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L14[02:19:47] <Ember_Primrose> o/
L15[02:20:01] <Forecaster> o/
L16[02:20:29] <Ember_Primrose> im having so much fun atm
L17[02:21:09] <Forecaster> are you playing hide and seek with jesus?
L18[02:21:18] <Forecaster> I hear he likes to be found
L19[02:21:19] <Ember_Primrose> O.o
L20[02:21:24] <Ember_Primrose> no...
L21[02:21:26] <Ember_Primrose> XD
L22[02:22:33] <Forecaster> dang, then what are you doing? :P
L23[02:22:56] <Ember_Primrose> playing something i played 12 years ago
L24[02:23:11] <Ember_Primrose> i was about..
L25[02:23:14] <Forecaster> nfs
L26[02:23:43] <Ember_Primrose> 9
L27[02:24:27] <Ember_Primrose> yea, but the memories are flowing like water
L28[02:25:24] <Forecaster> the memories have a need for speed too
L29[02:25:34] <Ember_Primrose> XD
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L32[02:47:20] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/CQIFp
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L36[03:12:46] <Forecaster> beeees http://imgur.com/gallery/JF4ka
L37[03:13:19] <gm|and> bees indeed
L38[03:13:24] <gm|and> or should i say
L39[03:13:26] <gm|and> inbeed
L40[03:14:17] <Inari> https://www.reddit.com/r/AsianBeauty/comments/58yftb/flying_to_orlando_in_ab_fashion/
L41[03:14:38] <Inari> Forecaster: Is that actual honey though?
L42[03:14:59] <Forecaster> probably some kind of stone :P
L43[03:15:03] <gm|and> how would you make honey solid?
L44[03:15:12] <Forecaster> cold temperatures
L45[03:15:18] <Ember_Primrose> thats amber
L46[03:15:21] <gm|and> if they're going for something slightly fancy: amber
L47[03:15:29] <gm|and> or not so fancy: tree sap
L48[03:16:20] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZbu7J7UL4
L49[03:17:09] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/JFCTHIP
L50[03:18:04] <Inari> Glad to see she has a dirty mind
L51[03:18:10] <gm|and> just say it here, i'm on 3g and i am not going to be watching a gif
L52[03:18:12] <Inari> More people need dirty minds
L53[03:18:16] <Inari> Spraed the love
L54[03:18:51] <gm|and> there was a great one on QI though i don't remember how it went
L55[03:19:10] <gm|and> i think it had something to do with food
L56[03:19:18] <gm|and> and stephen fry caught himself out twice
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L58[03:20:49] <gm|and> or maybe it was a thing about vaseline or jelly
L59[03:21:25] <Ember_Primrose> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQhuxPsSjE
L60[03:26:10] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/woriwzy
L61[03:26:11] <Forecaster> fite
L62[03:32:21] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/wojhh69
L63[03:32:24] <Forecaster> woah burn
L64[03:33:45] <Inari> "Just FYI, "cat house" means "whore house" in 1960's slang. That's why you see them as Kitty Condos in the pet stores." TIL
L65[03:34:38] <Forecaster> xD
L66[03:34:53] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/WomEZDG that looks genuinely disgusting
L67[03:36:19] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/jiuP6n4.jpg
L68[03:37:08] <Forecaster> not really a fan of cheese
L69[03:37:13] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/OX3J2 Nature is scary
L70[03:38:29] <Forecaster> and that's when the first portal to oblivion opened
L71[03:38:31] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/r9lKoVQ.gif Haha that end
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L73[03:41:14] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/Ctup0
L74[03:41:28] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/B4TCBTQ
L75[03:41:30] <Forecaster> owl
L76[03:41:40] <Inari> Haha cute
L77[03:42:11] <Forecaster> heh, nice
L78[03:51:51] <Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/g0HkLfu.jpg
L79[03:52:05] <Forecaster> well that, or there's an orgy going on outside
L80[03:52:08] <Inari> :P
L81[03:52:12] <Inari> I was gonna comment something like that
L82[03:54:12] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/MbBJpX1
L83[03:58:58] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/MbPhxIU
L84[03:59:16] <Forecaster> that sign would be appropriate for a lot of things
L85[04:01:02] <Inari> Is that someone who has a lot of wit while fucking?
L86[04:01:18] <Ember_Primrose> O.o
L87[04:02:27] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/MbvYUJb
L88[04:02:28] <Forecaster> hah
L89[04:04:10] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/MbVgC
L90[04:04:18] <Forecaster> this thing has to be a transformer in disguise
L91[04:04:42] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/Ws7uyVj.gif lol
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L93[04:06:26] <Forecaster> :P
L94[04:10:53] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/0A7AG
L95[04:10:55] <Forecaster> puns!
L96[04:12:07] <Inari> Haha those comments
L97[04:12:39] <Forecaster> 2nd one is great
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L99[04:14:39] <Inari> I hope thats warm water
L100[04:18:09] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/oIfy1 People who have way too much time
L101[04:18:47] <Forecaster> well yeah, that's 98% of the internet :P
L102[04:19:15] <Forecaster> the sharknado one xD
L103[04:21:54] <Forecaster> speaking of too much spare time http://imgur.com/gallery/62pRu
L104[04:22:22] <Inari> Well
L105[04:22:25] <Inari> at least he stays fit
L106[04:22:44] <Inari> Also top commnet ftw
L107[04:26:07] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/30my5
L108[04:26:55] <Lizzy> wow, only just got my extra v4 addresses on ovh
L109[04:27:47] <Forecaster> yay
L110[04:29:30] <Izaya> vifino: on the ESP8266?
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L115[04:48:57] <Skye> Morning.
L116[04:51:28] <Forecaster> marbles
L117[04:51:39] <Inari> Maliens
L118[04:53:25] <Forecaster> inaliens
L119[04:53:41] <Forecaster> they want lewd things
L120[04:53:43] <Inari> tentaliens
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L122[05:06:29] <Inari> Much lie http://akari.in/pinky_vQQFP
L123[05:14:41] <Inari> Forecaster: So hows Subnautica nowadays?
L124[05:36:57] <Forecaster> it's going somewhere
L125[05:37:03] <Forecaster> I've only passively been following it
L126[05:37:15] <Forecaster> mostly by watching IGP's videos
L127[05:39:08] <Inari> I hate when my plans are being foiled D:
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L129[05:49:38] <Forecaster> I mostly know they're adding stuff :P
L130[05:50:39] <Inari> Forecaster: ^^ Just looking for a nice survival/building game... seems Subnautica isn't quite tehre yet though. Like many in EA it has that issue of taht you build your base (which is fun enough but realtively short in the big picture) and then you're kinda bored
L131[05:51:16] <Forecaster> Fortresscraft Evolved is also going places, but is still incomplete
L132[05:51:26] <Inari> I still don'tlike thatmuch haah
L133[05:51:28] <Forecaster> I'll probably LP that when it's done
L134[05:51:36] <Forecaster> I like it
L135[05:52:13] <Inari> It just feels too weird, the graphics are weird, teh collisions are weird, everything feels kinda unpolished
L136[05:52:43] * Forecaster shrugs
L137[05:53:13] <Forecaster> it felt fine to me last time I played it, except that it's incomplete of course
L138[05:53:24] <Forecaster> also it supports texture packs
L139[05:53:28] *** Guest840 is now known as Magik6k
L140[05:53:28] <Forecaster> :P
L141[05:53:37] <Inari> Doesn't change the weird out of place shading xD
L142[05:53:41] <Inari> And it raining inside
L143[05:54:02] <Inari> Its not directly bad
L144[05:54:12] <Inari> but its style just is weird :P
L145[05:54:36] <Inari> I guess it feels a bit like someone who just made their first video with after effects and put in way too much "cool filter stuff"
L146[05:54:54] <Inari> Its fun enough to play though, but incomplete, yeah
L147[05:55:52] * Magik6k has ported RIPv2 to OC: https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/894d0116-537d-42af-a720-cf84c68f40d8.png
L148[05:56:47] <Magik6k> payonel, can haz /sys in openos?
L149[05:56:59] <Forecaster> %seen payonel
L150[05:56:59] <MichiBot> Forecaster: payonel was last seen 2d 13h 22m 18s ago.
L151[05:57:10] <Magik6k> hmm
L152[05:57:24] <Magik6k> %tell payonel Can haz /sys in openos?
L153[05:57:24] <MichiBot> Magik6k: payonel will be notified of this message when next seen.
L154[05:59:07] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/gallery/ZKpwYgT
L155[05:59:08] <Forecaster> boing
L156[06:00:16] <Inari> Forecaster: tail plug? lewd
L157[06:03:59] <Forecaster> hmmm http://imgur.com/gallery/ZKybd
L158[06:04:02] <Forecaster> nice sweater
L159[06:05:15] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/pw1YCT1
L160[06:07:37] <Forecaster> nice
L161[06:10:19] <Forecaster> warn: contains boob http://imgur.com/gallery/s2VZY6K
L162[06:11:50] <Inari> I don't see how the ideal of how something should be according to someone relates to how things are :P
L163[06:12:12] <Inari> and big boobs are bad :3
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L165[06:14:39] <Forecaster> seeing is an illusion, there is no spoon
L166[06:15:45] <Skye> Magik6k, port BGPv4 to OC
L167[06:17:12] <Forecaster> and by that I mean "I'm not even going to try to descipher what you said"
L168[06:17:30] <Inari> Forecaster: ?
L169[06:17:54] <Magik6k> Probably not happening, heh(I don't know anything about BGP TBH, may be simple actually)
L170[06:18:11] <Inari> Forecaster: The original post says "If you think all boobs are supposed to be [described ideal] you probably have never actually seen a boob in reall life because boobs are diverse as frick"
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L172[06:18:25] <Inari> But just because boobs are diverse doesn't mean one should not think there is one ideal kind and think thats how all of them should be
L173[06:19:25] <Forecaster> ideals are subjective
L174[06:19:45] <Inari> Sure
L175[06:19:58] <Inari> but that person having their subjective ideal can stlil think all boobs should be like that
L176[06:21:47] <Forecaster> "everyone should look how I want them to" seems stupid to me
L177[06:21:49] <Forecaster> :P
L178[06:22:11] <Inari> Forecaster: Why would you not want your ideal to be the general? :P
L179[06:23:01] <Inari> I'd even say its more of a preference if you dont
L180[06:24:36] <Forecaster> because when everyone is special, no one is
L181[06:24:51] <Inari> But noone is talking about special
L182[06:24:53] <Inari> Ideal
L183[06:24:53] <Inari> :P
L184[06:25:18] <Inari> Either way
L185[06:25:33] <Inari> you thinking its stupid doesn't really counteract the point that it doesnt have much to do with knowing or not knowing the reality of things
L186[06:27:20] * Forecaster sighs
L187[06:27:29] <Forecaster> well that was a wasted reference apparently
L188[06:27:41] <Forecaster> have a euphemism gif instead: http://imgur.com/gallery/U4tEp3q
L189[06:41:14] <Inari> "Turn your flatulence into an intoxicating aphrodisiac for those around you using these chocolate scented fart pills. Just pop a few capsules and your stinky farts will transform into an unforgettable chocolaty experience that everyone will simply love." Right then
L190[06:48:29] <Saphire> what
L191[06:52:44] <S3> wheee
L192[06:52:49] <S3> it works!
L193[06:53:05] <S3> if plugin:does('pluggable') then print('Whee') end
L194[06:53:09] <S3> mixins are fun
L195[07:12:53] <S3> return all the plugins XD
L196[07:12:55] <S3> for _, plugin in core:plugins_with('pluggable') do
L197[07:14:04] <S3> oops forgot ipairs
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L201[08:48:03] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
L202[08:48:03] <MichiBot> Key & Peele - Substitute Teacher | length: 3m 2s | Likes: 638,416 Dislikes: 13,441 Views: 103,639,099 | by Comedy Central | Published On 18/10/2012
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L208[08:56:35] <Lizzy> it would seem that OVH doesn't work on weekends
L209[08:57:18] * Lizzy got her ip addreses today
L210[09:03:48] <Michiyo> \o/
L211[09:03:51] <Michiyo> 'bout time!
L212[09:04:21] <LizzyTheKitty> yeah
L213[09:08:16] <Forecaster> \o/
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L219[10:17:26] <Forecaster> http://m.imgur.com/gallery/WGgSBjc
L220[10:17:35] <Forecaster> Particle physics in action
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L223[10:22:28] <gamax92> S3: Seems you're having fun¥ What are you even doing anyway£
L224[10:24:47] <Skye> S3 is alive?
L225[10:25:49] <Forecaster> Sonny-3 is aliiiiive
L226[10:27:46] <gamax92> Inari: you can't try to make big changes like that without looking at also looking at all the possible side effects you would get
L227[10:29:04] <gamax92> that sentence was awful
L228[10:29:47] <Forecaster> awfully long
L229[10:30:38] <gamax92> s/ut looking at /ut /
L230[10:30:38] <MichiBot> <gamax92> Inari: you can't try to make big changes like that without also looking at all the possible side effects you would get
L231[10:31:10] <gamax92> A little better
L232[10:31:17] <Forecaster> and shorter
L233[10:31:26] <gamax92> yeah
L234[10:34:58] <gamax92> I wonder if anyone has made a program to compare two files and generate a list of sed commands
L235[10:35:07] <Inari> gamax92: ?
L236[10:36:44] <gamax92> Inari: if you make everyone's boobs the same, ignoring ideals and whatnot, you lose diversity and uniqueness, all becoming unspecial
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L238[10:40:22] <Inari> gamax92: I like how you just reply half a day later and expect me to know what yu talk about :P
L239[10:40:28] <Inari> gamax92: And why does anyone have to be special
L240[10:40:31] <Inari> Also you're missing the point
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L242[10:41:09] <gamax92> Nah, I didn't expect you to still know
L243[10:41:36] <gamax92> considering it's been 5 hours
L244[10:42:40] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&feature=em-uploademail
L245[10:42:40] <MichiBot> 3 Rules for Rulers | length: 19m 33s | Likes: 3,118 Dislikes: 27 Views: 24,964 | by CGP Grey | Published On 24/10/2016
L246[10:42:50] <Inari> Rigth time to make some cofee and pie
L247[10:42:52] <Inari> and watch that
L248[10:43:05] * Forecaster is already watching it right now
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L256[11:10:58] <payonel> Magik6k: /lib/devfs should be able to handle building any custom /sys stuff
L257[11:11:23] <Inari> Forecaster: PRetty good :P Makes me wonder if that or one of the follow-up vids was the one Grey was talking about in a podcast
L258[11:11:51] <payonel> Magik6k: i haven't written any docs on it yet, but i could write up some examples -- what would be the first sys fields you'd want?
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L260[11:12:07] <Inari> Forecaster: Wehre he said he hates how someone moved into the building he records at. Since Grey set up his schedule fro noone else to be around :P But apparetnly some businessman moved in
L261[11:12:16] <Inari> And makes calls to china - hence the schedule of being there at liek 7 am
L262[11:12:29] <Forecaster> I don't listen to the podcast
L263[11:12:31] <payonel> Inari: o/
L264[11:12:43] <Inari> Forecaster: And grey finds the idea terrible that someone can listen to him repeating the same sentenceover and over xD especially for his current videos where it makes h im sound like a maniac
L265[11:12:48] <Inari> payonel: ohi
L266[11:13:42] <Magik6k> payonel, I only use files to which you write a single line or read output, like https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/2b8f88ee-9f88-4ad1-9399-6efd6ae2c91d.png
L267[11:14:36] <Magik6k> /sys/net/if is dynamic
L268[11:14:41] <payonel> Magik6k: the /lib/devfs api is flexible, can handle any such callback
L269[11:14:46] <payonel> including dynamic dirs
L270[11:14:56] <payonel> you can create any path, including /sys
L271[11:15:06] <payonel> i'll make note to write up an ocdoc about it
L272[11:15:36] <payonel> a proof of concept i made was for "filesystem"s
L273[11:16:01] <payonel> and all the metadata (like getLabel()) values were just "files" in the dynamic uuid-named dirs
L274[11:16:26] <payonel> i believe you made something that does the same thing
L275[11:21:32] <LizzyTheKitty> Huh, c2c updated their site
L276[11:21:40] <LizzyTheKitty> Bet it still runs like shite
L277[11:22:26] <payonel> c2c?
L278[11:23:11] <LizzyTheKitty> Train operator in the UK
L279[11:23:18] <payonel> ah
L280[11:24:16] <Magik6k> Also, I'm thinking of rewriting Lua bios to support GPT form raw drives, Openloader kernels, Some netboot proto and menu which would be kept in eeprom data as it can fit sth like this: http://hastebin.com/vaxesojohu.go
L281[11:25:22] <20kdc> Looks... Syslinux-y?
L282[11:25:53] <Magik6k> It does, as it's compact
L283[11:25:59] <Temia> I wonder if compiling it to a binary representation would work better, given the small amount of space available to the EEPROM data partition.
L284[11:26:57] <Magik6k> Plan9k\0[binary uuid]boot/kernel/plan9k\0ro,debug\0 ?
L285[11:27:14] <payonel> Magik6k: i also wanted to redo eeprom - i didn't want to break existing boot loaders though
L286[11:27:27] <Magik6k> I want compat too
L287[11:27:28] <Temia> Possibly even turning the flags into bits themselves.
L288[11:28:12] <payonel> Temia: technically strings are binary
L289[11:28:27] <payonel> it doesn't just get smaller because we see it differently (e.g. hexdump)
L290[11:28:29] <Magik6k> GPT boot would boot from first partition of specific type UUID
L291[11:28:43] <20kdc> Maybe have the UUID be the first field? That should at least keep some compatibility.
L292[11:29:08] <Magik6k> We flash new bios anyways
L293[11:29:12] <payonel> Temia: now, you could argue for a more terse format of data, but being a string or a 'binary' form doesn't make it smaller/different
L294[11:29:36] <Temia> I think you're misinterpreting something I said.
L295[11:29:48] <Inari> https://xkcd.com/281/ too true :<
L296[11:29:49] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Online Package Tracking Posted on: 6/25/2007
L297[11:29:53] <payonel> Temia: to be honest, i was worried i misunderstood you
L298[11:29:54] <20kdc> GUIDs are hexadecimal digits,
L299[11:30:07] <20kdc> so turn them into bytes.
L300[11:30:11] <20kdc> Is that what you meant?
L301[11:30:33] <Temia> That, and as Magik showed, using null terminators instead of whitespace.
L302[11:30:34] <Magik6k> ^ 16 bytes vs ~34
L303[11:30:52] <payonel> well, a null terminator is still a byte
L304[11:31:01] <Temia> And as I mentioned, possibly using bits instead of comma-separated strings for flags.
L305[11:31:17] <Temia> ...yes, Payonel, but one null terminator is different from multiple tabs or spaces.
L306[11:31:31] <payonel> very true
L307[11:31:42] <Magik6k> you save 16 bytes per uuid and + APPEND/LABEL/KERNEL, etc.
L308[11:32:42] <Magik6k> we can write simple program to compile/decompile from binary format
L309[11:32:52] <Magik6k> boot-update boot.cfg
L310[11:33:05] * Temia nodnods
L311[11:33:55] * Inari comma-separates Moos
L312[11:34:23] * Temia is the only moo present.
L313[11:34:51] <Forecaster> with a dangling comma then
L314[11:35:00] <Inari> So
L315[11:35:05] <Inari> I made a rover thingy in space engineers
L316[11:35:07] <Inari> except it doesn't rove
L317[11:35:19] <Forecaster> does it er?
L318[11:35:34] <Inari> Dunno
L319[11:35:47] <Forecaster> what does it do then?
L320[11:36:01] <Inari> Why does this crash every other time I start it
L321[11:37:09] <Inari> Forecaster: It just kind of wiggles
L322[11:37:16] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_CX4MJ :| #I'mgoodatthis
L323[11:37:20] <Inari> #CanHashtagsHaveApostrophes?
L324[11:37:39] <Forecaster> methinks you need bigger wheels
L325[11:37:44] <Forecaster> or lower the wheels
L326[11:37:50] <Forecaster> using the suspension settings
L327[11:43:01] <Forecaster> "MouseCraft"
L328[11:43:10] <Forecaster> "Cross between lemmings and tetris"
L329[11:43:11] <Forecaster> huh
L330[11:43:51] <Forecaster> I've seen this aesthetic before...
L331[11:44:11] <Forecaster> there was some kinda co-op puzzle game I saw on youtube ages ago that looked kinda like this
L332[11:44:19] <Forecaster> http://store.steampowered.com/app/252750/
L333[11:44:33] <Inari> Doesnt seem like I can lower the suspension quite enough xD
L334[11:45:19] <Temia> You're giving the wheels a nonzero torque, right?
L335[11:45:34] <Inari> I think so?
L336[11:45:50] <Forecaster> put on the next size of wheels then :>
L337[11:46:44] <Temia> Oh, yeah, those rover wheels don't even look like they should work.
L338[11:47:12] <Inari> Forecaster: too big :<
L339[11:47:28] <Inari> I want a buggy not a 10x10 meters truck
L340[11:47:29] <Forecaster> mods
L341[11:47:56] <Michiyo> Yeah.. I'm not sure what the small wheels are good for.. lol
L342[11:47:58] <Forecaster> pretty sure there's a couple of mods that add wheels
L343[11:48:05] <Michiyo> I think I used them for moving on tracks once...
L344[11:48:10] <Forecaster> Michiyo: conveyor belts :P
L345[11:48:23] <Inari> Plus
L346[11:48:28] <Inari> I already didnt have enough materials for these
L347[11:48:29] <Inari> ¬_¬
L348[11:48:51] <Temia> Ah, conveyors would make sense.
L349[11:49:14] <Inari> coneyors have suspension?
L350[11:50:21] <Inari> Welp
L351[11:50:25] <Inari> guess I'm back to watching more lets play
L352[11:56:10] <Magik6k> Binary has one little drawback: Lua 5.2
L353[11:57:33] <Temia> ...true.
L354[11:57:45] <20kdc> Magik6k: I'm not getting it... what's bad about Lua 5.2 and binary?
L355[11:57:57] <Temia> But then again, I honestly find it kind of amazing that lua had no struct parsing before 5.3
L356[11:57:59] <Magik6k> Lack of string.pack
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L358[11:58:16] <20kdc> Do you really have structures that complicated?
L359[11:59:03] <Magik6k> No, but eeprom has 4K bytes, so string.pack would be porfect space saver
L360[12:00:14] <20kdc> Looking at the string.pack documentation, what in there can't be done manually?
L361[12:00:16] <Magik6k> payonel, maybe make it an alternative Lua5.3 bios?
L362[12:00:41] <Inari> We should build a fusion plant
L363[12:00:43] <Inari> We could right now
L364[12:00:46] <Inari> Its relatively simple
L365[12:02:46] <Magik6k> 20kdc, it's pretty convenient to be able to do few little unpacks instead of writing many, many more lines of code that would do the same 100x times slower, like http://hastebin.com/reyuzeciri.lua
L366[12:02:56] <Magik6k> ^that's GPT table parser
L367[12:05:52] <20kdc> Idea! string.pack/string.unpack emulation for Lua 5.2 computers?
L368[12:05:58] <gamax92> no
L369[12:06:02] <gamax92> because that's 5.3 and not 5.2
L370[12:06:18] <20kdc> Emulation. Like a polyfill.
L371[12:06:42] <gamax92> Magik6k: anyway, I believe you're overthinking this, write the piece of code that would need string.pack ... uuid string to bytes conversion?
L372[12:07:16] <20kdc> Also, I just realized it's actually *theoretically* possible to determine if a server is 32-bit or 64-bit from within OpenComputers code.
L373[12:07:29] <Magik6k> binary menu parsing would use it the most
L374[12:07:38] <gamax92> Magik6k: oh, so not uuid?
L375[12:07:40] <Magik6k> Example menu being Item1\0\0\1\2\3\4\5\6\7\8\9\a\b\c\d\e\f\1init.lua\0ro\0Item2\0\0\1\2\3\4\5\6\7\8\9\a\b\c\d\e\f\boot.lua\0debug\0
L376[12:07:45] <gamax92> what?
L377[12:07:53] <Magik6k> UUID couldn't be handled by pack
L378[12:08:03] <Magik6k> gamax92, https://pad.starchasers.ovh/p/OBySKMy3y1
L379[12:09:57] <gamax92> do you mean unpack then?, cause you can probably do that using a simple gmatch
L380[12:11:14] <Magik6k> Indeed
L381[12:11:37] <Magik6k> I haven't been thinking about using it for bianry
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L384[12:12:16] <gamax92> Magik6k: did you make space a menu separator?
L385[12:12:33] <Magik6k> nope, just readability
L386[12:12:44] <gamax92> (I saw that :P)
L387[12:12:49] <Magik6k> heh
L388[12:16:38] <Magik6k> any idea how to match binary uuid not by (................)
L389[12:16:48] <Magik6k> ?
L390[12:19:02] <Inari> I wonder if you can build a rocket train in SE
L391[12:21:35] <Magik6k> wee, menu rendering, sort of: https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/de8bd0cd-07f9-44bd-89b7-ab06392207cc.png
L392[12:22:36] <Magik6k> ~w gpu
L393[12:22:36] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:gpu
L394[12:23:55] <gamax92> Magik6k: the example string is missing it's autodetect for Item2
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L396[12:25:04] <20kdc> Do you have, IDK, some sort of OpenComputers emulator running?
L397[12:25:12] <gamax92> it goes ...ro\0Item2 where ...ro\0 is the kernel param, and Item2 is the next label, but should have a \0 or \1 before the Item2
L398[12:25:12] <Magik6k> autodetect is for backwards compat
L399[12:25:18] <gamax92> oh?
L400[12:25:21] <gamax92> so optional?
L401[12:25:34] <20kdc> (Because that window to the left sure isn't a standard Minecraft window...)
L402[12:25:35] <Magik6k> It's only one, first byte
L403[12:25:56] <gamax92> Magik6k: yeah but my point is that it's missing from the second item in the example string
L404[12:26:02] <Magik6k> It will dectect like old eeprom did
L405[12:26:21] <Magik6k> I know, it's not entry part
L406[12:26:34] <gamax92> ... so is it optional then? Y/N
L407[12:27:16] <Magik6k> It's local autodetect = menu:sub(1,1) == "\1"
L408[12:27:24] <Magik6k> It that's clarifies it
L409[12:27:38] <gamax92> oh, so it's part of the label
L410[12:27:39] <Magik6k> s/that's/that
L411[12:27:39] <MichiBot> <Magik6k> It that clarifies it
L412[12:28:13] <gamax92> also [^\0] can just be %Z
L413[12:28:17] <Magik6k> no it's not, it's global for entire menu string, https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/4079f994-9ffe-4851-99a6-2225c67662ac.png
L414[12:29:02] <gamax92> oh.
L415[12:31:02] <gamax92> Magik6k: well the second entry is also missing a boot-device-type
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L417[13:08:52] <CompanionCube> https://henryhoggard.co.uk/blog/Paypal-2FA-Bypass ._.
L418[13:11:55] <gamax92> CompanionCube: well atleast it's fixed
L419[13:12:13] <gamax92> within 17-18 days of reporting
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L421[13:12:56] <CompanionCube> gamax92: the exploit is so simple though
L422[13:13:25] <gamax92> yeah .... rather sad
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L424[14:06:51] <gamax92> is it possible, to load a bios image into memory and boot it, instead of using the rom?
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L427[14:11:41] <Lizzy> you could load it into /tmp then set the boot address to the temp address and soft-reboot
L428[14:12:00] <gamax92> irl computer not oc, sorry
L429[14:12:04] <Lizzy> oh
L430[14:12:08] * Lizzy shrugs
L431[14:12:32] <gamax92> given what osdev says about rebooting I'd have to think no
L432[14:17:16] <Skye> gamax92, use Bochs or qemu? :P
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L434[14:25:15] <Magik6k> gamax92, yup, read about memdisk
L435[14:25:23] <Magik6k> if it's what you want
L436[14:25:56] <Temia> Gamax: That's what most BIOS memory shadows do. o.o
L437[14:26:12] <Temia> But at the same time it's really moot.
L438[14:26:21] <Temia> Because haha BIOS
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L441[15:06:21] <S3> ok
L442[15:06:34] <S3> This is a test
L443[15:08:46] <S3> gamax92:
L444[15:08:53] <S3> yes you can do that but you need to be in real mode
L445[15:09:20] <Magik6k> ~w drive
L446[15:09:20] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:drive
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L448[15:09:39] <S3> Hey Magik6k!
L449[15:09:46] <S3> I did something easy and nuts this weekend
L450[15:09:54] <Magik6k> heh
L451[15:10:07] <S3> I modified the shit out of rxi classic/lua OOP library
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L453[15:10:28] <S3> so it supports a meta api for querying mixins and parent classes
L454[15:10:38] <S3> which will be great for OCBSD file handling
L455[15:11:24] <S3> if myobj:does('socketio') then DO STUFF end
L456[15:11:40] <S3> myobj being a filehandle
L457[15:12:01] <S3> and open() magically bundles this stuff..
L458[15:13:16] <S3> if Interface:does('802.1Ethernet')
L459[15:13:35] <CompanionCube> S3: that looks sweet
L460[15:13:39] <CompanionCube> why not release it as it's own project
L461[15:14:22] <S3> I probably will it's under the MIT license
L462[15:14:33] <S3> so I could rename it and release it as a modified version of the lib
L463[15:15:22] <S3> my plugin system for my df clone project uses them intensively, so I can be like,
L464[15:15:45] <S3> for _, plugins in ipairs(core:plugins_with('ItemBlockProvider')) do
L465[15:15:56] <S3> -- Do stuff on every plugin that provides an Item
L466[15:16:24] <S3> I may be able to make that useful in my os project too but we'll see (for modules)
L467[15:16:34] <CompanionCube> it seems very nice and OOPy
L468[15:17:30] <S3> for _, modules in ipairs(kernel:modules_with('FileSystem')) do
L469[15:17:38] <S3> -- Get all modules that provide a filesystem driver
L470[15:18:05] <S3> yeah I supposeb that would work
L471[15:18:13] <S3> The problem is how would that work with a microkernel?
L472[15:18:39] <S3> because in a microkernel everything is like a user process, not some code module in some monolithic space
L473[15:19:20] <S3> What if every module provides a thin proxy API (as a mixin)
L474[15:19:44] <S3> the proxy speaks to it via the microkernel server bus
L475[15:20:26] <S3> which makes the kernel look monolithic in the corer
L476[15:20:30] <S3> but actually all seperate
L477[15:20:35] <S3> CompanionCube: good? bad?
L478[15:20:55] <CompanionCube> that could work
L479[15:20:57] <Magik6k> What would be the tightest code to turn 4 bytes from string into a number(lua 5.2)?
L480[15:23:19] <S3> you know every time I do that I have to think about it, and I usually hit myself later for it being so easy
L481[15:24:32] <S3> CompanionCube: problem is microkernels I would assume to be a bit slower
L482[15:24:49] <CompanionCube> S3: eh, it's OC
L483[15:25:13] <CompanionCube> aren't most of the performance issues with microkernels due to context-switches in the CPU?
L484[15:25:24] <CompanionCube> Not sure if that applies / affects OC
L485[15:25:27] <20kdc> Well, you can pass around function objects in an OC "microkernel"
L486[15:25:39] <S3> CompanionCube: I'd like to find a way to make a more reactive model
L487[15:25:44] <S3> instead of context switching
L488[15:25:47] <S3> make it "on demand"
L489[15:25:55] <S3> with careful code
L490[15:26:24] <S3> so instead of giving every process cpu time
L491[15:26:39] <S3> have everything only hapopen on a change of state basic
L492[15:26:40] <S3> basis
L493[15:26:47] <S3> which INCLUDES timed events
L494[15:26:54] <CompanionCube> S3: are you applying event-driven stuffs to the entire OS
L495[15:26:59] <CompanionCube> it sounds like it
L496[15:27:03] <S3> I dunno
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L498[15:27:24] <S3> I mean I'd usually give each process some guaranteed cpu time
L499[15:27:38] <20kdc> Timers.
L500[15:27:39] <S3> but the problem is a process does a loop and does nothing then yields
L501[15:27:43] <S3> waste of cpu time
L502[15:28:11] <CompanionCube> S3:
L503[15:28:12] <S3> so maybe a process should be written with a more reactive model instead
L504[15:28:17] <CompanionCube> so the problem is cooperative multitasking a shit
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L506[15:29:41] <S3> so imagine having a process waiting for a semaphore
L507[15:29:55] <S3> instead of repeatably giving cpu time for that process to respond when its lifted
L508[15:30:42] <S3> somehow have the kernel bring the process to life to handle it
L509[15:30:55] <S3> no more polling
L510[15:31:06] <S3> no more sitting and doing nothing
L511[15:31:11] <S3> well
L512[15:31:15] <20kdc> Since when was that the case normally...?
L513[15:31:17] <S3> no more being called on and sitting there only to pass
L514[15:31:39] <S3> 2okdc: sure
L515[15:37:57] <scj643> Hey S3
L516[15:38:15] <Inari> Forecaster: Wait wait
L517[15:38:19] <Inari> Forecaster: You can build small blocks?
L518[15:39:05] <scj643> What is this witch craft
L519[15:39:34] <Forecaster> hm?
L520[15:39:41] <Forecaster> small ship grid yeah
L521[15:40:00] <Inari> ¬_¬
L522[15:42:51] <CompanionCube> Inari: from another channel: 'would bang metal things together again'
L523[15:43:11] <Inari> Would insert metal again
L524[15:43:24] <scj643> Would wall bang again :)
L525[15:45:22] <CompanionCube> >get 500 error from server
L526[15:45:24] <CompanionCube> >'Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.'
L527[15:45:39] <Inari> lol
L528[15:45:59] <CompanionCube> so, it 500'd while handling the original 500
L529[15:48:15] <Lizzy> lol
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L531[15:56:58] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVSZpoUdSU
L532[15:56:59] <MichiBot> Neural Network Learns to Generate Voice (RNN/LSTM) | length: 10m 10s | Likes: 1,123 Dislikes: 48 Views: 51,913 | by SomethingUnreal | Published On 24/5/2016
L533[15:57:27] <CompanionCube> well this is interesting
L534[15:57:42] <CompanionCube> I have a blank email...but the raw version shows a .zip attachment
L535[15:57:51] * CompanionCube bets the malware was caught by Yahoo's antivirus
L536[16:01:56] <CompanionCube> 'Receipt 4279-53917.hta: HTML document, ASCII text, with very long lines, with CRLF line terminators' I smell obsfucated JS coming up
L537[16:03:12] <gamax92> Inari: I posted that yesterday :|
L538[16:03:16] <gamax92> so late.
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L541[16:23:21] <Lizzy> vifino putting me to bed http://imgur.com/gallery/Dcg1ZBH
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L543[16:25:48] <vifino> 1503 Service Unavailable
L544[16:25:48] <vifino> No server is available to handle this request.
L545[16:25:57] <vifino> I am quite certain that is not how I put you to bed...
L546[16:26:21] <Michiyo> Or is it.. ;)
L547[16:26:57] <vifino> lol
L548[16:27:44] <Lizzy> :P
L549[16:29:46] * Lizzy flops on her back next to vifino and sleeps
L550[16:30:39] * vifino snuggles Lizzy
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L553[16:42:05] <gm|and> sup
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L555[16:44:26] <Inari> Lizzy: just make sure that isn't a note 7
L556[16:46:26] <gm|and> i hear those are the bomb
L557[16:47:16] <gm|and> note 7: you'll have a blast
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L562[16:57:03] <superminor2> They are hot right now
L563[16:57:09] <superminor2> Etc, etc
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L566[17:02:09] <gm|and> ok, i think i can make a rather hackish "ROM" for an SMS using only 11 pins on the arduino
L567[17:02:45] <gm|and> 10 if i want to emulate the BIOS, or press the pause button when ready
L568[17:02:54] <gm|and> erm, i mean reverse-engineer the BIOS
L569[17:03:14] <Temia> Is there even enough space in the flash memory?
L570[17:03:22] <Magik6k> GPT boot done: https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/acdc64dd-750f-4bc6-808e-f269b963de8e.png
L571[17:03:36] <gm|and> 32KB should be enough but i'd rather stream shit from my PC
L572[17:03:46] <Magik6k> Menu works too: https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/61228cf8-48b3-4c26-a322-180c17c6d74f.png
L573[17:03:50] <gm|and> and by stream shit i mean make it run a few 16-bit loads and then LDIR
L574[17:03:54] <Magik6k> gamax92, S3 payonel ^
L575[17:04:01] <gm|and> then JP to RAM
L576[17:04:11] <gm|and> CE input, D0-D7 tristate output, WAIT output
L577[17:04:32] <gm|and> the 11-pin ver also requires NMI as a tristate output
L578[17:06:17] <gm|and> Magik6k: is that based on actual GPT?
L579[17:06:24] <gm|and> erm, how close is it to actual GPT
L580[17:07:07] <Magik6k> SO close I actually used gdisk to create that image
L581[17:07:12] <Magik6k> *So
L582[17:07:28] <Magik6k> Well, it's GPT
L583[17:07:46] <gm|and> wew
L584[17:09:11] <Magik6k> I got -5 bytes free in that bios, probably won't fit netboot :/
L585[17:09:40] <gm|and> are you saying it's a 4091-byte bios or a 4101-byte bios
L586[17:11:16] <gm|and> could possibly come up with a compression scheme which is easy to unpack and doesn't require a data card
L587[17:11:50] <gm|and> an LZ77 scheme where the data is purely ASCII could work here
L588[17:12:11] <Magik6k> 4092 bytes, but I can do much to minimize the code
L589[17:12:16] <gm|and> could use LZ4 for inspiration
L590[17:12:34] <gm|and> ah, so in other words you could squeeze in some netboot anyway?
L591[17:12:51] <gm|and> how big is a GPT boot sector?
L592[17:13:05] <Magik6k> Maybe, but default option seems more important for now
L593[17:13:52] <Magik6k> GPT boot is first partition with GUID 4C7561426F6F744C6F616465436F6465, and it's null-padded Lua blob
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L595[17:14:03] <gm|and> ah alright
L596[17:14:46] <gm|and> wait what DOES that say anyway
L597[17:15:50] <gm|and> "LuaBootLoadeCode"
L598[17:15:55] <Magik6k> heh
L599[17:16:05] <gm|and> i know ASCII when i see it
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L601[17:16:39] <Magik6k> Bios boot partition is better: 21686148-6449-6E6F-744E-656564454649
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L610[17:20:17] <gm|and> !haH-dI-no-tN-eedEFI
L611[17:20:32] <gm|and> or more suitably: Hah!-Id-on-tN-eedEFI
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L613[17:23:41] <gm|and> reminds me of the mess that happened with Quod Libet
L614[17:23:45] <gm|and> (it's a music player program)
L615[17:24:10] <gm|and> they had to use a dummy URL so they used something like sebastian/droge/go/choke/on/a/bucket/of/cocks
L616[17:24:31] <gm|and> as expected, sebastian droge found out about this and posted an issue on the tracker
L617[17:24:46] <gm|and> no fucking clue who he actually is to be honest
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L625[18:21:37] <GreazyMcgeezy> o/
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L629[18:38:58] <S3> hmm
L630[18:40:46] <Temia> Mu?
L631[18:41:54] <Kimiro> Temia: Did you kick me in the chest?
L632[18:42:07] <Temia> No?
L633[18:42:25] <Temia> That'd be very rude of someone to do.
L634[18:42:52] <Kimiro> Very.
L635[18:46:53] <S3> roast beef
L636[18:48:04] <Kimiro> Meef Stroganoff.
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L638[18:51:42] <S3> I was thinking of cooking that tonightr
L639[18:51:44] <S3> stroganoff
L640[18:51:55] <S3> but susy was like, "EWWWWWWW too water"
L641[18:51:58] <S3> watery*
L642[18:51:59] <S3> wut
L643[18:52:18] <S3> because I was gonna cook the beef in my perpetual soup
L644[18:52:26] <S3> and then pull it out with tongs in a few hours
L645[18:52:41] <S3> but I don't think it'd be watery at all
L646[18:52:44] <S3> it'd be nice and tender
L647[18:53:18] <Kimiro> S3: I puked in your perpetual soup.
L648[18:53:29] <S3> it'd probably be edible..
L649[18:53:34] <S3> I don't think I'd eat it but
L650[18:53:47] <S3> there's probably worse shit in that soup
L651[18:54:46] <Kimiro> Heh.
L652[18:55:02] <Kimiro> Stomach acid is great for tenderizing meat.
L653[18:55:15] <S3> I wouldn't know
L654[18:55:24] <S3> but with all of the corpses that have been in it..
L655[18:55:54] <S3> get a deer from hunting and just cut off a leg and toss it in
L656[18:55:56] <S3> heh
L657[18:56:39] <S3> though you gotta take it out of the crock pot for that
L658[18:56:51] <S3> it's mostly chicken right now
L659[18:57:02] <S3> there's been a lot of chicken carcases in it lately
L660[18:58:10] <Kimiro> You should throw some kid in there.
L661[18:58:13] <Kimiro> :9
L662[18:58:18] <Kimiro> Goat soup.
L663[18:58:31] <S3> LOL that's a horrible play on words
L664[18:58:59] <S3> this one isn't actually that old yet
L665[18:59:10] <S3> I had to stop it for a while
L666[18:59:24] <S3> it sort of has to get packed up when you go on vacation
L667[19:00:37] <Kimiro> Yeah. Don't wanna burn down the house/apartment/mud hut.
L668[19:03:13] <Kimiro> Also. I'd prefer a stew to a soup, but that's harder to perpetuate.
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L670[19:17:56] <S3> well
L671[19:18:03] <S3> perpetual soup pretty much is stew
L672[19:18:23] <S3> it's kinda nice because you can make it what you want every day
L673[19:18:35] <S3> one day it can be pea soup
L674[19:18:42] <S3> and the next day squash soup
L675[19:18:48] <S3> it just cycles
L676[19:18:59] <S3> next say beef stew
L677[19:19:15] <Kimiro> Knowing me I'd make it into mushroom beef stew every day. :9
L678[19:21:34] <S3> well
L679[19:21:38] <S3> you could
L680[19:21:46] <S3> it's really cheap too
L681[19:22:01] <S3> crock pot on low? $5 USD a month electricity about.
L682[19:22:09] <S3> to let it simmer 24/7
L683[19:22:15] <S3> just add some water and more shit every day to ti
L684[19:22:16] <S3> it
L685[19:28:35] <S3> CompanionCube: nope
L686[19:28:39] <S3> I broke it
L687[19:28:58] <CompanionCube> how badly
L688[19:29:03] <S3> I have no idea
L689[19:29:08] <S3> I'm getting blank lines
L690[19:29:48] <S3> for _, plugin in ipairs(core:plugins_with('pluggable')) do print(plugin:provides()) end
L691[19:29:55] <S3> and I get blanks :(
L692[19:30:08] <S3> I was testing plugins_with
L693[19:30:23] <S3> this basically just prints all plugins loaded in a long way
L694[19:30:34] <S3> because all plugins load the "pluggable" mixin
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L696[19:34:14] <CompanionCube> S3: you could always add testing prints
L697[19:34:21] <S3> I did
L698[19:34:22] <S3> lol
L699[19:34:28] <S3> it's behaving so weird..
L700[19:34:28] <CompanionCube> and?
L701[19:34:35] <S3> like so
L702[19:34:56] <S3> this is pretty much my dumbass load plugin function:
L703[19:34:57] <S3> http://hastebin.com/cipizobiru.lua
L704[19:35:15] <S3> and I put prints in that, and see, the plugin has a value, until I insert it with table.insert
L705[19:35:25] <S3> after that it's blank.. but I can still call functions on iut
L706[19:35:26] <S3> it(
L707[19:35:27] <S3> XD
L708[19:35:53] <S3> heck if I print(plugin)
L709[19:35:56] <S3> it prints a blank line
L710[19:35:59] <S3> dafuq
L711[19:36:21] <S3> or I think that's what I did
L712[19:36:43] <S3> and yes I know I've got assert with no damn reason
L713[19:36:45] <S3> :P
L714[19:36:56] <S3> I kinda just threw that there
L715[19:49:08] <Katie> damn it
L716[19:53:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> Anyone here seen where the Screen attached to a computer stops working?
L717[19:53:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> Computer boots, but screen is black
L718[19:53:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> Tier 3 for both graphics card and screen.
L719[19:54:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> Even restarted the server. no go.
L720[19:54:46] <Kimiro> GreazyMcgeezy: Try giving the screen a redstone pulse.
L721[19:56:44] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: is the computer connected to any other screens
L722[19:57:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> No, just this one.
L723[19:57:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> Kimiro, Unfamiliar with giving a redstone pulse to a screen?
L724[19:58:12] <Kimiro> Just slap a button on the side and press it.
L725[19:59:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> No go
L726[20:00:14] <Kimiro> Hm. Usually the issue I have with my Stargate dialer.
L727[20:03:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hmm... that was odd. Somehow the HDD that was in it was not OpenOS. Going to start banning people...
L728[20:04:33] <Kimiro> For using a different OS?
L729[20:04:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> It was just no OS on the HDD. The floppy was inserted with OpenOS and the EEPROM had LUA
L730[20:04:51] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym
L731[20:04:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> It was just no OS on the HDD. The floppy was inserted with OpenOS and the EEPROM had Lua
L732[20:05:38] <GreazyMcgeezy> Someone is touchy about the name of the language.
L733[20:05:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Enough to write a bot.
L734[20:05:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol
L735[20:06:02] <Kimiro> There also used to be one for "alot".
L736[20:06:06] <Katie> No... the bot existed long before that was added
L737[20:06:12] <Katie> %alot enable
L738[20:06:14] <MichiBot> Katie: Enabled Alot for this channel
L739[20:06:17] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, alot pisses me off too
L740[20:06:17] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L741[20:06:17] <Katie> "used to be"
L742[20:06:19] <Katie> ahem.
L743[20:06:26] <Kimiro> Lel
L744[20:06:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> I meant to put that in quotes
L745[20:06:39] <Kimiro> I love this alot bot.
L746[20:06:40] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L747[20:07:12] <Katie> %alot disable
L748[20:07:13] <MichiBot> Katie: Disabled Alot for this channel
L749[20:07:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> Can you make one understand context for they're/their/there?
L750[20:07:25] <Kimiro> Would be tricky.
L751[20:07:37] <GreazyMcgeezy> That one annoys the piss out of me too.
L752[20:07:51] <Kimiro> They're their there.
L753[20:07:55] <Kimiro> It's okay.
L754[20:08:04] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha. I see what you did their
L755[20:08:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> :p
L756[20:09:52] <Kimiro> There's also the archaic þere.
L757[20:10:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> So, if you have an EEPROM with Lua, an OpenOS Floppy and a blank HDD, isn't the computer supposed to boot?
L758[20:10:46] <GreazyMcgeezy> So you can "install" OpenOS on the HDD?
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L760[20:10:49] <Kimiro> Probably.
L761[20:11:02] <Kimiro> Otherwise how would you install the OS?
L762[20:11:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> I mean, it did boot, but the screen was black.
L763[20:11:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> I could hear it booting.
L764[20:11:31] <GreazyMcgeezy> The only diff I made, was to replace the blank HDD with an OpenOS HDD, then power off/on
L765[20:11:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Booted, pulled HDD, inserted blank HDD and ran install.
L766[20:12:37] <CompanionCube> I would suggest that it tried to boot from the HDD, but it'd give an error due to init.lua being missing
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L768[20:12:59] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: did you try using the analyzer thing on the computer
L769[20:13:16] <Kimiro> Heh. Anal-yzer.
L770[20:13:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, it didn't show any issues.
L771[20:13:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Said components connected, but nothing out of the ordinary
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L773[20:14:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> It was a blank screen even after a server reboot
L774[20:14:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> Which was odd
L775[20:15:23] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: I think I've had that happen
L776[20:16:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Glad to know I'm not the only one!
L777[20:17:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> Was just trying to get a HDD ready for a new server so I can build a PDNS (Pseudo DNS) server and was starting to think I should just take a shotgun to my PC.
L778[20:19:06] * CompanionCube wonders if you looked at Magi6k's DNS thing
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L780[20:21:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> I did not. I was aware from last night's conversation that "someone" had built a DNS system, but wasn't aware where to look.
L781[20:22:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> Plus, this project sounds kind of fun.
L782[20:23:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> I definitely won't be going to the full extent of adding IP addresses and running BIND, but just using a table on the PDNS server.
L783[20:24:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> So the device name will resolve back to the "as9s-axve889678-as78v887-thislongasfuckaddress"
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L786[20:27:36] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: CompanionCube has built the best dns system
L787[20:27:43] <S3> as it is protocol independent
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L789[20:27:49] <CompanionCube> S3: technically I haven't
L790[20:27:55] <S3> oh?
L791[20:27:58] <CompanionCube> because the implementatin is broken as shit
L792[20:28:03] <CompanionCube> and I never got round to fixing it
L793[20:28:11] <S3> lol
L794[20:28:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> Wouldn't a lua table on the PDNS server also be protocol independent?
L795[20:28:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> I wasn't planning on implementing TCP/IP
L796[20:28:32] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: that's actually how it works internally
L797[20:28:47] <S3> why would you want to
L798[20:28:56] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: implement OCRS-1 and OCRM-1
L799[20:28:56] <S3> :)
L800[20:28:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> I have no clue.
L801[20:29:12] <S3> I gotta throw up those specs at some point.. on the forum
L802[20:29:41] <CompanionCube> someone should finally getting around to creating some list of 'standards' for OC
L803[20:30:08] <S3> CompanionCube: thereis on the forum
L804[20:30:21] <CompanionCube> also
L805[20:30:30] <CompanionCube> TIL my broken package is used an example on the wiki
L806[20:30:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I think building an entire network stack would be overkill though.
L807[20:30:39] <CompanionCube> http://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:program:oppm
L808[20:30:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> Especially for what I was attempting.
L809[20:31:23] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: OCR is pretty low
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L811[20:32:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> What are you referring to with the OCR stuff? I'm not familiar with that.
L812[20:32:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> Link?
L813[20:32:34] <S3> it's a protocol I wrote a while back. so. In most cases, with OC you need something simple
L814[20:32:45] <S3> however, I wanted a high bandwidth network for connecting multiple MC servers together
L815[20:32:49] <S3> so I came up with OCR
L816[20:32:53] <S3> which is similar to ATM
L817[20:32:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> I see
L818[20:33:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> so a circuit switched protocol
L819[20:33:12] <S3> it is
L820[20:33:19] <Kimiro> Crazy kids.
L821[20:33:24] <S3> OCRS is ATM like, while OCRM is more STM / SONET
L822[20:33:56] <S3> OCRM-1 is capable of throughup up to about 160 - 180KB/s
L823[20:34:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> I see. So we'd actually add fields for addional L2/L3 addressing.
L824[20:34:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> Since L4 is already in place.
L825[20:34:16] <S3> in Minecraft
L826[20:34:33] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/OpenPrograms/samis-Programs/tree/master/nidus you're welcome to steal anything from this, it's MIT
L827[20:35:04] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: yes, it uses an ISDN like addressing space, tiered
L828[20:35:14] <S3> and PNNI is available
L829[20:35:17] <S3> for dynamic routing
L830[20:36:11] <GreazyMcgeezy> I can certainly appreciate all that. I'm trying to think of WHY I would need such an advanced feature set, but I'm sure others would.
L831[20:36:32] <S3> prbably won't
L832[20:36:46] <S3> although the idea is to create a minecraft internet
L833[20:36:50] <S3> called the "OCRANET"
L834[20:36:56] <CompanionCube> just think of the reasoning for most side projects: 'Because we can.'
L835[20:37:00] <S3> yep
L836[20:37:22] <Kimiro> CompanionCube: We do what we must because we can.
L837[20:37:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> I mainly wanted it for robots and drones. So I can easily refer to them using the SEND command and ultimately have a unicast/multicast setup
L838[20:37:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> I just feel so... dirty, broadcasting everything.
L839[20:38:17] <CompanionCube> no wonder, it's like using an ethernet hub for everything
L840[20:38:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> Perfect analogy
L841[20:38:55] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: yeah ocr uses PPP like connections
L842[20:39:04] <S3> because fuck broadcasyt
L843[20:39:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> So it even allows for authentication
L844[20:39:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> ?
L845[20:39:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> That'd be pretty slick actually...
L846[20:39:25] <S3> I suppose. I wasn't too worried.
L847[20:39:40] <S3> it's more like, the telco station knows your UUID
L848[20:39:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, if it goes "OCRANET" I think that woudl be important
L849[20:40:01] <S3> courtesy of CompanionCube iirc
L850[20:40:05] <S3> as a pun on ARPANET
L851[20:40:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> Sure, I got it :)
L852[20:40:36] <Kimiro> So how about them internets.
L853[20:40:37] <S3> but really I'm working mostly on my OS
L854[20:40:53] <S3> networking is very important for my system
L855[20:40:54] <CompanionCube> S3: did you ever get far with the erlang thing
L856[20:41:10] <S3> CompanionCube: not really, I'm not worried just yet
L857[20:41:16] <S3> I think small is good for start
L858[20:41:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol, I received an email today from "Arbor Networks" talking about their knowledge of DDNS mitigation and skillsets trying to sell me services. I sent it to my coworkers referring to, "I think this guy meant to send this to DynDNS"
L859[20:41:43] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: my tier one switch hub idea was to create an erlang program to do it on top of Xen
L860[20:41:48] <S3> that spawns a xen vm for evry connection
L861[20:41:56] <S3> granted each vm would be very very tiny
L862[20:42:03] <S3> we're talking bytes of memory..
L863[20:42:06] <S3> and an ipv6 address
L864[20:42:06] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right
L865[20:42:23] <S3> basically the erlangonxen zerg approach
L866[20:42:36] <S3> spawning 50,000 vms in under 100 microseconds XD
L867[20:42:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> That'd be nice. I wonder if a super slimmed down version of docker/tupperware could do something like that?
L868[20:42:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh, no, it couldn't do THAT
L869[20:42:52] <S3> I lied
L870[20:43:03] <S3> but I wanted to make it sound amazing because it is
L871[20:43:16] <CompanionCube> what's the real number
L872[20:43:23] <GreazyMcgeezy> HAHA, nice approach. That reminds me of the doctor on Silicon Valley
L873[20:43:33] <S3> CompanionCube: definately not
L874[20:43:42] <S3> a few seconds maybe
L875[20:43:46] <S3> although
L876[20:44:00] <S3> in Perl I can spawn 50,000 concurrent coroutines in that time..
L877[20:44:04] <S3> on my desktop
L878[20:44:17] <S3> though Perl is weird.
L879[20:44:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> "What if I told you I could do/sell you THIS!!!" "You have that?" "Well no... not yet, but..."
L880[20:44:31] <S3> LOL
L881[20:44:32] <S3> :D
L882[20:45:00] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: my os is a unix like that replaces the old file descriptor file subsystem with an object oriented file subsystem
L883[20:45:03] <S3> using mixins
L884[20:45:14] <S3> so if you open /sys/net/socket with open()
L885[20:45:28] <S3> you get a filehandle with a file descriptor and mixins that pertain to it being a socket, etc
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L887[20:45:37] <GreazyMcgeezy> Interesting
L888[20:46:00] <S3> this method is recursive, so open can actually open recursively to create a chain of encapsulated network protcols for example
L889[20:46:06] <S3> that do all the work for you
L890[20:46:08] <CompanionCube> i should learn erlang, but it's on my ever-growing list
L891[20:46:16] <S3> I don't know it super well
L892[20:46:18] <S3> erlang is weird.
L893[20:46:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right. So you could ultimately us the current address/send functionality to encapsulate another message.
L894[20:46:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or you'd implement an entirely new system for that using the OCR
L895[20:46:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> ?
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L898[20:47:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh shit... encapsulation... that could be the answer to actually creating a local(non OCRANET) ip stack...
L899[20:47:56] <S3> right.
L900[20:48:00] <S3> layer independent protocols.
L901[20:48:04] <S3> build a stack of whatever type you want
L902[20:48:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right
L903[20:48:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> Now that's interesting.
L904[20:48:19] <S3> you could be ass backwards and do ip/tcp
L905[20:48:22] <S3> instead of tcp/ip
L906[20:48:42] <S3> if that doesn't make sense just remember, data is data...
L907[20:48:45] <S3> heh
L908[20:48:50] <GreazyMcgeezy> Honestly, if we just added an additional field for IP on the network card
L909[20:48:53] <S3> your processes would be binding to ip addresses
L910[20:48:53] <S3> XD
L911[20:49:01] <S3> directly
L912[20:49:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> Then we could do TCP/IP
L913[20:49:10] <CompanionCube> my ever-growing list also includes implementing something very Smalltalk-esque in Lua
L914[20:49:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> No
L915[20:49:14] <GreazyMcgeezy> It would still be IP/TCP
L916[20:49:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> But only based on L4 port usage
L917[20:49:24] <S3> heh
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L919[20:49:38] <S3> but there's also lyqydnet
L920[20:49:47] <S3> and other network protocols used in CC / OC
L921[20:49:50] <S3> I'd wish to implement
L922[20:50:06] <GreazyMcgeezy> Which that ENTIRE concept is odd, because you NORMALLY can't get to L4 without first going through L3. In this instance however, the L2 address is being used as L3 so L4 comes into play.
L923[20:50:10] <S3> and of course interfaces are the most complicated part usually.,.
L924[20:50:20] <S3> because interfaces have to be the most generic
L925[20:50:46] <S3> but hey with my oop system I've been hacking on from rxi, I can do shit like
L926[20:51:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hmmm... along with PDNS could come... PDHCP
L927[20:51:11] <S3> if Interface:does('802.1Ethernet') then end
L928[20:51:25] <S3> thanks to mixins
L929[20:51:31] <S3> i hate inheritance, I avoid it at all costs heh
L930[20:51:40] <S3> it's dangerous
L931[20:51:45] <CompanionCube> inheritance is a good thing for polymorphism
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L933[20:52:19] <S3> mixins do it better though, and they avoid what my friend at the hacker club calls the "bunny problem"
L934[20:52:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> Heh, you guys have lost me on inheritance and polymorphism. I know certain things that use "inheritance" but I doubt it's in the same context.
L935[20:52:22] <S3> don't ask heh..
L936[20:52:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'm actually not what I'd consider a very experienced programmer.
L937[20:52:43] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: well inheritance works by falling back to another object if a member is not found.
L938[20:52:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> I do network almost exclusively.
L939[20:53:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> I see, so instead of inheriting behaviors, it's used as a fallback
L940[20:53:21] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: did you ever learn OOP
L941[20:53:28] <S3> a mixin sounds more dangerous but isn't really, it requires you to just not be a dumbass- anyways a mixin literally takes functions and members and slams them into your object
L942[20:53:34] <CompanionCube> because iirc that's the sort of inheritance being discussed
L943[20:54:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> Some, I played with PHP for a bit but didn't get into creating classes for the stuff I used. And I haven't gotten that far in python yet
L944[20:54:46] <GreazyMcgeezy> So, I thought that's what the "inheriting behaviors" I mentioned was used for.
L945[20:54:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> I didn't realize if the child didn't exist it would fall back to parent
L946[20:55:11] <S3> yeah that's how inheritance is usually writtem
L947[20:55:13] <S3> written*
L948[20:55:21] <S3> it's like an OOP autoloader
L949[20:55:42] <S3> oh, function foo() doesn't exist? okay, call the parent function but pass the current child as the reference
L950[20:55:45] <S3> pretty much
L951[20:56:01] <S3> this is not a bad thing
L952[20:56:06] <CompanionCube> and it's 'recursive' - it can go up multiple levels (shit term, ik(
L953[20:56:11] <S3> but imagine you have a bunch of animals that all inherit animal..
L954[20:56:17] <S3> it becomes very convoluted
L955[20:56:36] <S3> that and good implementations allow you to do multiple inheritance
L956[20:56:41] <S3> where you inherit more than one thing
L957[20:56:42] <CompanionCube> S3: I suppose it's important to find a balance
L958[20:57:02] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: mixins are generally used as roles
L959[20:57:04] <S3> so like
L960[20:57:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> So ultimately creating tiered attributes
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L962[20:57:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> Based on class
L963[20:57:14] <S3> instead of inheriting an ability
L964[20:57:20] <S3> you're consuming it
L965[20:57:33] <S3> i.e. my plugins consume the plugin role
L966[20:57:45] <S3> so they actually embed plugin features. now the cool thing is with mixins
L967[20:58:03] <S3> is that the plugin role can actually reference functions in the child class that don't exist in the role
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L969[20:58:31] <GreazyMcgeezy> eh? So like a reverse inheritance? Are you using globals for that?
L970[20:58:38] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or just "requiring" the child?
L971[20:58:47] <S3> yeah imagine you have this inheritance scenario
L972[20:58:52] <S3> you have Sheep
L973[20:58:54] <S3> and you have Animal
L974[20:58:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'm probably way off, like I say, <---not a programmer, lol.
L975[20:59:05] <S3> now Animals need to eat
L976[20:59:51] <S3> so in inheritance, you could have a food type and then some sort of feed() function
L977[21:00:03] <S3> and you could overload this in the Sheep class to make it go Baa when it eats
L978[21:00:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> food type and feed() woudl be part of Animal yes?
L979[21:00:26] <S3> however, using a mixin, you don't need to do any overloading
L980[21:00:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> No
L981[21:00:34] <GreazyMcgeezy> feed() woudl be Animal, food type woudl be Sheep
L982[21:00:39] <S3> well
L983[21:00:42] <S3> the problem is
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L985[21:00:52] <S3> if Animal doesn't have a stub for the food type
L986[21:01:11] <S3> most oop implementations will not let you check the food type in the animal class
L987[21:01:18] <S3> because it doesn't have it, sheep has it, and oh shit
L988[21:01:41] <S3> but since mixins are consumed it can access ALL child class members directly
L989[21:02:01] <GreazyMcgeezy> I see
L990[21:02:14] <S3> take for example
L991[21:02:24] <S3> should Car inherit engine, or engine inherit car?
L992[21:02:32] <S3> doesn't that sound weird both ways?
L993[21:02:36] <S3> not all cars have engines
L994[21:02:44] <S3> it makes more sense to have car consume engine if it wants to.
L995[21:02:52] <S3> to now the car "has a" engine
L996[21:03:13] <S3> instead of having an ethernet interface object
L997[21:03:19] <S3> and having it inherit interface
L998[21:03:37] <S3> it makes it a bit more robust to have a generic interface object consume ethernet.
L999[21:03:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Have an interface object, and inheret ethernet
L1000[21:03:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah
L1001[21:03:59] <S3> yeah, but imagine if it inherited ethernet instead
L1002[21:04:17] <S3> now, if your oop implementation doesn't support multiple inheritance, it can't do anything but ethernet
L1003[21:04:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> AHHH
L1004[21:04:30] <CompanionCube> S3: shouldn't car *contain* an engine
L1005[21:04:38] <S3> CompanionCube: right but same idea
L1006[21:04:44] <S3> it consumes the role of having an engine
L1007[21:04:57] <CompanionCube> isn't that composition rather than mixins
L1008[21:05:13] <S3> that's what mixins do
L1009[21:05:19] <S3> they're a composing approach
L1010[21:05:22] <CompanionCube> what I meant war
L1011[21:05:27] <S3> lol
L1012[21:05:34] <CompanionCube> the car has an instance variable that contains an engine
L1013[21:05:43] <S3> there is only one downside I have ever found with mixins
L1014[21:05:50] <GreazyMcgeezy> But, in this specific example, those protocols (ethernet, wireless ethernet, ATM, Frame relay) are all layer 2 encapsulations
L1015[21:05:53] <S3> and that is, you're polluting your namespace (often permanently)
L1016[21:05:59] <S3> now in Perl you can actually remove roles but
L1017[21:06:02] <S3> in Moose
L1018[21:06:21] <S3> but my lua oop modifications on rxi classic, it's permanent lol
L1019[21:06:45] <S3> I personally think as long as you're mindful of what you're doing it's no bi deal
L1020[21:06:48] <S3> big deal*
L1021[21:06:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> So, since the internet stack goes L1 - 7, the interface card would be L1 which would have attributes pertaining to the L1 characteristics that ALL L2 protocols share
L1022[21:07:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> Then L3 could inherit ANY L2
L1023[21:07:29] <S3> right
L1024[21:07:48] <S3> however if you want layer independent stuff
L1025[21:07:50] <CompanionCube> (technically it's the OSI stack, but that's being pedantic)
L1026[21:07:55] <S3> then the interface shouldn't be doing any of it
L1027[21:08:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hahah, yes, the OSI Model
L1028[21:08:06] <S3> an interface is really an input / output pipe with configuration
L1029[21:08:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> You are absolutely correct, and I forget I'm speaking with non-laymen here.
L1030[21:08:33] <S3> so an interface should let me put stuff in one end of the interface pipe and have it come out the other, vice versa, and let me configure each protocol associated with it
L1031[21:08:53] <S3> the interface itself should do absolutely nothing to the network
L1032[21:09:04] <GreazyMcgeezy> Nope, just provide L1
L1033[21:09:12] <S3> besides be a man in the middle for user application -> hardware drivers
L1034[21:09:37] <S3> I gues syou can think of an interface as the network subsystem shell
L1035[21:09:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, that sounds about right
L1036[21:09:47] <S3> a shell on a *nix machine seperates user process from hardware
L1037[21:09:56] <S3> of course there's kernel in there too but
L1038[21:10:10] <S3> not going to get into that :D
L1039[21:10:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right, and it's intuitively thought of as physical only, however yes, it has software/code
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L1041[21:15:35] <S3> right, though an interface is truly transparent
L1042[21:15:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Agreed
L1043[21:16:01] <GreazyMcgeezy> As long as the connection exists and L2 matches
L1044[21:16:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> Otherwise it's down, and easily becomes something to look at :)
L1045[21:16:30] <S3> lol
L1046[21:17:07] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: so what do you do with relation to networking
L1047[21:17:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> Sr Network Engineer for a global cloud provider.
L1048[21:18:53] <CompanionCube> oo, nice
L1049[21:18:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> Pushing for a promotion, but isn't everyone?
L1050[21:18:57] <CompanionCube> Amazon?
L1051[21:19:07] * CompanionCube is just guessing
L1052[21:19:32] <S3> I stay the hell away from big companies
L1053[21:19:42] <GreazyMcgeezy> No, but they sent me an invite to an "Invite Only" interview day in Seattle, expenses paid. I didn't even respond, lol.
L1054[21:19:47] <S3> I like companies where I can call everybody by their first and last name
L1055[21:19:57] <S3> in the entire corporation
L1056[21:20:04] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, both have perks.
L1057[21:20:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> I've done both
L1058[21:20:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> The thing about small companies is the lack of experienced co-workers
L1059[21:20:42] <S3> I actually was a *nix sysadmin but then I decided to go back to school
L1060[21:20:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> Where I'm at now, I'm on a team of about 30 engineers.
L1061[21:20:58] <S3> oh yes
L1062[21:20:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> All versed in multiple facets of networking.
L1063[21:21:11] <S3> at my last sysadmin related job, my boss was a business major.
L1064[21:21:13] <S3> ...
L1065[21:21:36] <S3> for the technical department
L1066[21:21:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I see that happen all the time.
L1067[21:21:49] <GreazyMcgeezy> And mostly in small companies
L1068[21:21:53] <S3> almost makes sense but eh
L1069[21:22:02] <S3> she couldn't understand quite a lot
L1070[21:22:15] <S3> you'd try to explain wy something was not really feasible
L1071[21:22:21] <S3> and she'd be like "do it anyways!"
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L1073[21:22:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol, coincidentally, part of our team is split into smaller sections in light of a recent merger. One of the new managers gets this "deer in the headlights" look anytime one of his members starts talking to him.
L1074[21:23:26] <S3> lol
L1075[21:23:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> I thougt about entertaining the Amazon invite, but I would have had to move to Seattle and work from an office everyday.
L1076[21:24:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> I currently work from home, on 11 acres in North Carolina. When I'm getting frustrated, I go outside and shoot guns for about 30 mins and feel better all of a sudden.
L1077[21:24:50] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or, have conference calls from my screened in patio while having a cigar.
L1078[21:25:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> And the thougth of putting on pants to go to work just doesn't seem to appeal to me anymore.
L1079[21:25:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> thought*
L1080[21:25:37] <Temia> Probably for the best. Seattle would likely drive you up the wall.
L1081[21:25:49] <GreazyMcgeezy> No doubt. I've been there, but it's too liberal for me.
L1082[21:25:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> Parts of NC are too, but where I am it's certainly not.
L1083[21:26:38] <Temia> Ironically a lot of the locals are sick of tech company transients crowding them out too.
L1084[21:26:43] <CompanionCube> lol at the 'putting on pants' part
L1085[21:26:52] <Temia> So double whammy for not making a lot of friends over here.
L1086[21:28:34] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah. I can understand that. Since I work from home and never really meet anyone, the only way to make friends where I am is to go to a cul....church. So I don't have any friends here.
L1087[21:29:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> Plus the $15/hr movement is strong in Seattle, and I dont' think I could deal with that.
L1088[21:29:56] <S3> oly sit
L1089[21:30:00] <S3> tat's a lot of money
L1090[21:30:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> That's for minimum wage
L1091[21:30:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> Is what they're pushing for.
L1092[21:30:33] <S3> wat is minimum wage now?
L1093[21:31:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> For some reason, people think that high school students flipping burgers at McDonald's is worth the same as people who have been in the workforce for years or who have an associates degree.
L1094[21:31:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> It depends per state I think
L1095[21:31:39] <S3> ruight
L1096[21:31:45] <S3> it's 7.50 about here.
L1097[21:31:46] <GreazyMcgeezy> $7.25 here in NC
L1098[21:31:57] <S3> this is Maine
L1099[21:32:01] <S3> actually lemme look it up
L1100[21:32:04] <S3> it's been a while
L1101[21:32:14] <S3> 7.50
L1102[21:32:18] <Temia> It's not a matter of worth, it's a matter of them literally not being able to survive on that little even with a full workload.
L1103[21:32:25] <Temia> The property prices here are crazy.
L1104[21:32:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> Schedule 1 employers shall pay each employee an hourly minimum wage of at least:
L1105[21:32:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> $11.00 by April 1, 2015
L1106[21:32:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> $13.00 by January 1, 2016
L1107[21:32:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> $15.00 by January 1, 2017
L1108[21:32:39] <S3> Maine just has high property taxes
L1109[21:32:42] <GreazyMcgeezy> That's from the Seattle.gov website
L1110[21:33:02] <S3> but sales tax just went up
L1111[21:33:11] <S3> to the old ridiculously high price of 6%
L1112[21:33:23] <GreazyMcgeezy> Temia, so do the people who've been working for years and at $15/hour get an equal percentage increase?
L1113[21:33:28] <S3> I preferred it at 5% it was easy to calculate in your head
L1114[21:33:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> Also, who expects to "live" off of a McDonald's salary?
L1115[21:33:46] <Temia> Not "live".
L1116[21:33:47] <Temia> Survive.
L1117[21:33:49] <Temia> As in not die.
L1118[21:34:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> Were people dying?
L1119[21:34:06] <Temia> Yes.
L1120[21:34:13] <Temia> Seattle's got a big problem with homelessness.
L1121[21:34:17] <GreazyMcgeezy> So did Tampa
L1122[21:34:27] <GreazyMcgeezy> We even have a few here in the small NC town I live in
L1123[21:34:31] <Temia> No, BIG.
L1124[21:34:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> There was at least one on almost every corner in Tampa
L1125[21:34:48] <Temia> It's gotten too expensive to live here or even in the surrounding area for a lot of people.
L1126[21:34:54] <GreazyMcgeezy> Since it was warm year round, it really seemed to draw them in.
L1127[21:35:49] <Temia> I have to live in the hood AND room with others, myself.
L1128[21:35:49] <S3> meh
L1129[21:35:58] <S3> we have plenty of homeless people here
L1130[21:36:00] <GreazyMcgeezy> Why do you stay?
L1131[21:36:09] <Temia> Because I can't afford to move.
L1132[21:36:24] <S3> Temia: build a microhouse
L1133[21:36:31] <Temia> Haha, where
L1134[21:36:40] <S3> I dunno, middle of the woods?
L1135[21:36:47] <S3> some place with internet
L1136[21:36:53] <S3> and electricity
L1137[21:37:05] <Temia> Oh hey, there's that whole money thing again.
L1138[21:37:08] <S3> here in Maine in many towns micro houses are legal
L1139[21:37:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> I was in a pretty poor place too after my 2nd DUI. Lost my job, car, etc.
L1140[21:37:16] <S3> and if your property and house is <= 10ft x 10ft
L1141[21:37:19] <Temia> Never had a car to begin with here.
L1142[21:37:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> All of my money went to fees etc.
L1143[21:37:21] <S3> then there's no property taxes
L1144[21:37:24] <S3> XD
L1145[21:37:50] <S3> how can you not have a car..
L1146[21:37:53] <S3> well actuallyu
L1147[21:37:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> So, I found a job in Florida first, then moved there. Ate ramen noodles and spaghetti o's for several months so I could afford rent.
L1148[21:37:59] <S3> I am one to talk
L1149[21:38:02] <Temia> Seattle's crazy about mass transit.
L1150[21:38:03] <S3> I just drive other people's cars
L1151[21:38:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, that's waht I was going to say, public trans in Seattle is EXCELLENT
L1152[21:38:26] <S3> you can't really live in Maine without being able to drive
L1153[21:38:27] <Temia> Also I can't afford Driver's Ed and I'm too much of a nervous wreck to get behind a wheel and not be a danger to myself and others anyway.
L1154[21:38:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Compared to anywhere else I've been
L1155[21:38:34] <S3> I mean I did for years but it was not easy
L1156[21:38:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I did after that 2nd DUI, lol
L1157[21:38:46] <S3> I didn't even take drivers ed
L1158[21:38:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> Rode a bike/bus EVERYWHERE
L1159[21:38:58] <S3> I just went for my permit and got my license when I felt ready
L1160[21:39:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> Driver's Ed was offered as a high school class in VA
L1161[21:39:35] <Temia> The fact that it's even possible to just do that explains way too many drivers.
L1162[21:39:37] <GreazyMcgeezy> Actually part of the Health/PE course for 10th graders.
L1163[21:39:46] <S3> Temia: if you move to NH
L1164[21:39:48] <Temia> No.
L1165[21:39:59] <S3> Temia: then you don't need a license to drive a car with somebody who has a license in the passenger seat
L1166[21:40:01] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, in VA it's certainly more rural than Seattle.
L1167[21:40:03] <S3> or a permit
L1168[21:40:09] <S3> you just have to be at least 15
L1169[21:40:13] <S3> or maybe it's 16
L1170[21:40:33] <Temia> Again, there is no moving for me because I can't afford to go more than short distance moves.
L1171[21:40:37] <GreazyMcgeezy> Where I lived, I had to drive for 30 minutes to even get to a bus stop
L1172[21:40:51] <S3> Temia: I don't believe that, but I understand
L1173[21:41:08] <S3> and the reason why I don't believe that, is becaue my cousin was almost homeless and moved from cali to maine by bus
L1174[21:41:17] <S3> with like no money whatsoever
L1175[21:41:20] <Temia> I have a post-rent budget of under $200. That includes food, bills, toiletries and other basic living needs.
L1176[21:41:32] <S3> granted they were homeless for a few weeks or so
L1177[21:41:35] <S3> when they got here
L1178[21:41:35] <Temia> Your cousin didn't have any actual belongings that didn't fit in a suitcase, did they?
L1179[21:41:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> Like I say, if you can save up enough for 1 to 2 months rent, and you can find a job that pays enough for rent + expenses, then you can do it.
L1180[21:41:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> I did
L1181[21:41:46] <S3> Temia: sold everything
L1182[21:42:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> My parents drove me from VA to Florida in one SUV that contained my PC, some clothes and the 3 of us.
L1183[21:42:39] <S3> heh
L1184[21:42:41] <S3> all you need
L1185[21:42:44] <Temia> Of course. My stuff has little to no net worth -- I might be able to get another $200 out of it. Maybe.
L1186[21:42:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I bought an air mattress when I got there and a hand pump.
L1187[21:43:12] <Temia> Doubtful, though.
L1188[21:43:16] <S3> Temia: you could move to antarctica
L1189[21:43:24] <S3> they're hirin people to do commonwork
L1190[21:43:27] <S3> build towns n' shit
L1191[21:43:38] <S3> plumbing, elecrical, heating, etc
L1192[21:43:43] <Temia> I'm pretty sure building more than research facilities is kind of against multiple treaties?
L1193[21:43:45] <Temia> So calling bullshit.
L1194[21:43:51] <S3> :D
L1195[21:43:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> Actually, I think there are states (Montana, Alaska maybe?) that will actually give you a stipend to live there.
L1196[21:44:10] <S3> ALASKA IS ONE
L1197[21:44:13] <S3> I do know that
L1198[21:44:16] <Temia> Frankly, I've half a mind to disown my american citizenship and move to Ontario.
L1199[21:44:16] <S3> alaska will pay you to move there
L1200[21:44:29] <S3> if you want to live in the middle of fucking nowhere with a pilot to fly you around
L1201[21:44:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> Just curious, how old are you?
L1202[21:44:38] <Temia> Just shy of 27.
L1203[21:44:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> And what experience do you have?
L1204[21:44:41] <S3> oh shit
L1205[21:44:43] <S3> oh shit
L1206[21:44:51] <S3> damn it
L1207[21:44:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> ??
L1208[21:45:16] <S3> well I'm getting tired of being older than everyoine
L1209[21:45:18] <S3> XD
L1210[21:45:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> He doesn't have me beat.
L1211[21:45:29] <Temia> She.
L1212[21:45:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> Sorry :(
L1213[21:45:35] <S3> wut
L1214[21:45:43] <S3> I am not a girl..
L1215[21:45:48] <S3> don't listen to AmandaC!
L1216[21:45:52] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think she meant Temia
L1217[21:45:53] <Temia> GreazyMcgeezy was referring to me.
L1218[21:45:54] <S3> oh
L1219[21:46:00] <S3> yeah I knew that
L1220[21:46:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha
L1221[21:46:04] <Temia> e_e
L1222[21:46:10] <S3> there's no girls on the internet but I believe her
L1223[21:46:11] <S3> lol
L1224[21:46:44] * S3 is 28 and needs a time machine
L1225[21:46:49] <GreazyMcgeezy> Not suggesting it, but I think if I were female... I wouldn't want for anything.
L1226[21:47:00] <GreazyMcgeezy> Geez, you made it sound like you were grandpa
L1227[21:47:06] <S3> no
L1228[21:47:09] <S3> I'm definately not
L1229[21:47:09] <Katie> Please don't tell me I'm the oldest here...
L1230[21:47:10] <Katie> please
L1231[21:47:14] <S3> you probably are
L1232[21:47:19] <S3> Katie is over the damn hill
L1233[21:47:27] <Temia> Greazy, I'll be perfectly honest.
L1234[21:47:31] <GreazyMcgeezy> You throw out a number and we'll see if you have me beat?
L1235[21:47:32] <Temia> I'd sooner buy a gun and end it all than sell my body.
L1236[21:47:34] <Katie> 31 in December
L1237[21:47:45] <Temia> Maybe even take a few misogynistic miscreants with me :D
L1238[21:47:48] <S3> yeah that shit is dark
L1239[21:47:52] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I know Temia. I can understand that, and my perspective is from someone with a penis.
L1240[21:47:59] <S3> OOH!
L1241[21:48:02] <S3> Temia: I have an idea..
L1242[21:48:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> Nah, you're not the oldest Katie.
L1243[21:48:14] <Katie> \o/
L1244[21:48:15] <S3> pull a bunch of finaid and move to some university
L1245[21:48:19] <Katie> Party tiem
L1246[21:48:21] <S3> then you can move anywhere
L1247[21:48:23] <GreazyMcgeezy> But I am starting to feel a little out of place...
L1248[21:48:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol
L1249[21:48:41] <Katie> I'm usually the oldest in my group of friends
L1250[21:48:53] <Temia> I probably do qualify for a number of scholarships, and my father is offering to put me up if I pursue college in Guelph, so... honestly, maybe.
L1251[21:48:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> When in December? Do we share a bday?
L1252[21:49:03] <Katie> 11th
L1253[21:49:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh. 29th here.
L1254[21:49:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> And I'll be 37 this coming one.
L1255[21:49:18] <Katie> Was supposed to be the 25th
L1256[21:49:20] <Katie> said nah eff that
L1257[21:49:22] <Temia> I did however fuck up my access to the Pell grant by attempting college over here though and cracking under the pressure :/
L1258[21:49:34] <S3> I don't live on campus, but I sure as heck moved to attend my school
L1259[21:49:38] <Temia> 15th, as a note.
L1260[21:49:42] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'd take him up on that Temia.
L1261[21:49:48] <Temia> Yeah, I know.
L1262[21:49:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> Free room/board AND get to go to school?
L1263[21:49:53] <Temia> I just... don't like him much :/
L1264[21:49:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> Will they pay for school?
L1265[21:49:59] <S3> Temia: don't worry about that, that's determined by the school
L1266[21:49:59] <Temia> And I have family in this area.
L1267[21:50:03] <Temia> Family I actually care for.
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L1269[21:50:06] <Kimiro> Temia does not do well with pressure. Noted. :3
L1270[21:50:09] <S3> some schools give you full pell grant no matter what you do
L1271[21:50:21] <GreazyMcgeezy> Temia, is he also paying for school?
L1272[21:50:26] <Temia> No.
L1273[21:50:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> Ahh. So you get student loan, and they'll give you free room/board?
L1274[21:50:40] <S3> Temia: that's what stopped me from going to uni in europe
L1275[21:50:49] <Temia> Just giving me somewhere to stay while I get situated, is all.
L1276[21:50:49] <S3> my whole damn family is in Maine so
L1277[21:50:50] <GreazyMcgeezy> How about food?
L1278[21:50:58] <S3> and I can't really leave Maine anyways
L1279[21:50:59] <Temia> Indeterminate.
L1280[21:51:08] <S3> out of all the states I've visited Maine has always been my favorite
L1281[21:51:13] <S3> so I'm kinda stayin
L1282[21:51:21] <Temia> I haven't spoken with him at length on the accomodations, he has just put the offer out there.
L1283[21:51:36] <S3> which sucks because Maine has two huge problems. 1) jobs. 2) it's VERY HARD to get out of new england
L1284[21:51:50] <S3> like, to drive to the other side of new hampshire takes like 6 hours of driving
L1285[21:51:57] <S3> depending where you are in Maine
L1286[21:52:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> S3, they make airplanes?
L1287[21:52:05] <S3> but to get to prince edward island is 6 hours
L1288[21:52:12] <S3> why would you fly..
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L1290[21:52:19] <S3> waste of $$$
L1291[21:52:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> Depends on where you're going.
L1292[21:52:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> Let me see you drive to west coast and back in a day or two, hell even a week, and only pay $600
L1293[21:52:56] <Temia> I'm just going to go to bed. I have no patience for today anymore.
L1294[21:53:05] <S3> they say it's cheaper to fly, but when you have a little miniature car with a manual transmission that gets 50+ mpg it beats flying almost any day besides the time part.
L1295[21:53:16] * Kimiro pats Temia
L1296[21:53:27] <Kimiro> Sleep well mini Minotaur.
L1297[21:53:28] <S3> the car is so tiny I feel high up in a truck XD
L1298[21:53:31] <S3> hahahaha
L1299[21:53:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> It'll be alright Temia. I've been in some pretty low places and I made it.
L1300[21:54:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> Even at 50+ mpg, I don't think you can go cross country and back for under $600
L1301[21:54:27] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: nope
L1302[21:54:31] <S3> not with food and all
L1303[21:54:36] <S3> but it's way more exciting
L1304[21:54:45] <S3> the entertainment factor of driving is way better (to me)
L1305[21:54:49] <S3> unless I'm the pilot
L1306[21:54:54] * Kimiro carjacks S3
L1307[21:54:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah. When I travel though, I don't have the luxury of taking 2 weeks to get there
L1308[21:55:11] <S3> Kimiro: first of all, I wouldn't be surprised, but I never lock my car
L1309[21:55:17] <GreazyMcgeezy> I DO have the luxury of the company paying for it though.
L1310[21:55:30] <S3> why bother?
L1311[21:55:55] <Kimiro> S3: I've always wanted to ransom somebody off.
L1312[21:55:58] <GreazyMcgeezy> Locks just keep the honest man honest.
L1313[21:56:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> If someone wants to get in, they will.
L1314[21:56:13] <S3> people are getting lay
L1315[21:56:31] <S3> havinbg a manual transmission is considered a security feature of my insurance.
L1316[21:56:35] <S3> ...
L1317[21:56:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha.
L1318[21:56:56] * Kimiro sleeves his slimjim and palms his torque wrench and combs.
L1319[21:57:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> I learned on a 4 speed manual transmission pickup truck when I was 14.
L1320[21:57:07] <S3> have you seen some of those dash cams?
L1321[21:57:24] <S3> of people stealing a car only to go what the fuck is this shit when they find the clutch
L1322[21:57:31] <Kimiro> Incidentally, I can drive stick.
L1323[21:57:34] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha
L1324[21:57:34] <S3> and end up making a fool of themselves
L1325[21:57:44] * GreazyMcgeezy heard that about Kimiro
L1326[21:57:51] <S3> heh
L1327[21:58:01] <Kimiro> Mmm. Gay jokes. XD
L1328[21:58:01] <S3> yeah, it's definately not unhead of
L1329[21:58:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha
L1330[21:58:15] <S3> heard*
L1331[21:58:37] * CompanionCube is currently 18
L1332[21:58:39] <S3> now
L1333[21:58:49] <S3> I actually have trouble driving automatics
L1334[21:58:55] * GreazyMcgeezy is literally twice CompanionCube's age...
L1335[21:59:00] <S3> I'm not kidding!
L1336[21:59:08] <S3> what happens is I get into somebody's car that's an automatic
L1337[21:59:12] <S3> and unless I remind myself
L1338[21:59:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I've about put my foot through plenty of floorboards, lol
L1339[21:59:22] <S3> I will hit the brake with my left foot when I get to the intersection
L1340[21:59:31] <S3> which is less sensitive, so itl literally slam the brakes
L1341[21:59:36] <Kimiro> Lel
L1342[21:59:44] <S3> because you know, that's not a clutch
L1343[21:59:44] <S3> lol
L1344[22:00:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> OYG, I've done that before. Sucks pretty bad.
L1345[22:00:06] <S3> it's happened to me like 5 times in the past mont
L1346[22:00:09] <S3> haha
L1347[22:00:14] <GreazyMcgeezy> When not expecting it.
L1348[22:00:20] <S3> yeah
L1349[22:00:23] <Kimiro> My moms old Honda was a manual. One time over the summer I spent a couple days teaching myself how to drive it.
L1350[22:00:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> Did she need to get a new clutch?
L1351[22:00:43] <S3> GreazyMcgeezy: for kicks, do you have any friends who refuse to wear a seatbelt that regularly drive a standard?
L1352[22:00:46] <S3> XD
L1353[22:00:55] <S3> you could call your automatic the "seatbelt pursuader:
L1354[22:00:59] <Kimiro> Came in handy that September when I had to drive her to the hospital... At age 9.
L1355[22:01:01] <GreazyMcgeezy> LOL
L1356[22:01:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> Geez. Yeah, I can see that.
L1357[22:01:37] <S3> I have a fair ammount of friends who refuse to use a seat belt
L1358[22:02:01] <S3> I don't want to sound controlling but some of them I told my fiance she can't ride with anymore
L1359[22:02:03] <CompanionCube> S3: their funeral.
L1360[22:02:06] <Kimiro> 'Cause half way there a cop pulled me over.
L1361[22:02:07] <S3> because they were driving her home drunk once
L1362[22:02:15] <S3> drunk + no seat belts? wtf
L1363[22:02:23] <S3> if drunk wasn't enough
L1364[22:02:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Shit, drunk people w/out seatbelts are usually better off than sober people w/out seatbelts
L1365[22:02:56] <Kimiro> I rode shotgun in the cruiser while the other officer drove my moms car.
L1366[22:03:10] <S3> haha
L1367[22:03:30] <S3> i rode in a police car for the first time the other day in my life
L1368[22:03:38] <S3> I wasn't arrested mind you
L1369[22:03:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> I speak from experience. I had a Corolla that I took into the trees backward at 85mph w/out a seatbelt on.
L1370[22:03:45] <S3> but holy shit the seats are like made of plastic
L1371[22:03:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> I was drunk.
L1372[22:04:00] <S3> what happened is that some asshat drove into my car
L1373[22:04:09] <S3> he was in a left turn only lane and decided he wanted to not turn
L1374[22:04:14] <S3> and bashed into my car and drove off
L1375[22:04:26] <S3> tried to move me out of the way
L1376[22:04:27] <S3> lol
L1377[22:04:37] <GreazyMcgeezy> Body was just mostly limp and I didn't really fight the movements, so very few injuries aside from a piece of glass in the elbow and a bruised hip/
L1378[22:04:37] <S3> which is easy to do when you're driving a small car..
L1379[22:04:55] <S3> oh I was fine
L1380[22:05:11] <S3> I heard it more than I felt it heh
L1381[22:05:32] <S3> then the police officer got really interested and obsessed with my HAM radio
L1382[22:05:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think I have some pics of the Corolla... one sec.
L1383[22:05:50] <Kimiro> Incidentally, know what's a terrifying experience?
L1384[22:05:54] <S3> ?>
L1385[22:06:27] <Kimiro> Getting slammed on a bike by an 18 wheeler.
L1386[22:06:36] <S3> yeah..
L1387[22:06:38] <S3> that's not good
L1388[22:06:51] <S3> Kimiro: you reminded me of this old gif I saw years ago
L1389[22:07:01] <S3> of some guy on a skateboard, lying down on it, letting a school bus run him over
L1390[22:07:07] <S3> and then getting back up on it after it went by
L1391[22:07:17] <Kimiro> Bright side: I was totally fine apart from a skinned knee from bailing.
L1392[22:07:40] <Kimiro> My bike was totally wrecked though.
L1393[22:08:43] <Kimiro> 0/10 would not recommend.
L1394[22:08:43] <S3> I've been considering going for my CDL
L1395[22:09:08] <S3> if I don't quite make it for my bachelors, I might as well get my CDL and do local class A driving
L1396[22:09:17] <Kimiro> Heh.
L1397[22:09:18] <S3> I wouldn't mind driving a 14 wheeler around
L1398[22:09:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12135378/Pictures/Car%20Wreck/5591193-R1-006-1A.jpg
L1399[22:09:27] <S3> long as it wasn't cross country
L1400[22:09:40] <S3> local drivers here in Maine usually go to work at like 4 aqm and get out at 3pm
L1401[22:09:42] <GreazyMcgeezy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12135378/Pictures/Car%20Wreck/5591193-R1-024-10A.jpg
L1402[22:10:00] <superminor2> S3: I almost had that happen a couple months ago. Someone decided not to turn in the left turn only lane, and almost hit me (I got ahead of him just in time though)
L1403[22:10:11] <Kimiro> Man. In retrospect I have shit luck around vehicles.
L1404[22:10:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> Those links are to my Corolla... I loved that car.
L1405[22:10:40] <S3> superminor2: the one thing that pisses me of fthe most about driving
L1406[22:10:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> I guess I could have ran those in tinyurl... sorry about that.
L1407[22:10:58] <S3> is that when it comes to a driver and a pedestrian, it is ALWAYS the pedestrians fault
L1408[22:11:08] <Kimiro> I mean... Knocked 30 feet by a bus, bike wrecked by a big rig, concussion from an APC...
L1409[22:11:55] <Kimiro> It was a museum piece to be fair. The hatch was supposed to be welded open.
L1410[22:11:58] <GreazyMcgeezy> Kimiro, You thought about just not leaving the house?
L1411[22:12:03] <S3> it is really dangerous to drive at my university because we get kids from all cultures al over the place that have different city lifestyles. Now, us drivers in Maine, we'll stop for anyone, even other cars, but whatever, thing is, a lot of kids come from places where they expect you to stop and just start crossing, without making eye contact with you
L1412[22:12:04] <Kimiro> Supposed to be.
L1413[22:12:09] <S3> which is the DUMBEST, most dangerous thing to ever do
L1414[22:12:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> That's odd that Driver's have right of way there.
L1415[22:12:50] <S3> that's a great way for somebody to get hit. as a driver myself and somebody wo chose not to drive for years, it's critical to make eye contact with vehicles before you cross, or cross when you know there iwll be no car there by the time you finish croissing.
L1416[22:13:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> About everwhere else, the pedestrian has the right of way.
L1417[22:13:32] <S3> they do
L1418[22:13:34] <GreazyMcgeezy> and I didn't mean Driver's, I meant drivers
L1419[22:13:41] <S3> but that does not mean that you should just walk out into the street
L1420[22:13:42] <S3> EVER.
L1421[22:13:43] <Kimiro> GreazyMcgeezy: I've thought about it. But, well. Some octogenarian dozed off at the wheel and plowed into my patio door and onto my living room rug sooo...
L1422[22:14:00] <superminor2> It is really dangerous to drive at my college, because half the people really suck at driving. Dont get me started on what it is like in the winter with ice everywhere
L1423[22:14:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Holy shit man. Final Destination?
L1424[22:14:06] <S3> right of way and stopping for pedestrian laws do NOT imply or mean that as a pedestrian you can just walk out into the road.
L1425[22:14:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> Nah, I know that.
L1426[22:14:25] <S3> and that's where the problem is
L1427[22:14:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> I just mean that if a pedestrian is in a cross walk, or the light is giving them the path, then they DO have the right to just walk out. That doesn't mean to not use common sense.
L1428[22:15:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> As in a car being 5 feet away and just running through.
L1429[22:15:26] <S3> there's many people who don't look before crossing, and many people who see you, wait for you to get close regardless of your speed and start crossing, and the thing is that they don't realize is that lots of times drivers will look and not see you, then look in other parts of the intersection to make sure they don't cause an accident with another vehicle, etc, whatever it is they're often looking in more than
L1430[22:15:32] <Kimiro> Common sense is so god damn rare it's a superpower.
L1431[22:15:32] <S3> just your direction
L1432[22:15:43] <S3> lol
L1433[22:16:06] <S3> it's impossible for anybody to know about every obstacle all the time
L1434[22:16:16] <S3> things just appear out of bat shit nowhere on campuses.
L1435[22:16:20] <superminor2> They have the right, to kill themselves by not looking and walking into the road :P
L1436[22:16:31] <S3> well the thing is
L1437[22:16:34] <S3> it's still the drivers fault
L1438[22:16:36] <Kimiro> Oh fuck. I almost forgot about the concussion from the backhoe!
L1439[22:16:49] <superminor2> of course it is the drivers fault
L1440[22:16:55] <superminor2> but if they are did, does that matter to them?
L1441[22:16:58] <superminor2> dead*
L1442[22:17:29] <S3> when I chose not to drive
L1443[22:17:55] <S3> I always made sure I made eye contact or waited until I knew that if I crossed I would be out of that crosswalk well before a car got to it
L1444[22:17:58] <Kimiro> Though that was a freak accident. Thing blew out a hydraulic line just as I walked by. Next thing I know I'm in the hospital with 7 stitches and a concussion.
L1445[22:17:59] <S3> I don't see why that is so hard
L1446[22:18:24] <S3> Kimiro: lol
L1447[22:18:29] <superminor2> S3: it shouldnt be, that is how I always do it
L1448[22:18:33] <Kimiro> Chunk of the line brained me across the temple.
L1449[22:18:45] <superminor2> Kimiro: are you cursed?
L1450[22:19:16] <Kimiro> superminor2: I'm still alive, so it's a curse of inconvenience if anything.
L1451[22:19:20] <S3> superminor2: when I had my permit or so i almost hit somebody because they were looking down at their cellphone on the side of the road and decided to just walk in front of us randomly, WHILE LOOKING AT THEIR CELL PHONE
L1452[22:19:25] <S3> glad I didn't
L1453[22:19:33] <superminor2> no kidding
L1454[22:19:51] <S3> ...
L1455[22:19:59] <S3> Oh shit so I have a cell phone story
L1456[22:20:05] <S3> I need a dash camera
L1457[22:20:12] <S3> I was going on the highway the other day
L1458[22:20:17] <superminor2> I want a dashcam too
L1459[22:20:28] <Kimiro> Same thing basically happened with one of the tie down straps from a passing truck.
L1460[22:20:34] <S3> and some asshole woman was driving this car, really slow I think she was from massechussettes or some hellish location
L1461[22:20:40] <Kimiro> Lel
L1462[22:20:41] <S3> on the onramp
L1463[22:20:49] <GreazyMcgeezy> Odd. So my computer and the remote terminal to a server are both having the screen issue now.
L1464[22:21:00] <S3> when she did speed up, she stayed in the onramp land and proceded onto the breakdown lane
L1465[22:21:03] <S3> going 60
L1466[22:21:12] <S3> in a few seconds, she was driving in the dirt ditch going 60
L1467[22:21:18] <Kimiro> :v
L1468[22:21:28] <S3> I passed her car and she was on the cell phone looking EVERYWHERE BUT THE ROAD
L1469[22:21:33] <S3> yacking her mouth off
L1470[22:21:46] <superminor2> how can you not notice that fact that you are driving on dirt doing 60
L1471[22:22:03] <Kimiro> Profound stupidity?
L1472[22:22:10] <S3> she made me very nervous because 3 minutes later she passed me going like 80, but she was at least on the road.
L1473[22:22:27] <Kimiro> She should probably stay off the road.
L1474[22:22:28] <S3> speed limit is only 70 there but meh that wasn't the part I was nervous about
L1475[22:22:30] <Kimiro> :v
L1476[22:22:31] <S3> LOL
L1477[22:22:57] <S3> I've done some stupid shit too
L1478[22:22:58] <S3> but
L1479[22:23:04] <Kimiro> Also, totally unrelated: One of my friends may have breast cancer. :C
L1480[22:23:09] <S3> at least I was paying attention when I did them
L1481[22:23:40] <S3> I drover over a barrier and sidewalk once about 6 feet wide because I was overtired and it was dark and I didn't see that it was a divided road
L1482[22:23:43] <S3> lol
L1483[22:23:49] <S3> but hey I didn't get caugt for that and I was at least aware XD
L1484[22:24:17] <S3> it was better than throwing it in reverse and riding the clutch into the middle of the intrsection to beat the lights of other traffic
L1485[22:25:01] <S3> to be honest the street lamp wasn't working there either that night iirc
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L1487[22:25:55] <S3> that's people the most ridiculous thing I've ever done driving
L1488[22:26:28] <Kimiro> Oh god, the carnival truck. D:
L1489[22:26:37] <S3> technically if I was caugt they would have let me go without a ticket anyways
L1490[22:26:42] <S3> kmwat
L1491[22:26:46] <S3> Kimiro: wat*
L1492[22:26:49] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: you should just give up
L1493[22:27:04] <S3> Kimiro: you reminded me I was in a 4 wheeler accident once
L1494[22:27:16] <S3> I got thrown headfirst into a tree without a helmet at 35 - 40 mph
L1495[22:27:22] <S3> at least thats what the gps said
L1496[22:27:31] <S3> I didn't get a concussion somehow
L1497[22:27:39] <S3> but holy shit I almost lost my leg
L1498[22:28:17] <Kimiro> I was walking home after school when I was like... 12. The local fairgrounds had I guess just finished packing up and the trucks were leaving the grounds (we lived across from the fairgrounds).
L1499[22:28:32] <S3> and peopl laugh at me when I tell them to buy a helmet because helmets aren't required on motorcycles in Maine
L1500[22:29:51] <S3> CompanionCube: I saw some asswipe driving on a motorcycle doing 80 with no helmet and his hands behind him in his back pockets a while ago
L1501[22:30:05] <Kimiro> No idea if they forgot to strap it down or something but suddenly my legs are pinned under one of those teacup ride cups.
L1502[22:30:08] <S3> CompanionCube: if you've ever seen Maine roads you'll understand why that's a bad idea
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L1504[22:30:36] <S3> Kimiro: OW
L1505[22:30:54] <Kimiro> I wasn't hurt 'cause the ground was muddy but fuck was I laughing.
L1506[22:31:05] <Kimiro> Because I hated that ride.
L1507[22:31:11] <CompanionCube> S3: I've never left the UK.
L1508[22:31:12] <S3> mud and clay can save your appendages
L1509[22:31:14] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hah, you said "but fuck"
L1510[22:31:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yes, I know it's missing a "t" but stil phonetically it sounds the same.
L1511[22:31:36] <GreazyMcgeezy> still*
L1512[22:31:38] <S3> I once slipped on mud and clay mowing somebody's lawn next to the ocean
L1513[22:31:47] <S3> and my arm went flying under the lawn mower while it was running
L1514[22:31:58] <S3> fortunately there was an eroded culvert the size of my arm x3 or so
L1515[22:32:07] <S3> that protected it from getting cut up
L1516[22:32:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> You had an angel kissing your ass that day.
L1517[22:32:28] <S3> I put that lawn mower away unfinished and then my step father got mad at me for not finishing the lawn
L1518[22:32:37] <S3> and I just kinda ignored him lolol
L1519[22:32:50] <S3> he probably wonders why to this day
L1520[22:33:22] <Kimiro> I've had pretty good luck with mowers.
L1521[22:33:45] <Kimiro> Except that time one drive a rock into my shin.
L1522[22:34:02] <superminor2> ow
L1523[22:35:32] <S3> after hearing all your stories, and thinkig of my own
L1524[22:35:41] <S3> it's easy to understand why some people say they don't want kids
L1525[22:35:42] <S3> lol
L1526[22:35:50] <S3> who as a parent wants to deal with shit like that?!
L1527[22:35:58] <Kimiro> Heh.
L1528[22:36:05] <S3> and when they run off too
L1529[22:36:17] <S3> you know I was stranded a couple times 30 miles from town
L1530[22:36:22] <S3> who knows how the fuck my father foun dme
L1531[22:36:35] <Kimiro> I'm going to have kids someday
L1532[22:36:42] <S3> I dunno if I could deal with that lol
L1533[22:36:47] <S3> whys that
L1534[22:36:51] <S3> kids are evil
L1535[22:36:57] <Kimiro> Exactly.
L1536[22:37:04] <S3> just look at how we turned out
L1537[22:37:09] <Kimiro> I want to raise my own little sociopath.
L1538[22:37:14] <S3> lol
L1539[22:37:51] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: the world already has plenty of sociopaths
L1540[22:37:59] <CompanionCube> We don't need more.
L1541[22:38:08] <Kimiro> CompanionCube: Not enough of my caliber.
L1542[22:38:35] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: you don't sound like a sociopath
L1543[22:39:00] <Kimiro> Thank you. :3
L1544[22:39:33] <Kimiro> Also. I prefer Coke to Pepsi.
L1545[22:39:38] <Kimiro> Because...
L1546[22:40:05] <Kimiro> I've never had a Coke truck dump a pallet of 2l bottles on me.
L1547[22:44:16] <superminor2> Not yet at least :D
L1548[22:44:20] <Kimiro> Though that did get me a tour of the bottling plant, an apology letter and a birthday party sponsored by Pepsi.
L1549[22:44:58] <GreazyMcgeezy> I toured their bottling plant in Wytheville, VA. Was doing some HVAC work out there about 15 years ago.
L1550[22:45:22] <Kimiro> So I ain't mad at Pepsi. Just hard to enjoy something that once flew 30 km/h at your face.
L1551[22:45:41] * GreazyMcgeezy is going to leave that one alone.
L1552[22:46:33] <Kimiro> Well you say that, but I haven't told you about the gummy dick cannon.
L1553[22:47:11] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hahaha. See, I was going to leave it laying.
L1554[22:47:46] <GreazyMcgeezy> And dude, I hear "gummy dick cannon" and I'd walk the other way.
L1555[22:48:02] <Kimiro> It was a bachelor party for one of my gay friends.
L1556[22:48:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> It sounds humorous, but I think it'd escalate quickly.
L1557[22:48:29] <Kimiro> Do you know those air-powered T-shirt cannons?
L1558[22:48:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> Actually, I did see a video of some guys bouncing gummy dick candies off of girls in bikini bottoms while twerking. Well, shaking lightly, not quite twerking.
L1559[22:49:12] <GreazyMcgeezy> You mean like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers use on their pirate ship?
L1560[22:49:29] <Kimiro> T-shirt cannon + edible cake glitter + two 1/2 pound bags of gunny dicks.
L1561[22:49:50] <Kimiro> *gummy
L1562[22:49:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think I'd be okay on the firing end of that.
L1563[22:50:14] <Kimiro> The idea was to shower Garret when he walked in.
L1564[22:50:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> But if there's anything that I don't want flying at my face, it's a dick, gummy or otherwise.
L1565[22:51:29] <Kimiro> Instead a few too many B-52's and I ended up getting the thing fired at my ass.
L1566[22:53:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah...that's exactly why I wouldn't have been anywhere near that thing, lol.
L1567[22:54:30] <Kimiro> And boy did that smart. Like being spanked by Andre the Giant.
L1568[22:55:57] <Kimiro> We refilled the cannon with Bailey's whipping cream after that.
L1569[22:57:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> That could be fun in the right company
L1570[22:57:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> Like, hot naked chicks
L1571[22:58:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol
L1572[22:58:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> And... no, I think that's it.
L1573[22:58:31] <Kimiro> Garrett's sister was the only chick there. Heh.
L1574[22:58:35] <GreazyMcgeezy> :/
L1575[22:58:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> Is she hot?
L1576[22:58:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> And was she naked?
L1577[22:59:11] <Kimiro> She wasn't naked, but I'd call her a 7.5/10
L1578[22:59:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, and like you say, a few B52's would take that up to a 9 pretty quickly
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L1580[23:00:20] <Kimiro> Liz and I actually dated for a couple months.
L1581[23:00:34] <S3> what do you mean, too many b52s?
L1582[23:00:37] <S3> http://cdn.lightgalleries.net/4bd5ebf97479c/images/LS5388_35-2.jpg
L1583[23:01:04] <Katie> http://staging.theb52s.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ct2.jpg
L1584[23:01:08] <Katie> No no, those b52s
L1585[23:01:12] <S3> iirc the b52 is the longest running military series aircraft ever built
L1586[23:01:20] <Kimiro> B-52 with a Mexican Tailgunner.
L1587[23:01:21] <S3> in use
L1588[23:01:55] <S3> ol
L1589[23:02:25] <Kimiro> Liz was nice, but in the end we just didn't work out because she, uhm. Had an addiction.
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L1591[23:03:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> Okay, now I'm curious
L1592[23:03:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> nympho?
L1593[23:03:20] <Kimiro> Yeah.
L1594[23:03:31] <Kimiro> Not as great as you might think.
L1595[23:03:38] <GreazyMcgeezy> I could see pros/cons
L1596[23:03:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> Did you have to worry about her and others? Or was it just you?
L1597[23:04:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> Usually nymphos aren't very trustworthy
L1598[23:04:50] <Kimiro> She was loyal to a fault, honestly.
L1599[23:05:19] <Kimiro> Which was problematic because that meant for two months I was her only release.
L1600[23:05:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> Sounds like we have different definition of "problematic"
L1601[23:05:38] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol
L1602[23:05:59] <Kimiro> Yeah, uhm.
L1603[23:06:59] <Kimiro> Twice before bed, then she'd wake me up around midnight, then 3 to 4 times before my alarm went off. Then sexts all day.
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L1605[23:07:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> Alright. Yeah, that would get old.
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L1607[23:08:11] <Kimiro> That said. Up until the point where I started burning out, the sex was great.
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L1609[23:11:35] <Kimiro> She did eventually get help thankfully.
L1610[23:12:27] <Kimiro> Though she stopped talking to me a few years back because she's reminded too much of how good it was.
L1611[23:13:00] <Kimiro> I'm assuming she didn't mean the sex but the fact I put up with her.
L1612[23:17:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha
L1613[23:17:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, if the problem is resolved, what's the problem now?
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L1617[23:22:07] <PapaToast> hello
L1618[23:22:36] <Kimiro> Honestly distance. Plus I have someone already.
L1619[23:22:36] <PapaToast> I'm just testing out this mod, never really paid it much attention but it's really cool haha
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L1622[23:25:51] <Chinn> Hey, was just wondering if OC has any compatability with the refined storage mod?
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