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L4[00:26:36] <GreaseMonkey> wew, the MIPS core is now exactly the same number of lines as the Z80 core, and has untested TLB support

L5[00:26:51] <GreaseMonkey> it's also incomplete (the dirty bit is completely ignored, much like all notions of cache bits)

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L8[00:46:06] <snowden89> GreaseMonkey MIPSaddict :P

L9[00:46:12] <GreaseMonkey> yep

L10[00:46:24] <snowden89> or i guess saddist depending on who you assk

L11[00:47:12] <GreaseMonkey> sadist would be x86

L12[00:47:25] <GreaseMonkey> wait even worse: 68000

L13[00:47:31] <snowden89> MIPS is assembly right?

L14[00:47:32] <GreaseMonkey> from an emulator writer's perspective

L15[00:47:38] <GreaseMonkey> MIPS is a real CPU

L16[00:47:41] <GreaseMonkey> and thus has an assembly

L17[00:49:58] <GreaseMonkey> aaaaaand bare-bones virtual memory works

L18[00:50:04] <snowden89> so what would use it?

L19[00:50:06] <GreaseMonkey> well, bare-bones TLB

L20[00:50:19] <snowden89> like like broadcom chips?

L21[00:50:24] <GreaseMonkey> some of them, yes

L22[00:50:36] <GreaseMonkey> the PS1 and N64, and also the PS2 all had MIPS cores

L23[00:50:56] <snowden89> whats the standard item that uses MIPS cpu now adays?

L24[00:51:07] <GreaseMonkey> probably routers and SPIM

L25[00:51:15] <GreaseMonkey> SPIM being the emulator that often gets used at universities

L26[00:51:45] <GreaseMonkey> university is a great place to learn how to hate MIPS, fortunately i missed those particular courses which cover it

L27[00:52:01] <GreaseMonkey> it's a great CPU, but it's one you kinda have to grow to appreciate

L28[00:52:10] <snowden89> cool so if i need custom firmware for my router :P

L29[00:52:12] <GreaseMonkey> erm, it kinda grows on you, you don't end up liking it much at first

L30[00:52:15] <snowden89> your the man to higher?

L31[00:52:27] <GreaseMonkey> ...how did you make two mistakes in that

L32[00:52:44] <GreaseMonkey> i guess you could hire me, yeah, you'd want to give me some docs though

L33[00:52:56] <snowden89> pfft thats not how dev goes :P

L34[00:53:06] <snowden89> the docs never exist before you arrive

L35[00:53:17] <snowden89> the comments dont align with the code

L36[00:53:55] <snowden89> and the last version control log is commented living this technical debt to the next guy cheers

L37[00:54:08] <snowden89> leaving...

L38[00:54:12] <snowden89> god damn words....

L39[00:54:39] <GreaseMonkey> [17:53:22] <snowden89> the comments dont align with the code

L40[00:54:54] <GreaseMonkey> and this is why you comment the "why" rather than the "how"

L41[00:56:37] <GreaseMonkey> but yeah, it's something you learn to appreciate the fuck out of

L42[00:56:42] <GreaseMonkey> MIPS that is

L43[00:57:08] <GreaseMonkey> although you don't really end up appreciating it if it's the only CPU you've worked with... if you've worked with other CPUs, though, you start to like it a lot

L44[00:57:30] <GreaseMonkey> ARM is very nice from the "writing software for it" side, it's not quite as nice from the "writing an emulator" side

L45[00:58:23] <GreaseMonkey> but yeah, there's a few things they did with MIPS that were absolutely brilliant... one i've noticed is that on the 64-bit cores all regs are by default sign extended 32->64 for backwards compat

L46[00:59:20] <GreaseMonkey> things that need 64-bit versions: add+sub, shifts, load, store, multiply, divide

L47[01:00:15] <GreaseMonkey> things that don't: logic ops, SLT, LUI, branch compares, M[FT](LO|HI)

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L59[01:20:26] <Miyoyo> The english language has spoken.

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L61[01:20:52] <Miyoyo> But :(

L62[01:21:57] <Miyoyo> Enuf Lafing, advanst John by his buro, with a voice as deep as the hole in his hart, hope gon since time immemorial.

L63[01:22:03] <Miyoyo> This phrase is 100% correct

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<Kimiro> So many dreams left broken and so much was sacrificed.

L68[02:44:57] <GreaseMonkey> woohoo, i just got the xtlb handler working \:D/

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L70[02:47:34] <xandaros> xtlb?

L71[02:48:12]

<Kimiro> GreaseMonkey: Your head is on sideways.

L72[02:48:45] <GreaseMonkey> well, in MIPS there's the TLB miss exception which has its own special handler

L73[02:48:54] <GreaseMonkey> and in 64-bit MIPS there's the XTLB exception for 64-bit stuff

L74[02:49:55] <xandaros> Ah, I see

L75[02:50:08] * xandaros has only used MIPS in like the first semester of uni

L76[02:52:14] <GreaseMonkey> xandaros: 1. did you ever use real hardware, 2. did you ever use anything that wasn't SPIM, 3. did you ever touch COP0 at all, 4. did you ever touch virtual memory at all

L77[02:53:28] <xandaros> 1. no, 2. no clue, 4. no, 5. no

L78[02:53:35] <GreaseMonkey> damn

L79[02:53:53] <xandaros> I'm the master of numbers, apparently

L80[02:54:01] <GreaseMonkey> if you want to have a play around with the latter two, OCMIPS has support

L81[02:54:26] <xandaros> What are SPIM and COP0?

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L83[02:55:41] <xandaros> “System Control Copressor” - Well... if only I knew what that means :D

L84[02:56:08] <xandaros> Maybe I should play with mips a bit... how much are mips chips?

L85[03:00:31] <xandaros> 25 MHz, 16k flash and 1k RAM for 1.50€. That doesn't actually look that bad

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L88[03:12:58] <Izaya> xandaros: go get a WRT54GL

L89[03:13:15] <Izaya> cheap, has networking, serial console, can bit-bang an SD card

L90[03:14:58] <xandaros> Izaya: You have an odd definition of cheap

L91[03:15:09] <Izaya> I got 10 for free

L92[03:16:06] <xandaros> If I want a cheap chip with networking, I just use an ESP :P

L93[03:16:14] <xandaros> Though they do use quite a lot of energy

L94[03:19:41] <Izaya> I like these because they're well-documented

L95[03:26:39] <xandaros> Something the ESPs are certainly lacking...

L96[03:26:58] <Miyoyo> Still, dat size and speed tho

L97[03:28:02] <xandaros> Let's not forget the price...

L98[03:28:17] <xandaros> 1.60€ a piece. It even has onboard wifi!

L99[03:28:45] <xandaros> It also has onboard crypto stuff, but nobody knows how to use it. This is where we get back to the amazing documentation... lol

L100[03:29:09] <Miyoyo> wiat

L101[03:29:26] <Miyoyo> it has on board crypto?

L102[03:29:31] <Miyoyo> TIL

L103[03:29:41] <xandaros> It does. In fact, the wifi stuff uses it :P

L104[03:29:46] <Miyoyo> TIL

L105[03:30:04] <xandaros> How do you think it connects to protected networks?

L106[03:30:27] <Miyoyo> Well, soft implementation in the wireless controller?

L107[03:30:40] <xandaros> All of the wifi stuff is in ROM

L108[03:31:28] <Miyoyo> http://www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9615

L109[03:31:29] <Miyoyo> Wow

L110[03:31:33] <Miyoyo> Such success

L111[03:32:41] <xandaros> There are some hundred-off functions in ROM. The SDK actually gives names to most of them. There's some sweet stuff like crypto, hash functions, I think even deflate there. What it forgets to mention, however, are the parameters

L112[03:33:25] <Miyoyo> kek

L113[03:33:52] <Miyoyo> Espressif ffs

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L115[03:35:51] <xandaros> I don't know why they left those out, but my guess is, that it's because they are a chinese company and china might have some crypto laws

L116[03:36:08] <Miyoyo> Still

L117[03:36:23] <Miyoyo> Why not implement esp8266 in oc

L118[03:36:37] <Miyoyo> just a lot of hours to undersand tensilica cpus

L119[03:36:51] <xandaros> The architecture is the weirdest shit, lol

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L121[03:36:59] <Miyoyo> Why?

L122[03:37:10] <Miyoyo> just looks like a CPU stuck to a wifi chip

L123[03:37:25] <xandaros> I don't actually remember, but I tried reverse engineering the crypto libraries

L124[03:37:35] <xandaros> Some aspects really put me off

L125[03:38:08] <Miyoyo> http://0x04.net/~mwk/doc/xtensa.pdf

L126[03:38:09] <Miyoyo> hfhf

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L128[03:47:45] <GreaseMonkey> TLB next 16 -> 16

L129[03:47:49] <GreaseMonkey> ^ fucking hell, this just had to happen

L130[03:47:52] <GreaseMonkey> Linked Lists Are Hard

L131[03:47:59] <GreaseMonkey> (well they're not but you do get shit like that)

L132[03:49:28] <GreaseMonkey> turns out i was doing the "move to the start" op on the TLB entry at the start

L133[03:56:01] <GreaseMonkey> i need to suss out why it says "Hllo World" instead of "Hello World" though

L134[03:56:36]

<Kimiro> Over the hills and far away~

L135[03:56:37] <GreaseMonkey> it's only using 2 TLB entries, one for 0x10... and one for 0x00...

L136[03:56:49] <GreaseMonkey> 10xxx and 00xxx

L137[03:57:14] <xandaros> Your "Hello World" in a linked list? Do you treat the first element specially?

L138[03:57:37] <GreaseMonkey> the linked list is for the CPU to track the last known TLB for a given virtual address

L139[03:58:02] <GreaseMonkey> the "Hello World!" string fits within a single 4KB page

L140[03:59:06] <xandaros> Hmm, that's odd

L141[03:59:23] <xandaros> What happens if you calculate the length?

L142[04:01:48] <GreaseMonkey> i could try printing it twice

L143[04:02:35] <GreaseMonkey> the second time it prints it prints without issue

L144[04:06:45] <GreaseMonkey> and yes i confirmed they were calling the print function from the same location

L145[04:06:57] <GreaseMonkey> oh fuck i think i know what i did

L146[04:07:36] <GreaseMonkey> ...turns out that was *not* what i did

L147[04:07:54] <xandaros> To me it sounds like your print function must be mutating something...

L148[04:08:14] <GreaseMonkey> it's not a problem with the print function

L149[04:08:50] <GreaseMonkey> have you ever done OS development?

L150[04:09:05] <xandaros> I've made a “Bootable Hello World”, if that counts

L151[04:09:41] <xandaros> GreaseMonkey: https://github.com/Xandaros/Geranium-Duckling

L152[04:10:05] <xandaros> The last commit was only 3 years ago... Feels so much longer, lol

L153[04:10:16] <GreaseMonkey> ok, have you ever done ISR handling

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L155[04:11:08] <GreaseMonkey> well ok, here's the weirder bit: have you ever written the emulator to handle said ISR handling?

L156[04:11:26] <xandaros> Well, there's an isr.S, but I don't actually know where the accompanying C code is

L157[04:11:33] <xandaros> I have never written an emulator :P

L158[04:11:38] <GreaseMonkey> it's in irq.c

L159[04:11:56] <GreaseMonkey> but yeah, on MIPS, shit can get really weird when you're doing virtual memory

L160[04:12:23] <xandaros> irq.c and interrupt.c, yeah

L161[04:13:16] <xandaros> GreaseMonkey: Also, take a look at idt.c. I did that before I was proficient with vim...

L162[04:13:36] <GreaseMonkey> https://gist.github.com/iamgreaser/d96fb129ac20b4558bbe456bbcf63c3f

L163[04:13:50] <GreaseMonkey> ouch

L164[04:14:08] <xandaros> Yeah... it actually hurt :D

L165[04:14:09] <GreaseMonkey> to quickly clarify: branches generally execute the operation after htem

L166[04:14:37] <GreaseMonkey> the only exception to this rule is if it's a "likely" branch or if it's an ERET, neither of these show up here

L167[04:14:50] <xandaros> wat?

L168[04:15:04] <GreaseMonkey> yeah, welcome to MIPS, there's a very logical reason as to why that happens

L169[04:15:20] <GreaseMonkey> but it can bite you in the arse if you aren't prepared for it

L170[04:15:43] <xandaros> So, even if the branch “triggers”, it will still execute the next instruction?

L171[04:16:01] <GreaseMonkey> yes, unless you have one of those two situations in which case it will clear the op in that part of the pipeline

L172[04:16:24] <GreaseMonkey> there's basically a 1 op prefetch

L173[04:16:55] <xandaros> Right, so you have to make sure any instruction after a branch is inert in the branching case. Or just put a nop

L174[04:17:34] <xandaros> Still seems a bit odd to me

L175[04:18:01] <GreaseMonkey> if you look into MIPS for long enough it will make perfect sense

L176[04:18:08] <GreaseMonkey> basically, it's for speed reasons

L177[04:18:27] <xandaros> Yeah, I got that :P

L178[04:18:27] <GreaseMonkey> classic ARM on the other hand loses two cycles every single time a branch is taken

L179[04:18:43] <GreaseMonkey> simply because it chooses to flush rather than have a branch delay slot

L180[04:18:57] <GreaseMonkey> in hindsight the branch delay slot actually ended up complicating things on more complex designs

L181[04:19:11] <GreaseMonkey> but back in 1985ish it was a very good idea

L182[04:19:33] <xandaros> Yeah, I think I'd prefer to lose those 2 cycles, to be honest :P At least then I know what code actually gets executed

L183[04:19:51] <GreaseMonkey> well i know what code gets executed too

L184[04:20:15] <GreaseMonkey> and losing cycles? what kind of demoscener *are* you?!

L185[04:20:36] <xandaros> Who said I'm a demoscener? :P

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L187[04:21:20] <GreaseMonkey> AHA. found the issue.

L188[04:21:29] <GreaseMonkey> 408: 80830000 lb v1,0(a0)

L189[04:21:34] <GreaseMonkey> this is where it loads the byte.

L190[04:21:39] <GreaseMonkey> 41c: a0a30020 sb v1,32(a1)

L191[04:21:39] <GreaseMonkey> 420: 64840001 daddiu a0,a0,1

L192[04:21:45] <GreaseMonkey> this is where it writes it to the serial port.

L193[04:21:55] <GreaseMonkey> i'm not clearing the instruction after it in the pipeline on an exception.

L194[04:23:16] <xandaros> Also, while I do enjoy some assembly every now and then, you'll usually find me on the opposite end of the spectrum of programming - in the Haskell corner :P

L195[04:23:57] <GreaseMonkey> for FP stuff i prefer Erlang

L196[04:24:30] <GreaseMonkey> my main lang is C, and my lang for quick calculations and general hacky tools is Python

L197[04:25:39] <xandaros> I use Haskell for both of those cases. I have a rather large dislike concerning dynamic languages and runtime errors

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L199[04:25:59] <GreaseMonkey> OTOH i hate strict dynamically-guessed typing

L200[04:26:14] <GreaseMonkey> i prefer my strict typing explicit

L201[04:26:48] <GreaseMonkey> assembly is great though, the only types you have are numbers and all other types are either numbers or applications of data structures

L202[04:26:55] <xandaros> I love my strong, static types

L203[04:26:59] <GreaseMonkey> but i do tend to do C

L204[04:27:10] <GreaseMonkey> as, well, the compiler tends to be a lot better at me at asm than i am

L205[04:27:23] <GreaseMonkey> i do like strong types, i also like being able to break them

L206[04:27:44] <xandaros> Well, there IS unsafeCoerce :P

L207[04:28:07] <GreaseMonkey> 2002 lines, and i *think* that's enough of the TLB stuff to be fully practical

L208[04:28:22] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: use theUnsafe

L209[04:29:17] <GreaseMonkey> oh hello gamax92... i don't think 64KB of RAM is enough for loading Lua into, but at least i have the TLB probably working almost completely adequately now

L210[04:29:32] <xandaros> GreaseMonkey: At least C has static types. I think I prefer static,weak over dynamic,strong

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<Forecaster> http://theworstthingsforsale.com/2016/08/23/bottle-opening-seat-belt-defeater/

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<Forecaster> this is amazing

L213[04:29:46] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: does elua have mips

L214[04:29:58] <GreaseMonkey> gamax92: what do you mean by "elua"

L215[04:30:47] <GreaseMonkey> either way, as "OC2" lacks a storage medium, i cannot abuse virtual memory to thrash it off the disk

L216[04:30:53] <GreaseMonkey> and i lack a 64-bit libc, so i'd need to fix that first

L217[04:31:19] <gamax92> oh you're doing this in oc2

L218[04:31:21] <GreaseMonkey> yeah

L219[04:32:12] <GreaseMonkey> either way, if the bus system can work cleanly with the Z80 (17a, 8d bits) and the MIPS3 (36a, 64d bits), then it will probably work with just about anything

L220[04:32:47] <GreaseMonkey> at the moment i'm just doing this all over the 8-bit bus

L221[04:32:59] <GreaseMonkey> i think the next thing i need now that i have the TLB pretty much done is the cache system

L222[04:34:37] <GreaseMonkey> i've shoved on an issue on the issue tracker requesting support for multiprocessing, and part of that is a request for an LL/SC API for the bus controller

L223[04:34:49]

<nxsupert> o/

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<nxsupert> OC2?

L225[04:35:49] <GreaseMonkey> it's basically a codename for a not-yet-released mod which is somewhere between OC and TIS-3D in terms of how, i guess "close to the metal" it is

L226[04:36:09]

<nxsupert> You mean Circuity?

L227[04:36:11] <GreaseMonkey> yes

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<nxsupert> Ah.

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<nxsupert> How usable is it right now?

L230[04:37:10] <GreaseMonkey> you kinda have to hack it to make it slip your program in but it can output to stdout

L231[04:38:37] <GreaseMonkey> i get the feeling that we may end up with an OS written in C, considering the Z80 core's test program is written using the sdcc compiler

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<nxsupert> It uses Z80 proccessor?

L233[04:40:45]

<nxsupert> Thats funny. Cause' I am trying to make a Z80 computer IRL ?

L234[04:42:18] <GreaseMonkey> and here i am on the other end of the spectrum (no pun intended) making a CPU that will hopefully make damn sure that the bus controller is as flexible as it will ever need to be

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<nxsupert> haha.

L236[04:43:06] <xandaros> lol

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<nxsupert> Hopefully your having more luck than me. I think I may have broken my FRAM chip.

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<nxsupert> Trying to solder SOIC footprint IC's is really really hard.

L239[04:45:53] <xandaros> Talking about soldering, I need to order more perfboard

L240[04:46:34] <xandaros> (And yes, soldering → perfboard seems like quite a leap to me, too... brains, how do they work)

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<nxsupert> I'm just using a breadboard.

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<nxsupert> Don't trust my self to do it correct the first time ?

L244[04:48:19] <xandaros> breadboard is fine for testing, but I use perfboard if I want to actually keep the project

L245[04:48:39] <xandaros> So, I usually stick in all on the breadboard first and if it works, move it all over to the perfboard

L246[04:49:13] <xandaros> If I really like the project, I might get a PCB, but that's a lot of effort and also not exactly cheap

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<nxsupert> Well this is the first time I have done anything major. Mostly i've just messed with a rasberry pi and arduino and a few components. Learning a lot though , like no connection to circuit != 0

L249[04:50:35] <xandaros> Oh yeah, floating pins are fun

L250[04:51:15] <xandaros> We had an LED strip here in the lab. If you touched one of the pins with some metal (not connected to anything), it would trigger the on/off switch

L251[04:51:50]

<nxsupert> And that crystal oscilators don't work on their own. I gave up trying to figure out how to make it work and just used a schmitt trigger invert , capacitor and variable resistor for a clock.

L252[04:52:56] <xandaros> The greatest annoyance about both bread- and perfboard is probably that you can't easily use SMD components. And some things only come as SMD :/

L253[04:53:23] <xandaros> (Thinking of USB connectors in particular right now, but there are other things, as well)

L254[04:54:05]

<nxsupert> SMD?

L255[04:54:33] <xandaros> surface mount device

L256[04:54:34]

<nxsupert> Or Surface mount.

L257[04:54:37]

<nxsupert> oh*

L258[04:55:07] <xandaros> “We provide 1 year warranty. If the item is defective, please notify us within 3 days of delivery.” - So, I have to tell them that it'll break in half a year?

L259[04:57:04]

<nxsupert> Yea. For the memory for this computer I am making I wanted something non-volitile , so I didn't need any EEPROM or Flash stuff. The only thing I found that was suitable was FRAM , But the only FRAM chip I could find that had a parrellel input rather than SPI or I2C had a SOIC footprint.

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<nxsupert> So I found an adapter. But I think I may have broke the chip when soldering it to the adapter.

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L270[05:19:59]

<nxsupert> Well. Thats annoying. I downloaded Circuitry and I am getting a compiling. Something about the method register isn;t defined for CapabilityManager.

L271[05:23:58] <Inari> * Circuity

L272[05:28:17]

<nxsupert> Any ideas what went wrong?

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L276[05:40:56] <GreaseMonkey> ok, how are you building it?

L277[05:41:01] <GreaseMonkey> i'm doing it through IDEA

L278[05:41:25] <GreaseMonkey> ./gradlew setupDevWorkspace idea

L279[05:41:29] <GreaseMonkey> is how i got it set up

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L281[05:41:34] <GreaseMonkey> i also fixed the javadoc comments

L282[05:41:37] <Vexatos> setupDecompWorkspace man D:<

L283[05:41:48] <GreaseMonkey> Dev still works fine

L284[05:45:17] <Inari> Decomp works fine too :p

L285[05:45:35] <GreaseMonkey> not as fine as dev does

L286[05:45:47] <Inari> with Dev you dont get the MC/forge code even :|

L287[05:45:47] <GreaseMonkey> no special gradle build config required

L288[05:46:00] * vifino groans and snuggles Lizzy

L289[05:46:43] <GreaseMonkey> also i'm far enough removed from MC with the code i write that it's not an issue

L290[05:48:10] <Inari> GreaseMonkey: well if you want to check how something is done in MC its kinda handy

L291[05:48:25] <xandaros> I used setupDecompWorkspace and didn't have to do any manual configurations

L292[05:57:05] * Lizzy snuggles vifino

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L296[06:20:44]

<nxsupert> Using eclipse.

L297[06:21:41]

<nxsupert> I'm guessing I am using a version of forge that is incompatible with Circuity somehow.

L298[06:24:23] <Tazz> http://i.imgur.com/0yEattH.png the tree is like super derpy but other than that its coming along haha

L299[06:24:33] <xandaros> gradlew build should work

L300[06:24:34] <Tazz> need flight for an actually good looking tree

L301[06:25:01] <xandaros> You can worry about IDE integration after you confirmed it actually works :P

L302[06:29:58]

<nxsupert> Well. The build command worked (I think)

L303[06:37:46]

<nxsupert> And I have no idea how anything works.

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L309[07:14:41]

<Kimiro> Mod idea. Liquid leaves.

L310[07:15:27]

<Kimiro> You pour it and it grows into thick volumes of leaves.

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L313[07:40:04] <Miyoyo> That's poetic

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L315[07:42:11] <TheFox> Helo everyone

L316[07:42:26] <Miyoyo> hi TheFox

L317[07:42:41] <TheFox> hello Miyoyo how have you been?

L318[07:43:05] <Miyoyo> I didn't get any shuteye this night and I just woke up from a 4 hour map

L319[07:43:22] <Miyoyo> nap*

L320[07:43:32] <TheFox> sorry to hear

L321[07:43:39] <Miyoyo> Meh

L322[07:43:59]

<MajGenRelativity> It's time

L323[07:44:09] <TheFox> what time?

L324[07:44:13]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm going to fix my computer or die trying

L325[07:44:18] <Miyoyo> >:3

L326[07:44:31]

<nxsupert> How?

L327[07:44:32]

<MajGenRelativity> LEROOYYYYYYYYYYY JENKINSSSSSSS

L328[07:44:33]

<Forecaster> list potential "die" scenarios please

L329[07:44:57]

<nxsupert> Electric shock by screen alternator?

L330[07:45:07] <TheFox> Majgen whats wrong with it?

L331[07:45:13] <Miyoyo> An ant colony finds a sugary liquid source, then they walk trough the motherboard AND the psu

L332[07:45:54]

<Kimiro> @Forecaster: Puncture femoral artery with a screwdriver trying to remove a stripped screw?

L333[07:46:12] <TheFox> why is everyone on corded?

L334[07:46:22]

<MajGenRelativity> RAM seems intact

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L336[07:46:26] <Miyoyo> Cause Discord or some shit

L337[07:46:26]

<Forecaster> I'm at school, can't irc from here

L338[07:46:39]

<MajGenRelativity> TheFox, my computer's BIOS went away

L339[07:46:43] <Miyoyo> MajGenRelativity: RAM death is rarely visible

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L341[07:46:57]

<MajGenRelativity> I can rule out corrosion at least

L342[07:47:49] <TheFox> Majgen laptop or tower?

L343[07:48:22]

<nxsupert> Laptop

L344[07:48:34] <Miyoyo> TheFox 2014 HP Envy with 16Gb of ram suffering of "Not-Starting"-itis

L345[07:48:46] <Miyoyo> Also Maj I thought about it

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L347[07:48:57] <Miyoyo> If the first megabyte of the RAM is bad

L348[07:49:01]

<MajGenRelativity> GB, not Gb :p

L349[07:49:03] <TheFox> cringe worthy, is it a soldered BIOS chip?

L350[07:49:08] <Miyoyo> the BIOS won't load entirely

L351[07:49:18] <Miyoyo> and the PC will say that it's corrupt

L352[07:49:19]

<MajGenRelativity> Haven't opened up everythinf

L353[07:49:27] <Miyoyo> Still, try Both sticks alone

L354[07:49:42]

<MajGenRelativity> What the hell

L355[07:49:44]

<Kimiro> TheFox: I'm on corded because I got a network ban from esper.

L356[07:49:50]

<Kimiro> Jk.

L357[07:49:56]

<MajGenRelativity> I think I just broke a RAM retainer clip

L358[07:50:02] <Miyoyo> Oshit

L359[07:50:10]

<MajGenRelativity> With minimal force

L360[07:50:29] <Miyoyo> How the fuck did you do this?

L361[07:50:54]

<MajGenRelativity> I don't know!

L362[07:50:59] <Miyoyo> Was it "User Error" or "QUALITY HP MAGIC"

L363[07:51:32]

<MajGenRelativity> The upper left clip is bentish

L364[07:51:45] <Miyoyo> Uh

L365[07:51:46] <TheFox> oh Kimiro i finally got around to seaching thorugh the logs for your username, its toooooo many results WAY to many

L366[07:51:53] <Miyoyo> You sure your ram is all the way pushed?

L367[07:52:02] <Miyoyo> Because if it isn't it will be at a slight angle

L368[07:52:41]

<MajGenRelativity> Look at the pic

L369[07:52:44] <Miyoyo> At worst, just try removing it (Push the tabs slightly away and the RAM stick should rise alone without any force)

L370[07:52:50]

<MajGenRelativity> It is bent with no RAM

L371[07:53:35] <TheFox> does grep support the pipeout command?

L372[07:53:58]

<MajGenRelativity> Alright, I think I put it back in

L373[07:54:24] <Miyoyo> did you put a single stick in?

L374[07:54:37]

<MajGenRelativity> Yep

L375[07:54:54]

<MajGenRelativity> In the other slot

L376[07:54:57] <Miyoyo> Try booting it

L377[07:55:01] <Miyoyo> If it doesn't work

L378[07:55:04] <Miyoyo> Swap sticks

L379[07:55:04]

<MajGenRelativity> Want to avoid touching that one as much as possible

L380[07:56:07]

<MajGenRelativity> I have SK Hynix ram, so at least it isn't no-name brand RAM

L381[07:56:21]

<MajGenRelativity> Hynix, Micron, and Samsung are the best

L382[07:57:07]

<MajGenRelativity> No go on startup

L383[07:57:11] <Miyoyo> Swap sticks

L384[07:57:14]

<MajGenRelativity> Yep

L385[07:59:57]

<MajGenRelativity> Nope

L386[08:00:13] <Miyoyo> Tried the other slot?

L387[08:00:23]

<MajGenRelativity> Am doing that now

L388[08:01:02] <TheFox> @Kimiro Going through these logs takes everything out of context, its created some "odd" reading material

L389[08:01:49] <Miyoyo> Here's a challenge: write something that is completely normal out of context but strange in-context

L390[08:02:21]

<MajGenRelativity> 1st stick Failed

L391[08:02:36] <TheFox> Miyoyo: Clearly you haven't read this file yet Miyoyo

L392[08:03:52]

<MajGenRelativity> Final chance for my the problem to be RAM related

L393[08:04:14] <Saphire> "Process finished with exit code 139"

L394[08:04:16] <Saphire> wat

L395[08:04:25] <Miyoyo> Otherwise it's either BIOS or the link between BIOS<->Chipset<->RAM

L396[08:04:33] <Miyoyo> And at that point good fucking luck

L397[08:04:42]

<MajGenRelativity> Yeah

L398[08:04:49] <TheFox> hello Saphire

L399[08:04:55]

<MajGenRelativity> That exceeds my capabilities really

L400[08:05:01] <Miyoyo> I witnessed something today

L401[08:05:04]

<nxsupert> You'd need a new motherboard if I am correct?

L402[08:05:08] <Miyoyo> Around 8am GMT+2

L403[08:05:18] <Miyoyo> Saphire was named Sapphire

L404[08:05:24]

<MajGenRelativity> @nxsupert my computer has multiple system boards

L405[08:05:30] <Saphire> nick is taken :C

L406[08:05:45]

<nxsupert> Replace all of them!

L407[08:05:47] <Miyoyo> Yeah but gen, there is only one with a chipset

L408[08:06:01]

<MajGenRelativity> Yeah, because I have the time to do that

L409[08:06:06] <Miyoyo> And still, nearly every laptop has different PCB design

L410[08:06:12] <Miyoyo> so it'll be expensive AF

L411[08:06:23]

<MajGenRelativity> And the money spent on that could be spent on a new laptop

L412[08:06:33] <Miyoyo> But i'm not sure what a repair shop could do

L413[08:06:40]

<MajGenRelativity> Idk

L414[08:06:46] <Miyoyo> Either you are out of luck and BOTH your ramsticks are out

L415[08:06:54] <Miyoyo> which is PRETTY improbable

L416[08:07:11]

<MajGenRelativity> I want to save myself the money of buying a new laptop if at all possible

L417[08:07:19] <Miyoyo> Or the key combination you do for USB bios recovery is not the correct one

L418[08:07:32]

<MajGenRelativity> Because that eats into the funds for my $4000 USD desktop

L419[08:07:53] <Miyoyo> Or maybe, just maybe they have a BIOS flash tool that is able to remotely overwrite the BIOS

L420[08:08:07]

<MajGenRelativity> That would be amazing

L421[08:08:12] <Miyoyo> Otherwise it's uselesslt spent mony

L422[08:08:48]

<MajGenRelativity> Alright, time to enact repair plan B

L423[08:08:54]

<MajGenRelativity> Unplug the HDD

L424[08:08:56]

<Kimiro> Hammer?

L425[08:09:19]

<MajGenRelativity> No

L426[08:09:29] <Miyoyo> Kimiro: A maximum amount of love ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L427[08:09:55]

<Kimiro> *gives Miyoyo a maximum amount of love*

L428[08:10:00] <Miyoyo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L429[08:10:04]

<MajGenRelativity> That, or enough rage to melt the Antarctic

L430[08:10:32]

<MajGenRelativity> Hopefully love and the few ideas I have left work

L431[08:10:40]

L432[08:10:44] <Miyoyo> Well gen "WATER" you waiting for getting your desktop setup?

L433[08:11:13]

<MajGenRelativity> Enough funds to make sure that I have a savings account after buying my desktop

L434[08:11:18]

<MajGenRelativity> Emergencies happen

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L436[08:11:35]

<MajGenRelativity> BIOS's poof away ?

L437[08:11:42]

<MajGenRelativity> :P *

L438[08:12:37] <Miyoyo> "Enuf Lafing, advanst John by his buro, with a voice as deep as the hole in his hart, hope gon since time immemorial."

L439[08:12:39] <Miyoyo> I assure you

L440[08:12:45] <Miyoyo> no word is wrongly written here

L441[08:12:48]

<MajGenRelativity> What

L442[08:13:11]

<MajGenRelativity> Alriggt

L443[08:13:19]

<MajGenRelativity> This is my last hope

L444[08:13:23]

<MajGenRelativity> Put out the feels

L445[08:13:44] <Miyoyo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Spelling_Board

L446[08:13:51] <Miyoyo> Read it and weep, bitch

L447[08:14:28] <Miyoyo> Oh, sorry

L448[08:14:54] <Miyoyo> Red it and weep, bitch

L449[08:15:34]

<Forecaster> I have never head of this :P

L450[08:15:42] <Miyoyo> Now you do.

L451[08:15:50]

<Forecaster> heard

L452[08:15:51] <Miyoyo> And I put dots at the end of my sentences.

L453[08:15:59]

<Forecaster> good for you

L454[08:15:59] <Miyoyo> Therefore I am a shitty person.

L455[08:16:08]

<Forecaster> so you've said

L456[08:16:27]

<nxsupert> ...

L457[08:18:53] <Miyoyo> I think MajGenRelativity broke

L458[08:19:07] * Kimiro fondles Miyoyo's hard drive platter

L459[08:19:24] <Miyoyo> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L460[08:19:31]

<MajGenRelativity> I did not

L461[08:19:43]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm just running out of possible key combos

L462[08:21:27] <Miyoyo> rip ur pc

L463[08:22:45]

<MajGenRelativity> If I have to get a new laptop, I want a GTX 1060 in it

L464[08:22:56]

<MajGenRelativity> Unless prices are absurd, which they may be

L465[08:23:11] <Kimiro> %stats

L466[08:23:12] <MichiBot> Kimiro: Stats: https://oclogs.pc-logix.com/stats.html

L467[08:23:17] <Kimiro> %p

L468[08:23:18] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Kimiro 0.16s

L469[08:23:28] <Miyoyo> %p

L470[08:23:29]

<MajGenRelativity> %p

L471[08:23:35] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Miyoyo 5.49s

L472[08:23:43] <Miyoyo> I'm still the king here

L473[08:23:50]

<MajGenRelativity> %p

L474[08:24:00]

<MajGenRelativity> Welp

L475[08:24:02] <Caitlyn> How do you expect the bot to ping you..?

L476[08:24:06] <Caitlyn> You're on discord

L477[08:24:07]

<MajGenRelativity> Idk

L478[08:24:10] <Miyoyo> rip

L479[08:24:15]

<Forecaster> haha "king"

L480[08:24:19]

<MajGenRelativity> I thought it would ping Corded at least

L481[08:24:20]

<Forecaster> :P

L482[08:24:28] <Caitlyn> Corded doesn't respond to CTCPs

L483[08:24:34]

<MajGenRelativity> Ah

L484[08:24:47] <Caitlyn> well, to ctcp pings anyway

L485[08:24:51] <Caitlyn> it does respond to version

L486[08:26:27]

<Kimiro> *eats Caitlyn*

L487[08:26:38] <Caitlyn> …

L488[08:27:18]

<MajGenRelativity> *eats @Kimiro*

L489[08:27:25] <Izaya> MGR, expect double the price for it to be in a laptop

L490[08:27:32]

<MajGenRelativity> Yep

L491[08:27:38] <nxsupert> %p

L492[08:27:40] <Izaya> except if it's a low power Intel CPU

L493[08:27:43] <MichiBot> Ping reply from nxsupert 2.35s

L494[08:27:43] <nxsupert> %p

L495[08:27:47] * Kimiro does the lewdest things in MGR's stomach

L496[08:27:49]

<MajGenRelativity> I may not be able to afford that

L497[08:27:50] <Izaya> in which case it's the reverse

L498[08:28:00]

<nxsupert> I am in 2 places at once.

L499[08:28:05] <nxsupert> Muhahahaha!

L500[08:28:12]

<MajGenRelativity> *destroys @Kimiro *

L501[08:28:16] <Izaya> %p

L502[08:28:17] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Izaya 0.93s

L503[08:28:19] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Izaya 0.57s

L504[08:28:31] <Izaya> I am in multiple places at once.

L505[08:28:49] * Kimiro is indestructible (lethal damage and "destroy" effects don't destroy him).

L506[08:28:49] <nxsupert> @125708450763112448 hello!

L507[08:29:02] <nxsupert> Nope. That didn't work.

L508[08:29:11]

<MajGenRelativity> *destroys @Kimiro again*

L509[08:29:12] <Izaya> #p

L510[08:29:12] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 0.441263872 Seconds passed.

L511[08:29:24] <Izaya> boring

L512[08:29:25] * Kimiro points to previous

L513[08:29:29] <nxsupert> @MajGenRelativity#4971 Hello!

L514[08:29:35] * Miyoyo shifts the frame of reality Kimiro currently is on

L515[08:29:37]

<MajGenRelativity> destroys @Kimiro again

L516[08:29:40] <Caitlyn> No, you can't ping anyone on discord from IRC

L517[08:29:49]

<MajGenRelativity> Nxsupert, it didn't trigger me :(

L518[08:29:49] <nxsupert> Obviously corded doesn't support that.

L519[08:29:54] <Caitlyn> corded doesn't call the notify methods in the API

L520[08:29:55] <Kimiro> Miyoyo: So... All of them?

L521[08:29:59] <Caitlyn> cause it's a bitch to do.

L522[08:30:00] <Miyoyo> Exactly

L523[08:30:51] <Caitlyn> %test

L524[08:30:53] <MichiBot> Caitlyn: Success

L525[08:31:00] * Caitlyn pokes Hexchat

L526[08:31:03] <Caitlyn> anyway off to work

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L528[08:31:26] <Miyoyo_> What the hell happened?

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L530[08:31:54] * Miyoyo_ prays Miyoyo with a catholic priest

L531[08:32:03] * Miyoyo_ lets Miyoyo disappear into a black hole

L532[08:32:27] <Miyoyo_> How long's the timeout here?

L533[08:32:38] <Kimiro> Forever.

L534[08:32:42] <Miyoyo_> Aw :(

L535[08:32:59]

<Forecaster> timeout?

L536[08:33:06]

<Forecaster> timeout for what?

L537[08:33:12] <Kimiro> You.

L538[08:33:27] <Miyoyo_> IDK My main nick suddently disconnected for no reason

L539[08:33:31] ⇦ Quits: Miyoyo (~Miyoyo@ip-83-134-236-113.dsl.scarlet.be) (Ping timeout: 202 seconds)

L540[08:33:38] <Miyoyo_> 202s k

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L543[08:34:07] <Kimiro> All these squares make a circle.

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L545[08:34:22]

<Forecaster> but what resolution

L546[08:34:34] * Kimiro is now known as Miyoyo

L547[08:34:41] <Miyoyo> ow

L548[08:34:50]

<MajGenRelativity> What

L549[08:34:55]

<MajGenRelativity> Oh, nvm

L550[08:35:00] <Kimiro> Lol

L551[08:35:08] <Miyoyo> So maj

L552[08:35:09] <Miyoyo> any luck?

L553[08:35:13]

<MajGenRelativity> Nope

L554[08:35:17] <Miyoyo> rip

L555[08:35:40]

<MajGenRelativity> I'm letting it sit there for another 5 minutes, then I am probably taking it to a repair shop

L556[08:35:42] <Kimiro> RIP in peace.

L557[08:35:57] <Miyoyo> Maj ask for a repair price estimate

L558[08:36:30] <Miyoyo> If it exceeds 250 EUR/USD/KPW

L559[08:36:40] <Miyoyo> Well ur fucked

L560[08:37:34]

<MajGenRelativity> Yeah

L561[08:37:39]

<MajGenRelativity> What is KPW?

L562[08:37:55] <Izaya> what laptop has more than one main mobo?

L563[08:38:03] <Miyoyo> None

L564[08:38:14] <Miyoyo> but some use split PCBs to reduce costs

L565[08:38:29] <Miyoyo> and bridge PCBs with ribbon cables

L566[08:38:37]

<MajGenRelativity> Mine does

L567[08:38:44] <Izaya> yeah one of mine has that

L568[08:38:53] <Miyoyo> None does, it's just split

L569[08:39:01] <Izaya> it's not really a major component though

L570[08:39:07]

<MajGenRelativity> And since I've broken or lost nearly everything I touched, I'm going to take it in to a shop

L571[08:39:10] <Miyoyo> Because if you go that way my laptop has seven

L572[08:39:10] <Izaya> just the VGA out and USB

L573[08:39:20] <Izaya> wtf

L574[08:39:23] <Izaya> mine has 2

L575[08:39:31] <Izaya> because it has a fan

L576[08:39:51]

<MajGenRelativity> My laptop has 3 PCB's I think

L577[08:39:56]

<MajGenRelativity> Might be more

L578[08:40:36] <Miyoyo> MB/GPU/left USB/left powerplug&HDMI/ActivityLeds/Power Button/HDD

L579[08:41:59]

<MajGenRelativity> Rocking out with HD 4600, so no GPU board

L580[08:42:10]

<MajGenRelativity> I heard of a laptop with liquid cooling once

L581[08:42:25]

<MajGenRelativity> I was confused as to how it was light enough to be very portable

L582[08:43:14] <Miyoyo> It's not :D

L583[08:44:05]

<MajGenRelativity> Yeah

L584[08:44:13]

<MajGenRelativity> At that point, just get a desktop

L585[08:45:29] <Miyoyo> One of my laptop fan is so loud it sounds like a fuckin airbus

L586[08:46:00]

<MajGenRelativity> That was my laptop until I did a BIOS update

L587[08:46:08]

<MajGenRelativity> Now it is quieter

L588[08:46:28]

<MajGenRelativity> But I hit 95C playing games and get thermal throttling

L589[08:46:42]

<MajGenRelativity> I was displeased because I could have handled the noise

L590[08:46:49] *** Darkhax_AFK is now known as Darkhax

L591[08:48:22] ⇦ Quits: VikeStep (~VikeStep@101.184.243.180) (Quit: Leaving)

L592[08:50:50] <Michiyo> Miyoyo, each server has a different timeout, I've seen some as low as 180 seconds, and some as high as 320+

L593[08:51:24] ⇦ Quits: xarses_ (~xarses@c-73-202-191-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 190 seconds)

L594[08:54:58] * Inari runs in, gropes Ember_Primrose and runs off!

L595[08:55:35] <Michiyo> %wtf

L596[08:55:35] <MichiBot> Michiyo: http://goo.gl/UZF0R6

L597[08:55:37] <Michiyo> :P

L598[08:57:24]

<Forecaster> I found a helicopter whale, enjoy: http://imgur.com/gallery/63B8W

L599[08:57:52] <Miyoyo> No

L600[08:57:53] <Miyoyo> you found

L601[08:57:58] <Miyoyo> a "Whalicopter"

L602[08:59:48]

<Forecaster> you call it that, I'll keep calling it a helicopter whale

L603[08:59:49]

<Forecaster> :P

L604[09:01:05]

<Forecaster> http://i.imgur.com/THxJTYw.jpg this is also great

L605[09:06:56]

<MajGenRelativity> That is what my face looks like right now

L606[09:07:11] <Saphire> http://imgur.com/gallery/8JhmdwU ...i forgot to shoot the edge deletion as well .-.

L607[09:07:13]

<Kimiro> @MajGenRelativity Damn you ugly.

L608[09:08:35]

<MajGenRelativity> @Kimiro#4076

L609[09:23:21] <TheCryptek> %seen TheFox

L610[09:23:24] <MichiBot> TheCryptek: TheFox was last seen 1h 18m 32s ago.

L611[09:23:32]

<Mimiru> $$$ yourself @Kimiro

L612[09:24:02]

<Kimiro> Lol

L613[09:24:32]

<Kimiro> How about you £££ my $$$ until the world makes ¢¢¢.

L614[09:24:56] * TheFox slaps TheCryptek

L615[09:24:56] * EnderBot2 chuckles

L616[09:24:59] <TheFox> there you saw me

L617[09:25:11] <TheCryptek> Yup I saw ye

L618[09:25:20] <TheFox> im downloading the pack now

L619[09:25:30] <TheFox> correction, im launching the pack now

L620[09:25:35] <TheCryptek> Okay, I got something to tell you in the server after words :P

L621[09:25:38]

<Kimiro> *slaps TheCryptek*

L622[09:25:40] <TheCryptek> DO NOT JOIN THE SERVER

L623[09:25:41] <TheCryptek> :o

L624[09:25:47] <TheCryptek> Why is it slap Cryptek Today :o

L625[09:25:50] <TheFox> TheCryptek: err whats wrong?

L626[09:25:51] * TheCryptek slaps himself

L627[09:25:51] * EnderBot2 rulls on the floor laughing

L628[09:25:57] <TheCryptek> Gotta upload le new mods

L629[09:25:58] * TheFox slaps EnderBot2

L630[09:25:58] * EnderBot2 grabs Ender's Katana and slices TheFox in half

L631[09:26:03] <TheFox> welp, shit

L632[09:26:11] <TheCryptek> It'll only take a few seconds

L633[09:26:18] <TheFox> at least you get to see my better half

L634[09:26:44] * TheFox pokes EnderBot2

L635[09:26:53] * TheFox waves at EnderBot2

L636[09:27:05]

<Kimiro> *slips a roof into @Mimiru's drink*

L637[09:27:05] <TheFox> ok nvmd ignore me why dont you

L638[09:27:15]

<Mimiru> An entire roof? nice

L639[09:27:24]

<Kimiro> Yep.

L640[09:27:34] <TheCryptek> TheFox: Who is ignoring you :o

L641[09:27:35]

<Kimiro> Guaranteed leak proof.

L642[09:27:44] <TheFox> TheCryptek: EnderBot2 :)

L643[09:27:50] <TheCryptek> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

L644[09:28:01] * TheCryptek slaps EnderBot2

L645[09:28:01] * EnderBot2 feeds TheCryptek to the lions

L646[09:28:03] * Kimiro slaps TheCryptek with a music instrument

L647[09:28:04] * EnderBot2 chuckles

L648[09:28:05] <TheCryptek> HA!

L649[09:28:10] <TheFox> i think he loves hating me

L650[09:28:14] <TheCryptek> lol

L651[09:28:34] * Kimiro hugs EnderBot2

L652[09:28:34] * EnderBot2 is wondering why Kimiro is hugging him...

L653[09:28:39] <TheCryptek> TheFox: Server is officially down for a minute or so

L654[09:28:47] <TheFox> i mean, its not very often someone cuts you in two, thats a goo d thing right?

L655[09:28:56] * Kimiro kisses EnderBot2

L656[09:28:58] * Miyoyo blows EnderBot2 up with 1 ton of c4

L657[09:29:06] * TheFox high-fives EnderBot2

L658[09:29:16] * Miyoyo waits alone for a high-five partner

L659[09:29:18] * TheFox gawks at the explosion of 1 ton of c4

L660[09:29:27] * TheCryptek high-fives Miyoyo

L661[09:29:31] * Kimiro slaps 5 with Miyoyo

L662[09:29:31] * EnderBot2 chuckles

L663[09:29:37] * Miyoyo is happy then sad.

L664[09:29:48] * Miyoyo is sad because tacos aren't sentient

L665[09:29:52] * Miyoyo slaps Miyoyo with a PRIVMSG

L666[09:29:53] * EnderBot2 rulls on the floor laughing

L667[09:29:58] * Kimiro hugs EnderBot2

L668[09:29:58] * EnderBot2 is wondering why Kimiro is hugging him...

L669[09:30:20] * Kimiro slaps EnderBot2 with a restraining order

L670[09:30:20] * EnderBot2 feeds Kimiro to the lions

L671[09:30:26] <TheFox> Miyoyo: if tacos where sentient, we would have a problem. they are one of my favorite foods

L672[09:30:32] <TheFox> seconded by berries

L673[09:30:36] <Miyoyo> No, it would be awesome

L674[09:30:40] <Miyoyo> you get to eat

L675[09:30:41] <TheCryptek> NEI doesn't need to be installed on the server right?

L676[09:30:49] <TheFox> Correct

L677[09:30:49] <Miyoyo> AND you hear cries of innocent life-formsç

L678[09:30:50] <Miyoyo> !*

L679[09:31:00] <TheCryptek> Balls gotta delete it from server files

L680[09:31:00] <TheFox> the hell Miyoyo

L681[09:31:08] * TheFox hides from Miyoyo

L682[09:31:13] <Miyoyo> >:3

L683[09:31:28] * TheFox shoves TheCryptek towards Miyoyo

L684[09:31:30] * Kimiro eats Miyoyo like a 99¢ taco

L685[09:31:39] * TheCryptek hugs miyoyo

L686[09:31:55] * Miyoyo is 97.45% happy

L687[09:31:56] <TheCryptek> 99 cent tacos destroy my bathrooms... >..

L688[09:31:59] <TheCryptek> >.>*

L689[09:32:11] <Miyoyo> In belgium

L690[09:32:14] <Miyoyo> there is no taco bell

L691[09:32:16] <Miyoyo> nor KFCs

L692[09:32:27] <Miyoyo> Or burger king

L693[09:32:32] <Miyoyo> or anything really

L694[09:32:38] <Miyoyo> except for McDonalds

L695[09:33:14]

<Kimiro> *eats Miyoyo like baklava*

L696[09:33:24] <Miyoyo> Baklava?

L697[09:33:28] <Miyoyo> Not Balaclava?

L698[09:33:33] <Miyoyo> Or Balclava?

L699[09:33:40] <Miyoyo> Or whatever the fuck this shit is spelled like

L700[09:33:48] <Miyoyo> Or should I say Spelt

L701[09:34:15]

<Kimiro> Spelt is delicious.

L702[09:34:28]

<Kimiro> I like it alot.

L703[09:34:47]

<Kimiro> Its defiantly the best

L704[09:35:30] <Miyoyo> You also have an alot?

L705[09:35:33] <Miyoyo> I love my alot

L706[09:35:49] <TheFox> #lua for i=0,5 do print("TheCryptek") end

L707[09:35:52] <TheFox> shit

L709[09:35:56] <TheFox> ahh

L710[09:35:58] <TheFox> there we go

L711[09:36:19] <Miyoyo> #lua print(coroutine.isyieldable())

L712[09:36:22] <TheFox> awww, my attempts to ping him dont seem to have worked

L713[09:36:24] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > true | nil

L714[09:36:29]

<Kimiro> *misses |0xDEADBEEF|

L715[09:36:44] <TheCryptek> TheFox #lua for i=0,5 do print("TheFox's duckling.") end

L716[09:36:47] <TheCryptek> SHIT

L717[09:36:47] <Miyoyo> #lua print(#_ENV)

L718[09:36:47] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 0 | nil

L719[09:36:53] <TheCryptek> #lua for i=0,5 do print("TheFox's duckling.") end

L720[09:36:56] <Miyoyo> #lua print(#_ENV)

L722[09:36:58] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 0 | nil

L723[09:37:03] <Miyoyo> #lua print(#_G)

L724[09:37:03] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > 0 | nil

L725[09:37:15] <TheCryptek> #lua print("Hai")

L726[09:37:15] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > Hai | nil

L727[09:37:18] <TheFox> errrm i dont have a duck

L728[09:37:27] <Miyoyo> #lua for i in pairs(_G) do print(i) end

L729[09:37:27] <TheCryptek> TheFox: So you are a female owo

L730[09:37:27] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > Output: http://pb.i0i0.me/p/cq2Upj72

L731[09:37:39] <TheFox> er, i thought you actually meant a duck

L732[09:37:42] <Miyoyo> #lua for i in pairs(_ENV) do print(i) end

L733[09:37:43] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > Output: http://pb.i0i0.me/p/d5fQ83Fm

L734[09:37:45] <TheCryptek> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

L735[09:38:09] <TheCryptek> TheFox: Server is starting up

L736[09:38:23] <TheFox> so Deadbeef can execute IRC commands?

L737[09:38:47] <TheCryptek> Deadbeef?

L738[09:38:50] <TheFox> there has to be a limit somewhere, where does deadbeef stop executing?

L739[09:39:01] <TheCryptek> Who is deadbeef owo

L740[09:39:04] <Miyoyo> #lua _G = setmetatable(_G,{__index=function () if coroutine.isyieldable() then coroutine.yield() end end}; _ENV = setmetatable(_ENV,{__index=function () if coroutine.isyieldable() then coroutine.yield() end end};

L741[09:39:04] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: ')' expected near ';'

L742[09:39:16] <Miyoyo> #lua _G = setmetatable(_G,{__index=function () if coroutine.isyieldable() then coroutine.yield() end end}); _ENV = setmetatable(_ENV,{__index=function () if coroutine.isyieldable() then coroutine.yield() end end});

L743[09:39:16] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "line"]:54: Not allowed.

L744[09:39:18] <Miyoyo> aw

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L746[09:39:43] *** gAway2002 is now known as g

L747[09:39:45] <TheFox_> woops discon

L748[09:39:46] <TheCryptek> #lua os.sleep(5)

L749[09:39:46] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to call a nil value (field 'sleep')

L750[09:39:53] <TheCryptek> Oh

L751[09:39:55] <TheCryptek> Wrong

L752[09:39:55] <Miyoyo> os.sleep does not exist

L753[09:39:57] <TheCryptek> LOL

L754[09:39:58] <Miyoyo> but unix sleep does

L755[09:40:02] <TheCryptek> I know

L756[09:40:03] <TheCryptek> ._.

L757[09:40:08] <Miyoyo> #lua print(package.path)

L758[09:40:09] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to index a nil value (global 'package')

L759[09:40:15] <TheCryptek> I forgot how to call unix sleep in lua

L760[09:40:28] <TheFox_> um, just requre('os') the os package does exisit, i think

L761[09:40:33] <Miyoyo> ...

L762[09:40:50] <Miyoyo> #lua print(type(randomshit))

L763[09:40:50] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > function | nil

L764[09:40:53] ⇦ Quits: TheFox (webchat@74-92-187-106-Richmond.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by TheFox_)))

L765[09:40:55] *** TheFox_ is now known as TheFox

L766[09:41:14] <Miyoyo> #lua for i in pairs(os) do print(i) end

L768[09:41:26] <TheCryptek> #lua print(random)

L769[09:41:26] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > nil | nil

L770[09:41:52] <Miyoyo> #lua for i in pairs(nick) do print(i) end

L771[09:41:52] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > [string "lua"]:1: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got string)

L772[09:41:53] <Saphire> OKAY RANDOM QUESTION TIME

L773[09:42:01] <Miyoyo> #lua print(nick)

L774[09:42:01] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > Miyoyo | nil

L775[09:42:03] <Miyoyo> ye?

L776[09:42:04] <Saphire> TEXT RENDERING?

L777[09:42:10] <Miyoyo> What, text rendering?

L778[09:42:12] <Saphire> how do i do it even?

L779[09:42:19] <Miyoyo> With wat

L780[09:42:24] <Miyoyo> cockroaches?

L781[09:42:26] <Saphire> C++ and opengl atm

L782[09:42:27] <Miyoyo> Oreo packets?

L783[09:42:45] <Miyoyo> IDK either make a 2d renderer or just use windows api

L784[09:43:51] <TheFox> and so restarts the fight with ecdh

L785[09:43:54] <Miyoyo> Or just do an offscreen rendertarget and draw a two-triangle flat surface if you want to do it the hard way

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L787[09:44:09] <Saphire> >windows api

L788[09:44:12] <Saphire> wat?

L789[09:44:51] <Miyoyo> With enough hope, CPU cycles and whip lashes, you literally can do anything with the winapi

L790[09:48:31] <TheFox> Miyoyo: you the one that told me about ecdh right?

L791[09:48:54] <Miyoyo> I don't know shit about crypto sorry

L792[09:49:06] <fingercomp> Saphire: font rendering isn't a part of OpenGL API. Either make your own text renderer, or find one on the internet (e.g., freetype)

L793[09:49:08] <TheFox> so your not the one that told me

L794[09:49:15] <Miyoyo> no

L795[09:49:18] <Saphire> THAT i know

L796[09:49:28] <Saphire> okay..

L797[09:49:35] <Miyoyo> And if you know that

L798[09:49:39] <Miyoyo> what do you want to do?

L799[09:49:52] <Saphire> GUI, text labels for nodes, colored nodes/edges, file saving/loading oooooooor networking?

L800[09:49:56] <Saphire> What to do?

L801[09:50:15] <Miyoyo> Do everything

L802[09:50:19] <Miyoyo> separately

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L805[10:17:03]

<MajGenRelativity> Taking my laptop to a repair shop :(

L806[10:18:02] <Miyoyo> Give it a name before it dies :(

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L808[10:18:13]

<MajGenRelativity> Why?

L809[10:18:59] <Miyoyo> Respect

L810[10:19:03] <Miyoyo> [F]<-

L811[10:19:31] <Miyoyo> Come on people I want some Fs in here

L812[10:19:49]

<MajGenRelativity> My laptop is named Althaz then

L813[10:20:02] <Miyoyo> Rip althaz 2014-2016

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L815[10:20:06] <Miyoyo> [F]<-

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L817[10:23:21]

<MajGenRelativity> ?

L818[10:23:34]

<MajGenRelativity> My laptop needs to survive

L819[10:23:39] <Miyoyo> Press F to pay respects

L820[10:23:43]

<MajGenRelativity> There is no other option

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L822[10:32:05] <Saphire> badum-ts

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L824[10:34:56]

<MajGenRelativity> Death March time

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L827[10:43:39]

<nxsupert> ?

L828[10:44:39] <Miyoyo> There are kids in my street shouting like fucking fire truck sirens

L829[10:44:43] <Miyoyo> or police sirens

L830[10:44:52] <Miyoyo> Please, send us a little IQ

L831[10:44:54] <Miyoyo> -Me

L832[10:45:00] <Miyoyo> -Yoyo

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L834[10:58:51] <Saphire> wooohoooo

L835[10:58:55] <Saphire> i can zoom in and out

L836[10:59:02] <Saphire> and also i render everything ._.

L837[10:59:03] <Miyoyo> Nice, Saphire with one P

L838[10:59:07] <Saphire> even things that are offscreen

L839[10:59:14] <Skye> Saphire, \o/

L840[10:59:25] <Saphire> yay terrible rendering

L841[10:59:36] <Saphire> but eh, it's not OC

L842[10:59:49] <Miyoyo> >R O A S T E D

L843[11:00:29] <Lizzy> Miyoyo, wat?

L844[11:00:40] <Miyoyo> [17:59:31] <Saphire> yay terrible rendering

L845[11:00:40] <Miyoyo> [17:59:42] <Saphire> but eh, it's not OC

L846[11:07:48] <Saphire> i mean that i'm rendering DAMN CIRCLES

L847[11:07:58] <Miyoyo> SCIRKELS

L848[11:08:11] <Saphire> it's not like rendering a bunch of them offscreen will hurt the speed or anything

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L850[11:19:54] <Inari> (╙_╜)

L851[11:20:32] <Skye> Inari, wut?

L852[11:20:39] <Inari> dunno, but it looks funny

L853[11:20:50] <Inari> eyelashes from hell?

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L855[11:21:07] <Skye> ah

L856[11:21:47] <Inari> ┎(╙_╜)┚

L857[11:24:49] <Inari> mhmmm

L858[11:25:00] * Inari still looking for some nice non-combat game to play xD

L859[11:25:12] <Inari> maye i could try E:D again

L860[11:25:18] <MalkContent> *non-combat*

L861[11:25:18] <Inari> new gpu should make it run better too

L862[11:25:29] <MalkContent> i'd have suggested monkey island 3

L863[11:25:33] <MalkContent> combat is brutal tho

L864[11:25:41] <Inari> eh, im not a fan of point&clicks

L865[11:25:54] <Inari> unless perhaps they'd have a very interseting (to me) story and cahracters

L866[11:26:04] <Inari> safe to say, i didnt encounter any that would fulfill that requirement yet

L867[11:26:11] <Inari> and monkey isalnd certainly is not that

L868[11:26:19] <Temia> What.

L869[11:26:26] <MalkContent> ಠ_ಠ

L870[11:26:41] <Temia> Did you just diss the characterisation of Monkey Island(TM)?

L871[11:26:51] <Inari> I'm saying it does not appeal to me

L872[11:26:52] <vifino> wtf

L873[11:26:59] <MalkContent> i now understand why there is war in the world

L874[11:27:25] <Inari> i mean to start with i hatemonkeys so that title already is questionable :P

L875[11:27:26] <vifino> same.

L876[11:27:28] <Vexatos> Inari, do you even Deponia ._.

L877[11:27:35] <Inari> Vexatos: nope

L878[11:27:38] <Vexatos> pls

L879[11:27:43] <Vexatos> YOU ARE GERMAN

L880[11:27:44] <Vexatos> USE THIS POWER

L881[11:27:58] <vifino> Vexatos: buy me deponia

L882[11:28:00] <vifino> :>

L883[11:28:10] <Inari> dont like point&click inherently, dont like deponias artstyle or character

L884[11:28:15] <Inari> i'd watch it in a stream perhaps, by phunk

L885[11:28:17] <Inari> but wouldnt play it

L886[11:28:22] * Temia draws sabre

L887[11:28:36] <Temia> YOU FIGHT LIKE A DAIRY FARMER

L888[11:28:38] <Vexatos> pls

L889[11:28:51] <vifino> Can we add a new rule to #oc? Ignore Inari's opinion.

L890[11:28:54] <Inari> i think phunk played it at some point even! *goes to browse the you tubes*

L891[11:28:58] <MalkContent> "Killing you would be justifiable homicide."

L892[11:29:05] <Lizzy> vifino, i thought that was already implied

L893[11:29:10] <Vexatos> Inari, one cannot not like point&click games without defying the laws of physics

L894[11:29:13] <Vexatos> So stop lying

L895[11:29:42] <Inari> i dunno

L896[11:29:47] <Inari> its a weird genre

L897[11:29:59] <vifino> Your face is weird. >:I

L898[11:30:06] <MalkContent> if you never play any other point and click

L899[11:30:12] <MalkContent> still play monkey island 3

L900[11:30:15] <Inari> you can only do the specific things you're supposed to do, have this other solution that would work but doesnt because you need the item you'd use later in the game and thus the game doesnt let you use it? yeah

L901[11:30:16] <Vexatos> Also, you are trying to say bad things about Monkey Island in #oc, a channel for a mod by MightyPirates which adds grog and like a dozen other MI references :X

L902[11:30:33] <Lizzy> Inari, E:D is good, if you get back into it you could maybe join me and Forecaster when we play it

L903[11:30:48] <Vexatos> Inari, then it's a bad game

L904[11:30:53] <Vexatos> Monkey Island is not a bad game >_>

L905[11:31:02] <Skye> What is "E:D"? :P

L906[11:31:05] <Vexatos> None of the three

L907[11:31:07] <Lizzy> Elite Dangerous

L908[11:31:12] <Vexatos> MI 4 is crap but that has other reasons

L909[11:31:20] <Lizzy> like Eve Online but better

L910[11:31:20] <Vexatos> We don't talk about MI 4

L911[11:31:21] <Inari> Vexatos: thats all the point&clicks though, you ahve to find this very specific solution to the problem, its like a logic puzzle game where you ahve to udnerstand what the level maker wanted you to do, but more convoluted

L912[11:31:37] <Vexatos> IT IS A PUZZLE GAME

L913[11:31:40] <Vexatos> THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT

L914[11:31:51] <Vexatos> and it is not convoluted

L915[11:31:56] <MalkContent> well the humor and all the handled false solutions are the other point ^^

L916[11:31:58] <Inari> but logic puzzles make sense

L917[11:32:03] * Skye shoots portals underneath Inari and Vexatos

L918[11:32:05] <Vexatos> the entire point is that you have puzzles you solve by thinking logically

L919[11:32:14] <Inari> they are based on logic, not on "you can only solve the problem in this speicifc way for no reason"

L920[11:32:53] <Inari> anyway, i dont like MI's cast, so not that i'd consider it a game to play in the first place :P I might try a point&click if i find one i find of interest though

L921[11:32:58] <Vexatos> there is only that specific way because others would not make sense

L922[11:33:18] <Inari> Vexatos: for the most part, others do make sense, unless you know the rest of the game

L923[11:33:29] <Vexatos> If you have a flintstone, a banana and a coin and you're trying to make fire, what would you use.

L924[11:33:33] <Vexatos> >_>

L925[11:33:40] <MalkContent> banana

L926[11:33:45] <Inari> yeah but you have matches too

L927[11:33:49] <MalkContent> obvously you would pay the monkey

L928[11:33:51] <Inari> but you cant use the flintstone

L929[11:33:54] <Vexatos> Except you don't because the game is good-designed

L930[11:33:56] <Inari> cause the game wants you to use the matches

L931[11:34:00] <Inari> :P

L932[11:34:00] <MalkContent> to climb up to the volcano

L933[11:34:03]

<MajGenRelativity> Alright, my laptop is in the repair shop

L934[11:34:04] <MalkContent> and light up a stick

L935[11:34:05] <Inari> anyway

L936[11:34:06] <Vexatos> Inari, that is what will never happen

L937[11:34:14] <Vexatos> you clearly haven't played any good adventure game yet

L938[11:34:19] <Inari> if i find a nicely designed point&click with nice character I will play it xD

L939[11:35:25] <MalkContent> dott and mi3 are revelations :P let's just say the genre is not for you

L940[11:35:36] <MalkContent> just like transport simulation games are not for me

L941[11:36:11] <Vexatos> Inari, how about The Secret of Monkey Island, Monkey Island 2, The Curse of Monkey Island :P

L942[11:36:15] <MalkContent> also you are totally missing out on skull island that way

L943[11:36:26] * Temia ... jabs Inari with the sabre. :T

L944[11:36:39] * vifino stabs Inari

L945[11:36:55] <Vexatos> Or how about literally any of these http://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=Daedalic%20Entertainment

L946[11:37:18] <Temia> What's the point of insult swordfighting if the opponent doesn't fight? Is this some kind of zen insult swordfighting? Riposting by not-riposting?

L947[11:37:29] <vifino> Vexatos: Monkey Island (the original) with a Roland MT-32, the sound *.*

L948[11:37:38] <vifino> music* rather

L949[11:37:39] <Vexatos> vifino, holy cow

L950[11:37:49] <Inari> i watched a game of daedalic once, it had those issues i mentioned. i dont really like thier artstyle, but might look trhoguh the list to see if theres any nice ones

L951[11:38:06] <Vexatos> Like they have one art style

L952[11:38:09] <Vexatos> >_>

L953[11:38:21] <vifino> Vexatos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdd2CNlcqn0

L954[11:38:22] <MichiBot> The Secret of Monkey Island (Roland MT-32) | length: 7m 42s | Likes: 55 Dislikes: 0 Views: 9037 | by ponytear

L955[11:38:51] * Temia jabs Inari a few more times, then bahs and walks off :T

L956[11:39:08] <Inari> Memoria sounds somewhat interesting, has a nicer artstyle too

L957[11:39:26] <Vexatos> You have the privilege of knowing German, this is one of a few occasions where this is useful

L958[11:39:27] <Vexatos> >_>

L959[11:39:41] <vifino> ^

L960[11:40:01] <Inari> :P

L961[11:41:38] <Inari> ohr ight, the whispered wordl was the one i watched a stream of

L962[11:41:59] <Lizzy> Myrrdin why are you not recognising this USB ethernet adapter?

L963[11:42:03] <Vexatos> Daedalic games make you realize that German humour is actually a thing because there are so few German videos/games nowadays that actually utilize it :P

L964[11:42:42] <Inari> so yeah may try Memoria i guess

L965[11:45:07] <Lizzy> there, reboot got it

L966[11:46:43] <Inari> Lizzy: i think i'd hvae to go find a guide on trading first xD

L967[11:46:53] <Lizzy> ?

L968[11:46:57] <Inari> for E:D

L969[11:47:00] <Lizzy> ah

L970[11:47:06] <Lizzy> there's a few out htere

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L972[11:51:57] <Inari> oh right

L973[11:52:06] <Inari> hmm meh

L974[11:52:11] <Inari> Lizzy: how good ismining at making money? xD

L975[11:52:29] <Lizzy> i'm not sure, haven't dived into that much yet

L976[11:52:48] <vifino> how much is E:D again?

L977[11:53:19] * Lizzy goes to check

L978[11:55:03] <Lizzy> £19.99 for the base game, £19.99 for the Horizons DLC (which'll allow you to land on planets and other stuff as they release it like multi-crew ship support )

L979[11:55:08] <Inari> just reading about trading sound hilariously terrible :P so ig uess i'll try mining

L980[11:55:14] <Miyoyo> BHIOS

L981[11:55:24] <Miyoyo> Bloated Horrible Input Output System

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L983[11:57:25] <Skye> Miyoyo, also known as EFI

L984[11:57:36] <Miyoyo> Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

L985[11:57:42] <Miyoyo> EFI has neat things

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L987[12:00:04] <vifino> Lizzy: i checked in the german store, 25€ for the base game, 25€ for the season pass

L988[12:00:46] <Miyoyo> >10 EUR less than no man's sky, 2^64-1 times better

L989[12:01:04] <vifino> i dont really feel like spending 50€ on a game :v

L990[12:01:16] <Lizzy> it's a good game though

L991[12:01:29] <Miyoyo> 60 Eur/Usd is the norm :/

L992[12:01:32] <vifino> it is still a lot of money for a game

L993[12:01:41] <vifino> for me at least

L994[12:01:58] <MalkContent> the past 5 years or so

L995[12:02:13] <vifino> oh, please. this game has a osx version but no linux version?!

L996[12:02:17] <MalkContent> ive been disappointed by full price games time and again

L997[12:02:36] <Miyoyo> Vifino: huh

L998[12:02:50] <Temia> Yeah, I know what you mean.

L999[12:03:09] <Miyoyo> I think one of the biggest disapointments of my gaming history is...

L1000[12:03:12] <Miyoyo> Firewatch

L1001[12:03:18] <Temia> The AAA demographic has diverged from mine for the past 10 years.

L1002[12:03:39] <vifino> doom 1/2 > *

L1003[12:03:45] <Temia> Now I just kind of helplessly shrug my shoulders whenever talk about any of them comes up.

L1004[12:03:56] <MalkContent> i keep seeing new stuff coming out and go "meh", pre and post release

L1005[12:04:01] <MalkContent> fc3 was a nice new thing

L1006[12:04:06] <MalkContent> and blood dragon was fun :D

L1007[12:04:16] <MalkContent> bf 3 was cool, too

L1008[12:04:27] <MalkContent> but then comes fc4, bf4, bf hardline

L1009[12:04:27] <Temia> I don't particularly care about your stubbly space marine/assassin/vigilante/unrepentant asshole with a good cause.

L1010[12:04:28] <MalkContent> blegh

L1011[12:04:40] <gamax92> o.o

L1012[12:04:46] <MalkContent> assassins creed bleghed

L1013[12:04:51] <MalkContent> ey

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L1015[12:05:00] <MalkContent> dont you say crap about speece mareens

L1016[12:05:07] <Miyoyo> Spess mereens

L1017[12:05:09] <vifino> the last two? three? games i got were all gifts from Lizzy

L1018[12:05:21] <Miyoyo> God, such poison gifts :3

L1019[12:05:25] <vifino> don't really buy many games.

L1020[12:05:33] <MalkContent> just because they are hiding in their metal bawkses

L1021[12:05:36] <gamax92> The last every game on steam except one were all gifts

L1022[12:05:52] *** Lily is now known as Vi

L1023[12:06:00] <Miyoyo> Li Vi

L1024[12:06:03] <Miyoyo> Ngroom

L1025[12:06:12] <gamax92> And because of that one game, a penny has sat there for eternity

L1026[12:06:14] <Miyoyo> sorry ._.

L1027[12:06:15] <Vi> Mi!

L1028[12:06:55] <Miyoyo> I have 1,55 eur on steam

L1029[12:07:02] <Miyoyo> And literally nothing to spend it on

L1030[12:07:14] <MalkContent> you could buy crappy dlc

L1031[12:07:18] <Miyoyo> meh

L1032[12:07:18] <MalkContent> for square enix games

L1033[12:07:40] <Temia> Of course I act jaded now but I'm discussing the pun behind "floran moe" on another network `-`

L1034[12:07:53] <Miyoyo> Starbond(age)?

L1035[12:08:24] <MalkContent> o right. i completely forgot about witcher 3. that one did not leave me disappointed :D

L1036[12:09:13] <Miyoyo> I'm addicted to procrastination

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L1038[12:14:32] <Inari> Miyoyo: lewd

L1039[12:14:39] <Miyoyo> >:3

L1040[12:15:02] <Inari> the heck is DW

L1041[12:15:11] <Lizzy> ?

L1042[12:15:14] <Miyoyo> ?

L1043[12:15:25] <Inari> dunno i just found this on my dropbox https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/dw.jpg

L1044[12:15:36] <Inari> Miyoyo: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/folewd.png

L1045[12:23:26] <Inari> Lizzy: you play hoprizons or normal?

L1046[12:23:38] <Lizzy> Horizons

L1047[12:24:24] <Lizzy> i think you could still join me even if you're on the normal mode, you just wouldn't be able to come down to a planet with me

L1048[12:24:36] <Miyoyo> My phone won't start at all now :(

L1049[12:25:26] <Inari> Lizzy: whats there to do on planets btw?

L1050[12:26:04] <Forecaster> yay back home

L1051[12:26:05] <Forecaster> hi irc

L1052[12:26:09] <Miyoyo> Mining

L1053[12:26:11] <Lizzy> there's bases on a few of them, there's also salvage you can grab and possibly mining, not sure of that

L1054[12:26:14] <Lizzy> hi Forecaster

L1055[12:26:15] <Miyoyo> Hi forey

L1056[12:26:33] <Forecaster> well, you "mine" by shooting small rocks

L1057[12:26:40] <Forecaster> it's not the same as asteroid mining though

L1058[12:26:51] <Forecaster> those rocks only contain materials used for synthesis

L1059[12:27:01] * Miyoyo visualizes a stick figure throwing pebbles at something

L1060[12:27:04] <Inari> rigth :s i doubt i'll get much into it, but i'll try i guess

L1061[12:27:20] <Forecaster> it's more fun when you're more than one doing something :P

L1062[12:27:30] <Inari> im not sure how that improves it xD

L1063[12:27:32] <Miyoyo> You know, like in NMS

L1064[12:27:33] <Miyoyo> oh wait

L1065[12:28:06] <Forecaster> kind of like how sex is better with two people instead of just one :P

L1066[12:28:16] <Inari> i guess, but thats a different thing

L1067[12:28:25] <Miyoyo> It's even better at 26!

L1068[12:28:31] <Miyoyo> T(h)rust me

L1069[12:28:34] <Inari> though i hear sex with one "people" and an animal can be nice

L1070[12:29:24] <Miyoyo> Kinda like how Celsius is for water and Farenheit is for people, cause I am a people not a water

L1071[12:29:49] <Lizzy> Inari, also Horizons isn't just planets (well, it is at the moment) there'll also be ship launched fighters and multi-crew ships comming soon

L1072[12:29:50] <Forecaster> pretty sure people contain lots of water

L1073[12:30:22] <Miyoyo> I PEOPLE NOT VÂTTËR

L1074[12:30:36] <Forecaster> you're getting wetter?

L1075[12:30:43] <Forecaster> oh my

L1076[12:31:14]

<Kimiro> *lewds all over Inari*

L1077[12:31:18] <gamax92> oh my

L1078[12:31:28]

<Kimiro> *lewds all over gamax92*

L1079[12:31:42] * Lizzy lewds over vifino

L1080[12:31:47] <Miyoyo> Kimiro you don't lewd over Inari you literally are 97.8% Pure concentrated lewd

L1081[12:32:00] <Miyoyo> You lewd over the fabric of existence

L1082[12:32:06] <Lizzy> owww

L1083[12:32:09]

<Kimiro> Bitch please. 97.9%

L1084[12:32:19] <Lizzy> i sneezed and bit my tongue :<

L1085[12:32:33]

<Kimiro> Ow. Also how.

L1086[12:32:59] * gamax92 sits down two cubes, both are red 1 inch cubes, but this one is super compressed and this other one is fluffy

L1087[12:33:00] <Lizzy> i had my tongue inbetween my teeth as i sneezed

L1088[12:33:04] <Inari> hmm

L1089[12:33:14] <Inari> what ship do you need to get onto a plent

L1090[12:33:18] <Inari> *planet

L1091[12:33:40] <gamax92> Inari: probably shipping yourself with a astronaut

L1092[12:33:55] <Forecaster> any ship pretty much

L1093[12:34:02] <Lizzy> Inari, any, it has ot have the planetary landing stuff on it though

L1094[12:34:03] <Inari> sidewinder?

L1095[12:34:08] <Inari> ah :p

L1096[12:34:12]

<Kimiro> *swallows gamax92's cubes and then pukes up a bunch of tinier cubes of average density*

L1097[12:34:14] <Forecaster> you need a planetary approach module to be able to enter the planet "atmosphere"

L1098[12:34:20] <Forecaster> and land

L1099[12:34:20] <Lizzy> ^

L1100[12:34:28] <Inari> Forecaster: what if i dont have one?

L1101[12:34:34] <Forecaster> then you can't

L1102[12:34:54] <Inari> but what happens if i do anyway? do i burn up? xD

L1103[12:34:56] <Forecaster> I assume you'll get thrown out of supercruise when you get too close

L1104[12:35:09] <Lizzy> that reminds me, when i was on the way to you Forecaster i found an "earth like" planet, i think i bookmarked it

L1105[12:35:13] <Forecaster> same as what happens to anyone with a non-horizons body

L1106[12:35:27] <Inari> Forecaster: so... fly to it out of uspercurise :D

L1107[12:35:32] <Lizzy> also gotta play RL with the little bro, so back in a while

L1108[12:35:44] <Forecaster> Lizzy: only planets without an atmosphere are enterable currently

L1109[12:35:51] <Lizzy> ah

L1110[12:35:54] <Forecaster> earth-likes would probably have atmospheres

L1111[12:36:33] <Forecaster> Inari: also worth noting that the approach suite doesn't carry the srv

L1112[12:36:44] <Forecaster> that's a separate module

L1113[12:36:55] <Forecaster> you can still fit both in a sidewinder though

L1114[12:40:08] * vifino lewds all over Lizzy and giggles

L1115[12:40:17] <Forecaster> :O

L1116[12:40:19] <Forecaster> so lewd

L1117[12:43:13] <Inari> now Lizzy has to take a shower

L1118[12:43:14] <Inari> pls

L1119[12:43:55] <Inari> hope they add actaul space station (where you can walk around and suhc) soon

L1120[12:44:52] <Inari> https://66.media.tumblr.com/814896211b6db4787f77728a1e3dfd87/tumblr_ocfajlTRty1qlwco3o2_1280.png

L1121[12:45:08] * Lizzy wonders if vifino wants to lewd with her in the shower

L1122[12:45:14] <Forecaster> probably wont be soon

L1123[12:45:17] <Forecaster> but I don't mind

L1124[12:45:23] <Forecaster> I'd rather have more gameplay :P

L1125[12:45:44] <Forecaster> with pretty-immersive things sprinkled in along the way

L1126[12:45:49] <Inari> Forecaster: me too, and tahts gameplay

L1127[12:46:16] <Forecaster> not really, you can interact with stations through the menus fine

L1128[12:46:26] <Forecaster> what would walking around add?

L1129[12:46:27] <Inari> yeah, but crafting, bars, shopping!

L1130[12:46:35] <Forecaster> beyond immersion

L1131[12:47:03] <Inari> homes!

L1132[12:47:28] <Inari> earn money by doing janitor work :3

L1133[12:47:51] <Forecaster> there's a different game for doing janitor work :P

L1134[12:48:19] <Inari> yeah but it oesnt integrate with E:D :P

L1135[12:49:31] <Inari> Forecaster: just would be nice to do something other than spaceflight I guess

L1136[12:50:07] <Forecaster> but that's what E:D is about

L1137[12:50:54] <Forecaster> "Skyrim is nice but I wish I had some spaceships to fly" :P

L1138[12:51:47] <Inari> Forecaster: well it wouldnt fit into skyrims world :P it doesnt ift into E:Ds world that people literally never get up from their ship

L1139[12:52:24] <Forecaster> maybe they do when you're logged out :P

L1140[12:52:44] <Inari> doesnt help make the game more interseting whil eim logged in

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L1142[12:54:44] <Inari> Forecaster: i guess i'm just looking for something to do in E:D that feels like it has an inherent point, or at least gives all the trading a point

L1143[12:55:43] <Forecaster> what point would doing "janitor work" serve? :P

L1144[12:56:17] <Inari> no clue, to buy clothes?

L1145[12:56:29] <Inari> at least it would be something different :P

L1146[12:57:01] <Forecaster> eh, if you don't want to fly a spaceship play a different game :P

L1147[12:57:15] <Forecaster> I play E:D because I think flying spaceships is fun

L1148[12:57:19] <Inari> thats not the point, toher games dont have spaceships

L1149[12:57:24] <Miyoyo> E:D

L1150[12:57:28] <Forecaster> or driving around on planets I guess

L1151[12:57:32] <Miyoyo> Also known as

L1152[12:57:42] <Miyoyo> Milky way truck simulator

L1153[12:57:57] <Forecaster> with guns

L1154[12:57:59] <Inari> just so far every feature seems to just add a little detail that you again do with a spaceship :P

L1155[12:58:07] <Miyoyo> Still

L1156[12:58:11] <Miyoyo> Milkyway truck sim

L1157[12:58:15] <Forecaster> well yeah... because E:D is about spaceships

L1158[12:58:32] <Forecaster> it's about flying spaceships

L1159[12:58:49] <Miyoyo> Also

L1160[12:58:50] <Inari> well it doesnt even do that part particularly well though

L1161[12:58:57] <Miyoyo> Them Audio Assistants

L1162[12:59:13] <Forecaster> better than a certain recent game with spaceships in my opinion :P

L1163[12:59:22] <Miyoyo> No shit

L1164[12:59:36] <Miyoyo> 10 bucks less, 2^64-1 times better

L1165[12:59:52] <Inari> eh, NMS is like 80% of hwat E:D is in regards to spaceshipping

L1166[12:59:59] <Miyoyo> 80?

L1167[13:00:01] <Inari> relatively good for it not bein gthe focus of the game i guess

L1168[13:00:06] <Miyoyo> Fucking hell stop overestimating

L1169[13:00:15] <Miyoyo> You don't even have power management!

L1170[13:00:26] <Forecaster> E:D is a lot better as far as I'm concerned

L1171[13:00:29] <Miyoyo> Don't tell me that you need thaumium9

L1172[13:00:45] <Miyoyo> You ram into any random asteroid you can do earth-mars

L1173[13:00:50] <Inari> i guess i never really found a reason to powermanage in E:D xD

L1174[13:01:05] <Miyoyo> Still, you can do it

L1175[13:01:07] <Miyoyo> it's there

L1176[13:01:09] <Forecaster> you don't really need to outside of combat

L1177[13:01:18] <Inari> Miyoyo: i'd rather there would be other stuff you could do

L1178[13:01:19] <Forecaster> else just keep engines maxed

L1179[13:01:31] <Miyoyo> in NMS you crash into between three to four asteroids you have one full tank

L1180[13:01:51] <Inari> Miyoyo: in E:D you click the "Refuel button" and you ahve one full tank :D

L1181[13:01:58] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L1182[13:02:02] <Miyoyo> but there is a risk

L1183[13:02:03] <Miyoyo> it takes time

L1184[13:02:07] <Forecaster> there's actual risk in E:D though

L1185[13:02:10] <Inari> what risk

L1186[13:02:11] <Miyoyo> you are forced to keep moving

L1187[13:02:25] <Miyoyo> Let's say you are doing a 50% galaxy travel

L1188[13:02:30] <Inari> i wasnt talking about fuel scooping

L1189[13:02:39] <Forecaster> me neither

L1190[13:02:51] <Inari> its risky to dock and click the button? o.o

L1191[13:02:53] <Miyoyo> Still, in NMS the "ENEMY APROACHING OMG RUN" thing is

L1192[13:02:58] <Forecaster> I'm not talking about fuel.

L1193[13:03:00] <Miyoyo> four ships

L1194[13:03:10] <Miyoyo> you have level 3 beams?

L1195[13:03:16] <Miyoyo> They're down in less than a minute

L1196[13:03:26] <Inari> Miyoyo: im not interested in combat, so i dont really carea bout comparing the game's combat systems

L1197[13:03:26] <Miyoyo> in E:D you actually have a challenge

L1198[13:03:34] <Miyoyo> Inari: it's still important

L1199[13:03:45] <Miyoyo> You can be attacked and need to defend yourself

L1200[13:03:50] <Inari> E:D's comabt for me is about 50/50

L1201[13:03:53] <Inari> you either get away or die

L1202[13:03:53] <Inari> xD

L1203[13:03:56] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L1204[13:04:05] <Miyoyo> But that's how it should be

L1205[13:04:10] <Forecaster> better than 100% winning :P

L1206[13:04:35] <Miyoyo> I literally had time to kill eight enemy attacks than letting them kill me

L1207[13:04:35] <Inari> mostly cause i suck at space comabt in E:D :P but also dont ahve much of a reason or interest in trying to improve

L1208[13:04:39] <Miyoyo> because their movement is pure shit

L1209[13:04:56] <Inari> Miyoyo: neither way adds much of anything to the game imo

L1210[13:05:21] <Forecaster> it enables people to be pirates

L1211[13:05:40] <Inari> at the point of not caring for combat you coudl pretty much just have a small chance to self-destroy on entering supercruise and it would bea bout the same

L1212[13:05:54] <Miyoyo> I think the risk of being literally RIPPED OUT OF FRAME SHIFT while having ultra-expensive cargo is more thrilling than

L1213[13:05:58] <Forecaster> the same can be said about NMS then

L1214[13:06:00] <Miyoyo> "Oh I have eight atlas orbs"

L1215[13:06:05] <Miyoyo> "Oh an attack"

L1216[13:06:13] <Miyoyo> "Oh it's over they're all dead"

L1217[13:06:16] <Miyoyo> >INVENTORY FULL

L1218[13:06:25] <Inari> Forecaster: except in NMs you tend to not end up dead, and even if you do, you just fly back there in a minute

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L1221[13:06:59] <Miyoyo> And you can't have challenge in NMS

L1222[13:07:09] <Inari> anyway 90% of NMS im not even in space, so im not sure what we're talking about

L1223[13:07:46] <Miyoyo> Honestly, NMS is a complete failiure and it's showing in sales

L1224[13:07:50] <Inari> Miyoyo: i dont carea bout challenge in NMS though

L1225[13:07:52] <Inari> why woudl you

L1226[13:08:02] <vifino> Lizzy: What do you think? :3

L1227[13:08:14] <Miyoyo> When I play a space exploration game, I'd like to do something else than

L1228[13:09:51] <Inari> hm apparently noone knwos what happens if you just fly at a planet wihtout a module

L1229[13:09:54] <Inari> guess i'll try once its DLd

L1230[13:09:55] <Miyoyo> Mine->NO SLOTS LEFT IN SUIT INVENTORY->TP Items->INVENTORY FULL->Get attacked by static points in the sky or mechadogs that are honestly the hardest enemy to beat->Go to space station->Sell shit->Get zinc and susp fluid->Craft six wrap cells->Jump 2K ly->Rinse and repeat

L1231[13:10:32] <Miyoyo> With absolutely no depth

L1232[13:11:01] <Miyoyo> No missions, no real interaction with anything, no backstory, nothing

L1233[13:11:07] <Inari> i barely have any invnetory issues tbf xD <3 exosuit upgrades

L1234[13:11:13]

<Kimiro> Heh.

L1235[13:11:23] <Inari> Miyoyo: you're playing the game wrong i'd say :P

L1236[13:11:36] <Inari> not that it matters

L1237[13:11:39] <Miyoyo> How do you want me to play? explore planets?

L1238[13:11:53] <Inari> you cant really compare it to E:D this much

L1239[13:11:59] <Miyoyo> Seeing the same recolored shit over and over

L1240[13:12:31] <Forecaster> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rocks

L1241[13:12:31] <Miyoyo> NMS got a big hunch during dev and most features got completely scrapped

L1242[13:12:36] <Forecaster> s/rocks/games

L1243[13:12:39] <Miyoyo> What happened?

L1244[13:12:40] <Miyoyo> IDK

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L1246[13:12:49] <Miyoyo> But honestly I'd like to knpw

L1247[13:13:02] <gamax92> Inari: the truth is too hard for you to handle.

L1248[13:13:05] <Forecaster> Rocks!

L1249[13:13:08] <Miyoyo> Rocks!

L1250[13:13:12] <Inari> gamax92: ?

L1251[13:13:26] <Miyoyo> One thing that's neat about planets is the procedural generation but even then

L1252[13:13:34] <Miyoyo> There's no "reward" for exploring

L1253[13:13:50] <Miyoyo> I know with 90% certainty that if I jump from one planet to another

L1254[13:13:54] <Miyoyo> there will be wildlife

L1255[13:13:56] <Miyoyo> ores

L1256[13:14:03] <Miyoyo> flora

L1257[13:14:09] <Miyoyo> fucking drones

L1258[13:14:13] <Miyoyo> and that's it

L1259[13:14:31] <Inari> Miyoyo: yeah, you basically described E:D xD

L1260[13:14:38] <Miyoyo> What?

L1261[13:14:39] <Miyoyo> No

L1262[13:14:45] <Miyoyo> in E:D finding a planet even worth exploring is hard AF

L1263[13:15:04] <Miyoyo> There is rarely anything on them

L1264[13:15:10] <Miyoyo> and it should be like that

L1265[13:15:20] <Inari> space is either empty, and if it is not, its just the same xD

L1266[13:15:28] <Miyoyo> Exploring should be about surprises, and finding special things

L1267[13:15:44] <Inari> Miyoyo: ikr, just like people find fun creatures in NMS

L1268[13:15:47] <Miyoyo> but when everything interesting is fucking everywhere, it becomes mainstream

L1269[13:15:55] <Miyoyo> Tell me

L1270[13:16:18] <Miyoyo> How many times did you see one or another iteration of the hopping potato/pineapple

L1271[13:16:23] <Miyoyo> it's fucking everywhere

L1272[13:16:47] <Inari> and there are standouts

L1273[13:16:54] <Miyoyo> Standouts,

L1274[13:16:56] <Miyoyo> ?*

L1275[13:17:29] <Inari> i.e. theres life about everywhere, but only now and then you actually find something thats interesting

L1276[13:17:58] <Miyoyo> Yes, but we're talking about 2^64-1 planets here

L1277[13:18:08] <Miyoyo> if 90% of them are populated

L1278[13:18:11] <Inari> 99% of which you will never see

L1279[13:18:18] <Miyoyo> That's not the fucking point

L1280[13:18:25] <Miyoyo> It's not the point at all

L1281[13:18:27] <Inari> thats a good point

L1282[13:18:32] <Inari> i actually dont know what the point is here

L1283[13:18:33] <Inari> :P

L1284[13:18:43] <gamax92> but why would it be -1

L1285[13:18:47] <gamax92> is 0 not a planet?

L1286[13:18:56] <Miyoyo> This game is a fucking ocean with five atom thick depth

L1287[13:18:56] <Inari> NMS is a bit game? well, idc, doesnt make E:D any more immeersive

L1288[13:19:06] <Inari> *bad

L1289[13:19:06] <Miyoyo> there's nothing to see

L1290[13:19:34] <Miyoyo> because I can nearly guarantee that you don't need to explore 99% of those planets

L1291[13:19:35] <Inari> gamax92: haha

L1292[13:20:18] <Inari> Miyoyo: eh, theres portals that are rare that some people found, not sure how they ar ebeing used yet htouhg. also the race stories to explore of course. and then theres this bananosaurus someone foudn which i found rather funny

L1293[13:20:38] <Miyoyo> Also it's discouraging to explore fifty planets to see nothing worth coming onto them

L1294[13:20:44] <Miyoyo> maybe something interesting was there

L1295[13:20:55] <Miyoyo> but because you can't discern it from the mass of shit

L1296[13:21:09] <Miyoyo> most people won't spend 16 hours exploring copies of planets

L1297[13:21:46] <Inari> eh, its just nice and mellow to walk around a bit i guess. maybe thats what some people see in flying around in E:D, except E:D seemsmuch slower paced yet, no clue

L1298[13:21:55] * Forecaster lost interest a while ago and pokes his rock instead

L1299[13:22:02] <Forecaster> Inari: it's relaxing :P

L1300[13:22:08] <Miyoyo> SIR NO ROCK POKING HERE

L1301[13:22:09] <Miyoyo> PUT

L1302[13:22:10] <Miyoyo> THE POKER

L1303[13:22:11] <Miyoyo> DOWN

L1304[13:22:18] <Inari> i guess the difference is that in NMS you do something

L1305[13:22:23] <Inari> while in E:D you look at the screen

L1306[13:23:58] <Inari> i.e. menus in E:D are kinda okay, you clic, do some stuff, but then travel between stations means sitting aroudn for 5 minutes in supercruise. sometimes somethign will pop up where you coudl drop out, but if youj're trading theres really no rreason to do so

L1307[13:24:15] <Inari> in NMS you wanter to the next "?" or somesuch, and then ooh hteres some merald overthere

L1308[13:24:26] <Inari> and ooh fvaluable gold! and som eplutonium, cause i needed some more anyway

L1309[13:24:42] <gamax92> "Watching hentai being drawn"

L1310[13:24:51] <Inari> and ocne you want to go sell you're generally at the station faster than in E:D

L1311[13:25:02] <Forecaster> I just feel that there is nothing to work towards in NMS, no reason to play

L1312[13:25:17] <Forecaster> in E:D my goal is to get a bigger ship

L1313[13:25:38] <Inari> Forecaster: eh its the same in every game prettymuch

L1314[13:25:40]

<SpaceWolfve> Which one u have now forecaster

L1315[13:25:45] <Inari> in NMS you get more inventory, better tech, bigger ship

L1316[13:25:50] <Miyoyo> One thing still stands

L1317[13:25:50] <Inari> in E:D you get a bigger ship or better guns

L1318[13:25:55] <Miyoyo> Mods for this game

L1319[13:25:56]

<SpaceWolfve> No Inari

L1320[13:26:00] <Miyoyo> are fucking idiotic

L1321[13:26:01] <Miyoyo> https://youtu.be/EXLSwakcXog

L1322[13:26:02] <MichiBot> French accent mod for No Man's Sky | length: 31s | Likes: 50 Dislikes: 10 Views: 7211 | by SoopaFlyism

L1323[13:26:04] <Miyoyo> and amazing

L1324[13:26:13]

<SpaceWolfve> Its just a ship whit more inventory

L1325[13:26:18]

<SpaceWolfve> ED has mote

L1326[13:26:19] <Inari> your issue with a game is that theres a mod you dont like? XD

L1327[13:26:25] <Miyoyo> No

L1328[13:26:26] <Miyoyo> just

L1329[13:26:29] <Miyoyo> ...

L1330[13:26:31] <Miyoyo> listen to this

L1331[13:26:35] <Miyoyo> it's beautiful

L1332[13:26:36] <Inari> @SpaceWolfve: what?

L1333[13:27:12] <Forecaster> also still, the flight mechanics in E:D are better, which I value

L1334[13:27:13] <Forecaster> :P

L1335[13:27:58] <Forecaster> NSM is too arcadey for me

L1336[13:28:00] <Inari> Forecaster: still wish they were newtonian :|

L1337[13:28:00] <gamax92> Miyoyo: is that really how the game looks

L1338[13:28:07] <Miyoyo> Yes

L1339[13:28:23] <Miyoyo> But atmosphere differs in function of the current nebula color

L1340[13:28:26] <Forecaster> Inari: what do you mean newtonian?

L1341[13:28:31] <Miyoyo> cause you're in a nebula everyfuckingwhere

L1342[13:28:42] <gamax92> Miyoyo: it looked like a flat with textured depth.

L1343[13:28:46] <Inari> Forecaster: no speed limit. preferably also no frmaeshift thingy but i guess its hard to make a MP game without

L1344[13:29:12] <Miyoyo> Well gamax there's a pretty heavy filtering in Post

L1345[13:29:13] <Forecaster> you'd be in transit for years going anywhere without the FSD

L1346[13:29:36] <Inari> Forecaster: unfortunately yeah :P hence why i said, you cant really make a MP game wihtout something like that I guess

L1347[13:29:51] <Forecaster> MP doesn't matter

L1348[13:29:56] <Inari> it does

L1349[13:29:57] <Forecaster> the same thing applies to NMS

L1350[13:30:04] <Inari> old elite didnt have this

L1351[13:30:07] <gamax92> Miyoyo: why does color separation effect randomly kick in midway through the video?

L1352[13:30:14] <Forecaster> I never played the original elite

L1353[13:30:17] <Miyoyo> It's a fade in

L1354[13:30:23] <Miyoyo> and shaders are pretty shit

L1355[13:30:29] <Inari> yeah but in NMS its at least less immersion breaking

L1356[13:30:35] <Miyoyo> they COMPLETELY break when you exit the skybox

L1357[13:30:38] <Inari> sutff doesnt change much between the booost and normal

L1358[13:30:50] <gamax92> do not like

L1359[13:31:05] <Forecaster> what changes?

L1360[13:31:06] <Miyoyo> Wait gamax

L1361[13:31:28] <Inari> Forecaster: stuff disappears, other stuff appears, sometimes the position desyncs, and often you hang in space for like 3 seconds

L1362[13:31:49] <Forecaster> I've not noticed that enough for it to bother me

L1363[13:32:08] <Forecaster> sure there's a bit of hanging sometimes like you said, but it's a game, they do that

L1364[13:32:25] <Miyoyo> Also compared to complete NMS crashes

L1365[13:32:25] <Inari> gamax92: color spearation effect?

L1366[13:32:32] <Miyoyo> or even NT kernel panics

L1367[13:32:42] <Inari> Forecaster: its just a reminder of how hollow and faked it actaull yis i guess xD

L1368[13:33:01] <Forecaster> you mean like the draw distance in NMS? :P

L1369[13:33:26] <Inari> E:D is worse, but none of these big procgen games actualyl do it very well

L1370[13:33:32] <Miyoyo> http://nomansskymods.com/mods/comic-sans-font-mod/

L1371[13:33:38] <Forecaster> I don't see how E:D is worse

L1372[13:34:07] <Forecaster> it at lest manages to look pretty

L1373[13:34:10] <Forecaster> least*

L1374[13:34:18] <Miyoyo> >HOT ASS compatibility

L1375[13:34:23] <Inari> Forecaster: the lag, the dispalcement, the half-multplayer... eh.. it just feels weird

L1376[13:34:46] <Miyoyo> Gamax92?

L1377[13:34:46] <Forecaster> I've not noticed any of those things

L1378[13:35:11] <Miyoyo> Just look at this:

L1379[13:35:19] <Miyoyo> http://nomansskymods.com/mods/deep-space/

L1380[13:35:24] <Miyoyo> or at least the description

L1381[13:35:34] <Forecaster> NMS has the same awful drawdistance for everyone :P

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L1383[13:35:55] <Miyoyo> >50 METER ASTEROID POPIN

L1384[13:36:19] <Inari> in general i noticed the asteroids jumping less than in E:D though

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L1386[13:36:45] <Inari> the planets can be pretty ugly in jumping thouigh

L1387[13:36:58] <Miyoyo> >LOD'll do that to ya

L1388[13:37:10] <Inari> in E:D it doesnt even seem to be LOD

L1389[13:37:17] <Miyoyo> ?

L1390[13:37:19] <Inari> same in NMS i guess

L1391[13:37:23] <gamax92> Miyoyo: ?

L1392[13:37:28] <Miyoyo> http://nomansskymods.com/mods/deep-space/

L1393[13:37:28] <Inari> theres just kind of a texture or something thats hown when youj're far away

L1394[13:37:33] <Inari> and then it compeltely changes when you get close

L1395[13:37:36] <Miyoyo> Kek

L1396[13:38:38] <Miyoyo> just look at the desc gamax

L1397[13:38:44] <Miyoyo> for a list of most Post processes

L1398[13:38:52] <gamax92> I'm watching hentai being drawn, not right now :/

L1399[13:38:56] <Inari> lol

L1400[13:38:57] <Miyoyo> aw

L1401[13:38:59] <Inari> gamax92: link?

L1402[13:40:15] <Temia> lewd

L1403[13:40:28] <Miyoyo> %inari

L1404[13:40:31] <MichiBot> Miyoyo: http://i.imgur.com/XoYgHyi.jpg

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L1406[13:42:19] * Inari shakes gamax92

L1407[13:42:35] <gamax92> Inari: why

L1408[13:42:39] <Inari> cause link

L1409[13:42:40] <Miyoyo> Engage maxilewd mode.

L1410[13:42:40] <Inari> gimme

L1411[13:43:39] <gamax92> Inari: https://twitter.com/Kirika_ma_cos/status/727418624529436673

L1412[13:43:39] <MichiBot> Tue May 03 03:44:49 CDT 2016 @Kirika_ma_cos: どこにも行かんから https://t.co/YavgMulPjr

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L1414[13:44:02] <Inari> gamax92: thats not hentai and nothings being drawn

L1415[13:44:13] <gamax92> Inari: I can't give you the link

L1416[13:44:18] <Inari> why :|

L1417[13:44:22] <gamax92> not allowed to

L1418[13:44:25] <Inari> ¬_¬

L1419[13:44:36] <Inari> how does that make sense :P

L1420[13:44:37] <Miyoyo> Also this is supposed to be #oc not #lewdcomputers

L1421[13:44:46] <Inari> Miyoyo: *#lc

L1422[13:44:51] <Miyoyo> ye

L1423[13:45:25] <gamax92> Inari: because you didn't pay for it nor are friends with the one who did pay

L1424[13:46:00] <Inari> gamax92: where do i pay for it? :P

L1425[13:46:14] <Inari> why can you pay to watch hentrai being drawn anyway

L1426[13:46:19] <Inari> that sounds odd

L1427[13:46:24] <gamax92> well you'd be comissioning your own art work

L1428[13:46:27] <Miyoyo> Inari : Magic

L1429[13:46:33] <Inari> gamax92: lame :|

L1430[13:46:51] <Inari> gamax92: how much :P

L1431[13:46:54] <Miyoyo> Inari I'm pretty sure you can not make opencomputer porn :D

L1432[13:47:03] <gamax92> Miyoyo: that's already been done

L1433[13:47:08] <Inari> Miyoyo: opencomputer pron?

L1434[13:47:09] <Miyoyo> wait what

L1435[13:47:10] <Miyoyo> the fuck

L1436[13:47:12] <Miyoyo> is that

L1437[13:47:14] <Miyoyo> HOW DO YU

L1438[13:47:15] <Miyoyo> EVEN

L1439[13:47:16] <Miyoyo> DO

L1440[13:47:18] <gamax92> Well see

L1441[13:47:22] <Miyoyo> OC LEWD PICS

L1442[13:47:23] <Inari> what do you mean "opencomputer porn"

L1443[13:47:31] <Miyoyo> Inari: exactly that

L1444[13:47:36] <Inari> like what

L1445[13:47:40] <Inari> drones having sx

L1446[13:47:40] <Miyoyo> Uh

L1447[13:47:42] <Miyoyo> IDK

L1448[13:47:43] <Inari> or what

L1449[13:47:44] <Miyoyo> THAT

L1450[13:47:55] <Miyoyo> magic caps ffs

L1451[13:49:59] <Miyoyo> gamax92: I want proof

L1452[13:56:17] <Inari> Forecaster: seems it just says "Body Exclusion Zone hit" or something like that and doesnt let you fly in fruther

L1453[13:57:11] <Inari> funny enough i had started on a moon thigny (guess thats where you start when you pick horizons sidewinder)

L1454[13:57:15] <Inari> when i sold the suite

L1455[13:57:21] <Inari> and launched it teleproted me into orbit xD

L1456[14:01:00] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: Inari is master of the lewds

L1457[14:01:07] <CompanionCube> and then you have rule 34

L1458[14:01:14] <Miyoyo> ...

L1459[14:01:20] <Miyoyo> I'm 16 and this is deep

L1460[14:01:31] <Inari> Forecaster: i do like that they reworked the missions baord

L1461[14:01:40] <Inari> more persoanlity

L1462[14:01:42] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: isn't it usually 12

L1463[14:01:48] <Inari> less "steril list of htings"

L1464[14:01:54]

<MajGenRelativity> Miyoyo, everything here is crzy

L1465[14:01:57]

<MajGenRelativity> crazy*

L1466[14:02:01]

<MajGenRelativity> Except for me

L1467[14:02:16] <Miyoyo> Truth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inari >>>>>>> #oc >>>>> most #oc drones >> irc > all

L1468[14:02:48]

<MajGenRelativity> what?

L1469[14:02:55] <Miyoyo> Dw

L1470[14:04:16]

<MajGenRelativity> Doctor Who?

L1471[14:04:36] <Miyoyo> Don't worry you don't have to understand

L1472[14:04:43]

<MajGenRelativity> Ok

L1473[14:04:54] <Miyoyo> just that even lewdness is less important than THRUFF

L1474[14:05:24]

<MajGenRelativity> I'll just sit here on my backup laptop then

L1475[14:05:33] <Miyoyo> Backup lt?

L1476[14:05:37] <Miyoyo> What is it?

L1477[14:05:58]

<MajGenRelativity> It's a Toshiba

L1478[14:06:01] *** medsouz|offline is now known as medsouz

L1479[14:06:04] <Miyoyo> Neat

L1480[14:06:18]

<MajGenRelativity> It's 6 years old I think

L1481[14:06:59] <Inari> best birthday present for Vex: https://tictail.com/s/infixstore/flamingo-silicon-phone-case

L1482[14:07:17] <Miyoyo> I have a packard bell, customized by my sisted, missing the P and left arrow key, there's nail polish on some keys and the fucking bezel is cracked

L1483[14:07:39]

<MajGenRelativity> Sounds pretty bad

L1484[14:07:43] <Miyoyo> These cases are worthless god

L1485[14:08:00]

<MajGenRelativity> You should get a better sister ?

L1486[14:08:03] <Miyoyo> The nail polish on the X key has sparkles :D

L1487[14:08:18] <Miyoyo> This PC is 5 yo so... it was a long time ago

L1488[14:08:38]

<MajGenRelativity> sparkles make up for it all ?

L1489[14:08:42] <Miyoyo> Ikr

L1490[14:09:07] <Miyoyo> also

L1491[14:09:13] <Miyoyo> the power supply plug is broken

L1492[14:09:16] <Miyoyo> AND

L1493[14:09:22] <Miyoyo> it overheats when on a mattress

L1494[14:09:36] <Miyoyo> 80°c idle on flat wood

L1495[14:09:42]

<MajGenRelativity> gg!

L1496[14:09:45] <Miyoyo> I love it!

L1497[14:09:52]

<MajGenRelativity> my primary laptop hits 95C with modded MC

L1498[14:09:59] <Miyoyo> Also it surprisingly has a 2 hour battery life

L1499[14:10:04]

<MajGenRelativity> or any real game

L1500[14:10:20] <Miyoyo> For a 5 yo 6 cell battery it's surprising

L1501[14:10:42] <MalkContent> u ever clean its grills?

L1502[14:10:51] <Miyoyo> I cleaned it a week ago

L1503[14:10:55] <MalkContent> hm

L1504[14:11:06]

<MajGenRelativity> compressed air 4 lyfe

L1505[14:11:10] <MalkContent> oced? ^^

L1506[14:11:21] <Miyoyo> Malk

L1507[14:11:25]

<MajGenRelativity> really

L1508[14:11:26] <Miyoyo> Let's sit down

L1509[14:11:29]

<MajGenRelativity> Overclocking a laptop?

L1510[14:11:32] <Miyoyo> for five seconds

L1511[14:11:36] <Miyoyo> and please listen

L1512[14:11:40] <Miyoyo> This

L1513[14:11:43] <Miyoyo> is a packard bell

L1514[14:11:52] <Forecaster> you weren't sitting down already?

L1515[14:11:53] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity still barely knows what packard bell is

L1516[14:11:53] <Miyoyo> with a dual core

L1517[14:11:58] <Miyoyo> celeron processor

L1518[14:12:08] <Miyoyo> (Low quality acer brand

L1519[14:12:11] <Miyoyo> you know)

L1520[14:12:35]

<MajGenRelativity> ah

L1521[14:12:37] <Miyoyo> the processor is literally underclocked by default

L1522[14:12:43]

<MajGenRelativity> Same thing as Gateway

L1523[14:12:49] <Miyoyo> It should be 1.35 ghz it's 1.15

L1524[14:13:01] <Miyoyo> Gateway is the "enterprise" edition

L1525[14:13:17] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity was sitting on a 2.4 GHz base 3.4 Ghz turbo i7

L1526[14:13:27] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity had that laptop shot out from under him

L1527[14:13:37] <Miyoyo> Rip

L1528[14:14:25] <MalkContent> why has it 80° tho :P

L1529[14:14:48] <Miyoyo> The thermal paste is way too small

L1530[14:15:03]

<MajGenRelativity> you can buy thermal paste

L1531[14:15:07] <Miyoyo> I emptied my tube last week

L1532[14:15:08] <Miyoyo> ...

L1533[14:15:12] <Miyoyo> I know gdmnt

L1534[14:15:27]

<MajGenRelativity> including "Elite Awesome Super-Thermal Conductive Thermal Paste"

L1535[14:15:30] <Miyoyo> wat

L1536[14:15:35]

<MajGenRelativity> Guarranteed to cool your CPU to 0K

L1537[14:16:03] <Corded> * MajGenRelativity is making a joke based on some thermal paste manufacturer's claims

L1538[14:16:21] <MalkContent> is that from the same guys that made the antivirus hdmi cable?

L1539[14:16:32] <gamax92> lol wat.

L1540[14:16:35] <Miyoyo> wat

L1541[14:16:40] <Miyoyo> Correction

L1542[14:16:46] <MalkContent> haha lemme try to find it

L1543[14:16:57] <Miyoyo> it's not 1.35 and 1.15 it's 2.35 and 2.1

L1544[14:16:57]

<MajGenRelativity> MalkContent, I need to see that

L1545[14:17:09] <MalkContent> http://www.zdnet.com/article/this-xbox-hdmi-cable-has-anti-virus-protection/

L1546[14:17:16] <MalkContent> first hit on google even :D

L1547[14:17:45]

<MajGenRelativity> I can't wait to read

L1548[14:17:48] <Miyoyo> also

L1549[14:17:52] <Miyoyo> 4189 bmips

L1550[14:18:13] <Miyoyo> also GM45 gpu

L1551[14:18:26] <Miyoyo> it suffers at 720p decoding

L1552[14:18:29]

<MajGenRelativity> Here's the kicker, in case you were too astounded that you missed it. The cable doesn't claim to feature virus protection. No. It features anti-virus protection. Virus protection protects you from viruses. So anti-virus protection must protect you from anti-viruses?

L1553[14:18:34]

<MajGenRelativity> LOLOLOLOL

L1554[14:19:20]

<MajGenRelativity> This company should be sued into oblivion. Actually, Microsoft should sue this company into oblivion. After all, it's apparently called the "Xbox 360 Elite HDMI cable."

L1555[14:19:25]

<MajGenRelativity> yes it should be

L1556[14:20:14] <gamax92> Miyoyo: 945?

L1557[14:20:43] <MalkContent> :D

L1558[14:22:06] <Miyoyo> GMA 4500M

L1559[14:22:16] <Miyoyo> Not only is it a GMA

L1560[14:22:18] <Miyoyo> it's M

L1561[14:22:32]

<MajGenRelativity> yeah!

L1562[14:22:38] <Miyoyo> QUALITY

L1563[14:22:46]

<MajGenRelativity> like a GeForce 940M!

L1564[14:22:53]

<MajGenRelativity> Not only is it 940, it's an M!

L1565[14:23:01] <Miyoyo> Still

L1566[14:23:06] <Miyoyo> it's more powerful

L1567[14:23:13]

<MajGenRelativity> Barely

L1568[14:23:18] <Miyoyo> THAN A FUCKING PLASTIC SPADE

L1569[14:23:27] <Miyoyo> Not a GEforce 4500M

L1570[14:23:30]

<MajGenRelativity> I saw a desktop with an i5-6600K and a Geforce GT 710

L1571[14:23:33] <Miyoyo> a GMA

L1572[14:23:36] <Miyoyo> from intel

L1573[14:23:51] <Miyoyo> the atom line

L1574[14:23:55]

<MajGenRelativity> the GT 710 is less powerful than the integrated HD 520 in the 6600K

L1575[14:23:56] <Miyoyo> had GMA 9xx

L1576[14:24:16] <Miyoyo> HD > GMA 9xx > GMA 4500

L1577[14:24:33] <Miyoyo> Now imagine

L1578[14:24:36] <Miyoyo> it's an M

L1579[14:24:45] <Miyoyo> A LIME

L1580[14:24:47]

<MajGenRelativity> I can imagine

L1581[14:25:09] <Miyoyo> This laptop runs elementary

L1582[14:25:38] <Miyoyo> IT HAS TROUBLE WITH THE FUCKING GALA COMPOSITOR

L1583[14:25:52] <Miyoyo> it has trouble running a 2D desktop env

L1584[14:26:43]

<MajGenRelativity> Windows Aero?

L1585[14:27:05]

<MajGenRelativity> also, Miyoyo, how is your nick pronounced?

L1586[14:27:16]

<MajGenRelativity> I pronounce it internally as "My yo yo"

L1587[14:27:19] <Miyoyo> MEE-YOW-YOW

L1588[14:27:21] <Miyoyo> like

L1589[14:27:24] <Miyoyo> the latin I

L1590[14:27:28] <Miyoyo> ee

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L1592[14:27:48] <Miyoyo> French you know

L1593[14:27:49]

<MajGenRelativity> ah

L1594[14:27:57] <Miyoyo> Well belgium but still

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L1597[14:46:17] <Inari> http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/494654861413274690/A98FF9B8CD902F59F2E7F17302C90B395FCCEACB/

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L1599[14:46:57]

<MajGenRelativity> -70C?

L1600[14:47:01]

<MajGenRelativity> Are you doing LN2 cooling?

L1601[14:47:07]

<MajGenRelativity> Oh wait

L1602[14:47:16] <Lizzy> also grr, why does DB shared folders make the space used apply to everyone even if they're readonly ¬_¬

L1603[14:47:16]

<MajGenRelativity> That's the temperature of the place isn't it..................

L1604[14:47:24] <Inari> MGR: yes

L1605[14:47:35] <Inari> the spaceship is heated to 19 degrees C

L1606[14:47:37] <Inari> which i find too cold

L1607[14:47:40]

<MajGenRelativity> ah

L1608[14:47:41] <Inari> so i made a feature reques to adjust that

L1609[14:47:59]

<MajGenRelativity> LN2 cooling would have been pretty cool

L1610[14:48:13] <Inari> dear god how do you take over 24 hours to /accept/ an order

L1611[14:50:49] <Forecaster> Lizzy: for local offline access?

L1612[14:51:26] <Lizzy> Forecaster, yes but it's not a toggleable feature

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L1616[15:21:15] <Miyoyo> My god

L1617[15:21:21] <Miyoyo> the documentation of Electrical age

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L1619[15:25:15] <TheFox> hello

L1620[15:25:22] <Miyoyo> Hi foxy

L1621[15:25:29]

<MajGenRelativity> hello TheFox

L1622[15:25:43] <TheFox> Hi Miyoyo and MajgenRelativity

L1623[15:25:50] <TheFox> Miyoyo: i uh i didnt know you felt that way

L1624[15:25:51] <TheFox> XD

L1625[15:25:55] <Miyoyo> Fox, did you ever use electrical age?

L1626[15:25:59] <TheFox> yes

L1627[15:26:02] <TheFox> i used it alot

L1628[15:26:03] <Miyoyo> The wiki

L1629[15:26:06] <Miyoyo> it is cancerous right?

L1630[15:26:24] <TheFox> er, i never used the Wiki, i learned by fire

L1631[15:27:03] <TheFox> its had several updates since i last played

L1632[15:27:45] <Miyoyo> How

L1633[15:27:45] <TheFox> oh, yes. that wiki needs A LOT of work

L1634[15:27:46] <Miyoyo> does

L1635[15:27:48] <Miyoyo> the

L1636[15:27:52] <Miyoyo> thermal probe

L1637[15:27:53] <Miyoyo> word

L1638[15:27:55] <Miyoyo> work*

L1639[15:28:09] <TheFox> uh

L1640[15:28:20] <Miyoyo> fucking magic amirite

L1641[15:28:31]

<MajGenRelativity> gotta go

L1642[15:28:35] <Miyoyo> bye

L1643[15:28:37] <TheFox> did you try a monitor Miyoyo ?

L1644[15:28:38] <TheFox> bye maj

L1645[15:28:46] <Miyoyo> The monitor works fine

L1646[15:28:48] <Miyoyo> the problem is

L1647[15:28:58] <Miyoyo> Hot item <-> thermometer

L1648[15:29:38] <TheFox> i assume you put it on the block? i never used it

L1649[15:29:44] <Miyoyo> That's the problem

L1650[15:29:46] <Miyoyo> this wiki is shit

L1651[15:29:50] <Miyoyo> and the owner doesn't give a fuck

L1652[15:30:42] <TheFox> erm, there is a video on it somewhere, if you find the guy i watched, nothing will be left out. he does a great job at it. i just cant remember his name, sorry

L1653[15:30:59] <Miyoyo> Pokepeel?

L1654[15:31:27] <TheFox> um

L1655[15:31:30] <TheFox> let me see

L1656[15:32:19] <TheFox> um no, i think the videos i watched where takin down D:

L1657[15:41:30] <Miyoyo> fucking hell there are functions and shit

L1658[15:42:21] <TheCryptek> What's wrong with functions owo

L1659[15:42:27] <Miyoyo> Nothing

L1660[15:42:35] <Miyoyo> ECXCEPT WHEN THEY'RE NOT DOCUMENTED

L1661[15:43:09] <Saphire> ^

L1662[15:43:21] <Saphire> and when there are not even arguments

L1663[15:43:55] <Saphire> *not even an arguments guide

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L1665[15:57:03]

<Mimiru> https://github.com/Electrical-Age/ElectricalAge go read the code :p

L1666[16:01:20] <MalkContent> corded is discord bot, no?

L1667[16:01:23] <MalkContent> discord any good?

L1668[16:01:37] <Miyoyo> Well discord's discord

L1669[16:02:02]

<Mimiru> Discord is pretty good

L1670[16:02:47] <Miyoyo> Alright i did the tut map

L1671[16:02:51] <Miyoyo> NO THERMAL THINGS

L1672[16:02:56] <Inari> depends, i dislike its client for multiple servers :P

L1673[16:02:59] <Inari> but some like it i guess

L1674[16:03:12] <Miyoyo> I find it too overkill

L1675[16:03:20] * Inari sticks a thermal sensor into Miyoyo

L1676[16:03:25] <Miyoyo> ooh

L1677[16:03:59] <MalkContent> hm

L1678[16:04:28] <Miyoyo> an han

L1679[16:04:36]

<Mimiru> I'm on a few servers.. http://puu.sh/qN7Ld/c820939d7d.jpg heh

L1680[16:04:43] <MalkContent> would you recommend it over mumble for voice?

L1681[16:05:03]

<Mimiru> I've used mumble for about 15 minutes, and hated every second. so yes :p

L1682[16:05:11] <Miyoyo> The quality is top notch, but so is the bandwidth usage

L1683[16:05:21] <MalkContent> :D

L1684[16:05:30] <Miyoyo> I can't use discord and play at the same time

L1685[16:05:33]

<Mimiru> You can set the quality, and therefor the bandwidth

L1686[16:05:33] <Miyoyo> shit adsl y'all

L1687[16:05:50] <Miyoyo> Still, mumble uses much less with better compression

L1688[16:06:00] <Miyoyo> But then discord has all sort of features

L1689[16:06:14] <Miyoyo> so if you can affrod it (in terms of bw) then go for it m8

L1690[16:06:27] <Miyoyo> keep in mind i rock 4Mbps

L1691[16:08:13] <MalkContent> game+voice should not exceed 4mbps :x

L1692[16:09:21] <GreaseMonkey> in my view: mumble > discord > TS3 > skype

L1693[16:09:38] <GreaseMonkey> not sure where i'd slot tox in there as i've not used it much at all

L1694[16:09:48] <GreaseMonkey> but i'd definitely use it over skype

L1695[16:10:01] <GreaseMonkey> can confirm that video calling works

L1696[16:10:11] <Miyoyo> Skype's trash

L1697[16:10:13] <Miyoyo> in general

L1698[16:10:18] <Miyoyo> don't use skype people

L1699[16:10:46] <Miyoyo> Malk: I'm talking more about ping

L1700[16:11:01] <Corded> * Eleria I would place Curse between discord and ts3 tho

L1701[16:11:02]

<Mimiru> I still run and use my TS3 server, I prefer it to Discord, mainly cause I control it. But Discord is alright as well

L1702[16:11:13] <Miyoyo> I get shit tons of ping for no reason when anything bigger than a mbps passes trough my card

L1703[16:11:39] <GreaseMonkey> so basically we can all agree that skype sucks? despite the fact that there are people who can't accept that TS3 is also objectively shit?>

L1704[16:11:57] <Miyoyo> Skype has no reason to exist anymore

L1705[16:11:59]

<Mimiru> Skype sucks, how is TS3 shit?

L1706[16:12:10]

<Eleria> I like ts3 tbh

L1707[16:12:11] <Miyoyo> At least as long as they don't change their video compression algs

L1708[16:12:18] <GreaseMonkey> for starters there's a very blatant code smell: the news bar chews a whole core

L1709[16:12:31] <Miyoyo> TS3 not floss meme bla bla and yeah cpu usage

L1710[16:12:42]

<Mimiru> The news bar uses a core.. what?

L1711[16:12:43] <Miyoyo> Otherwise I don't have a lot against ts

L1712[16:12:49] <GreaseMonkey> it legitimately does

L1713[16:12:53]

<Mimiru> What..?

L1714[16:13:07] <Miyoyo> If it hogs a core that ain't normal m8

L1715[16:13:07]

<Mimiru> TS3 has never... *NEVER* used more than a few % for me

L1716[16:13:14]

<Mimiru> Hogs a core lolk

L1717[16:13:34]

<Eleria> For me it's using like 1 % o.O

L1718[16:13:38] <GreaseMonkey> i have a 3.2GHz i5-6500, and yes, it hogs a whole core

L1719[16:13:44] <GreaseMonkey> then again i run linux

L1720[16:14:13] <Kasen> ＰＲＯＰＲＩＥＴＡＲＹ　ＳＯＦＴＷＡＲＥ

L1721[16:14:15]

<Mimiru> I have a 4.0/4.2GHz FX-8350 and it uses 2-4% on a bad day

L1722[16:14:57] <GreaseMonkey> ＡＢＯＲＴ　ＡＢＯＲＴ

L1723[16:15:37] <GreaseMonkey> all this talk about how shit every voice chat program is kinda makes me want to write my own not-shit one

L1724[16:15:53]

<Mimiru> the *only* issue I've had with TS3 is on android, and it's dislike of using my bluetooth mic

L1725[16:15:56] <Achai> Google Hango-

L1726[16:15:58] * Achai crashes

L1727[16:16:03]

<Mimiru> lol

L1728[16:16:34] <Kasen> TS has always been a crashy piece of shit for me

L1729[16:16:46]

<Mimiru> http://puu.sh/qN8DY/e31bd4997d.png

L1730[16:16:50] <GreaseMonkey> i don't recall how crashy ventrilo was

L1731[16:17:00]

<Mimiru> Vent pissedm e off with it's 8 user limit

L1732[16:17:00] <Miyoyo> Alright fuck EA

L1733[16:17:05] <Miyoyo> Ventrillo is SHIT

L1734[16:17:28] <Miyoyo> It uses outdated codecs

L1735[16:17:35] <Achai> but I can't completely fuck EA because EASTL is quite good

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L1737[16:17:48] <Miyoyo> Limits what you can do

L1738[16:17:52] <Miyoyo> Ram hog

L1739[16:18:11] <Miyoyo> and yeah it has logitech integration but who gives a shit when you can do f13-f24

L1740[16:18:12] <Kasen> vent worked better than TS for me, but it felt like something from 1997

L1741[16:18:18] <GreaseMonkey> yeah i might just start my own thing with portaudio and opus

L1742[16:18:27] <Miyoyo> Vent is literally a relic of the past

L1743[16:18:31] <Miyoyo> worse than skype for audio

L1744[16:18:36] <Miyoyo> (maybe not but still

L1745[16:18:41] <Miyoyo> it's pretty bad)

L1746[16:18:58] <GreaseMonkey> i mean, what do you really need in a voice chat program

L1747[16:19:06] <Kasen> i prefer mumble, personally, although its ACL system could be a little clearer

L1748[16:19:26] <MalkContent> ^

L1749[16:19:28] <Miyoyo> GreaseMonkey: UDP audio data over internet

L1750[16:19:42] <GreaseMonkey> 1. network protocol, 2. audio in/out, 3. audio codec, 4. UI, 5. some way of doing push to talk

L1751[16:19:53] <MalkContent> to me mumbles big problem is that it is so obviously an open source project

L1752[16:20:08] <Miyoyo> Honestly gimme some features of TS like per user audio and shit like that

L1753[16:20:12] <Miyoyo> put it in mumble

L1754[16:20:16] <Kasen> per-user audio?

L1755[16:20:18] <Miyoyo> ult audio client

L1756[16:20:21] <Miyoyo> Per user audio levels

L1757[16:20:22] <MalkContent> bring any normal person to mumble and they are like "what is this!? so many options D: don't touch me with this"

L1758[16:20:23] <Kasen> oh

L1759[16:20:25] <Kasen> fuck that shit

L1760[16:20:26] <Kasen> i ahte that

L1761[16:20:28] <Kasen> hate*

L1762[16:20:36] <Kasen> playing games in a channel with 7 people

L1763[16:20:36] <GreaseMonkey> in other words: 1. BSD sockets for UDP, 2. PortAudio, 3. Opus, 4. some shit i can pull out of my arse in SDL, 5. per-OS hooks

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L1765[16:20:36] <Miyoyo> Why do you hate that?

L1766[16:20:38] <Kasen> new user joins

L1767[16:20:40] <Kasen> really quiet

L1768[16:20:48] <Kasen> fucking everyone alt-tabs to boost their volume

L1769[16:20:51] <Miyoyo> huh that's wierd

L1770[16:20:55] <Kasen> isntead of that one person with the broken audio just fixing their own shit

L1771[16:20:59] <Kasen> instead*

L1772[16:21:04] <MalkContent> :D

L1773[16:21:22] <GreaseMonkey> #1 would definitely require proper elaboration

L1774[16:21:26] <Miyoyo> GreaseMonkey: Doesn't SDL have os-abstracted keyboard commands?

L1775[16:21:51] <GreaseMonkey> Miyoyo: afaik i'd need to use the OS to get the key events At Any Time(TM)

L1776[16:21:58] <Miyoyo> tm

L1777[16:22:02] <GreaseMonkey> i know win32 has a fairly nice way of doing it

L1778[16:22:10] <Kasen> wait

L1779[16:22:11] <GreaseMonkey> i forgot what it was though

L1780[16:22:13] <Kasen> did i just see grease

L1781[16:22:15] <Kasen> say something nice

L1782[16:22:18] <Kasen> about windows?

L1783[16:22:35] <GreaseMonkey> well yeah, although this isn't very nice from a security perspective

L1784[16:22:53] <GreaseMonkey> i mean, they provide GetMousePos() and SetMousePos() at least

L1785[16:23:00] <GreaseMonkey> which is mostly useful for completely fucking with people

L1786[16:23:03] <Kasen> i mean

L1787[16:23:08] <Kasen> you're running arbitrary software

L1788[16:23:09] <Miyoyo> so safe

L1789[16:23:15] <Kasen> you can do a lot worse than move the mouse

L1790[16:23:41] <GreaseMonkey> well yeah with that argument there's a lot of bullshit you can do on pretty much anything

L1791[16:23:50] <Miyoyo> Overwrite gpu mem :D

L1792[16:24:01] <GreaseMonkey> Miyoyo: not really unless your drivers are shit

L1793[16:24:15] <Miyoyo> We're talking nvidia levels of bad

L1794[16:24:30] <GreaseMonkey> but are we talking AMD levels of bad?

L1795[16:24:36] <GreaseMonkey> which i'm pretty sure is higher

L1796[16:24:40] <Miyoyo> Both levels of bad

L1797[16:24:52] <GreaseMonkey> afaik if you have an intel GPU and the drivers aren't shit you actually have pretty good control over what each process is allowed to see

L1798[16:25:53] <GreaseMonkey> but then again, by similar but slightly different logic, so do GPUs w/o UMA

L1799[16:26:15] <GreaseMonkey> (assuming of course that you can fence your memory properly)

L1800[16:28:17] <payonel> psh progress update. emulated remote events are no longer being lost. psh is probably what i'd call beta

L1801[16:29:51] * Lizzy curls up on vifino and falls asleep

L1802[16:30:06] * vifino pets Lizzy

L1803[16:31:34] <payonel> all this hate for voip tools you haven't paid for :) i tend to not mock something until i've built something better myself, or unless i've paid for it

L1804[16:31:48] <Miyoyo> >unless i've paid for it

L1805[16:32:06] <payonel> but meh, i'm also pretty easy going. perhaps that makes me not fit in so much in typical irc channels :P

L1806[16:32:26] <Miyoyo> Going by this logic, I can't critiscize, I don't know, twinkies, because I've never bought one, even if scientific research on it show high ammounts of sugar?

L1807[16:32:53] <Kasen> that's stupid logic

L1808[16:33:15] <payonel> well, yes. but there is a tiny bit of allowance to criticize it if it is something "paid for", but no, if you've never bought one, shut up about it, yes :)

L1809[16:33:18] <Kasen> i've never built a car, but if i see one with a spike on the steering wheel, i'm gonna criticise it

L1810[16:33:23] <payonel> and also, who hasn't bought a twinkie!?

L1811[16:33:25] <payonel> they are amazing

L1812[16:33:29] <Miyoyo> In europe

L1813[16:33:30] <Kasen> i haven't

L1814[16:33:33] <Miyoyo> there are no twinkies

L1815[16:33:34] <Kasen> not an american

L1816[16:33:36] <payonel> well, now they aren't made anymore?

L1817[16:34:03] <Miyoyo> Still, ventrillo has worse quality than fucking mumble and you need to pay for it

L1818[16:34:23] <Kasen> mumble quality isn't bad - hell, it's the same fucking codec as TS

L1819[16:34:32] <Kasen> it's just low-bandwidth by default

L1820[16:34:49] <Kasen> unless you haven't used it for a while - the opus update is relatively recent (year or two)

L1821[16:34:52] <Miyoyo> It's like having a fucking 1990 polo at 50000$ when you can get something like an audi or even a tesla for 35000$

L1822[16:35:15] <payonel> Miyoyo: but definitely, people complaining about things they haven't purchased, or have never used -- yeah, that gets old instantly

L1823[16:35:24] <Kasen> lol, went on the vent site

L1824[16:35:26] <Miyoyo> Have never used I ca, tell

L1825[16:35:27] <Kasen> >Latest News

L1826[16:35:28] <Kasen> >2014-07-30

L1827[16:35:32] <Miyoyo> but I tried ventrillo

L1828[16:35:35] <Miyoyo> it was SHIT

L1829[16:35:52] <Miyoyo> A little better than skype

L1830[16:35:55] <Miyoyo> and skype is shit

L1831[16:36:22] <payonel> then make something better

L1832[16:36:23] <Kasen> i needed to use skype recently for a meeting - it got passive aggressive at me for not wanting to install the browser addon <_<

L1833[16:36:28] <Miyoyo> I don't need to

L1834[16:36:31] <Miyoyo> mumble exists

L1835[16:36:33] <Miyoyo> TS exists

L1836[16:36:40] <payonel> then stop complaining

L1837[16:36:47] <payonel> :)

L1838[16:36:50] <Kasen> you can criticise things without having to go out and do a better job yourself...

L1839[16:36:52] <Miyoyo> For fuck's sake stop assuming thing

L1840[16:36:56] <Miyoyo> I'm just saying

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L1842[16:37:12] <payonel> i'm not assuming anything, just clarifying my perspective about whiners

L1843[16:37:19] <Kasen> >whiners

L1844[16:37:24] <Miyoyo> there's no reason to use ventrillo over anything because we were talking about voice comms

L1845[16:37:33] <Miyoyo> If you start saying that

L1846[16:37:40] <Miyoyo> Yeah I can't fucking mill a head gasket

L1847[16:37:42] <Kasen> legitimate criticism == whining apparently, unless you write a competitor?

L1848[16:37:53] <Miyoyo> doesn't change the fact that if mine is blown I can say it's bad

L1849[16:38:14] <payonel> Kasen: no, "legitimate criticism" is not == "f***ing sh**"

L1850[16:38:28] <Kasen> payonel, yes, because that's all that was said

L1851[16:38:33] <Miyoyo> The quality of ventrillo is horrible

L1852[16:38:34] <Kasen> that's the entirety of the conversation, right there

L1853[16:38:41] <payonel> meh

L1854[16:38:44] <Miyoyo> Saying that something is shit is a synonim

L1855[16:38:51] <Miyoyo> this word is badly written

L1856[16:38:52] <Kasen> the thing said in annoyance when you're acting like a dict

L1857[16:38:54] <Miyoyo> wait 2 second

L1858[16:38:55] <Kasen> dick*

L1859[16:39:04] <Miyoyo> synonym

L1860[16:39:05] <Miyoyo> better

L1861[16:39:06] <Kasen> can you tell i'm writing python?

L1862[16:39:46] <Michiyo> payonel, RE: twinkies yes, they are still made :P

L1863[16:39:52] <Kasen> i hate that attitude - "you can't complain - you couldn't do better"

L1864[16:40:06] <Miyoyo> On that subject, what do twinkies taste like?

L1865[16:40:17] <Miyoyo> $GenericChemicalCake with banana filling?

L1866[16:40:21] <Kasen> corn syrup?

L1867[16:40:27] <Michiyo> Banana..?

L1868[16:40:45] <Michiyo> I like the Chocolate, and the Original, never got into the other flavorings

L1869[16:41:30] <Miyoyo> Do amazon sell twinkies?

L1870[16:41:34] <Michiyo> Yes

L1871[16:41:45] <Michiyo> https://www.amazon.com/Hostess-Twinkies-individually-wrapped-twinkies/dp/B0027AR7RU

L1872[16:42:10] <Miyoyo> I'm in belgiupm

L1873[16:42:16] <Miyoyo> so hostess doesn't deliver there

L1874[16:43:21] <Michiyo> hostess doesn't exist :P

L1875[16:43:39] <Miyoyo> Well on amazon someone calls themselve that

L1876[16:43:42] <Miyoyo> at least amazon.Fr

L1877[16:43:45] <Michiyo> The brand is currently owned by private equity firms Apollo Global Management and C. Dean Metropoulos and Company

L1878[16:44:04] <Miyoyo> Fucking hell they deliver nothing in belgium

L1879[16:44:08] <Miyoyo> no amazon.be

L1880[16:44:11] <Miyoyo> that's sad :(

L1881[16:44:22] <Michiyo> Pay someone who can get them to ship them to you?

L1882[16:44:24] <Michiyo> :P

L1883[16:44:33] <Miyoyo> Meh

L1884[16:44:50] * gamax92 gives GreaseMonkey Qualcomm

L1885[16:44:51] <Kasen> the most expensively disappointing snack you'll ever taste

L1886[16:45:07] <Miyoyo> 3 bucks for two little bars

L1887[16:45:09] <Miyoyo> ye

L1888[16:46:04] <GreaseMonkey> how would it compare with twix

L1889[16:46:15] <Miyoyo> Twixes are hard-shelled

L1890[16:46:23] <Miyoyo> have a solid biscuit

L1891[16:46:26] <Miyoyo> caramel and chocolate

L1892[16:46:49] <Miyoyo> Twinkies use heat-raised cakes filled with something

L1893[16:46:51] <gamax92> Hi welcome to advertisements

L1894[16:47:03] <Miyoyo> But das objctv

L1895[16:47:06] <Miyoyo> :(

L1896[16:47:15] <gamax92> you can advertise facts

L1897[16:47:17] <TheFox> im back

L1898[16:47:21] <Miyoyo> k

L1899[16:47:29] <Michiyo> It needs to be 5:30 already

L1900[16:48:11] <TheFox> %seen TheCryptek

L1901[16:48:12] <MichiBot> TheFox: TheCryptek was last seen 1h 5m 50s ago.

L1902[16:48:18] <gamax92> But alas, it was only 4:48

L1903[16:48:35] <Miyoyo> It's 23:48 in GMT+2

L1904[16:48:36] <MalkContent> wow. just colored a computer for the first time

L1905[16:48:44] <TheFox> its 2:48 for me

L1906[16:48:52] <Miyoyo> Where you at fox?

L1907[16:48:56] <MalkContent> cause i'm playing with immersive engineering and i thought "well lets make this look nice for a change"

L1908[16:48:59] <TheFox> Miyoyo: California

L1909[16:49:03] <Miyoyo> neat

L1910[16:49:08] <MalkContent> i am somewhat underwhelmed ^^

L1911[16:49:24] <TheFox> MalkContent: write a 1GB lua script

L1912[16:49:33] <MalkContent> ?

L1913[16:49:40] <TheFox> that shall overwelm you, not underwelm

L1914[16:49:46] <MalkContent> a

L1915[16:49:48] <Miyoyo> >cause i'm playing with immersive engineering

L1916[16:49:50] <Miyoyo> way

L1917[16:49:53] <Miyoyo> wat

L1918[16:50:01] <TheFox> Miyoyo: Immersive engineering is a fun mod

L1919[16:50:05] <Miyoyo> k

L1920[16:50:05] <MalkContent> gotta make things look nice

L1921[16:50:11] <MalkContent> if everything else looks nice :P

L1922[16:50:14] <TheFox> espcecially when you mix it with AE

L1923[16:50:32] <MalkContent> computers are kind of uh... on the dark side

L1924[16:51:40] <TheFox> to be honest, i have been here since late 2014 and had no clue you could color computers

L1925[16:51:48] <MalkContent> ikr

L1926[16:52:28] <MalkContent> if you color it white, it is more of a

L1927[16:52:33] <MalkContent> cold war white

L1928[16:52:54] <MalkContent> there are storm clouds on the horizon comrade. did you get food today?

L1929[16:53:08] <TheFox> erm, if evt~="modem_message" would work right?

L1930[16:53:27] <MalkContent> like the colors towers were back in the day before they turned yellowish

L1931[16:54:36] <TheFox> #lua if "string" ~= "strang" then print("success") else return false end

L1932[16:54:41] <|0xDECAFBAD|> > success | nil

L1933[16:54:46] <TheFox> ok, that worked

L1934[16:55:26] <TheFox> oh, really, i missed an arg...

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L1936[17:00:22] <Miyoyo> It's midnight and I want to eat a carbonara

L1937[17:00:58] <Miyoyo> What's the adjective for people on #oc?

L1938[17:01:01] <Miyoyo> Psychos?

L1939[17:01:44] <Skye> >_>

L1940[17:01:57] <Miyoyo> Dr#OCnes?

L1941[17:05:42] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: how are we psychos

L1942[17:06:06] <Miyoyo> I don't know, we're a mod IRC channel but since 5 days I've seen

L1943[17:06:19] <Miyoyo> -Snuggle storms

L1944[17:06:20] *** medsouz|offline is now known as medsouz

L1945[17:06:23] <Miyoyo> -PC Problems

L1946[17:06:26] <Miyoyo> -pc Problems

L1947[17:06:39] <Miyoyo> -Gamax live watching hentai being drawn

L1948[17:06:49] <Miyoyo> -Discussions about fucking audio comms

L1949[17:06:53] <MalkContent> that sounds more like a self help group

L1950[17:06:58] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L1951[17:07:00] <Miyoyo> Still

L1952[17:07:11] <MalkContent> and someone trying to aquire drawingskills :P

L1953[17:07:14] <Miyoyo> and I don't remember I have shit memory

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L1956[17:25:20] <Miyoyo> I went mosquito hunting

L1957[17:25:24] <Miyoyo> Six casualities

L1958[17:29:06] <TheCryptek> MIYOYO

L1959[17:29:15] <TheCryptek> I trained you better. You should have walked away with more then that.

L1960[17:29:22] <TheCryptek> xD

L1961[17:34:13] <Miyoyo> This was a genocide.

L1962[17:34:17] <Miyoyo> None are left?

L1963[17:34:20] <Miyoyo> None are left.

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L1966[17:46:45]

<Kimiro> o.o

L1967[17:47:43]

<Kimiro> *smacks Miyoyo on the cheek* Missed one.

L1968[17:48:13] <Miyoyo> ʢꔸ﹏ꔸʡ

L1969[17:53:09] <GreaseMonkey> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/1032-how-do-we-clock-a-contended-bus-controller-oc2/ <-- this is very much a loose draft

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L1972[17:59:37] <Miyoyo> I still want to eat carbonaras

L1973[18:03:51] <Miyoyo> GreaseMonkey?

L1974[18:07:58] <GreaseMonkey> Miyoyo: what?

L1975[18:09:19] <Miyoyo> Yeah I was just wondering about the rising complexity of OpenComputers

L1976[18:10:12] <GreaseMonkey> i tend to refer to circuity as OC2

L1977[18:11:29] <Miyoyo> Yeah but as I read this IRC it looks like OC will get dropped in favor of circuity

L1978[18:11:53] <GreaseMonkey> as it stands, it's possible to run two CPUs over the same bus but it does not have proper support

L1979[18:12:14] <GreaseMonkey> and yeah it is quite likely that will be the case

L1980[18:12:14] <Miyoyo> Yeah, but it looks like this is getting overengineered

L1981[18:13:39] <Miyoyo> I mean, yeah there definitely will be more complexity (which will most likely drive away some people honestly people are lazy) but having more than one architecture on a system is just overengineering

L1982[18:13:41] <Vexatos> Miyoyo, you see

L1983[18:13:44] <Vexatos> please look at the mod name

L1984[18:13:52] <Miyoyo> Circuity yeah

L1985[18:14:00] <Miyoyo> but if OC gets dropped in favor of circuity

L1986[18:14:03] <Vexatos> There is a reason for the name

L1987[18:14:09] <GreaseMonkey> "but having more than one architecture on a system is just overengineering" i disagree on that point

L1988[18:14:10] <Miyoyo> Well there will be a quite massive split

L1989[18:14:13] <GreaseMonkey> well

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L1991[18:14:26] <Miyoyo> Do you know of any systems

L1992[18:14:29] <Miyoyo> any kind of system

L1993[18:14:41] <Miyoyo> that has two different architecture CPUs that boot off the same data source

L1994[18:14:50] <GreaseMonkey> currently it uses Z80, i'm working on a MIPS3 core as pretty much a "worst case"

L1995[18:15:34] <Miyoyo> (Will we get eeproms bigger than 4k pls pls pls pls pls pls)

L1996[18:15:50] <GreaseMonkey> (probably not, use a disk)

L1997[18:15:59] <Kasen> what's the difference from how OC currently works? it already requires you use a Lua arch thing to use Lua

L1998[18:16:23] <Miyoyo> Yeah, but there's no bus emulation or even Direct Ram access

L1999[18:16:28] <GreaseMonkey> Kasen: this is roughly how you build the systems (yeah yeah placeholder textures): https://twitter.com/SangarWasTaken/status/766777328416460801

L2000[18:16:29] <MichiBot> Fri Aug 19 18:22:15 CDT 2016 @SangarWasTaken: Those few lines of console output make me so incredibly happy! https://t.co/rcSRN3EC0G

L2001[18:16:44] <Miyoyo> In the end current OC is just a sandbox

L2002[18:16:59] <Miyoyo> But lua does not run on bare metal by itself

L2003[18:17:16] <Kasen> looks about the same other than breaking the thing up into multiple blocks

L2004[18:18:09] <Miyoyo> Well it's like every item currently in a OC case is a block and it looks like there will be WAY more complexity possible

L2005[18:18:27] <GreaseMonkey> it's also more real-CPU-friendly

L2006[18:18:29] <Kasen> sure, in the current case, Lua is the bare metal, but only if you use the Lua arch - wouldn't that still be the case in circuitry?

L2007[18:18:44] <GreaseMonkey> in circuity, if you want lua, you run it atop a CPU

L2008[18:18:52] <GreaseMonkey> well, you compile it for a CPU

L2009[18:18:52] <Miyoyo> Well the current lua is not really bare metal so yeah

L2010[18:18:53] <Kasen> that seems... inefficient

L2011[18:19:03] <Miyoyo> Honestly

L2012[18:19:05] <Kasen> VM in a VM (potentially in a VM)

L2013[18:19:23] <Miyoyo> I'd say it is incredibly inefficient but whatever this is the direction OC takes stfu and endure it

L2014[18:19:36] <GreaseMonkey> if you count lua as a VM that's VM^3 at the very least

L2015[18:19:51] <Miyoyo> Does the JVM run in LLVM?

L2016[18:19:59] <Miyoyo> IF this is the case that's VM^4

L2017[18:20:07] <GreaseMonkey> probably not

L2018[18:20:10] <Miyoyo> aw

L2019[18:20:11] <Miyoyo> Still

L2020[18:20:16] <Miyoyo> Java is slow af

L2021[18:20:16] <Kasen> i do - lua code in the lua vm, which is running as whatever arch code in the OC VM, which is potentially written in java/scala/whatever running in the JVM

L2022[18:20:16] <GreaseMonkey> if you use clang to somehow build a JVM it'll probably compile to native

L2023[18:20:20] <GreaseMonkey> java's not slow af

L2024[18:20:36] <Miyoyo> I'm sorry but java's slow af for what it is

L2025[18:20:39] <Kasen> would it not be possible to build an arch that is Lua, to avoid that extra layer?

L2026[18:20:40] <GreaseMonkey> early versions of the emulator core used in OCMIPS could get pretty damn close to 100MHz

L2027[18:20:46] <GreaseMonkey> it's actually really fucking fast for what it is

L2028[18:20:53] <GreaseMonkey> and what it is is an object-oriented pile of shit

L2029[18:20:59] <Kasen> the JVM's pretty fast

L2030[18:21:02] <GreaseMonkey> although not as shit as people make it out to be, but still kinda shit

L2031[18:21:21] <Miyoyo> But yeah we'll roll with it

L2032[18:21:26] <GreaseMonkey> Kasen: it'd probably be better to just get people to code the damn things in an assembly monitor rom

L2033[18:21:46] <Kasen> sounds like something most people are not gonna do and go back to CC instead

L2034[18:21:49] <GreaseMonkey> although an idea is to let people upload their own code to the EEPROMs

L2035[18:22:03] <Miyoyo> Why not make a DCPU :D

L2036[18:22:09] <GreaseMonkey> because DCPU is shit

L2037[18:22:13] <GreaseMonkey> but nothing's stopping you from doing it

L2038[18:22:14] <Miyoyo> Yeah

L2039[18:22:16] <Miyoyo> but still

L2040[18:22:37] <Miyoyo> Well computercraft os pretty much depecated honestly

L2041[18:22:53] <Miyoyo> 4 months with no update or anything

L2042[18:22:56] <GreaseMonkey> put it this way, CC and OC both kinda turn MC into a different game

L2043[18:23:18] <GreaseMonkey> ...then again circuity also has that potential

L2044[18:23:34] <GreaseMonkey> but yeah, you have people basically using them to make password protected doors

L2045[18:23:35] <Miyoyo> Yeah but GM

L2046[18:23:50] <Kasen> put it this way - if i were to run a server with a computer mod, people would want lua, and i would not be comfortable running 3 layers of VMs

L2047[18:24:18] <GreaseMonkey> so in other words, OC should at least be kept maintained?

L2048[18:24:19] <Miyoyo> And making a true lua arch is pretty much impossible

L2049[18:24:36] <Miyoyo> Honestly just keep it updated but don't kill the project

L2050[18:24:44] <Miyoyo> As people fear change

L2051[18:24:51] <GreaseMonkey> making a true lua arch should be achievable but it would feel very different within the OS itself

L2052[18:24:55] <Miyoyo> and honestly CC->OC is possible

L2053[18:25:05] <GreaseMonkey> CC->OC has been done

L2054[18:25:09] <GreaseMonkey> i wrote the unzipper program

L2055[18:25:14] <GreaseMonkey> well, the unzipper code

L2056[18:25:16] <Miyoyo> I don't mean it in code way

L2057[18:25:23] <Miyoyo> I mean it in user "way"

L2058[18:25:34] <GreaseMonkey> oh as in we could steal all the CC users?

L2059[18:25:44] <Miyoyo> Coming from CC and going to OC is already a little hard

L2060[18:25:46] <Miyoyo> well

L2061[18:25:53] <Miyoyo> from a user perspective

L2062[18:25:57] <Miyoyo> A lot of thing changes

L2063[18:26:01] <Miyoyo> requires and libs

L2064[18:26:02] <Miyoyo> etc

L2065[18:26:07] <Miyoyo> but CC to circuity?

L2066[18:26:22] <GreaseMonkey> what's the diff between CC and TIS-3D?

L2067[18:26:27] <Miyoyo> If i'm Skiddie #46 and I want to learn to code

L2068[18:26:34] <Miyoyo> CC is good but dead

L2069[18:26:37] <MalkContent> dammit

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L2071[18:26:47] <Miyoyo> I want something updated, but OC is dead too

L2072[18:26:51] <Miyoyo> Circuity?

L2073[18:26:56] <Kasen> i know a few people who got into programming because of CC/OC - not sure any of them would have been the slightest bit interested in it if it wasn't for something as easy to pick up as lua

L2074[18:27:14] <Miyoyo> But Why bother do a VM in a VM in a VM

L2075[18:27:26] <GreaseMonkey> they honestly won't care if it's VMs all the way down

L2076[18:27:31] <Miyoyo> When someone could just do a light interface mod and distribute executables on the side

L2077[18:27:44] <Miyoyo> the perf will be massively better

L2078[18:27:50] <Kasen> GreaseMonkey, sure, /they/ won't

L2079[18:27:54] <Kasen> but i as a server owner will

L2080[18:27:56] <Miyoyo> and Servers will suffer less

L2081[18:27:56] <GreaseMonkey> "fast enough" is as fast as it needs to be

L2082[18:27:58] <GreaseMonkey> ah right

L2083[18:28:13] <MalkContent> now that i am busy making stuff look pretty

L2084[18:28:17] <GreaseMonkey> either way we can potentially get more consistent timeslicing

L2085[18:28:27] <MalkContent> i want to squish the computer case under a bibliocraft desk

L2086[18:28:32] <MalkContent> woe is me x)

L2087[18:28:47] <GreaseMonkey> if the mod ends up chewing too much CPU time, the bus controller can probably be slowed down

L2088[18:28:51] <Kasen> we're talking like at least a magnitude less efficient, and holy fuck, modded minecraft already uses far too much memory

L2089[18:29:12] <GreaseMonkey> oh yeah speaking of memory the RAM usage is more consistent to measure

L2090[18:29:34] <MalkContent> one day i'm gonna have time and i'm gonna make a pretty-addon for oc

L2091[18:29:41] <Miyoyo> Also what speed do you expect from your CPUs in the end?

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L2093[18:29:54] <GreaseMonkey> "fast enough"

L2094[18:29:58] <Miyoyo> ...

L2095[18:30:01] <GreaseMonkey> current CPU clock is 2MHz

L2096[18:30:13] <Miyoyo> 2Mhz?

L2097[18:30:25] <GreaseMonkey> never underestimate how fast that is in practice

L2098[18:30:52] <GreaseMonkey> i mean after all this is 1MHz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIUkBa_mA0

L2099[18:30:53] <MichiBot> Booze Design - Edge of Disgrace - C64 Demo (50 FPS) | length: 14m 43s | Likes: 57 Dislikes: 1 Views: 3919 | by RetroDemoScene

L2100[18:30:54] <Kasen> i'm just imaging my server's resource graphs

L2101[18:30:57] <Kasen> imagining*

L2102[18:31:24] <Kasen> also, very few users are as skilled as demo creators :P

L2103[18:31:31] <Miyoyo> I won't underestimate it, but my fucking calculator's CPU shreds that

L2104[18:31:57] <GreaseMonkey> what speed is your calc and what CPU?

L2105[18:32:18] <GreaseMonkey> if it's a 3MHz Z80 it's probably about the same speed as a 1MHz 6502 in practice

L2106[18:32:29] <alekso56> > it's a core i7

L2107[18:32:50] <Kasen> i have a bunch of microcontrollers on my desk that are 16 and 32MHz - not sure how much they actually do per clock cycle though

L2108[18:33:13] <Kasen> i certainly wouldn't want to run lua on them though

L2109[18:33:35] <GreaseMonkey> if they're AVR they're pretty much one instruction per clock unless you're accessing memory or branching or multiplying things

L2110[18:33:35] * CompanionCube wonders how performant a lua bytecode CPU wouldd bere in the environment

L2111[18:34:10] <Kasen> that's kinda what i'd want - one VM, not three

L2112[18:34:28] <GreaseMonkey> you're ultimately going to have at least two, the JVM and the Lua VM

L2113[18:34:36] <Kasen> (well personally i'd just compile C to whatever arch is available, but most people i know would want lua)

L2114[18:34:41] <Kasen> well, the Lua VM is in C

L2115[18:34:44] <Kasen> not in the JVM

L2116[18:34:53] <Miyoyo> Casio 35+, Renesas SH-3 or SH-4V

L2117[18:35:45] <GreaseMonkey> ah righty

L2118[18:35:58] <Miyoyo> SuperH Risc based arch

L2119[18:36:07] <GreaseMonkey> ah righty, SH is pretty fast afaik

L2120[18:36:22] <Miyoyo> base speed @30mhz

L2121[18:36:29] <Miyoyo> Max speed 270Mhz

L2122[18:36:32] <GreaseMonkey> yeah that'll definitely shred it

L2123[18:36:42] <Miyoyo> And it's my fkin calc

L2124[18:36:53] <GreaseMonkey> my calc is a ? MHz ? CPU

L2125[18:37:00] <GreaseMonkey> casio cfx9850gb+

L2126[18:37:12] <Miyoyo> CFXes use motorolas

L2127[18:37:14] <GreaseMonkey> if you code it in BASIC it's horribly slow

L2128[18:37:15] <CompanionCube> Miyoyo: is it representative of the average one though

L2129[18:37:16] <Miyoyo> custom designed

L2130[18:37:27] <GreaseMonkey> it's a completely custom design afaik

L2131[18:37:29]

<Kimiro> *kisses Miyoyo*

L2132[18:37:30] <Miyoyo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw9RH3JqWdk

L2133[18:37:31] <MichiBot> Casio Graph 35+ mViewer GX overclocking test | length: 3m 19s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 1 Views: 261 | by Critor TI

L2134[18:37:38] <Miyoyo> Ugh kimiro not in public

L2135[18:37:47]

<Kimiro> C:

L2136[18:38:03] <GreaseMonkey> ok that "50fps" render of edge of disgrace is fucking terrible

L2137[18:38:11] <Miyoyo> Ikr

L2138[18:38:12] <Miyoyo> Also

L2139[18:38:16] <Miyoyo> The CFX series

L2140[18:38:24] <Miyoyo> Scores .000027 Bogomips

L2141[18:39:05] <GreaseMonkey> there are effects in that which SHOULD be 50fps but aren't

L2142[18:39:07] <Miyoyo> It's 2Mhz

L2143[18:39:33] <Miyoyo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_6309

L2144[18:39:43] <Skye> 6309?

L2145[18:39:51] <Skye> Isn't that the 6809 clone?

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L2147[18:40:09] <Miyoyo> That's the closest to the Custom Designed CPU for the CFX series

L2148[18:40:14] <gamax92> I wonder if someone can make a non ModernUI version of the ImmersiveControlPanel

L2149[18:40:20] <Miyoyo> It's not a clone

L2150[18:40:26] <Miyoyo> but has emulation support

L2151[18:40:46] <Miyoyo> Used in tandy's color computer 3

L2152[18:40:58] <gamax92> Otherwise it's the only program that ruins the theming

L2153[18:41:05] <Skye> Miyoyo: two 6309 CPUs were used in the Epson HX-20 laptop

L2154[18:41:37] <Skye> One as a CPU and another as the controller.

L2155[18:41:47] <Miyoyo> Well GM's calc is about as fast as that

L2156[18:42:01] <Miyoyo> And It might rival the current perf of the VM

L2157[18:42:06] <Skye> HX-20 is slow.

L2158[18:42:15] <Miyoyo> (i was jokin pls dun kil me)

L2159[18:42:36] <Skye> Clock speed measured in kilohertz to save battery life.

L2160[18:42:56] <GreaseMonkey> ok this capture appears to be not-shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp3oEJemnz0

L2161[18:42:57] <MichiBot> Booze Design - Edge of Disgrace | C64 demo, Full HD 50 fps, Real SID | length: 14m 48s | Likes: 13 Dislikes: 0 Views: 1270 | by C64 studio

L2162[18:43:03] <Miyoyo> The top calc model, the CFX-9850G is 43Mhz

L2163[18:43:14] <Miyoyo> Yeah but demos

L2164[18:43:18] <Miyoyo> are fucking art

L2165[18:43:26] * Miyoyo proceeds to fap

L2166[18:44:56] <gamax92> Miyoyo: don't do that in here you'll make a mess of the channel

L2167[18:45:05] <Miyoyo> >:3

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L2170[18:53:12] <CompanionCube> gamax92: implying it wasn't already

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L2172[18:53:35] <gamax92> a bigger mess

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L2176[18:57:38] <CompanionCube> gamax92: also it's weird to have someone who paid to watch hentai object to that

L2177[18:58:01] <Miyoyo> watch hentai get drawn*

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L2183[19:08:53] <MalkContent> keyboards have to be placed <against> screens, right?

L2184[19:08:54] <gamax92> CompanionCube: Do you know what a commission is?

L2185[19:09:03] <MalkContent> no way to have it be <next to>?

L2186[19:09:56] <gamax92> CompanionCube: and also what part of I didn't pay for it did you not get?

L2187[19:10:47] <CompanionCube> ah

L2188[19:10:55] <gamax92> I stated that a friend paid for a commission and invited me to watch it get drawn

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<Kimiro> Jub jub.

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L2206[21:00:08] <TheFox> hello

L2207[21:00:20] <TheFox> %seen TheCryptek

L2208[21:00:22] <MichiBot> TheFox: TheCryptek was last seen 3h 30m 58s ago.

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L2213[21:16:29] <TheFox> %tell TheCryptek Security system is 99% up, i just need you on to finish it up

L2214[21:16:30] <MichiBot> TheFox: TheCryptek will be notified of this message when next seen.

L2215[21:17:15] <TheFox> ~w nanobots

L2216[21:17:16] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/api:robot

L2217[21:17:59] <TheFox> nope thats not what i mean

L2218[21:18:06] <TheFox> ~w nanomachine

L2219[21:18:06] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/item:nanomachines

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L2221[21:33:27] <GreaseMonkey> ok, did some maven servers go down or some shit like that because my build simply isn't working properly

L2222[21:35:58] <GreaseMonkey> ...it started working again

L2223[21:35:58] <TheFox> glad me looking at your question fixed it

L2224[21:36:54] <GreaseMonkey> OH YES. i now have the instruction cache working properly \:D/

L2225[21:36:54] <GreaseMonkey> next up, data cache!

L2226[21:36:54] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: gradlew build --offline

L2227[21:36:55] <gamax92> if you've done a build one then you've already obviously downloaded all the resources for it, and can use --offline to make it stop stupidly redownloading things

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L2233[21:47:04] <TheFox> GreaseMonkey: there isnt away to program your MIPS mod from Open computers is there?

L2234[21:47:27] <TheFox> sorry, is there a way*

L2235[21:48:18] <GreaseMonkey> the one i'm working on right now? no.

L2236[21:48:41] <GreaseMonkey> OCMIPS? well, i did manage to get lua working on it...

L2237[21:48:52] <GreaseMonkey> but it's stock lua, not the OC version

L2238[21:49:25] <Temia> Probably wouldn't be too hard to write a boot disk and BIOS for it.

L2239[21:50:01] <TheFox> ok, thats fine, i was just wondering if you came up with someting that aloud us to program assembler in oc or not, if you did, i would be swapping between the ARM and MIPS add-ons waaaaay to much

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L2241[21:57:21] <TheFox> erm, data.deflate is supposed to apply compression correct?

L2242[21:58:07] <TheFox> so why is the file larger...

L2243[21:58:27] <Temia> Algorithms aren't perfect.

L2244[22:00:19] <Temia> The dictionary for the compressed data adds an overhead, which for small or especially poorly-compressible data can lead to exceeding the uncompressed size.

L2245[22:01:06] <Temia> What was it you put in?

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L2249[22:12:10] <GreaseMonkey> well that's interesting, it seems that my dcache is broken right now

L2250[22:12:43] <GreaseMonkey> it's even decided that instead of saying "Hello World!" it's going to say "Hell"

L2251[22:12:43] <GreaseMonkey> it still managed to get through the whole program though

L2252[22:13:14] <GreaseMonkey> dCacheData[cdidx + 0] = (int)(d0); <-- that might be the problem, the dcache uses 64-bit data entries, not 32-bit ones

L2253[22:14:10] <GreaseMonkey> that's better, now the dcache works

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L2255[22:33:15] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: http://www.docjar.com/docs/api/sun/misc/Unsafe.html

L2256[22:38:35] <gamax92> GreaseMonkey: if you've ever wanted to do things like malloc, realloc, and free in Java, well lucky for you there's allocateMemory, reallocateMemory, and freeMemory

L2257[22:39:11] <GreaseMonkey> for the most part i just have int[] and long[] arrays so there's no real benefit to that

L2258[22:39:30] <gamax92> Yeah well you know what? :I

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