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L1[00:00:00] <TheFox> hello payonel

L2[00:00:07] <payonel> hello mr fox

L3[00:00:08] <ocdoc> DB Update Detected, reloading ..

L4[00:00:08] <ocdoc> Everything's cool

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L7[00:00:20] <payonel> ~w internet

L8[00:00:20] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:internet

L9[00:00:31] <TheFox> wait wait wait payonel are you saying that people need a wiki to type install and press a number on the keyboard?

L10[00:00:46] <payonel> well they dont even need to press a number

L11[00:00:51] <payonel> in most scenarios

L12[00:01:02] <gamax92> I think he meant more that it's been changed, but not really documented anywhere

L13[00:01:02] <TheFox> if they have more then 1 HDD?

L14[00:01:08] <payonel> then they do

L15[00:01:26] <payonel> TheFox: right, what gamax92 said. i haven't documented the new installer at all

L16[00:01:32] <TheFox> oh

L17[00:01:58] <TheFox> that makes more since

L18[00:06:15] <payonel> is the internet disk not craftable?

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L20[00:07:15] <payonel> i thought we were going to have a "internet card + floppy" => "internet floppy + internet card"

L21[00:08:04] <gamax92> well you'd probably do what the bucket does, leave an item in the crafting table

L22[00:08:16] <gamax92> being the card used to craft

L23[00:08:19] <payonel> that's what i think we should do

L24[00:08:29] <payonel> so right now, there is no way to craft the software disks?

L25[00:08:43] <payonel> we need to fix this

L26[00:09:03] <gamax92> Mimiru said something about a wrench?

L27[00:09:10] <payonel> oh right, i'll test that

L28[00:09:32] <payonel> scrench? :)

L29[00:11:09] <payonel> ok nothing happens - perhaps it was an idea to do it that way

L30[00:11:34] <payonel> i think it makes sense to have the "bucket" behavior with the component

L31[00:12:24] <payonel> this took me many days: http://ocdoc.cil.li/api:buffer

L32[00:12:28] <gamax92> payonel: yeah I have no idea

L33[00:12:29] <payonel> i did something \o/

L34[00:12:53] <gamax92> "# Whether to allow loot disk cycling by crafting them with a wrench."

L35[00:13:00] <gamax92> "lootRecrafting: true"

L36[00:13:10] <payonel> oh, ok

L37[00:14:28] <gamax92> which is not a very good way to get to the software ...

L38[00:14:34] <payonel> no

L39[00:14:38] <payonel> but, it's a work around for beta

L40[00:15:54] <payonel> unicode.char(65313) through unicode.char(65338) is a double wide alphabet

L41[00:15:56] <payonel> :)

L42[00:16:17] <gamax92> yes

L43[00:16:17] <payonel> well, that's the uppercase, there's more

L44[00:16:29] <payonel> so fun :)

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L49[00:51:11] <TheFox> anyone still alive here?

L50[00:52:35] <TheFox> can the OC GPU display RGBA or just RGB

L51[00:53:23] <Temia> RGB only.

L52[00:54:07] <TheFox> ok

L53[00:54:11] <TheFox> thanks Temia

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L56[01:02:30] <TheFox_> TheCryptek: Sorry about that my client broke

L57[01:04:40] <TheFox_> TheCryptek: are you there?

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L62[01:09:11] <TheFox> %tell TheCryptek|Away ok, sorry i wasn't able to help you any with your code these past few days, however i did figure out a way we could read the password and username from the files for the server code

L63[01:09:12] <MichiBot> TheFox: TheCryptek|Away will be notified of this message when next seen.

L64[01:09:37] <TheFox> i wonder if that will work

L65[01:09:42] <TheFox> well see

L66[01:10:25] <TheCryptek|Away> TheFox im not away yet lol

L67[01:11:07] <TheFox> oh

L68[01:11:23] <TheFox> well, lets pretend you where for that part

L69[01:11:34] <TheCryptek|Away> TheFox: yea was grouping the nick before i went to bed lol

L70[01:12:18] <TheFox> ok

L71[01:12:28] <TheCryptek|Away> TTYL

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L89[02:36:50] <asie> oh, by the way

L90[02:36:55] <asie> since i'm packing

L91[02:36:57] <asie> we've also released a thing

L92[02:37:00] <asie> https://github.com/ChenThread/ice2

L93[02:37:02] <asie> here's the thing

L94[02:37:04] <asie> bai

L95[02:37:08] <Forecaster> packing?

L96[02:37:11] <asie> yeah

L97[02:37:16] * asie hops off the minecraft minecart

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L99[02:37:33] <Forecaster> (again)

L100[02:37:38] <asie> (strike #6)

L101[02:46:24] <Sangar> I CAN HAZ INTERWEBS AGAIN

L102[02:47:59] <Sangar> Vexatos, because you wanted it that way >_> (to get sided info to mountables based on how the rack is rotated e.g.)

L103[02:48:17] <Vexatos> Sangar, yes, in onActivate :P

L104[02:48:20] <Sangar> waitwhat. asie. wat. what about btm D:

L105[02:48:58] <Vexatos> asie, just remember that you're tied to it by a steel rope, you can't go too far :P

L106[02:49:15] <Sangar> too lazy to dig the logs, think that was part of the discussion too :P

L107[02:49:45] <Vexatos> Sangar, well toGlobal exists

L108[02:49:53] <Sangar> it does

L109[02:50:11] <Vexatos> Sangar, http://git.io/vo2Xk

L110[02:50:14] <Vexatos> ;)

L111[02:50:29] <asie> Sangar: it's been given to unascribed

L112[02:50:30] <asie> and BBoldt

L113[02:50:32] <Sangar> ah

L114[02:50:34] <asie> so it's fine

L115[02:50:35] <Vexatos> In particular http://git.io/voaE1

L116[02:50:37] <asie> it's going to happen on schedule

L117[02:50:43] <asie> Sangar: however, we have released ice2 early

L118[02:50:45] <asie> and it's amazing, though no docs

L119[02:50:47] <Sangar> asie, but but... it's not the same if you're not yelling at people :/

L120[02:51:03] <Sangar> ah

L121[02:51:23] <asie> Sangar: it'll be different

L122[02:51:26] <asie> but it will be flamingo

L123[02:51:27] <asie> i made sure of that

L124[02:51:41] <Sangar> i guess that's something at least

L125[02:51:49] <Tazz> anyone wanna see something stupidly hackish?

L126[02:51:57] <asie> Sangar: so, uh

L127[02:52:05] <asie> ice2 is ice1 with three major improvements:

L128[02:52:08] <Vexatos> Tazz, I wrote Selene and translated code from Scala to java and vice-versa. I have seen enough :P

L129[02:52:23] <asie> - it uses SSE magic (not sure which version, correct me here GreaseMonkey)

L130[02:52:28] <asie> - motion detection

L131[02:52:30] <GreaseMonkey> SSE2 probably

L132[02:52:36] <asie> - much faster converging

L133[02:52:38] <GreaseMonkey> maybe SSSE3 but yeah

L134[02:52:41] <Sangar> awesome

L135[02:52:42] <asie> in other words, it's ice1, only watchable

L136[02:52:45] <asie> and with motion detection!

L137[02:52:48] <GreaseMonkey> - notably less shit than ice 1 while being faster

L138[02:52:51] <asie> and with GBA and Raspberry Pi support

L139[02:52:51] <Tazz> Vexatos, how about comparing strings using a wrapped calls to strcmp in assembly

L140[02:52:52] <GreaseMonkey> is all you needed to say

L141[02:53:15] <asie> yeah

L142[02:53:45] <GreaseMonkey> i think the most hackish thing i have ever done is implemented closures in C by dynamically compiling x86 code to produce the right stack

L143[02:54:06] <Tazz> https://gist.github.com/s0cks/0fa924d1ccc4728a07940e32327b8886 trying to devise a way to lookup members of a class at runtime so I can spare some compilation time

L144[02:54:24] <asie> C++

L145[02:54:27] <Sangar> i'll try to mess around with ice2 next weekend :) sounds great

L146[02:54:36] <Tazz> asie, it is C++ yes

L147[02:54:38] <asie> i also recommend someone make a wrapper for it, for Forecaster

L148[02:54:42] <asie> as this one can be used for an intro

L149[02:55:27] <Sangar> some standalone java tool like the one for dfpwm (sp.?) would be great :P

L150[02:55:31] <Tazz> it works too but its stupidly hackish haha, cmpq'ing the result of the wrapped function to 1 to make sure it jmp's properly

L151[02:55:34] <asie> the encoder is in C, though

L152[02:55:41] <Sangar> ah, right

L153[02:55:43] <Sangar> welp

L154[02:55:46] <Sangar> frontend then :X

L155[02:56:38] <Tazz> also hey asie

L156[02:56:50] <Tazz> and Sangar*

L157[02:57:40] <Forecaster> wrapper?

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L159[03:02:51] <Sangar> eyo

L160[03:03:34] <Tazz> I finally got static calls working in Eschelle :D

L161[03:03:46] <Tazz> Im on my way to getting instance calls working too :D

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L164[03:34:03] <Saphire> what's Eschelle?

L165[03:36:28] <Forecaster> sounds like shampoo

L166[03:36:39] <Forecaster> "Because you deserve it"

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L173[04:00:54] <Inari> https://i.reddituploads.com/3e866cc43f05457f884207217bc253d9?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=b92e5d66193e4e72bdcc9156f71a0a59 linderps

L174[04:02:04] <Forecaster> are those negative transfer rates? :P

L175[04:02:08] <Inari> ya

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L177[04:02:47] <Forecaster> ohmy

L178[04:03:19] <Inari> or at least it looks like negative transfer rates :P no clue whats actaully happening

L179[04:03:58] <Inari> https://www.reddit.com/r/softwaregore/comments/4oo6io/when_your_internet_is_that_slow_downloads_go_in/d4elsr6 someome took a guess it apepars

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L182[04:05:32] <Inari> https://i.reddituploads.com/04f0ff1015d647609c2473ac1a52d0af?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=7c03d465effe8e5adf651fda775baded

L183[04:06:32] <Forecaster> second url too long

L184[04:07:36] <Inari> blame reddit

L185[04:07:36] <Inari> :D

L186[04:07:44] <Jacky> Well, how can I use computers to detect status from Buildcraft tanks and engines?

L187[04:08:04] <Inari> try adapters

L188[04:08:15] <Inari> or maybe adapter or robot with tank upgrade

L189[04:08:26] <Jacky> is there any docs?

L190[04:08:32] <Inari> doubt it

L191[04:08:44] <Forecaster> yes, in OC :P

L192[04:08:48] <Inari> just look if an adapter gives you acomponent

L193[04:08:50] <Inari> and check its functions

L194[04:08:57] <Forecaster> ^

L195[04:08:59] <Jacky> thanks

L196[04:09:21] <Inari> gonna check on that too actaully, curious now :P

L197[04:14:02] <Inari> Jacky: seems the standard interface for bc is just energy stores, max energy storage and checking if its a receiver or provider of energy

L198[04:14:40] <Forecaster> if you want the fluid levels you'll want a tank controller

L199[04:14:44] <Inari> yeah

L200[04:14:53] <Inari> tankc ontroller in adapter can read the fluid and level

L201[04:14:58] <Forecaster> yes

L202[04:14:59] <Antheus> ur mum

L203[04:15:07] <Forecaster> no u

L204[04:15:19] <Antheus> no u

L205[04:15:27] <Forecaster> D:

L206[04:15:33] <Antheus> I"M SORRY

L207[04:16:20] <Forecaster> NO IM SORRY

L208[04:16:56] <Antheus> kk

L209[04:18:02] <Inari> oh nice

L210[04:18:12] <Inari> BC quarries actualyl take appropriate breaking times for blocks nowadays

L211[04:18:50] <Antheus> cool

L212[04:19:03] <Forecaster> it's been doing that for quite a while now :P

L213[04:19:21] <Forecaster> it also calculates power use based on that

L214[04:19:25] <Jacky> Inari: ok. thanks. and, How can I use the "standard interface for BC"? I'm not familiar with oc.

L215[04:19:48] <Antheus> back in my day, you just chugged a quarry down and walked a way

L216[04:19:53] <Inari> adapter next to a BC block :p then query teh components... type "components" in openOs to see alist of components

L217[04:20:11] <Inari> you can relatively easily check function by going into lua and typing =component.name so like.. =component.tankblock

L218[04:20:13] <Inari> for the tank

L219[04:20:53] <Forecaster> Antheus: that's still pretty much true :P

L220[04:21:07] <Jacky> what is the "=" used for?

L221[04:21:16] <Inari> just to make it output

L222[04:21:19] <Antheus> to output what a function returns

L223[04:21:21] <Forecaster> shorthand for print() basically

L224[04:21:31] <Forecaster> (but not really)

L225[04:21:37] <Antheus> shtup

L226[04:22:09] <Forecaster> since it's smarter than print

L227[04:22:38] <Jacky> but what is the type of that "component.tankblock"?

L228[04:23:00] <Forecaster> what do you mean type?

L229[04:23:58] <Jacky> a table or a function or so on

L230[04:24:10] <Forecaster> it's a component

L231[04:24:13] <Forecaster> an object

L232[04:24:16] <Jacky> ok

L233[04:24:20] <Jacky> thanks

L234[04:25:19] <Antheus> So, my dad normally wakes up by now

L235[04:25:30] <Antheus> and he hasnt, so I went to check if he set his alarm on his phone

L236[04:25:47] <Antheus> He hit the snooze button .-.

L237[04:26:04] <Jacky> but how can I know what function this object contains?

L238[04:26:19] <Forecaster> by doing what Inari said

L239[04:29:00] * vifino groans and snuggles Lizzy

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L243[04:32:28] <asie> Forecaster: quite a while = BC 6.3+ (or 6.2+?)

L244[04:32:54] <Forecaster> I dunno, time wise it's been quite a while :P

L245[04:34:28] * vifino stabs Antheus over and over

L246[04:34:31] <asie> 1.5 years yes

L247[04:34:35] <asie> time flies D:

L248[04:37:56] <Antheus> I keep forgeting you were involved with buildcraft

L249[04:38:06] <Antheus> I haven't used buildcraft in years .-.

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L252[04:46:50] <Inari> do combustion engines still blow up?

L253[04:48:55] <Skye> Inari, don't think so

L254[04:49:02] <Inari> boo

L255[04:49:05] <Forecaster> no

L256[04:49:06] <Skye> they seize up and you need to hit them with a wrench

L257[04:49:14] <Forecaster> yep

L258[04:49:18] <Forecaster> same as railcraft engines

L259[04:49:25] <Inari> #MakingEnginesMoreBoringSince2014

L260[04:49:39] <Skye> #BLAMEasie

L261[04:50:16] <Forecaster> real engines don't blow up from not being cooled :P

L262[04:50:23] <Forecaster> they just jam

L263[04:50:33] <Inari> they would likely break, depending on the engine :P

L264[04:50:34] <Antheus> I also jam

L265[04:50:36] <Antheus> to jam

L266[04:50:38] <Jacky> i use bc for 164

L267[04:50:39] <Antheus> like smuckers jam

L268[04:50:43] <Antheus> grape jam

L269[04:50:50] <Antheus> strawberry jam

L270[04:50:53] <Inari> 1.6.4 xD

L271[04:50:57] <Inari> thats like

L272[04:50:59] <Inari> bneyond ancient

L273[04:51:07] <Antheus> that's like, 1.2.5 ancient

L274[04:51:08] <Inari> at least its not 1.4.7 i guess

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L276[04:52:04] <Inari> Forecaster: well it gave a gameplay point t making sure your engines are cooled and potentially placing them not next to your item chests

L277[04:52:07] <Antheus> #NeverForgetRP2

L278[04:52:11] <Inari> i like gameplay points

L279[04:52:32] <Forecaster> there's still a gameplay point, keeping your engines running smoothly :P

L280[04:52:38] <Inari> sure

L281[04:52:47] <Inari> but if tehy break it takes 0 effort to unbreak them

L282[04:52:59] <Inari> proabbly takes more effort to cool them thatn to unbreak them every now and then

L283[04:53:00] <Forecaster> depends how many engines you have :P

L284[04:53:11] <Inari> 20 clicks instead of 1

L285[04:53:12] <Inari> \o/

L286[04:53:31] <Inari> Forecaster: and you can just have them in your base too :D

L287[04:53:34] <Inari> since lcoationd oesnt matter

L288[04:53:41] <Forecaster> uh uh

L289[04:53:51] <Forecaster> you know it was a tiny explosion right?

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L291[04:54:00] <Inari> "tiny"

L292[04:54:00] <Forecaster> it basically just destroyed the engines and the blocks next to it

L293[04:54:10] <Forecaster> as far as I remmber

L294[04:57:10] <Forecaster> engine*

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L296[05:16:18] <Inari> well, not huge

L297[05:16:20] <Inari> but big enough :P

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L299[05:16:46] <Inari> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/ShareX/2016/06/2016-06-19_12-10-02_ySLfzc.png

L300[05:16:53] <Inari> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/ShareX/2016/06/2016-06-19_12-16-20_88aK1v.jpg

L301[05:18:50] <Antheus> https://longasslinkthatnoonewillclick.com/random/characters/here/fsafjadfadfasdfafdasdfadfasd.fileformat

L302[05:19:16] <Inari> i dont see how longness relates to if osmeone wil lclick it

L303[05:19:17] <Inari> but sure

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L305[05:21:26] <Antheus> Inari, there's a cow in the quarry hole

L306[05:21:49] <Forecaster> lewd

L307[05:21:53] <Antheus> rewd

L308[05:21:58] <Inari> i know

L309[05:22:00] <Inari> i fisted it in

L310[05:22:09] <Antheus> 0_0

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L312[05:22:43] <Inari> my sister has been sticking up her hand into cows in RL :<

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L315[05:23:15] <Antheus> I've seen it done

L316[05:23:30] <Antheus> I've also seen a herd of cows that got out walking up my street

L317[05:23:41] <Antheus> two people on segways rolling down my street

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L320[05:24:26] <Antheus> and some deer

L321[05:24:29] <Antheus> in my front lawn

L322[05:25:45] <Inari> there she was

L323[05:25:49] <Inari> justa rollin down the street

L324[05:29:21] * Forecaster imagines a cow rolling down a street

L325[05:30:56] <g> singin' doo wah diddy diddy dum, diddy doo..

L326[05:31:12] <g> :v

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L328[05:44:25] <Inari> g: :f

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L334[06:10:42] <Inari> hm this only just occured to me, but in the world of chobits theres likely people who have a persocom fetish (as in, put on fake persocom ears and act like a persocom during lewd times :P or ones that like that kinda thing then)

L335[06:11:47] <Forecaster> obviously :P

L336[06:11:52] <Izaya> rule 34?

L337[06:12:57] <Inari> Izaya: i guess :P but just never occured to me before. i mean it was clear that there would be people into persocom lewd stuff, just not the extra step of people dressing up as them :P

L338[06:13:02] <Inari> Antheus: also, you lied http://akari.in/pinky_rnPai

L339[06:14:06] <Izaya> Unrelated but BunsenLabs is pretty nice

L340[06:14:43] <Inari> https://highnoonbutton.com/

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L345[06:29:58] <Dustpuppy> when ever i serialize a big tabel, i get "too long without yielding" :-(

L346[06:30:12] <Inari> haha

L347[06:30:21] <Inari> well, write your own serialization routine ^^

L348[06:32:19] <Dustpuppy> o_O

L349[06:33:00] <Inari> ?

L350[06:34:56] <Forecaster> I'm gonna make my own serializer, with blackjack, and hookers!

L351[06:35:19] <Inari> Dustpuppy: or modify the standard lib code

L352[06:35:19] <Inari> :D

L353[06:35:20] <Skye> lewd

L354[06:35:30] <Skye> Dustpuppy, BUG REPORT~

L355[06:36:12] <Inari> its not exactly a bug

L356[06:36:34] <Forecaster> more of a "your object is too big!"

L357[06:36:47] <Inari> thats what she said

L358[06:36:54] <Forecaster> lewd

L359[06:37:12] <Syrren> making the default serialiser yield would do Bad Things to programs expecting atomic operations

L360[06:37:15] <Inari> Inari - making channels lewd since sometime

L361[06:37:38] <Inari> Syrren: hm would it?

L362[06:37:46] <Inari> i mean it yields the whole coroutine, along with the calling function

L363[06:37:55] <Syrren> okay, so tl;dr

L364[06:38:14] <Syrren> normal multithreading = special effort to NOT yield, lots of headaches, but good performance

L365[06:38:22] <Skye> Syrren, wellll

L366[06:38:39] <Skye> why not an option to the serialize funcrtion?

L367[06:38:40] <Inari> but theres no multithreading :D

L368[06:38:44] <Syrren> cooperative multithreading (like CC and OC) = special effort TO YIELD, less headaches so long as library functions don't do Weird Shit like, say, unexpectedly yielding out from under you

L369[06:38:45] <Skye> *function

L370[06:38:55] <Skye> Syrren, actually

L371[06:39:00] <Inari> Syrren: but they yield straight to amchine

L372[06:39:04] <Syrren> *sigh*

L373[06:39:04] <Inari> Syrren: it doesnt matter for the calling function

L374[06:39:14] <Skye> in OC, some library functions normally yield

L375[06:39:17] <Syrren> if you have coroutines A and B, and the machine (M)

L376[06:39:17] <Inari> Syrren: so

L377[06:39:25] <Syrren> A and B are both working with the same data structure x

L378[06:39:29] <Syrren> M dgaf

L379[06:39:34] <Syrren> currently A is operating

L380[06:39:39] <Syrren> A: serialize(x)

L381[06:39:41] <Inari> again, yield to machine

L382[06:39:42] <Syrren> serializer yields to M

L383[06:39:45] <Syrren> M does shit

L384[06:39:47] <Syrren> M yields to B

L385[06:39:48] <Inari> not to routine management

L386[06:39:54] <Syrren> B: x.foo = "bar"

L387[06:39:56] <Inari> uhhhh

L388[06:39:59] <Syrren> B: yields to A

L389[06:40:03] <Inari> machine doesnt do anything

L390[06:40:05] <Inari> and cant yield to B

L391[06:40:05] <Syrren> A: WTF?! foo should have been "baz"!

L392[06:40:27] <Inari> i think you meant resumes :f

L393[06:40:39] <Syrren> okay, resumes, which has the same end result

L394[06:40:39] <Inari> and again

L395[06:40:42] <Inari> B yields to Machine

L396[06:40:45] <Inari> Machien doesnt do anything

L397[06:40:47] <Inari> Machien resumes B

L398[06:41:07] <Syrren> so there's no case in which machine resumes a different coroutine?

L399[06:41:16] <Inari> theres only one courotine for machine

L400[06:41:20] <Syrren> or, say, a machine event results in modifications to data structures A or B care about

L401[06:41:21] <Inari> the one it made to start the PC

L402[06:41:30] <Inari> machine events dont modify things

L403[06:41:37] <Syrren> so OC progs can't create more coroutines?

L404[06:41:41] <Inari> they can

L405[06:41:48] <Inari> but that just a created coroutine

L406[06:41:57] <Skye> thing is

L407[06:42:00] <Syrren> right... so when does that created coroutine get run? when a yield happens

L408[06:42:02] <Skye> other OC functions yeild all the time

L409[06:42:07] <Inari> machine is the uh... top coroutine, that creates another coroutine to run the bios

L410[06:42:08] <Syrren> unless I'm mistaken, you can't "yield to a given thing"

L411[06:42:10] <Syrren> you just yield

L412[06:42:12] <Inari> the bios does whatever

L413[06:42:12] <bauen1> Syrren: you have to manually resume them

L414[06:42:17] <Skye> other OC functions yeild all the time

L415[06:42:19] <Inari> but machien only sees that coroutine it crated

L416[06:42:22] <Inari> *created

L417[06:42:27] <Syrren> Skye: yes, and that's OK if they're expected to yield, unlike the serializer

L418[06:42:33] <Syrren> bauen1: ah, ok, so there's no scheduler

L419[06:42:40] <Inari> you can yield straight to machien as far as im aware

L420[06:42:43] <Syrren> my point is (somewhat) moot, then, in the default config

L421[06:42:48] <bauen1> Syrren: there is one coroutine per machine that is being run

L422[06:42:55] <Inari> using computer.pullSignal

L423[06:43:02] <bauen1> you have to resume all other coroutines manually

L424[06:43:22] <Syrren> *digs into source code*

L425[06:43:35] <Inari> if you were using a parallelization api to run ]A and B, thgen yes, if you yielded with coroutine.yield() B would resume before A goes again

L426[06:43:54] <Inari> at leaast thats from what i know

L427[06:43:55] <Inari> :P

L428[06:43:57] <Inari> migth be wrong

L429[06:44:06] <Syrren> right, and thus you get the sequence of events

L430[06:44:13] <Syrren> 1) parallelization api (A,B)

L431[06:44:18] <Inari> that why calling computer.pullSignal can break stuff

L432[06:44:24] <Inari> cause you eat the event and shell never sees it :f

L433[06:44:27] <Syrren> 2) A: x = {foo: "bar"}

L434[06:44:35] <Syrren> 3) A: serialise(x)

L435[06:44:44] <Syrren> 4) [A]serialise: yields

L436[06:44:48] <Syrren> 5) Machine: ...

L437[06:45:02] <Syrren> 6) B resumed (because parellization)

L438[06:45:08] <Syrren> 7) B: x.foo = "boom"

L439[06:45:09] <Inari> well no

L440[06:45:14] <Syrren> 8) [A]serialise: done

L441[06:45:16] <Syrren> 9) A: WTF?!

L442[06:45:17] <Inari> uusally parallelization, if yielded to it

L443[06:45:19] <Inari> would resume B

L444[06:45:24] <Inari> before it yields to machine

L445[06:45:35] <Syrren> so it's A,B,machine,A,B,machine... ?

L446[06:45:36] <Inari> At least thats what CC's did

L447[06:45:42] <Inari> not sure if OC yields to machien first

L448[06:46:16] <Syrren> doesn't matter -- if a function is not documented to yield, like the serialiser -- it shouldn't yield, because it will Break Things Horribly in a parallel context

L449[06:46:28] <Syrren> no amount of lewd will save you from that and the resultant irate advanced users

L450[06:46:33] <Inari> lol

L451[06:46:52] <Inari> im actually curouos now though

L452[06:46:56] * Inari goe sto test

L453[06:47:09] * Syrren can't actually run Minecraft on this laptop, would be testing too

L454[06:47:12] <Syrren> (FOR SCIENCE!)

L455[06:47:36] * Syrren returns to writing paper about routing protocols for ad-hoc networks

L456[06:47:49] <Dustpuppy> nothing is working today. why didn't i stay in bed?

L457[06:48:10] <Forecaster> Bed is not responding

L458[06:49:05] <Syrren> Bed went too long without yielding

L459[06:49:27] <Izaya> killall -9 bed

L460[06:50:29] <Forecaster> Bed has quit unexpectedly and will need to restore bedsheets

L461[06:50:36] <Forecaster> from a backup

L462[06:50:52] <Dustpuppy> forestry has a nice analyzer. but connecting it to a computer makes no sence, because the bee is too fast out of the slot, where you can read the data.

L463[06:52:18] * Lizzy groans

L464[06:53:12] * Izaya laughs uncontrollably

L465[06:53:53] <Izaya> someone's a dumbas

L466[06:53:54] <Izaya> s

L467[06:54:02] <Syrren> ?

L468[06:54:15] <Izaya> so I got this pizza for free off a friend that works at Dominos

L469[06:54:30] <Izaya> apparently the customer refused to pay for it

L470[06:54:37] <Izaya> figured out why

L471[06:54:41] <Izaya> they ordered a gluten free base

L472[06:54:53] <Izaya> but someone was a dumbass and didn't realize that the topping wasn't gluten free

L473[06:54:53] <Lizzy> Lol

L474[06:55:00] <Izaya> as always the customer is wrong

L475[06:55:16] <Syrren> pfft

L476[06:55:57] <Inari> ~oc gpu

L477[06:55:57] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:gpu

L478[07:02:23] <Inari> ~oc filesystem

L479[07:02:23] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem

L480[07:07:46] * vifino snuggles Lizzy now that she is finally awake

L481[07:08:08] * Lizzy coos

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L486[07:15:25] <Inari> Syrren: yep, nomral coroutine.yield will yield to the coroutine that resumed it. using pullsignal will go to machine and resume the co that called pullSignal

L487[07:15:35] <Inari> im not too sure as to why thouhg :P

L488[07:15:51] <Syrren> heh.

L489[07:16:09] <Syrren> okay, so it's safe to pullsignal inside serializer -- so long as the events are not consumed.

L490[07:16:18] <Inari> wel

L491[07:16:21] <Inari> they are consumed :D

L492[07:16:29] <Inari> hmmm

L493[07:16:34] <Syrren> isn't there an unpullsignal or something?

L494[07:16:34] <Syrren> or peeksignal

L495[07:16:38] <Inari> i'd like to understand why this happens though :s

L496[07:16:56] <Syrren> peekbelowthesignal -- lewd?

L497[07:16:58] <Inari> what special about doing coroutine.yield(nil)?

L498[07:17:01] <Inari> haha

L499[07:17:06] <Syrren> maybe nil = "the machine"?

L500[07:17:22] <Inari> sure, but the lua docs dont say anythign on putting a nil as first arg

L501[07:17:49] <Syrren> it'd be an OC special case rather than a Lua special case

L502[07:17:56] <Inari> but its lua

L503[07:18:58] <Inari> pullSignal is in machine.lua, and calls coroutine.yield (the lua one)

L504[07:19:45] <Inari> if i'd say "it makes sense it yields straight to native, because its called in macine.lua" then the sandbox coroutine.yield makes no sense though

L505[07:19:53] <Inari> as that just does coroutine.yield(nil, ...)

L506[07:20:01] <Syrren> huh.

L507[07:20:39] <Inari> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/lua/machine.lua#L800

L508[07:20:48] <Inari> and https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/lua/machine.lua#L1323

L509[07:21:11] <Syrren> I believe you, I'm just surprised

L510[07:21:17] <Inari> https://gist.github.com/Inari-Whitebear/cabdbf52486b50ff16d81dfd18cddef8 also my testcode and results

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L512[07:21:57] <Inari> Syrren: was just hoping you might be able to explain if i hand you the codepieces

L513[07:21:58] <Inari> xD

L514[07:22:11] <Syrren> hah. I haven't done Lua stuff in months

L515[07:22:20] <Syrren> too snowed under with uni

L516[07:22:54] <Inari> made it a bios test, as to not have openos stuff do somethign weird

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L518[07:28:03] <Inari> i worded it wrong, but in both cases i'd expect it to either yield to the CO that resumed it, or to the machine.lua co

L519[07:28:14] <Inari> but it seems in one case it yields to the co that resume dit and in the other to machine.lua co

L520[07:28:15] <Inari> *shrugs*

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L537[08:32:05] <Syrren> Inari: I think it might be implicitly casting nil to 0, in the yield call

L538[08:32:22] <Inari> that still doesnt answer what that would do though

L539[08:32:37] <Syrren> wouldn't 0 = the first corouting = bios/machine?

L540[08:32:42] <Syrren> coroutine*

L541[08:32:52] <Inari> coroutine.yield just ays the arguments are passed back to resume

L542[08:32:55] <Inari> doesnt mention any such mechanic

L543[08:33:15] <Inari> plus its in the one that doesnt go back to machine :p

L544[08:33:34] <Syrren> okay, so the place to look is the yield *before* that -- because resume args get returned from yield

L545[08:33:52] <Inari> ?

L546[08:34:03] <Syrren> A: yields

L547[08:34:09] <Syrren> B: resumed

L548[08:34:16] <Syrren> B: resume(A, xyzzy)

L549[08:34:24] <Syrren> A: gets xyzzy from yield()

L550[08:34:28] <Syrren> iirc

L551[08:34:44] <Inari> i suppose? still doesnt answer why it would yield to machien vs the other c

L552[08:34:46] <Inari> *co

L553[08:34:52] <Syrren> I'm thinking of something like

L554[08:35:05] <Syrren> OC/bios: resume(main, nil) -- here, nil = no events

L555[08:35:12] <Syrren> main: do things

L556[08:35:19] <Syrren> main: yield(2)

L557[08:35:32] <Syrren> OC/bios: gets "2" returned from resume

L558[08:35:34] <Syrren> OC/bios: does things

L559[08:35:39] <Syrren> OC/bios: resume(2, nil)

L560[08:35:41] <Syrren> EOF

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L562[08:36:21] <Inari> well i dunno what you're trying to say, but you gave me na idea that seems good :P

L563[08:36:23] <Syrren> this is pure speculation, not based on reading of code

L564[08:36:44] <Inari> machine also overwrites coroutine.resume

L565[08:36:47] <Syrren> tl;dr: I'm thinking that OC's java bits (or the bios) are acting as a scheduler

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L567[08:37:26] <Syrren> when user code yields with a coroutine number, it actually yields to OC/bios, and that then resumes the actual coroutine, etc.

L568[08:37:47] <Inari> nah, then yield would have to do something else than just call coruotine.yield again wiht a nil rpefixed

L569[08:38:21] <Syrren> not necessarily, if the special sauce is around the OC/bios resume rather than the bios/user yield

L570[08:43:40] <Inari> well

L571[08:43:48] <Inari> it seems to do something like that yeah, now it makes sense :P

L572[08:43:56] <Inari> but i wouldnt really call it a scheduler

L573[08:43:58] <Syrren> :P

L574[08:44:34] <Inari> A: call coroutine.resume(b, "blah")

L575[08:44:57] <Inari> bios[sandbox.coroutine.resume]: resumes b with the given args

L576[08:45:06] <Syrren> maybe a better term would be "trampoline"

L577[08:45:12] <Inari> B: does crap and yields

L578[08:45:19] <Syrren> (although that's digging into compiler design terminology somewhat)

L579[08:45:24] <Inari> bios[sandbox.coroutine.yield]: yields, injecting a nil as first arg

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L581[08:45:59] <Inari> bios[sandbox.courotine.resume]: is resumed, checks if the frist arg is a yield (sandbox.courotine.yield yielded) and since it did, returns

L582[08:46:11] <Inari> A: gets the args back from (sandbox.)coroutine.resume

L583[08:46:27] <Syrren> s/frist/first/ s/is a yield/is a nil/ ?

L584[08:46:28] <MichiBot> Syrren: Invalid regex extra non-whitespace characters found after substitute command in sed script: s/frist/first/ s/is a yield/is a nil/ ?/

L585[08:46:30] <Inari> computer.pullSignal just yields straight without injecting a nil, in that case sandbox.courotine.resume just yields too

L586[08:47:27] <Inari> so if A reumses B and B calls pullSignal, A's sandbnox.couroutine.resume is resumed, but sees the nil and just yields to bios

L587[08:47:34] <Syrren> s/reumes/resumes/

L588[08:47:35] <Inari> then on being resumed from its yield, resumes B

L589[08:47:48] <Inari> the usercode in A that called sandbox.coroutine.resume never sees that

L590[08:47:51] <Syrren> (...I failed at spelling the misspelled word. lol)

L591[08:48:13] <Inari> my typos must really bug oyu :D

L592[08:48:27] <Inari> anyway, this was interesting to find out

L593[08:48:33] <Syrren> I'm a bit OCD when it comes to spelling/grammar, yeah

L594[08:48:43] <Inari> poor you

L595[08:48:56] <Syrren> worse is when I get OCD about style in my own text

L596[08:48:58] <Inari> im good at making typos :D

L597[08:49:07] <Syrren> write a few paragraphs, re-read, "NOT GOOD ENOUGH *delete*"

L598[08:49:11] <Inari> once i somehow put the s on the previous words, i still dunno how

L599[08:49:23] <Inari> like "ands kill her" instead of "and kills her"

L600[08:49:44] <Syrren> sounds like you hit an alt+t somewhere

L601[08:49:59] <Inari> that just opens the tools menubar thingy

L602[08:50:01] <Syrren> ...nvm, that's only in emacs

L603[08:50:13] <Syrren> alt+t in emacs is (usually) transpose words around cursor

L604[08:50:46] <Syrren> "abc | def" alt+t "def | abc"

L605[08:50:55] <Syrren> actually, no, "def abc |"

L606[08:51:00] <Syrren> where | is cursor

L607[08:53:00] <Vexatos> Cruor: hi

L608[09:04:34] <Forecaster> aaah its a Vexatos

L609[09:05:37] <Inari> few know it as Vexus

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L611[09:30:15] <Wiiplay123> I have vim but I prefer notepad++ now that I've found the "go to line number" option

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<Snapples> can OC machines interface with Buildcraft/Forestry stuff?

L620[09:37:20] <Lizzy> possibly

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L636[10:34:45] <gamax92> ~w buffer

L637[10:34:45] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:buffer

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L646[11:01:02] <gamax92> oooh, I hope I still have my old audio files

L647[11:01:57] <gamax92> phew, still do.

L648[11:02:19] <Forecaster> woo

L649[11:02:45] <gamax92> the fuck do you mean permission denied, I am root. :I

L650[11:03:51] <Forecaster> xD

L651[11:03:54] <TheCryptek> I really hate working on my website ._.

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L653[11:07:24] <Izaya> I really hate the modern web

L654[11:07:59] <TheCryptek> Izaya: Right! I'm just working on a developers community right now

L655[11:08:51] <Forecaster> I also hate <vague idea or concept>!

L656[11:09:03] <Inari> Forecaster: ikr

L657[11:09:16] <TheCryptek> What kinda vague idea or concept?

L658[11:09:27] <Inari> now now

L659[11:09:33] <Inari> if you specified it, it wouldnt be vague anymore, would it?

L660[11:09:42] <TheCryptek> It's not vague

L661[11:10:13] <TheCryptek> Its a community for any and all developers of any or all languages to come together, make new friends. Form brand new development teams, and work on projects together.

L662[11:10:27] <TheCryptek> No matter the language, No matter the Ethnicity.

L663[11:10:33] <TheCryptek> No matter the race or gender.

L664[11:10:54] <Inari> well langauge is somewhat important

L665[11:10:55] <Inari> :D

L666[11:11:04] <Inari> also

L667[11:11:06] <TheCryptek> Not when google translate is around.

L668[11:11:12] <Forecaster> ...I think you missed the point, I wasn't talking about your developers community

L669[11:11:14] <Inari> that wasnt really against you :P because thats not hating

L670[11:11:23] <Inari> yeaaaah, well

L671[11:11:30] <Inari> i'd rather not speak to people using gtranslate, frankly

L672[11:11:41] <TheCryptek> That's why I'm glad I took classes :P

L673[11:11:52] <TheCryptek> OH

L674[11:11:56] <Lizzy> https://www.theender.net/shx/zion/javaw_2016-06-19_17-11-22.png SEUS is drunk

L675[11:11:58] <TheCryptek> I'm sorry guys.

L676[11:12:00] <TheCryptek> xD

L677[11:12:19] <TheCryptek> I misread inari's sentence "if you specified it, it wouldn't be vague anymore, would it?

L678[11:12:20] <TheCryptek> xD

L679[11:12:46] <TheCryptek> I haven't had my mourning hour yet ._.

L680[11:12:48] <Forecaster> Lizzy: what's SEUS?

L681[11:13:02] <Lizzy> Sonic Ether's Unbelivable Shaders

L682[11:13:08] <Forecaster> ah

L683[11:13:11] <TheCryptek> morning*

L684[11:13:21] <Forecaster> I wish I could use shaders xD

L685[11:13:43] <TheCryptek> Minecraft mods are the written in jave or javascript?

L686[11:13:49] <Forecaster> ...

L687[11:13:51] <Forecaster> java

L688[11:13:59] <Lizzy> well

L689[11:14:01] <Wiiplay123> Great news! I finally have theoretically infinite chest and miner management

L690[11:14:28] <Lizzy> I remember CPW saying that any language that could compile to java bytecode would work

L691[11:14:57] <Forecaster> I've never heard of a mod written in javascript thought, possible it may be :P

L692[11:15:23] <TheCryptek> I was just asking so I can figure out where the best place to start learning to write mc mods would be.

L693[11:15:44] <Forecaster> teh interwebz

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L695[11:16:11] <Forecaster> do you know OOP?

L696[11:16:27] <TheCryptek> Never heard of OOP what does OOP stand for?

L697[11:16:37] <Forecaster> Object Oriented Programming

L698[11:16:54] <TheCryptek> Nope but thats something i'll look up

L699[11:17:03] <Forecaster> you'll want to learn that first

L700[11:21:38] <TheCryptek> Can you explain the gist of it to me so I atleast know what I am getting myself into?

L701[11:21:48] <Lizzy> no

L702[11:21:54] <Lizzy> go look it up yourself

L703[11:22:02] <Forecaster> it's exactly what it sounds like

L704[11:22:53] <TheCryptek> Ok

L705[11:23:11] <TheCryptek> If compared to python. Would it be harder to learn then python?

L706[11:23:17] <Wiiplay123> http://puu.sh/pyo8X/2717fe8f4c.png

L707[11:23:24] <Lizzy> python is OOP mostly

L708[11:23:42] <TheCryptek> So I use OOP and don't even realize it ._.

L709[11:23:44] <Wiiplay123> I'm testing the program on the Creatix robot

L710[11:23:59] <Lizzy> TheCryptek, well, if you use classes then you're doing OOP

L711[11:24:08] <Lizzy> since you're working with objects

L712[11:24:17] <TheCryptek> ._. Its time I learn OOP

L713[11:24:49] <TheCryptek> Gah my kitten Miyagi won't stay off my keyboard ._.

L714[11:24:57] <Wiiplay123> Pics or it didn't happen

L715[11:28:24] <TheCryptek> gah

L716[11:28:41] <Wiiplay123> pls

L717[11:29:00] <Lizzy> come on, pay the cat tax

L718[11:29:29] <TheCryptek> 88888888,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777

L719[11:29:50] <Wiiplay123> or just send me your cat and I can take the pictures for you

L720[11:31:51] <gamax92> these UCM files are very slightly different ...

L721[11:32:28] <TheCryptek> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2mh99xj&s=9 I named him Kesuke Miyagi but we all call him Miyagi or Mr Miyagi at my sisters

L722[11:33:33] <Saphire> hey Lizzy o.

L723[11:33:36] <Saphire> *o/

L724[11:33:40] <Lizzy> hai o/

L725[11:33:53] <TheCryptek> Wiiplay123:

L726[11:36:13] <gamax92> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooJIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

L727[11:38:02] <Saphire> wut?

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L729[11:40:12] <gamax92> building a haskell program ...

L730[11:40:27] * gamax92 sees how long stack needs to setup

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L732[11:48:42] <Wiiplay123> I'm building an inventory manager that only takes five blocks to work

L733[11:53:14] <gamax92> welp, that didn't work, did stack build but stack exec fails

L734[11:53:44] <gamax92> oh, needs a double dash

L735[11:55:08] * Lizzy writes 6-6-11:04:00 on vifino

L736[11:55:12] <Lizzy> err

L737[11:55:15] <Wiiplay123> what

L738[11:55:16] * Lizzy writes 6-5-11:04:00 on vifino

L739[11:55:26] <Wiiplay123> It's 11:55 AM

L740[11:55:37] <Lizzy> 6 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 4 minutes and 20 seconds

L741[11:55:41] <Lizzy> roughly

L742[11:55:43] <vifino> :3

L743[11:55:55] <Wiiplay123> Is that how long you've gone without vaping?

L744[11:56:01] <Lizzy> i don't vape

L745[11:56:10] <Lizzy> that'd be my cousin

L746[11:56:17] <Wiiplay123> WE GET IT, YOUR COUSIN VAPES /s

L747[12:00:35] <Wiiplay123> Time to assemble the main loop of the program that combines all the previously individual functions together

L748[12:05:12] <flappy> #\//\

L749[12:09:54] <Skye> I just swapped my control and capslock keys

L750[12:10:14] <Skye> Unicomp keyboards are really nice

L751[12:10:20] <Skye> you can literally swap keycaps

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L754[12:27:18] <CompanionCube> Skye, inb4 your start using emacs

L755[12:27:31] <Skye> nah

L756[12:27:37] <Skye> :P

L757[12:27:46] <CompanionCube> C-M-C-X-butterfly

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L764[13:11:15] <kreezxil> Is there a way to make a computer terminal respect adventure mode and not allow the player to create new directories and files. I want them to be able to do everything else however.

L765[13:11:32] <kreezxil> well not delete either

L766[13:12:42] <CompanionCube> http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/06/18/minecraft-add-ons-e3-2016/ does this look shitty and useless to anyone else

L767[13:12:51] <CompanionCube> kreezxil, you can do almost anything you can program

L768[13:13:23] <gamax92> kreezxil: create your own loot floppies? (that is resource pack supported iirc)

L769[13:15:22] <asie> kreezxil: modify OpenOS

L770[13:15:40] <asie> or sandbox a boot ROM, or something

L771[13:18:06] <Skye> CompanionCube, JSON hell

L772[13:19:01] <CompanionCube> Skye, it doesn't even allow for anything substantive

L773[13:19:15] <Skye> tweaking the game is good

L774[13:19:17] <Skye> but not enough

L775[13:19:30] <CompanionCube> honestly, if they're going the config file route

L776[13:19:40] <Skye> they need to add blocks and crafting and blah

L777[13:19:41] <CompanionCube> why not choose the more readable YAML over JSON

L778[13:21:14] <Skye> JSON is fast to parse

L779[13:21:22] <Skye> and mojang is inefficent

L780[13:21:26] <Skye> reloading it too many times

L781[13:25:00] <asie> hjson

L782[13:27:58] <Forecaster> heyson

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L787[14:27:29] <kreezxil> CompanionCube, gamax92: put it another way, has anyone done it "make oc respect adventure mode and give the user only read execute but not write or delete privileges in the terminal", if that person is here are they willing to share the code.

L788[14:28:38] <gamax92> Because you don't want to put any effort?

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L791[14:30:30] <kreezxil> Isn't the OC/linux/open source world all about sharing? Or is the name of this mod actually "Open Microsoft"?

L792[14:30:46] <asie> kreezxil: It's "Open Don't Be An Asshole"

L793[14:30:49] <Izaya> Skyrim Court Wizard = Government IT

L794[14:31:20] <kreezxil> I want little jump start, as old as Open Computers is there should be tons of programs out for it, but no, most of it locked away tight like the comment asie just made. and I'm not being an asshole.

L795[14:31:21] <Izaya> asie: ie Wheaton's Law?

L796[14:31:31] <asie> kreezxil: OpenComputers has very little software

L797[14:31:38] <Izaya> less locked away and more like nonexistent

L798[14:31:39] <asie> oppm lists most of it. It's not even a hundred IIRC

L799[14:31:43] <kreezxil> I've found to app repositories

L800[14:31:48] <asie> No, mpt does not count.

L801[14:31:50] <Izaya> everyone's too preoccupied writing OSs and tools

L802[14:31:53] <asie> It has Plan9k and Plan9k accessories.

L803[14:32:01] <Izaya> nobody writes actual applications

L804[14:32:02] <asie> ^

L805[14:32:15] <asie> kreezxil: Of course it's all about sharing.

L806[14:32:16] <kreezxil> but no program similar to what I want to do, I want to exhaust what exists before I have to commence the coding. (this is called preliminary research, but you know that)

L807[14:32:25] <asie> But we don't tend to share air.

L808[14:32:30] <asie> Everyone gets their own allowance of oxygen.

L809[14:32:39] <Kodos> Oh fuck, that reminds me

L810[14:32:40] <asie> THAT'S RIGHT, IZAYA! NO MORE OXYGEN FOR YOU TODAY

L811[14:32:43] <Kodos> I've used mine up

L812[14:32:45] * Kodos suffocates and dies

L813[14:32:50] * Izaya turns blue

L814[14:32:57] * asie just killed half the channel

L815[14:33:00] <asie> Well, now you're out of coders. :)

L816[14:33:09] <asie> And man did that "killed" sound terrifying in hindsight.

L817[14:33:18] * kreezxil dies from the asshole comment alone ... *poof*

L818[14:33:19] <asie> Also, since when is two 50% of 181

L819[14:33:36] <asie> kreezxil: Well, Microsoft has been open sourcing more stuff than I'd expect them to, ever

L820[14:33:39] <Izaya> asie: there are 6 people that have said anything on my current screen

L821[14:33:45] <Izaya> therefore it's more like 1/3

L822[14:33:54] <asie> Izaya: You're stealing my oxygen.

L823[14:33:59] <kreezxil> asie: that's because their waking up actually, finally, wonder how long it will last tho.

L824[14:34:00] <Kodos> kreezxil, what are you trying to do anyway

L825[14:34:09] <asie> kreezxil: Anyhow. One important note.

L826[14:34:15] <asie> It's worth it to reinvent the wheel sometimes.

L827[14:34:21] <asie> You can learn things.

L828[14:34:53] <asie> Plan9k might be able to mount read-only.

L829[14:34:57] <kreezxil> Kodos: I'm going to use a screen to display various types of instructions to my Sky Challenge players. But I don't want them to do any more than start the computer, access a menu, read the files.

L830[14:34:57] <asie> But it's quite different architecturally from OpenOS.

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L832[14:35:12] <asie> Like, it's a proper UNIX-like system.

L833[14:35:18] <asie> Probably way too heavyweight.

L834[14:35:19] <Kodos> If you're using opencomputers for what amounts to a rules screen, you're doing it wrong.

L835[14:35:21] <kreezxil> Kodos: I might be having a senior moment.

L836[14:35:24] <asie> Kodos: Shut up.

L837[14:35:27] <asie> :|

L838[14:35:31] <asie> OpenComputers is good for everything

L839[14:35:33] <asie> I mean, we use it for *images*

L840[14:35:36] <asie> or used it, at BTM

L841[14:35:37] <Kodos> Yes, but overkill is a thing

L842[14:35:42] <asie> What would he use, then?

L843[14:35:44] <asie> SIGNS?

L844[14:35:49] <kreezxil> Kodos: I don't want to use signs, ick.

L845[14:35:55] <Kodos> First of all I wasn't going to say signs

L846[14:35:59] <Kodos> RFTools screens work great

L847[14:36:00] <kreezxil> Kodos: and malisis advertis isn't on 1.9.4 yet.

L848[14:36:13] <Kodos> See above comment.

L849[14:36:16] * kreezxil spocks at Kodos

L850[14:36:20] <Kodos> uwot

L851[14:36:23] <Izaya> you people are nerds, what are some ways to gain 1k gold quickly near whiterun in skyrim?

L852[14:36:23] <kreezxil> hmm, i have that.

L853[14:36:41] * kreezxil raises an eyebrow while looking at Kodos

L854[14:36:50] <kreezxil> this is calling "spock"

L855[14:36:53] <asie> You know what's amazing?

L856[14:37:01] <asie> That in #oc, people discourage people from using OC.

L857[14:37:20] <kreezxil> I still want to do it in OC tho

L858[14:37:22] <Izaya> using OC for everything does not align with the unix philosophy

L859[14:37:27] <kreezxil> I'll try the rftools screens tho

L860[14:37:31] <Kodos> RFTools can be controlled by a computer

L861[14:37:35] <Kodos> There ya go

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L863[14:37:52] <Kodos> Make a program that has a menu that reads from different files based on what you want to 'load' into the screen

L864[14:37:54] <asie> Izaya: So computing does not align with the unix philosophy.

L865[14:37:58] <Kodos> Then all the text changing ends up done via the computer

L866[14:38:02] <asie> Unless you actually use a different device for everything, like I wish I have sometimes.

L867[14:38:02] <Kodos> And you don't have to touch the screens

L868[14:38:19] <Izaya> if computers aligned to the unix philosophy we'd have a separate chip for each instruction

L869[14:38:31] <kreezxil> Kodos: how do I trap ctrl+alt+c, will a simple key capture inhibit it?

L870[14:38:46] <Kodos> That's an asie question, tbh

L871[14:38:55] <Kodos> Shouldn't be hard to prevent tho

L872[14:39:00] <kreezxil> If I can trap the user in a menu loop, that would be the same thing for me.

L873[14:39:05] <gamax92> oh, that's all you wanted to do, that has absolutely nothing to do with adventure mode XD

L874[14:39:24] <Inari> ~oc event

L875[14:39:24] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:event

L876[14:39:31] <kreezxil> gamax92 I use adventure mode to protect my spawn

L877[14:39:41] <Kodos> kreezxil, iirc, ctrl alt c fires a 'terminate' event

L878[14:39:44] <Kodos> So just catch that

L879[14:40:01] <kreezxil> ok

L880[14:40:10] <gamax92> well ...

L881[14:40:12] <kreezxil> is there a way to do it in the shell at all?

L882[14:40:21] <kreezxil> I know I can trap you in a bash script

L883[14:40:27] <gamax92> one uses 'terminate' iirc, the other fires error()

L884[14:40:40] <gamax92> but the event api has functions it uses to check the keyboard

L885[14:40:49] <gamax92> you can just replace those with empty functions

L886[14:42:17] <gamax92> function event.shouldInterrupt() return false end function event.shouldSoftInterrupt() return false end

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L888[14:42:41] <Dustpuppy> it works :-)

L889[14:42:43] <Dustpuppy> http://imgur.com/6WetRv7

L890[14:42:57] <Kodos> Color schemes plox

L891[14:43:01] <Dustpuppy> part one of full auto breeding is done

L892[14:43:59] <gamax92> kreezxil: the reason why mentioning adventure mode is irrelevant is because all you're doing is displaying a rules/instructions on a screen, which can be done in any game mode.

L893[14:44:25] <Kodos> gamax92, adventure mode prevents players from breaking stuff without a tool, which presumably is protected by other means

L894[14:44:37] <gamax92> cool but that still has nothing to do with displaying text on a screen

L895[14:44:43] <gamax92> which is what he initially forgot to say

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L897[14:45:51] <gamax92> nvm whatever, you don't get my point.

L898[14:45:53] <Wiiplay123> Is there any way to get wood from stone in ProjectE

L899[14:45:59] <Wiiplay123> or really wood from anything

L900[14:46:14] <Wiiplay123> I have a super miner almost ready but I need to give it a wood source to make chests out of

L901[14:46:32] <Kodos> I'm assuming you don't already have at least one piece of wood?

L902[14:46:49] <Wiiplay123> nah, I can supply it with some wood

L903[14:46:54] <Wiiplay123> but I'm wanting to make it able to get TONS of it

L904[14:46:56] <Kodos> Energy... Condenser?

L905[14:47:03] <Wiiplay123> that's my first plan

L906[14:47:18] <g> so, minecraft at E3 introduced "addons", which allow you to tweak or change the AI of entities

L907[14:47:27] <g> this is the "first step towards a fully modded minecraft experience"

L908[14:47:30] <Kodos> rip modding

L909[14:47:33] <Izaya> fucks given: 0

L910[14:47:38] <g> and it's coming to.. MC for 10, PE, and.. other mobile versions

L911[14:47:38] <Wiiplay123> lol

L912[14:47:40] <g> _not_ the java version

L913[14:47:47] <g> that strikes me as pretty odd

L914[14:47:47] <Kodos> I've been saying from the beginning that it's only a matter of time before Microsoft kills modding

L915[14:47:48] <Wiiplay123> Fine with me

L916[14:47:48] <Izaya> fucks given: -1

L917[14:47:59] <Wiiplay123> Mods don't need Microsoft's support

L918[14:48:14] <Kodos> With the changes they've made since acquisition, cross compat has been nuked

L919[14:48:17] <g> eh, it feels like they might be moving to drop the java version

L920[14:48:34] <Kodos> inb4onepointtenisfinal

L921[14:48:44] <Wiiplay123> Except we can easily just stay on 1.10 forever

L922[14:48:48] <Kodos> Honestly, I'd be okay with that

L923[14:48:52] <Wiiplay123> same

L924[14:48:56] <Wiiplay123> All we need is mods at this point

L925[14:48:59] <Kodos> It'd give Forge a chance to get their shit together, and mods to finalize an update

L926[14:49:04] <Wiiplay123> yup

L927[14:49:11] <Wiiplay123> 1.10 last version of minecraft pls

L928[14:49:11] <g> hm, true

L929[14:49:45] <Wiiplay123> Because since THE BEGINNING OF MINECRAFT, mods have been getting outdated

L930[14:49:48] <Wiiplay123> with every update

L931[14:49:53] <g> yeah, this is true

L932[14:50:03] <Wiiplay123> like I'm running 1.7.10 still

L933[14:50:12] <gamax92> that concept applies to many things besides Minecraft though

L934[14:50:22] <g> I'm on 1.9.4 for mods now

L935[14:50:26] <g> it's starting to be feasible

L936[14:50:34] <Wiiplay123> 1.10 is already out though

L937[14:50:49] <g> yeah, but not forge for 1.10

L938[14:50:57] <g> not yet anyway

L939[14:51:28] <Izaya> the mobile version users can have their 'addon' support

L940[14:51:44] <Izaya> as long as they don't try to make the Java version stop working

L941[14:51:53] <Izaya> (and if they take down the auth servers, we have alternatives)

L942[14:51:55] <g> well, they might - you saw what happened to classic

L943[14:52:28] <Kodos> let's say I didn't. What happened to classic

L944[14:52:54] <g> basically they promised they'd keep it going (particularly the server list) indefinitely

L945[14:53:06] <g> and they slowly started to hide it, remove links to it, and eventually just took it down without saying anything

L946[14:53:21] <gamax92> well Classic wasn't exactly working :P

L947[14:53:31] <g> there's still a sizeable classic community, oddly

L948[14:53:36] <gamax92> offline sure, but in browser the Java updates were breaking it

L949[14:53:37] <Izaya> just saying

L950[14:53:49] <g> yeah, I think most people use classicube or whatever it was

L951[14:53:49] <Izaya> but if they kill the java version

L952[14:53:59] <Izaya> we'll make our own

L953[14:54:06] <Izaya> with blackjack and hookers

L954[14:54:09] <g> eh, that might not be legal

L955[14:54:09] <g> :P

L956[14:54:13] <gamax92> Izaya: people say this about everything

L957[14:54:17] <Izaya> oh I mean like

L958[14:54:26] <Izaya> we have a bunch of issues with how minecraft actually works, right?

L959[14:54:36] <Izaya> recreate the whole thing from the ground up

L960[14:54:38] <Izaya> or y'know

L961[14:54:44] <Izaya> fix the issues Minetest has

L962[14:54:45] <Izaya> either way

L963[14:54:50] <Kodos> I'm still holding out for Total Miner:Forge on PC

L964[14:54:52] <g> hahaha

L965[14:54:57] <gamax92> good one Izaya

L966[14:54:58] <g> you say that like it's a trivial issue

L967[14:55:06] <g> imagine taking minetest up to modern minecraft, feature-wise

L968[14:55:21] <g> we're having enough trouble keeping up with glowstone, and that's _just_ the server side

L969[14:55:21] <Wiiplay123> Better yet

L970[14:55:33] <Wiiplay123> What if we made an EXACT clone of minecraft

L971[14:55:41] <Izaya> lawsuit

L972[14:55:45] <Wiiplay123> With 100% compatability, like what happened with ace of spades

L973[14:55:50] <Wiiplay123> hmmmm

L974[14:56:06] <Wiiplay123> Maybe like an exact java minecraft clone in C++

L975[14:56:14] <Wiiplay123> That has full compatability, but by default looks completely different

L976[14:56:25] <Wiiplay123> and only through switching the texture pack can it look like normal minecraft

L977[14:56:37] <g> well, then it'd be in C++

L978[14:56:39] <g> no forge

L979[14:56:54] <Wiiplay123> That's the point where you start adding true modding support

L980[14:57:21] <Wiiplay123> Step 1: Get C++ clone, Step 2: Add modding support that is as good as forge

L981[14:57:25] <asie> Wiiplay123: Ace of Spades is not backed by Microsoft

L982[14:57:28] <asie> and none of the clones are 100%

L983[14:57:35] <asie> at least I hope they aren't, making outright clones is bad

L984[14:57:37] <asie> very bad

L985[14:57:39] <asie> for creativity

L986[14:57:40] <Wiiplay123> 100% compatible, not 100% clone

L987[14:57:43] <asie> Ah.

L988[14:57:46] <g> yeah, I think the best clone I've seen is iceball

L989[14:57:48] <asie> Look up the story of Manic Digger in 2010

L990[14:57:53] <asie> Notch took that down, back in the day.

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L992[14:58:01] <asie> As in, the part which connected to Minecraft Classic servers

L993[14:58:08] <asie> he just went into the IRC channel and asked them if they could take it down

L994[14:58:18] <asie> So, uh, no.

L995[14:58:22] <asie> Help TrueCraft,i f you want to.

L996[14:58:28] <asie> Also, Java is probably better than C++, honestly.

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L998[14:58:31] <Wiiplay123> Then don't make it connect to minecraft servers

L999[14:58:34] <asie> C++ is ugly to code in, even if slightly faster

L1000[14:58:37] <Wiiplay123> Make it connect to Bukkit servers

L1001[14:58:41] <Wiiplay123> Which aren't Minecraft, they're Bukkit

L1002[14:58:43] <asie> Bukkit servers ARE Minecraft servers

L1003[14:58:51] <asie> Bukkit is a patch on top of Minecraft

L1004[14:58:51] <Izaya> write it in rust /s

L1005[14:58:55] <Wiiplay123> But they aren't officially Minecraft :3

L1006[14:58:58] <g> yeah that isn't a solution, bukkit uses the same protocol

L1007[14:58:59] <asie> Yes they are.

L1008[14:59:01] <Wiiplay123> oh

L1009[14:59:02] <g> and they are officially minecraft

L1010[14:59:05] <asie> They're indistingushable.

L1011[14:59:06] <g> they're literally a mod on top of the server

L1012[14:59:11] <Wiiplay123> nvm then

L1013[14:59:14] <g> well, aside from glowstone

L1014[14:59:15] <g> but yeahy

L1015[14:59:16] <Wiiplay123> I thought Bukkit was like Pyspades

L1016[14:59:17] <g> yeah*

L1017[14:59:36] <Wiiplay123> :(

L1018[15:00:07] <g> nah, how do you think bukkit was able to knock out some of their updates so fast?

L1019[15:00:14] <g> definitely not by reimplementing everything

L1020[15:00:14] <Wiiplay123> ooooh

L1021[15:00:22] <g> if you want that, there's glowstone, but that isn't done yet

L1022[15:00:53] <Wiiplay123> Maybe make a server that doesn't use the minecraft protocol

L1023[15:01:02] <Wiiplay123> but is so heavily moddable that you can change the protocol itself

L1024[15:01:38] <Wiiplay123> basically find all the legal loopholes that exist

L1025[15:01:54] <kreezxil> Apparently I'm running on social skills compression 1.0 still as I was unable to cram a novel into a small sentence to cover all the talking points for someone to catch my gist on the first go which elicited some several people steering me away from OC.

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L1027[15:02:34] * Izaya shudders

L1028[15:02:41] <Izaya> Material AND Numix

L1029[15:03:31] <Izaya> friendly reminder that holo > material

L1030[15:03:57] <kreezxil> This probably a pipe dream, but I'd like to some kind of weird hybrid between bukkit and forge. Where the player has no mods on their client, but when they encounter an chunk that has a mod they don't have, that mod is then distributed to them. *I know this would be an issue for ppl on dialup*

L1031[15:04:14] <Wiiplay123> Wasn't there something like that already

L1032[15:04:17] <Wiiplay123> Spigot or something

L1033[15:04:17] <CompanionCube> kreezxil, you could just

L1034[15:04:19] <CompanionCube> hm

L1035[15:04:20] <Inari> that would also be horribly hacky :P

L1036[15:04:28] <CompanionCube> do you require people to interact with the computers

L1037[15:04:28] <Wiiplay123> no wait that's not it

L1038[15:04:36] <CompanionCube> because you could just not have a keyboard connected

L1039[15:04:37] <Inari> kreezxil: whats the benefit over just like... modpack launcher

L1040[15:04:54] <kreezxil> Inari: with a giant modpack, there would be a huge benefit.

L1041[15:05:14] <Wiiplay123> Guys

L1042[15:05:17] <Wiiplay123> I remember this existing already

L1043[15:05:19] <kreezxil> with a tiny modpack its a pointless if not moot point

L1044[15:05:22] <Kodos> I can't imagine a server-side only modpack where the performance doesn't take a hit

L1045[15:05:49] <kreezxil> Kodos: if you play World of Warcraft you actually experience it already.

L1046[15:06:05] <kreezxil> its what happens when you cross zones

L1047[15:06:14] <Inari> what happens? xD

L1048[15:06:16] <Kodos> Yes but WoW has been coded to be able to load shit without a relog

L1049[15:07:06] <kreezxil> I think according diesenb007 on forge forums, forge if not minecraft itself is just huge library of java hacks.

L1050[15:07:36] <kreezxil> anyways, the point was, I would like to see it, it doesn't mean it should be a reality.

L1051[15:08:07] <Inari> sure, it might be nice, if you make it work somehow :P i dont think the effort/gain ratio is worth it though

L1052[15:08:18] * CompanionCube is content to let the others have a shitty inferior experience with 'addons'

L1053[15:08:19] <g> Wiiplay123: you're thinking about spout

L1054[15:08:19] <kreezxil> Like in America, we wanted to see what would happen if certain ppl got elected the last 8 years, now, maybe we can remember what that is like and do something truly different this time around.

L1055[15:08:27] <Inari> plus having the mods on client is kinda great for testing stuff in creative :P

L1056[15:09:03] <Wiiplay123> thanks :D I knew it was something about a faucet

L1057[15:09:15] <Inari> kreezxil: theres also the question of how that would work then

L1058[15:09:24] <Inari> like i open JEI

L1059[15:09:27] <CompanionCube> kreezxil, who will be doing the changing

L1060[15:09:27] <Inari> it needs to know al the mod items

L1061[15:09:30] <Inari> to be able to search them

L1062[15:09:40] <kreezxil> Inari: if such a server existed, the work around would be to have a chunk where all the mods existed, the player goes that chunk, and after however long it takes dl everything, they'll have all the content. it was just an idea.

L1063[15:09:47] <g> Wiiplay123: It died, a slow painful death

L1064[15:09:57] <Inari> that sounds kinda terrible haha

L1065[15:10:43] <Wiiplay123> So did it download mods or what

L1066[15:10:46] <Kodos> at that point they may as well grab the pack

L1067[15:11:05] <kreezxil> CompanionCube, Inari: well we'll have to send some people to heart africa to mind an ancient sleeping power whose name you can not mention, wake them and answers its riddles, then it will let you pass in to the tomb behind it, where we find a unicorn that sells squatty potties and that guy who helps him, he can code it.

L1068[15:11:18] <CompanionCube> by the way

L1069[15:11:22] <g> Wiiplay123: No, not exactly

L1070[15:11:28] <Wiiplay123> oh

L1071[15:11:29] <CompanionCube> shifting the point of download to after-connection is rather useless

L1072[15:11:33] <g> you had spout api plugins on the bukkit side that, eg, defined nwe blocks

L1073[15:11:37] <g> and a base block for them

L1074[15:11:37] <Wiiplay123> A thing to download mods from server would be cool

L1075[15:11:39] <g> new*

L1076[15:11:47] <g> and the client downloaded the texture, while the server handled the logic

L1077[15:12:20] <kreezxil> g gets it

L1078[15:13:01] <Inari> g: sounds not very helpful, but i guess

L1079[15:13:47] <g> that was spout

L1080[15:13:50] <g> I mean it could do more than that

L1081[15:13:54] <g> you could modify the ui for example

L1082[15:13:57] <g> but that was the gist of it

L1083[15:14:08] <Wiiplay123> I would love to play Minecrift with OpenComputers and ComputerCraft

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L1085[15:14:17] <CompanionCube> Wiiplay123, what's stopping you?

L1086[15:14:44] <Wiiplay123> My lack of an HTC Vive or Oculus Rift.

L1087[15:14:47] <kreezxil> Wiiplay123: the highest tier of forge that supports both computer craft and open computers 1.8.9.

L1088[15:14:51] <Wiiplay123> And my lack of a graphics card powerful enough

L1089[15:14:57] <Wiiplay123> I said Minecrift not Minecraft

L1090[15:15:10] <CompanionCube> I just assumed it was a typo

L1091[15:15:11] <kreezxil> Minecrift?

L1092[15:15:18] <g> it's a mod that adds support for the rift

L1093[15:15:20] <Wiiplay123> yeah

L1094[15:15:22] <Wiiplay123> and the Vive

L1095[15:15:29] <Wiiplay123> which is better than the Rift because it isn't Faceboculus

L1096[15:15:30] <g> I have a rift DK1 here, and I have to say, VR MC is really quite nice

L1097[15:15:39] <kreezxil> You can afford a Rift? Wiiplay123?

L1098[15:15:42] <g> although, yknow, it's a DK1

L1099[15:15:52] <Wiiplay123> not yet, saving up

L1100[15:15:53] <Izaya> Vive seems nice

L1101[15:15:57] <Inari> i want a vive

L1102[15:16:13] <Izaya> though I'd rather like a HMD that just acts as two {VGA,DVI} monitors

L1103[15:16:17] <g> my next money explosion will probably be the NX

L1104[15:16:28] * CompanionCube has seen the Vive

L1105[15:16:30] <CompanionCube> it looks sweet.

L1106[15:16:56] <kreezxil> is Vive the one that uses your smarth phone?

L1107[15:17:06] <Wiiplay123> no, that's Google Cardboard or GearVR

L1108[15:17:09] <g> no, that's the galaxy gear vr

L1109[15:17:13] <Skye> gahhh

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L1111[15:17:17] <g> come to think of it, I have a cardboard too

L1112[15:17:21] <Skye> getting used to swapping control and capslock is strange

L1113[15:17:39] <Inari> vive is the best one :P

L1114[15:18:00] <Inari> Skye: do you dvorak?

L1115[15:18:14] <Skye> no

L1116[15:18:21] <Inari> try learning :D

L1117[15:18:29] <Skye> eeeh

L1118[15:18:37] <Skye> I don't want to buy the keycaps from america

L1119[15:18:44] <g> ain't nobody got time for that

L1120[15:19:03] <Inari> psh

L1121[15:19:08] <Inari> keycaps are for people who look at the keybaord

L1122[15:19:16] <kreezxil> When I want 3D reality that just like real life, I turn off the computer and go outside.

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L1124[15:19:31] <g> that's missing the point of VR, honestly

L1125[15:19:32] <Inari> kreezxil: except, noone wants that

L1126[15:19:34] <Skye> I'd need to look at the keyboard when I'm leaning a new layout

L1127[15:19:35] <kreezxil> No graphics card needed, nothing to save up for.

L1128[15:19:51] <Inari> thats like saying "if i wanted to shoot a ugn, i'd go to the shooting range in reallife"

L1129[15:19:51] <Inari> :p

L1130[15:20:31] <kreezxil> Inari: exactly you get the point.

L1131[15:20:45] <Inari> wat

L1132[15:21:21] <g> if this is your opinion on vr

L1133[15:21:28] <kreezxil> but yeah, that's me being an *asshole*, thought you should see what it was really like. I want an Occulus Rift too btw, but wow, I can't save that much up in a ... I don't know, I'll get more done writing a complete and full featured app store for OC first.

L1134[15:21:30] <g> then vr is not for you, and you probably won't understand the hype

L1135[15:21:40] <Inari> i was like

L1136[15:21:47] <Inari> mockin you rpoint :P how does that make me get your point xD

L1137[15:22:27] <kreezxil> I have gray hair and false teeth you'll have to just listen to the old codger for a bit to get the jist of the strange tangential conversation.

L1138[15:22:47] <Inari> anyway

L1139[15:23:08] <Inari> VR isn't about being reallife, it never will be, because then you could just do reallife :P TIVR is about reallife with benefits though

L1140[15:23:30] <g> AR is something I'm very interested in

L1141[15:23:32] * kreezxil cringers in fear

L1142[15:23:36] <g> google glass turned out to be a flop, though

L1143[15:23:58] <Inari> TIVR will be <3

L1144[15:24:01] <Inari> if it ever happens

L1145[15:24:02] <Inari> :P

L1146[15:24:05] <kreezxil> g: yeah AR, now that's something, I would love an exoskeleton that enhanced my movement and lifting capabilities.

L1147[15:25:19] <Forecaster> that's not what AR is

L1148[15:26:18] <CompanionCube> isn't that very much transumanistic

L1149[15:26:26] <Inari> it is

L1150[15:26:31] <kreezxil> Isn't AR augemnted reality?

L1151[15:26:32] <scj643> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/51974940/ShareX/2016/06/Stella-rium.jpg'

L1152[15:26:40] <Inari> it is

L1153[15:26:46] <CompanionCube> but not 'augmented' in that sense

L1154[15:26:48] <Inari> but augmented reality tends to mean augmenting your vision :P

L1155[15:27:02] <kreezxil> wouldn't my reality be augmented by using a functional exoskeleton?

L1156[15:27:16] <cloakable> no, your muscles would :P

L1157[15:27:20] <Forecaster> yes but that's not what the term means

L1158[15:28:08] * kreezxil tells his muscles, look dimwits, I don't care, your reality isn't being augmented, I know you just lifted a car, who cares, if the eyeballs don't see a huge spacecraft instead, it's not augmented. ok.

L1159[15:28:48] <Forecaster> if you use it like that you can use it about anything

L1160[15:28:57] <Forecaster> cars? augmented reality.

L1161[15:29:37] <Forecaster> calculators? agumented reality

L1162[15:29:40] <Forecaster> and so on :P

L1163[15:30:10] <kreezxil> Well, there we go, I"ve been augmented since the 70's.

L1164[15:31:40] <Forecaster> sounds more like the term you're looking for would be "personal augmentation"

L1165[15:31:58] <Forecaster> augmenting yourself rather than your surroundings

L1166[15:33:08] <Inari> can robots somehow use anvils/

L1167[15:33:47] <Forecaster> I don't think so

L1168[15:33:55] <Forecaster> not vanilla ones, since they're not tileentities

L1169[15:34:03] <Inari> :f

L1170[15:34:53] <Inari> hm

L1171[15:35:00] <Inari> i need either way to print something or to rename an item :P

L1172[15:39:30] <kreezxil> Seems everyone is search for something that is not OC to solve your problem Inari

L1173[15:39:44] <Inari> ?

L1174[15:43:56] <CompanionCube> kreezxil, if you want a rules screen

L1175[15:43:59] <ping> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjAvikz0Yjg

L1176[15:44:00] <MichiBot> #V ITS TIME TO STOP | length: 30s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 7 | by PixelToast

L1177[15:44:03] <CompanionCube> why not just use a computer but hdie the keyboard

L1178[15:44:44] <Inari> why note just

L1179[15:44:46] <kreezxil> in 1.9.4 it's lettng me access the shell by hitting the screen, is that because I put a keyboard in the case?

L1180[15:44:47] <Inari> have no keyboard

L1181[15:44:47] <Inari> :f

L1182[15:45:06] <Inari> what are you trying to do even

L1183[15:45:11] <kreezxil> I want them to be able to select different screens of information.

L1184[15:45:31] <Inari> so make a program with buttons D:

L1185[15:45:46] <Inari> we evne have touchscreens

L1186[15:45:48] <Inari> this isnt the 1930s

L1187[15:45:49] <CompanionCube> t2+ monitors are touchscreens

L1188[15:45:58] <kreezxil> like click here or enter data to get to the information about the rules, how to get started with the "sky resources" mod, how to do this other thing, etc.

L1189[15:46:05] <Inari> nowadays we touch screens

L1190[15:46:08] <Inari> and screens touch us

L1191[15:46:10] <Inari> indirectly

L1192[15:46:21] <kreezxil> bad screen! bad.

L1193[15:47:16] <CompanionCube> kreezxil, you can open the screen by hitting it yes

L1194[15:47:26] <CompanionCube> but you need a keyboard to type

L1195[15:47:40] <kreezxil> cool

L1196[15:48:10] <CompanionCube> so you could just place a keyboard

L1197[15:48:53] <CompanionCube> s/place/not place/

L1198[15:48:54] <MichiBot> <CompanionCube> so you could just not place a keyboard

L1199[15:51:00] <kreezxil> now for the next question: if it makes you smack your forehead or want to rage on me, don't just don't. Ok, so If I want to ensure that computer autoboots to the program in question, will putting that in the .shrc that is in /home be sufficient?

L1200[15:51:25] <CompanionCube> should be

L1201[15:51:52] <TheCryptek> %tell TheFox Hey son, what's up.

L1202[15:51:54] <MichiBot> TheCryptek: TheFox will be notified of this message when next seen.

L1203[15:52:08] <Wiiplay123> Does opencomputers have a graphics mode?

L1204[15:52:29] <Wiiplay123> Would be cool to make a thing like Windows

L1205[15:52:35] <kreezxil> %tell Wiiplay123 that's an interesting question!

L1206[15:52:36] <MichiBot> kreezxil: Wiiplay123 will be notified of this message when next seen.

L1207[15:52:44] <Wiiplay123> ...

L1208[15:52:46] <Wiiplay123> I'm literally right here

L1209[15:52:52] <CompanionCube> most useless use of %tell ever

L1210[15:52:52] <kreezxil> I know

L1211[15:52:59] <Wiiplay123> And I got it all in my IRC log

L1212[15:53:10] <Wiiplay123> kreezxil official most useless use of %tell ever 2016

L1213[15:53:27] <Izaya> I'm sorry, Sir, you'll give me 18 gold for my Fine Steel Sword? I'm keeping it, then.

L1214[15:53:35] <Izaya> Dual-wield an orcish and fancy sword

L1215[15:53:37] <Forecaster> Wiiplay123: I believe it does if you work for it

L1216[15:58:37] <Wiiplay123> how do you work for it

L1217[16:00:07] * vifino dances with Lizzy

L1218[16:00:18] * Lizzy dances with vifino

L1219[16:01:48] ⇦ Quits: Jezza (~Jezza@92.206.5.6) (Quit: Leaving)

L1220[16:01:52] <Izaya> we were talking about mods and modloading and stuff earlier

L1221[16:01:58] <Izaya> anyway I was modding skyrim a few hours ago

L1222[16:02:09] <Izaya> it reminded me of modding with risugami's modloader

L1223[16:02:17] <Izaya> did you delete meta-inf?

L1224[16:02:21] <Inari> oh god

L1225[16:02:24] <Inari> i hate skyrim modding

L1226[16:02:34] <Inari> and then you nee dhtis load order

L1227[16:02:36] <Inari> and need to pack this

L1228[16:02:37] <Izaya> now so do I

L1229[16:02:38] <Inari> with htis

L1230[16:02:39] <Inari> for this

L1231[16:02:41] <Inari> and blargh

L1232[16:03:15] <Lizzy> do you not do skyrim modding through the Nexus mod manager?

L1233[16:03:32] <Izaya> steam workshop + manual from fucking curse

L1234[16:03:39] <Izaya> curse tried to tell me I can't read today

L1235[16:03:47] <Forecaster> I've always used NMM

L1236[16:03:51] <Lizzy> curse is shit

L1237[16:04:02] <Forecaster> since Oblivion

L1238[16:04:18] <Lizzy> I use it for Fallout 4

L1239[16:04:22] <Inari> i handed Skye Lizzy's Melons

L1240[16:04:27] <Inari> she just threw them on the ground

L1241[16:04:27] <Inari> :<

L1242[16:04:36] <Izaya> rude

L1243[16:04:43] <Inari> ikr

L1244[16:04:45] <Forecaster> lewrude

L1245[16:04:56] <Skye> I'm not lewd

L1246[16:05:03] <Lizzy> I need to get some 'dummy' mods for my fallout 4 load order so when dlc comes out it stops fucking my game over

L1247[16:06:10] <Lizzy> also in other news my NMM is actually broken because i think i set it's paths up for my storage disks when i had them in my pc, they're now in my server

L1248[16:06:28] <Wiiplay123> Has anyone made a video demonstrating the full history of Minecraft modding?

L1249[16:06:29] <vifino> Inari: Lizzy's melons are mine and mine only >:(

L1250[16:06:42] <Izaya> >video

L1251[16:06:43] * Lizzy rubs her melons

L1252[16:06:47] <Inari> lewd

L1253[16:06:49] <Izaya> no but we've had some great copypasta

L1254[16:06:50] <vifino> MINE I SAID

L1255[16:07:03] <Lizzy> vifino, they are on loan to you

L1256[16:07:03] * vifino grabs Lizzy and hugs her tightly

L1257[16:07:07] * Lizzy eeps

L1258[16:07:14] <vifino> pfft, same difference :3

L1259[16:07:14] <Inari> lol

L1260[16:07:18] <Wiiplay123> something with pictures

L1261[16:07:20] <Izaya> oh nice I can tab out of skyrim and continue playing with the gamepad despite having xfce4-terminal focused

L1262[16:07:26] <Lizzy> lol

L1263[16:07:40] <Izaya> also

L1264[16:07:41] <Skye> Izaya, I swapped ctrl and capslock

L1265[16:07:43] <Izaya> >max settings

L1266[16:07:49] <Izaya> >graphical enhancements

L1267[16:07:50] <Skye> I also have different coloured WASD keys

L1268[16:07:51] <Izaya> >solid 60FPS

L1269[16:07:53] <Izaya> feels good

L1270[16:07:58] <Izaya> Skye: not hjkl?

L1271[16:08:07] <Inari> 60 psh

L1272[16:08:11] <Inari> what are you, a console peasant

L1273[16:08:16] <Izaya> I'm sorry my monitors are cheap

L1274[16:08:19] <Izaya> OH FUCK IT DIED

L1275[16:08:25] <Skye> Izaya, maybe when I'm able to order more stuff from the US

L1276[16:08:25] <Izaya> I guess I broke it this time around

L1277[16:08:31] <CompanionCube> what died - skyrim?

L1278[16:08:35] <Izaya> yeah

L1279[16:09:02] <vifino> Izaya: are you playing skyrim in wine? o_O

L1280[16:09:09] <Izaya> no

L1281[16:09:18] <vifino> skyrim has a linux port?

L1282[16:09:21] <vifino> waaaaat

L1283[16:09:24] <Izaya> using some very dark magic I'm running linux and windows on the same machine

L1284[16:09:33] <Izaya> at 100% perf for both

L1285[16:09:40] <Skye> Izaya, how?!

L1286[16:09:47] <vifino> oh, let me guess, vbox unity mode or something?

L1287[16:09:53] <vifino> i dunno.

L1288[16:09:54] <Izaya> no actually

L1289[16:10:04] <Izaya> I just have all my linux stuff X11 forwarded from a VMWare VM

L1290[16:10:05] <vifino> TELL ME IZAYA

L1291[16:10:13] <vifino> .-.

L1292[16:10:16] <Izaya> and I'm running LiteStep

L1293[16:10:22] <vifino> "100% performance"

L1294[16:10:32] <Izaya> 9001Mbps X11 forwarding

L1295[16:10:53] <vifino> but drm rendering, shared memory, etc?

L1296[16:11:28] <Wiiplay123> If OC has any graphics mode, it would be hilarious to do X11 forwarding

L1297[16:11:38] <Izaya> well it's better than xming anyway

L1298[16:11:42] <Inari> well

L1299[16:11:44] <Inari> OC has graphics..

L1300[16:11:52] <gamax92> since when?

L1301[16:11:56] <Inari> since unicode

L1302[16:12:00] <vifino> Izaya: what x11 server do you have on windows?

L1303[16:12:03] <gamax92> so it has text

L1304[16:12:14] <Inari> which is basically graphics since its pixel sized

L1305[16:12:15] <Inari> :P

L1306[16:12:53] <Izaya> vifino: VcXsrv

L1307[16:12:56] <vifino> Izaya: i hope the x11 server on windows supports glx

L1308[16:13:17] <Izaya> I haven't poked it tbh

L1309[16:13:25] <Izaya> I've been running xfce4-terminal, luakit and icedove

L1310[16:13:30] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300556E32CA2919C4CCC4E16611CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: I guess I have to go now. Bye ✔)

L1311[16:13:38] <Izaya> also xfce4-panel

L1312[16:15:40] <Dustpuppy> can someone explain, where i've made the mistake? http://imgur.com/a/geDet , http://pastebin.com/KZsdzeaJ

L1313[16:15:58] <vifino> Izaya: got a guide how to set it up and stuffs?

L1314[16:16:07] <vifino> cause I'd like that.

L1315[16:16:09] <Dustpuppy> why did i not get all 4 readings? the apiarys have all a quenn

L1316[16:16:25] <Dustpuppy> -n+e

L1317[16:16:37] <Izaya> vifino: I'm gonna write one

L1318[16:16:41] <vifino> :D

L1319[16:16:44] <Izaya> probably while I wait for skyrim to unfuck itself

L1320[16:16:52] <Izaya> THAT'LL TAKE A WHILE

L1321[16:16:57] <vifino> lol

L1322[16:19:48] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/12spZnE.png

L1323[16:20:39] <Lizzy> lol

L1324[16:21:52] <Izaya> so

L1325[16:22:03] <Izaya> do I install the model replacer, then FNIS, or FNIS then the model replacer?

L1326[16:22:14] <Wiiplay123> What was the pre-OpenOS 1.6 method of getting screen size

L1327[16:22:25] <Izaya> resolution

L1328[16:22:37] <Wiiplay123> yeah that

L1329[16:22:51] <Wiiplay123> I mean the function

L1330[16:23:24] <Izaya> component.gpu.getResolution()?

L1331[16:23:34] <Wiiplay123> yep that's it

L1332[16:23:36] <Wiiplay123> just found it :D

L1333[16:30:40] <CompanionCube> does any non-linux X11 server support GLX

L1334[16:30:49] <GreaseMonkey> BSD

L1335[16:30:59] <CompanionCube> any non-nix then

L1336[16:31:12] <GreaseMonkey> XMing IIRC does indirect GLX mode

L1337[16:31:55] * CompanionCube at one point used Bumptop

L1338[16:32:20] <CompanionCube> the 3D-ness was nice.

L1339[16:32:33] <Wiiplay123> same

L1340[16:33:03] <Forecaster> someone needs to recreate that for VR

L1341[16:33:04] <CompanionCube> the hardest part

L1342[16:33:10] <CompanionCube> was actually finding a working download

L1343[16:34:21] <Izaya> interesting

L1344[16:34:27] <Izaya> this file has a modification date of 1899

L1345[16:35:02] * Forecaster has an installer from way back

L1346[16:35:03] <CompanionCube> isn't the Windows epoch 1900 or something

L1347[16:35:34] <Forecaster> BumpTop-2,1-6225

L1348[16:35:38] <Forecaster> 2.1*

L1349[16:35:53] <Forecaster> Date Modified: 02-05-2010

L1350[16:36:38] <CompanionCube> UNIX has 01/0/1970

L1351[16:36:49] <CompanionCube> I think the Windows equivalent is 01/01/1900

L1352[16:37:10] <Izaya> that's stupid

L1353[16:37:25] <Izaya> why not just use UNIX time?

L1354[16:37:31] <gamax92> because Windows

L1355[16:37:48] <Forecaster> it's jan 1st 1601 apparently

L1356[16:38:13] <CompanionCube> that's even more random

L1357[16:38:24] <Forecaster> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_time#Operating_systems

L1358[16:38:35] <Forecaster> DOS was 1980

L1359[16:38:42] <Izaya> wouldn't it make more sense for the Windows epoch to be 1990 or 1992?

L1360[16:38:50] <Izaya> rather than 1601

L1361[16:38:56] <Forecaster> iOS is 2001?

L1362[16:38:58] <Forecaster> wat

L1363[16:39:09] <Skye> iOS is Unix

L1364[16:39:12] <gamax92> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10849717/what-is-the-significance-of-january-1-1601

L1365[16:39:49] <CompanionCube> 'The Gregorian calendar operates on a 400-year cycle, and 1601 is the first year of the cycle that was active at the time Windows NT was being designed. In other words, it was chosen to make the math come out nicely.'

L1366[16:41:25] <scj643> I like the Linux epoch

L1367[16:42:02] <scj643> 1466372524.524739

L1368[16:42:49] <scj643> Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969' is epoch for Linux

L1369[16:43:01] <Skye> Why

L1370[16:43:01] * Forecaster is tempted to install bumptop...

L1371[16:43:10] <scj643> Why not

L1372[16:43:22] <gamax92> You mean 1970-01-01, right?

L1373[16:43:32] <gamax92> erm, 19?

L1374[16:43:33] <CompanionCube> gamax92, Timezones.

L1375[16:43:34] <scj643> That's in my timezone

L1376[16:43:56] <gamax92> So? use the correct timezone and not your own :P

L1377[16:44:06] <CompanionCube> the epoch is in UTC, so it can appear as 1969 in some timezones

L1378[16:44:08] <scj643> EST

L1379[16:44:58] <Skye> GeeZ

L1380[16:45:04] <Skye> Just use GMT

L1381[16:45:16] <Lizzy> ^

L1382[16:45:19] <CompanionCube> isn't GMT equivalent to UTC

L1383[16:45:24] <Lizzy> CompanionCube, yes

L1384[16:45:27] <Forecaster> pretty much

L1385[16:45:34] <Lizzy> people keep saying it's different but it's not

L1386[16:45:35] <scj643> iOS uses an offset of epoch internally

L1387[16:45:44] <scj643> Atleast for app installs

L1388[16:45:47] <Forecaster> I read somewhere that GMT is essentially deprecated

L1389[16:46:02] <scj643> 978307200 is the offset

L1390[16:46:07] <CompanionCube> isn't it the term that might be deprecated

L1391[16:46:22] <Forecaster> term?

L1392[16:46:24] <Skye> UTC is based on atomic clocks

L1393[16:46:28] <Skye> Or something

L1394[16:46:33] <CompanionCube> Forecaster, the term 'GMT'

L1395[16:46:37] <CompanionCube> rather than the time itself

L1396[16:46:43] <g> ahahaha

L1397[16:46:44] <g> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/June/thunderbird_2016-06-19_22-46-32.png

L1398[16:46:48] <g> startcom trying to remain relevant

L1399[16:47:02] <Skye> GMT handles the leap second differently

L1400[16:47:02] <Skye> Or something

L1401[16:47:06] <CompanionCube> yep, the kicker is that they charge monies for revocation

L1402[16:47:09] <Forecaster> yeah, though there were some differences in the system itself if I recall correctly

L1403[16:47:10] <Lizzy> g, lol, i got one of those a while back

L1404[16:47:45] <Forecaster> "electronic mail message"

L1405[16:47:46] <Forecaster> wat

L1406[16:47:54] <Forecaster> who says that

L1407[16:48:01] <Forecaster> (nobody)

L1408[16:48:07] <Forecaster> (nobody says that)

L1409[16:48:10] <payonel> o/

L1410[16:48:29] <scj643> Email

L1411[16:48:29] <CompanionCube> Forecaster, maybe if you're intentionally trying to sound stuffy oor something

L1412[16:48:31] <CompanionCube> maybe

L1413[16:48:49] <Forecaster> or maybe if you use an ancient template

L1414[16:50:53] <Wiiplay123> So what are drones used for

L1415[16:51:00] <Wiiplay123> Do they have special sensors to follow players around

L1416[16:52:29] ⇨ Joins: TheFox (webchat@pool-108-4-75-56.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net)

L1417[16:52:37] <TheFox> o/

L1418[16:52:41] <Forecaster> no

L1419[16:52:50] <CompanionCube> yo

L1420[16:52:55] <gamax92> yo

L1421[16:53:06] <TheFox> whats up?

L1422[16:53:07] <CompanionCube> Wiiplay123, drones are used for whatever you program them to do

L1423[16:53:24] <TheFox> TheCryptek: Hey, you online i can help with that code

L1424[16:53:30] <Forecaster> they're like a cheaper, lighter and faster version of robots

L1425[16:54:15] <TheFox> ^^^ i totally agree, but there is less to work with when your programming them

L1426[16:54:16] <payonel> i want to try tfc (terrfirmacraft)

L1427[16:54:17] <payonel> with oc

L1428[16:54:19] <payonel> anyone tried?

L1429[16:54:25] <TheFox> nope

L1430[16:54:27] <Wiiplay123> But what's the advantage of them

L1431[16:54:32] <Wiiplay123> If they can't do anything to the world

L1432[16:54:39] <Skye> They can fly

L1433[16:54:40] <Forecaster> who said they can't?

L1434[16:54:44] <Izaya> huh

L1435[16:54:47] <Izaya> 1.10 was released

L1436[16:54:50] <TheCryptek> %tell TheFox I'm online now.

L1437[16:54:51] <Forecaster> they can pick up items

L1438[16:54:51] <TheFox> they can leash, and carry items, how about a mail system

L1439[16:54:52] <Izaya> how many months ago was this?

L1440[16:54:53] <MichiBot> TheCryptek: TheFox will be notified of this message when next seen.

L1441[16:54:58] <Wiiplay123> ooooh

L1442[16:55:01] <TheFox> that was kind a a fail TheCryptek

L1443[16:55:02] <Wiiplay123> that would be a good idea

L1444[16:55:06] * Izaya still hasn't played 1.8 or 1.9

L1445[16:55:06] <TheCryptek> Oh

L1446[16:55:08] <TheCryptek> Heh xD

L1447[16:55:11] <Forecaster> Izaya: old news

L1448[16:55:15] <payonel> Izaya: ha, same!

L1449[16:55:21] <payonel> Izaya: well, i played a LITTLE of 1.9

L1450[16:55:28] <payonel> got irritated with the new swing mechanics

L1451[16:55:33] <Izaya> I'm not interested in it until more mods

L1452[16:55:40] <Forecaster> ^

L1453[16:56:05] <Forecaster> I didn't like the auto-jump thing

L1454[16:56:07] <TheCryptek> That is why I stay on 1.8.9

L1455[16:56:08] <Forecaster> it's too floaty

L1456[16:56:14] <payonel> btw, i'm a father. today in the US is my day

L1457[16:56:16] <Forecaster> I'm still on 1.7

L1458[16:56:17] <payonel> just fyi all

L1459[16:56:21] <payonel> :)

L1460[16:56:24] <payonel> yay payo!

L1461[16:56:28] * Forecaster doesn't like children

L1462[16:56:32] <TheFox> Happy Fathers dat payonel

L1463[16:56:42] <TheFox> day

L1464[16:56:47] <payonel> :D thanks

L1465[16:56:50] <TheFox> np

L1466[16:56:54] <TheCryptek> payonel: Depends on the person I call it parent day. For mothers and fathers who are doing a double job cuzz they are single parents.

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L1468[16:57:46] <payonel> if they're doing double duty, why not just celebrate father's day AND mother's day for them? :)

L1469[17:03:37] <gamax92> MASHED POTATOS

L1470[17:03:43] <gamax92> oh sorry, just watching golf

L1471[17:04:13] <TheCryptek> payonel: Don't one up me ._. i hate it lol nice idea though!

L1472[17:04:14] <TheFox> gif's again, gamax92 you have an addiction

L1473[17:04:23] <gamax92> TheFox: what?

L1474[17:04:32] <TheFox> nvmd

L1475[17:04:59] <gamax92> TheFox: make more sense :|

L1476[17:05:01] <payonel> :)

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L1478[17:05:45] <gamax92> "Happy fathers day, you're a grandfather now."

L1479[17:05:52] <TheFox> im not a computer, im a fox, make more sense is a command for a computer

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L1481[17:08:45] * Lizzy curls up on vifino and dozes off to sleep

L1482[17:08:48] * vifino carries Lizzy to bed

L1483[17:10:01] <Izaya> I should... probably sleep some time soon

L1484[17:10:04] <Izaya> 8:15 AM

L1485[17:10:30] <CompanionCube> wow

L1486[17:10:31] <TheFox> are you an owl?

L1487[17:10:45] <CompanionCube> is it like summer vacation for you

L1488[17:11:17] <TheFox> is that question aimed at me or Izaya?

L1489[17:11:21] <CompanionCube> Izaya,

L1490[17:11:24] <TheFox> ok

L1491[17:11:38] <Izaya> no

L1492[17:11:41] <Izaya> it's a monday morning

L1493[17:11:47] <Izaya> on a school day

L1494[17:11:50] <CompanionCube> you are *so* fucked.

L1495[17:11:58] <Izaya> except I'm not going

L1496[17:12:00] <Izaya> so it's fine

L1497[17:12:07] <CompanionCube> lolwhy

L1498[17:12:11] <Izaya> sick

L1499[17:12:15] <TheFox> your lucky there

L1500[17:12:18] <gamax92> 'sick'

L1501[17:12:18] <CompanionCube> suuuure.

L1502[17:12:19] <Izaya> literally no voice

L1503[17:12:22] <TheFox> sick from sleep deprivation

L1504[17:12:26] <TheFox> ?

L1505[17:13:32] * CompanionCube hasn't stayed up past 5:30am in a long while

L1506[17:14:06] <TheFox> ^^^^

L1507[17:14:19] <TheFox> only when I'm dying to finish my code

L1508[17:14:29] <CompanionCube> on non-schooldays I typically get up around 1-2pm

L1509[17:14:39] <Temia> I've encountered scenarios where I suffered from insomnia and my body tried to shut down when I gave up and attempted to go about my day.

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L1511[17:16:03] <TheFox> yeah, that sounds like it might be bad news

L1512[17:16:25] <CompanionCube> Temia, honestly

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L1514[17:16:59] * CompanionCube found it was worse to worry about sleep and when you drift off / how much you get

L1515[17:17:02] <TheFox> interesting topic here today

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L1517[17:19:12] * CompanionCube felt better when he stopped making such a big deal about trying to get to sleep

L1518[17:19:29] <CompanionCube> putting on something boring and just listening until I drift off has been really nice :3

L1519[17:19:53] <TheFox> or just watch this IRC late at night, its pretty boring then to

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L1524[17:34:23] <TheFox> see, chat has died

L1525[17:34:35] <gamax92> your fault

L1526[17:35:18] <TheFox> im insulted!

L1527[17:35:21] <TheFox> :P

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L1530[17:44:51] <TheCryptek> Except for our PMs TheFox they are interesting :ooo

L1531[17:48:24] <TheFox> idont understand, are you saying the PM's are boring or chat isn't borin

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L1534[17:55:34] <TheCryptek> TheFox I am saying our pms are intersting

L1535[17:55:40] * TheCryptek licks his lips :o

L1536[17:57:19] <TheFox> um

L1537[17:57:26] <TheCryptek> Tis all jokes xD

L1538[17:57:40] <TheFox> ik

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L1540[18:00:43] * Izaya is writing an article

L1541[18:00:46] <Izaya> it's 9 AM

L1542[18:00:48] <Izaya> know what I need?

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L1544[18:01:28] <TheFox> coffee

L1545[18:01:40] <Izaya> Rum.

L1546[18:01:53] <TheFox> oh

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L1548[18:03:14] <TheCryptek> MMMM RUM

L1549[18:05:27] <payonel> as i make wiki changes

L1550[18:05:34] <payonel> and i have the option during save to mark it minor or not

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L1552[18:05:51] <payonel> and i think "well, it was almost no new content, just formatting, so minor change"

L1553[18:06:19] <payonel> but then i consider "oh except the freaking formatting took 4x longer to write than this content...MAJOR!"

L1554[18:07:22] <TheFox> yeah, um i guess a response to that would be good luck?

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L1556[18:14:54] <ping> vifino, usuk

L1557[18:14:58] <ping> @everything

L1558[18:15:01] <TheFox> hello ping

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L1561[18:57:49] * Saphire boops Sangar

L1562[18:59:52] <TheFox> hey saphire whats up?

L1563[19:00:13] <Saphire> dunno

L1564[19:00:33] <TheFox> anything new?

L1565[19:04:40] <gamax92> Part 4, Part 6, Part 6, Part 7

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L1567[19:06:29] <TheFox> ill be right back

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L1569[19:21:30] <TheFox> im back

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L1573[19:41:03] <Wiiplay123> how do I have the unlimited arguments in a function

L1574[19:41:22] <Wiiplay123> wait

L1575[19:41:36] <Wiiplay123> oh nvm I failed

L1576[19:41:39] <Wiiplay123> :D fixed

L1577[19:43:34] <Wiiplay123> use ({...}) not ({(...)})

L1578[19:44:36] <TheFox> be back after dinner

L1579[19:50:20] <ping> Wiiplay123, pretty sure (...) does nothing

L1580[19:50:31] <Wiiplay123> it gets the first value in function

L1581[19:50:41] <Wiiplay123> Which is useless

L1582[19:51:08] <ping> <> local function sex(...) serialize({(...)}) end return sex("penis", "vagina")

L1583[19:51:08] <^v> ping, nil

L1584[19:51:10] <ping> ok

L1585[19:51:13] <ping> just not return

L1586[19:51:15] <ping> that works too

L1587[19:51:32] <ping> <> local function sex(...) return serialize({(...)}) end return sex("penis", "vagina")

L1588[19:51:32] <^v> ping, {"penis"}

L1589[19:51:35] <ping> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

L1590[19:51:38] <ping> ok you are right

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L1593[20:11:14] <TheFox> %P

L1594[20:11:16] <MichiBot> Ping reply from TheFox 1.22s

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L1596[20:28:20] <ds84182> ...

L1597[20:29:55] <TheCryptek> %P

L1598[20:29:57] <MichiBot> Ping reply from TheCryptek 0.28s

L1599[20:30:24] <TheFox> hey, your over here now

L1600[20:30:38] <TheCryptek> I'm every where.

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L1605[21:32:45] <TheCryptek> Is MichiBot Limnoria?

L1606[21:33:33] <TheCryptek> %ping

L1607[21:33:34] <MichiBot> Ping reply from TheCryptek 0.31s

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L1609[21:38:09] <TheFox> ok, maybe I'm drawing a blank, serialization.unserialize() converts a string to a table

L1610[21:39:06] <TheFox> this i am sure of, so why is it returning nil D:<

L1611[21:43:21] <TheCryptek> I think, they are all dead xD

L1612[21:43:31] <TheFox> your probably right

L1613[21:43:46] * TheFox starts with cadaver dog

L1614[21:43:51] <ping> TheFox, make sure the value you are passing to it is actually a serialized table?

L1615[21:44:14] <TheFox> i do believe it is

L1616[21:44:37] <TheFox> how ever let me try commenting that line out, maybe a previous line did more then i thought it did

L1617[21:45:12] <TheCryptek> TheFox: I gotta fly.

L1618[21:45:54] <TheFox> ok see you later TheCryptek

L1619[21:45:58] <TheFox> ping, it is a string

L1620[21:46:15] <TheFox> like i thought it would be, then if i unserialize it it should make it a table correct?

L1621[21:47:29] <TheFox> ping are you there?

L1622[21:48:01] <ping> TheFox, if the string is "" it would return nil

L1623[21:48:23] <TheFox> the string is a address for a modem, its a full table

L1624[21:49:09] <TheFox> i think ik whats happening

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L1626[22:00:19] <payonel> ~w loot

L1627[22:00:19] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/api:robot

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L1630[22:25:17] <TheFox> can the Serialization library handle table values with - in time like {{a-b = 3},{c-d = t}}

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L1633[22:32:02] <gamax92> TheFox: that's not a valid table anyway but okay

L1634[22:32:59] <payonel> TheFox: yes, but you have to quote names and put then in []

L1635[22:33:13] <payonel> #lua t={["a-b"]=3}

L1636[22:33:13] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1637[22:33:15] <payonel> #lua t

L1638[22:33:16] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > table: 0x7f79cc083c50

L1639[22:33:23] <payonel> #lua t["a-b"]

L1640[22:33:23] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 3

L1641[22:37:28] <TheFox> if i show you what i have could you tell me if its correct?

L1642[22:37:43] <TheFox> payonel?

L1643[22:37:49] <payonel> sure

L1644[22:37:55] <TheFox> ok, thanks

L1645[22:39:14] <TheFox> www.pastebin.com/6hrzjbdl

L1646[22:41:02] <payonel> TheFox: mean while, skim over my recent addition: http://ocdoc.cil.li/openos

L1647[22:41:27] <TheFox> sounds like a fair trade

L1648[22:41:31] <payonel> yes, your code is fine except you have to [] and quote your non simple text keys

L1649[22:41:56] <TheFox> i like reading your additions, what do you mean, {["the-computer-address"]}

L1650[22:42:29] <payonel> {{["3e3df399-354d04fa2-8d14-14c413891co"]=testing, {fake=none}}

L1651[22:42:29] <Corded> payonel: 8d14 = 47 ( 3, 12, 10, 9, 5, 1, 1, 6 ) ~ 5.9

L1652[22:42:37] * payonel throws Corded out the window

L1653[22:43:01] <payonel> note that in that example, using testing and none, the lua interpreter will resolve the values of the variables

L1654[22:43:04] <payonel> or nil if they are undefined

L1655[22:43:25] <payonel> if testing and/or none are to be text/strings, they must be quoted

L1656[22:43:41] <payonel> the only time a table definition does not need to quote a string is simple text, like fake

L1657[22:44:32] <payonel> what do i mean {["the-computer-address"]}? what is this asking?

L1658[22:45:08] <payonel> the only time a table definition does not need to quote a string is simple text FOR A KEY

L1659[22:45:11] <payonel> is what i meant

L1660[22:47:27] <TheFox> payonel: i got the same error, bad argument #1 in pairs expected table, got nil

L1661[22:47:42] <TheFox> i will work on copying the code to pastebin as i dont want to release the rest of the code

L1662[22:47:50] <payonel> :) ok

L1663[22:48:47] <TheFox> overtime i release all my code, someone steals it and calls it there own, I'm not saying you will I'm saying someone else will

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L1667[22:55:01] <TheFox> http://pastebin.com/8X7u0y8d minus a couple commands i used to print to the screen this is the code that is messing up

L1668[22:57:21] <payonel> sorry was afk, reading now

L1669[22:57:42] <TheFox> ok, not a problem, thanks for your help

L1670[22:58:17] <payonel> and what are the contents of trusted.tbl ?

L1671[22:58:30] <TheFox> www.pastebin.com/6hrzjbdl

L1672[22:58:40] <TheFox> hold on

L1673[22:58:41] <TheFox> thats not it

L1674[22:59:10] <TheFox> i think you found it, hang on

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L1676[22:59:58] <TheFox> mmmmm. yeah, you found it

L1677[23:00:17] <TheFox> I'm sorry about that, i forgot to save it after i change that value

L1678[23:00:49] <payonel> if forgot to close my table above, missing } btw

L1679[23:00:59] <payonel> {{["3e3df399-354d04fa2-8d14-14c413891co"]=testing}, {fake=none}}

L1680[23:01:00] <Corded> payonel: 8d14 = 60 ( 5, 12, 9, 12, 10, 1, 1, 10 ) ~ 7.5

L1681[23:01:04] <payonel> asdfk;fk;sdfa;skldf

L1682[23:01:24] <payonel> Magik6k: you awake?

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L1684[23:02:47] <gamax92> #lua math.random(1,1024).."d"..math.random(1,1024)

L1685[23:02:48] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 995d777

L1686[23:02:59] <gamax92> #lua math.random(1,128).."d"..math.random(1,128)

L1687[23:02:59] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 47d78

L1688[23:03:00] <Corded> |0xDEADBEEF|: 47d78 = 2029 ~ 43.2

L1689[23:06:25] <TheFox> is that a bot that does that?

L1690[23:06:53] <TheFox> #lua print("hello")

L1691[23:06:58] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > hello | nil

L1692[23:07:03] <TheFox> hey it does work

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L1694[23:09:25] <TheFox> what can the "lua bot" do, all things lua or just 1 line at a time?

L1695[23:10:21] <Saphire> awell

L1696[23:10:30] <Saphire> you probably can do multilines with it..

L1697[23:10:50] <Saphire> if you cut the script into pieces and cat them together after inputting them all in

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L1701[23:21:12] <TheFox> HEY, i didn't notice you where online. thanks for the tip any idea what plugin it is?

L1702[23:21:17] <TheFox> or is it a bot

L1703[23:23:14] <TheFox> my error messages dont reveal anything important. maybe i should rework them a little bit

L1704[23:31:04] <TheFox> tables in lua start at 1 right, its been quite a while, and i keep getting lua and JS mixed up

L1705[23:41:28] <snowden89> :( i dont have any idea what to do with the limited programming knowledge i have

L1706[23:41:37] <snowden89> as I dont do anything :(

L1707[23:42:39] <snowden89> at most i scrape shares info for the ones i keep

L1708[23:43:11] <snowden89> and any attempt at making a finance thing seems to pale in comparison to GNU Cash

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