oppm.cfg on the computers :D
L767[11:30:51] <Vexatos> right side of the screen
L768[11:30:54] <Vexatos> gradle submenu
L769[11:31:48] <Magik6k> ^ this assumes importing project via 'import project' and not opening one generated from gradle
L770[11:32:33] <Vexatos> Yes exactly
L771[11:32:48] <Vexatos> IDEA has become much better than gradle since IDEA 16
L772[11:32:55] <Vexatos> Jomik, sure
L773[11:32:59] <Vexatos> ~w oppm
L774[11:32:59] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/tutorial:program:oppm
L775[11:33:06] <Vexatos> Jomik, you read this?
L776[11:33:13] <gamax92> I prefer to just have a multimc instance with a symlink in the mods folder to gradle's build output
L777[11:33:19] <vifino> dammit, "how much weight can a toilet carry" is not yielding many results.
L778[11:33:27] <gamax92> vifino: you sit on it.
L779[11:33:32] <gamax92> so ... as much as a perso.
L780[11:33:51] <vifino> i suppose
L781[11:33:53] <Forecaster> it's probably at least 100kg
L782[11:33:57] <Forecaster> likely more
L783[11:34:05] <vifino> i can deal with that.
L784[11:34:09] <Jomik> Vexatos: Yeah.
L785[11:34:16] <vifino> so no rack servers on the toilet.
L786[11:34:20] <vifino> but switches will do.
L787[11:34:31] <Vexatos> Jomik, want to be added to OpenPrograms as well?
L788[11:34:36] <Vexatos> So you can transfer your OC program repo there?
L789[11:34:47] <Vexatos> tell me your github username then
L790[11:34:58] <vifino> ooo, my dl580 g5 is only 50kg :3
L791[11:35:01] <vifino> giggity
L792[11:35:07] <Vexatos> %tell payonel https://puu.sh/sgX3Y/849c5c9202.png
L793[11:35:07] <MichiBot> Vexatos: payonel will be notified of this message when next seen.
L794[11:35:22] <gamax92> I only understand lbs
L795[11:35:45] <Jomik> Vexatos: Yeah, please: https://github.com/Jomik/
L796[11:35:46] <Forecaster> you should learn the rest of the alphabet, it's great :P
L797[11:36:08] <Jomik> First thing I do is add a third vector library though -.-
L798[11:36:58] <gamax92> Forecaster: bsbbssbssssbsslsssb
L799[11:37:01] <Vexatos> Jomik, Jonas Damtoft?
L800[11:37:03] <Jomik> Yeah.
L801[11:37:07] <Vexatos> k
L802[11:37:22] <Vexatos> go to https://github.com/orgs/OpenPrograms and accept the invite
L803[11:37:26] <Vexatos> then go to your repo
L804[11:37:27] <Vexatos> repo settings
L805[11:37:31] <Vexatos> very bottom
L806[11:37:33] <Vexatos> "transfer"
L807[11:38:56] <Jomik> Do I select any "team"?
L808[11:39:34] <Vexatos> OpenPrograms
L809[11:39:42] <Vexatos> And do not select any team
L810[11:39:55] <Jomik> Meant after :D Yeah okay
L811[11:40:06] <Jomik> https://github.com/OpenPrograms/Jomik-Programs
L812[11:40:07] <Jomik> Hurray
L813[11:44:21] <gamax92> Inari: https://i.imgur.com/oSJKQ8V.gifv
L814[11:44:58] <Vexatos> Jomik, registered
L815[11:45:03] <Vexatos> please test in-game
L816[11:45:15] <Inari> gamax92: magic
L817[11:46:35] <Jomik> Running "oppm list libjvector" sadly gives no result :/
L818[11:46:41] <Jomik> Oh
L819[11:46:47] <Jomik> Error while trying to retrieve package.. GG
L820[11:46:54] <Jomik> Fixing..
L821[11:47:31] <payonel> Vexatos: thanks for the screenshot. that sidebar isn't visible on a fresh install of idea. jomik helped me enable it via the 'View' menu
L822[11:49:03] <payonel> Vexatos: so you recommend `./gradelw clean setupDecompWorkspace` then import the oc folder from idea, then run refresh all gradle projects?
L823[11:49:27] <payonel> also i appears i have to select OpenComputers_main in the Run->edit configuratoins for GradleStart to be found
L824[11:49:37] <Vexatos> payonel, yes
L825[11:49:46] <Vexatos> EXACTLY
L826[11:50:10] <payonel> i tried that, then it couldn't find the decomp folders and some mods failed to load
L827[11:50:28] <payonel> instead of troubleshooting, i felt my setup was a pile of crap guesses so i'm starting over
L828[11:51:16] <payonel> inari suggested i run `./gradlew clean setupDecompWorkspace idea` - i'm teting this in a freash oc clone dir, the idea step has been taking the last hour. but i believe this is the step you would have me not do, but rather use the idea import for this
L829[11:51:58] <Inari> Eh idea just makes a project file mostly
L830[11:52:08] <Inari> So not sure what your gradle is up to
L831[11:54:08] <Jomik> What are people using for unit tests in Lua?
L832[11:54:55] <gamax92> Inari: http://i.imgur.com/3eNJ4j7.gifv
L833[11:55:00] <payonel> Jomik: i made up my own junk for it
L834[11:55:10] <Vexatos> Inari, but why would you use the IDEA task
L835[11:55:15] <payonel> Jomik: i run ~1300 unit tests against openos on all updates
L836[11:55:15] <Vexatos> when you can have IDEA do it
L837[11:55:16] <gamax92> I also made up my own garbage for tests
L838[11:55:25] <Inari> Vexatos: Dunno, always worked for me :P
L839[11:55:31] <Vexatos> Jomik, disclaimer: payonel does tests for a living IRL
L840[11:55:40] <gamax92> mine are component tests, which are not as complete as payonel's and not been tested recently ...
L841[11:55:40] <Vexatos> (not in Lua though)
L842[11:55:41] <Inari> payonel is a crashd ummy?
L843[11:55:47] <gamax92> payonel: please test ocemu tests
L844[11:55:54] <gamax92> kthx <3
L845[11:55:59] <payonel> Vexatos: haha, punk
L846[11:56:11] <payonel> yes, i write tests for my feature development, it's good practice
L847[11:56:51] <payonel> also, i misuse the term "unit" in "unit tests" quite frequently, i do know the difference, i just am lazy
L848[11:57:09] <gamax92> payonel
L849[11:57:10] <gamax92> please ;-;
L850[11:57:11] <payonel> my openos tests are a mix of various types
L851[11:57:23] <gamax92> do they pass on ocemu
L852[11:57:28] <payonel> yes
L853[11:57:30] <gamax92> yay
L854[11:57:36] <Vexatos> payonel, a unit is exactly one thing, isn't it
L855[11:57:41] <payonel> i run them first in ocemu, then in game when i'm ready to release stuff
L856[11:57:42] <Vexatos> That's the very definition
L857[11:57:52] <Jomik> payonel: Sounds like my software architecture lector would like you, though he'd probably claim you were on the low end of testing.
L858[11:58:05] <Jomik> :P
L859[11:58:22] <Jomik> payonel: But! What do you use for the tests?
L860[11:58:23] <payonel> i used to teach computer science
L861[11:58:38] <Vexatos> But then (s)he got an arrow to the knee
L862[11:58:40] <payonel> maybe that's one reason why i code thatt way
L863[11:58:48] <payonel> i'm a dude :) you can call me he
L864[11:58:49] <Vexatos> payonel, teacher != lecturer
L865[11:58:54] <Inari> Unit as in Idols?
L866[11:59:00] <Vexatos> Does your name happen to be Nel? D:
L867[11:59:15] <gamax92> Bob
L868[11:59:54] <Jomik> payonel even has a staging repo before he pushes to oppm!
L869[11:59:58] <payonel> Vexatos: the university i taught at, and the one i got my degree from, didn't distinguish between professor and lecturer
L870[12:00:04] <payonel> perhaps that's regional/cultural
L871[12:00:11] <Vexatos> payonel, teacher != lecturer
L872[12:00:17] <Vexatos> teacher is for schools
L873[12:00:22] <Vexatos> lecturer is for universities
L874[12:00:32] <payonel> we've never used it that way
L875[12:01:02] <payonel> in my university (where i taughtt, and where i got my degree) we never used the term lecturer
L876[12:01:22] <payonel> again, this could be regional usage of english
L877[12:01:25] <Jomik> Well, we have instructors, that teach in "classes", and then we have lecturers, that may or may not be a professor, that talk in auditoriums..
L878[12:01:37] <Vexatos> Exactly.
L879[12:01:41] <Vexatos> That's how it is over here
L880[12:02:00] <Jomik> payonel: I love your recommended system specs for SecureOS :D "The best you can get" basically.
L881[12:02:21] <payonel> Jomik: secureos isn't mine, btw
L882[12:03:20] <Jomik> Oh.
L883[12:03:27] <Jomik> You're right
L884[12:03:30] <Jomik> that's shuudoshi
L885[12:03:35] <gamax92> Shoe
L886[12:03:48] <Jomik> Mehh, I'm sick -.-
L887[12:03:51] <Jomik> The winter cold thing.
L888[12:04:07] <gamax92> Shuudoushi is correct but Shoe is better ;p
L889[12:04:20] <20kdc> why on earth does security need such large specs...
L890[12:04:32] <payonel> Vexatos: in my experience, we say "instructor" for classes, and "professor" to be polite. but teacher works as well, and lecturer is only a temporary title to refer to a person giving the lecture -- but not as a job title or position title, but simply for a specific lecture event
L891[12:04:42] <Jomik> This looks pretty good : http://olivinelabs.com/busted/
L892[12:04:43] <gamax92> secureos is based off of pre payonel openos
L893[12:04:49] <gamax92> so, it's very less optimized
L894[12:05:25] <Jomik> lecturer here is the one giving the lecture, yeah. Which is usually the same guy :P And professor is a title you have to earn (gives you more money too!)
L895[12:05:57] <20kdc> gamax92: *Worse* than current OpenOS? My goodness... it's doomed.
L896[12:06:05] <gamax92> Shuudoushi hasn't said anything for 5 months ...
L897[12:06:19] <payonel> 20kdc: :P
L898[12:06:50] <Lizzy> %tell Sangar *stab*
L899[12:06:50] <MichiBot> Lizzy: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.
L900[12:06:53] <20kdc> I mean, at least OpenOS nowadays *runs* on one Tier 1 stick of RAM
L901[12:07:06] <20kdc> it's almost unusable, but it *runs*
L902[12:08:09] <20kdc> If OpenOS used to be worse than that, I imagine server administrators were going nuts at the thought of 64 computers running at once and eating all RAM
L903[12:08:22] <gamax92> well openos did bloat up before the time of payonel
L904[12:08:33] <gamax92> it used to atleast boot and install on one t1 stick of ram
L905[12:08:38] <gamax92> but then it didn't boot at all
L906[12:09:22] <Skye> payonel made miniOS obsolete. :P
L907[12:09:53] <20kdc> Skye: Arguably not. IIRC, "edit" won't come up on one T1 stick of RAM.
L908[12:10:02] <20kdc> Going to double-check that now, actually...
L909[12:10:05] <Skye> miniOS didn't have edit
L910[12:10:10] <Skye> it did have sked
L911[12:10:14] <Skye> which was made by Izaya
L912[12:10:36] <20kdc> And what was "sked" like?
L913[12:16:12] <Skye> take Vi
L914[12:16:21] <Skye> and take out the thing that makes it visual
L915[12:17:27] <gamax92> Ａｅｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ
L916[12:18:43] <Inari> Forecaster: Electronics so pricyt ;-;
L917[12:19:20] <gamax92> Inari: buy em in bulk, bit initial price but much worth
L918[12:19:32] <Vexatos> payonel, lecturer is the one doing a lecture, whatever their job is
L919[12:19:40] <Vexatos> If they happen to be a professor, they're a professor
L920[12:20:08] <gamax92> lecturers are the ones I don't listen to and just read the book at home
L921[12:20:10] <Inari> gamax92: can't :|
L922[12:20:13] <gamax92> blah blah blah -> Head ->
L923[12:20:19] <Vexatos> Also, my uni specifically has a job called "lecturer" but it's uncommon
L924[12:20:20] <Mettaton_Fab> i want many things, one of them is a synthesizer kit for 19,99
L925[12:20:21] <Jomik> gamax92: :D
L926[12:20:51] <Vexatos> gamax92, if you're studying Chemistry, that doesn't work too well in certain topics
L927[12:21:26] <gamax92> youtube and reddit is also a thing
L928[12:22:15] <Jomik> Why does it have to be such a pain to install some things on Windows... Like... cmake, gcc to install LuaDist, so that I can set up a dev environment in Windows and use my cmd...??
L929[12:22:29] <Jomik> tbh, I should just develop on my linux machine :D
L930[12:22:39] <gamax92> Jomik: msys2
L931[12:22:50] <Inari> Forecaster: I wish conveyors were upgradeable
L932[12:22:53] <Vexatos> Jomik, sudo apt install lua5.3? :>
L933[12:23:00] <Vexatos> lua53*
L934[12:23:07] <Inari> They are like the main reason I don't try to have like a whole line of plastic makers and such and then goign to the next step
L935[12:23:13] <gamax92> no is lua5.3
L936[12:23:35] <Vexatos> Oh it is
L937[12:23:47] <gamax92> arch has it without the dot iirc
L938[12:24:39] <Jomik> Vexatos: zypper in lua
L939[12:24:47] <Jomik> ^^
L940[12:25:07] <Jomik> gamax92: Oh, looking.
L941[12:25:09] <gamax92> Jomik: http://msys2.github.io/ seriously though
L942[12:25:10] <Inari> https://twitter.com/TheRealEloraam/status/797851179363536896 wow, high praise
L943[12:25:11] <MichiBot> Sun Nov 13 11:18:39 CST 2016 @TheRealEloraam: @Direwolf20 @lakksam @YouTube Well that's quite something.
L944[12:27:01] <gamax92> compiling can sometimes be meh since a lot of projects only ship with linux-gcc/clang and msvc support, and treat msys2 as linux and do linux things like filenames without .exe or dll's with .so extension
L945[12:27:16] <Jomik> pacman :o
L946[12:27:25] <Jomik> I am downloading it :)
L947[12:28:54] <gamax92> for ocemu I ended up having to patch all of the lua libraries I use with it, no big deal though
L948[12:29:39] <Jomik> Oh, wait.
L949[12:29:41] <Jomik> You made an emulator?
L950[12:29:42] <Jomik> Kewl
L951[12:29:49] <gamax92> yes
L952[12:29:58] <gamax92> makes oc not feel slow
L953[12:30:10] <gamax92> or well, makes oc in mc feel horribly slow
L954[12:30:40] <Jomik> Haha XD
L955[12:31:00] <Jomik> That may work very well for writing tests for programs :O
L956[12:31:09] <Jomik> maybe.
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L958[12:35:46] <Jomik> MSYS reminds me of the days I was on ArchLinux :D
L959[12:37:30] <gamax92> Jomik: this is what arch currently feels like for me: http://i.imgur.com/kxegrMU.jpg
L960[12:38:01] <Jomik> Hah!
L961[12:38:26] <20kdc> but to make a cake, everybody has to break eggs!
L962[12:38:31] <Lizzy> gamax92, you'll get the hang of it soon
L963[12:38:40] <Jomik> gamax92: pacman -Syu ?
L964[12:39:05] <gamax92> Lizzy: plymouth is no longer high resolution and switches to complete garbage on boot, and on another machine the mouse doesn't work unless I added in some random line to my xorg.conf
L965[12:39:32] * Lizzy shrugs
L966[12:39:48] <20kdc> Plymouth... who needs it?
L967[12:39:56] * Lizzy has no idea what it is
L968[12:40:10] <20kdc> Plymouth: name of program that does fancy bootup animations
L969[12:40:15] <Lizzy> ah
L970[12:40:23] <20kdc> in other words, useless
L971[12:40:25] <Lizzy> my laptop starts up too fast for me to even need it
L972[12:40:56] <Jomik> OpenSUSE was so easy after I got used to Arch :D
L973[12:40:56] <Lizzy> like, litterally 1 second from me pressing enter on the refind entry for arch and me being dumped at a login prompt
L974[12:41:19] <gamax92> my computer is not that fast, and plymouth is not only for animations
L975[12:41:21] <Lizzy> where the fuck is Sangar ¬_¬
L976[12:43:14] <Jomik> Lizzy: sounds like you're keeping your computer in suspend or hibernate? :P
L977[12:43:24] <Jomik> I still haven't bothered to remove the 7 second delay in grub :D
L978[12:43:27] <gamax92> could be SSD
L979[12:43:31] <Lizzy> ^
L980[12:43:37] <Lizzy> M.2 SATA SSD
L981[12:44:21] <gm|and> if plymouth isn't just for animations, they probably shoved yet another fucking web server into it
L982[12:44:40] <Lizzy> though i do keep it in suspend most of the time cause i don't feel like re-opening all the stuff (this is on my laptop, desktop has 2x1TB 7200RPM drives in a BTRFS Raid1 but i don't use arch on there all that much)
L983[12:46:38] <gamax92> I keep windows in hibernation otherwise it takes a while to start up
L984[12:47:01] <gm|and> i don't do that to linux because i have an SSD
L985[12:47:18] <gm|and> still takes 5 secs for the PSU to warm up and 10 secs for the BIOS to sort its shit out
L986[12:48:13] <gamax92> not all of use have SSDs D:<
L987[12:48:32] <Vexatos> Basically, plymouth themes do not support the new version of plymouth :>
L988[12:48:50] * CompanionCube liked some parts of opensuse tumbleweed
L989[12:49:01] <20kdc> gm|and: what do you mean "yet another fucking web server"...
L990[12:49:04] <gamax92> but linux takes half a minute to get to login and then is pretty much instantly usable at that point
L991[12:49:08] <20kdc> why would they put a web server in...
L992[12:49:16] <gm|and> @20kdc dunno, ask kay sievers
L993[12:49:22] <gamax92> so it's cool, windows takes a couple of minutes to fire up for me
L994[12:49:23] <Jomik> I give up.
L995[12:49:30] <gamax92> Jomik: why
L996[12:49:51] <gm|and> my laptop has one of those SSHD hybrids, 10 seconds to get to the xdm login from grub
L997[12:49:52] <Lizzy> my pc has a 2 second timeout on it's post before it boots to rEFInd, if i put the CD drive in it it'll take like 5 minutes to post for some fucking reason which is why my CD/DVD drive is in my server
L998[12:50:02] <gm|and> desktop has an actual SSD and takes 4 seconds to get to lightdm login
L999[12:50:12] <Jomik> There's a space in my path to "~", so the whole build file fails :D gamax92
L1000[12:50:15] <gm|and> seriously fuck gdm, lightdm is where it's at
L1001[12:50:16] <Jomik> I will develop on my laptop :D
L1002[12:50:24] <gamax92> oh yeah spaces are bad
L1003[12:50:36] * Lizzy just uses startx to launch into i3
L1004[12:50:36] <gamax92> you can do a small trick to get around that though
L1005[12:50:37] <gm|and> or xdm if you want to rip out even more RAM usage
L1006[12:50:59] <gm|and> i agree, spaces are bad
L1007[12:51:03] <gamax92> which is basically just making another folder for your home without spaces and then automatically switching to it in .bashrc
L1008[12:51:04] <gm|and> tabs for life
L1009[12:51:18] <gm|and> >folder
L1010[12:51:25] <gm|and> do you even filesystem
L1011[12:51:29] <gamax92> gm|and: do you even msys2
L1012[12:51:31] <CompanionCube> gm|and: lightm ftw
L1013[12:51:35] <CompanionCube> because xdm is just butt-ugly
L1014[12:51:50] <gm|and> you can make xdm look slightly less painful
L1015[12:52:15] <gm|and> although i'm gutted that the openbsd default does NOT involve doing `xsetroot -solid black` so you do get that horrible background
L1016[12:52:22] <Lizzy> %tell Sangar *stab 2*
L1017[12:52:22] <MichiBot> Lizzy: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.
L1018[12:52:26] <CompanionCube> gm|and: ...oh god
L1019[12:52:40] <gamax92> pixel checkerboard?
L1020[12:52:45] <gm|and> worse
L1021[12:52:49] <gm|and> it's the X11 pattern
L1022[12:53:02] <gm|and> it's a 1/4-tone pattern
L1023[12:53:03] <Jomik> I never put spaces in my folder structure... Windows does it. Lol
L1024[12:53:17] <gm|and> Pb||
L1025[12:53:18] <gm|and> ||bP
L1026[12:53:21] <gamax92> Jomik: well it's because your windows username likely has a space in it
L1027[12:53:24] <Jomik> And MSYS apparently just takes your windows username and
L1028[12:53:24] <Jomik> yeah
L1029[12:53:27] <gamax92> yep
L1030[12:53:42] <gamax92> hence when I installed windows 10 I didn't put a space
L1031[12:53:48] <gm|and> on one hand msys is open source so you can fix it
L1032[12:54:06] <gm|and> on the other hand you're using windows and it hurts to compile things on there
L1033[12:54:16] <20kdc> and... good luck compiling MSYS from within MSYS?
L1034[12:54:59] <gm|and> i've compiled gcc using gcc before
L1035[12:55:04] <gamax92> I never bothered to see if I could fix it properly, doing the switch home trick was easy enough
L1036[12:55:42] <Jomik> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_(compilers)
L1037[12:56:30] <Jomik> gamax92: How'd you switch home?
L1038[12:56:32] <Jomik> in MSYS?
L1039[12:56:38] <Jomik> I tried, and it just recreated my dir.
L1040[12:56:39] <Jomik> lol
L1041[12:57:00] <Jomik> Oh
L1042[12:57:04] <Jomik> Though, I guess I could just work in the root :p
L1043[12:58:24] <gamax92> Jomik: make a folder in msys's home/ and then at the top of your bad home's .bash_profile, add http://pastebin.com/7zFenfFq near the top, replacing the obvious
L1044[12:59:04] <gamax92> oh wait ... I don't need the first three :|
L1045[12:59:36] <Jomik> gamax92: :D
L1046[13:00:23] <Inari> 17288/tick
L1047[13:02:18] <CompanionCube> the X11 background looks like this: https://maemo.org/midcom-static/static/a/a8451e9afdb811dd80aed97025304c974c97_xephyr_empty.png
L1048[13:02:33] <gm|and> hmm, i wonder if anyone here has used fvwm as used on openbsd or something in a similar vein
L1049[13:02:43] <gm|and> it feels like a more intuitive take on the windows 3.1 interface
L1050[13:02:55] <gm|and> instead of a program manager you left click the desktop for a menu
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L1052[13:03:02] <gm|and> and you have virtual desktops
L1053[13:03:07] <gamax92> I've used fvwm in general
L1054[13:03:21] <CompanionCube> gm|and: isn't that common to multiple window managers
L1055[13:03:24] <gm|and> if you're ever doubting the windows 3.1 influence: double-click the top-left button
L1056[13:03:25] <CompanionCube> such as Openbox
L1057[13:03:34] <gamax92> gm|and: that closes it, right?
L1058[13:03:38] <gm|and> yep
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L1060[13:04:01] <gm|and> also, fun thing, double-clicking the icon at least in 9x also closes it
L1061[13:04:06] <gm|and> not many people know that these days
L1062[13:04:52] * CompanionCube doesn't usually have a desktop to left-click on
L1063[13:04:57] <gm|and> CompanionCube: left-clicking the desktop i think dates back to twm at the very least... which is going *waaaay* back
L1064[13:05:08] <CompanionCube> gm|and: I wonder if uwm had it
L1065[13:05:26] <gm|and> but yeah, instead of having to futz around with the program manager window, you just left-click. simple.
L1066[13:05:55] <Mimiru> https://www.amazon.com/48GS400649-Carrier-Furnace-Inducer-Replacement/dp/B00EZWSOWU Who wants to buy it for me? :D
L1067[13:05:59] <gm|and> oh yeah another blatantly obvious 3.1-ism: "minimising" a window just iconifies it on the desktop
L1068[13:06:24] <gm|and> ...i should totally see if i can get whatever the font is called working at some stage
L1069[13:06:38] <gm|and> iirc it had "MS" and "Sans" in it but i could be wrong
L1070[13:07:02] <gm|and> although i believe "System" was used for the title bars
L1071[13:07:41] * CompanionCube used to think that twm was the first WM. Then he found that uwm was a thing
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L1079[13:54:29] <payonel> running `./gradlew clean setupDecomWorkspace idea`: Total time: 2 hrs 54 mins 15.726 secs
L1080[13:56:17] <payonel> ok when importiing the gradle project, do i need to set gradle home to the local copy of gradle in oc's repo dir?
L1081[13:56:26] <payonel> or leave it blank? (i left it blank last time)
L1082[13:56:57] <Forecaster> it should point to the local copy I think
L1083[13:57:56] <payonel> http://i.imgur.com/EKhC1fP.png
L1084[13:58:23] <Forecaster> actually I don't think you need to set that
L1085[13:58:41] <Forecaster> I don't recall touching that myself
L1086[13:59:32] <payonel> Mimiru: furnace having issues?
L1087[14:00:56] <Inari> 19670/tick \o/
L1088[14:01:28] <Mimiru> payonel, yeah, we've not had heat for a week, finally got a chance to pull it apart today
L1089[14:01:41] <Mimiru> and yeah... draft inducer
L1090[14:02:13] <Mimiru> the fan rusted out, fins were sitting in the exhaust port, seized the motor, and burned it up
L1091[14:02:36] <payonel> sheesh
L1092[14:03:00] <payonel> i had a furnace fan shake free of one of the mounting screws (of 3)
L1093[14:03:13] <payonel> the torque pulled it free, and it spun itself into a mess of broken blades
L1094[14:03:20] <Mimiru> Oh fun
L1095[14:04:14] <payonel> but i didn't find this on my own, just noticed the "heat wasn't working". called for repair, guy came back in house within a few minutes "found the problem" :)
L1096[14:04:59] <Inari> Mimiru: But heat is so fun to have
L1097[14:05:20] * Inari puts Lizzy in heat
L1098[14:05:27] <gm|and> lewd
L1099[14:05:35] <gm|and> ...where's the bot when you need it
L1100[14:05:42] <Inari> Not in here
L1101[14:05:44] <Inari> %Inari
L1102[14:05:44] <MichiBot> http://i.imgur.com/XoYgHyi.gif
L1103[14:05:45] <payonel> LUA
L1104[14:05:45] <Inari> there you go :P
L1105[14:05:50] <payonel> :(
L1106[14:06:30] <20kdc> ...the fact that image URL is assigned to "%Inari" suggests this is something Inari uses often.
L1107[14:06:56] <Forecaster> huh, dire made a spotlight on JEI for some reason
L1108[14:07:02] <gamax92> no it just means Inari is lewd
L1109[14:07:04] <Mimiru> No, just describes Inari.
L1110[14:07:22] <Inari> It doesn't actaulyl though :<
L1111[14:07:29] <payonel> Forecaster: "for some reason"? sounds reasonable to me
L1112[14:07:39] <Inari> Or at least as far as I recall she doesn't mean it positively
L1113[14:07:39] <Inari> :P
L1114[14:07:53] <gamax92> okay then it describes how we feel about you.
L1115[14:08:14] <20kdc> ...did anybody notice the collar?
L1116[14:08:54] <Forecaster> payonel: it just means I don't know the reason :P
L1117[14:09:04] <payonel> because you dont like jei?
L1118[14:09:10] <payonel> because it's been done?
L1119[14:09:21] <Forecaster> @20kdc looks more like a choker
L1120[14:09:24] <Forecaster> payonel: what?
L1121[14:09:26] <payonel> because it is intuitive enough to not need one?
L1122[14:09:54] <20kdc> Forecaster: Does look on pretty tight. Additional note: Find anime that image is from.
L1123[14:10:08] <Forecaster> ask inari
L1124[14:10:09] <Forecaster> :P
L1125[14:11:04] <20kdc> Could prove useful insight into the source of Inari's immense power. No, we can't ask Inari, Inari will get suspicious! They'll think we intend to perform a coup and take over #oc!
L1126[14:11:30] <gamax92> it's Chiwa Harusaki from Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru
L1127[14:11:54] <20kdc> And the long title award has been won.
L1128[14:12:04] <Forecaster> payonel: I said I don't know
L1129[14:12:12] <gamax92> or Oreshura :P
L1130[14:12:18] <Forecaster> I guess it might just be to highlight it
L1131[14:12:24] <Mettaton_Fab> how about Shimoneta?
L1132[14:12:27] <Forecaster> since apparently people don't know about it
L1133[14:12:44] <Forecaster> had someone in #railcraft earlier today ask about recipes...
L1134[14:12:53] <payonel> Forecaster: i thought you were asying "for some reason" to say it was a pointless or wholly unnecessary video
L1135[14:12:59] <Forecaster> I just assume that people know about the recipe mod
L1136[14:13:03] <payonel> also, i keep double typing with this mechanical keyboard, it drives me nuts
L1137[14:13:28] <Forecaster> payonel: I told you what I meant...
L1138[14:14:13] <payonel> Forecaster: sorry, i think i added the wrong tone to your text - i understand now
L1139[14:23:08] <Inari> 20kcd: Yeah its just a normal choker/neckband (I prefer the latter term :P)
L1140[14:23:23] <Inari> https://www.google.com/search?q=belt+choker&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4ssbzx6bQAhVDuhQKHZyNBtkQ_AUICSgC&biw=1202&bih=688
L1141[14:24:45] <Inari> I think for it to be a collar it wqould need to be marked as such, or have some kind of attachment point for a leash or such (some pictures in those results have that though)
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L1144[14:45:25] <Inari> Omg
L1145[14:45:34] <Inari> I know what every character creation I've ever seen lacked
L1146[14:46:05] <Inari> ability to make the char stop moving at all, and split into two views, one frozen, and one with the changes you make, maybe even make them overlap whil eholidng a key with some transparency or fading between the two or such
L1147[14:47:24] <gamax92> Inari: ?
L1148[14:47:31] <Inari> ?
L1149[14:48:36] * gamax92 puts Inari in a tree.
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L1151[14:55:59] <Skye> Inari, what happens when you play the sims? :P
L1152[14:56:34] <Inari> Skye: ?
L1153[14:57:31] <Skye> it has a really indepth caracter creator
L1154[14:58:13] <Inari> Skye: Eh, can't say I found it that indepth
L1155[14:59:01] <Inari> And usually its more that they are too limited in their slider ranges
L1156[14:59:04] <Inari> PLus I'm terrible at sliders
L1157[14:59:37] <gm|and> are you trying to increase some sort of attraction slider past the provided maximum
L1158[15:00:13] <Inari> Nah, usually the boob or height sliders don't go below a certain minimum
L1159[15:01:18] <Skye> Inari, there are actually mods for that
L1160[15:01:23] <gm|and> gee i wonder why
L1161[15:01:33] <Inari> gm|and: ? :D
L1162[15:02:15] <gm|and> "uh yeah it's totally ok they're over 18 even though they look like they're under 9"
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L1164[15:02:37] <Inari> Nah
L1165[15:02:48] <Inari> if you're concerned with the age of polygons you already have some weird issues
L1166[15:03:39] <20kdc> in which case every rating committee ever has weird issues
L1167[15:03:41] <20kdc> oh wait
L1168[15:03:43] <20kdc> *they do*
L1169[15:04:18] <CompanionCube> not really
L1170[15:04:40] <gm|and> well yeah, the UK censorship board subjected themselves to watching paint dry
L1171[15:04:42] <CompanionCube> they're more about the violence, swearing and anything that the moral guardians dislike
L1172[15:04:50] <gm|and> >swearing
L1173[15:04:58] <gm|and> it still stumps me as to why "shit" is offensive
L1174[15:05:35] <CompanionCube> gm|and: Morality does not always intersect with good reasoning
L1175[15:05:39] <gm|and> as for moral guardians, a good response is "tourette's is a real disease and you definitely aren't helping"
L1176[15:06:05] <gm|and> a good morality should have good reasoning behind it
L1177[15:06:28] <gm|and> and "DONT SWARE"
L1178[15:06:36] <gm|and> is pretty much a good example of bad reasoning
L1179[15:06:52] * Mettaton_Fab puts Inari atop the lewd pyramid
L1180[15:06:57] <gm|and> the words are fairly arbitrary and ranked fairly arbitrarily
L1181[15:07:15] <gm|and> the general patterns are they're sexually-charged and/or slurs
L1182[15:07:25] <gm|and> but then how the fuck did "shit" end up in there
L1183[15:07:38] <gm|and> and "arsehole"
L1184[15:07:59] <gamax92> CADET
L1185[15:08:00] <Izaya> used as insults?
L1186[15:08:04] <gamax92> Can't Add Doesn't Even Try
L1187[15:08:07] <gm|and> i mean if "shit" is offensive because it's involved in some sexual routine then "car" should also be a swear word
L1188[15:08:28] <CompanionCube> perhaps it's due to the association with poop?
L1189[15:08:30] <gm|and> and i wasn't talking about merely doing it in a car
L1190[15:08:40] <gm|and> but by that logic poop should also be a swear word
L1191[15:09:01] <Izaya> it is in kindergarten
L1192[15:09:19] <gamax92> gm|and: shit is generally combined with more to become insults/swears
L1193[15:09:34] <gamax92> piece of shit, shitbag, etc
L1194[15:09:50] <gm|and> shitfaced just means drunk though
L1195[15:09:54] <gamax92> by itself it doesn't really make sense, yeah
L1196[15:10:52] * CompanionCube thinks that the 'over 18' thing is irrelevant because they're flipping polygons of fictional characters
L1197[15:11:19] <gm|and> the whole thing is a crock though... i mean, why would you pick a special almost-standardised word list
L1198[15:11:42] <gamax92> lol CompanionCube
L1199[15:11:44] <gm|and> my cynical side seems to think shit was picked as an offensive word because bullshit best describes their system\
L1200[15:11:52] <gm|and> bullshit is a wonderful word
L1201[15:11:57] <gm|and> it describes so much
L1202[15:12:13] <CompanionCube> gm|and: there's most likely more to it than that
L1203[15:12:14] <gm|and> it's good that it's a banned word in parliament though as it forces them to be original
L1204[15:12:48] <gm|and> it's more important to be respectful than it is to not say fuck
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L1206[15:13:03] <gm|and> and if someone doesn't want to hear it for whatever reason, fine
L1207[15:13:26] <gm|and> if OTOH you're in the company of people who simply don't care, it doesn't really matter
L1208[15:15:01] <gm|and> i recall at intermediate they did have a rather weird no swearing rule
L1209[15:15:20] <gm|and> having said that you hardly ever got pinged for it
L1210[15:15:43] <gm|and> but basically any form of expletive regardless of whether it was on a special word list was not allowed
L1211[15:16:13] <CompanionCube> intermediate?
L1212[15:16:19] <gm|and> junior high
L1213[15:16:26] <gm|and> although the deputy principal, well, she occasionally let it slip, fortunately she was fairly consistent and i don't think she pinged people for it much
L1214[15:16:38] <gm|and> she was actually a really good deputy principal
L1215[15:17:16] <Inari> "The following search terms are not allowed and were removed from your query: color" wat
L1216[15:17:17] <gm|and> the one i had in primary was a total fucking maggot, and the one i had in high school was a weasel who ultimately served himself and did what he could to absolve himself of any blame
L1217[15:17:28] <CompanionCube> Inari: wat
L1218[15:17:30] <gm|and> try spelling it correctly
L1219[15:17:44] <gm|and> either that or it may be because it's indonesian for undies or whatever it was
L1220[15:17:46] <gamax92> colouier
L1221[15:17:50] <gamax92> wat
L1222[15:18:11] <gm|and> but basically the DP we had in high school: if two people got in a fight, both had detention
L1223[15:18:15] <gm|and> that kind of weasely shit
L1224[15:18:24] <gamax92> ahh ...
L1225[15:19:22] <gm|and> a good DP is someone who can look at a fight, and even though party A threw the first hit, party B was ultimately manipulating party A into doing so and thus party B is to blame
L1226[15:19:34] <gm|and> a bad one just leaves it at the first hit and says "just ignore it"
L1227[15:19:39] <gm|and> whcih Does Not Fucking Work
L1228[15:20:00] <gm|and> the general rule is "never throw the first hit, but always be prepared to throw the last"
L1229[15:20:10] <gm|and> reason you should never throw the first hit is simple: they're ready for it
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L1231[15:21:08] <gm|and> still, i was very surprised at my reaction times in my last year of high school
L1232[15:21:25] <gm|and> someone ripped an ID card out of someone's hand and i ripped it out of theirs at the same time
L1233[15:22:01] <gm|and> and it took me a while to realise that that was what was going on
L1234[15:22:38] <gm|and> another instance, someone who had previous experience with stealing the padlock on my locker must've had a go at it
L1235[15:22:41] <gamax92> I'm glad I never had to deal with stupidity like that, just never happened at my HS
L1236[15:22:49] <gm|and> erm, one day he must've tried it
L1237[15:23:06] <gm|and> he moved his hand toward the locker and i grabbed both his hands and yelled at him
L1238[15:23:15] <gm|and> fortunately the guy responsible for handling the case was one of the deans
L1239[15:23:25] <gm|and> and was a very good one
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L1241[15:23:42] <gm|and> ok mettaton definitely needs reeducation in the meme department
L1242[15:23:42] <gm|and> anyway
L1243[15:23:47] <gamax92> lol
L1244[15:23:52] <gm|and> i was asked to sit in a classroom and write what i thought happened
L1245[15:24:01] <gm|and> i didn't quite remember exactly what the hell was going on but it was on camera
L1246[15:24:33] <gm|and> there was another time when someone came up to me and went "remember when you punched me"
L1247[15:24:36] <gm|and> and guess what, i didn't
L1248[15:24:56] <Inari> gm|and: Personally I think all this "BUT THE CHILDREN" stuff is overstated in a lot of ways
L1249[15:25:00] <gm|and> because i dealt with a lot of shitbags of varying degree that i can't remember *every* shitbag's face
L1250[15:25:12] <Inari> We have a law against rape. We don't need an extra one for child rape
L1251[15:25:44] <gm|and> well yeah
L1252[15:25:58] <gm|and> just chuck them in jail and everyone else will kick the living shit out of them for being a kiddy-fiddler
L1253[15:26:18] <gm|and> they already get the extra punishment of literally nobody in jail liking them at all
L1254[15:26:30] <gm|and> although they usually get put into segregation
L1255[15:26:44] <gm|and> just because otherwise they will have the living shit kicked out of them on a regular basis
L1256[15:26:59] <gm|and> and heck i think in segregation they'd get the shit kicked out of them anyway
L1257[15:27:47] <Inari> gm|and: Thats still wrong too :P
L1258[15:28:45] <gm|and> i know someone who's been to jail and there's definitely categorisation
L1259[15:28:52] <Inari> And then people get overly anti-it and stuff like ageplay and lolis is seen skeptically
L1260[15:28:54] * Inari shrugs
L1261[15:29:32] <gm|and> main diff between lolishit and actual kids is well, lolishit doesn't have actual kids in it
L1262[15:29:44] <Inari> For Pedophilia being less than 5% of males it sure is a huge deal to many :P
L1263[15:30:16] <Inari> (And yes there are female pedophiles, but the public picture usually has males)
L1264[15:30:22] <gm|and> but yeah, fortunately the guy in question ended up in a "you definitely don't want to fuck with this guy" category, which is good because he's not the sort of person who you'd expect to go to jail
L1265[15:30:37] <Inari> And then the disctinction betwene pedophile, ephebophile that many don't get
L1266[15:30:42] <Inari> and between pedophile and child molester :P
L1267[15:30:53] <CompanionCube> what even is an ephebophile
L1268[15:31:00] <CompanionCube> I've never heard of that one before
L1269[15:31:05] <gm|and> isn't that a hebephile or something like that
L1270[15:31:12] <Inari> "Ephebophilia is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19."
L1271[15:31:25] <Inari> Well pedophilia is pre-pubescent ors o
L1272[15:31:32] <Inari> but they often get mixed together
L1273[15:31:43] <gm|and> yeah there's definitely a difference
L1274[15:32:07] <gm|and> one is "they almost look like they could be legal and sometimes they do", the other is "that's definitely underage"
L1275[15:33:01] <Inari> Heck in Germany 14 is legal if you arne't over 21
L1276[15:34:00] <gm|and> i wonder if it scales properly or if there are moments where it alternates between legal and not
L1277[15:34:03] <Inari> "Ageplay is not considered pedophilia or related to pedophilia by professional psychologists." Suck it people! :P
L1278[15:34:15] <Inari> gm|and: I think it alternates
L1279[15:34:43] <Inari> its like... if the younger is 14 its legal if the older isn't over 21 or something... and then when the younger is over 16 thats lifted too
L1280[15:34:44] <gm|and> they should base it on birthdates
L1281[15:34:55] <Inari> but if the younger complains its still handled as child rape rather than normal rape
L1282[15:34:57] <Inari> Or so
L1283[15:34:58] <gm|and> ah righty
L1284[15:35:09] <Inari> At least on the 14-16 range @ child rape :P
L1285[15:35:24] <Inari> Though I may misrecall
L1286[15:35:33] <gm|and> in NZ 16+ was legal last time i checked
L1287[15:35:45] <Inari> https://books.google.de/books?id=uNkNhPZQprcC&pg=PA147&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false "Essential BDSM vocabulary" heh
L1288[15:36:26] <Inari> gm|and: I still think out of principle children below 14 should be able to be granted the right of consent :P With enough checks and such in place. And yes, no child may ever pass those, if even any apply for it. But I think it should be there as an option in the interested of true freedom
L1289[15:37:17] <gm|and> trying to recall which countries have an age of consent of 9
L1290[15:37:17] <gm|and> they're arab ones afaik
L1291[15:37:24] <gm|and> and i believe it's all entirely based on one thing muhammad did
L1292[15:38:47] <Lizzy> %seen Kodos
L1293[15:38:47] <MichiBot> Lizzy: Kodos was last seen 2d 21h 43m 41s ago.
L1294[15:38:53] <Lizzy> k
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L1301[16:25:30] <Lizzy> :O https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VmJcZR0Yg
L1302[16:25:30] <MichiBot> Ghost in the Shell Official Trailer 1 (2017) - Scarlett Johansson Movie | length: 2m 12s | Likes: 52,403 Dislikes: 5,545 Views: 1,653,519 | by Movieclips Trailers | Published On 13/11/2016
L1303[16:25:44] <Forecaster> seen!
L1304[16:25:47] <Forecaster> looks good
L1305[16:25:53] <Forecaster> want to see
L1306[16:34:55] <Inari> Is there a name for when you make something an acronym but leave the last part as a full word? So instead of "TFW" "TF when"
L1307[16:35:10] <Inari> Or "HU Display" insteadof "HUD"
L1308[16:35:30] <Forecaster> no idea
L1309[16:35:37] <Forecaster> never thought about that
L1310[16:43:06] <20kdc> I Circuits
L1311[16:44:33] <Inari> Well often people seem to add the last thing anyway
L1312[16:44:36] <Inari> so why not leave it off :P
L1313[16:44:48] <Inari> Like Skyrim Total Enhancement Project or what it was called
L1314[16:44:52] <Inari> people go "STEP PRoject"
L1315[16:45:09] <Inari> So might as well go with "STE Project" to begin with
L1316[16:45:53] <20kdc> or just "STEP"
L1317[16:45:56] <20kdc> or just "STEP"
L1318[16:46:04] <gamax92> I have never heard "HU Display"
L1319[16:46:25] <Inari> 20kcd: sure, but people then go "STEP Project"
L1320[16:54:39] <20kdc> ...how on earth did I manage to double-post on Discord?
L1321[16:54:49] <Forecaster> it does that sometimes
L1322[16:54:52] <Forecaster> it's not your fault
L1323[16:54:59] <Forecaster> it's a problem with discord
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L1327[17:12:25] <Mimiru> You're a problem with discord @Forecaster ?
L1328[17:14:48] <gamax92> "Why would you go to such lengths to exploit this and then immediately disclose the vulnerability to have it patched, rather than actually using the exploit?" "Maybe because you are a nice person?"
L1329[17:19:42] <CompanionCube> gamax92: who's that?
L1330[17:20:10] <gamax92> https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/5cq1hg/ idiots here
L1331[17:21:16] <GreaseMonkey> "Forgive me, but that seems foolish. If you know there's some security flaws already, why aren't you checking for more? You can't find everything, sure, but you could surely find more." please bleach the gene pool
L1332[17:21:34] <GreaseMonkey> there's something called a help vampire, this is a concern vampire instead
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L1334[17:21:41] <Mimiru> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_M7j5SDtQw
L1335[17:21:42] <MichiBot> Sailor Moon’s Ford Fusion Dream | Overdubs | Ford | length: 44s | Likes: 810 Dislikes: 102 Views: 89,286 | by Ford Motor Company | Published On 10/11/2016
L1336[17:21:47] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: the auto hidden comment is even better
L1337[17:22:11] <gamax92> or well, the one further down that is yet also auto hidden
L1338[17:22:25] <GreaseMonkey> "BRB scrubbing software known by developers to likely be exploitable and they aren't going to do any single thing after this one incident off of my PC" that one?
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L1340[17:22:34] <gamax92> yeeeep
L1341[17:23:37] <gamax92> I haven't read the article itself yet though, so brb
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L1346[17:29:36] <GreaseMonkey> just finished reading said article, it's a goodie
L1347[17:29:59] <GreaseMonkey> i wouldn't call it glorious but it's definitely a solid and doable exploit
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L1349[17:32:26] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, gamax92: I wonder if it's possible to exploit OC through its Lua.
L1350[17:32:48] <GreaseMonkey> soniex found out it was possible to DoS it via __gc
L1351[17:32:56] <GreaseMonkey> and then wouldn't shut up about it
L1352[17:33:43] <Skye> DoS in a Minecraft mod is literally par for the course
L1353[17:33:48] <Skye> Like...
L1354[17:35:11] <gamax92> cc still probably has that one exploit I've messaged dan200 about twice on the forums and on the rare times he's on irc and never bothered to fix
L1355[17:35:39] <gamax92> it spawns a crap load of threads and brings a server to a crawl
L1356[17:35:42] <GreaseMonkey> is it the one that involves sp... yes
L1357[17:36:48] <Skye> Ouch but... Still not surprising for a Minecraft mod. :p
L1358[17:38:01] <Skye> Is the OC sandbox safe?
L1359[17:38:19] <GreaseMonkey> i suspect it's not terribad
L1360[17:38:22] <GreaseMonkey> but that's not saying much
L1361[17:38:42] <Skye> Well... Bytecode is disabled
L1362[17:38:45] <GreaseMonkey> a lot of the actual sandboxing takes place in machine.lua
L1363[17:38:54] <Skye> And a lot of functions are disabled, too.
L1364[17:38:54] <GreaseMonkey> but i suspect the FS stuff is through custom APIs
L1365[17:38:54] <gamax92> bytecode is off limits so all the usual lua exploits aren't possible
L1366[17:39:22] <payonel> i want to enable bytecode, btw
L1367[17:39:28] <gamax92> then do so
L1368[17:39:28] <GreaseMonkey> you don't have the usual setfenv/getfenv fuckery of 5.1
L1369[17:39:52] <payonel> if it is possible using keys to verify the source
L1370[17:40:12] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/lua/machine.lua
L1371[17:40:18] <Skye> But how do you trust it?
L1372[17:40:26] <gamax92> a more important question
L1373[17:40:29] <gamax92> payonel: what do you gain.
L1374[17:40:32] <Skye> What would you use the bytecode for?
L1375[17:40:39] <payonel> swap space
L1376[17:40:50] <payonel> store memory on disk
L1377[17:41:09] <Skye> Ah
L1378[17:41:13] <gamax92> uh.
L1379[17:41:23] <Skye> Thing is... Where would the keys be stored?
L1380[17:41:39] <gamax92> you also don't have debug api so, good luck at all.
L1381[17:41:55] <Skye> The best bet would be to rewrite Lua safely.
L1382[17:42:01] <GreaseMonkey> if you use your own machine.lua then you do have the debug api ;)
L1383[17:42:06] <payonel> it would be outside the sandbox
L1384[17:42:15] <payonel> the keys that is
L1385[17:42:16] <gamax92> Skye: lua has a flag to let it be save
L1386[17:42:19] <gamax92> it's also slow.
L1387[17:42:33] <Skye> Didn't Lua remove the bytecode sandbox?
L1388[17:42:40] <gamax92> verifier, and yes
L1389[17:42:42] <Achai> "sandbox"
L1390[17:42:49] <Achai> """"""""sandbox""""""""
L1391[17:42:56] <gamax92> shush ds :P
L1392[17:43:02] <Skye> payonel: if it's in a save file then you can have malicious save files.
L1393[17:43:07] <Achai> neverr
L1394[17:43:22] <Skye> Actually
L1395[17:43:39] <Skye> Could you modify a save file to actually do stuff when loaded.
L1396[17:43:51] <Achai> Totally
L1397[17:44:16] <Skye> So it's not safe in terms of save files
L1398[17:44:17] <Achai> hell, you could modify the save file to give you execution in machine.lua
L1399[17:44:25] <Skye> How?
L1400[17:44:30] <Achai> that is a ``could``
L1401[17:44:47] <CompanionCube> Skye: did you know that some made a version of OC that had no sandbox or sometthing
L1402[17:44:50] <Achai> The format is documented
L1403[17:44:53] <gamax92> machine.lua stuff doesn't take up oc memory btw
L1404[17:45:17] <Achai> actually, does it even get persisted?
L1405[17:45:21] <Achai> i should check that
L1406[17:45:39] <payonel> why should i care about save files?
L1407[17:46:05] <Skye> Even if it's not persisted, you could still currently get it by modifying the Lua bytecode in a save
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L1409[17:46:59] <Achai> yeah, i'm pretty sure part of machine.lua gets persisted
L1410[17:47:12] <gamax92> payonel: because their' complaining about things that were explotable already by server admins and nothing to worry about
L1411[17:47:28] <gamax92> oc doesn't hibernate in the sense that you can walk up to a hibernated computer
L1412[17:47:52] <gamax92> as soon as you bring it into focus it unhibernates, so no way to modify disk contents mid hibernate unless you're an admin
L1413[17:48:08] <gamax92> which is already possible thanks to the state file for persisting already being easily accessable to an admin
L1414[17:48:17] <gamax92> so, nothing new, and not explotable by users.
L1415[17:48:52] <payonel> this was my line of thinkiing - which is why i wasn't concerned
L1416[17:49:34] <Achai> in whatever version of OC i'm looking at right now it would be 100% possible to get os.execute with a bad save file
L1417[17:49:35] <Skye> The only issue is evil save files that people publish, though there's no defence against that other than getting a safer Lua VM.
L1418[17:49:48] <gamax92> why would you be publishing save files.
L1419[17:49:54] <Achai> gamax92: why not
L1420[17:50:04] <Skye> People do it all the time
L1421[17:50:07] <Skye> Adventure maps
L1422[17:50:18] <Achai> i'll make a poc after I eat, I guess
L1423[17:50:20] <gamax92> we should stop calling it save files.
L1424[17:50:24] <Skye> "This is to show off" maps
L1425[17:50:25] <gamax92> call it a swap file
L1426[17:50:27] <Achai> i'll have to read up on the eris format
L1427[17:50:34] <gamax92> because it's essentially what it is, and no people do not do it all the time
L1428[17:50:44] <Achai> gamax92: but the way to network a swap file to another person is via save files
L1429[17:50:46] <Achai> like
L1430[17:50:47] <Skye> Achai: I think it's something to do with pickles
L1431[17:50:48] <Achai> minecraft save files
L1432[17:50:55] <Skye> ^
L1433[17:51:05] <gamax92> hmm ... true.
L1434[17:51:31] <Skye> This is funny.
L1435[17:51:38] <gamax92> yeah that actually fucks everything up
L1436[17:51:59] <Skye> Start about laughing at people keeping vulnerabilities
L1437[17:52:17] <Skye> Then wondering about OC vulnerabilities
L1438[17:52:29] <Skye> And realising that there's a pretty obvious one.
L1439[17:52:50] <gamax92> well oc has a vulnerablility where people in creative can access any file on your computer
L1440[17:53:06] <Skye> Wait what.
L1441[17:53:28] <Skye> Debug card?
L1442[17:53:32] <gamax92> and that.
L1443[17:53:53] <payonel> why would someone need/want to network a swap file?
L1444[17:54:00] <payonel> and why do i have to use save files for that?
L1445[17:54:29] <Skye> gamax92: how does creative become file access?!
L1446[17:54:36] <vifino> payonel: rootless networking booting systems?
L1447[17:54:44] <gamax92> payonel: they mean that someone could send out a modpack+map for others to play on with maliciously crafted state files, so you spawn in next to a computer and then boom Lua is exploted
L1448[17:54:52] <vifino> network-powered*
L1449[17:55:01] <vifino> or just netbooting
L1450[17:55:14] <payonel> ah, well, again - trusting your source for a modpack
L1451[17:55:22] <payonel> already an expoitable issue
L1452[17:55:24] <Skye> Trusting mod packs
L1453[17:55:31] <Skye> Is different to trusting saves
L1454[17:55:42] <gamax92> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2116
L1455[17:56:08] <payonel> Skye: it is different, i agree
L1456[17:57:06] <gamax92> I still need to look through the mess that OC is to put in a validator for this like Magik6k and submit a pr
L1457[17:57:13] <Skye> Oh god.
L1458[17:57:16] <gamax92> suggested+
L1459[17:57:23] <Skye> gamax92: OC is not a mess
L1460[17:57:28] <gamax92> lol.
L1461[17:57:30] <Skye> Scala is nice.
L1462[17:57:34] <gamax92> yes
L1463[17:57:37] <gamax92> OC is a mess though
L1464[17:57:49] <gamax92> I don't mean it has messy code
L1465[17:57:54] <gamax92> i mean it has a shit ton of files
L1466[17:58:01] <Skye> Ah
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L1468[17:59:43] <Skye> The only way to fix the savestate exploit that I can think of is to make a Lua VM that's completely safe.
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L1470[17:59:51] <payonel> what do you mean "like Magik6k", did magik make a validator? or did magik go through the code?
L1471[18:00:09] <gamax92> Magik6k suggested to validate the uuid in the nbt
L1472[18:00:18] <gamax92> so ... validate the uuid in the nbt.
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L1475[18:28:10] <gamax92> found the point
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L1477[18:31:49] <payonel> the uuid of what?
L1478[18:32:48] <payonel> and the nbt of what?
L1479[18:32:48] <gamax92> the filesystem
L1480[18:32:53] <gamax92> the filesystem
L1481[18:33:08] <payonel> validate the uuid against what?
L1482[18:33:19] <gamax92> what valid uuids are ...
L1483[18:33:26] * gamax92 puts payonel in a box.
L1484[18:33:46] <payonel> referring to the spec of what makes an id a valid uuid ?
L1485[18:33:57] <payonel> sorry it is so offensive to ask questions :)
L1486[18:34:10] <gamax92> No I'm referring to the spec of box dimensions for poptars.
L1487[18:34:25] <payonel> why could an exploit not fake the uuid?
L1488[18:34:42] <gamax92> that's the point, they can, and so by validating the uuid you prevent that
L1489[18:34:46] <payonel> and, why would putting in exploit savestate data in an existing fs cause its uuid to be invalid?
L1490[18:35:04] <gamax92> it' doesn't prevent accessing other drive contents, but it prevents breaking of the save folder
L1491[18:35:23] <gamax92> payonel: not related.
L1492[18:35:30] <payonel> what does that have to do with the uuid of the fs?
L1493[18:35:33] <gamax92> shush
L1494[18:35:39] <gamax92> stop talking, lemme explain.
L1495[18:35:42] <gamax92> okay?
L1496[18:35:42] <gamax92>
L1497[18:35:47] <payonel>
L1498[18:36:08] <gamax92> this is a different exploit, not at all related to previous conversation up until when I mentioned "well oc has a vulnerablility where people in creative can access any file on your computer"
L1499[18:36:26] <payonel> i see that now (still listening)
L1500[18:36:41] <gamax92> what the exploit is, is by using a debug card, or using a packet only creative players can use, if you change the uuid to something like "hello/../../../..", it will blindly accept this
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L1502[18:37:26] <payonel> in the nbt, the uuid of the fs is the relative path in the host?
L1503[18:37:35] <payonel> ah.
L1504[18:37:37] <payonel> right
L1505[18:37:39] <payonel> it is the name of the folder
L1506[18:37:46] <payonel> which is supposed to be a uuid
L1507[18:37:49] <payonel> i see
L1508[18:37:59] <gamax92> yes, also ocemu isn't attackable like this :>
L1509[18:38:27] <gamax92> well ... it might be.
L1510[18:39:12] <payonel> i've spent more time in ocemu in the last year than in mc by orders of magnitude
L1511[18:39:19] <payonel> thank you, btw
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L1513[18:41:35] <payonel> btw, idea has been like this for the last 4 hours (when i told it to import) http://i.imgur.com/xOMAV04.png
L1514[18:42:16] <payonel> it hasn't always been on "Gradle: Build" it was other taskss, but build has been "in progress" for 4 hours
L1515[18:43:01] <payonel> is the normal? user error? windows fault? (
L1516[18:43:20] <payonel> i can switch to my linux machine if i need to)
L1517[18:47:06] <GreaseMonkey> it's likely that a maven repo is derping
L1518[18:50:11] <payonel> GreaseMonkey: any way to confirm that? any way to work around that?
L1519[18:50:38] <GreaseMonkey> there's a way to run gradle w/o dling stuff, either way try running gradle verbosely outside of idea
L1520[18:51:01] <GreaseMonkey> and please don't ask me how it's done as it's been quite a while since i've touched MC modding
L1521[18:51:33] <payonel> GreaseMonkey: i ran `./gradlew clean setupDecompWorkspace idea` before opening the oc folder with idea, and then let it import -- which led to this
L1522[18:51:55] <GreaseMonkey> ./gradlew build
L1523[18:52:04] <GreaseMonkey> maybe with --verbose or whatever the hell the flag is
L1524[18:52:19] <payonel> ./gradlew build --verbose-as-hell?
L1525[18:52:21] <payonel> :P
L1526[19:00:45] <gamax92> testing fix
L1527[19:05:38] <payonel> what does it mean to make gradle offline? what is downloaded and when is it downloaded?
L1528[19:06:23] <gamax92> gradle libraries, mc stuff, and other mod apis
L1529[19:07:04] <gamax92> offline means rely on cache instead of checking for updates to that stuff and or downloading missing stuff
L1530[19:07:14] <gamax92> which if you've done a successful built then you should have everything
L1531[19:07:44] <payonel> it kills me that these gradle steps take 3-4 hours
L1532[19:08:06] <gamax92> I can't replicate this bug
L1533[19:08:22] <payonel> the fs relative path exploit?
L1534[19:09:42] <gamax92> nvm got it, the disk I was working with was just broken apparently.
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L1536[19:13:10] <payonel> gamax92: how long does `./gradlew build` take for you?
L1537[19:13:49] <gamax92> 8 minutes but I've already done previous builds
L1538[19:14:36] <payonel> it is at ':compileApiJava'
L1539[19:14:47] <payonel> but i have 0% cpu usage on the system and 12GB of ram free
L1540[19:15:02] <payonel> been like this for about 30 minutes
L1541[19:15:11] <payonel> everything i do with gradle is like this
L1542[19:15:28] <Mimiru> I've had builds hang like that
L1543[19:15:30] <Mimiru> it's annoying
L1544[19:15:44] <Mimiru> it took me 56 minutes to build OC last time I tried
L1545[19:16:00] <gamax92> oh it takes an hour or so if my cache is cleared
L1546[19:16:15] <payonel> Mimiru: i've been "importing" or "setting up" one step or another for oc for 8 hours in the last 24 hours
L1547[19:16:42] <Mimiru> gamax92, 56 minutes is after I've ran previous builds
L1548[19:16:49] <gamax92> ouch :/
L1549[19:17:13] <payonel> i suppose it is frustrating because i dont even know if this is going to work
L1550[19:17:23] <gamax92> payonel: you can pass gradlew --debug to get a lot of output
L1551[19:17:32] <payonel> i started over because the last time i tried the startup complained about not finding the deobfuscation folders
L1552[19:17:34] <gamax92> it'll also be obvious if it
L1553[19:17:43] <gamax92> 's hanging at a spot because it'll stop at "Connecting to"
L1554[19:17:53] <gamax92> which it appears a site is down
L1555[19:17:56] <payonel> gamax92: i'll definitely use that next time
L1556[19:19:04] <gamax92> as far as IDEA hanging ... no idea I use eclipse and it setup up the workspace no problem and I have it open right now
L1557[19:21:37] <gamax92> coloredlightscore.us.to is being very slow, if it's even up at all.
L1558[19:24:24] <payonel> Mimiru: can i refresh the projects on command line verbosely?
L1559[19:24:50] <gamax92> payonel: it's probably not your fault
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L1561[19:31:22] <gamax92> huh ... why is it trying to grab everything from libraries.minecraft.net
L1562[19:31:39] <gamax92> hey payonel, can you do a ./gradlew build --info?
L1563[19:35:21] <payonel> starts out like this http://hastebin.com/qibucecexa.rb
L1564[19:36:31] <gamax92> oh, yeah calclavia.com is just spitting out 503s
L1565[19:38:44] <gamax92> ... which it shouldn't be checking anyway, since that's not where scala is.
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L1567[19:40:45] <Charlotte> yay stats im coming uppp
L1568[19:41:54] <gamax92> lol, I don't get it. it checks every maven for a file even though all of them except one is actually the correct one
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L1584[21:23:11] <Charlotte> anyone know how to convert deb to xzm for portus? the portus page says its possible, cant find anything online
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L1588[21:42:29] <Charlotte> nvm it uses usm
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L1592[22:28:26] <S3> su oh
L1593[22:28:29] <S3> so uh*
L1594[22:28:40] <S3> my OOP lua library is coming along
L1595[22:28:50] <S3> it's not even that large, but it's quite heavy
L1596[22:28:57] <scj643> Dang
L1597[22:29:53] <S3> if you thought metamethods were quite meta, this is like metaprogramming to a whole new level
L1598[22:29:54] <S3> :D
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L1601[22:30:13] <Charlotte> nvm...usm doesnt install things....or download things..
L1602[22:30:22] <Charlotte> cant even find firefox in a search
L1603[22:30:22] <S3> especially with parameterized mixins
L1604[22:30:25] <Charlotte> bleh
L1605[22:30:33] <S3> so you can pass parameters to a mixin and have it sort of build itself
L1606[22:32:51] <S3> you will also be able to overload functions, and then remove the mixin that provides the function overloaded, without removing the overloaded function
L1607[22:32:53] <S3> well
L1608[22:33:00] <S3> without removing the overload
L1609[22:33:22] <S3> it does this by keeping track of meta functions
L1610[22:33:48] <Kodos> Super Circuit Maker is... interesting
L1611[22:34:06] <S3> Kodos: oh?
L1612[22:34:15] <payonel> gamax92: this was the entire build --info http://hastebin.com/oxemuvafox.rb
L1613[22:46:21] <payonel> --offline finished iin 23 seconds
L1614[22:48:04] <gamax92> payonel: yeah I dunno why it tries to fetch stuff from the wrong location but if --offline works then use it
L1615[22:48:13] <gamax92> it'll prevent pointless redownloading
L1616[22:48:43] <payonel> well, when i try to run the "client" configuration, i still get "select an mcp conf dir for the deobfuscator" folder select dialogs
L1617[22:48:59] <payonel> i tried just giving it a new path and that failed to load the game
L1618[22:49:12] <payonel> so now i'm googling for help, found https://github.com/Chicken-Bones/CodeChickenCore/issues/26
L1619[22:49:19] <Mimiru> payonel, you have to give it the 1.7 mcp conf dir it's... hiding
L1620[22:50:13] <payonel> so it's a dir that already exists? made when i ran setupDecomp ?
L1621[22:50:21] <Mimiru> yes
L1622[22:50:25] <payonel> what is a file in it i could search to find it
L1623[22:50:40] <Mimiru> For me it's C:\Users\Michi\.gradle\caches\minecraft\net\minecraftforge\forge\1.7.10-10.13.2.1230\unpacked\conf
L1624[22:50:48] <payonel> awesome thanks, i'll compare
L1625[22:50:59] <Mimiru> adjust paths for various user names, and versions of forge :P
L1626[22:51:09] * payonel secretly goes by Michi irl
L1627[22:51:16] <payonel> ^.^
L1628[22:51:18] <Mimiru> lol
L1629[22:52:24] <payonel> !!!!!!
L1630[22:52:32] <payonel> Mimiru: ... oh
L1631[22:52:35] <payonel> haha
L1632[22:52:37] <payonel> it was working then it crashed
L1633[22:52:42] <Mimiru> Haaa
L1634[22:52:51] <Mimiru> But... one step at a time, right?
L1635[22:52:56] <payonel> yep yep
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L1637[22:53:05] <Mimiru> I'd love to help more
L1638[22:53:10] <payonel> but
L1639[22:53:10] <Mimiru> but I'm falling asleep
L1640[22:53:15] <payonel> okay :)
L1641[22:53:18] <payonel> thanks !
L1642[22:53:36] <Mimiru> Np, good luck!
L1643[22:53:47] <payonel> o/
L1644[22:53:48] <Mimiru> And if you're still having issues tomorrow I'll sit down and try from a fresh clone
L1645[22:53:55] * payonel gives Mimiru an extra fluffy pillow
L1646[22:55:24] <payonel> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Multiple entries with same key: appliedenergistics2=FMLMod:appliedenergistics2{rv2-beta-26} and appliedenergistics2=FMLMod:appliedenergistics2{rv2-beta-26}
L1647[22:55:42] <payonel> simple error, but surprised i got that from this oc project
L1648[22:56:56] <gamax92> bbl
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L1650[23:01:45] <Kodos> What crashes less, IC or Project Red's implementation
L1651[23:02:13] <payonel> Kodos: ive made a few packs with project red but never with ic
L1652[23:02:23] <payonel> project red over the last year has been good for me
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L1654[23:07:03] <payonel> i cant figure out why AE2 is getting loaded twice
L1655[23:07:16] <payonel> i found the file it is loading, but there is only one ae2 file
L1656[23:12:42] <payonel> if i just mv ae2 to ae2.bk we're good, but it's missing micdoodle
L1657[23:12:54] <payonel> getting closer. but surprised i'm hitting these types of issues :(
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L1660[23:26:45] <payonel> Kodos: i have an ae2 jar with 2 mcmod.info files
L1661[23:26:48] <payonel> same case
L1662[23:26:57] <payonel> :/
L1663[23:29:53] <Kodos> wat
L1664[23:30:03] <Kodos> Let me check somethin
L1665[23:30:14] <payonel> when loading the game it complained about 2 ae2s
L1666[23:30:20] <payonel> but i removed one of the two, and it didn't help :/
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L1670[23:34:27] <payonel> Kodos: yeah this one ae-mod.info/builds/appliedenergistics2-rv2-beta-26-dev.jar
L1671[23:34:33] <payonel> it has 2 mcmod.info files
L1672[23:34:36] <payonel> am i crazy?
L1673[23:36:48] <Kodos> Could always ask in the ae channel
L1674[23:36:55] <Kodos> though raydeejay is likely to just laugh you out of it
L1675[23:37:23] <payonel> well screw that version, it double loads in forge
L1676[23:37:26] <payonel> no idea why
L1677[23:37:28] <payonel> just using a different one
L1678[23:40:52] <Kodos> I'm just trying to figure out what to use SCM for while waiting on meds to kick in
L1679[23:44:18] <payonel> but youre saying the ae2 channel is hostile? :)
L1680[23:46:04] <Kodos> Just raydeejay
L1681[23:46:16] <Kodos> And occasionally Techjar
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