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L2[00:16:00] <Antheus> Thinking about getting CIV VI
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L8[00:37:52] <Saphire> Uh
L9[00:37:54] <Saphire> Uuuuuuuuuh
L10[00:38:05] <Saphire> I can't login into my mojang/MC account
L11[00:38:07] <Saphire> wut
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L13[00:51:02] <_habnabit> wait huh are mounts all done through openos? like, mounting a thing at a directory is managed by openos, not the machine or network?
L14[00:56:22] <Antheus> Saphire, have you tried entering you password into a sketchy russian site recently?
L15[01:01:51] <Saphire> Antheus: wat
L16[01:02:02] <Saphire> no?
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L20[01:05:59] <Saphire> I am resetting the pass but nope, can't log in
L21[01:06:27] <Saphire> "
L22[01:06:29] <Saphire> Error! Unknown e-mail address or password.
L23[01:07:03] <Mimiru> Saphire, I get the same thing from my OVH box..
L24[01:07:09] <Saphire> Oh
L25[01:07:11] <Saphire> OH
L26[01:07:13] <Saphire> OOOOOOOH
L27[01:07:17] <Antheus> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
L28[01:07:18] <Antheus> what
L29[01:07:20] <Saphire> ...fucking VPN blacklists
L30[01:07:20] <Mimiru> I can reset the password with no issue.. but via OVH's IP nop
L31[01:07:28] <Saphire> Mimiru: thanks :D
L32[01:07:41] <Antheus> fucking uplay
L33[01:07:59] <Saphire> Why OVH is blocked sometimes? :c
L34[01:08:07] <Antheus> Download game, Download Update From Uplay, Download Uplay Update, Download Game Update
L35[01:08:15] <Mimiru> They've been blocked for me for atleast 2 weeks
L36[01:12:22] <Antheus> Aparently I own Far Cry 4
L37[01:12:42] <Antheus> I think I got it with my graphics card, not sure
L38[01:16:05] <Saphire> Huh
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L42[01:52:33] <Temia> Hey Mimiru, someone's looking into using a Discord-IRC bridge. IIRC, you made a fork of the original code a while ago, right? Can I get the link from you again?
L43[02:09:33] <Lizzy> Temia, https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/Yuri this one i think
L44[02:10:40] <Temia> Thanks
L45[02:10:56] <Temia> Ah, thanks Lizzy o/
L46[02:11:19] <Lizzy> o/
L47[02:11:33] * Lizzy is not sure why she's up this early on a weekend
L48[02:12:05] <Temia> Meanwhile I don't know why I'm up this late. o-o
L49[02:12:18] <Temia> ...Well, I partly know why.
L50[02:12:49] <Temia> I may have ended up in a trap of trying to figure out when Ra Ciela exploded in relation to Toril's history. ... don't ask.
L51[02:17:23] <Lizzy> there we go, got factorio to not have window decoration so i can get a little extra bit of screen size
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L66[03:41:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hello. This is the Opencomputers IRC channel yes?
L67[03:41:53] <Vexatos> Yes
L68[03:43:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> Awesome. I have a quick question about drones. I assembled one without an eeprom thinking I could just craft one into it at a later time. I placed it on the ground for later use, but now I can't pick it back up or destroy it.
L69[03:44:01] <GreazyMcgeezy> Would you happen to know about this? I searched all over the forums, but didn't see this topic
L70[03:46:47] <Vexatos> Yes
L71[03:46:47] <Vexatos> So
L72[03:47:13] <Vexatos> to change the EEPROM in a drone or MCU, just craft them with it. BUT! If the MCU or drone is already placed down, you can just right click the device with the new EEPROM
L73[03:47:14] <Vexatos> to switch
L74[03:47:20] <Kane_Hart> I want to say this is a channel to advertise OC but that might get me slapped inside out :P
L75[03:47:22] <Vexatos> To pick up a drone, right click it with a Scrench
L76[03:47:43] <Vexatos> But yea, for your case, you don't even need to pick it up
L77[03:47:49] <Vexatos> Just right click with the new EEPROM
L78[03:47:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh, let me try that!
L79[03:48:16] <Kane_Hart> Is there any mods / addons for OC for 1.10 I should look into. I added a couple. Not sure if there is a list of curse/none curse ones.
L80[03:48:19] <Vexatos> It should say so in the in-game Manual, by the way
L81[03:48:31] <Vexatos> Kane_Hart, I'll quickly make one
L82[03:48:47] <Vexatos> GreazyMcgeezy, you should really check out the manual in OC
L83[03:48:47] <Vexatos> it's done quite well
L84[03:49:07] <Kane_Hart> Thanks. Yeah the manual is sweet in fact most of OC is sweet lol
L85[03:49:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> I have been reading it, the wiki and the forums, but I must have missed that part in the manual
L86[03:49:54] <Vexatos> Kane_Hart, http://hastebin.com/uhenarebij.nginx
L87[03:50:08] <Kane_Hart> lmao
L88[03:50:16] <Kane_Hart> I assume computronics is outside of curse
L89[03:50:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hmm... right-clicking with the eeprom doesn't seem to be working. Let me try the scrench.
L90[03:50:27] <Kane_Hart> Chisels & Bytes haha
L91[03:50:33] <Vexatos> GreazyMcgeezy, might need to shift click
L92[03:50:39] <Vexatos> It's been a while
L93[03:50:49] <Vexatos> I do know that it works
L94[03:50:49] <GreazyMcgeezy> That seemed to do the trick :)
L95[03:50:51] <Vexatos> somehow
L96[03:50:53] <Vexatos> Yea
L97[03:50:57] <Vexatos> Scrench also shift click IIRC
L98[03:51:01] <Vexatos> to pick up the drone
L99[03:51:20] <Vexatos> Kane_Hart, Chisels & Bytes is quite a decent addon
L100[03:51:52] <Kane_Hart> eww no thanks http://wiki.vex.tty.sh/doku.php
L101[03:52:00] <Kane_Hart> This site looks like it was setup by you :P
L102[03:52:09] <Vexatos> It wasn't
L103[03:52:12] <Vexatos> It was set up by asie
L104[03:52:16] <Vexatos> and then moved to another server
L105[03:52:19] <Kane_Hart> So is asie upkeeping it or you? or
L106[03:52:23] <Vexatos> I am
L107[03:52:28] <Vexatos> But most of it is archive
L108[03:52:38] <Vexatos> but 1.10 builds aren't there yet
L109[03:52:39] <Kane_Hart> and perms page?
L110[03:52:47] <Vexatos> because OC for 1.10 hasn't had a real "release" yet
L111[03:52:47] <Kane_Hart> I see it
L112[03:52:50] <Kane_Hart> ahh
L113[03:53:05] <Kane_Hart> I have to make sure I add the perms to curse that is all
L114[03:53:10] <Vexatos> http://wiki.vex.tty.sh/wiki:licensing is up-to-date, yes
L115[03:53:14] <Kane_Hart> ty
L116[03:53:19] <Vexatos> Kane_Hart, http://files.vex.tty.sh/
L117[03:53:24] <Kane_Hart> ty
L118[03:53:26] <Vexatos> check /Computronics/dev
L119[03:53:30] <Vexatos> for 1.10 dev builds
L120[03:54:01] <Vexatos> http://files.vex.tty.sh/Computronics/dev/Computronics-1.10.2-1.6.1-cable-performance.jar is the current one right now
L121[03:54:14] <Kane_Hart> hmm
L122[03:54:25] <Kane_Hart> why jul when the others have sep?
L123[03:54:27] <GreazyMcgeezy> Okay. I'm just really starting into this mod, but so far it seems to be pretty awesome. One other thing I ran into that I haven't been able to figure out yet is, that the "robot" is able to climb, but when mine gets to a wall it just keeps ramming into it. Any hints?
L124[03:54:49] <Vexatos> No Railcraft integration in yet because RC isn't done yet
L125[03:54:55] <Vexatos> even despite it having been "released"
L126[03:54:58] <Kane_Hart> ahh kk
L127[03:55:13] <Kane_Hart> I use RC but needs more polishing :P
L128[03:55:25] <Vexatos> I mean
L129[03:55:27] <Vexatos> If you want
L130[03:55:35] <Vexatos> I can give you a working and non-crashy build with RC stuff in it
L131[03:56:05] <Kane_Hart> tbh my servers not up yet I might as well just wait for now lol
L132[03:56:12] <Kane_Hart> I'm in no rush no one will touch OC for a while
L133[03:56:30] <Vexatos> It's a matter of minutes to compile a new build
L134[03:56:36] <Vexatos> So just wait a sec
L135[03:56:39] <Kane_Hart> ok :)
L136[03:59:34] <Kodos> Vexatos, working on anything fun for 'Tronics?
L137[04:00:22] <Vexatos> Kodos, Still haven't been able to fix the sound card bug
L138[04:00:33] <Vexatos> apart from that, only waiting for CovertJaguar to finish signal boxes on 1.10
L139[04:00:46] <Kodos> Anything new? Or are you just upkeeping at this point
L140[04:01:16] <Vexatos> Pretty much
L141[04:01:20] <Vexatos> Haven't gotten any new ideas
L142[04:01:29] <Vexatos> And Sangar is still too busy
L143[04:01:37] <Kodos> Rack mounted cipher blocks =D
L144[04:01:49] <Kodos> Or the signal shit
L145[04:01:57] <Kodos> That seems like it would be handy to have rack mounted
L146[04:02:05] <Kodos> Loco relay at least
L147[04:02:29] <Vexatos> "Rack-Mounted *" ~ Kodos
L148[04:02:37] <Kodos> Pretty much
L149[04:02:46] <Vexatos> RACK MOUNTED RACKS
L150[04:02:49] <Vexatos> RACK MOUNTED RACK MOUNTS
L151[04:02:53] <Kodos> What about
L152[04:02:58] <Kodos> extendable server racks
L153[04:03:07] <Kodos> Connected, w/e
L154[04:03:16] <Kodos> So I could do more than just a two tall rack
L155[04:03:59] <Kodos> Rack Mounted tape deck, too
L156[04:04:03] <Kodos> Because backup data
L157[04:04:33] <Lizzy> Kodos, the connected racks thing was suggested for OC itself, IIRC it's a bit annoying to get working
L158[04:04:43] <Kodos> Indeed
L159[04:05:03] <Kodos> Tbh, until there's more rack-mounted things, the interface trick works for now
L160[04:05:18] <Kodos> Well, 'trick'
L161[04:05:37] <Lizzy> ffs, i keep picking up track along with cargo wagons / locomotives
L162[04:05:45] <Kodos> Whatcha playin
L163[04:06:05] <Kane_Hart> is the track spoooky?
L164[04:06:35] <Lizzy> Factorio
L165[04:06:40] <Kane_Hart> <3
L166[04:06:43] <Lizzy> currently just screwing about in creative
L167[04:06:44] <Kane_Hart> factorio one my fav games
L168[04:06:50] <Kane_Hart> 1000's of hours wasted playing with trains
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L170[04:07:33] <Kodos> I was gifted it recently. Played vanilla for a bit, was definitely fun, so now I have mods. Only like 7 but still
L171[04:08:50] <Lizzy> once I've got my new dedi set up to the point where i can easilly add vm/vpses and shit, i might start a facctorio server on there
L172[04:09:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I played that one vanilla only in I guess "career"(?) mode. It's a fun game, but I think I'm developing ADHD the older I get
L173[04:10:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> I get into things/games for a few weeks at a time, then start cycling hobbies again.
L174[04:11:14] <Kodos> I'm still waiting for Interstellar Rift to fix its shit before getting back into it again, but most of the latest updates look fun as shit
L175[04:11:20] <Kane_Hart> factorio works great on linux/ded
L176[04:11:23] <Kane_Hart> and even better now
L177[04:11:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think this is my 3rd or 4th cycle through Minecraft, but first time with mods.
L178[04:12:03] <Kodos> That reminds me, does IC2-Exp for 1.7.10 support Minetweaker/CraftTweaker
L179[04:14:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> Interstellar Rift looks interesting, I don't think I've seen it before. Is it just me or does it seem like once Starship Citizen made a gazillion bucks on their kickstarter program, there have been a SHITLOAD of space theme games being released?
L180[04:14:47] <Kodos> IR's been around for a few years I think
L181[04:15:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> Steam release date says June 2015, but unsure if that's just the Steam date or the game date.
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L183[04:16:49] <Kodos> That might be the date they released to the public
L184[04:16:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> SC announced their crowdfunding campaign in 2012.
L185[04:17:02] <Kane_Hart> I got my press key for rift 6/15/15
L186[04:17:12] <Kodos> "Press Key"
L187[04:17:21] <Kodos> So basically 'give me the game for free and I'll review it?"
L188[04:17:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> That's the ticket.
L189[04:17:46] <Kane_Hart> No they email me buttloads of keys and I can't keep up
L190[04:17:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> Steam does?
L191[04:18:01] <Kane_Hart> No Press Companies
L192[04:18:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> Ah, gotcha.
L193[04:19:26] <Kodos> I've always been under the impression that game devs distribute press keys
L194[04:19:31] <Kodos> To the press
L195[04:19:40] <Kodos> Unless you get them via third party once they've been distroed
L196[04:19:49] <Kodos> Which seems counter productive for the press company
L197[04:19:54] <Kodos> Since they're supposed to be using said keys
L198[04:20:11] <Kodos> But then again, it's 3 am and I'm half asleep so I might be talking out of my ass
L199[04:20:17] <Kodos> 4 AM apparently
L200[04:20:18] <Kodos> my bad
L201[04:20:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> Unless he does freelance or independent contracting?
L202[04:20:27] <Kodos> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L203[04:20:31] <Kane_Hart> there is like several ways keys are handed out and devs sometimes do multiple methods some use no methods etc lol
L204[04:20:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, 5:20 here... I don't know why I'm still on really.
L205[04:20:55] <Kane_Hart> http://steamcommunity.com/id/kanehart/
L206[04:21:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think it's because the wife is running errands early in the morning with the intent to let me sleep in, lol
L207[04:21:21] <Kodos> Lol you're friends with Chip Patton
L208[04:21:41] <Kane_Hart> who or what is that lol
L209[04:23:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> Damn, I thought I had quite a few games.
L210[04:23:09] <Kodos> I know/knew him as Mike/Lee Wells
L211[04:23:29] <Kodos> Basically he's a racist bigot
L212[04:23:33] <Kane_Hart> lots of people added me years ago I use to run Terraria Online
L213[04:24:10] <Kane_Hart> I thought all USA was racist?
L214[04:24:14] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haven't you heard Kodos? Everyone is a racist bigot these days.
L215[04:24:18] <Kane_Hart> I mean no one has shot trump yet lol
L216[04:24:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or Killary
L217[04:24:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> They're both jokes to our intelligence
L218[04:24:56] <Kane_Hart> pretty much lol
L219[04:25:17] <Kane_Hart> and bernie is an idiot lol should of went indie instantly lol
L220[04:25:27] <Kane_Hart> he might of not won but he would of had a big impact
L221[04:26:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah. I agree with that. The only one I'll vote for now that's in all 50 is Gary Johnson. He might not have known what Aleppo was on the spot, but he had a solid plan once the question was clarified.
L222[04:26:36] <GreazyMcgeezy> Also, I side with him on about 93% of major and minor issues.
L223[04:27:16] <Vexatos> The US right now: "Okay, who of the candidates is the least stupid"
L224[04:27:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, that's us every election.
L225[04:27:32] <Kane_Hart> we get idiots in Canada too but we always have someone okayish but you guys ugh I feel bad
L226[04:27:33] <Kane_Hart> lol
L227[04:27:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> But this one... facepalm...
L228[04:27:44] <Kane_Hart> We got Playboy PM ;)
L229[04:28:04] <Vexatos> German government at least works... for the most part
L230[04:28:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> Johnson was CEO of Cannabis Inc, lol
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L232[04:28:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Stepped down to run presidency
L233[04:28:35] <GreazyMcgeezy> for*
L234[04:29:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> Nobody hears about those guys though since they're not one of the "two party" extremists.
L235[04:30:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> What part of Canada Kane_Hart?
L236[04:30:38] <Kodos> I wish someone would do banking software for OC already
L237[04:31:40] <Vexatos> Kodos, I know someone who could do it
L238[04:33:39] <Kodos> Oh?
L239[04:34:23] <Vexatos> Yea
L240[04:34:28] <Vexatos> Starts with K and ends with odos
L241[04:34:34] <Kane_Hart> GreazyMcgeezy Quebec
L242[04:34:47] <Lizzy> lol
L243[04:34:58] <Vexatos> eww frenchland
L244[04:35:01] <Kodos> Vexatos, I'm capable of lots of stuff
L245[04:35:15] <Kodos> So are you
L246[04:35:18] <Kodos> So are lots of folks
L247[04:35:19] <Izaya> The issue is actually doing it?
L248[04:35:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think I'm actually going to be in that part of the world in July.
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L250[04:36:08] <Kodos> I'll start working on banking software when Rack Mounted Raids are working in 1.7.10
L251[04:36:26] <GreazyMcgeezy> Have a buddy that lives in Val d'or that I think we're going to go visit. Plan on checking out Aiguibelle Nat'l Park while we're up that way. Been there?
L252[04:36:28] <Kodos> Because frankly those would be needed, for housing transaction logs and whatnot
L253[04:39:24] <Saphire> Uh
L254[04:39:27] <Saphire> Question
L255[04:39:34] <Saphire> what the hell NPM is even doing? o..o
L256[04:41:08] <Kodos> https://youtu.be/EV9lPUqcis8?t=36m6s
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L258[04:45:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha
L259[04:46:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> Terraforming at its greatest
L260[04:52:56] <Kane_Hart> Vexatos what happen to that build :P?
L261[04:55:51] <Vexatos> Kane_Hart, working on it
L262[04:56:03] <Vexatos> Railcraft's latest update did some... things
L263[04:57:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Curious, the "robot.up()" function isn't the climbing feature is it? According to the drawing on the ocdoc.cil.li/api:robot it looks like when it climbs, the orientation of the robot changes also.
L264[04:57:46] <Kane_Hart> lol :) that is cool
L265[04:57:56] <Kane_Hart> I'm going to bed I will grab it another time :)
L266[04:58:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> Nice talking to you Kane. Have a great one.
L267[04:58:52] <Kane_Hart> you too!
L268[05:05:13] <Kodos> Holy tits it's cold in my house
L269[05:05:54] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, we hit a cold front today also.
L270[05:06:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or, "were hit by" I guess I should say
L271[05:06:52] <Kodos> I have my heat on and set to 68, thermostat says it's 71 in here. Can't turn the heat up because my wife's already crying about it being too hot
L272[05:07:15] <Kodos> Which means I'm gonna finish this drink and go curl up under the covers. Fucking wish I had an electric blanket
L273[05:07:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh hell. 71 is PERFECT.
L274[05:08:16] <Kodos> I didn't say it was 71 in my house, just that the thermostat is reporting it. It's about 2-3 feet from my TV, so I imagine it's reading the heat from that
L275[05:08:17] <GreazyMcgeezy> Unless you're on blood thinners or something. I hear you stay freezing on those damn things
L276[05:08:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, probably.
L277[05:09:35] <GreazyMcgeezy> I guess bed isn't sounding too bad about now. I think I only averaged about 4 - 5 hours of sleep per night this past week.
L278[05:10:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> Catching up to me. I remember when I used to go 2 or 3 nights in a row gaming and no sleep.
L279[05:11:14] <Kodos> I just got old, can't do that shit anymore
L280[05:11:21] <Kodos> Hell I can't even drink Dew anymore
L281[05:11:26] <Kodos> Makes my heart nearly pound out of my chest
L282[05:11:55] <Kodos> Used to be I could pound down a 2 liter in a day
L283[05:11:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah. I'm getting there also. Coffee has been doing that to me lately.
L284[05:12:10] <Kodos> Coffee doesn't bother me so much. I think it's the caffeine in the dew
L285[05:12:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> I do mostly dark roast with espresso drinks. And a couple of them in a short period.
L286[05:13:01] <GreazyMcgeezy> So they really get me there quickly, but then I'm all jittery and heart palpatating, lol
L287[05:13:34] <GreazyMcgeezy> Dew screws my stomach up
L288[05:13:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think I have negative reactions to Yellow 5
L289[05:14:07] <Kodos> As my wife so kindly pointed out, I do drink Baja Blast, but the regular one makes me think I'm having a heart attack
L290[05:14:24] <GreazyMcgeezy> Odd
L291[05:14:25] <Kodos> I only have the Baja when we're at Taco Bell though
L292[05:14:32] <Kodos> So it's not a regular consumption
L293[05:14:35] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right.
L294[05:14:54] <Kodos> In any case, she's ready to go back to bed, and if I go with her now, I have a good shot at being able to put my cold hands on her back
L295[05:15:06] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hahaha. Perfect, you have a great night, I'm out also.
L296[05:15:11] <Kodos> Indeed.
L297[05:15:13] <Kodos> o7
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L299[05:15:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> o7
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L301[05:17:45] <Vexatos> Kane_Hart, almost done~
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L305[05:40:03] <Inari> That moment when you smell an orange and can only think about its taste exploding into your mouth :neutral_face:
L306[05:40:10] <Inari> Oh rigth this isn't discord
L307[05:40:12] <Inari> * :|
L308[05:42:46] <Lizzy> lol
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L310[05:46:10] <Vexatos> Kane_Hart, done
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L314[05:56:31] <Inari> Vexatos: with? :o
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L317[06:16:08] <Kane_Hart> ugh woot nice Vexatos
L318[06:17:06] <Kane_Hart> I need sleep
L319[06:17:09] <Kane_Hart> I was about to sleep
L320[06:17:14] <Kane_Hart> and a raid happen next to me
L321[06:17:15] <Kane_Hart> lol
L322[06:17:32] <Kane_Hart> police kicked down a door and went hunting for someone in a house lol
L323[06:19:56] <Inari> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=749773938
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L325[06:43:45] <Inari> Lets smile desperately
L326[06:52:21] * Inari rubs Temia's tail with soapstone
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L328[07:32:02] <Sangar> o/
L329[07:32:11] <Vexatos> Sangar o\
L330[07:32:18] <Vexatos> You're way too busy D:
L331[07:32:44] <Sangar> i'm sorry. it's not my fault civ 6 came out.
L332[07:34:06] <LizzyTheKitty> lol
L333[07:34:10] <XDjackieXD> xD
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L336[07:47:14] * Inari throws condoms into the channel
L337[07:47:15] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/ZpEnmnR.jpg
L338[07:48:15] <XDjackieXD> :P
L339[07:49:11] <Sangar> Inari, re exanima, been a while since i last touched it (tho it was after the name change). idk. the controls still felt super-clunky. sure, if you master them you might do better, but the silly ragdoll flailing just feels out of place in the gritty setting.
L340[07:54:03] <Inari> Sangar: Hmm yeah, I'm a bit torn on it haha. Maybe i'll just wait fro their other full game
L341[07:54:25] <Inari> Esepcially as people have said even once you manage to use the controls nicely tehre isn't really much to do
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L344[08:27:22] <Sangar> what's their other game?
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L346[08:32:00] <Inari> Sangar: Sul Generis
L347[08:32:39] <Inari> Sangar: Apparently they'll both be standalone games, but Sul Generis will use the combat that they refine in Ex Anima
L348[08:32:51] <Inari> And Sul Generis will be a openworld RPG while Ex Anima a dungeon crawler
L349[08:37:45] <Inari> Meanwhile..
L350[08:37:46] <Inari> [15:01:43] <Soni> my desk has 2 support rails and I hooked one of them up to 12V and the other one to 0V
L351[08:37:47] <Inari> <Soni> the 0V one is referenced to earth ground
L352[08:37:47] <Inari> <Soni> is this safe?
L353[08:50:37] <XDjackieXD> such intelligence. so wow.
L354[08:51:07] <vifino> s/so/much/
L355[08:51:07] <MichiBot> <XDjackieXD> such intelligence. much wow.
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L361[09:15:28] <Sangar> huh
L362[09:18:47] <gamax92> s/huh/hello gamax92/
L363[09:18:47] <MichiBot> <Sangar> hello gamax92
L364[09:18:49] <gamax92> hey Sangar
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L366[09:20:08] <vifino> s/Sangar/vifino/
L367[09:20:08] <MichiBot> <gamax92> hey vifino
L368[09:20:11] <vifino> Hello gamax92!
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L370[09:33:19] <Sangar> hoi
L371[09:35:01] <Forecaster> wem
L372[09:35:30] <Forecaster> vifino: quit with the mind control there D:<
L373[09:35:30] <Lizzy> ovh gimmie my ips pls
L374[09:35:49] <Forecaster> Lizzy: no D:
L375[09:35:54] * Forecaster hugs jar of ips
L376[09:39:53] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNXxHCwqXF8
L377[09:39:53] <MichiBot> Shenzhen I/O plays Darude - Sandstorm | length: 58s | Likes: 8 Dislikes: 1 Views: 93 | by gtw123 | Published On 22/10/2016
L378[09:40:18] <Vexatos> The question is
L379[09:40:27] <Vexatos> Where is "Computronics plays Darude - Sandstorm"
L380[09:41:00] <vifino> Forecaster: You've never seen anything.
L381[09:41:07] * vifino makes very wavy hand movements
L382[09:41:33] <Inari> Vexatos: Where is SCM plays Darude - Sandstorm
L383[09:41:51] <Vexatos> Inari, it's actually possible
L384[09:42:13] <Inari> Vexatos: Why would it no tbe
L385[09:42:45] <Forecaster> lazyness mostly
L386[09:42:46] <Vexatos> ...because no audio? :>
L387[09:42:54] <Inari> noteblocks?
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L389[09:56:28] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SucMnGKICGc Some people really have a lot of time and motivation
L390[09:56:28] <MichiBot> Infinifactory Typewriter | length: 3m 28s | Likes: 36 Dislikes: 1 Views: 1,115 | by gtw123 | Published On 17/11/2015
L391[10:02:59] <Mettaton_Fab> Inari, why is shenzen I/O so Darude?
L392[10:06:46] <Lizzy> I keep forgetting that OC has a subreddit
L393[10:07:09] <Inari> Lizzy: it does?
L394[10:07:23] <gamax92> wait what
L395[10:07:32] <Inari> Seems fairly dead either way
L396[10:08:06] <Lizzy> yeah, the only moderators on it is SpiritedDusty, Ender and me (and that's only cause Ender added me)
L397[10:10:14] <Mettaton_Fab> so... my pc can run shenzen I/O, but i have no money for it.
L398[10:11:03] <Mettaton_Fab> i even looked for torrents, but i found out that its early-access.
L399[10:11:35] <Inari> I don't see how torrents relate to it being EA
L400[10:15:00] <Mettaton_Fab> its not avaiable as torrent.
L401[10:15:03] <Mettaton_Fab> thats why.
L402[10:15:39] <Inari> Where did FC get it then
L403[10:16:14] <Mettaton_Fab> who is FC?
L404[10:16:18] <gamax92> ^
L405[10:16:25] <Mettaton_Fab> da forecaster?
L406[10:16:42] <Mettaton_Fab> maybe he bougt it?
L407[10:16:49] <Mettaton_Fab> might be real.
L408[10:17:03] <Mettaton_Fab> but i dont have 15€ on steam.
L409[10:17:06] <Forecaster> *cough*
L410[10:17:16] <gamax92> Forecaster: *HACK WHEEZE*
L411[10:17:30] <Forecaster> *deathly screechy noise*
L412[10:17:45] <Forecaster> there's torrents.
L413[10:17:54] <Forecaster> you're just terrible at looking
L414[10:19:42] <Mettaton_Fab> i look around the piratebay.
L415[10:19:49] <Mettaton_Fab> so... where then?
L416[10:20:41] <Mettaton_Fab> i found TIS-100 and Spacechen, but not Shenzen I/O
L417[10:20:49] <Mettaton_Fab> *Spacechem
L418[10:21:42] <gamax92> generally when you look for something you look in more than one spot
L419[10:22:00] <Inari> And it always ends up being in the last spot :< (by definition)
L420[10:22:09] <gamax92> yep ... :<
L421[10:22:27] <Mettaton_Fab> any hints for websites?
L422[10:22:45] <Lizzy> Mettaton_Fab, no
L423[10:23:17] <Mettaton_Fab> aww.#
L424[10:23:26] <Mettaton_Fab> cant even try it then.
L425[10:28:15] <Forecaster> have you tried... google?
L426[10:29:10] <Inari> twitter/imgur are broke again :|
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L428[10:29:44] <Forecaster> I'm constantly broke
L429[10:30:03] <Forecaster> s/broke/bathing in youtube money
L430[10:30:03] <MichiBot> <Forecaster> I'm constantly bathing in youtube money
L431[10:30:22] <Inari> I just literally found a DL in 5 secs on google
L432[10:30:24] * Inari slaps emtt
L433[10:30:24] * EnderBot2 laughs
L434[10:30:27] * Inari slaps Mettaton_Fab
L435[10:30:27] * EnderBot2 laughs
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L437[10:36:50] <Inari> Hm
L438[10:37:42] <Inari> I kinda want to try eating cock (the poultry you idiots) someday, just so that I can claim I tried cock and it tastes like chicken
L439[10:38:01] <Forecaster> what if it doesn't? :O
L440[10:38:10] <Inari> Then I can still claim I tried it
L441[10:38:11] <Inari> :P
L442[10:38:34] <Inari> It was hard to write that without laughing too much :| *super mature*
L443[10:39:18] <Forecaster> also #oc == #youidiots
L444[10:39:20] <Forecaster> is accurate
L445[10:39:41] <Vexatos> Inari,
L446[10:39:46] <Vexatos> are you, like 11 or so
L447[10:39:48] <Vexatos> ._.
L448[10:40:02] <Mettaton_Fab> she is older than 5, thats what i can say.
L449[10:40:23] <Mettaton_Fab> or shes from an older generation that has gud humor.
L450[10:40:29] <Inari> Vexatos: I'm eternal 14~
L451[10:40:46] <Vexatos> That doesn't make it less silly
L452[10:40:51] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y-zTdXI6Pk ~
L453[10:40:52] <MichiBot> [otoMAD] Oshino shinobu - Ka Ka remix (LOOP) | length: 14m 59s | Likes: 2,462 Dislikes: 60 Views: 159,315 | by KISHIDA ANiME ViDEOS | Published On 7/6/2015
L454[10:41:03] <Mettaton_Fab> oh yeah, found a torrent.
L455[10:41:20] <Mettaton_Fab> i had to search shenzen io on google.
L456[10:41:29] <Mettaton_Fab> with torrent in the search bar.
L457[10:41:49] <Mettaton_Fab> as sooun as torrent appears, google gives me torrents.
L458[10:42:07] <gamax92> Inari: but what if you took that, and used a time stretcher to make it 20 times longer :>
L459[10:42:30] <gamax92> oh jeez that XD
L460[10:44:32] <Mettaton_Fab> Inari, i dont understand that anime.
L461[10:45:08] <gamax92> Is great series
L462[10:45:15] <Inari> it is
L463[10:45:19] <Inari> still need to fully watch it one of these days
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L465[10:50:27] <Inari> gamax92: Then I wouldn' thave to hit replay now
L466[10:56:10] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/ihTNtc2
L467[10:59:05] <gamax92> Inari: so fluffy
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L469[11:00:18] <Skye> Inari, how do you get to be immortal
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L471[11:02:07] <Inari> Skye: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok8N2PkqCDs
L472[11:02:07] <MichiBot> Transhumanism and Immortality | length: 28m 25s | Likes: 800 Dislikes: 9 Views: 21,515 | by Isaac Arthur | Published On 13/5/2016
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L479[11:19:01] <gamax92> Inari: http://i.imgur.com/s32t9nM.jpg
L480[11:19:50] * Skye pours liquid cuteness over Inari
L481[11:20:12] <Temia> So Inari is a robololi?
L482[11:20:34] <Skye> ?
L483[11:21:53] <Inari> https://secure.static.tumblr.com/ca57701aa81117150a600904f5a077f9/trs8n6v/V1Jod9z5h/tumblr_static_tumblr_static_415j7qh3ghkw0wg0ksg0c8k0o_640.jpg
L484[11:22:50] <Temia> I suppose I walked right into that.
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L486[11:25:27] <gamax92> wat
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L488[11:26:31] <gamax92> poor AshIndigo
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L500[11:42:21] * Inari washes the soap off of Temia's tail
L501[11:43:04] <Temia> .-.?
L502[11:43:10] <AshIndigo> ok then
L503[11:54:02] <Ember_Primrose> DAMMIT KAV
L504[11:54:21] <Forecaster> whosits?
L505[11:54:34] <Ember_Primrose> whut?
L506[11:54:42] <Forecaster> who's kav? :P
L507[11:54:52] <Ember_Primrose> Kaspersky Anti-Virus
L508[11:54:54] <Ember_Primrose> aka
L509[11:54:57] <Forecaster> oh right
L510[11:54:59] <Ember_Primrose> Satan in software
L511[11:56:26] <Temia> Could be worse
L512[11:56:27] <Ember_Primrose> it keeps deleting hexchat when hexxchat crashes
L513[11:56:29] <Temia> Could be Norton
L514[11:56:52] <AshIndigo> could be some weird bootleg
L515[11:56:54] <gamax92> hexchat on Windows is bad
L516[11:56:58] <gamax92> super crashy
L517[11:57:04] <Ember_Primrose> all i have
L518[11:57:10] <Ember_Primrose> and fuck web chat
L519[11:57:17] <AshIndigo> im using wocchat with a oc tablet
L520[11:57:27] <Ember_Primrose> im not in mc
L521[11:57:45] <Temia> There's always Quassel
L522[11:57:58] <Ember_Primrose> can i haz link?
L523[11:58:06] <Temia> http://quassel-irc.org/
L524[11:58:08] <Ember_Primrose> need to scope it first
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L526[12:00:45] <Ember_Primrose> who here remembers this masterpiece?
L527[12:00:46] <Ember_Primrose> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/208312248270061568/239429854246731776/unknown.png
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L529[12:02:02] <gamax92> I don't
L530[12:02:26] <Ember_Primrose> :o
L531[12:02:31] <Ember_Primrose> it was really good
L532[12:02:38] <Ember_Primrose> both on pc and ps2
L533[12:03:34] <Skye> I bet it's not going to work
L534[12:03:38] <Skye> SecuROM
L535[12:03:44] <Skye> it's going to just refuse to start
L536[12:06:20] <Ember_Primrose> nope
L537[12:06:24] <Ember_Primrose> it works
L538[12:07:35] <AshIndigo> what was good?
L539[12:07:49] <Ember_Primrose> Need For Speed Underground 2
L540[12:08:20] <AshIndigo> ah
L541[12:09:54] <Inari> Would be cool if we found life that directly consumes gamma radiation
L542[12:13:52] <Inari> Temia: [13:52:41] Inari rubs Temia's tail with soapstone
L543[12:15:05] <Inari> Half the time I stopped playing modded MC was because loading times or PFS
L544[12:15:06] <Inari> *FPS
L545[12:19:12] <t20kdc> did you know? wide characters are annoying.
L546[12:21:34] <Ember_Primrose> wide chars?
L547[12:23:37] <t20kdc> I'm not exactly sure what would happen if you wrote "ab" at (1, 1), then wrote a wide char at (1, 1), then wrote a space at (1, 1).
L548[12:24:16] <t20kdc> Would it be " b"? Or would the GPU set function have erased it, even though the wide char is only one character which hides the second?
L549[12:24:41] <t20kdc> ...these questions aren't actual serious questions, BTW.
L550[12:25:07] <gamax92> when you write a wide character the neighbor character to it's right is set to a space
L551[12:26:00] <t20kdc> Ah. Thank you. (Which means I have to be very careful not to let a wide character spill off of an edge...)
L552[12:39:25] <gamax92> I might have to build a new version of rubberband
L553[12:39:50] <t20kdc> ?
L554[12:39:54] <gamax92> it's for some reason doing a seek on it's output which ... makes no sense? you can write a wav file without having to do a seek.
L555[12:40:02] <gamax92> (seeking prevents me from using pipes)
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L557[12:55:54] <t20kdc> huh. wide text support was surprisingly painless once I translated strings entering the display code to be <widechar><added spaces><widechar><added spaces>, then translated it back on the way to the GPU...
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L560[12:56:24] <Skye> I wish it supported unicode including the country flags
L561[12:56:35] <Skye> but that would mean that everything would need to be strings of unicode
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L563[12:57:09] <t20kdc> Skye: Why? The country flags are UTF-8 encodable AFAIK.
L564[12:57:14] <t20kdc> So they'd just be... wait.
L565[12:57:16] <t20kdc> Oh, of course.
L566[12:57:35] <t20kdc> The fact they're an even bigger pain text-layout-wise... No, still salvagable.
L567[12:57:42] <t20kdc> Treat them as not wide-char.
L568[12:58:12] <t20kdc> When the time comes to display them, replace over them.
L569[12:58:13] <Skye> the flags use multiple chars
L570[12:58:36] <t20kdc> Exactly. Two of them, so the flags conveniently fill the space needed to paste them.
L571[12:58:52] <Skye> no
L572[12:58:54] <Skye> country codes
L573[12:58:58] <Skye> so sometimes two
L574[12:59:00] <Skye> sometimes more
L575[12:59:13] <t20kdc> Ok, so it'll have a bit of extra space on the end.
L576[12:59:53] <t20kdc> As long as it's "at least two", the screen can do the work without actually requiring any application intervention.
L577[13:00:13] <t20kdc> If it's one character, that's where things get annoying because it would have to be a wide-char.
L578[13:00:58] <t20kdc> Wide-char support was surprisingly painless for me, but then again the display architecture I use isn't exactly the same as what I assume most people use.
L579[13:01:25] <t20kdc> ("local function getChar(x, y)", that's all you need to know.)
L580[13:02:00] <Skye> actually
L581[13:02:09] <Skye> it only needs two 4 byte chars
L582[13:02:28] <t20kdc> As long as the flags are two chars.
L583[13:02:40] <t20kdc> Byte count doesn't matter, that's what the unicode lib is for.
L584[13:02:42] <Skye> two chars
L585[13:02:55] <Skye> t20kdc, it does matter
L586[13:03:27] <t20kdc> As long as things that actually cut up text are using the unicode lib,
L587[13:03:33] <t20kdc> byte count is not an issue.
L588[13:03:36] <Skye> 32 bit chars per thing for OC
L589[13:04:11] <t20kdc> ???
L590[13:04:29] <Skye> .-.
L591[13:05:00] <t20kdc> My point was, say a user does print("<country-flag>").
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L593[13:05:09] <t20kdc> That goes straight to the GPU, no interference.
L594[13:05:17] <Skye> two chars
L595[13:05:21] <t20kdc> Exactly.
L596[13:05:27] <t20kdc> Leaves a nice two-char-shaped hole in the screen,
L597[13:05:32] <t20kdc> where a country flag would fit nicely.
L598[13:05:57] <Skye> what does happen when someone does a normal widechar
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L600[13:06:31] <t20kdc> Normal widechars are a bit weird.
L601[13:06:46] <t20kdc> Basically, they're two characters for GPU purposes.
L602[13:07:01] <t20kdc> In GPU space, a widechar is two characters. (Or three characters, or four. In theory. Hasn't come up yet.)
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L604[13:07:25] <Skye> what happens
L605[13:07:45] <t20kdc> Happens at what level?
L606[13:08:10] <t20kdc> From the application's perspective, if it was expecting it, all should be fine. If not, then the application probably just overwrote the right part of a text field and it looks ugly.
L607[13:09:27] <gamax92> wtf are you talking about
L608[13:09:53] <Skye> gpu.put("ばか？", 0, 0), for example? what happens? any overrding stuff?
L609[13:10:02] <gamax92> .set
L610[13:10:20] <Skye> blah
L611[13:11:08] <t20kdc> Skye: What I mean is that... Ok. Say you do gpu.set(1, 1, "[123]") then: gpu.set(2, 1, "ばか？")
L612[13:11:10] <gamax92> but seriously, though, a character is a character, why would there need to be special handling for flags and japanese characters and normal text and whatnot
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L615[13:11:35] <Skye> because they're wider than words.
L616[13:11:41] <Skye> s/words/ascii stuff/
L617[13:11:41] <MichiBot> <Skye> because they're wider than ascii stuff.
L618[13:11:43] <Skye> blah
L619[13:12:28] <t20kdc> Skye: What you'd get would be "[ばか？"- the ']' is now gone, because it actually wrote over 6 cells, not 3.
L620[13:12:38] <gamax92> yeah no shit
L621[13:13:01] <gamax92> you were going on about the number of bytes of country flags and how the fuck is that relevant?
L622[13:13:22] <Skye> because country flags take two bytes of actual space with no padding needed
L623[13:13:36] <t20kdc> * two chars
L624[13:13:52] <gamax92> so you mean that's its a wide character right?
L625[13:14:00] <Skye> byte == char is the wrong word
L626[13:14:02] <t20kdc> Nope! Country flags are "interesting"
L627[13:14:20] <gamax92> then go on ...
L628[13:14:42] <t20kdc> There's 26 letters,
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L630[13:15:02] <t20kdc> and combining two of them makes a country flag.
L631[13:15:07] <t20kdc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Indicator_Symbol
L632[13:15:57] <gamax92> ahh, unicode characters that pair together
L633[13:16:07] <Temia> So it's basically the usual TLD codes translated to a much higher mapping?
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L635[13:16:17] <Skye> Temia, yes
L636[13:16:19] <Temia> Heck, even Canada's flag obviously matches up with "ca".
L637[13:16:28] <gamax92> yeah literally nothing to do with bytes like Skye was wrongly using
L638[13:18:32] <gamax92> There's three problems for this, 1) OC doesn't support codepoints higher than 0xFFFF, they wrap around, 2) OC doesn't recognize such paired characters, 3) OC doesn't have proper width support anyway for characters that are supposed to overlay eachother
L639[13:19:03] <Skye> gamax92, doesn't OC use 32bit chars?
L640[13:19:42] <gamax92> Java's char is a 16bit unsigned number, it uses UTF-16/UCS-2
L641[13:20:00] <Temia> Aha.
L642[13:20:23] <gamax92> and not only that, even if you're properly using Strings, you have to do special stuff to properly handle surrogate pairs (which is what 0x10000 and above get encoded as)
L643[13:20:56] <gamax92> otherwise normal operations on a String will just get you the first part of a surrogate pair and the second part of the surrogate pairs as separate chars
L644[13:21:29] <Skye> I remember someone talking about OC using 32bit ints for every "character" on screen
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L646[13:22:00] <gamax92> the textbuffer might have something different itself but ... part of the issue plays into what I said above
L647[13:22:13] <Skye> so it'd have to have custom code
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L649[13:27:03] <t20kdc> Basically, Java's Stupid, And So Is C#
L650[13:27:12] <t20kdc> because they both use 16-bit chars, which is ridiculous
L651[13:29:10] <ds84182> t20kdc: its better than C's wchar_t because it is consistently 16 chars EVERY TIME
L652[13:29:51] <t20kdc> ds84182: people... people use wchar_t?!?!?!
L653[13:29:57] <t20kdc> O.O
L654[13:30:01] <ds84182> Yes, if you are working with unicode
L655[13:30:07] <ds84182> you know, that thing that everyone hates
L656[13:30:16] <t20kdc> no! always, always, always, use uint32_t
L657[13:30:28] <ds84182> so much wasted space
L658[13:30:28] <gamax92> lolno?
L659[13:30:51] <t20kdc> Well, either use uint32_t or don't bother with Unicode
L660[13:31:06] <ds84182> what happens if an api you need to use takes wchar_t
L661[13:31:20] <ds84182> like nintendo's terrible api for every single console they made
L662[13:31:31] <gamax92> cast :> (i dunno)
L663[13:31:47] <t20kdc> If you have to use wchar_t, then use it,
L664[13:31:56] <t20kdc> but otherwise stay away from half-way solutions
L665[13:31:58] <gamax92> everytime I've worked with unicode in C it's just char arrays and utf-8
L666[13:32:18] <t20kdc> Basically, 16-bit chars give you the impression of international support
L667[13:32:28] <t20kdc> but then drop the facade the moment you're dealing with, say, emoji
L668[13:32:36] <t20kdc> that thing which everybody and their dog uses
L669[13:32:40] <ds84182> nintendo doesn't deal with emoji though
L670[13:32:49] <ds84182> they just say "fuck u" and gives you tofu
L671[13:32:52] <t20kdc> Lucky them.
L672[13:33:09] <Skye> UTF8
L673[13:33:17] <gamax92> ds84182: hey that switch thing though :>
L674[13:33:41] <ds84182> gamax92: probably doesn't support emoji :P
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L676[13:33:57] <t20kdc> it's real?
L677[13:34:03] <ds84182> ...yes
L678[13:34:03] <t20kdc> I thought that was just clickbait
L679[13:34:08] <ds84182> the switch is 100% real
L680[13:34:34] <ds84182> http://www.nintendo.com/switch
L681[13:34:49] <gamax92> but will it have webkit
L682[13:35:00] <t20kdc> wow... it looks... ...
L683[13:35:01] <ds84182> gamax92: nope, totally going to go revive opera instead
L684[13:35:16] <gamax92> wasn't the wii browser opera?
L685[13:35:18] <t20kdc> ...like Nintendo decided it was a good idea to make their site, after you load it,
L686[13:35:19] <ds84182> and dsi
L687[13:35:21] <t20kdc> have a second loading screen
L688[13:35:40] <t20kdc> and all of this just to contain a youtube video
L689[13:36:03] <ds84182> but it looks pretty
L690[13:36:09] <ds84182> :P
L691[13:36:24] <t20kdc> but will the switch finally have the mystical magic from the lands of far future...
L692[13:36:39] <t20kdc> known only by their arcane name, "shædires"...
L693[13:36:50] <ds84182> It uses an Nvidia Tegra chip so... sure?
L694[13:37:09] <ds84182> ofc Nvidia is boasting about it every single chance they get
L695[13:37:11] <t20kdc> ...they're using a Tegra. In a console.
L696[13:37:21] <ds84182> ...
L697[13:37:32] <ds84182> t20kdc: just continue watching the video
L698[13:38:11] <t20kdc> Ah. I was just busy recovering from a bout of completely random laughter that did not involve this conversation at all.
L699[13:38:28] <gamax92> it's not funny that they're using a Tegra
L700[13:38:42] <t20kdc> Aren't those mobile chips?
L701[13:38:58] <ds84182> Honestly I'm impressed that a Tegra can run some of those games
L702[13:39:14] <t20kdc> Well, yeah. That is actually pretty impressive...
L703[13:39:26] <gamax92> the Tegra is actually quite powerful
L704[13:39:44] <gamax92> dunno which version of it they're using in the switch but
L705[13:39:58] <ds84182> gamax92: Nvidia says its some custom thing
L706[13:40:17] <ds84182> Thats also probably why they canceled the Shield 2 tablet
L707[13:42:47] <gamax92> people have already made fan art and porn of the switch :P
L708[13:43:25] <t20kdc> gamax92: Do you mean anime-girl-izations, or...
L709[13:44:22] <gamax92> t20kdc: http://i.imgur.com/gSySkda.png
L710[13:44:39] <t20kdc> what.
L711[13:45:07] <gamax92> Yep, Joy-Con dog
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L714[13:52:32] <Temia> Well
L715[13:52:34] <Temia> Could be worse
L716[13:52:43] <Temia> Could be the joy-con dog on the moe anthropomorphisations.
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L718[14:02:47] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UpZnSjMko4 this is so wrong lol
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L720[14:14:55] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLhtSekixts
L721[14:14:55] <MichiBot> Balloon Trip (Beta Mix) - Balloon Fight | length: 52s | Likes: 295 Dislikes: 2 Views: 6,029 | by SiIvaGunner | Published On 29/9/2016
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L725[14:26:14] <CompanionCube> lol, 'yarn' has no slack, gitter or anything like that...instead it has Discord
L726[14:26:25] <CompanionCube> Weird choice for a pure software tool
L727[14:27:43] <Kane_Hart> This is just super hot https://i.redd.it/qbcr07dew0tx.jpg
L728[14:30:26] <Forecaster> yarn?
L729[14:30:58] <CompanionCube> Forecaster: a new shiny JS package manager that's popular because...I have no idea
L730[14:38:05] <t20kdc> maybe it's popular because it uses discord
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L734[14:58:51] <_habnabit> hm. from just li.cil.oc i'm not sure how you can get a FileSystem out of a Network. doesn't seem possible. not sure what the point of being able to walk the nodes of a network is..
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L736[15:02:49] <gamax92> ooh, it's going to have been a while since I've fired up gradle and eclipse
L737[15:18:20] <gamax92> ds84182: https://twitter.com/NWPlayer123/status/789638663088971776
L738[15:18:20] <MichiBot> Fri Oct 21 20:25:02 CDT 2016 @NWPlayer123: tfw https://t.co/EQpPC2cI7e
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L743[15:30:53] <Ember_Primrose> Nini @here . Power is struck out by lightning.
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L745[15:38:11] <gamax92> _habnabit: FileSystem extends ManagedEnvironment implements ManagedEnvironment api extends Environment, Node has host which is an Environment
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L747[15:39:15] <_habnabit> gamax92, hm. i thought i tried that. there's multiple FileSystems, though--you're talking about the one in api.fs?
L748[15:39:54] <gamax92> no the one in server.component
L749[15:40:13] <_habnabit> ah, right, ok
L750[15:40:34] <_habnabit> is that considered public enough? it's not in the api source jar
L751[15:43:34] <gamax92> _habnabit: depends, what do you need it for
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L755[15:46:29] <ds84182> gamax92: lmao
L756[15:46:46] <ds84182> people are having fun taking the video apart frame by frame
L757[15:48:39] <_habnabit> gamax92, writing a mod that adds a component which reads from the machine's fs
L758[15:49:17] <gamax92> ahh
L759[15:49:56] <_habnabit> gamax92, not sure if there's a better way
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L761[15:50:23] <gamax92> iirc there's an invoke method
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L763[15:50:54] <_habnabit> gamax92, invoke on what interface?
L764[15:51:47] <gamax92> server.network.Component, is a type of Node and has .invoke
L765[15:52:13] <_habnabit> aha
L766[15:52:27] <gamax92> so you could check if it's name field is "filesystem", that it can be seen from the computer, and then use reflection(?) to call .inoke
L767[15:53:05] <_habnabit> that works
L768[15:53:05] <gamax92> _habnabit: (in OCLights2 I just read from the world folder :v)
L769[15:53:19] <gamax92> I just realize that has issues with buffered files now.
L770[15:53:22] <gamax92> welp.
L771[15:53:25] <_habnabit> oops
L772[15:53:55] <_habnabit> but so it's openoos that mounts the components into a full filesystem, right?
L773[15:54:04] <_habnabit> otherwise you wouldn't see /tmp
L774[15:54:28] <gamax92> yeah openos has a whole vfs thing to mount components into a virtual tree
L775[15:55:11] <_habnabit> hm okay
L776[15:55:42] <gamax92> you could probably just ship a library wrapper that gets the address containing a file
L777[15:55:44] <_habnabit> so you'd have to somehow ask openos to translate a vfs path to a component/path pair if you wanted that
L778[15:55:46] <Inari> ds84182: video?
L779[15:55:56] <gamax92> Inari: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uik5fgIaI
L780[15:55:56] <MichiBot> First Look at Nintendo Switch | length: 3m 37s | Likes: 435,922 Dislikes: 18,424 Views: 14,844,997 | by Nintendo | Published On 20/10/2016
L781[15:55:57] <_habnabit> yeah ok
L782[15:56:33] <Inari> https://twitter.com/NWPlayer123/status/789638663088971776 I don't get it
L783[15:56:34] <MichiBot> Fri Oct 21 20:25:02 CDT 2016 @NWPlayer123: tfw https://t.co/EQpPC2cI7e
L784[15:56:55] <Inari> Oh
L785[15:57:02] <Inari> The top right pictures is kinda misleading :P
L786[15:58:03] <gamax92> oh yeah that's another thing, guy walks up to TV displaying bright green, has no illumination on him :P
L787[15:59:25] <Inari> https://twitter.com/Josh_Smith/status/789588126914281473
L788[15:59:25] <MichiBot> Fri Oct 21 17:04:13 CDT 2016 @Josh_Smith: . @internetofshit The #DDOS attack took out Internet connected parking meters and I got a ticket. https://t.co/e5jckxLqbO
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L793[16:36:54] <Inari> Hm meh
L794[16:37:04] <Inari> I need to find some OpenSource thing to contribute to xD (and no, not OC :P)
L795[16:43:32] <gamax92> Inari: https://github.com/inolen/redream
L796[16:44:00] <Inari> I'm not sure I coudl contribute much to that xD
L797[16:44:23] <Inari> But might take a look
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L801[16:52:22] <CompanionCube> Inari: for hacktoberfest?
L802[16:52:33] <Inari> Nah, just to kind of contribute something to something
L803[16:56:29] <gamax92> Inari: you're not useless :(
L804[16:58:52] <Inari> gamax92: :P
L805[16:59:16] <Inari> http://i.4cdn.org/g/1477172896217.png
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L808[17:00:22] <gamax92> Inari: lol
L809[17:00:51] <gamax92> where's the Makefile/recipe though, can't build that!
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L811[17:05:01] <Skye> Inari, contribute to... my Z80 emulator! :P
L812[17:05:17] <Inari> Everyone making emulators xD
L813[17:05:27] <Inari> Z80 doesnt sound ahrd to emualte at taht
L814[17:06:17] <gamax92> 6502 isn't either, pretty simple and many tests to make sure you got it right
L815[17:06:41] <Inari> How did we get to 6502
L816[17:06:44] <Inari> unless dreamcast uses that
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L819[17:07:55] <gamax92> dreamcast uses Hitachi SH-4
L820[17:08:12] <Inari> hitachi eh?
L821[17:08:13] <Inari> lewd
L822[17:08:43] <gamax92> yamaha eh?
L823[17:08:44] <gamax92> lewd
L824[17:08:54] <Inari> What lewd thing did yamaha make o.o
L825[17:09:02] <gamax92> What lewd thing did hitachi make o.o
L826[17:09:20] <Mettaton_Fab> i dunno, maybe vibrator components?
L827[17:09:27] <alekso56> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Magic_Wand
L828[17:09:27] <Inari> https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--b_8AAOKq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/dkgxqojk3zrbxshpwzjk.jpg
L829[17:09:39] <gamax92> oh.
L830[17:11:08] <Skye> Inari, the Z80 is not easy
L831[17:11:16] <Skye> it's got a ton of special cases
L832[17:13:18] *** medsouz|offline is now known as medsouz
L833[17:13:21] <Mettaton_Fab> the z80 is technically a 8080 clone.
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L835[17:14:23] <GreazyMcgeezy> You guys are bashing an electronics company for making personal pleasure toys?
L836[17:14:32] <Inari> who is bashing
L837[17:14:48] <Inari> Skye: Special cases just means bad design, we don't support that here
L838[17:15:14] <GreazyMcgeezy> Context of calling them "lewd" for doing so seemed like bashing. Sorry if misinterpreted.
L839[17:15:31] <Inari> You must be new around here
L840[17:15:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, less than 24 hrs, lol.
L841[17:15:46] <GreazyMcgeezy> Good call.
L842[17:17:10] <Skye> Inari calling things lewd means that they like it.
L843[17:17:19] <Skye> Inari, the Z80 is not a bad design.
L844[17:17:37] <Skye> it's more what happens when you are compatible with something that didn't have extensability in mind
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L846[17:18:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> Thanks for the clarification. Always a derogatory term in the bible belt area that I grew up in.
L847[17:19:24] * CompanionCube wonders what would happen if they met Inari
L848[17:19:33] <CompanionCube> I could imagine them getting into a fight *very* quickly
L849[17:19:41] <Inari> I wonder if the bible has any tentacles
L850[17:19:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'd say so.
L851[17:19:58] <GreazyMcgeezy> It seems to grab every idiot that comes near it.
L852[17:20:28] <alekso56> phew, it's hot in here.
L853[17:20:35] <Inari> Also there needs to be a tentacle appreciation day
L854[17:20:50] <Inari> I bet our resident moo woujld agree
L855[17:20:52] * Inari pokes Temia
L856[17:21:09] <alekso56> don't poke the moo :<
L857[17:21:42] <Temia> mu? .w.
L858[17:21:56] <Inari> Temia: Tentacle appreciation day. y/n?
L859[17:21:59] <Temia> ...ehhh...
L860[17:22:05] <Temia> No comment.
L861[17:22:10] <alekso56> juuust waaalk awaaay
L862[17:22:12] <Inari> Psh
L863[17:22:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> alekso56, Was the hot statement referring to the most recent conversation or to your reference of the "Magic Wand" You haven't spoken since posting that, just want to be sure.
L864[17:22:55] <alekso56> hah, no, but anything you want sire. :p
L865[17:22:59] <Inari> Michiyo: How did you get used to lewds
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L867[17:23:12] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol.
L868[17:24:19] <Inari> Also to be clear, it doesnt driectyl mean I like it, but callling it lewd means its a sexual thing and I do have an affinity to a lot of sexual things
L869[17:24:43] <alekso56> affinity is an understatement
L870[17:24:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> That makes sense. Glad to know I'm in good company.
L871[17:24:52] <CompanionCube> Inari: I swear you've said that entirely non-sexual things were lewd
L872[17:25:04] <Inari> CompanionCube: That justmeans you don't see the sexuality of them
L873[17:25:11] <alekso56> CompanionCube: Inari's fetishes have no limit.
L874[17:25:17] <Inari> They do :x
L875[17:25:29] <Inari> Actually they are rather limited
L876[17:25:32] <alekso56> shush
L877[17:25:42] <gamax92> NOM NOM NOM
L878[17:25:45] <gamax92> why is capslock on >_>
L879[17:25:46] <Skye> we don't know the limit
L880[17:25:58] <gamax92> how do i disable capslock in linux :P
L881[17:26:03] <Inari> GreaseMonkey: You dont happen to watch anime, do you?
L882[17:26:10] <alekso56> gamax92: delete system 32
L883[17:26:14] <gamax92> alekso56: already done
L884[17:26:55] <CompanionCube> gamax92: xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock"
L885[17:26:57] <alekso56> gamax92: try xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock" or setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps
L886[17:26:59] <CompanionCube> from the first result in duckduckgo
L887[17:28:27] <alekso56> or maybe sudo apt-get install xdotool & xdotool key Caps_Lock
L888[17:29:09] <alekso56> orrr xkbset nullify lock
L889[17:29:14] <CompanionCube> also, lol the 4 seconds gap
L890[17:30:14] <alekso56> because i was scrolling instead of just posting one solution :v
L891[17:31:15] <Inari> "and is able to bring women to orgasm." That sounds like sucha grandiose statement if worded like that
L892[17:33:23] <Inari> Skye: Just build a Z80 in redstone
L893[17:33:41] <gamax92> I used setxkbmap anyway
L894[17:33:50] <Inari> Also I'm bored
L895[17:33:54] <gamax92> Inari: can tell.
L896[17:34:28] <Inari> I hate when its late, I'm bored,a nd I don't have anything in particular planned for the next day
L897[17:34:37] <Inari> because it means if I go sleep I'll just wake up to be bored again
L898[17:34:38] <Inari> xD
L899[17:34:54] <Skye> Inari, design something electronic
L900[17:36:10] <CompanionCube> Inari: why not choose to learn something new
L901[17:36:28] <Inari> Because I don't feel like thinking and wouldn't know what to learn anyway :P
L902[17:37:00] <Inari> I want something to have fun with~
L903[17:37:08] <Inari> (lewd?)
L904[17:37:35] <Skye> Inari, learn Japanese
L905[17:37:52] <gamax92> i just sit here on irc and watch youtube and look at reddit and imgur
L906[17:37:55] <Inari> Skye: Eh, tried multiple times :P don't know any good material on it, am lazy
L907[17:37:59] <gamax92> resolve the occasional github issue
L908[17:38:02] <CompanionCube> duolingo?
L909[17:38:34] <Inari> CompanionCube: They don't offer japanese
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L913[17:54:09] <Skye> Inari, learn chineese
L914[17:54:46] <Kimiro> Skye: Get Lucy out of you.
L915[17:54:53] <Skye> ?
L916[17:55:27] <Kimiro> Lucy's in the Skye with diamonds in her eyes.
L917[17:55:46] <Skye> ???
L918[17:56:36] <Kimiro> :v
L919[17:56:44] <Kimiro> Just... Google it.
L920[17:57:56] <LizzyTheKitty> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxaOItEmu3U
L921[17:58:24] <Kimiro> Thank you @LizzyTheKitty
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L924[18:13:09] <Lizzy> gamax92/me curls up on vifino and falls asleep
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L927[18:18:39] <Antheus> I feel blessed
L928[18:18:49] <Antheus> Been getting 1.0 MB/s download speeds all day
L929[18:18:58] * Kimiro curses Antheus
L930[18:19:15] <Antheus> I usually get half or a quarter of that
L931[18:19:33] <Kimiro> Also, that's almost 1.5% of what I'm getting on my phone right now.
L932[18:19:58] <Kimiro> Your blessing is moot. :D
L933[18:21:11] <GreazyMcgeezy> Is that sarcasm at all or are you really happy about 1MB/s?
L934[18:22:26] <Kimiro> Knowing what little I know about Antheus... Probably not sarcasm.
L935[18:25:21] <GreazyMcgeezy> Okay. Just didn't know since 1MB/s isn't that great these days. But depending on where they live, that might be smokin' so was curious.
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L937[18:36:00] <alekso56> and here i am, complaining about the slow speed of 6.2MB/s.
L938[18:36:54] <alekso56> when everyone is streaming HD stuff and downloading large files, it takes like an hour to download stuff :<
L939[18:37:11] <alekso56> muh 20GB anime downloads :<<
L940[18:37:52] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I'm only able to get 3.0MB/s. Kind of surprised at that actually considering all I can get here is DSL. But I'm close enough to the POP that they're able to bond 2x 12.5Mb/s links.
L941[18:38:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> So technically I guess I'm able to get slightly over 3.0, but I think the most I've seen is 3.1 or 3.2
L942[18:39:52] <ds84182> I wish I had unlimited data on my phone
L943[18:40:03] <ds84182> sooooo much faster than what im using right now
L944[18:40:56] <alekso56> huh, am i the only person with free data nowadays? it seems like all the big companies are shutting those cards down.
L945[18:41:24] <ds84182> yep
L946[18:42:25] <alekso56> ... last time i mentioned that, i had to host a network for a good 50 people. pfft.
L947[18:42:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> I get lucky on that, my company pays for my mobile phone and a mifi. The plan shows a limit, but it's pooled so if I go over it's not a big deal. The part that sucks is that while I essentially have "unlimited" data, the area I live in has shit for signal.
L948[18:42:44] <alekso56> 4G+ could barely keep up
L949[18:43:31] <ds84182> I have 18gb of shared data per month
L950[18:43:39] <ds84182> but I share it with 2 other people
L951[18:43:49] <ds84182> plus verizon is absolutely shit here
L952[18:44:09] <ds84182> There is one spec of no 4G coverage in Georgia and that is WHERE I LIVE
L953[18:44:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> Nice. My mifi shows that I have 6GB/month, it's current month usage was 28GB last I checked with a week to go, lol.
L954[18:44:12] <ds84182> Its so tiny
L955[18:44:58] <ds84182> http://i.imgur.com/dNbKf62.png
L956[18:45:06] <ds84182> that spec in the VERY MIDDLE is where I live
L957[18:45:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, the coverage map for VZ in North Carolina shows that I'm covered, but tell that to everyone I end up hanging up on.
L958[18:45:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol
L959[18:45:31] <GreazyMcgeezy> That sucks.
L960[18:45:44] <Kimiro> Man I'm glad I live in Canada.
L961[18:46:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> I could be getting 60Mb/s, the tap for Charter Cable is LITERALLY across the street from my driveway. My house however is ~800ft from the tap and they wouldn't run it. Didn't even give me the option to pay the extra.
L962[18:47:39] <Kimiro> Sucks to be you.
L963[18:47:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Story of my life.
L964[18:48:02] <ds84182> AT&T ran a fiber wire to my house, but our speeds are so shit compared to what we really should get (looking at price compared to other companies)
L965[18:48:11] <ds84182> But hey, zero packet loss
L966[18:49:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> I had fiber with Verizon when I lived in Florida, 75Mbps/75Mbps plus a TV plan for about $120/month
L967[18:50:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> HD TV Plan at that.
L968[18:50:32] <ds84182> Sitting here with 8Mbps down 1.5Mbps up
L969[18:50:35] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hell, I don't even have TV here and only the 25Mpbs/3Mbps and a phone and I'm paying more than that.
L970[18:50:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> You sure that's Fiber?
L971[18:51:03] <GreazyMcgeezy> I thought they typically did synchronous transfer for that?
L972[18:51:07] <Kimiro> Fibre One cereal maybe.
L973[18:51:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> That sounds more like DSL
L974[18:51:39] <Mimiru> That's about what I was getting on AT&T Fiber
L975[18:51:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh wow.
L976[18:51:53] <Mimiru> Fiber to the pole, not to the home so it was shitty DSL after the pole
L977[18:51:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> That's their UVERSE service?
L978[18:51:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> AHHH
L979[18:51:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, that's the diff
L980[18:52:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> I had fiber to a mux in the garage.
L981[18:52:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> Then ran ethernet from there into a Cisco 3825
L982[18:52:26] <Mimiru> AFAIK they still don't offer FTTH here
L983[18:56:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> You also in Gorgia Mimiru?
L984[18:57:59] <gamax92> wheeee ... preparing food for oven, removed stuff from the food and then realized I was reading microwave instructions and not oven instructions
L985[18:58:04] <gamax92> oops oh well.
L986[18:58:39] <ds84182> back
L987[18:58:40] <ds84182> sorry
L988[18:58:44] <ds84182> yeah, pretty much that
L989[18:58:46] <ds84182> (although I thought with this setup they ran fiber to the house)
L990[18:59:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> Do you have a mux that the fiber runs into and either coax/ethernet runs out of?
L991[18:59:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> I know ours was in the garage, but I've heard of external ones too I think.
L992[19:03:49] <ds84182> I think I have that
L993[19:03:58] <ds84182> Its some beige box that hooks up to the router
L994[19:04:00] <ds84182> quite big
L995[19:04:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, that sounds about right.
L996[19:04:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> Looks like they have diff levels of UVERSE Service though.
L997[19:05:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_U-verse#Internet
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L999[19:12:56] <ds84182> I think the internet (as a whole) might be having problems again
L1000[19:12:57] <ds84182> or maybe everything is working against me today
L1001[19:18:18] <gamax92> one of the things that sucks about down detector is that it'll give you a page full of several graphs in it's top10 list or whatnot
L1002[19:18:33] <gamax92> but all of them have no scale so you don't know how large a point in it's graph is
L1003[19:36:31] <Antheus> So
L1004[19:36:46] <Antheus> I'm buying 1 Month of Nexus Premium
L1005[19:37:01] <Antheus> And I was expecting to pay the ~$5 USD it says
L1006[19:37:35] <Antheus> but thanks to the amazing conversion rate between the pound and USD, I only have to pay $3.75 :D
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L1008[19:38:40] <Skye> Antheus: so brexit is good for you?
L1009[19:38:46] <Antheus> Yes
L1010[19:38:59] <Antheus> now if only other countries could do the same thing...
L1011[19:39:09] <Antheus> but only when I need to pay in their currency
L1012[19:45:14] <Skye> I hope that brexit doesn't ruin my life
L1013[19:45:25] <Skye> So far, the economy is not being very nice.
L1014[19:45:33] <Skye> Which... Does not bode well.
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L1016[19:48:04] <Skye> Also, if there's anyone here who supports brexit, I'd like to know why. Not to attack, because I'm not like that, but... I seriously don't understand why, except for reasons that make me feel depressed at humanity.
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L1018[19:51:42] <CompanionCube> Skye: maybe the government will realise that this is a bad idea
L1019[19:51:52] <GreazyMcgeezy> Firstly, I'm not in support of it, but this is what happens when the population doesn't trust the leadership they're provided with.
L1020[19:52:40] <CompanionCube> Skye: there's a sense of irony to the fact for those that voted exit as protest
L1021[19:52:43] <Skye> GreazyMcgeezy: then why in the **** did they vote said leadership in?!
L1022[19:53:05] <CompanionCube> actually, to be more clear
L1023[19:53:26] <CompanionCube> If you voted to exit because you don't trust the government, then you've just given them more power and control
L1024[19:53:58] <Skye> It's depressing.
L1025[19:54:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, I'm not an expert on politics, especially European politics, however I didn't vote for hte leadership we have and I couldnt' be more disappointed that the rest of the country did.
L1026[19:54:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> And my feelings are shared among a very large portion of the country.
L1027[19:54:21] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: I feel the same way
L1028[19:54:31] <CompanionCube> We never had a vote on Theresa May being PM.
L1029[19:54:56] <Skye> All I can hope for is to find a programming job in Ireland or some other country that allows multiple citizenship.
L1030[19:55:12] <CompanionCube> Skye: you're already a citizen of the US, so :p
L1031[19:55:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, we had a vote, but most of the people in America only know/believe what the mainstream media shoves down their throats. They're not educated enough to do research on their own.
L1032[19:55:38] <Skye> (If you live in Ireland for 4 years in an 8 year window you can get citizenship)
L1033[19:55:44] <CompanionCube> so who do you support for this election?
L1034[19:55:49] <GreazyMcgeezy> Me?
L1035[19:55:57] <CompanionCube> yes
L1036[19:55:58] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'll be voting for Gary Johnson.
L1037[19:56:42] <Skye> Democracy works when people are educated about said democracy properly.
L1038[19:56:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> I honestly believe that somewhere in the middle is where we should be, and our two party system has failed us miserably.
L1039[19:57:31] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: we have a rather broken voting system too. First-past-the-post a shit.
L1040[19:57:58] <Skye> I'd suggest single transferable vote.
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L1042[19:58:45] <CompanionCube> anything that's proportional will work
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L1044[19:59:36] <Skye> The problem is that the current government will mess up things for the next government.
L1045[19:59:46] <GreazyMcgeezy> It's insanity to think the "best of 2 evils" will get us out of what the "best of 2 evils" got us into.
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L1047[20:01:02] <CompanionCube> this is how bad it was in the last election: 'UKIP's 13% share of the overall votes cast had resulted in the election of just one MP'
L1048[20:01:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol, 13%eh?
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L1050[20:01:59] <CompanionCube> UKIP may have terrible policies, but that's just hilariously broken if it's truly supposed to represent the people's wishes and views
L1051[20:02:16] <Skye> Ironically, UKIP has the most people in the EU parliament.
L1052[20:03:34] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, honestly, I think that our system COULD work. The problem is, is that our government purposely puts the population against each other. Everything from our voting system to our media coverage is proof of this.
L1053[20:03:56] <Skye> That's the problem.
L1054[20:04:47] <CompanionCube> I'm not sure what the name is but something like this would be sweet:
L1055[20:05:30] <CompanionCube> You give your vote for everything to person X. At any time you can switch whoever you give it to, or recall it and vote for yourself (e.g for issues particularly important to you)
L1056[20:05:35] <GreazyMcgeezy> Which as history will tell us, disarmament of the people and separation of the people are two techniques used for governance in civilizations that are headed toward a dictatorship.
L1057[20:07:10] <GreazyMcgeezy> First and foremost I support The Constitution, which classifies me as a Constitutionalist/Libertarian, but for the reason that it's the only document that if upheld, gives the people the power to question their government.
L1058[20:07:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> And do something about it if results aren't provided.
L1059[20:08:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> Our Bill of Rights is currently under attack, but no one seems to even notice. It's only compared to, "It could be worse, look at <insert_some_crappy_country_here>".
L1060[20:08:58] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: the problem is the government doesn't really give a fuck about the constitution
L1061[20:09:06] <CompanionCube> it has to look like it does, but it really doesn't
L1062[20:09:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> You're exactly right. It infringes on their agendas.
L1063[20:09:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> It's hard to rule with an iron fist when lead can fly in both directions.
L1064[20:09:50] <GreazyMcgeezy> Which is why gun rights is such a huge topic in our country.
L1065[20:10:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> *are
L1066[20:10:43] <CompanionCube> also, it could very much be worse
L1067[20:11:00] <CompanionCube> you could be living in the UK under the current government
L1068[20:11:00] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, however, if we let them dwindle away the things that make it better, it's only a matter of time.
L1069[20:12:16] <CompanionCube> hint: The UK is a country where the term 'internet connection records' is going to have a real legal meaning very shortly.
L1070[20:12:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> Just like a price increase on a menu, raise it a nickel every 3 months and nobody notices until it's $5 more than when you first started buying it. If you raised it $5 initially, you would have stopped buying it then.
L1071[20:13:29] * CompanionCube hopes someone having their shit logged will take the government to court under the ECHR
L1072[20:14:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Pretty sure internet governance is a topic behind closed doors (and some leaked out) here in the US also though.
L1073[20:14:49] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: I shit you not.
L1074[20:14:51] <CompanionCube> 'require communication service providers (CSPs) to retain UK internet users' "Internet connection records" – which websites were visited but not the particular pages and not the full browsing history – for one year;'
L1075[20:15:23] <GreazyMcgeezy> You know when our government restricts what's taught in history class because it doesn't reflect highly on them that access to information isn't in their best interest.
L1076[20:15:50] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh, that's SHIT
L1077[20:15:50] <Kimiro> How long until V blows up parliament?
L1078[20:16:30] <CompanionCube> It's a bit outdated, but
L1079[20:16:32] <CompanionCube> ttps://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/473745/Factsheet-Internet_Connection_Records.pdf
L1080[20:17:51] <CompanionCube> Of course, any actual implementation has a number of barriers to cross.
L1081[20:20:44] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: since they have actually decent security (I hope) likely never
L1082[20:20:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right, that looks horrible though. I love how everytime a government puts something that has a potentially EXTREME restriction of rights is always touted by the measure of "safety"
L1083[20:20:58] <Kimiro> Heh.
L1084[20:21:27] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: I'm not sure a (decent) implementation is even technically possible though
L1085[20:21:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Reminds me of the rather famous Ben Franklin quote, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
L1086[20:21:49] <Kimiro> What will you give up in the interest of safety?
L1087[20:22:06] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'll give my lead to intruders.
L1088[20:22:12] <Kimiro> ^
L1089[20:23:13] <Kimiro> Also.
L1090[20:23:37] <Kimiro> I want sodium core hollow point rounds.
L1091[20:23:43] <CompanionCube> can you see the obvious potential flaws in how you would go about implementing this?
L1092[20:24:11] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh of course.
L1093[20:24:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> It reminds me of the US' "Patriot Act"
L1094[20:24:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> "We can spy on you all we want. Oh, don't worry though, we will only use this data if it's a terrorist"
L1095[20:25:13] <Kimiro> CompanionCube: Yeah, but I've got some design ideas.
L1096[20:25:23] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: one word: UDP
L1097[20:25:46] <GreazyMcgeezy> UDP still captures the sending IP
L1098[20:25:51] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: true
L1099[20:25:58] <CompanionCube> but you can't reliably determine when usage starts or ends
L1100[20:26:01] <CompanionCube> because it's connectionless
L1101[20:26:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> I guess it depends on how it' captured.
L1102[20:26:17] <GreazyMcgeezy> it's
L1103[20:26:29] <CompanionCube> You can potentially make some tradeoffs though
L1104[20:26:36] <CompanionCube> e.g you could count every packet as using the service
L1105[20:26:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> Someone with decent scripting parsing could take a log file of UDP packets and put together a pretty reliable communication trail
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L1107[20:27:06] <S3_> somebody wanna send me some unicode?
L1108[20:28:19] <gamax92> ????
L1109[20:28:40] <Kimiro> Mmm. Squares.
L1110[20:28:46] * Kimiro eats them
L1111[20:29:00] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: what do you do about actually detecting the service in use
L1112[20:29:11] <CompanionCube> with any degree of accuracy
L1113[20:29:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> It's based on destination port.
L1114[20:29:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or source port depending on the direction.
L1115[20:29:58] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: so how do you determine if it's Facebook, Twitter or some weird Web API thing
L1116[20:30:44] <CompanionCube> this is a given example: 'They would include, for example, a record of the fact that a smartphone had accessed a particular social media website at a particular time'
L1117[20:30:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> That would just be done by DNS. So the source/destination IP addresses would be resolved to the FQDN
L1118[20:31:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> The best way around it is the use of a VPN tunnel.
L1119[20:31:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> That uses some type of encryption
L1120[20:31:49] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: that'd work, but with a million and one edge cases
L1121[20:32:03] <Kimiro> Mmm. Million edged swords.
L1122[20:32:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> Not sure I undertand you guys' jinx there.
L1123[20:32:42] <GreazyMcgeezy> understand* (the reference)
L1124[20:32:54] <CompanionCube> I don't either
L1125[20:33:19] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol
L1126[20:33:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> I mean, Million edged ?
L1127[20:33:38] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: another way is to create bogus records
L1128[20:33:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> Sure, but how does the other side know where to return to?
L1129[20:34:16] <CompanionCube> what i mean is
L1130[20:34:32] <CompanionCube> just write a script that accesses lots of services without actually using them
L1131[20:34:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> The biggest diff between TCP/UDP isn't the fact that a link can be traced or not, it's just does the other side need to know where it came from and does it need to have a session to continue
L1132[20:35:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> I see. But I dont think that would help in the event that say, you upload a kiddie porn pic to the internet.
L1133[20:35:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> Because that packet could still be filtered out
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L1135[20:35:40] <CompanionCube> to be fair, you're screwed anyway
L1136[20:35:47] <CompanionCube> since the other server likely has the logs :p
L1137[20:35:54] <GreazyMcgeezy> The additonal script generated packets would also exist, but it wouldn't "cover up" what you're really doing wrong
L1138[20:36:01] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: that's not the point
L1139[20:36:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, that's where a VPN would come into play
L1140[20:36:11] <CompanionCube> the point is to waste their storage space
L1141[20:36:14] <GreazyMcgeezy> I see
L1142[20:36:53] <CompanionCube> besides all of that
L1143[20:36:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, the cloud that I work on has over 2 exobytes of storage capacity over a 4 site per region redundancy.
L1144[20:37:16] <CompanionCube> Have fun implementing this system when you're dealing with millions of simultaneous clusters
L1145[20:37:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> That could be expanded quite easily with only the cost being a factor
L1146[20:37:43] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah. The project itself would be a HUGE challeng.
L1147[20:37:45] <Kimiro> Have you considered not doing illegal shit?
L1148[20:37:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> ^^^
L1149[20:37:52] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol
L1150[20:37:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> BUT
L1151[20:38:06] <Kimiro> T'was a joke BTW.
L1152[20:38:09] <CompanionCube> heh
L1153[20:38:12] * Kimiro is a pirate
L1154[20:38:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> It's not necessarily the fact of "Not doing illegal shit", to me it's more the principle of it all.
L1155[20:38:27] <GreazyMcgeezy> Just like our Patriot Act
L1156[20:38:43] <CompanionCube> Even if it wasn't, the concept of privacy still exists and iirc is protected under the ECHR
L1157[20:38:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> I don't like knowing that someone could be listening if I'm traveling and decide to have a sexy chat call with my wife.
L1158[20:39:14] <GreazyMcgeezy> And that it's legal for them to do so.
L1159[20:39:21] <Kimiro> That right there is paranoia.
L1160[20:39:32] <Kimiro> I'm actually banging your wife right now.
L1161[20:39:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not after me.
L1162[20:39:45] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha, you have sex a lot quieter than I do.
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L1164[20:40:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> And that's just a single example.
L1165[20:40:20] <Kimiro> Heh. An odd one for sure.
L1166[20:40:58] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah. The funny thing is, I've never had phone sex with her during travels, lol.
L1167[20:41:04] <CompanionCube> (also, you think anyone's going to pay for 4 exabytes of disk for these records?)
L1168[20:41:06] <GreazyMcgeezy> So no clue why that's the example I chose.
L1169[20:41:15] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh hell, you're talking about government.
L1170[20:41:31] <GreazyMcgeezy> They'll get it.
L1171[20:41:42] * Kimiro plays hide the ham with GreazyMcgeezy's wife
L1172[20:41:45] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: did you not notice the .gov tld
L1173[20:41:47] <CompanionCube> on the link
L1174[20:42:36] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, that's what Im' saying. It's the government that's doing it, so they'll get storage if they need storage.
L1175[20:43:04] <CompanionCube> iirc it's the providers that have to pay for this
L1176[20:43:15] <CompanionCube> perhaps with government help (I'm not sure on the details)
L1177[20:43:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> Oh, that sucks, lol.
L1178[20:43:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yea. I mean, while it's certainly going to be a daunting task, I don't think it's impossible.
L1179[20:43:52] <GreazyMcgeezy> I dont' like it either though.
L1180[20:44:07] <Kimiro> 4 exobytes is a weird number.
L1181[20:44:24] <CompanionCube> (isn't it exabytes?)
L1182[20:44:42] <Kimiro> (Auto cat rectal is the bane of my existence.)
L1183[20:45:12] <GreazyMcgeezy> exobytes
L1184[20:45:33] <GreazyMcgeezy> Hmm.
L1185[20:45:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> I thought it was. Pretty sure our advertisements said that. I didn't read them fully though. I'm network, not storage, lol.
L1186[20:46:01] <CompanionCube> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exabyte
L1187[20:46:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I just saw that
L1188[20:46:23] <Kimiro> But it's still a weird number. Like.
L1189[20:46:32] <Kimiro> It shows a lack of foresight.
L1190[20:46:49] <GreazyMcgeezy> In cloud storage though, it's a scalable solution.
L1191[20:46:52] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: what about yottabytes
L1192[20:47:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> So they'd gear up for a specific capacity based on preliminary testing and guesstimations.
L1193[20:47:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> Then have a model that just gets stamped out.
L1194[20:47:50] <Kimiro> CompanionCube: What about pedobytes.
L1195[20:47:56] <CompanionCube> ha
L1196[20:48:18] <CompanionCube> interestingly, because greek, zettabytes are smaller than yottabytes
L1197[20:48:25] <GreazyMcgeezy> That one I know is peta
L1198[20:48:36] <GreazyMcgeezy> But I get your reference
L1199[20:48:46] <Kimiro> People for eating tasty animals?
L1200[20:48:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> I think a pedobyte is when they've gotten old enough to have teeth.
L1201[20:49:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Lol, I see what you did there, petabyte
L1202[20:49:37] <Kimiro> My girlfriend said she thinks I'm a pedophile.
L1203[20:49:37] <GreazyMcgeezy> Funny stuff
L1204[20:49:48] <GreazyMcgeezy> Because you make her shave?
L1205[20:50:01] <Kimiro> I told her that a big word for an eight year old.
L1206[20:50:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or because you pick her up from middle school?
L1207[20:50:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> Haha
L1208[20:50:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Eight, geez, I thought you liked them young?
L1209[20:50:52] <Kimiro> Heh
L1210[20:51:15] <Kimiro> Incidentally. Ember_Primrose is my waifu.
L1211[20:51:56] <Kimiro> :3
L1212[20:52:04] <Kimiro> Mah babbyfox.
L1213[20:52:31] <Kimiro> But in all seriousness.
L1214[20:52:46] <Kimiro> Pedophiles are just fucking immature assholes.
L1215[20:53:23] <GreazyMcgeezy> If I had my way, convicted pedophiles are one of the groups that I think should be publicly executed.
L1216[20:54:11] <Kimiro> Nah. Shot in the back of the head and kicked into a canyon.
L1217[20:54:21] <Kimiro> No publicity.
L1218[20:55:44] <GreazyMcgeezy> Or have someone twice their size holding them down and doing the same thing to them daily for a month, then shooting in head and kicking in canyon.
L1219[20:56:09] <Antheus> I would make a town with a wall around it
L1220[20:56:15] <Antheus> throw all the pedophiles in it
L1221[20:56:22] <Antheus> since iirc it is a mental illness
L1222[20:56:33] <Antheus> force them to live in there until a cure is found
L1223[20:56:40] <Kimiro> Heh.
L1224[20:57:09] <Kimiro> "Now you behave Johnny, or the bad kid police will throw you into Pedotown!"
L1225[20:57:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> Mental illness is just another word for excuse in the case of pedophiles in my opinion.
L1226[20:57:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> From what I understand, it's all about power.
L1227[20:58:25] * Kimiro takes a deep breath
L1228[20:59:02] <Kimiro> Having had my own experiences with... Child predators...
L1229[20:59:25] <Kimiro> It's about the innocence.
L1230[20:59:50] <Kimiro> About twisting and controlling it.
L1231[21:00:57] <GreazyMcgeezy> That's relatable to power yeah?
L1232[21:01:08] <Kimiro> Relatable, yes.
L1233[21:01:22] <Kimiro> But it's a very distinct sub aspect.
L1234[21:01:31] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right.
L1235[21:01:54] <GreazyMcgeezy> I still dont' think that could be considered a mental illness. Just like I don't consider alcoholism/addiction a disease.
L1236[21:02:05] <GreazyMcgeezy> And Im' an alcoholic, lol.
L1237[21:03:09] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: the DSM disagrees
L1238[21:03:12] <CompanionCube> 'Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty.'
L1239[21:03:32] <Kimiro> From the two cases in my childhood, I can say there's two types at least... There's the ones who are unable to interact with adults normally in a manner that would allow them to form a stable relationship, so they turn to children which they can manipulate and control.
L1240[21:04:21] <GreazyMcgeezy> I don't trust government organizations. The FDA approves tons of drugs and chemicals that kill people but marijuana is still illegal and has never killed anyone.
L1241[21:04:45] <Antheus> the FDA isn't in charge of that
L1242[21:04:48] <Antheus> that is the DEA
L1243[21:04:54] <Kimiro> And there's the kind where children are sexualized in their mind, that independent of everything they are attracted to children.
L1244[21:05:11] <GreazyMcgeezy> I just meant the overall umbrella of Big Brother.
L1245[21:06:32] <CompanionCube> I can sort-of agree, but completely
L1246[21:07:07] <Kimiro> And from my own experiences, every pedophile on the planet should be fed a mix of drugs to promote clotting and sliced apart one millimeter every hour on a giant industrial meat slicer.
L1247[21:07:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> Agree
L1248[21:07:51] <Kimiro> Feet first.
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L1250[21:08:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> Well, drugs need to also keep awake and alert.
L1251[21:08:27] <CompanionCube> The government should not be automatically trusted, but it also goes in reverse
L1252[21:08:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> They've put themselves into that position.
L1253[21:09:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> The fact of them not being automatically trusted is a statement to our incompetence as a society to successfully elect representatives that have our best interests in mind.
L1254[21:11:01] <Kimiro> ^ This.
L1255[21:11:06] <Kimiro> So much this.
L1256[21:11:30] <Kimiro> I personally k
L1257[21:11:34] <Kimiro> ...
L1258[21:11:52] <Kimiro> I hate the position of the send key on this OSK.
L1259[21:12:27] <Kimiro> I personally feel that voting should require an test of some sort.
L1260[21:12:35] <GreazyMcgeezy> Same for parenting
L1261[21:12:38] <Kimiro> ^
L1262[21:12:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> It'll never happen
L1263[21:12:42] <Kimiro> Yes.
L1264[21:12:46] <Kimiro> Sadly.
L1265[21:12:55] <Kimiro> Maybe I should found my own nation.
L1266[21:13:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Government looks at that as not being inclusive.
L1267[21:13:18] <Antheus> why should voteing require a test
L1268[21:13:18] <Kimiro> Inclusiveness is BS.
L1269[21:13:43] <Kimiro> Antheus: So the stupid can't vote.
L1270[21:14:20] <Antheus> That's so stupid..
L1271[21:14:20] <GreazyMcgeezy> It'd be impossible to construct such a test though.
L1272[21:15:00] <GreazyMcgeezy> Right extremists would design it to exclude the Lefties and vice versa.
L1273[21:15:10] <Antheus> ^
L1274[21:15:27] <Kimiro> So I design the test.
L1275[21:15:31] <Kimiro> :P
L1276[21:16:22] <GreazyMcgeezy> Due to the wreckless abandonment of a unified nation, we've put ourselves in a position that we'll probably never get out of without another Civil War and a complete physical division of the country.
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L1278[21:16:52] <CompanionCube> Voting *should* require a test but implementing it is impossible.
L1279[21:17:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> Parenting COULD require a test.
L1280[21:17:37] <CompanionCube> Even if it was, my vision of test would be something that tests you on what you're voting for
L1281[21:18:17] <Kimiro> Heh.
L1282[21:18:40] <Kimiro> Make it an IQ test and weight the votes based on the relative score.
L1283[21:18:41] <GreazyMcgeezy> Maybe more of an agreement/contract than a test.
L1284[21:18:51] <GreazyMcgeezy> As far as parenting goes.
L1285[21:18:52] <CompanionCube> It's the most objective voting-test I can think of, and therefore the least suspectible to bias
L1286[21:19:16] <GreazyMcgeezy> You know, that's not a bad idea CompanionCube
L1287[21:19:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> Not put the candidates on the ballot.
L1288[21:19:32] <GreazyMcgeezy> Not put the parties on the ballot.
L1289[21:19:48] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: you'd have to put the parties on there
L1290[21:19:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> You vote for your stance on the major topics (minor also if you choose)
L1291[21:20:04] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: that was invented ages ago
L1292[21:20:08] <GreazyMcgeezy> And your selections would go into an algorithm
L1293[21:20:09] <CompanionCube> it's called 'direct democracy'
L1294[21:20:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> No parties.
L1295[21:20:27] <GreazyMcgeezy> On the actual ballot
L1296[21:20:34] <GreazyMcgeezy> No candidates.
L1297[21:20:40] <GreazyMcgeezy> Topics only
L1298[21:20:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> So if you feel this way about this, you vote for it.
L1299[21:20:53] <CompanionCube> GreazyMcgeezy: my idea would be questions like this
L1300[21:21:06] <CompanionCube> 'Does Party X support the following position: Y.'
L1301[21:21:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> The selected options of the ballot would be calculated together and based on the candidate/party that you side with on the highest percentage would be who you vote for.
L1302[21:21:48] <Kimiro> Yeah, but then you have to be concerned about wording bias and question order.
L1303[21:21:54] <GreazyMcgeezy> Nope
L1304[21:21:56] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: like I said
L1305[21:22:01] <CompanionCube> actually making a test is impossible
L1306[21:22:07] <GreazyMcgeezy> Just the Topics and a stance.
L1307[21:22:08] <CompanionCube> but this is what'd I if one could be made
L1308[21:22:39] <GreazyMcgeezy> Much like https://www.isidewith.com/
L1309[21:22:49] <Kimiro> CompanionCube: Simple IQ test. Weight the votes between 0.01 and 10.0 based on the relative score.
L1310[21:22:58] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: IQ is a flawed metric.
L1311[21:23:13] <GreazyMcgeezy> This website, asks you your stance on ALL the major topics with the ability to dive deeper into them.
L1312[21:23:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> CompanionCube: Agreed
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L1314[21:23:59] <GreazyMcgeezy> Once you've picked how you feel about the topics, it tells you who you actually side with out of the current candidates and the percentage of the match.
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L1316[21:24:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> But as you're going through it, you have no knowledge of what candidate/party represents what stance.
L1317[21:24:28] <GreazyMcgeezy> Unless you actually follow politics.
L1318[21:24:56] <GreazyMcgeezy> So to the completely uneducated voter, this would allow them to vote on how they feel about the things they care about only.
L1319[21:25:30] <GreazyMcgeezy> And if someone wants to vote for a particular candidate, then they just have to pick the things they know that candidate supports
L1320[21:27:39] <Kimiro> Problem.
L1321[21:27:45] <Kimiro> Hillary Clinton.
L1322[21:27:55] <GreazyMcgeezy> Obviously
L1323[21:28:00] <Kimiro> Lol
L1324[21:29:06] <Kimiro> Also. It could be easily rigged.
L1325[21:29:34] <Kimiro> Suppose a candidate "supported" all positions?
L1326[21:30:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Yeah, I'm not saying there wouldn't be obstacles/challenges, lol.
L1327[21:30:07] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: presumably the people setting up the positions aren't idiots
L1328[21:30:18] <GreazyMcgeezy> ^^ exactly
L1329[21:30:21] <Kimiro> Dangerous assumption.
L1330[21:30:42] <CompanionCube> It doesn't take a genius to know that you can't support contradictory positions
L1331[21:30:54] <GreazyMcgeezy> But, with the way the current votes are tallied, there's still room for error.
L1332[21:31:02] <GreazyMcgeezy> Without proper identification, dead people vote.
L1333[21:31:23] <GreazyMcgeezy> And somehow that's okay, and people are okay with people voting without proper identification.
L1334[21:31:27] <GreazyMcgeezy> I dont' get it.
L1335[21:31:44] <Kimiro> Also, just a point here: Why does the American electoral process take so damn long?
L1336[21:31:56] <Kimiro> In Canada we do it in a day.
L1337[21:32:04] <GreazyMcgeezy> Because just like everyting else in our government, it's broken all to shit.
L1338[21:32:47] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'll be back in a few. Going to taco bell. Have the urge to deal with mud butt tonight.
L1339[21:33:15] <Kimiro> Am I the only person who doesn't get the shits from Tack Bell?
L1340[21:33:31] <GreazyMcgeezy> It depends on what I get.
L1341[21:34:00] <GreazyMcgeezy> And I'm going for the Cheesy Gordita Crunch. Can almost guarantee explosive outbursts.
L1342[21:34:09] <GreazyMcgeezy> bbiab
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L1345[21:35:29] <CompanionCube> so despite not living in the US
L1346[21:35:37] <CompanionCube> I just took the test
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L1348[21:36:08] <CompanionCube> 97% hillary clinton. I smell BS.
L1349[21:36:22] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: is this what you were referring to
L1350[21:37:36] <Antheus> Kimiro, the length makes sense when you think of the time period it was created
L1351[21:38:02] <Antheus> Candidates campaign for a while, then the general election happens in November
L1352[21:38:29] <Antheus> Then, the states send their Senators and Representatives to the Electoral College in December
L1353[21:38:40] <Antheus> New president is innagurated in January
L1354[21:39:18] <Antheus> Makes sense when you can't just book a flight in a few minutes or mass process votes and have the results delivered quickly
L1355[21:39:55] <Kimiro> We do in Canada. o.o
L1356[21:40:01] <Kimiro> Seriously. One day.
L1357[21:41:40] <CompanionCube> LOL
L1358[21:41:45] <CompanionCube> in the UK quiz: 'Should the government raise the federal minimum wage? '
L1359[21:41:47] <CompanionCube> >federal
L1360[21:41:48] <CompanionCube> >UK
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L1363[21:44:39] * Kimiro raises CompanionCube's taxes
L1364[21:44:58] <CompanionCube> Kimiro: maybe that will stop any shitty budget cuts
L1365[21:45:31] <Kimiro> Nope.
L1366[21:45:57] <CompanionCube> what's it going to thyen
L1367[21:46:23] <Kimiro> My pocket.
L1368[21:46:47] <CompanionCube> isn't that just being a thief
L1369[21:47:05] <Kimiro> Nope. :3
L1370[21:47:15] <Kimiro> It's called embezzlement.
L1371[21:47:30] <CompanionCube> but you don't work for the government
L1372[21:47:51] <Kimiro> You don't know that.
L1373[21:48:23] <CompanionCube> Odds are good you don't and you haven't measured otherwise
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L1380[21:57:58] <CompanionCube> 'Yes, Canada currently has too many immigrants' >is UK quiz
L1381[21:58:05] * CompanionCube is answering all the questions he can
L1382[21:58:37] <Kimiro> Lul
L1383[21:58:45] <Kimiro> Though honestly... We kinda do.
L1384[22:01:34] <CompanionCube> >'side 38% with labour' >sees no liberal democrats in the list. Either what I think about myself is wrong or this is missing a party
L1385[22:02:15] <Kimiro> I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of immigration as a concept. But there's a certain level of monochromaticness happening.
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L1391[22:46:29] <GreazyMcgeezy> "CompanionCube> 97% hillary clinton. I smell BS"
L1392[22:46:36] * GreazyMcgeezy Glad CompanionCube is Canadian
L1393[22:47:53] <GreazyMcgeezy> I'd have given the same statement had you ended up with Trump also, lol. However at least he does have the NRA endorsement
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