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L3[00:13:20] <SoraFirestorm> speaking of programming

L4[00:13:27] <SoraFirestorm> I did what I said I wasn't going to do :(

L5[00:13:32] <SoraFirestorm> I installed Eclipse :(

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L10[00:16:40] <SoraFirestorm> did you get your highlighting sorted out Kodos?

L11[00:16:53] <Kodos> No, but I did get the 153 packages updated that I needed to

L12[00:17:05] <Kodos> And now i'm on W7 again, so I'll just np++

L13[00:17:09] <SoraFirestorm> I don't think that nano does sh :/

L14[00:18:00] <Kodos> It was listed in my options, but no matter what I did, it wouldn't take

L15[00:18:06] <Kodos> brb a sec

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L17[00:19:24] <SoraFirestorm> I stand corrected

L18[00:19:28] <SoraFirestorm> it does over here

L19[00:19:36] <Kodos> How'd you activate it

L20[00:19:56] <SoraFirestorm> I opened the file :P

L21[00:20:04] <Kodos> Huh

L22[00:20:08] <Kodos> Doesn't work for me

L23[00:20:12] <Kodos> Ah well

L24[00:20:14] <Kodos> vim works fine

L25[00:20:25] <SoraFirestorm> kinda file were you trying? I opened a C source file.

L26[00:20:29] <Kodos> Lua

L27[00:20:34] <SoraFirestorm> ah

L28[00:20:43] <SoraFirestorm> I wouldn't be suprised if nano didn't know how to do that

L29[00:20:47] <SoraFirestorm> Emacs by default doesn't

L30[00:20:53] <SoraFirestorm> (for some strange reason)

L31[00:21:06] <payonel> Lua isn't very common

L32[00:21:19] <SoraFirestorm> I've seen things I've never heard of

L33[00:21:26] <SoraFirestorm> ymmv

L34[00:21:52] <SoraFirestorm> weeellll

L35[00:21:56] <SoraFirestorm> I stand corrected again

L36[00:21:59] <SoraFirestorm> opened a Lua file

L37[00:22:02] <Kodos> I remember when I first started coming around here, and a few of the regulars would talk about Brainfuck. I always thought it was something they made up

L38[00:22:02] <SoraFirestorm> It's highlighting

L39[00:22:18] <SoraFirestorm> GNU nano 2.4.2

L40[00:22:25] <Vexatos> Kodos, but it is

L41[00:22:26] <Kodos> I think I have 2.2.5

L42[00:22:27] <Kodos> err

L43[00:22:28] <Kodos> .6

L44[00:22:31] <SoraFirestorm> colors are nasty-ass ugly though

L45[00:22:33] <Vexatos> it's just not us who made it up

L46[00:22:34] <Vexatos> ;)

L47[00:22:35] <Kodos> Will have to try updating

L48[00:23:39] <SoraFirestorm> which, btw, makes me wonder

L49[00:24:01] <SoraFirestorm> why the hell can nano highlight Lua by default but Emacs doesn't ship with a Lua mode?

L50[00:24:16] <Kodos> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L51[00:24:20] <Kodos> Maybe emacs sucks?

L52[00:24:35] <SoraFirestorm> meh

L53[00:24:56] <SoraFirestorm> nothing that can't be fixed by installing lua-mode :P

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L55[00:32:58] <SoraFirestorm> I'd think though that Lua would be popular enough to ship a mode in the standard distribution of Emacs...

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L57[00:34:06] <payonel> emacs is old, lua is young -- a lot of people that use emacs seriously have never even heard of lua

L58[00:34:32] <SoraFirestorm> Lua isn't *that* young

L59[00:34:39] <SoraFirestorm> sure, GNU Emacs has a few years on it

L60[00:35:14] <SoraFirestorm> there's only a difference of ~9 years...

L61[00:35:32] <SoraFirestorm> 8, actually

L62[00:35:35] <greaser|q> emacs is also not known for being small

L63[00:35:50] <greaser|q> but eclipse is a thing so i think they gave up on trying to be the heaviest

L64[00:36:01] <SoraFirestorm> which is why it should include lua-mode in the std dist! :)

L65[00:36:45] <SoraFirestorm> but eclipse can't do tons of neat things

L66[00:36:58] <SoraFirestorm> Eclipse can't claim to be heavy when I can't do IRC or email with it :(

L67[00:37:11] <SoraFirestorm> (Or webbrowse or play games or use git or...)

L68[00:37:13] <greaser|q> for instance eclipse can't correct subtle goofups in your grammar

L69[00:37:29] <greaser|q> eclipse is size-heavy, not functionality-heavy

L70[00:37:37] <SoraFirestorm> :P

L71[00:37:41] <greaser|q> (i've heard there's a plugin for emacs which actually does correct your grammar as you type)

L72[00:37:59] <SoraFirestorm> wouldn't be surprised...

L73[00:38:32] <SoraFirestorm> you know

L74[00:38:51] <SoraFirestorm> I'm wondering when (if) PIL 2nd Ed will become free-to-read

L75[00:39:12] <SoraFirestorm> 2nd Ed is almost 10 years old now...

L76[00:40:06] <SoraFirestorm> I understand people need to get paid and all

L77[00:40:09] <SoraFirestorm> but still

L78[00:41:37] <Kodos> I just want Kindle editions

L79[00:41:46] <Kodos> So I can read on the go, and learn how to do more advanced stuff

L80[00:42:14] <SoraFirestorm> My Lua has kinda rusted on me

L81[00:42:23] <SoraFirestorm> at least some of the advanced stuff

L82[00:43:54] <greaser|q> setmetatable(_ENV,{__index=function(k,v) return "ass" end})

L83[00:44:18] <Kodos> One idea I had was for localization setups

L84[00:44:40] <Kodos> So I could have the strings in my programs be translated, and just use options to select a non-english language

L85[00:44:50] <SoraFirestorm> I really really like Lua

L86[00:44:51] <SoraFirestorm> but if you need to do anything that's not in the stdlib

L87[00:44:51] <SoraFirestorm> it's a major PITA

L88[00:45:14] <Kodos> Even still, it's a pretty damn robust language

L89[00:45:20] <Kodos> Sure, not as great as some others, but still

L90[00:45:25] <payonel> i'd like to write shell scripts in lua. i poked around a tiny about and heard a lot of ppl say it was really bad

L91[00:45:31] <payonel> it this accurate?

L92[00:45:57] <SoraFirestorm> define 'shell scripts'?

L93[00:46:23] <payonel> well good point in that i'm unclear there

L94[00:46:41] <payonel> i wish i could shell out lines like perl can, `asdf`, but the rest be just Lua

L95[00:47:18] <SoraFirestorm> os.execute()?

L96[00:47:26] <SoraFirestorm> that's kinda sorta shelling out

L97[00:47:51] <payonel> but getting stdout? i guess i could popen a shell command

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L99[00:48:02] <SoraFirestorm> ah, yeah

L100[00:48:03] <payonel> i realize that this is something i looked into a long time ago

L101[00:48:12] <payonel> i've learned quite a bit about lua since then

L102[00:48:13] <SoraFirestorm> I've never done it, but that's the 'right' way

L103[00:48:21] <payonel> but i wonder why what i DID find was a lot of negativity about it

L104[00:48:54] <SoraFirestorm> likely because Lua has weak OS facilities owing to being completeing ISO/ANSI C

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L106[00:50:46] <payonel> Lua has great os facilities! heck..i bet one could write an os in lua

L107[00:50:50] <payonel> :troll:

L108[00:51:18] <SoraFirestorm> funny thing

L109[00:51:46] <SoraFirestorm> I was going to try do to that

L110[00:51:57] <SoraFirestorm> have an OS where Lua is the system language

L111[00:52:06] <SoraFirestorm> almost like the port of plan9k

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L113[00:52:48] <payonel> Lua enabled great pet projects for me

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L115[00:52:59] <payonel> but i also love memory-things

L116[00:53:03] <payonel> and Lua hides that from me

L117[00:53:04] <SoraFirestorm> it ended up stalling

L118[00:53:21] <SoraFirestorm> next time I try that, I'm going to use a Lisp, probably custom-written

L119[00:53:28] <payonel> building a heavy-weight software like an OS would drive me a bit nuts after a while

L120[00:55:09] <gamax92> welp, time to hit the bed.

L121[00:55:19] * gamax92 punches bed to sleep

L122[00:56:03] <SoraFirestorm> do a piledrive!!

L123[00:56:07] <SoraFirestorm> :D

L124[01:04:34] <SoraFirestorm> lua still needs a __type metamethod..

L125[01:06:18] <Vexatos> yes please ;_;

L126[01:06:20] <Vexatos> Selene adds one

L127[01:06:21] <Vexatos> :P

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L132[01:09:40] <Kodos> Stuff like metamethods are the reason I want PIL

L133[01:09:44] <Kodos> So i can learn all that

L134[01:10:03] <Vexatos> The book?

L135[01:10:25] <Vexatos> or http://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html

L136[01:10:41] <Kodos> Book

L137[01:10:45] <Vexatos> I read it

L138[01:10:51] <Vexatos> Pretty good

L139[01:11:04] <Vexatos> you should be able to get it at any decently big university library

L140[01:11:49] <Kodos> I have it wishlisted on Amazon

L141[01:11:52] <Kodos> 3rd edition

L142[01:12:06] <Vexatos> if you're going to buy it, even better :P

L143[01:12:21] <Vexatos> just saying, a library usually is well enough for programming manuals :P

L144[01:12:37] <Kodos> Yeah, I'm planning on purchasing

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L149[01:17:34] <SoraFirestorm> I think the thing that would make Lua damn near perfect is a builtin FFI

L150[01:18:18] <payonel> what's something you'd use __type for? i dont need it for inheritance. i dont need it for reflection

L151[01:18:29] <SoraFirestorm> consistency

L152[01:18:46] <SoraFirestorm> doing OOP programming where I want to know what a type is

L153[01:18:58] <SoraFirestorm> be able to use type() like everywhere else

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L155[01:19:12] <payonel> sure, but -- you could just define your own get_type()

L156[01:19:30] <SoraFirestorm> that breaks consistency

L157[01:19:39] <SoraFirestorm> it's possible to add the metamethod yourself

L158[01:19:45] <SoraFirestorm> but it breaks on odd edge cases

L159[01:19:51] <payonel> i'm just saying, i dont see a big advantage, besides consistency with other metamethods

L160[01:20:08] <SoraFirestorm> namely, you have to give up being able to protect the metatable

L161[01:20:15] <payonel> in fact, i dont see any advantage besides consistency

L162[01:20:26] <SoraFirestorm> is consistency not good enough on its own?

L163[01:21:03] <payonel> it might be. when would get_type break?

L164[01:21:29] <SoraFirestorm> well, depending on how you implemented it

L165[01:21:31] <SoraFirestorm> it wouldn't

L166[01:21:44] <SoraFirestorm> lemme type up an example of what I mean

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L173[01:31:11] <SoraFirestorm> payonel: http://pastebin.com/5ZDgwYxC

L174[01:31:18] <SoraFirestorm> pastebin screwed up my formatting, sorry

L175[01:33:23] <payonel> np. i never have used the __metatable meta field.

L176[01:33:43] <SoraFirestorm> right

L177[01:33:48] <SoraFirestorm> beyond that, it should work fine

L178[01:33:53] <payonel> ah, used to hide the metable?

L179[01:33:58] <payonel> weird

L180[01:34:00] <payonel> :)

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L182[01:34:08] <SoraFirestorm> that's one of the things it can be used for

L183[01:34:16] <SoraFirestorm> but yeah

L184[01:34:43] <SoraFirestorm> the price for being providing the metamethod is giving up __metatable

L185[01:34:55] <Kodos> My problem is i don't even know what metatables/metamethods are as a whole

L186[01:35:02] <SoraFirestorm> otherwise you end up locking yourself out of the metatable

L187[01:35:46] <payonel> Kodos: they're just a bunch of methods (or member fields) that are called (or returned) in place of normal default behavior in lua

L188[01:36:05] <payonel> like, if you don't want your string len to be 10, instead you want to lie about it and say it is 5

L189[01:36:27] <payonel> or, if you have a string, but really it is a stream of bytes over the network

L190[01:36:44] <SoraFirestorm> uhm

L191[01:36:46] <payonel> so when the user calls #my_string, you can return the real size

L192[01:36:49] <SoraFirestorm> strings are a really bad example

L193[01:36:54] <SoraFirestorm> because you can't modify the string mt

L194[01:37:13] <payonel> true, i fake it with tables

L195[01:37:21] <payonel> but yes, that makes literal strings a bad example

L196[01:37:32] <payonel> Kodos: so say you have a table :)

L197[01:37:43] <payonel> but you want it to behave like a string because it is doing more in the background

L198[01:38:01] <payonel> but you want it to behave like a string, you can intercept calls like # on it

L199[01:38:22] <payonel> or, say you have a table -- that has some methods on it

L200[01:38:34] <payonel> but you want the user to see more methods that actually come from other tables

L201[01:38:47] <payonel> you can intercept pairs() to call your own thing

L202[01:40:09] <Kodos> I have no idea what you're talking about

L203[01:40:17] <payonel> they're very bad examples

L204[01:40:18] <Kodos> This shit is why I need to read PIL

L205[01:40:19] <payonel> :)

L206[01:40:24] <SoraFirestorm> :)

L207[01:40:24] <Kodos> Yeah, but it's not just that

L208[01:40:31] <Kodos> I don't even know enough to KNOW they're bad examples

L209[01:40:49] <payonel> ok ok, one more example

L210[01:40:51] <payonel> i'm sure it's just as bad

L211[01:40:58] <payonel> but it's something i actually use them for, in OpenOS

L212[01:41:18] <payonel> i wanted to remove a bunch of unused code from boot

L213[01:41:27] <payonel> because it was loading a ton of crap, and costing memory

L214[01:41:45] <payonel> but i can't just remote some_lib.xyz() because, kodos_1337_script uses it

L215[01:41:54] <payonel> with me still?

L216[01:42:08] <SoraFirestorm> s/remote/remove/

L217[01:42:08] <MichiBot> <payonel> but i can't just remove some_lib.xyz() because, kodos_1337_script uses it

L218[01:42:12] <SoraFirestorm> ftfy

L219[01:42:16] <payonel> thanks

L220[01:47:29] <SoraFirestorm> think you scared him away, payonel :)

L221[01:47:31] <CompanionCube> 'A nuclear power plant in Germany has been found to be infected with computer viruses, but they appear not to have posed a threat to the facility's operations because it is isolated from the Internet, the station's operator said on Tuesday.'

L222[01:48:04] <payonel> yeah i think so

L223[01:48:14] <payonel> Kodos: if you come back -- i'll finish my example

L224[01:48:22] <Kodos> still here just eating

L225[01:48:31] <CompanionCube> of course

L226[01:48:43] <CompanionCube> said nuclear plant runs Windows, likely a very old version too

L227[01:49:16] <payonel> so i made some_lib load in a special way. so it doesn't actually have the costly and unused method xyz on the table. it's nil, it's not there

L228[01:49:42] <payonel> but i also fake the output of pairs(), so if a user is in the lua prompt, and they use something like for k,v in pairs(some_lib) do print(k) end

L229[01:49:52] <payonel> they'll SEE the methods, even though they are NOT on the table

L230[01:50:11] <payonel> and when they try to use the method some_lib.xyz(), i THEN actually load it from the disk

L231[01:50:18] <payonel> this is possible thanks to metamethods

L232[01:50:31] <Kodos> So in theory

L233[01:50:35] <Kodos> I could make my lib super large

L234[01:50:38] <SoraFirestorm> payonel: where is this magic, btw?

L235[01:50:44] <Kodos> But only have it load parts that are needed

L236[01:50:46] <payonel> SoraFirestorm: /lib/package.lua

L237[01:50:55] <SoraFirestorm> thanks

L238[01:51:15] <payonel> Kodos: to be honest, this is a strange hack for a very special purpose, to makes openos load with low mem cost, without changing existing api

L239[01:51:33] <payonel> if api didn't matter, i'd probably makes things a bit cleaner than that

L240[01:51:54] <payonel> but metamethods DO let you make decisions later, when the table is actually being used

L241[01:52:01] <payonel> #lua os.clock()

L242[01:52:01] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 87.546668

L243[01:52:03] <payonel> #lua os.clock()

L244[01:52:03] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 87.548124

L245[01:52:15] <SoraFirestorm> is __pair a custom mm?

L246[01:52:32] <SoraFirestorm> s/pair/pairs/

L247[01:52:33] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> is __pairs a custom mm?

L248[01:53:11] <payonel> #lua payo_time=setmetatable({},{__index=function(key,tbl) if key>os.clock() then return "FUTURE" else return "PAST" end end})

L249[01:53:12] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L250[01:53:20] <payonel> #lua os.clock()

L251[01:53:20] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 87.553877

L252[01:53:42] <payonel> #lua return payo_time[87.6], payo_time[87.5]

L253[01:53:42] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to compare number with table

L254[01:53:48] <SoraFirestorm> it's tbl, key...

L255[01:53:52] <payonel> doh

L256[01:54:00] <payonel> #lua payo_time=setmetatable({},{__index=function(tbl,key) if key>os.clock() then return "FUTURE" else return "PAST" end end})

L257[01:54:00] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L258[01:54:02] <payonel> #lua return payo_time[87.6], payo_time[87.5]

L259[01:54:02] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > FUTURE | PAST

L260[01:54:07] <payonel> thanks

L261[01:54:10] <SoraFirestorm> yup

L262[01:54:42] <payonel> and yes, __pairs is mm

L263[01:54:54] <payonel> i think __ipairs is deprecated in 5.3

L264[01:55:01] <payonel> they say i think to just use __pairs

L265[01:55:02] <SoraFirestorm> huh

L266[01:55:05] <payonel> or something like that

L267[01:55:11] <SoraFirestorm> not documented in 5.3 manual

L268[01:55:24] <SoraFirestorm> oops

L269[01:55:26] <SoraFirestorm> it is

L270[01:55:30] <SoraFirestorm> just not with the other mms

L271[01:55:34] <SoraFirestorm> that's pretty dumb

L272[01:56:13] <payonel> Kodos: metamethods are more about -- i want my table to do this weird hidden thing so the user thinks it's a simple normal table, but i can hide complex things under the "table"

L273[01:57:14] <payonel> #lua tbl=setmetatable({a="value of A","

L274[01:57:14] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: unfinished string near <eof>

L275[01:57:50] <payonel> #lua tbl=setmetatable({a="value of A",b="value of B"},{__index=function(_,k)print("ouch, i dont have " .. k .. "yet!"end})

L276[01:57:50] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: ')' expected near 'end'

L277[01:57:56] <payonel> #lua tbl=setmetatable({a="value of A",b="value of B"},{__index=function(_,k)print("ouch, i dont have " .. k .. "yet!")end})

L278[01:57:56] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L279[01:58:06] <payonel> #lua return tbl.a, tbl.b

L280[01:58:06] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > value of A | value of B

L281[01:58:11] <payonel> #lua return tbl.c

L282[01:58:11] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [sex] ouch, i dont have cyet! | nil

L283[01:58:16] <payonel> haha, stupid print

L284[01:58:21] <SoraFirestorm> lol

L285[01:58:35] <payonel> #lua tbl=setmetatable({a="value of A",b="value of B"},{__index=function(_,k)print("ouch, i dont have " .. k .. " yet!")end}) return tbl.c

L286[01:58:35] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [sex] ouch, i dont have c yet! | nil

L287[01:58:55] <SoraFirestorm> I'm surprised ipairs isn't deprecated...

L288[01:59:01] <payonel> i thought it was

L289[01:59:08] <SoraFirestorm> it might be

L290[01:59:14] <SoraFirestorm> lemme check the backlog of manuals

L291[02:01:26] <SoraFirestorm> ooooh

L292[02:01:35] <SoraFirestorm> it was something else I thought was gone

L293[02:01:43] <SoraFirestorm> table.foreach and table.foreachi

L294[02:01:47] <SoraFirestorm> still

L295[02:01:58] <SoraFirestorm> not like you can't implement ipairs in lua...

L296[02:05:35] <SoraFirestorm> function sora_ipairs(t) local i = 0 local len = #t return function() i = i + 1 if i <= n then return i, t[i] end end end

L297[02:05:36] <Kodos> Ugh, did he mess with the sandbox again

L298[02:08:44] <SoraFirestorm> need to bed

L299[02:08:46] <SoraFirestorm> it's late

L300[02:08:47] <SoraFirestorm> o/

L301[02:09:07] <payonel> goodnight sora

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L303[02:22:48] <Izaya> planned feature for my OS: have a way to replace the spawn process function with a dontdie function so when a function errors it gets restarted

L304[02:22:59] <Izaya> ie for stuff that it would be bad if it died

L305[02:43:57] <Temia> Isn't the lazy way just to wrap the program execution in a pcall?

L306[02:45:33] <Izaya> that would be what the function does

L307[02:45:38] <Izaya> :D

L308[02:47:34] <Izaya> ~w signals

L309[02:47:34] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:signals

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L313[03:14:02] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/WTmkEu8.png so my OS can get input and do output now.

L314[03:14:38] <payonel> Izaya: nice!

L315[03:15:03] <Izaya> It's not particularly pleasant to use under heavy load though

L316[03:15:07] <Izaya> It seems keys get dropped

L317[03:17:10] <Izaya> There's a bunch of stuff I swear was different a year ago

L318[03:17:43] <Izaya> like s:sub(1,-1) used to return all but the last character

L319[03:17:46] <Izaya> now it's -2

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L321[03:18:48] <payonel> i'm relatively new to this community and Lua, for me, it's always been (1,-1) for full string

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L323[03:19:00] <Izaya> weird

L324[03:19:05] <Izaya> maybe my memory is flaky as usual

L325[03:19:24] <Izaya> hm

L326[03:19:58] <Izaya> so this is currently restricted to ASCII

L327[03:20:03] <Izaya> the display server is

L328[03:20:15] <Izaya> due to me breaking it up and printing single bytes at a time

L329[03:22:40] <Izaya> I could both increase speed and fix that if I figured out what was a control character and what wasn't

L330[03:22:48] <Izaya> and then only breaking at control characters

L331[03:22:50] * Izaya hrms

L332[03:23:16] <Izaya> So in other news once I impliment the filesystem I have a fully functional OS, current code size is all of 2k

L333[03:23:25] <Izaya> 1738 bytes, to be precise

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L335[03:24:28] <Izaya> if you drop the keyboard and video drivers, the code size is ~500 bytes

L336[03:24:42] <Izaya> dunno what it'll be like after I impliment the network drivers though

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L338[03:26:42] <Stary2001> so. they re-deployed the PCs in here, and the only thing is Office

L339[03:26:44] <Stary2001> not even chrome

L340[03:26:56] <Izaya> ._.

L341[03:27:05] <Izaya> just use Excel to download chrome

L342[03:27:18] <g> You can use the windows help system to access t'internet

L343[03:28:32] <Stary2001> lol

L344[03:28:38] <Stary2001> all hail rdp?

L345[03:28:50] <Izaya> (The ._. was for whoever deployed the machines)

L346[03:28:52] <Stary2001> and my usb stick witha bunch portable apps on it

L347[03:28:55] <Stary2001> Izaya, yes.

L348[03:28:57] <g> :P

L349[03:31:50] <Kodos> JSON really reminds me of Lua Tables

L350[03:35:26] <g> I have a feeling that JSON is older than that

L351[03:38:05] <payonel> i dont think so, json was meant for browsers and web apps

L352[03:38:14] <payonel> lua predates json

L353[03:38:40] <asie> https://twitter.com/asiekierka/status/725604830627110912

L354[03:38:40] <MichiBot> Thu Apr 28 03:37:27 CDT 2016 @asiekierka: https://t.co/Wt4S7fzLPh

L355[03:38:43] <asie> fanciness

L356[03:39:40] <payonel> asie: cute! i like them

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L358[03:39:53] <asie> essentially, a second generation of BetterStorage locks

L359[03:39:59] <asie> they now work on everything implementing ILockableContainer

L360[03:40:07] <asie> which is every single thing in vanilla and apparently Iron Chests

L361[03:40:54] <payonel> every single thing in vanilla? like, furnaces too?

L362[03:41:00] <asie> payonel: yes

L363[03:41:10] <asie> every single thing with a right-clickable inventory in vanilla implements it

L364[03:41:15] <payonel> crafting tables?

L365[03:41:17] <payonel> oh, ok

L366[03:41:21] <asie> crafting tables lack an inventory

L367[03:41:27] <asie> HOWEVER, they do not block pipes/inventory access

L368[03:41:33] <asie> for that you will still need a safe

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L370[03:47:49] <Izaya> Okay, so currently my OS has a scheduler, and terminal I/O

L371[03:47:52] <Izaya> what next?

L372[03:49:10] <Izaya> I'm thinking a filesystem might be nice

L373[03:50:15] <OmegaCenti_> Woah there Torvis, slow down!

L374[03:50:16] * OmegaCenti_ kids

L375[03:50:37] <Izaya> :P

L376[03:50:52] <Izaya> actually, first, I'm gonna make a way to actually execute code without modifying the kernel and rebooting

L377[03:50:59] * OmegaCenti_ totally botched the name torvalds

L378[03:55:02] <Kodos> asie, so locked enchanting tables?

L379[03:55:18] <payonel> brewing station?

L380[03:55:26] <Kodos> Beacon, too

L381[03:55:42] <Izaya> Locked screens and relays?

L382[03:55:52] <Izaya> wait I dunno if screens but

L383[03:55:56] <Izaya> realys are an inventory

L384[03:57:16] <asie> Kodos: i think so, yes

L385[03:57:19] <Kodos> Also https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1785

L386[03:57:22] <Kodos> That makes me excited

L387[03:58:35] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/1MCnykL.png

L388[03:58:38] <payonel> :)

L389[04:00:04] <Izaya> Welp, that's that functionality done.

L390[04:00:11] <Izaya> Time to split it off into another module I guess

L391[04:07:57] <Izaya> http://pb.i0i0.me/p/a7iu6kwP

L392[04:09:36] <Lizzy> Morning

L393[04:09:40] <Izaya> Evening

L394[04:12:07] <g> Afternoon

L395[04:12:52] <Izaya> http://pb.i0i0.me/p/su8tsmeR slightly improved version

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L397[04:18:54] <Izaya> ~w computer

L398[04:18:54] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer

L399[04:20:26] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/zuXKPCl.png

L400[04:20:36] <Izaya> 18k used

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L402[04:54:21] <Izaya> https://www.humblebundle.com/books/no-starch-hacking-books?imm_mid=0e2ff2&cmp=em-na-na-na-pr_humble_hacking_bundle

L403[05:02:22] * Saphire pokes Izaya

L404[05:02:29] <Saphire> raw filesystem? ^^

L405[05:02:42] <Izaya> as in

L406[05:02:45] <Izaya> for unmanaged disks?

L407[05:08:37] <Saphire> yup

L408[05:09:40] <Izaya> I don't think I can fit that in 1 or 2 k

L409[05:09:56] <Izaya> like maybe a save-tmpfs-to-tape system but

L410[05:09:57] <Saphire> yeah :c

L411[05:16:21] <Izaya> happily loads the lua shell from EEPROM

L412[05:16:23] <Izaya> which is nice

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L414[05:18:36] <Izaya> ~w filesystem

L415[05:18:37] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem

L416[05:23:45] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/OI3M0iV.png filesystems are overrated

L417[05:28:20] <Izaya> yeah uh a FAT32 lib is almost 40k of code

L418[05:51:38] * Lizzy just switched to Sophos AV from Avast

L419[05:53:26] <Saphire> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ashleyf/2013/09/21/chuck-moores-creations/

L420[05:53:28] <Saphire> huh

L421[05:53:31] <KittyKath> 691bd5d2164516bc924125ebd8aa1756849ec713f475f2f87a5c2b9e10702256 Downloads/silenceonthewire.pdf

L422[05:53:40] <KittyKath> Whoops

L423[05:54:37] <Saphire> lol

L424[05:54:40] <Saphire> gimme ^^

L425[05:55:32] <Izaya> oooh stack machines

L426[05:55:49] <Saphire> it's literally TIS-100 o.O

L427[05:55:54] <Saphire> well, quite close

L428[05:56:31] <Izaya> it's BETTER than the TIS-100

L429[05:56:43] <Izaya> I'd say it's 12 times better, if not 144 times better

L430[05:57:57] <Saphire> It's Forth

L431[05:58:06] <Saphire> and 6-bit bytes

L432[05:58:10] <Izaya> yup

L433[05:58:17] <Izaya> weird but cool

L434[06:02:15] <Saphire> Huh

L435[06:02:17] <Saphire> pdf docs \o/

L436[06:14:20] <Izaya> Can you bind multiple GPUs to a screen?

L437[06:14:40] <Saphire> huh

L438[06:14:59] <Saphire> and this machine/cpu design apparently is 'looping' trough the instructions

L439[06:15:03] <Saphire> i think?

L440[06:15:09] <Izaya> 'cause I just realised that if you can you could divide up the screen and use 'slave' nodes to do rendering

L441[06:29:34] <Izaya> ... you can

L442[06:29:45] <Izaya> multiple machines can access the same hardware at once

L443[06:30:57] <Izaya> ... cool

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L445[06:31:01] <Izaya> I guess it figures but still

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L447[06:39:34] <S3> I have to resolder my laptop charger

L448[06:39:43] <S3> it is starting to throw sparks everywhere again

L449[06:39:50] <Stary2001> o_O

L450[06:40:01] <Izaya> that does not sound safe

L451[06:40:12] <S3> It depends what you consider safe

L452[06:40:15] <S3> it's the DC side

L453[06:40:21] <S3> so it's not a huge deal but

L454[06:40:34] <S3> if it was theAC side I'd worry more

L455[06:42:56] <S3> so Izaya do you know what a photoelectric isoletor, or in other words- an optocoupler is?

L456[06:43:27] <Izaya> IIRC basically a transistor that uses light as the switch pin?

L457[06:43:35] <S3> yeah

L458[06:43:42] <S3> ball mice have them

L459[06:43:57] <S3> there's little wheels that have holes and the movement of the holes in the spinning wheels is used to move the pointer

L460[06:44:06] <S3> old news

L461[06:44:21] <S3> well I needed a relay yesterday for my push to talk button for my sound card modem on the pi thing

L462[06:44:26] <S3> so I just wired one of those up XD

L463[06:44:42] <S3> the radio is in a pitch black enclosed little box so

L464[06:45:03] <S3> it just transfers infared to the transistor when it wants to enable the radio and it works! :D

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L466[06:45:28] <S3> I just think it's an amazing hack because relays are so hrd to come by out of the basement with the right ratings

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L469[06:48:43] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/pGTpw

L470[06:52:58] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/SpH8t9d.jpg

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L472[06:56:58] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/8Wwfkvl.jpg TIL

L473[06:58:28] <Lizzy> note to self, don't click Inari's links whilst at work

L474[06:58:32] <Lizzy> or college

L475[06:58:34] <Lizzy> whatever

L476[06:58:48] <Inari> lol

L477[06:59:02] <Inari> i thought you knew that much by now

L478[07:10:38] <g> But what about dugtrio?

L479[07:10:38] <g> :v

L480[07:16:01] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/CjBoTY7.jpg daisy best girl

L481[07:22:46] <g> http://i.imgur.com/MrRulLr.webm

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L483[07:39:11] <Inari> oppai wa oppai

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L486[07:48:32] <LuMistry> Greetings

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L490[07:58:55] <Kodos> https://imgur.com/gallery/3m489HJ

L491[08:03:07] <Mimiru> lol

L492[08:03:53] <Kodos> And of course, Lua's in the corner just going http://i.imgur.com/10LGtik.gifv

L493[08:06:23] <Lizzy> oh wow

L494[08:06:35] <Lizzy> managed to get 87% on this ccna chapter exam about nat

L495[08:06:41] <Lizzy> i didn't think i'd get much

L496[08:07:50] * Lizzy is genuinely suprised

L497[08:13:54] <Lizzy> No Lizzy, we don't need yet another fucking Pi that you'll most likely not do anything with

L498[08:14:23] * Lizzy argues with herself

L499[08:18:20] <Temia> I still want a Pi Zero .3.

L500[08:18:29] <Temia> Because I could make use of that!

L501[08:19:02] <Lizzy> I have a Pi1 B and two Pi2's which hardly get used

L502[08:20:07] <Temia> Similar case, a 1B, a rev.2 and a 2B

L503[08:20:39] <Lizzy> the Pi3 is the same form as the Pi2 isn't it? just with a beefier processor and wireless stuffs

L504[08:20:57] <Temia> I think. I'd have to check whether the antenna is broken out or not.

L505[08:21:30] <Temia> Hm, doesn't look like it.

L506[08:21:42] <Lizzy> k

L507[08:21:50] <Lizzy> Hmm

L508[08:21:54] <Temia> I kind of admit I'm curious about the Pi3 as well, but the Zero fits my design needs more

L509[08:22:35] <Lizzy> Normal girls spend money on clothes, make up and other stuff. I spend it on technology

L510[08:22:55] <Temia> Mature software, lightweight hardware, 100% compatible with my existing 1Bs. Perfect for an embedded device.

L511[08:22:57] <Mimiru> Lizzy, I'm right there with you :p

L512[08:23:15] <Temia> geek girls represent. o/

L513[08:23:20] <gamax92> D:<

L514[08:23:20] <Lizzy> \o/

L515[08:23:31] <gamax92> it's been 7 hours, this encode has not finished

L516[08:23:39] <Izaya> video?

L517[08:24:15] <Lizzy> halp, am aimlessly browsing modmypi.com

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L519[08:27:11] <Izaya> I have a book on Delphi. Fucking Delphi.

L520[08:28:13] <Lizzy> ?

L521[08:30:43] <Izaya> It's like a book about latin written in latin

L522[08:30:48] <Izaya> Dead language.

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L525[08:45:13] * vifino groans and zombie-walks towards Lizzy

L526[08:47:44] <vifino> fuck me its so fucking cold in my room again

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L528[08:51:23] * Lizzy pets vifino

L529[08:51:38] * vifino purrs

L530[08:52:03] * LuMistry waves hand in the air

L531[08:52:10] * Lizzy is heading home

L532[08:52:35] <Lizzy> Oww, fucking splinter in my shoe

L533[08:52:51] <vifino> :<

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L540[09:21:09] * Kimiro fetches the tourniquet and the bonesaw

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L542[09:23:40] * vifino is hungry

L543[09:23:50] * vifino is gonna go make pizza

L544[09:23:56] <Lizzy> :O

L545[09:24:11] * Lizzy jumps on vifinos back

L546[09:24:34] <vifino> I take that as a "Yes, I wanna help AND share with you" :P

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L548[09:27:07] <Lizzy> Na

L549[09:27:30] <Lizzy> That's just a "I wanna share"

L550[09:27:35] <Izaya> Salty.

L551[09:27:44] * Izaya knows where the door is

L552[09:28:13] * Lizzy moves the door

L553[09:29:05] * Lizzy feels like playing CoD 5 zombies

L554[09:34:00] <gamax92> Attempt to compare number with nil

L555[09:34:04] <gamax92> well fuck you too :D

L556[09:34:27] <Izaya> in some cases nil = 0

L557[09:34:32] <Izaya> not in lua but

L558[09:34:39] <gamax92> so in no cases?

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L562[10:03:08] <vifino> Lizzy: You will help or you won't get pizza!

L563[10:03:18] <vifino> On other news, pizza is in the oven.

L564[10:03:29] * Lizzy plans to steal some pizza then

L565[10:03:29] <Izaya> Going to bed or something

L566[10:03:32] <Izaya> o/

L567[10:03:35] <vifino> See ya, Izaya. o/

L568[10:05:09] <gamax92> greedy match

L569[10:05:22] <gamax92> oh nvm ... this is penality match

L570[10:05:25] <Lizzy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soxxPyaAT1k

L571[10:05:25] <MichiBot> Homemade Hoverbike | length: 3m 51s | Likes: 693 Dislikes: 2 Views: 4816 | by colinfurze

L572[10:05:34] <gamax92> greedy match will be at the end of today

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L574[10:07:52] <gamax92> will penality match finish in the next 23 minutes? find out in 23 minute!

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L577[10:16:52] <gamax92> probably.

L578[10:16:56] <gamax92> 25.1 of 25.2

L579[10:20:17] <gamax92> okay it finished

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L581[10:22:11] <vifino> YAY, TIME TO GET PIZZA OUT OF THE OVEN :D

L582[10:22:45] <gamax92> dammit. I must have done something that makes the results much worse.

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L586[10:27:05] <gamax92> the only thing I can think of is the color matcher ...

L587[10:27:41] <gamax92> ... ._.

L588[10:27:56] <gamax92> maybe because I'm using the entire image instead of only the modified section.

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L590[10:38:29] <Lizzy> dammit CoD WaW doesn't want to install from my disk :(

L591[10:39:27] <Lizzy> welp, just gonna have to obtain it through other means

L592[10:39:31] * MajGenRelativity hands Lizzy a new disk

L593[10:39:40] <Lizzy> if only

L594[10:58:45] <g> Has anyone here worked with opus?

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L596[11:13:21] <S3> The codec? or the positioning system

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L602[11:28:25] <Vexatos> Hello

L603[11:33:14] <S3> Vexatos: WE HAS TCP/IP on our balloon now

L604[11:33:17] <S3> oh caps

L605[11:33:31] <Vexatos> what?

L606[11:33:32] <S3> It's kind of annoying

L607[11:33:44] <S3> Yeah. you got the radios hooked up

L608[11:34:07] <S3> and then you're like, hey is anyone using this frequency? no? okay *turns on computer modem* BLARRRGHJHSGSGHSGSJHSGHSGSGHSGSGHGS

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L611[11:51:25] <Inari> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/infinin.mp4 stage 1 of new solution attempt works \o/

L612[11:51:39] <CompanionCube> Another day, another 'Desktop' app that is actually a web shell

L613[11:51:50] <CompanionCube> I wish these had anything resembling a native UI style.

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L615[12:05:17] <Sangar> o/

L616[12:05:47] <Skye> hi

L617[12:08:41] <Inari> CompanionCube: which?

L618[12:08:53] <payonel> Sangar: the methods in /lib/devfs.lua are called via __index (to delay loading in the lib), except for one method https://git.io/vw6YD

L619[12:08:55] <CompanionCube> Inari, Ghost Desktop

L620[12:09:12] <payonel> Sangar: so i agree we should return false, but we put it in the wrong place

L621[12:09:24] <CompanionCube> as for a native UI style, anything with decent theming power could work as long as you have consistency

L622[12:09:27] <payonel> ls / hits isReadOnly, so it was worth being loaded at boot

L623[12:09:43] <payonel> i'm at work, so i can PR something "tonight"

L624[12:09:47] <Sangar> payonel, oh, ok

L625[12:09:50] <Sangar> no hurry

L626[12:09:53] <payonel> it'll be, return false there, and remove it from /lib/devfs

L627[12:10:06] <Sangar> ok

L628[12:11:02] <payonel> as for the RFC (and i'll put something in the actual rfc ticket) i'm not a hardware guy like many here

L629[12:11:26] <payonel> but i think we should be inspired by things like lspci, dmidecode, and maybe SOME /proc points like /proc/cpuinfo

L630[12:11:57] <Gavle> I have a question

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L632[12:12:20] <g> We may have an answer

L633[12:12:35] <Gavle> if I make a "library" and put it in the /lib folder, can I do local library = require("library") and use it like any other library?

L634[12:12:44] <g> Yep

L635[12:12:45] <g> think so

L636[12:12:47] <payonel> Gavle: aye

L637[12:12:54] <Gavle> cool

L638[12:12:55] <payonel> Gavle: there is a thing called the package path

L639[12:13:05] <Gavle> wot

L640[12:13:08] <payonel> when you call require() it looks for [lib_name].lua in that path

L641[12:13:23] <payonel> and /lib is in that path

L642[12:13:36] <payonel> so anything you put there is found via require(lib_name)

L643[12:13:54] <Gavle> ah

L644[12:15:00] <payonel> Gavle: here is more info (if you want a deep dive): https://www.lua.org/pil/8.1.html

L645[12:15:21] <payonel> and the default path for OpenOS is "/lib/?.lua;/usr/lib/?.lua;/home/lib/?.lua;./?.lua;/lib/?/init.lua;/usr/lib/?/init.lua;/home/lib/?/init.lua;./?/init.lua"

L646[12:16:35] <Gavle> ah

L647[12:23:28] <S3> whee

L648[12:23:35] <S3> I bought a 6502 that is rated for 14Mhz

L649[12:25:46] <Inari> https://40.media.tumblr.com/3215484c39bff7eff3d1eb110169255d/tumblr_nd1g8gYRYZ1tp11ygo1_540.jpg school in a nutshell

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L656[12:50:07] <Sangar> payonel, i'm not one myself, so i have no idea, hence me pinging the two people i know working on lowlevel archs :P

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L659[13:10:04] <Inari> hm

L660[13:10:10] <Inari> wonder how hard it is to make opencv count coins

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L665[13:47:26] <payonel> i also think default manufacturer should be mod name :)

L666[13:47:32] <payonel> makes sense to me

L667[13:47:35] <payonel> :/

L668[13:47:43] <payonel> also, it's a nice credit to the support

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L671[14:13:57] <g> https://i.imgur.com/mA3Dukv.gifv

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L675[14:24:28] <gamax92> ahh, this looks much better :3

L676[14:24:35] <gamax92> Doing a greedy match run.

L677[14:24:58] <gamax92> ooh I could put an ETA in the title bar.

L678[14:26:35] <gamax92> ... ish.

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L684[14:49:03] <gamax92> payonel: works 100% of the time 32% of the time

L685[14:50:53] <yoy> Oh yeah, specifications for that on low level arches

L686[14:50:57] <yoy> I'll think of something

L687[14:55:41] <Michiyo> Oh man... just found a box of older stuff in the corner...

L688[14:55:54] <Michiyo> AMD 64 Athlon 3000+

L689[14:56:35] <Michiyo> CPU is here, but the heatsink is missing

L690[14:56:58] <Michiyo> Also found a single core Sempron AM3 and supporting board

L691[15:07:01] <payonel> gamax92: what's that?

L692[15:07:12] <gamax92> payonel: I dunno

L693[15:07:23] <gamax92> all I know is that I'm running some more encoder tests

L694[15:07:24] <payonel> haha, i maen. what works 100% of the time 32% of the time?

L695[15:07:28] <payonel> oh, that

L696[15:07:30] <gamax92> payonel: I dunno

L697[15:07:43] <gamax92> trying to see what tweaks work and what doesn't

L698[15:08:38] <gamax92> some of them I don't see a problem with adding them, but just doing tests to track progress

L699[15:09:38] <payonel> i like my new job more than the last. but i just realized the medical plan is crap

L700[15:09:46] <payonel> i pay more in premiums, and i pay more for visits

L701[15:09:50] <payonel> just, amazing

L702[15:10:02] <gamax92> payonel: before it'd only expand a rectangle if the score improves, which is bad because the score not changing shouldn't hinder it from expanding, only if it goes down

L703[15:10:58] <gamax92> and so now I made it a bit more greedy, now it will expand out if the score doesn't go down, and then also trim itself

L704[15:12:53] <gamax92> I'm running two encodes which are hammering both cores though, and they'll still take like 2 hours to finish

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L706[15:15:50] <Inari> gamax92: lewdly hammering the cores

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L709[15:17:57] <gamax92> that was odd o.o;

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L712[15:18:27] <gamax92> the log kept saying it was drawing a rectangle, but where the rectangle was on the preview screen nothing was changing

L713[15:18:40]

<Snapples> Huh, still no 1.9 build

L714[15:20:59] <Michiyo> Is there a recommended forge for 1.9..?

L715[15:21:27]

<Snapples> Let me take a look

L716[15:21:53] <Kodos|Zzz> Hint:There's not

L717[15:22:02]

<Snapples> Jup, I can confirm that.

L718[15:22:07] <Kodos|Zzz> Forge has been breaking shit too often anyway

L719[15:22:07] <Inari> i wonder when we'll switch from pws to certificates

L720[15:22:29]

<Snapples> But wouldn't it still make sense to have builds?

L721[15:22:39] <Michiyo> No

L722[15:22:40] <Michiyo> :D

L723[15:23:17]

<Snapples> I see.

L724[15:23:18] <Lizzy> til forge becomes less volatile for 1.9, OC builds would be useless

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L726[15:25:38] <asie> Kodos|Zzz: Yes.

L727[15:25:43] <asie> cpw told people not to move to 1.9 before a 1.9.x is out.

L728[15:25:46] <asie> People moved.

L729[15:25:49] <asie> cpw shrugged.

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L731[15:28:35] <Inari> asie: so people will move again

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L733[15:29:04] <asie> Inari: Yeah.

L734[15:29:28] <Kodos|Zzz> Hopefully 1.9.2 fixes the AI Memory Leak and the huuuge issues with chunk rendering going ape shit

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<Snapples> Dunno, my logic tells me that once you have a 1.9 build, updating to 1.9.whatever is easier that not having a build and directly moving to 1.9.w/e

L737[15:32:25] <gamax92> no

L738[15:32:27]

<Snapples> But I'm no dev ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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L740[15:33:01] <gamax92> so you're writing for 1.9, and you come across a bug, is it your fault or forge's fault?

L741[15:33:20] <Lizzy> but where would you get the extra time and effort you'd need to support a system/version that isn't even officially official yet?

L742[15:33:33] <gamax92> so you're writing for 1.9, and you got a very nicely developed state, next forge versions rolls out and kills your code and you have to go fix it up again, and again

L743[15:33:47] <gamax92> or ... just wait until it sorts itself out and then write once

L744[15:33:59] <Michiyo> So very much that ^^

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L746[15:54:46] <Michiyo> Should I come to work tomorrow...

L747[15:54:52] <Michiyo> it's a very hard question to answer..

L748[15:55:03] <Michiyo> I missed yesterday, so making up the hours WOULD be nice...

L749[15:55:07] <Michiyo> but... fuck this place

L750[15:55:37] <Kodos|Zzz> No, you should work on that one new feature that I forgot the name of

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L752[15:57:20] <Michiyo> lol

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L758[16:23:03] <payonel> http://i.imgur.com/C0bLohU.gif

L759[16:23:12] <payonel> ^ good crap

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L761[16:25:18] <gamax92> XD

L762[16:32:21] <payonel> it's weird not having a big openos project to do

L763[16:32:29] <payonel> i just have documentation and comments to work on now

L764[16:32:50] <payonel> i could work on the rc script system

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L766[16:33:05] <payonel> but now that 1.6 is out, i'm not supposed to break things anymore :(

L767[16:33:18] <gamax92> 1.6 is out?

L768[16:33:23] <payonel> well...no

L769[16:33:27] <payonel> but the beta builds are

L770[16:33:30] <payonel> and ppl are consuming them

L771[16:33:37] <payonel> MAYBE Sangar would let me redo rc

L772[16:33:51] <gamax92> well you can still work on OpenOS

L773[16:33:55] <gamax92> just don't break things anymore.

L774[16:34:42] <payonel> maybe i'll go back to my oppm stuff

L775[16:35:01] <payonel> i was building a remote shell, and ran into all kinds of issues with process data and io

L776[16:35:09] <payonel> that's what got me into openos in the first place

L777[16:35:19] <payonel> now i could see if my work was even enough

L778[16:36:43] * vifino picks up Lizzy and carries her to bed

L779[16:39:59] <Izaya> Huh, iPhone sales didn't grow this quarter

L780[16:40:30] <Izaya> so I guess they haven't released anything the customers didn't obviously have

L781[16:42:47] <gamax92> payonel: you should write a video encoder :3

L782[16:43:00] <CompanionCube> Izaya, ohai

L783[16:43:17] <Izaya> payonel: want a bigger project once you're done?

L784[16:43:30] <Izaya> My OS is going to need a sane userspace :p

L785[16:43:37] <payonel> gamax92: did you know i work in video encoding/packaging now?

L786[16:43:43] <gamax92> yeah

L787[16:43:46] <Izaya> Hai CompanionCube

L788[16:44:02] <CompanionCube> what OS are you writing this time

L789[16:44:51] <Izaya> Same one that I've been screenshotting and posting tars and compiled kernels of

L790[16:44:55] <payonel> Izaya: you were really excited last night about how tiny your footprint is

L791[16:45:13] <CompanionCube> ah. The one with the really simple coroutine scheduler?

L792[16:45:15] <payonel> that ideology conflicts with "sane userspace" :)

L793[16:45:33] <payonel> well, to some degree it does

L794[16:45:39] <Izaya> It's designed to be small enough to be used on a drone but practical as a bigger machine too

L795[16:45:48] <payonel> Izaya: for example, are you willing to NOT support widechars?

L796[16:46:29] <Izaya> Well I mean I might as well make the terminal emu as fancy as possible

L797[16:46:44] <Izaya> uCs can't drive screens

L798[16:47:08] <Izaya> anything else supports nonvolatile storage

L799[16:47:08] <payonel> that's where the vast majority of my effort in OpenOS has been tho, the terminal experience

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L801[16:47:47] <gamax92> payonel: >_>

L802[16:47:53] <payonel> <_<

L803[16:48:05] <gamax92> y u do dis.

L804[16:48:11] <payonel> wud i do?

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L806[16:48:57] * KittyKath blames payonel

L807[16:49:04] <Izaya> Well anyway, once I have a more presentable product, want me to poke you then instead?

L808[16:49:29] <payonel> Izaya: sure yeah, but make specific requests.

L809[16:49:45] <payonel> openos is somewhat an adopted child of mine now

L810[16:49:59] <Izaya> :p okey

L811[16:50:01] <payonel> so i give that a sense of priority, and basically the "anything it needs" todo list

L812[16:50:25] <payonel> i wouldn't be as active on two projects at that level

L813[16:50:44] <Izaya> I guess I should implement a filesystem next

L814[16:51:25] <payonel> what does OpenOS do that you DON'T want btw?

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L816[16:51:38] <payonel> what makes openos NOT a candidate for what you're trying to solve

L817[16:51:40] <CompanionCube> dafuq.

L818[16:51:47] <Izaya> Takes up lots of disk space basically

L819[16:51:53] <CompanionCube> GTK just re-rendered itself. Visibly.

L820[16:52:06] <payonel> ah, yeah

L821[16:52:07] <CompanionCube> to ~/xsession.log

L822[16:52:15] <payonel> well, you could remove man and the man pages, and minify the rest :)

L823[16:52:37] <Izaya> Can't use OpenOS on a drone or a uC with no real storage

L824[16:52:58] <payonel> on drones and uC, eeprom is all you have?

L825[16:53:13] <Izaya> well you have the tmpfs too

L826[16:53:23] * CompanionCube would like at some point to create either an OC OS that was object-oriented as much as is possible, or one in an alternative language that just happens to compile / be interpreted by Lua

L827[16:53:33] <Izaya> but that gets wiped on real shutdown

L828[16:53:42] <vifino> CompanionCube: l2l

L829[16:53:46] <vifino> lisp2lua

L830[16:53:48] <vifino> do it

L831[16:54:07] <CompanionCube> vifino, inb4 OCGenera

L832[16:54:18] <payonel> i want a lua cpu that gives me real memory control :)

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L834[16:54:37] <vifino> malloc(sizeof(payonel));

L835[16:54:43] <payonel> ha

L836[16:55:02] <CompanionCube> free(vifino);

L837[16:55:15] <Izaya> Also, payonel, I can't rebuild the OpenOS kernel with build flags to optomise

L838[16:55:30] <vifino> CompanionCube: Get out.

L839[16:56:06] * Izaya wrote a whole build system

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L841[16:56:22] <CompanionCube> person* vifino = minds->vifino;

L842[16:56:23] <payonel> Izaya: can't rebuild the kernel? it's not a compiled kernel. can you explain?

L843[16:56:27] <CompanionCube> did I fix it

L844[16:56:32] <vifino> nope.

L845[16:56:52] <Izaya> payonel: in my OS, I have t he kernel divided into modules

L846[16:57:40] <Izaya> base stuff, like the scheduler, drivers, like for the GPU and keyboard, applications for embedded use like the test lua shell

L847[16:57:46] <vifino> Reminds me to write a VFS thingie in Lua where I can plug in the native reading funcs and whatnot in.

L848[16:58:10] <Izaya> then I run a script and it assembles the modules based on a config file

L849[16:58:19] <Izaya> and somewhat minifies

L850[16:58:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya, so basically you created a pluggable kernel

L851[16:58:52] <Izaya> and I intend to have it be able to create the EEPROM configs

L852[16:59:24] <Izaya> CompanionCube: It's compile-time plugging if that is the case

L853[16:59:27] <payonel> Izaya: per build, not per boot - i see

L854[16:59:34] <Izaya> nothing fancy like DKMS

L855[16:59:36] <payonel> so you prepare a kernel, deploy it to a drone/uC

L856[16:59:43] <Izaya> yup

L857[17:00:00] <payonel> it is this "prepare" step that you like having control over

L858[17:00:14] <Izaya> I guess?

L859[17:00:52] <Izaya> tbh I'm a bit of a control freak that likes to have a full understanding of the system, and this system fits my needs so

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L861[17:03:34] * payonel afk for a while

L862[17:03:37] <CompanionCube> you know what'd be an interesting project: Abusing serialization to create a 'truly' persistent operating system

L863[17:04:25] <Izaya> Can't persist functions...

L864[17:04:38] <CompanionCube> Izaya, one can stash the source code somewhere

L865[17:04:39] <Izaya> but you can persist strings :p

L866[17:04:47] <CompanionCube> persist *that* and reconstitute on boot

L867[17:05:45] <CompanionCube> the only problem would be the potential / likelihood of unbounded increase in terms of required storage

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L870[17:24:40] <yoy> CompanionCube: Possible, just emulate the Lua VM in Lua

L871[17:24:58] <yoy> Speed will diminish, but hey... hibernation!

L872[17:25:03] <CompanionCube> honestly, if I went the VM route

L873[17:25:07] <CompanionCube> I'd go Smalltalk or something

L874[17:25:37] <CompanionCube> persistence is baked into the system architecture of multiple Smalltalk impls

L875[17:27:57] <CompanionCube> with that language, the VM requires* a hibernated system stage image or it won't do shit.

L876[17:28:35] <CompanionCube> (some implementations choose a different model though)

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L881[17:43:25] <gamax92> payonel: oops. was accidentally overwriting the primary block color with the one from the secondary block

L882[17:45:42] <yoy> #lua local function mapInner(func,_,...) return func((...)), mapInner(func,...) end function map(func, ...) return mapInner(func, nil, ...) end

L883[17:45:42] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L884[17:45:52] <yoy> #lua map(print, "Hello", "world!")

L885[17:45:52] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Output: http://pb.i0i0.me/p/V7NmeSXp

L886[17:46:05] <yoy> canyouno

L887[17:46:09] <yoy> #resetlua

L888[17:46:09] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Sandbox Reset!

L889[17:46:11] <yoy> #lua local function mapInner(func,_,...) return func((...)), mapInner(func,...) end function map(func, ...) return mapInner(func, nil, ...) end

L890[17:46:11] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L891[17:46:13] <yoy> #lua map(print, "Hello", "world!")

L892[17:46:13] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Output: http://pb.i0i0.me/p/TnM47nNr

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L894[17:46:30] <yoy> kek, that is recursive AF

L895[17:46:58] <yoy> #lua local function mapInner(func,_,...) if not _ and not (...) then return end return func((...)), mapInner(func,...) end function map(func, ...) return mapInner(func, nil, ...) end

L896[17:46:58] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L897[17:47:00] <yoy> #lua map(print, "Hello", "world!")

L898[17:47:00] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Hello | world! | nil | nil | nil | nil

L899[17:53:14] <yoy> #lua filter(function(x) return x%2 == 0 end, map(function(x) return x+2 end, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8))

L900[17:53:14] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 4 | 6 | 8 | 10

L901[17:54:08] <yoy> gamax92: I made functional programming in Lua using varargs and only varargs ( ͡^ ͜ʖ ͡^)

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L904[18:04:37] <lunar_mom> Heyas

L905[18:06:17] <lunar_mom> Is it possible to connect a computer to a remote server's internet card, and use it to connect for Oppm installs and such?

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L907[18:22:24] <CompanionCube> OC internet cards are outbound only

L908[18:22:28] <CompanionCube> no servers

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L918[18:41:18] <S3> Skye:

L919[18:41:19] <S3> http://hastebin.com/xamapojeti.txt

L920[18:41:23] <S3> it's not a full write up

L921[18:41:32] <S3> but has some useful information to prove just how simple it is

L922[18:44:07] <S3> OCRM-1 will be insane, because it will be interlaced but also the packets will be fragmented based on time :0

L923[18:44:34] <S3> so basically, itl send a packet every 8 KB of full buffer or the next clock cycle, whichever comes first, giving a continuous stream of datagrams

L924[18:45:33] <S3> It's basically intended for shoving bandwidth down the other switches' throat lol

L925[18:45:46] <S3> (but it only sends data when it has data)

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L927[18:48:20] <CompanionCube> S3, we need a good OC RFC-type site

L928[18:48:37] <S3> i just made RFOCC up lol

L929[18:49:00] <S3> What do you think of the one I just wrote? make sense enough?

L930[18:49:09] <CompanionCube> one moment

L931[18:50:21] <S3> The lowest layer should have as little overhead as possible while still being able to serve enough traffic for the network. 8 bytes for VCI may not be enough for a trunking switch

L932[18:50:32] <CompanionCube> looks nice

L933[18:50:44] <S3> so I decided 16 bits. this means my Xen powered switch can serve up to 16 million connections at the ame time

L934[18:50:58] <S3> or up to 65 thousand ~ per port

L935[18:50:58] <S3> :)

L936[18:51:14] <S3> but for a simple user switch you don't need much

L937[18:52:16] <CompanionCube> S3, perhaps a decent OC RFC site could use https://github.com/gollum/gollum?

L938[18:53:20] <S3> Sounds nice

L939[18:53:35] <CompanionCube> stick the data in a public git org somewhere

L940[18:54:17] <S3> right

L941[18:56:30] <CompanionCube> alternatively we could have a more general 'OC Networking' wiki

L942[18:56:39] <S3> Meh

L943[18:56:50] <S3> This should cover more than networking

L944[18:57:19] <CompanionCube> hm, 'OC Software Documentation'?

L945[19:02:29] <S3> The one problem I have is that it is written in rubu

L946[19:02:32] <S3> Ruby

L947[19:02:41] <S3> but meh, does it just run on github or something?

L948[19:03:01] <CompanionCube> pretty much any wiki should do it, git support is just sweet

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L950[19:04:16] <CompanionCube> is python more likable?

L951[19:05:42] <CompanionCube> if you don't mind haskell: https://github.com/jgm/gitit

L952[19:06:04] <S3> hate Python. I don't have --too much against Ruby. It doesn't matter though. I'd kind of want to do this: Have some sort of system where you can git checkout a repository of RFCs. the number in the RFC will have protocol (for example anything starting with a 1 could be networking)

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L954[19:06:19] <S3> and then somehow have it set up so you just edit / throw ascii files in there

L955[19:06:25] <S3> and somehow can just push it back up

L956[19:06:30] <S3> with public access

L957[19:07:03] <S3> organize it so that it is easily manageable to present on git for fast lookups

L958[19:07:39] <CompanionCube> S3, so basically, a static-site generator

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L961[19:13:55] <CompanionCube> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/898-subforum-for-architecture-development/

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L963[19:19:58] <Saphire> hi

L964[19:22:16] <greaser|q> thanks for that, i may have a reply later on today

L965[19:24:07] <greaser|q> i am all for it though

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L968[19:26:28] <S3> heheh

L969[19:26:36] <S3> he says he wants to make a 65c816

L970[19:26:49] <S3> but the problem is c just means its' CMOS

L971[19:27:01] <S3> so he's gonna emulate pull up / pull down networks?

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L975[19:27:48] <S3> CompanionCube: so we have two options

L976[19:28:06] <S3> static site generated hosted by git RFC server, OR the same thing on a subforum

L977[19:28:29] <S3> I was thinking also btw man page like setups

L978[19:28:34] <S3> each entry will be a "chapter"

L979[19:28:37] <S3> and there would be sections

L980[19:28:56] <S3> so that you could organize it with a program some day sure I dunno

L981[19:29:19] <S3> but in reality for example section 1 could be networking, or it could be OpenOS related, etc

L982[19:29:42] <S3> and the nall the chapters are just manual entries on ideas protocols rfcs specs, etc

L983[19:29:53] <S3> it would work on a subforum too

L984[19:30:15] <S3> CompanionCube: as a subforum, it would allow people to comment on the RFC

L985[19:30:16] <S3> lol

L986[19:30:22] <S3> greaser|q: ^

L987[19:32:28] <S3> The subforum could be called "Architectures and specifications"

L988[19:32:45] <S3> maybe without the s

L989[19:32:49] <S3> sounds better imo

L990[19:32:54] <S3> "Architecture and Specifications"

L991[19:33:14] <greaser|q> ah righty

L992[19:33:30] <S3> It was just mu suggestion heh.

L993[19:33:40] <S3> my*

L994[19:33:52] <S3> CompanionCube: good? ideas? hatemail?

L995[19:34:13] <S3> It would give me a reason to actually use the forum because the theme makes me want to blargh

L996[19:34:32] <greaser|q> "the ARM ecosystem is fragmented enough with subtly-incompatible everything already" this is tempting me to make an ARM arch too

L997[19:34:36] <greaser|q> but probably not wise

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L1000[19:34:48] <greaser|q> mostly just killing time while chromium builds

L1001[19:34:54] <S3> No, ARM is way too complicated

L1002[19:34:59] <S3> and thumb is awful

L1003[19:35:07] <greaser|q> not as complicated as x86

L1004[19:35:09] <greaser|q> or even Z80

L1005[19:35:17] <greaser|q> and i have done ARM in C before

L1006[19:35:18] <S3> Z80 doesn't have SIMD

L1007[19:35:22] <S3> afaik

L1008[19:35:46] <S3> and weird instructions like, Add with Cary and branch with link if non zero (WTF?)

L1009[19:35:58] <greaser|q> ARMv4T isn't too hard

L1010[19:36:07] <S3> I see

L1011[19:36:18] <greaser|q> basically, ARM7TDMI is all you really need

L1012[19:36:26] <S3> because some of this Cortex stuff I use is pretty frigging complex

L1013[19:36:36] <S3> I wouldn't want to design the arch XD

L1014[19:36:56] <greaser|q> we'll probably need a convention for bootloaders, namely don't be like me and call your init file "init.elf"

L1015[19:37:07] <greaser|q> and also "use statically linked ELF"

L1016[19:37:22] <S3> greaser|q: ..Have you ever seen my partition table for OC, SOPT?

L1017[19:37:27] <greaser|q> wait... better idea, could do something like el-torito

L1018[19:37:30] <S3> it's so easy to implement

L1019[19:37:36] <greaser|q> S3: i haven't, give me a link somehow

L1020[19:37:39] <S3> and supports a lua block for booting lua code

L1021[19:37:51] <S3> If I find it, it's.. somewhere heh.. and not on this laptop

L1022[19:38:43] <payonel> "Plus, their module has a way cooler name than mine" what were the two names?

L1023[19:38:55] <greaser|q> OC-ARM (theirs) and OCSymon (ds's) i think

L1024[19:39:16] <greaser|q> mine is just OCMIPS

L1025[19:39:21] <greaser|q> and is not ARM

L1026[19:39:32] <greaser|q> could rename to MIA: MIPS Isn't ARM

L1027[19:39:39] <payonel> ha

L1028[19:39:51] <greaser|q> i think we will need a standard OS at some point though

L1029[19:40:00] <Temia> No no, recursive acronyms are in vogue

L1030[19:40:00] <greaser|q> i do not recommend linux as that requires a lot of RAM

L1031[19:40:02] <Temia> MIA isn't ARM

L1032[19:40:27] <S3> greaser|q: it basically works ike this: every partition table entry is 32 bytes exactly. 16 entries per sector, starting from end of disk. slice sizes are 24 bit, for large RAID collections in MC when using accross multiple disks.

L1033[19:40:41] <S3> and the last 8 bytes is the magic word signifying it is SOPT, which is EGGHUNT\0

L1034[19:40:59] <greaser|q> ah righty

L1035[19:41:06] <greaser|q> what's SOPT short for?

L1036[19:41:15] <S3> Simple Open computers Partition Table

L1037[19:41:16] <S3> iirc

L1038[19:41:19] <greaser|q> ah righty

L1039[19:41:34] <greaser|q> i wonder if there's a simpler FS than FAT16

L1040[19:41:39] <S3> I think there's a flag field that lets you enable a bit to make the 16 bit partition type GPT compatible.

L1041[19:41:52] <S3> so you can use the normal FAT part types like you would IRL

L1042[19:42:04] <S3> and I build an EEPROM partitioner

L1043[19:42:06] <greaser|q> FAT16 would be a good FS to use in my view

L1044[19:42:28] <S3> Believe it or not, I made a FAT12 disk

L1045[19:42:29] <greaser|q> i take it every system will need a basic BIOS to identify that it does indeed have the right EEPROM?

L1046[19:42:34] <greaser|q> i can believe it

L1047[19:42:37] <S3> lol

L1048[19:42:42] <S3> because FAT12 is so dead simple

L1049[19:42:50] <gamax92> FAT is simple?

L1050[19:42:50] <greaser|q> FAT16 is slightly simpler

L1051[19:42:57] <S3> fat is simple in general but

L1052[19:43:01] <gamax92> I'd argue that FAT16 is simpler than FAT12 yeah

L1053[19:43:07] <S3> I figured, why do you need FAT16 for floppies

L1054[19:43:09] <greaser|q> it's simpler than ext afaik

L1055[19:43:10] <S3> lol

L1056[19:43:18] <greaser|q> beacuase it's easier

L1057[19:43:35] <S3> Here was my idea and maybe greaser|q would agree maybe not

L1058[19:43:41] <S3> I was looking into making a UEFI like thing

L1059[19:43:49] <S3> where the eeprom just looks for a partition of bootable stuff

L1060[19:43:56] <S3> could use FAT16 for that

L1061[19:44:04] <greaser|q> if we can convince s-to-the-angar to make floppies 360KB by default, FAT12 would actually make a lot of sense

L1062[19:44:23] <greaser|q> as 360KB is a real floppy disk size

L1063[19:44:28] <S3> If FAT16 is easier than might as well use FAT16

L1064[19:44:42] <S3> they are 500K about aren't they?

L1065[19:44:44] <payonel> so what OS?

L1066[19:44:56] <greaser|q> in my opinion they should either be 360KB, 720KB, or 1440KB

L1067[19:44:59] <S3> payonel: my OS is OCBSD but I haven't touched it

L1068[19:45:07] <S3> I always liked 720

L1069[19:45:15] <S3> because most but not all of y disks were 720

L1070[19:45:15] <greaser|q> 720KB means double-sided

L1071[19:45:22] <greaser|q> all of mine were 1440KB

L1072[19:45:33] <S3> I didn't get any 1.4 until I got 3.5s

L1073[19:45:37] <payonel> S3: i was referring to the recommendation that there be a common OS

L1074[19:45:50] <payonel> is that the OS you recommend?

L1075[19:45:52] <S3> payonel: what do you mean?

L1076[19:45:58] <greaser|q> i never used any 5.25s

L1077[19:46:02] <S3> OpenOs is the common OS lol

L1078[19:46:15] <payonel> :)

L1079[19:46:15] <S3> greaser|q: really?

L1080[19:46:18] <greaser|q> would be amusing allowing raw IBM-format disks

L1081[19:46:22] <S3> almost all of my disks were 5 1/4

L1082[19:46:26] <greaser|q> 90s child here, not 80s child ;)

L1083[19:46:33] <S3> sigh

L1084[19:46:39] <S3> don't make me feel old

L1085[19:46:51] <S3> When I had my first computer I couldn't afford a floppy drive

L1086[19:46:52] <greaser|q> don't worry, there's plenty of people here who would make me feel old

L1087[19:46:56] <S3> you know how I saved all my stuff?

L1088[19:46:58] <greaser|q> tapes

L1089[19:47:01] <greaser|q> or writing them down?

L1090[19:47:52] <S3> yep

L1091[19:47:54] <S3> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519AEVWPHVL.jpg

L1092[19:48:06] <payonel> paste: 00:39:56 greaser|+| i think we will need a standard OS at some point though

L1093[19:48:07] <S3> there's a motor control switch in those

L1094[19:48:13] <S3> you use record to save and play to load

L1095[19:48:17] <payonel> S3: ^ that's what i'm referring to

L1096[19:48:37] <S3> payonel: I would like to get OCBSD working at some point

L1097[19:48:47] <S3> but in reality there will always be a mess of unfinished oses

L1098[19:48:47] <S3> lol

L1099[19:49:23] <greaser|q> what arch is OCBSD for?

L1100[19:51:26] <S3> It was lua,using the raw hard drives, but I have decided I might do it on OCMIPS

L1101[19:51:37] <greaser|q> could possibly do actual BSD for it

L1102[19:52:07] <S3> I was thinking about that

L1103[19:52:23] <S3> one thing I really liked about OCBSD design was that I decided to ditch numerical file descriptors

L1104[19:52:34] <S3> there's still a numerical one but the return value of open was an object instead

L1105[19:52:47] <greaser|q> uh-oh, chrome is now linking

L1106[19:52:48] <S3> which used meta roles to define its' characteristics

L1107[19:52:52] <S3> lol

L1108[19:53:02] <greaser|q> and i'm losing a lot of RAM

L1109[19:53:07] <S3> tell chrome it shouldn't be saving Zelda yet

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L1111[19:53:24] <greaser|q> it linked

L1112[19:53:42] <greaser|q> *phew*, i *did* ignore the footprint

L1113[19:53:46] <S3> the only thing about FreeBSD that could pose a challenge..

L1114[19:54:09] <S3> FreeBSD is incapable (without a huge impact on performance) of handling non memory mapped IO

L1115[19:54:16] <S3> at least it used to be the case

L1116[19:54:22] <S3> now with Xen being built in maybe not

L1117[19:54:25] <greaser|q> $ chromium

L1118[19:54:26] <greaser|q> [0429/005601:ERROR:icu_util.cc(157)] Invalid file descriptor to ICU data received.

L1119[19:54:26] <greaser|q> [0429/005601:FATAL:content_main_runner.cc(677)] Check failed: base::i18n::InitializeICU().

L1120[19:55:34] <S3> Maybe NetBSD woul dbe easier to incorporate on OCMIPS?

L1121[19:55:40] <S3> would*

L1122[19:55:57] <S3> Though FreeBSD is starting to target more arches now

L1123[19:56:09] <S3> https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/mips

L1124[19:56:18] <S3> apparently MIPS32

L1125[19:57:46] <greaser|q> netbsd is a plausible, you can apparently cross-compile it on linux

L1126[19:57:58] <greaser|q> ah shit does it do MIPS-I or will i need to implement MIPS-III?

L1127[19:58:34] <S3> Not sure.. can do MIPS64. I can ask though. NetBSD has more info: http://hastebin.com/xamapojeti.txt

L1128[19:58:37] <S3> oops

L1129[19:58:40] <S3> wrong paste wtf ?

L1130[19:58:53] <S3> https://www.netbsd.org/ports/

L1131[20:01:25] <CompanionCube> what I miss?

L1132[20:02:00] <gamax92> CompanionCube: your mother

L1133[20:02:06] <gamax92> do you miss your mother?

L1134[20:02:14] <payonel> woah

L1135[20:02:18] <payonel> that escalated quickly

L1136[20:02:32] <CompanionCube> why would I she's literally next door

L1137[20:02:42] <CompanionCube> :>

L1138[20:04:54] <CompanionCube> gamax92: did you make an ARM arch?

L1139[20:04:59] <gamax92> no

L1140[20:05:14] <CompanionCube> because the dev of one is returning

L1141[20:05:24] <gamax92> Solarbizna?

L1142[20:05:45] <CompanionCube> yes

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L1144[20:16:00] <S3> CompanionCube: you live next door to your parents? wtf?

L1145[20:16:07] <S3> is your name Raymond and does everybody love you?

L1146[20:16:21] <payonel> live goes full circle

L1147[20:16:29] <payonel> my parents are retiring and we're asking them to move in

L1148[20:19:02] <S3> wat

L1149[20:19:04] <S3> BAD IDEa

L1150[20:19:20] <S3> dude

L1151[20:19:25] <gamax92> bruh

L1152[20:19:26] <S3> your parents are going to drive you nuts

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L1154[20:28:36] <S3> greaser|q: 21:27 < jmcneill> netbsd supports r3k

L1155[20:28:43] <S3> from the freebsd mips channel on efnet

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L1160[21:08:13] <greaser|q> sweeeeet

L1161[21:08:18] <greaser|q> anyhow, shopping trip now

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L1168[22:13:45] <Kodos> I did a thing last night that I saw was missing https://github.com/MyNameIsKodos/OpenComputers-Programs/commit/08b6327d878d4859a21877b63bad0b9fe5588df1

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L1173[23:26:07] <gamax92> more typo's!

L1174[23:26:15] <gamax92> accidentally put a y where there should have been an x

L1175[23:26:29] <gamax92> result? cache gets corrupted every frame >_>

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