OCLogs: 2016-08-25.log

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L3[00:11:55] <GreaseMonkey> there's only a few more cache instructions to go and then it ultimately boils down to bugfixing

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L6[00:54:02] <GreaseMonkey> wew, that was a silly bug

L7[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> on MIPS3 there are 3 permission levels: kernel, supervisor, and user

L8[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> oh good i *did* fix it

L9[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> there is a 2-bit field which indicates which of these 3 levels are applicable, but there's also a couple of 1-bit fields where if any of them are set, the CPU is in kernel mode instead of the mode given in the permission field

L10[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> in order to make this not so tedious to track i have a couple of boolean fields - kernelMode, superMode - which indicate if you have *at least* that level of permission

L11[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> in order to ensure these are up to date, when i update the register that has these fields i call a function

L12[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> for some reason though, after i did a syscall, i was no longer in user mode

L13[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> it turns out that the "return from exception" function wasn't calling that function

L14[00:54:03] <GreaseMonkey> erm, the "return from exception" opcode (ERET)

L15[00:57:57] <gamax92> Exception Reading Error Callback Table

L16[00:58:37] <GreaseMonkey> i believe that usually ends up calling the Cache Error address

L17[00:59:52] <Saphire> GreaseMonkey: uh

L18[00:59:59] <Saphire> OC-linux when? :D

L19[01:07:54] <GreaseMonkey> it'd have to be someone else

L20[01:08:15] <GreaseMonkey> oh yeah, i wonder how hard i would get slapped if i wrote a Z80 emu for the MIPS3 core

L21[01:08:20] <GreaseMonkey> or ported one

L22[01:08:29] <GreaseMonkey> or wrote a JVM and used the circuity one

L23[01:08:39] <GreaseMonkey> Z80 on JVM on MIPS3 on JVM

L24[01:08:59] <gamax92> *Casually just writes a JVM*

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L26[01:16:55] <GreaseMonkey> oh yeah, fun thing, it took me a while but i think i've found out why VIPT caches are tricky to manage in software

L27[01:16:55] <GreaseMonkey> (virtual-index, physical-tag)

L28[01:16:55] <GreaseMonkey> suppose you have 0x02000 and 0x04000 mapped to physical address 0x10000

L29[01:16:55] <GreaseMonkey> also suppose you have a 16KB data cache

L30[01:16:55] <GreaseMonkey> and 32-byte cache lines

L31[01:16:56] <GreaseMonkey> now let's say you were to read 0x02000 and 0x04000, these will end up in the cache at 0x2000 and 0x0000 respectively

L32[01:17:34] <GreaseMonkey> suppose you then wrote a 32-bit word to 0x02000, and a 32-bit word to 0x04004

L33[01:17:43] <GreaseMonkey> i am assuming you are using a writeback cache and not a writethrough one, the latter will have its own issues

L34[01:18:32] <GreaseMonkey> the first thing you will notice is that the write to 0x4004 will not show up at 0x2004, and the same way around - that 0x2000 does not show up the same at 0x4000

L35[01:18:56] <GreaseMonkey> but the fun part: the writes are on the same cache line. when one gets evicted, a whole cache line is written to memory

L36[01:21:14] <GreaseMonkey> but the other cache line doesn't get updated

L37[01:21:14] <GreaseMonkey> and when THAT gets evicted, yep, another whole cache line is written

L38[01:21:14] <GreaseMonkey> so memory will at one point see the version with 0x10000 written, and at another point will see the version with 0x10004 written

L39[01:21:14] <GreaseMonkey> but it will not see both written at the same time

L40[01:21:16] <GreaseMonkey> now, if you were to map it to 0x2000 and 0x6000 on the other hand... these are a multiple of 16KB away, so they *will* use the same cache line.

L41[01:33:02] <GreaseMonkey> on an easier-to-understand note, we are now up to 2600 lines

L42[01:35:07] <GreaseMonkey> aside from bugfixes, all that needs doing now: floating-point unit, unaligned loads/stores, LL/SC, *maybe* SYNC

L43[01:35:07] <GreaseMonkey> SYNC is implemented as a no-op

L44[01:36:12] <GreaseMonkey> the FPU is going to be a lot of work but other than that there's hardly anything left to do

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L718[03:14:30] <GreaseMonkey> but 2x the res in each direction is 4x the pixels, thus 4x the effort

L719[03:14:45] <GreaseMonkey> and 1/5 of the fun

L720[03:15:01] <GreaseMonkey> i love the Z though

L721[03:15:05] <Forecaster> peeexelz

L722[03:15:21] <Forecaster> I don't even know what it's for :P

L723[03:15:29] <GreaseMonkey> minecraft blocks

L724[03:15:37] <GreaseMonkey> even if the aesthetic needs to be changed i'm going to fight tooth and nail to have the Z on at least SOMETHING

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L726[03:17:05] <GreaseMonkey> also now that i have a better look at it, the V-shaped IC actually works

L727[03:18:21] <Izaya> A RISC-V emulator would be cool

L728[03:20:02] <GreaseMonkey> Izaya: want to do the honours?

L729[03:20:02] <Izaya> I don't know Java or Scala

L730[03:20:02] <Izaya> I know how to work qemu though

L731[03:20:10] <GreaseMonkey> https://i.imgur.com/gXEAxcG.png

L732[03:20:16] <GreaseMonkey> aww... do you know C?

L733[03:20:34] <Izaya> Pre-K&R C

L734[03:20:49] <GreaseMonkey> actually, what langs *do* you know?

L735[03:20:59] <Izaya> Last time I checked MC didn't run on a PDP-11

L736[03:21:38] <Izaya> Lua, FORTH, 6502 asm, Python 3, some Rust

L737[03:21:38] <GreaseMonkey> ok, step 1: learn a bit of java; step 2: write a PDP-11 emu

L738[03:21:38] <Izaya> a bit of ANCIENT C but

L739[03:21:40] <Izaya> mmh

L740[03:21:42] <GreaseMonkey> or a 6502 emu perhaps

L741[03:21:55] <Izaya> there's a 6502 emu already

L742[03:22:02] <Izaya> I also have played a fair bit with Lisp

L743[03:22:02] <GreaseMonkey> for circuity, or just java?

L744[03:22:17] <Izaya> doesn't mean I can use it well but...

L745[03:22:19] <Izaya> just java

L746[03:22:39] <GreaseMonkey> actually it should really only be a matter of gluing it in nicely and ensuring the damn thing uses cycle-based timing

L747[03:22:41] <Izaya> what is this circuitry of which you speak?

L748[03:23:06] <GreaseMonkey> it's the thing S****r is working on

L749[03:23:13] <Izaya> oh

L750[03:23:14] <Izaya> ok

L751[03:23:17] <Izaya> TIL

L752[03:23:30] <GreaseMonkey> i just happen to be working on a MIPS3 CPU for it

L753[03:23:39] <Izaya> tbh I don't do much Minecraft any more

L754[03:23:46] <Izaya> BTM was the last time I played

L755[03:24:08] <GreaseMonkey> but basically it fills a void between OC and TIS-3D

L756[03:24:25] <GreaseMonkey> apparently asie had a huge hand in the design process

L757[03:24:48] <Izaya> Snagar AND asie?

L758[03:24:52] <MalkContent> can you create daemons for drones?

L759[03:25:04] <Izaya> MalkContent: whatd'ya mean?

L760[03:25:23] <MalkContent> im wondering how i could make one respond to network messages without having it stop doing anything else but waiting for message

L761[03:25:33] <Izaya> uh

L762[03:25:38] <Izaya> sort of(TM)

L763[03:25:41] <Izaya> ™

L764[03:26:05] <Izaya> you'll need some form of event system beyond computer.pullSignal()

L765[03:26:30] <GreaseMonkey> i also suspect it's partly my fault this mod was even considered

L766[03:26:39] <Izaya> https://lain.shadowkat.net/projects/multice/ or this

L767[03:26:47] <GreaseMonkey> basically, OC is a shit of a thing to make a traditional CPU for

L768[03:26:56] <Izaya> </shameless plug>

L769[03:27:29] <GreaseMonkey> whereas so far circuity is... well, pretty easy to get your CPU working

L770[03:27:57] <GreaseMonkey> i'm curious as to whether it will ever need a data bus wider than 8 bits

L771[03:28:55] <GreaseMonkey> main reason for supporting a higher width is performance really

L772[03:30:56] <MalkContent> thx

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L779[03:43:30] <Forecaster> "Chaotic Union of Tyrannical Empires"

L780[03:43:38] <Forecaster> C.U.T.E.

L781[03:43:43] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mLIhBmStPA&feature=youtu.be

L782[03:43:44] <MichiBot> Starmade: Designing for Evil [Episode 1] | length: 4m 22s | Likes: 43 Dislikes: 2 Views: 524 | by Xacktar

L783[03:48:07] <MalkContent> its confusing that they muted the evil heavy metal music in the background

L784[03:48:11] <MalkContent> and he still keeps headbanging

L785[03:50:38] <MalkContent> that is actually a very insightful video

L786[03:50:44] <MalkContent> *takes notes*

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L802[04:23:43] <MalkContent> im looking at the experience upgrade code

L803[04:24:06] <MalkContent> when you .consume() and it fails, it returns "Unit" which appears to be always nil

L804[04:24:38] <MalkContent> "Unit" a thing in other parts of the code?

L805[04:41:43] <Forecaster> what does consume do?

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L807[04:43:17] <Mettaton_Fab> does anybody know this Irc server for use with monochrome?

L808[04:43:27] <Forecaster> what?

L809[04:44:10] <Mettaton_Fab> i have the irc client monochrome for windows, and i don't know how to connect it to this irc here.

L810[04:44:31] <snowden89> monochrome

L811[04:44:38] <snowden89> is it also monochrome in colour?

L812[04:44:51] <snowden89> irc.espernet.net?

L813[04:45:04] <Forecaster> not espernet.net

L814[04:45:07] <Forecaster> esper.net

L815[04:45:13] <snowden89> yes that..

L816[04:45:23] <snowden89> sorry alias used it dumb...

L817[04:45:32] <snowden89> i must have been asleep when i setup that

L818[04:45:39] <snowden89> .. espernet.net

L819[04:45:55] <snowden89> irc/espernet.net <

L820[04:46:04] <snowden89> lol.

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L822[04:46:11] <Forecaster> Mettaton_Fab: server > Connect

L823[04:46:19] <Forecaster> Host name irc.esper.net

L824[04:46:34] <Forecaster> then fill out your nick and such

L825[04:46:46] <snowden89> and register

L826[04:47:19] <snowden89> /msg nickserv register hunter2 email@richman.com

L827[04:47:22] <snowden89> etc

L828[04:47:41] <MalkContent> Forecaster: consumes enchanted items in current slot to gain xp

L829[04:47:50] <Mettaton_Fab> there is a handshake problem while connecting.

L830[04:48:04] <Forecaster> MalkContent: "unit" is probably the amount of xp gained then

L831[04:48:23] <Forecaster> Mettaton_Fab: specific error please

L832[04:48:37] <Mettaton_Fab> unexpedted packet stuff.

L833[04:48:50] <MalkContent> unit is only returned when nothing is consumed

L834[04:48:54] <MalkContent> also i dont see it set

L835[04:49:01] <MalkContent> but i barely ever touched scala

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L837[04:49:06] <Mettaton_Fab> unexpected packet format.

L838[04:49:14] <MalkContent> so idk

L839[04:49:25] <MalkContent> imo looks like it should return false

L840[04:49:26] <Forecastron> Hai

L841[04:49:31] <Forecastron> this is a message from monochrome

L842[04:49:37] <snowden89> well.

L843[04:49:39] <Forecastron> cabbages

L844[04:49:45] <Mettaton_Fab> how do you do it?

L845[04:49:53] <Forecaster> the way I described

L846[04:50:06] <Forecaster> make sure to allow it through your firewall and such

L847[04:50:09] <snowden89> what are you typing for packet errors?

L848[04:50:23] <snowden89> do you use a european keyboard

L849[04:50:25] <snowden89> accents?

L850[04:50:31] <snowden89> oh and firewalls

L851[04:50:33] <Forecaster> MalkContent: lua functions return nil on failure, not false

L852[04:50:41] <snowden89> norton sometimes does not like IRC

L853[04:50:43] <Forecaster> it's standard

L854[04:50:48] <snowden89> cause everyone on IRC is hackers

L855[04:50:50] <snowden89> ?

L856[04:50:51] <Mettaton_Fab> firewall it must be.

L857[04:50:59] <Mettaton_Fab> because McAffee.

L858[04:51:07] <MalkContent> even when success returns true?

L859[04:51:19] <Forecaster> maybe

L860[04:51:45] <Forecaster> at least when the return is supposed to be a value, like a number

L861[04:51:57] <MalkContent> well then obviously

L862[04:52:28] <MalkContent> okay maybe not obviously

L863[04:52:59] <MalkContent> haaahaha

L864[04:53:17] <MalkContent> oc's endstone's 3rd person model

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L866[04:53:50] <Forecaster> isn't it beautiful?

L867[04:54:29] <Mettaton_Fab> forecaster, how do i set it up correctly?

L868[04:54:30] <MalkContent> mhm

L869[04:54:42] <MalkContent> took me off guard

L870[04:54:51] <Forecaster> Mettaton_Fab: like I said before

L871[04:55:29] <Mettaton_Fab> i dont quite get it here. so, registering and stuff like that. how do i register?

L872[04:55:59] <Forecaster> you can do that after connecting

L873[04:56:56] <Forecaster> MalkContent: in-game right now the consume method says it returns a boolean

L874[04:57:07] <Forecaster> so it should return true on success and false on failure

L875[04:57:43] <MalkContent> then i consider that a bug \o/ found one

L876[04:57:59] <MalkContent> there's also some opengl stuff not right with drones

L877[04:58:32] <MalkContent> gonna look at that after this coffee

L878[04:58:46] <Forecaster> Mettaton_Fab: show me the connect window, with the details entered in

L879[04:59:29] <Mettaton_Fab> if i had a screenshot of your (with no pesonal shit) i would know what i do wrong.

L880[05:00:14] <Mettaton_Fab> i had to turn off ssl.

L881[05:00:32] <Mettaton_Fab> finally. it works.

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L883[05:00:38] <Forecaster> that was off by default

L884[05:00:38] <snowden89> lol

L885[05:00:47] <snowden89> so you turned something on

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L887[05:00:58] <Forecaster> ssl was off by default

L888[05:00:59] <snowden89> welcome de

L889[05:01:08] <Mettaton_Fab> finally.

L890[05:01:55] <Forecaster> never turn something on unless you know what it is or if all else fails

L891[05:02:04] <Forecaster> or if you're willing to experiment

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L897[05:04:17] <Forecaster> now registering is something you do with nickserv which is a service that some irc networks have

L898[05:04:26] <Forecaster> it lets you protect your name so nobody else can use it

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L900[05:04:40] <Forecaster> to do that you'll want to do /msg nickserv help

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L902[05:06:25] <Mettaton_Fab> and now?

L903[05:06:45] <Forecaster> it'll send you some info and a list of commands

L904[05:07:12] <Mettaton_Fab> it did.

L905[05:07:39] <Forecaster> then follow those instructions

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L907[05:10:24] <Forecaster> Inari: seen the StarCitizen gamescom presentation?

L908[05:10:44] <Mettaton_Fab> did it.

L909[05:11:00] <Forecaster> great

L910[05:13:03] <Forecaster> so now if someone tries to change to your nick while you're offline they'll be asked to identify with nickserv

L911[05:13:14] <Forecaster> if they can't they'll be forced to change to Guestsomething

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L915[05:24:49] <MalkContent> hmm

L916[05:24:58] <Inari> Forecaster: dont think so?

L917[05:25:07] <MalkContent> im trying to find the piece of code that gives geolyzer.scan it's fuzziness

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L919[05:25:24] <MalkContent> failing tho

L920[05:25:38] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-3YBuFI3iI

L921[05:25:38] <MichiBot> Star Citizen: Full Gamescom 2016 Presentation | length: 1h, 35m 25s | Likes: 5497 Dislikes: 97 Views: 276311 | by StarCitizen

L922[05:25:41] <Forecaster> it's pretty fancy

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L924[05:27:11] <Forecaster> they start a live demo at about 35m

L925[05:27:27] <Inari> i saw someone taking off the other day, that was funny

L926[05:27:30] <MalkContent> he said and found it

L927[05:27:30] <Forecaster> that's the interesting bit

L928[05:27:45] <MalkContent> o neato. i zoned out for most of star citizen

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L930[05:28:02] <MalkContent> because i wanted to see it as a finished product

L931[05:28:24] <MalkContent> milestones are always nice though

L932[05:28:50] <Mettaton_Fab> i always disconnect here because Telekom.

L933[05:29:32] <Mettaton_Fab> which is the worst service provider in the USA?

L934[05:30:04] <Forecaster> I wouldn't know, I don't live there

L935[05:31:13] <Inari> MalkContent: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/399e0f44e6e6088a8b95f011011d817cbec45177/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/integration/vanilla/EventHandlerVanilla.scala#L25-L50 ?

L936[05:31:18] <snowden89> anything called telekom

L937[05:31:24] <snowden89> is going tobe bad

L938[05:31:37] <snowden89> it can not even spell communication

L939[05:31:38] <snowden89> ...

L940[05:31:44] <snowden89> kommunication...

L941[05:31:45] <Inari> espcially germany's T-Offline

L942[05:31:48] <Mettaton_Fab> ok. that really is true.

L943[05:31:59] <Mettaton_Fab> Inari, i like that joke.

L944[05:32:10] <Inari> :p

L945[05:32:14] <Inari> well its not as bad as i make it i guess

L946[05:32:16] <Inari> just uh slow

L947[05:32:22] <snowden89> come to australia

L948[05:32:24] <snowden89> :P

L949[05:32:28] <Inari> :P

L950[05:32:47] <Inari> Forecaster: sadly star citizen will likely not have all I want :P but it will likeyl be nice

L951[05:32:48] <Mettaton_Fab> i have t-online, and i disconnect regulary.

L952[05:32:55] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: hehe

L953[05:33:38] <Mettaton_Fab> australia? why? worse or better connection?

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L955[05:33:54] <Inari> australian internet is pretty terrible as far as i know

L956[05:34:22] <Miyoyo> "BUT THEY CAN AFFROD IT" -Every greedy CEO

L957[05:34:32] <Inari> Forecaster: "Gutten Abend" :P heh

L958[05:34:40] <Mettaton_Fab> greek internet is worse. you can't even write emails there.

L959[05:34:50] <Miyoyo> Wait what

L960[05:35:00] <Inari> Miyoyo: also,w hy is OC dead?

L961[05:35:09] <Miyoyo> OC is dead?

L962[05:35:15] <nxsupert> ^^

L963[05:35:17] <Inari> you said so

L964[05:35:21] <Miyoyo> Wait what?

L965[05:35:28] * vifino groans and snuggles Lizzy

L966[05:35:30] <Miyoyo> You mean last night?

L967[05:35:32] <Inari> ya

L968[05:35:41] <Miyoyo> I was imagining a possible scenario in the future

L969[05:35:46] <Mettaton_Fab> i have a pentium 4 with a 700W PSU anybody in need of one?

L970[05:35:46] <Miyoyo> Where OC is really dead

L971[05:35:51] <Miyoyo> CC is still dead

L972[05:35:53] <Inari> oh

L973[05:35:54] <Inari> :P

L974[05:35:59] <Miyoyo> and Circuity is everything that's left

L975[05:36:02] <Inari> Circuity should be the new OC anyway

L976[05:36:03] <Miyoyo> #LoneModderer

L977[05:36:07] * nxsupert separates vifino and Lizzy

L978[05:36:17] <MalkContent> the hell is circuity

L979[05:36:25] <Miyoyo> What they want to be #OC2

L980[05:36:40] <Izaya> Mettaton_Fab: does it have any PCI-e power connectors?

L981[05:37:02] <Mettaton_Fab> you mean, like 6-pin?

L982[05:37:06] <Izaya> yeah

L983[05:37:07] <Inari> MalkContent: a new mod that is more low-levle :P

L984[05:37:08] <Mettaton_Fab> yes, it does.

L985[05:37:12] <Inari> memory-mapped cpu simulatioan nd such kinda stuff

L986[05:37:17] <Inari> currently supports Z80 i think

L987[05:37:17] <Izaya> how many?

L988[05:37:22] <Inari> but very unfinsihed

L989[05:37:28] <Mettaton_Fab> like, 2 of them.

L990[05:37:31] <Izaya> oh

L991[05:37:34] <Izaya> I need 4

L992[05:37:51] <MalkContent> hm

L993[05:37:53] <Mettaton_Fab> is from an old Fujitsu-Siemens Dual Xeon Workstation .

L994[05:37:54] <nxsupert> To be honest. I'm more interested in Super Circuit Maker right now.

L995[05:38:04] <Skye> I want a 486 VIP motherboard

L996[05:38:11] <Miyoyo> Inari: This still doesn't change the fact that my calculator is currently more performant than the emulated CPUs and that It's effectively a VM in a VM (in a VM if you use Lua)

L997[05:38:47] <MalkContent> cpu simulation, what for?

L998[05:38:49] <Inari> Miyoyo: well your calcualtor is a dedicated mcu likely

L999[05:38:50] <Inari> so, sure?

L1000[05:38:54] <Mettaton_Fab> what? a VM in a VMß that is... VMCeption.

L1001[05:39:07] <Miyoyo> Inari: My calculator has a Renesas SuperH-4V at 30Mhz

L1002[05:39:19] <MalkContent> like a true vm inside minecraft or what?

L1003[05:39:25] <Mettaton_Fab> 486 PC's? they are good stuff to run old DOS games.

L1004[05:39:26] <Inari> MC computers arent supposed to do heavy computation i dont think

L1005[05:39:41] <Izaya> interactive use and industrial control

L1006[05:39:51] <Miyoyo> Inari: Why bother having ram, busses and everything in between

L1007[05:39:52] <nxsupert> Uhh. What are we talking about?

L1008[05:39:53] <Inari> the most use case for OC computers would be to regualte systems and such

L1009[05:40:04] <Miyoyo> if we need to use something as fast as a fucking AVR

L1010[05:40:12] <Inari> Miyoyo: because... you can have an element of balance and can compile fro it?

L1011[05:40:33] <Mettaton_Fab> i ordered some protoboard last week. when i have it i can build an Amp.

L1012[05:40:45] <Miyoyo> Why not just use an external program that outputs to localhost:someport and read it from a minecraft mod?

L1013[05:40:50] * Inari builds an Ampere

L1014[05:40:53] <Miyoyo> More efficient and faster

L1015[05:41:11] <Inari> Miyoyo: why not just not play minecraft and code a program that outputs to a console?

L1016[05:41:19] <Miyoyo> Exactly

L1017[05:41:24] <Inari> ¬_¬

L1018[05:41:31] <Miyoyo> What, that's my point

L1019[05:41:43] * Mettaton_Fab writes Amplifier on Inari's box

L1020[05:41:43] <Inari> Miyoyo: at this rate the arugment becomes "Computers in MC are useless and should not be a thing"

L1021[05:41:53] <Miyoyo> Inari: Computers in minecraft can be useful

L1022[05:41:54] <Izaya> Miyoyo: how much RAM does your calculator have?

L1023[05:42:05] <Inari> Miyoyo: and dunno, its not very nice to disconnect it from the gameworld that much

L1024[05:42:15] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: lewd!

L1025[05:42:17] <Miyoyo> 64k of ram with 4.5m of storage

L1026[05:42:20] <Inari> hmmm

L1027[05:42:23] <Mettaton_Fab> calculators have around 4k of ram

L1028[05:42:24] <Izaya> oh

L1029[05:42:26] <Izaya> boring

L1030[05:42:26] * Inari draws up a schematic for a lewdness amplifier

L1031[05:42:28] <nxsupert> Calculatirs?

L1032[05:42:33] <Izaya> if that was more like 64M of RAM it could run Linux

L1033[05:42:36] <Miyoyo> Casio 35+

L1034[05:43:39] <Mettaton_Fab> any information on the Casio fx 991DE Plus?

L1035[05:43:48] <Izaya> http://j-core.org/index.html

L1036[05:44:01] * vifino stabs nxsupert over and over and over and over

L1037[05:44:15] <Miyoyo> The DE plus looks like a german exclusive :3

L1038[05:44:22] * nxsupert took no damage. He had the triforce of power.

L1039[05:44:30] <Inari> sherman enjineering

L1040[05:44:38] <Miyoyo> Mettaton_Fab your calc is a basic calc

L1041[05:44:46] <Miyoyo> Not a programmable one like the 35+

L1042[05:44:51] <Inari> Miyoyo: what time is it?

L1043[05:45:12] <Miyoyo> In belgium it's 12:45 at GMT+2

L1044[05:45:18] <Mettaton_Fab> its bacon time.

L1045[05:45:31] <Miyoyo> Why Inari?

L1046[05:46:01] <Mettaton_Fab> its 12:46 in germany.

L1047[05:46:19] <Miyoyo> GMT+2 ftw

L1048[05:47:19] <Inari> Miyoyo: time to unpimp se auto

L1049[05:47:24] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I0WfnhVs2s

L1050[05:47:24] <MichiBot> Volkswagen: Un-pimp Your Ride III | length: 31s | Likes: 3134 Dislikes: 218 Views: 3078031 | by leftlanenews

L1051[05:47:51] <Miyoyo> TIME TO UNPIMP ZE AUTO JA

L1052[05:47:57] <Miyoyo> UN SHNASP

L1053[05:48:14] <Inari> that video quality though

L1054[05:48:15] <Inari> :<

L1055[05:48:20] <Miyoyo> My face when there are no belgian stereotypes in america :D

L1056[05:48:38] <Miyoyo> Because americans mostly don't know belgium except for molenbeek

L1057[05:48:59] <Inari> molenbeek?

L1058[05:49:07] <Miyoyo> Tell me inari

L1059[05:49:07] <MalkContent> heh. the water bottle from the star citizen video :D

L1060[05:49:13] <Miyoyo> Where are you in the world

L1061[05:49:31] <Inari> Miyoyo: karlsland

L1062[05:49:39] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv157ZIInUk i think thats my favourite though :P

L1063[05:49:39] <MichiBot> Volkswagen: Un-pimp Your Ride I | length: 32s | Likes: 5726 Dislikes: 986 Views: 5325914 | by leftlanenews

L1064[05:50:25] <Miyoyo> Well, in belgium there are "Ghettos"

L1065[05:50:36] <Miyoyo> And one of these "Ghettos" is a muslim one

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L1067[05:50:44] <Inari> i just read "Gilettos"

L1068[05:50:51] <Miyoyo> And there were terrorists there

L1069[05:51:04] <Miyoyo> So when there was the Paris attacks

L1070[05:51:12] <Miyoyo> the terrorists had a base in Molenbeek

L1071[05:51:13] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: muskatnuss?

L1072[05:51:22] <Inari> Miyoyo: ah

L1073[05:51:23] <Miyoyo> (Even if it's fucking 450Kms

L1074[05:51:30] <Miyoyo> They're dumb AF)

L1075[05:51:32] <Mettaton_Fab> Muskatnuss? why?

L1076[05:51:33] <Inari> km/s?

L1077[05:51:44] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: muskatnuss, herr müller

L1078[05:52:15] <Mettaton_Fab> yes, this is german.

L1079[05:52:20] <Miyoyo> Kilometers

L1080[05:52:20] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4T1KarVe9E

L1081[05:52:21] <MichiBot> Herr Müller at the Restaurant | length: 1m 48s | Likes: 852 Dislikes: 17 Views: 226610 | by PS3solafides

L1082[05:52:31] <Miyoyo> Yeah I suck at writing i know

L1083[05:53:09] <Miyoyo> Oh hey a french movie

L1084[05:53:49] <Inari> i recall this scene everytime i hear muskatnuss :D

L1085[05:54:02] <Miyoyo> The worst thing

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L1087[05:54:09] <Miyoyo> is that I don't understand everything in german

L1088[05:54:15] <Miyoyo> but I do understand the french part

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L1091[05:54:26] <Mettaton_Fab> now, something in the german language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CftIoXaByuU

L1092[05:54:27] <MichiBot> Die gefährlichste Spielzeugwaffe Deutschlands (FXAirguns Verminator Mk2 D) | length: 9m 55s | Likes: 10102 Dislikes: 455 Views: 588689 | by JoergSprave

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L1094[05:54:40] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: the important part for that was in german btw

L1095[05:54:41] <Inari> :P

L1096[05:55:17] <Mettaton_Fab> i know. but why do we talk about german stuff here?

L1097[05:55:32] <Inari> becaue thres many germans here

L1098[05:55:41] <Inari> also

L1099[05:55:44] <Inari> all hail retia adolf :p

L1100[05:56:01] <Mettaton_Fab> or, do you know about Jörg Spräve?

L1101[05:56:09] <Inari> never heard tha tname

L1102[05:56:29] <Mettaton_Fab> German guy doing stuff with slingshots.

L1103[05:56:36] <Mettaton_Fab> crazy stuff.

L1104[05:56:55] <Inari> hehe, might have to lok taht up~ in terms of crazy, heard of electroboom?

L1105[05:57:02] <Inari> not german

L1106[05:57:03] <Inari> but still

L1107[05:58:02] <Miyoyo> Yeah in french it's just "Dear friend, i want to present you the commendador [italian name] and his friend Muller" "You know that's a professional secret? Alright" [German Words] "Your coat sir" "You leave in the middle of lunch?" "Yeah, yeah I need to..." "Oh you're hiding something, I'll need to investigate" "I'm off to see my poor ol mom she's 90 and sleeps like this"

L1108[05:58:08] <Miyoyo> Boom shitty closed captions

L1109[05:58:39] <Mettaton_Fab> yes. he technically is dead.

L1110[05:58:55] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: im actually surprsied he isnt yet

L1111[05:58:55] <Inari> xD

L1112[05:59:23] <Mettaton_Fab> anybody having an IRobot Roomba?

L1113[05:59:36] <Mettaton_Fab> these things are loud.

L1114[05:59:53] <Mettaton_Fab> can't climb higher than 1.9mm

L1115[06:00:07] <Mettaton_Fab> oops, 1.9cm

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L1117[06:00:19] <Miyoyo> My house is so old there are nazi markings in some stones

L1118[06:00:27] <Miyoyo> I won't make a roomba suffer here

L1119[06:00:51] <Mettaton_Fab> Nazi Markings? how do they look?

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L1121[06:02:38] <Miyoyo> Uh

L1122[06:02:58] <Miyoyo> Shit I don't have a camera and my phone is dead

L1123[06:03:04] <Miyoyo> Wait

L1124[06:03:51] <Miyoyo> Nope phone is still not working

L1125[06:05:22] <Mettaton_Fab> is it a swastika?

L1126[06:05:29] <Mettaton_Fab> or many of them?

L1127[06:05:36] <Miyoyo> One Swastika I think

L1128[06:05:41] <Miyoyo> Wait I have an idea

L1129[06:05:47] <Miyoyo> brb

L1130[06:05:53] <Mettaton_Fab> that will be ww2

L1131[06:06:02] * Lizzy snuggles vifino

L1132[06:06:22] * Mettaton_Fab divides Lizzy and vifino

L1133[06:06:33] * vifino stabs Mettaton_Fab

L1134[06:06:47] * Lizzy is indevisable

L1135[06:06:51] * Mettaton_Fab to be continueds

L1136[06:07:23] <Lizzy> In other news, my flight controllers got delivered to my home!

L1137[06:07:32] <Mettaton_Fab> nice.

L1138[06:07:56]

<Yuujin Hiiragi> insert comment about legs here

L1139[06:08:15] <Mettaton_Fab> *legs intensifies*

L1140[06:08:25] * Lizzy sits on vifino

L1141[06:08:39] * Mettaton_Fab sits on Lizzy

L1142[06:08:55] <Miyoyo> Mettaton_Fab no shit

L1143[06:08:57] * Lizzy throws Mettaton_Fab off and several feet into the air

L1144[06:09:25] * Mettaton_Fab lands perfectly on feet

L1145[06:10:49] <Miyoyo> Wait I also need to update my BT drivers :/

L1146[06:11:20] <Mettaton_Fab> Jojo's bizarre adventure to be continued:

L1147[06:11:22] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdu4uKSZ3M

L1148[06:11:24] <MichiBot> Yes - Roundabout | length: 8m 37s | Likes: 108226 Dislikes: 1697 Views: 13378811 | by TheClassicRewind

L1149[06:14:31] <Mettaton_Fab> anyone here who wants to cuddle with a greyparrot?

L1150[06:14:49] <Miyoyo> Mey

L1151[06:14:54] <Miyoyo> Meh*

L1152[06:14:58] <Inari> Mei?

L1153[06:15:00] <Miyoyo> My pocket griffon dog works

L1154[06:15:27] * Inari wants a dakimakura that hugfondles its user D:

L1155[06:16:30] <Mettaton_Fab> Inari, why?

L1156[06:16:40] <Miyoyo> Loneliness

L1157[06:16:48] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: why not :3

L1158[06:17:12] <Mettaton_Fab> what is the identification sign of team instinct?

L1159[06:17:22] <Miyoyo> fire?

L1160[06:17:23] <Inari> groping

L1161[06:17:33] <Mettaton_Fab> Dab. Dab a lot.

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L1163[06:18:53] * Mettaton_Fab tries to get Inari

L1164[06:19:04] <Inari> ?

L1165[06:19:07] * Mettaton_Fab tries to equip Inari

L1166[06:19:40] * Lizzy snuggles vifino

L1167[06:19:45] <Miyoyo> * Mettaton_Fab gains 2^64 in lewdness

L1168[06:20:25] * Mettaton_Fab tries to uninstall Mcaffee.

L1169[06:20:31] * vifino snuggles Lizzy

L1170[06:20:33] * Mettaton_Fab fail doing so

L1171[06:20:46] * Mettaton_Fab snuggles Lizzy

L1172[06:20:56] * Lizzy kicks Mettaton_Fab away

L1173[06:21:16] * Mettaton_Fab grabs Vifino and pulls him away

L1174[06:21:26] <Miyoyo> met pls

L1175[06:21:32] <MalkContent> lua for loop from -0 to 0 executes once for 0, right?

L1176[06:21:42] <Miyoyo> 0 and -0 is equal

L1177[06:21:46] <Lizzy> ^

L1178[06:21:49] * Mettaton_Fab tries to aquire legs

L1179[06:22:06] * Lizzy stabs Mettaton_Fab and takes vifino back

L1180[06:22:16] <Miyoyo> Don't angery the lizzery

L1181[06:22:16] <Lizzy> He. Is. MINE!

L1182[06:22:37] * Lizzy walks over ot the far corner of the room with her vifino

L1183[06:22:38] * Mettaton_Fab gets confused and german at the same time.

L1184[06:23:36] * Lizzy puts vifino down on the sofa there and then buries her face in vifino's chest

L1185[06:24:02] * Mettaton_Fab buries himself in Bratwurst

L1186[06:24:49] <MalkContent> it still does execute for 0, yes? :x

L1187[06:25:07] <Miyoyo> #lua for i=-0,0 do print("it doesn't") end

L1188[06:25:07] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > it doesn't | nil

L1189[06:25:19] <MalkContent> neat

L1190[06:25:34] <Miyoyo> #lua for i=1,1 do print("it doesn't") end

L1191[06:25:34] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > it doesn't | nil

L1192[06:25:40] <MalkContent> #lua print("test")

L1193[06:25:44] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > test | nil

L1194[06:26:30] <MalkContent> #lua print("test") return true

L1195[06:26:30] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > test | true

L1196[06:27:40] <Mettaton_Fab> do we really use lua interpreter in Irc?

L1197[06:27:47] <Miyoyo> Mettaton_Fab http://imgur.com/a/vRpBJ

L1198[06:28:13] <Miyoyo> Here, shitpic

L1199[06:29:41] <Mettaton_Fab> #lua for i=1, 24 do print ("lua") return false

L1200[06:29:46] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: 'end' expected near <eof>

L1201[06:30:04] <Mettaton_Fab> ok, i am too stupid fo simple lua.

L1202[06:30:24] <MalkContent> can i give a function that has 3 arguments a table with 3 entries instead?

L1203[06:30:38] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L1204[06:30:38] <MalkContent> just asking in case lua is funky

L1205[06:30:41] <MalkContent> rly?

L1206[06:30:43] <Miyoyo> just treat it as a table

L1207[06:30:44] <MalkContent> huh

L1208[06:31:27] * vifino hugs Lizzy's head

L1209[06:31:29] <MalkContent> you mean "make it a single argument and pull the values inside the function"?

L1210[06:31:30] <Miyoyo> #lua function t(tableinput) for i in pairs(tableinput) do print(i) end end tbin = {"Hi"=1,"Hello"=2} t(tbin)

L1211[06:31:31] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: '}' expected near '='

L1212[06:31:42] <Miyoyo> Exactly

L1213[06:31:47] <Mettaton_Fab> that picture seems to be of toilet origin. also, these swastikas seem to be selfmade.

L1214[06:32:04] <Miyoyo> Samsung E2530 master race

L1215[06:32:22] <Miyoyo> They're pretty old, there before the house was bought

L1216[06:32:31] <Miyoyo> this house is Quite old too so

L1217[06:32:36] <Mettaton_Fab> how about Samsung GT5620

L1218[06:32:57] <Miyoyo> At least it has a touch screen

L1219[06:32:59] <Miyoyo> and bada

L1220[06:33:34] <Mettaton_Fab> this samsung i mean, it is old, but it works.

L1221[06:35:46] <Mettaton_Fab> apparently mine bootloops.

L1222[06:35:58] <Miyoyo> My phone is an acer

L1223[06:36:02] <Miyoyo> it doesn't even boot

L1224[06:36:06] <Mettaton_Fab> what.

L1225[06:36:08] <Miyoyo> the fucking firmware broke

L1226[06:36:22] <Miyoyo> When I plug it in it's stuck in firmware block mode

L1227[06:36:24] <Mettaton_Fab> give it to electroBOOM, he knows what to do.

L1228[06:36:36] <Miyoyo> No but, there is also another problem

L1229[06:36:40] <Miyoyo> the chip

L1230[06:36:45] <Mettaton_Fab> is ded?

L1231[06:36:46] <Miyoyo> on the cell board

L1232[06:36:48] <Miyoyo> like

L1233[06:36:50] <Miyoyo> you know

L1234[06:36:53] <Miyoyo> 5mm*5mm

L1235[06:36:57] <Miyoyo> it's cracked.

L1236[06:37:00] <Miyoyo> ACER QUALITY

L1237[06:37:08] <Mettaton_Fab> do you have a model number?

L1238[06:37:21] <Miyoyo> It's an Acer E380 ALE single sim edition

L1239[06:37:37] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdgiTQffiwk

L1240[06:37:37] <MichiBot> Make a Human Powered Mobile Phone Charger | length: 5m 48s | Likes: 26917 Dislikes: 231 Views: 932819 | by ElectroBOOM

L1241[06:37:43] <Miyoyo> wat

L1242[06:38:21] <Miyoyo> Well that's a dynamo

L1243[06:38:44] <Mettaton_Fab> miyoyo, coul you give me a picture of it?

L1244[06:38:52] <Miyoyo> Just get to google

L1245[06:38:59] <Miyoyo> it's not physically damaged on the outside

L1246[06:39:09] <Mettaton_Fab> no, of the broken chip.

L1247[06:39:16] <Miyoyo> It's put back together

L1248[06:39:33] <Mettaton_Fab> don't turn it on, take it apart!

L1249[06:39:41] <Miyoyo> and I'm not replacing a mounted chip on a 3 years old shitphone

L1250[06:39:47] <Inari> Mettaton_Fab: thats eevblog

L1251[06:40:09] <Mettaton_Fab> i know. Inari, i know.

L1252[06:40:25] <Mettaton_Fab> I know inari, i know.

L1253[06:41:32] <Mettaton_Fab> i had to fix the broken screen on my galaxy S4.

L1254[06:41:58] <Miyoyo> Fucking jets

L1255[06:42:19] <Izaya> eevblog is great

L1256[06:42:33] <Miyoyo> There's a fucking army airbase 20km from where I live and these fucking jets always fly close to the fucking ground

L1257[06:42:35] <Miyoyo> fuck's sake

L1258[06:42:42] <Mettaton_Fab> #lua for i=1, 24 do print ("lua") return false

L1259[06:42:42] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: 'end' expected near <eof>

L1260[06:43:00] <Miyoyo> end

L1261[06:43:01] <Miyoyo> at the end

L1262[06:43:03] <Mettaton_Fab> http://imgur.com/FpvGJo3

L1263[06:43:15] <Mettaton_Fab> i hate my craptop.

L1264[06:43:22] <Miyoyo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg

L1265[06:43:23] <MichiBot> Doot - E1M1 [Knee-Deep in the Doot] | length: 3m 13s | Likes: 11811 Dislikes: 55 Views: 456676 | by Nick Ino

L1266[06:43:23] <Saphire> halp

L1267[06:43:34] <Miyoyo> Sap, what?

L1268[06:43:39] <Mettaton_Fab> wat?

L1269[06:43:40] <Saphire> i kinda want to make gui in opengl thingy i have been doing..

L1270[06:43:47] <Saphire> But i have no idea what to do with it

L1271[06:43:56] <Saphire> I mean, it's not like I need gui yet..

L1272[06:43:59] <Miyoyo> uh

L1273[06:44:05] <Saphire> actually, i do need it ._.

L1274[06:44:10] <Saphire> hm

L1275[06:44:15] <Miyoyo> I don't get it

L1276[06:44:18] <Miyoyo> What are you asking

L1277[06:44:25] <Miyoyo> What you are going to do with your GUI?

L1278[06:44:52] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UlR1sWybQo

L1279[06:44:53] <MichiBot> mr skeltal - thank on me | length: 3m 41s | Likes: 1160 Dislikes: 18 Views: 48491 | by Connor Haynes

L1280[06:45:14] <Miyoyo> watch?v=ZEmKR8rPtR8

L1281[06:45:15] <Inari> ms lewd - come on me

L1282[06:45:22] <Miyoyo> Don't look that up

L1283[06:45:26] <Miyoyo> except if you're a nazi

L1284[06:45:35] <Miyoyo> or hate a certain group of people

L1285[06:45:53] <Miyoyo> The question is

L1286[06:46:05] <Miyoyo> what the fuck is this doing in my sidebar

L1287[06:46:41] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr9DM3St0vA

L1288[06:46:42] <MichiBot> The Band Of The Spartans | length: 51s | Likes: 14331 Dislikes: 78 Views: 487136 | by Impact Props

L1289[06:47:31] <Miyoyo> What the fuck is that

L1290[06:47:32] <MalkContent> there a graceful way to make drones wait?

L1291[06:47:33] <Inari> Forecaster: nice demo, will proabbly be a fun game :) just hope they have enough non-combat misisons/options too

L1292[06:47:51] <Forecaster> well I'm not going to play it

L1293[06:47:52] <Forecaster> :P

L1294[06:47:54] <Inari> MalkContent: coroutine.yield(waittime)?

L1295[06:47:58] <Forecaster> but sure

L1296[06:47:59] <Inari> Forecaster: aw :p

L1297[06:48:01] <Inari> Forecaster: whysnot

L1298[06:48:06] <Miyoyo> Wait what are you talking about Inari and Forecaster

L1299[06:48:15] <Inari> Miyoyo: star citizen

L1300[06:48:24] <Miyoyo> Where the fuck does that come from

L1301[06:48:33] <Inari> he linked al ink to the gamescom demo earleir

L1302[06:48:36] <Forecaster> the magic of irc

L1303[06:48:37] <Miyoyo> We were talking about GUI, phones and nazis for a fucking hour

L1304[06:48:44] <MalkContent> i hope that does what i want

L1305[06:48:49] <MalkContent> thanks :)

L1306[06:48:55] <Forecaster> anyway, I'm happy with Elite :P

L1307[06:48:59] <Forecaster> and I'm not made of money

L1308[06:49:07] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isyh8f9vWI4

L1309[06:49:07] <MalkContent> that thing just returned me from the lua interpreter though

L1310[06:49:08] <MichiBot> Doot Roll | length: 19s | Likes: 1074 Dislikes: 9 Views: 45701 | by TheGidding

L1311[06:49:09] <Inari> Miyoyo: and i've been watching this for 52 minuiites + dogin some other stuff before watching what was linked

L1312[06:49:09] <MalkContent> x)

L1313[06:49:09] <Inari> :P

L1314[06:49:16] <Miyoyo> Malk you can also do computer.beep(something,sometime)

L1315[06:49:26] <Miyoyo> >It works

L1316[06:49:32] <MalkContent> :D

L1317[06:49:56] <Miyoyo> Yeah I actually used it

L1318[06:49:58] <Miyoyo> it works

L1319[06:50:00] <Inari> if you nee da 5 minute delay

L1320[06:50:05] <Inari> you can also drop an item and wait for it to despawn

L1321[06:50:05] <Inari> !

L1322[06:50:17] <MalkContent> heh

L1323[06:50:23] <Miyoyo> BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE[4 minutes and 30 seconds later]EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

L1324[06:50:30] <Miyoyo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C0fxoot-7c

L1325[06:50:31] <MichiBot> doot me up inside | length: 4m 5s | Likes: 4574 Dislikes: 44 Views: 160285 | by Someoneman

L1326[06:50:50] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRiZRMLGjCY

L1327[06:50:50] <MichiBot> Touch-A, Touch-A, Touch Me (Rocky Horror Picture Show) | length: 2m 28s | Likes: 3083 Dislikes: 77 Views: 681005 | by Sharlene G.

L1328[06:51:09] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fzFHdT7xao

L1329[06:51:10] <MichiBot> mr skeltal feat. Shrek - Doot Star | length: 3m 10s | Likes: 6802 Dislikes: 63 Views: 302999 | by Someoneman

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L1331[06:51:41] <Mettaton_Fab> why do we like dooting skeletons?

L1332[06:51:52] <Forecaster> no idea

L1333[06:51:55] <Forecaster> memes :P

L1334[06:51:59] <Miyoyo> MAYMAYS

L1335[06:52:03] <Inari> MeMeMe!¬

L1336[06:52:08] <Miyoyo> Saying meme in french

L1337[06:52:11] <Miyoyo> it's strange

L1338[06:52:13] <Miyoyo> Like

L1339[06:52:21] <Miyoyo> Someone going around shouting MEME MEME MEME

L1340[06:52:26] <Miyoyo> sounds like a retard shouting

L1341[06:52:30] <Miyoyo> "Same! Same! Same!"

L1342[06:53:02] <Forecaster> you mean like you are right now?

L1343[06:53:15] <Miyoyo> Exactly.

L1344[06:53:34] <MalkContent> yield seems to kill stuff, no?

L1345[06:53:58] <Inari> ?

L1346[06:53:59] <Miyoyo> Yield returns the coroutine to the host process and waits to be resumed

L1347[06:54:06] <Inari> ^

L1348[06:54:09] <Miyoyo> Like

L1349[06:54:11] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyKVXmKEsIc

L1350[06:54:12] <MichiBot> Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Doot | length: 4m 40s | Likes: 145 Dislikes: 7 Views: 8430 | by Kos_

L1351[06:54:18] <Miyoyo> Let's say you are doing a math thing

L1352[06:54:33] <Inari> are we doing maths now?

L1353[06:54:36] <Miyoyo> You can have a coroutine for a subcalculation

L1354[06:54:38] <Inari> thats quite the abstract lewdness

L1355[06:54:43] <Miyoyo> and if it bores you you can just

L1356[06:54:47] <Miyoyo> pause it and go back later

L1357[06:54:52] <Miyoyo> but when you've finished

L1358[06:54:52] <Mettaton_Fab> i have holidays, so no math stuff for me!

L1359[06:55:02] <Miyoyo> you can't do it again

L1360[06:55:06] <Miyoyo> or you need a new sheet

L1361[06:55:07] <Inari> maths is kinda fun

L1362[06:55:12] <Miyoyo> That's a coroutine

L1363[06:55:41] <Inari> MalkContent: whats your issue, and what are you trying to make it do :P

L1364[06:56:01] <Miyoyo> But I'm still thinking about a thread dispatcher in lua that puts a coroutine.yield() in the __index metatable of their _ENV

L1365[06:56:02] <MalkContent> waiting for the drone to arrive

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L1367[06:56:19] <MalkContent> with a while nothere do

L1368[06:56:25] <MalkContent> and i want to make it sleep inside the while

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L1370[06:56:31] <MalkContent> so it doesnt run like crazy

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L1373[06:57:33] <MalkContent> os.sleep seems to use yield, too, though

L1374[06:57:47] <Miyoyo> you can also just

L1375[06:57:49] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDCsivNSmEk

L1376[06:57:50] <Miyoyo> use the clock

L1377[06:57:51] <MichiBot> Waluigi Sings "ALL-STAR" by Smash Mouth | length: 3m 24s | Likes: 83 Dislikes: 0 Views: 1348 | by CurtDogg Gaming

L1378[06:57:56] <Miyoyo> USE THE CLOCK LUKE

L1379[06:57:59] <Inari> MalkContent: yes, you yield

L1380[06:58:29] <Inari> if you yield the top coroutine (i.e. your eeprom code) it will basically hand control back ot OC, if you yiedl with a number it will wait that amount of time before resuming (or resumed earlier if an event occurs, which you shoudl check i guess)

L1381[06:59:45] <MalkContent> i'm just confused because if i run it on a computer in the lua interpreter, it just quits the interpreter and never resumes, number or no

L1382[07:00:33] <Miyoyo> Malk: Because what happens with the shell is

L1383[07:00:42] ⇦ Quits: wembly (~wembly@50.240.220.69) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L1384[07:00:42] <Miyoyo> it creates a coroutine with the process library

L1385[07:00:50] <Miyoyo> but the process lib isn't made to resume anything

L1386[07:01:08] <Miyoyo> so either you pull the coroutine yourself to resume it

L1387[07:01:16] <Miyoyo> or you just restart a new process

L1388[07:01:46] <Forecaster> if you want to wait in a drone or microcontroller just copy the sleep function from openos

L1389[07:01:58] <Miyoyo> I'm not sure

L1390[07:02:09] <Miyoyo> Doesn't it use computer.time or smth?

L1391[07:02:22] <MalkContent> yea

L1392[07:02:25] <MalkContent> uptime

L1393[07:02:41] <Forecaster> https://git.theender.net/Forecaster/OC-programs/blob/master/scan.lua#L10-16

L1394[07:02:50] <Forecaster> here's a copy of it I made for one of my programs

L1395[07:03:09] <Miyoyo> Isn't computer.uptime an openos value?

L1396[07:03:13] <Forecaster> no

L1397[07:03:20] <Forecaster> drones are computers too

L1398[07:03:57] <MalkContent> awesome. thanks :)

L1399[07:04:05] <Miyoyo> Forecaster: no shit

L1400[07:04:21] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkxJLLJ-C7Q&index=6&list=PLPfr5i88hMZclD1ZaH0sWQbYqFPPQ0RAJ

L1401[07:04:22] <MichiBot> 20th century tumpet | length: 21s | Likes: 6614 Dislikes: 94 Views: 436724 | by Nianjii

L1402[07:04:31] <Forecaster> yeah, and updtime is part of the "computer" component

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L1404[07:04:38] <Forecaster> uptime*

L1405[07:04:57] <MalkContent> obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg

L1406[07:04:57] <MichiBot> Doot - E1M1 [Knee-Deep in the Doot] | length: 3m 13s | Likes: 11811 Dislikes: 55 Views: 456676 | by Nick Ino

L1407[07:05:05] <Miyoyo> Too late

L1408[07:05:06] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAKg6kbXIJM&index=8&list=PLPfr5i88hMZclD1ZaH0sWQbYqFPPQ0RAJ

L1409[07:05:07] <MichiBot> what is doot? | length: 35s | Likes: 2760 Dislikes: 22 Views: 146007 | by Elliot Hardman

L1410[07:05:08] <Miyoyo> already posted

L1411[07:06:21] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGkrYF2JTz8&index=14&list=PLPfr5i88hMZclD1ZaH0sWQbYqFPPQ0RAJ

L1412[07:06:22] <MichiBot> ˃epic tumpet skull | length: 17s | Likes: 507 Dislikes: 13 Views: 27163 | by rawrderder

L1413[07:06:40] <Forecaster> please stop spamming youtube videos now

L1414[07:08:24] <Miyoyo> Hey people

L1415[07:08:29] <Miyoyo> What do you use to write code?

L1416[07:08:39] <Forecaster> IDEA

L1417[07:09:05] <Vexatos> IDEA or np++

L1418[07:09:05] <MalkContent> notepad++ :x

L1419[07:09:19] <Forecaster> some np++ yeah

L1420[07:09:27] <Mettaton_Fab> https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1739330133&feature=iv&src_vid=-fzFHdT7xao&v=BOQMxbawuLs

L1421[07:09:28] <MichiBot> doot hill zone | length: 2m 12s | Likes: 397 Dislikes: 2 Views: 13256 | by Someoneman

L1422[07:09:31] <Miyoyo> Has anybody ever used Atom?

L1423[07:09:37] <Miyoyo> Cause don't

L1424[07:09:41] <Miyoyo> it's slow af

L1425[07:09:49] <Forecaster> I have it installed

L1426[07:09:51] <Vexatos> It's fast enough for me

L1427[07:09:54] <Forecaster> never really used it

L1428[07:10:02] <Miyoyo> Personally, I find that

L1429[07:10:04] <Vexatos> It's better than sublime, anyway

L1430[07:10:29]

<nxsupert> I use Atom , I've always found it rather good and fast.

L1431[07:10:36] <Miyoyo> 4 second electron load, 2.3 second UI building is way too slow honestly

L1432[07:10:44] <Miyoyo> What's your timecop results?

L1433[07:10:52] <Forecaster> maybe your computer isn't fast enough for it :P

L1434[07:10:54] <Forecaster> timecop?

L1435[07:11:00]

<nxsupert> ... It does both of those basiclu instantly for me.

L1436[07:11:03] <Miyoyo> You never used timecop?

L1437[07:11:12] <Forecaster> never heard of it

L1438[07:11:21] <Miyoyo> It's a build in package in atom

L1439[07:11:39] <Miyoyo> It shows the time everything took to start

L1440[07:11:43] <KR> I use Atom regularly

L1441[07:11:54] <Forecaster> well like I said I've never really used it

L1442[07:12:05] <Miyoyo> In the top bar, go into package and then select time cop->show

L1443[07:12:05] <KR> Slow loading is very annoying, but other than that I really like it.

L1444[07:12:12] <Vexatos> https://atom.io/themes/aesthetic-ui

L1445[07:12:13] <Miyoyo> Post ur timecops

L1446[07:12:14] <Vexatos> do it :>

L1447[07:12:43] <Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/4EFEFgV.png

L1448[07:12:58] <Miyoyo> http://imgur.com/a/RlOgM

L1449[07:13:13] <Forecaster> Vexatos: um. no.

L1450[07:13:25] <Miyoyo> AUI is amazing

L1451[07:13:28] <Miyoyo> pls use it ppl

L1452[07:13:38] <Forecaster> it looks terrible

L1453[07:13:48] <Miyoyo> it's nostalgia you won't understand

L1454[07:14:03] <Forecaster> that doesn't make it good

L1455[07:14:06] <Corded> * Elizabeth prefers Sublime Text and Vim

L1456[07:14:07] <Miyoyo> :(

L1457[07:14:20] <Mettaton_Fab> Doot

L1458[07:14:30] <Miyoyo> Mettaton_Fab Thanks for your input

L1459[07:14:39] <KR> I use Sublime Text when I want to quickly open and edit files

L1460[07:14:41] <Mettaton_Fab> Doot Doot

L1461[07:14:45] <Lizzy> fuuuuck, i think i have a gnat bite on my leg :/

L1462[07:14:48] <Miyoyo> Vex post ur timecop

L1463[07:15:05] <Forecaster> I tried using sublime, I liked it, but np++ has an ftp plugin

L1464[07:15:29] <Lizzy> Forecaster, Sublimetext has one as well

L1465[07:15:39] <Forecaster> it didn't do what I needed though

L1466[07:15:40] <Vexatos> http://i.imgur.com/mo2wizu.png

L1467[07:15:47] <Lizzy> and that was?

L1468[07:15:48] <Vexatos> "good enough"

L1469[07:15:52] <Forecaster> I don't remember

L1470[07:15:52] <Miyoyo> Who's on linux here?

L1471[07:16:02] <Miyoyo> Vex probably

L1472[07:16:02] <Lizzy> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4210H CPU @ 2.90GHz (3.09GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (12.2 GiB Free) Swap: 14.3 GiB Total (14.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 122.0 GB / 273.7 GB (151.7 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime

L1473[07:16:08] <Lizzy> : 3d 2h 33m 48s

L1474[07:16:34] <Miyoyo> Cause atom is way faster on linux

L1475[07:16:37] <Mettaton_Fab> http://imgur.com/gallery/RmEIdwK

L1476[07:16:38] <Forecaster> I just remember that there was something it wouldn't/couldn't do that np++ did, so I went back to using that

L1477[07:16:55] <Miyoyo> Freedom :3

L1478[07:17:14] <Mettaton_Fab> Lizzy, how old is dat CPU?

L1479[07:17:27] <Lizzy> not that old? It's a laptop cpu

L1480[07:17:53] <Miyoyo> Yeah 4 series is max 3 yo

L1481[07:19:18] <Forecaster> http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/comic/another-true-story

L1482[07:19:43] <Mettaton_Fab> i have an intel Pentium B950 in my potato.

L1483[07:20:06]

<Elizabeth> also this laptop has a GTX960M in it, though it's not on at the moment

L1484[07:20:08] <Miyoyo> Celeron 3500T here

L1485[07:20:17] <Forecaster> mine has a GladOS

L1486[07:20:22] <Forecaster> wait no, that's just another potato

L1487[07:20:57]

<Elizabeth> PotatOS

L1488[07:21:16]

<Eleria> O.o

L1489[07:21:37]

<Kimiro> CrateOS

L1490[07:21:55] <Miyoyo> Kimiro: Shhhhh

L1491[07:24:06]

<Kimiro> *shushes Miyoyo with a kiss*

L1492[07:24:46] <Miyoyo> ʢ✿﹏✿ʡ

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L1494[07:25:38] <Miyoyo> ʢꔸ﹏ꔸʡ

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L1499[07:28:18] <MalkContent> OreOs

L1500[07:28:19] ⇦ Quits: Tahg (~Tahg@pool-72-74-136-63.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 202 seconds)

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L1504[07:28:50] * MalkContent pats himself on the back for that one

L1505[07:29:09] <Miyoyo> no.

L1506[07:29:34] <MalkContent> fine

L1507[07:30:13]

<Kimiro> S'moreOS.

L1508[07:31:06] <Miyoyo> S'mores are basically unknown in belgium

L1509[07:31:10] <Miyoyo> And probably in france too

L1510[07:33:31]

<Kimiro> That's because those places are laaaaaaaame.

L1511[07:35:44] <MalkContent> hmmmm. is it possible to increment a variable without reassigning it?

L1512[07:35:57] <Miyoyo> that's lua for you

L1513[07:36:09] <Miyoyo> Low mem footprint

L1514[07:36:12] <Miyoyo> Low overhead

L1515[07:36:16] <Miyoyo> Low functionnality

L1516[07:36:21] <Miyoyo> That's the objective

L1517[07:36:35] <Miyoyo> you have the system, build upon it

L1518[07:36:58] <MalkContent> like i got local a = 2; local b = a; b++ and then want a == b to be true

L1519[07:37:43] <Miyoyo> So you want A and B to point at the same thing?

L1520[07:37:51] <MalkContent> ya

L1521[07:38:06] <Miyoyo> #lua a = 1 b = a a = a + 1 print(b)

L1522[07:38:06] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 1 | nil

L1523[07:38:12] <Miyoyo> Yeah I don't think so

L1524[07:38:34] <MalkContent> well obvsly. thats cause you reassign a there

L1525[07:38:47] <Miyoyo> There are no plus plusses in lua

L1526[07:39:04] <Miyoyo> #lua a = 1 a++

L1527[07:39:04] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: syntax error near '+'

L1528[07:39:07]

<Kimiro> *increments Miyoyo*

L1529[07:39:14] <MalkContent> ik. that was just pseudocode

L1530[07:39:14] <Miyoyo> ʢꔸ﹏ꔸʡ

L1531[07:40:37] <MalkContent> good enough for me though. just wanted to make sure that's not possible somehow

L1532[07:40:50]

<Kimiro> That emoji makes me think of a troll doll on LSD.

L1533[07:40:52] <Miyoyo> you CAN

L1534[07:40:54] <Miyoyo> do something

L1535[07:41:06] <Miyoyo> but it's kinda stupid

L1536[07:41:09] <Miyoyo> you can do

L1537[07:41:37] <Miyoyo> A metatable

L1538[07:41:41] <Miyoyo> that will access a value

L1539[07:42:07] * MalkContent does just that right now

L1540[07:42:17] <Miyoyo> do you even metatable bro?

L1541[07:42:38] <MalkContent> its either that or write an almost identical loop 4 times

L1542[07:42:52] <Miyoyo> What do you want to do with it?

L1543[07:42:56] <Miyoyo> Why not just reuse a?

L1544[07:43:01]

<Kimiro> I gotta ask why you need a = b though. Couldn't you just have whatever you need look at a instead of b?

L1545[07:43:15] <MalkContent> geolyzer.scan

L1546[07:43:24] <MalkContent> goes in squares from the inside out

L1547[07:43:59]

<Kimiro> And it's input can't be a,a?

L1548[07:44:04] <Miyoyo> Yeah but why not just reuse a if both are not the same?

L1549[07:44:12] <Miyoyo> are the same*

L1550[07:44:48] <MalkContent> i got a while loop which counts the current edge-walking variable

L1551[07:45:10] <MalkContent> and i want to change the variable that is referenced by the edge walker

L1552[07:45:30] <Miyoyo> Well just do b = a on time

L1553[07:46:46] <MalkContent> hmm. maybe i could

L1554[07:47:43] <MalkContent> meh. messy either way

L1555[07:47:59] <Miyoyo> It's lue we're talking about here

L1556[07:48:04] <MalkContent> :D

L1557[07:48:12] <MalkContent> yea im new to this

L1558[07:48:18] <MalkContent> but im starting to noticing a pattern

L1559[07:48:27] <Miyoyo> what pattern?

L1560[07:49:02] <MalkContent> of messieness

L1561[07:49:06] ⇦ Quits: npe|office (~NPExcepti@bps-gw.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) (Remote host closed the connection)

L1562[07:49:10] <Miyoyo> Welcome to programming

L1563[07:49:19] <Miyoyo> Here's your complementary segfault

L1564[07:49:29] <Miyoyo> And your five stones

L1565[07:53:58]

<Kimiro> *trades his stones for another segfault*

L1566[07:56:25]

<Kimiro> *uses the arcane art of fault cancellation to nullify both faults and compile a working program*

L1567[07:56:43] *** Miyoyo is now known as GCC

L1568[07:56:50] <GCC> Compilation error: -1

L1569[07:56:53] *** GCC is now known as Miyoyo

L1570[07:57:59]

<Kimiro> *shoves the compiler into a corner and manually writes the program in machine code*

L1571[07:58:27] *** Miyoyo is now known as your_cpu

L1572[07:58:31] <your_cpu> Segfault

L1573[07:58:35] *** your_cpu is now known as Miyoyo

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L1575[07:59:59]

<Kimiro> *imbibes enough alcohol to reach the Balmer Peak, re-writes the program in machine code, then sacrifices a GTX-980 to Satan before running the code*

L1576[08:01:09] *** Miyoyo is now known as Your_CPU

L1577[08:01:29] * Your_CPU shuts down in emergency because of critical overheating following an infinite loop

L1578[08:01:33] *** Your_CPU is now known as Miyoyo

L1579[08:01:48]

<Kimiro> ;-;

L1580[08:02:00]

<Kimiro> It was just "Hello, world!"

L1581[08:02:17] <Miyoyo> Your JMP pointed one instruction too low :/

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L1586[08:03:39] * Skye replaces the cpu with a litlle man in a mail sorting room

L1587[08:03:47]

<Kimiro> Oh. Also I POP PUSH when I should have PUSH POP.

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L1589[08:04:13] *** Miyoyo is now known as Nick_The_Postman

L1590[08:04:20] <Nick_The_Postman> Hi, I'm your new processor

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L1592[08:04:44] <Nick_The_Postman> According to the BOGUS MAGICAL INSTANCE POWER SYSTEM I score about a millibogomips

L1593[08:04:54] *** Nick_The_Postman is now known as Miyoyo

L1594[08:04:58]

<Kimiro> Nick, print "Hello, world!"

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L1596[08:05:17] *** Miyoyo is now known as Nick_The_Postman

L1597[08:05:24] <Nick_The_Postman> Sorry sir, it's break time

L1598[08:05:30] <Mettaton_Fab> doot?

L1599[08:05:36] <Corded> * Eleria watches what happens, while raging over gcc

L1600[08:05:59]

<Kimiro> And this is my experience with programming. In a nutshell.

L1601[08:06:08]

<Eleria> ^ Same xD

L1602[08:06:08] *** Nick_The_Postman is now known as Miyoyo

L1603[08:06:33]

<Kimiro> *gives up and becomes a professional sadomasochistic Dom at a leather bar*

L1604[08:06:49] * Mettaton_Fab doots

L1605[08:07:05]

<Eleria> Or other experience : Fatal System Error: Error in MSCorLib.dll . The program will now exit

L1606[08:07:21]

<Kimiro> (Programming people is so much easier than programming computers.)

L1607[08:07:37]

<Eleria> (xD _coughs_)

L1608[08:07:50]

<Kimiro> (Hehe.)

L1609[08:08:01] <Miyoyo> Let's have fun

L1610[08:08:05]

<Eleria> (_shrugs , noone notices any change in her face_)

L1611[08:08:05] <Miyoyo> LET'S PROGRAM IN OZ

L1612[08:08:19]

<Kimiro> (Quiet @Eleria, or you'll reveal our sordid affair.)

L1613[08:08:29] <Miyoyo> But kimi

L1614[08:08:30] <Miyoyo> ʢꔸ﹏ꔸʡ

L1615[08:08:43] * Mettaton_Fab doots more

L1616[08:08:45]

<Eleria> (_stays quit_)

L1617[08:08:58]

<Eleria> (_stays quiet_)

L1618[08:08:58] *** Miyoyo is now known as Nick_The_Postman

L1619[08:09:08] * Nick_The_Postman segfaults

L1620[08:09:11] *** Nick_The_Postman is now known as Miyoyo

L1621[08:09:13] * Mettaton_Fab doots much more

L1622[08:09:13]

<Kimiro> Miyoyo: You're my side-side corn.

L1623[08:09:18] <Miyoyo> but

L1624[08:09:46] <Corded> * Eleria looks at her compiler again , sees a bunch of errors , restarts again

L1625[08:11:12] <Miyoyo> There's a hong kong vendor

L1626[08:11:16] <Miyoyo> And at first glance

L1627[08:11:21]

<Kimiro> Actually... Counting my boyfriend, girlfriend, two pets, mistress, two other playmates... Miyoyo, you're my side corn like... 7 times removed. :3

L1628[08:11:23] <Miyoyo> I thougt they were based in tenesee

L1629[08:11:27] <Miyoyo> Hennessy

L1630[08:11:39] <Miyoyo> Kimiro: but y

L1631[08:12:02]

<Kimiro> Because I'm a fickle bastard?

L1632[08:12:15] <Miyoyo> k

L1633[08:12:19] <Corded> * Eleria listens to Kimiro , confused who is who

L1634[08:12:40] <Corded> * Eleria is still quiet tho

L1635[08:12:53] <Skye> Miyoyo, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_man_computer

L1636[08:12:57] <Miyoyo> Eleria you're gonna break the /me command

L1637[08:13:27]

<Kimiro> @Eleria: You're my mistresses property. :B

L1638[08:13:43] * Mettaton_Fab doots at Kimiro

L1639[08:13:47]

<Eleria> Well, its broken already xD

L1640[08:13:50] <Miyoyo> Why not implement that in oc?

L1641[08:14:24] <Corded> * Eleria is a property now apperiantely

L1642[08:14:38] * Miyoyo ain't affraid 'o no property

L1643[08:16:34] <Miyoyo> I have doot E1M1 in my head

L1644[08:16:36] <Miyoyo> why.

L1645[08:17:38] <Miyoyo> I love amazon reviews

L1646[08:17:40] <Miyoyo> Like

L1647[08:17:56] <Miyoyo> The french ones are even better because they're not even jokes

L1648[08:18:46] <Miyoyo> "The sim/sd tray is opened by a small "Iron teat", but it wouldn't come, a little piece of it broke"

L1649[08:19:16] <Saphire> >sim/sd

L1650[08:19:19] <Saphire> fuck those

L1651[08:19:23]

<Eleria> xD

L1652[08:19:25] <Miyoyo> why?

L1653[08:19:26] <Saphire> I don't want to choose between those

L1654[08:19:30] <Saphire> I want both!

L1655[08:19:37] <Miyoyo> Well I don't need dual sims

L1656[08:19:53] <Miyoyo> and I rarely needed more than 16gigs of storage in my previous phone

L1657[08:20:14] <Miyoyo> That pies'a'shiet only had 400 megs free

L1658[08:20:20] <Miyoyo> out of """""""four gigs"

L1659[08:20:30] <Miyoyo> well 2.36 really

L1660[08:20:40]

<Kimiro> *has a 32 Gb card in this thing, set to act as a logical extension of the internal*

L1661[08:20:54] <Miyoyo> I also have a 32 gig card for my phone

L1662[08:20:57] <Miyoyo> Bought in germany

L1663[08:21:06] <Miyoyo> Half price of belgian ones

L1664[08:21:10] <Miyoyo> On par with sharks

L1665[08:21:16] <Miyoyo> Anyone has a shark here?

L1666[08:21:29] <Forecaster> yep, got one in the pool outside

L1667[08:21:31] <Forecaster> wait...

L1668[08:21:35] <Forecaster> I don't have a pool

L1669[08:21:39]

<Kimiro> Made of imitators, beware of Germany.

L1670[08:21:44] <Miyoyo> M8 you're the norths

L1671[08:21:53] <Miyoyo> Meh it's a pretty genuine one honestly

L1672[08:21:57] <Miyoyo> Still

L1673[08:22:02] <Miyoyo> Sharks are available online

L1674[08:22:06] <Miyoyo> should have bought one

L1675[08:22:43] <Miyoyo> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Certified-MAXZA16GB-32GB-64GB-128GBmicro-sd-card-64GB-class10-flash-card-class6-memory-card-free-card/32354597950.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_10,searchweb201602_3_10057_10056_10065_10055_10054_9998_10059_10058_10017_107_10060_10061_10052_414_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=d9c0d252-1891-44f4-9b66-ef9d620e5c4d

L1676[08:23:33] <Miyoyo> It's even recommended by /g/

L1677[08:23:59]

<Kimiro> So many nbsp's. D:

L1678[08:24:08] <Miyoyo> Welcome to aliexpress

L1679[08:24:54] <Miyoyo> I mean 32gigs are only 8 bucks

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L1681[08:25:52]

<Kimiro> I paid $4 for mine.

L1682[08:25:55]

<Kimiro> CAD.

L1683[08:25:59] <Miyoyo> CAD?

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L1685[08:26:22]

<Kimiro> Canadian dollars.

L1686[08:26:32] <Miyoyo> 4 for what capacity?

L1687[08:27:18]

<Kimiro> 32

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L1689[08:28:00] <Miyoyo> >Europe ffs

L1690[08:28:10]

<Kimiro> Store was having a clear out sale though.

L1691[08:28:31]

<Kimiro> Normally would have been $12-20 I think.

L1692[08:31:03] * Mettaton_Fab Wahs

L1693[08:31:16] <Miyoyo> At least it's not the US

L1694[08:31:18]

<Kimiro> *burps Mettaton_Fab*

L1695[08:31:34] <Miyoyo> >700$ EPI PENS GET REKT SON

L1696[08:31:40] * Mettaton_Fab wahs more

L1697[08:32:00] <Miyoyo> No but seriously

L1698[08:32:01]

<Kimiro> *gives Mettaton_Fab some bourbon*

L1699[08:32:03] <Miyoyo> Except for guns

L1700[08:32:09] <Miyoyo> Why would anyone US?

L1701[08:32:22] <Miyoyo> Legit concerned

L1702[08:32:36] <Miyoyo> Why would anyone live in the US if it were not for guns

L1703[08:33:07] <Miyoyo> I mean here in belgium I can get shitface drunk on vodka at 16 before I can drive

L1704[08:33:23] <Miyoyo> Because driving before drinking just seems stupid

L1705[08:33:45] * Mettaton_Fab can't stop wahing

L1706[08:34:10]

<Kimiro> *puts Mettaton_Fab out of his misery*

L1707[08:34:13] <Miyoyo> Ah

L1708[08:34:14] <Miyoyo> better

L1709[08:34:34] * Mettaton_Fab is confused

L1710[08:35:25] <Saphire> oh my fucking tea

L1711[08:35:30] <Miyoyo> ?

L1712[08:35:33] <Miyoyo> It's cold?

L1713[08:35:37] <Miyoyo> You spewed it?

L1714[08:35:45] <Miyoyo> You realized it's just leaves in water?

L1715[08:36:03] <Saphire> I just heard those idiot kids on the street screaming ”Allah Akbar”

L1716[08:36:11] <Miyoyo> ?

L1717[08:36:13] <Saphire> that is such a cancer..

L1718[08:36:19] <Saphire> they scream every day

L1719[08:36:22] <Saphire> for any reason

L1720[08:36:27] <Saphire> ofc they ”play”

L1721[08:36:38] * Mettaton_Fab screams Allahu Akbar for confusion

L1722[08:36:39] <Miyoyo> Is "Oh My Tea" a popular interjection in Englistan?

L1723[08:36:42] <Saphire> but they scream their throats out while playing

L1724[08:36:52] <Saphire> nah, I was just trying to be original

L1725[08:36:55] <Miyoyo> kk

L1726[08:37:33] <Miyoyo> >MIUI 8

L1727[08:37:37] <Miyoyo> >Video editing

L1728[08:37:38] <Miyoyo> Why

L1729[08:37:59] *** gAway2002 is now known as g

L1730[08:38:12] <Miyoyo> Wait

L1731[08:38:18] <Miyoyo> BUT THAT'S FUCKING GENIUS

L1732[08:38:35] <Miyoyo> INDIVIDUAL SPACES DEPENDING ON WHAT PASSWORD YOU USE

L1733[08:39:28] <Miyoyo> Mom i want one

L1734[08:39:52] <Mettaton_Fab> http://i.imgur.com/lgYzk2m.png

L1735[08:40:41] <Miyoyo> kek

L1736[08:40:55] <Miyoyo> >And a diet coke please I'm on a diet

L1737[08:41:14]

<Kimiro> Heh.

L1738[08:41:49]

<Kimiro> *eats Miyoyo*

L1739[08:41:50] <Inari> Forecaster: whats a ship marker

L1740[08:41:56] <Inari> and if it is what i think it is

L1741[08:42:01] <Inari> why do i have a ship in asellus primus

L1742[08:42:10] * Mettaton_Fab eats a pack of instant noodles

L1743[08:42:42] * Miyoyo breaks out of kimiro

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L1745[08:44:17]

<Kimiro> *hopes Miyoyo knows there's only one way out* :F

L1746[08:44:32] <Miyoyo> "If there is no way out build one yourself"

L1747[08:44:35] <Forecaster> Inari: ship marker?

L1748[08:44:46] <Forecaster> if you're talking about the galaxy map then yes

L1749[08:44:50] <Forecaster> :P

L1750[08:44:54] <Forecaster> my elite wont start >:

L1751[08:45:34]

<Kimiro> Good.

L1752[08:45:43]

<Kimiro> Forecaster doesn't deserve nice things.

L1753[08:46:01] <Miyoyo> Does kimiro do?

L1754[08:46:08] <Miyoyo> 'Sup for debate

L1755[08:46:26] <Forecaster> uh, what?

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L1757[08:47:25] <Inari> Forecaster: odd

L1758[08:47:33] <Inari> Forecaster: i apparenlty have a ship ion asellus prime then

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L1761[08:48:06] <Forecaster> I have a cobra mk3 somewhere that I have no idea why I got

L1762[08:48:10] <Forecaster> and didn't sell

L1763[08:48:11] <Forecaster> :P

L1764[08:49:10] <Miyoyo> Ugh

L1765[08:49:17] <Miyoyo> I want dis http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Xiaomi-Redmi-3S-Cell-Phone-Snapdragon-430-4100mAh-Metal-Body-Fingerprint/103919_32687402601.html

L1766[08:49:17] <Forecaster> yay it works now \o/

L1767[08:49:21] <Miyoyo> but i cant have dis

L1768[08:49:22]

<Kimiro> *sells Forecaster to Miyoyo*

L1769[08:49:34] * Miyoyo refuses, but slips and accepts

L1770[08:49:45] <Miyoyo> Shit

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L1772[08:50:00] <Miyoyo> Am i the only french speaking user of this IRC?

L1773[08:50:04] <Miyoyo> Cause it looks that way

L1774[08:50:25] <Forecaster> I generally don't care where people are from

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L1776[08:50:33] <Miyoyo> Well I do :D

L1777[08:50:47] <Mettaton_Fab> i disconnected

L1778[08:50:53] <Miyoyo> Yes you did.

L1779[08:50:56] <Mettaton_Fab> because of bad interwebs

L1780[08:51:12] <Miyoyo> What isp

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L1782[08:51:16]

<Kimiro> Miyoyo: I speak a tiny bit of Canadian French.

L1783[08:51:44] <Miyoyo> Yeah, tabernacle is only canadian but saying that makes people laugh

L1784[08:52:00]

<Kimiro> Hehe.

L1785[08:52:06] <Miyoyo> otherwise it's Hon hon hon baguette omelette du fromage j'aime le vin hon hon hon

L1786[08:52:16]

<Kimiro> Hon hon hon.

L1787[08:52:20] <Miyoyo> Hon.

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L1789[08:53:12]

<Kimiro> Hon hon hon partie du Quebecois hon hon hon j'aime poutine et vin.

L1790[08:53:37]

<Kimiro> Subtly different.

L1791[08:53:41] <Miyoyo> Hon hon hon je désoxygénise mon essence :D

L1792[08:53:41]

<Kimiro> :B

L1793[08:54:01]

<Kimiro> *slaps Miyoyo*

L1794[08:54:05] <Miyoyo> But

L1795[08:54:06] <Miyoyo> why

L1796[08:54:13]

<Kimiro> There are minors present

L1797[08:54:24] <Miyoyo> You know what that meant rite

L1798[08:55:16]

<Kimiro> My lawyer advises me that is above my pay grade.

L1799[08:55:24] <Miyoyo> Heh

L1800[08:55:31] <Miyoyo> I desoxygenated my fuel

L1801[08:55:38] <Miyoyo> It makes no sense but still

L1802[08:55:40] <Miyoyo> oxygen man

L1803[08:55:53]

<Kimiro> Merde.

L1804[08:55:57] <Miyoyo> :D

L1805[08:56:13] <Forecaster> is that a relative of iron man?

L1806[08:56:18] <MalkContent> can local functions not call other local functions? O.o

L1807[08:56:19] <Miyoyo> shh

L1808[08:56:27] <Miyoyo> What do you mean malk?

L1809[08:56:29]

<Kimiro> *oxidates Miyoyo*

L1810[08:56:47] <Miyoyo> A local function is only available in it's chunk and subchunk

L1811[08:57:00] <MalkContent> idk. i define 2 local functions. one calls the other, but crashes when the other is local

L1812[08:57:02] <Miyoyo> A global function is available to every code that shares the same environment

L1813[08:57:24] <Miyoyo> #lua local function a(i) print(i) end function b() a(1) end

L1814[08:57:24] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > nil

L1815[08:57:29] <Miyoyo> #lua local function a(i) print(i) end function b() a(1) end b()

L1816[08:57:29] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 1 | nil

L1817[08:57:34] <Miyoyo> #lua local function a(i) print(i) end local function b() a(1) end b()

L1818[08:57:35] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 1 | nil

L1819[08:57:41] <Miyoyo> #lua function a(i) print(i) end local function b() a(1) end b()

L1820[08:57:41] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 1 | nil

L1821[08:57:45] <Miyoyo> ???

L1822[08:57:48] <Miyoyo> #resetlua

L1823[08:57:48] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > Sandbox Reset!

L1824[08:59:27] <Skye> #lua __OSVERSION = "Windows ME"

L1825[08:59:27] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > nil

L1826[09:00:15] <vifino> #resetlua

L1827[09:00:16] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > Sandbox Reset!

L1828[09:00:25] <Miyoyo> Bad vifino

L1829[09:00:38] * Miyoyo takes Lizzy and launches her towards vifino to distract him

L1830[09:01:08] * vifino holds on to his Lizzy

L1831[09:01:19] <Miyoyo> HE'S DISTRACTED RUN FOR YOUR LIVES

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L1833[09:05:18] <Inari> Forecaster: seems i have an eagle for some reason

L1834[09:05:45] <Miyoyo> wait what

L1835[09:05:51] <Miyoyo> oh ed rite

L1836[09:07:02] <Forecaster> :P

L1837[09:07:20] <Miyoyo> Anybody's got a hotas here?

L1838[09:07:35] <Forecaster> yup

L1839[09:07:54] <Miyoyo> Except for Inari ʢꔸ﹏ꔸʡ

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L1841[09:09:49] <Lizzy> s/s /ss

L1842[09:09:49] <MichiBot> <Miyoyo> Anybody'ssgot a hotas here?

L1843[09:09:52] <Lizzy> ¬_¬

L1844[09:10:00] <Miyoyo> wat?

L1845[09:10:01] <Inari> Miyoyo: i do

L1846[09:10:15] <Miyoyo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L1847[09:10:55] <Miyoyo> Who wants an obscure multilanguage joke?

L1848[09:10:58] <Miyoyo> Ѳ

L1849[09:11:05] <Miyoyo> Here have fun searching this

L1850[09:11:16] <Miyoyo> Ѳ

L1851[09:11:18] <Miyoyo> better

L1852[09:11:33] <g> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Fita

L1853[09:12:00] <MalkContent> http://pastebin.com/PW7XwpEg

L1854[09:12:21] <MalkContent> when scanseg is called from init (line37)

L1855[09:12:36] <Miyoyo> Malk: reduce script lenght by making simplificating functions

L1856[09:12:36] <MalkContent> it don't work unless scanseg isnt local

L1857[09:13:02] <Miyoyo> Because scanseg is in a separate chunk

L1858[09:13:19] <Miyoyo> Imagine lua being like a block building board

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L1860[09:13:27] <Miyoyo> Global blocks can be accessed anywhere

L1861[09:13:35] <Miyoyo> local blocks can only be accessed inside of themselves

L1862[09:14:01] <Miyoyo> Also local functions are only initialized when first called

L1863[09:14:06] <Miyoyo> defined*

L1864[09:14:22] <Miyoyo> #lua print(a) local a=1

L1865[09:14:22] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > nil | nil

L1866[09:14:29] <Miyoyo> #lua print(a) a=1

L1867[09:14:29] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > nil | nil

L1868[09:14:38] <Miyoyo> well for functions t hat is

L1869[09:14:53] <g> things happen in logical order in lua is what you're saying

L1870[09:14:58] <Miyoyo> ye

L1871[09:15:02] <g> it's not like JS, which hoists variable declarations

L1872[09:15:03] <Miyoyo> But still

L1873[09:15:12] <Miyoyo> you can't have local functions in other local functions

L1874[09:15:22] <Miyoyo> What you can do however

L1875[09:15:31] <Miyoyo> is define scanseg within init

L1876[09:15:44] <Miyoyo> or just do a global WHY DO YOU BOTHER WITH TOPLEVEL LOCALS

L1877[09:16:06] <MalkContent> that is an excellent question x)

L1878[09:16:10] <Miyoyo> You kno

L1879[09:16:12] <Miyoyo> Know*

L1880[09:16:24] <Miyoyo> I used to develop for DS

L1881[09:16:34] <Miyoyo> and once I also had a lua executor on DS

L1882[09:16:41] <Miyoyo> I got bothered by everyone to do local

L1883[09:16:44] <Miyoyo> so I said

L1884[09:16:45] <Miyoyo> fuck it

L1885[09:16:50] <Miyoyo> and made the REVOLUTIONARY

L1886[09:16:56] <Miyoyo> local tP = {}

L1887[09:17:01] <Miyoyo> aka

L1888[09:17:06] <Miyoyo> local tableProgram = {}

L1889[09:17:12] <Miyoyo> and defined EVERYTHING inside of it

L1890[09:17:19] <Miyoyo> and nobody's bothered me ever since

L1891[09:17:26] <Miyoyo> and because ram was so important to conserve

L1892[09:17:40] <Miyoyo> I just did tP = nil garbagecollect()

L1893[09:17:45] <Miyoyo> and boom

L1894[09:17:47] <Miyoyo> it worked

L1895[09:17:52] <Miyoyo> But in that context

L1896[09:17:59] <Miyoyo> we're talking a VM that's empty

L1897[09:18:01] <Miyoyo> has plenty of ram

L1898[09:18:06] <Miyoyo> and no sublevel programs

L1899[09:18:12] <Miyoyo> It's important in OpenOS

L1900[09:18:14] <Miyoyo> not in drones

L1901[09:18:33] <Miyoyo> Also yeah I have a wierd notation for my var

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L1903[09:23:10] <MalkContent> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L1904[09:23:39] <Miyoyo> I have the quirky habit of doing (First letter of the type of the var(VarName))

L1905[09:32:15] <MalkContent> quirkalicious

L1906[09:32:22] <MalkContent> also: yuss. shit's working

L1907[09:32:52] <Miyoyo> :3

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L1909[09:41:46] <Miyoyo> I don't know why

L1910[09:41:50] <Miyoyo> but right now

L1911[09:41:56] <Miyoyo> I feel like I'm at the beach

L1912[09:41:59] <Miyoyo> for some reason

L1913[09:46:21] <Miyoyo> On aliexpress

L1914[09:46:24] <Miyoyo> there's a car phone holder

L1915[09:46:28] <Miyoyo> at 1.5k a pop

L1916[09:47:22] <Inari> Forecaster: i quite like the new mission types though ^^ like where you go get something with a SVR~

L1917[09:51:06] <Forecaster> yeah

L1918[09:51:09] <Forecaster> I wanna play >:

L1919[09:51:44] <Forecaster> stupid computer

L1920[09:52:53] <Inari> haha

L1921[09:53:03] <Miyoyo> Amazon a shit

L1922[09:53:17] <Forecaster> I don't think they deliver that

L1923[09:53:18] <Forecaster> oh wait

L1924[09:53:23] <Miyoyo> No but

L1925[09:53:26] <Forecaster> yes they do

L1926[09:53:43] <Miyoyo> THERE'S NO "Ships to belgium" FILTER

L1927[09:53:53] <Miyoyo> You have to open and load the page of the product

L1928[09:53:55] <Miyoyo> only to see

L1929[09:54:01] <Miyoyo> "Ce vendeur ne livre pas en belgique"

L1930[09:54:04] <Miyoyo> Fuck you amazon

L1931[09:54:52] <Forecaster> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KXXYN7U/ref=?tag=natdee-20

L1932[09:55:00] <Miyoyo> wat

L1933[09:55:22] <Miyoyo> We should ask michiyo for a %amazon command

L1934[09:55:25] <Miyoyo> %amazon a shit

L1935[09:55:48] <Miyoyo> the problem with belgium is that most people forget about it

L1936[09:55:51] <Miyoyo> google forgot about it

L1937[09:55:52] <Michiyo> No. :D

L1938[09:55:58] <Miyoyo> most amazon sellers forget about it

L1939[09:56:03] <Miyoyo> Michiyo you're a bad person

L1940[09:56:10] <Miyoyo> And evry fucking one forgets about it

L1941[09:56:11] <Michiyo> Yes. :D

L1942[09:56:18] <Miyoyo> please people remember belgium

L1943[09:56:21] <Miyoyo> we have europe

L1944[09:56:23] <Miyoyo> and terrorists

L1945[09:56:26] <Miyoyo> and fireworks

L1946[09:56:28] <Miyoyo> and beer ffs

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L1948[09:56:44] <Forecaster> I don't like beer

L1949[09:57:07] <Forecaster> or fireworks, or terrorists

L1950[09:57:38] <Miyoyo> Fries?

L1951[09:57:47] <Miyoyo> Chocolate?

L1952[09:57:53] <Miyoyo> Chocolate coated fries?

L1953[09:58:12] <Forecaster> never had those together

L1954[09:58:23] <Forecaster> I've had chocolate and potato chips though

L1955[09:58:24] <Miyoyo> don't

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L1957[10:00:45] <Forecaster> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/life-as-a-berserker

L1958[10:02:50] <MalkContent> ^^

L1959[10:03:34] <Miyoyo> Kek

L1960[10:06:20] <Forecaster> sigh

L1961[10:06:28] <Forecaster> guess I'll keep working on my trading assistant

L1962[10:07:46] <Lizzy> ?

L1963[10:08:31] <Forecaster> there's an application called Cmdr's Log, lets you enter commodity data at stations like prices and supply/demand

L1964[10:08:45] <Forecaster> then it can use that to calculate a trade route

L1965[10:08:50] <Lizzy> ah

L1966[10:08:57] <Forecaster> it's completely manual, no online data

L1967[10:09:11] <Forecaster> I like it, but the author's gone and made a family or something

L1968[10:09:16] <Forecaster> hasn't been updated since last year

L1969[10:09:18] <Lizzy> that answers the question i just had (if it supported multiple pople_

L1970[10:09:30] <Forecaster> so I'm re-making it from scratch

L1971[10:10:00] <Lizzy> cool

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L1973[10:10:05] <Forecaster> the old one had some issues, like difficult interface, windows only

L1974[10:10:21] <Forecaster> by difficult interface I mean that he couldn't change the colors or things like that

L1975[10:10:29] <Forecaster> and resizing the windows wasn't allowed

L1976[10:10:43] <Forecaster> I'm rewriting it in nodewebkit.js

L1977[10:11:03] <Lizzy> right, home time. well, technically home to then go straight back out for dinner but after that i should be able to Testdrive my new flight controllers

L1978[10:11:04] <Forecaster> so it'll be easy to theme it, and it'll be win/lin/mac (ideally)

L1979[10:11:33] <Forecaster> it also used some weird arbitrary format for it's save files

L1980[10:11:38] <Forecaster> I'll use json

L1981[10:11:42] <Inari> Lizzy: what misison do you usually do? just trading?

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L1984[10:15:24] <Forecaster> IntelliJ y u not realize the git repo remote has updates D:<

L1985[10:16:35] <Forecaster> :I

L1986[10:16:40] * Forecaster starts SourceTree

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L1989[10:21:03]

<Elizabeth> Inari, whatever I can thats not a combat mission

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L1991[10:22:18]

<Elizabeth> I might start doing combat when I get a better ship

L1992[10:22:44] <Forecaster> cobras can be fairly good for combat, as long as you don't get it too deep

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L1997[10:49:23] <Mettaton_Fab> doot?

L1998[10:50:34] <g> Mettaton_Fab, http://i.imgur.com/FpvGJo3.png

L1999[10:50:35] <g> doot.

L2000[10:51:34] <Mettaton_Fab> is there a trumpet skeleton mod for the original DOOM?

L2001[10:51:41] <g> dunno, probably

L2002[10:53:31] <Mettaton_Fab> there is Super Mario Doom.

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L2004[10:57:27] <Miyoyo> >I'm rewriting it in nodewebkit.js

L2005[10:57:28] <MalkContent> Mettaton_Fab: doot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg

L2006[10:57:29] <MichiBot> Doot - E1M1 [Knee-Deep in the Doot] | length: 3m 13s | Likes: 11814 Dislikes: 55 Views: 456868 | by Nick Ino

L2007[10:57:34] <Miyoyo> This is why we can't have nice things

L2008[10:57:53] <MalkContent> soundtracks there already x)

L2009[10:58:00] <Miyoyo> no but

L2010[10:58:02] <Miyoyo> really

L2011[10:58:11] <Miyoyo> if you want to use fucking JS to make a desktop app

L2012[10:58:12] <Miyoyo> just

L2013[10:58:15] <Miyoyo> no

L2014[10:58:16] <Miyoyo> don't

L2015[10:58:24] <Mettaton_Fab> get me the Doom mod with the trumpet skeleton

L2016[10:58:37] <Mettaton_Fab> i need it, for Doot purposes.

L2017[10:59:10] <Miyoyo> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=doom+skeleton+TRUMPet+mod

L2018[11:00:41] * Forecaster wishes he could open his window without wasps getting in

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L2020[11:05:25] <Miyoyo> Wasps?

L2021[11:05:32] <Forecaster> wasps.

L2022[11:05:34] <Miyoyo> Wow nice.µ

L2023[11:16:02] <Forecaster> no!

L2024[11:16:04] <Forecaster> I smack them

L2025[11:16:11] <Forecaster> so they die.

L2026[11:16:14] <Miyoyo> You fuck with wasps?

L2027[11:16:26] <Forecaster> Smack. them.

L2028[11:16:33] <Miyoyo> Last time I saw one that bitch was the size of my index

L2029[11:16:36] <Vexatos> Yay for apiphobia :3

L2030[11:16:41] <Miyoyo> I don't fuck with no wasp

L2031[11:16:49] <Vexatos> Sometimes we have a hornet nest inside our roof

L2032[11:16:51] <Vexatos> I love hornets

L2033[11:16:54] <Vexatos> they eat wasps

L2034[11:17:37] <Miyoyo> Norway, doing gender equality the right way: http://www.thelocal.no/20160825/bras-tanks-and-guns-norways-women-join-the-draft

L2035[11:17:42] <Vexatos> I'm pretty much only scared of wasps

L2036[11:17:47] <Vexatos> because I've been stung so many times

L2037[11:17:56] <Miyoyo> Fucking wasps man

L2038[11:18:26] <Forecaster> there's a nest in the wall somewhere outside my window

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L2041[11:19:40] <Miyoyo> Dat xiaomi Redmi 3S

L2042[11:19:44] <Miyoyo> 140€

L2043[11:19:46] <Miyoyo> 3G ram

L2044[11:19:49] <Miyoyo> 32G storage

L2045[11:19:56] <Miyoyo> Fingerprint sensor

L2046[11:20:00] <Miyoyo> 4K mAh

L2047[11:20:03] <Miyoyo> hit me up fam

L2048[11:20:27] <Miyoyo> sign me the FUCK up ?????????? good shit go౦ԁ sHit? thats ✔ some good??shit right??th ? ere??? right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my selｆ ? i say so ? thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ? ?? ?НO0ОଠＯOOＯOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

L2049[11:20:27] <Miyoyo> ?Good shit

L2050[11:20:58] <Michiyo> what

L2051[11:20:59] <Michiyo> the

L2052[11:21:00] <Michiyo> fuck

L2053[11:21:04] <Miyoyo> ?

L2054[11:21:08] <Miyoyo> WHY

L2055[11:21:11] <Miyoyo> WON'T YOU

L2056[11:21:12] <Miyoyo> sign me the FUCK up ?????????? good shit go౦ԁ sHit? thats ✔ some good??shit right??th ? ere??? right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my selｆ ? i say so ? thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ? ?? ?НO0ОଠＯOOＯOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

L2057[11:21:12] <Miyoyo> ?Good shit

L2058[11:21:21]

<MajGenRelativity> ?

L2059[11:21:22] <Michiyo> Don't do that again. k? k.

L2060[11:21:25] <Forecaster> ...

L2061[11:21:27] <Miyoyo> no

L2062[11:21:46] <Miyoyo> Michiyo does it fuck with your client?

L2063[11:21:46]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, you need to calm yourself

L2064[11:22:05] <Michiyo> Doesn't matter what it does, stop.

L2065[11:22:08] <Miyoyo> k

L2066[11:23:21] <Michiyo> Thanks.

L2067[11:23:40]

<MajGenRelativity> My computer is still in the shop

L2068[11:23:46]

<MajGenRelativity> It should be done by the end of today though ?

L2069[11:23:49]

<MajGenRelativity> If they can fix it

L2070[11:23:53] <Michiyo> Nice, what was the issue/

L2071[11:23:54] <Michiyo> ?*

L2072[11:24:00]

<MajGenRelativity> 0 clue

L2073[11:24:03]

<MajGenRelativity> They haven't called me

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L2075[11:25:06] <Michiyo> lame

L2076[11:25:27]

<MajGenRelativity> Michiyo, I'll probably find out today

L2077[11:25:44]

<MajGenRelativity> Because if they don't call me, I'm calling them when I get out of work because I can pick it up

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L2079[11:25:51]

<MajGenRelativity> And I want to know if I need to go shopping

L2080[11:27:28] <Michiyo> We're still dealing with this fucking lost $25,000 package with UPS -_-

L2081[11:27:46]

<MajGenRelativity> That's pretty bad

L2082[11:27:51]

<MajGenRelativity> Did UPS lose it?

L2083[11:28:01]

<MajGenRelativity> *is assuming they did*

L2084[11:28:24] <Michiyo> I'm trying to figure out why ANY of this is our problem, dude came in and shipped some $25,000 airplane parts, didn't to insure it for more than the $100 default coverage, UPS picked it up that day, it made it to Little Rock, AR... and never moved again

L2085[11:28:29] <Michiyo> How is this our fault?

L2086[11:28:41]

<MajGenRelativity> It is not

L2087[11:28:48] <Michiyo> Why are WE getting called and bitched at by UPS, the shipper, and the receiver

L2088[11:28:50] <Michiyo> -_-

L2089[11:28:54]

<MajGenRelativity> Are the parts broken or missing?

L2090[11:29:30] <Michiyo> Missing, the box never moved again once it hit LR

L2091[11:29:31] <Michiyo> afk

L2092[11:29:34]

<MajGenRelativity> Huh

L2093[11:29:43]

<MajGenRelativity> The dude can get $100 back at least ?

L2094[11:30:06]

<MajGenRelativity> Also, all the laptops with a GTX 1060 in them start at $1,500 USD, which is higher than I originally thought ?

L2095[11:30:51]

<MajGenRelativity> correction, higher than I originally budgeted

L2096[11:31:34] <Miyoyo> Wait wait wait

L2097[11:31:46] <Miyoyo> >I'm calling them when I get out of work because I can pick it up

L2098[11:31:51] <Miyoyo> You're at WORK?

L2099[11:32:01]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, I'm not going to answer where I am

L2100[11:32:04]

<MajGenRelativity> Actually, I will

L2101[11:32:12]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm in orbit around Jupiter at the moment

L2102[11:32:17] <Miyoyo> Nice

L2103[11:32:37] <Michiyo> I'm at work as well :P

L2104[11:32:40] <Inari> MGR: cool, hows that time delay working out for you

L2105[11:32:43] <Miyoyo> Juno operator then

L2106[11:33:35]

<MajGenRelativity> Inari, I use relays that generate Alcubierre rings

L2107[11:33:41]

<MajGenRelativity> Time delay gets reduced a lot that way

L2108[11:33:42]

<MajGenRelativity> https://www.amazon.com/GE72VR-Apache-i7-6700HQ-Geforce-Windows/dp/B01JN4B1B0/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1472142560&sr=1-1&keywords=geforce+gtx+1060+laptop&refinements=p_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A3012497011

L2109[11:33:59]

<MajGenRelativity> I want it, but I don't know if my wallet wants it

L2110[11:34:02] <MalkContent> jesus christ i just had a moment of shock

L2111[11:34:14] <MalkContent> went "shit drones can't use items"

L2112[11:34:16] <Miyoyo> Get yourself a Desktop and a thin client

L2113[11:34:23] <MalkContent> thankfully place works with seeds

L2114[11:34:47]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, I don't always have internet

L2115[11:34:54]

<MajGenRelativity> Asteroids can slam into those relays

L2116[11:35:02]

<MajGenRelativity> It's happened before

L2117[11:35:09] <Miyoyo> Still

L2118[11:35:20] <Miyoyo> I'm pretty sure a 1.6K laptop isn't a wise choice

L2119[11:35:56]

<MajGenRelativity> I know it isn't

L2120[11:36:24]

<MajGenRelativity> Which is why I have to do an in-detail budget check

L2121[11:36:49]

<MajGenRelativity> To see if I can afford to live after buying that and my upcoming desktop

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L2123[11:37:35] <Miyoyo> huh

L2124[11:37:40] <Miyoyo> google's fuschia supports lua

L2125[11:39:37] <Saphire> huh

L2126[11:39:43] <Saphire> where?

L2127[11:39:52] <Saphire> *for what

L2128[11:39:56]

<MajGenRelativity> https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GE62VR-Apache-Pro-026-i7-6700HQ/dp/B01IS33QWY/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1472142949&sr=1-1&keywords=geforce+gtx+1060+laptop&refinements=p_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A3012497011%2Cp_89%3AMSI

L2129[11:40:02] <Miyoyo> IDK but it has a lua package

L2130[11:40:02]

<MajGenRelativity> It supports overclockinggggggggggggggggggggg

L2131[11:40:30]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm going to have to math it up before I read more, or I will just buy it

L2132[11:40:35]

<MajGenRelativity> and then become homeless

L2133[11:41:28] <payonel> Inari: o/

L2134[11:41:39] <Inari> payonel: ohi

L2135[11:45:32]

<MajGenRelativity> I CAN AFFORD IT

L2136[11:45:56]

<MajGenRelativity> It would be better if my current laptop is fixable, but I CAN afford a KICK ASS LAPTOP!

L2137[11:46:22] <gamax92> https://github.com/andlabs/ui/issues/186

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L2141[11:49:02]

<nxsupert> Hola

L2142[11:49:19]

<nxsupert> @MajGenRelativity What happened with your laptop then?

L2143[11:49:36]

<MajGenRelativity> @nxsupert it's in a computer repair shop right now

L2144[11:49:53]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm shopping around a little bit to see what I can afford, and what my money can get me

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<nxsupert> How much money do you have?

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L2148[11:50:53]

<nxsupert> For a new laptop

L2149[11:51:02]

<nxsupert> Or desktop.

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L2151[11:51:24]

<MajGenRelativity> @nxsupert I did some budget calculations, and in order to ensure a distinct lack of homelessness, $1,600 USD is my max comfortable price for a laptop

L2152[11:51:38]

<MajGenRelativity> I found this:

L2153[11:51:38]

L2154[11:52:12]

<nxsupert> You can get a pretty powerful laptop for that much. What do you need?

L2155[11:52:32]

<MajGenRelativity> I would like a gaming laptop

L2156[11:52:46] <g> Why a laptop instead of a desktop?

L2157[11:52:47]

<MajGenRelativity> Not the $3K 1080 liquid cooled max overclocked ones, but a solid one

L2158[11:52:49]

<nxsupert> I'd kill for a laptop like that. Well. If I could run OS X on it as well.

L2159[11:53:04]

<MajGenRelativity> g, because I need the mobility, and I'm getting a desktop in 4 months

L2160[11:53:23] <g> Just to point out that laptop parts are way more expensive than their desktop equivalents

L2161[11:53:32]

<nxsupert> Yea.

L2162[11:53:37]

<MajGenRelativity> @nxsupert well, it all depends if my laptop survives, and if my budget shifts somehow

L2163[11:53:45]

<MajGenRelativity> g, yep, it's annoying

L2164[11:53:51] <g> annoying? I guess

L2165[11:53:53] <g> it makes perfect sense

L2166[11:54:02]

<MajGenRelativity> well, annoying because it costs more ?

L2167[11:54:07] <g> anyway, before you drop that much on a laptop

L2168[11:54:12] <g> make sure you're not.. overspending

L2169[11:54:20]

<MajGenRelativity> g, of course

L2170[11:54:29] <g> gaming laptops are nice, but if you're getting a big desktop anyway, do you need to push all that power into a laptop?

L2171[11:54:33]

<MajGenRelativity> I have 3 stages of shopping

L2172[11:54:42]

<MajGenRelativity> 1. Set a max budget and look for stuff

L2173[11:54:53]

<MajGenRelativity> 2. Set a higher max budget and look for stuff in that price range

L2174[11:54:59]

<MajGenRelativity> 3. Find good stuff and look for a deal

L2175[11:55:11] <g> I.. guess?

L2176[11:55:29] <g> I'd rather set a max budget and then go mid-range towards what I'd want, at least if I was in your position

L2177[11:55:34] <g> that way I have money left over

L2178[11:55:36]

<MajGenRelativity> Yeah

L2179[11:55:42]

<MajGenRelativity> well, I will have money left over

L2180[11:56:00] <g> :P

L2181[11:56:02] <g> just my two cents

L2182[11:56:03] <g> gonna go eat now

L2183[11:56:05]

<MajGenRelativity> I don't do a lot with my money, and it's been years since my last big purchase......

L2184[11:56:18]

<MajGenRelativity> g, I may have a big budget, but I'm not stupid usually

L2185[11:56:19] <g> if you don't need to spend, don't spend

L2186[11:56:22] <g> that's my advice

L2187[11:56:22] <g> afk

L2188[11:56:23]

<MajGenRelativity> I will look for a good deal ?

L2189[12:00:04]

<nxsupert> Thats odd. Because when I got my laptop I wasn;t even planning on getting it. i just saw a really good deal.

L2190[12:00:21]

<MajGenRelativity> @nxsupert what's odd?

L2191[12:00:43]

<nxsupert> I'm odd. Because when I got my laptop I wasn;t even planning on getting it. i just saw a really good deal.

L2192[12:00:52]

<nxsupert> Corrected.

L2193[12:01:04]

<nxsupert> But it won't chnage on IRC will it?

L2194[12:01:09]

<MajGenRelativity> no, it won't

L2195[12:01:21]

<MajGenRelativity> and yeah, you are odd ?

L2196[12:01:26]

<MajGenRelativity> I've seen odder though

L2197[12:01:36]

<MajGenRelativity> And people who are odd in ways that disrupt others

L2198[12:01:55]

<nxsupert> It was £700 when it is normally £1000

L2199[12:02:04]

<Mimiru> It won't "change" on IRC, but it will send a new message with your edit

L2200[12:02:10]

<nxsupert> And it was a MacBook retina.

L2201[12:02:25] <Miyoyo> Honestly

L2202[12:02:32]

<MajGenRelativity> @nxsupert I one upped you with my current laptop ?

L2203[12:02:40] <Miyoyo> a 700GBP macbook is a okay deal

L2204[12:02:46]

<MajGenRelativity> It was $1,000 USD and I got it for $600 USD ?

L2205[12:03:13]

<nxsupert> If you apply the exchange rate diffrence. my laptop had a bigger drop in price.

L2206[12:03:28]

<MajGenRelativity> not percentage wise

L2207[12:03:36]

<MajGenRelativity> yours was a 30% discount

L2208[12:03:42]

<MajGenRelativity> mine was a 40% discount

L2209[12:03:42]

<nxsupert> Percentage doesn't really matter in this case.

L2210[12:03:48]

<MajGenRelativity> ok?

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L2213[12:04:00] <Miyoyo> One thing bothers me

L2214[12:04:01]

<nxsupert> Its how much money is still in our pocket ?

L2215[12:04:10] <Miyoyo> I bought my acer shitphone two years ago

L2216[12:04:15]

<nxsupert> Also. Your laptop is broken.

L2217[12:04:16] <Miyoyo> it was 159.99€

L2218[12:04:29] <Miyoyo> Right now

L2219[12:04:50] <Miyoyo> I can get a 3Gb 8 Core 32Gb 720p phone

L2220[12:04:54] <Miyoyo> for 20 bucks less

L2221[12:04:54]

<MajGenRelativity> @nxsupert the broken part is my bad thoguh

L2222[12:05:10]

<MajGenRelativity> It's GB not Gb

L2223[12:05:22]

<MajGenRelativity> If you had a 32Gb storage, it probably wouldn't even fit Android ?

L2224[12:05:24] <Miyoyo> Well if you want

L2225[12:05:34]

<MajGenRelativity> well, maybe it would

L2226[12:05:36] <Miyoyo> 32Gibibyte of storage

L2227[12:05:46] <Miyoyo> and 3Gibibytes of ram

L2228[12:05:48]

<nxsupert> Thats would easily fit in a phone.

L2229[12:05:56]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm not that obssessive ?

L2230[12:06:10]

<nxsupert> You get terabyte micro sd cards!

L2231[12:06:18] <Miyoyo> wait, what do you mean by Gb

L2232[12:06:33]

<MajGenRelativity> Gb means gigabit

L2233[12:06:37]

<MajGenRelativity> 1 billion bits

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L2235[12:06:44] <Miyoyo> Yeah no

L2236[12:06:45]

<MajGenRelativity> 32Gb = 4 GB

L2237[12:06:46] <Miyoyo> That's right

L2238[12:06:50] <Miyoyo> in about 200 years

L2239[12:06:54] <Miyoyo> Still

L2240[12:07:05] <Miyoyo> Between 2016 and 2216 there's not much difference

L2241[12:07:24] <Miyoyo> just One flipped bit if you represent each number individually

L2242[12:09:02] <Miyoyo> Wait

L2243[12:09:04] <Miyoyo> No

L2244[12:09:13] <Miyoyo> One billion byte

L2245[12:09:16] <Miyoyo> that's one gigabyte

L2246[12:10:00]

<MajGenRelativity> yes

L2247[12:10:08] <Miyoyo> so

L2248[12:10:16] <Miyoyo> That fits

L2249[12:10:39] <Miyoyo> One gigabit is .125 Gigabyte

L2250[12:10:58]

<MajGenRelativity> yes

L2251[12:10:58] <Miyoyo> So my current phone has 32 Gigabits or storage

L2252[12:11:22] <Miyoyo> But My current phone has 2.36 gb

L2253[12:11:25] <Miyoyo> and fits android

L2254[12:11:27] <Miyoyo> (barely)

L2255[12:11:31]

<MajGenRelativity> yes, but saying you have XX Gb of storage is mildly confusing unless we're discussing your phone on the NAND die level

L2256[12:11:42] <Miyoyo> Meh

L2257[12:11:51] <Miyoyo> When will we get a punch card readers on phones?

L2258[12:14:08]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, the day that this costs $600 https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT73VR-Titan-Pro-201-I7-6820HK/dp/B01IS33J76/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1472145179&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A3012497011%2Cp_n_graphics_type_browse-bin%3A14292273011%2Cp_n_operating_system_browse-bin%3A12035945011%2Cp_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2289792011%2Cp_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A13580787011

L2259[12:14:29] <Miyoyo> oshit

L2260[12:15:00] <Forecaster> you can probably make an app that decodes punch cards from an image of them

L2261[12:15:08] <Forecaster> so you can scan them with a camera

L2262[12:15:28]

<MajGenRelativity> sounds reasonable

L2263[12:15:39] <gamax92> Miyoyo: whaddup

L2264[12:16:21] <Miyoyo> Oshit waddup, here come dat boi

L2265[12:16:32]

<MajGenRelativity> ????????

L2266[12:16:37] <payonel> gamax92: i have a fix for component/modem.lua :)

L2267[12:16:48] <gamax92> payonel: okay

L2268[12:17:06] <payonel> gamax92: not that i dont still suck, but there was a bit i didn't understand about pack, unpack, and select back in the day that i understand reasonbly moreso now

L2269[12:17:22] <gamax92> okay.

L2270[12:18:10] <payonel> it's fun when you're making a remote shell host and client program and your own underlying modem driver is buggy :/

L2271[12:18:24]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm going to do what I've been saying I would do for a while and work on TACEATS2 ?

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L2273[12:19:44] <Miyoyo> Do any of you have any experience with aliexpress?

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L2282[12:52:33] <Miyoyo> I have a revolutionary idea to finally have working trackpad gestures: use capacitive digitizers

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L2284[13:00:55] <CompanionCube> rip services

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L2289[13:09:01] <BILLPC2684> hey i got a lua question... non-opencomputers tho...

L2290[13:09:09] <Forecaster> that's fine

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L2292[13:10:34] <BILLPC2684> um how do i use http.requests? i've already got it required... but i wana download a non-html page for my lua brosser

L2293[13:10:40] <BILLPC2684> *browser

L2294[13:11:08] <Forecaster> http://w3.impa.br/~diego/software/luasocket/http.html

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L2297[13:12:27] <BILLPC2684> well i've been there but... when downloading the page from my site it gave me a "javascipt is required to view this file"...

L2298[13:12:51] <Forecaster> what page are you trying to download?

L2299[13:13:22] <BILLPC2684> a .weber file (my own format...)

L2300[13:13:47] <Forecaster> have you tried searching for that error?

L2301[13:14:04] <BILLPC2684> no...

L2302[13:14:35] <Forecaster> maybe you should

L2303[13:15:11] <BILLPC2684> i already ahead of you :3

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L2305[13:19:08] <TheFox> Hello everyone

L2306[13:19:21] <Eleria> Hey ^^

L2307[13:20:00] <BILLPC2684> hello :3

L2308[13:21:51] <BILLPC2684> dang it ;-; i can download a image but not my file...

L2309[13:21:59]

<MajGenRelativity> hello TheFox

L2310[13:22:43] <TheFox> Hello majg, how have you been?

L2311[13:23:03]

<MajGenRelativity> Could be better

L2312[13:23:10]

<MajGenRelativity> my laptop's still in the shop

L2313[13:24:04] <Miyoyo> When will you be able to check at the shop?

L2314[13:24:30] <Lizzy> woop, i am home

L2315[13:24:36] <Lizzy> now to play with my flight controls

L2316[13:24:41] <Miyoyo> Whoopwhopwhopwhop

L2317[13:24:52] * Miyoyo becomes zoidberg

L2318[13:25:17]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, I could call them right now

L2319[13:25:26]

<MajGenRelativity> But it wouldn't do anything for me

L2320[13:25:33] <TheFox> Hello miyoyo and lizzy

L2321[13:25:33] <Miyoyo> Your call :/

L2322[13:25:41] <Miyoyo> Hey fox :D

L2323[13:27:03] <TheFox> How have you been miyoyo?

L2324[13:27:19] <Miyoyo> I've been looking for a replacement phone

L2325[13:27:25] <Miyoyo> from my AHER PHUEN

L2326[13:27:33] <TheFox> Droid or iOS? Or other?

L2327[13:27:38] <BILLPC2684> forecaster i can't find a sulotion to my probblem

L2328[13:27:44] <Miyoyo> I'd never take an iOS phone

L2329[13:27:54] <Miyoyo> There's no reason to use a windows phone for me

L2330[13:27:55] <Forecaster> argh why regex why?!

L2331[13:27:58] <Miyoyo> So yeah

L2332[13:28:34]

<MajGenRelativity> iOS is not where it's at TheFox

L2333[13:28:41] <TheFox> NO, don't mention anything windows

L2334[13:28:45] * TheFox hide's

L2335[13:28:48] <Mimiru> BILLPC2684, weber, as in from npmjs weber?

L2336[13:28:52]

<MajGenRelativity> I personally think Android is a better fit, but Windows isn't the worst mobile OS

L2337[13:29:00] <BILLPC2684> what?

L2338[13:29:03] <Miyoyo> And I'm baffled that I can get a 3GB ram 32GB rom Eight core phone for 140€

L2339[13:29:08] <TheFox> Ahhhhhhhh! No windows

L2340[13:29:11] <Mimiru> You sad you're trying to get a .weber file

L2341[13:29:13] <Miyoyo> Windows phone has one advantage

L2342[13:29:17] <Mimiru> weber as in the npmjs package?

L2343[13:29:24]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, thank you for talking right

L2344[13:29:24] <Miyoyo> It's easy as fuck

L2345[13:29:26] <BILLPC2684> i was being clever and making my own file type

L2346[13:29:32] <Miyoyo> :D

L2347[13:29:38] <TheFox> Shit miyoyo no more windows

L2348[13:29:44] * TheFox runs away

L2349[13:29:51] <Mimiru> ahh.. lol

L2350[13:29:56] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity chases TheFox with the Windows 10 upgrade prompt

L2351[13:29:57] <Miyoyo> Fox don't run too fast or you'll become a browser

L2352[13:30:05] * Lizzy needs a bigger desk

L2353[13:30:06]

<MajGenRelativity> EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

L2354[13:30:15] <Miyoyo> CMERE BOI

L2355[13:30:15] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity high fives Miyoyo

L2356[13:30:23] <BILLPC2684> basicly weber is the form of a new web page/browser

L2357[13:30:26] * Miyoyo high fives back

L2358[13:30:42] * Miyoyo highfives every bot in the channel that have arms

L2359[13:30:48] <BILLPC2684> simmlar to html but based around lua

L2360[13:31:30] <Miyoyo> You really can't get worse than markup languages

L2361[13:31:36] <Miyoyo> or at least HTML

L2362[13:31:52] <Miyoyo> but still it has the advantage of being easily understood, modified and manipulated

L2363[13:32:06] <BILLPC2684> well i didn't wana this to be a 100% mark up lang

L2364[13:32:14] <BILLPC2684> *want

L2365[13:32:33] <Mimiru> Tonight I get to downgrade from a 800w PSU to a 550

L2366[13:32:35] <Mimiru> \o/

L2367[13:32:44] <Miyoyo> Why mimiru?

L2368[13:32:54]

<MajGenRelativity> higher efficiency?

L2369[13:32:55] <Mimiru> Cause it sounds fun!

L2370[13:32:56] <BILLPC2684> but EVEN if i try to downloaf a .txt i get the same error...

L2371[13:33:04] <BILLPC2684> *download

L2372[13:33:14] <Miyoyo> Downloafing

L2373[13:33:14] <Mimiru> No, I think my PSU is failing, and the only other PSU I have is a 550 from... my moms computer :/

L2374[13:33:19]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, the closer your PSU is to your component's maximum load, the better

L2375[13:33:23]

<MajGenRelativity> higher efficiency

L2376[13:33:28] <Kilobyte> Mimiru: what do you fucking have in your computer to require a 800w PSU

L2377[13:33:29] <Miyoyo> No

L2378[13:33:31]

<MajGenRelativity> also 80+ Titanium is a thing

L2379[13:33:33] <Kilobyte> 3 GPUs?

L2380[13:33:39] <Miyoyo> It's more efficient aroung the 45-65% charge

L2381[13:33:41] <Miyoyo> lukitup

L2382[13:33:44]

<MajGenRelativity> no

L2383[13:33:47] <Lizzy> OMFG ITS KILOBYTE

L2384[13:33:47] <Mimiru> Well, current load is 490 watts, but I had planned for dual GPUs

L2385[13:33:49]

<MajGenRelativity> 80% is best

L2386[13:34:00] <Kilobyte> yes from time to time i AM actually alive

L2387[13:35:42] <Mimiru> Oh... 442 watts per this calculator

L2388[13:35:55]

<MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, parts list?

L2389[13:36:03] <Mimiru> Lots

L2390[13:36:03] <Mimiru> :P

L2391[13:36:09]

<MajGenRelativity> heh

L2392[13:36:14] <Mimiru> Client: HexChat 2.12.1 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (x64) • CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor (4.01GHz) • Memory: 31.9 GiB Total (23.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 823.2 GiB / 10.2 TiB (9.4 TiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960, Air Display (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM v1.1) • Uptime: 14h 49m 34s

L2393[13:36:33]

<MajGenRelativity> oh

L2394[13:36:38]

<MajGenRelativity> It's an FX

L2395[13:36:41]

<MajGenRelativity> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L2396[13:36:53]

<MajGenRelativity> at least it's Vishera

L2397[13:37:31] * TheFox smacks majgen with OS X Ei captain upgrade prompt

L2398[13:37:58]

<MajGenRelativity> I have used OS X a grand total of 15 minutes in my life

L2399[13:38:06]

<MajGenRelativity> I don't know what that upgrade prompt is like

L2400[13:38:17] <TheFox> Sorry for you, Score is a wonderful tool

L2401[13:38:29] <TheFox> I even have it setup to build for arm

L2402[13:38:40]

<MajGenRelativity> my primary is Windows 10, and I have a minor amount of experience with Linux

L2403[13:38:58] <Miyoyo> I think the worst thing about Windows phone is that even if it's a phone OS there's a licencing fee

L2404[13:39:05] * TheFox true to sell a free copy of Linux to majgen

L2405[13:39:32]

<MajGenRelativity> TheFox, yeah I'll buy that free copy for $40

L2406[13:39:42] <TheFox> Wonderful

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L2408[13:40:18] <gamax92> I hate tutorials that start out with "To use this tool, first we need to open the program ... wait for the program to open ... then we need to open the image ... click on the file menu ... then click open ..."

L2409[13:40:40] <Miyoyo> And all the way

L2410[13:40:57] <Miyoyo> they either move their mouse at fucking 5c or 1m/h

L2411[13:41:05] <Kilobyte> Miyoyo: exept for the OS part, i gotta say thats pretty nice

L2412[13:41:22] <TheFox> Gamax could I interesting in a 40 dollar copy of Ubuntu(the free Linux OS)?

L2413[13:41:23] <Miyoyo> Still

L2414[13:41:27] <Miyoyo> It's killing itself

L2415[13:41:38] <Miyoyo> Why bother doing that when you can just take android

L2416[13:41:40] <TheFox> Shit I hate this on screen keyboard

L2417[13:41:51]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, because you can run PC programs I think

L2418[13:41:52] <TheFox> Miyoyo Android is Linux...

L2419[13:42:05] <Miyoyo> No you can't

L2420[13:42:11] <Miyoyo> Well

L2421[13:42:21] <Miyoyo> you can run custom dev aps or UWP

L2422[13:42:21]

<MajGenRelativity> You can't?

L2423[13:42:22]

<MajGenRelativity> Huh

L2424[13:42:26] <Miyoyo> but no exes

L2425[13:42:31] <Miyoyo> and fox I know this

L2426[13:42:31]

<MajGenRelativity> Ahhhhhhhhhh

L2427[13:42:40] <Miyoyo> I'm talking about phones here

L2428[13:42:55] <Miyoyo> >I think the worst thing about Windows PHONE

L2429[13:42:56]

<MajGenRelativity> Ik

L2430[13:43:04] <TheFox> Miyoyo I misunderstood when I made my last comment

L2431[13:43:04] <Kilobyte> tbh, while android is based on linux, it's no real linux anymore

L2432[13:43:10] <gamax92> TheFox: paying for a free distro can be legitimate, for example you could be paying for a CD to be made and then shipped to you if for some reason you don't want to do that yourself or use a USB

L2433[13:43:17] <Miyoyo> D:<

L2434[13:43:38] <TheFox> Gamax no, I'm offering you a "license"

L2435[13:43:46]

<MajGenRelativity> Kilobyte, my one gripe with android is that it doesn't support real java

L2436[13:43:46] <CompanionCube> gamax92: or you could be paying for support, RHEL-style

L2437[13:43:49]

<MajGenRelativity> It's custom

L2438[13:43:51] <gamax92> then no fuck you

L2439[13:44:07] <gamax92> also Android isn't Linux ...

L2440[13:44:11] <TheFox> Ahahahahaha

L2441[13:44:16] <CompanionCube> gamax92: Android is Linux

L2442[13:44:21] <Kilobyte> no

L2443[13:44:21] <Miyoyo> Well android is on a linux kernel

L2444[13:44:22]

<MajGenRelativity> gamax92, it is

L2445[13:44:24] <Kilobyte> it's based in it

L2446[13:44:29] <CompanionCube> it just doesn't have the conventionaL GNU userland

L2447[13:44:29] <Miyoyo> but it's not GNU SLASH LINUCKS

L2448[13:44:30] <Kilobyte> but it is no actual linux anymore

L2449[13:44:47] <Miyoyo> *Inserts spit after LINUCKS*

L2450[13:44:52] <CompanionCube> it's Android/Linux vs GNU/Linux

L2451[13:44:52] <gamax92> CompanionCube: yes, and th kernel is also been heavily modifed for Android purposes

L2452[13:44:54] <Kilobyte> the kernel is so heavily modified that it is no linux kernel

L2453[13:44:56] <Skye> Google / Linux

L2454[13:44:58] <Kilobyte> it is an android kernel.

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L2456[13:45:10] <Miyoyo> The future is magenta

L2457[13:45:19] <gamax92> which uhh ... Completely different userland, Modified kernel. It's probably easier to say Android is not Linux.

L2458[13:45:32]

<MajGenRelativity> but it sort of is

L2459[13:45:34] <Kilobyte> anyways, there are also distributions which sell install disks if you want to donate but don't want to declare it as donation (useful for companies)

L2460[13:45:36] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: I doubt that in the case of Android

L2461[13:45:43] <CompanionCube> it's more likely wrt the baseband processor though

L2462[13:45:49] <Lizzy> fucks sake

L2463[13:45:55] <Miyoyo> Lizzy:?

L2464[13:45:58] <BILLPC2684> O.o i just had a idea

L2465[13:46:03] <Temia> Toolbox is a shitty userland anyway

L2466[13:46:12] <gamax92> Kilobyte: my father used to get disks from site called osdisc.com iirc

L2467[13:46:18] <Lizzy> my pc was connected to the network through my storage server, that just died

L2468[13:46:23] <BILLPC2684> what if someone made a android like OS for opencomputer's tablets

L2469[13:46:27] <Miyoyo> Rip

L2470[13:46:34] <Miyoyo> Yeah no

L2471[13:46:38] <TheCryptek> BILLPC2684: I am working on that.

L2472[13:46:39] <CompanionCube> BILLPC2684: there's insufficient hardware

L2473[13:46:44] <Temia> Anyone who's anyone supercedes it with Busybox, which is commonly used in most initramfs images

L2474[13:46:44] <BILLPC2684> nice

L2475[13:46:46] <TheCryptek> Wow

L2476[13:46:51] <TheCryptek> TheFox: I just got your tell

L2477[13:46:54] <gamax92> Temia: yep

L2478[13:47:00] <Kilobyte> i'd prefer a well made command line interface over a well made gui any time

L2479[13:47:00] <Miyoyo> Still, i'm gonna reiterate what I said an hour ago

L2480[13:47:01] <Miyoyo> I have a revolutionary idea to finally have working trackpad gestures: use capacitive digitizers

L2481[13:47:14] <Kilobyte> in fact, my irc client runs in a terminal :P

L2482[13:47:17] <CompanionCube> the best android userland is (p|ch)rooted actual linux

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L2484[13:47:24] <TheCryptek> I agree Kilobyte

L2485[13:47:36] <Skye> Temia, later versions of android use toybox, which is written by an old busybox developer

L2486[13:47:44] <Temia> Oh?

L2487[13:47:58] <Temia> I'm guessing past the 5 mark?

L2488[13:48:08] <Miyoyo> But toybox is not busybox, it's more of an "android busybox"

L2489[13:48:09] <gamax92> Kilobyte: but what if it's a gui style terminal application?

L2490[13:48:14] <Skye> Temia, yeah

L2491[13:48:18] <CompanionCube> Skye: isn't toybox's entire reason for existence GPL avoidance

L2492[13:48:29] <Miyoyo> Probs

L2493[13:48:30] <Skye> CompanionCube, not really

L2494[13:48:36] <Kasen> since 6, i thought

L2495[13:48:38] <Temia> Ah, I haven't any experience with 5+ so.

L2496[13:48:40] <Lizzy> oh ffs

L2497[13:48:43] <Skye> It's basically the programming going "oh god what have I done"

L2498[13:48:49] <Lizzy> my netstart script didn't start ¬_¬

L2499[13:48:52] <gamax92> what's the name for 6 and above?

L2500[13:48:55] <Skye> and wanting to rewrite busybox anyway

L2501[13:48:58] <gamax92> or well ... just 6

L2502[13:49:08] <Kasen> marshmallow?

L2503[13:49:12] <Kilobyte> Lizzy: netctl and systemd-netword ftw :P

L2504[13:49:14] <gamax92> ahh right

L2505[13:49:14] <Miyoyo> Nougat :D

L2506[13:49:15] <Kasen> or was that 5?

L2507[13:49:20] <CompanionCube> gamax92: do you have a good GUI-style terminal example?

L2508[13:49:22]

<MajGenRelativity> KitKat was 5

L2509[13:49:25]

<MajGenRelativity> Marshmallow is 6

L2510[13:49:25] <gamax92> CompanionCube: wocchat

L2511[13:49:28]

<MajGenRelativity> Nougat is 7

L2512[13:49:30] <Miyoyo> What the fuck?

L2513[13:49:31] <Miyoyo> No

L2514[13:49:36] <Miyoyo> lolipop is 5

L2515[13:49:40] <Lizzy> Kilobyte, can both of those set up bridges and assign ips?

L2516[13:49:42] <Miyoyo> KK is 4.4

L2517[13:49:42] <TheCryptek> Its kitkat

L2518[13:49:43] <gamax92> kitkat was 4.4 :P

L2519[13:49:45] <TheCryptek> marshmellow

L2520[13:49:46] <Kasen> this is why we use version numbers

L2521[13:49:47] <Kilobyte> yes

L2522[13:49:50] <TheCryptek> Nougat

L2523[13:49:54] <Kilobyte> netctl is arch linux specific though

L2524[13:49:55] <Lizzy> if so, is there any documentation for it? i couldn't find much

L2525[13:49:56] <TheCryptek> Jesus ._.

L2526[13:49:56] <gamax92> Kasen: CM13.0

L2527[13:49:58] <Miyoyo> Nooga is 7

L2528[13:50:05] <Kilobyte> Lizzy: man pages

L2529[13:50:06] <TheCryptek> CM can suck a cock ._>

L2530[13:50:11]

<MajGenRelativity> wait wat

L2531[13:50:13] <Miyoyo> I love nougat pls gimme nougat

L2532[13:50:15] <gamax92> I love CM

L2533[13:50:19]

<MajGenRelativity> Oh yeah

L2534[13:50:26]

<MajGenRelativity> Kitkat was 4.4, Lollipop is 5

L2535[13:50:35] <Kasen> i'm currently on android 2.3...

L2536[13:50:35]

<MajGenRelativity> I got M and N right though ?

L2537[13:50:35] <TheCryptek> gamax92: I did too until they partnered with Microsoft

L2538[13:50:42] <Lizzy> ffs, myrrdin why are you locking up?

L2539[13:50:44]

<MajGenRelativity> they did?

L2540[13:50:47]

<MajGenRelativity> that's new to me

L2541[13:50:48] <gamax92> I couldn't care less about that

L2542[13:50:56] <Miyoyo> Wait

L2543[13:50:56] <Kilobyte> systemd.network is a good manpage to start with for systemd-netword

L2544[13:51:00] <Miyoyo> CM x M$?

L2545[13:51:12] <TheCryptek> Miyoyo Yes

L2546[13:51:17] <Miyoyo> Ew

L2547[13:51:20] <Miyoyo> fuck CM

L2548[13:51:20] <TheCryptek> Right?!

L2549[13:51:21] <Lizzy> will have a look in a bit

L2550[13:51:33] <Kilobyte> i currently run CM, haven't noticed any M$ shit so far

L2551[13:51:45] <TheCryptek> Kilobyte: Its in the CyanogenOS

L2552[13:51:57] <Kilobyte> ohhhh yeah i don't run that :P

L2553[13:52:07] <Kilobyte> i used to... but not anymore

L2554[13:52:11] <TheCryptek> Kilobyte: My old phone has CM but my new phone can't be rooted ._.

L2555[13:52:20] <Kilobyte> what phone would that be?

L2556[13:52:31]

<MajGenRelativity> TheCryptek, just do what I did

L2557[13:52:31] <TheCryptek> Kilobyte: Samsung Galaxy Grand Prime

L2558[13:52:33]

<MajGenRelativity> delete the BIOS

L2559[13:52:45] * Kilobyte takes a note to not buy any samsung devices

L2560[13:52:49]

<MajGenRelativity> speeds up your phone and makes the UI glorious

L2561[13:52:56] <TheCryptek> Its only the Grand Prime

L2562[13:53:02] <TheCryptek> My other phone is a Samsung

L2563[13:53:03] <TheCryptek> :P

L2564[13:53:08] <Miyoyo> Samsung a shit

L2565[13:53:09] <Kilobyte> MajGen: black theme? :P

L2566[13:53:15] <CompanionCube> Android 5.x works suprisingly well on my 1gb ram tablet

L2567[13:53:17]

<MajGenRelativity> Kilobyte, whatever theme you want

L2568[13:53:22] <Kilobyte> yeah, wouldn't have gone for samsung anyways

L2569[13:53:25]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, Samsung makes good flagships

L2570[13:53:30] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L2571[13:53:33] <Kilobyte> meh

L2572[13:53:33]

<MajGenRelativity> And 90 other bad phones

L2573[13:53:35] <Miyoyo> Flagships

L2574[13:53:37] <Miyoyo> Exactly

L2575[13:53:40] <Temia> I'm teeechnically on a Samsung device right now, but it's one I picked out solely for its featureset.

L2576[13:53:48] <Temia> And it isn't a flagship.

L2577[13:53:48] <Miyoyo> What features?

L2578[13:53:53] <Kilobyte> if i need computing power i got my laptop, or failing that my pc

L2579[13:53:54] <gamax92> keyboard?

L2580[13:53:55] <Mettaton_Fab> doot.

L2581[13:53:55] <Temia> 5-row slider keyboard :x

L2582[13:53:58] <gamax92> :D

L2583[13:54:02] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L2584[13:54:08] <Miyoyo> don't take a blackberry

L2585[13:54:13] <gamax92> but yeah CyanogenOS != CyanogenMod

L2586[13:54:15] <Miyoyo> The camera cover is PLASTIC

L2587[13:54:30] <TheCryptek> Gamax92: Made by the same people though.

L2588[13:54:35] <gamax92> so?

L2589[13:54:39] <Kilobyte> or i use the work client computers nobody is using. 121 client cluster ftw

L2590[13:54:41] <Temia> ...what do I care? I don't use the camera.

L2591[13:54:50] <TheCryptek> gamax92: I don't have anything to do with Microsoft or those that partner with Microsoft.

L2592[13:55:01] <Temia> I have a perfectly decent digital camera with optical zoom.

L2593[13:55:18] <gamax92> TheCryptek: cool, I'll continue to take extended support for my old phone

L2594[13:55:25] <Kilobyte> it's useful if you don't have another camera with you :P

L2595[13:55:31]

<MajGenRelativity> TheCryptek, what da matta u

L2596[13:55:37] <Miyoyo> What if

L2597[13:55:37] * CompanionCube has tried to use XDMCP on his tablet now

L2598[13:55:39] <Miyoyo> microsoft

L2599[13:55:41] <TheCryptek> gamax92: That is you :P We all got our opinions

L2600[13:55:42] <CompanionCube> it didn't go that well

L2601[13:55:48] <gamax92> Because if one person hands me a box, one is filled with gold wrapped chocolate and the other vomit, I'm still just going to take the chocolate.

L2602[13:55:55] <Miyoyo> will integrate it's kernel with COs

L2603[13:56:05] <Miyoyo> Or just make UWP apps work on COs

L2604[13:56:07] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: COs?

L2605[13:56:13] <Miyoyo> Cyanogen Os

L2606[13:56:39] <Kilobyte> i won't give a shit

L2607[13:56:44] <CompanionCube> neither would I.

L2608[13:56:56] <Lizzy> what the actual fuck dropbox?

L2609[13:56:57] <CompanionCube> although my tablet is stock and unrooted

L2610[13:57:02] <Kilobyte> on a side note: if something doesn't run on windows, i call that a feature :P

L2611[13:57:12]

<MajGenRelativity> Kilobyte, why?

L2612[13:57:23] <gamax92> Kilobyte: but what if someone makes a wrapper to make it work on windows? D:

L2613[13:57:38] <Kilobyte> because from a developers standpoint windows support can be a pain

L2614[13:57:54]

<MajGenRelativity> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L2615[13:57:55] <CompanionCube> It'd be interesting if I could use my tablet's sdcard slot to boot actual linux

L2616[13:57:56]

<MajGenRelativity> ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

L2617[13:57:59]

<MajGenRelativity> gotta go

L2618[13:58:11] <gamax92> Kilobyte: MSYS2 simplified a bit of that for me

L2619[13:58:28] <Skye> I got original windows 3.0 floppies

L2620[13:58:46] <Temia> Oh, the other nice thing about this phone.

L2621[13:58:47] <Kilobyte> Skye: i have 3.11 :P

L2622[13:58:50] <gamax92> Kilobyte: so despire being in Windows, I can just use pacman to install a dev package

L2623[13:58:50] <Temia> Unlocked bootloader.

L2624[13:58:56] <Skye> Kilobyte, I have 3.0 and 3.11

L2625[13:59:00] <Skye> I want 3.1

L2626[13:59:05] <Lizzy> urghh

L2627[13:59:07] <gamax92> Temia: what is the whole locked/unlocked bootloader thing?

L2628[13:59:10] <CompanionCube> Temia: I'm not sure if my tablet's UEFI implementation is locked

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L2630[13:59:37] <Lizzy> CompanionCube, is it a Surface RT?

L2631[13:59:45] <Miyoyo> Somebody cracked windows RT recently

L2632[13:59:52] <Miyoyo> well the secure boot part

L2633[13:59:59] <CompanionCube> Lizzy: no

L2634[14:00:02] <Temia> Gamax: With an unlocked bootloader, you don't have to go through a meticulous series of asinine steps in order to install a new ROM.

L2635[14:00:05] <CompanionCube> it's a asus x86 tablet

L2636[14:00:05] <Lizzy> good

L2637[14:00:24] <Temia> Because you can just install it directly.

L2638[14:00:31] <CompanionCube> although I wonder what'd be a good interface for a 7-inch screen

L2639[14:00:35] <Lizzy> windows just fucking time out already so i can 'disconnect' the network drive

L2640[14:00:43] <gamax92> Temia: oh, I'm guessing I don't have that issue on mine then, I just boot into recovery, use TWRP's install rom mode, then boot new rom

L2641[14:00:45] <TheFox> X86 tablet???

L2642[14:01:02] <Temia> Yeah, sounds like yours is unlocked too.

L2643[14:01:35] <CompanionCube> TheFox: yep

L2644[14:01:51] <Lizzy> :@

L2645[14:02:13] <Kilobyte> funnily enough: m$ has signed severel chainloaders, so unless they have some further checks it should be relatively easy to get a custom kernel running

L2646[14:02:15] <CompanionCube> it's not that uncommon for some tablets to have intel x86 cpus

L2647[14:02:15] <Mettaton_Fab> Skye?

L2648[14:02:21] <Miyoyo> Lizzy: just disconnect that shit without respect

L2649[14:02:30] <Mettaton_Fab> can i hasz Windows 3.11?

L2650[14:02:31] <Skye> ?

L2651[14:02:31] <Lizzy> Miyoyo, i fucking cant

L2652[14:02:35] <Miyoyo> ?

L2653[14:02:39] <Skye> Mettaton_Fab, the disks are corrupted

L2654[14:02:40] <Lizzy> because windows is a huge pile of shit

L2655[14:02:49] <Miyoyo> Just hand-remove the connector

L2656[14:02:57]

<MajGenRelativity> sup Mettaton_Fab

L2657[14:02:57] <Mettaton_Fab> i can make dat work again!

L2658[14:03:00]

<MajGenRelativity> long time no see

L2659[14:03:01] <Lizzy> Miyoyo, what?

L2660[14:03:05] <Temia> What connector

L2661[14:03:09] <CompanionCube> Mettaton_Fab: if you just want to download stuffs winworldpc has you covered

L2662[14:03:16] <Temia> It's a network drive.

L2663[14:03:19] <Lizzy> ^

L2664[14:03:20] <Miyoyo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L2665[14:03:22] <gamax92> Skye: hah, my disks were all fine when I last backed them up, all disks matched available hashes.

L2666[14:03:25] <Mettaton_Fab> i want to install it from floppies!

L2667[14:03:26] <Kilobyte> Lizzy: the wifi cable.

L2668[14:03:28] <Miyoyo> Just go to your router

L2669[14:03:33] <Miyoyo> Find a poney

L2670[14:03:39] <Miyoyo> and let it eat the wireless cable

L2671[14:03:40] <Kilobyte> won't help

L2672[14:03:47] *** Miyoyo was kicked by Lizzy (fuck off))

L2673[14:03:50] <Kilobyte> you still have to wait for it to timeout

L2674[14:03:55] <Temia> Miyoyo is officially out of good ideas today.

L2675[14:03:57] <Lizzy> Kilobyte, yeah

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L2677[14:04:01] <Miyoyo> but

L2678[14:04:03] <Miyoyo> muh history

L2679[14:04:05] <Kilobyte> "you still have to wait for it to timeout"

L2680[14:04:11] <Temia> Oh, right

L2681[14:04:18] <Temia> Miyoyo never had any good ideas.

L2682[14:04:24] <Miyoyo> no

L2683[14:04:33] <Lizzy> Miyoyo, unless you have something genuinly constructive to add to the conversation, SHUT THE FUCK UP

L2684[14:04:39] <Mettaton_Fab> how do i lennyface?

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L2686[14:05:39] <Kilobyte> Mettaton_Fab: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda in a root shell

L2687[14:05:44] <Lizzy> https://www.theender.net/shx/zion/dwm_2016-08-25_20-05-20.png is what i'm currently staring at... thanks windows

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L2689[14:05:56] <Kilobyte> (just saying: don't actually do that)

L2690[14:06:16] <Lizzy> or do, it weeds out idiots :P

L2691[14:06:36] <Kilobyte> (one should assume all linux users in here know that, but you never know)

L2692[14:06:47] <Mettaton_Fab> restart explorer.exe via task manager!

L2693[14:06:53] <CompanionCube> Kilobyte: nonono

L2694[14:07:01] <CompanionCube> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem

L2695[14:07:08] <Lizzy> did that, still doesn't disconnect the network drives

L2696[14:07:23] <Temia> That sounds like fun.

L2697[14:07:29] <Mettaton_Fab> restart windows.

L2698[14:07:29] <Miyoyo> Does a frozen explorer.exe even time out?

L2699[14:07:52] <CompanionCube> Temia: if you do it one byte at a time it's almost like russian roulette

L2700[14:08:16] <Temia> Ooh, ooh

L2701[14:08:46] <Lizzy> there, had to go to the fucking command line to remove them

L2702[14:08:51] <Kilobyte> network drive is a kernel thing

L2703[14:08:57] <Kilobyte> not related to explorer

L2704[14:09:01] <Mettaton_Fab> so, did you try turning it off and on again?

L2705[14:09:14] <Temia> What if we fed a random integer to seek=?

L2706[14:09:25] <Lizzy> no, i just googled how to get rid of them, found a cmd way and did that

L2707[14:09:34] <Lizzy> now i can re-map these drives at the proper address

L2708[14:09:40] <CompanionCube> Temia: exactly.

L2709[14:10:00] <CompanionCube> if you do it with some other people, you can have the winner be the last box standing

L2710[14:10:06] <Lizzy> providing the fucking storage server isn't being brought down by fucking dropbox

L2711[14:11:11] <gamax92> kmem shotgun spread

L2712[14:11:33] <Mettaton_Fab> wat?

L2713[14:11:43] <Lizzy> fucking hell windows ¬_¬

L2714[14:12:48] <Mettaton_Fab> use linux.

L2715[14:12:55] <Mettaton_Fab> or use win98

L2716[14:12:58] *** Mettaton_Fab was kicked by Lizzy (fuck off))

L2717[14:13:09] <CompanionCube> the idea is very old: http://bash.org/?926695

L2718[14:13:10] <Lizzy> I am not in the fucking mood

L2719[14:13:32] <Kilobyte> sane idea, but not always applicable

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L2721[14:14:30] <Mettaton_Fab> doot again.

L2722[14:18:07] <Temia> $RANDOM is so small these days though.

L2723[14:18:13] <Temia> It's only 15 bits.

L2724[14:21:15] * CompanionCube is going to test it on a DSL VM with only ~16M of RAM

L2725[14:22:46] <Kilobyte> Temia: works fine if you need to find a port tho :P

L2726[14:22:52] <Kilobyte> like, a random one

L2727[14:23:55] <CompanionCube> so, with no seek

L2728[14:24:06] <CompanionCube> it caused a segementation fault, but the machine was notded

L2729[14:24:59] <Temia> :p

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L2731[14:25:40] * CompanionCube maybe needs to run this in a loop

L2732[14:25:54] <Kilobyte> there also is UPS russian roulette: everyone puts finger in ear, except for one which picks a UPS plug to pull, then silences the alarm. then it's the next persons turn.

L2733[14:26:06] <Kilobyte> winner is who is least deaf after that

L2734[14:26:17] <Miyoyo> What kind of game is that?

L2735[14:26:28] <Miyoyo> Drunken IT night games :D

L2736[14:26:36] <Kilobyte> of course

L2737[14:26:50] <Kilobyte> why else would you pull the plug of a live UPS

L2738[14:26:58] <Miyoyo> uh

L2739[14:27:05] <Mettaton_Fab> that's #justitthings.

L2740[14:27:10] <Kilobyte> except maybe UPS test

L2741[14:27:22] <Miyoyo> Don't most UPS have test buttons?

L2742[14:27:37] <Kilobyte> idk, ours don't

L2743[14:27:50] <Kilobyte> but then again, their alarm is barely audible in the server room

L2744[14:28:00] <Kilobyte> and they look like they are from the 90s

L2745[14:28:06] <Mettaton_Fab> are the server fans louder?

L2746[14:28:27] <Kilobyte> well, it's a big server room with lots of powerful equipment

L2747[14:28:45] <Kilobyte> i only administer a single rack which prob has the shittiest equipment in the entire room

L2748[14:29:09] <Miyoyo> What, amd opterons?

L2749[14:29:12] <Kilobyte> another department is considering to give us their lowest spec server as they have no use for it.

L2750[14:29:21] <Kilobyte> and that would be an upgrade.

L2751[14:29:26] <Miyoyo> Oshit

L2752[14:29:31] <Mettaton_Fab> i want dat server!

L2753[14:29:54] <Miyoyo> is this server the kind of server slower than a 2007 xserve?

L2754[14:29:57] <Kilobyte> Miyoyo: 1x4x3 GHz, 10 gig of ram, 2 TB storage

L2755[14:30:20] <Miyoyo> okay That's pretty bad

L2756[14:30:38] <Miyoyo> What do you even do with these kinds of specs?

L2757[14:30:42] <Kilobyte> hypervisor with: a domain controller, a pfsense router, a web server and a shitty ghost server

L2758[14:30:56] <Kilobyte> for 120 client computers

L2759[14:31:03] <Miyoyo> wow

L2760[14:31:08] <Miyoyo> it doesn't break?

L2761[14:31:11] <Kilobyte> it does

L2762[14:31:17] <Miyoyo> ofc i'm dumb

L2763[14:31:32] <Kilobyte> login doesn't work half the time, and when it does, it takes 5 minutes (or 30 during peek times)

L2764[14:31:37] <Mettaton_Fab> put it on massive stress without cooling.

L2765[14:31:50] <Kilobyte> so we end up with NO hardware? no.

L2766[14:31:59] <Miyoyo> Why not just use, well

L2767[14:32:08] <Miyoyo> literally a dell opteron

L2768[14:32:11] <Temia> #oc - full of bad ideas

L2769[14:32:19] <Miyoyo> except maybe for the ethernet

L2770[14:32:33] <Kilobyte> it does at least have 4 gbit ethernet ports

L2771[14:32:36] <Kilobyte> (we need 3)

L2772[14:32:51] <Kilobyte> also, redundancy? nice joke

L2773[14:33:07] <Miyoyo> what kind of startup is this

L2774[14:33:22] <Temia> An underfunded one I guess.

L2775[14:33:26] <Kilobyte> one of the ten biggest universities in germany

L2776[14:33:28] <Miyoyo> The professional F2K one that doesn't give a fuck?

L2777[14:33:32] <Kilobyte> computer room.

L2778[14:33:49] <Miyoyo> Yeah, not a F2K but still doesn't give a fuck

L2779[14:33:53] <Temia> Ah, of course it's a university.

L2780[14:34:16] <Temia> They're always the ones that run positively decrepit backends

L2781[14:34:22] <Kilobyte> the only redundancy we have: a raid 5 (no backups though). and our server has 2 power supplies, with 2 separate UPS units which each are on their own phase

L2782[14:34:26] <CompanionCube> damnit,it just causes the kernel to flip shit. no actual crashing involved

L2783[14:34:36] <Kilobyte> research gets all the funding

L2784[14:34:43] <Kilobyte> infrastructure none.

L2785[14:34:47] <Miyoyo> Well at least the power redundancy is mostly there

L2786[14:35:16] <Kilobyte> we are currently trying to get a new printer

L2787[14:35:22] <Miyoyo> Wow

L2788[14:35:23] <Kilobyte> for 2 months now

L2789[14:35:24] <Miyoyo> for how long

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L2791[14:35:37] <Kilobyte> estimated print volume: 15k pages a month

L2792[14:35:45] <Miyoyo> Thats... actually impressively long

L2793[14:36:02] <Miyoyo> What kind of shit budget do you have

L2794[14:36:17] <Kilobyte> again, infrastructure is expected to just work

L2795[14:36:20] <Miyoyo> 3k a year?

L2796[14:36:20] <Kilobyte> without much funding

L2797[14:36:42] <Kilobyte> while research gets the money shoved up their ass without them knowing what to do with it

L2798[14:37:19] <Kilobyte> another admin who works in research just recently ordered a 500 euro switch because he thought it might be useful

L2799[14:37:56] <Miyoyo> Do you even get funding meetings?

L2800[14:38:00] <Miyoyo> Just, IDK

L2801[14:38:00] <Kilobyte> lolno

L2802[14:38:07] <Miyoyo> fry the server

L2803[14:38:11] <Miyoyo> and tell them

L2804[14:38:12] <Kilobyte> we tell our bosses: we need x

L2805[14:38:20] <Miyoyo> "No powerino, no windowsino"

L2806[14:38:41] <Kilobyte> and maybe we get a reply a week later asking them why we'd need it

L2807[14:38:47] <Miyoyo> #Oc - Full of bright and intelligent people

L2808[14:38:52] <Kilobyte> and if there wasn't some other way to solve the problem

L2809[14:38:57] <g> so there are scala people here, right?

L2810[14:39:02] * Kilobyte hides

L2811[14:39:08] <g> What's the difference between `==`, `===` and `====` in scala?

L2812[14:39:20] <Temia> Length

L2813[14:39:22] <Miyoyo> The number of characters for one

L2814[14:39:23] * Temia ducks

L2815[14:39:24] <g> just general curiosity

L2816[14:39:24] <Lizzy> computer what the actual fuck are you doing?

L2817[14:39:25] <g> lol

L2818[14:39:28] * Miyoyo hides

L2819[14:39:31] <g> never seen an ==== before

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L2821[14:39:41] <Kilobyte> idk about ==

L2822[14:39:43] <Kilobyte> err

L2823[14:39:46] <Kilobyte> ====

L2824[14:39:51] <Kilobyte> === is from ScalaTest iirc

L2825[14:40:05] <Kilobyte> just allows you to give a better error message when an assertation fails

L2826[14:40:27] <g> the docs say, for ====, `synonym for a must beTypedEqualTo(b)`

L2827[14:40:41] <g> what's this concept of must/should about?

L2828[14:40:43] <Kilobyte> assert(42 === 1337) would yield the error "42 did not equal 1337"

L2829[14:41:03] <Kilobyte> must is a function :P

L2830[14:41:04] <Miyoyo> g: Maybe it compares

L2831[14:41:09] <Miyoyo> "Hello" and "hello"

L2832[14:41:22] <Kilobyte> a.b(c) is absolutely equal to a b c

L2833[14:41:44] <Kilobyte> just like a + b is absolutely equal to a.+

L2834[14:41:48] <Kilobyte> just like a + b is absolutely equal to a.+(b)

L2835[14:41:51] <g> right

L2836[14:42:05] <g> but what does must do above the comparison that's already there?

L2837[14:42:12] <CompanionCube> Temia: so

L2838[14:42:20] <CompanionCube> I found something that *does* work

L2839[14:42:21] <Temia> So.

L2840[14:42:23] <Kilobyte> it's pretty much only so it's easier to read

L2841[14:42:30] <Temia> Do tell!

L2842[14:42:32] <CompanionCube> not only does the machine hang, it also causes virtualbox to signal a critical error

L2843[14:42:41] <Temia> Ooh.

L2844[14:42:45] <Kilobyte> triple error :O

L2845[14:42:48] <Kilobyte> err

L2846[14:42:53] <g> so can I infer then that `==` does implicit casting?

L2847[14:42:54] <Kilobyte> triple fault

L2848[14:42:58] <Temia> That's pretty brokeded.

L2849[14:42:59] <Kilobyte> no

L2850[14:43:04] <CompanionCube> Temia: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/port

L2851[14:43:09] <Miyoyo> Ow

L2852[14:43:13] <Miyoyo> That's violent

L2853[14:43:19] <Kilobyte> but == is to scala what .equals() is to java

L2854[14:43:36] <CompanionCube> I think it writes random garbage to the machine's I/O ports

L2855[14:43:46] <Kilobyte> while for the java == you use .eq() or sth in scala

L2856[14:44:00] <MajGenRelativity> https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT83VR-TITAN-SLI-6th-Gen-GTX-1080-SLI.html#hero-overview

L2857[14:44:04] <MajGenRelativity> That is a thing

L2858[14:44:09] <MajGenRelativity> A $5,000 USD thing

L2859[14:44:20] <g> hm, but scala seems to also have a separate reference comparison

L2860[14:44:28] <Kilobyte> .eq()

L2861[14:44:32] <Kilobyte> or w/e it's called

L2862[14:44:37] <g> the spec shows.. `beTheSameAs`

L2863[14:45:01] <g> man, this is really confusing

L2864[14:45:01] <g> lol

L2865[14:45:23] <Kilobyte> ==== seems to basicly be (a == b && a.class() == b.class())

L2866[14:45:37] <Kilobyte> might have messed up some names there, been a while since i last used scala

L2867[14:45:39] <g> hm, okay

L2868[14:45:47] * CompanionCube looks at the logs

L2869[14:45:48] <CompanionCube> 'Guru Meditation 1155 (VINF_EM_TRIPLE_FAULT)'

L2870[14:45:52] <Kilobyte> but you get the poimt

L2871[14:45:56] <g> yeah, I get it

L2872[14:45:58] <Kilobyte> told you.

L2873[14:46:01] <g> alright, that makes sense I guess, thanks

L2874[14:46:07] <Kilobyte> sounded like a triple fault :P

L2875[14:47:33] <Kilobyte> (simply put: there are 3 stages of error: page fault (segfault), double fault (BSOD/kernel panic) and triple fault (CPU reset))

L2876[14:47:37] <CompanionCube> yep

L2877[14:47:46] <CompanionCube> you triple fault when yo

L2878[14:48:00] <CompanionCube> you triple fault when your double fault handler dies/breaks

L2879[14:48:18] <Kilobyte> if an error occurs while handling one of them, you go one stage further. well a triple fault has no software handler

L2880[14:49:39] <Kilobyte> well, there is one good thing at my job. i have gbit internet

L2881[14:49:49] <Kilobyte> and the people are nice :P

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L2885[15:09:50] <Stary> <Kilobyte> (simply put: there are 3 stages of error: page fault (segfault), double fault (BSOD/kernel panic) and triple fault (CPU reset))

L2886[15:10:05] <Stary> if you fault in your fault handler, you get a double fault

L2887[15:10:13] <Stary> if you fault in the double fault handler, reset due to triple fault

L2888[15:10:27] <Stary> usually if the first ones fails the second does too lmao

L2889[15:10:32] <Kilobyte> which is basicly exactly what i said

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L2891[15:10:50] <Kilobyte> except for the last part :P

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L2894[15:16:18] <payonel> Inari: http://i.imgur.com/OEziFGk.gif and https://i.imgur.com/YkNyjJg.gif

L2895[15:19:04] <TheFox> Hi payonel

L2896[15:19:18] <payonel> CompanionCube: i was getting guru meditation daily - then i found out that my kernel needed something compiled in, added it, been perfect since

L2897[15:19:23] <payonel> thefox o/

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L2899[15:22:12] <Inari> payonel: haha thats cute :D

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L2901[15:23:31] <payonel> gamax92: i should be able to add the oppm disk via the ocemu.cfg list, yes? and oppm install and test ?

L2902[15:23:45] <payonel> gamax92: i need to start testing my psh installation from a vanilla install

L2903[15:24:37] <payonel> TheFox: how goes rogueos?

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L2905[15:26:36] <gamax92> payonel: well, cfgemu is also a thing

L2906[15:26:43] <payonel> oh right

L2907[15:26:51] <payonel> i forget about that. thank you

L2908[15:27:24] <gamax92> been trying to work on another part of the emu that's been having issue getting to work correctly.

L2909[15:27:51] <payonel> specifically.. ?

L2910[15:32:35] <TheFox> Payonel, err, slow

L2911[15:33:11] <TheFox> I have been working more on the security code it lately then making new files

L2912[15:33:42] <payonel> TheFox: before the weekend starts i'll have an official update to openos, and (a beta version of) psh will be available via oppm

L2913[15:33:51] <payonel> TheFox: you should update and try it out :D

L2914[15:34:02] <TheFox> Awesome, I plan on trying about psh

L2915[15:34:12] <TheFox> out*

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L2917[15:48:26] <Michiyo> Testing <@124625753240240132>

L2918[15:49:06]

<Mimiru> K... so that DOES work, I don' HAVE to call the notify methods.. I just have to check the discord userlist and get their ID if "@user" exists on discord

L2919[15:50:03]

<Forecaster> nice

L2920[15:51:16] <Forecaster> so now you can highlight certain people in both irc and discord from irc

L2921[15:51:25] <Forecaster> like a certain @Vexatos

L2922[15:51:33] <Forecaster> or not D:

L2923[15:51:42] <Forecaster> dammit

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L2925[15:52:39]

<Forecaster> oh you used the id

L2926[15:52:41]

<Forecaster> :P

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L2928[15:55:03] <Michiyo> lol yes, I've not added the lookup to Corded yet

L2929[15:55:05] <Mettaton_Fab> try to download D-Touch. It's doom for android.

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L2931[15:55:17] <Michiyo> I'll look at that after I downgrade my PSU

L2932[15:55:40] <Michiyo> But if it works, you'll be able to @Forecaster and it'll ping you on Discord

L2933[15:55:49] <Forecaster> neat

L2934[15:56:07] <Michiyo> cause when it finds a @bleh, it'll check the discord userlist for "bleh" and if it finds that it'll grab the ID and do <@BLEHID>

L2935[15:56:23] <Forecaster> and if someone doesn't want that they can mute corded on discord

L2936[15:56:37] <Forecaster> getting highlighted from irc that is

L2937[15:56:41] <Michiyo> yeah

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L2939[15:57:05] <Forecaster> altough that probably wont happen by accident :P

L2940[15:57:17] <Kilobyte> why is everyone using discord anyways?

L2941[15:57:18] <Michiyo> And hopefully... we don't have 2 people named the same on Discord.. :p

L2942[15:57:26] <Michiyo> Why not?

L2943[15:57:37] <Kilobyte> i don't see the advantage over irc

L2944[15:57:41] <Forecaster> I use it when I'm on my phone

L2945[15:57:52]

<Mimiru> I use it on my phone/tablet

L2946[15:57:54] <Kilobyte> except that there are not by far as many different clients

L2947[15:58:10] <Kilobyte> thats actually the only place where i can somewhat understand it :P

L2948[15:58:12] <Forecaster> there's exactly one :P

L2949[15:58:18]

<Mimiru> Yeah.. the discord client is actually GOOD on mobile.. unlike 99% of the IRC clients out there

L2950[15:58:29] <Forecaster> I use an ssh client but yeah

L2951[15:58:40] <Kilobyte> yeah, i do actually wish there was a better irc client for android

L2952[15:58:53] * vifino intensively stares at ds84182

L2953[15:58:57] <Forecaster> it's also handy when I'm at school

L2954[15:59:03] <Forecaster> since they're now blocking most ports

L2955[15:59:14] <vifino> ds84182 was making one that looked damn sexy.

L2956[15:59:27] <Kilobyte> you are lucky that your school provides wifi at all

L2957[15:59:37] <Kilobyte> my school only had wifi for the teachers

L2958[15:59:48] <Forecaster> not really

L2959[15:59:51] <Forecaster> it's a necessity

L2960[15:59:54] <Kilobyte> and then the password leaked and they ran out of ip addresses...

L2961[16:00:01] <TheFox> Hello forecaster

L2962[16:00:03] <Kilobyte> because they only used a /24

L2963[16:00:28] <Forecaster> we have multiple networks

L2964[16:00:40] <Forecaster> hi the fox

L2965[16:00:45] <Kilobyte> just use a /16 in the 10.* range

L2966[16:00:58] <Forecaster> they're for different things

L2967[16:01:06] <Kilobyte> and maybe 2 vlans for students vs teachers

L2968[16:01:34] <Forecaster> there's a low speed guest network, a higher speed "class network" for the school laptops, and a couple of staff networks

L2969[16:01:44] <Forecaster> all of them are password protected

L2970[16:02:07] <Kilobyte> but then again, our school, while having some competent students never had any competent admins

L2971[16:02:19] <Kilobyte> (i am no longer at school, so technically i don't care)

L2972[16:02:21] <TheFox> I hate it when the pass protect guest Networks

L2973[16:02:36] <Kilobyte> admin stuff at school works best when done by students

L2974[16:02:41] <Forecaster> it's so people can't access it from outside of the building

L2975[16:02:45] <Kilobyte> with one supervising teacher

L2976[16:02:51] <Forecaster> the password is readily avaliable inside

L2977[16:03:02] <Kilobyte> no wpa enterprise?

L2978[16:03:25] <Forecaster> what?

L2979[16:03:37] <Kilobyte> where every user has their own username + password...

L2980[16:03:45] <Forecaster> oh, no

L2981[16:03:53] <Forecaster> that would be way too much work to keep track of

L2982[16:03:53] <Kilobyte> it's not officially called enterprise, but i can't be arsed remembering the exact standard

L2983[16:04:43] <Lizzy> WPA2 RADIUS possibly?

L2984[16:05:19] <Michiyo> radius is nice

L2985[16:05:28] <Forecaster> meh, not my problem what they do :P

L2986[16:06:04] <Kilobyte> bonus for you: if you do shit it's harder to track you down

L2987[16:06:07] <Kilobyte> if not impossible

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L2989[16:06:33] <Forecaster> pretty much impossible, although the computers might be id'able

L2990[16:07:11] <Kilobyte> yeah, but with your own device + changed mac address? :P

L2991[16:07:23] <Forecaster> with my phone I can do whatever

L2992[16:07:27] <Forecaster> :P

L2993[16:07:31] <gamax92> o.o why do I have so much lag.

L2994[16:07:36] <Kilobyte> phone or laptop

L2995[16:07:38] <Forecaster> gremlins.

L2996[16:07:50] <Forecaster> I don't have my own laptop unfortunately

L2997[16:07:56] <Kilobyte> thats a shame

L2998[16:07:58] <Forecaster> well, I'm kind of on one right now

L2999[16:08:04] <Forecaster> but it's useful to bring anywhere

L3000[16:08:11] <Forecaster> part of the keyboard is broken

L3001[16:08:12] <Kilobyte> brick edition?

L3002[16:08:20] <Kilobyte> ah okay

L3003[16:08:28] <Forecaster> I use it for my camera feed and irc :P

L3004[16:08:38] <Forecaster> via remote control from my main computer

L3005[16:08:46] <Forecaster> just using the screen basically

L3006[16:08:53] <Kilobyte> aka ssh? :P

L3007[16:08:56] * Lizzy curls up on vifino and falls asleep

L3008[16:08:59] <Forecaster> no

L3009[16:09:08] * vifino picks up Lizzy and carries her to bed

L3010[16:09:10] <Forecaster> Multiplicity EdgeRunner

L3011[16:09:20] <Kilobyte> never heard of that

L3012[16:09:52] <Forecaster> I tore the ribbon cable to the keyboard while doing some repairs one day

L3013[16:10:11] <Kilobyte> you are doing great

L3014[16:10:28] <Forecaster> it was years ago now

L3015[16:10:42] <Miyoyo> Does the PS4 have an irc client

L3016[16:10:43] <Miyoyo> like

L3017[16:10:45] <Miyoyo> seriously

L3018[16:10:52] <Kilobyte> idk :D

L3019[16:11:18] <payonel> TheFox: psh has a service layer, pshd. compatible with rc: `rc pshd [start|stop|status|enable|disable]`

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L3021[16:12:07] <payonel> the rc service registers an listener -- i wouldn't really consider that "always running", but it works without any extra cost to the host machine. spins up a session when a client connects

L3022[16:12:08] <Michiyo> Miyoyo, webchat? :P

L3023[16:12:17] <Miyoyo> That doesn't count :/

L3024[16:12:23] <Forecaster> the laptop is an even older school laptop by the way

L3025[16:12:28] <Forecaster> I havne't paid a cent for it

L3026[16:12:33] <Forecaster> haven't*

L3027[16:12:47] <Miyoyo> Well I guess on Xbone UWP is javascript so Xbone doesn't count either

L3028[16:12:51] <Kilobyte> Forecaster: specs?

L3029[16:12:56] <payonel> TheFox: how to update openos without updating opencomputers? you can replace the assets/opencomputers/loot/openos dir inside the jar (jars are zips)

L3030[16:12:58] <Forecaster> uh

L3031[16:13:06] <payonel> TheFox: that'll update the "openos loot disk" inside the game

L3032[16:13:18] <Miyoyo> Or just push an update to openos

L3033[16:13:24] <Miyoyo> opencomputers*

L3034[16:13:28] <Miyoyo> or implement OTA

L3035[16:13:43] <Forecaster> Kilobyte: it's a lenovo thinkpad T60

L3036[16:13:49] <Miyoyo> Could OTA be possible in java?

L3037[16:13:59] <Kilobyte> thinkpads are great :P

L3038[16:14:23] <Miyoyo> Nice pentium

L3039[16:14:29] <Miyoyo> Or centrino

L3040[16:14:33] <Miyoyo> depends on the submodel

L3041[16:14:35] <Kilobyte> that one might the the one my mother has as her current computer xD

L3042[16:14:51] <Kilobyte> shittier than my old laptop

L3043[16:15:29] <Miyoyo> No but seriously can you implement java OTA

L3044[16:15:42] <Miyoyo> Because that would be fucking NEATO

L3045[16:15:54] <Forecaster> the T60 is really old :P

L3046[16:15:57] <Kilobyte> why would you

L3047[16:16:18] <Kilobyte> Forecaster: yes, i took a look at it

L3048[16:16:23] <Kilobyte> but it's rock solid

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L3050[16:16:35] <payonel> Miyoyo: over the air updating software? is that what you're referring to?

L3051[16:16:38] <Forecaster> but busted keyboard + lan port

L3052[16:16:40] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L3053[16:16:54] <Kilobyte> you can throw it against a wall and you have to worry more about the wall than the laptop... pretty much

L3054[16:17:05] <Forecaster> haha well

L3055[16:17:17] <Miyoyo> Like, make an OC folder inside of the mods folder, and put all zipped floppies inside

L3056[16:17:17] <Forecaster> there was actually an issue with these when they came out

L3057[16:17:34] <Forecaster> the bottom part of the screen would break on a lot of them

L3058[16:17:35] <Miyoyo> That way this would even enable server admins to make their own floppies

L3059[16:17:41] <Miyoyo> If it's even possible

L3060[16:17:42] <Forecaster> it was a common problem at school

L3061[16:17:48] <Forecaster> at the school I went to then

L3062[16:17:49] <Kilobyte> hmm

L3063[16:17:56] <Forecaster> they had to replace the screens on a ton of them

L3064[16:18:04] <Kilobyte> that kinda sucks

L3065[16:18:04] <Forecaster> heat damage or something I think

L3066[16:18:19] <Kilobyte> was that before or after lenovo started making them

L3067[16:18:29] <Forecaster> I dunno

L3068[16:18:34] <Forecaster> this says IBM on it

L3069[16:18:45] <payonel> Miyoyo: it could be done

L3070[16:18:49] <Forecaster> actually it says lenovo too

L3071[16:19:03] <Kilobyte> apparently it was after

L3072[16:19:11] <Kilobyte> so no, not same laptop as my mum prob

L3073[16:19:17] <Miyoyo> But yeah I'm pretty shit at java so don't ask me

L3074[16:19:23] <Kilobyte> hers is fully IBM still

L3075[16:19:47] <Kilobyte> Miyoyo: don't be ashamed of that, java isn't really that exciting

L3076[16:19:57] <Kilobyte> it does it's job, not more, not less

L3077[16:20:01] <Miyoyo> I saw kotlin

L3078[16:20:03] <Miyoyo> it was neat

L3079[16:20:11] <Miyoyo> but meh still not captivated

L3080[16:20:13] <Kilobyte> kotlin is okay, has some nice ideas

L3081[16:20:21] <Kilobyte> i personally prefer scala though

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L3083[16:20:31] <Kilobyte> if i have to use the jvm

L3084[16:20:34] <Miyoyo> I'd prefer for my programs to run in LLVM, or just no VM at all

L3085[16:20:53] <Kilobyte> yeah, i recently use rust a lot

L3086[16:21:10] <Kilobyte> which basicly runs on without any runtime

L3087[16:21:15] <Kilobyte> and certainly no vm

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L3090[16:26:58] <GreaseMonkey> Skye: if you want 3.1, erm, try vetusware ;) the 3.1 CD is probably your best bet at the moment, although the floppies w/o the serial number could also be worth a look

L3091[16:27:17] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: why not winworldpc

L3092[16:27:29] <GreaseMonkey> i just happen to know this site ok?

L3093[16:27:30] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, I have a 3.0 disk set. it's rarer

L3094[16:27:52] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, vetusware? wow... I used that years ago...

L3095[16:27:52] <GreaseMonkey> oh hey on the OS Win3.x section they have WinG 1.0

L3096[16:32:03] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, I remember vetusware. :P I used it once to get windows 3.11.

L3097[16:32:16] <GreaseMonkey> now you can use it to get windows 3.1-not-1

L3098[16:33:56] <Skye> I like having the real disks, though

L3099[16:34:17] <GreaseMonkey> understandable

L3100[16:34:55] <Kilobyte> i do have some for 3.11

L3101[16:35:02] <Kilobyte> won't give them out though

L3102[16:35:13] <Kilobyte> i wouldn't mind imaging them though

L3103[16:35:24] <Kilobyte> should do that in any case

L3104[16:35:38] <Kilobyte> before our last 2 computers with floppy drives stop working

L3105[16:36:27] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, fun fact: you can run windows 3.0 real mode (low memory) in windows 3.0 real mode (high memory) in windows 3.0 enchanced mode (386)

L3106[16:36:38] <GreaseMonkey> oh nice

L3107[16:36:55] <GreaseMonkey> you've just demonstrated that windows 3.0 is the best windows yet

L3108[16:37:17] <Kilobyte> and it didn't spy on you!

L3109[16:37:20] <GreaseMonkey> furthermore, you've also demonstrated that it has well and truly earnt the right to be called windows 3

L3110[16:37:53] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, I have a book about windows 3.1 internals

L3111[16:38:05] <GreaseMonkey> you are *also* reminding me of that thread on 4chan where someone installed windows 2000 in a VM and pimped the shit out of it

L3112[16:38:27] <GreaseMonkey> and then tried to install various versions of windows before it... then various versions of windows after it

L3113[16:38:47] <GreaseMonkey> i think windows 7 got to the boot screen but no further, although i believe windows xp managed to run in a vm on windows 2000

L3114[16:39:35] <Skye> windows xp is basically a shiny version of 2000

L3115[16:39:50] <TheFox> Ahhhhhhhh! Windows 2000 was mentioned! My second worst experience before I quit using Windows

L3116[16:40:17] <Kilobyte> 2000 was actually okay

L3117[16:40:19] <GreaseMonkey> win2k was actually one of the good versions

L3118[16:40:20] <Kilobyte> ME was much worse

L3119[16:40:28] <Skye> what was your worst experience? Windows ME?

L3120[16:40:38] <GreaseMonkey> the only issue i ever had with ME was you couldn't reboot to DOS mode and you couldn't allocate any EMS for a DOS program

L3121[16:40:43] <Kilobyte> the every second windows is okay rule still applies

L3122[16:40:43] <GreaseMonkey> and i was using impulsetracker

L3123[16:40:57] <TheFox> Skye wort experience was 95

L3124[16:41:00] <GreaseMonkey> 2k was OK, ME was... OK for me but shit for a lot of people

L3125[16:41:00] <Kilobyte> 2000 - xp - 7 - 9 (which did not exist)

L3126[16:41:10] <GreaseMonkey> Kilobyte: nailed it

L3127[16:41:14] <Kilobyte> while ME, vista, 8(.1) and 10 are shit

L3128[16:41:20] <Miyoyo> I'm too young to remember 98 :/

L3129[16:41:29] <GreaseMonkey> it kinda breaks between 98SE and 2k though

L3130[16:41:38] <GreaseMonkey> there must've been a nonexistant shit version between them

L3131[16:41:46] <GreaseMonkey> wait, i've got it, it DOES exist

L3132[16:41:49] <TheFox> Actually 9í was my second worst, 2000 was my third

L3133[16:41:50] <Miyoyo> The furthest I can remember is XP :(

L3134[16:41:50] <GreaseMonkey> the gateway OEM version of 98SE

L3135[16:41:58] <GreaseMonkey> that was the crashiest pile of shit i have EVER used

L3136[16:42:03] <GreaseMonkey> had to reinstall it about 7 times

L3137[16:42:09] <Kilobyte> oh god don't remind me of that

L3138[16:42:19] <GreaseMonkey> that is the bad windows between 98SE and 2k

L3139[16:42:24] <Skye> we should make our own version of windows

L3140[16:42:30] <GreaseMonkey> with blackjack and hookers

L3141[16:42:32] <Kilobyte> admittedly, when i tried to use it, xp was current

L3142[16:42:33] <Skye> frankenstiendows

L3143[16:42:38] <Kilobyte> but the hardware was too shit for it

L3144[16:42:52] <Skye> Kilobyte, I ran windows xp on a pentium MMX

L3145[16:42:52] <GreaseMonkey> 95 was great, and also the only windows that let you use pannable desktops

L3146[16:42:59] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, njn

L3147[16:43:00] <Kilobyte> when windows 98 was released i was fucking 2 years old, so :P

L3148[16:43:01] <GreaseMonkey> as in desktops bigger than the screen

L3149[16:43:08] <Skye> s/njn/huh?

L3150[16:43:08] <MichiBot> <Skye> GreaseMonkey, huh?

L3151[16:43:29] <GreaseMonkey> if you're wondering why i'm saying 95 was great and 98 was meh... active desktop

L3152[16:43:45] <Kilobyte> my memories of 95 are very faded

L3153[16:44:02] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, use windows 98SE with 95 shell

L3154[16:44:06] <Kilobyte> and between 98SE and 2000 i haven't used any windows at all

L3155[16:44:17] <GreaseMonkey> Skye: ok, you've sold me on that one

L3156[16:44:32] <Miyoyo> I've never used ME

L3157[16:44:37] <Miyoyo> But i head it was a shit

L3158[16:44:39] <GreaseMonkey> i think prior to 95 the good-bad-alternation rule breaks

L3159[16:44:47] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, we;;

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L3161[16:45:00] <GreaseMonkey> because whoever spotted that rule probably never used 3.x or earlier

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L3163[16:45:13] <GreaseMonkey> (i've used 3.1 and 3.11WG, and didn't really notice any diff)

L3164[16:45:19] <GreaseMonkey> (other than the "1 FOR WORKGROUPS")

L3165[16:45:33] <GreaseMonkey> windows 3.x had some great games for it too

L3166[16:46:21] <Miyoyo> Well m$ tried a lot of things in windows' early days

L3167[16:46:34] <GreaseMonkey> "m$" now that brings back memories

L3168[16:46:41] <Miyoyo> Now they either don't try or just straight up do shit

L3169[16:47:14] <GreaseMonkey> windows phone: it had the potential to be great, but they thought they could just walk in and be apple

L3170[16:47:37] <Miyoyo> And make people pay to use their shit OS

L3171[16:47:43] <Skye> it was: bad okayish better better good quite good good-but-crashy bad-because-ie horrible good not-good good bad less bad good-but-it-spies-on-you

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L3173[16:47:56] <Miyoyo> WinCE was neat

L3174[16:47:59] <SF-MC> o/

L3175[16:48:02] <TheFox> Hello sf-mc

L3176[16:48:06] <Miyoyo> Hey SC-MF

L3177[16:48:23] <SF-MC> Sora Craft - MineFirestorm?

L3178[16:48:29] <SF-MC> sure

L3179[16:48:29] <Miyoyo> Exactly.

L3180[16:48:37] <GreaseMonkey> oh yeah also the rule seems to break when you factor in windows NT

L3181[16:48:37] <Miyoyo> I have an HP pocket Pc with windows CE

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L3183[16:48:54] <Miyoyo> Well

L3184[16:48:57] <Miyoyo> HAD pocket PC

L3185[16:49:01] <GreaseMonkey> windows NT 4: few non-corporates used it, but it had the best startup sound

L3186[16:49:02] <SF-MC> sooo

L3187[16:49:15] <SF-MC> I have a world with ProjectE

L3188[16:49:17] <Miyoyo> until it literally overwrote everything on it's NAND when I was copying a text file

L3189[16:49:30] <SF-MC> aaand I've got tons of EMC and am the most powerful entity in the omniverse

L3190[16:49:36] <SF-MC> what should I do with my limitless power?

L3191[16:49:44] <Miyoyo> The nand looks like "Fichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essaiFichier D'essai[etc]"

L3192[16:50:00] <Miyoyo> Because I was copying a file and for some reason it overwrote itself

L3193[16:50:08] <Kilobyte> i still have good memories of the 95 startup sound

L3194[16:50:12] <GreaseMonkey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVYHI1eV1MU if you haven't heard it, it's used in the 98 and maybe the 95 installer when you run it from an earlier version of the OS

L3195[16:50:13] <MichiBot> Windows NT 4.0 Startup Sound | length: 12s | Likes: 28 Dislikes: 1 Views: 7581 | by winhistoryDE

L3196[16:50:23] <SF-MC> 95's sound was prety good

L3197[16:50:35] <GreaseMonkey> just that pitch bend up at the end makes it

L3198[16:50:49] <GreaseMonkey> it's like "woah fuck i am BEING SUCKED INTO THE FUTURE"

L3199[16:51:10] <SF-MC> eh, wasn't that good

L3200[16:51:12] <Miyoyo> The power down sound was also pretty sweet

L3201[16:51:32] <Skye> Windows 95's startup sound is by Brian Eno

L3202[16:52:06] <SF-MC> wow

L3203[16:52:26] <SF-MC> 2 zombies with FTA light sword thingies in quick succession

L3204[16:52:32] <Kilobyte> tbh, i wouldn't mind that as startup sound for my pc - if it had one

L3205[16:52:52] <SF-MC> my login is boring too

L3206[16:52:55] <Miyoyo> Who remember vista's power down sound?

L3207[16:52:58] <Miyoyo> I don't

L3208[16:53:00] <SF-MC> I could fix that if I really felt like it

L3209[16:53:02] <Kilobyte> neither :P

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L3211[16:53:05] <Stary> me

L3212[16:53:07] <Stary> i had vista

L3213[16:53:07] <SF-MC> Proudly never had a Vista

L3214[16:53:11] <Stary> bad times

L3215[16:53:15] <Kilobyte> i do remember it's bootup sound

L3216[16:53:33] <Kilobyte> Stary: my grandpa had it until he got a new computer with w10 a month ago

L3217[16:53:36] <Kilobyte> that was fun...

L3218[16:54:13] <Miyoyo> For some reason

L3219[16:54:15] <Miyoyo> I have something

L3220[16:54:18] <Miyoyo> REALLY specific

L3221[16:54:21] <Miyoyo> as my UAC sound

L3222[16:54:22] <Miyoyo> like

L3223[16:54:24] <Miyoyo> if you can guess it

L3224[16:54:27] <Miyoyo> you're god

L3225[16:54:31] <Miyoyo> I will help you

L3226[16:54:34] <Miyoyo> Zelda wind waker

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L3228[16:54:36] <Kilobyte> a computer exploding?

L3229[16:54:38] <Miyoyo> Guess what sound

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L3231[16:54:46] zsh sets mode: +v on Cazzar

L3232[16:55:07] * Michiyo removes Miyoyo's enter key

L3233[16:55:26] * GreaseMonkey removes Miyoyo's return key just in case

L3234[16:55:30] <Miyoyo> Virtual keyboard m8

L3235[16:55:35] * Michiyo removes Miyoyo's computer

L3236[16:55:36] <TheFox> Hi michiyo

L3237[16:55:36] <Miyoyo> it works

L3238[16:55:46] <Michiyo> Hi..

L3239[16:55:49] * GreaseMonkey removes Miyoyo's phone

L3240[16:55:57] * Miyoyo quits "Computer has been removed, Phone has been removed"

L3241[16:56:04] <SF-MC> so now I'm confused

L3242[16:56:05] <Kilobyte> Michiyo: there is this thing called PoE - the 230V standard

L3243[16:56:07] <Miyoyo> Wait I'm not on both of these

L3244[16:56:14] <SF-MC> Miyoyo != Michiyo ?

L3245[16:56:20] <GreaseMonkey> would anyone here agree with me that the windows 3.1 program manager is bloatware?

L3246[16:56:21] <Michiyo> No..

L3247[16:56:23] <Michiyo> Gods no.

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L3249[16:56:24] <Miyoyo> I'm a belgian younglet

L3250[16:56:25] <SF-MC> name is too similar

L3251[16:56:32] <Michiyo> If I was EVER that annoying I'd wish for someone to shoot me.

L3252[16:56:35] <GreaseMonkey> sure, it's about 1/40 of the size of a "small" unity game

L3253[16:56:35] <Michiyo> :D

L3254[16:56:35] <Miyoyo> He's an admin that doesn't like jokes and loudmouths

L3255[16:56:40] <Miyoyo> :D

L3256[16:56:52] <GreaseMonkey> BUT file manager is about 1/3 of the size of progman and works fine as a windows shell

L3257[16:56:59] <SF-MC> but IIRC Michiyo is a gurl

L3258[16:57:01] <Kilobyte> GreaseMonkey: a 40th, thats fucking huge

L3259[16:57:24] <Michiyo> I'm atleast 86% female. :P

L3260[16:57:26] <Kilobyte> i'd have expected a 100th

L3261[16:57:42] <Kilobyte> very specific number

L3262[16:57:44] <SF-MC> I don't want to know :P

L3263[16:57:45] <GreaseMonkey> thing is, if you're trying to fit a subset of windows 3.1 onto a bootable floppy disk you'll notice that one of the biggest savings is getting rid of progman

L3264[16:57:52] <Miyoyo> I'm pretty sure I have a chromosome here or there, maybe one Y I'm not sure

L3265[16:57:56] <GreaseMonkey> another is skipping on win.com

L3266[16:58:03] <CompanionCube> I still have a vista

L3267[16:58:10] <GreaseMonkey> you want to use dosx.exe to start it instead

L3268[16:58:15] <CompanionCube> this box came with vista

L3269[16:58:27] <Kilobyte> CompanionCube: easy fix

L3270[16:58:34] <GreaseMonkey> win386.exe has far too many checks though so if you want 386 mode you'll want to steal the dosx.exe from the win95/win98 installer

L3271[16:58:38] <Kilobyte> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda

L3272[16:58:50] <GreaseMonkey> next piece of bloatware: himem.sys - replace it with xmsmmgr.com from one of those installers

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L3274[16:59:13] <Kilobyte> back when windows was modular enough to be hackable...

L3275[16:59:16] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, win386.exe is a dos extender

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L3277[16:59:17] <GreaseMonkey> yes, i just called four things which are still a shitload smaller than any unity game "bloatware"

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L3279[16:59:36] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, write your own 386 dos extender

L3280[16:59:38] <GreaseMonkey> Skye: so is dosx.exe, except win386.exe does far too many checks and requires you to suck in a lot of things you don't actually need

L3281[16:59:45] <GreaseMonkey> also dosx exists and works fine

L3282[17:00:13] <TheFox> Why go after unity? I am working on something in unity and I haven't passed 500 mb yet

L3283[17:00:23] <Kilobyte> 500 mb... thats huge

L3284[17:00:27] <GreaseMonkey> because it's a good baseline comparison for any bloatware

L3285[17:00:46] <Kilobyte> thats more than my system uses ram in idle

L3286[17:00:53] <TheFox> Yeah, but it's smaller then most of the games from other engines

L3287[17:01:01] <SF-MC> Kilobyte: what kind of system do you have?

L3288[17:01:03] <GreaseMonkey> games i make tend to fit on a floppy disk

L3289[17:01:09] <SF-MC> I use ~500 at idle...

L3290[17:01:13] <Kilobyte> arch linux with i3 as window manager

L3291[17:01:19] <Kilobyte> let me actually try

L3292[17:01:27] <SF-MC> Fedora, currently using awesomewm

L3293[17:01:31] <GreaseMonkey> seriously, 20MB is still big for a simple game

L3294[17:01:53] <Miyoyo> We're talking about unity here

L3295[17:02:03] <Skye> GreaseMonkey, do you know how to code dos extenders?

L3296[17:02:03] <Skye> :P

L3297[17:02:04] <GreaseMonkey> 500MB is big for a unity game too

L3298[17:02:05] <SF-MC> point stands

L3299[17:02:07] <GreaseMonkey> Skye: nope

L3300[17:02:23] <GreaseMonkey> and 60GB is completely unacceptable for any game

L3301[17:02:31] <TheFox> Greasemonkey so the 1gb demo must be huge then huh

L3302[17:02:35] <GreaseMonkey> that's right rockstar, learn to compression you incompetent fuckwads

L3303[17:02:48] <TheFox> ^&&&

L3304[17:02:49] <GreaseMonkey> TheFox: yes, 1GB for a tech demo is complete fucking bloatware

L3305[17:02:51] <SF-MC> binary only compresses so well though

L3306[17:02:55] <GreaseMonkey> not even fairlight goes that high

L3307[17:02:57] <Kilobyte> just checked, my system uses around 330 MB idle

L3308[17:03:08] <SF-MC> Kilobyte: ah, alright

L3309[17:03:08] <GreaseMonkey> SF-MC: that's why you pick better data structures

L3310[17:03:28] <Kilobyte> actually more than i expected

L3311[17:03:39] <SF-MC> data structures for what?

L3312[17:03:49] <GreaseMonkey> honestly, devs who shit out 10GB+ games need to be visited during the night by old naughty dog devs and have most of the RAM ripped out of their PCs

L3313[17:03:58] <SF-MC> lol

L3314[17:04:18] <GreaseMonkey> use data structures that will result in your game actually being an even slightly acceptable size

L3315[17:04:30] <TheFox> So, if you are going after unity that means you have a better engine, please do tell, unity is a huge studio, so trying smaller then 7gb would be likeable

L3316[17:04:33] <Kilobyte> also, if your compression algorithm knows how your format works, it gets a lot easier

L3317[17:04:38] <TheFox> Source sucks

L3318[17:04:59] <GreaseMonkey> TheFox: game maker 4.2a still produces smaller binaries

L3319[17:04:59] <SF-MC> part of the problem is that Windows people have trash compressors

L3320[17:05:12] <SF-MC> > 4.2a

L3321[17:05:19] <SF-MC> last time I used game maker

L3322[17:05:19] <GreaseMonkey> well it's free

L3323[17:05:22] <Kilobyte> gzip should be cross platform

L3324[17:05:23] <SF-MC> it was at 8

L3325[17:05:37] <Kilobyte> and gzip is pretty good

L3326[17:05:39] <GreaseMonkey> but seriously if you write your own engine, you can easily get it under 20MB

L3327[17:05:41] <SF-MC> Kilobyte: ought to use bzip2 or xzip instead

L3328[17:05:45] <GreaseMonkey> Kilobyte: it IS cross-platform

L3329[17:06:15] <SF-MC> but a lot of Windows people aren't aware that things other than zip exists

L3330[17:06:18] <GreaseMonkey> it probably even has a GUI somewhere which is what a lot of windows users use as a baseline for what "cross-platform" means

L3331[17:06:20] <Kilobyte> you can also use lzma which is optimized for small size and fast decompression speed

L3332[17:06:28] <Kilobyte> (sacrificing compression speed)

L3333[17:06:29] <GreaseMonkey> well, zip uses the same compression

L3334[17:06:32] <SF-MC> that's the only ****ing thing Windows can do by default

L3335[17:06:57] <Kilobyte> if you use it internally it doesn't matter

L3336[17:07:13] <SF-MC> what I'm saying is:

L3337[17:07:13] <Kilobyte> just ship a library for the decompression with your game

L3338[17:07:18] <SF-MC> Windows developers aren't that smart

L3339[17:07:22] <SF-MC> on average

L3340[17:07:25] <payonel> :/

L3341[17:07:26] <Kilobyte> that might be another story

L3342[17:07:30] * payonel used to work for msft

L3343[17:07:32] <payonel> :)

L3344[17:07:37] <SF-MC> > used to

L3345[17:07:39] * Temia looks at her Sky Eraser download. 6MBs and most of that is the audio and Python library.

L3346[17:07:39] <SF-MC> so you're fine

L3347[17:07:55] <Temia> Even if I rewrite a whole lot of it, it's probably not getting much bigger.

L3348[17:07:55] <GreaseMonkey> ah yes, even python can be stripped down to about 3MB

L3349[17:08:12] <Kilobyte> and then my client randomly hung up

L3350[17:08:12] <GreaseMonkey> the way i do it is i rip out the base libs and slowly add them in as needed

L3351[17:08:23] <Miyoyo> Payonel what did you do at m$?

L3352[17:08:45] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: write a program to nop out stuff so that it's large areas of easilly compressible data

L3353[17:08:48] <GreaseMonkey> the fact that payonel called it msft would suggest this story is believable

L3354[17:08:55] <Kilobyte> i once talked to a dev of IE. he used firefox in his free time

L3355[17:08:56] <Kilobyte> best irony ever

L3356[17:09:07] <SF-MC> Kilobyte: first hand knowledge of how trash IE is

L3357[17:09:12] <SF-MC> no surprise :P

L3358[17:09:13] <Kilobyte> yup

L3359[17:09:21] <payonel> i worked on the 2d graphics engine team. the underlying dlls that are used by the window aero effects for window bordering, used by window photo gallery and image effects, thumbnails, office image effects, etc

L3360[17:09:21] <GreaseMonkey> gamax92: alternatively use LTO w/ LTO-enabled libs and let the compiler do it for you

L3361[17:09:31] <Miyoyo> Neat

L3362[17:09:31] <GreaseMonkey> no nops necessary

L3363[17:09:40] <gamax92> hard if you lack source code

L3364[17:09:55] <Skye> payonel, so you worked on the shiny stuff that was ripped out in windows 8?

L3365[17:09:58] <GreaseMonkey> also you usually don't compress your code, your data is usually the biggest thing you have

L3366[17:10:10] <GreaseMonkey> so if anything you'll want *more* code rather than less just so you can have much less data

L3367[17:10:32] <Kilobyte> last i heard, M$ internal UI shit was biggest cancer ever

L3368[17:10:33] <SF-MC> but instruction cache

L3369[17:10:40] <payonel> Skye: the shiny stuff used our library, yes. they stopped using it, but it is still used by many parts of windows. e.g. thumbnails and photo gallery and office

L3370[17:10:59] <GreaseMonkey> i usually don't care that much about the instruction cache as that usually isn't the issue

L3371[17:11:00] <Skye> who do you work for now? :P

L3372[17:11:08] <Kilobyte> no job for me :D

L3373[17:11:13] <payonel> Skye: remember Thumbs.db ? our 2d engine was a replacement for that

L3374[17:11:27] <Kilobyte> i do software that works. not that looks pretty

L3375[17:11:29] <Skye> payonel, ohhh

L3376[17:11:35] <Miyoyo> Tell me, how horrible is it to dev for NT?

L3377[17:11:39] <SF-MC> yes

L3378[17:11:50] <SF-MC> but I'm really biased that way

L3379[17:11:58] <payonel> Skye: i work in video encoding, compression, and repackaging

L3380[17:12:02] <Kilobyte> last time i looked at the winapi i wanted to shoot myself

L3381[17:12:03] <GreaseMonkey> Kilobyte: from what i gather, enterprise is all about doing software that does what the client does, made as quickly as possible

L3382[17:12:09] <SF-MC> tools are trash

L3383[17:12:10] <Kilobyte> payonel: that sounds interesting

L3384[17:12:15] <SF-MC> Their C compiler is C89

L3385[17:12:21] <GreaseMonkey> s/client does/client wants/

L3386[17:12:21] <MichiBot> <GreaseMonkey> Kilobyte: from what i gather, enterprise is all about doing software that does what the client wants, made as quickly as possible

L3387[17:12:22] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/kXBD83W.gif

L3388[17:12:41] <GreaseMonkey> i hear that MSVC is starting to move to clang

L3389[17:12:48] <Kilobyte> lol

L3390[17:13:11] <GreaseMonkey> considering that clang/llvm can produce output that the MS linker uses, it makes a lot of sense

L3391[17:13:30] <GreaseMonkey> also clang+llvm is the best damn compiler setup you can ever have, really

L3392[17:13:31] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: iirc the actual 'NT' bits of Windows are decent

L3393[17:13:36] <GreaseMonkey> it auto-SIMDs stuff

L3394[17:13:41] <Miyoyo> Well I guess having a shit kernel is bad

L3395[17:13:42] <Kilobyte> the kernel is okay

L3396[17:13:50] <Kilobyte> its also pretty fast

L3397[17:13:50] <Miyoyo> So what is shit

L3398[17:13:52] <payonel> Kilobyte: it is interesting. to be honest, im happy here mostly because of the people, and that it is c++ and linux

L3399[17:13:54] <Miyoyo> the toplevel stuff?

L3400[17:13:57] <payonel> those are 3 big pluses for me

L3401[17:14:11] <Kilobyte> there is only one kernel which is faster than NT. and thats linux

L3402[17:14:13] <Kilobyte> from what i know

L3403[17:14:16] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: iirc most of the garbage is in the Win32 API

L3404[17:14:23] <Miyoyo> Huh

L3405[17:14:27] <GreaseMonkey> Kilobyte: not necessarily, you're basically just listening to fanatics

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L3407[17:14:42] <SF-MC> I kinda refuse to believe that the NT kernel has decent perf *period*

L3408[17:14:43] <Kilobyte> i haven't done my own checking

L3409[17:14:46] <GreaseMonkey> i'd say the kernel speed diffs are negligible unless you tune stuff

L3410[17:14:50] <SF-MC> the rest of the system is total trash

L3411[17:15:20] <Kilobyte> i am not saying it makes a lot of difference :P

L3412[17:15:25] <Kilobyte> not the kernel part at least

L3413[17:15:37] <CompanionCube> I wonder if any of the goodness of the kernel comes from the seemingly well-architected hybrid design

L3414[17:15:49] <Kilobyte> that windows comes with a lot of bloatware which you can't really get rid of (like the entire GUI) is another story

L3415[17:16:17] <Kilobyte> CompanionCube: its so old, microsoft still cared about quality back then

L3416[17:16:22] <Kilobyte> is my guess

L3417[17:16:24] <SF-MC> NT as a whole would be better served if M$ went "**** it" and started the hell over

L3418[17:16:39] <SF-MC> no backward compat except in trivial cases

L3419[17:16:50] <SF-MC> then most of the internal cruft would go 'poof'

L3420[17:16:52] <Kilobyte> i am not too sure about that one, judging by what former m$ devs have said about windows 10...

L3421[17:16:54] <payonel> SF-MC: that was where nt was trying to go

L3422[17:17:08] <SF-MC> trying being the keyword

L3423[17:17:09] *** g is now known as gAway2002

L3424[17:17:44] <payonel> SF-MC: money stopped them. far too many enormous corporations wouldn't buy it unless it supported xyz

L3425[17:18:02] <SF-MC> classic M$ move

L3426[17:18:08] <SF-MC> money money money

L3427[17:18:16] <Temia> That's pretty much any business move.

L3428[17:18:18] <payonel> yes, that's usually what fuels industry

L3429[17:18:23] <SF-MC> not like them though

L3430[17:18:29] <Temia> Yes like them.

L3431[17:18:43] <Temia> Have you seen the way corporations bend over backwards for their stockholders?

L3432[17:18:58] <SF-MC> I have no love for convicted monopolists

L3433[17:19:19] <Temia> "Money money money" is the way things are in publicly-traded companies because you'd get sued and thrown out of your own company if you tried not to be.

L3434[17:19:24] <payonel> well, paint me an apologist, but i did not agree with that conviction

L3435[17:19:39] <Temia> Sick fact of the world.

L3436[17:19:43] <payonel> plus, you literally would have to close shop

L3437[17:20:00] <Miyoyo> Money money money like 800$ epipens

L3438[17:20:07] <Temia> If you don't like it, go shoot up a board meeting or something. (note: don't do this.)

L3439[17:20:13] <SF-MC> painted :P

L3440[17:21:21] <SF-MC> I'll admit that I'm biased too though

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L3442[17:21:43] <SF-MC> I have a very Unix-grounded perception of history

L3443[17:21:50] <payonel> SF-MC: we are also a tiny minority of tech users that 1. care, 2. know this ideaology even exists

L3444[17:22:32] <Skye> I wonder how ReactOS is going

L3445[17:22:46] <SF-MC> also curious

L3446[17:23:03] <Kilobyte> i must have laid wrongly in bed last night, my neck hurts all day already :/

L3447[17:23:55] <Skye> payonel, what do you think of reactos? :P

L3448[17:25:58] <payonel> Skye: i haven't tried it

L3449[17:26:10] <payonel> i use gentoo and windows 7 (and openos? :P )

L3450[17:26:28] <gamax92> openos in the raw

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L3452[17:26:46] <gamax92> I wonder how well ocemu would run on hxrt.

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L3454[17:27:39] <payonel> hxrt?

L3455[17:27:39] <SoraFirestorm> my game

L3456[17:27:43] <SoraFirestorm> it crashed

L3457[17:27:46] <SoraFirestorm> :(

L3458[17:27:50] <Miyoyo> yeah what's hxrt

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L3460[17:28:16] <payonel> gamax92: what was the blocker you had again about 5.3?

L3461[17:28:29] <gamax92> payonel: ?

L3462[17:28:35] <payonel> gamax92: lua 5.3

L3463[17:28:38] <payonel> for ocemu

L3464[17:28:39] <gamax92> ?

L3465[17:28:44] <gamax92> iirc it works fine.

L3466[17:28:44] <payonel> wasn't there some lib that didn't like 5.3?

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L3468[17:28:57] * gamax92 shrugs

L3469[17:29:04] <payonel> oh

L3470[17:29:07] <payonel> huh

L3471[17:29:09] <payonel> ok

L3472[17:29:19] <payonel> i wish i knew why that was a problem

L3473[17:29:23] <payonel> and why i've been using 5.2 this entire time

L3474[17:29:36] <Miyoyo> what's hxrt

L3475[17:29:43] <payonel> s/why that/why i THOUGHT that/

L3476[17:29:43] <MichiBot> <payonel> i wish i knew why i THOUGHT that was a problem

L3477[17:29:47] <gamax92> and uhh, HXRT is a DOS extender to run Win32 applications on DOS

L3478[17:29:50] <Miyoyo> kk

L3479[17:30:13] <Skye> gamax92, HX dos extender?

L3480[17:30:18] <gamax92> yes

L3481[17:31:11] <gamax92> oh I guess it is technically called HX-DOS

L3482[17:32:37] <gamax92> someone made a version of it that supports intel HDA and ac97 so for some reason if you wanted to you could run sb16 dos stuff in dosbox through hx-dos on dox on a modern machine.

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L3484[17:33:38] <gamax92> which is actually not a bad idea, there's plenty of games out there that have issues with the faster speed or modern hardware, or just had issues in general that run fine in dosbox

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L3486[17:36:24] <gamax92> some people have toyed around with the idea of using reactos components to make hx-dos work better

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L3488[17:38:40] <Miyoyo> The further I think about it

L3489[17:39:03] <Miyoyo> ReactOS probably has better code than windows itself

L3490[17:39:11] <SF-MC> obviously

L3491[17:39:42] <SF-MC> Microsoft did not write code -> chance for code to not totally suck

L3492[17:39:59] <Miyoyo> How good would windows be if they just ditched the toplevel of windows, replaced it with reactos and used reactos as project leaders

L3493[17:40:22] <Skye> It would lose any user support

L3494[17:40:27] <Skye> like

L3495[17:40:44] <SF-MC> Microsoft would never allow it

L3496[17:40:53] <Kilobyte> of course they wouldn't

L3497[17:40:54] <Miyoyo> I know it's impossible

L3498[17:40:57] <Miyoyo> It's m$

L3499[17:41:03] <SF-MC> GPL is... oh, a "cancer", right Steve?

L3500[17:41:05] <Miyoyo> i'm just in a hypothetical scenario

L3501[17:41:23] <Skye> Windows NT is better than reactos for now

L3502[17:41:30] <SF-MC> holy hell

L3503[17:41:35] <Kilobyte> yeah, but it's also a lot older

L3504[17:41:37] <SF-MC> I finally found an Origin Valley biome

L3505[17:41:37] <Skye> when reactos gets its bugs fixed then yes it will be better

L3506[17:41:38] <SF-MC> <3

L3507[17:41:43] <Kilobyte> and a lot of money was put into it

L3508[17:42:00] <Miyoyo> What would happen if

L3509[17:42:02] <Miyoyo> tomorrow

L3510[17:42:05] <Miyoyo> Boom

L3511[17:42:14] <Miyoyo> Microsoft embraces open source

L3512[17:42:16] <Miyoyo> windows

L3513[17:42:17] <Kilobyte> you know what i would laugh at so hard

L3514[17:42:19] <Miyoyo> boom

L3515[17:42:20] <Miyoyo> gpl

L3516[17:42:27] <SF-MC> They likely can't GPL

L3517[17:42:29] <Kilobyte> if next windows 10 update completely bricks your computer

L3518[17:42:37] <Kilobyte> by idk fucking up the bootloader

L3519[17:42:44] <SF-MC> No one would trust them anyways

L3520[17:42:47] <Miyoyo> These cunts leaked their golden keys

L3521[17:42:47] <Kilobyte> (soft brick, not hard brick)

L3522[17:42:49]

<SpaceWolfve> I did that yesterday

L3523[17:42:55] <Miyoyo> people should not trust them

L3524[17:42:59] <SF-MC> That's a classic Microsoft trap

L3525[17:43:14] <Kilobyte> microsoft has interestingly started recently to show interest in open source stuff

L3526[17:43:23] <Temia> This conversation is honestly kind of pathetic to watch.

L3527[17:43:29] <Miyoyo> Yeah, cause their lead software dev has changed

L3528[17:43:39] <Daiyousei> less ballmer

L3529[17:43:41] <Daiyousei> more opensource

L3530[17:43:50] <Miyoyo> Temia: We're talking about M$, how could it be not cringeworthy?

L3531[17:43:51] <SF-MC> And... Satya isn't acting like a total moron

L3532[17:44:00] <Kilobyte> powershell was recently released for example

L3533[17:44:06] <Skye> Here's a funny idea: Microsoft break windows horribly, they make it open source and go "fix it, it's open source so you do our work for us". Will never happen but it's a funny idea.

L3534[17:44:08] <Temia> You might want to quit projecting so much, Miyoyo.

L3535[17:44:12] <Miyoyo> Still, porting an object-based shell to a file-based system is...

L3536[17:44:15] <Kilobyte> or was that a plan, i can't remember

L3537[17:44:27] <SF-MC> it was ported

L3538[17:44:27] <Miyoyo> Temia: I have no creativity, projecting is my imagination

L3539[17:44:35] <SF-MC> unsure if source or no

L3540[17:44:40] <Temia> Try again.

L3541[17:44:44] <Miyoyo> Powershell is Open source

L3542[17:45:00] <Kilobyte> i wasn't saying i am happy about powershell being on linux. i am happy about the change of mindset

L3543[17:45:01]

<SpaceWolfve> What is.. powershell

L3544[17:45:20] <Miyoyo> Powershell is microsoft's take at a better shell than cmd

L3545[17:45:20] <Kilobyte> system automation tool for administrators pretty much

L3546[17:45:32] <SF-MC> Microsoft's reaction to 'holy shit we actually need a decent shell guys"

L3547[17:45:33]

<SpaceWolfve> Lol

L3548[17:45:39] <Miyoyo> One problem I have with powershell is the paifull verbosity of commands

L3549[17:45:44] <Kilobyte> not really that useful as a general purpose interactive shell

L3550[17:45:47] <Miyoyo> s/paifull/painful

L3551[17:45:48] <MichiBot> <Miyoyo> One problem I have with powershell is the painful verbosity of commands

L3552[17:45:54] <CompanionCube> Kilobyte: but then you have win10

L3553[17:46:06] <CompanionCube> I wonder what kind of internal office politics is going on

L3554[17:46:08] <Kilobyte> well, you have to start somewhere

L3555[17:46:12] <gamax92> Temia: I apologize for having accidentally spawned this conversation

L3556[17:46:52] <Miyoyo> Well just start another if we're painful to watch :D

L3557[17:46:58]

<SpaceWolfve> This channel is active all day

L3558[17:47:16] <Kilobyte> also all night

L3559[17:47:32] <Miyoyo> But day and night is relative

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L3561[17:47:41] <SF-MC> all the time

L3562[17:47:43] <SF-MC> tada

L3563[17:47:52] <CompanionCube> also, rememeber when you could brick your computer with linux and systemd

L3564[17:47:54]

<SpaceWolfve> Ur soo smart..

L3565[17:48:24] <SF-MC> Because systemd was doing something completely braindead?

L3566[17:48:27]

<SpaceWolfve> Well

L3567[17:48:41] <Kilobyte> i think he was referring to the efi thing

L3568[17:48:42] <Miyoyo> mounting something as R/W if I remember

L3569[17:48:52]

<SpaceWolfve> Wanna hear a story about me uninstalling linux

L3570[17:49:06] <Kilobyte> bug in some mainboard firmware that deleting efi variables could brick your mainboard

L3571[17:49:09] <SF-MC> yeah, theEFI thing

L3572[17:49:22] <SF-MC> speaking of systemd

L3573[17:49:31] <SF-MC> My dad was helping me with my laptop

L3574[17:49:43] <SF-MC> and he did 'init 5'

L3575[17:49:46] <SF-MC> and it still works

L3576[17:49:53] <SF-MC> surprised both of us

L3577[17:49:53] <Kilobyte> compatibility :P

L3578[17:50:03] <SF-MC> by now though?

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L3580[17:50:15] <Kilobyte> it's basicly free to implement, so why not

L3581[17:50:25] <SF-MC> I suppose

L3582[17:50:56] <Kilobyte> what i find funny about systemd: if you are in a rescue env, the reboot and poweroff commands don't work

L3583[17:50:58] <CompanionCube> just like the fact that /sbin/init is still a thing with systemd

L3584[17:51:03]

<SpaceWolfve> *doesnt know what init 5 is*

L3585[17:51:08] <Kilobyte> /sbin/init IS systemd

L3586[17:51:12] <SF-MC> ^

L3587[17:51:24] <CompanionCube> Kilobyte: technically it's a symlink to systemd

L3588[17:51:29] <Kilobyte> yes

L3589[17:51:31] <SF-MC> init 5 tells the system to kick into runlevel 5

L3590[17:51:34] <Miyoyo> Still, systemd "just werks"

L3591[17:51:47] <Kilobyte> SF-MC: well, systemd doesn't have runlevels

L3592[17:51:47] <CompanionCube> although

L3593[17:51:49] <SF-MC> which typically is the full graphics mode

L3594[17:51:51]

<SpaceWolfve> Runlevel 5?..

L3595[17:51:55] <CompanionCube> it's suffering from feature creep

L3596[17:52:01] <SF-MC> Unix has the concept of runlevels

L3597[17:52:03] <Kilobyte> but it translates that to graphical.target

L3598[17:52:04] <SF-MC> well

L3599[17:52:05] <SF-MC> had

L3600[17:52:06] <Temia> It's alright, Gamax.

L3601[17:52:26] <Kilobyte> runlevel == the mode your computer runs in or tries to get to

L3602[17:52:29] <SF-MC> tl;dr runlevels are how much to actually run certain components

L3603[17:52:37] <Temia> You shouldn't have to be burdened with responsibility over some of the people present.

L3604[17:52:48] <SF-MC> in the olden days, 3 was console only

L3605[17:52:54] <Kilobyte> like: booted with gui, booted without gui, rescue mode, shut down, rebooting,

L3606[17:52:58] <Kilobyte> are there any more?

L3607[17:53:01] <CompanionCube> SF-MC: fun fact

L3608[17:53:06] <CompanionCube> you can still use /etc/init.d scripts

L3609[17:53:09] <SF-MC> I think there was a difference between 3 and 4

L3610[17:53:10] <CompanionCube> even with systemd

L3611[17:53:18] <Kilobyte> only if it's enabled compile time

L3612[17:53:22] <SF-MC> IIRC one with network the other is not

L3613[17:53:48] <Kilobyte> SF-MC: there is in any case single user and multi user

L3614[17:53:55] <SF-MC> right

L3615[17:53:59] <Kilobyte> (single user also being known as rescue mode)

L3616[17:54:01] * CompanionCube has been dropped into emergency.target multiple times

L3617[17:54:26]

<SpaceWolfve> I wondwr

L3618[17:54:35] <CompanionCube> sometimes I wonder if rescue.target is actually used

L3619[17:54:39] <Kilobyte> i think anyone who ever did anything more with arch has seen that at some point

L3620[17:54:56]

<SpaceWolfve> Are all of you chatting in minecraft right now

L3621[17:54:56] <Kilobyte> i have used it to fix my system to a point where it actually boots

L3622[17:55:00] <SF-MC> I am

L3623[17:55:01] <Kilobyte> no

L3624[17:55:05] <SF-MC> dunno about the rest

L3625[17:55:16]

<SpaceWolfve> What then kilo

L3626[17:55:18] <CompanionCube> I have never actually used rescue mode, only emergency

L3627[17:55:25] <Kilobyte> irc? like everyone else?

L3628[17:55:33] <Kilobyte> CompanionCube: different term for same thing

L3629[17:55:40]

<SpaceWolfve> Kk

L3630[17:55:45] <CompanionCube> Kilobyte: iirc they're actually different targets

L3631[17:55:50] <SF-MC> I'm using EiraIRC in game

L3632[17:56:04] <SF-MC> SoraFirestorm is me with a different client

L3633[17:56:51] <CompanionCube> emergency requires only emergency.service

L3634[17:56:52] <Kilobyte> CompanionCube: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-Managing_Services_with_systemd-Targets.html

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L3636[17:57:17] <CompanionCube> Requires=sysinit.target rescue.service vs Requires=emergency.service

L3637[17:58:15] * Kilobyte uses weechat

L3638[17:58:22] * CompanionCube too

L3639[17:58:29] <SF-MC> ERC!

L3640[17:58:30] <SF-MC> :D

L3641[17:58:47] <Kilobyte> ?

L3642[17:59:00] <SF-MC> (one of the) Emacs IRC cient

L3643[17:59:05] <Kilobyte> meh emacs

L3644[17:59:06] <SF-MC> s/cient/client/

L3645[17:59:07] <MichiBot> <SF-MC> (one of the) Emacs IRC client

L3646[17:59:29] <Kilobyte> emacs is - eh - i don't like emacs

L3647[17:59:35] <Kilobyte> personal opinion

L3648[17:59:36] * CompanionCube slaps Kilobyte

L3649[17:59:37] * EnderBot2 high-fives CompanionCube

L3650[17:59:40] <SF-MC> sure

L3651[17:59:50] <CompanionCube> I just felt like it.

L3652[17:59:52] <SF-MC> I have one friend

L3653[17:59:58] <SF-MC> He uses Notepad++

L3654[18:00:03] <SF-MC> ...

L3655[18:00:07] <SF-MC> *with Wine*

L3656[18:00:08] <Kilobyte> sure, if he likes it

L3657[18:00:14] <CompanionCube> lolwut

L3658[18:00:18] <SF-MC> true story

L3659[18:00:43] <Skye> didn't someone make an emacs OS

L3660[18:00:50] <SF-MC> kinda sorta

L3661[18:00:54] <CompanionCube> Skye: nope

L3662[18:01:01] <CompanionCube> they did however use emacs as /sbin/init

L3663[18:01:06] <SF-MC> They made a system where there was a Linux kernel and Emacs was the init

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L3665[18:01:33] <Kilobyte> well, isn't emacs kinda an os in itself...

L3666[18:01:42] <CompanionCube> nah

L3667[18:01:55] <CompanionCube> It's an environment but not an OS

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L3669[18:03:15] <SoraFirestorm> crashed again

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L3671[18:03:21] <SoraFirestorm> think I'll just be done for know

L3672[18:03:31] <Kilobyte> yay crashes :D

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L3674[18:03:46] <CompanionCube> Kilobyte: although there is an OS written entirely in Common Lisp

L3675[18:03:53] <Kilobyte> nice

L3676[18:03:59] <SoraFirestorm> it's really cool

L3677[18:04:11] <SoraFirestorm> I wonder how they managed to get the crosscompiler and all that working

L3678[18:04:11] <Kilobyte> lisp or the os?

L3679[18:04:14] <Kilobyte> or both?

L3680[18:04:19] <SoraFirestorm> both <3

L3681[18:04:22] <Kilobyte> ^^

L3682[18:04:36] <Kilobyte> lisp is nice, sadly i don't really know enough to actually use it

L3683[18:04:37] <CompanionCube> and GuixSD has the package manager, init system and maybe something else in Scheme

L3684[18:04:45] <GreaseMonkey> once again

L3685[18:04:56] <GreaseMonkey> emacs is so good, it's the second best text editor in the world

L3686[18:05:03] <CompanionCube> there is also an actual virtualised lisp machine out there

L3687[18:05:12] <CompanionCube> not exactly legitimate, but it's out there

L3688[18:05:13] <SoraFirestorm> Kilobyte: my big problem is that I have yet to figure out a workable deployment approach

L3689[18:05:16] <Kilobyte> there are physical cpus for running lisp

L3690[18:05:39] <CompanionCube> Kilobyte: yeah but symbolics/TI hardware is rare

L3691[18:05:50] <SoraFirestorm> very much so, apparently

L3692[18:06:49] <CompanionCube> although you *can* emulate the MIT CADR without getting into a legal grey area iirc

L3693[18:09:21] <CompanionCube> I'd be interested in a Lisp-style CPU designed for something like Smalltal

L3694[18:09:25] <CompanionCube> *Smalltalk

L3695[18:10:15] <Daiyousei> lisp-style cpu designed for lisp pls

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L3698[18:14:33] <Kilobyte> eh, getting somewhat late, gonna go to bed now

L3699[18:16:43] <SoraFirestorm> o/

L3700[18:17:24] <SoraFirestorm> What I'm more interested in is how they bootstrapped dynamic memory

L3701[18:18:27] <Miyoyo> malloc everything :D

L3702[18:18:32] <SoraFirestorm> well

L3703[18:18:34] <SoraFirestorm> you can't really

L3704[18:18:41] <Miyoyo> I know

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L3720[19:04:05] <GreaseMonkey> aaaand the mips3 core is now in master

L3721[19:04:10] <GreaseMonkey> (for circuity)

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L3725[19:27:18] * CompanionCube remembers that a Smalltalk-oriented RISC CPU existed and wonders if the ISA and stuffs are around anywhere

L3726[19:31:30] <GreaseMonkey> i believe it's called the ALTO

L3727[19:32:16] <GreaseMonkey> the smalltalk-80 blue book mentions that it had a BLT opcode or something like that but otherwise, well, the VM spec (section 4) explains how it all works using smalltalk rather than asm

L3728[19:32:53] <GreaseMonkey> by the way, if you ever want to write an OO language VM, get the pdf off the interwebs and read that section, there's some brilliant shit ther

L3729[19:32:54] <GreaseMonkey> e

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L3731[19:37:45] <CompanionCube> GreaseMonkey: nah

L3732[19:38:00] <CompanionCube> that was not specifically designed for Smalltalk iirc

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L3734[19:39:03] <CompanionCube> Alto emulators already exist but would not be a good fit

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L3750[20:39:47] <S3> dafuq

L3751[20:40:17] <gamax92> x_x systemd why.

L3752[20:40:42] <gamax92> now something else broke and I have no networking in linux.

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L3755[20:47:39] <gamax92> >_> Windows wtf.

L3756[20:48:24] <gamax92> "Here's how much you can shrink the volume" Okay do that. *Long pause of waiting on an unresponsive screen* "There is not enough free space to perform this operation"

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L3764[21:01:20] <GreaseMonkey> gamax92: so, how's that new init system that redhat wants you to use treating you?

L3765[21:01:44] <GreaseMonkey> fun fact, the reason void doesn't use systemd is because systemd doesn't work on musl, they USED to use it

L3766[21:02:38] <GreaseMonkey> however i get the feeling if they ever decide to move back to it, unless it's purely optional they'll lose most of their users

L3767[21:04:04] <GreaseMonkey> still, if they stick to being "the distro that supports musl the best" (and no, i actually use the glibc version), that shit ain't gonna happen, because systemd will probably never follow standards properly

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L3771[21:12:00] <TheFox> hello everyone!

L3772[21:12:19] <TheFox> %seen TheCryptek

L3773[21:12:21] <MichiBot> TheFox: TheCryptek was last seen 7h 16m 38s ago.

L3774[21:12:25] <TheFox> oh

L3775[21:12:33] <TheFox> welp

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L3779[21:15:34] <TheFox> %tell TheCryptek pm me when you come on please

L3780[21:15:35] <MichiBot> TheFox: TheCryptek will be notified of this message when next seen.

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L3783[21:29:21] <GreaseMonkey> i just had a thought. the MIPS3 core has a 16KB icache and a 16KB dcache. using the Create_Dirty_Exclusive cache op you can basically run this without any RAM, you just need a boot ROM and you only need to run your code from the boot ROM.

L3784[21:30:29] <GreaseMonkey> the important part is to never, ever let a cache line get evicted, and always use writeback caches

L3785[21:31:23] <GreaseMonkey> by the way, if you actually do this, i reserve every right to punch you

L3786[21:32:23] <GreaseMonkey> the issue of course is that if anyone is going to do that, it's probably going to be me

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L3788[21:34:35] <GreaseMonkey> if you ever need to prime the icache with 16KB of code though you'll need 4KB of RAM and a fair amount of TLB abuse

L3789[21:34:54] <TheFox> ummm....

L3790[21:35:01] <TheFox> does it work?

L3791[21:35:19] <TheFox> because if it does ill agree, because i have no clue, if it doesnt i disagree because i have no clue

L3792[21:35:21] <GreaseMonkey> most of the cache instructions haven't been tested, in theory it should work

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L3794[21:36:07] <GreaseMonkey> either way, the fun thing is if i access the main system memory strictly uncached i can pretty much have 16KB of private memory

L3795[21:36:28] <GreaseMonkey> although i probably won't be able to execute anything in that space

L3796[21:37:12] <GreaseMonkey> but basically, long story short, if your CPU has a sufficiently predictable cache you can do some really horrible shit

L3797[21:38:11] <TheFox> ooookkkkk. i dont know much about working directly with processors, so ill take your word for it

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L3799[21:39:21] <GreaseMonkey> once this mod has public builds, monitor ROMs, and some nonhacky way to run those ROMs you will probably start to learn about working directly with processors

L3800[21:39:28] <TheFox> GreaseMonkey: quick question about your mod.

L3801[21:39:33] <GreaseMonkey> it's not my mod

L3802[21:39:41] <GreaseMonkey> i just work on it

L3803[21:39:52] <TheFox> oh, i thought you made mips

L3804[21:40:00] <GreaseMonkey> i made the MIPS implementation yes

L3805[21:40:07] <GreaseMonkey> so ask your quick question

L3806[21:40:45] <TheFox> do you remember the other day when i aksed about compiling assembler within OC?

L3807[21:42:02] <TheFox> i was wondering if there was a way you could use a version of clang or some other term tool to compile the assember from within OC

L3808[21:42:14] <GreaseMonkey> clang will not fit in RAM

L3809[21:42:30] <GreaseMonkey> as soon as you link with LLVM you end up using 35MB already

L3810[21:42:41] <GreaseMonkey> and that's assuming amd64

L3811[21:42:53] <Stary> what if we use tcc

L3812[21:42:53] <TheFox> you dont have put clang into OC

L3813[21:42:53] <Stary> :p

L3814[21:43:03] <TheFox> i was asking if you could tell clang what to do from OC

L3815[21:43:06] <TheFox> not OC

L3816[21:43:35] <TheFox> sorry, if your mod could issue term commands (in the real term, not OC's term) and direct clang to output to that HDD?

L3817[21:43:58] <TheFox> i cant really think of a good way to quickly ask this question

L3818[21:44:19] <TheFox> ok, forget everything i just said, im going to rephrase

L3819[21:44:52] <TheFox> can Java issuse commands to programs that are generally accessed via term? such as clang

L3820[21:44:54] <GreaseMonkey> tcc is a possible candidate, i don't recall how far i got with it though

L3821[21:45:17] <GreaseMonkey> TheFox: it's doable but insanely insecure

L3822[21:45:52] <TheFox> uh, i never really thought about security

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L3826[21:46:46] <TheFox> if you inputed the decompiled code into the OC term, your mod would compile it and run it, ik it would be VERY slow but it would allow you to run without so much hastle, but like i said i didnt think of security

L3827[21:48:16] <GreaseMonkey> it's probably more practical to just provide an assembler

L3828[21:48:37] <GreaseMonkey> and then you might as well go far enough to provide a disassembler and a debugger to

L3829[21:48:38] <GreaseMonkey> *too

L3830[21:48:44] <TheFox> i didnt think you could make a compiler for assembler in lua

L3831[21:48:51] <GreaseMonkey> and that's basically what a monitor program is

L3832[21:49:03] <GreaseMonkey> an assembler, disassembler, and debugger

L3833[21:49:16] <TheFox> all of the above, i didnt think where possible in lua

L3834[21:49:39] <GreaseMonkey> oh it

L3835[21:49:46] <GreaseMonkey> it's definitely possible to write an assembler in lua

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L3837[21:49:54] <GreaseMonkey> and also possible to write an emulator

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L3852[22:04:49] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: have you seen romcc

L3853[22:05:39] * CompanionCube is feeling paranoid because a random computer over a VPN was repeatedly sending his desktop ARP requests

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L3864[22:34:30] <GreaseMonkey> gamax92: what is romcc

L3865[22:35:27] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: C compiler that uses only registers

L3866[22:35:33] <GreaseMonkey> ah nice

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L3868[22:35:58] <gamax92> used for when memory is not available/initialized

L3869[22:36:32] <TheFox> CompanionCube: dont worry about the arp messages, its just your old highschool friend (that had the girlfriend that you stole XD)

L3870[22:37:23] <CompanionCube> You're not even a good liar.

L3871[22:37:50] <TheFox> im not trying to lie

L3872[22:38:03] <TheFox> it just wasnt a funny joke

L3873[22:38:55] <TheFox> if i had to take a guess, i would say a) your not old enough for highschool (i doubt it) or b) you never stole/had a girlfriend in Highschool

L3874[22:40:05] <CompanionCube> TheFox: c) Even if I had, other factors prevent this

L3875[22:40:25] <TheFox> wait a set

L3876[22:40:50] <TheFox> ok. bot says your male, but i want to make sure

L3877[22:40:58] <TheFox> because that would be a preventing factor

L3878[22:41:03]

<Kimiro> CompanionCube is gay?

L3879[22:41:13] <TheFox> also good point

L3880[22:41:30] <CompanionCube> nope

L3881[22:41:41]

<Kimiro> Oh. Female?

L3882[22:41:59] <TheFox> thats what i just asked, bot says male, but bots could be wrong

L3883[22:42:00] <CompanionCube> One of the big ones is that my friends lack the requisite technical competence.

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L3885[22:42:13] <CompanionCube> At least my irl ones.

L3886[22:42:32] <TheFox> the hell woud that have anything to do with you haveing a girlfriend

L3887[22:42:53] <TheFox> oh, wait

L3888[22:43:17] <TheFox> you would be friends with the person you stole her from...

L3889[22:43:20] <TheFox> ?

L3890[22:43:22] <TheFox> shocking

L3891[22:43:38] <TheFox> i bet if i had done that, they would try to kill me, and not like me at all

L3892[22:43:47] <TheFox> friend wouldnt be the right word

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L3894[22:44:15] <TheFox> btw Hello Kimiro

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L3896[22:45:36] <TheFox> why does the bot like my old username more then my new one, you stupid machine TheFox == wirewolf : true

L3897[22:46:17] <TheFox> oohhh, i never physically abused Bots as wirewolf, but i do plenty as TheFox

L3898[22:46:22] * TheFox slaps EnderBot2

L3899[22:46:22] * EnderBot2 grabs Ender's Katana and slices TheFox in half

L3900[22:46:31] <snowden89> because casesensitive?

L3901[22:46:45] <TheFox> case sensitive?

L3902[22:47:23] <TheFox> the stats bot doesnt recognize two users who are the same if thats what your asking, im joking aobut how TheFox gets a :( rating while Wirewolf gets a :D rating

L3903[22:47:45] <snowden89> ah ok

L3904[22:48:11] <snowden89> was thinking of why it would treat you different was thinking maybe case sensitivity was not triggering for the username

L3905[22:48:12]

<Mimiru> I have to manually link names..

L3906[22:48:23] <snowden89> like it was looking for thefox not TheFox etc

L3907[22:48:26]

<Mimiru> And no it's not case sensitive, it tolowers everything

L3908[22:48:29] <TheFox> dont Mimiru its fine i was joking

L3909[22:48:48] <TheFox> i dont want Wirewolf and TheFox linked anywhere

L3910[22:48:55] <TheFox> for sanity's sake

L3911[22:49:19] <TheFox> also, i think Mimiru set it to :( because im the only user here that has that

L3912[22:49:22] <TheFox> :)|

L3913[22:49:49]

<Mimiru> No.. it's fucking random

L3914[22:49:49]

<Mimiru> as I've stated

L3915[22:49:49] <TheFox> i was joking Mimiru

L3916[22:50:43] <TheFox> sorry if you thought i wasn't, during my waking hours i am a very sarcastic person.

L3917[22:51:35]

<Mimiru> Oh, even better

L3918[22:51:35]

<Mimiru> if (($result = $sqlite3->querySingle('SELECT * FROM ruid_smileys WHERE ruid = '.$this->ruid, true)) === false) {

L3919[22:51:35]

<Mimiru> $this->output($sqlite3->lastErrorCode(), basename(__FILE__).':'.__LINE__.', sqlite3 says: '.$sqlite3->lastErrorMsg());

L3920[22:51:36]

<Mimiru> }

L3921[22:52:00]

<Mimiru> it's not random, it gets the mood from your smiley use

L3922[22:52:12] <TheFox> HAHAHAHAHA

L3923[22:52:28] <snowden89> :)

L3924[22:52:39] <TheFox> so, if i spammed the hell out of :) i would get a better rating

L3925[22:52:42] <TheFox> good to know

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L3927[22:53:35] <GreaseMonkey>

<Mimiru> $this->output($sqlite3->lastErrorCode(), basename(__FILE__).':'.__LINE__.', sqlite3 says: '.$sqlite3->lastErrorMsg());

L3928[22:53:52] <GreaseMonkey> is the ); classified as a smiley

L3929[22:54:01] <GreaseMonkey> because if so we're all a bunch of really sad bastards here

L3930[22:54:36] <TheFox> hahahahhaha, didnt even think about that

L3931[22:55:47]

<Mimiru> http://hastebin.com/geqirutumo.hs

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L3933[22:56:33] <TheFox> oh, thats why. its doesnt recognize XD, that is probably my most repeated one

L3934[22:57:02]

<Mimiru> Adding to the array is a bitch, cause I have to update a fuckton of functions

L3935[22:57:09]

<Mimiru> it's stupidly hard coded

L3936[22:58:04] <TheFox> hmmmm, i wouldnt imagen this program is too overly complex if it where written a diffrent way then you say, maybe just bash would be good for this

L3937[22:59:02] <TheFox> Mimiru: the log site already has half the stuff needed to do it on its own

L3938[22:59:19]

<Mimiru> wat..?

L3939[22:59:25] <TheFox> sorry that wasnt ment to be targeted

L3940[22:59:31] <TheFox> i must have pressed tab

L3941[23:00:05] <TheFox> still your search function is really all this stats thing does. it searches and compares. this program SHOULD be incredibly simple, just really LONG

L3942[23:00:55] <TheFox> if its not incredibly simple, then maybe i dont know what i am talking about

L3943[23:01:17]

<Mimiru> https://github.com/tommyrot/superseriousstats

L3944[23:02:04] <TheFox> why the hell is it writen in PHP

L3945[23:02:10] <TheFox> i guess it may be a good idea

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L3947[23:02:27] <TheFox> Lua could even be an option for this program

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L3949[23:03:29] <TheFox> wow, shocking, the word programming is the SECOND most used 11 letter word according to the stats bot, not the FIRST

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L3951[23:05:12] <TheFox> look at my luck :D. Most active day was Jul 7, 2016 with a total of 666 lines typed. <- clearly i should type more

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L3955[23:11:08] <TheFox> wow, they went around their ass to get to there elbow with this

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L3957[23:11:27] <TheFox> Lua or bash would have made this SO much more simple then PHP

L3958[23:13:32] <TheFox> well, it would have made it simple, all except for the fact of sqlite, that changes things a little

L3959[23:14:49] <Temia> ...

L3960[23:14:58] * Temia looks at the luarocks results for sqlite

L3961[23:15:00] <Temia> >.>

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L3964[23:23:24] <TheFox> Temia: i dont actually know, i never messed around with SQLite, does lua work with it?

L3965[23:23:44] <TheFox> i think i tried to learn sqlite once

L3966[23:23:48] <TheFox> once

L3967[23:24:10] <TheFox> nvmd

L3968[23:24:39] <TheFox> alrighty, well Hello and GoodBye Temia cyall later

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