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L5[00:16:32] <chikken> Hey is there a way to
mak a algorithim to try random combinations of numbers and
letters?
L6[00:16:58] <chikken> im trying to make a
program that will try and dial any stargate it can
L7[00:25:33] <greaser|q> there is no way at
all.
L8[00:25:38] <greaser|q> ...lemme find the
docs
L9[00:26:05] <Izaya> basically figure out
the range of characters
L10[00:26:07] <chikken> there is
101,559,956,668,416 combinations of what a stargate could be
L11[00:26:10] <Izaya> convert those to
numbers
L12[00:26:14] <greaser|q> chikken: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/manual.html#pdf-math.random
L13[00:26:40] <Izaya> incriment each
number, when one rolls over incriment the next one
L14[00:26:43] <Izaya> etc etc
L15[00:26:44] <greaser|q> with that said
you probably won't be able to get any random stargates unless you
can find flaws in the random number generator
L16[00:26:53] <Izaya> I wrote a program
that would dial stargates at one point
L17[00:26:55] <Izaya> never found any
L18[00:27:01] <Izaya> but there were only 3
in the world
L19[00:27:13] <chikken> its not that hard
to make one dial
L20[00:27:17] <chikken> but this way sounds
fun :P
L21[00:27:33] <greaser|q> it would be more
fun if there were, say, 65,536 possible combinations
L22[00:27:37] <chikken> hacking into other
peoples stargates to freak them out
L23[00:27:52] <chikken> im using open
computers if that helps any
L24[00:28:04] <greaser|q> brute force won't
cut it, you will need to find some way to get someone's gate
L25[00:28:05] <chikken> oh wait this is the
chat :P
L26[00:28:18] <greaser|q> are you allowed
access to debug cards? they *might* be of use
L27[00:28:20] <Saphire> xD
L28[00:28:29] <Saphire> chikken: we all use
OC here :P
L29[00:28:43] <chikken> i could make a
table with 1-36 each be a letter and a number
L30[00:28:53] <greaser|q> that's probably a
good approach
L31[00:28:58] <chikken>
1,1,1,1-1,1,1-1,1
L32[00:29:17] <chikken> thats gonna be
annoying math ;-;
L33[00:29:21] <greaser|q> use a lookup
table to convert those numbers to numbers/letters
L34[00:31:26] <chikken> oh boy my mind
;-;
L35[00:32:14] <chikken> maybe the
math.random would work better than incrementing
L36[00:32:28] <greaser|q> it's easier to
work out
L37[00:32:57] <chikken> 101,559,956,668,416
combinations is alot lol
L38[00:32:58] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L39[00:33:00] <greaser|q> but yeah if you
want to dial other peoples' stargates... hmm, is this a creative
server or what?
L40[00:33:16] <chikken> its peacful its
just to mess around
L41[00:33:21] <chikken> no one uses
computers
L42[00:33:25] <chikken> im the only one
xD
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L44[00:35:11] <chikken> how many do you
think it could guess a second lol?
L45[00:35:28] <greaser|q> not enough
L46[00:35:31] <chikken> if you did random
math and it rejected it instantly how fast do the computers run
anyone know? :P
L47[00:35:39] <greaser|q> it's slightly
larger than 2^45 combinations
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L50[00:36:44] <greaser|q> i recall doing
two sums or something like that and looping through 2^32
combinations in i386 assembly on a GM45 laptop, it took about 3
seconds
L51[00:36:55] <chikken> if it did 10 a
second it woul take 326,517 years
L52[00:37:57] <greaser|q> using that notion
for it to go through 2^46 values it would take about half a
day
L53[00:38:35] <greaser|q> but consider that
the computer is 1. doing almost nothing in a loop, 2. running the
loops in native code, and 3. doing everything in registers as
integers
L54[00:38:54] <greaser|q> oh, and 4. no
outside memory accesses, everything running within cache
L55[00:39:09] <greaser|q> chances are you'd
be doing 10 a second
L56[00:39:23] <greaser|q> and that's mostly
because of OC API limits, not because OC is that slow
L57[00:40:07] <greaser|q> OC itself can
probably what you're proposing at, uhh, maybe 100,000 a second?
you're still going to take many many years to dial everything
L58[00:41:06] <chikken> 32 lol i cant wait
that long xD
L59[00:41:56] <greaser|q> in reality, the
API limits will limit you to probably no more than 1,000 a
second
L60[00:42:07] <greaser|q> so you'll be dead
by the time it would theoretically be finished
L61[00:42:15] <chikken> math.random(0,
999999999) the zeros dont matter l
L62[00:42:17] <greaser|q> and your computer
will be completely rooted before it can finish
L63[00:42:20] <Izaya> The idea would be to
divide up the task between a bunch of computers
L64[00:42:35] <Izaya> or like
L65[00:42:47] <chikken> how would i make
sure it returned a nine digit number?
L66[00:42:48] <Izaya> abuse worldedit to
find blocks or something
L67[00:43:08] <chikken> i could do a server
rack
L68[00:43:21] <chikken> all dialing the
gate at once
L69[00:43:40] <chikken> when one connected
says established it'll save it in the eeprom
L70[00:45:18] <chikken> greaser|q: how
would i make sure math.random returned a nine digit number
L71[00:46:09] <greaser|q>
math.random(0,999999999) theoretically
L72[00:46:35] <chikken> but that wont
always return a nine digit number i tested
L73[00:46:55] <greaser|q> convert to a
string and do math.random(0, 9) 9 times
L74[00:47:02] <greaser|q> use a for
loop
L75[00:47:33] <chikken> actually i would
want to do 0,36
L76[00:47:44] <chikken> i just realized id
have to do it that way
L77[00:47:56] <greaser|q> you would want to
do 1,36 because arrays are 1-based
L78[00:48:24] <chikken> ahh alright
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L83[01:06:01] <Saphire> http://imgur.com/gallery/i4nZxmE
L84[01:06:03] <Saphire> huh
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L86[01:09:45] <chikken> do local charLookup
= [ not work lol
L87[01:09:53] <chikken> it says unexpected
symbol "["
L88[01:20:37] <chikken> greaser|q: could
you help me?
L89[01:21:34] <chikken> i have it listed
below 1=36 each counting up in characters 1 = 1, 2 = 2, .... 11 =
"a", 12 = "b"
L90[01:22:47] <chikken> oh i see open
computers uses {} instead
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L92[01:48:43] <Xilandro> Welp, time to
leave a program to run forever
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L95[01:52:06] <Xilandro> #lua function
cointoss(times) local heads = 0 tails = 0 for flips = 1, (times or
1) do coin = math.random(2) if coin == 1 then heads = heads + 1
else tails = tails + 1 end end return heads, tails end
L96[01:52:10] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil
L97[01:52:15] <Xilandro> #lua return
cointoss(100)
L98[01:52:16] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 48 |
52
L99[01:52:30] <Xilandro> Okay, now
L100[01:52:56] <Xilandro> I gotta figure
out how to get it to do that repeatedly until heads == tails
L101[01:54:32] <Xilandro> #lua
cointoss(2)
L102[01:54:32] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 2 |
0
L103[01:54:37] <Xilandro> #lua
cointoss(2)
L104[01:54:37] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 2 |
0
L105[01:54:39] <Xilandro> #lua
cointoss(2)
L106[01:54:39] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 1 |
1
L107[01:54:43] <Xilandro> Welp
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L115[02:50:50] <Xilandro> #lua
cointoss(10000)
L116[02:50:50] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Error:
Took too long.
L117[02:50:53] <Xilandro> #lua
cointoss(1000)
L118[02:50:53] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 504 |
496
L119[02:52:22] <Xilandro> #lua
cointoss(1000)[1]
L120[02:52:22] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string
"lua"]:1: attempt to index a number value
L121[02:52:24] <Xilandro> err
L122[02:52:32] <Xilandro> I can't Lua when
I'm tired x.x
L123[03:31:02] <payonel> 21d7
L124[03:31:03] <Corded> payonel:
21d7 = 80 ~ 3.8
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L134[04:27:18] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/i7OXMK8 thats... cool
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L136[04:42:31] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/3SLmpvs.jpg
L137[04:49:36] <Vexatos> that must
hurt
L138[04:49:38] <Vexatos> poor snake
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L141[04:54:36] <chikken> Vexatos: you seem
to be someone on here right now who could help haha
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L143[04:55:49] <Inari> help with?
L144[04:56:12] <chikken> http://pastebin.com/vyzfTkQ0
L145[04:56:21] <chikken> im working on a
stargate cracker
L146[04:56:37] <chikken> it works but how
can i get it to not error out when it dials a stargate thats
invalid
L147[04:57:07] <Inari> well if it actaully
does a lua error.. pcall
L148[04:58:02] <chikken> http://puu.sh/oB2je/e38387d783.png
L149[04:58:39] <Izaya>
worked=pcall(dial)
L150[04:58:45] <Izaya> wait
L151[04:58:55] <Inari> lol
L152[04:58:56] <Izaya>
worked=pcall(sg.dial,addr)
L153[04:59:14] <chikken> whats worked
from?
L154[04:59:16] <Inari> your program wont
have much chance at suceeding btw
L155[04:59:22] <chikken> oh no i know
lol
L156[04:59:27] <chikken> its just for
fun
L157[04:59:36] <Inari> worked is the
variable you're assigning the return value of pcall
L158[04:59:47] <Inari> could also be
called cthuko
L159[04:59:51] <chikken> but atleast it
works :P
L160[05:00:01] <chikken> so basically
thats the error if its a error?
L161[05:00:03] <Inari> by checking worked
you know if it errored or not
L162[05:00:03] <Izaya> pcall will return
either true or false depending on whether it crashes or not
L163[05:00:15] <chikken> thats actually
what i need
L164[05:00:28] <chikken> because i want it
to store the data of any stargate it actually picks up
L165[05:00:28] <Izaya> also you might want
to incriment the numbers
L166[05:00:37] <chikken> what do you mean
?
L167[05:01:01] <Izaya> hm
L168[05:01:03] <Izaya> well
L169[05:01:08] <Izaya> with the random
way
L170[05:01:21] <Izaya> instead of having
defined behavior
L171[05:01:25] <Izaya> it'll just dial
random ones
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L173[05:01:33] <Izaya> if you
incriment
L174[05:01:38] <Inari> if you
increment
L175[05:01:39] <Izaya> at least with
LanteaCraft stargates
L176[05:01:42] <Inari> counting the sleep
time of 0.2
L177[05:01:47] <Izaya> shh
L178[05:01:48] <Inari> you'll be done in
about 253 million yhears
L179[05:02:09] <Izaya> but anyway if you
incrememnt you'll be more likley to find stargates in adjacent
chunks
L180[05:02:11] <chikken> we already did
that math ;-;
L181[05:02:16] <chikken> its 32
years
L182[05:02:24] <Inari> 32 how?
L183[05:02:39] <chikken> if you had a
server rack do this
L184[05:03:08] <Inari> so 4 things
dialing?
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L186[05:03:58] <Inari> or what do you mean
with serve rrack doing this
L187[05:04:36] <chikken> several computers
at once lol
L188[05:04:45] <Inari> yeah.. but 4 are in
a rack
L189[05:04:54] <Izaya> if you were in
survival you'd be better off throwing uCs at it
L190[05:04:56] <Inari> iirc
L191[05:04:57] <Izaya> cheaper
L192[05:05:05] <Izaya> also
L193[05:05:08] <Inari> uhhh
L194[05:05:12] <chikken> ucs?
L195[05:05:17] <Inari> ucs cant use
external components though?
L196[05:05:19] <Izaya> >750 bytes for a
counter
L197[05:05:21] <Izaya> Inari: ...
L198[05:05:24] <Izaya> shush
L199[05:05:30] <Izaya> throw T1 computers
at it
L200[05:05:41] <Inari> lets say you used
64 computers
L201[05:05:48] <Izaya> EEPROM and a T1
stick of RAM and a T1 processor
L202[05:06:25] <Inari> thats still 10000
years
L204[05:08:06] <chikken> http://puu.sh/oB2Hf/c1593918db.png
L205[05:08:17] <chikken> that was in 30
seconds :P
L206[05:08:43] <Inari> you'd need 20127
pcs for 32 years
L207[05:08:51] <chikken> and assuming a
server rack can have all four servers outputing on the same
stargate dialer
L208[05:09:09] <chikken> You all have to
barge in on my fun! Let me have it!
L209[05:09:20] <chikken> the one chance it
works ill be happy xD
L210[05:09:30] <Inari> with your earlier
code thats BS
L211[05:09:36] <Inari> 30/0.2 is 150
L212[05:09:41] <Inari> it cant have done
700something
L213[05:09:45] <chikken> i got rid of the
.2
L214[05:09:49] <Inari> :P
L215[05:09:53] <Inari> thats an importnat
criteria
L216[05:09:56] <chikken> that .2 was so i
can read the letters and make sure it was changing
L217[05:09:57] <Izaya> Also don't output
stats
L218[05:10:07] <Inari> so 30/0.05?
L219[05:10:08] <Izaya> That uses component
calls
L220[05:10:21] <Inari> might be quicker,
not sure if it can call it multiple times a tick
L221[05:10:44] <Izaya> Output a . for
every thousand or so
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L223[05:10:52] <Inari> you sure it wasnt
40s?
L224[05:11:18] <chikken> it'd also be
quicker if i changed the for loop to somehow do all the chevron
guess's at once
L225[05:11:45] <Inari> but even with 64
pcs at 0.05 per thing its 251`6 years
L226[05:11:49] <Izaya> precompute all the
values?
L227[05:12:22] <Izaya> 36^7, right?
L228[05:12:35] <Inari> ^9?
L229[05:12:48] <Izaya> #calc
36^7/1024
L230[05:12:57] <Izaya> #calc
36^7/1024
L231[05:13:00] <Izaya> Gah
L232[05:13:03] <Izaya> Phone
L233[05:13:13] <Inari> #lua
math.pow(36,7)/1024
L234[05:13:13] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
76527504.0
L235[05:13:14] <Izaya> %calc
36^9/1024
L236[05:13:15] <MichiBot> Izaya:
99,179,645,184
L237[05:13:58] <Izaya> %calc
36^9/1024/1024
L238[05:13:59] <MichiBot> Izaya:
96,855,122.25
L239[05:14:06] <Izaya> %calc
36^9/1024/1024/1024
L240[05:14:06] <MichiBot> Izaya:
94,585.08
L241[05:14:17] <Izaya> You'd need 94GB
RAM
L242[05:14:21] <Inari> haha
L243[05:14:26] <Izaya> 97*
L244[05:14:34] <Izaya> What
L245[05:14:37] <Izaya> Uh
L246[05:14:44] <Izaya> 96
L247[05:14:53] <Izaya> 95
L248[05:14:57] <Izaya> Anyway a lot
L249[05:14:58] <Inari> getting lower
L250[05:15:30] <Izaya> And you can get up
to 8MB in OC
L251[05:15:31] <Izaya> so
L252[05:15:51] <Izaya> precomputing is a
Bad(TM) idea
L253[05:16:16] <Inari> nah
L254[05:16:19] <Inari> you just need 12k
pcs
L255[05:30:01] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/62Eqice wat
L256[05:30:53] <chikken> it'd also help to
know that the last two digits on the stargate dont change and dont
matter
L257[05:31:00] <chikken> so take two
digits off that time lol
L258[05:33:08] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/FzBTG1z o.o
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L261[05:50:48] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/eG2EEtT.gif in hell
L262[05:59:25] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_HAmWQTgA thats
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L272[07:09:50] <LuMistry> Greetings
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L280[07:50:15] <S3> So I am working on
figuring out how intra-tier loops will work for OCRANET
switching
L281[07:50:37] <S3> In tier one, I think I
will use PIM sparse multicast
L282[07:51:12] *
vifino groans and snuggles Lizzy
L283[07:51:17] <S3> but in MC or anywhere
else there needs to be a slower, and less efficient, but working
way to put all the same tier nodes on a "loop"
L284[07:51:52] *
Lizzy groans as she is awoken by vifino
L285[07:55:04] <Inari> why did you have to
name it after food
L286[07:56:57] <S3> I think in MC all of
the tier nodes will be on the same component wire (I would hope) so
then, I guess a network card broadcast would work? :)
L287[07:56:59] <S3> but
L288[07:57:13] <S3> what about those who
run outside of MC but don't have multicast routing
L289[07:57:33] *
Inari pokes Temia to see if she is awake
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L292[08:07:21] *
Inari decides Temia isn't, carefully takes her tail and dips the
tuft into paint, using it as a brush to paint a picture of vifino
and Lizzy groaning together
L293[08:08:04] <gAway2002> lewd
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L295[08:09:50] *
Saphire gasps and tackles the moo
L296[08:09:57] <Saphire> awwe
L297[08:10:01] <Saphire> not awake
:c
L298[08:10:20] *
Saphire nibbles on Inari
L299[08:10:27] <Inari> Oo
L300[08:10:51] *
Inari dips Temia's paint carrying tailtuft on Saphire's
nose
L301[08:10:52] <Inari> baka
L302[08:10:59] *
Lizzy also nibbles on Inari
L303[08:11:04] <Inari> ~.~
L304[08:11:14] <Inari> im not food
youknow
L305[08:11:22] <Lizzy> yes you are
L306[08:11:23] <Inari> me !=
inari-zushi
L307[08:11:58] *
Saphire licks the paint off her nose "Needs more
irony"
L308[08:12:04] <Inari> :P
L309[08:12:43] *
Inari sticks caramel-coated cotton-candy-apples into Lizzy's and
Saphire's motuhs
L310[08:12:45] <Inari> nibble on
that
L311[08:13:16] *
Lizzy spits out and goes back to nibbling Inari
L312[08:13:25] <Inari> :<
L313[08:13:34] <Lizzy> :3
L314[08:13:48] *
Saphire nibbles it. Then again. Then eats all of it and then
nibbles Inari to get more
L315[08:14:01] <Inari> ~.~
L316[08:14:23] *
Inari sticks a jawbreaker into Saphire's mouth?
L317[08:15:05] *
Saphire cracks it and eats all of it in few bited
L318[08:15:10] <Saphire> *bites
L319[08:15:13] <Inari> ...
L320[08:15:16] *
Inari ballgags Saphire
L321[08:15:17] <Inari> solved
L322[08:15:33] <Saphire> kinky~
L323[08:15:33] <Inari> :P
L324[08:15:41] <Inari> Lizzy: whats so
tasty about me even
L325[08:15:49] <Lizzy> human
L326[08:15:53] <Inari> psh
L327[08:15:55] <Inari> im a goddess
L328[08:16:09] <Lizzy> still taste
nie
L329[08:16:11] <Lizzy> nice
L330[08:16:14] *
Saphire pawd at the gag, trying to get it off D;
L331[08:16:19] <Saphire> *:
L332[08:16:32] <Saphire> phine-kbd-shift
fail
L333[08:16:37] <Saphire> *phone'=
L334[08:16:40] <Saphire> gah
L335[08:17:40] <Inari> for a moment it
hought you were trying to imitate how someone gagged muffles
L336[08:17:43] <Inari> *speaks
muffled
L337[08:17:50] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhmK6Oo29Pw
L338[08:17:51] <MichiBot> Melting A
Giant Jawbreaker | length: 1m 24s | Likes: 923 Dislikes: 7
Views: 194695 | by LET'S MELT THIS
L339[08:19:16] *
Saphire nibbles trough gag and proceeds to nibble Inari's
hand
L340[08:19:23] <Inari> D:
L341[08:20:10] <Saphire> muahaha
L342[08:20:30] <Saphire> *nibbling
intensifies*
L343[08:21:35] *
Inari whips Saphire with Temia's tail
L344[08:23:02] *
Saphire slurps paint off the tail and licks Inari's nose
o.o
L345[08:24:02] *
Inari just empties 3 paint buckets over herself, Lizzy and
Saphire
L346[08:24:02] <Inari> there
L347[08:24:04] <Inari> happy?
L348[08:24:30] <Lizzy> ¬_¬
L349[08:25:06] *
vifino drags Lizzy off to the shower
L350[08:25:25] *
Saphire gasps and nodnods, licking paint off Inari :P
L351[08:25:31] <Inari> x.x
L352[08:25:38] <Saphire> ^.^
L353[08:25:43] <Inari> someone get this
nibbling thing off of me
L354[08:25:52] <Saphire> Nuuuh
L355[08:26:01] *
Lizzy gumbles
L356[08:26:27] *
Saphire hides behind Inari, shaking paint off
L357[08:26:31] <Inari> vifino: have a fun
lewd shower
L358[08:26:48] <vifino> :3
L359[08:27:25] <Saphire> heh
L360[08:27:29] <Saphire> ^
L361[08:28:20] *
Saphire nibbles on double-painted Inari
L362[08:29:15] *
Skye turns on the sprinkler system
L363[08:29:16] <Skye> oh...
L364[08:31:03] *
Saphire sighs and flops under the sprinkler, washing paint off
herself
L365[08:31:10] <Inari> :p
L366[08:33:37] *
Saphire boops baka Inari
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L368[08:34:08] *
Inari drinks a potion to grow a spade tail and slaps Saphire around
with it
L369[08:34:10] *
Skye climbs into the ceiling to avoid being soaked
L370[08:34:21] <Inari> TIL Skye is ceiling
cat
L371[08:34:23] <Skye> wat
L372[08:34:48] *
Saphire gasps and squeees, nibbling the tail ^^
L373[08:34:51] <Skye> Inari, no, just a
sysadmin. :P
L374[08:34:54] <Inari> D:
L375[08:35:04] *
Inari slaps Saphire more
L376[08:35:05] *
EnderBot2 chuckles
L377[08:35:10] <Inari> thats a sensitive
piece, baka :P
L378[08:35:18] <Saphire> lewd~
L379[08:35:22] *
Skye directs Saphire to nibble on EnderBot2
L380[08:35:31] <Inari> "into
ceiling" is http://akari.in/pinky_d5wk7
L381[08:35:35] <Saphire> *tail nibbling
intensifies*
L382[08:35:58] <Inari> ~.~
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L385[08:36:24] <Skye> Inari, yep, that's
my mental image of being in the ceiling
L386[08:36:33] <Inari> Skye: hence you're
ceiling cat
L387[08:36:52] *
Skye drops network cables
L388[08:36:58] <Inari> haha
L389[08:37:07] <Saphire> xD
L390[08:37:16] *
Inari puts Saphire onto the tingletron
L391[08:38:06] <Saphire> tingle.. tron?
wuh
L392[08:38:13] <Inari> http://s280.photobucket.com/user/bigclivedotcom/media/tickle2.gif.html
L393[08:38:54] <Skye> is it deadly
L394[08:39:04] <Inari> potentially?
L395[08:39:12] <Saphire> xD
L396[08:39:17] <Saphire> punny
L397[08:39:26] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR6g38Pxwog
L398[08:39:26] <MichiBot> Avoiding
electrocution (Featuring real electric shocks.) | length:
17m 31s | Likes: 897
Dislikes: 19 Views: 40608 |
by bigclivedotcom
L399[08:42:28] *
Saphire nibbles on the electricity of tingletron
L400[08:46:54] <S3> man this problem is
bothering me
L401[08:47:29] <Inari> problem?
L402[08:48:23] <Skye> S3, networking is
confusion
L403[08:50:03] <S3> Inari: I need a simple
protocol or solution for placing multiple ISP switches on the same
loop wire
L404[08:50:09] <S3> outside of MC
L405[08:50:13] <S3> inside of MC it is
easy
L406[08:50:33] <Saphire> :\
L407[08:50:35] <Saphire> why
L408[08:50:54] <S3> Because that is just
how the PSTN works
L409[08:51:12] <Inari> so
L410[08:51:15] <Inari> what solutoin doe
sthe PSTN use
L411[08:51:25] <S3> physical
hardware
L412[08:51:38] <Inari> uaw rhr
L413[08:51:38] <S3> It is literally a
"loop"
L414[08:51:41] <Inari> use that
L415[08:51:42] <Inari> :D
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L417[08:51:53] <S3> Not practical
L418[08:52:38] <S3> The complications are
as follows: if a switch goes down, traffic must be able to continue
as long as the route to a higher tier on a path that requires it or
lower is not severed
L419[08:53:07] <Inari> what are you even
doing
L420[08:53:50] <S3> working on tier loop
propagation for outside of MC ocranet networking
L421[08:53:51] <Saphire> robust
networking?
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L423[08:55:56] <S3> This is kind of how it
works: http://docstore.mik.ua/univercd/illus/1/57/101557.jpg
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L425[08:55:58] <S3> thing is
L426[08:56:09] <S3> each circle in there
has more than one switch (or can)
L427[08:56:17] <S3> and they are all at
the same level of propagation, on a loop
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L430[08:57:20] <S3> with tier one, I can
expect us to use PIM, but again that is not redundant
L431[08:57:43] <S3> I need some sort of
built in fallback
L432[08:58:39] <S3> Inari: in ocranet
(this is the same with real networks of this type, not ethernet)
the outer who knows where to route information could be any in the
loop.
L433[08:58:48] <S3> the router(*
L434[08:59:07] <S3> this promotes
redundancy in case the switch goes down
L435[08:59:45] <S3> when a PNNI switch
goes down, what happens is that the loop members quickly make a
vote on who is going to be the new primary routing switch
L436[09:01:01] <Saphire> cjdns is
p2p
L437[09:01:29] <Saphire> and it's ipv6,
tunneling network
L438[09:01:37] <Saphire> S3: ^?
L439[09:01:50] <Stary2001> cjdns is kinda
cool
L440[09:02:05] <S3> yeah. For DNS,
CompanionCube has a solution
L441[09:02:23] <S3> which is very useful
for us actually, because it is 100% address family
independant.
L442[09:02:28] <CompanionCube> you
pinged?
L443[09:02:36] <S3> ^
L444[09:02:54] <S3> I thought you were
sleeping lol
L445[09:03:52] <S3> Saphire: cjdns is too
large
L446[09:03:57] <S3> too much
overhead
L447[09:04:11] <S3> it's pretty nifty and
not very heavy on a high bandwidth network
L448[09:04:15] <S3> but this is a low
bandwidth network
L449[09:04:43] <S3> also this is circuit
switching
L450[09:09:06] <Saphire> :c
L451[09:10:07] <S3> Another large problem
with using cjdns for routing is that ocranet is tiered, and I need
something I can develop so that no additional software is
required
L452[09:10:52] <Inari> the number of tabs
is climbing :x
L453[09:10:59] <S3> ?
L454[09:11:43] <Lizzy> Inari's lewd
stuff
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L456[09:12:18] <Inari> nah
L457[09:12:20] <S3> A great benefit though
of my design is that loops can be really, really large
geometrically, allowing for higher bandwidth than if I were to not
useloops at all
L458[09:12:33] <Inari> i started with a
song on youtube and opened all the "recommended videos"
that are also songs i know and dont dislike
L459[09:12:36] <Inari> and kept doing
that
L460[09:12:38] <S3> because any switch in
a loop is capable of routing
L461[09:14:43] <S3> I think I have figured
it out
L462[09:15:08] *
CompanionCube is now on my desktop
L463[09:23:21] *
CompanionCube is wondering if he should use something like protobuf
or instead use a text-based protocol with a parser such as a
PEG-based one
L464[09:24:13] <S3> CompanionCube: for the
DNS stuff?
L465[09:24:16] <CompanionCube> yes
L466[09:24:20] <S3> I think the DNS should
be as ascii as possible honestly
L467[09:24:35] <S3> because it makes it
super easy to implement in lua, etc
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L470[09:25:34] <CompanionCube> true
L471[09:26:02] *
CompanionCube will likely end up using the former to describe the
thing while having the implementation being
ASCII-based
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L474[09:34:39] <vifino> CompanionCube:
When you use actions, you use third person.
L475[09:35:33] <vifino> Pro tip:
"My" is not third person.
L476[09:36:16] <Saphire> ^
L477[09:36:25] <Saphire> or second
person
L478[09:36:48] *
Saphire nibbles your personal space
L479[09:41:21] <Lizzy> well, i finished
mostly putting my old laptop back together
L480[09:41:37] <Saphire> yay
L481[09:53:05] <gamax92> which is worse
for you, high latency fast speed or low latency but slow
speed
L482[09:54:56] <Izaya> weechat autosort =
win
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L484[09:59:06] <Skye> gamax92, depends on
the situation
L485[09:59:29] <Skye> Low latency is good
for chat, but high speed is good for downloading
L486[09:59:33] <vifino> gamax92: playing
multiplayer games, the second
L487[10:00:15] <Izaya> and then there's
the games that use both
L488[10:00:21] <Izaya> and you are both
slow and high-latency
L489[10:00:32] <Lizzy> like
minecraft?
L490[10:00:50] <Skye> video chat needs
high speed and low latency
L491[10:01:14] <Izaya> even audio requires
a lower scale but still a lot
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L493[10:08:11] <MajGenRelativity_>
Snagar
L494[10:08:17] <MajGenRelativity_> Can we
get listening sockets in OC?
L495[10:09:12] <Lizzy> no
L496[10:09:35] <MajGenRelativity_> why
not?
L497[10:10:11] <Lizzy> because it's a
security risk and Sangar has said that he won't add them
L498[10:10:34] <Izaya> we need connection
brokers IMO
L499[10:10:37] <Izaya> like a phone
system
L500[10:10:45] <Lizzy> that wouldn't be
too hard
L501[10:10:49] <Izaya> indeed
L502[10:10:57] <Izaya> if you were insane
you could even use IRC for it
L503[10:11:17] <MajGenRelativity_> Izaya,
S3 is working on the Ocranet
L504[10:11:23] <Izaya> yeah I know
L505[10:11:28] <Izaya> but I want to write
a phone system
L506[10:11:31] <Izaya> it sounds fun
L507[10:11:34] <Lizzy> na, would better to
stay at layer 5 or 6, not 7
L508[10:11:44] <Izaya> might be a good
project to write in rust
L509[10:11:48] <Izaya> mainly so I can get
better at it
L510[10:13:47] <Lizzy> am i mad for
wanting to try and ipxe boot over wifi?
L511[10:15:26] <Skye> Lizzy, compared to
other people here? no
L512[10:15:38] <Izaya> well
L513[10:15:45] <Izaya> if you had some
sort of bootloader on the HDD
L514[10:15:48] <Izaya> it could probably
be done
L515[10:16:00] <yoy> So I had my window
open
L516[10:16:11] <yoy> And my mom was
outside watering the flowers
L517[10:16:42] <yoy> neveragain
L518[10:26:26] <Skye> do solder fumes give
you headaches?
L519[10:26:49] <CompanionCube> OCRANET
even uses phone-like numbers (ISDN right?)
L520[10:27:23] <Skye> CompanionCube, I
think so
L521[10:28:50] <MajGenRelativity_>
CompanionCube, 99% sure it does
L522[10:29:42] <Stary2001> Skye: well the
fumes are usually the flux if your using flux core solder
L523[10:36:10] <Skye> Stary2001, should
they give me headaches?
L524[10:36:22] <Stary2001> Skye: no they
shouldnt, if they are thats bad
L525[10:36:39] <Stary2001> like you are
inhaling too much fume
L526[10:39:19] <Skye> I don't know if my
headache is from no water or the soldering I did
L527[10:40:47] <Inari> yoy: ?
L528[10:40:48] <Stary2001> no water is
more likely
L529[10:41:02] <vifino> Skye: I solder a
lot. I never get headaches.
L530[10:41:23] <yoy> Inari: I got
wet
L531[10:41:28] <yoy> The cat got wet
too
L532[10:41:31] <Inari> lewd
L533[10:41:35] <Skye> then it's me not
drinking enough water.
L534[10:41:44] <Izaya> so uh
L535[10:41:50] <yoy> You could say
L536[10:41:54] <yoy> My mom makes me
moist
L537[10:42:08] <Izaya> anyone know how to
make graphviz (specifically dot) actually render a huge image
rather than outputting a white square?
L538[10:42:18] <vifino> Skye: I drink like
one cup of water every day. "I don't drink enough" is my
life motto.
L539[10:43:00] <Skye> vifino O_O
L540[10:43:47] <Stary2001> vifino: how
much alcohol
L541[10:43:53] <vifino> Stary2001:
none.
L542[10:44:08] <Stary2001> k
L543[10:44:12] <vifino> I rarely drink
anything alcoholic.
L544[10:44:27] <yoy> >rarely
L545[10:44:44] <yoy> >came on irc drunk
as shit a couple of months ago
L546[10:45:32] <yoy> >i don't know
where I'm going with this
L547[10:45:37] <vifino> I will not speak
about anything related to this any further without my lawyer.
L548[10:45:48] <yoy> vifino: I am ur
lawyr
L549[10:45:51] <yoy> nowspeak
L550[10:45:52] <Skye> yoy, that IS rare,
though. :P
L551[10:45:55] <yoy> andkith
L552[10:46:02] <vifino> yoy: no, you left
us in need
L553[10:46:04] <vifino> you traitor
L554[10:46:13] <yoy> in need of what
L555[10:46:22] <vifino> in need of you in
#V
L556[10:46:28] <yoy> I don't need it
L557[10:46:47] <vifino> we need you
doe
L558[10:47:01] <yoy> 5 hours have been
appended to the "rejoin #V" clock
L559[10:47:14] <vifino> Also, Skye is
correct. Getting drunk every couple months isn't much.
L560[10:47:30] <vifino> yoy: bae, you know
exactly that you wont rejoin
L561[10:47:42] <yoy> >bae
L562[10:47:47] <Izaya> is there a way in
bash to reverse word order?
L563[10:47:49] <yoy> b'uscuse me?
L564[10:47:56] <yoy> Izaya: zcat?
L565[10:48:03] <Izaya> what
L566[10:48:05] <yoy> or does zcat only
decompress
L567[10:48:06] <yoy> no
L568[10:48:07] <yoy> tac
L569[10:48:10] <vifino> yes
L570[10:48:12] <vifino> tac
L571[10:48:19] <vifino> zcat is cat for
gzipped files
L572[10:48:27] <vifino> u stoopid
yoy
L573[10:48:38] <Izaya> -s' '?
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L575[10:48:55] <yoy> yeah
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L578[11:04:25] <S3> yoy: Tell people to
stop using libqt!
L579[11:05:12] <yoy> People: Stop using
libqt!
L580[11:05:38] <LordFokas> what is wrong
with it?
L581[11:05:46] <yoy> I dunno
L582[11:05:50] <yoy> I just say
stuff
L583[11:06:19] *
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L588[11:29:38] <Lizzy> ohai
LordFokas
L589[11:34:38] <Temia> ...
L590[11:34:54] <Temia> Why is my tailtuft
soaked in paint ._.
L591[11:38:42] <yoy> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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L593[11:40:33] <LordFokas> ohai Lizzy
:)
L594[11:41:01] *
Lizzy runs a bath for Temia
L595[11:41:55] *
Temia climbs in gratefully and scrubs her tail clean
:<
L596[11:42:11] <Izaya> ... uuuggghhh
L597[11:42:13] <Izaya> 1GB of
updates
L598[11:43:27] <Lizzy> lol
L599[11:43:39] <Lizzy> grub says it's
loading Linux linux
L600[11:43:47] <Lizzy> Arch Linux has
evolved
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L603[11:46:31] <Izaya> I do believe you a
slackware
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L605[11:47:02] <Lizzy> ?
L606[11:48:54] <Vexatos> Lizzy,
"believe" is transitive now
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L609[11:49:51] <Izaya> Lizzy: "If you
learn Red Hat, you learn Red Hat. If you learn Debian, you learn
Debian. If you learn Slackware, you learn Linux"
L610[11:51:44] <g> actually, slackware has
its own systems too
L611[11:52:18] <g> installpck, removepkg,
upgradepkg, explodepkg, makepkg, pkgtool..
L612[11:52:25] <g> s/pck/pkg/
L613[11:52:25] <MichiBot> <g>
installpkg, removepkg, upgradepkg, explodepkg, makepkg,
pkgtool..
L614[11:52:37] <g> so nop, I'd say you're
still just learning slackware :P:
L615[11:52:55] <Izaya> not my quote
L616[11:53:47] <Izaya> but it is closer to
like, LFS than many distros
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L620[12:06:58] *
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L621[12:07:20] *
Temia whaps Inari on the nose with it :T
L622[12:07:35] <Temia> Don't got dirtying
it up again!
L623[12:07:45] *
Izaya offers Temia a laser
L624[12:07:57] <Izaya> "As always, I
had nothing to do with this."
L625[12:08:00] *
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:c
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L627[12:22:53] <Inari> Izaya has to do
with about everything
L628[12:23:59] <Izaya> not
everything
L629[12:24:04] <Izaya> I had nothing to do
with
L630[12:24:06] <Izaya> uh
L631[12:24:17] <Izaya> uh
L632[12:24:20] <Izaya> aha!
L633[12:24:27] <Izaya> I had nothing to do
with the wiki being somewhat outdated
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L644[13:05:29] <MrVasya> lol
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L647[13:07:37] *
vifino is listening to Lizzy hum and make noises
L648[13:08:15] <vifino> I got pinged on
IRC... Oh.. *noises continue* - Lizzy
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L650[13:10:30] <Lizzy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGy2VoFP-o
L651[13:10:30] <MichiBot> [Black MIDI]
Synthesia - Tetris Theme A ~50,000 note 'Impossible Remix' ~ Kanade
Tachibana | length: 1m 14s | Likes: 6238 Dislikes: 328 Views: 669756 | by
Gingeas
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L653[13:18:53] <LordFokas> <Izaya> I
had nothing to do with the wiki being somewhat outdated
L654[13:18:55] <LordFokas> you did
L655[13:19:00] <LordFokas> by not updating
it
L656[13:19:11] <LordFokas> :v
L657[13:19:16] <Izaya> LordFokas: I
disagree, by not updating it I had nothing to do with it
L658[13:19:44] <LordFokas> by not updating
it, it's your fault it's outdated :p
L659[13:20:04] <Izaya> so it's my
responsibility now? :P
L660[13:20:47] *
Izaya grumbles
L661[13:20:52] <Izaya> latest GTK update
broke my theme
L662[13:21:10] <Izaya> any recommendations
for dark themes that look like gtk2 but are for gtk3?
L663[13:21:20] <Izaya> because gtk3 is
ugly for the most part
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L666[13:37:16] <MrVasya> hi all guys
L667[13:38:21] <Lizzy> *& girls
L668[13:45:55] <CompanionCube> Izaya, go
ask on /r/linux/
L669[13:50:07] <gamax92> "after it
try to try tu start steam agine o reinstal it"
L670[13:50:11] <gamax92> why did you even
try.
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L672[13:56:51] <g> [19:21:00]
<Izaya> latest GTK update
broke my theme
L673[13:56:57] <g> this is going to happen
every time you update GTK
L674[13:57:33] <g> gnome team does not
care at all for gtk themes that aren't the default
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L676[13:58:07] <CompanionCube> eh
L677[13:58:18] <CompanionCube> supposedly
3.20 brings an actually stable theme/css api
L678[13:58:31] <CompanionCube> not that I
trust them to hold to that.
L679[13:58:39] <g> stable until the next
minor version, probably
L680[13:58:50] <g> as opposed to patch
versions like now
L681[13:59:34] <Izaya> g: well as we all
know
L682[13:59:47] <gamax92>
"8u92+8u91arm-2~really8u91"
L683[14:00:13] <Izaya> any machine that is
not running Gnome 3 on Fedora x86_64 with the default theme and
default GNOME 'apps' and a stock kernel is a special snowflake and
so are you
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L691[15:16:40] *
Xilandro now has a copy of Stardew Valley in his gift
inventory
L692[15:22:38] <gamax92> om nom nom
L693[15:26:23] <Izaya> So.
L694[15:26:52] <Izaya> Apparently there
are users abusing local accounts
L695[15:27:34] <Izaya> Any idea how I
could get who is logged into a machine at a given time?
L696[15:27:50] <Izaya> oh fun
L697[15:28:02] <Izaya> to view any content
on the MS site you need javashit enabled
L698[15:33:45] <Lizzy> my work uses M$'s
System Center Configuration Managger
L699[15:34:50] <Lizzy> but that's costly
from what i've heard
L700[15:35:04] <Izaya> apparently you can
abuse GPO
L701[15:36:29] <gamax92> "apparently
you can abuse (thing)" shouldn't be said
L702[15:36:33] <gamax92> ofc you can abuse
something :p
L703[15:36:44] <Stary2001> Lizzy: oh god
sccm
L704[15:36:52] <Izaya> or like
L705[15:37:17] <Izaya> I could run the
script from C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup
L706[15:37:33] <Izaya> Not very
inconspicuous but hey it'd work
L707[15:37:37] <Stary2001> heh
L708[15:37:56] <Izaya> that applies to all
users
L709[15:38:00] <Izaya> let's install
python then
L710[15:38:13] *
Izaya is totally not abusing his Windows VMs at all
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L713[15:40:30] <gamax92> Izaya: install
perl!
L714[15:41:23] <Izaya> gamax92: the
machines already havbe python
L715[15:42:17] <gamax92> Izaya: Install
perl you dupshit
L716[15:42:23] <gamax92> you dapshut
L717[15:42:51] <Izaya> but I like to be
able to read my code
L718[15:42:53] <gamax92> you ... ...
yeah!
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L720[15:46:02] <MrVasya> where is
probleme? 5-10 powershell lines or something like this... this is
windws, right?
L721[15:46:14] <Izaya> in that case
L722[15:46:19] <Izaya> the problem is
slowershell
L723[15:48:18] <MrVasya> SO slow, its can
not be) you cann add simply py script on autorun or just use
taskeng
L724[15:49:14] <Izaya> anyway I know how
to use python, while I'd prefer not to wait for code to compile
every time I run my program and learn a new 'language' too
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L727[15:50:30] <gamax92> Izaya: but
perl!
L728[15:50:38] <MrVasya> hm... you cau use
"autoit 3". simply and pretty fast. can be
compliled...
L729[15:51:04] <gamax92> autoit and
autohotkey can be very easily "decompiled"
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L731[15:51:22] <Izaya> no I mean I can
compile a program in rust as fast as it takes for slowershell to
start
L732[15:51:24] <gamax92> all they do is
just slap the script onto the exe
L733[15:51:51] <gm|and> i wonder how rust
compares with C for compilation speed
L734[15:51:56] <gamax92> oh hey gm
L735[15:52:01] <gm|and> mrow
L736[15:52:05] <gamax92> o.o
L737[15:52:05] <gm|and> im on a boat
L738[15:52:13] <gamax92> oh nice
L739[15:52:16] <MrVasya> delphi, C*....
:D
L740[15:52:21] <KittyKath> gm|and: Like
Scala to Java.
L741[15:52:37] <gamax92> I want to build
Cheat Engine but without it's interface, just as a Lua
library
L742[15:54:02] <Izaya> the question
is
L743[15:54:14] <Izaya> what does
psloggedon respond if I open the command prompt before logging
on?
L744[15:54:27] <gm|and> well yeah the CE
interface sucks arse
L745[15:54:47] <gm|and> probably the main
reason i use tsearch instead
L746[15:55:33] <gamax92> gm|and: I'm
literally just using it because of the lua stuff though
L747[15:55:48] <gamax92> though if I can,
will probably move to a packaged python app
L748[15:58:29] <gamax92> gm|and: does
tsearch have lua
L749[15:59:48] <gm|and> it doesnt, but it
does have a not-shit UI
L750[16:01:17] <yoy> gamax92: why not
/proc/pid/mem and /proc/pid/maps?
L751[16:01:25] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/zCDIfOO.png
L752[16:02:44] <gm|and> nice, howd you
pull that off
L753[16:02:59] <Izaya> easiest trick in
the book
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L755[16:03:08] <Izaya> boot into Linux,
replace sethc.exe with cmd.exe
L756[16:03:21] <Izaya> reboot back into
Windows, hit shift 5 times and don't log in\]
L757[16:04:26] <gamax92> yoy: because I'm
on windows
L758[16:04:37] <gm|and> eheh
L759[16:04:52] <yoy> fuckingshit
L760[16:05:19] <gamax92> I would have
thought you weren't that stupid considering that Cheat Engine was
said.
L761[16:05:28] <gm|and> fun challenge: win
3.1 live floppy
L762[16:05:33] <yoy> I don't use Cheat
Engine
L763[16:05:37] <yoy> So like
L764[16:05:54] <gamax92> it's okay ds,
admit
L765[16:06:00] <yoy> How the fuck am I
supposed to know that CE is windows only if I don't use it?
L766[16:06:13] <gm|and> i onc
L767[16:06:19] 
<nxsupert> o/
<nxsupert> o/L768[16:06:24] <gamax92> By not assuming
and actually looking up what CE is if you don't know what it
is
L769[16:06:26] <gm|and> once modded
tsearch in a hex exitor
L770[16:06:33] <yoy> gamax92: I know what
CE is
L771[16:06:38] <gm|and> changed
titlebars
L772[16:06:45] <yoy> I just haven't used
it in a long time, so anything can happen
L773[16:06:47] <gm|and> tsesrch and
autoheck ;)
L774[16:06:49] <yoy> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L775[16:07:28] <gm|and> what id like to
see is gdb have repeated search support
L776[16:07:59] <gm|and> that and the
ability to assemble
L777[16:08:16] <gamax92> yoy: either way
though ... I've been interfacing with scanmem in it's backend
mode
L778[16:08:49] <gamax92> and no solution
for OS X because how am I supposed to develop and test for
something I don't have
L779[16:08:50] <yoy> gm|and: You can write
over the current executable code using /proc/pid/mem if you are
root
L780[16:09:28] <gm|and> yeah, i think
theres some other nice things in proc too
L781[16:12:22] <Skye> gm|and, windows 3.1
on a single FDD is possible, but IIRC the site that had it
died
L782[16:12:47] <gamax92> r.i.p site
L783[16:12:51] <gm|and> i think vetus
still has regular 3.1
L784[16:13:06] <gamax92> lol ... vetus
:P
L785[16:13:12] <Skye> it was related to
the DOS 7.11 site, IIRC
L786[16:13:32] <gamax92> good to see vetus
is still up
L787[16:13:35] <Izaya> I am now running
Windows Explorer without logging on
L788[16:13:52] <Izaya> well, in the
loosest sense of the word
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L791[16:26:26] <CJL125> Hello?
L792[16:26:53] <gm|and> You hear someone
cursing shoplifters in the distance.
L793[16:27:03] <CJL125> What all can the
disassembler take apart?
L794[16:27:38] <gm|and> try it, see if it
works
L795[16:28:14] <gm|and> warning, theres a
random chance of it not returning a given part
L796[16:28:55] <CJL125> Okay, so I was
wondering if there was a difference between how the dissassembler
treats items crafting via crafting grid, and how it treats
robots/tablets/etc assembled by the assembler.
L797[16:29:59] <CJL125> Because I feel
like the %5 chance of losing an item makes more sense with taking
apart crafted items, than taking out the different computer
components of a microcontroller/robot/etc.
L798[16:29:59] <gamax92> gm|and: talk to
shoplifter
L799[16:30:23] <gamax92> oh nvm I read
that wrong ...
L800[16:30:36] <gm|and> gamax its nethack
not adventure
L801[16:30:41] <gamax92> damn.
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L803[16:32:05] <CJL125> ie. It makes more
sense not to always get back all the component of a cpu or hard
drive that you disassemble, but taking a robot apart should always
give you all of the components back.
L804[16:33:42] *
gamax92 looks
L805[16:37:04] <gamax92> CJL125: appears
you can lose stuff when disassembling robots
L806[16:37:24] <gamax92> atleast I can't
see anything that checks for that
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L810[16:49:04] <SoraFirestorm> o/
L811[16:49:53] <gamax92> this git clone is
so slow ...
L812[16:50:12] <SoraFirestorm> what are
you cloning?
L813[16:50:24] <gamax92> ubuntu kernel
git
L814[16:50:42] <SoraFirestorm>
indeed
L815[16:50:57] <SoraFirestorm> kernel
clones are... *ahem* yuuuuge
L816[16:51:07] <gamax92> yeah but its
going at 80KB/s
L817[16:51:15] <SoraFirestorm> icky
:(
L818[16:51:34] <gamax92> 89307/4706572
objects
L819[16:52:11] <gamax92> and yeah
internet's running fine, tested
L820[16:52:23] <SoraFirestorm> must mean
the remote is having issues ten
L821[16:52:28] <SoraFirestorm>
s/ten/then/
L822[16:52:29] <MichiBot>
<SoraFirestorm> must mean the remote is having issues
then
L823[16:53:33] *
gamax92 tries a thing
L824[16:54:03] <gm|and> good ol shithub
giving you the shit server when you want the big repo
L825[16:54:20] <gm|and> 16kb/s happens
often too
L826[16:54:23] <SoraFirestorm> gm|and: to
be fair, most repos are not that large
L827[16:54:36] <SoraFirestorm> the large
ones are the outliers
L828[16:54:41] <gamax92> gm|and: it's not
even github ...
L829[16:54:45] <gamax92> it's
kernel.ubuntu.com
L830[16:54:46] <SoraFirestorm> was about
to ask
L831[16:54:53] <SoraFirestorm> that's
pretty bad then
L832[16:55:35] <gm|and> fun thing, i am
now in between the two main islands of nz, and the pacific and
atlantic oceans
L833[16:56:07] <gamax92> I tried doing
single branch and all it did was reduce it to 4695133 objects
:P
L834[16:56:13] <gamax92> so ... still not
gonna work well.
L835[16:56:14] <gm|and> a nice thing about
crux is you do get the normal linux kernel
L836[16:56:34] <gm|and> single branch or
single commit?
L837[16:56:49] <gamax92> single
branch
L838[16:57:00] <SoraFirestorm> for the
most part though
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L840[16:57:08] <SoraFirestorm> not having
a distro's patchset shouldn't mean the world
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L842[16:57:29] <SoraFirestorm> this
machine has a 4.6rc4 straight from kernel.org
L843[16:57:41] <SoraFirestorm> of course,
not running Ubuntu, soooo
L844[16:57:44] <SoraFirestorm> ymmv
L845[16:58:10] <gamax92> well the idea is
that it's a ubuntu + pf-kernel that's also a deb just like normal
kernels
L846[16:58:43] <gamax92> this works well
but I just need to get the three extra folders that ubuntu has for
4.5
L847[16:59:03] <gamax92> anyway I'm
hitting megabyte speeds now
L848[17:00:14] <SoraFirestorm> gamax92:
yay!
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L850[17:01:09] <gamax92> plus none of this
would actually have ubuntu's patchset :P
L851[17:01:25] <SoraFirestorm> oooh
L852[17:01:29] <SoraFirestorm> I would
have figured
L853[17:01:32] <SoraFirestorm> but
eh
L854[17:01:55] <gamax92> it'd be
pf-kernel's patchset + the three extra things from ubuntu's kernel
+ ubuntu's packaging patches
L855[17:04:17] <SoraFirestorm> you
reminded me it would probably be a good idea to pull patches and
rebuild my kernel :P
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L858[17:08:14] <SoraFirestorm> also yay
got my patch for lua-mode accepted
L859[17:08:48] <gamax92> oh?
L860[17:09:24] <gamax92> T~T
L861[17:09:30] <gamax92> this repo doesn't
have the folders I want.
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L864[17:13:09] <gamax92> k, this one
does.
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L867[17:16:28] <gm|and> turns out the
cellphone reception in the toilets is shit
L868[17:16:58] <gm|and> doesnt help that
my phone honks when im on irc and i lose connection
L869[17:18:48] <g> So this is
interesting
L870[17:18:48] <g> https://sessionserver.mojang.com/blockedservers
L871[17:19:12] <gamax92> ;~; MOUSE
PLEASE
L872[17:19:29] <gamax92> stop clicking
everything else besides what I want you to.
L873[17:20:15] <gamax92> g: that's existed
for a long time
L874[17:20:19] <gamax92> and also hasn't
changed recently
L875[17:20:23] <g> It's being implemented
in 1.9.3 apparently
L876[17:20:53] <gamax92> oh nvm, I can't
read as well.
L877[17:20:57] <g> haha
L878[17:21:07] <gamax92> I'm too hyper
right now :/
L879[17:21:08] <g> Here's a crappy YT
screenshot if you're wondering what servers these are: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/April/vivaldi_2016-04-30_23-17-27.png
L880[17:21:21] <gamax92> typing is shit,
clicking is shit, reading is shit.
L881[17:22:58] <gamax92> g: ooh ooh I know
...
L882[17:23:36] *
SoraFirestorm is waiting for gamax92 to be snarky
L883[17:24:08] <gamax92> git is slowing
down my computer so no time to be snarky
L884[17:24:27] <gamax92> ... XD imgur
front page
L885[17:24:56] <gamax92> g: zoom in,
enhance! http://i.imgur.com/UFZDIbX.png
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L887[17:25:13] <g> Oh, thanks
L888[17:25:18] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L889[17:25:24] <gamax92> :>
L890[17:25:40] <gm|and> are the servers on
there blocked for spamming in shitter oslt
L891[17:26:02] <g> EULA violations
L892[17:26:09] <gm|and> ah ok
L893[17:26:13] <SoraFirestorm> that list
ought to be bigger then
L894[17:26:20] <SoraFirestorm> servers out
the butt are still violating...
L895[17:26:21] <gamax92> inb4 they make a
mod to just not use the blocked list >_>
L896[17:26:24] <gm|and> they should target
people who spambot
L897[17:26:27] <g> They're just targetting
the massive servers
L898[17:26:49] <gm|and> what sort of eula
vios btw
L899[17:26:59] <SoraFirestorm> probably
selling stuff
L900[17:27:02] <g> yeah
L901[17:27:05] <gm|and> ah
L902[17:27:38] <SoraFirestorm> that's
pretty much the only violation I've ever seen AFAIK
L903[17:27:45] <g> https://github.com/BlockedServers/tracker
L905[17:28:43] <g> yeah
L906[17:30:33] <malcom2073> bwahaha
L907[17:31:53] <g> I have no sympathy for
the actual servers
L908[17:31:53] <malcom2073> I think
mimicing the servers being down is a touch of genious, adding to
the violating servers tech support load
L909[17:32:07] <SoraFirestorm> eeeh
L910[17:32:08] <malcom2073> Rather than
giving the clients an error about the blacklist, it just acts like
it can't connect
L911[17:32:20] <SoraFirestorm> I'm
agreeing with people that doing that is a pretty dick move
L912[17:32:22] <g> it'll also not inform
users that they need a modded client to connect
L913[17:32:25] <SoraFirestorm> just say
it
L914[17:32:40] <g> it's a dick move but I
see why they did it
L915[17:32:46] <SoraFirestorm> I know
*why* they did it
L916[17:32:47] <g> to be fair, these
servers had 20 months to fix their shit
L917[17:32:57] <malcom2073> And the
servers literally laughed at mojang about it
L918[17:33:35] <SoraFirestorm> ik ik
L919[17:33:43] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not
sympathetic in anyway
L920[17:33:46] <malcom2073> There's no
good way out of it
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L922[17:33:48] <SoraFirestorm> I'm just
saying call it like it is
L923[17:33:50] <malcom2073> For them
L924[17:33:58] <malcom2073> They can let
people walk all over them, or be dicks
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L926[17:34:26] <malcom2073> So yeah I
guess I agree that it's a dick move too
L927[17:34:36] <SoraFirestorm> idk why the
hell people think these types of things will make any more
L928[17:34:39] <SoraFirestorm>
s/more/money/
L929[17:34:41] <MichiBot>
<SoraFirestorm> idk why the hell people think these types of
things will make any money
L930[17:34:58] <SoraFirestorm> imo, the
only thing you should be asking any more for is for keeping the
server up
L931[17:35:00] <SoraFirestorm> even
then
L932[17:35:01] <malcom2073> They *do* make
money. Bigger server owners run the servers as a full time
job
L933[17:35:36] <SoraFirestorm> most of
them don't hough
L934[17:35:48] <malcom2073> I wonder how
many of the small guys are getting tagged with this
L935[17:36:13] <g> None atm
L936[17:36:15] <SoraFirestorm> probably
none
L937[17:36:18] <g> It looks like just big
targets
L938[17:36:21] <SoraFirestorm> I don't
think they ever will
L939[17:39:58] <SoraFirestorm> ffs
L940[17:40:03] <SoraFirestorm> just ask
for a subscription fee
L941[17:40:25] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, that
doesn't work so well with the kiddies
L942[17:40:29] <SoraFirestorm> but
arguably that's a feature
L943[17:40:45] <malcom2073> Worked pretty
good for WoW
L944[17:43:59] <SoraFirestorm> charge
like... $2 or $3 for your fee
L945[17:44:22] <SoraFirestorm> That'll
work for recoup of costs for even a small number of players
L946[17:45:25] <g> if I had 10 players at
$5/mo, I'd be making a profit
L947[17:45:25] <g> lol
L948[17:45:36] <SoraFirestorm> pretty
much
L949[17:45:38] <gamax92> patreon!
L950[17:45:40] <SoraFirestorm> it's not
hard
L951[17:45:43] <gamax92> I'm kidding
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L953[17:48:01] <gm|and> run two servers,
one targeting rich snobs and the other normal people, and set up a
patreon for the rich snob server and claim oppression from your
normal person server
L954[17:48:26] <malcom2073> g: You'd need
50 players to get 10 of them to donate though
L955[17:48:29] <SoraFirestorm> brb new
linux kernel
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L957[17:48:34] <malcom2073> Oh
subscription
L958[17:48:34] <malcom2073> yeah
L959[17:48:37] <gm|and> hmm actually youd
want to run three
L960[17:48:49] <g> yeah I know how
donations work mostly
L961[17:48:53] <g> I mean I did run a
community for 8 years
L962[17:48:55] <gm|and> snobs, normies and
shitposters
L963[17:49:17] <g> It is really hard to
get donations
L964[17:49:23] <malcom2073> shitposters
are infectious though
L965[17:49:24] <gm|and> never mention the
normie server when doing the oppression stuff
L966[17:49:28] <g> It's usually the two or
three players that really love the server that will try to keep you
afload
L967[17:49:30] <g> afloat*
L968[17:49:42] <gm|and> just pit the snobs
against the shitposters
L969[17:49:48] <g> We had one guy that
used to actually donate over half the server costs every
month
L970[17:49:51] <g> until he had a
kid
L971[17:50:12] <gamax92> r.i.p
SoraFirestorm
L972[17:50:21] <gamax92> made a new faulty
kernel with no backup
L973[17:51:10] <gm|and> rip
L974[17:51:17] <gm|and> uh oh connection
is near death
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L976[17:51:29] <SoraFirestorm> o/
L977[17:51:36] <gamax92> speaking of the
devil
L978[17:51:40] <gamax92> I meanhi
L979[17:51:41] <SoraFirestorm> :D
L980[17:51:53] <SoraFirestorm> <3 you
too :P
L981[17:51:57] <gm|and> might be on the
south island cell towers now though
L982[17:54:11] <S3> Looks like we have an
issue I need to resolve with ocranet
L983[17:54:22] <S3> Sangar: can we please
have UDP sockets?
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L985[17:56:31] <S3> Otherwise I will be
forced to use TCP for the Ocranet tier connections from MC
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L987[17:56:41] <S3> which is really going
to suck a lot because TCP is ick
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L991[17:59:12] <SoraFire`> oooh
L992[17:59:13] <SoraFire`> did
L993[17:59:14] <SoraFire`> yup
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L995[18:00:01] <gm|and> would it make
sense to have basically one udp socket/port on the server and
filter by addr/port as to which comp gets it?
L996[18:00:20] <gamax92> use a tcp2udp
layer :3
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L998[18:02:42] <S3> that would suck
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L1000[18:03:14] <S3> all we really need
is the socket to support the udp protocol
L1001[18:03:20] <S3> internet card*
L1002[18:03:28] <S3> simple fix
L1003[18:03:37] <SF-MC> I've always
wondered why it doesn't...
L1004[18:04:00] <S3> Because most people
use TCP, but in all honesty TCP is not the answer for a lot of
things
L1005[18:04:15] <S3> for Ocranet, TCP
will only severely burden it
L1006[18:04:26] <gamax92> ENet!
L1007[18:04:33] <S3> gamax92: ?
L1008[18:04:42] <gamax92> S3: ENet!
L1009[18:04:47] <S3> what about it
L1010[18:05:03] <S3> SF-MC: and Ocranet
uses 8KB UDP packets. Something that TCP just.. shouldn't do
L1011[18:06:52] <SF-MC> so
L1012[18:06:54] <SF-MC> serious
question
L1013[18:07:12] <SF-MC> do y'all think
we're going to get enough mods to make 1.8 worth playing?
L1014[18:07:19] <SF-MC> or are people
just going to skip to 1.9?
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L1016[18:07:44] <S3> 1.9! 1.9! 1.9!
L1017[18:07:59] <SF-MC> mostly because
I'm thinking of building a new pack
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L1019[18:08:19] <S3> AE for 1.9 will be
epic
L1020[18:08:24] <SF-MC> rn, 1.8 has more
by a far margin
L1021[18:08:30] <SF-MC> but 1.9 is
starting to size up
L1022[18:08:33] <S3> because it will
support OC component cable network encapsulation
L1023[18:08:40] <SF-MC> also
L1024[18:08:44] <SF-MC> OC for
1.9.x?
L1025[18:08:53] <S3> we need it
L1026[18:08:54] <S3> :)
L1027[18:09:04] <S3> you know what we
really need?
L1028[18:09:08] <SF-MC> just that last I
checked, ther wasn't
L1029[18:09:15] <S3> a frigging API to
prevent having to redo shit every damn version
L1030[18:09:23] <S3> it's insane
L1031[18:11:04] <SF-MC> I remember this
going to 1.7.x
L1032[18:11:24] <SF-MC> it took
foreeeeveeeer to have enough mods to make a pack worth actually
playing
L1033[18:11:35] <S3> In the meantime, I
will work on some stuff for Ocranet..
L1034[18:12:52] <gm|and> afaik 1.8 is
mostly being skipped
L1035[18:13:23] <gm|and> now that 1.9 is
out and its apparently easy to port 1.8 stuff to it
L1036[18:13:34] <gm|and> and also btm16
will be 1.9
L1037[18:13:44] <gm|and> erm
btm16.2
L1038[18:13:53] <g> S3, sponge aims to do
that
L1039[18:14:05] <g> regardless of how
shit it actually is, it's a noble goal
L1040[18:14:06] <S3> ?
L1041[18:14:13] <g> <S3> a frigging API to prevent having to redo
shit every damn version
L1042[18:14:18] <S3> yeah
L1043[18:14:21] <S3> Forge was SUPPOSED
TOI
L1044[18:14:26] <S3> but meh
L1045[18:14:26] <gm|and> sponge is still
around?
L1046[18:14:27] <g> To be fair, anything
using only the Forge API needs no porting at all
L1047[18:14:31] <S3> they got enough
stuff to do
L1048[18:14:43] <g> unfortunately there's
a lot of stuff you still need to use that isn't covered by
forge
L1049[18:14:48] <S3> right
L1050[18:14:49] <gamax92> g: forge
renames
L1051[18:14:52] <g> obfuscated names and
other things
L1052[18:15:01] <gm|and> g: until they
deprecate yet another thing that everyone usrs
L1053[18:15:08] <g> gamax92, that's a
hell of a lot easier to deal with than the other things
though
L1054[18:15:26] <S3> So!
L1055[18:15:27] <SF-MC> eh
L1056[18:15:29] <S3> What is ENet
L1057[18:15:35] <SF-MC> I'll base my pack
on 1.9 then
L1058[18:15:44] <g> the point is, forge
only abstracts a small number of things realistically
L1059[18:15:45] <gamax92> S3: reliable
networking thing on top of UDP
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L1061[18:15:56] <g> sponge is supposedly
going to abstract _everything_
L1062[18:16:05] <g> while I don't think
they'll manage it.. it's a noble goal
L1063[18:16:10] <gm|and> a lib thats good
for using for games
L1064[18:16:30] <S3> heh
L1065[18:16:38] <g> I mean I dislike
sponge for other reasons
L1066[18:16:43] <gm|and> basically, if
you want to use tcp, use enet instead
L1067[18:16:47] <gamax92> ^
L1068[18:16:49] <g> like most of their
API for instance
L1069[18:16:50] <g> but yknow
L1070[18:16:52] <S3> Oh that
L1071[18:16:54] <S3> gamax92: I've ssen
that
L1072[18:17:18] <S3> The problem is that
sangars damn internet card is TCP only
L1073[18:17:22] <S3> if it was udp I
could just use that
L1074[18:17:29] <g> send in a pull
request then
L1075[18:17:29] <g> :v
L1076[18:17:36] <S3> I could
L1077[18:17:42] <g> you mean, you
will?
L1078[18:17:43] <g> :3
L1079[18:17:44] <S3> But I'm no scala
hacker
L1080[18:17:55] <gamax92> S3:
java2scala
L1081[18:17:57] <gamax92> :P
L1082[18:18:00] <gm|and> its complex
though, and forget about porting it away from C
L1083[18:18:04] <S3> And I'm no Java
hacker either
L1084[18:18:04] <g> yeah, I don't like
scala either
L1085[18:18:07] <S3> :)
L1086[18:18:15] <g> I'm kind of okay with
java
L1087[18:18:15] <S3> If I had to choose
I'd probably go with Scala
L1088[18:18:19] <g> I have an oracle
certification
L1089[18:18:20] <gm|and> but if you were
to use a hardcore
L1090[18:18:21] <S3> because Functional
programming is fun
L1091[18:18:34] <g> I dislike all these
JVM languages
L1092[18:18:43] <g> they're as bad as all
these languages that compile to JS
L1093[18:18:56] <S3> g Scala promotes one
huge dissapointment: Most of Scala is written in Java
L1094[18:18:58] <g> they solve a
problem
L1095[18:18:58] <gm|and> id argue theyre
not quite as bad
L1096[18:19:02] <g> but they solve the
wrong problem
L1097[18:19:03] <S3> That's a poor thing
to happen
L1098[18:19:23] <S3> A good language will
write 99% of itself using its' own language
L1099[18:19:32] <g> you're talking about
C, I guess
L1100[18:19:36] <S3> this prevents stuff
from breaking, solves a lot of portability issues, stability,
etc
L1101[18:19:37] <Mayonne> lisp?
L1102[18:19:39] <S3> No
L1103[18:19:45] <S3> I'm actually not
:)
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L1105[18:19:49] <gm|and> haskell is like
that iirc
L1106[18:19:51] <g> GCC is written in C,
though
L1107[18:19:53] <S3> Perl is too
L1108[18:20:06] <gm|and> also pypy exists
despite not being the main impl
L1109[18:20:08] <S3> Perl is a small C
core, and the rest is all Perl
L1110[18:20:11] <gamax92> S3: but where
does it start
L1111[18:20:15] <S3> it also proves the
language
L1112[18:20:16] <g> pypy is way
behind
L1113[18:20:21] <g> and not compatible
/still/
L1114[18:20:22] <S3> My forth
interpreter
L1115[18:20:26] <gm|and> gcc is c++ since
4.7 or 4.8 or something
L1116[18:20:28] <g> I wish it was, I'd be
using it
L1117[18:20:36] <S3> is just a very tiny
forth intrpreter but almost all of it ends up being written in
itself
L1118[18:20:58] <g> hm, no, I don't like
that
L1119[18:21:02] <S3> with some assembly
(depending on the interpreter you are referring to)
L1120[18:21:02] <g> imagine if the python
interpreter was written in python
L1121[18:21:05] <g> it would be
incredibly slow
L1122[18:21:10] <S3> Right
L1123[18:21:16] <gm|and> actually i think
python has a lot of it written in python
L1124[18:21:16] <S3> then Python should
go cry somewhere.
L1125[18:21:21] <g> the stl is
L1126[18:21:23] <S3> It should
anyways
L1127[18:21:25] <g> but much of it is
backed by C
L1128[18:21:26] <S3> I hate Python
L1129[18:21:31] <g> Python is
awesome
L1130[18:21:31] <g> lol
L1131[18:21:37] <gm|and> pypy on the
other hand compiles python to native
L1132[18:21:44] <g> No, that's
cython
L1133[18:21:46] <SoraFirestorm> GCC is
C++
L1134[18:21:55] <gm|and> or at least jits
it
L1135[18:21:59] <g> yeah, pypy is a
JIT
L1136[18:22:03] <g> among other
things
L1137[18:22:15] <S3> g you will also find
there is a fair ammount of assembly in various C runtime libs
L1138[18:22:15] <g> the problem with pypy
is that its C API is different
L1139[18:22:24] <gm|and> pypy is also a
fractal renderer
L1140[18:22:25] <g> meaning I can't use
any C modules designed for cpython
L1141[18:22:46] <S3> Maybe you should
just write in C :)
L1142[18:22:56] <S3> It's a much better
language than Python anyways, and smaller
L1143[18:23:02] <g> god no
L1144[18:23:04] <g> I like having a
life
L1145[18:23:06] <S3> No?
L1146[18:23:08] <S3> :)
L1147[18:23:09] <g> I don't have years to
slave over a single class
L1148[18:23:10] <g> :P
L1149[18:23:16] <S3> I write a fair
ammount of C here and there
L1150[18:23:21] <gm|and> i think for C
you really only need the crt start stuff and some thunks to be in
asm
L1151[18:23:49] <gm|and> the rest of the
stuff in asm is just fast versions of stuff written in C
L1152[18:23:56] <Skye> Thing is
L1153[18:24:09] <Skye> C is neat when you
want to do everything yourself
L1154[18:24:12] <g> yeah
L1155[18:24:13] <g> and I don't
L1156[18:24:14] <g> :P
L1157[18:24:28] <S3> I do
L1158[18:24:32] <Skye> But it's not good
for when you want to code something and don't want to keep
everything in your head.
L1159[18:24:35] <gm|and> python is great
for glue code, c is great for data processing oslt
L1160[18:24:38] <S3> i am a proud
supporter of reinventing the wheel
L1161[18:24:39] <S3> :)
L1162[18:24:50] <g> I don't have time for
that shit
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L1164[18:24:56] <S3> Break it on purpose,
make it better, write it 100% as fast and efficient as
possible
L1165[18:24:58] <S3> well believe it or
not g
L1166[18:25:00] <g> and I don't want to
force people to read my C
L1167[18:25:03] <S3> the more you do it
the faster you get
L1168[18:25:06] <g> C is unreadable
enough as it is
L1169[18:25:19] <gm|and> if your shit is
mostly io bound then of course python is fine
L1170[18:25:29] <g> yeah, which again,
most of my stuff is
L1171[18:25:30] <S3> I write a lot of
custom stuff up in Perl and I do it so much that it's just faster
to do that than deal with somebody elses interfaces honestly most
of the time
L1172[18:25:37] <g> and for everything
else, there's numpy/scipy
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L1174[18:25:53] <gm|and> other than the
fact that its designed to crash at every opportunity w/o the
considerations that erlang has
L1175[18:25:55] <S3> Things I won't
reinvent? XML parsing libraries, etc sure..
L1176[18:25:57] <S3> but
L1177[18:26:15] <g> that's because
they're tedious and hard
L1178[18:26:21] <g> nobody likes parsing
XML
L1179[18:26:39] <S3> no
L1180[18:26:43] <gm|and> nobody should
save in xml
L1181[18:26:47] <S3> Except cythulu
L1182[18:26:51] <Izaya> parsing XML is
easier than parsing JSON IME
L1183[18:26:59] <S3> Nobody should be
using XML hoinestly
L1184[18:26:59] <Izaya> but I was doing
it the super lazy way
L1185[18:27:01] <gamax92> stardew valley
saves in xml
L1186[18:27:04] <g> I would have to
disagree, Izaya
L1187[18:27:06] <S3> XML is slow bloated
complicated and hard to read
L1188[18:27:09] <gm|and> proper json in
my view is easier than xml
L1189[18:27:12] <g> Even XML APIs are
much harder to work with
L1190[18:27:20] <g> just because of how
much stuff XML can do and what has to be dealt with
L1191[18:27:34] <Skye> To be honest, C is
good for stuff like drivers.
L1192[18:27:37] <Izaya> my match was like
"<tag>(.*)</tag>"
L1193[18:27:40] <gm|and> oh yes fuck xml
parsers
L1194[18:27:40] <S3> you don't need much
to do complex things like RPC
L1195[18:28:04] <S3> A proper RPC
protocol won't use frigging XML, I mean wtf SOAP
L1196[18:28:07] <g> If you're using a
proper XML lib, you're going to be working with a tree of
nodes
L1197[18:28:08] <gm|and> C is great for
OSes
L1198[18:28:19] <g> If you're working
with A JSON lib, you're just working with a glorified map
L1199[18:28:20] <S3> C is a systems
language
L1200[18:28:27] <g> or an actual map, if
you're using the right language
L1201[18:28:29] <gm|and> its also
apparently better than C++ for dynamically reloading code
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L1203[18:28:48] <g> reloading code is
hard in a lot of languages
L1204[18:29:16] <S3> Honestly, I am with
a large number of people who believe that code reloading is
dangerous and bad practice.
L1205[18:29:19] <gm|and> its reasonably
easy in C if you prepare for it
L1206[18:29:29] <S3> You shouldn't do
it
L1207[18:29:31] <g> Code reloading can be
done right.
L1208[18:29:42] <S3> I do it a very safe
way
L1209[18:29:50] <gm|and> its great for
game engines
L1210[18:29:56] <g> It's great for all
kinds of things, really
L1211[18:30:13] <S3> I prefork, and then
use a little IPC to handle the fork loop. That is one proper
alternative to code reloading
L1212[18:30:31] <S3> so you fork , then
you load all your plugins, when you reload, you just trash it and
fork again then repeat
L1213[18:30:41] <S3> if you do it right
you can keep state
L1214[18:30:42] <g> yeah no, there's no
way I'd want to implement that
L1215[18:30:46] <g> that sounds like a
huge pain in the ass
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L1217[18:30:50] <S3> Nope
L1218[18:30:52] <gm|and> but if you are
running a serious enterprise service, erlang provides better code
reloading stuff
L1219[18:31:05] <S3> it's an extremely
common practice, and very simple.
L1220[18:31:32] <S3> and lightweight
too
L1221[18:31:43] <S3> Erlang is
nice.
L1222[18:32:03] <gm|and> but yeah: return
state to parent, get unloaded, get loaded again with given
state
L1223[18:32:10] <gm|and> is how i do it
in C
L1224[18:32:31] <g> in C, I don't do it,
because I don't do C
L1225[18:32:32] <g> :3
L1226[18:32:42] <g> I agree that C has a
lot of advantages
L1227[18:32:43] <S3> I am working on an
Erlang Ocranet switch
L1228[18:32:46] <S3> it uses
Erlangonxen
L1229[18:32:48] <g> but there's no need
to write entire apps in it anymore
L1230[18:32:51] <S3> anyone ever played
with that/
L1231[18:33:03] <gm|and> without C we
wouldnt have video streaming on OC
L1232[18:33:14] <g> and OC wasn't
entirely written in C
L1233[18:33:22] <gm|and> ive not tried
erlangonxen
L1234[18:33:25] <gm|and> or heard of
it
L1235[18:33:27] <g> your point doesn't
contradict mine
L1236[18:33:27] <g> :P
L1237[18:33:29] <S3> imagine hundreds of
thousands of microscopic VMs on Xen all with an IPv6 address
performing network switching for Minecraft Ocranet
L1238[18:33:31] <S3> :)
L1239[18:33:43] <S3> all running
Erland
L1240[18:33:44] <g> imagine.. MY CPU IS
MELTING
L1241[18:33:45] <gm|and> g: my video
encoder was
L1242[18:33:46] <S3> Erlang*
L1243[18:33:55] <S3> g: lol
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L1246[18:34:07] <g> My point is that most
languages are fast enough that the speed tradeoff is negligible for
most tasks
L1247[18:34:14] <g> For those where it
isn't, you can simply call out to C
L1248[18:34:20] <S3> gm|and: and
Erlangonxen vms take like, 4ms to boot.
L1249[18:34:26] <S3> faster than any OS
you'd ever load
L1250[18:34:29] <g> that is, imo, the
only time where C is strictly necessary, aside from things that
can't run anything else
L1251[18:34:33] <gm|and> my point is that
for some things you definitely need speed
L1252[18:34:42] <g> yes, that is part of
my point
L1253[18:35:06] <vifino> S3: I tried to
get the linux runtime to work, but I couldn't.
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L1255[18:35:13] <S3> ?
L1256[18:35:16] <S3> vifino: oh?
L1257[18:35:34] <vifino> Yeah. The source
on github didn't compile.
L1258[18:35:48] <S3> What were you doing
that for?
L1259[18:36:21] <vifino> Who doesn't want
a single binary containing the whole erlang stuff you ever
need?
L1260[18:36:29] <gm|and> id also argue
that C can do pretty much anything <insert hipster.io lang
here> can do, although if theres a thing it cannot do you can
use an inkling of inline asm
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L1262[18:36:39] <Crinkly> Hi
L1263[18:36:52] <vifino> Imagine escript
being a single binary with no other dependencies.
L1264[18:36:57] <vifino> Man, that would
change things.
L1265[18:36:58] <gm|and> closures can be
done by passing a continuation struct
L1266[18:37:01] <g> gm|and, eeeeh,
kinda?
L1267[18:37:06] <S3> gm|and: pretty much
same thing in FORTH
L1268[18:37:10] <g> C isn't an OO
language
L1269[18:37:11] <S3> in Forth, you can
just be like...
L1270[18:37:15] <S3> CODE:
L1271[18:37:21] <S3> LDA $D021
L1272[18:37:22] <S3> END
L1273[18:37:26] <S3> lol
L1274[18:37:41] <gm|and> but i have also
done closures by dynamically assembling mini functions
L1275[18:37:43] <S3> It has a built in
runtime interpreter
L1276[18:37:47] <Crinkly> does anyone
have a lua program to record audio onto a computronics cassette
tape?
L1277[18:37:49] <S3> ewr sorry
L1278[18:37:51] <S3> assembler*
L1279[18:37:53] <S3> not
interpreter
L1280[18:38:05] <gm|and> C can do a lot
of things that oo langs can
L1281[18:38:09] <vifino> Crinkly: The
inbuilt "tape" program.
L1282[18:38:24] <S3> i have done OO in C
just fine
L1283[18:38:28] <vifino> `tape write
file.raw`.
L1284[18:38:36] <S3> but honestly
L1285[18:38:43] <gm|and> need classes?
just use structs and pass that into functions
L1286[18:38:53] <S3> I use Perl for any
OO stuff, because I haven't really found a language that gives me
more freedom than Perl with OOP
L1287[18:39:16] <vifino> S3: Have you
found a way to use newer erlang versions on erlangonxen?
L1288[18:39:27] <vifino> .17 (i think it
was) is kinda old.
L1289[18:39:28] <gm|and> need
encapsulation? opaque structs.
L1290[18:39:42] <S3> vifino: Never
tried
L1291[18:39:48] <gm|and> need to slow
shit down unnecessarily? call usleep.
L1292[18:40:08] <S3> vifino: I'm kind of
angry, because the Internet card doesn't do UDP yet
L1293[18:40:15] <S3> it makes Ocranet
slower
L1294[18:40:25] <S3> I need to remove
that bottleneck
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L1296[18:41:03] <Crinkly> Ahh, I see that
only works with OpenComputers and not with ComputerCraft
L1297[18:41:08] <S3> Does anybody have
any background process APIs for OpenOS?
L1298[18:41:19] <Izaya> Pretty sure the
lack of UDP is intentional
L1299[18:41:38] <gm|and> would still be
nice to have an option
L1300[18:41:46] <S3> Izaya: The only
reason would be because of the fact it isn't as common because
honestly it's easier to implement
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L1302[18:42:08] <S3> for java it's
probably the same you just specify UDP
L1303[18:42:18] <S3> there's no security
concerns or anything..
L1304[18:42:29] <Izaya> listening sockets
for receiving
L1305[18:42:42] <S3> Izaya: you don't
have to listen
L1306[18:42:45] <S3> thing is
L1307[18:42:52] <S3> when you use TCP you
do the SAME thing
L1308[18:42:58] <gm|and> main concern is
socket exhaustion so youd probably want to just use one socket and
NAT through it
L1309[18:42:58] <Izaya> I'm aware
L1310[18:43:06] <S3> you create a
listening socket, it just isn't listening for accept()
L1311[18:43:06] <Izaya> but it's more
controlled in TCP
L1312[18:43:12] <S3> same in UDP
L1313[18:43:15] <S3> it's the same-
thing
L1314[18:43:23] <S3> it just creates some
random high number port and bam
L1315[18:43:30] <S3> just like TCP
L1316[18:44:01] <gm|and> dont even need
to connect(), so no worries with blocking
L1317[18:44:07] <S3> exactly
L1318[18:44:13] <S3> that's why I'm using
it
L1319[18:44:27] <S3> I can just send
Ocranet cells in bulk
L1320[18:44:36] <S3> without
handshaking
L1321[18:45:37] <S3> TCP is really no
different except that the connection handshake is at the layer
below your working application layer
L1322[18:46:30] <gm|and> that and you can
bang packets in many different directions from one socket for
UDP
L1323[18:47:28] <S3> yes. UDP allows for
multicasting in a way that TCP is incapable
L1324[18:48:08] <SoraFirestorm> holy hell
new bucket texture
L1325[18:49:32] <S3> gm|and: Ocranet
OCRM-1 protocol works like a stream; every packet is up to 8KB in
size, but the cells can be halfway in one packet and halfway in the
other, because they are just continuous streams of the current
connections.
L1326[18:49:36] <S3> interlaced
L1327[18:50:19] <S3> so UDP is really
important
L1328[18:50:57] <gm|and> how do you get
past the MTU issues and how do you ensure adequate ordering?
L1329[18:51:57] <S3> MTU issues are more
of a TCP thing. per Cell, AAL5 handles ordering. OCRM-1 will do
sequencing ONLY if cells span packet borders :)
L1330[18:52:02] <S3> which is rare
L1331[18:52:15] <S3> most of the time
they will line right up
L1332[18:52:27] <S3> and not every packet
is 8KB
L1333[18:52:27] <gm|and> AAL5 = ?
L1334[18:52:48] <S3> AAL5 is a protocol
used on each end to handle dropped cells that need reliability,
etc
L1335[18:53:01] <S3> if need be
L1336[18:53:07] <S3> it's in a layer
higher
L1337[18:53:55] <gm|and> ah just looked
it up
L1338[18:54:00] <S3> gm|and: what happens
with UDP is that the 8KB frame becomes a jumboframe
L1339[18:54:39] <S3> the way my switches
work, is that it will send the packet when 8KB of traffic comes
through OR if the ticking timer times out, whichever comes
first
L1340[18:55:51] <vifino> Lets build
erlang and hope just changing a few variables in erlang on xen will
make it work with .18. Fingers crossed.
L1341[18:56:02] <S3> lol
L1342[18:56:05] <S3> do it!
L1343[18:56:08] <S3> do you have a
hypervisor?
L1344[18:56:29] <vifino> Not Xen
anyhow.
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L1346[18:57:08] <gm|and> oh yeah i have
linux on my laptop so i might be able to run xen
L1347[18:58:37] <S3> you'll need to build
a kernel with dom0 support
L1348[18:58:44] <S3> especially if yo udo
HVM like me
L1349[18:58:46] <S3> you*
L1350[18:59:05] <gm|and> yeah i may need
a rebuild
L1351[19:00:23] <S3> do a grep
"hypervisor" /proc/cpuinfo
L1352[19:00:29] <S3> and maybe vmx,
etc
L1353[19:00:48] <S3> just to make sure
you can or have it, if it says hypervisor it's built in
already
L1354[19:00:56] <S3> and vmx will let you
know if you have intel virt enabled
L1355[19:01:34] <SoraFirestorm> I want my
damn dual wield D:
L1356[19:01:47] <SoraFirestorm> damn you
Mojang
L1357[19:03:01] *
Kimiro dual-wields wood
L1358[19:03:03] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm:
install the mod
L1359[19:03:21] <Izaya> MSojang can't
beat mods, as usual
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L1362[19:05:06] <gm|and_> i know it
supports xen
L1363[19:05:37] <gm|and_> the comp itself
that is
L1364[19:05:51] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: is
there a mod already?
L1365[19:06:00] <Izaya> there is for
1.7
L1366[19:06:09] <SoraFirestorm> I'm using
1.9 atm :(
L1367[19:06:13] <SoraFirestorm> which mod
is it, though?
L1368[19:06:16] <Izaya> I don't pay any
attention to anything newer
L1369[19:06:28] <Izaya> it's called Dual
weilding, IIRC
L1370[19:06:33] <gm|and_> dual wield stun
baton and handcuffs
L1371[19:06:34] <Izaya> it's what MSojang
copied
L1372[19:06:38] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya:
yeah, well, we're starting to transition
L1373[19:06:52] <SoraFirestorm> Didn't
copy the 1 necessary piece
L1374[19:06:57] <SoraFirestorm> why not
swords?
L1375[19:06:58] <gm|and_> ss13 items
would be a great mod
L1376[19:06:59] <Izaya> the dual wielding
part
L1377[19:07:24] <SoraFirestorm> at least
1.9 boats are waaaay better
L1378[19:07:36] <SoraFirestorm> I tried
them in a snapshot and they were awful
L1379[19:07:40] <CompanionCube> gm|and_,
what would happen if you but a bag of holding inside another
though
L1380[19:07:48] <CompanionCube> Minecraft
doesn't have Gravitational Singularities.
L1381[19:07:55] <gm|and_> would need to
implement the singulo of course
L1382[19:08:16] <gm|and_> an ss13 mod
would def be good
L1383[19:08:54] <gm|and_> just need
different slots for clothing
L1384[19:09:11] <gm|and_> gloves and face
and ears come to mind
L1385[19:09:21] <CompanionCube> you'd be
able to implement all the roles except for Cyborg and AI.
L1386[19:09:25] <gm|and_> or just work
out how to go with whats there
L1387[19:09:27] <CompanionCube> and other
robots
L1388[19:09:45] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya:
you aren't referring to Mine and Blade, are you?
L1389[19:09:50] <gm|and_> ghosts would be
important to have
L1390[19:09:55] <Izaya> Dunno
L1391[19:09:57] <Izaya> never used the
mod
L1392[19:10:02] <SoraFirestorm> tried
that one
L1393[19:10:18] <Izaya> s/the/a dual
wielding/
L1394[19:10:19] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
never used a dual wielding mod
L1395[19:10:37] <gm|and_> and with that
said, swivel chairs are a must
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L1397[19:11:05] <Lizzy> Mine and Blade:
Battlegear, SoraFirestorm
L1398[19:11:12] <SoraFirestorm>
yeaaah
L1399[19:11:16] <SoraFirestorm> I tried
that one
L1400[19:11:23] <SoraFirestorm> wasn't
quite to my liking
L1401[19:11:31] <Lizzy> also i was only
half reading the chat
L1402[19:11:54] <CompanionCube> gm|and_,
you still wouldn't ever be able to have an AI be rogue
L1403[19:12:06] <gm|and_> 12.12 midday
and the moon is still up
L1404[19:12:25] <gm|and_> an ai can come
later
L1405[19:13:05] <gm|and_> easiest way to
do atmos things would be to have the station built underwater and
do a seabase instead
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L1409[19:22:55] <gm|and_> now waiting
until we can drive this car off this boat
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L1411[19:27:59] <vifino> S3: Nope, OTP 17
it is. :(
L1412[19:28:13] <Temia> Ah, ferry
service.
L1413[19:28:20] <Temia> Always the fun
part of island life.
L1414[19:29:17] <SoraFirestorm> not
enough fun toys for 1.9 :(
L1415[19:31:44] <SoraFirestorm> I'll give
it awhile before I do another go at it, that's for sure
L1416[19:38:05] <gm|and_> btw, less than
3 months until btm, update yer bloody mods
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L1418[19:40:38] <Crinkly> Could someone
help me get audio from a dfpwm file onto a computronics cassete
tape
L1419[19:40:44] <Crinkly> I've got my
computer set up
L1420[19:41:11] <gm|and_> run a web
server on your comp, python has one
L1421[19:41:24] <gm|and_> python -m
SimpleHTTPServer
L1422[19:41:25] <gm|and_> oslt
L1423[19:41:30] <SoraFirestorm>
oslt?
L1424[19:41:36] <Crinkly> What if i'm
playing on an online server
L1425[19:41:38] <gm|and_> or something
like that
L1426[19:41:44] <SoraFirestorm> neat
thanks
L1427[19:42:06] <gm|and_> find a place
where you can dump files for direct url download
L1428[19:42:34] <Crinkly> ok, i've got a
direct link to the file
L1429[19:42:36] <gm|and_> dropbox can
work but you need to mark a folder as public
L1430[19:42:41] <Crinkly> is there a way
to copy paste into the comp?
L1431[19:42:49] <gm|and_> sweet, now
copypaste it into OC
L1432[19:42:56] <gm|and_> tape write
http://...
L1433[19:42:59] <gm|and_> iirc
L1434[19:43:14] <Crinkly> ya, but ctrl +
v isnt working in OC
L1435[19:43:19] <Crinkly> for me at
least
L1436[19:43:22] <gm|and_> middle
click
L1437[19:43:34] <gm|and_> we are moving,
yay
L1438[19:45:06] <Mimiru> middle click or
insert
L1439[19:45:43] <Crinkly> Ahh, got it,
just need to make an internet card, thanks :)
L1440[19:46:50] <gm|and_> if you take
more than 2h i can upload some gems for you
L1441[19:47:19] <Crinkly> Sure :D
L1442[19:50:20] <Crinkly> Ah damn, only
takes http and not https
L1443[19:50:34] <Crinkly> Could you
recommend an uploader site?
L1444[19:51:36] <SoraFirestorm>
pastebin
L1445[19:51:45] <gm|and_> http://magicannon.com/bestofyou.dfpwm 8min
tape
L1446[19:52:02] <gm|and_> pastebin would
be bad
L1447[19:52:09] <gm|and_> try something
based on pomf
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L1449[19:52:43] <Izaya> cocaine.ninja is
good but I dunno if it lets you use http
L1450[19:52:59] <Izaya> redirects to
https
L1451[19:53:03] <Izaya> sane but kind of
annoying
L1452[19:53:21] <SoraFirestorm> oh, is
that not text?
L1453[19:53:22] <SoraFirestorm> my
bad
L1454[19:53:30] <SoraFirestorm> was not
paying close enough attention
L1455[19:53:37] <gm|and_> http://magicannon.com/jcmx.dfpwm 6min tape?
L1456[19:54:13] <gm|and_> but yeah highly
recommend bestofyou.dfpwm
L1457[19:54:20] <Crinkly> downloading atm
:P
L1458[19:54:30] <Crinkly> works using
computronics speakers ya?
L1459[19:54:37] <gm|and_> start it in a
populated area locked down
L1460[19:54:43] <gm|and_> and just leave
it running
L1461[19:54:49] <gm|and_> yes
L1462[19:54:56] <SoraFirestorm> lol
L1463[19:55:02] <SoraFirestorm> 'locked
down'
L1464[19:55:06] <SoraFirestorm> 'leave it
running'
L1465[19:55:12] <SoraFirestorm> that
sounds like fun
L1466[19:55:25] <gm|and_> youll want to
stay for at least 3m30s
L1467[19:55:38] <gm|and_> but out of
sight
L1468[19:57:20] <gm|and_> for btm16.2 i
think ill have a booth for ocmips called "watching paint
dry"
L1469[19:57:40] <gm|and_> watch your
favourite programs take forever to load
L1470[19:57:56] *
CompanionCube should do a project for BTM1.2
L1471[19:58:01] <CompanionCube>
16.2
L1472[19:58:03] <gm|and_> because the
programs are bigger than ram
L1473[19:59:37] <Crinkly> oh lol
L1474[19:59:44] <Crinkly> my song just
came out as random noises
L1475[20:00:00] <Crinkly> did you use
LionRay wav to .dfpwm?
L1476[20:00:14] <gm|and_> yes, ocmips
with the right software will let you run software bigger than ram
without cheating
L1477[20:00:29] <gm|and_> i used the
reference encoder
L1478[20:00:49] <gm|and_> wait which tape
drives are these?
L1479[20:01:03] <Crinkly>
computronics
L1480[20:01:22] <gm|and_> those tapes i
provided should be fine
L1481[20:01:31] <Crinkly> Yea yours
worked fine lol
L1482[20:01:37] <Crinkly> at least the
bestofus did
L1483[20:01:40] <gm|and_> they were fine
for btm16 anyway
L1484[20:01:42] <Crinkly> havent tried
the other one
L1485[20:01:49] <gm|and_> play the ehole
tape
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L1487[20:03:24] <gm|and_> lionray should
work but i dont know the limits
L1488[20:04:09] <Crinkly> it converted
the file but when i put the file onto the tape it was just random
noises
L1489[20:04:27] <gm|and_> what exactly
was the source format
L1490[20:04:32] <Crinkly> wav
L1491[20:04:32] <gm|and_> i mean
exactly
L1492[20:04:41] <gm|and_> i said i mean
exactly
L1493[20:04:51] <Crinkly> i'll
check
L1494[20:04:52] <Crinkly> :)
L1495[20:04:54] <gm|and_> how many
channels, how many bits, any weird codecs
L1496[20:04:58] <Crinkly> probably mp3
and just renamed
L1497[20:05:13] <gm|and_> got a hex
editor?
L1498[20:05:35] <gm|and_> im guessing it
used 24bit OR float32
L1499[20:05:49] <gm|and_> more likely the
latter
L1500[20:06:14] <gm|and_> try converting
it to 16bit mono
L1501[20:06:27] <Crinkly> yea ive got a
hex editor
L1502[20:07:13] <gm|and_> check the first
few bytes of the wav
L1503[20:07:28] <gm|and_> should be
RIFF....WAVEfmt ....
L1504[20:07:57] <gm|and_> i still suspect
you gave it a floating point wav
L1505[20:08:30] <Crinkly>
RIFFHº1.WAVEfmt
L1506[20:08:50] <gm|and_> yeah thats a
wav alright
L1507[20:09:07] <gm|and_> use sound
recorder to find out more info about the wav
L1508[20:10:01] <gm|and_> you could
possibly try using wabbitoe if thats still available for
download
L1509[20:10:44] <gm|and_> i think
wabbitoe is more likely to explode if you use weird
parameters
L1510[20:11:49] <Crinkly> hmm, cant seem
to find any DL links for wawbitoe
L1511[20:12:12] <Crinkly> sample rate
should be 32768 in Lionray ya?
L1512[20:12:26] <gm|and_> yeah
32768
L1513[20:12:50] <Crinkly> hmmm
L1514[20:12:59] <Izaya> okay
L1515[20:13:13] <Izaya> sanest way to
share input between multiple X servers: x2x
L1516[20:13:24] <Izaya> only needs to be
installed on one machine, for a start
L1517[20:13:44] <gm|and_> https://github.com/ChenThread/dfpwm
L1518[20:13:50] <S3> Ever wonder why a
chicken coop only has two doors?
L1519[20:13:59] <gm|and_> if you have
javac handy
L1520[20:14:10] <S3> It's because if it
had four doors it'd be a chicken sedan
L1521[20:17:48] <Crinkly> hmm, i would
have no idea what im doing with that
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L1523[20:20:26] <Crinkly> im im
converting an mp3 to wav, what should i set the bit res, sampling
rate and audio channels too? i assume the rate is 32768 as you said
earleir
L1524[20:20:46] <Crinkly> audio channel
on mono
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L1526[20:34:22] <vifino> S3: railing
(LING/erlangonxen's generation tool) is stupid to work with.
:(
L1527[20:35:06] <vifino> First off, it
compiles OTP for every project, no way to just precompile it and
embed it into the binary. :/
L1528[20:36:02] <vifino> Then it is
really shitty in terms of module auto start. Afaik it only loads
modules if you tell it via command line arguments. ( to the
resulting binary, not from the darn generation tool. q_q)
L1529[20:36:13] <vifino> Ugh. I need to
fork it.
L1530[20:36:17] <vifino> I need to fix
this ugly mess.
L1531[20:36:38] <vifino> Same with MAD.
It's LING helper doesn't fucking work.
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L1534[20:44:18] <vifino> Goodness, the
posix platform of LING is basic.
L1535[20:44:18] <Izaya> This other box I
have is actually quite nice
L1536[20:44:36] <vifino> Might as well
implement some of these stubs.
L1537[20:45:11] <vifino> disk_get_info
return's 0 in the posix platform. Always.
L1538[20:45:18] <vifino> Nice
implementation, there.
L1539[20:47:52] <SoraFirestorm> btw
L1540[20:48:10] <SoraFirestorm> does
anyone know if the bash on windows thing resulted in windows being
able to read real fses?
L1541[20:51:29] *
vifino picks up Lizzy and goes to bed with her
L1542[20:57:16] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm:
unlikley
L1543[20:57:54] <Izaya> it's probably
more like running a linux container minus the real linux kernel
than running Linux in a VM
L1544[20:58:06] <Izaya> syscall
translation and all that
L1545[20:59:01] <SoraFirestorm>
bleh
L1546[21:02:26] <Izaya> https://lain.shadowkat.net/~izaya/img/multibox.png
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L1548[21:19:29] <CompanionCube> Izaya: it
would be very viable to do things the flinux way, especially when
you have deeper access
L1549[21:19:58] <Izaya> I have no idea
what the flinux way is
L1550[21:20:00] <CompanionCube> That one
emulates syscalls and a limited unixy filesystem...all in
userland
L1551[21:20:05] <Izaya> ohok
L1552[21:20:17] <Izaya> my question about
all of this though
L1553[21:20:42] <CompanionCube> since
this is by microsoft themselves, they could likely improve due to
having kernel access
L1554[21:20:47] <Izaya> why not export
your C: over SMB, spin up a Linux VM on your local machine and run
a local X server?
L1555[21:21:13] <CompanionCube> good luck
running a WM.
L1556[21:21:39] <Izaya> good luck running
a WM the current way
L1557[21:21:40] <CompanionCube> unless
you run it in an actual VM
L1558[21:21:54] <Izaya> also, blackbox
for Windows exists
L1559[21:22:06] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
even with the linux env
L1560[21:22:12] <CompanionCube> most WMs
are brok
L1561[21:22:16] <Izaya> yup
L1562[21:22:25] <Izaya> because there's
no real X server to manage
L1563[21:22:40] <Izaya> and any that
there is to manage, dwm.exe takes
L1564[21:22:48] <Izaya> tl;dr run an
XFCE4 panel
L1565[21:22:55] <Izaya> or a dock
L1566[21:23:06] <Izaya> just so you can
launch your stuff to access your VM
L1567[21:23:12] <Izaya> because your VM
has a sane filesystem
L1568[21:23:34] <Izaya> and it can be
stuff other than Ubuntu
L1569[21:23:43] <SoraFirestorm> kinda
wish there was a safe way to boot an installed OS on a VM
L1570[21:23:49] <CompanionCube> Izaya: I
mean
L1571[21:23:59] <Izaya> ... Microsoft and
Canonical make a good pair
L1572[21:24:04] <CompanionCube> Even
combining linux env + Xming
L1573[21:24:05] <SoraFirestorm> meaning,
I'd like to boot the Linux I already have on my HDD
L1574[21:24:10] <CompanionCube> Most WMs
were brok iirc
L1575[21:24:16] <Izaya> yup
L1576[21:24:30] <CompanionCube>
SoraFirestorm: while you can boot a VM from a physical disk
L1577[21:24:36] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm:
you could probably do that if it's a separate disk
L1578[21:24:38] <CompanionCube> It's
rarely a gopd idea
L1579[21:24:58] <Izaya> and you use
either fancy vmware or Hyper-V because of course it requires crazy
shit no-one knows how to do on Windows
L1580[21:25:32] <SoraFirestorm> It's not
a separate disk, and there's not a way to change that here
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L1582[21:25:41] <SoraFirestorm> I knew it
was rather unsafe anyhow
L1583[21:25:57] <CompanionCube> brb
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L1599[23:40:11] <Shuudoushi> http://media.giphy.com/media/Vo1E02XMea8U/giphy.gif
L1600[23:40:33] <SoraFirestorm> hah,
yeah
L1601[23:40:34] <SoraFirestorm> oh
hey
L1602[23:40:38] <SoraFirestorm> that
reminds me
L1603[23:41:10] <SoraFirestorm> I have
something for you
L1604[23:41:12] <SoraFirestorm> kinda
sorta
L1605[23:41:13] <SoraFirestorm> hold
on
L1606[23:41:32] <Shuudoushi> for me
o.O
L1607[23:41:37] <SoraFirestorm>
yeaaaah
L1608[23:41:42] <Shuudoushi> O.O
L1609[23:41:53] *
Shuudoushi is afraid...
L1610[23:42:35] <SoraFirestorm>
naaaah
L1611[23:43:05] <Shuudoushi> windows...
if you keep being a POS, I'm going back to linux for a week again
-_-
L1612[23:43:53] <Shuudoushi> oh! good
news everyone!
L1613[23:44:49] <SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS/pull/59
L1614[23:45:10] <SoraFirestorm> I
realized the way I did the log stuff in the readable number
function was dumb
L1615[23:45:18] <SoraFirestorm> I fixed
it for you
L1616[23:45:20] <Shuudoushi> after my old
engine bit the fucking dust in a rather bug way, I decided to just
replace the fucker. I almost have a running car again :D
L1617[23:45:31] <SoraFirestorm> yay
car!
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L1619[23:46:03] <SoraFirestorm>
anyways
L1620[23:46:05] <SoraFirestorm> there you
go
L1621[23:46:34] <Shuudoushi> lol,
thanks
L1622[23:46:51] <SoraFirestorm> I'm kinda
OCD, what can I say? :P
L1623[23:47:15] <Shuudoushi> XD
L1624[23:47:30] <SoraFirestorm> well, and
it's cleaner and ever-so-slightly faster
L1625[23:47:38] <Shuudoushi> I'm thinking
real hard about just doing a full rewrite of my update script still
>.>
L1626[23:48:15] <Shuudoushi> taking out
all the wget stuff and just calling the component directly and
all
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