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L9[00:41:25] <Izaya> Man, NeXTSTEP programs
are... weird
L10[00:41:34] <Izaya> you can have like 20
windows and they all have one menu
L11[00:42:14] <Aedda> Isn't that the same
for Mac OS?
L12[00:42:49] <Izaya> dunno, the one time I
used OS suX I installed tmux and fullscreened the terminal because
apparently you can't get rid of Quartz or whatever
L13[00:45:10] <Izaya> seems rather
difficult to demonstrate with screenshots
L14[00:45:27] <Izaya> if you click on
another program the menu and info panels disappear
L15[00:49:04] <Aedda> I'm googling
screenshots I think I see what you mean
L16[00:49:56] <Aedda> I seem to recall I
used to use that back in the day when I only had a 486 to run
redhat on
L17[00:50:27] <Aedda> or rather that
look-alike wm
L18[00:52:01] <asie> WindowMaker?
L19[00:53:11] <Aedda> Yeah that was
it
L20[00:54:55] *
Aedda gives asie a cookie
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L22[01:04:31] <Izaya> https://lain.shadowkat.net/~izaya/img/next.png
L23[01:05:20] <Izaya> I wonder if web
browsing would be less painful on this box if I used X11 forwarding
from like, my gateway box or something
L24[01:06:38] <Izaya> ... yes, it's much
smoother
L25[01:16:21] <Temia> Wow, that WM makes
CDE look modern.
L26[01:16:29] <Kodos> http://imgur.com/WmQ4EQK
L27[01:18:56] <Izaya> I couldn't get CDE
running
L28[01:19:05] <Izaya> there's only a
vaguely functional Linux port for x86
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L31[01:41:07] <Izaya> 35FPS in
GLXGears
L32[01:41:22] <Izaya> swrast
L33[01:43:52] <gamax92> Izaya: wat
L34[01:45:40] <Izaya> gamax92: shitbox
mac
L35[01:46:10] 
<FatalDistraction> Precisely. PC
master race.
<FatalDistraction> Precisely. PC
master race.L36[01:51:39] <Izaya> Specifically,
FatalDistraction, a 2003 eMac 800Mhz with 128M of RAM
L37[01:51:44] <Izaya> anything
masterrace
L38[01:59:22] <FatalDistraction> Agreed
<FatalDistraction> AgreedL39[01:59:57] <FatalDistraction> But seriously,
128M of RAM?
<FatalDistraction> But seriously,
128M of RAM?L40[02:00:12] <FatalDistraction> that's only a
stack of Tier 3.5 RAM sticks
<FatalDistraction> that's only a
stack of Tier 3.5 RAM sticksL41[02:00:17] <Izaya> sorry, 256
L42[02:00:23] <Izaya> it had 128M
stock
L43[02:00:23] <FatalDistraction> oooh 2
stacks
<FatalDistraction> oooh 2
stacksL44[02:00:40] <Izaya> https://lain.shadowkat.net/~izaya/next.png
L45[02:00:56] <FatalDistraction> bad url?
<FatalDistraction> bad url?L47[02:01:40] <FatalDistraction> spotted this gem
a few minutes ago
<FatalDistraction> spotted this gem
a few minutes agoL48[02:01:40] <Izaya> oh right
L49[02:01:45] <Izaya> https://lain.shadowkat.net/~izaya/img/next.png
L50[02:02:06] <FatalDistraction> yeah, saw that
when scrolling through chat
<FatalDistraction> yeah, saw that
when scrolling through chatL51[02:02:27] <Kimiro> Dream of war, dream
of lies, dream of dragons' fire~
L52[02:02:39] <FatalDistraction> And of things
that will biiiite, yeah
<FatalDistraction> And of things
that will biiiite, yeahL53[02:02:59] <Corded> *
FatalDistraction highfive
L54[02:03:18] <Izaya> so I just tried to
run Minetest on here
L55[02:03:22] <Izaya> <1FPS
L56[02:03:38] <Izaya> let it be known that
it did run though
L57[02:04:06] <FatalDistraction> isnt minetest
just crappy minecraft?
<FatalDistraction> isnt minetest
just crappy minecraft?L58[02:04:21] <Izaya> it's more a game
engine than an actual game
L59[02:04:49] <FatalDistraction> just waiting for
them to be sued...
<FatalDistraction> just waiting for
them to be sued...L60[02:04:54] <FatalDistraction> anyway, I gotta
go to bed
<FatalDistraction> anyway, I gotta
go to bedL61[02:04:57] <Izaya> 'them'
L62[02:05:00] <FatalDistraction> 3:00 AM
here
<FatalDistraction> 3:00 AM
hereL63[02:05:06] <Izaya> how do you sue an
open-source project?
L64[02:05:12] <FatalDistraction> eh
<FatalDistraction> ehL65[02:05:22] <Izaya> anyway no-one is
going to be stealing MC's marketshare
L66[02:05:24] <FatalDistraction> you could just
smear it
<FatalDistraction> you could just
smear itL67[02:05:30] <Izaya> I don't think MS is
too worried
L68[02:05:39] <FatalDistraction> or take the
developers into a back room and break their fingers one by
one
<FatalDistraction> or take the
developers into a back room and break their fingers one by
oneL69[02:05:45] <FatalDistraction> *cough* i mean
what
<FatalDistraction> *cough* i mean
whatL70[02:09:35] <Izaya> all the devs?
L71[02:11:33] <Izaya> I wonder if I can
compile llvmpipe on here
L72[02:11:39] <gamax92> no llvmpipe for
you.
L73[02:13:52] <Izaya> D:
L74[02:14:11] <Izaya> but I want to be able
to run Blender on here
L75[02:14:20] <Izaya> maybe quake
L76[02:23:47] <gamax92> Izaya: Computing
frame, please wait ...
L77[02:25:11] <Izaya> configure: error:
Direct rendering requires libdrm >= 2.4.60
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L82[02:53:06] <greaser|q> Izaya: you can
probably disable DRI/DRM in mesa
L83[02:53:55] <greaser|q>
--disable-dri
L84[02:54:17] <asie> minetest is an
engine
L85[02:54:26] <asie> you can't sue an
engine which shares the same ideas as there's nothing protecting
the ideas
L86[02:54:40] <asie> on top of that,
minetest does not share anywhere near enough similarities to be
sued by copyright law
L87[02:54:48] <greaser|q> anyway i did
manage to get llvmpipe working on my pi3
L88[02:54:50] <asie> the tetris company has
a lot of cases relating to suing for cloning game mechanics
L89[02:54:54] <asie> you have to be really
really similar to be sued
L90[02:55:01] <asie> so TrueCraft, if
anything, is in dangerous legal territory
L91[02:55:14] <asie> that's why they're
strict on not working with devs who have seen MC source code
L92[02:56:05] <greaser|q> Izaya:
./configure --disable-dri --enable-gallium-llvm
--with-gallium-drivers=swrast
L93[02:56:15] <asie> Minetest has been
around for 4 years
L94[02:56:19] <asie> Manic Digger has been
around for 6 years
L95[02:56:31] <asie> and Manic Digger, let
it be known, reimplemented Minecraft's Classic network protocol in
2010
L96[02:56:32] <greaser|q> ah yes manic
digger
L97[02:56:33] <asie> no suing
happened
L98[02:56:37] <asie> the only thing that
happened is Notch went into the channel
L99[02:56:40] <asie> and kindly asked them
to stop
L100[02:56:42] <asie> which they kindly
did
L101[02:56:48] <greaser|q> and yes, manic
digger actually ran on freebsd 8
L102[02:57:00] <asie> in other words, you
can't sue someone for creating a Minecraft clone if it's not, well,
exactly the same game
L103[02:57:09] <asie> or almost
exactly
L104[02:57:24] <asie> and it's really
really hard to replicate the messy ideas and glitches present in
Minecraft, Kappa.
L105[02:57:38] <g> can confirm
L106[02:57:44] <g> glowstone's redstone
support is a great example of that
L107[02:57:57] <asie> you can only really
replicate it if you saw the source code, but at that point you can
well be sued
L108[02:58:13] <g> lots of people rely on
the bugs in redstone in vanilla MC, which are basically impossible
to replicate
L109[02:58:28] <asie> they actually are,
we had to replicate a lot of wonky behaviour when working on BC
pipe redstone support in gates
L110[02:58:37] <asie> the trick is, you
need to find the kind of people who build redstone computers 10
hours a day
L111[02:58:52] <g> well if you're one of
those people, submit us a PR :V
L112[02:58:59] <asie> i can't
L113[02:59:02] <g> D:
L114[02:59:02] <asie> i have seen
minecraft source code
L115[02:59:09] <asie> thus i am unable to
legally support cloning efforts
L116[02:59:45] <g> wait, actual source
code as opposed to decompiled?
L117[02:59:54] <asie> decompiled is
enough
L118[02:59:58] <asie> isn't it?
L119[03:00:02] <asie> greaser|q is more of
an expert than I am
L120[03:00:06] <asie> though we're both
not lawyers
L121[03:00:15] <g> I don't think that
matters from a legal standpoint once you're not actually copying
it
L122[03:00:47] <g> Like you have to be
able to prove that you came up with it on your own - that's why
most programmers in big companies keep a journal of everything they
do
L123[03:18:47] <g> what the
L124[03:18:47] <g> what
L125[03:18:49] <g> waaat
L127[03:20:11] <greaser|q> "Watch
this 48-hour rental any time in the next 30 days" yeah fuck
that shit
L128[03:22:55] <greaser|q> also through
that i found out about telltale games
L129[03:23:16] <greaser|q> which seems
less game and more tale
L130[03:25:38] <Inari> i suck at arting
;-;
L131[03:26:26] <Forecaster> everyone
does
L132[03:26:33] <Forecaster> compared to
someone else
L133[03:27:02] <Inari> that makes no
logical sense
L134[03:28:20] <Forecaster> why not?
L135[03:29:16] <Inari> cause it would make
a circle, not a hierarchy
L136[03:29:20] <Inari> A would be better
than B
L137[03:29:23] <Inari> but B woujld be
better than A
L138[03:30:38] <Forecaster> peoples
perceptions are not necessarily logical :P
L139[03:30:42] <Inari> lets try inkscape
then
L140[03:30:45] <Forecaster> especially not
when it comes to art
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L142[03:33:26] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/reverse-shell/routersploit
L143[03:35:22] <Forecaster> Inari: I'm
sure you've heard the expression "The grass is always greener
on the other side" :P
L144[03:37:17] <Cruor> Forecaster: if you
go to the other side, is the grass greener where you was
then?
L145[03:37:40] <Forecaster> pretty much
:P
L146[03:38:01] <Cruor> so you can make inf
amount of green by changing sides
L147[03:38:21] <Cruor> green is going to
get so devaluated with that
L148[03:38:23] <Forecaster> that's
probably over analyzing the expression :P
L149[03:40:31] <CompanionCube> https://steamdb.info/blog/breaking-steam-client-cryptography/
L150[03:57:15] <g> It's like you didn't
browse reddit last night
L151[03:57:16] <g> :P
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L153[04:12:36] <Inari> i need to make a
stylised version of the spaded TLR tail to become an icon for
myself
L154[04:12:44] <Inari> s/become/make
L155[04:12:45] <MichiBot> <Inari> i
need to make a stylised version of the spaded TLR tail to make an
icon for myself
L156[04:14:13] <Inari> then i need to
learn to hand draw a quick version of it so i can sign with
that
L157[04:14:35] <Kodos> Anyone good with
probability math
L158[04:15:08] <Inari> someone probably
is
L159[04:23:05] <Kodos> If I've got 6
numbers, each is randomly selected from 1-20, what are the odds of
someone guessing all 6 numbers correctly
L160[04:26:25] <Izaya> oooh thanks
greaser|q
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L162[04:28:34] <KittyKath> Kodos: If the
numbers may repeat, (1/20)^6. If they do not repeat,
(1/20)*(1/19)*...*(1/15).
L163[04:28:52] <Kodos> #lua return
(1/20)^6
L164[04:28:56] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
1.5625e-08
L165[04:29:00] <Kodos> I...
L166[04:29:13] *
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L167[04:29:20] <Kodos> Math and English do
not mix
L168[04:29:25] <KittyKath> 0.000000015
Kodos
L169[04:29:36] <Kodos> And that's 1 in how
many
L170[04:29:46] <KittyKath> 1 in 10^8
L171[04:29:53] <KittyKath> 1.5 in
10^8
L172[04:29:54] <Kodos> So still pretty
slim
L173[04:30:23] <Kodos> I'm trying to
balance a lotto around the fact that there's probably only going to
be a dozen or so players playing it
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L175[04:31:00] <KittyKath> Kodos:
Roulette.
L176[04:31:10] <Izaya> had to disable egl
too
L177[04:31:16] <Kodos> KittyKath, Sure,
you gonna write that program for me?
L178[04:31:27] <KittyKath> Kodos: No, I'm
against gambling.
L179[04:33:54] <KittyKath> But it is very
easy. You have 64 fields, and three conditions that can either be
true or false. Check for odd/even for red/black, less or bigger
than 20 or 40 or if a player set on that number specifically. If
either is true multiply their entry by a given number.
L180[04:34:13] <KittyKath> If you want to
make money of it add 0 and 00 fields.
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L188[05:14:28] <Inari> s/rou/rac
L189[05:14:28] <MichiBot> <Kodos>
I'm trying to balance a lotto aracnd the fact that there's probably
only going to be a dozen or so players playing it
L190[05:14:37] <Inari> ...
L191[05:14:58] <Inari> s/roul/racl
L192[05:15:01] <Inari> fu
L193[05:15:09] <Inari> is it case
sensitive or something
L194[05:15:13] <Inari> s/Roul/Racl
L195[05:15:13] <MichiBot>
<KittyKath> Kodos: Raclette.
L196[05:15:14] <Inari> there
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L203[06:04:56] <Inari> http://goo.gl/bsmqjB l-lewd
L204[06:05:35] <Forecaster> O
L205[06:05:40] <Forecaster> :O
L206[06:15:25] <Kodos> Are resource packs
reported server-side?
L207[06:18:23] <Izaya> >.> Mesa
didn't build a libGL.so
L208[06:18:51] <Izaya> oh shit I may have
picked a really bad time to reappear
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L210[06:18:55] <Forecaster> Kodos:
no
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L212[06:19:05] <Forecaster> but the server
can provide resource packs
L213[06:19:17] <Kodos> That's fine
L214[06:19:18] <Forecaster> but it's not
aware of the ones the client is using
L215[06:19:31] <Kodos> I just needed to
know if I shouldn't bother with turning stone into a transparent
texture
L216[06:20:24] <Forecaster> ...
L217[06:20:54] <Kodos> Brilliant,
right?
L218[06:22:34] <Forecaster> I don't think
cheating is brilliant, but you do whatever
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L223[06:29:48] <Sandra> Resource packs are
100% client side only.
L224[06:29:51] <Sandra> I'm afraid.
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L226[06:30:12] <Sandra> servers can be
configured to push a resource pack to the client.
L227[06:30:19] <Sandra> but they're not
loaded server side at all.
L228[06:37:28] <Forecaster> I said that
already
L229[06:37:29] <Forecaster> :P
L230[06:38:08] *
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L231[06:38:28] <Izaya> Welp, it seems the
best I can do with this box is 1024x768x24 with no hardware
acceleration
L232[06:38:34] <Izaya> I can work with
this, but :|
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L235[06:58:40] <vifino> Today, my desktop
changed it's hostname out of nowhere.
L236[06:58:59] <vifino> It said it was
surface instead of zen. No idea how this happened.
L237[06:59:07] *
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L240[07:07:07] <Lizzy> :( i think the
eduroam network at this site isn't configured correctly, can't
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L242[07:09:09] <Lizzy> .p
L243[07:09:09] <Lizzy> .ping
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L245[07:10:40] <vifino> #p
L246[07:10:41] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
0.14721092500000002 Seconds passed.
L247[07:10:45] <vifino> #p Lizzy
L248[07:10:46] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
0.614784763 Seconds passed.
L249[07:11:19] <Lizzy> I would talk to my
boss (networking manager) about it but i've annoyed him enough
today
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L256[07:40:07] <Inari> coming up wiht a
good UI i shard
L257[07:40:07] <Inari> :P
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L266[08:15:42] <Inari> any 1.9 builds
planned?
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L273[08:30:00] <LordFokas|uni>
heyooooooooo o/
L274[08:30:26] <Inari>
oyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
L275[08:31:04] <LordFokas|uni> what's
up?
L276[08:31:15] <Inari> not much, mostly
sitting around and being bored
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L279[08:42:43] <Inari> TIL http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3092
L280[08:44:42] <LordFokas|uni> trying to
setup forge on this laptop
L281[08:44:50] <LordFokas|uni> failed once
already
L282[08:45:11] <LordFokas|uni> apparently
decompiling the MC jar exceeded the GC overhead limit or
something
L283[08:46:25] <LordFokas|uni> I seriously
hope this dual core Pentium and 4GB of ram are enough
L284[08:46:34] <LordFokas|uni>
aaaaaaaaaaaaand NOPE.
L285[08:46:49] <LordFokas|uni> Execution
failed for task ':decompileMc'. > GC overhead limit
exceeded
L286[08:47:20] <LordFokas|uni> FML, I'll
have to haul my ass over to forge's channel to get some
answers
L287[08:47:43] <Lizzy> heyooooo
L288[08:47:56] <LordFokas|uni>
heyooooo
L289[08:48:01] *
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L292[08:55:28] <Lizzy> Right, i've got
work stuff to do
L293[09:01:42] <Michiyo> Ugh.. does anyone
happen to have an XP activator...?
L294[09:05:57] <Inari> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hovr-unconsciously-burn-more-calories-at-work#/
neat
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L296[09:12:53] <gamax92> Steam why
...
L297[09:13:16] <g> hovr? seems legit
L298[09:13:35] <g> ..actually it seems
like an incredibly unlikely method to lose any weight at all
L299[09:14:01] <g> I can imagine people
buying one of these and doing nothing else at all, and complaining
that it doesn't work when they continue to gain weight
L300[09:16:33] <Inari> g: hm? more
movement means you burn more calories
L301[09:16:43] <g> If you're moving
yourself, yeah
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L303[09:16:57] <Inari> it claims you
are
L304[09:16:58] <Inari> :P
L305[09:17:00] <g> I don't see how this is
any different to pedalling something or just moving your legs
around
L306[09:17:07] <g> it'd need at least as
much effort
L307[09:17:07] <g> lol
L308[09:17:14] <Inari> pedalling needs
more conscious effort
L309[09:17:48] <g> also, it's still going
to be a minute amount of calories
L310[09:17:48] <Inari> but yeah, you're
not going to be thin from just using that if you eat wrong :P
L311[09:17:54] <KittyKath> Inari: (pure)
Exercise for weight loss is a stupid idea. If you can't control
your eating you will eat more if you use more calories. If you want
to lose weight you always need to diet as well.
L312[09:18:12] <Inari> noone talked about
just exercise though
L313[09:18:39] <g> Yeah, we know that,
kitty :P
L314[09:18:46] <KittyKath> Well, it is
their selling point.
L315[09:19:00] <g> Yeah, I think most of
the people that buy this will be people that think it's all they
need
L316[09:19:02] <LordFokas|uni> a
disciplined diet is the most important part of both weight loss and
muscle gain.
L317[09:19:15] <Inari> ew muscle gain
xD
L318[09:19:39] <LordFokas|uni> and by
disciplined diet I don't mean eat less, but eat better
L319[09:20:15] <Inari> *eat the right
amount of calories
L320[09:20:28] <LordFokas|uni> My PT got
me on a diet once... I started eating the double I used to. It was
mostly a weight loss diet.
L321[09:20:44] <Inari> you mustn eat a lot
usually haha
L322[09:21:05] <Inari> i dont see them
even mentioning weight loss
L323[09:22:13] <LordFokas|uni> I had to
eat 2 cans of tuna and tomatoes or cucumber for my afternoon
snack
L324[09:22:21] <Inari> well seems if you
use it for 8 hours it could give you some 100~200 calories extra
that day
L325[09:22:51] <Inari> so yeah, if you
super overeat anyway, that isnt a lot of extra candy
L326[09:22:51] <Inari> :P
L327[09:23:03] <LordFokas|uni> it was a
solid 1kg of food right there
L328[09:23:05] <vifino> WAIT
L329[09:23:08] <vifino> THERE IS A TUNA
DIET?!
L330[09:23:12] <Inari> LordFokas:
wat
L331[09:23:17] <Inari> how dou even eat
1kg of food
L332[09:23:35] <vifino> brb need to find
out how to do this deliceous tuna diet
L333[09:23:39] <LordFokas|uni> you eat
your mouth and shove it in.
L334[09:23:53] <LordFokas|uni> open*
L335[09:23:56] <LordFokas|uni> wtf
fingers
L336[09:24:22] <Inari> 333 kcal if a can
is 150g and it isnt in fat apparently
L337[09:24:47] <LordFokas|uni> the thing
is that doesn't have anything to do with calories
L338[09:24:50] <Inari> pplus the
tomatoes/cucumber
L339[09:24:56] <Inari> of course it
does
L340[09:24:59] <LordFokas|uni> burning
calories is simple
L341[09:25:11] <Inari> well you burn some
by simple existing :P
L342[09:25:12] <Inari> so yeah
L343[09:25:14] <LordFokas|uni> the hard
part is balancing the nutrients
L344[09:25:38] <LordFokas|uni> for
example, if your diet is lacking protein, your body starts to eat
it's own muscles
L345[09:25:48] <Inari> oh?
L346[09:25:53] *
Inari notes down to leave out protein
L347[09:26:02] <LordFokas|uni> I had the
opposite diet
L348[09:26:06] <Inari> but uhhh
L349[09:26:11] <LordFokas|uni> lots of
protein and barely any carbs
L350[09:26:26] <LordFokas|uni> to force my
body to consume all this "cached" fat :p
L351[09:26:33] <Inari> i dont think you
need to generally pay that much attention to how much protein or
carbs you have... unless you eat really weirdly and thus have a
real lack of something
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L353[09:27:24] <Inari> well yeah lowcarb
diets seem to not do much better or worse tahn calorie counting
diets int he longterm
L354[09:28:16] <Inari> if you take in less
calories thatn you use up, it has to take those calories from
somewehre
L355[09:30:02] <g> <+LordFokas|uni> for example, if your diet is
lacking protein, your body starts to eat it's own muscles
L356[09:30:03] <g> Nope
L357[09:30:09] <Inari> of course you
shouldnt eat too much less becasue then apaprently theres some kind
of "omg we have too little food" mode inwhich your
calorie consumption goes down
L358[09:30:15] <g> Quite an overused wives
tale, that one
L359[09:30:49] <g> That along with muscles
and fat transitioning between each other depending on how much
exercise you get
L360[09:31:40] <g> Inari: "getting
calories from somewhere" isn't as simple as that,
honestly.
L361[09:32:01] <Inari> well, where does it
get calories from? :P photosynthesis?
L362[09:32:10] <g> No, the body largely
doesn't eat itself
L363[09:32:14] <g> But it can shut
down
L364[09:32:41] <g> That's why you
sometimes read about extremely malnourished people with inactive
kidneys and stuff
L365[09:32:48] <Inari> yeah
L366[09:32:51] <Inari> which was what i
said
L367[09:32:53] <Inari> with overdoign
it
L368[09:33:00] <g> Well, yeah, but it's
not eating its own kidneys
L369[09:33:03] <g> it's just using less
calories
L370[09:33:06] <Inari> sure
L371[09:33:25] <Inari> i never said it
eats its kidneys though
L372[09:33:25] <Inari> Oo
L373[09:33:49] <Inari> my point was that
it gets calories from the stored fat
L374[09:33:53] <g> oh right
L375[09:33:53] <Inari> since thats kind of
the point of the stored fat
L376[09:33:56] <g> Yeah, that's
right
L377[09:34:05] <Inari> unless you eat too
little at which point stuff shuts down yeah
L378[09:34:36] <g> Yeah
L379[09:34:43] <g> "starvation
mode" is itself quite interesting though
L380[09:34:51] <g> Have you heard of
lipotrim?
L381[09:34:59] <Inari> i wonder why we
dont have any calorie burning implants yet :P
L382[09:35:00] <Inari> nope
L383[09:35:21] <g> Basically, it's a meal
replacement thing that they developed for overweight cancer
patients to lose weight quickly enough to have their
operation
L384[09:35:38] <g> But it's been proven
safe for the masses so you can get it easily in pharmacies over
here
L385[09:35:48] <Inari> "meal
replacement" never quite did it for me :P I tried soylent but
ehhhh
L386[09:36:00] <g> oh god, yeah, I can't
stand it either
L387[09:36:05] <g> and I'm not convinced
of the merits
L388[09:36:09] <Inari> i rather stay fit
by doign exercise and counting calories
L389[09:36:11] <g> anyway, basically you
have these powders, and you drink 3 shakes per day made of
them
L390[09:36:21] <g> and _apparently_ that's
just enough of every nutrient you need
L391[09:36:29] <g> however, you'd imagine
you'd be hungry all the time
L392[09:36:32] <Inari> their website is
broken lol
L393[09:36:47] <g> basically, you're
inducing this "starvation mode"
L394[09:36:53] <g> which causes a thing
called ketosis
L395[09:36:55] <Inari> that... makes no
sense?
L396[09:37:04] <Inari> uh
L397[09:37:12] <Inari> doesnt ketosis
happen when you do lowcarb diet :P
L398[09:37:19] <g> It can
L399[09:37:20] <g> I think
L400[09:37:27] <Inari> thats like, teh
whole point of lowcarb
L401[09:37:35] <g> but anyway, the point
is how battery-included our starvation mode is
L402[09:37:38] <Inari> well extremely low
carb at that
L403[09:37:52] <Inari> i wouldnt realte
ketosis to starvation mode but eh i have no clue
L404[09:37:57] <g> If you're hungry enough
for a while, you get ketosis, which is the release of chemicals
called ketones
L405[09:38:05] <g> one of the things
ketones do is stop you from feeling hungry
L406[09:38:05] <g> lol
L407[09:38:33] <Inari> ketosis just means
you dont use sugars for energy but rather converted fat or
sometihng
L408[09:38:34] <Inari> afaik
L409[09:38:35] <g> the thing with lipotrim
is, though, if you then go and eat food when you're not meant to,
you're going to be really hungry again for another week
L410[09:39:02] <g> Yeah, that's the
definition of it
L411[09:39:15] <g> But one of the side
effects is, yknow, loss of appetite
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L413[09:39:36] <g> unfortunately the
lipotrim shakes taste like complete garabage
L414[09:39:36] <Inari> i like my
appetite
L415[09:39:41] <g> otherwise I'd have been
okay with it
L416[09:39:44] <Inari> i wouldnt mind al
oss of apatite though
L417[09:43:13] <Inari> mah
L418[09:43:14] <Inari> im bored
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L425[10:04:24] <S3> Whee
L426[10:05:35] <S3> So
L427[10:05:44] <payonel> o/
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L429[10:06:21] <payonel> god morgen
L430[10:06:29] <payonel> hyvaa
houmenta
L431[10:06:52] <payonel> bongiorno
L432[10:06:57] <payonel> bueanos
dias
L433[10:07:04] <payonel> buenos* :/
L434[10:14:29] <vifino> Guten
morgen*
L435[10:14:56] <payonel> oohayo
gozaimasu!
L436[10:15:06] <S3> Sinjoro payonel.. via
lingvo estas malbona.. vi duvas lernu la lingvo da Esperanton kaj
parolas trebona..
L437[10:15:09] <vifino> Man, you religeous
nerds are messing up german.
L438[10:15:42] <vifino> S3: Yes, we all
know you speak Esperanto.
L439[10:15:46] <S3> XD
L440[10:15:54] <S3> Jes!
L441[10:16:08] <payonel> esperanto sucks
ars
L442[10:16:18] <vifino> Spanish >
Esperanto
L443[10:17:54] <payonel> i shouldn't be so
negative :( sorry
L444[10:18:05] <payonel> i guess, i just
never drank the esperanto koolaid
L445[10:18:40] <S3> La lingvo da
Esperanton estas malgranda kaj trebona, sed hispana estas stultaj
lingvo por ciuj..
L446[10:18:59] <S3> heh
L447[10:19:13] <S3> aka. Spanish is
dumb
L448[10:19:15] <vifino> S3, please, I may
understand you, but many people don't,
L449[10:19:27] <S3> and Esperanto isn't as
much like spanish as people think
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L451[10:19:40] <S3> it also has a lot of
russian and eastern european mixes
L452[10:20:04] <S3> It steals the best
features of other languages
L453[10:20:07] <S3> often
L454[10:20:22] <S3> and thankfully it is
easy
L455[10:21:46] <S3> vifino: radio is being
weird..
L456[10:21:54] <S3> I am getting packets
from a balloon or something
L457[10:22:10] <S3> it's moving but I
can't really tell and it's at 130 feet above sea level here
L458[10:22:40] <S3> but it's like, not
raising or lowering, it's moving horrizontally
L459[10:22:46] <S3> so it's likely
airborne..
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L461[10:23:22] <S3> hey Flenix
L462[10:23:53] <Flenix> Hello
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L465[10:34:21] <Michiyo> I just converted
a physical XP machine to a VM so we could retire this ancient ass
dell running our rental software
L466[10:34:37] <payonel> that is
awesome
L467[10:34:38] <Michiyo> Though I'm not
sure WHY I did it as no one around here will be smart enough to
understand how the fuck to use it
L468[10:34:52] <payonel> what vm
software?
L469[10:35:02] <payonel> is it that
complicated to double click a vm?
L470[10:35:32] <Michiyo> VMWare player,
the issue is the guy that comes around to update our end of the DB
won't be able to just plug his flash drive into the computer
anymore
L471[10:36:08] <Michiyo> And if he comes
on a day I'm not here to hold his hand and make it work for
him...
L472[10:37:00] <Michiyo> Don't even have
to double click the VM.. it starts itself on boot incase the host
reboots, it's not "like the old system" so it's
bad.
L473[10:37:44] <S3> Michiyo: bah nobody
cares, just use Xen and give that to them
L474[10:37:47] <S3> tell them RTFM
L475[10:37:56] <S3> :D
L476[10:38:19] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riM1KZn9q4k
L477[10:38:19] <MichiBot> 03 - Bôa -
Duvet | length: 3m 21s | Likes: 605 Dislikes: 3
Views: 55135 | by Green Grass
L478[10:39:08] <Michiyo> S3, ifo nly
L479[10:39:11] <Michiyo> if only too
L480[10:39:52] <Inari> repair the fucking
machine?
L481[10:40:04] <Inari> ohwait
L482[10:40:08] <Inari> ride the fucking
machine
L483[10:40:09] <Inari> tehe~
L484[10:40:48] <Michiyo> this would all be
resolved if someone would come up off the cash to upgrade said
rental software so we could run it on this new computer
L485[10:40:53] <Michiyo> but NOOOOOOOO
spending MONEY?!
L486[10:41:45] <Michiyo> I also have
working networked database stuff for this software, so the guy
doesn't even HAVE to come update our DB... but nope, this is the
way we've always done it so this is how we'll keep doing it
L487[10:42:57] <Michiyo> Why am I
here..?
L488[10:43:10] <Michiyo> I should totally
go to school get my certs and go find a real fucking IT job
L489[10:47:47] <KittyKath> Michiyo: Yes,
you should go find a better job. And you are more than good enough.
Go for a few jobs that you consider way out of your league. You
might just surprise yourself :)
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L491[10:49:58] <Izaya> Michiyo: How hard
did the XP freak?
L492[10:50:31] <Michiyo> Izaya, not that
bad actually, it was an OEM install, so activation was...
special
L493[10:50:50] <Michiyo> it took a while
to fix that when I did fix it it would say I needed to activate,
say windows is already activated, then log me back out
L494[10:51:01] <Michiyo> but once I fixed
that Windows seemed to give 0 fucks
L495[10:51:24] <Izaya> That's why I always
keep a copy of Windows Loader
L496[10:51:32] <Izaya> on my person
L497[10:51:35] <Michiyo> I have one at
home.. somewhere
L498[10:51:48] <Michiyo> I lost my 64gb
flash drive with all that shit on it
L499[10:51:51] <Michiyo> q_q
L500[10:51:57] <vifino> rip
L501[10:52:25] <Izaya> I need to add
Windows Loader to my 7 DVD actually
L502[10:52:53] <Izaya> And also a bunch of
drivers
L503[10:54:58] <Cazzar> I need to work out
how to make a multi-boot USB that is uefi compat
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L507[11:03:20] <Michiyo> KittyKath, I have
no certs, or formal training, Everything I know is self taught, and
everything I've found wants certs, degrees, or work experience, of
which I have none. Which is why going to school first is needed
:P
L508[11:08:22] <vifino> I wonder. How much
is needed for a small device to connect to OpenHAB
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L510[11:08:42] <vifino> oh, right,
mqtt
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L515[11:30:54] <payonel> Michiyo: i know
my area is different (i.e. dev, not IT) but just for comparison
(and in support of what you said) we don't even consider candidates
without a degree - and i never see candidates with considerable
work experience without a degree
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L517[11:51:38] *
Lizzy is back
L518[12:00:41] *
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L519[12:00:58] <Temia> Catboy wants
attention. ' -'
L520[12:01:39] <vifino> Yes, yes I
do.
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L522[12:05:11] *
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L526[12:07:32] *
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L527[12:08:12] <Inari> ;seen Sangar
L528[12:08:21] <Inari> %seen Sangar
L529[12:08:21] <MichiBot> Inari: Sangar
was last seen 19h 46m 29s ago.
L530[12:11:06] <Lizzy> Lol, brilliantly
timed announcements there c2c, a two in a row announcement about a
train not stopping and to stand back the first as it was going
through the station, the second after it had completely
passed
L531[12:12:18] <Inari> haha
L532[12:12:27] <Inari> what does c2c stand
for even :s
L533[12:12:31] <Lizzy> No odea
L534[12:12:34] <Lizzy> Idea
L535[12:13:11] <Lizzy> City 2 county,
maybe? I don't actually know
L536[12:13:14] <Inari> "The name c2c
doesn't mean anything specific. In a sense it can mean anything you
want it to"
L537[12:13:16] <Inari> right
L538[12:13:41] <Inari>
"cum2cunny" will do
L539[12:14:06] <Lizzy> -_-
L540[12:14:15] <Inari> what
L541[12:14:37] <Lizzy> Trust you to come
up with something like that
L542[12:14:42] <Inari> tehe
L543[12:14:48] <Inari> read my rtfm?
L544[12:14:58] <Lizzy> ?
L545[12:15:05] <Inari> "ride the
fucking-machine"
L546[12:15:13] <Lizzy> Ah, lol
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L550[12:16:39] <vifino> Same. :(
L551[12:17:40] <Inari> ikr
L552[12:17:42] <Inari> no stupid train
rides
L553[12:19:18] <vifino> You are a lost
cause, Inari.
L554[12:19:30] <Inari> hm?
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L557[12:19:37] <Inari> Vexy!
L558[12:19:52] <Inari> hows computronics
fro 1.9 going?
L559[12:20:36] <Evey> sSexy Vexy!
L560[12:20:50] <Evey> :P
L561[12:21:13] <Lizzy> Hah
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L563[12:23:25] <Vexatos> Inari, ask
LexManos
L564[12:23:38] <Vexatos> for an ETA of
forge
L565[12:23:39] <Inari> theres forge for
1.9, no?
L566[12:23:42] <Vexatos> nope
L567[12:23:42] *
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L568[12:23:43] <Vexatos> not
recommended
L569[12:23:47] <Inari> psh
L570[12:24:10] <Lizzy> I doubt he'd
come
L571[12:24:26] <g> probably would autoban
on #minecraftforge for it
L572[12:24:27] <g> knowing him
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L574[12:24:53] <Mimiru> I got banned for
joining the channel when drama was happening
L575[12:24:55] <Mimiru> lol
L576[12:25:05] <g> I almost got banned for
having a short nick
L577[12:25:06] <g> :v
L578[12:25:07] <Lizzy> Lol?
L579[12:25:18] <Lizzy> Lol?
L580[12:25:23] <Inari> its lex
L581[12:25:25] <Inari> what do you
expect
L582[12:25:30] <g> corrupt as shit
L583[12:25:34] <g> but at least he does
forge things
L584[12:27:31] <payonel> why even bother
being on irc
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L587[12:49:06] <Inari> to be able to
ban
L588[12:49:48] <Vexatos> "I b&
u" ~ Cruor 2016
L589[12:50:49] <Inari> he baits?
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L591[12:53:54] <g> Inari: wut
L592[12:54:04] <g> "b&", aka
"band"
L593[12:54:25] <Inari> oright
L594[12:54:28] <Inari> i confused it with
b8
L595[12:54:28] <Inari> :P
L596[12:54:33] <g> lol
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L603[13:11:51] ***
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L606[13:17:11] <Nerezza> Wow took some
effot to get the network this channel is on @.@
L607[13:18:13] <Dashkal> In general, most
mc channels, modded or otherwise, are here on esper.
L608[13:19:41] <Temia> EsperNet is the
Freenode of Minecraft.
L609[13:20:26] <asie> i should move
#charset to Rizn
L610[13:20:28] <asie> Rizon*
L611[13:20:33] <Dashkal> Freenode is the
freenode of... what exactly?
L612[13:20:37] <asie> the internet
L613[13:20:46] <Dashkal> Sure, I'll go
with that
L614[13:21:07] <Temia> Programming,
mostly, but asie's statement works too.
L615[13:21:21] <Dashkal> That's what I'm
doing there. Freenode for programming, esper for MC.
L616[13:21:28] <Dashkal> I don't irc for
anything else anymore.
L617[13:21:56] <Temia> I'm one of those
weird oldbies who used to use EsperNet for roleplay, a good decade
back. .-.
L618[13:23:02] <Inari> lewd
roleplay?
L619[13:23:02] <vifino> This MCU... The
unused gpio pins are high by default. ._.
L620[13:23:06] <Temia> No.
L621[13:23:08] <Inari> aw
L622[13:23:22] <vifino> moowd?
L623[13:23:26] <Temia> Noooo.
L624[13:23:40] <Dashkal> I messed about on
effnet years ago, but lost interest. There was another run by the
same people who ran a MUD I coded for I hung out on.... Darkfire I
think? Vague memory is vague.
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L626[13:24:57] <Temia> Lessee, I used to
go to DALnet a long time back, but these days I mostly hang around
here, Darkmyst, PC-Logix, BadnikNET, and my own network Clever Pun.
.-.
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L628[13:25:49] <vifino> Not enough people
on wtftis.science. ._.
L629[13:27:41] <vifino> Wait, I have an
idea. I have i²c. Let's see if I can dig up an old wiimote and use
it's IR camera.
L630[13:44:45] <CompanionCube> Freenode is
the Freenode of generic OSS.
L631[13:46:26] <Vexatos> %tell Sangar
Hi
L632[13:46:27] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Sangar
will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L634[13:48:04] <Inari> Vexatos: so i
assume thats the same reason OC doesnt have a 1.9 branch yet?
L635[13:48:16] <Vexatos> yes
L636[14:02:32] <vifino> Yayzers. I can
send a UDP packet to my MCU and it'll set it's little RGB LED to
that. :3
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L638[14:03:12] <vifino> echo -n
"FF00FF" | socat - udp-connect:192.168.1.60:1337
L639[14:03:16] <vifino> ~
L640[14:03:23] <vifino> Snaazzy
purple.
L641[14:03:37] <Inari>
"purple"
L642[14:04:13] <vifino> Inari: The LED
lights up purple/violetish.
L643[14:04:24] <Inari> sounds like a bad
LED
L644[14:04:29] <vifino> Nope.
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L646[14:13:46] <Skye> gah I have
hiccups!
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L648[14:16:28] *
Lizzy bashes head trying to work out LE stuff
L649[14:17:35] <Inari> little
endian?
L650[14:18:29] <Lizzy> Lets Encrypt
L651[14:18:37] <Inari> i want an anime
version of faust
L652[14:18:38] <Inari> :f
L653[14:18:43] <Inari> (and no, madoka is
not hat)
L654[14:24:50] <g> Lizzy: Need a
hand?
L655[14:25:29] <gamax92> Temia: writing a
gui networked program in python, this shall be fun
L656[14:26:55] <Inari> g: lewd
L657[14:27:19] <gamax92> Inari: lewd
L658[14:27:31] <Inari> lewd lewd!
L659[14:27:35] *
Inari runs in circles around gamax92
L660[14:27:55] <gamax92> Help D:
L661[14:27:55] <gamax92> The dark one is
trying to sacrifice me.
L662[14:27:56] <g> Inari running around to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxFYoGNJKc
L663[14:27:57] <MichiBot> Treasure
Trove Cove - Banjo-Kazooie | length: 4m 7s | Likes:
1170 Dislikes: 10 Views: 126395 | by
GilvaSunner
L664[14:29:21] <Lizzy> g, if you can.
Trying to get LE to auth with a vhost which proxies to jenkins,
tried aliasing the .well-known directory to an actual folder but
that just 404's ¬_¬
L665[14:29:35] <g> Lizzy: alright, hold
on, let me SSH in
L666[14:29:41] <g> nginx?
L667[14:30:06] <Inari> g: not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Uqp4ZM5dA ?
L668[14:30:06] <MichiBot> Uh Uh Uh 10
hours | length: 10h | Likes: 3240 Dislikes: 128 Views: 328847 | by
Kipper
L669[14:30:20] <Lizzy> g, yup
L670[14:30:29] <g> Lizzy: alright, so this
is the server block I use https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/April/mintty_2016-04-26_20-30-24.png
L671[14:30:35] <g> it's for plex, but
details
L672[14:30:45] <Inari> must have been fun
to VA that
L673[14:30:45] <g> you can see my location
block there
L674[14:31:11] <g> Does yours look like
that? and is it _above_ the location / block?
L675[14:32:59] <Lizzy> it wasn't
L676[14:33:05] <Lizzy> lemme try your
way
L677[14:33:11] <g> note that I'm forcing
SSL here
L678[14:33:19] <g> but the letsencrypt
client is happy to use an invalid cert for verification
L679[14:33:29] <g> because it's where the
domain points that matters
L680[14:33:40] <gamax92> anyone have a
lz77 decompressor in lua
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L682[14:34:07] <g> Lizzy: make sure your
letsencrypt config looks like this, also
L683[14:34:08] <g> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/April/mintty_2016-04-26_20-34-06.png
L684[14:34:27] <g> And that you're calling
it in a similar way to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/April/2016-04-26_20-34-28.png
L685[14:35:02] <g> note that LE has to be
run as root for whatever reason
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L687[14:35:33] <g> my entire script is
like this, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/April/mintty_2016-04-26_20-35-36.png
L688[14:35:40] <g> and I cron that for
couple weeks
L689[14:35:45] <g> every couple*
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L692[14:42:16] <Inari> http://imgur.com/pADaHkt
L693[14:42:57] <g> oh hey, another space
simulator
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L695[14:45:33] <Nerezza> Two questions I
want to start with real quick: Is it at all possible to scroll
up/down the openOS prompt on any tier of screen and how much space
does a floppy have by default?
L696[14:46:39] <g> ..that's weird, I
thought there'd be docs on the size of the floppy
L697[14:47:12] <g> 512KB, Nerezza
L698[14:47:15] <g> and no idea about the
scrolling
L699[14:47:54] <Kodos> Inari, that looks
nice
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L701[14:53:51] <Nerezza> Then there's no
scrolling on default openOS I guess. And yeah, floppy size
undocumented on the wiki
L702[14:54:07] <Nerezza> In english at
least. Idk if there's a german wiki
L703[14:54:35] <S3> Nerezza: floppies are
1MB iirc?
L704[14:54:43] <S3> or 500K
L705[14:54:50] <S3> it's easy to find
out
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L709[14:55:13] <Nerezza> I'm busy with
other things and can't start MC, so I figured I'd ask here ;P
L710[14:55:30] <S3> greaser|q: your eeprom
code is so strange :D
L711[14:55:47] <Nerezza> Thank you for
telling me. Next question: best way to write to an eeprom?
L712[14:56:08] <S3> there's an API, also
OpenOS has a flash program thatl do it for you
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L714[14:56:45] <lunar_mom> Hello!
L715[14:57:02] <S3> greaser|q: I hae never
seen anyone write boot code without assembly :P
L716[14:57:11] <S3> doing it from C is
ridiculous
L717[14:57:14] <S3> XD
L718[14:57:24] <Lizzy> g, I think i got
it, mind going to https://git.theender.net & https://ci.theender.net (ci will give you a 502
error cause jenkins isn't started yet) and seeing if the certs have
been set properly?
L719[14:58:04] <S3> greaser|q: but I am
curious where'd you get your information for the TLB, I never found
anything on that
L720[14:58:21] <S3> (And I also have no
idea what you are doing with it specifically)
L721[15:01:09] <lunar_mom> S3: I was told
to ask you about OCRANET
L722[15:01:22] <S3> Sure
L723[15:01:53] <lunar_mom> What is it,
exactly?
L724[15:03:13] <S3> OCRANET Is a low
bandwidth, connection oriented, circuit switched protocol intended
for connecting resources in games (particularly Minecraft)
together. It allows for inter-server communication of CC / OC
components, etc.
L725[15:04:09] <S3> It resembles much of a
tiered switched telephone network used in ATM/STM + SONET
infrastructures that actually still power the US believe it or
not
L726[15:04:26] <S3> much of the US
Internet*
L727[15:05:21] <CompanionCube> (also,
PPPoA also uses ATM and is surprisingly common)
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L729[15:05:52] <S3> lunar_mom: The way it
kind of works is that every line is about 1KB/s of bandwidth, an
dyou can pair together lines to achieve higherbandwidth.
L730[15:06:08] <S3> for a total of like
160KB/s through a relay or somethingf like that
L731[15:06:44] <Skye> Networks and
Operating Systems are very interesting
L732[15:06:49] <S3> one protocol does
circuit switching of ATM like packets (it's degraded down) and the
other interlaces packets byte per byte for mass trunking
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L734[15:07:01] <vifino> Pfft, operating
systems.
L735[15:07:08] <vifino> Lua on bare
hardware OP.
L736[15:07:13] <S3> LOL
L737[15:07:27] <S3> vifino: nope. lua
cpu.
L738[15:07:33] <S3> 100% hardware lua
:)
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L741[15:07:42] <CompanionCube> obviously
we need a Lua Machine
L742[15:07:46] <Kodos> Where are the vim
wizards at
L743[15:07:54] <vifino> What do you need,
Kodos?
L744[15:08:02] <S3> emacs ftw
L745[15:08:05] <Kodos> Trying to remember
how to get the syntax highlighting for a Lua file again
L746[15:08:10] <S3> lunar_mom: So, what
perks your interest in ocranet?
L747[15:08:12] <vifino> :syntax on
L748[15:08:21] <S3> lunar_mom: looking to
be a user? or an ISP?
L749[15:08:26] <vifino> In normal mode,
obviously.
L750[15:08:30] <Kodos> Right
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L752[15:08:41] <vifino> <ESC>:syntax
on
L753[15:08:42] <Kodos> And how do I tell
it I want Lua syntax? Just save the file as .lua?
L754[15:08:47] <vifino> Yep.
L755[15:08:49] <Nerezza> What editor do
most people use for their lua stuff outside of MC?
L756[15:08:51] <Kodos> Thanks =D
L757[15:08:57] <vifino> Or :set ftype=lua
or something
L758[15:09:12] <Kodos> I'm on my netbook
atm, so vim/nano, but usually Notepad++ Nerezza
L759[15:09:19] <Kodos> Or Atom, if I'm
doing multifile work
L760[15:09:39] <Nerezza> Figured for
Notepad++
L761[15:09:49] <Nerezza> I'm not a fan of
the tabs actually
L762[15:09:52] <S3> emacs ftw!
L763[15:10:05] <vifino> Kodos: Nope, :set
ftype=lua is BS, :setf lua
L764[15:10:12] <Kodos> Okay
L765[15:10:14] <Kodos> Thanks again
L766[15:10:15] <vifino> setf gets expanded
to setfiletype
L767[15:10:25] <Kodos> Storming here, so
main PC is off, so I can't just go google it
L768[15:10:43] *
CompanionCube thinks emacs is very very powerful
L769[15:10:56] *
vifino thinks CompanionCube isn't aware how nobody
cares
L770[15:11:04] <Kodos> Now to remember how
to switch between channels in here again
L771[15:11:14] <Nerezza> Very
carefully
L772[15:11:15] <vifino> irssi? alt arrow
keys
L773[15:11:17] <Kodos> weechatg
L774[15:11:21] <Kodos> weechat&
L775[15:11:23] <Kodos> kfjgsadg
L776[15:11:27] <Kodos> WeeChat***
L777[15:11:27] <vifino> weechat should
have the same.
L778[15:11:39] <Kodos> Nope, that just
made my screen black
L779[15:11:43] <g> Lizzy, those certs are
good
L780[15:11:47]
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L781[15:11:49] <Kodos> Oh, that's the
terminalswitch
L782[15:11:55] <lunar_mom> Lost
connection, again.
L783[15:11:57] <Kodos> So I can go between
vim and this
L784[15:12:01] <vifino> Then make it the
long way: /buffer #channel
L785[15:12:01] <g> just note, you don't
need a separate cert for each domain
L786[15:12:08] <g> I think you can have up
to 60 domains per cert or something
L787[15:12:16] <vifino> Does that work,
Kodos?
L788[15:12:16] <Kodos> I thought it was
something to do with brackets
L789[15:12:22] <Kodos> Not sure
L790[15:12:42] <lunar_mom> I was going to
say that OCRANET seems like just the thing I wanted to build, but
in my case it was only server-wide.
L791[15:12:43] <Kodos> It does
L792[15:12:48] <Kodos> But I wanted my
faster way :x
L793[15:12:49] <vifino> lunar_mom: How's
baby sitting on the moon?
L794[15:13:02] <vifino> Sorry, don't
remember the default bindings, Kodos.
L795[15:13:07] <Kodos> Oh
L796[15:13:09] <Kodos> derp
L797[15:13:11] <Kodos> F5/F6
L798[15:13:14] <S3> lunar_mom: ocranet
supports easy routing inside an MC server
L799[15:13:15] <Kodos> I remembered
L800[15:13:18] <vifino> Hooray.
L801[15:13:19] <lunar_mom> Baby doesn't
yet sit on the moon.
L802[15:13:28] <lunar_mom> S3: Ah, I see
:3
L803[15:13:31] <Nerezza> The world needs
more Mighty Pirates OC vids
L804[15:13:32] <S3> lunar_mom: the most
complicated part of ocranet is AAL and PNNI
L805[15:13:33] <Kodos> I have yeti hands
and this thing is so tiny
L806[15:13:35] <vifino> So baby crawling,
then, lunar_mom? :)
L807[15:13:39] <S3> but once I finish
that
L808[15:14:01] <lunar_mom> vifino: No, not
even xD
L809[15:14:17] <Lizzy> g, git.theender.net
and ci.theender.net are using the same configuration as what you
provided, any of my other sites (including the oc forums) are on
Janus which is using some system that works
L810[15:14:18] <vifino> Tiny... Let's not
go there.
L811[15:14:37] <Kodos> vifino, look up
Acer Aspire One, model ZG5
L812[15:14:50] <lunar_mom> S3: I've been
looking for a server that wants its own internet, and help manage
it.
L813[15:14:59] <S3> Let's see here, in ATM
there is NNI and UNI, I am getting rid of that ambiguity
L814[15:15:07] <vifino> Kodos: Oh, wow,
these thingies are cool.
L815[15:15:26] <Kodos> That's what my
Ubuntu computer is
L816[15:15:31] <S3> lunar_mom: yeah
managing it isn't ltoo bad. do you know how PSTN switching
works?
L817[15:15:32] <vifino> 1024 x 600 would
make my eyes bleed tho.
L818[15:15:42] <Kodos> It's not as bad as
I thought it was gonna be
L819[15:15:47] <lunar_mom> S3: Not
quite.
L820[15:15:48] <Kodos> Windows was a
nightmare, visually
L821[15:15:56] <Kodos> But this isn't
bad
L822[15:15:57] <S3> lunar_mom: what is
your networking experience like?
L823[15:16:02] <Kodos> Mostly because I'm
on a cli
L824[15:16:22] <lunar_mom> I've set up
servers with multiple users, and that's about it.
L825[15:16:28] <vifino> Full disclosure: I
have above average eyes.
L826[15:16:39] <Kodos> Full disclosure, I
have the opposite
L827[15:16:50] <Kodos> But I do wear
corrective lenses, so there's that
L828[15:16:50] <vifino> Ouch. :(
L829[15:17:01] <Kodos> And I'm not as bad
as my brother
L830[15:17:06] <Kodos> He wears glasses
AND Contacts
L831[15:17:08] <Kodos> Just to see
L832[15:17:25] <S3> lunar_mom: aha. That's
alright. One notable thing here is that ocranet does not use IP
addressing. It uses ISDN addressing
L833[15:17:35] <vifino> My parents both
need glasses. Computers are bad for your eyes, eh?
L834[15:17:38] <lunar_mom> S3: Ah,
okay.
L835[15:17:52] <yoy> ...
L836[15:17:53] <S3> lunar_mom: it's
actually easier than ip addressing. There's no math involved like
there is with IP
L837[15:17:55] <yoy> .....
L838[15:18:04] <yoy> I'm just going to say
this and leave:
L839[15:18:10] <lunar_mom> S3: That's good
:3
L840[15:18:14] <vifino> BUSH DID
9/11
L841[15:18:21] <vifino> Ninja'd you,
yoy.
L842[15:18:27] <yoy> Nearsightedness and
Farsightedness is based off of the physical construction of your
eye
L843[15:18:28] <yoy> Also
L844[15:18:33] <yoy> !kick vifino Shut the
fuckup
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L846[15:18:40] <vifino> hue
L847[15:18:40] <CompanionCube> ...I was
expecting a technical rant there
L848[15:18:51] <S3> LOL you kicked
vexatos!
L849[15:18:55] <S3> :>
L850[15:18:57] <Kodos> yoy, where are my
display panels :3
L851[15:19:14] <yoy> The only way your
eyes would get murdered by a computer screen in that sense is if
you literally took a computer monitor and anally fucked your
eyesocket with it for three days straight
L852[15:19:29] <vifino> yoy: I am ware.
That was the point of the whole message.
L853[15:19:31] <Kodos> Hokay
L854[15:19:31] <yoy> Kodos: Where the sun
doesn't shine anymore
L855[15:19:37] <vifino> I am aware*
L856[15:19:44] <lunar_mom> Eyesockets do
not have anuses...
L857[15:19:55] <vifino> That's what they
want you to think, lunar_mom.
L858[15:20:02] <S3> that is kinda true,
HOWEVER, yoy forgets that mucles actually hold your irises open
too, and having them focus for long periods of time can develop
muscle bias.
L859[15:20:03] <S3> :)
L860[15:20:04] <vifino> Teach your kid(s)
correctly when they grow up!
L861[15:20:08] <S3> this is true with ALL
muscles
L862[15:20:13] <S3> and bones
L863[15:20:18] <Inari> yoy: thats a fetish
btw
L864[15:20:26] <lunar_mom> Oh god
x.x
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L866[15:20:44] <S3> this is why reading
all day long every day can actually cause your eyesight to degrade
as well
L867[15:20:44] <yoy> S3: That is also
assuming that the conditions that those muscles experience do not
change often
L868[15:20:52] <S3> right
L869[15:21:04] <S3> reading a book*
L870[15:21:15] <yoy> So you would
literally have to be doing the same exact thing for a couple of
days straight with no resting in order to actually fuck
somethingup
L871[15:21:20] <S3> lunar_mom: so take the
following number: 123456789
L872[15:21:36] <S3> and break it up into
whatever sections you want.. try.. let's see
L873[15:21:37] *
Forecaster steals the number and runs away
L874[15:21:43] <S3> 12 345 6789
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L876[15:22:04] <yoy> I pick 1234567
89
L877[15:22:20] <vifino> I pick 123 456
789.
L878[15:22:25] <lunar_mom> Ah, so you just
give someone a phone number.
L879[15:22:29] <yoy> vifino: Get our of
here you normie
L880[15:22:30] <Kodos> I pick 12345
789
L881[15:22:37] <vifino> yoy: I love me my
symetry.
L882[15:22:43] <S3> What we just did is
come up with a global numbering plan, where spaces just represent
our routing boundries to remember easily
L883[15:23:00] <S3> of course, as an ISP
you only have so much control, lunar_mom
L884[15:23:00] <yoy> You spelled
"symetry" wrong. Its symmetry
L885[15:23:01] <Kodos> lunar_mom: an IP is
basically just a phone number
L886[15:23:14] <yoy> symular metrics
L887[15:23:15] <lunar_mom> Yeah
L888[15:23:16] <yoy> hehe
L889[15:23:27] <yoy> DDOS me at
192.168.1.1
L890[15:23:29] <yoy> keke
L891[15:23:36] <lunar_mom> xD
L892[15:23:39] <S3> yoy: ::1
L893[15:23:42] <CompanionCube> yoy,
something from 127.0.0.0/8 works better
L894[15:23:46] <vifino> yoy: I am german.
I do try sometimes.
L895[15:23:53] <yoy> yoy: you
L896[15:24:00] <S3> wat
L897[15:24:05] <yoy> hehe
L898[15:24:11] <Kodos> Also, yoy, you
aren't kicking right. You have to do it with feeling, like so
L899[15:24:19] <Kodos> !kick yoy Man, Shut
the FUUUUCK Up!
L900[15:24:19] <S3> lunar_mom: so how do
you think routing works in ocranet with numbering plans like
these?
L901[15:24:19] *** yoy
was kicked by zsh ((Kodos) Man, Shut the FUUUUCK Up!))
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L903[15:24:25] <vifino> SHOTS FIRED
L904[15:24:29] <vifino> SHOTS FIRED
L905[15:24:29] <yoy> Oh, so thats why it
doesn't work
L906[15:24:31] *
vifino ducks
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L908[15:24:42] <yoy> Also I have autojoin
because #V, sorry
L909[15:24:48] <lunar_mom> S3: I'm not
sure, to be honest.
L910[15:24:55] <TigercatX> I need help
with the mod
L911[15:24:57] <vifino> yoy: WHICH YOU
AREN'T EVEN IN ANY MORE
L912[15:24:59] <yoy> I could turn it off
but I can't find it
L913[15:25:02] <yoy> vifino: Exactly
L914[15:25:09] <S3> well the idea is that
you have a switch with a physical collection of cables or paths to
it
L915[15:25:15] <TigercatX> anyone?
L916[15:25:15] <Kodos> vifino: what was
the thing again to set to lua syntax
L917[15:25:21] <yoy> TigercatX: Ask your
question
L918[15:25:23] <S3> and that number
between the spaces chooses which cable it follows (sorta)
L919[15:25:36] <vifino> Kodos: :syntax on
<enter> :setf lua
L920[15:25:38] <S3> in ocranet that isn't
actually what happens but
L921[15:25:39] <lunar_mom> S3: Ah,
yeah.
L922[15:25:40] <TigercatX> I want to
create a GUI to a operating system, how i can do this?
L923[15:26:01] <CompanionCube> TigercatX,
first of all
L924[15:26:02] <yoy> Put boxes on the
screen? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L925[15:26:11] <CompanionCube> what for
which operating system?
L926[15:26:17] <S3> ocranet uses an ISDN
number, and the switches align two things for you, a VCI and a
VPI.
L927[15:26:32] <CompanionCube>
OpenOS?
L928[15:26:41] <TigercatX> to a lua
operating system for computercraft, yes OPENOS
L929[15:26:59] <yoy> hue, the sarcasm is
stronk
L930[15:27:12] <CompanionCube> TigercatX,
there are alternative operating systems
L931[15:27:19] <S3> lunar_mom: in ocranet
the VPI is pretty much the "physical" path it takes, and
the VCI is the "channel" so that more than one connection
can happen on the same path (neat eh?)
L932[15:27:20] <TigercatX> yes.....?
L933[15:27:31] <CompanionCube> right
L934[15:27:32] <lunar_mom> S3: Yes
:3
L935[15:27:39] <TigercatX> how i can to
this things? I want to create my own OS
L936[15:27:51] <TigercatX> do*
L937[15:28:06] <Kodos> TigercatX: This is
the OpenComputers channel. If you're working with ComputerCraft,
you might want to check their channel.
L938[15:28:31] <S3> Yep. and finally when
a switch takes ATM talks to an STM transfer node, it takes all of
the VCI channels and mashes them together. This is how OCRANET
switches talk to each-other.
L939[15:28:37] <TigercatX> Oh sorry, i'm
new here i don't know the site :(
L940[15:28:51] <S3> and the packets are
like 8KB in size
L941[15:28:58] <S3> or more
L942[15:29:01] <lunar_mom> Ah
L943[15:29:05] <S3> yeah.
L944[15:29:10] <Kodos> That's fine =)
Let's start with what mod you're using. Does the mod file say
OpenComputers or ComputerCraft, TigercatX
L945[15:29:12] <S3> but your packet is
only 48 bytes
L946[15:29:47] <lunar_mom> So, what do I
need to set up OCRANET?
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L948[15:30:25] <LordFokas> typical
L949[15:30:39] <S3> by using jumbo frames
we can transfer MASSIVE ammounts of bandwidth by aggregating
multiple connections into one, and that is how Ocranet works. So,
this summer, I will be releasing the first set of switches for
ocranet. you will have a few choices. There will be a Lua
switchprogram for OpenOS, it will use your network and / or
internet card.
L950[15:30:41] <Kodos> Was probably
embarassed
L951[15:30:57] <Nerezza> Yeah
L952[15:30:58] <S3> the second will be a
perl switch for actual servers for running inter server
switching
L953[15:31:16] <lunar_mom> Okay, so just
software?
L954[15:31:21] <S3> and the third will be
my baby: a Erlang running thousands of actor ipv6 enabled
connections for OCRANET trunking
L955[15:31:21] <S3> yep
L956[15:31:33] <lunar_mom> :D
L957[15:31:42] <lunar_mom> I'm looking
forward to that, then.
L958[15:31:42] <S3> the erlang one is what
I will run and runs on top of Xen
L959[15:32:03] *
CompanionCube should make a prototype of the name resolution
server
L960[15:32:07] <S3> which is a VM
hypervisor, I will be running a self ballooning switch that can run
up to hundreds of thousands of erlang VMs per seccond
L961[15:32:18] <lunar_mom> Going to build
some servers and stuff to connect to.
L962[15:32:27] <S3> ah, and CompanionCube
has an amazing little protocol independent DNS
L963[15:32:33] <CompanionCube>
'amazing'
L964[15:32:42] <S3> Well I looked at it a
few times
L965[15:32:55] <lunar_mom> This computer
I'm on has an Internet card and wireless.
L966[15:33:00] <CompanionCube> at some
point I should write it in some form that isn't on a
piratepad
L967[15:33:17] <S3> lunar_mom: the
internet card will be for connecting to outside switches of
course
L968[15:33:24] <lunar_mom> Yes.
L969[15:33:46] <lunar_mom> And then I'll
have servers for other computers on the same server to connect
to.
L970[15:34:38] <S3> I do recommend
connecting to the main ocranet hub so that you can help expand it.
There is nothing stopping you from running a private one
though
L971[15:35:01] <lunar_mom> Yeah
L972[15:35:20] <lunar_mom> 'Cause I do
kinda want to work on a smaller network first.
L973[15:35:28] <S3> you'll need to come up
with a numbering plan either way. For example. I will be running a
Tier 1, and I have decided that us Tier 1s will reserve two digits
for tier one switching
L974[15:35:36] <S3> so there can be 100
tier ones.. basically
L975[15:35:45] <lunar_mom> Yes
L976[15:35:51] <S3> and I will be giving 3
digit assignments to tier twos
L977[15:36:00] <S3> with that you can
decide how many digits to use after that
L978[15:36:12] <S3> I have no control over
the breakdown after it leaves my network
L979[15:37:04] <Skye> S3, while that'll
work in the long run, I bet there'll be a lot of people who try to
be Tier 1 early on (then they'll give up and it won't be a
problem)
L980[15:37:42] <lunar_mom> I've also been
looking into setting up physical phone lines on the server.
L981[15:37:56] <S3> we have a few
candidates, but all tier 1s need to be reliable and responsible
because of the address space.
L982[15:38:19] <S3> vifino will most 99%
definately be running a switch
L983[15:38:39] <Kodos> S3, so does this
mean someone could theoretically run a MC Server for the sole
purpose of collecting data over the Ocranet and storing it on
raids?
L984[15:38:50] <payonel> o/
L985[15:38:52] <lunar_mom> Immersive
Engineering has an addon that lets you make redstone lines, with
multiple channels.
L986[15:39:25] <S3> Kodos: yeah, cept you
won't be able to intercept traffic very easily..
L987[15:39:32] <Skye> Kodos, you don't
even need an MC server if I understand what S3 is sayingt
L988[15:39:48] <lunar_mom> So I'd like to
build something that is kinda basic at first.
L989[15:40:01] <S3> lunar_mom: yes. I use
immersive engineering for its telephone poles and do that with AE
and OC cables too on poles
L990[15:40:25] <lunar_mom> OC cables on
poles?
L991[15:40:31] <lunar_mom> How does that
work?
L992[15:40:35] <S3> yeah I think it's part
of immersive integration I forget
L993[15:40:48] <S3> it's a telephone pole
cable that carries OC component data
L994[15:40:52] <lunar_mom> So, I could run
a cable across the connectors?
L995[15:40:53] <Kodos> I had an idea for a
'data center' that was basically servers in a data center, and
running OC lines to people's houses with a screen and keyboard,
maybe diskdrive, too
L996[15:40:54] <S3> can be used for OC lan
cards
L997[15:40:57] <S3> yep
L998[15:41:05] <Kodos> lunar_mom: it's
part of Zetta Industries
L999[15:41:07] <Kodos> Not II
L1000[15:41:12] <S3> it's like running
aerial fiber lunar_mom :D
L1001[15:41:14] <S3> cool eh?
L1002[15:41:18] <lunar_mom> Ah
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L1004[15:41:37] <lunar_mom> Wait, so
there's another mod I need?
L1005[15:41:44] <S3> <•Kodos> I had
an idea for a 'data center' that was basically servers in a data
center.
L1006[15:41:45] <Kodos> If I had a web
browser to use, I'd link you
L1007[15:41:47] <Kodos> Yes
L1008[15:41:51] <S3> XD
L1009[15:42:02] <lunar_mom> Just search
for Zetta Industries?
L1010[15:42:09] <Kodos> S3, I haven't had
anything to eat or drink yet today except a piece of candy
L1011[15:42:20] <Kodos> Yes,or have
someone link you a build
L1012[15:42:20] <S3> zetta industries is
the other addon yeah
L1013[15:42:24] <S3> I forget which has
OC cabling
L1014[15:42:32] <Kodos> ZI has the
Telecommunications wire
L1015[15:42:36] <Sandra> p sure it's
zetta.
L1016[15:43:41] <S3> I use both
L1017[15:43:47] <S3> because both are
required to have a good server (TM)
L1018[15:43:53] <Kodos> Okay, so I ended
up deciding on a range of 1-20, 3 numbers total, for my lotto
L1019[15:43:58] <lunar_mom> I found
it
L1020[15:44:22] <Kodos> Going to be
printing tickets with OpenPrinter
L1021[15:44:33] <lunar_mom> I'll install
it and check it out, bbl
L1022[15:44:42] <S3> The way the ocranet
will be born will likely be just an external switch first
L1023[15:44:42] <Skye> I wish I had a
server, so I could experiment with cool things
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L1025[15:44:50] <S3> and then building an
OC machine into a switch
L1026[15:45:08] <S3> we got dedicated
servers
L1027[15:45:14] <S3> OVH is great
L1028[15:46:23] <payonel> ovh?
L1029[15:46:44] <CompanionCube> Skye, are
you OK with openvz
L1030[15:46:48] <S3> company that rents
out dedicated servers
L1031[15:46:57] <Skye> CompanionCube,
isn't that a share Linux kernel?
L1032[15:46:58] <S3> Hey uh, something
just crossed my mind guys
L1033[15:47:09] <CompanionCube> Skye, yes
but decent hosts enable tuntap
L1034[15:47:12] <S3> would you guys be
interested if I made my OCRANET switcha docker container?
L1035[15:47:18] <S3> for download at
dockerhub
L1036[15:47:33] <CompanionCube> if it's
just a perl script
L1037[15:47:39] <CompanionCube> would be
there be any point in it
L1038[15:47:42] <S3> CompanionCube: a bit
more
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L1040[15:47:50] <CompanionCube> Skye,
https://www.time4vps.eu/pricing/
L1041[15:47:51] <S3> the perl script is
more of a .. get it working
L1042[15:47:57] <CompanionCube> shit's
cheap yo if you can stand ovz
L1043[15:48:10] <Skye> depends on how
small the perl script is
L1044[15:48:17] <Skye>
s/small/portable
L1045[15:48:18] <MichiBot> <Skye>
depends on how portable the perl script is
L1046[15:48:26] <S3> CompanionCube: they
make dockers with just cowsay..
L1047[15:49:01] <Kodos> %weather
62012
L1048[15:49:03] <MichiBot> Kodos: Current
weather for 62012 Current Temp: 59°F/15°C Feels Like: 59°F/15°C
Current Humidity: 100 Wind: From the NW 0 Mph/0 Km/h Conditions:
Overcast
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L1050[15:49:26] <payonel> %weather
90210
L1051[15:49:27] <MichiBot> payonel:
Current weather for 90210 Current Temp: 67°F/19°C Feels Like:
67°F/19°C Current Humidity: 52 Wind: From the SW 11 Mph/17 Km/h
Conditions: Partly Cloudy
L1052[15:49:46] <S3> %weather KBHB
L1053[15:49:53] <S3> wow fail.
L1054[15:49:57] <S3> %weather bhb
L1055[15:49:59] <MichiBot> S3: Current
weather for bhb, Hancock County-Bar Harbor Airport, United States
of America Current Temp: 34°F/1°C Feels Like: 28°F/-2°C Current
Humidity: 86 Wind: From the NNE 7 Mph/11 Km/h Conditions: Unknown
Precipitation
L1056[15:50:03] <S3> HA!
L1057[15:50:13] <S3> it does support
airport runway codes
L1058[15:50:48] <Skye> CompanionCube,
badwidth limits?
L1059[15:51:02] <S3> Skye: OVH is
unmetered! :D
L1060[15:51:10] <S3> we got gbit
L1061[15:51:11] <CompanionCube> Skye, my
'S' plan has a 1TB limit
L1062[15:51:21] <Skye> how likely are you
to reach it?
L1063[15:51:27] <CompanionCube> which
should be difficult to reach because you only have 40 gig
disk
L1064[15:51:31] <S3> 1 TB is a lot
L1065[15:52:11] <CompanionCube> Skye, you
can have a poke around my server. I should really get it do
actually do something
L1066[15:52:16] <CompanionCube>
unfortunately no docker :(
L1067[15:52:28] <Skye> I don't care much
about docker
L1068[15:52:47] <S3> docker is
nifty
L1069[15:53:02] <payonel> i don't care
for docker myself
L1070[15:54:04] <CompanionCube> I like
docker, but not having it isn't much of a deal unless you want to
install discourse
L1071[15:55:14] <Kodos> I don't know what
git stash does, but I had to do it so I could pull my current
remote repo stuffs
L1072[15:55:27] <Kodos> Annnd I was
scrolled up
L1073[15:55:34] <S3> weird phone
call
L1074[15:55:46] <payonel> Kodos: welcome
back
L1075[15:55:51] <payonel> to the bottom
of the pit
L1076[15:55:55] <S3> aunt called and
went, which minecraft game do you play again and how much is
it?
L1077[15:55:57] <S3> randomly
L1078[15:56:06] <Kodos> I'm hardly back,
still on my ubuntu 'box'
L1079[15:56:11] <Kodos> Stupid
storm
L1080[15:56:16] <Skye> S3, direct them to
minecraft.net
L1081[15:56:21] <Kodos> At least I have
internet, I guess
L1082[15:56:22] <S3> I did
L1083[15:56:55] <S3> compiling
erlang..
L1084[15:57:10] <Kodos> S3 you'll
probably have cousins to deal with in here soon enough
L1085[15:57:30] <Skye> S3, erlang is both
cool and confusing
L1086[15:57:33] <S3> right that's what I
figured it was about
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L1088[15:57:52] <lunar_mom> Okay, I've
got telecom cables now.
L1089[15:57:53] <Skye> S3, what are you
planning to do?
L1090[15:57:54] <S3> Skye: yeah but for
my high bandwidth ocranet switch I'm using erlangonxen
L1091[15:58:11] <lunar_mom> This will be
interesting.
L1092[15:58:37] <S3> Skye: imagine.
suddenly 50,000 ocranet connectins go through and 50,000 Xen VMs
running erlang with ipv6 addresses just instantly spawn in less
than 10ms
L1093[15:58:40] <S3> :)
L1094[15:58:46] <S3> erlangonxen is
amazing
L1095[15:59:00] <Skye> so ocranet in
Erlang? heh, IIRC, that's what it's for
L1096[15:59:15] <S3> then you use erlangs
actor model for doing the switching
L1097[15:59:16] <S3> hehe
L1098[15:59:27] <S3> exactly
L1099[15:59:36] <S3> so itl be great for
tier 1 switches
L1100[15:59:41] <Skye> I wonder if you're
overenginerring this?
L1101[15:59:49] <S3> I am
L1102[15:59:58] <S3> but remember I am an
engineering major
L1103[16:00:06] <Skye> huh?
L1104[16:00:06] <S3> so overengineering
is better than underengineering
L1105[16:00:10] <Skye> hah
L1106[16:00:11] <S3> lol
L1107[16:00:16] <Kodos> Thoughts on 1.9
guys?
L1108[16:00:44] <S3> Skye: the protocol
os so dirt cimple. the packet header is one of the smallest in the
world, even smaller than ATM
L1109[16:00:51] <S3> it's only 4
bytesw
L1110[16:00:54] <payonel> Kodos: i
honestly do NOT like the swing mechanics
L1111[16:00:56] <Skye> why?
L1112[16:01:02] <S3> it's all you
need
L1113[16:01:18] <Kodos> You mean how you
have to actually fight properly now and can't just
lolspamswing
L1114[16:01:20] <Skye> S3, is there I
specification I can read?
L1115[16:01:22] <payonel> Kodos: in 1.9,
if you swing a sword and miss, or swing too fast, you take a
minging-fatigue-like penalty
L1116[16:01:30] <payonel> yep, irks
me
L1117[16:01:33] <S3> it carries a flag
field, a reserved meta byte and a VPI and a VCI
L1118[16:01:37] <payonel> and also the
pickaxe penalty
L1119[16:01:40] <payonel> that bothers me
more
L1120[16:01:41] <S3> Skye: Written.. but
I need to type it
L1121[16:01:47] <Skye> ...
L1122[16:01:48] <S3> I will sometime this
wek
L1123[16:01:49] <payonel> i dont mind the
"but this is real gaming" fighting change
L1124[16:01:51] <Kodos> You can also
block with a shield during that penalty
L1125[16:01:55] <Kodos> So, you know,
it's like actual combat
L1126[16:02:04] <S3> Skye: it's not on
paper
L1127[16:02:05] <Kodos> What's the
pickaxe pentaltyy
L1128[16:02:08] <Kodos> penalty*
L1129[16:02:09] <S3> it's written on
chaulk board XD
L1130[16:02:14] <Skye> S3, oh god
L1131[16:02:17] <S3> a massive one and on
my pictures somewhere
L1132[16:02:19] <S3> yeah....
L1133[16:02:26] <payonel> you take a
swing-speed penalty if you swing at the air, or swing again after a
block breaks
L1134[16:02:27] <Skye> S3, what does the
actual packet header contain?
L1135[16:02:27] <S3> i got tired after
that and never wrote it up
L1136[16:02:28] <payonel> or some
such
L1137[16:02:48] <payonel> either way,
makes me grumpy
L1138[16:03:03] <S3> Skye: a flags field,
a VPI, and a VCI, and there is one last byte which is reserved I am
looking to find a place for but right now is for word
alignment
L1139[16:03:11] <S3> each a byte
L1140[16:03:36] <Skye> what do the
acronyms mean
L1141[16:04:09] <lunar_mom> I kinda don't
like that you can't parry with swords anymore.
L1142[16:04:16] <S3> I might expand into
the reserved field but using non 2^n numbers for the vpi and vci
can slow it down. Haven't decided yet. VPI means Virtual Path
Identifier, and VCI means Virtual Channel Identifier
L1143[16:04:48] <S3> Skye: when you make
a connection, your closest switch gives you a VPI and VCI to
connect to to reach that destination
L1144[16:04:58] <S3> the VPI is pretty
much the physical port on the switch
L1145[16:05:03] <S3> and the VCI is the
channel of that port
L1146[16:05:06] <S3> sorta
L1147[16:05:18] <S3> (it depends on the
software)
L1148[16:05:38] <Kodos> I've been playing
a 1.9 mcmmo server (no mods) for a week or so
L1149[16:05:45] <Kodos> I have got to
say, 1.9 with MCMMO is wicked fun
L1150[16:06:14] <S3> Skye: my erlangonxen
will be handling STM-like trunking so there will actually be a LOT
more than 256 * 256 connections max
L1151[16:06:32] <S3> much, much
more
L1152[16:07:23] <S3> So basically on
ocranet pakcets, every packet doesn't carry the end address, it
just contains the next hop info
L1153[16:07:53] <lunar_mom> mcmmo is fun,
yeah :o
L1154[16:07:54] <Skye> hm
L1155[16:08:17] <Skye> S3, so you
technically have infinite ranges?
L1156[16:08:23] <Skye> wait no
L1157[16:08:31] <Skye> well, that system
doesn't limit it
L1158[16:08:47] <Skye> gah
L1159[16:09:47] <Kodos> I have a power 5
infinity mending bow :3
L1160[16:10:05] <Skye> S3, what limits
the number of nodes on your system?
L1161[16:10:11] <Kodos> I really hope 1.9
makes it to the console versions, soon too
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L1164[16:18:33] <CompanionCube> Skye, S3:
would using something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_Buffers
be over-engineering
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L1174[16:29:25] <Kodos> I'm still annoyed
I can't start a new repo locally, I have to do it from teh
website
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L1176[16:31:58] <CompanionCube> Kodos, on
github?
L1177[16:31:59] <CompanionCube> you can
install a command-line tool iirc.
L1178[16:32:19] <Kodos> I have git, or is
there something else
L1179[16:32:19] <g> yeah, and the github
api is easy anyway, no reason you couldn't write a little
tool
L1180[16:32:29] <g> You can certainly
create a git repo locally
L1181[16:32:39] <g> but you'd need a tool
to create a repo online via the commandline
L1182[16:32:53] <CompanionCube> I
personally don't use it, but https://github.com/github/hub might be of use
L1183[16:32:59] <g> it's just `git init`
in an empty dir if you want to make a new repo
L1184[16:33:01] <Kodos> Can't click
links
L1185[16:33:20] <Kodos> Plus I'mnot
evensure which browser I was using on this cli thing
L1186[16:33:34] <g> would be some form of
links/lynx/elinks probably
L1187[16:33:39] <g> berb
L1188[16:33:53] <CompanionCube> git init
-g OPTIONS
L1189[16:33:53] <CompanionCube> Create a
git repository as with git-init(1) and add remote origin at
"git@github.com:USER/REPOSITORY.git"; USER is your GitHub
username and REPOSITORY is the current working directory's
basename.
L1190[16:33:54] <Kodos> It was elinks,
thanks
L1191[16:33:58] <CompanionCube> from
https://hub.github.com/hub.1.html
L1192[16:34:38] <CompanionCube> oh,
wait
L1193[16:34:42] <CompanionCube> found a
more-accurate one
L1194[16:34:59] <CompanionCube> it create
[NAME] [-p] [-d DESCRIPTION] [-h HOMEPAGE]
L1195[16:34:59] <CompanionCube> Create a
new public GitHub repository from the current git repository and
add remote origin at
"git@github.com:USER/REPOSITORY.git";
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L1201[16:46:56] <S3> Skye: yes, the
metric is infinite.
L1202[16:47:05] <S3> however, the
addressing scheme limits you
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L1204[16:47:44] <Skye> S3, what are the
limits?
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L1206[16:48:16] <S3> Skye: Numbering plan
within the ISDN range
L1207[16:48:28] <S3> you probably won't
see more than tier 5
L1208[16:48:39] <S3> Don't need it
though
L1209[16:48:48] <S3> and you can do fixed
switching too
L1210[16:48:54] <S3> which is
limitless
L1211[16:49:42] <Skye> So a node can only
talk to 255*255 nodes at a time?
L1212[16:49:46] <Izaya> Huh, they're
using Signal now, not Facebook in Egypt
L1213[16:50:00] <lunar_mom> Signal?
L1214[16:51:49] <CompanionCube> Skye, so
around 65k nodes
L1215[16:52:15] <Izaya> Encrypted
messaging app
L1216[16:52:38] <Izaya> the govt. there
is watching facebook so
L1217[16:52:45] <CompanionCube> quick,
pull a bill and say '64K nodes should be enough for anybody'
L1218[16:53:24] <Skye> If you use 64k,
you need to fix something.
L1219[16:53:44] <CompanionCube>
also
L1220[16:54:12] <Skye> Either use the
protocol directly as a switch, or use less channels.
L1221[16:54:34] <CompanionCube> if you
evenly distributed 255^2 nodes over all 100 potential Tier 1
providers, you'd get 650 nodes per provider.
L1222[16:55:39] <Skye> CompanionCube: but
those things are only for the next hop.
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L1225[16:59:08] <S3> Whee I am back
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L1227[16:59:19] <K4kn0K> Hey guys
L1228[16:59:24] <CompanionCube> hi
L1229[16:59:27] <S3> CompanionCube: and
yes protocol buffers is way overkill
L1230[16:59:36] <S3> the header is
frigging 32 bits
L1231[16:59:45] <S3> just look at the
bits, forward it away
L1232[16:59:51] <K4kn0K> Is this the
opencomputer channel *?*
L1233[16:59:53] <S3> (after modifying
them)
L1234[16:59:58] <S3> Yes
L1235[17:00:00] <Lizzy> K4kn0K, yep
L1236[17:00:07] <CompanionCube> actually,
since I actually looked at msgpack http://msgpack.org/index.html
L1237[17:00:09] <CompanionCube> so many
impls
L1238[17:00:11] <K4kn0K> oh thats good
:)
L1239[17:00:27] <S3> CompanionCube: I saw
that the other day
L1240[17:00:36] <S3> but again too much
overhead
L1241[17:00:46] <S3> the idea here is to
shove as much data in an 8KB packet as possible
L1242[17:00:49] <S3> with ocranet
L1243[17:02:16] <S3> the smaller the
header, the faster it is
L1244[17:02:38] <CompanionCube> I mean,
for my own stuffs
L1245[17:02:46] <S3> yeah, this is binary
data
L1246[17:02:48] <S3> not JSON lol
L1247[17:03:26] <S3> and not msgpack
either
L1248[17:03:29] <K4kn0K> maybe someone
can help me. I try to connect two pc´s with a linked card. One of
them must send a io.Read to the other one. But i´m to stupid for
that :/
L1249[17:03:38] <S3> CompanionCube: Take
a look at sereal
L1250[17:04:04] <S3> K4kn0K: what's up
now?
L1251[17:04:46] <CompanionCube> S3,
ideally whatever formats in use would have an actual lua
implementation
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L1253[17:05:29] <S3> handling binary data
in Lua isn't so bad
L1254[17:05:30] <K4kn0K> i try it with
component.send("hallo") but i don´t now what is the line
to receive that message
L1255[17:05:41] <S3> but the higher level
stuff will probably be table transfers or something
L1256[17:05:54] <CompanionCube> it'd be
kinda pointless to have a server that no OC computer can deal with
because there's no support for the damn serialization format
L1257[17:06:02] <K4kn0K> *know
L1258[17:06:28] <S3> CompanionCube:
?
L1259[17:06:41] <CompanionCube> S3, are
we talking about the same things
L1260[17:08:24] <S3> I have no idea
L1261[17:08:29] <S3> I am talking aboiut
Ocranet cells
L1262[17:08:39] <S3> which are
binary
L1263[17:08:45] <CompanionCube> I was
talking about something *using* OCRANET
L1264[17:09:00] <S3> oh, then you're in a
higher layer
L1265[17:09:04] <S3> so you can just send
whatever
L1266[17:10:19] <S3> the 48 remaining
bytes are used for the data, and AAL will handle
fragmentation
L1267[17:11:36] <S3> every ocranet cell
will be exactly the same size (52 bytes)
L1268[17:11:51] <S3> this is to prevent
jitter
L1269[17:12:06] <S3> which is the
noticable feature of "lag"
L1270[17:12:14] <S3> most
noticable*
L1271[17:12:20] <S3> usually.. at
least
L1272[17:12:26] <lunar_mom> I've set up a
T3 server.
L1273[17:13:10] <S3> T3?
L1274[17:14:10] <CompanionCube>
presumably OC T3
L1275[17:15:00] <S3> who's gonna be
T2?
L1276[17:16:02] <CompanionCube> I
mean
L1277[17:16:10] <CompanionCube> as in the
component tier T3
L1278[17:16:28] *
vifino picks up Lizzy and carries her to bed
L1279[17:16:32] <lunar_mom> Yes
L1280[17:16:49] <lunar_mom> Going to need
a lot of T3 components for it as well
L1281[17:18:03] <Michiyo> K4kn0K, you'll
have to do event.pull("eventname") to get the data off
the linked card, I don't recall the link card's event name off
hand, but there is a program to show all received events iirc it's
dmesg
L1282[17:18:49] <Michiyo> so run dmesg on
your receiver and then run your send code on your other computer
and you should see your event
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i can receive all the datas
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L1326[20:26:47] <S3> O M G
L1327[20:26:52] <S3> The Mojo FPGA
supports Lucid now!
L1328[20:27:02] <S3> Lucid is an almost C
like HDL
L1329[20:27:27] <S3> you can create
finite state machines with it easily and do switch statements and
things in ways verilog just can't :D
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L1331[20:43:04] <Saphire> flop
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L1336[21:45:56] <Kodos> %tell Mimiru
http://puu.sh/oxaCY/20085a427b.png
L1337[21:45:56] <MichiBot> Kodos: Mimiru
will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L1340[21:56:58] <payonel> Kodos: what
idea is it that you have for oc?
L1341[21:57:06] <payonel> the server rack
selector?
L1342[21:57:10] <Kodos> payonel,
#1770
L1343[21:57:36] <Kodos> It'd just be
toggle switches whose states can be read by a computer program, but
are flipped manually with a right click
L1344[21:58:04] <Kodos> One example is
for reactors, you could have a switch to manually control it,
regardless of what your program is set to do
L1345[22:00:12] <snowden89> isn't that a
thing already with redstone levers/
L1346[22:01:08] <snowden89> redstone
lever is on true or false. controlled by right click signal
detected by redstone card?
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L1349[22:13:16] <Kodos> erm
L1350[22:13:16] <Kodos> wat
L1351[22:15:55] <Temia> What?
L1352[22:16:23] <Temia> ~w redstone
L1353[22:16:23] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:redstone
L1354[22:16:53] <Temia> Might have to
poll, though.
L1355[22:17:41] <Temia> Which may mean
using a system with a process manager if using disparate
scripts.
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L1358[22:41:10] <Mimiru> Kodos, \o/
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