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L5[00:29:38] <ade129> Hmm... how does one explain the concept of linux to a computer noob
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L7[00:31:14] <ade129> I'm not exactly one but... I need to for some odd reason
L8[00:31:40] <ade129> Do I just shove them with the "I'd like to interject" thing
L9[00:33:40] *** Keridos is now known as Keridos|away
L10[00:54:47] <qws-user-1228> I just updated my server from 1.8.9 to 1.10.2, and I noticed that lighting for 3D printed OC blocks is weird
L11[00:54:48] <qws-user-1228> http://i.imgur.com/a5rb01I.jpg
L12[00:54:59] <qws-user-1228> Half of this building is 3D printed, can you tell what blocks? :)
L13[00:55:24] <qws-user-1228> http://i.imgur.com/K821Wl2.png
L14[00:55:32] <qws-user-1228> half of this sign is 3D printed
L15[00:55:34] <gamax92> imgur not loading
L16[00:55:45] <qws-user-1228> loads for me...
L17[00:56:31] <qws-user-1228> to summarize the problem: 3D printed blocks are darker than usual
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L19[01:02:34] <ade129> Why do markdown escape characters work like 1/5th of the time
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L21[01:27:34] <Forecaster> https://twitter.com/hudsonhongo/status/796528589122523136
L22[01:27:35] <MichiBot> Wed Nov 09 19:43:09 CST 2016 @hudsonhongo: tremble in fear of My Unhackable Ass https://t.co/csvyHVi6qL
L23[01:27:46] <Forecaster> Protect your assets, install AVG in your butt today
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L27[03:12:04] <Forecaster> meh
L28[03:12:21] <Forecaster> at this rate it'll take 4 days to generate 1 billion money to get the second factory >:
L29[03:14:07] <Forecaster> cutting research significantly brings it down to 1 day
L30[03:14:16] <Forecaster> well, just below 2
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L34[03:38:24] <Forecaster> bleh, I'm hungry already
L35[03:38:34] <Forecaster> and woo, got it down to 1.5 days
L36[03:40:31] <Forecaster> why is land to expensive in factoryidle D:
L37[03:52:47] <Forecaster> https://twitter.com/edb87/status/796812181660692480
L38[03:52:47] <MichiBot> Thu Nov 10 14:30:02 CST 2016 @edb87: Presented without comment. https://t.co/UaPNVHBw8o
L39[03:53:05] <Forecaster> brilliant, a true pillar of society
L40[04:20:02] <Inari> 1.5 days?
L41[04:23:59] <Forecaster> to generate enough money for the next factory
L42[04:31:00] <Inari> Ah :p
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L44[04:33:27] <Forecaster> got money/t up to 1146 and we're now down to 1.3 days
L45[04:34:31] <Inari> "Skyrim Essential Beuatification mods"
L46[04:34:33] <Inari> [list of 100 mods]
L47[04:34:51] <Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/ZiXpZNs.png
L48[04:35:13] <Inari> Well seems you have plenty of space to work with :P
L49[04:36:44] <Forecaster> the empty buildings are locked
L50[04:39:09] <Inari> Oh well
L51[04:39:21] <Inari> I got a new GPU for NMs, might as well use it fro skyrim *Gets to install all those mods*
L52[04:39:25] <Inari> Forecaster: Oh
L53[04:39:25] <Inari> :p
L54[04:39:38] <Inari> I forgot they odn't show that in the overviewhaha
L55[04:40:02] <Forecaster> and the only building that costs less than one billion is the top right one, and that doesn't seem worth it
L56[04:40:14] <Forecaster> so I'm saving to 1 billion to buy the next factory
L57[04:40:25] <Forecaster> then probably the 2.6 bil building
L58[04:40:48] <Forecaster> 2.9*
L59[04:58:56] <ade129> hmm... what's that game
L60[04:59:25] <Inari> http://factoryidle.com/ ?
L61[05:00:38] <ade129> seems fun, let me try it out
L62[05:02:23] <Forecaster> it's like cookie clicker, but actually engaging :P
L63[05:02:33] <Forecaster> and with strategy
L64[05:03:25] <Forecaster> ...
L65[05:03:38] <Forecaster> buying the plastic seller upgrade brought my profit down
L66[05:03:40] <Forecaster> D:<
L67[05:03:48] <Inari> Haha
L68[05:03:50] <Inari> it can, yeah
L69[05:03:58] <Inari> since it costs more per tick :P
L70[05:16:11] <ade129> lovely, already at -2.25/t
L71[05:17:10] <Inari> HAha
L72[05:17:28] <Inari> How did you manage that
L73[05:17:29] <Inari> :P
L74[05:17:49] <ade129> research centre
L75[05:18:11] <Inari> Ah, yeah
L76[05:18:16] <Forecaster> wait until you get the mk2 that costs like 200/t
L77[05:18:26] <Forecaster> 220*
L78[05:20:41] <Forecaster> damn, I have a couple of sellers I'd like to combine, but I can't because the sections are blocked from eachother
L79[05:23:25] <Forecaster> heh
L80[05:23:27] <Forecaster> 29 hours left
L81[05:23:41] <Forecaster> something tells me I wont be able to buy the factory until monday
L82[05:24:31] <Inari> Friday is skyrim modding day insteadof skyrim playing day apparently :|
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L86[05:33:41] <Forecaster> !!
L87[05:33:44] <Forecaster> this is better!
L88[05:33:46] <Forecaster> yes!
L89[05:34:23] <Forecaster> managed to go beyond my previous income with the new upgrade! :D
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L91[05:36:26] <Forecaster> a bit anyway
L92[05:36:54] <Forecaster> I need to make a detour on this thing
L93[05:37:07] <Forecaster> s/detour/detour video
L94[05:37:07] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> I need to make a detour video on this thing
L95[05:38:30] <Forecaster> also dark themes are now 76% vs light in my poll :P
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L97[05:50:38] <Inari> I really need to research this stupid sorter
L98[05:56:43] <Forecaster> I did earlier because I needed it
L99[05:57:03] <Inari> Well I didnt not need it :P Just don't have that much research yet XD
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L101[06:05:15] <Inari> Oh found out something useful haha
L102[06:06:48] <Forecaster> whats that?
L103[06:08:53] <Inari> Theres a fixed order to the outputs :P so if I put two output conveyors the one thats further up gets the plastic
L104[06:08:56] <Inari> and the one furhter down the trash
L105[06:12:40] <Forecaster> the help explains that you know :P
L106[06:13:07] <Forecaster> in the "setting up plastic" bit
L107[06:13:14] <Inari> Do you thikn I read that
L108[06:13:14] <Inari> :P
L109[06:13:27] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_hL7V4 I suck at optimizing this stuff :D
L110[06:13:43] <Forecaster> clearly you should have
L111[06:15:05] <Inari> Psh I just made do with coneyors
L112[06:15:09] <Forecaster> you have the same number of plastic thingies in those buildings as me
L113[06:16:03] <Forecaster> also, "further up" is only true on the right
L114[06:16:47] <Inari> ?
L115[06:17:02] <Forecaster> on the left the bottom output will get the plastic
L116[06:17:29] <Inari> Not according to this xD
L117[06:17:45] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_Jltr4 ?
L118[06:18:31] <Forecaster> if both outputs are on the left > - >
L119[06:19:03] <Inari> Oh right
L120[06:19:05] <Inari> its clockwise :P
L121[06:19:07] <Inari> good to know!
L122[06:20:05] <Forecaster> yes :P
L123[06:20:34] <Inari> Then again I like my conveyor solution
L124[06:20:36] <Inari> Saves sapce
L125[06:20:39] <Inari> Sometimes
L126[06:21:29] <Forecaster> I have no idea what you mean by that
L127[06:21:58] <Inari> Like usin ghow conveyors split stuff up to put the garbage into garbge and the plastic into plastic sellers
L128[06:22:10] <Forecaster> ah
L129[06:22:11] <Inari> Means I only need 1 out conveyor and can slap sutff closer together, sometime
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L131[06:23:33] <Inari> \|\
L132[06:23:35] <Inari> * zZz
L133[06:25:13] <Inari> 1836/tick
L134[06:25:51] <Forecaster> D:<
L135[06:25:55] <Inari> ?
L136[06:26:22] <Inari> I hate hwen I try to optimize and instead drop my income
L137[06:26:23] <Forecaster> that's more than I have D:
L138[06:26:29] <Inari> Heh
L139[06:26:36] <Forecaster> and I have more space...
L140[06:26:42] <Inari> Maybe you do mroe research
L141[06:26:42] <Inari> :P
L142[06:26:47] <Forecaster> shush
L143[06:26:47] <Inari> 5.12/tick here
L144[06:27:05] <Forecaster> how many ticks/s?
L145[06:27:11] <Inari> 6
L146[06:27:14] <Inari> not that it matters :P
L147[06:27:41] <Forecaster> I have 7, and it does for how much money/research you get :P
L148[06:27:47] <Inari> Only per realtime
L149[06:28:05] <Forecaster> I know...
L150[06:28:10] <Forecaster> that's the time I'm in
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L152[06:45:55] <Inari> there
L153[06:45:57] <Inari> 7 tick/s
L154[06:46:05] * Lizzy screams loudly before laughing manically
L155[06:46:19] * Lizzy thinks she might be genuinly insane
L156[06:46:23] <Inari> Oh
L157[06:46:33] <Inari> I read "screams proudly" and wondered how that would be
L158[06:46:40] <Lizzy> lol
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L161[06:57:28] <Inari> See
L162[06:57:31] <Inari> tried to make itbetter
L163[06:57:34] <Inari> dropped to 1723/tick
L164[06:57:34] <Inari> :s
L165[06:58:04] <Inari> Oh I see why
L166[06:58:48] <Inari> 1838/tick
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L168[07:06:50] <Inari> Forecaster: hah!
L169[07:06:59] <Inari> 2247/tick
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L171[07:12:32] <Inari> Bought that other building for it though :P
L172[07:12:36] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_Oodq7
L173[07:17:34] <Forecaster> :I
L174[07:17:56] <Forecaster> I have more plastic factories, I don't get why I don't get as much income
L175[07:19:53] <Inari> Screen?
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L177[07:21:23] <Forecaster> I realized why
L178[07:21:40] <Forecaster> I hadn't upgraded my buyers, so the factories were running at 50%
L179[07:21:44] <Inari> Ah xD
L180[07:23:34] <Forecaster> but now the sellers are too slow
L181[07:23:45] <Inari> xD
L182[07:29:26] <Forecaster> 2474/t
L183[07:29:41] <Forecaster> and I still have 4 factories outputting into 2 sellers which isn't optimal
L184[07:31:35] <Forecaster> I can't do anything about that...
L185[07:31:39] <Forecaster> there's too little space
L186[07:31:45] <Forecaster> I might have to move them around
L187[07:35:36] <Tealkine> Can you go bankrupt XD?
L188[07:36:40] <Forecaster> dunno
L189[07:37:50] <Tealkine> Sell everything you own, buy reasearches, come back 10 hours later...
L190[07:38:24] <Tealkine> (except for 1 of the everything in the basics)
L191[07:39:06] <ade129> lol I'm still at 70/t
L192[07:39:23] <Forecaster> I can't be bothered to find out
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L198[07:43:46] <Forecaster> 2888/t
L199[07:43:51] <Forecaster> wo
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L201[07:47:23] <Forecaster> \o/
L202[07:47:24] <Forecaster>
L203[07:47:26] <Forecaster> https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-164
L204[07:47:32] <Forecaster> nuclear power!
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L206[07:50:49] <Forecaster> it sounds awesome
L207[07:50:55] <Forecaster> actual usable cooling towers for one thing
L208[07:51:12] <Inari> Wait what
L209[07:51:56] <Forecaster> https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-164
L210[07:52:00] <Forecaster> nuclear power!
L211[07:52:03] <Inari> Oh
L212[07:52:04] <Forecaster> :3
L213[07:52:10] <Inari> Neat
L214[07:52:15] <Forecaster> nuclear power is rad
L215[07:52:21] <Forecaster> (ioactive)
L216[07:52:28] <Inari> HAha
L217[07:52:48] <Inari> oI like the boiler change
L218[07:53:58] <Forecaster> yeah
L219[07:54:17] <Forecaster> also $2890/t \o/
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L223[08:09:56] <ade124> tfw the python code in ibus-table is either all wrong or for python 2 so I have to patch it up
L224[08:10:16] <ade124> ^Why being monolingual is better
L225[08:11:08] <Forecaster> wut
L226[08:11:30] <ade124> they forgot to put print in parentheses so I had quite a bit of fun fixing that
L227[08:15:17] <Forecaster> ah
L228[08:15:53] <ade124> yep, definitely a case of wrong python, it mentions a function only in python 2
L229[08:19:45] <Forecaster> maybe you shouldn't be using the wrong version then :P
L230[08:20:00] <ade124> Hmm... I set everything in the makefile to python 2...
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L236[08:32:09] <S3> for my OC OS, I kind of almost want to make the default shell a Forth shell. comments?
L237[08:32:45] <Izaya> do it
L238[08:32:47] <Izaya> :D
L239[08:32:48] <Izaya> forth a best
L240[08:32:50] <S3> Think so?
L241[08:32:58] <Izaya> have it changeable
L242[08:33:02] <Izaya> but it'd be fun
L243[08:33:04] <S3> obviously
L244[08:33:04] <Izaya> "fun"
L245[08:33:09] <S3> well it's a shell
L246[08:33:13] <S3> a shell is just a process
L247[08:33:13] <Izaya> everyone's favorite sort of fun
L248[08:33:35] <S3> I could explain wy
L249[08:33:37] <S3> why*
L250[08:33:53] <S3> I'm kind of lazy and don't feel like writing my own POSIX shell (bash compatible, etc) parser.
L251[08:34:04] <S3> it's not really hard, but it's also time consuming
L252[08:34:07] <Izaya> so you're going to use a stack machine of some sort?
L253[08:35:01] <S3> can yes, you'll still be able to launch processes, etc but
L254[08:35:05] <S3> itl be a bit differentg
L255[08:35:26] <S3> and you could write programs in Forth not just lua too
L256[08:35:47] <S3> I always make a %L and [L as well as L] words
L257[08:36:05] <S3> they are equivilent to writing assembly in Forth
L258[08:36:10] <S3> but instead they execute lua
L259[08:36:16] <Izaya> yeah
L260[08:36:26] <Izaya> I've done a number of forth-in-lua things
L261[08:36:29] <Izaya> using a number of approaches
L262[08:36:32] <Izaya> mostly horrific
L263[08:36:47] <S3> well I made a really really nice Forth interpreter in Perl last semester
L264[08:36:52] <S3> I figured I'd port that
L265[08:36:56] <S3> small and modular
L266[08:36:59] <Izaya> nice
L267[08:37:04] <Izaya> I have one that basically
L268[08:37:21] <Izaya> when it gets to a word you wrote
L269[08:37:26] <Izaya> well
L270[08:37:28] <Izaya> defined
L271[08:37:43] <Izaya> it expands to the words it's made up of
L272[08:37:45] <Izaya> etc etc
L273[08:38:10] <Izaya> so say : foo bar bar ;
L274[08:38:21] <Izaya> 1 1 + . foo
L275[08:38:26] <ade124> If I was monolingual I wouldn't need to go through the painful process of fixing ibus-table...
L276[08:38:26] <Izaya> would end up as 1 1 + . bar bar
L277[08:38:29] <Izaya> it's terrible
L278[08:38:55] <S3> hmm
L279[08:39:31] <Forecaster> what's an ibus-table?
L280[08:39:36] <S3> I had issues like that until I read the series called "moving forth". It's a beautiful and not very long collection of articles written by someone really cool. Lemme find it.
L281[08:39:40] <ade124> input method thing
L282[08:39:41] <S3> it's great for bedtime reading
L283[08:39:56] <Forecaster> why wouldn't you have to fix it if you were monolingual?
L284[08:40:10] <S3> Izaya: http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/moving1.htm
L285[08:40:11] <ade124> because then I wouldn't need it in the first place would I
L286[08:40:15] <Izaya> like I could do a lot better easily
L287[08:40:16] <Izaya> but I didn't
L288[08:40:56] <S3> if I can get tab completion working with it in the shell..
L289[08:41:13] <S3> even with filesystem locations in strings XD
L290[08:41:20] <Izaya> if I really wanted
L291[08:41:23] <ade124> Not just that, If I didn't learn the wrong input method I could've gotten away with fcitx (another input method engine)
L292[08:41:26] <Izaya> I could probably do a large table
L293[08:41:35] <Izaya> and have a word reference table
L294[08:41:37] <Izaya> etc etc
L295[08:41:39] <Izaya> but I'm a lazy shit
L296[08:42:01] <S3> I usually store my words into a "dictionary"
L297[08:42:18] <S3> and my perl forth interpreter only has two words built in
L298[08:42:30] <S3> they are "function pointer" and "eval"
L299[08:42:57] <S3> one of whoich you give it an anymous / pointer to function to call and the other evaluates perl code as a string
L300[08:43:14] <S3> then with that, everything else is entirely done at runtime
L301[08:43:27] <S3> including addition, etc
L302[08:43:39] <S3> I call it "setting up your environment"
L303[08:43:53] <Izaya> that's pretty nice
L304[08:43:55] <S3> you'd usually load an environment script
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L306[08:44:46] <S3> yeah, I think I will definately make a forth shell
L307[08:45:04] <ade124> nah, **** it I'm using fcitx instead
L308[08:45:04] <S3> if all you're doing is say redstone circuitry then why build a big lua script half the time?
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L310[08:45:24] <Izaya> ^
L311[08:45:27] <Izaya> FORTH is wonderful
L312[08:45:29] <Izaya> forth
L313[08:45:32] <Izaya> either way
L314[08:45:34] <Izaya> it's wonderful
L315[08:45:40] <Izaya> and I'm going to bed
L316[08:45:51] <S3> lol!
L317[08:45:55] <S3> I just woke up
L318[08:46:01] <Izaya> it's like 2 AM
L319[08:46:04] <S3> almost 10 am here
L320[08:46:07] <Izaya> I have to be up before 7 AM
L321[08:46:13] <ade124> It's just 22:45 here...
L322[08:46:38] <ade124> is it thursday there (it's friday)
L323[08:46:55] <Izaya> it's saturday
L324[08:47:05] <ade124> Hmm... odd
L325[08:47:06] <Izaya> living in the future
L326[08:47:24] <ade124> GMT+12's a really uncommon timezone
L327[08:47:32] <Izaya> +11
L328[08:47:39] <Izaya> AEDT
L329[08:47:44] <ade124> Oh, DST
L330[08:47:54] <Izaya> normally it's +10
L331[08:47:54] <ade124> I "love" DST
L332[08:47:55] <Izaya> but no
L333[08:48:06] <Izaya> obviously we want more sun time in summer
L334[08:48:17] <Izaya> anyway yeah
L335[08:48:19] <Izaya> night
L336[08:48:26] <ade124> Still in the future for me, which is very very rare indeed
L337[08:48:35] <S3> DST is the most retarded thing anybody ever came up with
L338[08:48:52] <S3> it was initially invented to save energy but human lives have changed and it makes no difference
L339[08:49:12] <S3> the lifestyle of people isn't the same anymore
L340[08:49:20] <ade124> ikr
L341[08:49:22] <S3> so DST really has no purpose
L342[08:49:38] <S3> because pissing you off when trying to remember what time UTC it is
L343[08:49:49] <S3> other than pissing you off*
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L346[08:50:05] <ade124> *has a watch with UTC time*
L347[08:50:07] <S3> I think I haven't woken up yet
L348[08:51:33] <S3> http://imgur.com/a/W8xEZ
L349[08:52:18] <S3> if that doesn't work, http://i.imgur.com/mOtAplF.png
L350[08:55:02] <S3> I am doing something stupid..
L351[08:56:44] <Forecaster> are you setting fire to your pants?
L352[08:56:49] <S3> no
L353[08:56:52] <S3> see image above ^
L354[08:58:20] <ade124> Fsck me, fcitx had the exact input method I needed built-in! now I need to get it working...
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L356[09:02:23] <S3> ade124: what are you doing?
L357[09:02:31] <ade124> idk
L358[09:04:02] <S3> I dunno what I am doing either
L359[09:04:08] <S3> I can't load a simple lua module
L360[09:05:02] <admicos> just ported my lua preprocessor from computercraft to opencomputers, anyone want to test?
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L362[09:05:18] <S3> oh I know what I'm kinda doing
L363[09:05:35] <S3> preprocessor to do what?
L364[09:06:07] <admicos> basically the "#" commands from C (and C++)
L365[09:06:40] <S3> no I have no idea wtf I am doing
L366[09:06:45] <S3> unless require is broke
L367[09:07:09] <S3> admicos: oh, those are macros..
L368[09:07:17] <S3> some of em anyways
L369[09:07:28] <admicos> you mean #define macros?
L370[09:07:30] <admicos> mine has them too
L371[09:07:33] <S3> wat
L372[09:07:34] <S3> why you do
L373[09:07:53] <S3> what other precompiler directives have you ported?
L374[09:08:28] <admicos> #include, #define, #if, #ifn, #ifdef, #ifndef, #else and #end
L375[09:08:44] <S3> hmm
L376[09:08:50] <admicos> also a "alias" for "#if true"
L377[09:09:07] <admicos> which was the base for all the ifs
L378[09:09:20] <S3> whjat about #error, #pragma, #undef...
L379[09:09:33] <S3> #elif..
L380[09:09:42] <admicos> idk about #pragma but #error and #undef will be easy
L381[09:09:49] <admicos> not sure about #elif
L382[09:09:58] <admicos> yeah it's still lacking stuff
L383[09:10:08] <S3> In your case, #pragma may be useful for configuring the behavior of your precompiler.
L384[09:10:18] <S3> at runtime
L385[09:10:32] <S3> all pragma does is allow you to handle compiler features
L386[09:10:51] <S3> I don't think I've ever used ity
L387[09:10:53] <S3> it*
L388[09:10:53] <admicos> hmm
L389[09:11:02] <admicos> might be useful
L390[09:11:13] <S3> it's not portable in the C world
L391[09:11:13] <admicos> anyway want to try?
L392[09:11:13] <S3> so
L393[09:11:35] <S3> I can't at the moment, I am yelling at OC for not letting me require() a file that is there.
L394[09:11:43] <admicos> oh ok
L395[09:12:03] <admicos> im gonna work on it a little
L396[09:12:05] <S3> it's weird.
L397[09:12:10] <S3> I have a file foo.lua
L398[09:12:23] <ade124> Hmm... random thought of the day: If calculators had a dark theme would you use it?
L399[09:12:23] <S3> then I do require("foo.lua")
L400[09:12:31] <S3> and it's like .. er., I can't find it
L401[09:12:39] <admicos> i dont think you need the ".lua" in require
L402[09:12:43] <admicos> but im not sure
L403[09:12:47] <S3> admicos: probably not. Waste of battery
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L405[09:13:03] <S3> oh shit!
L406[09:13:05] <S3> you're right
L407[09:13:08] <S3> derp
L408[09:13:13] <S3> like I said I just wore up
L409[09:13:15] <S3> woke*
L410[09:13:24] <ade124> I'd say "god no", the visibility is horrible already I don't need it to be worse
L411[09:14:02] <S3> LOL
L412[09:14:06] <S3> I just retyed it
L413[09:14:09] <S3> and typed in the .lua again
L414[09:14:15] <S3> but yeah it works now
L415[09:14:17] <admicos> oh wait lol
L416[09:14:20] <admicos> i already have #error
L417[09:14:25] <S3> ahahahahahah
L418[09:14:49] <admicos> #undef is done
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L420[09:16:02] <Magik6k> admicos, did you know of lcpp? http://mpt.magik6k.net/file/lcpp/usr/lib/lcpp.lua
L421[09:16:09] <admicos> nope
L422[09:16:10] <Magik6k> raw: http://mpt.magik6k.net/api/file/lcpp/usr/lib/lcpp.lua
L423[09:16:37] <Magik6k> It's full preprocessor and probably does some wore things
L424[09:16:38] <Magik6k> :p
L425[09:17:06] <Magik6k> you do local rawcode = lcpp.compileFile(args[1], nil, nil, nil, true) and it does it's magic
L426[09:17:58] <Magik6k> Just saying it exists, alternatives are allways good
L427[09:18:06] <admicos> wait is this for C or is it "like" C?
L428[09:18:28] <Magik6k> For anything it doesn't conflict with
L429[09:18:47] <Magik6k> I used it for my assembler for redstone computers
L430[09:18:53] <Magik6k> http://mpt.magik6k.net/file/rasm/usr/bin/rasm.lua
L431[09:19:03] <admicos> oh yeah i kinda derped for a sec there
L432[09:19:36] <admicos> btw my preprocessor uses itself to be compatible with OC.
L433[09:19:41] <admicos> basically it's all defines
L434[09:19:48] <Magik6k> heh, nice
L435[09:20:08] <admicos> it's here if you want to see it https://github.com/Admicos/luapp/blob/develop/luapp.lua
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L438[09:20:30] <S3> msgpack is fast enough for OC :D
L439[09:21:01] <S3> Magik6k: what's new?
L440[09:21:19] <S3> I've decided to stop worrying so much about packing my network stuff byte by byte
L441[09:21:25] <S3> and I'm working on just letting msgpack do all of it
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L443[09:21:43] <S3> it seems to be quite fast enough for MC without luajit
L444[09:24:10] <S3> Magik6k: if all works well, serialization of msgpack structures inside of msgpack structures should work too for encapsulation, without causing mischief
L445[09:24:20] <S3> but so far tests are great
L446[09:25:12] <Magik6k> I just use IP standard, would do some more things on it but I have no time for OC lately
L447[09:25:31] <S3> ip is easy
L448[09:25:32] <Magik6k> I'm thinking or Porting LuPI to bare x86/efi
L449[09:25:38] <S3> especially ipv4
L450[09:25:45] <Magik6k> Both are easy
L451[09:25:54] <S3> I'm moving my ATM library to msgpack though
L452[09:26:09] <S3> and ATM will give us PNNI and IP can be routed through them
L453[09:26:12] <S3> PNNI is like OSPF
L454[09:26:21] <S3> but less .. hairy
L455[09:26:47] <Magik6k> I did RIPv2 in OC, OSPF has weird RFCs
L456[09:26:53] <Magik6k> and long
L457[09:27:07] <S3> so you could have a little ip network and then use an ATM Switch to make a WAN link between your town on your server to somebody else's town on their server if that makes sense
L458[09:27:33] <Magik6k> PPPoA :p
L459[09:27:37] <S3> not much different from how it works in the US, much of the US uses ATM / SONET anyways stuff
L460[09:27:40] <S3> still*
L461[09:28:09] <S3> not very surprising considering that it costs $$$$$ to move everything over and most of that is time investment
L462[09:28:23] <S3> yeah PPPoA is possible
L463[09:28:36] <S3> what you gonna do? give everyone DSL? :P
L464[09:28:45] <Magik6k> heh
L465[09:28:52] <Magik6k> DSL in minecraft
L466[09:29:28] <S3> One thing I am doing that isn't very nerve settling in the IP world is LRN support
L467[09:29:30] <Magik6k> New offer: 2pps symmetric line for just 10diax/month!
L468[09:30:32] <S3> so in MC with ATM everyone's switches may have IDC addresses, but all end machines have ISDN telephone numbers, and the number is portable
L469[09:30:32] <S3> allowing for robots to move between towers, et
L470[09:30:44] <S3> LOL
L471[09:31:04] <S3> symmetric is only possible virtually with OC
L472[09:31:16] <S3> since there's no such thing as truly full duplex
L473[09:31:52] <S3> at least in the lua threading world
L474[09:32:58] <S3> msgpack may be useful for more than just network serialization, but also storage formats
L475[09:33:11] <Magik6k> I wish ARM boards had easier bare-bone development
L476[09:33:22] <S3> Magik6k: try the STM32 series
L477[09:33:42] <S3> I have an STM32L476VG DISCO
L478[09:34:09] <S3> it's a great platform for low level ARM development with tons of features and thorough documentation and reference manuals to every register, etc
L479[09:34:22] <Magik6k> But it's not as common as say RPi, and I'm not really keen on developing hardware to emulate OC
L480[09:34:27] <S3> and it's 20 bucks
L481[09:34:34] <S3> hm
L482[09:34:39] <Magik6k> But I have to admit that'd be pretty cool
L483[09:34:47] <S3> I've thought of that
L484[09:35:18] <S3> i'd be cool to 3D print computer cases and component cables that are say i^2c busses or something
L485[09:35:29] <S3> maybe magnetic cabling
L486[09:35:29] <Magik6k> yup
L487[09:37:49] <Magik6k> What is really needed is only ability to run Lua, ~8M Ram, something to use preferably USB keyboard(and maybe mouse), (touch)screen and Ethernet support + I2C for components
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L489[09:38:26] <Magik6k> I tried barebone on RPi but it's a bit too hard
L490[09:38:39] <Magik6k> Mainly USB support is
L491[09:38:44] <S3> you really need to send in an RFI form for that
L492[09:38:57] <S3> because broadcom is a shitr
L493[09:39:05] <S3> and they dont want people to know where everything is mapped
L494[09:39:16] <S3> the rpi is so proprietary :(
L495[09:39:22] <Magik6k> it is
L496[09:39:36] <S3> I have a beaglebone, it may be easier to do bare bones stuff with that
L497[09:39:46] <S3> but I never looked too much into it
L498[09:39:50] <S3> beaglebone black that is
L499[09:40:09] <S3> Magik6k: you could look into using an ATMega
L500[09:40:18] <S3> or an MSG430 if you want a very tiny system
L501[09:40:29] <S3> MSP430 *
L502[09:40:44] <S3> but MSP430 is .. well it may not be able to load a Lua interpreter, even micro lua
L503[09:40:57] <S3> my MSP430 only has either 256 or 512 bytes of ram
L504[09:41:03] <Magik6k> most ATMegas are too small, maybe those 32bit would work(I only touched 8bit ones)
L505[09:41:24] <S3> I have an ATMega324
L506[09:41:37] <S3> it seems to have enough to run microlua I thought
L507[09:43:00] <S3> If you really wanted a challenge an ATTiny may be accomplishable
L508[09:43:44] <S3> Magik6k: what about a 65816? XD
L509[09:43:45] <Magik6k> Those could be used for i2c components, but not for full computer
L510[09:43:52] <S3> they still manufacture them
L511[09:43:56] <Magik6k> hmm
L512[09:44:04] <S3> plus up to 24MB of ram
L513[09:44:07] <Magik6k> or embedded i386
L514[09:44:21] <S3> that may be too much
L515[09:44:53] <S3> if you could get muicrolua on it, one of the more robust M68000 variants may do the trick?
L516[09:45:01] <S3> some of those were REALLY powerful
L517[09:45:12] <S3> they ran mainframes of that shit
L518[09:45:35] <S3> I dunno fi the m68000s are still manufactured
L519[09:45:39] <Magik6k> Something 32bit would be better imo
L520[09:45:41] <S3> I assume the FPGA code is somewhere..
L521[09:45:49] <S3> 68000s are 32 bit
L522[09:45:59] <Magik6k> LuPI is aready very slow on RPi
L523[09:46:33] <S3> haha
L524[09:46:47] <S3> port lua to verilog?
L525[09:46:50] <S3> put on FPGA
L526[09:46:58] <Magik6k> ohboi
L527[09:47:03] <S3> ASICOC
L528[09:47:05] <S3> XD
L529[09:47:16] <S3> it'd be faster than OC on single player XD
L530[09:47:23] <Magik6k> heh
L531[09:47:40] <admicos> just implemented __FILE__ and __LINE__ defines to my preprocessor!
L532[09:48:31] <S3> lol
L533[09:49:53] <S3> man msgpack is beautiful
L534[09:49:57] <Magik6k> That's not bad: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/motorola-68000
L535[09:50:20] <S3> Magik6k: that's a cmos one
L536[09:50:36] <S3> if you're looking for 6502 / 657816s then you'd want WDC's FPGA based ones
L537[09:50:54] <S3> WDC will actually build you 500 core 6502 ASICs
L538[09:50:55] <S3> lol lol
L539[09:51:01] <S3> why you'd want that I dunno
L540[09:51:08] <Magik6k> heh
L541[09:51:14] <Magik6k> GPU accel
L542[09:51:35] <S3> I don't think m68000s have a lua port
L543[09:51:41] <S3> that's an issue
L544[09:51:49] <Magik6k> But those were 8/16bit?
L545[09:52:20] <S3> 32
L546[09:52:30] <S3> they had 8/16/32
L547[09:52:33] <Magik6k> Dunno, that's why I'd rather go with x86, it still seems to be the simplest choice for low-level
L548[09:52:52] <S3> some of them didn't have full 32 bit support, some variants did
L549[09:52:53] <Magik6k> Usless there is some EFI port for other platforms
L550[09:53:05] <Magik6k> *Unless
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L552[09:53:12] <S3> hmm
L553[09:53:14] <S3> lua UEFI?
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L555[09:53:32] <S3> https://firmwaresecurity.com/2015/05/28/lua-for-uefi/
L556[09:53:36] <Magik6k> Nah, like ARM UEFI
L557[09:53:49] <S3> ah
L558[09:53:57] <S3> I didn't know ARM supported EFI?
L559[09:54:10] <Magik6k> EFI is just software
L560[09:54:19] <S3> yeah I suppose
L561[09:54:53] <Magik6k> So it's a question whether someone implemented UEFI on RPi
L562[09:55:32] <S3> I thought that EFI was really just an API in firmware, which means still arch dependent
L563[09:55:44] <S3> with likewise made sense to replace the BIOS
L564[09:56:08] <S3> I know there's a little more to it than that but
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L566[09:56:51] <S3> yeah, if someone ported EFI you could just boot the EFI software from say uboot
L567[09:57:42] <Magik6k> Ah, they did it in U-Boot apparently: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2016-February/244378.html
L568[09:58:02] <Magik6k> I'll have to read more on UEFI then
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L570[09:58:39] <S3> may not be available for Uboot on ARM
L571[09:58:57] <S3> uboot is however my favorite boot loader
L572[09:59:01] <S3> even if it is quite complicated
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L574[09:59:11] <S3> its a lot less bulky than say grub
L575[09:59:22] <S3> and more powerful than syslinux / lilo
L576[09:59:23] <Magik6k> It works for ARM
L577[09:59:27] <S3> cool
L578[09:59:45] <Magik6k> http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/08/11/u-boot-now-supports-uefi-on-32-bit-and-64-bit-arm-platforms/
L579[10:00:58] <S3> I like how I can just be like, hey, listen on the serial port for a file, and then load that file into 0xwhatever, and then execute it
L580[10:01:03] <S3> in uboot
L581[10:01:20] <S3> It's how I'v;e been debugging openwrt on my mips router
L582[10:01:46] <S3> it came with uboot preinstalled so I can just load kernels using the ymodem file transfer protocol over serial with uboot
L583[10:01:55] <S3> if it doesn't work, just reboot and try another build
L584[10:02:05] <S3> unbrickable :D
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L586[10:03:12] <Magik6k> I had dlink router with uboot, having serial pins is pretty convenient
L587[10:03:31] <Magik6k> I put dd-wrt on it an openwrt was too big for it
L588[10:03:56] <Lizzy> i thought you said you had to drink a router
L589[10:04:46] <Magik6k> And now I have MikroTik router that's pretty locked up(it's open once you agree to lose RouterOS License)
L590[10:05:43] <S3> have you used ltn12?
L591[10:05:56] <S3> I was just looking at it, it's.. I'm not quite sure what the point is but heh
L592[10:06:05] <S3> besides filter pipelines
L593[10:06:12] <Magik6k> haven't heard of it so probably no..
L594[10:06:15] <S3> ok
L595[10:06:32] <S3> it's supported with msgpack and useful for filehandle operations
L596[10:06:42] <S3> buffer queues, etc
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L599[10:07:42] <S3> my only problem with openwrt is that the interface shows up in the router but doesn't work
L600[10:07:48] <S3> not sure wtf is going on
L601[10:08:03] <Magik6k> OpenWrt is weird
L602[10:08:17] <Magik6k> Seems hacky in many places
L603[10:08:37] <S3> the netgear router comes preinstalled with openwrt but it's stripped down and doesn't have the package manager, etc
L604[10:11:13] <S3> did anyone work on a UEFI eeprom for OC? if not I'll start on that
L605[10:11:18] <S3> see if I can't get GPT to work..
L606[10:11:22] <S3> not today but soon
L607[10:11:28] <Magik6k> I did
L608[10:11:31] <S3> you did!
L609[10:11:38] <S3> I know you were doing GPT stuff
L610[10:11:50] <S3> what does it use for a partition type?
L611[10:11:52] <S3> VFAT?
L612[10:11:54] <Magik6k> http://mpt.magik6k.net/file/newboot/boot/kernel/newboot
L613[10:12:03] <Magik6k> No, Lua blob partition
L614[10:12:22] <S3> that works
L615[10:13:18] <S3> oh man almost 4K
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L617[10:17:43] <S3> Magik6k: only thing is, it doesn't look like it supports a registry of efi boot signatures
L618[10:17:48] <S3> like efi firmware does
L619[10:19:01] <Magik6k> It's 4K of Lua 5.2, what did you expect? :p
L620[10:19:06] <S3> right
L621[10:19:30] <S3> I might try and make a smaller one at some point, but man that looks pretty packed as it is
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L626[10:37:45] <Inari> Forecaster: woo
L627[10:37:46] <Inari> 3081/tick
L628[10:38:07] <Forecaster> did you buy more space?
L629[10:38:10] <Inari> Nope
L630[10:38:47] <Inari> I renovated xD http://akari.in/pinky_EmDcr
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L632[10:40:03] <Forecaster> ah, you've upgraded the plastic factories
L633[10:40:07] <Forecaster> I haven't done that yet
L634[10:40:15] <Inari> Yup :£
L635[10:40:18] <Inari> * :3
L636[10:41:37] <Forecaster> I'm just sitting at 3040 right now
L637[10:41:46] <Inari> Psh! :p
L638[10:42:15] <Forecaster> hm, oil upgrade is 300%
L639[10:42:24] <Forecaster> that means that they'll produce 6 oil each
L640[10:42:56] <Forecaster> upgraded factories would need 8
L641[10:43:52] <Forecaster> if you have 2 factories share 3 oils you'd have 2 extra...
L642[10:43:53] <Forecaster> >:
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L644[10:45:11] <ade129> FINALLY got the bloody Chinese input working
L645[10:45:25] <Forecaster> if you have 3 factories share 4 oils it works out
L646[10:45:40] <Inari> Yeah, they don't scale as nicely later on xD
L647[10:45:59] <ade129> *slightly facepalms* I need another font... 㗎 is not showing up
L648[10:46:11] <Forecaster> that shows up for me :P
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L650[10:46:24] <Inari> Try normal chinese input. Bloody is just advanced ritual stuff, its more slippery
L651[10:46:33] <ade129> No
L652[10:46:43] <Forecaster> I have Courier New
L653[10:46:51] <Forecaster> apparently
L654[10:50:56] <ade129> I should've just used handwriting input which may cause actual blood from the fatigue (Imagine writing each letter in print for English. Now add up the fact that each words take up around 20~30 strokes in mandarin and then throw Cantonese which has even more complicated characters and you'll have a lot of swearing)
L655[10:51:21] <Forecaster> sounds terrible
L656[10:51:47] <ade129> Yea
L657[10:52:09] <ade129> Why do we even use a logographic writing system (other than the fact that it looks amazing)
L658[11:01:19] <Forecaster> because it's established :P
L659[11:02:32] <Forecaster> yay 400 million
L660[11:02:35] <Forecaster> just 600 left
L661[11:02:56] <Forecaster> should be done in 7.8 hours ;_;
L662[11:03:10] <Forecaster> it's not enough time D:
L663[11:08:58] <ade129> “Established” Basically the reason that there are around 3037 versions of the same package lying in all linux repositories
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L670[12:35:30] <|0xiforgot|> Prick bot silenced me
L671[12:35:38] <Lizzy> no
L672[12:35:51] <Lizzy> the bot did not silence you
L673[12:37:32] <|0xiforgot|> My nick's something along the lines of 0x215 but I forgot the numbers and frankly don't want to sign in on this network
L674[12:37:41] <gamax92> okay bye won't be missed
L675[12:39:24] <Lizzy> I wasn't questioning your choice of nicks, i was merely stating that it wasn't MichiBot who silenced you
L676[12:40:20] <|0xiforgot|> So I'm interested in the key/char codes of keys but don't have easy access to a OpenComputers installation to check. Is there any char I can look at? The forums obviously blocks attempts to search both key and code :(
L677[12:41:01] <gamax92> there's a general lwjgl key map you can find, hold on
L678[12:41:23] <gamax92> |0xiforgot|: http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Key_codes
L679[12:41:54] <|0xiforgot|> Thank you. I'm coding off my normal site.
L680[12:42:22] <|0xiforgot|> Frankly just surprised this wasn't blocked by the firewall.
L681[12:42:30] <Lizzy> eh?
L682[12:42:36] <gamax92> |0xiforgot|: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/lib/keyboard.lua
L683[12:42:38] <|0xiforgot|> Oh hey look Gamepedia is blocked :( Tor it is.
L684[12:42:52] <Lizzy> |0xiforgot|, are you in work/school or something?
L685[12:43:08] <|0xiforgot|> Filthy place of learning.
L686[12:43:11] <gamax92> oh ... payonel changed the location of that.
L687[12:43:30] <gamax92> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/openos/lib/tools/keyboard_full.lua
L688[12:44:07] <|0xiforgot|> Yeah I decided to suck it up and actually finally write the I/O functions.
L689[12:48:23] <Inari> #BlamePayonel
L690[12:48:48] <|0xiforgot|> Or in my case #BlameBFG
L691[12:49:17] <payonel> o/
L692[12:49:26] <Inari> BFG?
L693[12:49:26] <payonel> Inari: -_-
L694[12:49:36] <Inari> payonel: ? :D
L695[12:49:44] <payonel> i made a lot of crap changes to openos to reduce memory cost
L696[12:49:46] <payonel> i'm very sorry
L697[12:49:47] <Mettaton_Fab> Big fucking gun?
L698[12:50:12] <payonel> on of the changes like that was the keyboard library
L699[12:50:22] <gamax92> BFG, it's a tool that destroys your git repo
L700[12:50:26] <payonel> |0xiforgot|: what are you trying to do?
L701[12:50:38] <Inari> payonel: You seem to be taking that too serious :P
L702[12:50:39] <payonel> oh i see your q now
L703[12:50:49] <payonel> Inari: no, i'm not :)
L704[12:51:06] <payonel> i'm playing along
L705[12:51:07] <Inari> #BlameSangar \o/
L706[12:51:19] <Inari> Mentioning that
L707[12:51:21] <Inari> wheres Sangar
L708[12:51:40] <|0xiforgot|> I leaked some internal information (and Sangar's bios don't hurt me) into a few git commits. I used BFG to purge it before they went public.
L709[12:52:01] <payonel> he's working a lot more than he used to
L710[12:52:03] <Inari> ?
L711[12:52:11] <payonel> |0xiforgot|: "sangar's bios" ?
L712[12:52:16] <Inari> what "internal infomation" and waht do you mean wiht bios XD
L713[12:52:19] <|0xiforgot|> "There was an issue communiating with your Captcha provider"
L714[12:53:00] <|0xiforgot|> I dumped the Lua eeprom and actidentally included it in the repository along with some private plans/instructions to other collaborators of which may not be implemented in a long tim.
L715[12:53:49] <Michiyo> o/ gamax92
L716[12:53:51] <Inari> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/lua/bios.lua that one ?.?
L717[12:53:58] <gamax92> hey Michiyo
L718[12:54:05] <|0xiforgot|> Yeah
L719[12:54:09] <|0xiforgot|> Probably
L720[12:54:21] <|0xiforgot|> Yeah that one Inari
L721[12:54:49] <Lizzy> so you 'leaked' a file that is licensed under MIT and is already freely available? wow
L722[12:55:03] <|0xiforgot|> I'd prefer not to redistribute it
L723[12:55:12] <|0xiforgot|> Especially since it had no relation to my project
L724[12:57:16] <|0xiforgot|> So my FN key. That maps. To what? :)
L725[12:57:50] <Lizzy> probably nothing since it's most likely internal to your keyboard
L726[12:58:16] <gamax92> yeah that won't show up on your os
L727[12:58:19] <|0xiforgot|> It's internal as far as recognized by OEM Windows copy but not Linux.
L728[12:58:35] <payonel> |0xiforgot|: found it: is:issue 8d9c
L729[12:58:37] <payonel> derp
L730[12:58:44] <payonel> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Key_codes
L731[12:58:47] <payonel> that's what i meant to paste ^
L732[12:58:49] <gamax92> payonel: ;D
L733[12:59:07] <|0xiforgot|> Payonel gamax beat you to it by many minutes
L734[12:59:15] <gamax92> I do not beat people
L735[12:59:21] <payonel> %flip gamax92
L736[12:59:21] <MichiBot> payonel: (╯°□°）╯ⵒ6xɐɯɐɓ
L737[12:59:45] <Mettaton_Fab> %flip flip
L738[12:59:45] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: (╯°□°）╯dılɟ
L739[12:59:49] <|0xiforgot|> FN = 196
L740[13:00:08] <|0xiforgot|> %flip ⵒ6xɐɯɐɓ
L741[13:00:08] <MichiBot> |0xiforgot|: (╯°□°）╯gamax92
L742[13:00:16] <|0xiforgot|> I righted you! :)
L743[13:00:31] <Mettaton_Fab> wait , did you flip him twice?
L744[13:01:07] <|0xiforgot|> I flipped the flip... is that dangerous to the state of the universe?
L745[13:01:26] <|0xiforgot|> 25% bat remaining flip all the switches!
L746[13:01:38] <|0xiforgot|> 10% bat = 25min
L747[13:01:47] <|0xiforgot|> 10% ~= 25%
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L749[13:04:04] <Mettaton_Fab> %flip Lindows
L750[13:04:04] <MichiBot> Mettaton_Fab: (╯°□°）╯sʍopuı˥
L751[13:04:23] <gamax92> payonel: http://i.imgur.com/5kASOjx.png
L752[13:07:10] <Mettaton_Fab> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linspire
L753[13:07:17] <Mettaton_Fab> dis b lindows.
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L757[13:12:56] <Inari> Forecaster: I gave up on research for now in favour of money \o/
L758[13:21:47] <payonel> gamax92: what is that?
L759[13:22:37] <gamax92> payonel: not sure what to call it, but it's a thing
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L761[13:36:33] <Mettaton_Fab> kde, gnome, xfce or xlde? which is better?
L762[13:42:34] <Lizzy> i3
L763[13:43:41] <Mettaton_Fab> for openSUSE 42.1 leap.
L764[13:44:03] <Michiyo> xfce :p
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L766[13:51:18] <Mettaton_Fab> i went for kde.
L767[13:51:31] <Mettaton_Fab> i know it from knoppix.
L768[13:53:30] <Mettaton_Fab> version 3.7 from an old cd from a compute magazine here in germany.
L769[13:53:37] <Mettaton_Fab> *computer
L770[13:53:46] <gamax92> Mettaton_Fab: why not just install knoppix?
L771[13:54:11] <Mettaton_Fab> i dont know how, cuz theres no install optoin!
L772[13:54:21] <Mettaton_Fab> wanna have the disk?
L773[13:54:34] <Mettaton_Fab> i found it inside of an old cd drive.
L774[13:54:42] <gamax92> no, I can just get it online.
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L776[13:59:13] <|0x21524110|> My Ghost-Pi is scaring me
L777[14:00:14] <|0x21524110|> It's possessed
L778[14:00:52] <|0x21524110|> Now that it's no long a hand warmer it still is freaking out and not reading SD card completely
L779[14:03:06] <Mettaton_Fab> put it in the oven.
L780[14:03:21] <Mettaton_Fab> might help.
L781[14:05:44] <|0x21524110|> Gotta go unplug it incase it overheats again
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L785[14:06:30] <Mettaton_Fab> maybe put it in the freezer for a day or so?
L786[14:06:44] <Mettaton_Fab> in a vacuum-sealed plastic bag.#
L787[14:09:24] <admicos> is there a syntax highlighting code editor for oc?
L788[14:12:13] <|0x21524110|> Doesn't help my damn canakit uSD to USB broke.
L789[14:14:51] <|0x21524110|> Fun fact: CNN's website has Michigan as "Processing"
L790[14:18:37] <Mettaton_Fab> put that thing in the oven for around 5 minutes.
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L792[14:29:34] <Mettaton_Fab> openSUSE runs good enough for me.
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L794[14:31:42] <|0x21524110|> Did my last message get sent?
L795[14:34:10] <|0x21524110|> One second gotta DC my wifi card to see if I can detect this pI
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L800[14:37:49] <|0x21524110|> Get GHOSTED
L801[14:41:04] <|0x21524110|> "The dedicated processor on the GPU" Why? "This processor has more smarts" Wtf?
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L803[14:44:14] <Mettaton_Fab> a gpu is one or more dedicated processors
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L805[14:45:56] <|0x21524110|> Well christ my wifi is dying
L806[14:46:15] <|0x21524110|> Not sure what the error is might be SDRAM so I'll flash a linux recovery disk and be on my way :)
L807[14:50:16] <20kdc> ...potential OpenComputers architecture? https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_cdc160084be160ComputerJun61_10453497
L808[14:51:34] <|0x21524110|> Possibly
L809[14:53:04] <20kdc> ...uh, I'm joking. Mostly. There isn't enough RAM in the machine design. Well, paging could be patched in. And 12-bit + 11-bit (assuming half of RAM is the page buffer, and half is the 'common' set) would leave more than enough room for any amount of memory a user can put in a computer case.
L810[14:53:40] <Michiyo> well arches can define how much each tier of RAM provides, iirc
L811[14:54:02] <20kdc> I'm pretty sure the item descriptions say "1MB" and such.
L812[14:54:33] <20kdc> (Though 1MB is less than 1MW. Specifically, 1W == 1.5B.)
L813[14:55:28] <Michiyo> I'm still pretty sure it's an option for the arch. the item's may say 1MB, but the arch can make that into 100, 1000 etc
L814[14:55:51] <20kdc> Would be a bit dishonest not to give the player what they mined for, though ?
L815[14:56:09] <20kdc> In any case, paging would resolve the issue
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L817[14:58:14] <20kdc> Going through the numbers, I suggest 682-word pages, because that gives 1023 bytes.
L818[14:58:29] <20kdc> Wait, no, unlucky number.
L819[14:58:47] <20kdc> 1364-word pages.
L820[14:58:56] <20kdc> 1364-word pages (gives 2046 bytes)
L821[14:59:42] <20kdc> ...or just go with 2000-word pages and claim you're using the same measurements hard disk manufacturers use.
L822[14:59:51] <20kdc> ...or just go with 2000-word (3000 byte) pages and claim you're using the same measurements hard disk manufacturers use.
L823[15:00:27] <20kdc> But 3000-byte won't divide into 1000000 well.
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L826[15:02:46] <20kdc> ...ok, you know what, I'm thinking "just pretend word == byte for memory size purposes"
L827[15:03:15] <20kdc> Players put in 1M of something and get 1M values at their disposal, end-of.
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L829[15:06:20] <admicos> does anyone know where to add my repository to oppm?
L830[15:07:27] * Michiyo pokes Vexatos
L831[15:07:32] <Michiyo> Paging Vexatos
L832[15:07:46] <gamax92> Calling Vexatos ... ring ring ... ring ring ...
L833[15:07:49] <gm|and> calling all Vexatos
L834[15:07:59] <gm|and> actually i know how to call him
L835[15:08:00] <Michiyo> %p Vexatos
L836[15:08:01] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Vexatos 0.36s
L837[15:08:26] <gm|and> Vexatös
L838[15:08:34] <Michiyo> I miss the script I had for PC-Logix IRC when we had pretenduser installed
L839[15:08:37] <gm|and> that'll drag him in in an instant
L840[15:08:45] <Michiyo> I could ping someone from every user in the current channel
L841[15:08:59] <Mettaton_Fab> do it maybe?
L842[15:09:07] <Mettaton_Fab> or not?
L843[15:09:34] <Mettaton_Fab> i dunno, i just installed linux on my p4 machine.
L844[15:09:56] <Michiyo> I kinda wanna make a pseudo server link it to my network just so I can have that feature back :P
L845[15:14:47] <Mettaton_Fab> anything funn< i can do with openSUSe with no internet?
L846[15:14:58] <Mettaton_Fab> *funny
L847[15:15:08] <gm|and> sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
L848[15:15:52] <gm|and> although if you want something to try, try copying a program by manually typing it in
L849[15:16:11] <gm|and> moslo is something like ~800 bytes and it's still hell to copy by hand
L850[15:17:26] <gm|and> which reminds me of that time Quantum P uploaded a ZZT game to the internet by using qbasic, a checksummer, and manually copying it from one computer to another by typing it in byte by byte
L851[15:17:51] <gm|and> i don't remember exactly how big it is, i'm guessing about 100KB, but it took him a whole month
L852[15:19:21] <Mettaton_Fab> funny, not yearlong.
L853[15:19:37] <Mettaton_Fab> also, nothing destructive.
L854[15:21:44] <gm|and> without internet it gets kinda limited
L855[15:22:04] <gm|and> having said that if you're able to at least get a network connection or a USB stick into it later on, try coding a game or a demo
L856[15:22:33] <gm|and> or you could try implementing, say, hashlife, but you kinda want to get some premade patterns onto it anyway
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L858[15:22:58] <gm|and> a great game to implement is hunt the wumpus
L859[15:23:04] <gm|and> multiplayer version of course
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L861[15:24:02] <Mettaton_Fab> i cant even program.
L862[15:24:18] <Mettaton_Fab> i only understan the most simple of html.
L863[15:24:20] <gm|and> there's a wonderful tutorial called "think python"
L864[15:24:42] <gm|and> yes i'm also aware of a tutorial called "python the hard way" and i can tell you it fucking sucks
L865[15:25:12] <gm|and> i still need to write that C tutorial i need to write
L866[15:25:32] <20kdc> if it's called "python the hard way", I think I would expect it not to be a good tutorial
L867[15:25:54] <gm|and> i'm thinking i could do it in such a way that you'd basically remake the unix userland
L868[15:26:00] <gm|and> your first program: true
L869[15:26:13] <gm|and> int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { return 0; }
L870[15:26:50] <Mettaton_Fab> well, tomorrow imma install openSUSe on my laptop.
L871[15:26:55] <Vexatos> Michiyo, hi ._.
L872[15:27:00] <gm|and> thinking "yes" would be a good program to implement as well
L873[15:27:04] <Michiyo> Heya!
L874[15:27:11] <Michiyo> Someone was looking for some oppm help
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L876[15:27:15] <|0x21524110|> I was snuggling my cat when the sun decided to go all thermonuclear on my ass outside the windoe
L877[15:27:22] <Vexatos> admicos, hi ._.
L878[15:27:48] <20kdc> gm|and: TIL that "yes minister" is a usable, if insane, thing to type into a shell
L879[15:27:49] <gm|and> int main(int argc, char *argv[]) const char *yes = (argc <= 1 ? "y" : argv[1]); for(;;) { puts(yes); } return 0; }
L880[15:28:11] <gm|and> this year i learnt that "yes minister" is also a fantastic programme
L881[15:28:18] <admicos> Vexatos can you add my repo to oppm?
L882[15:28:18] <vifino> lol, i read that for as fork
L883[15:28:25] <vifino> made me shudder :D
L884[15:28:37] <|0x21524110|> This is pissing me off
L885[15:28:39] <gm|and> vifino: perl -e 'fork while fork'
L886[15:28:45] <gm|and> tip, don't do that
L887[15:28:46] <Vexatos> admicos, which repo?
L888[15:28:52] <admicos> https://github.com/Admicos/oc-oppm-repo
L889[15:28:59] <|0x21524110|> My OTP is set to not boot USB but I can't access my SD card to set the OTP
L890[15:29:14] <Vexatos> admicos, the last time I added a non-OpenPrograms repo, the author managed to break programs.cfg within a week and it took a month for him to fix it
L891[15:29:16] <20kdc> gm|and: flaw: apparently "yes minister sir" will give "minister sir", suggesting it outputs argv[1..(argc - 1)]
L892[15:29:19] <Vexatos> so I might just at any time remove it again
L893[15:29:31] <Vexatos> Unless you give me access to that repo
L894[15:29:37] <Vexatos> or transfer it to OpenPrograms
L895[15:29:46] <Vexatos> got it?
L896[15:29:47] <admicos> sure i think i can transfer it to openprograms
L897[15:29:51] <gm|and> which could be used as an introduction to strcat
L898[15:29:55] <Vexatos> and you read http://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:program:oppm
L899[15:29:57] <gm|and> wait actually, not strcat
L900[15:29:57] <Vexatos> ?
L901[15:30:00] <admicos> yes
L902[15:30:07] <Vexatos> good
L903[15:30:14] <20kdc> gm|and: though you can safely completely ignore the GNU nonsense where "yes --help" is actually a thing, despite it meaning that you have to escape strings beginning with --
L904[15:30:27] <Mettaton_Fab> you all can code, and i can only format text in html.
L905[15:30:31] <20kdc> (using "--")
L906[15:30:33] <gm|and> for(int i = 1; i < argc; i++) { printf("%s%c", argv[i], i==argc-1?'\n':' '); }
L907[15:30:45] <Vexatos> admicos, well if you want to transfer it, I'll invite you
L908[15:30:51] <admicos> sure
L909[15:31:00] <20kdc> gm|and: that ought to work, and then you can go on later to repeat the example "with efficiency"
L910[15:31:04] <gm|and> oh i will definitely be ignoring GNU bullshit
L911[15:31:07] <20kdc> when you introduce malloc
L912[15:31:14] <gm|and> yes
L913[15:31:22] <Vexatos> admicos, visit https://github.com/OpenPrograms and accept
L914[15:31:26] <Vexatos> then you'll be able to transfer the repo
L915[15:31:35] <Vexatos> go to your repo settings
L916[15:31:41] <gm|and> oh hey it's Vexatös
L917[15:31:42] <20kdc> seriously, though, why does GNU think it's a good idea to have a program with no actual useful options have the --help and --version options
L918[15:31:47] <Vexatos> at the very bottom there's two buttons, "delete" and "transfer"
L919[15:31:56] <gm|and> @20kdc because "consistency"
L920[15:31:57] <Vexatos> gm|and, that actually pings me
L921[15:32:02] <gm|and> \:D/
L922[15:32:35] <gm|and> i wonder if the combining diaeresis/umlaut version works, can't test on handroib though
L923[15:33:00] <admicos> ok who should have access Vexatos
L924[15:33:04] <20kdc> oh well. pinging people too often results in death anyway
L925[15:33:19] <Vexatos> admicos, don't enable anything
L926[15:33:23] <admicos> ok
L927[15:33:32] <Vexatos> that way, it's only you and me
L928[15:33:38] <Mettaton_Fab> which is the easiest programming language for beginners?
L929[15:33:39] <admicos> should be done
L930[15:33:44] <Vexatos> and I won't mess with it unless it's for fixing oppm
L931[15:33:45] <gm|and> Mettaton_Fab: C
L932[15:33:46] <admicos> https://github.com/OpenPrograms/admicos-oppm
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L934[15:33:53] <gm|and> ...in reality though there's a lot of options
L935[15:33:59] <Mettaton_Fab> anything easier?
L936[15:34:01] <gm|and> python teaches you to indent your code
L937[15:34:05] <gm|and> ruby's fairly decent though
L938[15:34:10] <Vexatos> admicos, fixed https://github.com/OpenPrograms/admicos-Programs
L939[15:34:12] <gm|and> but doesn't teach you to indent your code
L940[15:34:17] <gm|and> if you want a classic i started out in qbasic
L941[15:34:53] <Mettaton_Fab> is there a BASIC interpreter in any os built-in?
L942[15:35:00] <gm|and> highly unlikely
L943[15:35:08] <gm|and> seriously just use python
L944[15:35:15] <gm|and> and read "think python"
L945[15:35:37] <gm|and> the official python tutorial is a better choice if you already know how to code
L946[15:35:42] <Vexatos> admicos, done
L947[15:35:47] <Mettaton_Fab> fuck, i need a c64 or something like that.
L948[15:35:48] <Vexatos> please test in-game whether it works >_>
L949[15:35:53] <admicos> thanks
L950[15:36:01] <gm|and> qbasic's a lot nicer than c64 basic
L951[15:36:11] <gm|and> for starters you at least have PSET
L952[15:36:17] <Mettaton_Fab> meh, imma keep it a html.
L953[15:36:24] <20kdc> Mettaton_Fab: Be careful about starting on BASIC. I know someone who now seems to have trouble learning anything other than *one* particular unextendable freeware BASIC.
L954[15:36:24] <gm|and> html is not a programming language
L955[15:36:30] <gm|and> that's like calling ms paint a programming language
L956[15:36:54] <gm|and> freebasic's a decent BASIC to start on if you really really want to start on a BASIC
L957[15:37:13] <20kdc> gm|and: Well, I guess it solves the "unextendable" problem at least.
L958[15:37:16] <gm|and> oh yeah, and please please please please please don't just start referring to things in all-caps unless you actually know they're acronyms
L959[15:37:21] <Mettaton_Fab> technically you program something in html.
L960[15:37:30] <gm|and> no you don't
L961[15:37:33] <gm|and> you write an HTML document
L962[15:37:53] <20kdc> Markdown: The Programming Language
L963[15:37:55] <Mettaton_Fab> well, then my teacher doesnt know it better.
L964[15:38:03] <gm|and> correct.
L965[15:38:09] <gm|and> by the way, reason i'm referring to BASIC in allcaps is because it's a fucking acronym
L966[15:38:17] <gm|and> Beginner's All-purpose Standard Instruction Code or something like that
L967[15:38:27] <gm|and> which is a load of shit as it's definitely not standard
L968[15:38:35] <gm|and> there's a lot of incompatible dialects
L969[15:38:51] <Mettaton_Fab> i could learn how to do .php things, but we dont learn that, because we are too low-intelligence.
L970[15:39:13] <gm|and> ...you might as well just learn PHP anyway, just be really really fucking careful with files
L971[15:39:37] <gm|and> PHP is something like Portable Home Page or whatever the first P is short for
L972[15:39:37] <gm|and> Personal Home Page?
L973[15:39:41] <Mettaton_Fab> i am a student of a secondary school.
L974[15:39:54] <gm|and> i learnt QBASIC when i was 9
L975[15:39:56] <Mettaton_Fab> something phyton or so.
L976[15:40:10] <gm|and> oh yeah, and the important one: Lua is the Portuguese word for moon
L977[15:40:28] <gm|and> but yeah, for PHP, do NOT enable register_globals unless you like to get hacked
L978[15:40:30] <Mettaton_Fab> lua-lua would be moon-moon?
L979[15:40:36] <gm|and> possibly
L980[15:41:31] <gm|and> the inconvenience of having to do $_GET['password'] instead of $password is much smaller than the inconvenience of someone doing ?logged_in=1
L981[15:41:56] <gm|and> ...plus that should be $_POST['password'] instead
L982[15:42:19] <gm|and> either way, these days for web development you need to know JavaScript
L983[15:42:39] <gm|and> which, by the way, is surprisingly different from Java despite them both being based on C syntax
L984[15:42:50] <Mettaton_Fab> so... im fucked in terms of knowledge?
L985[15:43:01] <gm|and> you're only fucked if you refuse to learn
L986[15:43:15] <Mettaton_Fab> i want to learn, but its so hard!
L987[15:43:16] <gm|and> opensuse probably has python installed
L988[15:43:36] <gm|and> s/want to learn/want to get a job/
L989[15:43:36] <MichiBot> <Mettaton_Fab> i want to get a job, but its so hard!
L990[15:43:49] <gm|and> let me put it this way
L991[15:43:49] <Mettaton_Fab> well, i could annoy my teacher with my vbs script.
L992[15:44:03] <gm|and> something being hard should not be a deterrent for you to do it
L993[15:44:09] <Mettaton_Fab> gm, i want both things.
L994[15:44:21] <gm|and> but honestly, getting a job is fucking hard
L995[15:44:41] <Mettaton_Fab> but it is, because schools gonna fuck me over if i dont concentrate at school.
L996[15:44:56] <gm|and> what things are you struggling to concentrate with
L997[15:45:18] <Mettaton_Fab> everything at school.
L998[15:45:26] <gm|and> i think the main problem students have at school wrt concentration or actually doing the damn work is it all feels completely fucking pointless at the time
L999[15:45:33] <Mettaton_Fab> i only go there cuz of free wifi.
L1000[15:45:49] <gm|and> s/cuz/because/
L1001[15:45:49] <MichiBot> <Mettaton_Fab> i only go there because of free wifi.
L1002[15:45:54] <gm|and> let's start with that
L1003[15:46:00] <Mettaton_Fab> what do i need linear functions for?
L1004[15:46:02] <gm|and> actually on the other hand that was kinda rude of me
L1005[15:46:42] <Mettaton_Fab> the math ones.
L1006[15:46:57] <gm|and> Mettaton_Fab: you're in an IRC channel for a minecraft mod which adds computers to it
L1007[15:47:00] <Mettaton_Fab> also, binomic formulas or so.
L1008[15:47:19] <gm|and> when you hear the term "linear" in math, it usually translates to "this shit is actually pretty easy"... once you have your head around it
L1009[15:47:33] <gm|and> but it's all very relevant at least in game development
L1010[15:47:45] <Mettaton_Fab> i want to learn how to program, butr all i have is a crappy book on how to make windows apps in c#.
L1011[15:47:45] <Inari> "WARNING! Some game bugs and glitches occurs when your PC is running relatively long, so rebooting PC is highly recommended (every 2-4 hours seems okay)." riiiight
L1012[15:47:46] <gm|and> give me an example of a linear function problem
L1013[15:48:02] <gm|and> and yeah fuck that book, to be blunt you should probably learn javascript
L1014[15:48:16] <gm|and> ...yeah, just learn javascript
L1015[15:48:26] <gm|and> and some suitable backend language
L1016[15:48:33] <Mettaton_Fab> that book has a visual studio disc in it.
L1017[15:48:58] <Mettaton_Fab> thats the only valuable thing in it, or not.
L1018[15:49:00] <gm|and> basically, everything these days involves web dev and everything web dev requires javascript
L1019[15:49:24] <gm|and> OTOH on the backend things vary a lot
L1020[15:49:43] <Mettaton_Fab> i could use a program called EOS, with which i can do very simple stuff.
L1021[15:50:22] <gm|and> Java seems to be the main lang used on the backend, although you do see Python quite a bit, and Ruby not so much... C#? still pretty common
L1022[15:50:48] <gm|and> but the reason i separated that one out is because all the other things are typical of a linux-based server, and C# is typical of a windows-based server\
L1023[15:51:00] <gm|and> and the majority of servers run linux
L1024[15:51:12] <gm|and> basically, it's cheaper to run and you can customise it if you have to
L1025[15:51:34] <gm|and> oh yeah, javascript on the backend is also pretty common too
L1026[15:51:36] <Mettaton_Fab> well, i know my way around office programs, but im not able to learn programming at school becausei'm in french class.
L1027[15:51:58] <gm|and> office programs isn't programming... but it would be useful for a secretary role
L1028[15:52:03] <gm|and> ...and a lot of other roles too
L1029[15:52:22] <gm|and> the other language you won't be able to avoid is SQL, and to be honest i don't have much experience with it
L1030[15:52:30] <gm|and> but it's pretty easy to wing it
L1031[15:52:41] <Mettaton_Fab> i know how rto manipulate pictures, i know how to make a powerpoint, and i know how to use excel and word.
L1032[15:53:05] <Mettaton_Fab> all i learn at school in IT class.
L1033[15:53:06] <gm|and> DELETE FROM Users WHERE NAME LIKE "%tit%";
L1034[15:53:19] <gm|and> and suddenly everyone called "Letitia" disappears
L1035[15:54:22] <Mettaton_Fab> cant i just unplug the schools server?
L1036[15:54:24] <gm|and> two important piece of advice here. 1. word is often completely avoidable, e.g. if you are simply writing a letter, just put it into the body of your email
L1037[15:54:34] <Mettaton_Fab> i wanna fuck with the IT staff.
L1038[15:54:46] <gm|and> and 2. not everyone has word, so send a PDF, not a .docx, and DEFINITELY not a .doc
L1039[15:55:29] <gm|and> there are plenty of ways to fuck with the school systems and they double as plenty of ways to get banned from the computers and also into a lot of trouble
L1040[15:55:45] <gm|and> anyhow i've got stuff to do, cya
L1041[15:55:47] <Mettaton_Fab> i would only use .doc if i would have to use word, because people are more likely to have an older version of word, than be having a newer version.
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L1046[16:30:11] <Antheus> I need to look up how to thourghly clean my keyboard
L1047[16:30:20] <Antheus> 3 years of stuff that a can of compressed air can't get out
L1048[16:37:16] <Lizzy> %quote 76
L1049[16:37:17] <MichiBot> Lizzy: No quotes found for 76
L1050[16:37:20] <Lizzy> %quote #76
L1051[16:37:20] <MichiBot> Quote #76: <Lizzy> have you tried hitting it with a brick?
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L1054[16:39:10] * Izaya yawns
L1055[16:39:36] <Michiyo> lol Lizzy
L1056[16:40:02] <Antheus> Also can't remember the account that my family has the full MS Office thing on
L1057[16:40:03] <Antheus> ffs
L1058[16:40:20] <Izaya> eheheheh
L1059[16:40:35] <Izaya> "Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab" aka QuAIL
L1060[16:42:13] <Achai> Antheus: take the keyboard apart
L1061[16:42:26] <Achai> or raise it above your head upside down
L1062[16:49:41] <scj643> Finally got linux working
L1063[16:59:27] * Izaya sighs
L1064[16:59:36] <Izaya> Looks like my next laptop will cost at least $1k USD
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L1066[17:01:10] <Antheus> rip
L1067[17:01:22] <scj643> My laptop is $1k
L1068[17:01:44] <Izaya> Doesn't have a decent keyboard or a good design q_q
L1069[17:02:10] <Izaya> It looks solid enough and has good specs and good battery life though
L1070[17:03:43] <Antheus> what laptop is it
L1071[17:03:55] <Antheus> I'm starting to look into what to buy for when I move to college
L1072[17:04:21] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/SljjGeR.png it looks to suck slightly less than other options
L1073[17:05:34] <XDjackieXD> Izaya: does it at least have coreboot if it promotes itself as "protect digital life"?
L1074[17:05:50] <Izaya> XDjackieXD: I'm not 100% on that
L1075[17:06:00] <Izaya> I do know that it requires no nonfree firmware blobs though
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L1077[17:06:42] <XDjackieXD> well you need at least the binary blob for the SMM (if it isn't a core2duo based arch that is)
L1078[17:07:03] <XDjackieXD> (loaded by the bios/uefi)
L1079[17:07:06] <Izaya> allow me to rephrase
L1080[17:07:14] <Izaya> none of the peripherals require nonfree firmware
L1081[17:07:46] <Izaya> aside from the obvious Intel requirements to make the thing start, nothing needs blobs
L1082[17:08:04] <XDjackieXD> that's pretty easy to archive though (my old dell laptop worked perfectly fine without any too and has an i7 and hybrid graphics)
L1083[17:08:29] <Michiyo> fuck I have a 550GB .vdi I need to mount, and nowhere with that much space to stash it before the server it's on is killed
L1084[17:09:12] <XDjackieXD> o.O
L1085[17:09:27] <Antheus> 550gb
L1086[17:09:29] <Michiyo> Oh, sorry, 513GB
L1087[17:09:30] <Antheus> what do you have
L1088[17:09:41] <Michiyo> The entire disk used by Eos before I moved it
L1089[17:10:13] <Antheus> You could always go buy a cheap 1tb hdd
L1090[17:10:14] <Michiyo> fuuuuuu.. maybe I can mount it on Midori directly when I get home
L1091[17:10:37] <XDjackieXD> can't you just mount it? o.O
L1092[17:11:39] <Michiyo> I think I just said that :D Issue is I have nowhere to store it, and Midori is going to bail soon
L1093[17:11:49] <Antheus> I'm thinking about getting an 8GB stick of ram to bump my memory up to 16
L1094[17:12:02] <Antheus> then I just need 16 more to get to my mobo's max of 32
L1095[17:12:10] <Michiyo> I'm at 32, it's nice
L1096[17:12:20] <Antheus> 8GB is showing some issues
L1097[17:12:23] <Izaya> Ever hit 32GB usage?
L1098[17:12:34] <Antheus> I would be happy with 12
L1099[17:12:35] <XDjackieXD> Izaya: memory leaks :P
L1100[17:12:35] <Izaya> at 16 atm
L1101[17:12:46] <Michiyo> It's windows... what do you think? :P But no seriously, I've made it to 26
L1102[17:13:03] <Izaya> Only times I hit it are when I'm playing games like ARK or running VMs
L1103[17:13:14] <Antheus> My low end "I just need it for highschool" laptop only has 4GB I think
L1104[17:13:19] <Antheus> hits 100% easily
L1105[17:13:32] <Antheus> also idles at around 90% CPU and 90% Disk usage
L1106[17:13:33] <Izaya> My laptop I use for school has 2GB
L1107[17:13:47] <XDjackieXD> 4GB is acceptable if you run linux but hardly enough for windows
L1108[17:13:48] <Izaya> Idles at about 1% CPU usage and like 10% RAM
L1109[17:14:07] <Antheus> it strugles with any internet browser open
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L1116[17:22:57] <Izaya> my secret to using the internet on a 2008 Atom netbook is this:
L1117[17:22:59] <Izaya> X11 forwarding
L1118[17:26:51] <gamax92> lol
L1119[17:28:08] <Antheus> I need to find a simple desktop background
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L1128[17:55:48] <Antheus> Good night, Lizzy
L1129[17:55:51] <Antheus> I assume
L1130[18:00:15] <Antheus> I'm thinking about getting a 10-Key Calculator w/ the printing tape stuff
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L1139[19:05:26] <cookta2012---> Does open computers support charset bundled wire yet?
L1140[19:07:09] <cookta2012---> LizzyTheKitty
L1141[19:07:57] <cookta2012---> HEllo?
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L1143[19:11:57] <CompanionCube> lol few minutes
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L1155[20:05:11] <gm|and> well i did that one right
L1156[20:05:42] <gm|and> estimated time of me fucking around and doing nothing: >1 hour
L1157[20:05:53] <gm|and> so i took the "dash over to the grandparents' place" option
L1158[20:06:09] <gm|and> actual time i would have spent fucking around and doing nothing had i not taken this option: 3 hours
L1159[20:06:30] <ade129> just woke up...
L1160[20:07:13] <Saphire> I want to do something :c
L1161[20:07:35] <gm|and> what's something you'd like to know how to do?
L1162[20:07:47] <ade129> hooray, nothing productive done this holiday
L1163[20:07:59] <gm|and> reminds me, i can test my emulator's new netplay feature over shit quality 3G
L1164[20:08:14] <ade129> Maybe except reading the python tutorial
L1165[20:08:33] <gm|and> it uses UDP and the more you lag, the longer the joypad input packets get
L1166[20:08:48] <Saphire> emulator?
L1167[20:09:26] <gm|and> e.g. i typically send about 9-10 frames of input data to my VPS in AZ, US west, but to a server located in Australia it's about 3-5
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L1169[20:09:35] <gm|and> we're talking 50fps here
L1170[20:10:03] <gm|and> https://github.com/iamgreaser/littlesms
L1171[20:10:13] <gm|and> you'll need something that isn't windows. have fun.
L1172[20:11:00] <gm|and> also i really should make the build script autodetect if you don't have clang and fall back to gcc instead
L1173[20:11:00] <gm|and> what i really, really should do however is switch to makefiles
L1174[20:12:11] <gm|and> oh yeah, if you're looking for games to chuck into it... the only thing i've chucked into it that it doesn't like is r-type
L1175[20:12:50] <gm|and> but yeah there's a list of cooperative games on smspower, it doesn't list the non-coop 2-player ones though
L1176[20:13:38] <gm|and> as for the actual ROMs, they can be found pretty easily, AFAIK nobody bothers to send takedown notices over master system games
L1177[20:14:22] <gm|and> either way if the game you're looking for doesn't support 2-player gameplay, well, it supports spectators too
L1178[20:14:35] <gm|and> it's not built into the main emulator though but is a separate loadable module
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L1180[20:15:40] <gm|and> and with all that said... UDP is a fun challenge
L1181[20:16:10] <gm|and> ...also with about a 180ms ping for both clients, corrective netplay on micro machines is ridiculous
L1182[20:16:35] <gm|and> 60ms + ....something probably smaller... is a lot more reasonable
L1183[20:17:38] <gm|and> basically, you can fairly easily play FPSes with lag if the protocol's nice to you, but micro machines is an example of the sort of game where you really do need a low ping as you're often smashing into the other player
L1184[20:25:27] <gm|and> hmm, i'm wondering how a generic UDP proxy would work
L1185[20:26:29] <gm|and> i suspect that as long as you limit the number of active "connections" (address+port destination pairs) you could just eat 2 bytes per raw data packet
L1186[20:26:49] <gm|and> this does mean that if someone wants to be an arsehole and eat the entire MTU then you'd have to work around it
L1187[20:27:27] <gm|and> probably by splitting it into two packets in a special mode (using a special number in the two-byte field to denote a control packet)
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L1192[20:40:16] <cookta20121> sorry i have been here
L1193[20:40:44] <cookta20121> I was waniting to know why charset wires are not supported in OC
L1194[20:50:42] <cookta20121> Mimiru
L1195[20:50:50] <cookta20121> @Mimiru
L1196[20:52:01] <Mimiru> That's a quick way to get a kick @cookta20121 Don't ping random people cause you aren't getting answers.
L1197[20:52:13] <Mimiru> I don't know, or I would have answer, I don't write either mod.
L1198[20:52:35] * CompanionCube didn't notice Mimiru was back
L1199[20:52:49] <CompanionCube> welcome, want a complimentary hug?
L1200[20:54:28] <Mimiru> o/ CompanionCube
L1201[20:54:36] <Mimiru> I slipped back in quietly this morning
L1202[20:56:06] <gamax92> Ninja Mimiru
L1203[20:56:50] <CompanionCube> your last quit message sounded very sad :(
L1204[20:57:05] <Mimiru> I was pretty sad, still am
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L1206[21:16:57] <Antheus> .-.
L1207[21:20:10] <Antheus> I heard the sound of getting pinged and got excited only to find out it wasn't from HexChat
L1208[21:20:21] <Antheus> :(
L1209[21:21:19] <payonel> Mimiru: http://tinyurl.com/hquf9h9
L1210[21:22:21] <Izaya> Antheus: how tragic
L1211[21:22:44] <Antheus> :(
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L1214[21:25:23] <CompanionCube> Antheus: where was it from
L1215[21:25:49] <flappy> payonel: i have tinyurl blocked, what's the actual url
L1216[21:25:57] <Mimiru> https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/4/19/12/anigif_enhanced-buzz-10081-1366387228-20.gif?output-format=mp4
L1217[21:26:14] <Mimiru> %url enable
L1218[21:26:20] * Mimiru shanks MichiBot
L1219[21:33:08] <ade129> #StopBotAbuse
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L1221[21:41:23] <CompanionCube> lol hashtags
L1222[21:42:29] <Mimiru> #HashTagsArePeopleToo
L1223[21:45:00] <Izaya> XDjackieXD: the Purism laptops only require the FSP and they've managed to get Intel to let them run unsigned code for that somehow so once there's a replacement...
L1224[21:47:14] <CompanionCube> context?
L1225[21:48:14] <Izaya> CompanionCube: talking about the Purism Librem series
L1226[21:51:24] * CompanionCube weirdly hasn't missed systemd since trying gentoo. weird.
L1227[21:52:39] <Izaya> funny that
L1228[21:57:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya: tfw you hibernate your desktop so that you don't have to restart a compile
L1229[21:58:34] <Izaya> I tend to use Suspend instead
L1230[21:58:46] <Izaya> No need to load from disk
L1231[21:59:04] <CompanionCube> I chose hibernate so it's actually off
L1232[21:59:45] <CompanionCube> Izaya: plus
L1233[22:00:03] <CompanionCube> having it in suspend until at least 2pm would be pointless
L1234[22:00:53] * Izaya shrugs
L1235[22:01:10] <Izaya> I've suspended a laptop for a week and had 90% battery left
L1236[22:02:22] <CompanionCube> Izaya: is it weird that I don't miss systemd at all
L1237[22:02:29] <Izaya> Not really
L1238[22:02:43] <Izaya> Gentoo has OpenRC
L1239[22:03:39] * CompanionCube has had an idea circulating in his head recently that he knows has already been done
L1240[22:04:25] <CompanionCube> what if you split init into 2 logical functions
L1241[22:04:39] <CompanionCube> one that creates services, one that runs/manages servicee
L1242[22:04:48] <ade129> * uses Void linux which also doesn't use systemd
L1243[22:04:50] <CompanionCube> *services
L1244[22:05:34] <ade129> it somehow comes with a GUI (I chose xfce), odd
L1245[22:05:53] <CompanionCube> anyway, brb
L1246[22:08:12] <ade129> I also wanted to try musl but I heard that that breaks a few things
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L1249[22:40:22] <Antheus> Downloading FSX :SE again
L1250[22:40:30] <Antheus> since PMDG seems to finally have released their patches
L1251[22:40:39] <Antheus> for disk users
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L1253[22:43:15] <Izaya> FSX:SE?
L1254[22:43:21] <Izaya> Flight Sim X ..?
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L1256[22:47:41] <ade129> Steam edition
L1257[22:47:56] <ade129> I'm on Linux so no FSX for me (even though I bought the game)
L1258[22:48:50] <Antheus> yes
L1259[22:50:11] <Izaya> That's the Microsoft one, right?
L1260[22:50:29] <Antheus> yes
L1261[22:50:36] <Antheus> from like 2009
L1262[22:50:43] <Izaya> a) just use FlightGear b) "What's Linux?"
L1263[22:50:56] <Antheus> oh my mistake
L1264[22:50:57] <Antheus> 2006
L1265[22:51:08] <Antheus> I still remember going from FS9 to FSX
L1266[22:51:14] <Antheus> and it was like "woah"
L1267[22:52:21] <Antheus> ok, time to see if this program will work
L1268[22:54:19] <Antheus> System Requirements: Windows 98/98SE/2000/XP/VISTA | 160MB HD Space | 128MB RAM | Sound Card | Graphics Card Capable of 800x600 | DirectX 8.1 or later
L1269[22:54:56] <Izaya> I have a laptop that doesn't meet the screen resolution requirements
L1270[22:54:58] <ade129> Definitely won't work even on a supercomputer
L1271[22:54:59] <Izaya> also
L1272[22:55:01] <Izaya> I want to like GNOME 3
L1273[22:55:03] <Izaya> but it just sucks
L1274[22:55:11] <Antheus> don't force yourself to like it
L1275[22:55:16] <Antheus> or you will just hate it more
L1276[22:55:21] <ade129> >Like >GNOME 3 Not sure if these 2 go together
L1277[22:55:40] <ade129> Currently using XFCE, might switch to KDE or LxQt
L1278[22:55:45] <Izaya> XFCE a best
L1279[22:55:49] <Izaya> LXDE is nice enough
L1280[22:55:53] <Izaya> LxQt is interesting
L1281[22:56:07] <Izaya> KDE would be okay if my desktop only had one monitor
L1282[22:56:42] <ade129> I have 1 monitor...
L1283[22:56:59] <Izaya> KDE panels suck so hard compared to XFCE ones
L1284[22:57:28] <Izaya> You can't stretch one across 3 monitors
L1285[23:01:46] <ade129> How about MATE and Cinnamon
L1286[23:01:51] <Antheus> omfg
L1287[23:02:02] <Antheus> so I got this for christmas 2007
L1288[23:02:04] <ade129> I'm used to OS X so I don't think I'll like cinnamon...
L1289[23:02:11] <Antheus> when i was 7
L1290[23:02:17] <Izaya> MATE is okay
L1291[23:02:20] <Izaya> Cinnamon is meh
L1292[23:02:21] <Antheus> 8 actually
L1293[23:02:36] <Izaya> Too heavy for my tastes
L1294[23:02:50] <Izaya> ade129: so you like your computer to talk down to you?
L1295[23:02:53] <Antheus> and my mom emailed the company to get my registeration code (Even though you already bought the physical copy, you have to get the code via email)
L1296[23:03:05] <Antheus> and some how the registeration number has changed from 2007 to now
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L1299[23:08:04] <ade129> *** me sideways, pressed reset on factory idle
L1300[23:09:41] <gamax92> wot
L1301[23:09:46] <gamax92> No thank you
L1302[23:09:59] <ade129> basically I reset my game
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L1305[23:26:25] <Antheus> oh dear
L1306[23:26:34] <Antheus> Well, I am browsing /r/flighsim
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L1308[23:26:57] <Antheus> and came across this, the same program I just tried to run
L1309[23:27:04] <Antheus> (but an older version)
L1310[23:27:10] <Antheus> https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/4e4xzb/clarification_regarding_atc_simulator_2_hd/
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L1312[23:30:26] <Antheus> http://imgur.com/JwZjiwX direct link
L1313[23:31:13] <ade129> @Izaya That's why I kept 10.11
L1314[23:31:24] <ade129> So yes, I still call it OS X
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L1316[23:40:39] <cookta2012> hello
L1317[23:40:43] <cookta2012> lol
L1318[23:40:47] <cookta2012> im inamge
L1319[23:40:51] <cookta2012> im ingame
L1320[23:41:27] <cookta2012> that little irc program works a wonders
L1321[23:42:08] <cookta2012> !ping
L1322[23:42:16] <cookta2012> is anyone home
L1323[23:42:18] <cookta2012> ?
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L1325[23:43:15] <cookta2012-> Lol
L1326[23:43:29] <cookta2012> now that is amazinfg
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